This Is Good: Some More News Dives Deeply Into What It All Means: “The Impeachable Mr. Trump” [VIDEO]

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In today’s episode of Some More News, we take a look at everything you need to know about Trump’s impeachment inquiry, as of the filming of the day we filmed this.

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1
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:05:36pm

The impeachment Hearings have brought us one good thing: the level of discourse there is a lot more serious that what we have been getting on the social or broadcast media. We are seeing and hearing from experts who do not suffer fools, dissemblers or conspiracy theorists.

This puts the GOP at a disadvantage as that is the very air they breathe these days.

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terraincognita  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:07:19pm

I finished A Warning by Anonymous and can ardently recommend reading it. Be prepared to be challenged near the end and what needs to be done in order for this democratic republic to survive.

The text can be juxtaposed with other literary works into a dismal projection of what may come of us…

“President Trump is fundamentally undermining our perceptions of “truth.” He has taken us down a dark, subjectivist rabbit hole. To him, there is no real truth. If people believe something is true, that make it true. A scientist will tell you a tree is a tree. It cannot be both a tree and a sheep at the same time. Not for the president. A tree is only a tree to him if we all agree it is. If he can convince us it’s sheep, then it is a sheep.” (A Warning, Anonymous)
——————————————————-
“You are a slow learner, Winston,’ said O’Brien gently.’How can I help it?’ he blubbered. ‘How can I help seeingwhat is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.’Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once.You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.” (1984, George Orwell)

Think of this when Trump speaks at his next fetid campaign rally or Two Minute Hate, if you prefer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:08:33pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:12:37pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:16:37pm

again, if Trump had not been so completely heavy-handed and cocksure that he could get away with it, he could have built in several layers of deniability: just “encouraging” Ukraine to open a broad range of corruption investigations, in which the Bidens would figure prominently, etc…

I really think that the professional diplomats were not just going to sit idly by and let him try to pull off such a brazen stunt when the least bit of thought or effort would have made it at least look like diplomacy and not extortion and abuse of power.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:23:58pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:33:56pm

My predictions on Impeachment are the following:

1) The senate trial will be over ridiculously fast.

2) The Senate will vote NOT to impeach Trump.

3) Mcconnell, Gaetz, Jordan, Nunes, half the fucking Senate and any male named Trump will gloat mercilessly about how the Dems lost the “Witch Hunt.”

4) Russia will once again fuck us all and get Trump re-elected next year.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:36:07pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

My predictions on Impeachment are the following:

1) The senate trial will be over ridiculously fast.

2) The Senate will vote NOT to impeach Trump.

3) Mcconnell, Gaetz, Jordan, Nunes, half the fucking Senate and any male named Trump will gloat mercilessly about how the Dems lost the “Witch Hunt.”

4) Russia will once again fuck us all and get Trump re-elected next year.

I hate to admit that the first three are a given and the fourth has a fair-to-middlin’ chance.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:36:07pm

It is very squeaky

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:36:22pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

My predictions on Impeachment are the following:

1) The senate trial will be over ridiculously fast.

2) The Senate will vote NOT to impeach Trump.

3) Mcconnell, Gaetz, Jordan, Nunes, half the fucking Senate and any male named Trump will gloat mercilessly about how the Dems lost the “Witch Hunt.”

4) Russia will once again fuck us all and get Trump re-elected next year.

4 is not certain. At least that’s my hope. (Russia will fuck, but it may not be enough).

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:41:15pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:44:01pm
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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:48:37pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

My predictions on Impeachment are the following:

1) The senate trial will be over ridiculously fast.

2) The Senate will vote NOT to impeach Trump.

3) Mcconnell, Gaetz, Jordan, Nunes, half the fucking Senate and any male named Trump will gloat mercilessly about how the Dems lost the “Witch Hunt.”

4) Russia will once again fuck us all and get Trump re-elected next year.

I’m going to go against the fourth. They couldn’t win the governorship in KY and LA. They completely lost VA. People will be pissed (far better than resigned) and turn out to vote.

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Jay C  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:48:54pm

re: #9 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It is very squeaky

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Quite.
But then, I think Florencia may have not looked very closely at the little guy: I’m no zoologist, but even I could tell that isn’t a normal “kitten”..😺

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Mattand  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:50:12pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

My predictions on Impeachment are the following:

1) The senate trial will be over ridiculously fast.

2) The Senate will vote NOT to impeach Trump.

3) Mcconnell, Gaetz, Jordan, Nunes, half the fucking Senate and any male named Trump will gloat mercilessly about how the Dems lost the “Witch Hunt.”

4) Russia will once again fuck us all and get Trump re-elected next year.

Yeah, I’m unfortunately here as well. To counteract #4, we need the following people to vote Democratic:

1) The fucking idiot, spineless “independents” who mainline “Both side are bad” like heroin.

2) The Bernie Bros and their “progressive” allies, aka, the suicide bombers of Democratic politics.

3) Never Trumpers and Republicans/conservatives who actually believe in country over power.

It’s a tall order that, when mixed in with Russian interference, will just not happen.

Like I mentioned yesterday, my best friend’s 19-year-old college sophomore kid has decided that Trump is worthy of holding the same office as Lincoln and FDR. If that is a bellwether of the future, we can pretty much kiss functional democracy goodbye.

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:52:48pm

re: #15 Mattand

Yeah, I’m unfortunately here as well. To counteract #4, we need the following people to vote Democratic:

1) The fucking idiot, spineless “independents” who mainline “Both side are bad” like heroin.

2) The Bernie Bros and their “progressive” allies, aka, the suicide bombers of Democratic politics.

3) Never Trumpers and Republicans/conservatives who actually believe in country over power.

It’s a tall order that, when mixed in with Russian interference, will just not happen.

Like I mentioned yesterday, my best friend’s 19-year-old college sophomore kid has decided that Trump is worthy of holding the same office as Lincoln and FDR. If that is a bellwether of the future, we can pretty much kiss functional democracy goodbye.

If I remember the polling correctly, 2/3 of millenials dislike Trump and the GOP. It’s part of the reason the GOP is so intent on making it hard for college students to vote.

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Mattand  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:55:45pm

re: #2 terraincognita

I finished A Warning by Anonymous and can ardently recommend reading it. Be prepared to be challenged near the end and what needs to be done in order for this democratic republic to survive.

The text can be juxtaposed with other literary works into a dismal projection of what may come of us…

“President Trump is fundamentally undermining our perceptions of “truth.” He has taken us down a dark, subjectivist rabbit hole. To him, there is no real truth. If people believe something is true, that make it true. A scientist will tell you a tree is a tree. It cannot be both a tree and a sheep at the same time. Not for the president. A tree is only a tree to him if we all agree it is. If he can convince us it’s sheep, then it is a sheep.” (A Warning, Anonymous)
——————————————————-
“You are a slow learner, Winston,’ said O’Brien gently.’How can I help it?’ he blubbered. ‘How can I help seeingwhat is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.’Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once.You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.” (1984, George Orwell)

Think of this when Trump speaks at his next fetid campaign rally or Two Minute Hate, if you prefer.

Honestly, this isn’t directed at you, but fuck Anonymous. I’m having a huge effing problem with a person who wants everything Trump wants, but is only upset with how he’s going about it. This by their own damn admission in the original NYT editorial.

I mean, seriously; Anonymous is most likely fine with demonizing immigrants, overriding the Constitution with the Bible when convenient, and locking up women who have abortions.

I mean, this motherfucker most likely voted for Trump, and probably will again despite their 300 page prattling, because they won’t correct the situation by voting Democratic.

Seriously, fuck this asshole.

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Mattand  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:58:02pm

re: #16 Belafon

If I remember the polling correctly, 2/3 of millenials dislike Trump and the GOP. It’s part of the reason the GOP is so intent on making it hard for college students to vote.

Again, in my world, I know a 19 year old kid who is on track to becoming a young Republican, as well as my cousins’ Millennial kids who work union jobs and vote GOP.

I hope to God I’m the outlier here. I have a feeling I’m not.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2019 • 12:58:11pm

re: #16 Belafon

If I remember the polling correctly, 2/3 of millenials dislike Trump and the GOP

Yeah, because they are the ones that have to live the longest with all the damage Trump is doing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:02:41pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:13:09pm

re: #13 Belafon

I’m going to go against the fourth. They couldn’t win the governorship in KY and LA. They completely lost VA. People will be pissed (far better than resigned) and turn out to vote.

as long as they turn out to vote in the right places, that they are allowed to vote and that their votes are duly counted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:13:17pm

meanwhile at Brigham Young University:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:15:44pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile at Brigham Young University:

what is the University’s reason for not accepting Medicaid except to be bastards out to harm people to prove an ideological point?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:16:10pm
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makeitstop  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:17:08pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

My predictions on Impeachment are the following:

1) The senate trial will be over ridiculously fast.

2) The Senate will vote NOT to impeach Trump.

3) Mcconnell, Gaetz, Jordan, Nunes, half the fucking Senate and any male named Trump will gloat mercilessly about how the Dems lost the “Witch Hunt.”

4) Russia will once again fuck us all and get Trump re-elected next year.

Where the fuck is that tweet from yesterday? Oh, yeah, here it is.

Whether you realize it or not, you’re resigning. Don’t.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:22:33pm

re: #25 makeitstop

I’m hearing a lot of “Oh well, the Senate won’t convict.”

And THIS is exactly what will make them not convict. We have to create the expectation that they should. You’re creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. You’re giving them an out.

Hold their feet to the fire.

We need to hang this around their necks, the rallying cry of the 2020 election will need to be “The GOP Senate was presented with clear evidence to convict but it punted. Now get out there and vote and finish the job that they were too cowardly to do!”

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:24:11pm

Right, but it could be martians, too.

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makeitstop  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:24:42pm

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We need to hang this around their necks, the rallying cry of the 2020 election will need to be “The GOP Senate was presented with clear evidence to convict but it punted. Now get out there and vote and finish the job that they were too cowardly to do!”

I’m also all for re-focusing how we refer to people like that asshole Kennedy.

He’s not a ‘defender,’ he’s a fucking co-conspirator. Let’s call him that.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:28:50pm

Toilet is installed and no leaks. If I wanted to do it right, I’d have to do some plumbing, but since my middle name is “Cobb” I Macgyvered it. I love the no slam toilet seats.

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BigPapa  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:29:15pm

re: #27 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Look at Kennedy start blinking fast when he lies

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:29:54pm

Ya know who is talking about this, a lot?

Kamala.

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:31:21pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ya know who is talking about this, a lot?

Kamala.

I’ve sure noticed that. I spread around my tiny bit of money earlier, but she is getting all I can now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:32:36pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ya know who is talking about this, a lot?

Kamala.

Yeah but she’s a cop.//

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:33:18pm

re: #28 makeitstop

I’m also all for re-focusing how we refer to people like that asshole Kennedy.

He’s not a ‘defender,’ he’s a fucking co-conspirator. Let’s call him that.

It’s no different than flat earthers or climate hoaxers anti vaxxers etc

They are reality deniers
.:. Crackpots
Unfortunately they hold levers of power and can’t be ignored which I would prefer

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lawhawk  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:33:59pm

I’m well past the point of treating the GOP as honest brokers and that any of them will put the nation first. Have Parnas testify under oath first.

It’s time to treat the GOPers in Congress who were part and parcel of Trumpworld as accomplices, starting with Nunes. Make him testify under oath as to his actions. Call him to testify.

If he doesn’t like it? Too bad. Censure him for being directly involved. Then demand Rudy testify and if not, haul his ass to jail until he complies. The tactics have to be commensurate with the crimes and the outcomes.

Democrats better treat online space more seriously too - because it’s dangerous to ignore how Trump is using Facebook to his advantage.

If Bloomberg and Steyer are serious - that’s where they should spend their money. All of it.

Buy Fox. Go after the right wing echo chamber. Do all of it. And go after Trump directly. Start holding his cronies accountable for ignoring subpoenas. That any of them ignore it means all of them ignore it. There’s no teeth to the requests without consequences.

Make those consequences real and direct.

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:35:00pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

My predictions on Impeachment are the following:

1) The senate trial will be over ridiculously fast.

2) The Senate will vote NOT to impeach Trump.

3) Mcconnell, Gaetz, Jordan, Nunes, half the fucking Senate and any male named Trump will gloat mercilessly about how the Dems lost the “Witch Hunt.”

4) Russia will once again fuck us all and get Trump re-elected next year.

This kind of defeatism makes me really uncomfortable. I realize it is a longshot that Republicans can be convinced, but giving up without trying is not cool. And I am really not OK with the assumption that Trump will win.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:38:13pm

re: #36 Charmingly Persistent

If Trump doesn’t get Impeached in the Senate it will only cost him 53 lunches.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:40:02pm

re: #37 Shropshire Slasher

If Trump doesn’t get Impeached in the Senate it will only cost him 53 lunches.

as if he actually paid for any of them

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steve_davis  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:41:08pm

re: #18 Mattand

Again, in my world, I know a 19 year old kid who is on track to becoming a young Republican, as well as my cousins’ Millennial kids who work union jobs and vote GOP.

I hope to God I’m the outlier here. I have a feeling I’m not.

I teach rooms full of kids who would be delighted if Trump was a graduation speaker. They’re not bad kids. They’re wonderful kids and I love them all, but they’ve grown up in a way that has taught them to compartmentalize all kinds of shit.

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makeitstop  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:42:38pm

re: #36 Charmingly Persistent

This kind of defeatism makes me really uncomfortable. I realize it is a longshot that Republicans can be convinced, but giving up without trying is not cool. And I am really not OK with the assumption that Trump will win.

The defeatism seems to take over when the news cycle slows down.

But look at what’s happened since Friday night - the Nunes revelations, Parnas’ offer to testify, Rudy’s crazy shit yesterday, and today the scramble to cover up what the White House knew to be illegal activity.

What’s the old saying - if you’re defending, you’re losing? They’ve been on the defensive since the House hearings started, and even before then they couldn’t come up with a cogent defense of Trump’s treason.

And so many of us are still ready to throw in the towel.

Just like pre-Blue Wave.
Just like pre-impeachment investigation.
Just like pre-impeachment hearings, and all the damaging testimony they yielded.

I don’t understand why we’re always so goddamn ready to lose.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:45:21pm

Republicans believe they are entitled to win all the time.

Democrats don’t believe they deserve to win.

Wake the fuck up!

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BigPapa  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:48:14pm

Only 15 GOP need to flip. Schiff is doing his damndest make a solid case.

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:50:38pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

And RBG will resign/pass away and McConnell/Trump will have a fully stacked far right court for the next 4 decades.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:51:15pm

re: #39 steve_davis

I teach rooms full of kids who would be delighted if Trump was a graduation speaker. They’re not bad kids. They’re wonderful kids and I love them all, but they’ve grown up in a way that has taught them to compartmentalize all kinds of shit.

I’ve worked at a couple of schools where the students were mostly conservative, and were working their way through a curriculum that does not synch with their world view. They learn to say ‘sir’ and open doors for faculty while despising it all behind the scenes.

About ten years ago there were a few anonymous college posting boards that caused real problems on campuses, especially smaller ones where lots of people knew each other. Under that gentile demeanor on the quad were many cases of devoted racists, sexist and homophobic entitled young men and women. The anonymous boards are gone—colleges learned to block them—but the students remain the same. Still, I have always treated each and every one with respect. It’s complicated.

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makeitstop  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:51:17pm

Great.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:51:25pm

Food for thought.

Great Grandpa and Grandpa Bacon said “you always lose the battles where you don’t stand up and fight back!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:52:40pm

re: #43 Skip Intro

And RBG will resign/pass away and McConnell/Trump will have a fully stacked far right court for the next 4 decades.

Which is why the court MUST be expanded from 9 to 15 when a Democratic President and Congress come to power.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:52:45pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:54:49pm

re: #18 Mattand

Again, in my world, I know a 19 year old kid who is on track to becoming a young Republican, as well as my cousins’ Millennial kids who work union jobs and vote GOP.

I hope to God I’m the outlier here. I have a feeling I’m not.

Being far right is now seen as a sign of rebellion among the young. They’ll be the ones who vote; the young Dems? Well, from their lack of participation in previous elections I can’t say I’m optimistic that 2020 will be any different.

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:54:54pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

Holy S^*T!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:55:33pm
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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:55:59pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

GAG!!!

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:56:29pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

The purge of conscientious officials continues unabated. You’re either 100% pro Trump or you’re out of here.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:56:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:57:30pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Glad we’re being run by Trump’s favorite talking heads.//

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:58:03pm

re: #53 Skip Intro

The purge of conscientious officials continues unabated. You’re either 100% pro Trump or you’re out of here.

That’s right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:58:51pm

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Maybe Charlie Kirk can join that Army since it fits his interests more than ours.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:59:42pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

One of many reasons why I have to keep my mouth shut in public. Too many people are ready to pounce on you for not being 110% DT.

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ckkatz  Nov 24, 2019 • 1:59:57pm

Basically Spencer went behind his boss’s back to try to cut a private deal. And, apparently lied about it.

Operative paragraphs from article:

Esper asked for Spencer’s resignation after learning that he had privately proposed to White House officials that if they did not interfere with proceedings against Gallagher, then Spencer would ensure that Gallagher was able to retire as a Navy SEAL, with his Trident insignia.

Spencer’s private proposal to the White House — which he did not share with Esper over the course of several conversations about the matter — contradicted his public position on the Gallagher case, chief Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman said in a statement.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:00:21pm

re: #58 PhillyPretzel

One of many reasons why I have to keep my mouth shut in public. Too many people are ready to pounce on you for not being 110% DT.

I hear ya.

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:01:27pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My mom and I would do puzzles when I was a kid. My brother, two years younger than me, would steal a piece to keep us from finishing.

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:02:46pm

re: #25 makeitstop

Where the fuck is that tweet from yesterday? Oh, yeah, here it is.

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Whether you realize it or not, you’re resigning. Don’t.

Thank you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:04:39pm

We’re about to lose one of our top military people because Fox News told the President that war crimes were cool.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:05:26pm

re: #59 ckkatz

Basically Spencer went behind his boss’s back to try to cut a private deal. And, apparently lied about it.

Operative paragraphs from article:

cutting secret deals…what a schande

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BigPapa  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:06:05pm

Part of my motivations for being a liberdouchian early on was rebellion against my family and friends, and I stayed that way for some time out of intellectual laziness. It took Palin, climate change, and probably a little LGBT rights to slap me upside the face to force me to confront it. I also had a place I could work this through. Now when I deal with trolls or idiots online, instead of just tossing insults and telling them to F off, I ‘retaliate’ but doing a deep dive of facts and information. I may do this on Twitter, or I may do a post of FB that I title Memewatch or Conspiracy watch. From these ‘useless’ skirmishes and study up on stuff more and talk through issues, even though the twitter troll I’m dealing with has not capability or desire learn. I do it for me, and for the next person.

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:06:10pm

re: #45 makeitstop

re: #48 Stanley Sea

It gets weird:

Esper asked for Spencer’s resignation after learning that he had privately proposed to White House officials that if they did not interfere with proceedings against Gallagher, then Spencer would ensure that Gallagher was able to retire as a Navy SEAL, with his Trident insignia.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:06:23pm

re: #45 makeitstop

there’s a chain of command
always has been
it’s always worked this way
you’re not respecting it and adhering to it like everyone has always done

there’s co-equal branches of government
always has been
it’s always worked this way
you’re not respecting it and adhering to it like everyone has always done (with relatively short objections that were quickly dismissed)

‘that’s different’

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:07:23pm

Our country is falling apart.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:07:25pm

So can the Navy Secretary tell Esper to fuck off or does he basically have no choice but to step down now?

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:07:35pm

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Is there an English article on this?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:07:54pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Our country is falling apart.

And the MAGA morons are cheering it on every step of the way.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:08:32pm

re: #25 makeitstop

make em own the case
and the evidence
no matter how they vote
no matter what anyone else ‘believes’

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:08:46pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

And the MAGA morons are cheering it on every step of the way.

Yep sighZ

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:09:28pm

re: #42 BigPapa

Only 15 GOP need to flip. Schiff is doing his damndest make a solid case.

and this is now out of the bag as well

In fact, he said it’s possible reluctant witnesses could be compelled to testify at a Senate trial.

Said Schiff: “Well, I think there’s certainly merit to the idea that we may get a quicker ruling from a chief justice in a Senate trial, if it ever came to that, than we would get by going months and months on end litigating the matter.”

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:10:14pm

Not going to cry for the Trump appointed Sec. of Navy:

After leaving the Marines as a captain, he worked on Wall Street for 15 years, holding positions at Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Donaldson, Lufkin & Jenrette, A. G. Becker, Paine Webber and Merrill Lynch.

en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:10:18pm

re: #59 ckkatz

Basically Spencer went behind his boss’s back to try to cut a private deal. And, apparently lied about it.

Operative paragraphs from article:

but I thought secret deals are supposed to be how things are done these days?

I haz a confuse

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ckkatz  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:10:48pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

So can the Navy Secretary tell Esper to fuck off or does he basically have no choice but to step down now?

Unless the White House supports Spencer(SecNav) over Esper (SecDoD), yup, Spencer is gone. In that case, Esper would be gone instead.

Since it was likely the White House that sold out Spencer to Esper, that scenario would be unlikely. In a normal world.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:11:12pm

re: #75 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

Not going to cry for the Trump appointed Sec. of Navy:

en.wikipedia.org

Oh no but it’s Trump getting influenced by Fox and Friends to make policy.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:11:45pm

re: #77 ckkatz

Unless the White House supports Spencer(SecNav) over Esper (SecDoD), yup, Spencer is gone. In that case, Esper would be gone instead.

Since it was likely the White House that sold out Spencer to Esper, that scenario would be unlikely. In a normal world.

in a normal world this never would have happened

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:11:50pm

re: #75 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

Not going to cry for the Trump appointed Sec. of Navy:

en.wikipedia.org

Maybe the new Navy Secretary will be John Voight.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:11:50pm

what we are up against

What is your plan for the hundreds of millions of old, sick, and poor and illiterate illegals from all over the world that will surely flood across the border. demanding the US taxpayer free healthcare, welfare, free college, free childcare, pre-school, and citizenship that you promised them?

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ckkatz  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:12:10pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

but I thought secret deals are supposed to be how things are done these days?

I haz a confuse

Apparently the laws are only for little people. Apparently SecNav was a ‘little people’.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:12:57pm

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:13:11pm

re: #81 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

What’s our plan for the millions of old, sick, and poor and illiterate Trump supporters?

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:13:20pm

re: #75 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

Not going to cry for the Trump appointed Sec. of Navy:

en.wikipedia.org

It’s not about the secretary in the same way it wasn’t about Comey.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:13:28pm

re: #80 Skip Intro

Maybe the new Navy Secretary will be John Voight.

I’m rooting for Steven Seagal.

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:14:05pm

re: #86 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

Bannon was in the Navy, wasn’t he?

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:14:38pm

re: #80 Skip Intro

Maybe the new Navy Secretary will be John Voight.

According to the article:

Hoffman said that Esper has suggested to Trump that Kenneth Braithwaite, a retired Navy rear admiral who is currently the U.S. ambassador to Norway, be considered as the next Navy secretary.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:14:44pm

re: #81 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

what we are up against

What is your plan for the hundreds of millions of old, sick, and poor and illiterate illegals from all over the world that will surely flood across the border. demanding the US taxpayer free healthcare, welfare, free college, free childcare, pre-school, and citizenship that you promised them?

my plan is reality
no one ‘promised’ them that

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:15:13pm

re: #87 Skip Intro

Bannon was in the Navy, wasn’t he?

Jared has a yacht, he can be Sec. of the Navy

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:15:17pm

re: #84 jaunte

What’s our plan for the millions of old, sick, and poor and illiterate Trump supporters?

Well, if the GOP wins in 2020 and cuts their Social Security, SSI, Medicare and Medicaid we know what they will do…BLAME OBAMA!!!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:15:22pm

re: #84 jaunte

What’s our plan for the millions of old, sick, and poor and illiterate Trump supporters?

jobs in the offices of the international pedophile ring run by hillary in the sub basement of the pizza parlor

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:16:11pm

re: #89 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

my plan is reality
no one ‘promised’ them that

ha!

everybody knows the real world is fake news

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:16:28pm

re: #88 Belafon

According to the article:

Hoffman said that Esper has suggested to Trump that Kenneth Braithwaite, a retired Navy rear admiral who is currently the U.S. ambassador to Norway, be considered as the next Navy secretary.

it’s a secretarial position, right?
all they gotta know is a steno and some light typing // .5

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:16:59pm

re: #81 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

what we are up against

What is your plan for the hundreds of millions of old, sick, and poor and illiterate illegals from all over the world that will surely flood across the border. demanding the US taxpayer free healthcare, welfare, free college, free childcare, pre-school, and citizenship that you promised them?

I’m thinking as a Christian nation, we take care of them. And when I see them working on Thanksgiving and Christmas, as I have seen them do on houses around here, I’ll think of how little the person you’re paraphrasing actually does compared to the people who want to be here.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:17:18pm

re: #93 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

ha!

everybody knows the real world is fake news

until it smacks you in the face with no mercy or regret

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:17:36pm

re: #84 jaunte

What’s our plan for the millions of old, sick, and poor and illiterate Trump supporters?

Better yet, Phony Joni Ernst says that the churches will take care of the truly needy so let Joel 0$teen sell his $10 million dollar mansion and lead by example!

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:19:50pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:20:04pm

What a fucking shitshow

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:20:24pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

What a fucking shitshow

Every single fucking day.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:22:06pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

What a fucking shitshow

Its a great time to be alive if you have a bootlicking fetish.

//

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:22:26pm

re: #95 Belafon

I’m thinking as a Christian nation, we take care of them. And when I see them working on Thanksgiving and Christmas, as I have seen them do on houses around here, I’ll think of how little the person you’re paraphrasing actually does compared to the people who want to be here.

not paraphrasing! that’s actually what a commenter on The Hill wrote

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:23:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:28:11pm

re: #86 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

I’m rooting for Steven Seagal.

Lt. Dan

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Mattand  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:28:16pm

re: #58 PhillyPretzel

One of many reasons why I have to keep my mouth shut in public. Too many people are ready to pounce on you for not being 110% DT.

Is that your job or a NE Philly thing? Maybe I’m wrong, but I get the feeling that NE Philly has a lot of Trump love like South Philly does?

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:28:48pm

FYI I’m at the “spend an absolute fucking grip on new duds” stage of my weight loss journey.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:30:14pm

re: #105 Mattand

It is a job thing. The R’s got me the job 14 years ago. NE Philly is big on the D thing. :)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:30:29pm

re: #105 Mattand

Is that your job or a NE Philly thing? Maybe I’m wrong, but I get the feeling that NE Philly has a lot of Trump love like South Philly does?

Oh in my gym I keep my mouth shut because it’s filled with steroid junkies who worship Trump. I’m shocked by all the young guys with the MAGA caps on as they work out…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:32:41pm

moron

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Mattand  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:34:05pm

re: #95 Belafon

I’m thinking as a Christian nation, we take care of them. And when I see them working on Thanksgiving and Christmas, as I have seen them do on houses around here, I’ll think of how little the person you’re paraphrasing actually does compared to the people who want to be here.

Gonna channel my inner Anonymouse here, but we ain’t a Christian nation. We’re a secular nation with a Christian majority, governed by a secular document.

Which, given how a lot of Americans practice their version of Christianity, makes this atheist a bit nervous here.

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:37:05pm

re: #90 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

Jared has a yacht, he can be Sec. of the Navy

This isn’t encouraging.

“The president has broad military powers, experts say, and could order Air Force jets painted pink or turn almost anybody into a SEAL.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:39:06pm

re: #84 jaunte

What’s our plan for the millions of old, sick, and poor and illiterate Trump supporters?

The long-awaited FEMA camps of course. We can re-task the immigrant detention facilities the Cheeto gang has so thoughtfully provided.

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Mattand  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:39:29pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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I’m absolutely fascinated by the RaNdoM CAPITALizatiOn Cheetolini and his followers practice. I’m mean, it takes a certain amount of brain power to constantly improperly capitalize stuff. I guess it’s just a rejection of education in the long run (shout out to SatTV4U2), but to take a sentence like “The joke is on them” and turn into “The Joke is On them” has an almost grotesque beauty to it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:42:23pm
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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:42:43pm

re: #111 Skip Intro

This isn’t encouraging.

“The president has broad military powers, experts say, and could order Air Force jets painted pink or turn almost anybody into a SEAL.”

Eric has always wanted to be a 4 star general, his birthday is coming up.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:44:23pm

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:45:36pm

re: #110 Mattand

Gonna channel my inner Anonymouse here, but we ain’t a Christian nation. We’re a secular nation with a Christian majority, governed by a secular document.

Which, given how a lot of Americans practice their version of Christianity, makes this atheist a bit nervous here.

I’m an atheist, but if they are going to call us a Christian nation, then I’m going to use it against them.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:46:19pm

re: #108 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh in my gym I keep my mouth shut because it’s filled with steroid junkies who worship Trump. I’m shocked by all the young guys with the MAGA caps on as they work out…

Some lady working out behind me at my Y wanted to change the TV in front of me to FOX and I misunderstood when the trainer asked everyone if it was okay because it was already on the next one down to my right, so I thought they were asking to change it off FOX. I took out my earbuds and said “please, get rid it.”

He asked, “get rid of what?”

I said “FOX, I don’t need to see that garbage!”

She gave up.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:47:00pm

Yesterday around noon my power went out. I thought I must have overloaded the system. So I went down to the basement to check the breakers and all of them were in the right places. So I put on my jacket and grabbed my keys and checked the corner and sure enough the traffic lights were out. My whole neighborhood was without power. Most of my neighbors had already called Philadelphia Electric (PECO) and got the time of 215pm is when our power was to go back on. The power came back on at a few minutes after one. The big thing is that as neighbors (D’s and R’s) we used our resources and helped each other out.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:47:03pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:49:14pm

Leave it to the New York Times to play magical balance fairy here, although the cases are hardly on the same level.

“There is precedent for presidents intervening in military justice matters. John F. Kennedy stopped the punishment of an Army Reserve soldier who was court-martialed for bad-mouthing him.”

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BigPapa  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:49:54pm

Remember Friday night news dumps? Good times.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:49:58pm

Are you ready for infrastructure week?

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:50:27pm

re: #121 Skip Intro

Leave it to the New York Times to play magical balance fairy here, although the cases are hardly on the same level.

“There is precedent for presidents intervening in military justice matters. John F. Kennedy stopped the punishment of an Army Reserve soldier who was court-martialed for bad-mouthing him.”

Shooting children =/= bad mouthing.

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:51:26pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

Are you ready for infrastructure week?

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It ain’t over.

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:52:39pm

Related videos at balloon-juice.com

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:53:14pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

Some lady working out behind me at my Y wanted to change the TV in front of me to FOX and I misunderstood when the trainer asked everyone if it was okay because it was already on the next one down to my right, so I thought they were asking to change it off FOX. I took out my earbuds and said “please, get rid it.”

He asked, “get rid of what?”

I said “FOX, I don’t need to see that garbage!”

She gave up.

LOL, I was on the treadmill and a lady came up with the remote in her hand. She asked if she could change the channel and I said the she was more than welcome to change it to anything at all as long as it wasn’t Fox News, she hung her head down and walked away.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:55:36pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2019 • 2:57:49pm

re: #128 jaunte

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Exhibit 99 is going to be a literal kitchen sink

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:00:39pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:02:43pm

re: #113 Mattand

Grotesque being the key word there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:07:06pm
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Citizen K  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:08:56pm

re: #121 Skip Intro

Leave it to the New York Times to play magical balance fairy here, although the cases are hardly on the same level.

“There is precedent for presidents intervening in military justice matters. John F. Kennedy stopped the punishment of an Army Reserve soldier who was court-martialed for bad-mouthing him.”

I’m gonna be honest: that right there is exactly why I’m scared shitless about what will come out of 2020. It’s not that the Senate won’t convict Trump. That’s almost about a complete given at this point. It’s that the country is basically run by Fox News and the rest of the media, far from being adversarial, have decided wholesale to run interference for Trump and do everything they can to delegitimize the process from the start. Even when Dems go full bore on the offensive, the story is never about what the GOP has done, but what Dems haven’t done: convince rock solid immovable GOP votes to move, thus therefore they didn’t get “Real AMerica” to move and have proven themselves illegitimate failures.

It’s all about the immovability and impenetrability of the almighty narrative, facts and testimony be damned.

EDIT: Fixed word choice…wow. Managed to be conditioned enough to type in ‘defensive’ when I meant ‘offensive’ WRT the Dems.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:12:35pm

re: #98 The Pie Overlord!

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learned in college in the 70’s

ask one question: am i under arrest?
if they say no, ask “am i free to go?”
if they say “no”, then you’re under arrest
only word then is “lawyer”
you dont know who they are or what they want or what games they are or are going to play with you

not one more word

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BigPapa  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:12:38pm
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BeachDem  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:13:14pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ya know who is talking about this, a lot?

Kamala.

That’s why I bit the bullet when I saw her field organizer last week and agreed to do her (the field organizer’s) data entry or whatever she needs me to help with. I remember when I had my Hillary field rep living with me—she’d get home at 11 pm, after having been out all day, and still had to do her data entry—I would do it for her while she took a breath, and she was THRILLED to have the help. (I also fed her, helped her put signs together, organize her days, gave her contacts—anything that didn’t involve door knocking. I hate door knocking! Did it in NC for Obama, but it was painful.)

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unproven innocence  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:13:47pm

First election in Hong Kong since June is very significant, in part, as a sort of referendum on authoritarianism (ie, mainland China) vs the democracy movement. Polls close in a few hours.

Hong Kong municipal elections: What’s at stake? | DW News

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:15:12pm

re: #128 jaunte

there’s tapes

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makeitstop  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:17:32pm

re: #138 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

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there’s tapes

Lordy

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:18:24pm

re: #136 BeachDem

That’s why I bit the bullet when I saw her field organizer last week and agreed to do her (the field organizer’s) data entry or whatever she needs me to help with. I remember when I had my Hillary field rep living with me—she’d get home at 11 pm, after having been out all day, and still had to do her data entry—I would do it for her while she took a breath, and she was THRILLED to have the help. (I also fed her, helped her put signs together, organize her days, gave her contacts—anything that didn’t involve door knocking. I hate door knocking! Did it in NC for Obama, but it was painful.)

Good on you!!

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:20:02pm

I think the reason the wingnuts have been quieter about AOC lately is that she has never failed to eat their lunch:

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BigPapa  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:22:41pm

re: #141 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

I give AOC credit, she’s touring the facility and picking up slack.

And she will dish it out.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:24:02pm

re: #142 BigPapa

I give AOC credit, she’s touring the facility and picking up slack.

And she will dish it out.

I do like a girl with a short skirt and a long……

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Mattand  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:25:04pm

re: #119 PhillyPretzel

Yesterday around noon my power went out. I thought I must have overloaded the system. So I went down to the basement to check the breakers and all of them were in the right places. So I put on my jacket and grabbed my keys and checked the corner and sure enough the traffic lights were out. My whole neighborhood was without power. Most of my neighbors had already called Philadelphia Electric (PECO) and got the time of 215pm is when our power was to go back on. The power came back on at a few minutes after one. The big thing is that as neighbors (D’s and R’s) we used our resources and helped each other out.

I’m working with a guy right now who is an unapologetic MAGAt. Reads Ann Coulter and Instapundit on his downtime, has a meme posted on his wall that Donald Trump is an unsung hero of 9/11 because Teh Mediaz conspired against him.

He’s a great guy. Been very supportive and professional to work with. Great sense of humor. But, in the back of my mind, he’s a guy who saw everything that went down last week and thinks “Well, there isn’t video of Donald Trump monologuing his evil plot like a third rate cartoon supervillian, so therefor everything is not true.”

He’s a guy utterly at peace with the fact Trump set up child concentration camps to blackmail Democrats into going along with draconian immigration laws.

If that makes a judgmental, horrible person, so be it. But when push comes to shove, for this guy, there is no bridge too far for Trump to cross. That’s a problem.

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Skip Intro  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:27:17pm

That didn’t take long.

Navy Secretary Richard Spencer fired in dispute over discipline of SEAL

nbcnews.com

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:29:17pm

re: #145 Skip Intro

That didn’t take long.

Navy Secretary Richard Spencer fired in dispute over discipline of SEAL

Link

Find out what he knows about anything. He might just be pissed off to discuss it.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:29:20pm
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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:29:54pm

re: #147 Colère Tueur de Lapin

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GAG!

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:30:30pm

LOL, I am sure Frank will do the honorable thing…

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unproven innocence  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:31:09pm

re: #145 Skip Intro

Link needs a fix.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:32:15pm

re: #2 terraincognita

I finished A Warning by Anonymous and can ardently recommend reading it. Be prepared to be challenged near the end and what needs to be done in order for this democratic republic to survive.

The text can be juxtaposed with other literary works into a dismal projection of what may come of us…

“President Trump is fundamentally undermining our perceptions of “truth.” He has taken us down a dark, subjectivist rabbit hole. To him, there is no real truth. If people believe something is true, that make it true. A scientist will tell you a tree is a tree. It cannot be both a tree and a sheep at the same time. Not for the president. A tree is only a tree to him if we all agree it is. If he can convince us it’s sheep, then it is a sheep.” (A Warning, Anonymous)
——————————————————-
“You are a slow learner, Winston,’ said O’Brien gently.’How can I help it?’ he blubbered. ‘How can I help seeingwhat is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.’Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once.You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.” (1984, George Orwell)

Think of this when Trump speaks at his next fetid campaign rally or Two Minute Hate, if you prefer.

A friend who read the book was very enthusiastic at the beginning but by the end he texted me that he ultimately found it very disappointing and not worth the read. Some of the reviewers at major publications were harshly critical, partly because, in order to protect their identity, the author bleached details from their narration. Other than commenting on its existence, the author failed to provide any insight in Trump’s devotion to Putin.

I wonder if one reason for the hostile reception is that other books (some may not be so reliable) provide more details on Trump’s actions; for example, I am enjoying Michael Wolff, even though his accuracy may be suspect, but then, as Bill Maher might say, “I don’t know it for a fact, I just know it’s true!”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:33:53pm
Spencer submitted his resignation later on Sunday, and said in a lengthy letter that he and President Trump disagreed on the nature of the rule of law.

“I cannon in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag, and my faith,” he said, while not specifying the order from Trump to which he referred.

Donnie doesn’t believe in the rule of law.

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BeachDem  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:36:54pm

re: #140 retired cynic

Good on you!!

I consider myself an OK Boomer (heh).

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:37:06pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:37:40pm

re: #144 Mattand

I’m working with a guy right now who is an unapologetic MAGAt. Reads Ann Coulter and Instapundit on his downtime, has a meme posted on his wall that Donald Trump is an unsung hero of 9/11 because Teh Mediaz conspired against him.

He’s a great guy. Been very supportive and professional to work with. Great sense of humor. But, in the back of my mind, he’s a guy who saw everything that went down last week and thinks “Well, there isn’t video of Donald Trump monologuing his evil plot like a third rate cartoon supervillian, so therefor everything is not true.”

He’s a guy utterly at peace with the fact Trump set up child concentration camps to blackmail Democrats into going along with draconian immigration laws.

If that makes a judgmental, horrible person, so be it. But when push comes to shove, for this guy, there is no bridge too far for Trump to cross. That’s a problem.

the fact that someone is ‘good’ in certain settings or aspects of their lives, unfortunately is not an indicator of anything and is meaningless

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BigPapa  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:40:13pm

re: #143 i(m)p(each)sos

Thought I’d toss out an easter egg and see if we had some Cake fans here.

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BeachDem  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:40:47pm

re: #144 Mattand

I’m working with a guy right now who is an unapologetic MAGAt. Reads Ann Coulter and Instapundit on his downtime, has a meme posted on his wall that Donald Trump is an unsung hero of 9/11 because Teh Mediaz conspired against him.

He’s a great guy. Been very supportive and professional to work with. Great sense of humor. But, in the back of my mind, he’s a guy who saw everything that went down last week and thinks “Well, there isn’t video of Donald Trump monologuing his evil plot like a third rate cartoon supervillian, so therefor everything is not true.”

He’s a guy utterly at peace with the fact Trump set up child concentration camps to blackmail Democrats into going along with draconian immigration laws.

If that makes a judgmental, horrible person, so be it. But when push comes to shove, for this guy, there is no bridge too far for Trump to cross. That’s a problem.

I guess I’m harsher, more judgmental and horrible than you, because I would be hard pressed to describe him as a “great guy.” YMMV

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:41:16pm

re: #121 Skip Intro

Leave it to the New York Times to play magical balance fairy here, although the cases are hardly on the same level.

“There is precedent for presidents intervening in military justice matters. John F. Kennedy stopped the punishment of an Army Reserve soldier who was court-martialed for bad-mouthing him.”

Exactly the opposite of what Trump would have done: he would have demanded the soldier be sentenced to a long prison term for any criticism. For all his flaws, JFK was a man of principle and character who believed in our nation and worked to improve its policies toward all citizens.

Let’s hope that our democracy survives its latest experiment with fascism and white supremacy.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:47:43pm

re: #156 BigPapa

Thought I’d toss out an easter egg and see if we had some Cake fans here.

Guilty.

For several values of “Cake.”

(my doc wishes I’d cut back on the small-c version but has no opinion about the band, best as I can tell.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:48:00pm

re: #157 BeachDem

I guess I’m harsher, more judgmental and horrible than you, because I would be hard pressed to describe him as a “great guy.” YMMV

It’s also someone who, when push comes to shove, will not back you up.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:53:21pm

re: #144 Mattand

I’m working with a guy right now who is an unapologetic MAGAt. Reads Ann Coulter and Instapundit on his downtime, has a meme posted on his wall that Donald Trump is an unsung hero of 9/11 because Teh Mediaz conspired against him.

He’s a great guy. Been very supportive and professional to work with. Great sense of humor. But, in the back of my mind, he’s a guy who saw everything that went down last week and thinks “Well, there isn’t video of Donald Trump monologuing his evil plot like a third rate cartoon supervillian, so therefor everything is not true.”

He’s a guy utterly at peace with the fact Trump set up child concentration camps to blackmail Democrats into going along with draconian immigration laws.

If that makes a judgmental, horrible person, so be it. But when push comes to shove, for this guy, there is no bridge too far for Trump to cross. That’s a problem.

I generally avoid politics with family and friends who are Trumpsters, except when my sister instigates discussions during our weekly conversations with our brother — but even then I eventually deflect to a different topic. OTOH, I do consider each of these people, including your friend, as someone who would have wholeheartedly supported Hitler, at least until he was losing the war. They don’t think of themselves that way — but they definitely are cult members who support evil and who are eagerly participating in the destruction of everything good about this nation. It is astounding how these people all seem to be blind to Trump’s devotion to Putin, although as the Moscow 8 have demonstrated, they may share this devotion.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:54:04pm

Who the hell knows what really happened? The POTUS is nuts.

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Citizen K  Nov 24, 2019 • 3:55:45pm

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

I generally avoid politics with family and friends who are Trumpsters, except when my sister instigates discussions during our weekly conversations with our brother — but even then I eventually deflect to a different topic. OTOH, I do consider each of these people, including your friend, as someone who would have wholeheartedly supported Hitler, at least until he was losing the war. They don’t think of themselves that way — but they definitely are cult members who support evil and who are eagerly participating in the destruction of everything good about this nation. It is astounding how these people all seem to be blind to Trump’s devotion to Putin, although as the Moscow 8 have demonstrated, they may share this devotion.

For many, it all just simply comes down to Cleek’s Law:

“Today’s Conservatism is the opposite of what liberals want today, updated daily.”

It’s nothing but pure contrarianism and bad faith, encouraged by media credulity so that they forever are gifted the upper hand.

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mmmirele  Nov 24, 2019 • 4:00:14pm

I went out and protested at Apologia. It was pretty chill, except for the following:

* One guy saying (except for two points) that God tells us to do all the things that are in the “Behavior Control” portion of Steven Hassan’s BITE Model. (Top left in picture below.) You know, I’d questioned whether I should tape those signs on my car, but WOW that was an amazing reaction. The two points he didn’t agree with were the “deprive sleep” and “exploit you financially.” But the rest of it, “God has told people to do them.”

* This guy also said that we shouldn’t believe people who aren’t saved (like Steven Hassan, I presume).

* A woman gave me her anti-abortion testimony, about how she “killed her baby” and now she goes out to the Tempe Planned Parenthood and harasses women. I asked her why she shouldn’t be executed. Well, because Jesus has forgiven her, that’s why. This church still believes women should be executed for getting abortions, but they have the “Get Out Of The Death Penalty Free With Jesus” card, which I find reprehensible. If you really believe this stuff, you should be willing to deal with the consequences of your belief.

Frankly, I would have rather have spent the time watching Godzilla stomping on Tokyo, but my knee is MUCH BETTER and I was able to stand without pain the whole 45 minutes.

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BeachDem  Nov 24, 2019 • 4:37:54pm

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

I generally avoid politics with family and friends who are Trumpsters, except when my sister instigates discussions during our weekly conversations with our brother — but even then I eventually deflect to a different topic. OTOH, I do consider each of these people, including your friend, as someone who would have wholeheartedly supported Hitler, at least until he was losing the war. They don’t think of themselves that way — but they definitely are cult members who support evil and who are eagerly participating in the destruction of everything good about this nation. It is astounding how these people all seem to be blind to Trump’s devotion to Putin, although as the Moscow 8 have demonstrated, they may share this devotion.

The only family member loons I have are brother and sister-in-law. She’s totally nuts and if politics come up, I step outside with my nephew (her son, who thinks she’s a whack job and a pathological liar.) With my brother, who I refer to as a “reluctant Republican” who mostly fears being killed in his sleep by SIL, if he starts, I shake his hand, thank him for his service, and laugh.

I’ll get to see them all this week for Thanksgiving. They (bro and SIL) usually keep their mouths shut because they are VASTLY outnumbered, as in it’s however many other people are there, usually 15-20, on one side of the divide, and the two of them on the other.


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