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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:16:09am

To everybody but Republicans, you mean.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:18:24am

re: #1 Skip Intro

To everybody but Republicans, you mean.

If someone finds a cure for cancer, I doubt anyone’s going to go “This is great news for everyone except cancer.”

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:24:36am

I Marine Corps veteran confronted Graham about his oaths, and Graham ran away. I can’t embed the video at work, but it’s located here:

VETERAN: I see how you are berated in the press and I honestly believe that you believe in our democracy as I do.

GRAHAM: I do.

VETERAN: I came to D.C. because I’m a Marine, I went to Iraq, and I believe, as I believe you do, that President Trump is not acting in accordance to his oath. The oath you took and I did, to defend the Constitution. You took an oath.

GRAHAM: Yeah, I did. I don’t agree with you. And I gotta go.

VETERAN: Is that it?

GRAHAM: Yep. That’s it.

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marcusgorillius  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:30:52am

re: #3 Belafon

Fuck Graham , him and every other Republican enabler should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. I’m so fucking sick of these people.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:32:14am

re: #3 Belafon

I Marine Corps veteran confronted Graham about his oaths, and Graham ran away. I can’t embed the video at work, but it’s located here:

Graham doesn’t believe anything he’s doing.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:32:20am

re: #4 marcusgorillius

Fuck Graham , him and every other Republican enabler should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. I’m so fucking sick of these people.

Greg Sargent: “It’s time to drop the posture that Trump’s defenders can be shamed into accepting what has been unearthed, or that they can be shamed into arguing from a baseline of shared democratic values, or into arguing over how to interpret a comprehensive set of shared facts.”

“Instead, let’s rhetorically treat Trump’s defenders as his criminal accomplices. Not just as ‘enablers’ of Trump’s corruption but as active participants in it.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:32:52am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Graham doesn’t believe anything he’s doing.

its like they are all brainwashed

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marcusgorillius  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:33:17am

re: #6 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

I couldn’t agree more!

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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:33:53am

Republicans are just evil. As cartoonish as that sounds, it is the central reality of US politics.

Trump is Spiritual Leader and True Voice of the Pig People because his supporters find validation of their character defects in Trump’s encyclopedic compilation of character defects.

So Trump is the cause of nothing and the symptom of everything.

Never-Trump Republicans are a pitiful bunch who are willfully blind to the fact that everything the GOP has done for decades has had the only and completely inevitable effect of leading to Trump and Trumpism. Once a party’s base prefers propaganda to fact, it will simply follow the propagandist whose lies they like the most.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:36:18am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:36:34am

Not “some” ALL.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:37:44am
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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:38:59am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Graham doesn’t believe anything he’s doing.

At this point, I wouldn’t be shocked either way that Graham voted. I would not be surprised if he votes to acquit because he’s a sniveling little coward. I would not be surprised if he votes to convict because he’s a sniveling little coward who deep down really does despise Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:39:25am

re: #10 Dread Pirate

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Because Trump owns his ass.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:40:24am

re: #13 KGxvi

At this point, I wouldn’t be shocked either way that Graham voted. I would not be surprised if he votes to acquit because he’s a sniveling little coward. I would not be surprised if he votes to convict because he’s a sniveling little coward who deep down really does despise Trump.

I honestly find him more despicable than the few true believers since it’s entirely opportunistic.

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marcusgorillius  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:41:22am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Lindsey Graham died the same day John McCain did.

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:42:41am

re: #2 Belafon

That doesn’t make any sense at all.

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:43:34am

I was briefly listening to MSNBC while driving this morning and they mentioned that the Intelligence Committee’s portion of the inquiry is likely done and now it’ll go to the House Judiciary Committee. They also mentioned that there might be additional hearings and it got me thinking…

additional hearings before the Judiciary Committee make sense. But not fact witnesses. These should be expert witnesses - law professors, constitutional law scholars, lawyers, historians - who can put Trump’s high crimes and misdemeanors in the proper historical context. They might not be as exciting as the fact witnesses (and John Bolton, if you’d like to testify, I’m sure you’re still welcome), but I think they’re necessary for the narrative of the impeachment process.

Just like in litigation, you gather the facts through discovery, then you get expert witnesses to explain the relative importance of the facts.

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:43:39am

re: #16 marcusgorillius

No, Lindsey has always been a complete asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:43:40am

re: #16 marcusgorillius

Lindsey Graham died the same day John McCain did.

He’s revealed himself to be completely lacking any principles or scruples. The way he attacked Dr. Ford can’t be forgotten nor his actions here.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:45:31am

re: #18 KGxvi

I was briefly listening to MSNBC while driving this morning and they mentioned that the Intelligence Committee’s portion of the inquiry is likely done and now it’ll go to the House Judiciary Committee. They also mentioned that there might be additional hearings and it got me thinking…

additional hearings before the Judiciary Committee make sense. But not fact witnesses. These should be expert witnesses - law professors, constitutional law scholars, lawyers, historians - who can put Trump’s high crimes and misdemeanors in the proper historical context. They might not be as exciting as the fact witnesses (and John Bolton, if you’d like to testify, I’m sure you’re still welcome), but I think they’re necessary for the narrative of the impeachment process.

Just like in litigation, you gather the facts through discovery, then you get expert witnesses to explain the relative importance of the facts.

Yeah I think the American people need to hear why Trump needs to go in a legal and historical context.

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:48:24am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

He’s revealed himself to be completely lacking any principles or scruples. The way he attacked Dr. Ford can’t be forgotten nor his actions here.

There’s a reason Andrew Sullivan nicknamed him Senator Butters.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:49:20am

re: #22 KGxvi

There’s a reason Andrew Sullivan nicknamed him Senator Butters.

Yep even an old jerk like Sully sometimes gets it right. I’ve never been a Graham admirer but before Trump I thought he had something of a code.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:50:09am

I see they are still trying to force individual trade agreements on each country in the EU.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:54:25am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Because Trump Russia owns his ass.

Fixed that for you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:55:12am

re: #22 KGxvi

There’s a reason Andrew Sullivan nicknamed him Senator Butters.

And if you consider that Trump is his Cartman, the comparison is perfect.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:56:02am

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Fixed that for you.

I dunno tbh. I think he’s definitely being blackmailed. His transformation from one of Trump’s biggest critics to an outright enabler is something else tho.

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:56:17am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

And if you consider that Trump is his Cartman, the comparison is perfect.

McCain used to be his Cartman, but Trump is a very good Cartman.

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:57:40am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I dunno tbh. I think he’s definitely being blackmailed. His transformation from one of Trump’s biggest critics to an outright enabler is something else tho.

I’m old enough to remember when Trump gave out Graham’s private cell phone at a press conference

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:58:57am

re: #29 KGxvi

I’m old enough to remember when Trump gave out Graham’s private cell phone at a press conference

Or when Graham said we deserve to lose if we nominate him. Graham I can easily see reverting back to anti Trump if one or both finds themselves unemployed next fall.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:59:34am

re: #28 KGxvi

McCain used to be his Cartman, but Trump is a very good Cartman.

Now if only we could get Trump to the “Screw you guys! I’m going home!” point.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:02:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:06:09pm

re: #32 jaunte

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Didn’t expect Bribery Bondi to replace Rudy on the show.

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:09:54pm

re: #32 jaunte

Trump has always been against corruption… that didn’t include him getting paid.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:12:20pm

re: #18 KGxvi

I was briefly listening to MSNBC while driving this morning and they mentioned that the Intelligence Committee’s portion of the inquiry is likely done and now it’ll go to the House Judiciary Committee. They also mentioned that there might be additional hearings and it got me thinking…

additional hearings before the Judiciary Committee make sense. But not fact witnesses. These should be expert witnesses - law professors, constitutional law scholars, lawyers, historians - who can put Trump’s high crimes and misdemeanors in the proper historical context. They might not be as exciting as the fact witnesses (and John Bolton, if you’d like to testify, I’m sure you’re still welcome), but I think they’re necessary for the narrative of the impeachment process.

Just like in litigation, you gather the facts through discovery, then you get expert witnesses to explain the relative importance of the facts.

No offense, but I don’t think we need a repeat of the John Dean “hearing” we had earlier this year. Really, we should do everything we can to avoid getting down into the weeds of legal theory and historical context, save that for the trial where we can have Repubs looking like fools for dragging in those folks to try to argue that Donny’s power is absolute.

I have no problem with saying aloud that the hearings under Jerry Nadler earlier this year were a disaster and should not be the template for going forward. If he wants to bring in further fact witnesses or persons whose testimony bears direct relevance on the events, then more power to him and I will tune in to see those. But if we’re going to get prolonged sessions of debating the finer points of whether Donny broke the law or not, then I’ve got some cleaning around the house that is of greater interest.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:14:13pm

re: #34 KGxvi

Corruption is other people getting things like money and attention.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:14:44pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:18:33pm

Fascinating. Really.

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uncah91  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:18:59pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Stephens would probably wax fulsomely poetic about the difference between metaphor and simile and how similes are fine …

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:19:28pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

No offense, but I don’t think we need a repeat of the John Dean “hearing” we had earlier this year. Really, we should do everything we can to avoid getting down into the weeds of legal theory and historical context, save that for the trial where we can have Repubs looking like fools for dragging in those folks to try to argue that Donny’s power is absolute.

I have no problem with saying aloud that the hearings under Jerry Nadler earlier this year were a disaster and should not be the template for going forward. If he wants to bring in further fact witnesses or persons whose testimony bears direct relevance on the events, then more power to him and I will tune in to see those. But if we’re going to get prolonged sessions of debating the finer points of whether Donny broke the law or not, then I’ve got some cleaning around the house that is of greater interest.

The problem with that earlier hearing was that there was no real context for it, and it was basically a stunt. I think with the context of the hearings with fact witnesses in the books, having someone explain the historical/constitutional issues that isn’t a member of congress could actually help.

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sagehen  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:22:31pm

re: #16 marcusgorillius

Lindsey Graham died the same day John McCain did.

I recently re-watched an episode of Veronica Mars that centered on a secret society (sort of a Skull & Bones type thing) where as part of initiation, the prospective members are interrogated and dirt collected about their lives to date. Rapes, murders, robberies, and a slew of lesser crimes (or just super-embarrassing stuff).

Veronica steals the hard drive with all these audio files, gets caught, and goes to return it to the guy whose house she stole it from. He threatens to call the police, she says “go ahead, and this hard drive becomes evidence and everything on it becomes public.” The guy decides not to call the police after all.

This made me think of the hacked RNC server, none of the contents of which have ever been released. But presumably it contained all the Senators’ self-oppo, so the party would be prepared to respond if any of what the candidates had reported to RSCC ever came out during an election.

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mmmirele  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:23:47pm

re: #11 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Not “some” ALL.

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You’ve not lived until you’ve had an 11 YO boy tell you that women who have abortions should be executed. That’s the church in my neighborhood.

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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:26:36pm

re: #16 marcusgorillius

Lindsey Graham died the same day John McCain did.

I think a small part of this circus will be the kompromat on Lindsey Graham coming out, and it will be so bad that nobody will talk to him again for the rest of his life (assuming applicable statutes of limitations have passed), not even his fellow Republican crooks.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:27:35pm

I have reached a reasonably safe space in Novaya Trumpograd, aka Lubbock, in the form of the tallest local hotel.

Or have I?

Today is 39th anniversary of fatal MGM Grand fire

It is the 39th anniversary of the MGM Grand (now Bally’s) fire that killed 87 people and injured more than 700.

The fire on Nov. 21, 1980, started in a deli on the casino level. It spread upward through the hotel’s ventilation system. Many people who died were killed by smoke or carbon monoxide.

My dad was a fire chief in California at the time, and got live updates via Telex. He selected and alerted choppers and engine crews to head for Vegas if the Clark County authorities requested them. This proved unnecessary and they stood down.

He was furious for days when he found out about the extraordinary level of negligence and bungling that led not just to the fire, but to the incredible loss of life (damage to the building was superficial and it is, in fact, still open). Among other things a local building inspector had granted the hotel a waiver on the requirement for sprinklers in the main casino and the adjacent restaurant. The reasoning was that since these facilities were occupied 24 hours a day, any fire would be spotted immediately and occupants could flee before it spread. The fire actually did start in the casino restaurant, which was closed at the time. 47 people died in the casino. The best sprinklers and fire precautions were in the cash-counting area. Go figure.
Among other things, it was probably the largest single-site helicopter rescue in history, at least on land. A fleet of military, police, state and commercial choppers pulled more than 1000 people off the roof or it would have been much, much worse.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:28:55pm
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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:30:20pm

re: #38 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It is an interesting read. Having been on the inside of the conservative movement for some time, I can definitely attest to how it’s changed in the age of Trump - though that started near the end of the GWB administration, when the economy collapsed. The crazy has accelerated in the Trump era.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:30:39pm

re: #43 EPR-radar

I think a small part of this circus will be the kompromat on Lindsey Graham coming out, and it will be so bad that nobody will talk to him again for the rest of his life (assuming applicable statutes of limitations have passed), not even his fellow Republican crooks.

If I had to bet, I’d put my money on under-age boys.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:31:16pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

[@crampell
A Florida dog put a car into reverse and drove it in circles for nearly an hourhttps://cnn.com

Florida Dog?
Florida Pup?

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:33:51pm

re: #40 KGxvi

The problem with that earlier hearing was that there was no real context for it, and it was basically a stunt. I think with the context of the hearings with fact witnesses in the books, having someone explain the historical/constitutional issues that isn’t a member of congress could actually help.

Again, I feel such would be best held off until the Senate trial, where the immediacy of events would bring greater focus on the arguments those experts could bring to the proceedings. If nothing else, we’d avoid Repubs bitching on live TV that the House Dems have time to bring in experts to offer opinions, but no time to holding a minority hearing with the witnesses they want to hear from.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:34:21pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

What if we add dancing bears or an indi band?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:34:33pm

re: #46 KGxvi

It is an interesting read. Having been on the inside of the conservative movement for some time, I can definitely attest to how it’s changed in the age of Trump - though that started near the end of the GWB administration, when the economy collapsed. The crazy has accelerated in the Trump era.

I agree, it has gotten much worse. But it’s kind of hard to read this at National Review without pointing out that they played a HUGE, influential role in making it worse, for years. Sure would be nice if some of these never-Trumpers would acknowledge that.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:36:41pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Florida Man’s best friend.

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sagehen  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:38:17pm

re: #46 KGxvi

It is an interesting read. Having been on the inside of the conservative movement for some time, I can definitely attest to how it’s changed in the age of Trump - though that started near the end of the GWB administration, when the economy collapsed. The crazy has accelerated in the Trump era.

“A wave of hateful bigots just coincidentally happened to emerge from under rocks during the past three years, as if they perceived some sort of national green light, some sort of giant signal that it was okay to express these views and behave this way. God only knows what could have given them that idea. Either way, the country is coming apart at the seams, so this is no time to abandon the president!”

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:39:07pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Florida Man’s best friend.

And with friends like these…

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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:40:45pm

re: #53 sagehen

“A wave of hateful bigots just coincidentally happened to emerge from under rocks during the past three years, as if they perceived some sort of national green light, some sort of giant signal that it was okay to express these views and behave this way. God only knows what could have given them that idea. Either way, the country is coming apart at the seams, so this is no time to abandon the president!”

This is a decent start, but I’d want much more from any National Review regular before admitting them back into the civilization they have worked so diligently to turn to barbarism.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:44:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:45:38pm

re: #48 I Would Prefer Not To

Florida Dog?
Florida Pup?

It’s Florida man’s best friend.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:45:50pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

D’oh!

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:47:51pm

re: #10 Dread Pirate

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just like schiff said yesterday - the difference is the two congresses

watch when they start to ‘officially’ quote lindsey’s own words as the ‘standard’

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:49:53pm

re: #18 KGxvi

I was briefly listening to MSNBC while driving this morning and they mentioned that the Intelligence Committee’s portion of the inquiry is likely done and now it’ll go to the House Judiciary Committee. They also mentioned that there might be additional hearings and it got me thinking…

additional hearings before the Judiciary Committee make sense. But not fact witnesses. These should be expert witnesses - law professors, constitutional law scholars, lawyers, historians - who can put Trump’s high crimes and misdemeanors in the proper historical context. They might not be as exciting as the fact witnesses (and John Bolton, if you’d like to testify, I’m sure you’re still welcome), but I think they’re necessary for the narrative of the impeachment process.

Just like in litigation, you gather the facts through discovery, then you get expert witnesses to explain the relative importance of the facts.

i predict more fact witnesses because ukraine isnt gonna be the only topic/article

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:50:01pm

I read that Geraghty article at NRO and honestly? It pissed me off.

No, I’ve never been the kind of person who thinks it would be great to have an asshole maniac in charge of the country, because he treats the people who criticize me like shit. Geraghty is actually describing really bad, stupid people here, and treating them as if it’s just normal to be that way.

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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:51:24pm

re: #56 jaunte

Shorter Rich Lowry: “Tax cuts uber alles”.

The National Review crowd can rejoin civilization by publicly leaving the GOP. Until then, they are just another part of the Trump-enabling GOP establishment, and should be treated with the extreme contempt that role deserves.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:52:13pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:54:37pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

I read that Geraghty article at NRO and honestly? It pissed me off.

No, I’ve never been the kind of person who thinks it would be great to have an asshole maniac in charge of the country, because he treats the people who criticize me like shit. Geraghty is actually describing really bad, stupid people here, and treating them as if it’s just normal to be that way.

Everyone of above-average intelligence has had at least one moment growing up where a stupid kid thinks bullying can cover up for stupidity and incompetence.

It used to be true that this tended to get less common as everyone got older. But now the Republicans have turned exactly that kind of stupid malice into the core of their political party.

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:57:17pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

If I had to bet, I’d put my money on under-age boys.

Unfortunately, that’s my suspicion as well. I’d hazard a guess probably between the ages of 15-17.* If Graham did do such a thing, did he do so in U.S. jurisdiction or in a location monitored by the Russians, or perhaps as part of a honey trap set up by Russian intelligence/Russian oligarchs?

* Disclosure: I was 15 (but still looked like a middle schooler) when I fended off my first out-of-blue lewd solicitation by a grown man.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:57:38pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

I read that Geraghty article at NRO and honestly? It pissed me off.

No, I’ve never been the kind of person who thinks it would be great to have an asshole maniac in charge of the country, because he treats the people who criticize me like shit. Geraghty is actually describing really bad, stupid people here, and treating them as if it’s just normal to be that way.

Agreed. But that it’s from the NRO was what made it fascinating. Sure, in a train hitting a Devin’s cow kinda way. But something like that at NRO? Surprising.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:59:11pm

re: #53 sagehen

ADDENDA: Sorry for the big long one today. A lot of people who loved the first half will probably hate the second half, and a lot of people who hated the first half will probably love the second half . .

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:00:21pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

I didn’t even bother.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:07:11pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

I agree, it has gotten much worse. But it’s kind of hard to read this at National Review without pointing out that they played a HUGE, influential role in making it worse, for years. Sure would be nice if some of these never-Trumpers would acknowledge that.

NRO was home base for a lot of “academic” minded white nationalists too.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:11:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:14:26pm

re: #3 Belafon

I Marine Corps veteran confronted Graham about his oaths, and Graham ran away. I can’t embed the video at work, but it’s located here:

here’s the video:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:16:08pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey Graham ran away from veteran who tried to talk to him about Donald Trump violating his oath of office

On his was to his Grindr date (no worry, he is over 18 as of Thursday)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:16:45pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:21:23pm

Ooops.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:21:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:22:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:24:13pm
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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:25:23pm

re: #60 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

i predict more fact witnesses because ukraine isnt gonna be the only topic/article

I would be fine with that, but I don’t think they’re going to go super broad on impeachment. Like I don’t think we will see charges of nepotism and emoluments and the using national emergency declarations to bypass congress. Even though I would love to see that

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BeachDem  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:27:28pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Everything about Jordan reeks of a man willing to cast aside common decency and fairness in service of a corrupt and cruel president. He may be the most unfit man to ever represent part of Greater Cleveland in Congress.

Shorter and more to the point.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:27:41pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ick.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:28:44pm

re: #79 BeachDem

“Everything about Jordan reeks of a man willing to cast aside common decency and fairness in service of a corrupt and cruel president. He may be the most unfit man to ever represent part of Greater Cleveland in Congress.

Shorter and more to the point.

And you know what for all the supposed Trumpian disdain towards career politicians, Jordan is exactly that.

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:29:20pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

No running on the deck. Where is the lifeguard?!

That’s just too cute.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:29:54pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lifeguard: [tweet]NO RUNNING BY THE POOL! [tweet tweet]HEY, NO RUNNING BY THE POOL! [tweet]HEY GUYS … Awww fuck it

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:30:10pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

I read that Geraghty article at NRO and honestly? It pissed me off.

No, I’ve never been the kind of person who thinks it would be great to have an asshole maniac in charge of the country, because he treats the people who criticize me like shit. Geraghty is actually describing really bad, stupid people here, and treating them as if it’s just normal to be that way.

This paragraph jumped out at me:

Doesn’t he see the importance of defending Trump now? The Democrats have the House, the Senate’s hanging by a thread, the GOP keeps getting wiped out in suburbs, House Republicans are retiring in droves, and young people are more enthusiastic about socialism than ever before!

The fact that the people he’s talking about/to can’t fathom that those things might be connected? Nobody wants to recognize that Trump is the reason they lost the House? Or that they’re losing voters that used to vote for them?

Though I suppose that’s part of the point, that there’s no self-reflection or introspection among the Trumparati. Which is why, ultimately, they will lose.

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mmmirele  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:30:22pm

re: #65 A Three Hour Tour

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Mike Lamb  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:32:57pm

re: #82 lawhawk

No running on the deck. Where is the lifeguard?!

That’s just too cute.

The dry dogs = the life guards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:38:07pm

re: #86 Mike Lamb

The dry dogs = the life guards.

that little Frenchie is gonna need some help with that.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:40:04pm

Now the Times have published their own exclusive on the Horowitz report, stating that it will debunk a lot of the CTs that Donny and his cohorts have been spreading for months. While there will be tidbits to make the wingnuts happy, the overall report will say that Mueller’s investigation was on the level and the FISA warrants were legit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:40:24pm
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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:41:29pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is Hannity. He will say both.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:41:53pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Now the Times have published their own exclusive on the Horowitz report, stating that it will debunk a lot of the CTs that Donny and his cohorts have been spreading for months. While there will be tidbits to make the wingnuts happy, the overall report will say that Mueller’s investigation was on the level and the FISA warrants were legit.

Please. It’s the Fake NYT News.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:42:43pm

re: #90 Belafon

This is Hannity. He will say both.

He’ll say that the report is so devastating to the Dems that the entire Mueller Report has been invalidated and Trump totally vindicated, but Barr’s refusal to indict everybody on the wingnut hit list is just further “proof” of the “deep state’s” corruption of the DOJ.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:43:00pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:44:32pm

re: #93 jaunte

It’s a pity that adding “because he” in the middle would put that text right over his ugly face, ruining the meme’s value as a personal insult.

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Jay C  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:47:17pm

re: #79 BeachDem

“Everything about Jordan reeks of a man willing to cast aside common decency and fairness in service of a corrupt and cruel president. He may be the most unfit man to ever represent part of Greater Cleveland in Congress.

Shorter and more to the point.

Am I the only one who read “Grover Cleveland” there for a minute and got a serious confuze?

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 1:49:39pm

Caught assisting in a Russian agitprop campaign.

Yeah, Trumpworld were fucking traitors. And this is why they’re fighting on impeachment and lying their asses off - because they know how badly they’re all fucked if any of this generates the traction it should.

It’s why they’re spending millions on facebook misinformation efforts to keep people thinking that the hearings didn’t find what they did - that Trump engaged in bribery and federal felonies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:02:13pm
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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:05:43pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really love the fact that she isn’t hiding her tattoos like a lot of politicians would be inclined to do.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:05:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:08:19pm
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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:09:54pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:11:47pm

re: #90 Belafon

This is Hannity. He will say both all three.

(yes i know there were only 2)

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:16:49pm
New York Times: “Republicans have sought for weeks amid the impeachment inquiry to shift attention to President Trump’s demands that Ukraine investigate any 2016 election meddling, defending it as a legitimate concern while Democrats accuse Mr. Trump of pursuing fringe theories for his benefit.”

they’re gonna say doesnt matter if it’s false, it was trump’s ‘sincerely held belief’ and that makes it legit

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:17:57pm

re: #65 A Three Hour Tour

Unfortunately, that’s my suspicion as well. I’d hazard a guess probably between the ages of 15-17.* If Graham did do such a thing, did he do so in U.S. jurisdiction or in a location monitored by the Russians, or perhaps as part of a honey trap set up by Russian intelligence/Russian oligarchs?

* Disclosure: I was 15 (but still looked like a middle schooler) when I fended off my first out-of-blue lewd solicitation by a grown man.

I was about 11 or 12. My parents took me to a picnic lunch at their friends house in the country. I went out to a pond nearby because it was so boring. Some 30-something guy (their adult son? I had no idea) followed me and started telling me about how good it felt the first time he was molested in the projection booth of a movie theater. I walked fast as fuck back to the house. Of course I never told anyone.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:20:06pm

From the “Bitches for Hillary” faceplant page:

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Jay C  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:20:45pm

re: #98 KGxvi

I really love the fact that she isn’t hiding her tattoos like a lot of politicians would be inclined to do.

According to Wiki, the ink is there to hide scars she got in combat in Afghanistan: along with a Purple Heart (helo pilot).

So I guess the GOPers can go dig out their old Purple Heart Band-Aids from 2004 to insult yet another veteran…

Unfortunately, while Hegar sounds like a excellent choice (and worth contributing to), I wouldn’t want to bet too much on her chances against Cornyn next year. Not that she’s a BAD candidate: she just suffers from a political malady all too common on the (D) side in this era: inexperience. The Dem bench - especially in some “red” states is all too shallow. Nothing against MJ, but with little on her (non-military) resume except “failed Congressional candidate”, it’s going to be a strenuous uphill battle against an entrenched politician with a statewide machine (and unlimited funding) backing him up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:23:01pm

I’m thinking Democrats should really focus efforts on Texas. If that state could somehow turn blue it would REALLY cripple Donnies chances of getting re-elected.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:26:49pm

a pretty good reason why the house may not want to or have to wait for the court decisions re testifying:

Josh Marshall

The column points out (via some input from a former DOJer & AUSA) that the Democrats will have the opportunity to compel, directly, responsive testimony in the Senate should their impeachment managers request it - dox, mulvaney, bolton, mcghan et al … and, that the decision to allow or not would be made directly by the presiding officer at trial, the Chief Justice of SCOTUS.

and because it has to be ‘responsive’ it may limit the R’s ability to call, say, hunter biden and like that

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:27:54pm

re: #106 Jay C

According to Wiki, the ink is there to hide scars she got in combat in Afghanistan: along with a Purple Heart (helo pilot).

So I guess the GOPers can go dig out their old Purple Heart Band-Aids from 2004 to insult yet another veteran…

Unfortunately, while Hegar sounds like a excellent choice (and worth contributing to), I wouldn’t want to bet too much on her chances against Cornyn next year. Not that she’s a BAD candidate: she just suffers from a political malady all too common on the (D) side in this era: inexperience. The Dem bench - especially in some “red” states is all too shallow. Nothing against MJ, but with little on her (non-military) resume except “failed Congressional candidate”, it’s going to be a strenuous uphill battle against an entrenched politician with a statewide machine (and unlimited funding) backing him up.

Maybe, maybe not. Cornyn doesn’t have a great approval rating - according to morning consult he’s actually got a lower approval rating than Cruz at the moment. And Trump’s approval rating is pretty low for a Republican in Texas (as in low single digits on most days). There may be a negative coattails effect for Republicans in 2020.

Hopefully she and other Texas Democrats learned from Beto’s run in 2018 and will be working to bring in new Democratic voters. It’d also be nice if the DNC were willing/able to spend some funds expanding the playing field.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:29:55pm

re: #106 Jay C

According to Wiki, the ink is there to hide scars she got in combat in Afghanistan: along with a Purple Heart (helo pilot).

So I guess the GOPers can go dig out their old Purple Heart Band-Aids from 2004 to insult yet another veteran…

Unfortunately, while Hegar sounds like a excellent choice (and worth contributing to), I wouldn’t want to bet too much on her chances against Cornyn next year. Not that she’s a BAD candidate: she just suffers from a political malady all too common on the (D) side in this era: inexperience. The Dem bench - especially in some “red” states is all too shallow. Nothing against MJ, but with little on her (non-military) resume except “failed Congressional candidate”, it’s going to be a strenuous uphill battle against an entrenched politician with a statewide machine (and unlimited funding) backing him up.

Her inexperience isn’t going to matter at all here in Texas. She will either beat Cornyn because enough people are fed up to kick him out of office, or she will lose because they aren’t. It helps to have a charismatic figure to draw people out, but there’s not going to be an experience argument at all. Democrats with experience have lost to Republicans with less.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:32:03pm

re: #108 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

As mistermix points out at balloon-juice.com, the Senate gets to make its own rules, and could set up rules to be allowed to vote on any testimony. So, Roberts could say yes, and then the majority of the Senate says nope.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:33:02pm

re: #109 KGxvi

Maybe, maybe not. Cornyn doesn’t have a great approval rating - according to morning consult he’s actually got a lower approval rating than Cruz at the moment. And Trump’s approval rating is pretty low for a Republican in Texas (as in low single digits on most days). There may be a negative coattails effect for Republicans in 2020.

Hopefully she and other Texas Democrats learned from Beto’s run in 2018 and will be working to bring in new Democratic voters. It’d also be nice if the DNC were willing/able to spend some funds expanding the playing field.

Remember how people refuse to donate to the DNC?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:33:48pm

re: #111 Belafon

As mistermix points out at balloon-juice.com, the Senate gets to make its own rules, and could set up rules to be allowed to vote on any testimony. So, Roberts could say yes, and then the majority of the Senate says nope.

yes he made that point too:

A majority of the Senate can also overrule his rulings. But that means owning overruling a Chief Justice strongly identified as a conservative and a Republican.

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:34:06pm

re: #85 mmmirele

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:34:54pm

re: #111 Belafon

As mistermix points out at balloon-juice.com, the Senate gets to make its own rules, and could set up rules to be allowed to vote on any testimony. So, Roberts could say yes, and then the majority of the Senate says nope.

Entirely possible, but it still puts Republicans in the Senate in the position to have to overrule the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court on a question of law… to protect an unpopular president charged with actual crimes in an election year.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:35:40pm

I was born exactly one year after JFK’s assassination.

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IngisKahn  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:37:45pm

We were assassinated exactly one year after JFK’s birth.
- The Romanovs

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:37:57pm

re: #113 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

yes he made that point too:

re: #115 KGxvi

Entirely possible, but it still puts Republicans in the Senate in the position to have to overrule the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court on a question of law… to protect an unpopular president charged with actual crimes in an election year.

And I definitely think they should be put on record for that.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:43:11pm

Renowned authors CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley both died on the same day JFK was assassinated.

Media coverage of Lewis’s death was almost completely overshadowed by news of the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy, which occurred on the same day (approximately 55 minutes following Lewis’s collapse), as did the death of English writer Aldous Huxley, author of Brave New World. This coincidence was the inspiration for Peter Kreeft’s book Between Heaven and Hell: A Dialog Somewhere Beyond Death with John F. Kennedy, C. S. Lewis, & Aldous Huxley.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:44:37pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Renowned authors CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley both died on the same day JFK was assassinated.

I blame Doctor Who (which started on that day).

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:45:40pm

re: #120 Belafon

I blame Doctor Who (which started on that day).

The day after, actually.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:47:30pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Renowned authors CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley both died on the same day JFK was assassinated.

This coincidence is just begging for a conspiracy theory linking Lewis and Huxley to JFK. Surely someone has invented one.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:47:43pm

re: #121 A Three Hour Tour

The day after, actually.

Thanks.

But maybe he time traveled.

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mmmirele  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:48:06pm

Back in September, Australia’s right wing prime minister, Scott Morrison, paid a visit to Washington and was awarded a state dinner in return. Two months later, the Australian press is STILL trying to determine if Morrison tried to get his “spiritual advisor” Brian Houston, the lead pastor of the Hillsong megachurch chain*, invited to the state dinner. Apparently someone in the White House or at the State Department raised a red flag, because Houston continues to remain under investigation for covering up his father’s sexual abuse of boys.

SBS News filed a Freedom of Information request and it was denied with this blather:

“In light of the significance of Australia’s relationship with the United States… I am satisfied that disclosure of a document containing information communicated in confidence between the United States and Australia may diminish the confidence which the United States would have in Australia as a reliable recipient of its confidential information, making the United States or its agencies less willing to cooperate with Australian agencies in (sic) future,” Assistant Secretary Alison Green said in response to the request.

It’s just a guest list…what’s the problem? Well, except for the fact that the requested guest

was criticised by the Royal Commission into the Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse for failing to tell police his father was a self-confessed child abuser.

One of my Aussie picketing buddies is terribly amused by this. The Australian press is not dropping this, and in every single story, Houston’s coverup of his father sexual abuse is mentioned.

sbs.com.au

*a franchise location is two miles to the west of my house.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:48:43pm
126
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:51:47pm

re: #120 Belafon

I blame Doctor Who (which started on that day).

re: #121 A Three Hour Tour

The day after, actually.

All this probably had Lewis’s friend J.R.R. Tolkien shaking his head and asking, “What the hell just happened here?”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:08:48pm

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

I was born exactly one year after JFK’s assassination.

Happy Birthday!

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:12:25pm

From Charlie Pierce’s last post of the week: esquire.com

Top Commenter Tom Klee had an interesting perspective on the testimony of Dr. Fiona Hill on Thursday. The Committee agreed with it and awarded him 80.11 Beckhams in return as Top Commenter Of The Week.

Somebody is going to have to sweep up the accumulation of Republican balls laying on the floor after taking on Dr. Hill.

At least we’ll know where they are.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:15:56pm

re: #127 I Would Prefer Not To

Happy Birthday!

My 18yo son is making dinner for us tonight. Regardless of the taste, the happiness level is off the charts.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:16:11pm
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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:19:18pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:20:58pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:30:37pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:32:21pm

re: #129 Barefoot Grin

My 18yo son is making dinner for us tonight. Regardless of the taste, the happiness level is off the charts.

There are many advantages to having grown children

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:35:49pm
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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:38:55pm
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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:41:23pm
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:47:56pm

re: #137 makeitstop

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Grownup Ralphie Parker is having a bad week also. Good, fuck him.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:51:10pm
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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:52:05pm

Juanita Jean has an interesting post!

Louie Gohmert has three children. One of them moved to California and adopted the stage name of Bellsaint. She’s s singer/songwriter.

She just released a song called Much Like My Father.

Lyrics:

[Verse 1]
Everybody loves you
But there’s poison in the water
You get away with everything
Much like my father …..

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:56:30pm
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uriel  Nov 22, 2019 • 4:03:53pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

Again, I feel such would be best held off until the Senate trial, where the immediacy of events would bring greater focus on the arguments those experts could bring to the proceedings.

I can understand that reasoning, but there’s absolutely no indication that the senate hearings are going to be anything other than a ludicrous circus.

The house hearings are the Dems best chance to get the facts out in an organized, cogent manner before the senate republicans get to start he-hawing, high-fiving and heaving hyperbolic manure left and right. The reasonable people need to build up as much momentum as they can now to fight back against the avalanche of idiocy were all about to endure.

I’m pretty much expecting a re-enactment of the “Not sure vs. Beef Supreme Monday Nigh Rehabilitation” match, but with senators. And I don’t really see Roberts getting in the way of that. (Video related.)

YouTube

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2019 • 5:08:36pm

re: #137 makeitstop

Just read an article in Vanity Fair about his whack father.

vanityfair.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:56:08pm

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EVGENY POBOZHIY QUINTET - Stranger Thoughts Evgeny Pobozhiy Quintet - Stranger Thoughts Evgeny Pobozhiy - guitar, compositionAnton Chekurov - saxNikolai Sidorenko - keysSergey Korchagin - bassAlexander Kulkov - drumsRecorded live @ Blues-minus studio, MoscowViktor Farafontov - sound engineerAndrey Galyamin - videoSergey Gasparyan - mixing2019 ...
Thanos
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 191201 It was an ‘easy’ unchallenging weekend. While low key, we got a lot done. We worked on the upper wall, setting and pounding in the 72 bags we dropped in last week. There are now two courses done completely ...
Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
6 days, 4 hours ago
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