House Impeachment Hearing 2: Rise of the Sycophants

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Ambassador William Taylor and Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent testify on Impeach Inquiry before House Intelligence Cmte – LIVE on C-SPAN3, C-SPAN Radio & online here: cs.pn

UPDATE at 11/13/19 11:35:13 am by Charles Johnson

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:43:53am

Ten seconds in and Nunes has hit my max annoyance level.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:44:45am

I hit the “Mute” on the audio. I will stick to the closed captions.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:44:49am

Nunes is just repeating his freaking opening statement.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:45:28am
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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:45:46am

re: #3 teleskiguy

Nunes is just repeating his freaking opening statement.

A reminder that they have nothing

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:46:06am

re: #4 teleskiguy

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Well we know who Trump is going to be rage tweeting at.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:46:32am

Didn’t this asshole already make an opening statement?

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:46:57am

Didn’t cow boy already give an opening statement? I thought this was the time to ask questions and not merely run his mouth.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:47:17am

Schiff immediately rolled into questions to Taylor about the new bombshell in his testimony.

Nunes simply goes down the GOP talking points.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:48:04am

So he is going to run his time out with bullshit and not even ask any questions.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:48:27am

HILLARY CLINTON! DRINK!!!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:49:33am

re: #1 makeitstop

Ten seconds in and Nunes has hit my max annoyance level.

Will skip Republican questioning of witnesses. Blood pressure demands it be so.

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jeffreyw  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:49:33am

Nunes is trying to make it all about the “transcript” but that is not the only evidence. He is putting words into the witnesses’ mouths, saying that they said that X didn’t happen, when all they said was they didn’t know that it did.
muted

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:49:47am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:50:47am

re: #10 The Pie Overlord!

So he is going to run his time out with bullshit and not even ask any questions.

He’s never done a criminal case or any sort of litigation and it shows.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:51:54am
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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:52:52am

PRESIDENT OBAMA! DRINK!!!

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:53:22am

I’m not drinking, of course. Tomorrow for me will be six weeks sober.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:53:29am

re: #13 jeffreyw

Nunes is trying to make it all about the “transcript” but that is not the only evidence. He is putting words into the witnesses’ mouths, saying that they said that X didn’t happen, when all they said was they didn’t know that it did.
muted

RELIEF THE TRANSCRIPTS! RELEAFE THE TRANSCRIPTS!!!

“The heavily edited ‘transcript’ was released.”

DEBUNKED! DOSSIER DEBUNKED!

“That’s something else.”

COUP!!!! COUP!!!!

“Do you have any questions, Congressman”

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:53:29am

OMG—is cow boy going to do the whole 45 minutes of clown questioning? Don’t think I can take it.

Edit—I see he’s passed the scepter to another moron.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:53:35am
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:53:39am

I hired a hitman to whack my wife and the FBI has it on tape, but I called it off at the last second, so therefore there is no crime.

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nowherenorth2  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:53:44am

re: #18 teleskiguy

Congrats!

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:54:09am

re: #16 lawhawk

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The eye being to create deceptive edits later removing the “You testified you weren’t aware.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:54:32am
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Broad With Sass  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:54:41am

re: #18 teleskiguy

I’m not drinking, of course. Tomorrow for me will be six weeks sober.

keep going..the trudge sucks but the journey is worth it

10/3/90

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:55:21am
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:55:53am
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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:56:56am

John Ratcliffe ratfucking the hearing. What a shitshow.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:57:16am

Republicans concerned that bullshit won’t fly.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:57:24am

re: #18 teleskiguy

I’m not drinking, of course. Tomorrow for me will be six weeks sober.

Excellent job my man. Proud of you.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:57:50am

re: #26 Broad With Sass

keep going..the trudge sucks but the journey is worth it

10/3/90

I’m 10/3/2019! Heh!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:57:58am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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The fucked up thing is many of them said the same things about Trump before he was their nominee and before he won. There are very few true believers in Camp Trump. Plenty more opportunistic hacks.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:58:04am
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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:58:15am

Mr. Chairman, are you saying we can’t lie to the witness as we ask him questions, Because I’m going to object to every damn thing now.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:58:25am

So let me understand…the GOP is taking the position that it was cool for Trump to withhold aid because the Ukrainians were allegedly “out to get him”? Which, of course, pivots to “Hey, Ukraine, if you want to get back into my personal good graces, here’s what you need to do…”

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:59:32am
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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:59:54am

Is it my innate political bias, or is this GOP counsel not making a fucking ounce of sense?

Taylor is looking at him like WTF???

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:00:16am

They aren’t even trying to address the substance. It’s just innuendo, conspiracy theory, etc. etc.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:00:51am

re: #37 jaunte

So basically: “It was cool because it was revenge for something.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:01:05am

re: #39 Mike Lamb

They aren’t even trying to address the substance. It’s just innuendo, conspiracy theory, etc. etc.

they know what plays in Poughkeepsie

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:01:08am

re: #38 makeitstop

Is it my innate political bias, or is this GOP counsel not making a fucking ounce of sense?

Taylor is looking at him like WTF???

This fucker is slimier than a used car salesman.

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EPR-radar  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:01:46am

re: #39 Mike Lamb

They aren’t even trying to address the substance. It’s just innuendo, conspiracy theory, etc. etc.

The GOP base and the GOP president both prefer conspiracy theories to reality.

The GOP establishment acts accordingly.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:02:19am

Castor: How does NSC work?

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:02:30am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:02:57am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they know what plays in Poughkeepsie

Well Poughkeepsie didn’t have any elections this time but Delaware County did and they ain’t having this shit. There’s only so many people who will buy this bs.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:03:01am

Where in the holy fuck did they find this asshole?

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:03:15am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:03:51am

re: #47 Targetpractice

Where in the holy fuck did they find this asshole?

The best people

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:04:07am
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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:04:55am

re: #47 Targetpractice

Where in the holy fuck did they find this asshole?

The Law Office of Lionel Hutz.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:05:08am
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:06:14am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:06:34am
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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:06:38am
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stpaulbear  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:06:42am

re: #18 teleskiguy

I’m not drinking, of course. Tomorrow for me will be six weeks sober.

Good for you! I had my 35th anniversary last week. It’s definitely a huge path change but so worth it. I remember where that old path was leading me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:07:10am

re: #56 stpaulbear

Good for you! I had my 35th anniversary last week. It’s definitely a huge path change but so worth it. I remember where that old path was leading me.

Congrats to both of you.

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plansbandc  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:07:50am
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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:07:57am

re: #47 Targetpractice

Where in the holy fuck did they find this asshole?

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:08:06am

I went to spy on Limbaugh, so I tuned into the AM station here in Houston. It was the top of the hour and the local hack that does the news updates led into the impeachment hearings with “Grab onto the handrails from all the suspense. Taylor’s testimony was as exciting as watching grass grow.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:08:09am

re: #51 teleskiguy

The Law Office of Lionel Hutz.

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The best law talking guys.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:08:47am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

The best law talking guys.

They’ll be moving for a bad court thingy any moment now.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:08:52am

re: #60 Ace Rothstein

Trying to hide everything is all they’ve got left.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:09:28am

re: #60 Ace Rothstein

I went to spy on Limbaugh, so I tuned into the AM station here in Houston. It was the top of the hour and the local hack that does the news updates led into the impeachment hearings with “Grab onto the handrails from all the suspense. Taylor’s testimony was as exciting as watching grass grow.”

Limbaugh’s desperate.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:10:42am
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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:10:57am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:11:25am

re: #62 teleskiguy

They’ll be moving for a bad court thingy any moment now.

Or surprise witnesses each more surprising than the last.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:12:56am

The “boring” talking point is nuts. Apparently, if there isn’t a Colosseum with Taylor and Kent fighting tigers, while answering questions from the Committee, the impeachment process is not credible.

Although I’m sure it’s being sent out with the hopes that it dissuades people from actually watching.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:13:29am

re: #55 teleskiguy

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Stetler: Reporters know that Nunes is throwing B.S. against the wall, hoping to make it stick. Will their end-of-the-day news stories and segments reflect that?

Gee, I don’t know, Brian—

“I also think, episode one so to speak, matters a lot, and I hate to say that because we’re talking about basic democracy at risk here. But from a television perspective, Democrats have to come out strong in that first episode,” Stelter said Sunday on CNN. “For the same reason when we’re watching Netflix or listening to a new podcast, we only choose to keep listening if we’re interested in episode one.”

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ntsb.gov

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:14:03am

re: #68 Mike Lamb

The “boring” talking point is nuts. Apparently, if there isn’t a Colosseum with Taylor and Kent fighting tigers, while answering questions from the Committee, the impeachment process is not credible.

Although I’m sure it’s being sent out with the hopes that it dissuades people from actually watching.

Impeachment by Combat!

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:14:28am

Castor is basically shitting all over the adage that a good lawyer doesn’t ask questions to which he does not know the answer.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:14:32am

This Hunter Biden line of questioning is really, really stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:14:52am

re: #68 Mike Lamb

The “boring” talking point is nuts. Apparently, if there isn’t a Colosseum with Taylor and Kent fighting tigers, while answering questions from the Committee, the impeachment process is not credible.

Although I’m sure it’s being sent out with the hopes that it dissuades people from actually watching.

All I can say as a guy who helps the law talking guys is most cases aren’t “exciting.” There isn’t going to be a criminal procedural moment where Trump is cleared or convicted. The facts will be what damns Trump.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:15:18am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:15:20am

Why would either Kent or Taylor have any knowledge of Hunter Biden’s personal background?

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:15:55am

re: #72 Targetpractice

Castor is basically shitting all over the adage that a good lawyer doesn’t ask questions to which he does not know the answer.

What exactly is his line of questioning, I turned it off when Nunes was Nunesing. I can’t seem to follow Castor’s line of thought… but I may be getting distracted by that shit eating grin he keeps putting up

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:16:00am

re: #71 KGxvi

Impeachment by Combat!

I hereby ask The Mountain to be my Champion.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:16:13am

If you wanted to put on display what a witch hunt really is, this entire line of questioning would be it.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:17:18am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:17:25am

Castor is just stepping on rakes all over the place.

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:17:54am

re: #78 lawhawk

I hereby ask The Mountain to be my Champion.

I think that because this is an impeachment by combat we need to have 7 champions on both sides, a la the Dunk and Egg novella.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:17:55am

re: #76 Mike Lamb

Why would either Kent or Taylor have any knowledge of Hunter Biden’s personal background?

Given that this President put his half wit daughter and son in law into government without them passing a security clearance, the attacks on Biden are laughable.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:17:55am

Man, this Castor dude is smarmy as fuck.

Reminds me of Avenatti.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:18:32am

Looking forward to the Trump investigation of corruption in Panama, Cyprus, and Azerbaijan.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:18:33am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:19:05am

Castor: The irregular line of communication for foreign policy is not as outlandish as it could be right?

Taylor: Well, they didn’t roll up in an actual clown car with actual clowns while playing the Bennie Hill theme, so yes it wasn’t as outlandish as it could have been.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:19:45am
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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:20:20am

Lawyers everywhere are looking at this questioning and cringing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:20:42am

Rudy didn’t do this in drag so checkmate deep state !

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:21:16am
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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:21:40am

SURPRISE!!

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:21:58am

Give me a break with the “wrest control” question.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:22:47am

How is Taylor going to take control of the Trump to Sondland to Giuliani pipeline?

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:23:04am

Meanwhile…..

Closing statements in the Stone trial, and prosecutors aren’t mincing words:

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EPR-radar  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:23:30am

So, this Castor idiot was the ‘brains’ behind the Gowdy Doody show?

No wonder he’s making such an ass of himself today.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:23:35am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:23:42am

Impeachment fever has hit Florida!

The student body president of the University of Florida is facing an impeachment threat for spending $50,000 in student fees to bring President Donald Trump’s eldest son and his girlfriend to campus.

Members of the university’s student senate on Tuesday filed a resolution to impeach Student Body President Michael Murphy for malfeasance and abuse of power.

The resolution accuses Murphy of spending mandatory student fees to push his own political beliefs when he brought Donald Trump Jr, and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, to speak on campus on October 10.

dailymail.co.uk

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:24:42am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:25:29am
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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:25:38am

re: #99 teleskiguy

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I’m expecting a QAnon reference any minute now.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:26:25am
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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:27:33am

Jesus, Castor sounds like he’s even confusing himself.

I feel bad for Taylor having to decipher this jabber.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:28:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:28:42am
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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:28:54am

On my fight card so far, I’m showing Schiff and Goldman ahead … no… that’s not quite right.

It’s been a TKO in the first round. Castor got pummeled and never could find anything to connect with.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:29:23am
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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:29:28am

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s a pretty nutty question.

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Mescalero09  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:30:20am

I’m sure the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY will cover themselves in grace and honor during this process.
Yes.
And I will one day walk on the moon.
I just wanted to drop this here. Twitter can be a real sewer, but in among the flotsam and jetsam and mindless insanity are true gems and things that warm the heart. I’ve followed this for a while and it’s brought a smile to my face many times. The link will tell you the story and the story goes on every day. It’s my farm family, so to speak. Throw a buck at them and tune in and watch.
Eff Trump.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:30:25am

Twitter’s having a ball with this mook.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:30:42am

If this wasn’t so serious, it would be hilarious.

Nunes. Without Duct-tape. over mouth. Who the hell they trying to kid???

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:30:56am

re: #84 makeitstop

Man, this Castor dude is smarmy as fuck.

Reminds me of Avenatti.

And looks like Lewandowski

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:31:59am

And Schiff punctures the myth of Trump as anti-corruption crusader with one question.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:32:16am
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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:32:22am

re: #91 teleskiguy

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So basically the House Republicans’ tack to counter today’s testimony is to fall back on their traditional “3 I’s” strategy: Irrelevancies, Innuendo and Insults?

And hope the non-wingnut media doesn’t pick up on it - or bothsider it to death?

To me, an overlooked takeaway is the more-or-less open admission that disbursement of US foreign aid - Congressional appropriation/authorization notwithstanding - was (at least for Ukraine) largely dependent on whether or not they “liked” Trump personally.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:34:14am

One thing that will be interesting to watch is how each member of the committee approaches his/her 5 minutes. There was no grandstanding from Schiff—just directly to the meat of questioning. I don’t expect we will see the same from the GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:34:46am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:35:10am

re: #116 Mike Lamb

One thing that will be interesting to watch is how each member of the committee approaches his/her 5 minutes. There was no grandstanding from Schiff—just directly to the meat of questioning. I don’t expect we will see the same from the GOP.

I expect a repeat of past hearings: 5 minutes of questions from Dems, 5 minutes of BS speechifying from Repubs.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:35:45am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:36:49am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:36:58am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:37:53am

I agree with Asha, Cantor I’d guess is one of the few lawyers who would be willing to touch this thing and NOT be worried about either professional reputation or being paid for services rendered by Trumpland.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:38:10am

Oh boy, Gym.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:38:27am

OMG—Gym’s up. I’m feeling nauseous.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:38:37am

It’s stunning to me that they think Gym Jordan is their heavy hitter.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:38:44am

Jordan applying the LOUD technique to overwhelm witness.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:39:20am

re: #126 jaunte

Jordan applying the LOUD technique to overwhelm witness.

Straight from the Trump school of arguing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:39:21am
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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:39:47am

re: #126 jaunte

Jordan applying the LOUD technique to overwhelm witness.

Not sure which is more annoying—his voice, his idiotic questions or his jacketless/needs a shower appearance.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:40:09am

re: #121 Charles Johnson

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He took advantage of people genuinely trying to democractize their country. He’s Putin’s lackey the way Lukashenko is in Belarus and Yanukovich was in Ukraine.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:40:26am

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:40:27am

And there it is. The grandstanding/testifying.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:40:30am

re: #129 BeachDem

The unsuccessful combover.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:40:48am

meanwhile back in Kentucky…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:40:58am

re: #129 BeachDem

Not sure which is more annoying—his voice, his idiotic questions or his jacketless/needs a shower appearance.

Why not both (you know this tho)

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:41:27am
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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:41:32am

Hold up, but go ahead!

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stpaulbear  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:42:01am

Is Gym Jordan having some kind of comb-over malfunction?

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:42:14am

re: #119 teleskiguy

Watch for Trump to elevate this guy to a spot on the federal bench. He’s part of the Federalist society, where they cultivate these folks by the score.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:42:25am

Let.
Me interrupt.
Your train of thought…

Technique.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:42:35am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Why not both (you know this tho)

Well, I had to turn the sound off and can’t stand looking at him, so I guess it’s everything about Gym Jordan is annoying.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:42:40am

We’re seeing the performance that McCarthy thought was gonna make Jordan an asset on the committee.

This shit is just sad.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:43:08am
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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:43:30am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Unclear here: who is asking that question of Amb. Kent?

And what’s the over/under on the next Repub talking point being that if then-VP Biden was indeed acting “in accordance with official US policy”, that just just PROVES that it was Obama and Biden who were the corrupt ones….??

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:43:47am

re: #72 Targetpractice

Castor is basically shitting all over the adage that a good lawyer doesn’t ask questions to which he does not know the answer.

Are you assuming he’s a good lawyer?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:44:15am

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Oh please internet, meme the hell out of this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:44:19am
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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:44:36am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:44:47am

re: #145 Belafon

Are you assuming he’s a good lawyer?

Quite the contrary, that he hasn’t a fucking clue how to be a lawyer.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:45:10am

Jordan just spent a minute saying literally nothing. Or as Bill Walton would say: “Never confuse activity with achievement.”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:45:27am
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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:45:30am
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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:45:51am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gym seems to be annoying the shit out of Taylor while at the same time providing sick entertainment with his clownish crap.

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:46:46am

re: #150 Mike Lamb

Jordan just spent a minute saying literally nothing. Or as Bill Walton would say: “Never confuse activity with achievement.”

That’s Walton quoting Coach Wooden, I think.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:47:19am

Whoa, Dem counsel punches Nunes and Jordan straight in the gob.

Metaphorically, of course.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:47:20am
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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:48:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:48:45am

re: #144 Jay C

Unclear here: who is asking that question of Amb. Kent?

And what’s the over/under on the next Repub talking point being that if then-VP Biden was indeed acting “in accordance with official US policy”, that just just PROVES that it was Obama and Biden who were the corrupt ones….??

Dan Goldman, counsel for the Democrats

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:48:56am

re: #151 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:48:59am

re: #107 Targetpractice

So, the Chewbacca defense?

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:49:18am

re: #160 Belafon

So, the Chewbacca defense?

Basically.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:49:37am
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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:49:45am

Himes pointing out the emperor’s anti-corruption nakedness.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:49:51am

re: #155 makeitstop

Whoa, Dem counsel punches Nunes and Jordan straight in the gob.

Metaphorically, of course.

Aw, I was hoping for literal.

//

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:49:55am

re: #160 Belafon

So, the Chewbacca defense?

Chewbacca

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:50:42am
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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:51:57am

Texas isn’t sending our best.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:52:20am

Ratcliff is going to ratfuck

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:52:59am

Now up, that dynamic prosecutor who arrested 300 illegal immigrants in a single day—oops, never mind.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:53:19am
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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:53:37am

Is this a question or a filibuster?

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:53:52am

re: #171 makeitstop

Is this a question or a filibuster?

A filibuster.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:54:20am

“The hostage never complained about their treatment!”

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:55:42am

The bullet whizzed over the target’s head. He had no knowledge of the attempted murder! No crime!

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:55:46am

re: #156 jaunte

There’s a scene in Iron Man 2, where Tony is testyfing about why he won’t turn his technology over, and a competitor is talking. Tony types a few things in, takes over the screens, and displays videos from his competitor’s trials.

Schiff needs to do stuff like that.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:55:53am

Can’t believe this asshole was actually a prosecutor. Wonder how many times he was sanctioned for his asswholiness.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:56:35am

Ukraine is in a precarious position. Republicans fucking know this.

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:56:49am

re: #166 Targetpractice

The GOP literally rearranged their org chart so Jim Jordan could be seen on Fox and Sinclair TV doing this.

This was their actual strategy.

And to that extent, it probably will work.
But exactly how extensive that extent is, still remains to be seen.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:57:05am

re: #162 makeitstop

What’s in the picture?

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:57:12am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:57:35am

re: #176 BeachDem

Can’t believe this asshole was actually a prosecutor. Wonder how many times he was sanctioned for his asswholiness.

Not sure he actually was.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:58:01am

Christ, this Republican questioning is fucking Amateur Night in Dixie.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:58:04am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:58:09am

re: #181 Scottish Dragon

Not sure he actually was.

IIRC he’s got a JD but never practiced law.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:58:41am

re: #179 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

‘Not from me, but this is an absolute fucking shitshow. No one wants to be here.’

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:00:09am

I would donate mad money to any Democrat who straight up told a Republican to shut the fuck up.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:02:03am
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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:03:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:03:17am
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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:03:42am

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

I would donate mad money to any Democrat who straight up told a Republican to shut the fuck up.

Beto has dropped out, and he’s probably the Dem with the best odds of saying that out loud

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:04:32am

Wish I could watch all this but I am in a class of bored math III students doing paperwork.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:04:55am

Well…Rep. Turner, the WH is blocking everyone that did communicate directly with Trump from testifying, so…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:05:07am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:05:59am

What a stupid fucking question from Turner—Did you ever walk into a meeting where things were different than other things? (More or less).

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:07:18am

The Repub plan now seems to be to lean as hard as they can on Zelensky’s denials of pressure being put upon him.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:07:51am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

IIRC he’s got a JD but never practiced law.

Are we talking about Ratcliff? In 2004, President George W. Bush appointed Ratcliffe to be the Chief of Anti-Terrorism and National Security for the Eastern District of Texas, within the U.S. Department of Justice. In May 2007, Ratcliffe was named interim U.S. Attorney for the district.

He was also in private practice before and after that.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:07:59am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:09:35am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:09:37am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:10:14am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:10:17am

re: #196 BeachDem

Are we talking about Ratcliff? In 2004, President George W. Bush appointed Ratcliffe to be the Chief of Anti-Terrorism and National Security for the Eastern District of Texas, within the U.S. Department of Justice. In May 2007, Ratcliffe was named interim U.S. Attorney for the district.

He was also in private practice before and after that.

Jordan. Knew Radcliffe had done litigation when he nearly got a job in the administration.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:10:30am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Or his argument that we would have to call Zelensky a liar. Well he possibly might be. He is leader of this hugely corrupt country according to Donnie and crew.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:12:30am
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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:12:30am

And, in a brief break from Impeachment Madness, according to this dKos piece the House and Senate have agreed to - as McCarter aptly puts it - “kick the [budget] can” all they way out to December 20th (!).

No guarantees, though: apparently more WH demands for Wall funding (whatta surprise!) are still a sticking point. As is Trump’s possible response, but at least the odds of a government shutdown (?next week?) have been shortened. Maybe.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:12:46am

Pissing off corrupt people

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:13:08am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:14:02am

We’ve reached the point in the proceedings where the GOP is impeaching Obama.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:14:56am

re: #207 Mike Lamb

We’ve reached the point in the proceedings where the GOP is impeaching Obama.

It was only a matter of time.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:14:59am

Stewart now basically trying to make an attempt to impeach Taylor by suggesting that he’s not licking Donny’s boot hard enough.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:15:10am

Taylor keeps interrupting this ‘wink wink nudge nudge” technique.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:15:11am

re: #207 Mike Lamb

We’ve reached the point in the proceedings where the GOP is impeaching Obama.

and Biden. And Hillary.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:15:19am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Jordan. Knew Radcliffe had done litigation when he nearly got a job in the administration.

Ah—sorry. Yeah, Jordan got a degree but never took the bar.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:15:54am

HOW MANY LIGHTS ARE THERE, GYM?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:16:11am

re: #212 BeachDem

Ah—sorry. Yeah, Jordan got a degree but never took the bar.

All good.

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:16:25am

re: #207 Mike Lamb

We’ve reached the point in the proceedings where the GOP is impeaching Obama.

Yep. They’ll do whatever they can, come hell or high water to keep the Kenyan Usurper from getting a third term….

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:17:31am

Remember, Ratcliffe got elected because this very red district we live in in north East Texas decided that Ralph Hall didn’t need to serve one last term because he wasn’t conservative enough to combat Obama.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:17:39am

Ratcliffe’s response to the idea that Zelensky lied to the press to protect his position: “He got the aid!”

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:18:37am

I mean, the aid couldn’t have possibly been released because the fact they were trying to extort an investigation was starting to come into light, and they came (slightly) to their senses?

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:19:28am
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sagehen  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:19:59am

re: #212 BeachDem

Ah—sorry. Yeah, Jordan got a degree but never took the bar.

Is it fair to assume that a law school grad who never takes the bar… is because he’s pretty sure he won’t pass?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:20:33am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:21:05am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:21:10am

re: #219 teleskiguy

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They aren’t even really denying that the behavior from our side took place—just that it didn’t have the intended impact.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:21:18am

re: #220 sagehen

Is it fair to assume that a law school grad who never takes the bar… is because he’s pretty sure he won’t pass?

No. It’s that they have no intent to practice law.

You can do stuff without passing the bar, including going into politics, writing about law, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:21:42am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:21:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:22:12am

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Republican congressmen really covering themselves in glory today. Oh wait that isn’t glory.

well, it is the sort of thing you might see through a glory hole…

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:22:40am

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Trump thinks that this is swell. They’re doing what Trump wants, and thinks this is a successful strategery.

It isn’t.

Trump and the GOP don’t have a defense. They have only smears, deflections, and distractions.

Democrats have the facts and law on their side - and if there was any chance that Mulvaney or anyone else could exonerate Trump, they’d be jumping at the chance to testify. None will. Because they’re all implicated in the crimes.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:22:45am

re: #220 sagehen

Is it fair to assume that a law school grad who never takes the bar… is because he’s pretty sure he won’t pass?

I’d say that’s probably a safe assumption.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:23:44am

More filibustering.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:23:46am

So, according to this, dailykos.com, Trump deleted the tweet encouraging people to vote for Sean Spicer on DWTS.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:23:59am

I’m going to be brief and quick here: argle bargle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:24:20am
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Dread Pirate  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:25:10am

I don’t know why Democrats don’t keep pointing this out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:25:12am
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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:25:50am

Welp, this Chris Stewart is really an asshole who loves the sound of his own voice.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:25:50am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:26:10am
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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:26:19am

Biggest self-own of the day, right there.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:27:11am

Stewart stepping on a huge rake.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:28:04am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:28:53am

Quigley gets it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:30:49am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

So oil is more important than people.

Got it.

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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:31:34am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:32:31am

re: #243 Eclectic Cyborg

So oil is more important than people.

Got it.

So now we are pirates.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:33:41am

LOL…this thread regarding Bevin’s claims of election fraud:

and it ends with this:

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:33:54am

Apparently a new “defense” from Repubs today is that Trump provided better/more lethal support to Ukraine than Obama did. As if that has any bearing on the crimes he committed.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:33:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:34:25am

re: #243 Eclectic Cyborg

So oil is more important than people.

Got it.

and our military are guards for hire…

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Dread Pirate  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:35:15am
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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:35:33am
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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:35:58am

theguardian.com

Israeli and Spanish companies are offering three-dimensionally (3D)-printed meat products synthesized from plant protein. Israeli firm Redefine Meat will pilot its plant-based meat in European eateries early next year. Spain’s Novameat aims to have its plant-based printers in Spanish, Italian, and U.K. restaurants in the next year, in supermarkets in 2021, and in residences a year or two later. Novameat’s printers receive pea and rice proteins via capsules, which they combine with a red paste to create realistic steak or chicken. Said Emma Lake of U.K. food-industry publication The Caterer, “The potential market for 3D-printed meat could be substantial; we’ve already seen dramatic growth in vegan meat imitations in response to more consumers cutting down on their consumption of animal products for environmental and health reasons.”

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CarolJ  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:36:02am

re: #224 lawhawk

But even if you don’t really practice, wouldn’t it be a good option to have the option? Why waste all of that hard work in law school? It would be like being class valedictorian and not taking the actual degree.

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plansbandc  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:36:07am

re: #243 Eclectic Cyborg

Naturally. Money and potential money is always more important than people.

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:36:43am

re: #220 sagehen

Is it fair to assume that a law school grad who never takes the bar… is because he’s pretty sure he won’t pass?

Nah, some decide while in law school that being a lawyer sucks, or they have another avenue open up to them. I almost didn’t take the bar because part way through I wasn’t sure I wanted to be a lawyer.

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:38:48am

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

So now we are pirates.

No, we have a government, so we’re imperialists.

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:38:55am

re: #254 plansbandc

Naturally. Money and potential money is always more important than people.

True. Fossil fuels, by definition, are a dwindling resource. People, OTOH, are a renewable resource…!

//

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Dread Pirate  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:42:48am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:43:12am

Let’s see if Hurd has a spine now that he’s retiring. Not hopeful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:44:05am
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stpaulbear  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:44:08am

Argh. Kent says he’s worked for ‘Republican and Democrat presidents’.

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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:44:09am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:44:38am

re: #258 Dread Pirate

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Or for Trump demanding a negative interest rate loan is usual business for him as a crime boss. “Nice bank you have here. Pity if something would happen to it like me declaring bankruptcy and defaulting on all the loans I have here.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:44:39am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:45:54am

Will Hurd is up

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:46:23am

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I bet being a fly-on-the-wall for the briefings foreign leaders get before meeting with him would be quite informative and possibly even entertaining.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:47:00am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:47:22am

meanwhile back at the Bevin debacle:

I’m dying laughing

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:48:46am

Do we know of any pending GOP retirements in the Senate or is it just House Reps so far that have announced?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:49:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:50:36am
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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:51:13am

re: #269 Eclectic Cyborg

Do we know of any pending GOP retirements in the Senate or is it just House Reps so far that have announced?

Pat Roberts (Kansas), Lamar Alexander (Tennessee), and Mike Enzi (Wyoming) have announced they’re retiring on the GOP side. Tom Udall (New Mexico) is the only Democratic retirement thus far.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:52:10am

Joaquin Castro’s testimony is crucial. Just meat and potatoes. Easy for laypeople to follow.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:52:40am

Castro asking good questions. Especially the attempted murder and attempted extortion ones.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:53:05am

re: #269 Eclectic Cyborg

In the Senate:
Alexander - TN
Roberts - KS
Isakson - 2019 - GA
Enzi - WY

Udall is retiring on the D side.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:53:23am

re: #272 KGxvi

Pat Roberts (Kansas), Lamar Alexander (Tennessee), and Mike Enzi (Wyoming) have announced they’re retiring on the GOP side. Tom Udall (New Mexico) is the only Democratic retirement thus far.

So we have four Republicans with nothing to lose if they vote to impeach. That leaves…17 more that have to be swayed?

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:54:20am

Ratcliff is really an obnoxious little twit, isn’t he?

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:54:54am
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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:55:01am

re: #261 stpaulbear

Argh. Kent says he’s worked for ‘Republican and Democrat presidents’.

1. He’s doing the right thing right now. Whether he likes Democrats or not, he’s still doing his job.
2. The problem with the word Democrat and Democratic is that you have to use one word for a noun, and the other word for an adjective. If you try to change your sentence while talking, you can end up with the wrong one.

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sagehen  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:55:02am

Collins (ME) and Gardner (CO) face pretty stiff general elections; the Republican primary isn’t their biggest consideration.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:55:21am

George Kent is getting sick of John Ratcliffe’s shit.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:56:04am

re: #277 BeachDem

Ratcliff is really an obnoxious little twit, isn’t he?

Yes, and so are his constituent emails.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:56:16am

re: #279 Belafon

1. He’s doing the right thing right now. Whether he likes Democrats or not, he’s still doing his job.
2. The problem with the word Democrat and Democratic is that you have to use one word for a noun, and the other word for an adjective. If you try to change your sentence while talking, you can end up with the wrong one.

And he did just say ‘That’s a question you’ll have to ask your Democratic colleagues.’ 1 for 2

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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:56:40am

re: #251 teleskiguy

Guns and Roses! I mean Guns and Fires! I mean the Gunz Mexico corruption thing! Fast and REally Angry Furious!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:57:03am

re: #261 stpaulbear

Argh. Kent says he’s worked for ‘Republican and Democrat presidents’.

proves he’s a Republican

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:57:31am

Ratcliffe is a showboating douche. That is all.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:58:14am

Is there any point in the on-going train wreck where Putin benefits more from cutting loose with all the held compromising evidence and documentation of essentially owning the GOP?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:59:43am

This isn’t real, right?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:00:21pm

re: #287 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Is there any point in the on-going train wreck where Putin benefits more from cutting loose with all the held compromising evidence and documentation of essentially owning the GOP?

I don’t think so. The more stupid shit the GOP does, the more it fucks our standing in the world, which almost always works to Russias advantage. The stupider they get, the more Putin benefits, It really is an amazing arrangement for him.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:00:58pm

re: #287 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Is there any point in the on-going train wreck where Putin benefits more from cutting loose with all the held compromising evidence and documentation of essentially owning the GOP?

If Putin released everything, there would be a mass of Republican retirements, and Democrats could start fixing things sooner. Holding onto it continues the destruction.

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stpaulbear  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:01:03pm

re: #279 Belafon

re: #283 makeitstop

Yep, I know he’s doing the right thing now. It just kind of took me off-guard. I’m kind of sensitive to the misuse.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:01:18pm
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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:01:56pm

re: #280 sagehen

Collins (ME) and Gardner (CO) face pretty stiff general elections; the Republican primary isn’t their biggest consideration.

I’d add McSally, Ernst, and Tillis. Arizona is R+5 (but seems to be trending blue), Iowa and North Carolina are both R+3. The two Georgia Senators will also be up in 2020 and Georgia is R+5 as well, though probably not trending as blue as Arizona.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:02:15pm
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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:03:18pm

re: #293 KGxvi

I’d add McSally, Ernst, and Tillis. Arizona is R+5 (but seems to be trending blue), Iowa and North Carolina are both R+3. The two Georgia Senators will also be up in 2020 and Georgia is R+5 as well, though probably not trending as blue as Arizona.

And Iowa may be R+3, but it just elected 3 Democratic Reps, and King sees the writing on the wall.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:03:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:03:35pm
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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:04:16pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

The GOP shouldn’t have given Trump their Twitter password.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:04:19pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:04:29pm

Goddamnit, Gym’s back to his jibber jabber.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:05:06pm
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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:05:14pm

Fuck off, Gym. (and take a shower and put on a jacket)

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:05:17pm

re: #300 teleskiguy

Goddamnit, Gym’s back to his jibber jabber.

He has the voice of an 80 year old mental patient.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:05:43pm

They really need to figure out what their defense is. Now Jordan is saying everything is on the up and up.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:06:24pm

Oh holy fuck, Gym is seriously trying to suggest that Trump released the money because everybody around him said “Zelensky is the real deal.”

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:06:31pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

In a deposition/trial, this is where lawyers would object because the question calls for a legal opinion and/or expert testimony.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:06:39pm

Uh, Gym, is there a question here?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:06:52pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:07:02pm

re: #305 Targetpractice

Oh holy fuck, Gym is seriously trying to suggest that Trump released the money because everybody around him said “Zelensky is the real deal.”

He’ll need to provide witness to that.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:07:05pm

re: #307 Mike Lamb

Uh, Gym, is there a question here?

No, there is not.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:08:31pm

There was already someone that checked out the credibility of the whistleblower complaint.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:08:36pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:09:34pm

Moment of the day goes to Rep. Welch for saying that he’d like to hear from the man who started all this, that he’d welcome Trump to sit down and testify.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:10:03pm

Welch with the perfect response to Gym’s rant. ‘The person who started it all can set everything straight. The president can come in and sit right there.’

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:11:01pm

re: #295 Belafon

And Iowa may be R+3, but it just elected 3 Democratic Reps, and King sees the writing on the wall.

Very true.

As for those up in 2022, there’s Rubio, Young in Indiana only got 52% of the vote last time, Roy Blunt in Missouri won with a plurality, Burr in NC is retiring so there’s a potential member of the No Fucks Left to Give Caucus, Toomey in PA won with a plurality, and Ron Johnson won with less than 51%

That’s six more

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:12:28pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:13:00pm

In other news…

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steve_davis  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:14:48pm

re: #278 makeitstop

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I was thinking much the same thing. “Is it true, Mr. Ambassador, that the Trump administration provided the lethal military aid that the Obama administration did not?” “Uhm, yes, which is why threatening to withhold that aid would have been especially devastating, Congressman.” “(Long drawn-out farting noise)”

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Dread Pirate  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:15:33pm

Whistle-blower timeline.

Sept. 9 — Atkinson, the inspector general of the intelligence community, notifies the House intelligence committee that he received a whistleblower’s complaint relating to an “urgent concern” on Aug. 12. He says he found the information credible, and sent “my determination of a credible urgent concern” along with a copy of the complaint to Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, who had seven days to forward the complaint to Congress. But, contrary to “past practice,” Maguire did not forward the complaint to Congress, believing “the allegations do not meet the definition of an ‘urgent concern’ under the [whistleblower] statute,” Atkinson writes. The inspector general says he will keep the committee apprised of his attempts to resolve the issue.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:20:22pm

re: #319 Dread Pirate

Whistle-blower timeline.

I’m sure that had no impact on the release of the aid.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:20:43pm
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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:21:10pm

Boom—Val Demings cutting to the chase!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:21:58pm

re: #321 Targetpractice

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They want to impeach his character and give their base a villain.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:25:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:26:18pm

lol

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:31:25pm

Great close there, Dev.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:31:53pm

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

lol

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Damn. I’m in the wrong line of work.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:32:07pm

Man, Nunes sounded absolutely defeated with his closing statement. Good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:32:35pm

re: #326 Mike Lamb

Great close there, Dev.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:32:50pm

Meanwhile.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:33:19pm

re: #328 makeitstop

Man, Nunes sounded absolutely defeated with his closing statement. Good.

And this is day one.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:34:31pm

re: #331 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And this is day one.

Can’t wait to see the impeachment numbers shift. It’s gonna happen.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:34:49pm

re: #331 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And this is day one.

As I’ve said. If they don’t control the narrative they’re fucked.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:35:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:38:24pm
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Disloyal Archangel  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:39:59pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:40:59pm

re: #278 makeitstop

Exactly! See, our man MAGA POTUS provided the aid, he just threatened to not provide it, because, uh, anyway, our Man MAGA POTUS is just bluster and bluffing which is Great because, uh, I mean he provided the moneys that yeah we said and Very Good, just Fake News, OK?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:43:03pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

Self awareness is a wonderful thing

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:44:05pm

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is Lindsey referring to the time-tested standard “with all this shit, there must be a pony?”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:46:40pm

And Steve Bannon calls Pelosi’s impeachment strategy “brilliant”:

“I disagree with her ideologically, but I think Nancy Pelosi is a master at political warfare. I think, strategically, what she has done from their perspective is actually quite brilliant,” he said in the interview.

Bannon elaborated to CBS that Republicans “are not as united on messaging as the Democrats” regarding impeachment, saying a “sense of urgency” among Trump’s allies “is not there today.”

Praising with faint damns, it seems….

Let’s just hope that the Dems don’t forget all the emolument violations and other low-hanging fruit…

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:48:42pm

re: #340 Eric The Fruit Bat

And Steve Bannon calls Pelosi’s impeachment strategy “brilliant”:

Praising with faint damns, it seems….

Let’s just hope that the Dems don’t forget all the emolument violations and other low-hanging fruit…

And Bannon’s still pretty brillaint there, as well. The only thing that would look weirder is if David Duke praised Omar’s Palestinian recognicion efforts.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:49:40pm

re: #340 Eric The Fruit Bat

Bannon elaborated to CBS that Republicans “are not as united on messaging as the Democrats” regarding impeachment, saying a “sense of urgency” among Trump’s allies “is not there today.”

They’re all still under the impression that they can bluster their way past this.

Today’s hearings were a case in point. They’re running the plays that will work with the base, but that leaves a whole lot of folks who don’t live in the land of alternate reality.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:50:55pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:52:06pm

re: #342 makeitstop

They’re all still under the impression that they can bluster their way past this.

Today’s hearings were a case in point. They’re running the plays that will work with the base, but that leaves a whole lot of folks who don’t live in the land of alternate reality.

ITS COUPE ITS A COUPE!!!!

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:52:40pm

re: #344 Sir John Barron

ITS COUPE ITS A COUPE!!!!

You don’t know what I got

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 13, 2019 • 12:58:19pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

As I’ve said. If they don’t control the narrative they’re fucked.

27% are a lost cause. Everyone else is available to write off the GOP.

HOT DOG!

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plansbandc  Nov 13, 2019 • 1:08:34pm

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn. Her timeline is filled with powerful stupidity and a metric shit ton of bots.


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