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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 1:49:53pm

this is just pathetic

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2019 • 1:51:04pm

“White supremacy is not a threat” - white guys.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2019 • 1:53:16pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is just pathetic

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I’m no audio expert but I swear this sounds like it’s been spliced together from multiple recordings. Rather odd for such a short statement.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 1:59:15pm

re: #444 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

From the end of the last thread…

I don’t know if Pete is lying or if he hasn’t bothered to learn the actual facts in an attempt to deal with the real issue, but this is something a Democratic candidate for POTUS should know about. Whether he’s lying or willfully ignorant, either way, it feels disqualifying.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:06:04pm

When can we start saying “Black and White economic anxiety”?

Suicides and overdoses among factors fueling drop in U.S. life expectancy

“The root causes of the problem — which stem from the decline of the working class, the erosion of families, communities and social capital, and an inadequate public healthcare system — these are not going away,” said Brookings Institution scholar Carol Graham, who studies the rise and fall of happiness in societies. “Even worse, those problems are likely to spill over into the next generation.”

Many of those who have died from deaths of despair, or who are traveling that path, will leave behind children stressed from experiences that include general neglect and witnessing their parents’ overdoses.”

latimes.com

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:06:08pm

Looks like this will be the “expert testimony” stuff I talked about the other day.

Republicans held a similar hearing at the outset of proceedings against President Bill Clinton in 1998, and Democrats say the move is a necessary prerequisite to drafting articles of impeachment.

“The impeachment inquiry is entering into a new phase,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) said in a statement. “Our first task is to explore the framework put in place to respond to serious allegations of impeachable misconduct like those against President Trump.”

Most notably, the hearing will give Trump and his legal team the option to participate. The president and his allies have blasted Democrats over their impeachment inquiry, saying it has failed to include meaningful due process for the president.

Nadler is calling one of Trump’s bluffs. Curious to see who Trump can find that would be willing to go before congress and debase themselves

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:06:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:06:42pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m no audio expert but I swear this sounds like it’s been spliced together from multiple recordings. Rather odd for such a short statement.

the music is so awfully OTT

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:07:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:07:59pm

heh

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:10:01pm

re: #6 Decatur Deb

“The root causes of the problem — which stem from the decline of the working class, the erosion of families, communities and social capital, and an inadequate public healthcare system — these are not going away.”

All of these issues can be traced to the ongoing and massive transfer of wealth to the upper classes. They are sucking us dry and literally leaving dead bodies in their wake.

But hey, greatest fucking country in the world, right?

:(

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:12:16pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

“The root causes of the problem — which stem from the decline of the working class, the erosion of families, communities and social capital, and an inadequate public healthcare system — these are not going away.”

All of these issues can be traced to the ongoing and massive transfer of wealth to the upper classes. They are sucking us dry and literally leaving dead bodies in their wake.

But hey, greatest fucking country in the world, right?

:(

Making the situation worse is pretty much the essence of the GOP platform at all levels.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:14:50pm

Max Boot: “Republicans have turned their back on conservative principles to become a cult of personality for an aspiring authoritarian. All voters with a conscience should now turn their back on the Republican Party. For aiding and abetting the president’s egregious abuses of power, the Republican Party deserves to be destroyed from top to bottom. We need a center-right party in this country. What we have instead is a party with no fixed principles that is willing to do anything — no matter how vile — to serve its maximum leader, a.k.a. ‘the chosen one.’”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:15:03pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:15:51pm

re: #7 KGxvi

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Looks like this will be the “expert testimony” stuff I talked about the other day.

Nadler is calling one of Trump’s bluffs. Curious to see who Trump can find that would be willing to go before congress and debase themselves

Please please please please let it be Pirro defending Trump before the committee!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:17:19pm

re: #14 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

We need a center-right party in this country.

We have a center-right party in this country, but I have to keep voting Democratic anyways.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:21:04pm
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Belafon  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:21:25pm

re: #17 Decatur Deb

We have a center-right party in this country, but I have to keep voting Democratic anyways.

We really should end this idea:

Where are we?

nytimes.com

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:28:17pm

re: #17 Decatur Deb

We have a center-right party in this country, but I have to keep voting Democratic anyways.

yeah - i wanted the “burn down the gop” part and i didnt want to take out the part i didnt care for - the center-right party nonsense

if you see the threat, then it’s simple:
the way to get trump out is vote D.
even if you dont register D or participate in the primaries.
because there’s not a lot of time
dont need a new party or anything - you couldnt build one that fast anyway

accept how we got here, what the options are, suck it up and goddammit vote D.

you can worry about belonging to a shiny new party later

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:28:45pm

re: #17 Decatur Deb

We have a center-right party in this country, but I have to keep voting Democratic anyways.

We could have more/better parties in this country, but the two major parties continue to sell the “if you vote third party, you’re wasting your vote” and people continue to buy it. It probably doesn’t help that third parties often end up being led by crazy people.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:30:13pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Quite a few of the base-dwellers would insist that Franklin was a President.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:30:19pm

re: #20 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

yeah - i wanted the “burn down the gop” part and i didnt want to take out the part i didnt care for - the center-right party nonsense

if you see the threat, then it’s simple:
the way to get trump out is vote D.
even if you dont register D or participate in the primaries.
because there’s not a lot of time
dont need a new party or anything - you couldnt build one that fast anyway

accept how we got here, what the options are, suck it up and goddammit vote D.

you can worry about belonging to a shiny new party later

‘Xactly.

I live for the day I can afford to choose between Lefty Democrat and Leftier. 2020 will not be the year.

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:32:00pm

re: #21 KGxvi

We could have more/better parties in this country, but the two major parties continue to sell the “if you vote third party, you’re wasting your vote” and people continue to buy it. It probably doesn’t help that third parties often end up being led by crazy people.

I would say that, in 2016, one party proved it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:32:48pm

NY Times on Yet Another Cletus Safari

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:33:07pm

re: #21 KGxvi

… It probably doesn’t help that third parties often end up being led by crazy people.

Once looked carefully at Ross Perot, but found out my FIL was too. Then, of course, he lost his shit.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:35:08pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

We should include more people on our currency than just presidents (and Hamilton and Franklin). I’d like to see people who contributed to the nation’s culture and history in positive ways - authors, musicians, artists, scientists/inventors.

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:35:48pm

re: #25 The Pie Overlord!

NY Times on Yet Another Cletus Safari

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I’m curious what percentage of people that represents?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:36:24pm

this AM’s air space violation?

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:36:45pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Once looked carefully at Ross Perot, but found out my FIL was too. Then, of course, he lost his shit.

My folks in ‘92 were looking at Perot. Then he lost his shit, dropped out… they ended up voting for Bush again.

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:37:59pm

re: #27 KGxvi

We should include more people on our currency than just presidents (and Hamilton and Franklin). I’d like to see people who contributed to the nation’s culture and history in positive ways - authors, musicians, artists, scientists/inventors.

I liked that in the Fringe alternate universe they had MLK on the $20 and had no clue who Jackson was.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:39:47pm

re: #27 KGxvi

We should include more people on our currency than just presidents (and Hamilton and Franklin). I’d like to see people who contributed to the nation’s culture and history in positive ways - authors, musicians, artists, scientists/inventors.

re: #31 Belafon

I liked that in the Fringe alternate universe they had MLK on the $20 and had no clue who Jackson was.

Back when they had a 1000 Lira note (1$US), Italy had Maria Montessori on it. Good choice.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:42:19pm

re: #14 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

I agree with Boot but does he really believe that the Republican Party is horrible just now? Does he really believe that the problem is Trump? Trump is the symptom of how debased Republicans have become but even after he is out of problem, Republicans are still going to be a racist mess.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:43:32pm

re: #33 Patricia Kayden

I agree with Boot but does he really believe that the Republican Party is horrible just now? Does he really believe that the problem is Trump? Trump is the symptom of how debased Republicans have become but even after he is out of problem, Republicans are still going to be a racist mess.

Trump is the GOP ideology made flesh.

Lots of flesh.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:45:14pm

re: #28 Belafon

I’m curious what percentage of people that represents?

Here’s CNN’s exit poll from 2018. Among those who voted for Trump in 2016, 8% voted for Democrats in 2018. If my math is right, it’s about 3-4% of the overall electorate (complicated by the fact that turnout in 2018 was about 10% lower than turnout in 2016). Democrats also won fairly big among those who voted third party or didn’t vote (a total of 16% of the 2018 electorate).

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:45:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:46:11pm

re: #27 KGxvi

We should include more people on our currency than just presidents (and Hamilton and Franklin). I’d like to see people who contributed to the nation’s culture and history in positive ways - authors, musicians, artists, scientists/inventors.

well,there’s also Chase

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:48:33pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

well,there’s also Chase

Popular vote: 5 Kardashians gets you a Kanye.

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uriel  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:49:02pm

re: #25 The Pie Overlord!

NY Times on Yet Another Cletus Safari

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I like how they bury this little piece of possibly relevant info several paragraphs down:

This group is only a sliver of the electorate — 2 percent of registered voters — and is not representative of all voters. They are overwhelmingly white, 60 percent are male, and two-thirds have no college degree.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:49:53pm

re: #39 uriel

So, cletus personified…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:50:04pm

re: #39 uriel

I like how they bury this little piece of possibly important info several paragraphs down:

And 12% are named “Cletus”.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:50:45pm

re: #40 Colère Tueur de Lapin

So, cleft s personified…

Sorry, that’s a DQ.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:53:37pm

re: #33 Patricia Kayden

I agree with Boot but does he really believe that the Republican Party is horrible just now? Does he really believe that the problem is Trump? Trump is the symptom of how debased Republicans have become but even after he is out of problem, Republicans are still going to be a racist mess.

I think for a lot of former Republicans, they had deluded themselves into thinking that the high brow conservative movement was what the party really was. They couldn’t/wouldn’t acknowledge that the movement was not what the Republican base was.

The base got swept up in grievance politics, scared of a rapidly changing world, and bought into their worst instincts which were amplified by the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity and O’Rielly and the rest. Trump is the perfect avatar for the base, and is willing to exploit it to his full advantage.

The movement types would have been fine with someone like Cruz or Rubio or Jeb because they know that those guys would be willing to tell the base to piss off on a few issues. Trump won’t do that because he’s not interested in anything other than lining his otherwise empty pockets, and he knows that he can make more by giving the base the nastiest parts of what they want.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 26, 2019 • 2:53:41pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

Stupid autocorrect. I fixed it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:06:41pm

OH HAI @Jack you banned Vicious Babushka but you let this guy keep posting?
Please report this ass’s ass:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:08:34pm

I reported that ass to the FBI and Secret Service because Jack of the Silicon Six sees nothing wrong with an ass threatening to kill Bernie!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:11:59pm
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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:13:08pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

I reported that ass to the FBI and Secret Service because Jack of the Silicon Six sees nothing wrong with an ass threatening to kill Bernie!

He apparently didn’t learn anything while living in SF and playing for the giants

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:13:45pm

Thanksgiving travel is so much fun!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:14:52pm

re: #49 The Pie Overlord!

Thanksgiving travel is so much fun!

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Yikes. That’s gotta suck.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:16:23pm

re: #49 The Pie Overlord!

Thanksgiving travel is so much fun!

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My wife and I have a 13 hour drive tonight. Pray everything goes well.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:19:42pm

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

My wife and I have a 13 hour drive tonight. Pray everything goes well.

Hope you alternate. That’s a long drive.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:20:23pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Hope you alternate. That’s a long drive.

Damn right lol. We can also easily stop somewhere for the night if issues come up or we just get too tired.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:23:25pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Lulz

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:27:33pm
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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:27:38pm

re: #28 Belafon

I’m curious what percentage of people that represents?

DT’s margin in those battleground states was razor thin. A smaller share of 2018 crossover votes plus our increased registrations and turnout should be plenty. Plus we have another year for them to change their minds (or decide to stay home).

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:30:15pm

re: #55 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Hey, Rudy! Get that insurance policy ready…. looks like you’re going to need it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:30:29pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:32:36pm

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

My wife and I have a 13 hour drive tonight. Pray everything goes well.

Punch the drive in the face!

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Teukka  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:34:21pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:36:17pm

re: #56 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

DT’s margin in those battleground states was razor thin. A smaller share of 2018 crossover votes plus our increased registrations and turnout should be plenty. Plus we have another year for them to change their minds (or decide to stay home).

Plus, nationally 4.89% of the national vote went to Johnson/Stein/McMullin, which is historically high for third party votes. By comparison Johnson and Stein combined for just 1.35% in 2012; and Nader and Barr combined for less than 1% in 2008.

Realistically, there’s about 3.5% of voters that would have otherwise voted for a major party nominee in 2016 but for the choices. I suspect a fairly decent amount of them will end up voting for the Democratic nominee; and I can’t imagine a scenario where a significant number of them vote for Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:38:27pm

re: #55 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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LOL! The State Dept emails detail that Rudy’s involvement was coordinated directly through Madeleine Westerhout, the White House Director of Oval Office Operations. In the call memo Trump literally instructed Zelensky to go through Rudy.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:39:39pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

LOL! The State Dept emails detail that Rudy’s involvement was coordinated directly through Madeleine Westerhout, the White House Director of Oval Office Operations. In the call memo Trump literally instructed Zelensky to go through Rudy.

Insert 1984 quote about evidence here

Insert Humpty Dumpty quote about words here

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:41:08pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Once looked carefully at Ross Perot, but found out my FIL was too. Then, of course, he lost his shit.

Perot didn’t so much lose his shit as reveal that he’d never really been holding it very tight in the first place.

Plus, you know, people basically projected their hopes and dreams onto him.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:44:33pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

Perot didn’t so much lose his shit as reveal that he’d never really been holding it very tight in the first place.

Plus, you know, people basically projected their hopes and dreams onto him.

I still have “measure twice, cut once” engraved into my brain. He must have said it 1,000 times during the campaign.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:44:58pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

Perot didn’t so much lose his shit as reveal that he’d never really been holding it very tight in the first place.

Plus, you know, people basically projected their hopes and dreams onto him.

1992 was a strange year. Not as strange as 2015-2019, but still… strange.

GHW Bush looked like he was going to run away with it. The Dems were at peak Dems In Disarray! And then the economy tanked and Perot did his thing and Clinton somehow came out of the primary…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:52:38pm

re: #66 KGxvi

1992 was a strange year. Not as strange as 2015-2019, but still… strange.

GHW Bush looked like he was going to run away with it. The Dems were at peak Dems In Disarray! And then the economy tanked and Perot did his thing and Clinton somehow came out of the primary…

Biggest problem for Bush WRT the economy was he didn’t seem able to project any empathy about it. Then he tried to convince people that they were wrong, and while he was TECHNICALLY correct that the economy was no longer in recession, that wasn’t what people were experiencing.

Clinton came out of the primary because he has always been able to connect with people’s pain, so that they felt heard.

Perot connected more with people’s anger and frustration.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:55:21pm

re: #65 I Would Prefer Not To

I still have “measure twice, cut once” engraved into my brain. He must have said it 1,000 times during the campaign.

“Clean out the barn!”

But. you know, he didn’t really have much in the way of policy prescriptions. And when he put together a ‘blue ribbon panel’ of economists to develop his tax/spend policy (because, remember, his big thing was the deficit was gonna kill us), it was so punitive, in the midst of a recession, that we’d have basically fallen off a cliff.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:56:35pm

In before the “I’m done with ari melber” crowd for having Matt schlapp on.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:59:06pm

re: #69 VegasGolfer

In before the “I’m done with ari melber” crowd for having Matt schlapp on.

Yeah, but did he Schlapp him around?
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 26, 2019 • 3:59:41pm

Detroit Chili Dog

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:00:15pm

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

Biggest problem for Bush WRT the economy was he didn’t seem able to project any empathy about it. Then he tried to convince people that they were wrong, and while he was TECHNICALLY correct that the economy was no longer in recession, that wasn’t what people were experiencing.

Clinton came out of the primary because he has always been able to connect with people’s pain, so that they felt heard.

Perot connected more with people’s anger and frustration.

That’s a pretty solid analysis, really.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:00:22pm

The parsnips are a deal-breaker but I would totally feed it to my scuzzbag relatives if they dared to show up at my house.

You Can Get A Full-Course Christmas Dinner In One Can

The nine layers include turkey, potatoes, gravy, and Christmas pudding.

The nine-layer meal includes everything you need for a traditional Christmas dinner, including dessert. It starts with scrambled egg and bacon (maybe it’s intended for breakfast?). Then it moves down to two mince pies, turkey and potatoes, gravy, bread sauce, cranberry sauce, Brussel sprouts with stuffing or broccoli with stuffing, roast carrots and parsnips, and, to complete the meal, Christmas pudding.

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sagehen  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:01:14pm

re: #27 KGxvi

We should include more people on our currency than just presidents (and Hamilton and Franklin). I’d like to see people who contributed to the nation’s culture and history in positive ways - authors, musicians, artists, scientists/inventors.

The UK does that.

They’ve got Shakespeare, Austen, Newton, Darwin…

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:02:33pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Nope.

Noooooope.

Noooooooope.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:02:36pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

What a bizarre mismash of tastes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:04:31pm

re: #72 KGxvi

That’s a pretty solid analysis, really.

I remember feeling about Perot supporters much the same way I feel now about Trump supporters. To me he seemed like an obvious nutball.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:07:10pm

re: #49 The Pie Overlord!

Thanksgiving travel is so much fun!

One of the airline catering firms Is planning a sit-in at National Airport in DC today…

Workers to Picket at DCA

Airline catering workers at Reagan National Airport are planning to picket and stage a sit-in today to protest “poverty wages [and] expensive healthcare.”

The workers, who work for companies contracted by the airlines, are paid as little as $12.15 an hour and many don’t receive company-provided healthcare, according to labor union UNITE HERE Local 23.

Around 5:30 p.m. today, on perhaps the busiest travel day of the year, workers are planning to engage in “informational picketing,” followed by a “nonviolent civil disobedience sit-in” at DCA’s American Airlines Terminal C.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:07:11pm

re: #27 KGxvi

re: #74 sagehen

Americans are very much into hierarchy. I’t sort of a substitute for kicking out a monarchy?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:07:18pm

re: #75 KGxvi

Nope.

Noooooope.

Noooooooope.

We keep a half-dozen MREs on hand, and I’d pop one first. We took two with us on the 30 day camping trip, and brought them back. That’s the metric for a good trip/TDY.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:07:34pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

I remember feeling about Perot supporters much the same way I feel now about Trump supporters. To me he seemed like an obvious nutball.

granted, I was 12, but I remember kind of liking him at first. But then he showed himself to be crazy.

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steve_davis  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:08:05pm

Well, this sucks. The “Rickenbacker 4003” showed up in what appeared to be a Rickenbacker case. You know that feeling you get when you pull something out of a box and it is supposed to be one thing but the alarm bells go off in your head that it actually isn’t? Yeah. That one. First, I’m definitely not an expert, but I’ve never seen a 4003 that doesn’t have a USA emblem below the strings near the neck. Then, this was supposed to be “mint” from a collector’s stable, and yet it had grunge stains on the body, and dust all along the side of the bridge pickup. I decided I’d go ahead and pull the strings and change them out for some Rotosounds. Whoops. Wear marks on the frets. “Played lightly, if ever.” Nope. Then, this….

chipped fretboard

There’s a divet in the top of the fretboard there. So, needless to say, it’s going back. The thing that sucks is that if I want another bass by Christmas, I’ll probably have to just shell out more money because the refund on this is presumably gonna take a couple of weeks.

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sagehen  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:08:49pm

re: #33 Patricia Kayden

I agree with Boot but does he really believe that the Republican Party is horrible just now? Does he really believe that the problem is Trump? Trump is the symptom of how debased Republicans have become but even after he is out of problem, Republicans are still going to be a racist mess.

It’s a generational thing.

Earl Warren was a Republican. There used to be a whole faction of that kind of Republican. Nixon was a crook, but he’s a crook who did EPA, OSHA, Title IX, Title X. Gerald Ford was the single best-on-women’s-issues of his generation. The first senator to stand up against McCarthy was Margaret Chase Smith, Republican fro Maine.

The Republican Party hasn’t always been what it is today; and it doesn’t have to always be.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:11:40pm

re: #83 sagehen

It’s a generational thing.

Earl Warren was a Republican. There used to a whole faction of that kind of Republican. Nixon was a crook, but he’s a crook who did EPA, OSHA, Title IX, Title X. Gerald Ford was the single best-on-women’s-issues of his generation.

Don’t know about the other laws, but EPA and OSHA were pushed through to prevent stronger Dem-backed legislation in the works.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:11:59pm

We should probably just go to all electronic commerce. Skip the bills, skip the coins, just put a chip in you and you pay automatically as you walk out the store.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:12:07pm

re: #79 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Americans are very much into hierarchy. I’t sort of a substitute for kicking out a monarchy?

Eh, I think it’s just because in the 20th century we had almost no changes to our currency until the late 90s. And that was such a shock to people that making even bigger changes would have fried too many brains.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:16:24pm

re: #85 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

We should probably just go to all electronic commerce. Skip the bills, skip the coins, just put a chip in you and you pay automatically as you walk out the store.

I rarely carry cash anymore. But there are times when it’s nice to have some spending money in my pocket. And yet I feel like a system where we don’t have the option of cash would be a nightmare.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:21:24pm

re: #83 sagehen

It’s a generational thing.

Earl Warren was a Republican. There used to a whole faction of that kind of Republican. Nixon was a crook, but he’s a crook who did EPA, OSHA, Title IX, Title X. Gerald Ford was the single best-on-women’s-issues of his generation. The first senator to stand up against McCarthy was Margaret Chase Smith, Republican fro Maine.

The Republican Party hasn’t always been what it is today; and it doesn’t have to always be.

I still wonder sometimes, how the last quarter of the 20th century would have played out if Nixon had been smart enough to throw the burglars under the bus from the beginning and skated.

Would Reagan have ended up being president in 1977? Does the economy tank in the late 70s, and who do the Dems run in 80? The last half century could have looked very different.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:24:49pm

Down to only 1 painkiller per day, so I’ll take it now and go watch cheesy vampire movies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:29:28pm

re: #33 Patricia Kayden

I agree with Boot but does he really believe that the Republican Party is horrible just now? Does he really believe that the problem is Trump? Trump is the symptom of how debased Republicans have become but even after he is out of problem, Republicans are still going to be a racist mess.

One thing you keep hearing from the NeverTrump Conservatives is “He was a good guy. He was smart, he was principled” and on and on, “What happened to him?”

And it never occurs to them that the person they are now disappointed with was ALWAYS like that, but had never had the opportunity to really let their Fascist flag fly.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:30:36pm

I guess he is not too feeble and weak to hold one of his WORSHIP ME!!!! rallies.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:31:44pm

Stakes through the heart of Matty Moroun:

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:33:37pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

I remember feeling about Perot supporters much the same way I feel now about Trump supporters. To me he seemed like an obvious nutball.

The only things that Perot had in common with Trump are that he was a “billionaire” and an outsider with no political experience. Otherwise, the two men could not differ more in terms of intellect, knowledge, temperament, and behavior. Perot was eccentric but not a dishonest misogynist and racist. He was a real billionaire based on his legitimate business success, and not from money inherited from his father. Yes — his economic philosophy was similar to Trump’s stated views, but Perot would not be engaging in senseless trade wars and would have definitely learned from experience if his policies failed. (I voted for Clinton both times)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:36:25pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:38:37pm
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Belafon  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:38:54pm

re: #94 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:42:30pm
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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:44:51pm

re: #93 Hecuba’s daughter

The only things that Perot had in common with Trump are that he was a “billionaire” and an outsider with no political experience. Otherwise, the two men could not differ more in terms of intellect, knowledge, temperament, and behavior. Perot was eccentric but not a dishonest misogynist and racist. He was a real billionaire based on his legitimate business success, and not from money inherited from his father. Yes — his economic philosophy was similar to Trump’s stated views, but Perot would not be engaging in senseless trade wars and would have definitely learned from experience if his policies failed. (I voted for Clinton both times)

Wasn’t Perot the only general election candidate to be anti-NAFTA?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:45:54pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:47:00pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Down to only 1 painkiller per day, so I’ll take it now and go watch cheesy vampire movies.

I’ve gone without for 3 days with no real pain.
It was wonderful other than the fact I couldn’t sleep at all.

Today I started the 1st real phy. therapy. Needless to say that didn’t last, not to mention the change of weather that’s coming in.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:48:54pm

re: #96 Belafon

Trump starts his rally by saying liberals don’t want Thanksgiving to be called Thanksgiving

Merry Bloatmas everybody!

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:48:58pm

re: #94 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

[Embedded content]

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retired cynic  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:48:58pm

re: #100 Dave In Austin

I’ve gone without for 3 days with no real pain.
It was wonderful other than the fact I couldn’t sleep at all.

Today I started the 1st real phy. therapy. Needless to say that didn’t last, not to mention the change of weather that’s coming in.

I’m down for 6 per day to 4. It does take one to sleep, and one during the night.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:50:37pm
105
Dave In Austin  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:52:20pm

re: #103 retired cynic

I hate ‘em, and I’m sure there will be a price to pay to some degree. I’m going the melatonin route tonite.

They beat me up today. This old man doesn’t stretch very well these days.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:52:39pm

re: #98 KGxvi

Wasn’t Perot the only general election candidate to be anti-NAFTA?

Yes — but most Democrats did not favor the treaty either. Perot’s views were not out of line with the traditional more liberal wing of the Democratic party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:53:09pm

he is nutz

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:54:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:57:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2019 • 4:58:22pm
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SerialUpDinger  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:01:22pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eric Carmen - i enjoyed his music as an adolescent. From his timeline - it looks like he is just another person who can not change his mind when presented with info that contradicts his beliefs. The right wing swamp fever is strong in that one.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:03:52pm

My new FB friend Rick isn’t known for his placid demeanor and soothing rhetoric. He posts like this several times a day. I like him a lot.

Facebook Post

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:17:55pm

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

My new FB friend Rick isn’t known for his placid demeanor and soothing rhetoric. He posts like this several times a day. I like him a lot.

[Embedded content]

MAKE THE BLACK HUNDREDS GREAT AGAIN!!!

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lawhawk  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:19:57pm

Who knew that Cohen was Trump’s smart lawyer (relative to Rudy).

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Dread Pirate  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:20:15pm
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lawhawk  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:27:47pm

re: #115 Dread Pirate

So - multiple issues here.

Is this normal operating procedure, or did this get back to Trump outside normal channels? If this is normal operating procedure, he’s still in trouble because the only reason he unfroze the aid was that he knew the WB testimony was going to implicate him in holding up the aid for partisan personal political reasons that had nothing to do with any national policy.

If this isn’t normal operating procedure, it opens up another line of inquiry because who let Trump know that there was a whistleblower and why did they escalate to Trump?

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Dread Pirate  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:29:26pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:30:56pm
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jaunte  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:34:14pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:34:40pm

PROJECTIN LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE… SPACE… SPAAAAACE!!!!!

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:35:24pm

re: #120 The Pie Overlord!

PROJECTIN LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE… SPACE… SPAAAAACE!!!!!

[Embedded content]

And there’s that hitched up left shoulder tic again.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:35:31pm

re: #94 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Happy Indigenous People’s Day.

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retired cynic  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:37:37pm

Today is my mother’s birthday. She would have been 98. I seriously do miss her every day since she died accidentally at age 92. Can it be 6 years? Amazing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:37:37pm

Jesus.

“Gosh, sir! Your boobs are bigger than your wife’s, and she’s had work done!”

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:38:53pm

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

Jesus.

[Embedded content]

“Gosh, sir! Your boobs are bigger than your wife’s, and she’s had work done!”

He thinks Ben Garrison cartoons are actual portraits.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:39:15pm

re: #123 retired cynic

Today is my mother’s birthday. She would have been 98. I seriously do miss her every day since she died accidentally at age 92. Can it be 6 years? Amazing.

It can. Mom has been gone since 2011, but it doesn’t seem that long.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:39:49pm

re: #125 The Pie Overlord!

He thinks Ben Garrison cartoons are actual portraits.

The ones where his pear shape is upside down.

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stpaulbear  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:41:43pm

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

Jesus.

[Embedded content]

“Gosh, sir! Your boobs are bigger than your wife’s, and she’s had work done!”

Hopefully at that point a handful of women turned to their husbands and said “let’s go home”.

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retired cynic  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:42:26pm

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

Jesus.

[Embedded content]

“Gosh, sir! Your boobs are bigger than your wife’s, and she’s had work done!”

GAG!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2019 • 5:46:00pm

re: #129 retired cynic

GAG!

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2019 • 6:43:26pm

re: #82 steve_davis

Well, this sucks. The “Rickenbacker 4003” showed up in what appeared to be a Rickenbacker case. You know that feeling you get when you pull something out of a box and it is supposed to be one thing but the alarm bells go off in your head that it actually isn’t? Yeah. That one. First, I’m definitely not an expert, but I’ve never seen a 4003 that doesn’t have a USA emblem below the strings near the neck. Then, this was supposed to be “mint” from a collector’s stable, and yet it had grunge stains on the body, and dust all along the side of the bridge pickup. I decided I’d go ahead and pull the strings and change them out for some Rotosounds. Whoops. Wear marks on the frets. “Played lightly, if ever.” Nope. Then, this….

[Embedded content]

There’s a divet in the top of the fretboard there. So, needless to say, it’s going back. The thing that sucks is that if I want another bass by Christmas, I’ll probably have to just shell out more money because the refund on this is presumably gonna take a couple of weeks.

Dude, that sucks. You could almost get away with a ding like that on a Fender or a Gibson, but no way on a Ric.

Good luck with the return. And just a note - Reverb has a Black Friday sale going on already. 15% off on a whole lot of guitars (I’ve been looking. A lot).

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uriel  Nov 26, 2019 • 6:57:46pm

re: #125 The Pie Overlord!

He thinks Ben Garrison cartoons are actual portraits.

I don’t doubt that one bit.


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