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I truly look forward to the day that people high up in the Trump admin face serious consequences for their actions.
‘“clearly constitutes impeachable high crimes and misdemeanors”
re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg
I truly look forward to the day that people high up in the Trump admin face serious consequences for their actions.
We should only live so long……
re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg
I truly look forward to the day that people high up in the Trump admin face serious consequences for their actions.
As my dear departed mom used to say (in English and Yiddish), “From your lips to God’s ear.”
re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg
I truly look forward to the day that people high up in the Trump admin face serious consequences for their actions.
the fact that his personal lawyer, campaign manager and several other top advisers are in jail or prison right now does not seem to bear much weight for his supporters who still cry “witch hunt!” and insist he is the victim of a coup attempt.
How about fining members for unwarranted delay of process.
they’re gonna slow it down but they wont be able to derail it
re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg
I truly look forward to the day that people high up in the Trump admin face serious consequences for their actions.
Me too. I’ve never been so disillusioned.
re: #8 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
they’re gonna slow it down but they wont be able to derail it
Trump is going to keep on making the argument on his own that he needs to go.
Mr. Georgia is full of shit. #ImpeachmentHearings
— Michael W. Twitty (@KosherSoul) December 4, 2019
#ImpeachmentHearings Wow he thinks he tells the truth, does what he says he will do and can read…Mr. Georgia thinks Drumpf has super powers.
— Michael W. Twitty (@KosherSoul) December 4, 2019
Ranking Member Doug Collins is the Devin Nunes of this episode. Can’t wait to see what crimes he will be implicated in.
karlan just slapped collins in the face
Overseas - as constitutional scholars deliver their opening statements on the Hill - President Trump tells pool reporters he hasn’t been able to tune in because of his meetings. “I don’t think too many people are going to watch, because it’ll be bo-ring.”
— Hallie Jackson (@HallieJackson) December 4, 2019
the professors (so far) are accepting the facts presented
while the R’s continue to pretend none of it happened
Professor Pam Karlan asks: Does protecting the election require impeaching the election? After reading ALL of the testimony, she has concluded that it does. Elections matter. Voting is preservative of all rights. Not surprising that constitution is marbled w/election protection.
— Elizabeth de la Vega (@Delavegalaw) December 4, 2019
“Voting is preservative of all rights.”
That’s why Republicans attack it.
re: #11 The Pie Overlord!
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Ranking Member Doug Collins is the Devin Nunes of this episode. Can’t wait to see what crimes he will be implicated in.
gmta - i said that last thread
(and i think nunes did it better - though he apparently had more to protect)
Republicans are really good at wasting time.
three for three “the president has committed impeachable offenses”
looking forward to see what turley does
Turdley. Ok, I’m still in 3rd grade.
Here is Turley’s 1998 opening statement from the Clinton impeachment hearings. It’s a bit different than the opening statement he is giving today: https://t.co/U254PS1iCw https://t.co/O9BEx1uHdB
— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) December 4, 2019
gerhardt just invoked lindsey regarding clinton
video is forever
it’s nice that someone is saying everything we’ve known all along live on television
PLEASE DO BETTER https://t.co/6ROmvJJX7G
— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) December 4, 2019
Our press is failing us so hard, it’s hard not to assume complicity over incompetence. I sound like a broken record on this, but it’s still true.
re: #14 The Pie Overlord!
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You know what’s boring? The same old Trump stump speech.
well he said “scandal”
and then went where expected
“this doesnt rise to the level’…..
but yeah, clinton did…
someone’s gonna ask him that
oh my goodness. Jonathan Turley. Isn’t he a cable news pundit? Is that why he sounds like an idiot?
re: #24 Citizen K
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Our press is failing us so hard, it’s hard not to assume complicity over incompetence. I sound like a broken record on this, but it’s still true.
I hear ya.
re: #13 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
karlan just slapped collins in the face
Here’s video. She ain’t having it.
Powerful. Watch Rep Collins squirm. pic.twitter.com/HjZ5nK4Vou
— Claude Taylor (@TrueFactsStated) December 4, 2019
re: #29 makeitstop
Here’s video. She ain’t having it.
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she implied it may have been too much for him to read
while she read it all
re: #16 jaunte
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“Voting is preservative of all rights.”
That’s why Republicans attack it.
Voting is our most fundamental right in a democracy.
re: #27 steve_davis
oh my goodness. Jonathan Turley. Isn’t he a cable news pundit? Is that why he sounds like an idiot?
Yuppers, he used to be on MSNBC and was booted…now on Fox
re: #26 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
well he said “scandal”
and then went where expected
“this doesnt rise to the level’…..but yeah, clinton did…
someone’s gonna ask him that
Right.
re: #22 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
gerhardt just invoked lindsey regarding clinton
video is forever
I remarked earlier that the level of discourse in these hearings is a bit more serious and refined than the shitshow that runs on broadcast media and the fever swamp of social media.
Fools are not suffered, facts are not as hard to relativize and Russian bots are unable to actively influence the discourse.
So was I right re my last comment?
re: #239 Jay C
The Judiciary hearings are, apparently, a rerun of the HPSCI circus? Nadler and the Dems laying out a clear, coherent case, while the GOPers just blither, bluster, and waste time?
The big problem I see is that Jerry Nadler (who I like - he used to be my Rep when I lived across town) isn’t the attack-dog prosecutor type Adam Schiff is. Not that I think Nadler is going to let the Repubs’ efforts to derail the process succeed, but in terms of setting the narrative and presenting the “case” to the public, the Judiciary “show” is likely to suffer from the “second-act doldrums”. And - unfortunately, but true - the media want a “show”. And it doesn’t (at least AFAICT) look like there is going to be a Marie Yovanovich or Fiona Hill in the wings this time round.
re: #16 jaunte
“Voting is preservative of all rights.”
That’s why Republicans attack it.
GOP is pushing for a fully organic preservative-free democracy…
re: #35 Jay C
So was I right re my last comment?
The Judiciary hearings are, apparently, a rerun of the HPSCI circus? Nadler and the Dems laying out a clear, coherent case, while the GOPers just blither, bluster, and waste time?
The big problem I see is that Jerry Nadler (who I like - he used to be my Rep when I lived across town) isn’t the attack-dog prosecutor type Adam Schiff is. Not that I think Nadler is going to let the Repubs’ efforts to derail the process succeed, but in terms of setting the narrative and presenting the “case” to the public, the Judiciary “show” is likely to suffer from the “second-act doldrums”. And - unfortunately, but true - the media want a “show”. And it doesn’t (at least AFAICT) look like there is going to be a Marie Yovanovich or Fiona Hill in the wings.
The media and GOP both want a circus. The Dems want to treat this seriously.
OK, credit where due. Nadler is handling the parliamentary circus a little better now.
re: #38 i(m)p(each)sos
OK, credit where due. Nadler is handling the parliamentary circus a little better now.
he’ll just have everything tabled and move on
How many fucking times are they going to call the roll?
re: #40 I Would Prefer Not To
How many fucking times are they going to call the roll?
every time they table something the R’s will ask for a roll call vote to slow things down
What was accomplished by the roll call vote other than running down the clock?
Turley summarized: You’re just mad. What will happen if we impeach a president for soliciting foreign attacks on our elections? If that’s wrong, everything is wrong and nothing is right. Also, it’s unfair to impeach a president without obtaining information he withheld from you.
— Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) December 4, 2019
re: #43 jaunte
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The latter is absolutely mind boggling given his past statements on previous presidents.
re: #42 The Pie Overlord!
What was accomplished by the roll call vote other than running down the clock?
R’s make a motion
a D moves to table / delay
nadler calls a voice vote
then r’s ask for roll call vote to delay
it’s doing what they want but it’s not doing much - ie less than 5 minutes
The Democrats should have gotten Napolitano (?ps), the judge on Fox that says Trump should be impeached, to make comments.
re: #42 The Pie Overlord!
What was accomplished by the roll call vote other than running down the clock?
Probably was the goal in and of itself: the slower the hearing, the boringer; more boring = less “pizazz”; less pizazz = less airtime on the news, more time for the GOP to flog their hysterical outrage/deflection/witch-hunt/partisan/bullshit line to their lapdog media; no “bombshells” means MSM gets bored, tunes out, etc….
I mean, it’s a Presidential impeachment: it’s not going to vanish out of the news: but in the absence of any real defense, discouraging attention is likely considered as good a strategy as any.
Bad idea to ignore Turley. He’s obviously against impeachment, but make him answer “isn’t blocking witnesses and ignoring subpoenas obstruction of justice? “
— texas toni (@ToniinTexas) December 4, 2019
I hope they get to this.
We are getting free Civic lessons from our professors. Sadly, we who are listening, don’t need the lessons. The Republicans, though…
I think I will bake some chocolate chip cookies.
re: #50 The Pie Overlord!
I think I will bake some chocolate chip cookies.
Don’t you mean impeachchip cookies?
re: #50 The Pie Overlord!
I think I will bake some chocolate chip cookies.
chocolate impeachipment cookies?
Now I want to spend a year or two in Prof. Karlan’s classroom.
re: #50 The Pie Overlord!
I think I will bake some chocolate chip cookies.
Wife will be doing the same thing today. Next door neighbors daughter is having a birthday party this Saturday and she is going to make them for the kids. Of course I have to test them to make sure they are good enough for the little ones :-)
Evanston’s City Council took a step that may be a first in the nation — funding a reparations program for its own African Amercan residents. Starting next year, all tax revenue from recreational marijuana sales will go to a reparations fund until it reaches a $10 million cap. https://t.co/K2AbPyUGiE
— Sanho Tree (@SanhoTree) December 4, 2019
re: #57 wrenchwench
Now that’s a great idea right there.
re: #57 wrenchwench
Evanston’s City Council took a step that may be a first in the nation — funding a reparations program for its own African Amercan residents. Starting next year, all tax revenue from recreational marijuana sales will go to a reparations fund until it reaches a $10 million cap.
As somebody pointed out here, look at who we used to bust for selling pot compared to the people we now license to do so…
karlan: “announcement”
he wanted the announcement not the investigation
nailed it
Wow, here’s a metaphor for ya…
Meanwhile, as constitutional scholars testify that Trump should be impeached, fire alarms sound at the White House. pic.twitter.com/3sfCQfMnca
— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) December 4, 2019
(Refresh if you see the professor…)
So where do the Rs go with Turley at this point?
Triggered https://t.co/Wum4hU6JeQ
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) December 4, 2019
Professor Pamela S. Karlan is awesome at this job. Her analysis is sharp and clarifying.
Professor Noah Feldman is also very good.
The Judiciary Committee should have even more of experts testify in my opinion and if that’s possible.
re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
JFC.
What a soft skinned wimp. Takes his fucking ball and goes home just because someone said some mean things.
The Independent:
There’s a saying that almost every black person in America is familiar with: “You have to work two times harder, and be twice as good.”
This phrase has been passed down for generations from parents and grandparents to young black people. It’s not just an explanation; it’s a warning. America was built for white people, so if black people want something, it will be much harder.
This was certainly the case for senator Kamala Harris, from the moment she announced her plans to run for president in January 2019 on the Reverend Dr Martin Luther King Jr’s birthday.
*snip*
Tulsi Gabbard has been chided as a Republican “plant” for her consistent appearances on Fox News; Pete Buttigieg has been called out for not properly addressing a history of police brutality against black people in South Bend; Amy Klobuchar has a prosecutorial record that is arguably worse than Harris’s - and the list goes on. But none of these candidates faced such coordinated attacks. None of them had their very identities so consistently called into question.
re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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Glad we don’t don’t have a hysterical woman in that position.
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re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg
JFC.
What a soft skinned wimp. Takes his fucking ball and goes home just because someone said some mean things.
doesnt have the temperament to be an international politician / leader
re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
The Independent:
too many people did not want to see her succeed
Carried by acclamation:
I want a motion for Rep. Collins, Gaetz, Biggs, Jordan and Radcliffe to eat shit and go fuck themselves.
All in favor?— Tony Posnanski (@tonyposnanski) December 4, 2019
re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
too many people did not want to see her succeed
You could pretty much say the same about Hillary Clinton.
re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg
You could pretty much say the same about Hillary Clinton.
very much so, there was a critical mass of negative opinion that the media just ran with
This sounds like the mob rackets I used to prosecute. Equal protection under the law is not for sale Mr. AG. https://t.co/vgkaJZu9a5
— Mimi Rocah (@Mimirocah1) December 4, 2019
re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Carried by acclamation:
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The GOP reps on Judiciary is a murderer’s row of derp.
re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Trump calls Trudeau ‘two-faced’, cancels press conference and leaves Nato summit early after video of world leaders laughing at him https://t.co/m2KK5DIOef
— The Independent (@Independent) December 4, 2019
I had a (bad) feeling something like this might happen after I saw that clip of Trudeau, Macron and Johnson - somewhat un-diplomatically - chortling over Trump’s inane “presser”. I mean, I’m sure we Lizards all agree that The Donald is a incompetent Disgrace To The Nation - the problem is that having foreign leaders kinda openly agree (vs. the more-typical leaks/hints/off-the-record chat) is not, IMO, a good thing.
1. It allows Trump to appear like a victim - correctly for once: that it’s his own fault for being a loudmouthed boob is beside the point, and a line unlikely to be pushed in the media.
2. Like it or not, the asshole IS the POTUS: an insult to him reflects on all of us.
3. While we can make fun of The Orange Anus for being a big baby, now that he’s ticked off at NATO leaders, he’s likely to want to get back at them somehow. And that “how” is HUGELY unlikely to be good for the country and/or its international relationships.
re: #77 Jay C
3. While we can make fun of The Orange Anus for being a big baby, now that he’s ticked off at NATO leaders, he’s likely to want to get back at them somehow. And that “how” is HUGELY unlikely to be good for the country and/or its international relationships.
Yes, Hating NATO and the EU is going to become part of the doctrine for RWNJs
INCOMING!
I’ve been using the BotSentinel extension on Chrome (which identifies bots within a thread, and enables me to quickly run a bot search on individual accounts) to weed through some of the chaff. pic.twitter.com/xVL8rSzc9K
— Thank God for @WeAreOversight (@HalloweenBlogs) December 4, 2019
WATCH: “If what we are talking about is not impeachable, then nothing is impeachable,” Michael Gerhardt, a University of North Carolina law professor, tells the House Judiciary Committee. #ImpeachmentPBS
More: https://t.co/d8QlsERWMA pic.twitter.com/5btIrdYtUl— PBS NewsHour (@NewsHour) December 4, 2019
SCOOP: RUDY GIULIANI met Tuesday in Budapest with the fired Ukrainian prosecutor YURIY LUTSENKO, who pushed claims about the BIDENS, & Ukrainian involvement in ‘16.
Giuliani is in Kyiv right now trying to meet with other fired prosecutors, SHOKIN & KULYK. https://t.co/TOxjalxULo— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) December 4, 2019
MORE: RUDY GIULIANI also met in Budapest yesterday with the US ambassador to Hungary, DAVID CORNSTEIN, for “a private dinner.”
Cornstein has courted Hungary’s leader VIKTOR ORBAN, who in turn has provided fodder for TRUMP’s critical view of Ukraine. https://t.co/TOxjalxULo— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) December 4, 2019
The Democrats’ 3 witnesses testify that they believe POTUS committed these impeachable offenses https://t.co/RV8xJqi69e
— Alayna Treene (@alaynatreene) December 4, 2019
re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth
WATCH: “If what we are talking about is not impeachable, then nothing is impeachable,” Michael Gerhardt, a University of North Carolina law professor, tells the House Judiciary Committee.
The problem is that things will be selectively impeachable.
I cannot imagine a Democratic President being allowed to get away with such egregious conflicts of interest, violations of the Emoluments Clause, lying or obstruction of justice
re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Yes, Hating NATO and the EU is going to become part of the doctrine for RWNJs
It is straight up Bircherism. NATO has been a target since the day the JBS was founded, the EU since its own origin. It traces back in a straight line to America First and the pro-fascist isolationism of the pre-World War II era.
Rep. Steve Watkins, R-Kansas 2nd
UPDATE: Shawnee County DA says he is requesting sheriff’s office investigate voter fraud allegation against Watkins#ksleg https://t.co/G4hxTVuzn9
— Jonathan Shorman (@jonshorman) December 4, 2019
Shawnee County’s district attorney said Wednesday he will conduct a preliminary inquiry into whether a Kansas congressman voted illegally in Topeka’s city election last month.
The Topeka Capital-Journal reported Tuesday that Rep. Steve Watkins, R-Kansas, changed his voter registration in August to the address of a UPS store in Topeka. The address, located in Topeka’s 8th City Council District, was the one he used in November’s election when the winner of the council race was decided by just 13 votes.
The revelation immediately sparked calls for an investigation into whether the congressman had committed voter fraud, which Kansas has aggressively prosecuted in recent years.
They just burned out another shredder
— 𝘞𝘉 𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨 🍕🐀 (@FormerDirtDart) December 4, 2019
re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
It is straight up Bircherism. NATO has been a target since the day the JBS was founded, the EU since its own origin. It traces back in a straight line to America First and the pro-fascist isolationism of the pre-World War II era.
On the other hand, I fully understand why those leaders have given up all pretense of being diplomatic and are treating Trump the with all the disdain that he openly shows to Europe and NATO.
And it is most certainly a calculated move to really hurt him in his most vulnerable spot: the Ego
re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
It is straight up Bircherism. NATO has been a target since the day the JBS was founded, the EU since its own origin. It traces back in a straight line to America First and the pro-fascist isolationism of the pre-World War II era.
The Paleocons are running right wing foreign policy again. You’re absolutely right on the genesis of this. It’s a dangerous mindset that led to the World Wars. The Republican foreign policy of the 20’s was uninterested, indifferent, & even a little supportive to the growing fascist movements in Europe. Mussolini in particular was seen as good because he was anti Communist.
re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
On the other hand, I fully understand why those leaders have given up all pretense of being diplomatic and are treating Trump the with all the disdain that he openly shows to Europe and NATO.
And it is most certainly a calculated move to really hurt him in his most vulnerable spot: the Ego
He talks about putting terrorists in their countries, belittles their efforts on climate change and human rights, & takes the side of Putin.
I really worry we’re seeing a new movement of tribalism that will lead to something ugly. And I’m worried since I have one cousin in the USN and another about to the USMC. Plus I read a ton of history. Trump hasn’t read any history. He just thinks alliances should be like a mafia racket.
re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Carried by acclamation:
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We should call in John Oliver’s “Suck My Balls, Bob!” dance troupe.
re: #92 HappyWarrior
I really worry we’re seeing a new movement of tribalism that will lead to something ugly. And I’m worried since I have one cousin in the USN and another about to the USMC. Plus I read a ton of history. Trump hasn’t read any history. He just thinks alliances should be like a mafia racket.
His approach has always been just to screw ‘em, declare bankruptcy and walk away. That might work in business but it does not work in diplomacy.
This guy owes me a keyboard cleaning.
I’m unfamiliar with House rules, so can someone please answer this for me: When Professor Karlan’s testimony is over, is she required to return Doug Collins’s balls, or does he have to make a motion for that?
— Jon Zal (@OfficialJonZal) December 4, 2019
re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
His approach has always been just to screw ‘em, declare bankruptcy and walk away. That might work in business but it does not work in diplomacy.
And his successors are going to have to clean it up. One reason why I’m not completely sold on Warren is I’m not sure if she realizes how important this will be. Her domestic agenda, I’m more on board with but we have a lot of problems to fix. Some certainly are domestic but some are foreign too.
Okay. Now on to phase two. I turned off the stream because I don’t want to listen to 45 minutes of assholes breaking wind. Be especially responsible towards offering play-by-play, please.
Poor bastard nominated probably should have contributed more the the Inauguration Committee fund
//— 𝘞𝘉 𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨 🍕🐀 (@FormerDirtDart) December 4, 2019
re: #99 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
The Darfur genocide is still ongoing. Just saying.
Every president since NATO was founded understands that NATO was founded for mutual cooperation. Trump had he been around in 1947 would have attacked the Marshall Plan because Europe wasn’t immediately paying us enough. I mean screw Nixon the man but then Congressman Nixon had some foreign policy wisdom. Trump has no such wisdom. The few advisers he listens to would rather appease his ego than explain to him how international relations work. But really Trump has no business being President period.
Crap. Well there’s always tomorrow.
Standing down today due to upper altitude winds and high winds at sea creating dynamic conditions around the Of Course I Still Love You droneship – next launch opportunity is tomorrow at 12:29 p.m. EST, 17:29 UTC
— SpaceX (@SpaceX) December 4, 2019
re: #91 HappyWarrior
He talks about putting terrorists in their countries, belittles their efforts on climate change and human rights, & takes the side of Putin.
Putin’s the only one he doesn’t belittle.
I wonder why.
not really /
re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg
The Darfur genocide is still ongoing. Just saying.
Trump never met a genocide he didn’t like.
Collins claims this would be the most disputed impeachment on the facts.
Again, Mick Mulvaney confessed on TV.— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 4, 2019
Collins breaks from questioning to bitch abt the hearing room.
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 4, 2019
The nation is engulfed in a constitutional crisis, but Rep. Colins really wants to emphasize that his chair is uncomfortable and the room is cold. And, though he defends the Trump’s blanket refusal to produce records and witnesses, he feels he has been deprived of things.
— Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) December 4, 2019
No president is above the law #ImpeachmentHearing pic.twitter.com/zNl6xsLeQo
— Ann Telnaes (@AnnTelnaes) December 4, 2019
re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth
Collins seems awfully snowflakey.
I guess Sudan will be announcing an investigation of Elizabeth Warren’s son soon…
— WarUndPeace (@warundpeace) December 4, 2019
turley has used ‘dog’ twice
Turley concedes there was no bribery statute in 18th C. Original standard was treason and bribery. Mason objected too narrow.
Note: This actually helps Dem case.— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 4, 2019
Now, 5 minutes into his filibuster, Turley complains that Framers were worried about monetary bribery.
This seems to support a case for an emoluments impeachment.— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 4, 2019
Turley now disagreeing with Turley on two points.
1) That Trump’s bribery must be the crime of. bribery (which he argued against w/Clinton)
2) That Trump’s bribery doesn’t pass McDonnell. He ignores investigation.— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 4, 2019
I didn’t even know today is #NationalCookieDay. What a happy coincidence.
Chocolate Chip Cookies pic.twitter.com/fbFRue5vOa
— Cherry Pie Overlord (@Pie_Overlord) December 4, 2019
Turley is trying to claim that impeachable bribery (written into the Constitution before any statutory law existed) requires meeting the statutory elements. That’s just false.
— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) December 4, 2019
Prof. Turley says, “I don’t really have a dog in this fight,” CONTRADICTING his earlier statement about the attitude of his golden doodle.
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) December 4, 2019
re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth
Turley: as long as POTUS doersn’t literally, exactly say the exact words “quid pro quo” in a row you can’t convict.
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Fox News currently running with this headline:
Impeachment witness snaps at Doug Collins during hearing, tells him she’s ‘insulted’ by comments
nixon didnt withhold everything, hence obstruction
the fight was about i think 4 specific things
trump has blanket given zero dox and prohibited all testimony
re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth
I don’t really have a dog in this fight but this impeachment is a Hoax and Witch Hunt.
re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg
Fox News currently running with this headline:
Impeachment witness snaps at Doug Collins during hearing, tells him she’s ‘insulted’ by comments
Keep snapping.
I see a number of reporters have decided to take a break from their objectivity to tell us how boring these important hearings, or in Jake Tapper’s case, how dry Karlan was. If you’re bored, go do something else.
— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) December 4, 2019
It drives me crazy when reporters and politicians act like this is so complicated “average Americans” can’t follow it. It’s pretty simple and the only complicating factor is the propaganda machine with the goal of making the whole sordid affair seem like an innocent mistake.
— Schooley (@Rschooley) December 4, 2019
in the midst of all this:
thegreatpoolpondconversion - 191201 edition ————————————>
Oh, Prof. Turley says that a better example of bribery is France’s King Louie the 14th who bought off England’s King Charles II for a secret treaty.
Like Trump’s emoluments clause violations.
SCOTUS if you’re listening, deny all stays on the Trump taxes.#ImpeachmentHearings— Grant Stern (@grantstern) December 4, 2019
100% withholding 100% of dox and refusing to allow any witness to testify is not executive privilege
re: #121 jaunte
Ugh, not the pizzazz bullshit again…
clinton’s impeachment was ‘narrow’?????????????????????????
A Texas judge has temporarily halted the construction of a private wall along the US-Mexico border. Latest w/ @CNNValencia + @Geneva_Sands: https://t.co/ZOzmKdwsJi
— Priscilla Alvarez (@priscialva) December 4, 2019
re: #121 jaunte
[Media]These hearings have no ‘pizzazz’ except that mean old witness shouldn’t have ‘snapped’ at the honorable congresscritter.[/Media]
re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg
Newsertainment stars not entertained.
I cannot emphasis enough that Turley is literally just making things up right now. Claiming that impeaching on obstruction without waiting for the courts to weigh in is abuse, that’s literally just a thing he’s saying with no precedent or constitutional grounding whatsoever.
— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) December 4, 2019
Constitutional law is dry. It’s not meant to be entertainment. Fucking media.
re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth
Oh, Prof. Turley says that a better example of bribery is France’s King Louie the 14th who bought off England’s King Charles II for a secret treaty.
Oh, we’re sorry Prof GOP Turley for not having this exact example.
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Turley again claiming there is no crime here.
“If you prove a quid pro quo, you might have an impeachable offense.”
Gordon Sondland, who paid $1M to sidle up to a criminal, testified under oath there was a QPQ.— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 4, 2019
This is the same man on our TV today. Expert producers will do side by sides bc like dude is on tape saying lying about an affair is impeachable but trying to cheat in an election by bribing another country is not https://t.co/bTqmJEROsf
— Zerlina Maxwell (@ZerlinaMaxwell) December 4, 2019
TURLEY: “I’ve been friends with Bill Barr for a long time.” pic.twitter.com/9VMFAVvmzH
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) December 4, 2019
oh
Someone should really get Turley a copy of the Mueller Report, as he’s clearly not seen it.
— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) December 4, 2019
re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth
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I read. Well technically listened to it. There was enough there to continue investigating imo. Trump obstructed that too. It’s a fucking pattern.
As Turley suggests the threshold isn’t met for Trump, here is what he said in the Clinton proceedings about the problem with a “threshold test” for impeachment. pic.twitter.com/vqnfp1uSg4
— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) December 4, 2019
He has also written extensively in the Hill about the Steele Dossier and supposed Clinton collusion.
The Hill is such a disinformation rag. Maybe they can “review” these articles along with John Solomon’s.— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) December 4, 2019
Republicans are basically arguing that it’s fraud when people (especially black people) turn out and vote. https://t.co/5GKYqLTjVC
— John Aravosis🇺🇸 (@aravosis) December 4, 2019
re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Go stand all day on the floor of an assembly line doing piece work for 10 hours you fucking wimp. Or chip the slag off the floor around a blast furnace for 10 hours, your fucking whiny ass won’t be cold then.
re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth
Oh, are they ‘reviewing’ Solomon’s?
Career piece of shit George Zimmerman has filed a $100 Million lawsuit against Trayvon Martins parents.
re: #135 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
It’s the same tie.
re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg
Career piece of shit George Zimmerman has filed a $100 Million lawsuit against Trayvon Martins parents.
and his lawyer is Larry Klayman.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Turley says Obama refused to turn over documents in Fast and Furious pic.twitter.com/HqmbuxMEoP
— Sam Stein (@samstein) December 4, 2019
Build a record?! TRUMP CONFESSED. Didn’t Turley see the video? Or the video of Rudy confessing? Or the video of Mulvaney? Did he see the transcript? Did he see the evidence of the suspended military aid? Good lord, Turley’s hiding behind phony erudition to say moronic things.
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) December 4, 2019
re: #140 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
I went to watch some cartoons and this Turley idiot is blabbing. I immediately came here to LGF and had my suspicions verified. He’s a Trump toady.
so we’re going deep into the conspiracy theories now
Just a reminder that the White House regularly grants press credentials to this outlet. pic.twitter.com/NlpCVGIIU6
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) December 4, 2019
its ‘wafer thin’ because it was uncovered faster
WINNING ! ! !
Iran orders U.S. must pay $130 billion in damages after World Court rules against the Trump administration https://t.co/5o8Q4D63QT
— James LaPorta (@JimLaPorta) December 4, 2019
the dem counsel asked a lot of questions
this guy taylor is testifying
re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg
Career piece of shit George Zimmerman has filed a $100 Million lawsuit against Trayvon Martins parents.
Defamation, I assume?
re: #154 The Pie Overlord!
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re: #142 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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Yeah they’re citizens of your state and they vote too. What a shocker that treating them like people gets votes.
Turley wrote a piece for WaPo in 2014, declaring that it was a myth that an impeachable offense must involve a violation of criminal law:https://t.co/xjPfXuBDCQ pic.twitter.com/fuRknpPFWB
— Mark Strauss (@MarkDStrauss) December 4, 2019
“…Zimmerman is represented by Larry Klayman…”
George Zimmerman sues family of Trayvon Martin, publisher, prosecutors for $100 million https://t.co/VwTJUzNwjJ
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) December 4, 2019
Collins: I think we just put in the jury pool the founding fathers.
HAHAHAHA.
The Republican defense is to oppose strict constitutionalism.— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 4, 2019
re: #160 HappyWarrior
No word from Ben Shapiro about the Antisemitism of his allies.
Did you expect Ben Shapiro to stop kissing Rick Wiles’ ass?
re: #167 Joe Bacon 🌹
Did you expect Ben Shapiro to stop kissing Rick Wiles’ ass?
Ben Shapiro: RICK WILES IS TALKING ABOUT THOSE LEFTIST JINOS, WHO ARE NOT REAL JEWS, NOT ABOUT TEH ONLY REAL AUTHENTIC GENUINE JOO WHICH IS MEE1!!!11!!!
re: #161 HappyWarrior
Yeah they’re citizens of your state and they vote too. What a shocker that treating them like people gets votes.
I guess soon-to-be-former Gov. Bevin goes for the “Constitutional Originalist” - i.e. 18th-Century - notion of who should get the voting franchise: he’s probably conflating the notion of “public housing” with “lazy paupers living off the public dime”, and thus, unworthy of the right to vote. And of course, mainly Those People……
re: #168 The Pie Overlord!
Ben Shapiro: RICK WILES IS TALKING ABOUT THOSE LEFTIST JINOS, WHO ARE NOT REAL JEWS, NOT ABOUT TEH ONLY REAL AUTHENTIC GENUINE JOO WHICH IS MEE1!!!11!!!
I ought to post the Utah Outcasts ripping a dozen assholes into that antisemite but I’m too pissed off right now.
When you want a break from the real world of Russian agents and spies corrupting western governments, here’s the first trailer for No Time To Die, the 5th and last James Bond movie starring the greatest (so far) Bond, Daniel Craig. “This time around, Bond has retired from active service, and he starts off the trailer looking over a tranquil harbor, finally able to kick back and relax. Of course, this doesn’t last. Immediately, he’s summoned back by M (Ralph Fiennes) and Felix Leiter (Jeffrey Wright) for one last mission, whereupon he meets the new 007 (Lashana Lynch).”
These have been the single best run of Bond movies of them all and this looks like it will be a delicious cap to them.
I think I should go have a vesper martini tonight in anticipation. I can’t afford one, but I should :LOL:
re: #164 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
“…Zimmerman is represented by Larry Klayman…”
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I wonder if this has anything to do with why he’s bringing the case now:
The lead defendant in the suit is Sybrina Fulton, Martin’s mother who became a national figure in the wake of her son’s death as a campaign surrogate for Hillary Clinton and a national advocate for social justice and reducing gun deaths. She’s running for the District 1 seat on the Miami-Dade County Commission being vacated by a term-limited Barbara Jordan in the Miami Gardens area.
A little midday whimsy
No amount of Christmas lights could outshine this neighbor’s shade https://t.co/WaNkdWWfS3 pic.twitter.com/LYhdNttyX2
— New York Post (@nypost) December 4, 2019
turley really twisted himself into knots
he and the R’s are basically ignoring all the testimony and then saying “nothing to see here”
re: #174 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
turley really twisted himself into knots
he and the R’s are basically ignoring all the testimony and then saying “nothing to see here”
The only real significant thing from Turley’s testimony is even he is not trying to dispute that Trump’s actions were wrong. All he can offer (in the lamest fashion possible) is he doesn’t personally believe it rises to the level of impeachable.
re: #77 Jay C
1. It allows Trump to appear like a victim - correctly for once: that it’s his own fault for being a loudmouthed boob is beside the point, and a line unlikely to be pushed in the media.
Or like a child. I’m going with the latter. The coop in our meeting today took some jabbing in stride (she came on board right as some people left, and it just lined up in our meeting about correlating those two events) because she is an adult.
re: #171 William Lewis
Looks really good, loved the throwback references…and I really need a car with headlight guns like that.
re: #175 Targetpractice
Close enough for jazz.
WTAF
The baby bouncer Veronica Alvarez-Rodriguez bought was nowhere to be found in the box. Instead, inside was a Mossberg 715T semi-automatic rifle, along with a few rounds of ammunition, which weren’t for the rifle.https://t.co/haA1wWGnsE
— Stars and Stripes (@starsandstripes) December 4, 2019
re: #171 William Lewis
The opening scene in Casino Royale is the height of Daniel Craig’s power in the role.
Bond: “M doesn’t mind you earning a little money on the side, but she’d prefer it if you weren’t selling secrets.”
Dryden: “If M was so sure I was bent, she’d have sent a 00. Your file shows no kills, and it takes—”
Bond: “Two”
Dryden: “How did he die?”
Bond: “Your contact? Not well.”
Dryden: “Made you feel it, did he? You needn’t worry. The next one is—”
[Bond shoots Dryden]
Bond: “Yes. Considerably.”
re: #179 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
WTAF
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America, where we have so many fucking assault weapons people donate some to Goodwill.
re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Yes, Hating NATO and the EU is going to become part of the doctrine for RWNJs
Given Trump’s previous behaviors and statements wasn’t this already the case?
I wonder if the foreign leaders have decided that any sense of tact regarding Trump is not worth the effort at this point. There is no value in it since deferring to him just triggers further attempts by him to bully. His comments regarding them immediately turn to insults anyways when he is denied being given what he wants. And his word is meaningless anyways.
As for them now “insulting” the USA via this, this is sort of par to the above. And to a degree we have deserved their laughing at us since we elected Trump and our party system has continued to tolerate him despite his obvious and apparent corruption and incompetence for the job and tasks of representing the USA in the international community.
BREAKING: Trump admin. has formalized work requirements for recipients of food stamps, a move that will cause nearly 700,000 people to lose access to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). https://t.co/BHohfXewLS
— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 4, 2019
But aren’t the White House Christmas decorations nice?
re: #183 jaunte
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But aren’t the White House Christmas decorations nice?
As usual, the cruelty is the point. Make people desperate and they will more willingly accept whatever abusive relationship their employer imposes upon them because it’s the only way to avoid starvation/homelessness/debtor’s prison/etc.
re: #182 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Given Trump’s previous behaviors and statements wasn’t this already the case?
I wonder if the foreign leaders have decided that any sense of tact regarding Trump is not worth the effort at this point. There is no value in it since deferring to him just triggers further attempts by him to bully. His comments regarding them immediately turn to insults anyways when he is denied being given what he wants. And his word is meaningless anyways.
As for them now “insulting” the USA via this, this is sort of par to the above. And to a degree we have deserved their laughing at us since we elected Trump and our party system has continued to tolerate him despite his obvious and apparent corruption and incompetence for the job and tasks of representing the USA in the international community.
All hell will break loose. Donnie just found out he’s not a member of the World Leaders Good Old Boys Club. Just another repeat of the New York Society Club.
This isn’t a fucking reality show. https://t.co/EKQlN9jqwD
— texas toni (@ToniinTexas) December 4, 2019
The Thirsty Mr. Turley not only argued Clinton’s actions didn’t need to break any laws to be impeachable (he argues the opposite now) but a GW student at the time did a hoax showing Turley would respond to a tv producer but not a student who needed help https://t.co/JLfuOh8vr3 pic.twitter.com/GswjekIyxY
— Adam Serwer🍝 (@AdamSerwer) December 4, 2019
‘I thought it was a German shepherd or a husky,’ said man who hit, picked up coyotehttps://t.co/nNOoHdgQsm pic.twitter.com/0ddja1ebJd
— Nelly Gonzalez (@NellyonCBC) December 2, 2019
People are Laughing at you…….
— And the Wind Cries “I Want Nothing” (@DaveoutofAustin) December 4, 2019
re: #175 Targetpractice
The only real significant thing from Turley’s testimony is even he is not trying to dispute that Trump’s actions were wrong. All he can offer (in the lamest fashion possible) is he doesn’t personally believe it rises to the level of impeachable.
Right
But clintons heinous perjury was def grounds for removal!
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re: #183 jaunte
I started digging into this SNAP thing earlier because I had some time to kill.
One article I looked at noted that most of the people losing benefits are able bodied adults who could otherwise work except that in some cases, due to a lack of formal education, undiagnosed mental illness or simply general economic factors, they can either not find a steady job or not find one that offers enough hours to meet the requirements.
So you can in part blame our service economy that’s packed full of part-time, temporary and contract jobs for this.
re: #183 jaunte
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“We’re taking action to reform our SNAP program in order to restore the dignity of work to a sizable segment of our population and be respectful of the taxpayers who fund the program,” Perdue said.
There is no “dignity of work” for anyone who is not paid a living wage.
re: #193 Eclectic Cyborg
I started digging into this SNAP thing earlier because I had some time to kill.
One article I looked at noted that most of the people losing benefits are able bodied adults who could otherwise work except that in some cases, due to a lack of formal education, undiagnosed mental illness or simply general economic factors, they can either not find a steady job or not find one that offers enough hours to meet the requirements.
So you can in part blame our service economy that’s packed full of part-time, temporary and contract jobs for this.
A few years ago in NYC someone who made minimum wage could qualify for SNAP.
re: #192 jeffreyw
National Cookie Day? Not here, not today. It’s National Baked Wings Day!
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Why not both?
Wings for lunch and cookies for dessert. Booyah!
re: #186 Cheechako
All hell will break loose. Donnie just found out he’s not a member of the World Leaders Good Old Boys Club. Just another repeat of the New York Society Club.
Ayep. Winning the presidency was in part about finally getting that recognition, that acceptance that says he’d finally achieved something worth getting his foot in the door. People had to respect him because he was president, or else they’d get browbeaten for failing to “respect the office.”
Except nobody’s buying that horseshit, least of all the people he’s tried to gain acceptance from. The social circles back home still see him as a hack living off other people’s money, the leaders of the world either see him as a joke or as a patsy, and it’s becoming more obvious by the day that the Repubs despise him for what he’s doing to their political futures. The day he leaves the White House, whether willingly or in cuffs, the world will move with haste to do to his political legacy what Kruschev did to Stalin’s: Tear it down and salt the earth around it.
re: #182 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Given Trump’s previous behaviors and statements wasn’t this already the case?
I wonder if the foreign leaders have decided that any sense of tact regarding Trump is not worth the effort at this point. There is no value in it since deferring to him just triggers further attempts by him to bully. His comments regarding them immediately turn to insults anyways when he is denied being given what he wants. And his word is meaningless anyways.
As for them now “insulting” the USA via this, this is sort of par to the above. And to a degree we have deserved their laughing at us since we elected Trump and our party system has continued to tolerate him despite his obvious and apparent corruption and incompetence for the job and tasks of representing the USA in the international community.
They’re all going now we can have some fun
And do some proper business
re: #195 I Would Prefer Not To
A few years ago in NYC someone who made minimum wage could qualify for SNAP.
Yep, it’s black and white thinking: “These people are able bodied and able to work, they don’t need our help. If they can’t fucking find a steady job it’s their own damn fault!
The sheer gall of this crime family is amazing. https://t.co/5031jGX2ja
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 4, 2019
Given everything else we’ve seen so far, I’d say the rule changes to SNAP are more about goosing the numbers in a bald-faced effort to salvage Trump’s reelection chances. He’s a man who lives for “numbers” and the idea that 700K “left” the SNAP roles gets turned into an ad about how many he’s “put back to work.”
re: #196 Eclectic Cyborg
Why not both?
Wings for lunch and cookies for dessert. Booyah!
Your argument is sound. IBB!
re: #201 Targetpractice
Given everything else we’ve seen so far, I’d say the rule changes to SNAP are more about goosing the numbers in a bald-faced effort to salvage Trump’s reelection chances. He’s a man who lives for “numbers” and the idea that 700K “left” the SNAP roles gets turned into an ad about how many he’s “put back to work.”
It also completely ignores the fact that his boneheaded tarriffs are sending food costs up. Or that the minimum wage hasn’t increased in a decade or…well you get the idea.
And the revised rules still makes it easy for Walmart to underpay employees and simply give them information or advice about how to apply for assistance.
re: #197 Targetpractice
Ayep. Winning the presidency was in part about finally getting that recognition, that acceptance that says he’d finally achieved something worth getting his foot in the door. People had to respect him because he was president, or else they’d get browbeaten for failing to “respect the office.”
Except nobody’s buying that horseshit, least of all the people he’s tried to gain acceptance from. The social circles back home still see him as a hack living off other people’s money, the leaders of the world either see him as a joke or as a patsy, and it’s becoming more obvious by the day that the Repubs despise him for what he’s doing to their political futures. The day he leaves the White House, whether willingly or in cuffs, the world will move with haste to do to his political legacy what Kruschev did to Stalin’s: Tear it down and salt the earth around it.
+1
re: #164 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
“…Zimmerman is represented by Larry Klayman…”
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We live in the absolute worst fucking timeline. This piece of shit keeps getting to shoot his shot (dark pun absolutely intended), Trayvon is still dead, and we have the fucking AG of the country with rhetoric that absolutely endorses the Zimmermans and Pantaleos of the country.
I hate everything about today right now.
EDIT: Also, it doesn’t necessarily matter if Zimmerman’s suit is bunk and DOA. The point is likely to force them to defend and bleed legal fees which, in our grand country’s wisdom, they won’t necessarily get back even if they win the case.
re: #201 Targetpractice
Given everything else we’ve seen so far, I’d say the rule changes to SNAP are more about goosing the numbers in a bald-faced effort to salvage Trump’s reelection chances. He’s a man who lives for “numbers” and the idea that 700K “left” the SNAP roles gets turned into an ad about how many he’s “put back to work.”
So there’s 700k unfilled jobs out there waiting for snap beneficiaries? //
re: #183 jaunte
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Par for the course. Clump of cells must be “saved” at all costs. Born children, fuck ‘em.
re: #187 jaunte
texas toni
@ToniinTexasThis isn’t a fucking reality show.
She may be right - but the only problem is that the entire Republican bloc in the House (and probably the Senate as well) has signed on to the idea that the whole impeachment process is just precisely that: and that - given that there is little factual or legal defense for Trump’s actions - are going to be working the “audience” (mainly the MSM) with every PR trick they can muster to try to move the “ratings” as best they can.
The c-span video feed is playing in the corner of the screen and since the impeachment hearings are on recess they have some interview with POS45 in which he is spewing all his usual Twitter insults.
Turley being there allows Fox to have this chyron: “GOP witness says there’s not enough known, but Dem witness say Trump abused power.”
re: #209 Jay C
She may be right - but the only problem is that the entire Republican bloc in the House (and probably the Senate as well) has signed on to the idea that the whole impeachment process is just precisely that: and that - given that there is little factual or legal defense for Trump’s actions - are going to be working the “audience” (mainly the MSM) with every PR trick they can muster to try to move the “ratings” as best they can.
That’s what they tried for the last hearings. Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
IMAX in Outer Space… SPACE… SPAAAAAAACE!!!!
Devin Nunes accuses Democrats of promoting “conspiracy theories” https://t.co/iZwdfgBILM pic.twitter.com/bo7TyRdu32
— The Hill (@thehill) December 4, 2019
re: #193 Eclectic Cyborg
I started digging into this SNAP thing earlier because I had some time to kill.
One article I looked at noted that most of the people losing benefits are able bodied adults who could otherwise work except that in some cases, due to a lack of formal education, undiagnosed mental illness or simply general economic factors, they can either not find a steady job or not find one that offers enough hours to meet the requirements.
So you can in part blame our service economy that’s packed full of part-time, temporary and contract jobs for this.
To my understanding the main change was in determining under what circumstances the work requirement can be waived. The current rule says that if unemployment in your area is more than 20% greater than the national average then the work requirement can be waived. So currently with unemployment at 3.7% that means if you live somewhere with unemployment over 4.4% or so you are eligible for waivers. The change says that you are eligible for waivers if unemployment in your area goes over 6%.
In the short term it means a number of people will lose benefits, but in the long run, this means during a downturn a lot more people could be eligible for SNAP benefits. Unless of course they change the rule back during the next recession because too many people qualify, which I wouldn’t put past them.
re: #214 BigPapa
The CSPAN callers are… we’re fucked.
It’s not even 4pm on the East Coast. Don’t these morons have jobs?
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If you keep saying the opposite of what you used to say, everyone will agree with you on something. https://t.co/fR7n3hpfpI
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) December 4, 2019
re: #218 Citizen K
Whoo boy. Do I want to know?
People that call CSPAN have a lot of time on their hands.
re: #212 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!
That’s what they tried for the last hearings. Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
They weren’t quite as desperate then: Schiff and the HPSCI pretty much (IMO) masterfully wrong-footed and flummoxed the GOP, and seized the whole narrative for the media. We’ll have to wait and see, but other than more histrionics - and nitpicky “analyses” like Prof. Turley’s they probably don’t have much left.
But I can pretty much guarantee that Fox and the rest of the RWNM are going to be going full lights-and-sirens on the “Turley destroyed the Democrats’ case!!!!” tack (see #190) for tonight’s news (complete with the usual out-of-context citations, head-nodding concurrences from the talking-heads, and brilliant “analysis” from the likes of Jeanine Pirro), and try to blare COMPLETE EXONERATION!!11!!1! at every opportunity.
re: #218 Citizen K
Whoo boy. Do I want to know?
‘I’ve been lifelong Democrat but know I’m going vote Trump’
‘I’ve not seen any evidence Trump’s done anything wrong, he’s been the best President ever.’
The caller claims to be a “Lifelong Democrat” yeah and I am 6’ tall, 120 lbs with long blonde hair and a 36C.
re: #214 BigPapa
The CSPAN callers are… we’re fucked.
..not representative
Any more than Limbaugh’s are
re: #216 Targetpractice
It’s not even 4pm on the East Coast. Don’t these morons have jobs?
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It’s past working hours over in Russia.
Something occurred to me after I read the Zimmerman story and I had to read it again. He is actually alleging that the parties he’s suing knowingly engaged in a conspiracy to destroy him by soliciting/suborning perjury. In other words, according to Zim (really some hack “director”), he has evidence of real crimes that were committed, yet he is choosing to launch a civil tort instead. I’m not sure the judge who draws the short straw on this case is gonna be able to hold back his incredulity.
re: #220 Jay C
They weren’t quite as desperate then: Schiff and the HPSCI pretty much (IMO) masterfully wrong-footed and flummoxed the GOP, and seized the whole narrative for the media. We’ll have to wait and see, but other than more histrionics - and nitpicky “analyses” like Prof. Turley’s they probably don’t have much left.
But I can pretty much guarantee that Fox and the rest of the RWNM are going to be going full lights-and-sirens on the “Turley destroyed the Democrats’ case!!!!” tack (see #190) for tonight’s news (complete with the usual out-of-context citations, head-nodding concurrences from the talking-heads, and brilliant “analysis” from the likes of Jeanine Pirro), and try to blare COMPLETE EXONERATION!!11!!1! at every opportunity.
I’ll wait for the dvd
re: #222 The Pie Overlord!
The caller claims to be a “Lifelong Democrat” yeah and I am 6’ tall, 120 lbs with long blonde hair and a 36C.
Do you like children and a quiet day in the park?
re: #222 The Pie Overlord!
The caller claims to be a “Lifelong Democrat” yeah and I am 6’ tall, 120 lbs with long blonde hair and a 36C.
Mrs dm, that you?
re: #221 BigPapa
‘I’ve been lifelong Democrat but know I’m going vote Trump’
‘I’ve not seen any evidence Trump’s done anything wrong, he’s been the best President ever.’
re: #223 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
..not representative
Any more than Limbaugh’s are
The problem isn’t necessarily that they’re representative or that we’ll take them as representative.
It’s that if the great arbiters of objectivity decide to take them as representative and have that exact attitude color all their coverage.
re: #222 The Pie Overlord!
The caller claims to be a “Lifelong Democrat” yeah and I am 6’ tall, 120 lbs with long blonde hair and a 36C.
So you’re practically emaciated, then?
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The explanation for why he’s got Larry Klayman seems pretty obvious: Nobody with half a brain would have taken this case, certainly not when it looks like Georgie is dirt poor and so unable to afford to finance the sort of work it’s gonna take to prove this grand “conspiracy” against him.
re: #231 Targetpractice
The explanation for why he’s got Larry Klayman seems pretty obvious: Nobody with half a brain would have taken this case, certainly not when it looks like Georgie is dirt poor and so unable to afford to finance the sort of work it’s gonna take to prove this grand “conspiracy” against him.
It’s a convenient way for Klayman to get his name in the news again.
I don’t speak for Kamala so allow me to speak for Kamala when I say go fuck yourself.
— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) December 3, 2019
re: #220 Jay C
They weren’t quite as desperate then: Schiff and the HPSCI pretty much (IMO) masterfully wrong-footed and flummoxed the GOP, and seized the whole narrative for the media. We’ll have to wait and see, but other than more histrionics - and nitpicky “analyses” like Prof. Turley’s they probably don’t have much left.
But I can pretty much guarantee that Fox and the rest of the RWNM are going to be going full lights-and-sirens on the “Turley destroyed the Democrats’ case!!!!” tack (see #190) for tonight’s news (complete with the usual out-of-context citations, head-nodding concurrences from the talking-heads, and brilliant “analysis” from the likes of Jeanine Pirro), and try to blare COMPLETE EXONERATION!!11!!1! at every opportunity.
You can bet Pirro won’t have Napolitano on tonight.
Fox News’ Judge Napolitano crushes Turley: “The House has sole power of impeachment. It does not need to go to a court… When the president receives a subpoena, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo receive a subpoena and they throw it in a drawer… that is the act of obstruction.” pic.twitter.com/WjoKgkvImS
— Jesse Lee (@JesseCharlesLee) December 4, 2019
re: #234 NO SMOCKING GUN!
You can bet Pirro won’t have Napolitano on tonight.
I think Democrats should have called him.
oh, honey https://t.co/ExFeGzhrFe
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) December 4, 2019
re: #201 Targetpractice
Given everything else we’ve seen so far, I’d say the rule changes to SNAP are more about goosing the numbers in a bald-faced effort to salvage Trump’s reelection chances. He’s a man who lives for “numbers” and the idea that 700K “left” the SNAP roles gets turned into an ad about how many he’s “put back to work.”
Without those pesky images of the tiny caskets being lowered into the ground.
re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg
It’s
a convenientthe only way for Klayman to get his name in the news again.
re: #238 Eclectic Cyborg
Fox News has a story up about the GOP candidate that said Omar should be hanged and the comments are…about what you’d expect:
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Fine Christians all…
Or if the president decided just to go on vacation indefinitely and conduct no official business, to the detriment of the nation.
The parliamentary history of “high crimes or misdemeanors” makes clear it covers non-criminal breaches of official duties. https://t.co/lHW2qFZYwP— George Conway (@gtconway3d) December 4, 2019
THE END IS NIGH !
Willie Nelson has quit smoking weed https://t.co/JkFtcE3WwQ pic.twitter.com/Wv2pFOlCFW
— New York Post (@nypost) December 4, 2019
re: #241 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
That is a great example.
re: #241 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
…or summarily stonewalling congress by withholding all document requests and prohibiting anyone subpoenaed from testifying, tying it up in courts in hopes to run out the clock
how many times have his various tax return related cases gone against him, at all levels? i believe it’s every single one so far.
Or if the president decided just to go on vacation indefinitely and conduct no official business, to the detriment of the nation.
The parliamentary history of “high crimes or misdemeanors” makes clear it covers non-criminal breaches of official duties. https://t.co/lHW2qFZYwP— George Conway (@gtconway3d) December 4, 2019
re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
THE END IS NIGH !
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Hey, the world survived Keith getting off the sauce, I think we can survive this. Now, if you’ll excuse me, there’s four guys on horseback knocking at my front door…
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re: #241 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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Turley’s own history makes it clear that impeachment covers non-criminal acts.
Faux previewing tonight’s talking point:
White House, GOP cite evidence of Democrat law prof witnesses’ past anti-Trump bias
Nothing about the GOP witness’ past as a total hack for hire.
KARLAN: If I can say one last thing about the interests of the United States: The Constitution of the United States does not care whether the next president of the United States is Donald J. Trump or any one of the Democrats or anybody running on a third party. The Constitution is indifferent to that. What the Constitution cares about is that we have free elections. And so, it is only in the president’s interest, it’s not the national interest that a particular president be elected or be defeated at the next election. The Constitution is indifferent to that.
Oh, and by the way? Prof. Jonathan Turley? Here he is at The Hill, pushing the Hunter Biden conspiracy theory.
Seems relevant.https://t.co/HWkmZnRlFK— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 4, 2019
And not only once. Here’s Turley a few days later, pushing the conspiracy theory again.https://t.co/S0vAlFoIbD
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 4, 2019
re: #247 Mike Lamb
Turley’s own history makes it clear that impeachment covers non-criminal acts.
Yeah, but…
that was then, this is now!
To me, it seems seemed odd that the GOP’s first “expert witness” before the HJC would be a law professor whose “analysis” regarding Presidential impeachment would basically contradict virtually every opinion he had had on the subject for the past twenty years.
But then, as I opined above, it’s likely Turley was just there to generate on-the-record soundbites to be cherry-picked and mis-applied by RW “news” media; so contradictions are expected to go unmentioned (SPOILER: they probably won’t).
BREAKING: Trump admin. has formalized work requirements for recipients of food stamps, a move that will cause nearly 700,000 people to lose access to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). https://t.co/BHohfXewLS
— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 4, 2019
I’m absolutely done with today.
Just…fuck everything.
re: #251 Charles Johnson
All of these guys have such punchable faces.
re: #77 Jay C
Like it or not, the asshole IS the POTUS: an insult to him reflects on all of us.
Well, you know, as not one of you, if you feel like that, the insult is meant.
You feel hurt when we insult him? Feel it baby, it’s for you too.
While we can make fun of The Orange Anus for being a big baby, now that he’s ticked off at NATO leaders, he’s likely to want to get back at them somehow. And that “how” is HUGELY unlikely to be good for the country and/or its international relationships.
Don’t get it. You thought electing that thing would be or should be without consequence?
re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
THE END IS NIGH !
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
So
Much
Ears— 𝘞𝘉 𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨 🍕🐀 (@FormerDirtDart) December 4, 2019
re: #251 Charles Johnson
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The media has an entire catalogue of such articles to pull from, but I don’t imagine we’re going to hear about any of them except perhaps in passing. The corporate media has been desperate for any angle to this story that might in some way shore up the defenses around Trump and getting Turley out there as the “lone expert against impeachment” will be the way forward for them.
re: #258 Targetpractice
The media has an entire catalogue of such articles to pull from, but I don’t imagine we’re going to hear about any of them except perhaps in passing. The corporate media has been desperate for any angle to this story that might in some way shore up the defenses around Trump and getting Turley out there as the “lone expert against impeachment” will be the way forward for them.
like the “lone scientist who rejects climate change”
GOHMERT! https://t.co/dHbgXCxaWY pic.twitter.com/4mtXRM1YtI
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 4, 2019
UPDATE: Fmr. President Carter discharged from the hospital after being treated for a urinary tract infection, spokesperson says: “He said he looks forward to further rest and recovery at home in Plains, Georgia. He and Mrs. Carter wish everyone peace and joy this holiday season.”
— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) December 4, 2019
louie: media reports and books are not evidence
re: #262 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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re: #263 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
louie: media reports and books are not evidence
History tells you nothing about the past.
Holy shit I walk in the house and asparagus aficionado Gohmert is on.
re: #262 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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Urinary tract. Jimmah has been told repeatedly not to use his dick as a nail driver. It violates Habitat safety regs.
re: #264 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
i’ve spent since tuesday before thanksgiving fighting a uti myself
I used to be proud of running around in shorts from April to October until I went out one sunny spring morning when the air was still too chilly…
Rep. Steve Chabot warns against going through with a “party-line impeachment”
“There’s no doubt it will be perceived by at least half of the American people as an unfair and partisan effort” https://t.co/5Pgb8iGzpR pic.twitter.com/v95OkAv2vH— CBS News (@CBSNews) December 4, 2019
Reminder that if all Republicans stand athwart the law, it’s somehow bad news for Dems and shows that Dems are the ones that don’t respect the law, because otherwise, they’d have had some GOPers vote with them.
The inherent privileging of GOP as the only true model of governance and rule, and treatment of Dems as inherently illegitimate, requiring the grace and blessing of brilliant Republicans to validate them or else they prove how illegitimate they are.
I…f.ffffffffffffffffffff—————
Far less than half of voters voted for Trump in the first place, and based on overall Congressional votes cast, far fewer people voted for the GOP. We just have a system that is currently stacked in their favor and has given them an electoral majority in the Senate and the EC.
re: #270 Citizen K
Reminder that if all Republicans stand athwart the law, it’s somehow bad news for Dems and shows that Dems are the ones that don’t respect the law, because otherwise, they’d have had some GOPers vote with them.
The inherent privileging of GOP as the only true model of governance and rule, and treatment of Dems as inherently illegitimate, requiring the grace and blessing of brilliant Republicans to validate them or else they prove how illegitimate they are.
I…f.ffffffffffffffffffff—————
It will be seen by a third of Americans that way.
Gohmert never stopped babbling about conspiracy theories for his whole time. No questions, just incoherent right wing word salad. https://t.co/dHbgXCxaWY pic.twitter.com/gwRdSkNh53
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 4, 2019
Undettered
At _very_ moment Congress is conducting impeachment inquiry.
This NYT Scoop: Giuliani is continuing to seek foreign interference to smear Trump’s political opponents
On Tues: met Lutsenko in Budapest
On Weds: meeting with Shokin and Kulykhttps://t.co/ZRPBR6gtMJ— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) December 4, 2019
re: #270 Citizen K
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Reminder that if all Republicans stand athwart the law, it’s somehow bad news for Dems and shows that Dems are the ones that don’t respect the law, because otherwise, they’d have had some GOPers vote with them.
The inherent privileging of GOP as the only true model of governance and rule, and treatment of Dems as inherently illegitimate, requiring the grace and blessing of brilliant Republicans to validate them or else they prove how illegitimate they are.
I…f.ffffffffffffffffffff—————
Everyone must bow to the God of Both Sides. It is wholly irrelevant what objective reality dictates.
re: #272 Belafon
It will be seen by a third of Americans that way.
We’ll be lucky if it’s just a third.
chocolate chip coconut peanut butter walnut oatmeal cookies pic.twitter.com/PCizfiKqG0
— jeffreyw (@imjeffreyw) December 4, 2019
I’ve had it up to here with the endless GOP hypocrisy on every point imaginable, coupled with the insistence by 95+% of the mainstream media on the Great Both-Siderist Lie.
The Republican party is an evil organization rapidly perfecting its version of fascism, and is utterly without redeeming value. Anyone who votes GOP in a contested general election is a pig-person supporting the party of hate, bigotry, willful stupidity and tax cuts only for the rich.
It’s about damn time the media started reporting on this 800 lb gorilla in the room.
Today’s both-siderists, if sent back in time to Weimar Germany, would clearly only deplore street violence done by the communists. Hitler and the Nazis would get a pass on everything.
Rep Hank Johnson. I love the way he speaks and questions he asks.
re: #168 The Pie Overlord!
Ben Shapiro hates Jews. He is an antisemite.
jordan pissed that the dems ‘predetermined’ the process
interesting about all those senators who already telegraphed their vote
re: #281 John Hughes
Ben Shapiro hates Jews. He is an antisemite.
Ben Shapiro is a 21st century version of a Jewish Nazi.
re: #282 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
jordan pissed that the dems ‘predetermined’ the process
Well, the Constitution allows them to do that.
re: #282 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
jordan pissed that the dems ‘predetermined’ the process
interesting about all those senators who already telegraphed their vote
Evidence supporting the thesis that Trump should be impeached: overwhelming
Evidence against the thesis that Trump should be impeached: nonexistent
That’s the exact opposite of a predetermined conclusion. Republicans just don’t like where the evidence leads to when their beloved Satan’s Anus president is a serial crook and liar who is too stupid to keep his criminality within the normal bounds for Republicans.
re: #179 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
along with a few rounds of ammunition, which weren’t for the rifle.
Well what fucking use is that going to be in a baby shower? Not even the right caliber?
Meanwhile some gun nut is freaked out hen he opens his package.
.@Jim_Jordan used to yell, “No quid pro quo!”
Now he yells, “No quid pro quo on the transcript.”
On the transcript? Which isn’t a transcript.
By the way, Trump’s pointman, Amb. Gordon Sondland, said, “Was there a quid pro quo?…[T]he answer is yes.”#ImpeachmentHearings— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) December 4, 2019
The long and short of it:
Dems: “You’ve seen the evidence against Trump. Is he guilty?”
Witness #1: “Yes, he’s guilty.”
Witness #2: “Yes, he’s guilty. Also, fuck you Collins.”
Witness #3: “Yes, he’s guilty.”
Turley: “Ya’ll are just angry at him! Also, I’m totally unbiased, which is why I think Congress has to meet a totally unconstitutional and ridiculous standard to impeach him.”
GOP: “THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS MOVING TOO FAST FOR SOMETHING WE’VE GRIPED HAS BEEN 3 YEARS IN THE MAKING! ALSO, THE DEM WITNESSES ARE TOTALLY BIASED!”
Was that a clip of Gohmert Pyle…or a scene from Half-Baked?????
re: #287 BigPapa
Good idea. What an asshole.
Looking the other way to enable sexual predators, like Jordan did, is such a GOP resume item for high political office.
I mean, sure Lincoln freed the slaves AND saved the country from dissolution, but did you see the size of that tax cut for corporate America Trump signed?
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) December 4, 2019
re: #293 NO SMOCKING GUN!
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Merely reciting what their Pulpit Pimp preached last Sunday…
re: #182 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
I wonder if the foreign leaders have decided that any sense of tact regarding Trump is not worth the effort at this point. There is no value in it since deferring to him just triggers further attempts by him to bully. His comments regarding them immediately turn to insults anyways when he is denied being given what he wants. And his word is meaningless anyways.
Historically no leader of an American ally was nice to the US president because there was “value” in it. A friend is a friend. There is no point in being “nice” to Trump because he is not a friend, and there is little downside because he is an idiot and a coward.
(This from the point of view of European countries with solid alliances, the calculus is much harder for places like Ukraine, the 3rd world and so on).
re: #277 jeffreyw
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re: #295 John Hughes
Historically no leader of an American ally was nice to the US president because there was “value” in it. A friend is a friend. There is no point in being “nice” to Trump because he is not a friend, and there is little downside because he is an idiot and a coward.
He really expects them to sit idly by while he makes comments about how the EU and NATO exist only to take advantage of the USA…
re: #296 William Lewis
Seems awfully complicated when all anyone needs is oatmeal-raisin :D
There would have been raisins but the was no room left in the bowl. Perfect Christmas cookie.
re: #189 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
My mum was hiking through the forests of Romania with her sister and saw a very good looking dog following them. They lost sight of the dog and kept on. From time to time over the next few hours they saw the dog in the distance, always following.
Eventually they arrived at the inn they were staying at that night and talked to the innkeeper about that they had seen. The truth soon became obvious — they had been followed by a wolf all day.
True story.
Ratcliffe is speechifying, but now claiming there’s a moving target, bc he’s too dumb to understand that extortion, bribery, and quid pro quo are the same.
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 4, 2019
if the R’s were right in this thinking, anything any lawyer said talking to the press outside a courtroom would have to be included as part of the official record
Turley complaining that this is just a circumstantial case because we’re not hearing from fact witnesses. Those would be the fact witnesses who are refusing to cooperate with the investigation. https://t.co/dHbgXCxaWY pic.twitter.com/EEda45re4a
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 4, 2019
re: #293 NO SMOCKING GUN!
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re: #302 Charles Johnson
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The Repubs think this is going to bolster their defense, but really all it’s doing is help chip away at it. Besides the reality that cases are tried on circumstantial evidence every day in America, the fact that the WH continues to prevent fact witnesses from testifying before Congress only provides further evidence to support an Obstruction of Congress article.
re: #302 Charles Johnson
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re: #303 HappyWarrior
Lincoln also signed the Homestead Act and the funding for the Transcontinental Railroad. Abe got more done sleeping than Trump has. Trump hasn’t done shit. He got the tax cuts via Ryan and the two SCOTUS judges via Mitch.
It is a matter of belief: Right now, Trump, Reagan and Lincoln are considered by the True Believers to be the three greatest Presidents (in that order)
re: #304 Targetpractice
The Repubs think this is going to bolster their defense, but really all it’s doing is help chip away at it. Besides the reality that cases are tried on circumstantial evidence every day in America, the fact that the WH continues to prevent fact witnesses from testifying before Congress only provides further evidence to support an Obstruction of Congress article.
Whole lotta side-eye goin’ on. https://t.co/dHbgXCxaWY pic.twitter.com/cZ3G5DMs2T
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 4, 2019
Bottom line—Turley believes Republicans are above the law.
ms roby: you want transparency and openness?
talk to the white house
Turley argues Trump shouldn’t be impeached because the House hasn’t heard from witnesses who’ve refused to testify in concert with Trump’s obstruction of the inquiry. This isn’t a constitutional argument, it’s a roadmap for corrupt presidents to nullify the impeachment power. https://t.co/RiocDqpwm0
— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) December 4, 2019
‘process’ includes the WH complying with congressional subpoenas
re: #304 Targetpractice
The Repubs think this is going to bolster their defense, but really all it’s doing is help chip away at it. Besides the reality that cases are tried on circumstantial evidence every day in America, the fact that the WH continues to prevent fact witnesses from testifying before Congress only provides further evidence to support an Obstruction of Congress article.
Beyond a reasonable doubt is for convictions. You have much wider waters for indictment. I see Turley is pals with Barr and an advocate for “non intervention” FP so this to me explains why he’s being obtuse.
re: #274 Dread Pirate
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Rudy and The Donald appear to be pretty confident that they have all this stuff beat and that it’s going to continue to be (mafia) business as usual.
Bleh. And the continued flagellation of Kamala as well as her supporters seems to continue unabated. Apparently the fact that we haven’t repented by immediately crucifying her for being the false prophet they always knew her as means we’re monsters as well, and anti-black racists just like she was.
Again, I’m seeing the immediate Hillary parallels where it’s not enough that she failed, it’s not enough that the haters get to say ‘I told you so’ in their minds. They need a pound of flesh, they need penance from their adversaries and for them to not only suffer, but to be held up as examples in the town square, beaten and wailing repentance and mercy. They didn’t want her to just not win, they want her obliterated and held up as an example of anyone that crosses their “righteous” cause.
And they’re getting rewarded for it.
re: #306 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
It is a matter of belief: Right now, Trump, Reagan and Lincoln are considered by the True Believers to be the three greatest Presidents (in that order)
What are you talking about? They hate Lincoln. Some of them use Lincoln to claim they can’t be racist but actual rank and file conservatives despise Lincoln.
re: #316 HappyWarrior
What are you talking about? They hate Lincoln. Some of them use Lincoln to claim they can’t be racist but actual rank and file conservatives despise Lincoln.
they need to nod to Lincoln so they can then point out that Democrats were the KKK slaveholding party
Indeed. Though Turley’s job today was to create the impression that there were constitutional questions here over which reasonable minds could disagree. And while he embarrassed himself before his profession in the process, he gave the sound bites the GOP needed. https://t.co/8MgGUgAHDd
— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) December 4, 2019
re: #315 Citizen K
Bleh. And the continued flagellation of Kamala as well as her supporters seems to continue unabated. Apparently the fact that we haven’t repented by immediately crucifying her for being the false prophet they always knew her as means we’re monsters as well, and anti-black racists just like she was.
Again, I’m seeing the immediate Hillary parallels where it’s not enough that she failed, it’s not enough that the haters get to say ‘I told you so’ in their minds. They need a pound of flesh, they need penance from their adversaries and for them to not only suffer, but to be held up as examples in the town square, beaten and wailing repentance and mercy. They didn’t want her to just not win, they want her obliterated and held up as an example of anyone that crosses their “righteous” cause.
And they’re getting rewarded for it.
One of my libertarian acquaintances was huffing at the piece calling out the racism. He flat out doesn’t want to acknowledge that Harris’s past as a prosecutor used to attack her was crap. No one in the Libertarian movement faulted Bill Weld for being a “cop” (former US Attorney.)
re: #314 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Rudy and The Donald appear to be pretty confident that they have all this stuff beat and that it’s going to continue to be (mafia) business as usual.
IMO, everything depends on whether or not the wall of Omertà surrounding Trump’s (alleged) money gets breached before the Ukraine articles of impeachment go to the Senate.
If yes, all bets are off.
If no, Senate Republicans will enable their crime-lord, and we’ll have to hope to exact retribution in the undoubtedly tainted 2020 election.
re: #317 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
they need to nod to Lincoln so they can then point out that Democrats were the KKK slaveholding party
They never claim him as a great president the way they do Reagan and now Trump. They just use him being a Republican.
re: #316 HappyWarrior
What are you talking about? They hate Lincoln. Some of them use Lincoln to claim they can’t be racist but actual rank and file conservatives despise Lincoln.
I expect Lincoln (D) to make its way into right wing reality shortly.
re: #319 HappyWarrior
One of my libertarian acquaintances was huffing at the piece calling out the racism. He flat out doesn’t want to acknowledge that Harris’s past as a prosecutor used to attack her was crap. No one in the Libertarian movement faulted Bill Weld for being a “cop” (former US Attorney.)
And we’re getting folks calling out Harris supporters for being indignant and defensive, and not showing grace too. You know, at the exact same time people are still clubbing the still-warm body of her campaign and wanting to chase her out of politics altogether apparently.
re: #318 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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I have doubts that this is going to, as was remarked upthread, “move the needle” in their favor. The Dems have three witnesses who’ve provided plenty of soundbites to support their side. And any news agency that chooses to expend the time can put Turley’s soundbites next to those from the Clinton impeachment to totally neuter his “authority.”
re: #322 EPR-radar
I expect Lincoln (D) to make its way into right wing reality shortly.
I mean it’s not new. It’s become more of a thing as the party is filled by the descendants of CSA men. Teddy Roosevelt is another past GOP President that has lost favor among the GOP base in recent years. There’s a reason why CCJ wrote an adoring biography of Coolidge.
Turley has a decent reputation, I guess, as a legal scholar. But he’s throwing that away today. Or he would be throwing it away, if people like him were ever held accountable.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 4, 2019
The number of flat-out dumbasses among Congressional Republicans really is impressive.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 4, 2019
By the way, this Turley dipshit badly needs to disappear up his own asshole.
He defended the Clinton impeachment, which resulted from years of GOP witch hunting finding absolutely nothing except a lie Bill Clinton told under oath about something that was none of Starr’s business.
Now Turley has the gall to bleat about how ‘suddenly’ we have this impeachment of Trump, and why not earlier presented?
Total hypocrite.
re: #327 Charles Johnson
A veritable All-Star Team of numbskullery.
re: #324 Targetpractice
I have doubts that this is going to, as was remarked upthread, “move the needle” in their favor. The Dems have three witnesses who’ve provided plenty of soundbites to support their side. And any news agency that chooses to expend the time can put Turley’s soundbites next to those from the Clinton impeachment to totally neuter his “authority.”
I feel pretty good about this. Honestly I think most people know where they stand on this one way or the other but what the other three professors did today was to show the rationale for impeachment. Turley is rightfully going to be asked why his rhetoric Clinton was different than Trump and the dog shit makes him look silly.
re: #328 EPR-radar
By the way, this Turley dipshit badly needs to disappear up his own asshole.
He defended the Clinton impeachment, which resulted from years of GOP witch hunting finding absolutely nothing except a lie Bill Clinton told under oath about something that was none of Starr’s business.
Now Turley has the gall to bleat about how ‘suddenly’ we have this impeachment of Trump, and why not earlier presented?
Total hypocrite.
Exactly. And the media I think for all their faults will point this out.
I went out grocery shopping & came back to see Matt Gaetz spewing breathtaking bulkshit. I guess I did not miss anything.
re: #330 HappyWarrior
I feel pretty good about this. Honestly I think most people know where they stand on this one way or the other but what the other three professors did today was to show the rationale for impeachment. Turley is rightfully going to be asked why his rhetoric Clinton was different than Trump and the dog shit makes him look silly.
There’s multiple interpretations of this and I love them all.
More people support impeach and removal of Trump than ever have Clinton or Nixon. Just put that in perspective here.
Matt Gaetz. “Maybe it’s a different president we should be impeaching.”
We only have one president, so im not sure how this would work.— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) December 4, 2019
Gaetz is doing what the right has been doing for a long time: objectivity doesn’t exist. Everyone is biased, therefore, if you gave $500 to Obama you can never be trusted.
re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg
There’s multiple interpretations of this and I love them all.
Haha I was referring specifically to the bit about how even his dog is angry about this. But the whole thing about how you can’t impeach Trump because the witnesses he hasn’t allowed to testify haven’t testified is some dog shit logic. It’s absurd and he knows it.
the facts are not disputed
the spin of the facts is what’s in dispute
George Zimmerman, acquitted of killing unarmed black teen Trayvon Martin in 2012, is now suing Martin’s family and others for more than $100 million.
…..
OH, look, A giant shit is behind it all…
Zimmerman’s attorney Larry Klayman, a former U.S. Justice Department prosecutor and the founder of the conservative activist group Judicial Watch, said the case against his client hinged on testimony from “fake witness” Diamond Eugene.
re: #335 The Pie Overlord!
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So lemme get this straight. This is a terrible witch hunt but you want to impeach a former president retroactively. Yeah you’re full of shit.
I wouldn’t get disheartened by the initial headlines we’ll see from today, whether that the hearing was “boring,” that the Repubs made a lot of noise about “process,” or that the experts called were “divided.” We heard a lot of the same opinions masquerading as “analysis” during the Intel Committee hearings and they did little to stop the Dems from solidifying the case for impeachment. There’s a whole day until the next hearing, plenty of time for “new media” to finish the job Turley started of shredding whatever remaining credibility he had.
re: #338 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
the facts are not disputed
the spin of the facts is what’s in dispute
They really think this is just because we’re upset over the 2016 results and damn right I am upset but this is an impeachable offense. I forgot which professor said it but if this isn’t impeachable, what is? And the Republicans in the House have some brass balls crying vendetta when many of them openly talked about impeaching HRC on day 1.
re: #331 HappyWarrior
Exactly. And the media I think for all their faults will point this out.
I expect that Turley won’t answer questions from anyone but FOX. And they won’t make the comparison and ask the questions making clear that he’s being a total hypocrite in his testimony.
re: #324 Targetpractice
I have doubts that this is going to, as was remarked upthread, “move the needle” in their favor. The Dems have three witnesses who’ve provided plenty of soundbites to support their side. And any news agency that chooses to expend the time can put Turley’s soundbites next to those from the Clinton impeachment to totally neuter his “authority.”
re: #330 HappyWarrior
re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg
The problem is that FOX News will never include any past statement/opinions by Turley to contradict his arguments today. So, a good quarter of the media consuming population will never consider his statements today other than absolute canon
re: #311 Dread Pirate
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Everyone take a moment to send thoughts and prayers to Luna, who puts up with treasonous Turly (who’s helping Trump sell America to the highest bidders) on a daily basis.
Correction: Republican presidents.
Democrats are and have always been held to a completely different set of rules and standards.— Yeah Sure WTF Ever (@YeahSureWhatev2) December 4, 2019
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