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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:23:17pm

This should keep Ivanka inline
She doesn’t want daddy getting any ideas

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:44:34pm

I just saw an ad for some cruise line, using Jefferson Airplane’s “White Rabbit” as the theme music. Mrs FBW pointed out, “That’s about a drug trip!”

i thought, “What’s next? An ad for Georgia peaches using” Strange Fruit “?

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jeffreyw  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:48:13pm

re: #2 Blind Frog Belly White

I just saw an ad for some cruise line, using Jefferson Airplane’s “White Rabbit” as the theme music. Mrs FBW pointed out, “That’s about a drug trip!”

Grace Slick is 80.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:49:19pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:51:09pm

I’ve been at a loss for words all day considering the developments and the NPR panel I just heard that FUCKING BOTHSIDERED AGAIN.

So I’ll go to bed by noting that I’m almost as much triggered by Joe DiGenova’s ca. 1970s key-bowl swinger look as I am by Gym Jordan’s “I’m not wearing a jacket because I mean business and i just came out of the steam room.”

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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:55:03pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:57:54pm

re: #6 gocart mozart

Please put that Tweet in private tags. You may think the cat (or whistleblower) is already out of the bag, but please don’t out the WB here.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:59:02pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:01:31pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:03:34pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:04:37pm

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

So, this defense of Trump is literally that actions under the 25th Amendment should commence immediately

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:09:13pm

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

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If Trump is incapable of intent Shapiro should be calling for the 25th Amendment to be used and Trump removed immediately.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:10:53pm

re: #4 Dread Pirate

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In other words Di Genova and Toensing are jumping on Richard Spencer’s Hate The Jews wagon.

These motherfathers need to be disbarred along with Giuliani!

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austin_blue  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:11:54pm

re: #12 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

If Trump is incapable of intent Shapiro should be calling for the 25th Amendment to be used and Trump removed immediately.

Should, but won’t because (mumble mumble mumble).

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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:12:37pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:13:22pm

Alabama governor Kay Ivey has announced she has lung cancer. Alabama is the worst state on record, if you contract lung cancer.

In Alabama, lung cancer patients have the greatest risk of death
al.com

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austin_blue  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:14:28pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

Alabama governor Kay Ivey has announced she has lung cancer. Alabama is the worst state on record, if you contract lung cancer.

In Alabama, lung cancer patients have the greatest risk of death
al.com

Condolences to her family.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:22:42pm

Everything but the kitchen sink.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:29:36pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

Everything but the kitchen sink.

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Pisses me off why Bloomberg and Steyer will NOT launch a hostile takeover of Fox.

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:29:39pm

A friend of mine said brussel sprouts are plant tumors. This perturbs me.

Contemplating nuclear war or merely un-Friending on Facebook.

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thecommodore  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:29:51pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

Alabama governor Kay Ivey has announced she has lung cancer. Alabama is the worst state on record, if you contract lung cancer.

In Alabama, lung cancer patients have the greatest risk of death
al.com

I’m a cancer survivor myself, so I don’t wish this kind of hell on anyone. Even someone as awful as Kay Ivey. But isn’t it ironic that she governs a state where a lung cancer patient has the worst chance of recovery?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:31:08pm

re: #20 BigPapa

A friend of mine said brussel sprouts are plant tumors. This perturbs me.

Contemplating nuclear war or merely un-Friending on Facebook.

This is what I do with fresh Brussel Sprouts cut off of the stalk

myrecipes.com

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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:32:31pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:32:58pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:37:15pm

re: #3 jeffreyw

Grace Slick is 80.

My brother, whose copy of that album I stole, is 73…

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:37:15pm

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is what I do with fresh Brussel Sprouts cut off of the stalk

myrecipes.com

At any one time walking down the street I have at least 3 brussels sprouts recipes that will make you slap yo mama. Few of them have bacon in them. Because I have the vegan equivalent of bacon, truffle powder. Couple of shakes of truffle powder on anything and it tastes better.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:37:47pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

My brother, whose copy of that album I stole, is 73…

It’s monaural.

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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:39:05pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:39:12pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:41:48pm

re: #30 gocart mozart

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Sure it’s not Martin FAT in a SHORT suit?

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:42:07pm

re: #30 gocart mozart

Now we know why his wife is so thin.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:42:58pm

re: #21 thecommodore

I’m a cancer survivor myself, so I don’t wish this kind of hell on anyone. Even someone as awful as Kay Ivey. But isn’t it ironic that she governs a state where a lung cancer patient has the worst chance of recovery?

I don’t wish it on her or on the Medicaid recipients who don’t get screening because of AL GOP policy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:47:59pm

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

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Really stupid argument. This is exactly why he ended up on Breitbart and not doing actual litigation. He’s really not as clever as his circle jerk thinks he is. And if he actually believes this, he should support 25ing Trump but he won’t because he’s a principle lacking hack.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:49:21pm

re: #30 gocart mozart

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Jiminy Glick was fun.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:56:41pm

re: #27 BigPapa

At any one time walking down the street I have at least 3 brussels sprouts recipes that will make you slap yo mama. Few of them have bacon in them. Because I have the vegan equivalent of bacon, truffle powder. Couple of shakes of truffle powder on anything and it tastes better.

I tried potato chips dusted with truffle powder and they were awful.

There is no substitute for BACON!

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:58:02pm

I keep forgetting to mention this, but Jimmy Kimmel last night had a really funny skit. They had Carrie Underwood at some boot store. She would start singing one of her songs over the PA while watching the security cameras. Then she would change the song to coincide with what one of the customers was doing. It was funny when the customer realized that they were the subject of the song.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:58:17pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Really stupid argument. This is exactly why he ended up on Breitbart and not doing actual litigation. He’s really not as clever as his circle jerk thinks he is. And if he actually believes this, he should support 25ing Trump but he won’t because he’s a principle lacking hack.

I got a feeling somebody flunked their bar exam just like Pat Robertson and Gym Jordan…

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:59:33pm

JFC!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:01:56pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

I got a feeling somebody flunked their bar exam just like Pat Robertson and Gym Jordan…

I wouldn’t be shocked honestly. He really isn’t that smart. He’s got some, I stress some debate skills but legal smarts? I never see them. I see a mediocre mind who gets touted as smart because he gets to be compared to Charlie Kirk, Jacob Wohl, & Steven Crowder.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:06:18pm

re: #39 Ace-o-aces

By Jonathan Allen

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:08:00pm

re: #39 Ace-o-aces

We almost deserve this.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:09:33pm
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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:10:05pm

WTF is wrong with these reporters?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:10:18pm

re: #39 Ace-o-aces

JFC!

The traditional media is trying to become more like the media that helped fuel Trump’s rise and this is why I really worry about our future. The story ignores that these guys are credible witnesses who have served in both party’s administrations and testified that what Trump did was completely out of bounds for a President but because it didn’t have “pizzazz”, this ass is trying to dismiss it as a failure.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:11:10pm

re: #42 Ace Rothstein

We almost deserve this.

It amazes me that Trump co hates the media so much when the media has helped them so much with their narratives.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:11:15pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:12:11pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

The traditional media is trying to become more like the media that helped fuel Trump’s rise and this is why I really worry about our future. The story ignores that these guys are credible witnesses who have served in both party’s administrations and testified that what Trump did was completely out of bounds for a President but because it didn’t have “pizzazz”, this ass is trying to dismiss it as a failure.

I guess the hearings need Russell Crowe walking out in gladiator gear, killing someone, and then asking the cameras whether or not they are sufficiently entertained.

Treating our governmental processes as some sort of reality show… I don’t really know how to react from this other than feeling some blind anger.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:14:03pm

re: #48 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I guess the hearings need Russell Crowe walking out in gladiator gear, killing someone, and then asking the cameras whether or not they are sufficiently entertained.

Treating our governmental processes as some sort of reality show… I don’t really know how to react from this other than feeling some blind anger.

It’s so absurd.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:14:23pm
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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:16:15pm

re: #39 Ace-o-aces

JFC!

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If they want razzle dazzle, they can go see “Chicago.” Our fucking media, ladies and gents.

Give ‘em the old flim flam flummox
Fool and fracture ‘em
How can they hear the truth above the roar?
Throw ‘em a fake and a finagle
They’ll never know you’re just a bagel,
Razzle dazzle ‘em
And they’ll beg you for more!

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piratedan  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:18:00pm

re: #50 jaunte

and we wonder why the American public is misinformed about the issues…. with hot takes like this it makes you wonder, why is this fuck on the news desk? Quit your fekking job and go apply over at the AV Club you poseur!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:18:42pm

re: #50 jaunte

The more our media wants to treat this all as a fucking game, the more disillusioned I get. Let me put it loudly. OUR FUCKING PRESIDENT THREATENED TO WITHHOLD AID FROM AN ALLY IN A KEY GEOPOLITICAL PLACE IF THEY DID NOT INVESTIGATE HIS POTENTIAL OPPONENT AND VALIDATE HIS CONSPIRACY THEORIES. And if you seriously believe Trump who hasn’t met a dictator he hasn’t liked or a shady business deal was interested in corruption, you’re dumber than Trump himself.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:21:36pm

If only Schiff had an announcer, smoke and fireworks like in the WWE as he entered the room.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:22:20pm

Some of these reporters need to wake up and notice that Trump is very buddy-buddy with tyrants who don’t think twice about bonesawing a man into pieces for an unfavorable report. They have a responsibility beyond themselves and their entertainment.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:24:09pm

re: #54 GlutenFreeJesus

If only Schiff had an announcer, smoke and fireworks like in the WWE as he entered the room.

Schiff should have tagged HRC in and HRC should have hit Jim Jordan with a chair for revenge for grilling her over Benghazi. And then Trey Gowdy would have tagged in too. // Seriously what the fuck media. This isn’t Mark Burnett’s the US Government. This is our government. This is what those fucking soldiers that so many people fucking reduce to a meme literally died to have be our system of government. An imperfect system but far superior to what our ancestors gained their independence fighting against and then what their descendants fought against in the world wars.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:24:58pm

re: #55 jaunte

Some of these reporters need to wake up and notice that Trump is very buddy-buddy with tyrants who don’t think twice about bonesawing a man into pieces for an unfavorable report. They have a responsibility beyond themselves and their entertainment.

That’s exactly what makes me furious about these stupid takes. We have a President who has shown that he does not value a free press and he’s fine with dissident journalists being murdered.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:25:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:27:46pm

re: #58 jaunte

The role of Edward Morrow has been played by Soledad O’Brien. If our media had more men and women like her, Trump’s sorry ass wouldn’t have gotten anywhere because the media would have actually looked at the fucked up people who pushed the Trump presidency on us. A bunch of stupid miserable fucking people who consider themselves Alphamales but are in fact some of the biggest losers you’ll ever see who think they’re hot fucking shit because they can type stupid shit on Twitter.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:29:30pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

who think they’re hot fucking shit because they can type stupid shit on Twitter

Hey, wait a minute.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:29:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:31:51pm

re: #60 jaunte

Hey, wait a minute.

Ha. I’m talking about all the “alpha males” of the world who talk shit on Twitter about minorities, immigrants, and women but who shrivel up like their little dicks if they ever have to deal with real conflict.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:33:40pm

re: #61 jaunte

Ah yeah, that’s in the same provision that said Eric Trump must be entertained by the impeachment hearings which means the next impeachment hearing will need a monkey eating its own poop which is how Eric spends his days when he’s not tweeting.

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piratedan  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:34:29pm

was so pissed off I sent the following to Mr. Allen (which links to his e-mail if you burrow thru his tweet)

Jonathon,

Maybe tomorrow the Democrats could stage a car chase or perhaps a musical number in order to keep your attention about the lawbreaking of the President and who was involved in the extortion of your tax dollars and mine in withholding Congressionally approved Military aid in exchange for a public statement that they could use as propaganda in the 2020 election and smear a political opponent. You’re right, these kinds of things happen every day in the history of our nation, so I guess its not really that big a deal.

Maybe something really exciting will happen tomorrow, or you could even liven things up yourself, by perhaps taking note on how many times in the last 50 years we’ve had Presidents use our tax dollars in order to hamstring their political opponents and show us how many times both sides do it, so that you could show us all how right your are to be bored by the proceedings.

Do better….

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:34:38pm

Maybe a story with rockets, bombs and death will have a little more pizzazz.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:37:34pm

I think the invasion of Iraq has really numbed a lot of Americans to Russia’s crime of seizing land from Ukraine.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:38:56pm

re: #65 jaunte

Maybe a story with rockets, bombs and death will have a little more pizzazz.

The fact is this. Ukraine has a border with a few very important NATO allies. Ukraine is also a sovereign nation and has been since the fall of the USSR. Also relevant is that Trump shares Putin’s view on Ukraine being part of the Russia Federation. Trump doesn’t give two fucks about our NATO or EU allies because he wants our alliances to operate like a Mafia protection ring.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:43:11pm

re: #66 jaunte

I think the invasion of Iraq has really numbed a lot of Americans to Russia’s crime of seizing land from Ukraine.

I think so too and that really upsets me. Iraq was awful. My teenage years included protesting that war. But you know what, Ukraine still has a right to its sovereignty and it should disgust people that Trump has no problem with Russia hassling an ally, an ally that sees us a role model. I think that’s what angers me the most. Trump never fails to call the nations and people he throws under the bus “ungrateful” or accuse them of ripping us off. Ukrainians look to Western Europe and the US/Canada as an ally and a model. It’s the same crap with the Kurds. I mean the neo-conservatives were awful because they never thought about the long term consequences of their invasions and war fantasies but they weren’t doing that to benefit dictatorships and the Trump doctrine benefits dictators as long as they kiss Trump’s ass. The Trump doctrine is thus far worse than the Bush doctrine is.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:50:39pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:55:06pm

The media cannot be trusted with the impeachment. They’ll both-sides this shit to death. Wasn’t it Jeff Zucker who said that Fuckface Von Clownstick was bad for the country but excellent for the media’s bottom line? FVC is a cash register to them, cha-ching cha-ching.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:57:08pm
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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:57:23pm

Transparent guilt: boring.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:59:50pm

Here’s the truth: 90%+ of reality is boring. That’s why we have scripted shows and (in recent decades) “reality TV,” because we like the idea of seeing only the interesting bits without slogging through things like characters spending hours asleep or taking a shit. If you actually offered people the chance to see their favorite “reality TV” shows in real time, the initial burst of interest would almost immediately taper off into whining that it’s “boring” and “dull.”

Who would want to tune into Hell’s Kitchen and spend hours watching the losers in that day’s challenge doing prep work like cutting veggies or butchering meat?

Or Survivor where the majority of the night scenes involve little light and a whole lot of silence?

And would The Apprentice be as interesting if we had to sit through hours of contestants doing grunt work or filling out paperwork?

I’m sure that House Dems could have made today’s proceedings shocking and dazzling to viewers if they could do it all behind closed doors, then release an hour long program where only the most “exciting” bits were spliced together as though it was the entirety of the hearing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:00:25pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

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And why didn’t we find out that Ambassador Taylor is actually Trump’s brother Fred who faked his death and became a respected diplomat.//

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:03:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:03:32pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

Here’s the truth: 90%+ of reality is boring. That’s why we have scripted shows and (in recent decades) “reality TV,” because we like the idea of seeing only the interesting bits without slogging through things like characters spending hours asleep or taking a shit. If you actually offered people the chance to see their favorite “reality TV” shows in real time, the initial burst of interest would almost immediately taper off into whining that it’s “boring” and “dull.”

Who would want to tune into Hell’s Kitchen and spend hours watching the losers in that day’s challenge doing prep work like cutting veggies or butchering meat?

Or Survivor where the majority of the night scenes involve little light and a whole lot of silence?

And would The Apprentice be as interesting if we had to sit through hours of contestants doing grunt work or filling out paperwork?

I’m sure that House Dems could have made today’s proceedings shocking and dazzling to viewers if they could do it all behind closed doors, then release an hour long program where only the most “exciting” bits were spliced together as though it was the entirety of the hearing.

Our dystopian present is not something Orwell or Huxley would have seen since neither man lived to see Mark Burnett’s garbage.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:04:39pm
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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:05:32pm

I’ve been stating that liberals need to become police officers to help combat the abuse of authority. I just realized, after reading the reactions above, that more liberals need to go into the news as well.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:05:46pm

re: #75 Ace-o-aces

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Other fact. Ben liked Milo long before he didn’t. Ben doesn’t deserve threats or antisemitic harassment but he deserves all the reminders he can get for being a bigoted prick who helped poison dialogue.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:07:34pm

re: #77 jaunte

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Because they’re afraid of the asshole base their party began to create when their party’s leaders saw the Dixiecrats votes were ripe for the taking.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:15:56pm

Y’know, I remember sitting through most of the 11 hours of the Gowdy Doody Show and it’s attempt to catch Hillary is some dramatic courtroom moment where the entire “conspiracy” came crashing down on live TV and she was exposed as a criminal for all to see. And when it ended with no big reveal, no big dramatic moment, and the star of the show walking out covered in flop sweat and muttering about “unanswered questions” while the supposed “criminal” left without a hair out of place on her head, I don’t remember the media moaning that it had all been so “boring.”

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 13, 2019 • 10:19:14pm

re: #43 jaunte

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Dread Pirate  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:27:35pm
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:32:23pm
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 13, 2019 • 11:56:31pm

Just when you think he’s hit rock bottom, he finds a way to go lower!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2019 • 12:35:24am

The QAnon nuts seem to be getting riled up over some alleged “Q confirmation” that Trump has gone to his reward (such as it were) and been replaced by a body double.

It seems to be getting spread by a relatively minor segment of the Qult, but of course, their fever dreams are growing increasingly unhinged.

In a private tag, because this one may cause brain damage. It’s entirely SFW, just 100% batshit crazy.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 2:23:41am

re: #85 Ace-o-aces

Just when you think he’s hit rock bottom, he finds a way to go lower!

@evanmcmurry
Pres. Trump claims Turkish Pres. Erdogan “has a great relationship with the Kurds.”

“Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 2:29:30am

re: #2 Blind Frog Belly White

I just saw an ad for some cruise line, using Jefferson Airplane’s “White Rabbit” as the theme music. Mrs FBW pointed out, “That’s about a drug trip!”

i thought, “What’s next? An ad for Georgia peaches using” Strange Fruit “?

My favorite scene involving White Rabbit from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 2:33:26am

re: #20 BigPapa

A friend of mine said brussel sprouts are plant tumors. This perturbs me.

Contemplating nuclear war or merely un-Friending on Facebook.

I can understand hating Brussels sprouts for the fact that our standard way of preparing them is to boil them down to mush, as is the case with cauliflower or broccoli.

There are ways of preparing then in which they are delicate and crunchy yet tender and taste wonderful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 2:35:07am

re: #48 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I guess the hearings need Russell Crowe walking out in gladiator gear, killing someone, and then asking the cameras whether or not they are sufficiently entertained.

Treating our governmental processes as some sort of reality show… I don’t really know how to react from this other than feeling some blind anger.

I read that in ancient rome, public figures such as actors or gladiators were considered infam and forbidden occupy public office to avoid turning politics into spectacle.

We are starting to see some of the reasoning behind it.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2019 • 2:43:48am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I read that in ancient rome, public figures such as actors or gladiators were considered infam and forbidden occupy public office to avoid turning politics into spectacle.

We are starting to see some of the reasoning behind it.

Maybe at some point in their earlier history, the Romans had dealt with someone, perhaps an actor or gladiator, who parlayed their fame into public office and after creating some kind of shitshow, the Roman Senate decided they weren’t having that anymore in the future.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 2:47:33am

re: #86 Dr Lizardo

The QAnon nuts seem to be getting riled up over some alleged “Q confirmation” that Trump has gone to his reward (such as it were) and been replaced by a body double.

It seems to be getting spread by a relatively minor segment of the Qult, but of course, their fever dreams are growing increasingly unhinged.

In a private tag, because this one may cause brain damage. It’s entirely SFW, just 100% batshit crazy.

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1. Yeah, that is some serious delusional content

2. Not surprisingly the Q-Anon folks appear not to comprehend how the 25th Amendment works

3. I am now wondering if the 25th had not been ratified in ‘67, would Nixon have resigned. What are the chances that Nixon would bow out, and allow the Democratic Speaker of the House assume the presidency?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 2:49:36am

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

Maybe at some point in their earlier history, the Romans had dealt with someone, perhaps an actor or gladiator, who parlayed their fame into public office and after creating some kind of shitshow, the Roman Senate decided they weren’t having that anymore in the future.

Because people would support these infams because of their popularity, not their politics.

Nowadays, our news media give them free publicity and refrain from asking any embarrassing questions in order not to lose access, as these people bring in readers/viewers…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2019 • 3:24:25am

re: #92 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

1. Yeah, that is some serious delusional content

2. Not surprisingly the Q-Anon folks appear not to comprehend how the 25th Amendment works

3. I am now wondering if the 25th had not been ratified in ‘67, would Nixon have resigned. What are the chances that Nixon would bow out, and allow the Democratic Speaker of the House assume the presidency?

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Q-cumbers probably think the 25th Amendment is “fake news!” or some “Deep State mechanism to legally pull off a coup!” or some such crap.

They’re nuts, quite frankly. Some of them have gone so far off the deep end, I doubt they’re reachable anymore.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 3:39:18am

re: #94 Dr Lizardo

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Q-cumbers probably think the 25th Amendment is “fake news!” or some “Deep State mechanism to legally pull off a coup!” or some such crap.

They’re nuts, quite frankly. Some of them have gone so far off the deep end, I doubt they’re reachable anymore.

Many are far gone, others are just trolls and attention/sensation-seekers who enjoying getting a rise out of people. But whatever their motive, they have reached a critical mass in that they are starting to affect the public discourse.

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Ming5000  Nov 14, 2019 • 3:47:01am

George Conway was well spoken yesterday. He is another capable never-Trumper.
Too bad there are so few MAGAs who have his perspective.

George Conway: I’m ‘Horrified’ And ‘Appalled’ That The GOP Has Come to This | MSNBC

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2019 • 3:48:09am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Many are far gone, others are just trolls and attention/sensation-seekers who enjoying getting a rise out of people. But whatever their motive, they have reached a critical mass in that they are starting to affect the public discourse.

I wonder how many of these QAnon nutters we’ll see running for office under the GOP banner next year? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there weren’t at least a few - provided that QAnon hasn’t been completely and utterly debunked by then (arguably, after a slew of failed and laughable predictions, Q should’ve been utterly discredited long ago).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 3:49:34am

re: #96 Ming5000

George Conway was well spoken yesterday. He is another capable never-Trumper.
Too bad there are so few MAGAs who have his perspective.

Shocked, I say!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 3:50:15am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

I wonder how many of these QAnon nutters we’ll see running for office under the GOP banner next year? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there weren’t at least a few - provided that QAnon hasn’t been completely and utterly debunked by then (arguably, after a slew of failed and laughable predictions, Q should’ve been utterly discredited long ago).

I can see them taking over the GOP post-Trump, even if he wins and especially if he loses.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2019 • 3:50:45am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

I wonder how many of these QAnon nutters we’ll see running for office under the GOP banner next year? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there weren’t at least a few - provided that QAnon hasn’t been completely and utterly debunked by then (arguably, after a slew of failed and laughable predictions, Q should’ve been utterly discredited long ago).

Q cannot be debunked at our present level of public mental health. If America were 70% sane, Q would never have been bunked.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 14, 2019 • 3:51:09am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 14, 2019 • 3:58:15am

re: #2 Blind Frog Belly White

I just saw an ad for some cruise line, using Jefferson Airplane’s “White Rabbit” as the theme music. Mrs FBW pointed out, “That’s about a drug trip!”

i thought, “What’s next? An ad for Georgia peaches using” Strange Fruit “?

I see you, and raise you Stone Temple Pilots selling Ram pick-me-up trucks.

The Power to Innovate | Ram Heavy Duty

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2019 • 3:59:48am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I can see them taking over the GOP post-Trump, even if he wins and especially if he loses.

At that point, the GOP probably end up going the way of the Know-Nothings - a party of cranks and conspiracy theorists, populated by nativists and would-be theocrats.

Presumably, some new center-right party will emerge from the ashes and balance will be restored.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2019 • 4:02:05am

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

At that point, the GOP probably end up going the way of the Know-Nothings - a party of cranks and conspiracy theorists, populated by nativists and would-be theocrats.

Presumably, some new center-right party will emerge from the ashes and balance will be restored.

Cough, cough, spit…wipes sleeves. They’re called “Democrats”.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 4:06:38am

re: #96 Ming5000

George Conway was well spoken yesterday. He is another capable never-Trumper.
Too bad there are so few MAGAs who have his perspective.

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Not to be a dick about it and I welcome every never-trumper, but this guy, along with Ann Coulter were a big part of the Clinton impeachment. Conway was on the legal team.

Great you’re onboard now…but it is only the level of what trump is doing that is driving this…meaning he’s ruining the republican party.

All these people, Conway, Rick Wilson, et. freaking al, are going to be back to “dems suck” immediately after this trump thing leaves. They are all, lock, stock and barrel, part of WHY we have trump.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2019 • 4:06:40am

re: #61 jaunte

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The road to Idiocracy.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2019 • 4:09:42am

OK, off to work. Back later today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 4:10:08am

re: #106 Eventual Carrion

The road to Idiocracy.

One key moment was when John McCain tried to stand up to people calling Obama a traitor and he was shouted down.

That started a race to the bottom of the barrel of outrageous claims and attention-seeking behavior that is still gaining momentum. Qanon is a symptom of that tendency, since they know that as long as something is anti-Democrat, it will not be seriously called out or challenged by the GOP and once it becomes a “trending on Twitter” hashtag, it will get picked up and discussed by the media as if it had some merit.

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Ming5000  Nov 14, 2019 • 4:10:24am

Chuck Todd in yesterday’s NBC live round-table was awful. His insipid comments were highlighted compared to the better commentary around him. I was embarrassed for him.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 4:15:58am

Short thread.

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steve_davis  Nov 14, 2019 • 4:20:01am

re: #4 Dread Pirate

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re: #39 Ace-o-aces

JFC!

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“they dropped no bombshells….” Yeah, other than that whole “my staffer overheard Sondland on the phone with Trump explaining how ‘penis pumps really are my bag, baby!’”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 4:21:12am

re: #111 steve_davis

“they dropped no bombshells….” Yeah, other than that whole “my staffer overheard Sondland on the phone with Trump explaining how ‘penis pumps really are my bag, baby!’”

We are so jaded from infotainment that we react to nothing but sensation and bombshells. Shooting-on-5th-Avenue stuff.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:18:00am

From the guardian

Nunes is a one-time dairy farmer who now milks the bursting udders of an entire herd of conspiracy-minded cows.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:18:32am

Lottery sales, of the draw games, has really slowed down. If we think of this as an economic indicator, it suggests that people have less discretionary money than they did last year.

I’ve also noticed that many of the high-priced houses in the county that were for sale have been pulled off the market. Some have sold, at prices much lower than the asking, but others are just pulled.

If the rich think that now is not the time to sell, or if they have to sell then to take much lower than asking price, then that too is an indicator.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:19:38am

re: #114 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Still, the jobs numbers are looking good and if DT can keep that up through next November, that will work in his favor.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:21:53am

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

At that point, the GOP probably end up going the way of the Know-Nothings - a party of cranks and conspiracy theorists, populated by nativists and would-be theocrats.

Presumably, some new center-right party will emerge from the ashes and balance will be restored.

The alt-right’s strategy is to “poison the well” and they are succeeding. They have been destroying the Republican Party from within and weakening the Democratic Party through propaganda.They really have no firm ideology amongst themselves except for White Supremacy. Their economics are all over the map, pretending to adhere to Libertarianism but utterly silent on their hero Trump’s overt government interference in the “free market”. The Republican and Democratic parties are being destroyed and in the ashes an informal Republican-in-name-only hegemony is being built. The huge swath of red voting districts across the heartland has unhooded themselves and elected a spectrum of white supremacists whose only direction is one single goal - relegating the 20th Century political apparatus to the dustbin of history. They are already halfway there. In its place is a 21st Century internet-enabled populism celebrating authoritarianism.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:22:11am

The combination of Trump’s narcissism-inspired global trade war, and the continued movement of national wealth into the hands of the very few, is killing the economic engine of the US.

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The unemployment numbers look good because of several factors. Remember, only those looking for work are considered. Also, many people have minimum wage jobs that are dead ends and the minimum wage is just not keeping up with prices, so while a part-timer is considered “employed”, such people are the working poor and are at high risk of disaster.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:25:17am

re: #117 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The unemployment numbers look good because of several factors. Remember, only those looking for work are considered. Also, many people have minimum wage jobs that are dead ends and the minimum wage is just not keeping up with prices, so while a part-timer is considered “employed”, such people are the working poor and are at high risk of disaster.

They just have to look good on a superficial level and hold up until the second Tuesday in November…

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:27:34am

re: #117 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The combination of Trump’s narcissism-inspired global trade war, and the continued movement of national wealth into the hands of the very few, is killing the economic engine of the US.

The unemployment numbers look good because of several factors. Remember, only those looking for work are considered. Also, many people have minimum wage jobs that are dead ends and the minimum wage is just not keeping up with prices, so while a part-timer is considered “employed”, such people are the working poor and are at high risk of disaster.

This here. One question I have for anyone who might know the way the employment numbers are calculated. If I , as one person, hold 2 or 3 jobs. Is that employment number based on the one person or counted 2 or 3 times depending on how many jobs I have.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:27:40am

re: #114 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Lottery sales, of the draw games, has really slowed down. If we think of this as an economic indicator, it suggests that people have less discretionary money than they did last year.

I’ve also noticed that many of the high-priced houses in the county that were for sale have been pulled off the market. Some have sold, at prices much lower than the asking, but others are just pulled.

If the rich think that now is not the time to sell, or if they have to sell then to take much lower than asking price, then that too is an indicator.

As I have mentioned before, I get emails from Redfin daily. Every day prices in CA have dropped. Last night I got one that was on the market for $6m. It dropped in price by $300k. That was the biggest drop I have seen yet.

For years I would see a price decrease every few months. Now it is every day.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:28:39am

Household debt is at an all time high:

newyorkfed.org

A few may claim this is a good thing, that it indicates banks are confident that the populace can repay loans.

However, I suggest that this debt increase only the result of a long term push by the Fed to keep rates low. If rates start to creep up, households will not be able to service this debt.

This is the problem that our American society faces, structurally: we have designed a society that can only work by consuming greatly more than what we can actually produce or for which we can trade.

And personally, I like most people in retirement now find that medical bills are going to be much higher than anticipated, that my “golden years” are going to be years of owing hospitals and doctors a great deal of money. As many of us grow to be very old, the cost of long-term care is going to be astronomical and I wonder how our society will resolve it.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:28:54am

re: #117 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

This entire “economic miracle” is occurring during a $1 Trillion Federal Debt load increase this year alone. A big giant credit card being slapped down while taxes lowered for the highest tier of society means this entire economy is a fraud. Our Public Debt numbers are out of control closer to basket cases Greece and Italy. When the bubble bursts, and it will, the current “Miracle” will be exposed.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:30:14am

re: #116 Florida Panhandler

The alt-right’s strategy is to “poison the well” and they are succeeding. They have been destroying the Republican Party from within and weakening the Democratic Party through propaganda.They really have no firm ideology amongst themselves except for White Supremacy. Their economics are all over the map, pretending to adhere to Libertarianism but utterly silent on their hero Trump’s overt government interference in the “free market”. The Republican and Democratic parties are being destroyed and in the ashes an informal Republican-in-name-only hegemony is being built. The huge swath of red voting districts across the heartland has unhooded themselves and elected a spectrum of white supremacists whose only direction is one single goal - relegating the 20th Century political apparatus to the dustbin of history. They are already halfway there. In its place is a 21st Century internet-enabled populism celebrating authoritarianism.

My hope is that the alt-right and the alt-alt-right eat themselves into oblivion. Donny Jr and Eric getting boo’d at every college they’re brought into. The white supremacists are eating the religious righties. They’re all seeing that republicans only care about money for the rich. I can’t believe it’s this that will likely save us.

I hope for a total implosion on the right. Whatever brings it about.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:30:27am

re: #120 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

One of the houses I had checked online in summer, which had an asking price of $3M, did sell, but for $2M, which is quite a drop. It was a classic house in an exclusive neighborhood and had much history and charm, but that was not enough to keep the price up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:30:44am

re: #122 Florida Panhandler

This entire “economic miracle” is occurring during a $1 Trillion Federal Debt load increase this year alone. A big giant credit card being slapped down while taxes lowered for the highest tier of society means this entire economy is a fraud. Our Public Debt numbers are out of control closer to basket cases Greece and Italy. When the bubble bursts, and it will, the current “Miracle” will be exposed.

Whereupon it will be dumped on a Democratic administration or blamed on Democrats’ “obstructionism” and “over-regulation”.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:31:30am

re: #113 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

From the guardian

I’ve seen nothing about him that suggests he belongs on the Intel Committee let alone to be Schiff’s counterpart on it. I mean yeah I don’t like Will Hurd but someone like him would actually make sense. Even that dipshit Radcliffe would too. But Devin Nunes?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:31:34am

re: #117 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The combination of Trump’s narcissism-inspired global trade war, and the continued movement of national wealth into the hands of the very few, is killing the economic engine of the US.

The unemployment numbers look good because of several factors. Remember, only those looking for work are considered. Also, many people have MULTIPLE minimum wage jobs that are dead ends and the minimum wage is just not keeping up with prices, so while a part-timer is considered “employed”, such people are the working poor and are at high risk of disaster.

I have to think that someone holding down multiple minimum wage jobs shows positively in the statistics when it really isn’t.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:32:45am

re: #122 Florida Panhandler

Public debt was designed to be a stimulus.

The GOP howled at Obama when he came in and wanted a stimulus.

Now for some reason an even larger stimulus is fine.

Funny how that works.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:32:58am

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They just have to look good on a superficial level and hold up until the second Tuesday in November…

That’s true at the surface level, for propaganda. If actual job scarcity is buried in the fluff, people will sense that their folding cash, and that of their friends/neighbors, is vaporizing.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:33:32am

re: #128 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Public debt was designed to be a stimulus.

The GOP howled at Obama when he came in and wanted a stimulus.

Now for some reason an even larger stimulus is fine.

Funny how that works.

It’s all about the By Who and For Who.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:34:04am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

I suggest that the declining lottery sales and the decreasing house prices are such a “sense”.

Not sure that Trump and the GOP can keep up this charade for another year.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:35:44am

Good Morning America at least doesn’t seem to be playing the boring game:

This was talking about the phone call that what’s his name suddenly remembered.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:38:33am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:39:29am

re: #133 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Ever notice that the people triggered by minorities the most never actually interact with them?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:39:57am

Looking again at that Fed link I shared, one can see that the non-housing debt is rising much faster than the housing debt.

This is the transition to the old company-store society that plagued economies in the late 19th century, where people could not save capital because all their wages went to daily living expenses.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:46:23am

re: #121 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Household debt is at an all time high:

newyorkfed.org

A few may claim this is a good thing, that it indicates banks are confident that the populace can repay loans.

However, I suggest that this debt increase only the result of a long term push by the Fed to keep rates low. If rates start to creep up, households will not be able to service this debt.

This is the problem that our American society faces, structurally: we have designed a society that can only work by consuming greatly more than what we can actually produce or for which we can trade.

And personally, I like most people in retirement now find that medical bills are going to be much higher than anticipated, that my “golden years” are going to be years of owing hospitals and doctors a great deal of money. As many of us grow to be very old, the cost of long-term care is going to be astronomical and I wonder how our society will resolve it.

To take the edge off that panic a bit, I can tell you that medical costs will be reasonable for two Medicare-enrolled people IF:

1) Both are fairly healthy. (We are often surgical cases, not heavy prescription users.)
2) You can stay in a large employer or other insured pool and,
3) You can afford about 600/month supplemental insurance through the pool.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:48:41am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

That’s true at the surface level, for propaganda. If actual job scarcity is buried in the fluff, people will sense that their folding cash, and that of their friends/neighbors, is vaporizing.

There are people who are well prepared to believe (or at least promote) statistics over reality.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:49:58am

re: #128 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Public debt was designed to be a stimulus.

The GOP howled at Obama when he came in and wanted a stimulus.

Now for some reason an even larger stimulus is fine.

Funny how that works.

I still recall the halcyon days of a budget surplus under Clinton and Rush was explaining that it was immoral for the government to be collecting more money from us than it needed to operate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:51:32am

Man, when you’ve lost the racist dumpster dwellers like Joe Walsh

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Dave In Austin  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:56:20am

Morning all.
Wife and I got to a movie maybe every couple of years at this point. Both of us are big Action and SF fans.

We’re both ready for some Mr Rogers…….

What say you?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:59:30am

re: #140 Dave In Austin

Morning all.
Wife and I got to a movie maybe every couple of years at this point. Both of us are big Action and SF fans.

We’re both ready for some Mr Rogers…….

What say you?

Newborn babies at a Pittsburgh hospital dressed up as Mister Rogers for Cardigan Day

cnn.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 5:59:56am

I haven’t gone to a movie since 2005 (LOTR: Return of the King).

Do they still let you smoke in the theaters? (JK)

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:00:07am

re: #21 thecommodore

I’m a cancer survivor myself, so I don’t wish this kind of hell on anyone. Even someone as awful as Kay Ivey. But isn’t it ironic that she governs a state where a lung cancer patient has the worst chance of recovery?

She has the wherewithall to go elsewhere to be treated.

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:03:27am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

The evolving media narrative that the pundits have deemed about day 1 of the impeachment hearings is that they are significant but boring/lacking pizzazz?

There’s so much bulkshit to unpack here, but let’s start with the indisputable fact that the Democrats have made a case that Trumpworld committed multiple federal felonies and the GOP doesn’t dispute the case on the facts or evidence, but rather obstructs, obfuscates, and engages in deflections, dodges, and spurious conspiracy theories to waste the time.

Media pundits want more excitement from the impeachment hearings?

The reality is that the evidence is so damning and overwhelming that the GOP don’t have a defense. They can only resort to smearing Schiff and the case and career diplomats who knew that Trumpworld was violating the law.

What’s worse is that the media is spewing the GOP talking points that the hearings are boring.

Fuck that. There’s nothing boring about identifying criminals and misconduct. That’s what we’ve learned from nearly 30 years of Law and Order, NCIS, etc.

What do we need? The Law and Order gong sound each time a crime is identified and we quick cut to Trump squirming?

If there were no crimes committed, Trump should allow all of his cronies to testify under oath.

As was pointed out to Jim Jordan, we could get first-hand testimony from Trump. All he needs to do is show up. But he wont. His lawyers know that it would put the nail in the coffin of his failed admin. If Democrats keep going after his ego, Trump might take the bait and disregard his lawyers.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:04:00am

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Newborn babies at a Pittsburgh hospital dressed up as Mister Rogers for Cardigan Day

cnn.com

That’s ADORABLE!!!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:04:27am

re: #143 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

She has the wherewithall to go elsewhere to be treated.

If living were a thing that money could buy,
You know the rich would live
And the poor would die,
All my trials Lord, soon be over

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Jay C  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:04:49am

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen nothing about him that suggests he belongs on the Intel Committee let alone to be Schiff’s counterpart on it. I mean yeah I don’t like Will Hurd but someone like him would actually make sense. Even that dipshit Radcliffe would too. But Devin Nunes?

Dunno: Cow Man Nunes is a holdover on the HPSCI from previous GOP-led Congresses, where he had been the Committee’s Chairman since 2015. Since he did his job adequately (mainly being a mindless Party hack, Trump-defender and ideological crank - he’s been the GOP’s point-man anti-environmentalist for years), I guess they figured they should just leave him in place. Not that the Republicans seem to give a flying about ANY Committee - or House process in general - when they’re in the Minority….

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:06:19am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:11:53am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:13:49am

re: #149 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
At the end of the article

“… Foreign business is not the only selling point the Trump Organization is highlighting to possible buyers. They’re also anticipating a boost to the hotel market from one company the president loves to hate, Amazon, whose CEO Jeff Bezos also owns the Washington Post.
One full page in the 46-page package promotes the benefits that may come from Amazon’s decision to build its second headquarters in northern Virginia. JLL projects that Amazon could add 880,000 room nights in seven years, “further driving compression,” or full occupancy, “to the lodging sector in Washington DC.” …”

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Stanley Sea  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:14:33am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:14:49am

See, the news isn’t all bad…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:19:00am

re: #151 Stanley Sea

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FNC really is getting more pathetic. How about actually talking about what they testified to or are the shitheads that run FNC too cowardly to bring that up because it might cast doubt in Dear Leader. These are two career diplomats whom unlike the hacks at FNC aren’t interested in an ideological agenda.

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jeffreyw  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:19:44am

re: #140 Dave In Austin

Morning all.
Wife and I got to a movie maybe every couple of years at this point. Both of us are big Action and SF fans.

We’re both ready for some Mr Rogers…….

What say you?

When aliens try to move in next door, he’s had just about enough.
Mr Rogers in “No More Mr Nice Guy”

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:19:47am

re: #142 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I haven’t gone to a movie since 2005 (LOTR: Return of the King).

Do they still let you smoke in the theaters? (JK)

They didn’t let you smoke in 2005.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:21:07am

“Convicted of a crime I didn’t even commit. Hah! Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?”

— Sideshow Bob, “The Simpsons,” Season Six, Episode Five, 1994

This rhetorical absurdity, originally intended as joke on a TV cartoon, is now being trotted out in all seriousness by the GOP. What New York magazine writer Jonathan Chait has called the “Sideshow Bob defense” has become central to Republican efforts to shield President Trump from accusations of wrongdoing. Because the Ukrainian quid pro quo was ultimately unsuccessful, the argument goes, no crime was committed, even if one was attempted. The editorial page of the Wall Street Journal wrote (apparently not joking): “Many people in the Administration opposed the Giuliani effort, including some in senior positions at the White House. This matters because it may turn out that while Mr. Trump wanted a quid-pro-quo policy ultimatum toward Ukraine, he was too inept to execute it.”
washingtonpost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:21:52am

re: #143 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

She has the wherewithall to go elsewhere to be treated.

Just like rich daughters have the means to travel out of state for their abortions…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:22:25am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

See, the news isn’t all bad…

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Disney+ does not work on my internet provider so I already dropped it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:23:01am

re: #155 Belafon

They didn’t let you smoke in 2005.

I remember lighting up a joint in the cinema at Indiana University in 1976 to the trippy scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:23:28am

re: #155 Belafon

They didn’t let you smoke in 2005.

And JK is ‘Just Kidding’

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:28:39am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

If living were a thing that money could buy,
You know the rich would live
And the poor would die,
All my trials Lord, soon be over

A new report estimates nearly 2,800 Floridians have died because the state did not expand Medicaid.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:28:56am

re: #158 Joe Bacon 🌹

Disney+ does not work on my internet provider so I already dropped it.

OK
re: #152 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

See, the news isn’t necessarily all bad for everyone

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:29:53am

re: #161 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A new report estimates nearly 2,800 Floridians have died because the state did not expand Medicaid.

The Tree of Free Enterprise must occasionally be watered with the blood of consumers!

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:31:56am

What we need is a John Oliver musical extravaganza production number summarizing the impeachment hearings.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:32:35am

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen nothing about him that suggests he belongs on the Intel Committee let alone to be Schiff’s counterpart on it. I mean yeah I don’t like Will Hurd but someone like him would actually make sense. Even that dipshit Radcliffe would too. But Devin Nunes?

Politics got nothing to do with smarts capabilities nor expertise

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:33:15am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:35:11am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still recall the halcyon days of a budget surplus under Clinton and Rush was explaining that it was immoral for the government to be collecting more money from us than it needed to operate.

Right
Don’t ever pay down the debt
Or save for future unplanned occurrences or
Or
Or

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:36:28am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Tree of Free Enterprise must occasionally be watered with the blood of consumers!

And then some sweat and tears to cover the warranty.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:36:29am

Do all of you generally accept this sentiment:

Watching the hearings today, I think they went a lot better than the Mueller hearings.

Dems learned a lot from the Mueller hearings.
•How to manage a hearing and prevent Republicans from doing crazy s-t
•The value of using a staff attorney
•How to plan out a series of questions that each member will ask, that fit into a coherent whole
•The importance of pre-screening the witness and planning out the questions
•The importance of a good and clear witness
•How to make questions clear and straightforward

the Mueller hearings may not have been that great… but it does look like the Dems learned a lot !

dailykos.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:38:29am

re: #168 Eventual Carrion

And then some sweat and tears to cover the warranty.

That’s the co-pay…

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jeffreyw  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:40:34am

Good morning!

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:40:37am

I’ve tried many federal criminal cases, and Wednesday’s hearing looked a lot like trials in which the prosecution has the defendant on tape admitting to a crime. When defense attorneys can’t mount a defense on the merits, they raise a lot of peripheral issues in the hope of convincing at least one juror that there is reasonable doubt.

So every time you heard the Republican’s designated counsel ask about Hunter Biden’s language skills or one of the Republican members of the Intelligence Committee ask whether the Obama administration sold Javelin missiles to Ukraine, what you were actually hearing was a defense attorney doing his level best to avoid talking about what his client said on tape. It was chaotic and often unfocused, though not always. In fact, there were moments when members actually executed their playbook with some skill.

But they simply can’t overcome the abundant evidence Democrats possess to prove their central point—that President Donald Trump conditioned military aid to Ukraine on a public announcement that his political rival, Joe Biden, was under investigation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:43:22am

re: #172 Belafon

I’ve tried many federal criminal cases, and Wednesday’s hearing looked a lot like trials in which the prosecution has the defendant on tape admitting to a crime. When defense attorneys can’t mount a defense on the merits, they raise a lot of peripheral issues in the hope of convincing at least one juror that there is reasonable doubt.

There will be no conviction unless the GOP-majority Senate has some major moral-civic epiphany, this trial is about presenting evidence to US voters in the hopes it will convince enough of them not to let DT back for a second term.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:47:43am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There will be no conviction unless the GOP-majority Senate has some major moral-civic epiphany, this trial is about presenting evidence to US voters in the hopes it will convince enough of them not to let DT back for a second term.

I fully expect McConnell to block the impeachment from ever taking place and he just needs a simple majority of the Communist Republicans to toss Roberts out of the chair. Of course he will give passes to wimps like Collins, Gardner and another one of his rubber stamps in a tight race (McSally)…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:49:55am

re: #164 The Pie Overlord!

What we need is a John Oliver musical extravaganza production number summarizing the impeachment hearings.

Tweet that shit to him! If they want circus, he would be a fabulous Caesar Flickerman!!

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:50:32am

This guy is really good.

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mmmirele  Nov 14, 2019 • 6:58:17am

Personal stuffs and suffs.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:00:54am

re: #177 mmmirele

Personal stuffs and suffs.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:14:09am
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CarolJ  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:18:48am

re: #104 Decatur Deb

I think that the Democrats will just split into two sane parties, both sane and diverse. One will take the Blue Democrats, the others Centrist to Left Democrats. So far it hasn’t happened because splitting would give openings to those terrible Republicans. But should the Republicans disappear, there could be a new party.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:18:54am

“This is even bigger than the president. This is an attempt to overthrow the federal government from the inside.”

Exactly the same rhetoric used to describe the Clinton impeachment?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:19:47am

re: #180 CarolJ

I think that the Democrats will just split into two sane parties, both sane and diverse. One will take the Blue Democrats, the others Centrist to Left Democrats. So far it hasn’t happened because splitting would give openings to those terrible Republicans. But should the Republicans disappear, there could be a new party.

Wishful thinking. Narrow-minded bigots will never go away. There will more likely be a QAnon Party by the end of the next decade…

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jeffreyw  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:23:48am
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CarolJ  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:24:04am

re: #105 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m not sure they can go back. The semi-rational Republican Party where they can work is gone. Unless they do a Soviet-style show trial confession, they will have little chance of working with the Trump Republican Party. And even then, as any member who has fled a cult realizes, there is no real coming back. The die-hards don’t trust them, and the habits of new independence unshakeable. When one has barfed up the Kool-Aid, one cannot drink it without gagging again.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:24:10am

Good morning Lizards!

I can’t wait for more Dems to join the race after suddenly realizing the fact now that Joe Biden is not a good campaigner! That being an epiphany just now is reason enough for derision to the Johnny-come-latelys . Sorry the billionaires haven’t found a candidate that will kiss their ass enough for their liking.

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CarolJ  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:26:20am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t think the people will go away, there are still Communist Party members after all. But such a party lacks the ability to relate to anyone who doesn’t worship Trump, or wants reality-based governing with results (especially good ones)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:28:01am

The current lead story on Google News’ curated impeachment coverage is from…Fox News:

CAREER DIPLOMATS WITHSTAND GRILLING AT PARTISAN IMPEACHMENT HEARING

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:28:55am

re: #184 CarolJ

I’m not sure they can go back. The semi-rational Republican Party where they can work is gone.

These are the “Don’t retreat, reload!” people. Any failure is due to other influences, not their own shortcomings.

They can only go farther down the rathole.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:31:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:33:11am
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CarolJ  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:33:40am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These are the “Don’t retreat, reload!” people. Any failure is due to other influences, not their own shortcomings.

They can only go farther down the rathole.

It’s not about their shortcomings. It’s that the people who would have worked with them before think of them as traitors, and lack even the basic grounding in reality for political success. One might as well yell at a door, than get these people to listen to any of the Never Trumper pundits and advisors.

The Republicans think of them as heretics, not merely people with differences of opinions that can be smoothed over with the restoration of the Republic. So there will be no clients to work with on the Republican side. Even those who might work with them will be cowed away from doing so.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:34:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:37:31am

moron is upset.

again

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:37:41am

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m now positive that people who claim to have seen aliens have actually just seen baby owls.

I can imagine having that reaction to stumbling across some of those in the dark…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:39:08am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is upset.

again

Ask Mitch to send you the stack of bills that the House has sent over that he has been sitting on…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:39:32am

re: #180 CarolJ

I think that the Democrats will just split into two sane parties, both sane and diverse. One will take the Blue Democrats, the others Centrist to Left Democrats. So far it hasn’t happened because splitting would give openings to those terrible Republicans. But should the Republicans disappear, there could be a new party.

In normal times, I would fall out of the Dems, to the left. These are not normal times, and I will never see normal times. Right now the only candidate criterion is electability—we must get rid of these fascist scum.

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Teukka  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:41:36am

re: #133 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:41:40am

Good morning from frigid western NY, where even county-level Republicans can’t resist the ol’ power grab. My home county elected its first Democratic county executive in a generation last week.

Guess what the R-controlled county legislature and the outgoing R county exec are trying to ram through before they leave office? A Wisconsin-style bill to limit the powers of the new D exec when he takes over.

I suspect the hands of ALEC at work behind the scenes, but I can’t prove it. And at least there’s a LOT of pushback because social media in town caught wind of this quickly.

13wham.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:43:03am

re: #196 Decatur Deb

In normal times, I would fall out of the Dems, to the left. These are not normal times, and I will never see normal times. Right now the only candidate criterion is electability—we must get rid of these fascist scum.

And to think that there were times when I at least considered voting for GOP candidates…

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Broad With Sass  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:45:14am

re: #16 Decatur Deb

Alabama governor Kay Ivey has announced she has lung cancer. Alabama is the worst state on record, if you contract lung cancer.

In Alabama, lung cancer patients have the greatest risk of death
al.com

Hells Bells my mom died from lung cancer in Alabama I really can’t click the link

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Teukka  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:49:35am

re: #197 Teukka

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:51:25am

So who was the whistleblower on this “Private” FB group?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2019 • 7:58:26am

re: #200 Broad With Sass

Hells Bells my mom died from lung cancer in Alabama I really can’t click the link

Sorry. The article is mostly a recap of statistical standings among the states. It follows long-known discussion of access and costs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:00:29am

Recanvass happening now in Kentucky.
No happiness for Bevin so far

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:03:03am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:03:19am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

Recanvass happening now in Kentucky.
No happiness for Bevin so far

Then on to plan B, start circulating rumors of “irregularities” and “voter fraud” among Democrats…

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Teukka  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:06:12am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So who was the whistleblower on this “Private” FB group?

Who knows?

The thing is, White Nationalism plays on Group/Collective Narcissism [TL;DR Narcissism where the narcissistic entity is the persons ingroup rather than the self], which leads to the same sorts of effects as plain vanilla garden variety narcissism.

One such effect is delusions of grandeur. They believe that they are so great actors that they try to infiltrate outgroup chats and fora, not realizing that the personas they create are based on their own prejudiced and stereotypical views of the outgroup that they stick out worse than a sore thumb to the members of the outgroup.

But their view of their ingroup is so inflated that they don’t understand that, but rather WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH and REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE about $oro$, Roth$child, Illuminati, Jew, or whatever snitches and moles ratting them out. Their inflated view of themselves also leads them into the delusion that there is no way the stupid outgroups could ever uncover them. Which, of course, means that their OpSec and InfoSec practices leave :cough: a lot :cough: to be desired…

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:08:48am

re: #205 lawhawk

I’m sure it was mentioned here yesterday. I was off book

If it’s a coup, see who benefits to figure out who’s behind it
(Ie Pence)

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Teukka  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:08:49am

re: #201 Teukka

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:09:00am

re: #198 i(m)p(each)sos

Good morning from frigid western NY, where even county-level Republicans can’t resist the ol’ power grab. My home county elected its first Democratic county executive in a generation last week.

Guess what the R-controlled county legislature and the outgoing R county exec are trying to ram through before they leave office? A Wisconsin-style bill to limit the powers of the new D exec when he takes over.

I suspect the hands of ALEC at work behind the scenes, but I can’t prove it. And at least there’s a LOT of pushback because social media in town caught wind of this quickly.

13wham.com

I read that over at Balloon Juice, from one of the posters there who lives in your district: balloon-juice.com

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:09:49am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:11:42am

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Then on to plan B, start circulating rumors of “irregularities” and “voter fraud” among Democrats…

they tried that yesterday; it did not go well.

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Teukka  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:13:22am

re: #209 Teukka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:13:50am

heh

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:15:12am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

they tried that yesterday; it did not go well.

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And those 2 mom’s children were not fathered by their respective husbands.

No proof of that, but by their figuring it is just as valid as their accusations. See how easy this is.

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:17:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:17:19am
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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:19:00am

Jury deliberations underway in the Stone trial, and it’s a good time to remind the studio audience that Trump was implicated in that case as well.

Read it all…

And there’s a good chance that the jury will return a verdict rather quickly seeing how Stone didn’t put up any defense witnesses and didn’t testify.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:20:03am
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Jay C  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:20:45am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not sure it’s going to be worth it for Bevin, or the KY GOP - who, IIRC, would have to pay for a formal “recount”. The re-canvass is just reviewing and re-confirming reported numbers: the way these things usually play out is that one finds a few arithmetical errors and/or mis-reports from a few precincts, but it’s really unlikely that it is going to make up a 5,000+ vote difference.

More probably that Bevin is just being Bevin - i.e. an asshole - and going through the motions so he can grudgingly give up the Governorship and crawl off to RW radio or wherever so he can spend his time tweeting out stupid shit about being “robbed” of the election….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:20:46am

I worry that we are living in a world where Tech companies will never really be held accountable, legally or otherwise, for the actions of the users of their services.

They just don’t give a shit and they’ve paid enough politicians to insulate themselves from any adverse consequences they may otherwise face.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:20:57am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:22:03am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

“male Asian suspect”

And heeeeere come the racists!

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Broad With Sass  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:24:11am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

I did click..and no shit they don’t do screening…Mom fell at the World’s Fair in TN…they thought they missed a rib fracture so a few weeks later they finally did the rib xray..no fracture just stage 4 lung cancer

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:24:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:24:29am

re: #221 Jay C

More probably that Bevin is just being Bevin - i.e. an asshole - and going through the motions so he can grudgingly give up the Governorship and crawl off to RW radio or wherever so he can spend his time tweeting out stupid shit about being “robbed” of the election….

yep, he has nothing to lose for being a dickhead

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:25:26am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:26:18am

re: #216 makeitstop

How do they know it wasn’t originally five?
Oh and ‘chilling’? What else were they gonna do? Build a raft and send ginger and Mary Ann for help?

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:26:21am

re: #224 Eclectic Cyborg

“male Asian suspect”

And heeeeere come the racists!

Too sad but too true. This “Asian’s” family could have been Americans longer than the idiots making racist comments family have been American.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:28:13am

re: #224 Eclectic Cyborg

“male Asian suspect”

And heeeeere come the racists!

“If you didn’t say anything about the Las Vegash shooting, you can just be quiet.”

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:30:23am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:31:43am

re: #231 Belafon

“If you didn’t say anything about the Las Vegash shooting, you can just be quiet.”

I don’t know a clip from a magazine so I’ll just sit here quietly

(Seriously though..we can’t normalize this. As daily an occurrence as it is)

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Jay C  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:32:33am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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If I were Blackii, I’d definitely demand a recount….

PS: Just for fun, I googled images for boobie ridge ky 42070 : man, I certainly got what I expected….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:36:28am
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gocart mozart  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:37:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:39:05am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:40:11am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:41:30am

Are there no public impeachment hearings today??

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:45:06am

re: #236 gocart mozart

Trent is going for winning every music award available, whether he wants ‘em or not.

He’s already got the Grammy and Oscar and Golden Globe.

Color me impressed when they bring The Downward Spiral to Broadway and he wins a Tony. /half… I’d pay good money to see that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:46:21am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:46:23am
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lizardofid  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:48:13am

Good morning everyone!

It probably just confirms my being out of touch, but I had never heard the story about Mary Steenburgen waking up from surgery with “her brain full of music”. Apparently it caused a total redirect in her life.

indiewire.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:48:24am

re: #242 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Just another day in the NRA’s America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:49:43am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:51:08am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The real do nothings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:54:01am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:54:58am
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BigPapa  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:55:26am

I just came here to say something something rabbit hole Trent Reznor country something something but there’s another shooting and right now is the time to talk gun control.

If I ever get shot like that I give full permission to carry my blown apart carcass up and down the House of Reps while the putrid stench of my decomp wafts through every NRA sycophants nostrils.

Have at it.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 8:58:32am

re: #233 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

I don’t know a clip from a magazine so I’ll just sit here quietly

(Seriously though..we can’t normalize this. As daily an occurrence as it is)

The quotes around the statement were supposed to imply I was talking about the racists who will be commenting. Sorry I didn’t make that clear.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:03:44am

re: #236 gocart mozart

How Reznor wins a CMA award:

The story of the unlikely dominance of “Old Town Road” has plenty of twists and turns on its way to the fastest Diamond certification from the RIAA (denoting the equivalent of 10 million total units sold in the U.S.) of any song in history. In 2018, then-19-year-old Lil Nas X dropped out of college to pursue a music career. In October of that year, he found the YoungKio-produced beat he’d eventually use for “Old Town Road” online and purchased the rights to use it for a whopping $30. Since the site on which it was purchased was anonymous, YoungKio didn’t even realize his beat had been used for the track until it started to go viral on social media, particularly Tik-Tok.

Soon after “Old Town Road” was released, Trent Reznor got a call from Lil Nas X’s manager regarding clearance for a sample used in the production. As it turned out, YoungKio had used a snippet of a banjo part from Nine Inch Nails’ “34 Ghosts IV”, which appeared on 2008’s Ghosts I-IV. Reznor gave his blessing to the track’s sample. Soon after, country music stalwart Billy Ray Cyrus appeared on a remix of the track, which would go on to become a global sensation despite being controversially removed from the Billboard “Hot Country Songs” chart for “not [embracing] enough elements of today’s country music.”

As Reznor told Rolling Stone in October, “The way it was presented to me originally is I got a call from my management saying, ‘We got a call from a panicked manager saying they had used the sample of something off Ghosts. They should have cleared it, but it didn’t get cleared. It’s picking up some steam on the viral Spotify charts. What do you think about that?’ And I said, ‘Look, I’m fine with it. I get how stuff goes. They’re not saying they didn’t sample it. Just work it out, but don’t be a roadblock to this.’ I hadn’t heard it yet. Then a few weeks later, I was like, ‘Holy shit.’”

“At first, when you hear your stuff turned into something else, it always feels awkward because it’s something that intimately came from you in some way,” Reznor explained. He did, however, note that the song was “undeniably hooky.”

liveforlivemusic.com

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:04:27am

I’d like to offer my heartfelt thoughts (“Fuck you, you evil fascist stooge!) and prayers:
Let their lying lips be silenced,
for with pride and contempt
they speak arrogantly against the righteous.
(Psalm 31:18)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:04:51am

Incoming GOP Thoughts and Prayers…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:06:55am

re: #252 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’d like to offer my heartfelt thoughts (“Fuck you, you evil fascist stooge!) and prayers:
Let their lying lips be silenced,
for with pride and contempt
they speak arrogantly against the righteous.
(Psalm 31:18)

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Bye snowflake.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:10:03am

re: #250 Belafon

The quotes around the statement were supposed to imply I was talking about the racists who will be commenting. Sorry I didn’t make that clear.

i knew what you meant
i probably should have quoted mine as well
i misuse quotes as much as sarc tags

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:15:03am

meanwhile, in good news

thegreatpoolpondconversion is getting 20 yards of lake sand delivered momentarily

another appx 55,000 pounds we’ll have to move wheelbarrow by wheelbarrow…

(whose idea was this?)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:15:44am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:17:23am

re: #256 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

meanwhile, in good news

thegreatpoolpondconversion is getting 20 yards of lake sand delivered momentarily

another appx 55,000 pounds we’ll have to move wheelbarrow by wheelbarrow…

(whose idea was this?)

Think what you’re saving on gym fees.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:17:54am

re: #251 Belafon

And this wasn’t Reznors first involvement with Country either. He (reluctantly at the time) agreed to allow his song “Hurt” to be covered by Johnny Cash about 15 years ago.

The result, and the the music video that went with it, is now considered one of the all time highlights of Country music.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:18:09am

re: #257 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This is significant. To reiterate, the fact that Trump and Sondland had an open line so Trump could get briefed every step of the way completely undercuts the GOP nonsense that the extortion piece of the plot was suddenly freelanced by Sondland.

This was Trump’s baby from the get-go. He is ready to ignore almost every other aspect of governing except strong-arming people to do what he wants.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:18:50am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:22:01am

re: #232 lawhawk

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Good, Pelosi understands you need to talk to this occupant of the oval office as if he were an 8 year old. Explain the big words to him.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:22:16am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This was Trump’s baby from the get-go. He is ready to ignore almost every other aspect of governing except strong-arming people to do what he wants.

Must read from TPM’s Josh Kovensky - a reporter for Talking Points Memo in New York City. He previously worked for the Kyiv Post in Ukraine, covering politics, business, and corruption there.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:24:20am

Live stream, Saugus high school shooting. Suspect is a student. Lockdown lifted for other schools.

nbcnews.com

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sagehen  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:25:03am

Assuming Roger Stone is convicted, would trial transcripts of testimony that contrasts with Trump’s written answers under oath on the same topic (and he’s said, on camera, that it wasn’t his lawyers writing those answers, he wrote them himself), add a perjury charge to the articles of impeachment? IIRC, Republicans in the Clinton impeachment seemed to think lying under oath was sort of a big deal…

//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:26:05am

re: #265 sagehen

Assuming Roger Stone is convicted, would trial transcripts of testimony that contrasts with Trump’s written answers under oath on the same topic (and he’s said, on camera, that it wasn’t his lawyers writing those answers, he wrote them himself), add a perjury charge to the articles of impeachment? IIRC, Republicans in the Clinton impeachment seemed to think lying under oath was sort of a big deal…

//

There is no way Trump could testify without contradicting either himself or other sworn testimony.

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:27:27am

re: #265 sagehen

Assuming Roger Stone is convicted, would trial transcripts of testimony that contrasts with Trump’s written answers under oath on the same topic (and he’s said, on camera, that it wasn’t his lawyers writing those answers, he wrote them himself), add a perjury charge to the articles of impeachment? IIRC, Republicans in the Clinton impeachment seemed to think lying under oath was sort of a big deal…

//

Speaking of which - what the hell is taking so long with these deliberations? The guy didn’t even present a defense, for cryin’ out loud.

Makes me a little nervous that they haven’t returned a verdict yet, TBH.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:28:04am

re: #265 sagehen

Assuming Roger Stone is convicted, would trial transcripts of testimony that contrasts with Trump’s written answers under oath on the same topic (and he’s said, on camera, that it wasn’t his lawyers writing those answers, he wrote them himself), add a perjury charge to the articles of impeachment? IIRC, Republicans in the Clinton impeachment seemed to think lying under oath was sort of a big deal…

//

It’s really up to the House leadership and committees dealing with impeachment. In a broad impeachment inquiry, sure, it ties in with the obstruction of justice narrative tied to the Mueller investigation. And as Pelosi said this morning, all roads lead to Putin, so it ties into the larger story as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:28:07am

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’d try it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:28:57am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is no way Trump could testify without contradicting either himself or other sworn testimony.

trump can’t spit out two sentences without contradicting himself.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:29:34am

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Nope

Chef Uses Molecular Gastronomy To Incredibly Bake A Clear Pumpkin Pie

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Mmm…I would totally try that…if it didn’t taste like pumpkin pie.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:30:05am

re: #268 makeitstop

Speaking of which - what the hell is taking so long with these deliberations? The guy didn’t even present a defense, for cryin’ out loud.

Makes me a little nervous that they haven’t returned a verdict yet, TBH.

They always say a quick verdict benefits the defense. So…

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plansbandc  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:30:46am

The trumpster contacts on my FB think that the R’s are destroying the Dems in the hearings. In particular, Gym has been devastatingly good and is making the Dems soil their shorts.

Also, Schiff is a bug-eyed freak and an idiot. The hearings are a sham because everything is hearsay and there’s no evidence of wrong doing. Annnd what the Dems are doing is illegal and they’re are just attacking tRump because they hate him. It is, in fact, a witch hunt.

Did you know that tRump has kept every single promise he’s made? Yep. The economy is perfect. Look at all he’s accomplished!! The leftists’ democrat party just can’t handle the truth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:33:49am

re: #271 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

trump can’t spit out two sentences without contradicting himself.

because he is used to nobody calling him out on it

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:34:28am

re: #274 plansbandc

So, no convincing them. And I’m pretty sure the economy tanking will be because the wall wasn’t built or something.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:36:40am

re: #252 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’d like to offer my heartfelt thoughts (“Fuck you, you evil fascist stooge!) and prayers:
Let their lying lips be silenced,
for with pride and contempt
they speak arrogantly against the righteous.
(Psalm 31:18)

[Embedded content]

Hope he can find a safe place from all those thugs murdering with their words.

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John Hughes  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:37:18am

re: #77 jaunte

He needs to read The Authoritarians.

Hell, everybody needs to read it.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:38:28am

re: #256 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

meanwhile, in good news

thegreatpoolpondconversion is getting 20 yards of lake sand delivered momentarily

another appx 55,000 pounds we’ll have to move wheelbarrow by wheelbarrow…

(whose idea was this?)

Yeah but when you’re all done you can sit back and say, “Damn every muscle I have hurts like hell!”.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:38:38am

re: #268 makeitstop

Speaking of which - what the hell is taking so long with these deliberations? The guy didn’t even present a defense, for cryin’ out loud.

Makes me a little nervous that they haven’t returned a verdict yet, TBH.

It would take only one trumpster on the jury to prevent a decision. That said, having been on a jury myself (for a ridiculous case that belonged before Judge Judy), we delayed reaching a final verdict so that we could get a free lunch. Of course, jury deliberations were immediately after a the brief trial and we were starving.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:40:22am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:40:57am

re: #271 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

trump can’t spit out two sentences without contradicting himself.

Weren’t his answers phrased in a way to prevent contradiction? For example, instead of saying “we did not talk”, his statement was “I do not recall any such conversation”.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:42:42am

re: #232 lawhawk

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This might be a little concern trolly on my part, but the concern with her statement is that it absolutely tees up their ability to yammer about “due process”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:43:42am

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m waiting on the Trump/Putin/Erdogan/KJU group shot.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:44:05am

re: #274 plansbandc

The trumpster contacts on my FB think that the R’s are destroying the Dems in the hearings. In particular, Gym has been devastatingly good and is making the Dems soil their shorts.

Also, Schiff is a bug-eyed freak and an idiot. The hearings are a sham because everything is hearsay and there’s no evidence of wrong doing. Annnd what the Dems are doing is illegal and they’re are just attacking tRump because they hate him. It is, in fact, a witch hunt.

Did you know that tRump has kept every single promise he’s made? Yep. The economy is perfect. Look at all he’s accomplished!! The leftists’ democrat party just can’t handle the truth.

Seeing the same. It amazes me how they have this separate reality.

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plansbandc  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:44:20am

re: #276 Belafon

Not gonna happen. These people are lost forever.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:45:00am

re: #283 Mike Lamb

This might be a little concern trolly on my part, but the concern with her statement is that it absolutely tees up their ability to yammer about “due process”.

We’re in the evidence gathering phase to convince a grand jury. It would be useful for him to present what he has to cast doubt on the need for a trial.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:45:45am
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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:45:53am

re: #283 Mike Lamb

This might be a little concern trolly on my part, but the concern with her statement is that it absolutely tees up their ability to yammer about “due process”.

Here’s the thing about arguing “due process” if you think the process isn’t fair, you need to be able to say what process you believe is “due” under the circumstances. If you say “we can’t present evidence” and the other side says “ok, come here and testify” and you say “fuck no” well then you don’t really have a due process argument. You have a tantrum.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:48:39am

re: #287 Belafon

We’re in the evidence gathering phase to convince a grand jury. It would be useful for him to present what he has to cast doubt on the need for a trial.

I fully understand where we are in the process. Right now, it isn’t about excupaltory evidence. It’s about whether there is probable cause that a crime occurred (using these terms more conversationally), with the ability to introduce exculpatory evidence in the Senate. But she’s walking into their talking points a bit with her phrasing.

(And as I said, I know this comes off a bit like a concern troll statement, but it just jumped out at me when I read her statement. I don’t have issues with how she’s been handling things, though).

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:49:10am

re: #258 Decatur Deb

Think what you’re saving on gym fees.

rough calculation, 125 wheelbarrow loads…

maybe we could get people to pay us to shovel and haul the sand around
a very new kind of workout, very exclusive, only one location, be the first!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:49:36am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Seeing the same. It amazes me how they have this separate reality.

Remember the inauguration crowd photos. That summed it up for me. One nation, two realities.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:50:05am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This was Trump’s baby from the get-go. He is ready to ignore almost every other aspect of governing except strong-arming people to do what he wants.

as this drip drip drips he will not get away with reagan’s “i had no idea what was going on under my nose)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:51:17am

re: #292 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember the inauguration crowd photos. That summed it up for me. One nation, two realities.

Yep.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:51:36am

re: #290 Mike Lamb

I fully understand where we are in the process. Right now, it isn’t about excupaltory evidence. It’s about whether there is probable cause that a crime occurred (using these terms more conversationally), with the ability to introduce exculpatory evidence in the Senate. But she’s walking into their talking points a bit with her phrasing.

(And as I said, I know this comes off a bit like a concern troll statement, but it just jumped out at me when I read her statement. I don’t have issues with how she’s been handling things, though).

Not really. The only thing preventing Trump and other administration officials from testifying is… Trump. If they had evidence that benefited them, that proved there’s no impeachable conduct, they could testify to such. Hell, Trump himself could testify before Congress (Ford did this regarding the Nixon pardons). If anything, she’s calling their bluff because she knows - like anyone who has paid attention to this investigation knows - they have nothing because they are guilty as fucking fuck.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:51:43am

re: #292 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember the inauguration crowd photos. That summed it up for me. One nation, two realities.

Trump will probably go nuts when he sees the inauguration crowd for the next Democratic President.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:51:47am

re: #262 Eventual Carrion

Good, Pelosi understands you need to talk to this occupant of the oval office as if he were an 8 year old. Explain the big words to him.

…and everybody else

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:52:23am

re: #289 KGxvi

Here’s the thing about arguing “due process” if you think the process isn’t fair, you need to be able to say what process you believe is “due” under the circumstances. If you say “we can’t present evidence” and the other side says “ok, come here and testify” and you say “fuck no” well then you don’t really have a due process argument. You have a tantrum.

Seriously, they can’t cry about what Taylor and Kent testified to and then be totally okay with Trump not allowing Mulvaney and Pompeo to testify.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:53:11am

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump will probably go nuts when he sees the inauguration crowd for the next Democratic President.

If he were to go on trial for his crimes, it would be the most covered trial in history. And we know how much he loves his ratings.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:53:22am

re: #256 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

meanwhile, in good news

thegreatpoolpondconversion is getting 20 yards of lake sand delivered momentarily

another appx 55,000 pounds we’ll have to move wheelbarrow by wheelbarrow…

(whose idea was this?)

So when my daughter was in the local Kindergarten, they got a truckload of sand delivered to the front of the property. But the sand pit was at the back, so they called on parents to come help wheelbarrow the sand to the back of the lot.

Three years later, our younger daughters were attending the same Kindergarten and they got another truckload of sand delivered. I came to realize that in the course of that time, an entire truckload of sand had been taken out in small increments in kids’ shoes, pockets, trouser cuffs, hair, nostrils, etc…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:53:44am

re: #259 Eclectic Cyborg

And this wasn’t Reznors first involvement with Country either. He (reluctantly at the time) agreed to allow his song “Hurt” to be covered by Johnny Cash about 15 years ago.

The result, and the the music video that went with it, is now considered one of the all time highlights of Country music.

I admit to being no fan of country music, but if I’d written a song at some point and then later got a call from my agent that Johnny Cash wanted to cover it, I’d have considered that the greatest honor imaginable.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:53:48am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:54:13am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is no way Trump could testify without contradicting either himself or other sworn testimony.

his written answers to mueller

clinton only lied to a grand jury
trump’s is multi levels higher
he lied directly to the special counsel under his own DOJ

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:54:17am

re: #291 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

rough calculation, 125 wheelbarrow loads…

maybe we could get people to pay us to shovel and haul the sand around
a very new kind of workout, very exclusive, only one location, be the first!

I’ve actually thought of setting up an “exercise” place along those lines. Have a place that really is a place for building things like furniture or cabinets or other stuff. Have all of the equipment and some people to help. And charge them to be busy. If they want to build something for themselves, they can pay for the additional materials. But the place will have projects being worked on, and they can contribute to that.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:54:25am

Whoa…

Ever wanted to work on a Star Trek TV show?

(Okay, all of you raised your hands immediately. Should have seen that coming.)

In Star Trek: Discovery, Sylvia Tilly works super-hard to get herself into the Command Training Program, which eventually will set her up on the road to becoming a starship captain. Now, CBS and the Star Trek franchise are bringing that concept into the real world, by announcing the Command Training Program: a paid internship program.

The New Star Trek TV Shows Are Hiring Paid Interns for the Job of a Lifetime

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:54:58am
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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:55:22am

re: #295 KGxvi

guilty as fucking fuck.

Ooooh, lawyer talk in the morning.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:55:35am

re: #301 Dr Lizardo

I admit to being no fan of country music, but if I’d written a song at some point and then later got a call from my agent that Johnny Cash wanted to cover it, I’d have considered that the greatest honor imaginable.

“My first answer is yes, he’s Johnny Cash, of course he can cover my song. Secondly, when can I meet him?” Honestly, I love what Johnny did at the end of his career covering other songs and putting his own take on them. He had a nice version of Redemption Song too.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:56:19am

re: #284 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m waiting on the Trump/Putin/Erdogan/KJU/Xi/MBS group shot.

FTFY

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:56:46am

re: #274 plansbandc

The trumpster contacts on my FB think that the R’s are destroying the Dems in the hearings. In particular, Gym has been devastatingly good and is making the Dems soil their shorts.

Also, Schiff is a bug-eyed freak and an idiot. The hearings are a sham because everything is hearsay and there’s no evidence of wrong doing. Annnd what the Dems are doing is illegal and they’re are just attacking tRump because they hate him. It is, in fact, a witch hunt.

Did you know that tRump has kept every single promise he’s made? Yep. The economy is perfect. Look at all he’s accomplished!! The leftists’ democrat party just can’t handle the truth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:57:08am

re: #259 Eclectic Cyborg

And this wasn’t Reznors first involvement with Country either. He (reluctantly at the time) agreed to allow his song “Hurt” to be covered by Johnny Cash about 15 years ago.

The result, and the the music video that went with it, is now considered one of the all time highlights of Country music.

That Johnny Cash version is total fucking goosebumps stuff…

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:58:02am

re: #279 Eventual Carrion

Yeah but when you’re all done you can sit back and say, “Damn every muscle I have hurts like hell!”.

and we do many sundays
and it is all so well worth it

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:58:07am

re: #305 William Lewis

College students. I am sad.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:58:24am

re: #307 wrenchwench

Ooooh, lawyer talk in the morning.

Sorry, sometimes I slip into technical legal jargon.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:59:08am

re: #311 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That Johnny Cash version is total fucking goosebumps stuff…

I always looked at is as Johnny’s farewell to the world. Man I miss him. There are so many great artists that I wish were still with us that have left us in my lifetime: Johnny comes to mind but also George Harrison, Joe Strummer, David Bowie, and I know I’m missing more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:59:30am

re: #310 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

what a perforated amphora!

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 9:59:32am

re: #301 Dr Lizardo

I admit to being no fan of country music, but if I’d written a song at some point and then later got a call from my agent that Johnny Cash wanted to cover it, I’d have considered that the greatest honor imaginable.

Ken Burn’s piece on country music actually talked about that. The guy who helped Cash do that album and a previous one had been known for doing albums for some rock musicians, and so people on the country side thought it was a goofy thing for someone like Cash to do. And the first album didn’t really get much attention. But, as was stated, Hurt just blew everyone away.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:00:31am

re: #311 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That Johnny Cash version is total fucking goosebumps stuff…

Simply one of the greatest covers ever.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:01:16am

re: #317 Belafon

Ken Burn’s piece on country music actually talked about that. The guy who helped Cash do that album and a previous one had been known for doing albums for some rock musicians, and so people on the country side thought it was a goofy thing for someone like Cash to do. And the first album didn’t really get much attention. But, as was stated, Hurt just blew everyone away.

Rick Rubin is who I think you’re talking about.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:01:30am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I always looked at is as Johnny’s farewell to the world. Man I miss him. There are so many great artists that I wish were still with us that have left us in my lifetime: Johnny comes to mind but also George Harrison, Joe Strummer, David Bowie, and I know I’m missing more.

Johnny Cash & Joe Strummer - Redemption Song

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:01:35am

re: #288 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

this is what i was talking about yesterday
finding out my doctor is a ham radio ace
or that some of you have lives and issues far beyond lgf and the internet (gasp)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:01:38am

re: #318 Dr Lizardo

Simply one of the greatest covers ever.

He made it his own.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:02:08am

re: #320 William Lewis

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Two of the greatest ever at their craft.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:03:16am

Gene Clark is a guy I’ve sort of discovered lately. I’ve always liked The Byrds but I hadn’t listened to Gene’s stuff he did outside of them and it’s quite good. I still can’t tell you if I like the Gram style Byrds that has more country or the McQuinn that is more folk style. Both were great.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:03:26am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Two of the greatest ever at their craft.

They should have recorded as Johnny Clash… ;)

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:03:48am

re: #322 HappyWarrior

He made it his own.

Oh, definitely. IIRC, Trent Reznor remarked, “That’s not my song anymore” or something to that effect.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:04:40am

re: #318 Dr Lizardo

Simply one of the greatest covers ever.

I think the best covers take a song from one genre and give it a make over in another. That’s what Cash did with Hurt, it went from a hard alt rock song to a (acoustic?) country song.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:04:41am

re: #325 William Lewis

They should have recorded as Johnny Clash… ;)

Man that would have been perfect. Hopefully that’s happening in the great recording studio in the sky. That’s the kind of thing that makes me wanna believe.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:04:52am

re: #326 Dr Lizardo

Oh, definitely. IIRC, Trent Reznor remarked, “That’s not my song anymore” or something to that effect.

Yeah something like that.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:05:03am

re: #290 Mike Lamb

I fully understand where we are in the process. Right now, it isn’t about excupaltory evidence. It’s about whether there is probable cause that a crime occurred (using these terms more conversationally), with the ability to introduce exculpatory evidence in the Senate. But she’s walking into their talking points a bit with her phrasing.

(And as I said, I know this comes off a bit like a concern troll statement, but it just jumped out at me when I read her statement. I don’t have issues with how she’s been handling things, though).

what you say is all true

and it’s still a political process as much as a legal one.
the R’s bloviating and grandstanding won’t affect the legality of the case
while yes some of the D’s posturing might affect some public opinion

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:06:11am

re: #327 KGxvi

I think the best covers take a song from one genre and give it a make over in another. That’s what Cash did with Hurt, it went from a hard alt rock song to a (acoustic?) country song.

IMO if you stick with the cover in the same genre, sometimes it ends up sounding like really good karaoke but if you do a new take on it, you can give it an entirely new sound. Here’s a nice example. Milk Carton Kids doing Pink Floyd.

The Milk Carton Kids - “Wish You Were Here” (Pink Floyd)

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:06:21am

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump will probably go nuts when he sees the inauguration crowd for the next Democratic President.

i dare him to tweet “mine was bigger”

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:07:03am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Seriously, they can’t cry about what Taylor and Kent testified to and then be totally okay with Trump not allowing Mulvaney and Pompeo to testify.

they can and they’re gonna try

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:07:11am

Here’s a couple of more delights from both of them…

Joe Strummer “Walk on the wild side”

Johnny Cash-The_Man_Comes Around

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:07:33am

re: #301 Dr Lizardo

I admit to being no fan of country music, but if I’d written a song at some point and then later got a call from my agent that Johnny Cash wanted to cover it, I’d have considered that the greatest honor imaginable.

Agreed, though Reznor ultimately thought the Cash version kicked serious ass. From the Wikipedia entry on the song:

When Reznor was asked if Cash could cover his song, Reznor said he was “flattered” but worried that “the idea sounded a bit gimmicky.” He became a fan of Cash’s version, however, once he saw the music video.

“I pop the video in, and wow… Tears welling, silence, goose-bumps… Wow. [I felt like] I just lost my girlfriend, because that song isn’t mine anymore… It really made me think about how powerful music is as a medium and art form. I wrote some words and music in my bedroom as a way of staying sane, about a bleak and desperate place I was in, totally isolated and alone. [Somehow] that winds up reinterpreted by a music legend from a radically different era/genre and still retains sincerity and meaning - different, but every bit as pure.”

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:07:50am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

Rick Rubin is who I think you’re talking about.

Yeah.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:07:51am

re: #333 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

they can and they’re gonna try

Oh yeah. I don’t think they’re going to succeed outside the FNC/Trump is never wrong echo chamber though.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:09:29am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So when my daughter was in the local Kindergarten, they got a truckload of sand delivered to the front of the property. But the sand pit was at the back, so they called on parents to come help wheelbarrow the sand to the back of the lot.

Three years later, our younger daughters were attending the same Kindergarten and they got another truckload of sand delivered. I came to realize that in the course of that time, an entire truckload of sand had been taken out in small increments in kids’ shoes, pockets, trouser cuffs, hair, nostrils, etc…

yeah
but also wind and maybe some percolation into the soil under…
same with horse paddocks - (what, did they eat the stuff?)

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sagehen  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:12:17am

re: #304 Belafon

I’ve actually thought of setting up an “exercise” place along those lines. Have a place that really is a place for building things like furniture or cabinets or other stuff. Have all of the equipment and some people to help. And charge them to be busy. If they want to build something for themselves, they can pay for the additional materials. But the place will have projects being worked on, and they can contribute to that.

It’s called “Habitat for Humanity.”

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:12:46am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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this is a perfect example

it’s all posturing

since we all know most if not all the WB statements have been independently corroborated, there’s no putting this back in the bottle

doesnt affect what eventual article of impeachment look like
or what happens at the trial
there’s no ‘admissability’ rule or poisonous tree

the process will go forward

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:13:54am

re: #339 sagehen

It’s called “Habitat for Humanity.”

Which would be fine, but I would need to show up for about 30 mintes to an hour, 3 or more times a week, when I get off work or late in the evening, and it would need to be relatively close.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:14:08am

re: #288 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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My good friends father-in-law helps out at a model train shoppe here in our county seat. He is friends with the owner (drummer for the band “The Clark’s”). So I could see Rod liking the relaxation of model train building.

Also works as a tie in with Trent Reznor as The Clark’s have worked with Trent on a couple occasions. Trent grew up between my hometown and the county seat, so was another local boy. And dad still has a Reznor heater in his pole barn. Trent’s relatives no longer own the factory, but the owners still use the name.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:16:05am

Neil Young is huge into model trains, too.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:16:54am

re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

what a perforated amphora!

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oh yeah. that’s what i was going for ;-)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:16:58am

I’m not really familiar with Trent’s music but he’s from the same part of Pennsylvania where my father’s maternal grandfather was born. Pap Pap wasn’t there long though. Was in his father’s hometown of then Allegheny City by his first appearance in a census record. I have no idea what brought his father to Mercer County but I see it’s in the Youngstown metro area and there’s some evidence that suggests Pap Pap’s mother was from Youngstown though I have nothing on her before 1870.

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:18:02am

re: #336 Belafon

Yeah.

Rubin gets around. He made his bones producing the Beastie Boys, but he went way beyond that genre. Just take a look at this roster.

Along with Russell Simmons, he is the co-founder of Def Jam Recordings and also established American Recordings. With the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Geto Boys, and Run-DMC, Rubin helped popularize hip hop music. Rubin has also worked with artists from other genres such as Adele, Linkin Park, AC/DC, Kanye West, Johnny Cash, Justin Timberlake, Metallica, Slayer, System of A Down, Rage Against The Machine, Suitors of Penelope, Limp Bizkit, and Slipknot amongst others.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:19:02am

re: #343 Barefoot Grin

Neil Young is huge into model trains, too.

Ringo Starr too. When I was a little kid. We had an old Lionel train. I always insisted that we have it go around the base of the Christmas Tree. Was really happy to see last Christmas that my brother wanted to do the same for my niece with the tree and a train..

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sagehen  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:20:04am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

Rick Rubin is who I think you’re talking about.

Co-founder of DefJam, produced Beastie Boys, Run-DMC, LL Cool J.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:20:45am

re: #348 sagehen

Co-founder of DefJam, produced Beastie Boys, Run-DMC, LL Cool J.

Yep.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:21:01am

“We haven’t heard from the President yet….”

And you won’t Ali…. it’s California.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:22:15am

re: #350 Dave In Austin

“We haven’t heard from the President yet….”

And you won’t Ali…. it’s California.

If we do, it will be an attack on Governor Newsom, Speaker Pelosi, and Rep Schiff.

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stpaulbear  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:22:23am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Gene Clark is a guy I’ve sort of discovered lately. I’ve always liked The Byrds but I hadn’t listened to Gene’s stuff he did outside of them and it’s quite good. I still can’t tell you if I like the Gram style Byrds that has more country or the McQuinn that is more folk style. Both were great.

Congats on discovering Gene Clark! He had a lot of trouble getting along with record execs so his ouput is pretty disjointed, but he was recording country rock before The Byrds got there. Go look for “The Fantastic Adventures of Dillard and Clark. That may be his best album, along with “No Other”.

He died very young due to the effects of heavy drinking.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:22:42am

re: #334 William Lewis

Here’s a couple of more delights from both of them…

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Video

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walk on the wild side made me have to play this

YouTube

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:24:17am

re: #353 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

walk on the wild side made me have to play this

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Video

Originalist.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:24:25am

re: #274 plansbandc

The trumpster contacts on my FB think that the R’s are destroying the Dems in the hearings. In particular, Gym has been devastatingly good and is making the Dems soil their shorts.

Also, Schiff is a bug-eyed freak and an idiot. The hearings are a sham because everything is hearsay and there’s no evidence of wrong doing. Annnd what the Dems are doing is illegal and they’re are just attacking tRump because they hate him. It is, in fact, a witch hunt.

Did you know that tRump has kept every single promise he’s made? Yep. The economy is perfect. Look at all he’s accomplished!! The leftists’ democrat party just can’t handle the truth.

Sounds just like my family. They worship God’s Anointed King!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:24:55am

re: #352 stpaulbear

Congats on discovering Gene Clark! He had a lot of trouble getting along with record execs so his ouput is pretty disjointed, but he was recording country rock before The Byrds got there. Go look for “The Fantastic Adventures of Dillard and Clark. That may be his best album, along with “No Other”.

He died very young due to the effects of heavy drinking.

I did discover Dillard and Clark too. I really like this one.

Polly

Such a beautiful song.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:26:24am

re: #343 Barefoot Grin

Neil Young is huge into model trains, too.

as is James May

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stpaulbear  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:26:31am

re: #352 stpaulbear

Gah. It’s “Expeditions”, not “Adventures”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:26:56am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Gene Clark is a guy I’ve sort of discovered lately. I’ve always liked The Byrds but I hadn’t listened to Gene’s stuff he did outside of them and it’s quite good. I still can’t tell you if I like the Gram style Byrds that has more country or the McQuinn that is more folk style. Both were great.

yes, I remember hearing this piece on an underground FM station in Chicago as a teenager, and only recently discovered who it was

Gene Clark - No Other

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:33:42am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

Ringo Starr too. When I was a little kid. We had an old Lionel train. I always insisted that we have it go around the base of the Christmas Tree. Was really happy to see last Christmas that my brother wanted to do the same for my niece with the tree and a train..

i’ve got my dad’s lionel train set from the 1930s. in some of the original boxes too

i think if we plugged that transformer in we’d take down the power grid

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2019 • 10:33:52am

re: #353 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

walk on the wild side made me have to play this

[Embedded content]

Video

He hired the most badass pair of rock guitarists for that band - Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner. Those guys ghosted guitar parts for everyone from Aerosmith and Peter Gabriel to Alice Cooper. They were both in one lineup of Coop’s band.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 14, 2019 • 11:50:03am

Live updates: Second official overheard Trump’s call with E.U. envoy

The president’s assessment came a day after a historic open hearing in which two career diplomats expressed concerns about the Trump’s actions regarding Ukraine.

Read in The Washington Post: apple.news

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 14, 2019 • 12:37:57pm

re: #291 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

rough calculation, 125 wheelbarrow loads…

maybe we could get people to pay us to shovel and haul the sand around
a very new kind of workout, very exclusive, only one location, be the first!

Should get them to whitewash your fence too while you’re at it.


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