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Ace Rothstein  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:43:51am

FUCK TRUMP.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:44:39am

Shorter Nunes: I’m not obstruction of justice! You’re obstruction of justice!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:46:10am

Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:46:53am

I almost feel sorry for the GOP that Devin Nunes is Adam Schiff’s counterpart. But I really don’t. Not at all.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:46:57am

q: “why didnt all this simply go through amb yovanovich?”

and gasp - someone running for president got smeared

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:47:03am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Money can’t buy brains. But it can buy you an ambassadorship.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:47:44am

“I’ll try to not use all that time as a courtesy to you” (and you’re fucking killing us!)

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:47:50am
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:48:03am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

I feel sorry for his mom and his cow.

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:48:34am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.

He and Nunes talking is the Battle of the Network Jackasses.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:50:02am

he keeps referencing “all three of us”
there’s your ‘parallel’

again- if this was all on the up and up , why didnt this simply go through the ukranian ambassador’s office?

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:50:31am

Nunes is going off about how Trump doesn’t like foreign aid, doesn’t like spending on NATO.

So yeah, we’re getting a laundry list of how Trump is fucking up our foreign policy and national security? Yeah, that’s it.

Nunes is done mercifully quickly - because he had nothing, and couldn’t do anything with the testimony provided.

Talk to Rudy…. Rudy was Trump’s guy, and if you want to deal with Ukraine, you’d need to coordinate there.

But everything goes and flows from Trump.

So, bottom line - Trump is implicated, Rudy’s implicated. Pompeo, Perry, and Pence are all implicated.

And Castor has nothing other than reminding everyone that there’s all these folks involved in this criminal conspiracy.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:50:32am

re: #7 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

“I’ll try to not use all that time as a courtesy to you” (and you’re fucking killing us!)

cause i cant fill up 33 minutes

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Mescalero09  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:50:38am

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:50:39am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.

So was Sammy the Bull, but he still helped put Gotti’s ass in prison.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:50:53am

Sondland again reminds everyone that there’s a call that State wont provide details for.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:53:14am

re: #15 NO SMOCKING GUN!

So was Sammy the Bull, but he still helped put Gotti’s ass in prison.

It’s not good people that will solely bring Trump down.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:53:43am

in this call that castor is referring to trump says no quid pro quo AND THEN GOES ON TO SAY just make sure zelinsky does this for us

they keep leaving out the second part

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:54:11am

Thank you, Steve, for giving us an idea that Holmes would appear credible.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:54:56am

i wish sondland would stop shaking his head

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:55:05am

re: #18 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

“Tell Zelinsky to do the right thing.”

“What’s that; be specific.”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:55:25am
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:58:01am

Why does Trump crayon in all-caps but small cases “i”?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:58:02am

Sondland has a really Tim Curry-esque grin going on here.

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bratwurst  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:58:42am

In other news, looking more and more like a THIRD Israeli election in less than a year is on its way:

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Mescalero09  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:58:49am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.

He’s a major donor to Trump. Bought a position of power from Trump. As crooked as Trump. But he’s not going under the bus. Or should I say, he’s preempting the possibility that he gets thrown under the bus.
Right now, he’s driving the bus.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:59:18am

Thanks Dev, fantastic interjection there.

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 9:59:20am

“Why didn’t Shitty Schiff let us blow the whistleblower’s cover?”

DRINK!

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:00:31am

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:02:22am

re: #25 bratwurst

My understanding is that Rivlin would open it up to any member of knesset to form a govt and if that fails within 30 days, then new elections are called.

The shitshow there continues.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:03:58am
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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:04:08am

Castor looks completely flummoxed.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:05:00am

re: #27 Mike Lamb

Thanks Dev, fantastic interjection there.

What? Everything the wb had to say was hearsay — no direct knowledge whatsoever. I thought that the GOP was against hearsay evidence.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:05:22am

re: #31 Scottish Dragon

Are they back to complaining about the cost of the investigations?

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:05:45am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:05:48am
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bratwurst  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:06:10am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.

Some are calling him a “true believer”. This is not accurate, he cancelled a fundraiser for Trump after he shat upon the gold star Khan family in the summer of 2016. He only came back on board once Trump had won, and he took a chance to buy an ambassadorship by forking over a million dollars to Trump’s slushy inauguration fund.

He is doing the right thing today, but he is clearly an opportunist jackass who previously lied under oath.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:06:23am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:06:26am

re: #32 BeachDem

Castor looks completely flummoxed castorated.

I just made a word.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:06:32am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

That’s why every election matters. This isn’t where we are if the R’s still control the House.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:06:42am

re: #35 Scottish Dragon

Wow. That’s something.

This infrastructure week is lit, yo.

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:07:22am

re: #32 BeachDem

Castor looks completely flummoxed.

Because he is. These guys have been totally thrown off what little game they might have had, and all they’ve got left is niggling over dates and times and conspiracy theories.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:07:44am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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LMAO every time Nunes tries to get crafty and out the whistleblower. He’s a real Machiavelli, that one.

He’s more like a mac ‘n cheesy.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:07:48am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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The funny part was how clearly self-pleased he was with his interjection.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:07:57am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:09:06am

re: #37 bratwurst

Some are calling him a “true believer”. This is not accurate, he cancelled a fundraiser for Trump after he shat upon the gold star Khan family in the summer of 2016. He only came back on board once Trump had won, and he took a chance to buy an ambassadorship by forking over a million dollars to Trump’s slushy inauguration fund.

He is doing the right thing today, but he is clearly an opportunist jackass who previously lied under oath.

He’s a cynical bastard like pretty much everyone who works for Trump.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:09:20am

Welp. When it rains it pours.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:09:55am

Obviously I’m glad that Sondland is testifying against Trump. But it was never going to be good guys alone that will bring down Trump. One can appreciate what Sondland is doing and still think he’s an ass.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:10:14am

re: #35 Scottish Dragon

sounds hard to believe. That Starr would say that on Faux.

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Mescalero09  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:10:14am

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:10:26am

re: #35 Scottish Dragon

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Amory Blaine  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:10:32am

Wherever there’s corruption, we’ll be there (committing it).

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:10:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:11:40am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Obviously I’m glad that Sondland is testifying against Trump. But it was never going to be good guys alone that will bring down Trump. One can appreciate what Sondland is doing and still think he’s an ass.

It’s a crafty spin, to make it look like Sondland is some sort of crypto-never-Trumper, even after donating a million to his inauguration and accepting an ambassadorship from him…

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Teukka  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:11:46am

re: #45 Scottish Dragon

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Devin “Y. Lee” Nunes?

:runs for cover:

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:12:24am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:12:33am

re: #49 Sir John Barron

sounds hard to believe. That Starr would say that on Faux.

I posted the video.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:12:48am

re: #47 The Pie Overlord!

And like that, the race to see who gets indicted first just had Bibi jump out to a lead, and you know that everyone in Israel is wondering what took so long, and why this didn’t come sooner, and whether this is going to be politicially motivated to get a coalition govt in place without resorting to yet another election that doesn’t result in a plurality party that can form a coalition govt.

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Mescalero09  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:12:58am
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Nyet  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:12:59am

re: #1 Ace Rothstein

FUCK TRUMP.

No, thanks. But I also can’t say outloud what should be really done to Trump…

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:13:47am

And in other news…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:14:33am

re: #61 makeitstop

And in other news…

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Quick, how can we blame Meaghan Markle for this!

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Amory Blaine  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:15:09am

Pence is in Green Bay today.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:15:12am

re: #51 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Just to clarify, Ken Starr said that Schiff’s position is that Sondland provided evidence the President committed bribery. Starr didn’t say that was his own position.

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Mescalero09  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:15:15am

re: #61 makeitstop

Updating his hotel itineraries I presume.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:15:17am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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You know this is going into a comic speech bubble from the Crimson Skull…

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:15:34am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:15:41am

re: #60 Nyet

No, thanks. But I also can’t say outloud what should be really done to Trump…

I’ll settle for life in prison. 15 minutes in a room with the women he raped, them armed with rusty knives, would be good too.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:16:24am

lol, methinks Sconland doesn’t really need to take a flight back to Brussels. He might have before his testimony started…

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:16:34am

Jesus, that clip of Trump screaming. Dude’s gonna pop a vein.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:18:29am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Obviously I’m glad that Sondland is testifying against Trump. But it was never going to be good guys alone that will bring down Trump. One can appreciate what Sondland is doing and still think he’s an ass.

Yep. Bad guys are seldom brought down by the testimony of good guys — it’s usually a bad guy who’s turned state evidence.

This is what happens when you appoint someone with no credentials to an important position. Ambassador to Luxembourg would have been a more appropriate assignment especially if you didn’t try to make him simultaneously in “charge” of Ukraine policy.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:18:40am

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

Just to clarify, Ken Starr said that Schiff’s position is that Sondland provided evidence the President committed bribery. Starr didn’t say that was his own position.

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Kind of like “asking for a friend.” Wish more Fox News analysts had the guts to speak frankly like Napolitano does.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:19:43am

re: #72 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Kind of like “asking for a friend.” Wish more Fox News analysts hadvthe guts to speak frankly like Napolitano does.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it.”

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:19:59am

Two Fox chyrons I saw getting lunch:

First:
Sondland: Around August 11 we were talking about investigations and the 2016 election.

Second:
Trump: Sondland I didn’t really know very well but he seems like a nice guy.

The last one made me laught out loud.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:20:43am

re: #71 Hecuba’s daughter

Yep. Bad guys are seldom brought down by the testimony of good guys — it’s usually a bad guy who’s turned state evidence.

This is what happens when you appoint someone with no credentials to an important position. Ambassador to Luxembourg would have been a more appropriate assignment especially if you didn’t try to make him simultaneously in “charge” of Ukraine policy.

No credentialed diplomat would’ve cooperated in Trump’s drug deal.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:21:01am

re: #72 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Kind of like “asking for a friend.” Wish more Fox News analysts hadvthe guts to speak frankly like Napolitano does.

Isn’t Napolitano the only Fox attorney interested in preserving his credibility among serious lawyers?

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Amory Blaine  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:22:18am

The Apprentice: Attica Edition

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:22:21am

re: #69 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

lol, methinks Sconland doesn’t really need to take a flight back to Brussels. He might have before his testimony started…

Hey, they might have completed work on the second kitchen and he has to sign off—you don’t know!
//

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:23:29am

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t Napolitano the only Fox attorney interested in preserving his credibility among serious lawyers?

I don’t know; but from what I’ve seen he hasn’t tried to spin or sugarcoat Trump’s drug deal in anyway.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:23:57am

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t Napolitano the only Fox attorney interested in preserving his credibility among serious lawyers?

I think so.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:24:26am

re: #79 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I don’t know; but from what I’ve seen he hasn’t tried to spin or sugarcoat Trump’s drug deal in anyway.

He is the only one on FOX who seems actually independent.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:24:29am

re: #51 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Didn’t someone say in the last thread that Starr was saying that’s Schiff’s position, or was that about something else?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:24:36am

Bolton’s belief that he could stay above the fray and hint that he could deliver the knockout blow if only the court rules he has to testify is taking a real beating. He’s going to find himself thoroughly underbussed* and if he DOESN’T testify the bus will run over him, back up over him, and run him over again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:25:36am

re: #52 Amory Blaine

Wherever there’s corruption, we’ll be there (committing it).

corruption: we’re behind it!!!

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Mescalero09  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:25:56am

I gots to go a bit. Later lizards. From yesterday……Imagine today…..at 30,000 feet.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:27:03am

re: #70 makeitstop

What clip are you referring to?

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:27:22am

I’m subbing in a French class right now so I can’t watch the proceedings, but I’m seeing legal folks on twitter saying this has become a disaster for Castor and the GOP….none of the GOP are prepared, lost control of questioning and Sondheim almost gleefully doing even more damage during the GOP questioning bloc

Is it actually that bad? Just saw they yielded back time to stop the bleeding even though substantial time was still on the clock.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:27:47am

re: #49 Sir John Barron

sounds hard to believe. That Starr would say that on Faux.

It’s very telling. We’re quickly reaching the point where no one but the dumbest and most brainwashed Republicans wants to hitch their wagon to Trumps.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:28:00am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:28:27am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:28:57am

re: #89 lawhawk

I spent $1 million and all I got was this lousy impeachment and implication in multiple federal felonies.

Boo frickin’ hoo.

he got his name in the history books and if he plays his cards right, he can recoup his losses

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BlueGrl21  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:29:36am

re: #87 Scottish Dragon

I’m subbing in a French class right now so I can’t watch the proceedings, but I’m seeing legal folks on twitter saying this has become a disaster for Castor and the GOP….none of the GOP are prepared, lost control of questioning and Sondheim almost gleefully doing even more damage during the GOP questioning bloc

Is it actually that bad? Just saw they yielded back time to stop the bleeding even though substantial time was still on the clock.

Yes, it’s actually that bad.

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Jay C  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:30:02am

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s very telling. We’re quickly reaching the point where no one but the dumbest and most brainwashed Republicans wants to hitch their wagon to Trumps.

Maybe, but even so there are probably 25-30 million of those….minimum.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:30:42am

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s very telling. We’re quickly reaching the point where no one but the dumbest and most brainwashed Republicans wants to hitch their wagon to Trumps.

You are still talking about 35% of the country including about 45% of white women and the majority of white men.

Yes, I am saying that the entire spectrum of white supremacism held by white people in America still supports Trump because he is exactly a white supremacist intent on implementing his ideology.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:30:59am

Here’s thing. I’m not a bleeding heart Liberal. I track conservative on some issues.

But regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, it should be easy enough to admit Trump is a dishonest, egotistical, narcissistic, heartless asshole who really doesn’t deserve to be President.

Unfortunately there’s a certain percentage of brainwashed idiots in our midst that will never get there.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:31:23am

re: #93 Jay C

Maybe, but even so there are probably 25-30 million of those….minimum.

I was referring to Republicans in elected office.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:31:30am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I smell book deal. /half

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:31:40am

re: #86 Ace Rothstein

What clip are you referring to?

Can’t find it - it’s from the chopper scrum, the one where he’s reading his notes.

Screaming at the top of his lungs. It was disturbing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:32:24am

re: #97 lawhawk

I smell book deal. /half

and a speaking tour

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:32:30am

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s thing. I’m not a bleeding heart Liberal. I track conservative on some issues.

But regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, it should be easy enough to admit Trump is a dishonest, egotistical, narcissistic, heartless asshole who really doesn’t deserve to be President.

Unfortunately there’s a certain percentage of brainwashed idiots in our midst that will never get there.

Conservative makes a clear eyes case for impeachment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:33:29am

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

I was referring to Republicans in elected office.

there are a lot of them whose hands are tied by the kompromat the Russians are holding against them. Others are truly that ideologically hidebound, and those two groups are going to force the others into running with the herd…

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:34:35am

re: #100 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The argument boils down to Trump is no longer able to do the job of implementing the far right agenda, and his incompetence and criminal conduct can’t be tolerated without damaging the GOP forevermore. So, dump him and bring in Pence, who can do the job with less drama.

The guy dances between right wing fever swamp conspiracy and claiming the rule of law must apply to Trump’s crimes.

And yet, these are the folks that have to be convinced to get the GOP to abandon ship re: Trumpworld.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:35:34am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I first thought that a meme. Oh my, real deal. Unfit.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:37:20am

re: #100 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Conservative makes a clear eyes case for impeachment.

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Dude is a Trumpist who wants more and better Trump with a just a little less graft.

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Jay C  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:39:17am

re: #87 Scottish Dragon

I’m subbing in a French class right now so I can’t watch the proceedings, but I’m seeing legal folks on twitter saying this has become a disaster for Castor and the GOP….none of the GOP are prepared, lost control of questioning and Sondheim almost gleefully doing even more damage during the GOP questioning bloc

Is it actually that bad? Just saw they yielded back time to stop the bleeding even though substantial time was still on the clock.

Well, yes, for “legal folks” - and anyone else with half a brain. Jeez, I’m no lawyer in any way, and I could tell Castor’s questioning of Sondland during his timeslot was a pathetic waste of minutes: fumbling. repetitive, deer-in-the-headlights lost; especially compared to Schiff and Goldman’s on-the-mark questioning. And worse, it was an obvious case of an inept “prosecutor” letting himself be completely owned by a witness. And I would add “to the detriment of his case”, except that in this instance, the GOP’s “case” is - outside of their usual barrage of cliched talking-points - astonishingly weak.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:39:59am

re: #102 lawhawk

re: #104 Scottish Dragon

Sure sure.

But just look at the argument for impeachment. Only that.

Don’t dismiss a solid argument based on, oh he’s a fuck.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:40:13am

re: #105 Jay C

Well, yes, for “legal folks” - and anyone else with half a brain. Jeez, I’m no lawyer in any way, and I could tell Castor’s questioning of Sondland during his timeslot was a pathetic waste of minutes: fumbling. repetitive, deer-in-the-headlights lost; especially compared to Schiff and Goldman’s on-the-mark questioning. And worse, it was an obvious case of an inept “prosecutor” letting himself be completely owned by a witness. And I would add “to the detriment of his case”, except that in this instance, the GOP’s “case” is - outside of their usual barrage of cliched talking-points - astonishingly weak.

WELL NO ONE TOLD US WHAT SONDLAND WOULD TESTIFY ABOUT WE DIDNT HAVE TIME TO PREPARE CHEATING DEMS INQUISITION!

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:40:41am

re: #104 Scottish Dragon

Dude is a Trumpist who wants more and better Trump with a just a little less graft.

As long as they’re following the law, then that’s how our democracy works. I mean I don’t want a lot of people in office, but if they’re going to end up there, it would be better to have people abiding by the law.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:40:50am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:41:53am

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s thing. I’m not a bleeding heart Liberal. I track conservative on some issues.

But regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, it should be easy enough to admit Trump is a dishonest, egotistical, narcissistic, heartless asshole who really doesn’t deserve to be President.

Unfortunately there’s a certain percentage of brainwashed idiots in our midst that will never get there.

This, in itself, would not be sufficient to remove him from office; but his actual betrayal of American FP and surrendering it to Putin should have been enough last year to get rid of him. Every conservative should have been doing the Joe Walsh thing in 2018 after the Trump-Putin press conference and his behavior toward NATO and little Kim; they should have evicted him from office last year.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:42:49am

re: #109 Scottish Dragon

Weird how he was corruptly violating the emoluments clause the moment he took the oath of office along with continuing illegal campaign contribution hush money payments to the porn star he had sex with…so stop the pearl clutching, my dude. He was impeachable on day 1.

We did not need impeachment hearings of a Mueller Report, we just needed the political will. But don’t expect to see it in the Senate when the charges are presented to them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:43:25am

re: #104 Scottish Dragon

Dude is a Trumpist who wants more and better Trump with a just a little less graft.

We don’t gotta like him. We just have to hope he or his arguments are persuasive with Republicans.

Based on an FB discussion with a Republican friend, I think a lot of them are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing “LALALALALALA!!” at the top of their lungs - “I don’t know if Trump did something impeachable. I’m tuning out the whole thing because it’s too partisan”, but one hopes at a certain point it percolates through.

I don’t know if it will. I know that exposing all this is vital to America remaining a democracy, and I know that if Trump is not removed and wins reelection we’re totally fucked. We will not recognize ourselves by 2024.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:43:48am

re: #110 Hecuba’s daughter

This, in itself, would not be sufficient to remove him from office; but his actual betrayal of American FP and surrendering it to Putin should have been enough last year to get rid of him. Every conservative should have been doing the Joe Walsh thing in 2018 after the Trump-Putin press conference and his behavior toward NATO and little Kim; they should have evicted him from office last year.

Agree completely. My comment was in reference to the fact that on the merits of his character and history ALONE he should never have been considered electable in the first place by any sane person, Liberal or Conservative leaning.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:44:44am

re: #108 Belafon

As long as they’re following the law, then that’s how our democracy works. I mean I don’t want a lot of people in office, but if they’re going to end up there, it would be better to have people abiding by the law.

Not buying it with this guy. This isn’t principle. It’s because Trump is damaged goods and he wants more Trump from someone who can deliver without making the crimes so obvious. His first tweet is the tell. He wants the child prisons, the Muslim travel bans and the Christian supremacy thing. He just wants it with more competency.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:45:02am

If Trump does survive an Impeachment trial in the Senate I am strongly considering writing letters to every Republican Senator who supported keeping him in office.

I know it won’t do shit in the long run, but I still feel like it’s worth it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:45:54am

re: #114 Scottish Dragon

Not buying it with this guy. This isn’t principle. It’s because Trump is damaged goods and he wants more Trump from someone who can deliver without making the crimes so obvious. His first tweet is the tell. He wants the child prisons, the Muslim travel bans and the Christian supremacy thing. He just wants it with more competency.

If that is the argument it takes to get GOP senators to vote for impeachment, then I’ll just have to accept that as the best we can expect.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:47:08am

So I guess Ratcliffe and the guys read the yam’s notes while on break.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:48:22am

re: #109 Scottish Dragon

More than that, a Mrs. FBW says, NOTHING Trump does comes a surprise. The mob boss-style criminality, the servile bootlicking for dictators, especially Putin, the ease with which he can be manipulated, etc. Knowing that he would be like this, that he was manifestly unfit for office by any measure, the game has ALWAYS been to try to get him out of office before he did too much damage - damage which is now obvious in things like the Korean Peninsula, where NK is doing what KJU damn pleases and SK is signing deals with China because we’ve become an unreliable partner.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:48:35am

It would qualify for a hearsay exception, but Sondland testifying what he heard Trump say is classic hearsay.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:48:51am

And we’re back… Ratcliffe is now questioning.

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Teukka  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:49:20am

OffT, but scrolled past this on reddit:

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:49:47am

Limbaugh demanded that his audience not watch Fox anymore because they’re never-Trumpers.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:49:52am
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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:51:00am

re: #123 Stanley Sea

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DON’T TAKE NONE OF THEIR SH*T RUDY!!!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:51:09am

re: #122 Ace Rothstein

Limbaugh demanded that his audience not watch Fox anymore because they’re never-Trumpers.

Popcorn with extra butter!!!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:51:45am

re: #123 Stanley Sea

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:51:52am

re: #104 Scottish Dragon

Dude is a Trumpist who wants more and better Trump with a just a little less graft.

I agree, but he laid out in clear language why Trump should be impeached.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:52:17am

re: #119 Mike Lamb

It would qualify for a hearsay exception, but Sondland testifying what he heard Trump say is classic hearsay.

How so? Isn’t that being a direct witness? If I see and hear you, that isn’t hearsay.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:52:50am

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

Agree completely. My comment was in reference to the fact that on the merits of his character and history ALONE he should never have been considered electable in the first place by any sane person, Liberal or Conservative leaning.

It’s not as though the Republican establishment supported him during the primaries — it was the Republican base that saw him and said this is the guy they want. Bush flamed out early and no other candidate had any significant popular support; the establishment definitely opposed him.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:52:54am

re: #122 Ace Rothstein

Limbaugh demanded that his audience not watch Fox anymore because they’re never-Trumpers.

They must be part of the resistance because they are showing the hearings live?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:55:04am

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

We don’t gotta like him. We just have to hope he or his arguments are persuasive with Republicans.

Based on an FB discussion with a Republican friend, I think a lot of them are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing “LALALALALALA!!” at the top of their lungs - “I don’t know if Trump did something impeachable. I’m tuning out the whole thing because it’s too partisan”, but one hopes at a certain point it percolates through.

I don’t know if it will. I know that exposing all this is vital to America remaining a democracy, and I know that if Trump is not removed and wins reelection we’re totally fucked. We will not recognize ourselves by 2024.

By 2024 we’ll be electing Donald Jr. President-for-life with 99.44% of the vote.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:55:52am

re: #129 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not as though the Republican establishment supported him during the primaries — it was the Republican base that saw him and said this is the guy they want. Bush flamed out early and no other candidate had any significant popular support; the establishment definitely opposed him.

None of the candidates wanted to turn on him because they were all hoping they could pick up his supporters once he flamed.

But he turned out to be completely flame-proof.

Once the nomination was settled, the GOP started working on a strategy to gather enough votes in the right places to guarantee an electoral win.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:57:32am

re: #119 Mike Lamb

It would qualify for a hearsay exception, but Sondland testifying what he heard Trump say is classic hearsay.

Trump is the defendant so it’s not hearsay; the point if the rule is to preserve the right to cross-examine witnesses against you, and you can’t cross-examine yourself.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:57:44am

re: #128 Scottish Dragon

How so? Isn’t that being a direct witness? If I see and hear you, that isn’t hearsay.

I’m testifying to something I heard someone else say. It’s hearsay.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:58:06am

re: #131 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The hell we will.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:58:16am

re: #133 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump is the defendant so it’s not hearsay; the point if the rule is to preserve the right to cross-examine witnesses against you, and you can’t cross-examine yourself.

I understand that.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:58:56am

re: #121 Teukka

OffT, but scrolled past this on reddit:

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I love it.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:59:23am

Jim Jordan is going to yell/wrestle this thing to the ground.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 10:59:53am

re: #138 jaunte

Jim Jordan is going to yell/wrestle this thing to the ground.

And Sondland is laughing in his face.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:00:05am

re: #135 Ace Rothstein

The hell we will.

We won’t; we’ll be in the camps.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:00:44am

re: #134 Mike Lamb

I’m testifying to something I heard someone else say. It’s hearsay.

hearsay
information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.

IANAL but being a direct witness means you are substantiating what you saw and heard. Herarsay is something you got secondhand and did not personally witness.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:00:46am

re: #139 BeachDem

And then not report it.

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lizardofid  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:00:55am

When Gym gives up on the hair he’ll be a wingnut version of James Carville, sans the accent and 1/3 of the vocabulary. ; )

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:01:19am

re: #141 Scottish Dragon

IANAL but being a direct witness means you are substantiating what you saw and heard. Herarsay is something you got secondhand and did not personally witness.

I am not a lawyer either but these are also my thoughts.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:01:24am

re: #143 lizardofid

When Gym gives up on the hair he’ll be a wingnut version of James Carville, sans the accent and 1/3 of the vocabulary. ; )

James Carville is a lot funnier too.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:02:04am

re: #134 Mike Lamb

I’m testifying to something I heard someone else say. It’s hearsay.

No, hearsay is an out of court statement by an unavailable witness introduced to prove the truth of the matter asserted.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:02:06am

haha

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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:02:28am

re: #131 NO SMOCKING GUN!

By 2024 we’ll be electing Donald Jr. President-for-life with 99.44% of the vote.

Only in the small portions of the country that haven’t been retaken by Constitutional forces…

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:03:20am

So Gym. I m get in contact with a killer for hire, We come to an agreement on how much I will pay and when it should happen to kill you, cops bust us before the murder plot comes to fruition. No crime and me and the killer go free?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:04:36am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:06:22am
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mmmirele  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:07:03am

re: #87 Scottish Dragon

I’m subbing in a French class right now so I can’t watch the proceedings,

I just remember back to 1973 when the teachers at my middle school fought over the ginormous black and white TVs on carts, which they’d park in their rooms and turn on to the Senate Watergate hearings. We kids (ok, I was weird, I cared) didn’t care. I wonder if teachers are sneaking peeks on their phones as their students work today

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:08:04am
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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:09:55am

re: #121 Teukka

OffT, but scrolled past this on reddit:

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I can’t agree, if only because our family carves the meat (always turkey for us on both Thanksgiving and Christmas, but even if we were ham people, it’d be the same) in the kitchen and only takes slices of white meat and largely-chunks of dark into the dining room on the serving platter, so it wouldn’t be impacting anyone’s appetite in the dining room.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:10:03am

Turner’s actually helping Democrats here - because Sondland’s got a bunch of inconsistencies in how they address Rudy, Pompeo, and what happened.

If everyone is in the loop, how are the others consistent.

Turner also wants everyone to ignore that Pompeo, Perry, and others are being prevented from testifying by Trump.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:10:41am

“Answer the question!”

“Yes, Godfather.”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:10:41am
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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:10:56am

While Turner shakes his sanctimonious fist, let us recall once again:

In both 2008 and 2010 Turner was listed as one of the “most corrupt members of Congress” by the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington for “enrichment of self, family, or friends” and “solicitation of gifts”

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:11:10am

Turner’s actually effective here re: Sondland.

But the thing is that Sondland can testify to what he believed happened.

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:12:13am

You obviously didn’t mean to say any of what you were saying in your opening statement. We’re going to give you 20 chances to say that you were really trying to exonerate the king altogether in it and that the big bad Dems are twisting your clear words.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:12:27am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:13:14am

re: #159 lawhawk

Turner’s actually effective here re: Sondland.

But the thing is that Sondland can testify to what he believed happened.

Sort of effective. The idea that a person can’t take a set of circumstances and reach a conclusion is high level nonsense.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:13:19am

re: #157 Charles Johnson

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Hope to God that shot makes its way into the movie that gets made about all this.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:13:53am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:13:55am

Sondland no longer appears as if he’s out for an afternoon constitutional.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:14:24am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:14:30am

re: #156 jaunte

“Answer the question!”

“Yes, Godfather.”

Who was that blowhard? I was in a meeting.

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:15:05am

re: #164 jaunte

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:15:08am
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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:15:57am

re: #167 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Mike Turner:
turner.house.gov

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BlueGrl21  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:16:17am

re: #152 mmmirele

I just remember back to 1973 when the teachers at my middle school fought over the ginormous black and white TVs on carts, which they’d park in their rooms and turn on to the Senate Watergate hearings. We kids (ok, I was weird, I cared) didn’t care. I wonder if teachers are sneaking peeks on their phones as their students work today

My husband is watching tweets on his Apple Watch.

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:17:13am

re: #153 Scottish Dragon

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Eddie didn’t “win”. He was pardoned.

for something he did. the pardon is in no way a suggestion he didn’t do it. it’s forgiving him for doing it.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:17:43am

What’s wrong with Ohio.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:18:13am

This new fucknut is busy spewing conspiracy theories. He’s not a lawyer, and that’s abundantly clear.

The fact is that Trump told Zelinsky of a quid pro quo.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:18:59am

re: #173 jaunte

What’s wrong with Ohio.

I don’t have enough time to cover it all, but on the plus side, Sherrod Brown.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:19:00am
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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:19:04am

Now Mike Conaway. What’s wrong with Texas.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:19:30am

His poor hotels

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:20:27am

re: #177 jaunte

Now Mike Conaway. What’s wrong with Texas.

I’m kind of relieved there are no South Carolinians on this committee—but then, it’s the Intelligence Committee (plus Gym), so I guess it makes some sense.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:22:21am

re: #176 Charles Johnson

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:22:56am
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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:23:55am

Oh, Jackie Speier went there. LOL

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:23:57am

“Yes, your honor, I told my friend to shoot that guy but I NEVER used the word murder!”

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:23:59am

Ziiiing.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:24:01am

Pinocchio Clap-back!

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:24:30am

Article has 3 Pinocchios..

Rep Spier getting interrupted… .but the article has 3 Pinocchios.

Spier: But Trump has 5 Pinocchios daily.

Spier - you’re unable to get information because State is thwarting access.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:25:37am

Does the delay in aid to Ukraine and reluctance to have WH meeting benefit Russia?

It could look that way… yes.

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:28:15am

re: #181 makeitstop

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Conway’s twitter bio:

Lawyer. Human scum who believes truth is true power. Windmill cancer survivor. And “not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up.”

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:28:43am

Wonder if that message was from Ronna?

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:28:44am

Why do I get Perry acting like Grocer in Grosse Point Blank trying to distance himself from calling the feds on Martin Bank.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:29:08am
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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:29:51am

WTF is this dude yammering about?

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:30:17am
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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:30:29am

Rep “I had to look up extortion” is now arguing that we’re being mean. Obviously, that means we should all go home.

//

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:30:36am

re: #191 Dread Pirate

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JFC…Barr is involved.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:32:18am

So we’re back to it’s legal?

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:32:23am

Why on earth would Bush have ended relations with countries that didn’t support the International Criminal Court?!?

That’s an organisation that until after Obama, both sides in US expressly believe shouldn’t exist if the US has to be subject to it!

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:32:45am

Side note: Did Stefanik get demoted? Wasn’t it her turn a couple of morons ago?

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:33:23am

Why wouldn’t a blackmailed person admit in public, to the press, in front of their blackmailer that they’re being coerced?

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Dread Pirate  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:33:47am
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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:34:35am

re: #197 Chrysicat

Gah. Expressly “believed”. I would think that at this point placing the US under ICC jurisdiction has to be part of the litmus tests for a Dem nominee to any federal office.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:35:35am

re: #198 makeitstop

Side note: Did Stefanik get demoted? Wasn’t it her turn a couple of morons ago?

I think they save her to bat cleanup because of her calm, soothing voice and logical, measured presentation.
Not enough////////////////////////////////

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lizardofid  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:36:31am

re: #198 makeitstop

Side note: Did Stefanik get demoted? Wasn’t it her turn a couple of morons ago?

Maybe it wasn’t polling well, and she felt it wasn’t paying off?

EDIT: nope

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:36:55am
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Stanley Sea  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:37:03am

re: #202 BeachDem

UGH

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:38:00am

Oh, boy. Me and my big mouth. Stefanik.

She always seems so irritated.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:38:27am

Stefanik is now up.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:38:47am

re: #200 Dread Pirate

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Sorry. You’re presuming. That means nothing.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:39:04am

Too bad her timeline omits all the bad news… for Trump.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:40:03am

Trump thinks he should be Prime Minister of Israel:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:40:08am

This woman is disgusting.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:40:46am

Hunter Biden isn’t under investigation. But the GOP wont stop it.

Stefanik thanks Sondland for honest testimony.

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Jay C  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:41:28am

re: #195 Scottish Dragon

JFC…Barr is involved.

What do you mean by this? I read two ways to parse it:

1) Barr is up to his ears in the whole Ukraine/Biden/election-tampering/backdoor “diplomacy” scandal?

or 2) Barr is going to try to use formal FBI authority to out (“accidentally” of course) the WB under some “investigatory” guise or other?

1) shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone
2) disgusting (and likely to put someone’s life in danger) but again, unsurprising given our AG’s terminal hackishness….

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Thanos  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:41:39am

re: #212 lawhawk

It’s prep work for the 2020 election, they are making sound bites for infomercials.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:41:40am

re: #212 lawhawk

Hunter Biden isn’t under investigation. But the GOP wont stop it.

Stefanik thanks Sondland for honest testimony.

And she only mentioned Obama in passing…

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Thanos  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:43:12am

re: #214 Thanos

It’s prep work for the 2020 election, they are making sound bites for infomercials.

The 2020 campaign will have chants of “Lock him UP” from Trump audiences if Biden wins the nom.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:44:35am
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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:45:16am

Swalwell - did anyone tell you to stop talking to Rudy? No
Did you follow directions at State and Trump re: Ukraine? Yes.
Did anyone reprimand you in your conduct actions re: Ukraine? No.

Conditioning visit to WH by foreign leader on investigating a political opponent, is that wrong? Yes.
Asking foreign leader to investigate a political opponent, is that wrong? Yes.

He again admits to calling this a quid pro quo.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:45:32am

re: #213 Jay C

What do you mean by this? I read two ways to parse it:

1) Barr is up to his ears in the whole Ukraine/Biden/election-tampering/backdoor “diplomacy” scandal?

or 2) Barr is going to try to use formal FBI authority to out (“accidentally” of course) the WB under some “investigatory” guise or other?

1) shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone
2) disgusting (and likely to put someone’s life in danger) but again, unsurprising given our AG’s terminal hackishness….

I suspect that Barr is using this to pressure/out the whistleblower.

Other interpretation is that this is related to counter intel investigation on Giuliani.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:46:02am

re: #216 Thanos

The 2020 campaign will have chants of “Lock him UP” from Trump audiences if Biden wins the nom.

That would be AWESOME.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:46:05am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.

It takes a douche to take down a douche. He’s definitely one of Trump’s “best people”.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:46:29am

re: #218 lawhawk

Swalwell - did anyone tell you to stop talking to Rudy? No
Did you follow directions at State and Trump re: Ukraine? Yes.
Did anyone reprimand you in your conduct actions re: Ukraine? No.

Conditioning visit to WH by foreign leader on investigating a political opponent, is that wrong? Yes.
Asking foreign leader to investigate a political opponent, is that wrong? Yes.

He again admits to calling this a quid pro quo.

The rain hypo was a nice touch.

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:46:31am

re: #213 Jay C

What do you mean by this? I read two ways to parse it:

1) Barr is up to his ears in the whole Ukraine/Biden/election-tampering/backdoor “diplomacy” scandal?

or 2) Barr is going to try to use formal FBI authority to out (“accidentally” of course) the WB under some “investigatory” guise or other?

1) shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone
2) disgusting (and likely to put someone’s life in danger) but again, unsurprising given our AG’s terminal hackishness….

My pessimistic reading:

the whistleblower wasn’t on the call, but was concerned by what he was told by people who were on the call. Maybe some of them shouldn’t have spoken to him?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:47:00am

re: #212 lawhawk

If they get back in power, we know who they’ll be hounding. The Bidens and the Clintons.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:47:30am

re: #176 Charles Johnson

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And as far as hearing it directly from tRump. I hardly ever talk to the owner of the company I work for. Yet my manager and others tell me what they want and I understand it is coming from the top from him.

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Thanos  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:48:05am

Congress needs to subpoena Giuliani

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:48:09am

re: #220 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Did you read that in reverse? Why would it be great for the Nuremberg Rallies to have the same chant, only gender-shifted, from 2016?

Or did you think that would be our rallies talking of Trump, which isn’t what the original comment did though might be a good idea whether we nominate Biden or Warren?

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:48:46am

re: #226 Thanos

Congress needs to subpoena Giuliani

That will imply they will need to arrest him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:49:06am

re: #221 Patricia Kayden

It takes a douche to take down a douche. He’s definitely one of Trump’s “best people”.

Good people wouldn’t get appointed by Trump to positions of power. And in the improbable event that one did, they’d end up dirty anyway.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:49:39am
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Stanley Sea  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:50:35am

re: #230 Charles Johnson

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He just said he made the donation to get inauguration tickets

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Teukka  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:50:42am

re: #217 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:51:22am

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Because historically every admin has doled out ambassadorships to donors.

It’s always on the understanding that the State Dept officials working for the ambassador would help do the work for them.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:52:26am

re: #224 Patricia Kayden

If they get back in power, we know who they’ll be hounding. The Bidens and the Clintons.

Yep, if Biden is President, 2023 is going to see investigations of his role in Shokin’s firing after the GOP regains control of Congress in the 2022 midterms.

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:52:30am

Heh.

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:54:05am

Wow. Uncooperative computers.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:54:11am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:54:15am

re: #234 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yep, if Biden is President, 2023 is going to see investigations of his role in Shokin’s firing after the GOP regains control of Congress in the 2022 midterms.

I think Republicans will want to investigate whoever the Dems nominate and elect. However, I’d rather not nominate Biden.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:54:26am

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

Good people wouldn’t get appointed by Trump to positions of power. And in the improbable event that one did, they’d end up dirty anyway.

Even Mattis was neck deep in the Theranos scandal.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:55:07am
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sagehen  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:55:58am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

I think Republicans will want to investigate whoever the Dems nominate and elect. However, I’d rather not nominate Biden.

I’d like somebody not yet old enough for Social Security.

Sadly, that’s all of our frontrunners.
(I’m still cheering for Amy Klobuchar)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:56:39am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

I think Republicans will want to investigate whoever the Dems nominate and elect. However, I’d rather not nominate Biden.

They will be investigating something whoever the Democratic President is. If its Warren, they’ll be investigating her claim to be Native American.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:57:41am

re: #239 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Even Mattis was neck deep in the Theranos scandal.

Yeah. Him being on the board of a Biotech makes as much sense as Hunter Biden on the board of a Ukrainian oil company - they’re not there for their relevant expertise.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:57:42am

re: #241 sagehen

I’d like somebody not yet old enough for Social Security.

Sadly, that’s all of our frontrunners.
(I’m still cheering for Amy Klobuchar)

And then there’s Pete. Of the big four, I’d like a blend of Biden’s foreign policy know how and Warren’s zest for reform.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:57:53am

re: #241 sagehen

I’d like somebody not yet old enough for Social Security.

Sadly, that’s all of our frontrunners.
(I’m still cheering for Amy Klobuchar)

Except for Mayor Pete, who the latest polls have catapulted into frontrunner status.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:58:04am

re: #242 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They will be investigating something whoever the Democratic President is. If its Warren, they’ll be investigating her claim to be Native American.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 11:58:30am

re: #245 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Except for Mayor Pete, who the latest polls have catapulted into frontrunner status.

And I’m honestly less bullish on him than Biden.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:00:04pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

And I’m honestly less bullish on him than Biden.

His 0% polling with African-Americans doesn’t bode well, but things could change rapidly if he wins Iowa.

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:00:09pm

“What Ukrainian law did Hunter Biden violate?”

Too bad Fox will find some way to ignore that line.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:01:31pm

re: #248 NO SMOCKING GUN!

His 0% polling with African-Americans doesn’t bode well, but things could change rapidly if he wins Iowa.

His record with African Americans is deeply troubling. I’m still hoping Harris can surprise some people.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:02:35pm

Rep. Heck is calling out Pompeo, Perry, Mulvaney and all the rest to testify under oath as a moral obligation.

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:02:41pm

If tonight’s debate is focused on detailed differences in health care plans, Imma break something.

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Mescalero09  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:03:05pm

Let this sink in. Not sure you saw it. But damn.

#1

#2

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:03:41pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Because that happens with every administration.

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:04:48pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:05:32pm

Sondland seems to realize that he may be the only rat left with a chance to get off the sinking ship. The rest are sitting dejectedly in the first class bar, swilling the last of the Glenlivet while green water gurgles up the walls.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:05:50pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:05:53pm

re: #252 sagehen

If tonight’s debate is focused on detailed differences in health care plans, Imma break something.

Apparently, that’s Biden’s plan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:08:23pm

re: #255 makeitstop

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Schiff is a professional. I think it’s why we shouldn’t disparage an office holder if they’ve been around awhile. I think the people who wanted Pelosi to rush on impeachment were wrong. I certainly do feel Trump should have been impeached before the current inquiry but so many people I think don’t understand the logistical side of building a case. As we enter the winter months, Trump is in deep shit.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:08:28pm

re: #253 Mescalero09

Let this sink in. Not sure you saw it. But damn.

#1

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Just the candidate we need to appeal to rustbelt voters who eat in diners!/

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:08:29pm

I want to hear about foreign policy.

Ukraine. NATO. South Korea. how our next president will repair relations with our used to be friends, and punish Russia and North Korea and Turkey.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:08:41pm

This makes my day.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:09:32pm
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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:09:47pm

re: #257 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:09:52pm

re: #261 sagehen

I want to hear about foreign policy.

Ukraine. NATO. South Korea. how our next president will repair relations with our used to be friends, and punish Russia and North Korea and Turkey.

There, you showed why Warren hasn’t completely sold me yet.

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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:12:12pm

If I had a shoe to throw, I would not throw it at Gym or Farmer 007.

I would take off my other shoe and throw one at each of them.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:12:37pm

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. Him being on the board of a Biotech makes as much sense as Hunter Biden on the board of a Ukrainian oil company - they’re not there for their relevant expertise.

ding ding ding

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:13:21pm

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Sondland seems to realize that he may be the only rat left with a chance to get off the sinking ship. The rest are sitting dejectedly in the first class bar, swilling the last of the Glenlivet Stolichnaya while green water gurgles up the walls.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:13:46pm
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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:14:07pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

There, you showed why Warren hasn’t completely sold me yet.

Yep. Like the late Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, it doesn’t matter that much how you’re improving the lives of the citizenry in the short term if you can’t get stop your enemies’ otherwise-likely-to-be-successful efforts to dissolve the country in its entirety.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:14:55pm

Why did the US ultimately release the aid to Ukraine. This is the crux. It wasn’t because Trump wanted to release it. It’s because he had no legal basis to do so.

He would have continued to block aid to Ukraine if he could - to extract the concessions sought - to get that announcement of an investigation launched into the Bidens.

And nothing about this ever rose to the interest of the GOP prior to Biden entering the race, or while the GOP were in control of both the House and Senate from 2017-2018. They didn’t launch a single investigation into any of this.

They only raise it now as a smokescreen to Trump’s actual crimes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:15:19pm

re: #270 Chrysicat

Yep. Like the late Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, it doesn’t matter that much how you’re improving the lives of the citizenry in the short term if you can’t get stop your enemies’ otherwise-likely-to-be-successful efforts to dissolve the country in its entirety.

Yeah I’m curious who is advising her on FP. I imagine Biden has most of the Obama alumni.

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John_Manyjars  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:16:43pm

re: #1 Ace Rothstein

Fuck his supporters, too. All of them.

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:18:04pm

Maloney’s really leaning in here. Good. Sondland should feel as uncomfortable as possible.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:18:04pm

Maloney not takin’ any baloney! Love it.

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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:19:11pm

Maloney having none of it.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:19:27pm

Maloney’s field of fucks is quite barren.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:19:57pm

One academic I think they should all talk to is Timothy Snyder. He’s one of the country’s foremost experts on Eastern Europe and Russia.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:22:13pm

Restoring and revitalizing international relationships hurt by the Trump administration needs to be a priority of the next administration.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:22:56pm

You have to be fucking kidding me.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:23:33pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Restoring and revitalizing international relationships hurt by the Trump administration needs to be a priority of the next administration.

An apology tour, you might say.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:24:06pm

re: #227 Chrysicat

Did you read that in reverse? Why would it be great for the Nuremberg Rallies to have the same chant, only gender-shifted, from 2016?

Or did you think that would be our rallies talking of Trump, which isn’t what the original comment did though might be a good idea whether we nominate Biden or Warren?

Perhaps I read it wrong, but turnabout is fair fucking play and I would love nothing more than a zillion Dems screaming LOCK HIM UP.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:24:18pm

Val is good, and she does her homework.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:25:07pm

re: #281 NO SMOCKING GUN!

An apology tour, you might say.

Something like that.

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:25:44pm

Krishnamoorthi raises a BIG point there.

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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:25:48pm

re: #280 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m thinking Mohammed Ali should be played by Tom Hardy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:26:19pm

re: #280 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You have to be fucking kidding me.

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Is that before or after Willem Dafoe plays Frederick Douglass.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:26:45pm

Rep. Krishnamoorth is good. He consistently asks clear, concise questions.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:26:57pm

re: #286 BigPapa

I’m thinking Mohammed Ali should be played by Tom Hardy.

MLK will now be played by Tom Hanks and Rosa Parks by Meryl Streep.

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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:27:43pm

re: #285 makeitstop

Krishnamoorthi raises a BIG point there.

His time with LC VIndman yesterday, talking of their immigration stories and addressing the dual loyalty narrative, nearly brought me to tears. I think Rep Raja was clearly emotional as well. Very powerful moment.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:28:02pm

re: #280 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You have to be fucking kidding me.

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Read that last night. The kicker is that when challenged on it, that Tubman was black, the Studio Exec said something like ‘That was a long time ago. Nobody will remember that’.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:28:10pm

Too many crimes to count.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:28:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:29:20pm

re: #290 BigPapa

His time with LC VIndman yesterday, talking of their immigration stories and addressing the dual loyalty narrative, nearly brought me to tears. I think Rep Raja was clearly emotional as well. Very powerful moment.

Trump’s attacks on immigrants are understandably personal to him.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:29:26pm
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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:30:17pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

MLK will now be played by Tom Hanks and Rosa Parks by Meryl Streep.

The part of Michael Jackson will be played by Justin Bieber.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:31:13pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Is that before or after Willem Dafoe plays Frederick Douglass.

Hey, maybe we can get Tom Hanks to star in a Morgan Freeman biopic!

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:32:22pm

Sondland has his Dr. Evil face on every time cow boy talks.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:32:41pm

re: #296 makeitstop

The part of Michael Jackson will be played by Justin Bieber.

Prediction:

Sometime today or tomorrow, someone on the Right will say, “Hey, if you can have a Porta Ricken playing Alexander Hamilton and a black guy playing George Washington, why can’t Julia Roberts play Harriet Tubman?”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:32:55pm

re: #293 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:33:27pm

re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White

Prediction:

Sometime today or tomorrow, someone on the Right will say, “Hey, if you can have a Porta Ricken playing Alexander Hamilton and a black guy playing George Washington, why can’t Julia Roberts play Harriet Tubman?”

You know it’s coming.

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:33:32pm

Farmer Devin, you idiot, this is what TV Tropes calls a “suspiciously specific denial”.

Trump wasn’t asked about “is there a quid pro quo”—why would he deny it to someone who didn’t suspect one to exist?

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EPR-radar  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:35:21pm

re: #261 sagehen

I want to hear about foreign policy.

Ukraine. NATO. South Korea. how our next president will repair relations with our used to be friends, and punish Russia and North Korea and Turkey.

That’s basically asking for the impossible. The brutal reality is that as long as the GOP remains a national party thanks to the over-representation of its chucklefuck base, the US is fundamentally unreliable internationally.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:35:44pm
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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:35:54pm

So when Nikki runs for president (eww, I just made myself nauseous) do we get to have hearings on why Boeing put her on their board?

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:36:56pm

re: #302 Chrysicat

Related:

Why would Trump unprompted by Sondland explicitly use the language in his conversation with Sondland that he didn’t engage in a quid pro quo?

That’s weird. You don’t make that kind of statement unless you’re trying to retcon your alibi in real time.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:37:18pm

re: #286 BigPapa

I’m thinking Mohammed Ali should be played by Tom Hardy.

I think Genghis Khan should be played by John Wayne and his Tartar wife Bortai should be played by Susan Hayward…

Oh, wait.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:37:54pm

re: #297 Eclectic Cyborg

Hey, maybe we can get Tom Hanks to star in a Morgan Freeman biopic!

I was going to suggest that they could balance things out by having Morgan himself play Queen Elizabeth in the last few installments of The Crown.

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:38:28pm

re: #305 BeachDem

So when Nikki runs for president (eww, I just made myself nauseous) do we get to have hearings on why Boeing put her on their board?

She has an answer for that.

Union-busting. State-level right-to-work laws. She has expertise in these areas.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:38:29pm

re: #308 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I was going to suggest that they could balance things out by having Morgan himself play Queen Elizabeth in the last few installments of The Crown.

I would watch that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:38:37pm

re: #304 lawhawk

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I’m not clear on why people crap on Dulles. I fly into and out of there all the time when I go back to PA. It’s not crowded, the underground shuttles run on time, quickly and efficiently, and there’s a Five Guys in the B terminal near the gate I always end up at.

SFO’s always crowded, and with the addition of the International Terminal is terminally confusing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:39:32pm

re: #309 sagehen

She has an answer for that.

Union-busting. State-level right-to-work laws. She has expertise in these areas.

Bragging about busting unions in South Carolina in the 50’s would be sad. Doing it in the 21st century is I can’t even.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:40:15pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not clear on why people crap on Dulles. I fly into and out of there all the time when I go back to PA. It’s not crowded, the underground shuttles run on time, quickly and efficiently, and there’s a Five Guys in the B terminal near the gate I always end up at.

SFO’s always crowded, and with the addition of the International Terminal is terminally confusing.

I don’t either. It’s my home airport. Not my favorite airport but not bad either.

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EPR-radar  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:41:55pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Bragging about busting unions in South Carolina in the 50’s would be sad. Doing it in the 21st century is I can’t even.

Actually, union busting is more acceptable now that it was in the 1950s in the right and in the center.

After all, back then the GOP pretended to support labor even as it was gutting it with things like Taft-Hartley. Now they don’t even bother to pretend.

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:41:58pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not clear on why people crap on Dulles. I fly into and out of there all the time when I go back to PA. It’s not crowded, the underground shuttles run on time, quickly and efficiently, and there’s a Five Guys in the B terminal near the gate I always end up at.

SFO’s always crowded, and with the addition of the International Terminal is terminally confusing.

Probably a combination between “people who simply hate airports as a whole” and “people who resent that any airport further away than National is considered an airport-serving-DC”. And yet there are others who feel that even Dulles is too dangerous and want to deprecate it in favour of Balt-Wash…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:42:42pm

Ack.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:42:53pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

I don’t either. It’s my home airport. Not my favorite airport but not bad either.

It’s also really convenient for me - plenty of direct flights SFO-IAD, and it’s easy to get to and from via the “back way” - 15S -> 7E -> 28S.

Mind you, I’m not trying to get there from DC.

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John_Manyjars  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:43:41pm

re: #31 Scottish Dragon

Or child care. Or college. Or health care. Etc etc.

God damn he’s evil…

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Jay C  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:43:51pm

re: #305 BeachDem

So when Nikki runs for president (eww, I just made myself nauseous) do we get to have hearings on why Boeing put her on their board?

Might it be related (or not un-related) to Boeing having set up a big plant in SC?
Mainly for wage/union “advantages”, and for which their reward has been (so I heard), serious quality-control issues wrt the 737 787 - just what they needed… ////

Tx. Eric @ #325

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:45:01pm

re: #314 EPR-radar

Actually, union busting is more acceptable now that it was in the 1950s in the right and in the center.

After all, back then the GOP pretended to support labor even as it was gutting it with things like Taft-Hartley. Now they don’t even bother to pretend.

I’m pointing out that unions were never strong in South Carolina so she really didn’t have to do much. Nikki bragging about it was stupid. I actually found an old article with quotes by my father’s father why unions never took up in the South from the early 60’s.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:45:39pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not clear on why people crap on Dulles. I fly into and out of there all the time when I go back to PA. It’s not crowded, the underground shuttles run on time, quickly and efficiently, and there’s a Five Guys in the B terminal near the gate I always end up at.

SFO’s always crowded, and with the addition of the International Terminal is terminally confusing.

Never flown out of Dulles. I’d personally substitute LGA. SFO has always been straight forward for me on my few trips there. JFK has been straight forward too. LGA is like the reception area for hell.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:46:32pm

re: #317 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s also really convenient for me - plenty of direct flights SFO-IAD, and it’s easy to get to and from via the “back way” - 15S -> 7E -> 28S.

Mind you, I’m not trying to get there from DC.

I did IAD-SFO. Not bad.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:47:38pm
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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:48:17pm

re: #309 sagehen

She has an answer for that.

Union-busting. State-level right-to-work laws. She has expertise in these areas.

She has an answer for everything—not usually a good answer, but she’s always running her mouth about something. The SC Boeing workers voted for a union, but the NLRB sided with Boeing against them. And all is not well at the SC plant.

A year after voting to join a union, flight-line employees at Boeing Co.’s North Charleston campus describe a workplace filled with paranoia and punishment.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:48:47pm

re: #319 Jay C

Might it be related (or not un-related) to Boeing having set up a big plant in SC?
Mainly for wage/union “advantages”, and for which their reward has been (so I heard), serious quality-control issues wrt the 737 - just what they needed… ////

Boeing assembles the 787 there, and their QA is so bad several airliners refuse to take planes made there.

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:51:39pm

re: #325 Eric The Fruit Bat

Boeing assembles the 787 there, and their QA is so bad several airliners refuse to take planes made there.

Speaking of, I see no way that Boeing Commercial Aircraft can remain in business between it now being obvious that every 737Max has to be scrapped and the fact that only idiot-run airlines will accept over half of their 787s.

What is the country doing to prevent a future where all planes larger than a regional jet are either from a newly-set-up Chinese company, or Airbus?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:52:11pm

re: #280 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Julia Roberts was suggested to play Harriet Tubman by studio exec, says Harriet screenwriter

Tropic Thunder!!!

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:53:42pm
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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:54:32pm

re: #323 Stanley Sea

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That’s the best thing I’ve seen all day.

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ericblair  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:56:10pm

One fun bit is that Pompeo is at NATO Headquarters in Brussels today at the Foreign Ministers meeting, so a little far from the action but well within range of Sondland’s bus. Coffee breaks must have been pretty interesting.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:57:19pm
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 20, 2019 • 12:57:23pm

re: #280 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You have to be fucking kidding me.

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That’s insane

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:00:50pm

re: #331 lawhawk

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Terrific audition for Squealer there Sean but we’re still undecided between you and Lindsay Graham for the role. We’ve already cast Trump as Napoleon.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:01:18pm

Don’t forget, Ukraine is prohibited from using Javelin missiles against Russians.

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:01:43pm

re: #331 lawhawk

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“American troops are killing themselves by the thousands throwing themselves against the walls of Baghdad!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:02:07pm

re: #331 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:03:17pm

re: #334 Dread Pirate

Don’t forget, Ukraine is prohibited from using Javelin missiles against Russians.

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He doesn’t care about Ukrainian sovereignty. I know a guy named Nitup Rimidalv who doesn’t either.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:06:37pm

re: #331 lawhawk

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SEAN HANNITY on his radio show: “This couldn’t be a better day for President Trump.”

Meanwhile, on planet Earth, some of the headlines:

Sondland’s testimony advances likely impeachment charge of obstruction

Gordon Sondland’s testimony torpedoes Republican defenses of Trump

SONDLAND BOMBSHELL: ‘WE FOLLOWED THE PRESIDENT’S ORDERS’

A GOP Ambassador Destroyed Republican Talking Points On The Ukraine Scandal

Gordon Sondland leaves no doubt Trump is a criminal as he surprises the world with his devastating testimony

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Chrysicat  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:07:07pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:07:23pm

re: #331 lawhawk

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ckkatz  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:07:36pm

So, from what I understand…

This hearing:

1. Confirmed what we all knew, that Trump and his cabal are criminals.
2. That the House Republicans are proving it is not possible to defend the administration.

Obviously things could change in an instant.

But the Republican Senators in general and McConnell in particular must looking at the experience of the House Republicans and concluding that they need to find a better option.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:07:38pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t care about Ukrainian sovereignty. I know a guy named Nitup Rimidalv who doesn’t either.

Took me a second.

Well played. :P

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:08:19pm

re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White

Prediction:

Sometime today or tomorrow, someone on the Right will say, “Hey, if you can have a Porta Ricken playing Alexander Hamilton and a black guy playing George Washington, why can’t Julia Roberts play Harriet Tubman?”

They would have to see Hamilton first.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:09:14pm

Boiled down, McCarthy’s defense amounts to IOKIYAR.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:10:17pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Da tovarisch.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:10:31pm

re: #344 lawhawk

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Boiled down, McCarthy’s defense amounts to IOKIYAR.

Yes explain bribery away guy at the President ‘/ ball rubbing network to a former federal prosecutor.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:11:10pm
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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:13:56pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Trump’s attacks on immigrants are understandably personal to him.

Yes, that’s apparent. What’s surprising to me was how this white euro mutt with no immigration story in my family get sucked into the moment on something that I really hadn’t though of too much. My wife was born here but her parents immigrated from Philippines, but I’m not sure if I was thinking of that. Rep Raja’s moment is seared into my memory.

Now that I’m talking about my wife’s family it’s making me miss Bourdain. The Parts Unknown episode in Manila is one of my favorites and I think we’ll probably watch it as a family every Christmas.

Dammit, now I’m getting in my feels again. I miss Bourdain more than ever.

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KGxvi  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:14:55pm

re: #347 lawhawk

I mean, you could argue that the terms of service are a valid contract (I think many TOS’s are adhesion contracts that shouldn’t be worth the paper they aren’t written on, but that’s another story), but even if you get there to create a “business relationship”, that’s still not how intentional interference with contractual relations work. You can’t sue a third party who points out you are breaching a contract with someone else.

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Jay C  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:15:21pm

re: #341 ckkatz

But the Republican Senators in general and McConnell in particular must looking at the experience of the House Republicans and concluding that they need to find a better option.

Or at least a better producer to stage-manage a better show (which, of course, a Senate trial will be).

But the problem is, that in said trial, the charges are “prosecuted” by the House “Managers” - and I’d be really surprised if Adam Schiff isn’t lead chair. IIRC, the “defense” is provided by the accused (impeached) offcial, so God knows what gang of imbeciles Trump might send up: Rudy Giuliani as lead counsel? Devin Nunes as second?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:15:49pm

re: #344 lawhawk

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Boiled down, McCarthy’s defense amounts to IOKIYAR.

Finally got to the “Yes the President committed a crime, but he still shouldn’t be impeached” stage of the defense.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:15:50pm

re: #347 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:16:20pm

re: #348 BigPapa

Yes, that’s apparent. What’s surprising to me was how this white euro mutt with no immigration story in my family get sucked into the moment on something that I really hadn’t though of too much. My wife was born here but her parents immigrated from Philippines, but I’m not sure if I was thinking of that. Rep Raja’s moment is seared into my memory.

Now that I’m talking about my wife’s family it’s making me miss Bourdain. The Parts Unknown episode in Manila is one of my favorites and I think we’ll probably watch it as a family every Christmas.

Dammit, now I’m getting in my feels again. I miss Bourdain more than ever.

Three of my grandparents had immigrant parents. So fairly far removed directly but my sister in law is an immigrant too. Trump’s xenophobia just infuriates me. I miss Bourdain too. He was a great ambassador for our country.

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KGxvi  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:18:57pm

re: #351 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Finally got to the “Yes the President committed a crime, but he still shouldn’t be impeached” stage of the defense.

we’re about 15 minutes from “the American people should decide next November.” And we sent members of Congress to Washington specifically to deal with issues like this, like it’s literally in the constitution as one of their job duties.

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Mescalero09  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:19:55pm

And on a lighter, I think, note…..

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KGxvi  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:22:31pm

re: #350 Jay C

Or at least a better producer to stage-manage a better show (which, of course, a Senate trial will be).

But the problem is, that in said trial, the charges are “prosecuted” by the House “Managers” - and I’d be really surprised if Adam Schiff isn’t lead chair. IIRC, the “defense” is provided by the accused (impeached) offcial, so God knows what gang of imbeciles Trump might send up: Rudy Giuliani as lead counsel? Devin Nunes as second?

I’m not sure that a member of the House can serve as a defense attorney in a Senate trial. I’m not sure who the Managers will be for the House, but I suspect most will be from the Judiciary Committee, which is how it worked in Clinton’s trial, since this will look a lot more like a trial than a typical Congressional hearing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:23:52pm

re: #285 makeitstop

My rep!

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:23:58pm

re: #355 Mescalero09

Jesus, he knows me. And I’m alright.

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Mescalero09  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:25:44pm

re: #358 lawhawk

Jesus, he knows me. And I’m alright.

And………………………………………………………………………………………He was in Genesis.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:26:48pm

re: #358 lawhawk

Jesus, he knows me. And I’m alright.

He seems to have that invisible touch.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:27:39pm

Rudy Giuliani has been a gift to the Democrats that keeps on giving.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:28:17pm

re: #360 BeachDem

He seems to have that invisible touch.

I assume that the Archangel looks like Peter Gabriel

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:30:56pm

And speaking of the prowess of one Nikki Haley…

North Korea had just tested an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting Alaska, and the Trump administration was scrambling to react. But it seems Nikki Haley, Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, had lost her password for classified communications.

That’s why on that fraught July 4, 2017, she was typing away on her BlackBerry 10 smartphone, sending “confidential” information over a system meant only for unclassified material.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:31:22pm

re: #362 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or the Lamb That Lied Down on Broadway.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:31:43pm

re: #363 BeachDem

And speaking of the prowess of one Nikki Haley…

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North Korea had just tested an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting Alaska, and the Trump administration was scrambling to react. But it seems Nikki Haley, Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, had lost her password for classified communications.

That’s why on that fraught July 4, 2017, she was typing away on her BlackBerry 10 smartphone, sending “confidential” information over a system meant only for unclassified material.

But not her emails.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:33:17pm

re: #363 BeachDem

And speaking of the prowess of one Nikki Haley…

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I assume we have to LOCK HER UP now.

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Mescalero09  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:34:57pm
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KGxvi  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:35:53pm

re: #363 BeachDem

But it seems Nikki Haley, Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, had lost her password for classified communications.

Did she try “guest”?

Archer - Mole Hunt - Hacking scene

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Jay C  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:36:49pm

re: #356 KGxvi

I’m not sure that a member of the House can serve as a defense attorney in a Senate trial. I’m not sure who the Managers will be for the House, but I suspect most will be from the Judiciary Committee, which is how it worked in Clinton’s trial, since this will look a lot more like a trial than a typical Congressional hearing.

OK: the House Judiciary Committee?

Some decent enough names there to choose from (I think the House sends up a panel of five(?)). I see Gym Jordan (R) and Val Demings (D) are on both HJC and HIC….

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:39:17pm
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KGxvi  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:40:47pm

re: #369 Jay C

OK: the House Judiciary Committee?

Some decent enough names there to choose from (I think the House sends up a panel of five(?)). I see Gym Jordan (R) and Val Demings (D) are on both HJC and HIC….

My guess is that there won’t be any Republicans among the House managers… unless one of them were to vote for the articles of impeachment.

Clinton’s impeachment had 13 managers. I think there will be a resolution to name the managers. I hope whoever they send, at least one of them should be a newer member with relatively recent trial experience as an attorney.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:42:00pm

re: #354 KGxvi

we’re about 15 minutes from “the American people should decide next November.” And we sent members of Congress to Washington specifically to deal with issues like this, like it’s literally in the constitution as one of their job duties.

I htnk they did that days ago.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:42:16pm
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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:42:16pm

I need to run through this before I make a decision I truly regret.

My mom has been asking me to do the ancestry.com stuff for a bit. My wife is also interested (in me, not her of course).

In the mean time, I know an old painter/handyman/practically homeless guy around town. We call him Painter. Good dude, little whacko, believes in conspiracy shit and I know how to goad him a tad for funs but not let it get weird. When mom moved here to Hawaii I hooked her up with Painter to repaint and help with some odd jobs and shit. Worked out well for all, he seems to be good with her. She blasts Rachel ever afternoon and he knows to keep his comments to a minimum, and they know not to get into politics too much.

So when Ancestry came back up one the phone, Mom, hard of hearing has me on speakerphone. I know Painter is there. I say “OK mom, I’ll consider doing it only if Painter approves.” He bellows out a big Painter laugh from the other room.

When discussing further, I suggest to Painter maybe he should give his DNA under my name. We’re having a little too much fun with this, poor mom. I suggest this means he gets free license to rub one out, for science yo. Mom is not pleased with this banter. I complain that I only agreed to this believing I get a free Rub One Out card but I don’t know now.

Now that I have the kit… I have 3 guys I work with: 2 euro mutts and one local guy who’s probably portagee/hawaiian mix. You know where this is going.

Should I punk mom and get us all to mix our DNA together? I can yell at her and say ‘Is Dad my real dad?’

I”m so going to hell for this. But I’m going to laugh all the way there.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:42:29pm

they’re finally zeroing in on this
it wasnt ‘investigations’
it was ‘an announcement’

Benjamin Wittes: “Seeking investigations of political foes for personal political gain is a prototypically corrupt. But beyond that, Sondland was clear in his testimony that Trump wasn’t actually asking for the investigations themselves, but merely the announcement of them. In other words, he wanted not an investigation of corruption, but the political optics of Ukraine’s declaring that his political opponents were under investigation. What’s more, Sondland also confirmed that Trump seemed not to care a whit about Ukraine—that he only cared about the investigations that could benefit him.”

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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:43:20pm

re: #360 BeachDem

He seems to have that invisible touch.

I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord
And I’ve been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord
Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord, oh Lord

Posted without comment

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:43:45pm

According to Aaron Black in WaPo washingtonpost.com

Both Pence’s and Perry’s office are disputing Sondland’s testimony. They know nothing, nothing!

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:44:50pm

re: #374 BigPapa

IMO, No.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:45:06pm

re: #377 retired cynic

According to Aaron Black in WaPo washingtonpost.com

Both Pence’s and Perry’s office are disputing Sondland’s testimony. They know nothing, nothing!

They ready to testify?

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:45:14pm

re: #377 retired cynic

According to Aaron Black in WaPo washingtonpost.com

Both Pence’s and Perry’s office are disputing Sondland’s testimony. They know nothing, nothing!

They’re absolutely invited to sit in that room, be sworn in, and say whatever they want to say.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:46:18pm

re: #377 retired cynic

According to Aaron Black in WaPo washingtonpost.com

Both Pence’s and Perry’s office are disputing Sondland’s testimony. They know nothing, nothing!

come and testify
or else it’s just hot air

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:46:33pm

re: #376 BigPapa

I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord
And I’ve been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord
Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord, oh Lord

Posted without comment

Note to self: Don’t go swimming anywhere near that church.

/////

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steve_davis  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:49:51pm

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s thing. I’m not a bleeding heart Liberal. I track conservative on some issues.

But regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, it should be easy enough to admit Trump is a dishonest, egotistical, narcissistic, heartless asshole who really doesn’t deserve to be President.

Unfortunately there’s a certain percentage of brainwashed idiots in our midst that will never get there.

It’s more complicated. Many of Trump’s supporters know he is dishonest, egotistical, narcissistic, etc. They 1)are 4channers, who find that any enormous part of his charm and/or 2) evangelists, so twisted by what Bonhoeffer refers to as “cheap grace” that they feel whatever he does is fine as long as he does 1)abortion legislation and 2)conservative judges (by which he is getting to 1). They are unwittingly part of an ends justifies means fascistic ideology.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:51:20pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:51:35pm
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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:52:54pm

re: #378 retired cynic

Well.. you’re no fun.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:54:06pm

re: #385 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Same thing with the “border emergency.”

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:54:07pm

re: #368 KGxvi

Did she try “guest”?

[Embedded content]

She was in NY—she could have gone with Rudy to the Apple store.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:55:08pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:56:09pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:56:17pm

re: #374 BigPapa

FWIW, AncestryDNA has some very definite requirements on who can now submit DNA, that the owner of the kit is the one who supplies the sample, and that other people can access the data but need to be granted permission by the owner.

The genotyping process will detect if there is conflicting data from the sample. There will be too many mis-calls in the genotyping.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:56:18pm

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Amory Blaine  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:56:22pm

re: #389 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:57:28pm

re: #386 BigPapa

Well.. you’re no fun.

Never said I was! (grin!)

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Jay C  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:57:34pm

re: #371 KGxvi

My guess is that there won’t be any Republicans among the House managers… unless one of them were to vote for the articles of impeachment.

Clinton’s impeachment had 13 managers. I think there will be a resolution to name the managers. I hope whoever they send, at least one of them should be a newer member with relatively recent trial experience as an attorney.

OK. Tx. I don’t know why I thought the House Impeachment Managers were limited.
But myself, I’d recommend “prosecutor” as a preferred pre-Congressional job resume….

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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:57:59pm

re: #391 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Welp, it was fun while it lasted. Still not happy I can’t send them a semen sample but I will proceed. Under protest.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:58:07pm

re: #393 Amory Blaine

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i concede

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:58:56pm

re: #385 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Chris Hayes

@chrislhayes
* 7h
Here’s the big tell that the Hunter Biden stuff is bs. The GOP had control of both houses of Congress back in 2015 and spent ZERO TIME on oversight of Burisma, etc. They could have! They certainly didn’t shy away from stoking scandals. And yet they didn’t. But now suddenly!

I remember thinking I wish someone would make that point! We need a pipeline to the committee!

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Amory Blaine  Nov 20, 2019 • 1:59:33pm

re: #390 gocart mozart

Sarah does feel like you do, Peter.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:00:23pm

re: #396 BigPapa

You’re likely to discover you have cousins you never knew existed. I certainly did.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:00:23pm

re: #398 retired cynic

I remember thinking I wish someone would make that point! We need a pipeline to the committee!

theyre not really missing much
and they do tend to catch up pretty quickly - though sometimes slower than i’d like
they’re also (well their aides are) watching news, reactions, twitter, fb, etc for reactions

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:02:16pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:04:03pm

I’ve been on a steady diet of The Twilight Zone on Netflix.

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Thanos  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:06:29pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:07:23pm

re: #282 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Perhaps I read it wrong, but turnabout is fair fucking play and I would love nothing more than a zillion Dems screaming LOCK HIM UP.

I would be one of the yellers for sure.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:13:21pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:18:47pm

just watched the maloney segment

he really nailed the amb. to the wall

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:19:24pm

re: #384 goddamnedfrank

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Needs more cocaine.

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ckkatz  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:21:22pm

re: #350 Jay C

Or at least a better producer to stage-manage a better show (which, of course, a Senate trial will be).

You are very correct that the Republicans will control the process once the House sends the case over to the Senate. And I have no doubt that they are looking carefully at that option.

But Rep. Pelosi pointed out that she controls the process until she sends it over. Which guarantees that the Republicans are going to have their faces rubbed in this until she decides she has gotton what she wants out of it.

The Republican risk is that Pelosi might/should be able to set up the Republicans as accomplices and complicit in these crimes. And do so effectively just before elections.

I suspect that this was the point that Starr was making. Basically, either Trump goes under the bus, or a lot more of the Senate Republicans do.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:22:36pm
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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:22:39pm

So many thoughts…Trump telling Sondland “no quid pro quo” is the scene in the movie where the suspect reveals the detail that only the cops and the murderer would no.

Also:

All the folks involved in the conspiracy: We didn’t do it!

GOP/Hannity/mouthbreathers: Welp…that’s settled!

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:23:47pm

this sux pretty good

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:24:47pm

re: #412 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

this sux pretty good

Just use it to remind people of how much the Republicans care for the troops.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:25:22pm

re: #411 Mike Lamb

So many thoughts…Trump telling Sondland “no quid pro quo” is the scene in the movie where the suspect reveals the detail that only the cops and the murderer would no.

Also:

All the folks involved in the conspiracy: We didn’t do it!

GOP/Hannity/mouthbreathers: Welp…that’s settled!

i actually made this point the other day
no way trump would have pulled “QPQ” out of the air

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:31:27pm

i would also like it if schiff et al would make clear that though the president himself held up the aid (authorized by congress) - he actually had no power to actually do so.

he was able to (temporarily) because no one knew

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 20, 2019 • 2:33:57pm

re: #412 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

this sux pretty good

[Embedded content]

I’m telling ya, someone needs to take one for the team.

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John_Manyjars  Nov 20, 2019 • 4:50:52pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes. IMHO one of our better airports, along with DEN.

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John_Manyjars  Nov 20, 2019 • 4:55:21pm

re: #326 Chrysicat

“What is the country doing to prevent a future where all planes larger than a regional jet are either from a newly-set-up Chinese company, or Airbus?”

-Little or nothing, since Reagan, our industrial heritage has been pimped out to the lowest bidders overseas mostly in the name of union-busting. It’s getting bad enough the Army and other services are ‘sourcing’ more and more of their gear, weapons, etc from foreign sources.

Even more frustrating, the tech that Boeing, GE and other ‘Job-Creators’ are selling off was largely created with public money.

As Lenin said, the committed capitalist will sell you the rope you hang him with.


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GHOSTBUSTERS: AFTERLIFE - Official Trailer (HD) Everything happens for a reason. Watch the new trailer for #Ghostbusters: Afterlife in theaters next summer. Visit Site:ghostbusters.com Follow Us On Social:facebook.comtwitter.cominstagram.com Subscribe to Sony Pictures for exclusive content: bit.ly From director Jason Reitman and producer Ivan Reitman, comes ...
Thanos
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Wonder Woman 1984 TrailerStars Gal Gadot, Pedro Pascal, Kristen Wiig. Directed by Patty Jenkins.
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House Votes to Back Two-State Solution in Middle East WASHINGTON (CN) — Rebuking President Donald Trump, the House of Representatives on Friday passed a resolution supporting a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Smoke rises from Gaza City on May 5, 2019, after Israel launched over 350 airstrikes ...
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California Urged to Rethink 40 Years of ‘Piecemeal’ Freshwater Protections Ultimately the drought had relatively minor impacts on most urban Californians who suddenly had to do things like let their lawns go brown or – gasp – ask for water while dining out. But under the surface, 18 fish ...
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VULFPECK /// Back Pocket (Live at Madison Square Garden)VULFPECK /// Back Pocket (Live at Madison Square Garden)buy on vinyl → vuuulf.com
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EVGENY POBOZHIY QUINTET - Stranger Thoughts Evgeny Pobozhiy Quintet - Stranger Thoughts Evgeny Pobozhiy - guitar, compositionAnton Chekurov - saxNikolai Sidorenko - keysSergey Korchagin - bassAlexander Kulkov - drumsRecorded live @ Blues-minus studio, MoscowViktor Farafontov - sound engineerAndrey Galyamin - videoSergey Gasparyan - mixing2019 ...
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 191201 It was an ‘easy’ unchallenging weekend. While low key, we got a lot done. We worked on the upper wall, setting and pounding in the 72 bags we dropped in last week. There are now two courses done completely ...
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