In Which We Get Graphic Proof That Donald Trump Hates and Fears Dogs

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You may have noticed our so-called president has a certain way he talks about dogs — they’re always used as synonyms for terrible things. He calls women who criticize him “dogs,” he frequently says people were “fired like dogs” or “died like dogs,” etc. He doesn’t own a dog and we’ve never heard Trump say a single positive word about them.

So today, he held a photo op at the White House featuring Conan (who is a girl), the dog who reportedly chased down the leader of ISIS. And he went through the whole event without once touching Conan, as he and Melania stayed as far away from her as possible.

In fact, he was so afraid of Conan he says he wanted to put a muzzle on her. Somebody talked him out of that idiocy, which is too bad because it would have been more revealing that it already is.

Yeah, this is small stuff compared to all the other awful things Trump does, but there’s something extremely telling about his aversion to very good boys and very good girls like Conan.

UPDATE at 11/25/19 10:48:37 am by Charles Johnson

And… he also threatened reporters, just to make this event even more grotesque.

UPDATE at 11/25/19 5:46:55 pm by Charles Johnson

Because the Trump gang can’t do anything without it turning weird, they released a statement saying that Conan is not a good girl, she’s a good boy. Uh, I don’t know. What do you think? We report. You deicide.

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338 comments
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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:41:33am

He hates dogs. That should have been a telling clue to the electorate.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:42:52am

Kind of reminds me of the movies where dogs always bark at the bad guys.

Even canines know Trump is a dangerous idiot and want nothing to do with him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:43:45am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Kind of reminds me of the movies where dogs always bark at the bad guys.

Even canines know Trump is a dangerous idiot and want nothing to do with him.

Mr. Burns.

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:44:25am

That’s bad, Charles, but what he said before that is even worse:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:45:53am

He doesn’t understand dogs. He understands dogs less than people.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:47:20am

These people are fucking insane and fucking cultists:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:49:01am

Ah, my home state continues its trend of creating governors who spend time in prison.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:50:15am
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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:50:45am

re: #6 Dr. Matt

This people are fucking insane and fucking cultists:

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Hey Rick, this country staged a revolution against (among many things) the idea that the guy on the throne had been put there by “God” and not the will of the governed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:51:05am

re: #6 Dr. Matt

This people are fucking insane and fucking cultists:

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Perry ran against Obama in 2012. By his own admission he violated God’s ordinance. Jokes aside, the cult like worship of Trump is getting more creepy by the day. This isn’t some Trump loving minister. This is the Secretary of the Energy declaring our President is divinely ordained. Never saw Obama’s people talk about him this way. Hell some of them even disagreed with him.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:54:19am

this is freaking AWESOME.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:54:51am
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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:56:15am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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Personally, I’d just like them to explain how humanity recovered post-Flood when its gene pool was reduced to fewer people than the Donner Party, yet successfully avoided inbreeding itself into total oblivion within a few generations.

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:56:34am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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Nah, it just means the check cleared.

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mmmirele  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:58:03am

I was about to get QL’ed on the story of Matt Bevin pardoning the rapist.

rawstory.com

This reminds me of Huckabee, who pardoned Wayne DuMond, a serial rapist.

en.wikipedia.org

It appears the pardon may have occurred because the victim was a third cousin of Bill Clinton.

Then there was Huckabee’s pardon of Maurice Clemmons, who went on to murder four police officers in Parkland, Washington.

en.wikipedia.org

Matt Bevin is the same kind of shitheel as Mike Huckabee. I’m pretty sure this piece of garbage is going to surface again as a criminal.

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lawhawk  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:58:52am

re: #13 Targetpractice

Parable about a localized flood. Similar floods occurred elsewhere in history and have similar survival stories.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 10:58:56am

from downstairs:

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lizardofid  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:00:48am

re: #14 Targetpractice

Nah, it just means the check cleared.

Just another “deal”.

texastribune.org

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:00:50am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I’m pretty sure that’s the Durupınar site in eastern Turkey: it was investigated in 1960 and it was concluded that it’s not a man-made structure.

FFS, the idea that the Durupınar site is “Noah’s Ark” has been debunked for longer than I’ve been alive.

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mmmirele  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:01:36am

re: #11 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

this is freaking AWESOME.

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I almost didn’t watch this because those lash curlers give me the creeps. I played with mom’s when I was a kid and I think I caught some eyelid in the eyelash. But I’m glad I overcame my aversion to watch this! Smart woman.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:02:22am

re: #16 lawhawk

Parable about a localized flood. Similar floods occurred elsewhere in history and have similar survival stories.

IIRC, the Noah’s Ark story didn’t emerge until the Babylonian Exile period.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:03:39am

re: #20 mmmirele

I almost didn’t watch this because those lash curlers give me the creeps. I played with mom’s when I was a kid and I think I caught some eyelid in the eyelash. But I’m glad I overcame my aversion to watch this! Smart woman.

Ouch! That sounds painful.

Such a smart gal. That’s how you get to people you might not have access to. Brilliant!

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:04:29am

re: #16 lawhawk

Parable about a localized flood. Similar floods occurred elsewhere in history and have similar survival stories.

Right, but we’re talking about people who genuinely believe that all of humanity aside from a couple families were wiped off the planet of the Earth, rather than viewing this as simply one of a number of religious parables from across the globe.

And even if you’re smart enough to believe that these stories are all related to the same flood and thus multiple pockets of humanity survived, it’s not as though we’re talking about humanity circa 2019. We’re talking communities whose numbers would barely inconvenience a local IHOP separated by hundreds or thousands of miles in an era where the horse-drawn carriage was cutting-edge.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:04:33am

re: #21 Dr Lizardo

IIRC, the Noah’s Ark story didn’t emerge until the Babylonian Exile period.

And I thought Noah’s Ark was in Kentucky? Dirk Pitt found it and they had it floated & relocated..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:06:34am

re: #24 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

Upding for Dirk Pitt reference.

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DesertDenizen  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:06:38am

re: #24 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

Upding for Clive Cussler/Dirk Pitt reference!

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:07:12am

re: #24 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

And I thought Noah’s Ark was in Kentucky? Dirk Pitt found it and they had it floated & relocated..

Yeah, they parked it right next to the Titanic.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:07:44am

re: #24 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

And I thought Noah’s Ark was in Kentucky? Dirk Pitt found it and they had it floated & relocated..

Upding for the Raise the Titanic reference.

Pretty sure that turkey damn near bankrupted ITC Entertainment.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:09:01am

re: #28 Dr Lizardo

Upding for the Raise the Titanic reference.

Pretty sure that turkey damn near bankrupted ITC Entertainment.

You are correct. The main guy behind it never worked in Hollywood again. Cussler also hated it and would not allow his stories to be made in to movies for another 25 years until 2005 when we got Sahara with Matthew Mconaghey. Cussler hated that movie too.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:10:24am

re: #11 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

this is freaking AWESOME.

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My grandmother had one of those things. It scared me. Instead I glopped on mascara.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:12:01am

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

I’m pretty sure that’s the Durupınar site in eastern Turkey: it was investigated in 1960 and it was concluded that it’s not a man-made structure.

FFS, the idea that the Durupınar site is “Noah’s Ark” has been debunked for longer than I’ve been alive.

and it keeps getting “discovered” every dozen years or so

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BeachDem  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:12:12am

I ask again—Why is he the only one wearing a topcoat? (not sure what Melon’s bathrobe is all about) It’s 57 degrees in DC right now.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:12:13am

re: #30 The Pie Overlord!

My grandmother had one of those things. It scared me. Instead I glopped on mascara.

Hm I watched that without the sound on. Yeah what she’s talking about will curl your eyelashes AND YOUR TOENAILS.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:15:37am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

and it keeps getting “discovered” every dozen years or so

Yeah, as I recall it was first “rediscovered” back in 1977 - I dimly remember it making a bit of a splash in the news back in the day, but it faded pretty quickly.

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:16:07am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

You are correct. The main guy behind it never worked in Hollywood again. Cussler also hated it and would not allow his stories to be made in to movies for another 25 years until 2005 when we got Sahara with Matthew Mconaghey. Cussler hated that movie too.

Cussler’s in fine company with the long list of authors who’ve agreed to let their books get turned into films, only to be disgusted by the whole process that they swore off allowing Hollywood near their other books for ages.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:16:14am

re: #32 BeachDem

I ask again—Why is he the only one wearing a topcoat? (not sure what Melon’s bathrobe is all about) It’s 57 degrees in DC right now.

To cover the machine that’s keeping his ass alive right now?

/ only a tiny bit

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lawhawk  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:16:51am

re: #32 BeachDem

I don’t see a problem with this. Maybe he’s cold blooded. Maybe it’s for security purposes (USSS don’t like their prinicipals walking around lightly clothed because it means they can’t be wrapped in kevlar and bullet resistant gear).

The bigger issue is the lack of direct interaction with the dog. Not so much as petting the dog. They were deathly afraid of the dog (Trump and Melania).

Is it possible that the handler said not to pet the dog? Sure, that’s possible - just as working dogs have rules for handling, that may be case here too.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:16:58am

re: #36 makeitstop

And Melania’s wearing a long coat to give him camouflage.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:17:41am

re: #37 lawhawk

I don’t see a problem with this. Maybe he’s cold blooded. Maybe it’s for security purposes (USSS don’t like their prinicipals walking around lightly clothed because it means they can’t be wrapped in kevlar and bullet resistant gear).

The bigger issue is the lack of direct interaction with the dog. Not so much as petting the dog. They were deathly afraid of the dog (Trump and Melania).

Is it possible that the handler said not to pet the dog? Sure, that’s possible - just as working dogs have rules for handling, that may be case here too.

Pence pets the dog.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:19:16am

She was probably there to bite the dog if it misbehaved.

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BeachDem  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:21:48am

re: #39 The Pie Overlord!

Pence pets the dog.

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And I like how he said IT gets EVEN MORE VIOLENT when muzzled. (Nice doggie—now stay at least 5 feet away from me)

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:23:06am

3 And Rudy, dialer of backsides, lawyer of Donald, did not call upon the department of State, but went out of the city for forty days and forty nights to slayeth the demon Nepotism in the Kingdom of Ukraine. And he did many wonderful and non-embarrassing things for the King Donald. And there was no quid pro quo.

4 And the three amigos knew of the man Rudy and of his quest and they knew that Donald had called upon the Kingdom of Ukraine to cast out the demon of Nepotism and its brother Corruption. And when they knew this and how much they knew dependeth upon whom you ask.

5 And the demon Pelosi cast darkness upon King Donald and opened articles of impeachment even though there was no quid pro quo. And the man Sondland took an oath and said many things to the people. And Joaquin the bearded, brother of Julián the shaven, was there. And Jim, son of Jordan, was angry and rent his garments and, lo, the base was made to gnash its teeth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:23:29am

re: #28 Dr Lizardo

Upding for the Raise the Titanic reference.

Pretty sure that turkey damn near bankrupted ITC Entertainment.

Martin Landau said that they were going to do a third season of Space: 1999 but Lew Grade pulled the plug to make that asinine film!

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:24:42am

re: #37 lawhawk

I don’t see a problem with this. Maybe he’s cold blooded. Maybe it’s for security purposes (USSS don’t like their prinicipals walking around lightly clothed because it means they can’t be wrapped in kevlar and bullet resistant gear).

The bigger issue is the lack of direct interaction with the dog. Not so much as petting the dog. They were deathly afraid of the dog (Trump and Melania).

Is it possible that the handler said not to pet the dog? Sure, that’s possible - just as working dogs have rules for handling, that may be case here too.

I love animals, but I have many disabled friends with service animals, and the inviolate rule is “No Interaction!” As a result, I seldom get to interact with animals, and I don’t react outwardly to them.

That said, I don’t see Trump as a pet lover or owner.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:27:29am

Reading the comments for the Judge Wine Box pic, and…ouch.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:27:33am

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

Martin Landau said that they were going to do a third season of Space: 1999 but Lew Grade pulled the plug to make that asinine film!

Season 2 of Space 1999 kinda sucked anyway, tho. Season 1 had some really freaky and interesting stories (and a couple that were utterly nightmarish)

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:28:12am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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The correct answer is that Rick Perry is a 100% Fucking Nut Case.

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lawhawk  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:28:54am

re: #44 Sherlock Hound

I love animals, but I have many disabled friends with service animals, and the inviolate rule is “No Interaction!” As a result, I seldom get to interact with animals, and I don’t react outwardly to them.

That said, I don’t see Trump as a pet lover or owner.

He isn’t a pet lover. He’s adverse to any interactions and it shows.

Service dogs have strict rules, same as dogs you’d see law enforcement use - you can pet if you get permission, but most of the time they don’t want the dogs getting petted because they need them to stay focused on the job at hand.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:30:03am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:31:36am

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

Martin Landau said that they were going to do a third season of Space: 1999 but Lew Grade pulled the plug to make that asinine film!

About the only halfway decent thing about Raise the Titanic was the practical FX, which weren’t too bad for their time. Of course, this was before the wreck of the Titanic was found and it was discovered that the she’d broken up on the surface before her final plunge. It was assumed that she went down intact (IIRC, only one eyewitness to the sinking, Jack Thayer, correctly noted that Titanic broke up as she went down).

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:31:45am
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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:32:13am

Good thread:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:32:50am

re: #30 The Pie Overlord!

My grandmother had one of those things. It scared me. Instead I glopped on mascara.

I used to use one…if you do it multiple times you can get an amazing curl. The only problem I had is that the damn lashes tickled my eyelids.

I wasn’t into the video because it was on curling lashes, it was the message she delivered while doing that. It gets to the Kim Kardashian crowd who may not pay attention to what’s going on in the world otherwise. It was really brilliant messaging.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:34:55am

re: #32 BeachDem

I ask again—Why is he the only one wearing a topcoat? (not sure what Melon’s bathrobe is all about) It’s 57 degrees in DC right now.

As someone on Twitter said, why is Melanoma wearing the curtains a la Carol Burnett’s Gone With The Wind.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:35:40am

Donald Trump is like the guys Jesus chased out of the temple with a whip.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:36:07am

re: #54 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

As someone on Twitter said, why is Melanoma wearing the curtains a la Carol Burnett’s Gone With The Wind.

Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn. Do u?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:36:47am

re: #6 Dr. Matt

“You know, Barack Obama doesn’t get to be the President of the United Sates without being ordained by God. Neither did Donald Trump,” Energy Secretary Rick Perry said.

I again thank God for giving our Founding Fathers the Divine Wisdom to separate Church and State so as to keep this sort of half-baked crackerjack theosophy from ever becoming government policy…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:38:29am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

It’s absolutely grotesque that this story is being treated like “news” by many outlets.

they know it will capture the attention of their viewers, improve their ratings and increase the amount that they can charge for selling advertising time

and that is their job and reason for existence.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:39:59am

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

I’m pretty sure that’s the Durupınar site in eastern Turkey: it was investigated in 1960 and it was concluded that it’s not a man-made structure.

FFS, the idea that the Durupınar site is “Noah’s Ark” has been debunked for longer than I’ve been alive.

Yes, it’s a long-running crank story that the dumbass media recycles every few years whenever a religious fanatic claims they found “new evidence.”

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danarchy  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:40:16am

re: #15 mmmirele

I was about to get QL’ed on the story of Matt Bevin pardoning the rapist.

rawstory.com

This reminds me of Huckabee, who pardoned Wayne DuMond, a serial rapist.

en.wikipedia.org

It appears the pardon may have occurred because the victim was a third cousin of Bill Clinton.

Then there was Huckabee’s pardon of Maurice Clemmons, who went on to murder four police officers in Parkland, Washington.

en.wikipedia.org

Matt Bevin is the same kind of shitheel as Mike Huckabee. I’m pretty sure this piece of garbage is going to surface again as a criminal.

I think this is a little different. It seems that the girl who is now an adult has recanted her testimony claiming she was coached by her father, step mother and a counselor, and the judge in the original case has come forward and said he thinks he is innocent. I think there should probably be a retrial, but it doesn’t seem like an egregious abuse of the pardon system.

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Jay C  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:40:32am

re: #13 Targetpractice

Personally, I’d just like them to explain how humanity recovered post-Flood when its gene pool was reduced to fewer people than the Donner Party, yet successfully avoided inbreeding itself into total oblivion within a few generations.

It was a miracle.
Shut up.

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:42:59am

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

About the only halfway decent thing about Raise the Titanic was the practical FX, which weren’t too bad for their time. Of course, this was before the wreck of the Titanic was found and it was discovered that the she’d broken up on the surface before her final plunge. It was assumed that she went down intact (IIRC, only one eyewitness to the sinking, Jack Thayer, correctly noted that Titanic broke up as she went down).

The list of legends and half-truths that were dispelled by the discovery of the wreck is likely longer than the height of the ship herself. The whole idea that she went down in one piece was not only due to the conditions of the night making visual observation difficult to impossible, but it was also part of the sensationalism about just how strong her hull really was. It’s the same reason that they thought for decades after she sank that it would have taken an enormous gash in her side to overwhelm the watertight doors, only to discover after she was found that no such gash was present and all they could find was dozens of bent plates and popped rivets.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:43:59am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:47:35am

re: #63 The Pie Overlord!

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FNC would have celebrated the SS if they were in Germany.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:48:05am

Matt Bevin releasing pedophiles from prison to own the Libs. Congrats, this is Donnie’s America.

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lawhawk  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:49:03am

re: #63 The Pie Overlord!

Did you expect any different from a serial adulterer and philanderer who was busy impeaching Clinton for lying about his own affair and who spent years investigating Clinton’s real estate dealings to find that he lied and obstructed justice on questions about his affair.

The same charges that Graham said would be impeachable and should remove Clinton from office to cleanse the office.

Today, of course, Newt and Graham defend Trump’s actions and ignore felony conduct - bribery, extortion, witness tampering, obstruction, wire fraud, tax fraud, mail fraud, unindicted coconspirator on same, etc.

No other president has been a named unindicted coconspirator before in federal filings - as Trump was in the Cohen case.

That should have been enough to impeach. It’s still impeachable conduct. He committed conspiracy and wire/mail fraud and likely tax fraud too.

Trump admitted to running a scam charity in NY and paid $2 million fine.

That’s not chump change. This is all impeachable conduct, but Newt and Graham both ignore it all, or excuse it away, or deflect/project like IMAX on to the Bidens - and Fox, the right wing echo chamber, and even mainstream media outlets buy this baffling bulkshit wholesale.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:49:40am

As I recall, the general academic consensus is that the Noah’s Ark story is based around some actual severe flooding that took place in the Middle East in Biblical times but what the facts surrounding what really happened are largely unknown, though it’s probably not very likely one guy managed to build an ark and get two of every animal on it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:50:21am

re: #63 The Pie Overlord!

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Another day, another act that would have wingnuts frothing if a Dem were in the White House.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:51:42am

15 FLOOD MYTHS SIMILAR TO THE STORY OF NOAH

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:55:24am

re: #69 Dr. Matt

15 FLOOD MYTHS SIMILAR TO THE STORY OF NOAH

don’t forget the Ridley Scott interpretation

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:57:29am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:57:54am

OMG

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:58:33am

re: #72 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

OMG

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 11:59:21am

re: #72 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

OMG

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Not far from my old stomping grounds. Although to be fair, it’s just patients from ONE dental office and the risk of infection is purportedly low.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:00:39pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

As I recall, the general academic consensus is that the Noah’s Ark story is based around some actual severe flooding that took place in the Middle East in Biblical times but what the facts surrounding what really happened are largely unknown, though it’s probably not very likely one guy managed to build an ark and get two of every animal on it.

During the great Ice Age Meltdown 10,000 years ago, when glaciers were pulling back rapidly from the Middle East area, there were “ice dams” that would periodically give way and release trillions of gallons of retained water flooding vast areas. Folk tales passed down from generation to generation revolving around these natural disasters are probably a significant aspect of mythological stories like Noah’s Ark and the like.

Also, found bones from mammoths and dinosaurs are likely to explain mythology surrounding ancient monsters. If you arrange a mammoth skeleton with no idea what it is firsthand you can construct a cyclops out of it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:00:40pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Not far from my old stomping grounds. Although to be fair, it’s just patients from ONE dental office and the risk of infection is purportedly low.

Not how I would feel if I was one of them…but I get your point.

My MIL got a fungal infection from a place that did her nails. They didn’t autoclave their equipment. Blech. Gross.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:02:17pm

re: #76 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Not how I would feel if I was one of them…but I get your point.

My MIL got a fungal infection from a place that did her nails. They didn’t autoclave their equipment. Blech. Gross.

Ugh. Yes, I know what you mean. One fucked up dental clinic is one too many, but could have been a lot worse.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:02:57pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:04:11pm

That’s ridiculous…I haven’t spoken with a demon ever since that last one reneged on giving me the winning lotto numbers because I talked down the payment from “immortal soul” to “grilled cheese sandwich.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:07:25pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:09:30pm

Looks like I am alone here. I love Melanoma’s coat. I would buy it (likely couldn’t afford it…probably a five digit fashion statement).

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Stanley Sea  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:11:57pm

re: #45 makeitstop

Reading the comments for the Judge Wine Box pic, and…ouch.

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Her freaking head is as big as her torso.

WEIRD

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:15:15pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea

Her freaking head is as big as her torso.

WEIRD

That’s something that afflicts most skinny tv personalities. Most women are not meant to be stick thin. And you can really tell those who are not because that’s what their heads look like. They look like PEZ dispensers.

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BeachDem  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:16:39pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea

Her freaking head is as big as her torso.

WEIRD

It looks even weirder because her mouth is closed for a change.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:19:03pm

Jesus, talk about a live one. Sure, let’s discuss economics and global power on twitter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:24:13pm

re: #85 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

97% of media coverage of Trump is negative

you’ve simply fallen for the anti-Trump propaganda .. sad you don’t think more critically

anything that is not uncritical, glowing praise is considered “anti-Trump”…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:25:07pm

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

anything that is not uncritical, glowing praise is considered “anti-Trump”…

AKA 97% of what trump does is shit for the country, illegal, immoral or something along those lines.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:25:58pm

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

97% of media coverage of Trump is negative

I fail to see the problem here.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:27:33pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:29:32pm

re: #89 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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But…but…BUT BIDEN!!!

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:33:11pm

This may well be the moment that destroys the ability of the government to regulate food, medicine and safety and the environment. This is a holy grail moment for GOP billionaires.

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:33:28pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

So I guess in Rick’s alleged mind, God anoints cancer.

Maybe he’s one of those “this illness is a test from God” type Christians that believe their god is so petty he must test you with terrible conditions in order to prove you’re worthy of grace he otherwise gives to everyone… or something.

Or he’s one of those “this illness is a punishment from God” types that believes in a god so petty he punishes people with terrible conditions because reasons…

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:33:58pm

re: #88 makeitstop

I fail to see the problem here.

Still 3%-5% too low.

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steve_davis  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:34:49pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Parable about a localized flood. Similar floods occurred elsewhere in history and have similar survival stories.

Interesting idea that it may be an ancestral memory of the time when the Black sea was formed, after the bosphorus plug broke in circa 10,000 BC. Could also be an ancestral memory of the time when Doggerland was submerged, though it’s hard to imagine that would have made its way to the middle east in legend. Atlantis, possibly.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:35:10pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:35:12pm
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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:37:14pm

re: #69 Dr. Matt

15 FLOOD MYTHS SIMILAR TO THE STORY OF NOAH

It’s been a long time since I’ve paid much attention to myths and legends from around the world, but I’ve always been struck by how there are almost always similarities that transcend cultures.

I suspect most of the flood myths probably line up with the end of major ice ages, like the one that created the Bering land bridge.

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:37:21pm

re: #96 Dread Pirate

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How’s about selling out US foreign policy to secure a loan for an otherwise doomed real estate deal? Or selling US citizenship for “investments”?

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:38:54pm

This is where it goes. No more EPA etc, since all regulation would have to revert back to congress. Same with public safety and possibly child labor stuff as well. Trump has been installing truly radical judges who have been open about getting rid of the last 120 years of federal precedent. They are now on the verge of getting it.

But her emails.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:41:07pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

“I’m so old I remember when Rick Perry called Trump “cancer.” Now he says Trump is “anointed by God.”“

Who says Republicans don’t believe in Evolution?
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steve_davis  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:42:43pm

re: #37 lawhawk

I don’t see a problem with this. Maybe he’s cold blooded. Maybe it’s for security purposes (USSS don’t like their prinicipals walking around lightly clothed because it means they can’t be wrapped in kevlar and bullet resistant gear).

The bigger issue is the lack of direct interaction with the dog. Not so much as petting the dog. They were deathly afraid of the dog (Trump and Melania).

Is it possible that the handler said not to pet the dog? Sure, that’s possible - just as working dogs have rules for handling, that may be case here too.

more likely the handler gave strict instructions to the dog not to interact with the people: “Look, I know you voted for Clinton, but don’t make this about you….”

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:42:48pm

re: #95 Scottish Dragon

This is an interesting concept, but like abortion and the right to privacy, I’m not sure this is one of those things where the dog really wants to catch the tire. If they were to strike down the Administrative Procedures Act as unconstitutional, it would absolutely devastate the contours of modern government. It would, among other things, drastically increase the case load of the courts (something that I suspect the justices really don’t want); it would weaken the presidency (all administrative agencies are part of the executive branch); and it would make legislating nearly impossible.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:45:46pm

re: #102 KGxvi

This is an interesting concept, but like abortion and the right to privacy, I’m not sure this is one of those things where the dog really wants to catch the tire. If they were to strike down the Administrative Procedures Act as unconstitutional, it would absolutely devastate the contours of modern government. It would, among other things, drastically increase the case load of the courts (something that I suspect the justices really don’t want); it would weaken the presidency (all administrative agencies are part of the executive branch); and it would make legislating nearly impossible.

This is the problem with stupid, simpleminded people. They don’t think beyond the immediate. Right now, Republicans are shovelling all kinds of privileges to the next Democratic President just to protect Trump TODAY.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:46:41pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

This is the problem with stupid, simpleminded people. They don’t think beyond the immediate. Right now, Republicans are shovelling all kinds of privileges to the next Democratic President just to protect Trump TODAY.

All the shit they are pulling will come back and bite them in the ass when Elizabeth is President!

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:49:16pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:49:44pm

re: #104 Joe Bacon 🌹

All the shit they are pulling will come back and bite them in the ass when Elizabeth is President!

Exactly. Bill Barr should read Shaub’s thread (see below), then reread his “L’Etat C’est Trump” speech of last week, but recast the President as Elizabeth Warren.

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EPR-radar  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:49:46pm

re: #102 KGxvi

This is an interesting concept, but like abortion and the right to privacy, I’m not sure this is one of those things where the dog really wants to catch the tire. If they were to strike down the Administrative Procedures Act as unconstitutional, it would absolutely devastate the contours of modern government. It would, among other things, drastically increase the case load of the courts (something that I suspect the justices really don’t want); it would weaken the presidency (all administrative agencies are part of the executive branch); and it would make legislating nearly impossible.

The sociopath billionaires in the GOP donor class would appear to have no problem with any of this.

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:50:16pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

This is the problem with stupid, simpleminded people. They don’t think beyond the immediate. Right now, Republicans are shovelling all kinds of privileges to the next Democratic President just to protect Trump TODAY.

Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot of things I don’t like about the administrative system we have. But simply scrapping it complete is stupid.

I’d prefer the administrative law judges be considered Article III judges and that the courts be moved to the judiciary proper. And I think we need more separation between those who create rules and regulations and those who enforce them.

But at the end of the day, the system works well enough most of the time.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:50:23pm

re: #102 KGxvi

This is an interesting concept, but like abortion and the right to privacy, I’m not sure this is one of those things where the dog really wants to catch the tire. If they were to strike down the Administrative Procedures Act as unconstitutional, it would absolutely devastate the contours of modern government. It would, among other things, drastically increase the case load of the courts (something that I suspect the justices really don’t want); it would weaken the presidency (all administrative agencies are part of the executive branch); and it would make legislating nearly impossible.

Koch and Adelson may well want this though. Bannon absolutely does.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:51:50pm

re: #85 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:53:32pm

re: #110 Belafon

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He does negative things. He gets negative coverage. It’s not rocket science. And it’s definitely not 97% since FNC worships him.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:57:13pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2019 • 12:59:47pm

Bloomberg & 65 million other people.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:00:35pm

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

Bloomberg & 65 million other people.

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I said that too. Give us a reason to vote for YOU.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:03:48pm

re: #91 Scottish Dragon

I went to go find out more about the Lochner era, and found this quote in the introductory section on wikipedia:

“You go to a case like the Lochner case, you can read that opinion today and it’s quite clear that they’re not interpreting the law, they’re making the law” - John Roberts.

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lawhawk  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:05:32pm

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

Bloomberg was a competent manager of NYC. He inherited a city reeling from 9/11 and it continued to rebound after that. Crime continued the long drop (and dropped even further after he left office and DeBlasio ended stop and frisk as official policy). Education remained a problem (DeBlasio got universal pre-k in first year of his term). Infrastructure was overlooked.

Housing was overlooked.

We saw more income disparity, but Bloomberg paved way to build out Hudson Yards where billionaire developers can build more office space, and the High Line was done on his watch too.

He didn’t do nearly enough on transit and street usage that favors pedestrians over drivers.

So he’s a manager who is competent.

That’s not enough. Not nearly enough.

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lawhawk  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:09:43pm

re: #115 Belafon

The Roberts Court will be responsible for remaking the law - judicial activism from the far right, which intends to completely undo the administrative state.

Screw the FDA, EPA, Energy Dept., all of it.

And the IRS. Especially the IRS.

These fuckers want to unravel the ability of agencies to promulgate regulations, because Congress delegates the details to the agency experts, instead of trying to do that themselves. It’s done that way for a reason - because not enough folks in Congress are truly an expert in the kinds of matters that bubble up to Congress.

You’d never get a tax bill done because so much of it is left to the IRS to promulgate regulations to implement and administer the tax law that Congress couldn’t be bothered to figure out how to work. Rinse and repeat for all the other agencies.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:10:49pm

re: #115 Belafon

I went to go find out more about the Lochner era, and found this quote in the introductory section on wikipedia:

Also the same guy who engineered the overturn of decades of precedent with Citizen’s United and then eviscerated the voting rights act with the Shelby decision.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:11:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:12:40pm

We’re gonna get Biden as the Dem nominee, aren’t we.

Can you tell how excited I am about that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:13:14pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

We’re gonna get Biden as the Dem nominee, aren’t we.

Can you tell how excited I am about that.

We could do so much better.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:15:17pm

re: #117 lawhawk

The Roberts Court will be responsible for remaking the law - judicial activism from the far right, which intends to completely undo the administrative state.

Screw the FDA, EPA, Energy Dept., all of it.

And the IRS. Especially the IRS.

These fuckers want to unravel the ability of agencies to promulgate regulations, because Congress delegates the details to the agency experts, instead of trying to do that themselves. It’s done that way for a reason - because not enough folks in Congress are truly an expert in the kinds of matters that bubble up to Congress.

You’d never get a tax bill done because so much of it is left to the IRS to promulgate regulations to implement and administer the tax law that Congress couldn’t be bothered to figure out how to work. Rinse and repeat for all the other agencies.

This times a MILLION.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:15:38pm

re: #117 lawhawk

The Roberts Court will be responsible for remaking the law - judicial activism from the far right, which intends to completely undo the administrative state.

Screw the FDA, EPA, Energy Dept., all of it.

And the IRS. Especially the IRS.

These fuckers want to unravel the ability of agencies to promulgate regulations, because Congress delegates the details to the agency experts, instead of trying to do that themselves. It’s done that way for a reason - because not enough folks in Congress are truly an expert in the kinds of matters that bubble up to Congress.

You’d never get a tax bill done because so much of it is left to the IRS to promulgate regulations to implement and administer the tax law that Congress couldn’t be bothered to figure out how to work. Rinse and repeat for all the other agencies.

I read what Kavanaugh wrote. You could kiss all of them goodbye: The FAA, FDA, FCC, EPA and on and on and on. According to Goresuch and Kavanaugh, those agencies would be limited to “filling in minor details” and congress would be responsible for making all regulations...meaning lobbyists would be responsible for writing them all.

Any liberal leaning state will be sharply brought to heal (as happened with California when Scalia wrote the opinion that California could not get rid of mandatory arbitration clauses)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:16:20pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

We’re gonna get Biden as the Dem nominee, aren’t we.

Can you tell how excited I am about that.

I have my doubts about whether Biden could beat Trump.

He’d have to make a killer VP choice, that’s for sure.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:18:17pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

I have been amazed at the vitriol being directed at Senator Harris. I am going to vote for her, but the organized hate campaign from the left has left me aghast.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:20:50pm

re: #125 Scottish Dragon

I have been amazed at the vitriol being directed at Senator Harris. I am going to vote for her, but the organized hate campaign from the left has left me aghast.

People of color just don’t get a level playing field in America. Even Obama never had that luxury.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:23:11pm

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

People of color just don’t get a level playing field in America. Even Obama never had that luxury.

Kamala seems to be attracting a lot of negative attention. Which is a shame, as I find her highly qualified.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:26:06pm

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

People of color just don’t get a level playing field in America. Even Obama never had that luxury.

Being a woman, first generation American as well.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:26:54pm

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Kamala seems to be attracting a lot of negative attention. Which is a shame, as I find her highly qualified.

It is. I’d rather her than Biden, Bernie, Pete, or Warren.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:27:02pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Being a woman, first generation American as well.

and she’s a cop, you know…

O_o

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:27:26pm

re: #125 Scottish Dragon

I have been amazed at the vitriol being directed at Senator Harris. I am going to vote for her, but the organized hate campaign from the left has left me aghast.

It’s coming from the Berniebots and Tulsitwits.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:27:43pm

…the hell?

Okay, so…good luck? I guess

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:28:40pm

re: #132 makeitstop

he’s destined to fuck it up, no matter how it’s set up

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:29:33pm

re: #131 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s coming from the Berniebots and Tulsitwits.

An awful lot of the Berniebots and Tulsists exist only to help Trump get reelected.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:29:39pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s destined to fuck it up, no matter how it’s set up

Yeah. A guy can dream, though. ;)

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:30:12pm

re: #132 makeitstop

…the hell?

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Okay, so…good luck? I guess

As a bonus maybe he could waterboard Hannity beforehand.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:31:20pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

and she’s a cop, you know…

O_o

It’s such crap.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:34:21pm

re: #132 makeitstop

…the hell?

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Okay, so…good luck? I guess

I’m sure there will be a last minute “postponement” or “medical issue” or “emergency” that prevents him from going through with it.

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uriel  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:41:02pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:42:51pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

I have my doubts about whether Biden could beat Trump.

He’d have to make a killer VP choice, that’s for sure.

I have to disagree. I think Biden works be a shoe in. He won’t get any MAGA votes but he’ll get the rest.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:43:27pm

re: #125 Scottish Dragon

I have been amazed at the vitriol being directed at Senator Harris. I am going to vote for her, but the organized hate campaign from the left has left me aghast.

Driven by Russia for morons (on both the left and right).

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:45:11pm

re: #132 makeitstop

…the hell?

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Okay, so…good luck? I guess

Break a leg, dude. I mean neck. Good on ya. And best of luck on a very successful test!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:45:12pm

re: #141 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Driven by Russia for morons (on both the left and right).

Oh no doubt but I’m sure a bit of it is good old-fashioned racism.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:47:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:51:18pm

re: #144 jaunte

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Exactly and this is what the media repeatedly gets wrong.

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:51:53pm

re: #140 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I have to disagree. I think Biden works be a shoe in. He won’t get any MAGA votes but he’ll get the rest.

One of the underrated things about 2016 is that Trump only got 46% of the vote. That means that 54% of voters went with someone else. I doubt that the Greens or Libertarians are going to be running anyone credible this time, so I suspect that it’s much more likely that the Democratic nominee ends up with a clear majority of voters. Whether or not that’s enough to tip the electoral college is another story, but I suspect it will be.

And if someone actually wins a majority of the popular vote and still loses the electoral college, that might be what triggers a real movement to do away with it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:52:55pm

re: #143 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh no doubt but I’m sure a bit of it is good old-fashioned racism.

Absolutely. That goes without saying.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:53:59pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Exactly and this is what the media repeatedly gets wrong.

Don’t think they don’t get it. I think they do.

Which is the overarching problem.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:54:06pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:54:58pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:57:41pm

re: #146 KGxvi

One of the underrated things about 2016 is that Trump only got 46% of the vote. That means that 54% of voters went with someone else. I doubt that the Greens or Libertarians are going to be running anyone credible this time, so I suspect that it’s much more likely that the Democratic nominee ends up with a clear majority of voters. Whether or not that’s enough to tip the electoral college is another story, but I suspect it will be.

And if someone actually wins a majority of the popular vote and still loses the electoral college, that might be what triggers a real movement to do away with it.

That’s why, with exceptional sadness, I say we need a white dude running as POTUS. Not someone who will be labeled as far left (Bernie is dead in the wild west) so it’s got to be Biden or maybe Buttiguig (who’s name I’ll learn to spell one day). Biden is a known.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:57:46pm

re: #148 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Don’t think they don’t get it. I think they do.

Which is the overarching problem.

Oh I know. I wasn’t saying it was a matter of knowledge. The problem is we’re told that we have to respect the opinions of people who want to treat immigrants inhumanely.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 1:58:55pm

re: #150 Dread Pirate

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:00:21pm

re: #149 jaunte

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Dread Pirate  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:01:23pm
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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:06:40pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

We could do so much better.

And worse.

As I pointed out earlier, Biden is getting the lions share of the conservative AA vote. And the other non-AA candidates have not done a very good job of breaking through that, in part because most blacks are more conservative than the party as a whole.

I don’t want Biden, but it could be far worse.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:06:50pm

This is kind of odd.

I wonder who this guy stole from?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:07:53pm

re: #132 makeitstop

…the hell?

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Okay, so…good luck? I guess

Not really sure what to feel about that….

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:08:18pm

re: #157 makeitstop

This is kind of odd.

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I wonder who this guy stole from?

Some one or some company in NYC … which is practically every big record company and numerous artists.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:08:45pm

re: #157 makeitstop

This is kind of odd.

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I wonder who this guy stole from?

From those accounts, ERAZO and his co-conspirators stole over approximately 50 gigabytes of music, including music that had not yet been publicly released from over 20 recording artists, as well as usernames and passwords to other online accounts, among other things. ERAZO and his co-conspirators also leaked on public online forums music that had not yet been publicly released.

Damnnnn

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:09:16pm

re: #125 Scottish Dragon

I have been amazed at the vitriol being directed at Senator Harris. I am going to vote for her, but the organized hate campaign from the left has left me aghast.

Harris gets almost none of the AA support, and my only guess is that they don’t feel she could keep the white vote.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:10:43pm

re: #146 KGxvi

One of the underrated things about 2016 is that Trump only got 46% of the vote. That means that 54% of voters went with someone else. I doubt that the Greens or Libertarians are going to be running anyone credible this time, so I suspect that it’s much more likely that the Democratic nominee ends up with a clear majority of voters. Whether or not that’s enough to tip the electoral college is another story, but I suspect it will be.

And if someone actually wins a majority of the popular vote and still loses the electoral college, that might be what triggers a real movement to do away with it.

When it happens to a Republican.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:12:51pm

re: #162 Belafon

ONLY When it happens to a Republican.

FIFY

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:14:05pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:14:26pm

Gonna be a long time until a Republican wins the popular vote, I think.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:15:10pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“The majority of his supporters are probably people who are angry and disgusted at a system that has left them behind.”

that would be those economically anxious white people, bernie…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:16:13pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

No Bernie, the majority of his supporters are brain dead racist morons who are eternally pissed that America ever moved past the 1950s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:19:39pm

re: #167 Eclectic Cyborg

hey you!
I just got an email from TaxHawk letting me know that the new software is available and that reminded me to thank you once again for telling me about them.

Soooo much better than TaxAct or Turbotax. Great customer support and great price.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:21:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:26:09pm
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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:26:37pm
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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:26:50pm

re: #156 Belafon

And worse.

As I pointed out earlier, Biden is getting the lions share of the conservative AA vote. And the other non-AA candidates have not done a very good job of breaking through that, in part because most blacks are more conservative than the party as a whole.

I don’t want Biden, but it could be far worse.

I think Biden might experience the reverse of what Obama did in 2008. Then, Obama gained a lot of support from black voters when they saw that white people would vote for him. It’s entirely possible that Biden might lose black voter support if he underperforms in Iowa and/or New Hampshire (hell, it’s entirely possible he’ll lose support across the board in that scenario).

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:32:38pm
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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:33:44pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:37:54pm

re: #174 makeitstop

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Is Pecker getting a head of the problem or is this a flaccid response to his troubles?

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:38:32pm

re: #175 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Is Pecker getting a head of the problem or is this a flaccid response to his troubles?

Let’s hope for a happy ending, with a stiff sentence.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:38:46pm

Welp, there goes dinner…

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:40:21pm

re: #172 KGxvi

I think Biden might experience the reverse of what Obama did in 2008. Then, Obama gained a lot of support from black voters when they saw that white people would vote for him. It’s entirely possible that Biden might lose black voter support if he underperforms in Iowa and/or New Hampshire (hell, it’s entirely possible he’ll lose support across the board in that scenario).

He could experience what Hillary experienced for sure. And Iowa will possibly tell that. But Obama gained blacks because Iowa proved whites would vote for him. I think if Biden lost Nevada that would be where his foundation could truly come apart.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:41:35pm

re: #177 makeitstop

Welp, there goes dinner…

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I hope Graham responds to that. Please let it happen.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:41:41pm

re: #167 Eclectic Cyborg

No Bernie, the majority of his supporters are brain dead racist morons who are eternally pissed that other parts of America ever moved past the 1950s.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:46:44pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:47:02pm

re: #180 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Speaking of which…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:47:16pm

re: #180 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

It’s so infuriating to him give credence to this bs. They weren’t left behind. They didn’t want to listen to Obama or Clinton because they didn’t want to think that a black guy or woman could be President so they embraced a reactionary minded racist pos who had no business running for President.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:47:40pm

re: #181 Belafon

(Actually it says ‘faction’.)

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:48:42pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

(Actually it says ‘faction’.)

I said darn it, but now I have decided it will stay. A faction is just a fraction.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:49:45pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

Speaking of which…

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It’s easy to reduce these places to places that got left behind because it’s easier than admitting the truth which is that reactionaries thrive in people who refuse to embrace any change in society and a lot of small town, rural, & yes white America is like that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:50:21pm

re: #185 Belafon

I said darn it, but now I have decided it will stay. A faction is just a fraction.

Unless it’s a fiction.
//

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BeachDem  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:51:14pm

re: #178 Belafon

He could experience what Hillary experienced for sure. And Iowa will possibly tell that. But Obama gained blacks because Iowa proved whites would vote for him. I think if Biden lost Nevada that would be where his foundation could truly come apart.

And in 2008, by the time the South Carolina primary rolled around, Obama carried all but two counties (one went to Edwards; mine to Hillary) and got 55.4% of the vote.

In November 2007, he was at 27%, December—33%, January—41% and final three polls, 48%.

People just had to be convinced he could win.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:52:56pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

Speaking of which…

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Yep
I have never been ‘rural’
Thats the story I had in mind

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:54:10pm

re: #187 Blind Frog Belly White

Unless it’s a fiction.
//

Now your just causing friction

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:56:19pm
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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:59:02pm

re: #191 jaunte

For those interested, here’s the opinion.

Reading/skimming it now, will provide thoughts shortly.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 2:59:21pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

It’s so infuriating to him give credence to this bs. They weren’t left behind. They didn’t want to listen to Obama or Clinton because they didn’t want to think that a black guy or woman could be President so they embraced a reactionary minded racist pos who had no business running for President.

I disagree. Many small towns were left behind. They vote for Republicans who will fuck them as soon as glance at them, yet they are fully on board with everything Republican.

They won’t do anything to improve their own options (education/reeducation is easy, moving is not) and they need someone to blame.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:01:48pm

re: #192 KGxvi

For those interested, here’s the opinion.

Reading/skimming it now, will provide thoughts shortly.

All eyes turn to Bolton

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:02:54pm

I have to say that I am fascinated by this idea that blacks only voted for Obama because he proved he was able to get the white vote in Iowa.

What other kind of vote IS THERE IN IOWA?

For the record, my family is a jumble of everything from white to black to brown and lots of things in between.

I’ve asked my black family members about this need for a white vote support for a candidate before they would consider voting for said candidate….

They are still laughing at me.

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:04:17pm

So, I’m only a few pages in, but it’s generally not a good thing for one side when a judges starts off with something along the lines of “these two entities were before the court just 15 years ago arguing the same thing… nothing’s changed” and then goes on to cite the Federalist Papers as why you are wrong.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:04:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:05:49pm

re: #196 KGxvi

Turns out the Trump gang’s “absolute immunity” case was just as ludicrous as it looked at first glance.

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Jay C  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:06:04pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

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Sounds like good news, to be sure: but remind me again: what was McGahn subpoenaed to testify about?

Turns out the Trump gang’s “absolute immunity” case was just as ludicrous as it looked at first glance.

Haven’t virtually all of them been (ludicrous)?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:08:20pm

re: #199 Jay C

Sounds like good news, to be sure: but remind me again: what was McGahn subpoenaed to testify about?

Just, you know, the stuff. The shit he knows, and shit. 🙂

But seriously I dunno off-hand, I’d have to check.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:10:02pm

“…This result is unavoidable as a matter of basic constitutional law, as the Miers court recognized more than a decade ago. Today, this Court adds that this conclusion is inescapable precisely because compulsory appearance by dint of a subpoena is a legal construct, not a political one, and per the Constitution, no one is above the law. That is to say, however busy or essential a presidential aide might be, and whatever their proximity to sensitive domestic and national-security projects, the President does not have the power to excuse him or her from taking an action that the law requires. Fifty years of say so within the Executive branch does not change that fundamental truth. Nor is the power of the Executive unfairly or improperly diminished when the Judiciary mandates adherence to the law and thus refuses to recognize a veto-like discretionary power of the President to cancel his subordinates’ legal obligations. To the contrary, when a duly authorized committee of Congress issues a valid subpoena to a current or former Executive branch official, and thereafter, a federal court determines that the subpoenaed official does, as a matter of law, have a duty to respond notwithstanding any contrary order of the President, the venerated constitutional principles that animate the structure of our government and undergird our most vital democratic institutions are preserved.”

Ketanji Brown Jackson,
United States District Judge

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:11:09pm

re: #193 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I disagree. Many small towns were left behind. They vote for Republicans who will fuck them as soon as glance at them, yet they are fully on board with everything Republican.

They won’t do anything to improve their own options (education/reeducation is easy, moving is not) and they need someone to blame.

Moving isn’t easy, but moving isn’t impossible either. All my siblings moved, some thousands of miles, for our careers.

This isn’t new, either. America was built by people who moved, not people who stayed.

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Jay C  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:12:54pm

SO where does Trump’s appeal go from here? Can’t imagine that Donald “Lawyer-them-into-submission” Trump is just going to accept this ruling and let McGahn run off to Congress. SCOTUS??

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:13:02pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Just, you know, the stuff. The shit he knows, and shit. 🙂

But seriously I dunno off-hand, I’d have to check.

It was over his extensive involvement in the Mueller report, interviews and documents.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:14:14pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Just, you know, the stuff. The shit he knows, and shit. 🙂

But seriously I dunno off-hand, I’d have to check.

Subpoena dates to April, so I’m thinking Mueller Report-related Obstruction of Justice stuff.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:14:56pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

It was over his extensive involvement in the Mueller report, interviews and documents.

That was where the WH argued Executive Privilege over all the stuff McGahn had already told Mueller.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:15:23pm

re: #201 jaunte

the President does not have the power to excuse him or her from taking an action that the law requires. Fifty years of say so within the Executive branch does not change that fundamental truth

That is what all these doj opinions and trump pronouncements are:
Just “because I say so”

They are not law

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:15:36pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

That was where the WH argued Executive Privilege over all the stuff McGahn had already told Mueller.

Or, you know, lied to Mueller about.

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:15:37pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

Turns out the Trump gang’s “absolute immunity” case was just as ludicrous as it looked at first glance.

The Court points out that we basically went through this during the Bush Administration when the judiciary committee subpoenaed Harriet Miers (blast from the past!) and they tried to argument absolute immunity then.

But this decision doesn’t go to whether the witness can exert executive privilege in refusing to answer.

Still, it’s about 116 pages of the court telling the DOJ “wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, you are wrong, so so wrong, just wrong.”

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:19:04pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

Subpoena dates to April, so I’m thinking Mueller Report-related Obstruction of Justice stuff.

Exactly, McGahn said Trump was ordering him to do “crazy shit.” He refused. Mueller’s decision not to charge was based entirely on the OLC opinion instead of whether Trump had in fact committed criminal acts by ordering overtly criminal acts. Barr’s entire strategy was to bury the evidence while Republicans pretend that the attempt itself magically wasn’t chargeable because Trump’s underlings flatly refused to follow his illegal orders.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:20:24pm

Evening Lizardim.

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BeachDem  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:20:29pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have to say that I am fascinated by this idea that blacks only voted for Obama because he proved he was able to get the white vote in Iowa.

What other kind of vote IS THERE IN IOWA?

For the record, my family is a jumble of everything from white to black to brown and lots of things in between.

I’ve asked my black family members about this need for a white vote support for a candidate before they would consider voting for said candidate….

They are still laughing at me.

And I contend that they were being pragmatic, and just needed to know he could win—whatever color voted for him. SC in 2008—he carried all but two counties in SC; 2016, Hillary carried every county.

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:20:32pm

re: #203 Jay C

SO where does Trump’s appeal go from here? Can’t imagine that Donald “Lawyer-them-into-submission” Trump is just going to accept this ruling and let McGahn run off to Congress. SCOTUS??

It would first go to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeal. Then possibly to the Supremes. Based on this decision though, the odds of winning at the Fourth Circuit are not good. Nor do I suspect them to be good at SCOTUS.

This judge knew the potential of appeal and made sure to cite a lot of case law, including concurring opinions from Clarence Thomas to justify this decision.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:22:02pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, mainly on the fact that between October 2007 and January, 2008, polling among blacks shifted from being heavily in favor of Clinton to Obama, right after the Iowa caucus:

The stories I could find through October showed Clinton with a serious lead among blacks that they didn’t feel Obama could overcome.

Anecdote != data.

Edit. the Iowa caucus occurred on January 3rd.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:24:03pm

re: #210 goddamnedfrank

Exactly, McGahn said Trump was ordering him to do “crazy shit.” He refused. Mueller’s decision not to charge was based entirely on the OLC opinion instead of whether Trump had in fact committed criminal acts by ordering overtly criminal acts. Barr’s entire strategy was to bury the evidence while Republicans pretend that the attempt itself magically wasn’t chargeable because Trump’s underlings flatly refused to follow his illegal orders.

And isn’t THAT just fucking spectacular? A FB friend said at the time, “Sure, Trump ordered obstruction of justice, but his staff didn’t follow through, so can we just move on?”

I confess, that left me momentarily speechless.

That was followed by loud, incoherent sputtering, things like, “BUT…. WHAT THE….. ARE YOU…. GAHHHHHH!!!!!!”

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:24:10pm

re: #190 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Now your just causing friction

So a faction is a fraction of a fiction causing friction?

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BeachDem  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:24:21pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

Moving isn’t easy, but moving isn’t impossible either. All my siblings moved, some thousands of miles, for our careers.

This isn’t new, either. America was built by people who moved, not people who stayed.

Also, most of those towns were left behind about 30 years ago (See “Allentown” and “My Home Town” etc.) so we should be almost a generation past it.

I moved in my 50s and actually began a second, totally different, career—not from a small town, but from a losing situation. You do what you have to do.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:24:39pm

re: #203 Jay C

SO where does Trump’s appeal go from here? Can’t imagine that Donald “Lawyer-them-into-submission” Trump is just going to accept this ruling and let McGahn run off to Congress. SCOTUS??

Technically the decision isn’t Trump’s, he can’t force McGahn to do jack shit. If McGahn wants to testify he can, same with Bolton. They’re going along with this farce voluntarily and that can change anytime they want.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:25:15pm

re: #216 William Lewis

So a faction is a fraction of a fiction causing friction?

That’s its function.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:29:22pm

re: #217 BeachDem

Also, most of those towns were left behind about 30 years ago (See “Allentown” and “My Home Town” etc.) so we should be almost a generation past it.

I moved in my 50s and actually began a second, totally different, career—not from a small town, but from a losing situation. You do what you have to do.

The population of Detroit, for example, has a little over 1/3 the population it had at its peak in 1950. It may be the worst of the Rust Belt city population declines, but it’s by no means unique.

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BeachDem  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:29:59pm

re: #209 KGxvi

The Court points out that we basically went through this during the Bush Administration when the judiciary committee subpoenaed Harriet Miers (blast from the past!) and they tried to argument absolute immunity then.

But this decision doesn’t go to whether the witness can exert executive privilege in refusing to answer.

Still, it’s about 116 pages of the court telling the DOJ “wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, you are wrong, so so wrong, just wrong.”

And managed to work “trump card” into the ruling.

As a matter of pure logic, it would seem that if one’s access to the Oval Office is the reason that a categorical exemption from compelled congressional process is warranted, then that trump card should, at most, be a raincheck, and not the lifetime pass that DOJ proposes.

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:30:31pm

Right on cue…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:33:37pm

re: #222 makeitstop

Right on cue…

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Okay, again - this is truly nuts because the Congress would be asking McGahn about testimony he ALREADY FUCKING GAVE to Mueller et al., in which privilege was therefore waived!!!

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Jay C  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:36:40pm

re: #222 makeitstop

Right on cue…

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Yeah: can’t be a surprise that Trump would have his lawyers (aka DoJ) appeal this and try to run the clock out ALAP. Ideally, til February, 2021….

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:36:56pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:37:04pm

“You wouldn’t know her. She goes to a different school/lives upstate/is from Canada.”

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:37:14pm
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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:39:44pm

re: #226 Blind Frog Belly White

I went to the wrong schools, apparently.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:40:04pm

re: #226 Blind Frog Belly White

“You wouldn’t know her. She goes to a different school/lives upstate/is from Canada.”

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Let’s assume its true for a moment. Then there are a group of men who shouldn’t be allowed to have sharp or explody objects because they can’t make choices for themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:42:55pm

re: #227 gocart mozart

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Let’s see. His party/ideology has the Prrsidency, the Senate, SCOTUS but yes you’re so much like a Pole in 1939. Conservatives and their perpetual victimhood is exhausting. They should just leave here if they hate pluralistic democracy so much.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:44:09pm

re: #227 gocart mozart

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So, Americans refusing to be ruled by Dreher’s narrow preferences is like Nazi Germany taking over Poland?

How does this even make sense?

“What thing that I don’t like but that has literally zero effect on me will someone whom I don’t know, somewhere where I don’t live, do, that I might some day hear about?”

Jesus, how fucking fragile do you have to be to write that shit?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:44:15pm

re: #225 gocart mozart

I know it’s not your creation, but “criminally insane racist traffic cone” is beautiful.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:45:46pm

Dinner.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:46:06pm

re: #229 Belafon

Let’s assume its true for a moment. Then there are a group of men who shouldn’t be allowed to have sharp or explody objects because they can’t make choices for themselves.

A woman at a frat party once looked at me like a dog looks at a raw steak and put her hands in my back pockets, all without a word.

I married her.

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:47:51pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have to say that I am fascinated by this idea that blacks only voted for Obama because he proved he was able to get the white vote in Iowa.

What other kind of vote IS THERE IN IOWA?

For the record, my family is a jumble of everything from white to black to brown and lots of things in between.

I’ve asked my black family members about this need for a white vote support for a candidate before they would consider voting for said candidate….

They are still laughing at me.

It was the not unreasonable belief that “white people weren’t going to vote for Obama, he doesn’t have a chance. Sure they might say they will to pollsters but in the end they wil pull the lever for Clinton. Clinton will win, why waste your vote on a pipe dream.” When Obama actually won lilly white Iowa, they came to the realization that “Holy shit, the black guy might actually win.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:47:58pm

re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White

So, Americans refusing to be ruled by Dreher’s narrow preferences is like Nazi Germany taking over Poland?

How does this even make sense?

“What thing that I don’t like but that has literally zero effect on me will someone whom I don’t know, somewhere where I don’t live, do, that I might some day hear about?”

Jesus, how fucking fragile do you have to be to write that shit?

Seriously no one is forcing him to perform abortions or attend same sex marriages or to like non conservative Christians. He just can’t accept that they have the same rights as him and that hurts his fragile ego.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:48:02pm

re: #233 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dinner.

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“No, I said ‘What’s for dinner, Joe Bacon’, not ‘What’s for dinner, Joe? Bacon?’”

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:50:54pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Seriously no one is forcing him to perform abortions or attend same sex marriages or to like non conservative Christians. He just can’t accept that they have the same rights as him and that hurts his fragile ego.

It’s the fragility of fundamentalism. If you allow someone to live differently than you, others may want to do the same thing, you (or your children!) might even want to do that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:52:02pm

Taking a break from all things rancidly political in ‘merica, I’m watching a BBC thing about Boudicca and, in a piece called Boudica’s Revolt, (yeah, her name is spelled both ways) I have to take issue with the last battle where she and the Iceni are defeated as portrayed by the BBC.

BBC admits they really don’t know the exact location of that battle but insist it took place with the Romans taking up defile position with an ancient dense woods/forest at its back and rear, and that was the brilliant strategy of Paulinus.

I call bullshit.

Boudicca and her people knew the landscape and would have easily used a strategy that infiltrated the forests (no matter how dense) and put that to great use.

OK…that’s my editorial opinion in historical hot takes for the evening.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:53:55pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

Taking a break from all things rancidly political in ‘merica, I’m watching a BBC thing about Boudicca and, in a piece called Boudica’s Revolt, (yeah, her name is spelled both ways)

You mean Boadicea?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:55:09pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

Worth noting, though, that they LOST, so perhaps they didn’t follow the wisest tactics?

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Teukka  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:58:47pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

You mean Boadicea?

Song related?

Boadicea (2009 Remaster)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:59:05pm

re: #238 KGxvi

It’s the fragility of fundamentalism. If you allow someone to live differently than you, others may want to do the same thing, you (or your children!) might even want to do that.

It’s no wonder why Rod has actually apologized for Franco. He really has no business likening himself to the victims of Nazism.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:59:11pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

Worth noting, though, that they LOST, so perhaps they didn’t follow the wisest tactics?

My understanding was that discipline was lost by the Iceni warriors and as a result the Roman forces overwhelmed them.

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 3:59:27pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking of the BBC, it doesn’t look like we are getting a Doctor Who Christmas Special, but may get another New Year’s Special. Also, I don’t like this whole taking off an entire year thing they seem to be doing.

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:00:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:00:20pm

re: #212 BeachDem

re: #214 Belafon

I guess I’m not used to seeing racial/gender/whatever voting groups as monoliths.

Doing that actually makes my skin itch.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:03:22pm

They’re not just going to appeal it, they’re going to lie about it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:03:53pm

re: #226 Blind Frog Belly White

“You wouldn’t know her. She goes to a different school/lives upstate/is from Canada.”

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“You may say I’m a dreamer…but I’m not the only one…”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:04:40pm

re: #242 Teukka

Song related?

[Embedded content]

Boadicea = Boudica = Boudicca, apparently.

Apparently, in classic Latin, there’s no soft ‘c’, so it would be “Bo-a-di-kee-a”, not “Bo-a-di-see-a”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:06:00pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

You mean Boadicea?

so many spellings, so little time…

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:06:32pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:06:38pm

re: #244 William Lewis

My understanding was that discipline was lost by the Iceni warriors and as a result the Roman forces overwhelmed them.

Something to be said for acting as a unit, rather than a bunch of individual fighters.

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:07:36pm
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Jay C  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:07:36pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Seriously no one is forcing him to perform abortions or attend same sex marriages or to like non conservative Christians. He just can’t accept that they have the same rights as him and that hurts his fragile ego.

Yeah, but it’s Rod Dreher: after religious-persecution fantasies (to hear him tell it, being a religious conservative in 21st-Century America is only a small degree away from being on the wrong side of a purge during the Thirty Years’ War), it’s the sex stuff that gets his Outrage Generator really humming. Especially the gay sex stuff*. And especially especially any trans/drag/gay sex stuff. Though I’m sure that the “forcing” bit he objects to is the very existence of the above. Or at least their open mention in “decent” society.

* Yes, I know “gay”, “trans” and “drag” don’t always correlate exactly to “slavering perverted copulation in public, usually in bathrooms” - but from reading Dreher’s whines at TAC, it’s obviously foremost on his mind….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:07:44pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

Worth noting, though, that they LOST, so perhaps they didn’t follow the wisest tactics?

just says nobody knows where that last battle took place and what actually happened.

Also, Paulinus apparently claimed there were 230,000 barbarians against his 10 times smaller force.

It’s all just insane.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:09:50pm

So — had lunch with a Trumpster friend. I did mostly avoid politics but then made some reference to items of humor, like the Devin Nunes cow, which he was unfamiliar with. His reaction is that people should be able to sue for libel and it’s wrong to say things that might be untrue and people often cannot get their work done because of the lies told about them (wonder who that could be///). I did not pursue this line because it would lead to an unpleasant argument.

We then got into a discussion of “OK. Boomer.” His reaction was that Boomers stood for traditional values and this comment was mocking these values. Then it segued into how much more Boomers have done for the world with technology than previous generations. I did my usual challenge that in fact the biggest transformation was over the 19th through early 20th century — far greater changes to human life: telegraph, the phone, trains, planes, electricity. I think he did accept the point I made — and my additional point that the “greatest generation” was not the Boomers.

He is a religious fanatic of the Barr persuasion, not evangelical. He showed me a youtube video that provided an animated display of the growth of various religions over the past 70+ years. It was clear that he found these trends alarming.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:09:58pm

re: #250 Blind Frog Belly White

Boadicea = Boudica = Boudicca, apparently.

Apparently, in classic Latin, there’s no soft ‘c’, so it would be “Bo-a-di-kee-a”, not “Bo-a-di-see-a”

There’s a passage in “Goodbye Mr. Chips”, where Chips objects to the “modern” (i.e. older) pronunciations - “‘Vicissim’ sounds like ‘We kiss him!’”

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:10:10pm

re: #226 Blind Frog Belly White

“Dear Penthouse Forum … “

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:11:25pm

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

just says nobody knows where that last battle took place and what actually happened.

Also, Paulinus apparently claimed there were 230,000 barbarians against his 10 times smaller force.

It’s all just insane.

Yeah, a lot of times when you try to align the total population of an area with how many people were supposedly in their army, it doesn’t make any sense.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:13:43pm

re: #258 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s a passage in “Goodbye Mr. Chips”, where Chips objects to the “modern” (i.e. older) pronunciations - “‘Vicissim’ sounds like ‘We kiss him!’”

It wasn’t bad enough our school was being torn up by Vatican II, some asshole had to bring up the Modern Language Association pronunciation guide. “Wheni, Weedie, Wiki” didn’t cut it with the medieval church Latin crowd.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:14:10pm
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garzooma  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:15:01pm

re: #259 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

“Dear Penthouse Forum … “

“…I used to think these letters were fake, but a recent experience on a school bus changed my mind…”

Really, Deep State, your framing is just brilliant!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:15:25pm

JFC. Every commercial break now has Bloomberg for President ads.

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:16:26pm

re: #248 jaunte

[Embedded content]

They’re not just going to appeal it, they’re going to lie about it.

The problem is, there’s now two decisions against him. It’s easier to win on appeal if there’s a split or if it is a case of first impression. And they can lie all they want, the Court is going to see the record and tell them to kindly fuck right the fuck off.

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KGxvi  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:17:45pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mike Pence always looks uncomfortable in situations that would normally call for nonchalance.

You try being nonchalant when you’ve got an entire broomstick up your ass

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:21:20pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Conan is male — the originally announced gender was incorrect. See wikipedia for the source of all truth: en.wikipedia.org

And one aspect of Pence that is far superior to Trump: he likes animals, has pets, and was clearly comfortable with Conan.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:22:38pm
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garzooma  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:24:43pm

re: #267 Hecuba’s daughter

Conan is male — the originally announced gender was incorrect. See wikipedia for the source of all truth: en.wikipedia.org

I thought Conan was an odd name for a female.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:25:12pm

re: #267 Hecuba’s daughter

Conan is male — the originally announced gender was incorrect. See wikipedia for the source of all truth: en.wikipedia.org

And one aspect of Pence that is far superior to Trump: he likes animals, has pets, and was clearly comfortable with Conan.

I gotta say, the whole “Is Conan male or female?” thing is pretty hard to understand, given that boy dogs have pretty obvious danglers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:25:41pm

re: #269 garzooma

I thought Conan was an odd name for a female.

What about Conan the Librarian?

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:28:51pm

re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

“What is best in life?”
“To crush your enemies, to see them bamboozled by the Dewey Decimal, and to hear their lamentations before the card catalog.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:29:07pm

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

I gotta say, the whole “Is Conan male or female?” thing is pretty hard to understand, given that boy dogs have pretty obvious danglers.

Oh! Just like Lassie!

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mmmirele  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:29:52pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

Moving isn’t easy, but moving isn’t impossible either. All my siblings moved, some thousands of miles, for our careers.

This isn’t new, either. America was built by people who moved, not people who stayed.

THIS. One thing I’ve learned from doing genealogy is that ancestors from both sides of the family moved every generation. One dude who lived to be 103 was born in NC, fought in the Revolutionary War, and then migrated through the South (Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas) and ended up in Texas, where he finally died in the 1850s.

Another interesting thing I learned is how people on both sides of the family followed the same paths in the same generation. It’s weird to see your ancestors move from town to town over a couple of generations along I-65 before turning and heading west along what became I-40. They were mobile because they were landless and poor.

When the economy tanked with the Great Depression, people in Arkansas and Oklahoma picked up and went all the way to California, because they could do it in a car, not a wagon. I had one of my mom’s cousins, whose family stayed in rural Oklahoma, tell me that my mother’s parents made the best decision they could when they picked up and left in 1937. The people who left were economically better off than the ones who stayed, most of whom were on some form or another of “assistance.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:30:34pm

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh! Just like Lassie!

A big floofy coat covers a multitude of sins.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:31:50pm

uhhhh

The Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture Act prohibits extreme acts of cruelty when they occur in interstate commerce or on federal property.

The legislation expands on a 2010 law that targeted videos depicting the crushing or torturing of animals, but that did not prohibit the underlying conduct. Under the new law, the underlying acts of cruelty would be a federal crime.

but brown children in cages or the gunsights of certain Navy SEALS…

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:36:36pm

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

uhhhh

[Embedded content]

but brown children in cages or the gunsights of certain Navy SEALS…

Wait? Mitch McConnell actually passed a bill in the Senate?? Amazing — trying to pretend he isn’t a complete obstructionist. You cannot fool me.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:39:11pm

I’m not so sure about that “Conan is a boy dog” thing.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:39:16pm

Dinner: Homemade General Tso Chicken. Actually the leftovers, the dinner is already eated.

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Jay C  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:45:51pm

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, a lot of times when you try to align the total population of an area with how many people were supposedly in their army, it doesn’t make any sense.

True: up until about the 18th Century, most personnel estimates for battles were at best, educated guesses: you see it in medieval chronicles a lot, where the annalists cite armies of “50,000” or “100,000” men in various fights: even where historical records - ration lists, pay records, etc. - indicate that maintaining forces larger than about 10,000 knights/soldiers was about the limit of their logistical capabilities. And that only for the deepest-pocketed.

Though I have a feeling Suetonius Paulinus may have puffing up his rep just a tad…

“Wow! You fought off CCXXX thousand barbarians! Sure, Paulie, whatever you say, man: have some more vino…..”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:47:03pm

re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

What about Conan the Librarian?

Don’t you know the Dewey Decimal System?!

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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:48:28pm

oldie but goodie

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:48:49pm

re: #278 Charles Johnson

I still think the whole story is bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:52:21pm

mah shocked face…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:53:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:54:51pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:55:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 4:56:04pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:00:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:01:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:03:17pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:03:26pm

i smell…

A PUSSYGRABBER!!

RORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFFRORFF

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:05:43pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I agree, but the problem is that there are far too many people who not only don’t take it seriously at all, but who actually think it’s a GOOD THING.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:06:15pm

pity party president

I’ve never seen nonstop attacks and absolute defiance like this against any other POTUS during my adult lifetime that began the day he was elected. What this President has had to endure is unprecedented. That people like you can’t or don’t want to see it is the biggest danger to our constitutional republic.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:06:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:09:26pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:18:19pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Next thing you know, Conan will be discharged under Trump’s trangender ban.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:21:52pm

dtimlre: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

They really hate Mr. Rogers. Being a decent person to kids really triggers them. John Wayne was an asshole and a fake tough guy.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:21:53pm

Monty Python First World War Noises

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Cheechako  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:22:24pm

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

Next thing you know, Conan will be discharged under Trump’s trangender ban.

How about if Conan is neutered or spaded?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:25:04pm

re: #300 Cheechako

How about if Conan is neutered or spaded?

What, someone would hit Conan with a shovel?
/////

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:27:32pm

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

What, someone would hit Conan with a shovel?
/////

Colonel Mustard in the nursery?

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:27:36pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

dtiml

They really hate Mr. Rogers. Being a decent person to kids really triggers them. John Wayne was an asshole and a fake tough guy.

Of course they hate him - as a real Christian he shows them for the fakes they are.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:28:59pm

Open treason tonight on Fox

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:29:25pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

dtiml

They really hate Mr. Rogers. Being a decent person to kids really triggers them. John Wayne was an asshole and a fake tough guy.

This guy?

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:31:48pm

re: #248 jaunte

[Embedded content]

They’re not just going to appeal it, they’re going to lie about it.

Both parties: The Democratic Nixon administration and the Trump administration.

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:32:45pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

That Palast program for identifying voters who have been purged and getting them restored is where those billionaires should be putting their money, not running for president.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:32:46pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

One of the saddest moments I’ve had recently after my father’s death, was cleaning out his home office and finding a framed photo of John Wayne on the wall. Dad was a perfect
sucker for the Republican party his whole life.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:35:48pm

re: #304 jaunte

Open treason tonight on Fox

[Embedded content]

Tucker would have rooted for Stalin or Hitler too.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:38:04pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:41:01pm

re: #304 jaunte

Tucker: “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Great Britain, and Russia Germany? I’m serious. Why shouldn’t I root for Russia Germnay? Which by the way I am.”

These are the same guys who always wanted to attack some brown guy as “The Next Hitler, he really is!”, and then when you have a European country invading another European country ( like what H*tl*r did), they’re all “Why should I care?”

The complete lack of any moral consistency is…….no longer surprising.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:41:31pm

Lol. Rarely ever meet a better judge of human character than a good dog. Of course he has to avoid them. They won’t pretend respect and dont know a president from a pauper.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:41:39pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Tucker would have rooted for Stalin or Hitler too.

He was the only guy in the theater whooping it up for Drago.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:42:48pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Tucker would have rooted for Stalin or Hitler too.

He’s an America First Originalist.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:47:51pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

Tucker: “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Great Britain, and Russia Germany? I’m serious. Why shouldn’t I root for Russia Germnay? Which by the way I am.”

These are the same guys who always wanted to attack some brown guy as “The Next Hitler, he really is!”, and then when you have a European country invading another European country ( like what H*tl*r did), they’re all “Why should I care?”

The complete lack of any moral consistency is…….no longer surprising.

Yep. I remember anyone who didn’t want a military first decision was Chamberlain 2.0 but now that we have a real dictator lover, appeasement is cool now.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:50:37pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:52:02pm

Thank you LAPD. Just had some threatening fool trying to start a fight with someone on the crowded subway. Now in cuffs.

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uriel  Nov 25, 2019 • 5:53:04pm

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

I gotta say, the whole “Is Conan male or female?” thing is pretty hard to understand, given that boy dogs have pretty obvious danglers.

Not always. You know: chop chop, congratulations, you’re now a soprano!

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:02:25pm

TBogg’s dog, Fenway, has passed away: balloon-juice.com.

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stpaulbear  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:04:01pm

YouTube is recommending a video called Life Changing Gift Wrapping Hacks.

It has 25 million views.

e_e

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:04:52pm

re: #319 Belafon

Finally found the tweets:

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:06:49pm

re: #321 Belafon

Dogs are the best. No wonder Trump hates them.

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stpaulbear  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:07:29pm

re: #321 Belafon

I remember what a cute puppy Fenway was. Poor TBogg.

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EPR-radar  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:09:00pm

re: #265 KGxvi

The problem is, there’s now two decisions against him. It’s easier to win on appeal if there’s a split or if it is a case of first impression. And they can lie all they want, the Court is going to see the record and tell them to kindly fuck right the fuck off.

I think it’s way past time for the judiciary to stop entertaining obviously frivolous appeals etc. from Trump and his goons. Just officially name this US president as a vexatious litigant, only permitted to appear in court as a defendant or if an independent arbiter thinks he actually has something resembling a case.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:10:06pm

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:25:48pm

I think elp could take yes in a fight

well coulda, back then anyway

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Dread Pirate  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:26:20pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:29:06pm
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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:34:09pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

John Wayne was an asshole and a fake tough guy.

“I installed two way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood … and he come to the door in a dress”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:34:38pm

It’s going to rain this week, and LOW ELEVATION SNOWFALL!

NWS San Diego Weather Briefing on Major Thanksgiving Storm

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:35:18pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:35:47pm
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uriel  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:35:48pm

re: #329 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

“I installed two way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood … and he come to the door in a dress”

Kudos on the excellent obscure reference!

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:36:33pm

Totalitarian Tucker.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:39:45pm

OK, late to the game today, but a few thoughts:

That’s a good dog.
That’s a good dog that wants to be pet.
That’s a scared douche wearing an overcoat (bulletproof) when no one else is, except Melania
While I have questioned it in the past, Pence may actually be a real human. As, he notices the good dog wants a pet, and delivers one.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:41:44pm

“Make the Soviet Union Great Again.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:43:14pm
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LadyBehir  Nov 25, 2019 • 6:49:45pm

re: #250 Blind Frog Belly White

Boadicea = Boudica = Boudicca, apparently.

Apparently, in classic Latin, there’s no soft ‘c’, so it would be “Bo-a-di-kee-a”, not “Bo-a-di-see-a”

Late reply because I read this site as I can
1) thanks for the song.
2) We have a husky named Boudicca Maeve. Being Americans that we are, we pronounce her name Boo Dik Ah. Also known as BooBoo Bear.


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