WATCH LIVE: House Judiciary Committee Impeachment Inquiry Hearing, Thread 2

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Here’s a second thread to chat about what’s going on here, since the first one is getting long.

Some points to consider:

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:08:26pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:09:11pm

CL’ed

WTFITS?

George Zimmerman, acquitted of killing unarmed black teen Trayvon Martin in 2012, is now suing Martin’s family and others for more than $100 million.

…..
OH, look, A giant shit is behind it all…

Zimmerman’s attorney Larry Klayman, a former U.S. Justice Department prosecutor and the founder of the conservative activist group Judicial Watch, said the case against his client hinged on testimony from “fake witness” Diamond Eugene.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:09:28pm

Reposting due to being CL’d:

I wouldn’t get disheartened by the initial headlines we’ll see from today, whether that the hearing was “boring,” that the Repubs made a lot of noise about “process,” or that the experts called were “divided.” We heard a lot of the same opinions masquerading as “analysis” during the Intel Committee hearings and they did little to stop the Dems from solidifying the case for impeachment. There’s a whole day until the next hearing, plenty of time for “new media” to finish the job Turley started of shredding whatever remaining credibility he had.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:12:31pm

Hey Mike Johnson, I’m sick too. I’m sick of Republicans defending open criminality because it keeps them in power.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:12:49pm

re: #2 Colère Tueur de Lapin

CL’ed

WTFITS?

…..
OH, look, A giant shit is behind it all…

Their “case” hinges on basically reviving the BS that the wingnut media threw up as a smokescreen during the trial, that this one witness was a “fake” and that the prosecution knew it.

As I said downstairs, the parties bringing this tort want you to believe that they have rock solid evidence that the prosecution, the family of the victim, and the family’s lawyer all conspired to bring forward someone totally unconnected to the case and convince her to endanger her future to lie on the stand.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:13:25pm

re: #2 Colère Tueur de Lapin

CL’ed

WTFITS?

…..
OH, look, A giant shit is behind it all…

Be wonderful if they countersued and bankrupted his ass for stalking and then murdering their son. The burden of proof isn’t as high in civil court and I don’t think Zimmerman or his attorneys considered that before this but still awful for the Martin family nonetheless.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:14:20pm

Just a matter of time before there are states with no abortion clinics, as the judges are in place to allow the clinics to be regulated out of existence. slate.com

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:15:01pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Be wonderful if they countersued and bankrupted his ass for stalking and then murdering his son. The burden of proof isn’t as high in civil court and I don’t think Zimmerman or his attorneys considered that before this but still awful for the Martin family nonetheless.

Considering the accusations being made towards the family, let alone their attorney and the state of Florida….well, speaking as a layman, I think they have a rock solid case to sue him for defamation of character and emotional suffering.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:15:09pm

re: #7 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Just a matter of time before there are states with no abortion clinics, as the jydges are im place to allow the clinics to be regulated out of existence. slate.com

My money is on Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana or Missouri to be the first.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:15:44pm

Just like hypocrisy doesn’t matter any more (unless it’s a Democrat), objectivity doesn’t exist anymore. Everybody is biased, therefore bias is good for your team. Because the other team is biased, right?

This is more intellectual cancer. Objective truth matters, so does objectivity. We cannot let objectivity be voided as a principle.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:17:52pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

My money is on Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana or Missouri to be the first.

Kentucky’s last clinic may have gotten a reprieve with the election of Andy Beshear as governor. But I’m sure the new GOP AG will try to shut it down if he can.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:18:07pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Considering the accusations being made towards the family, let alone their attorney and the state of Florida….well, speaking as a layman, I think they have a rock solid case to sue him for defamation of character and emotional suffering.

They definitely do in my opinion as half lawman/layman.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:18:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:18:54pm

re: #10 BigPapa

Just like hypocrisy doesn’t matter any more (unless it’s a Democrat), objectivity doesn’t exist anymore. Everybody is biased, therefore be bias is good for your team. Because the other team is biased, right?

This is more intellectual cancer. Objective truth matters, so does objectivity. We cannot let objectivity be voided as a principle.

It’s all so absurd.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:23:25pm

I am really not sure how much more of this I can take. There are so MANY of them who just filibuster, and some yelling. I do wish Nadler would stop someone like Gaetz interrupting and yelling at a witness. Schiff would have gaveled him down. (And I would like to take a gavel to him, right on top of his pointy head!)

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:24:03pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

It’s all so absurd.

That’s the point of it. Social norms and mores are encumbrances, so they must be destroyed.

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:27:46pm

re: #1 The Pie Overlord!

Matt Gaetz closes by threatening to … [squints at notes] …. impeach the ghost of President Obama

Not quite accurate: Mr. Obama is still alive: but, hey! John Tyler comes to mind as a fuckup President worthy of impeachment - maybe Gaetz should start with him!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:30:47pm

re: #17 Jay C

Not quite accurate: Mr. Obama is still alive: but, hey! John Tyler comes to mind as a fuckup President worthy of impeachment - maybe Gaetz should start with him!

I’m waiting to impeach Millard Fillmore. Maybe Gaetz means him.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:31:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:31:38pm

re: #16 BigPapa

That’s the point of it. Social norms and mores are encumbrances, so they must be destroyed.

This next decade I can’t stress enough is so important for where we go as a nation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:31:50pm

It’d be amazing if after Gaetz was done ranting, the room lights went dark and Obama made a surprise appearance WWE style entering to “Eye of the Tiger”.

/

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:31:58pm

re: #19 Dread Pirate

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Oh but Trump is a dove I heard.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:32:12pm

re: #19 Dread Pirate

Trump Administration considering sending dozens more ships, other military hardware & as many as 14,000 additional troops to Middle East to counter Iran- US officials

“We got the oil!”

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Mike Lamb  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:33:55pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

It’d be amazing if after Gaetz was done ranting, the room lights went dark and Obama made a surprise appearance WWE style entering to “Eye of the Tiger”.

/

Even more amazing would be to have former Con Law Professor Barack Obama testify as an expert.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:33:56pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:35:54pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

This next decade I can’t stress enough is so important for where we go as a nation.

Just initiated our first college voter registration drive for Jan 2020. I promised wife we won’t go at it as hard in 2024.

Max effort 2024 either won’t be necessary, or it will be too late.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:36:20pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

This next decade I can’t stress enough is so important for where we go as a nation.

The only way for the US to even survive in something close to its present form going forward, much less prosper, is the end of the GOP as a national party.

Unfortunately, I don’t see that happening.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:36:44pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Just initiated our first college voter registration drive for Jan 2020. I promised wife we won’t go at it as hard in 2024.

Max effort 2024 either won’t be necessary, or it will be too late.

Keep it up.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:37:15pm

re: #27 EPR-radar

The only way for the US to even survive in something close to its present form going forward, much less prosper, is the end of the GOP as a national party.

Unfortunately, I don’t see that happening.

I don’t either unfortunately.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:37:45pm

re: #24 Mike Lamb

Even more amazing would be to have former Con Law Professor Barack Obama testify as an expert.

That would be awesome.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:38:19pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

That would be awesome.

Awesome to watch. But a monstrous distraction from the task at hand.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:39:37pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

That would be awesome.

That would be pretty epic.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:40:37pm

re: #31 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Awesome to watch. But a monstrous distraction from the task at hand.

With McConnell leading his Zombie Horde in the Senate, the task at hand is largely stagecraft.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:41:12pm

re: #31 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Awesome to watch. But a monstrous distraction from the task at hand.

Obviously

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:42:13pm

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

That would be pretty epic.

It would be. Man I miss Obama. I miss knowing that we have a President who isn’t an obnoxious self promoting dipshit.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:45:01pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

This next decade I can’t stress enough is so important for where we go as a nation.

Agreed. Our democracy is on the ropes right now.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:45:46pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

“Maximum effort “

Deadpool “Maximum Effort” - Highway Scene | Deadpool (2016) Movie Clip

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:46:09pm

McLintock is going in on Gaetz: DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP?

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:46:36pm

Follow up to the news about the SNAP cuts earlier:

#TheCrueltyIsThePoint

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:46:55pm

re: #36 BigPapa

Agreed. Our democracy is on the ropes right now.

Indeed. Autocracy is on the rise. It has to be defeated.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:50:02pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:50:12pm

debunked conspiracies are now ‘unexplored defenses”

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:50:43pm

GOP down to Whose Team Are You On? defense.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:55:38pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Indeed. Autocracy Idiocracy is on the rise. It has to be defeated.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:56:54pm

re: #43 jaunte

GOP down to Whose Team Are You On? defense.

They accuse the witnesses of being biased against Trump. I’d counter that they’re biased in favor of Trump to the point where they contradict themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:58:07pm

re: #44 GlutenFreeJesus

That too. But more people today live under dictatorships than they did when the USSR was around. That’s scary to me.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:58:27pm

This is great.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:59:28pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

“Well, that was some weird shit”

- What I say to myself about everything Trump says or does.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:59:43pm

Heh.

Joe Biden: ‘Of course’ I would consider Kamala Harris as VP pick
cnn.com

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:01:33pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:02:23pm

So that Republican lady “asked” 3 questions and then answered them herself.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:03:51pm

lesko being totally disingenuous

true - biden wasnt mentioned in the paragraph she read from the transcript

‘biden’ was mentioned by the president on page 3 and 4 of the transcript

asshat

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:05:07pm

I’m still worried about Nadler getting jerked around by Collins but the Dem committee members are dogged on real points. Rep Jayapal asking great questions now.

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Thanos  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:06:07pm

Pam for AG!

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:06:34pm

the R’s are really convincing themselves they believe this nonsense

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:10:09pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:10:54pm

Turley is so full of shit.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:10:56pm

re: #55 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

the R’s are really convincing themselves they believe this nonsense

Trump is obviously guilty, so Republicans must become willfully delusional in order to pretend he’s not guilty.

It would be very entertaining, except that US democracy is at stake.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:11:40pm

re: #58 EPR-radar

Trump is obviously guilty, so Republicans must become willfully delusional in order to pretend he’s not guilty.

It would be very entertaining, except that US democracy is at stake.

what you said!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:12:38pm

re: #56 Dread Pirate

“Sovereignty for me, but no por Ustedes.”

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:13:02pm

thank you ms demings

“a categorical blockade”

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:18:06pm

re: #19 Dread Pirate

remember when some people genuinely thought Hillary Clinton was too hawkish and that Trump was the anti-war candidate? so long ago.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:20:53pm

mr cline, maybe it ‘should be’. constitution says it isnt.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:22:31pm

“House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler signaled at today’s televised hearing that the committee is broadening the scope of the impeachment inquiry to include Robert Mueller’s findings,” Axios reports.

;-)

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:24:59pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:30:09pm

the R’s are really good at mining truncated quotes

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:30:47pm

Same school of thought as cherry-picking Bible passages.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:35:18pm

re: #66 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

the R’s are really good at mining truncated quotes

It’s the Fox News technique they’ve learned so well.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:36:34pm

re: #67 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Same school of thought as cherry-picking Bible passages.

The GOP learned this from the creationists they invited into their big tent of crankery and willful stupidity decades ago.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:40:38pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:41:53pm

re: #70 Dread Pirate

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Booby Nincompoopo wants the US to go to war with Iran.

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piratedan  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:43:54pm

essentially we’re down to the GOP consisting mostly of Lee J Cobb’s and Ed Begley’s from 12 Angry Men; the thing is, these fuckers will never face their own biases and misinterpretations because guys like the Koch’s, Mercer’s and Murdoch’s broadcast 24/7 that they don’t have to.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:44:45pm

re: #72 piratedan

essentially we’re down to the GOP consisting mostly of Lee J Cobb’s and Ed Begley’s from 12 Angry Men; the thing is, these fuckers will never face their own biases and misinterpretations because guys like the Koch’s, Mercer’s and Murdoch’s broadcast 24/7 that they don’t have to.

+1 for the ref
one of my faves

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:48:24pm

re: #71 Joe Bacon 🌹

Booby Nincompoopo wants the US to go to war with Iran.

With John Bolton, now a private citizen, crying into his pillow because he’s left out.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:48:54pm

re: #72 piratedan

essentially we’re down to the GOP consisting mostly of Lee J Cobb’s and Ed Begley’s from 12 Angry Men; the thing is, these fuckers will never face their own biases and misinterpretations because guys like the Koch’s, Mercer’s and Murdoch’s broadcast 24/7 that they don’t have to.

I recently saw that film for the first time. It struck me as deeply rooted in the time of its setting, since the modern American jackass is completely impervious to reason and damn proud of it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:50:08pm

re: #72 piratedan

essentially we’re down to the GOP consisting mostly of Lee J Cobb’s and Ed Begley’s from 12 Angry Men; the thing is, these fuckers will never face their own biases and misinterpretations because guys like the Koch’s, Mercer’s and Murdoch’s broadcast 24/7 that they don’t have to.

Let’s not forget Sinclair.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:52:36pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:53:04pm

re: #72 piratedan

essentially we’re down to the GOP consisting mostly of Lee J Cobb’s and Ed Begley’s from 12 Angry Men; the thing is, these fuckers will never face their own biases and misinterpretations because guys like the Koch’s, Mercer’s and Murdoch’s broadcast 24/7 that they don’t have to.

I had to laugh, a while back, when my wingnut cousin was talking about Latino immigrants and said, “I live among these people”, which is exactly what Lee J. Cobb’s character says in his “You can’t trust these people!” monologue.

Funny thing is, I looked up the demographics for the town where he lives, and per the Census there are - I shit you not - only about 30 Latinos in his whole town of 2800.

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piratedan  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:53:39pm

re: #77 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

well Turley is indeed a Law Professor, no one is claiming that he’s a Good One…..

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plansbandc  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:56:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:56:42pm
Welcome to the party, pal.
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:58:14pm

here we go with ‘due process’ again

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piratedan  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:59:40pm

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

for me its not only a wondrous character study of American archetypes, the acting and dialogue (for its time setting) is simply extraordinary, everyone gets lines, scenes and opportunity to show who their character is. For me the dialogue between the jurors is realistic, be it the football coach Balsam to Webber’s ad executive to Weston’s baseball fan. All realistic, utterly believable, you KNOW these people or someone like them.

The story also is revelatory in an understanding of basic civics that is so lacking today.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:01:43pm

re: #83 piratedan

for me its not only a wondrous character study of American archetypes, the acting and dialogue (for its time setting) is simply extraordinary, everyone gets lines, scenes and opportunity to show who their character is. For me the dialogue between the jurors is realistic, be it the football coach Balsam to Webber’s ad executive to Weston’s baseball fan. All realistic, utterly believable, you KNOW these people or someone like them.

The story also is revelatory in an understanding of basic civics is so lacking today.

It’s one of those movies that, if I stumble on it while channel surfing, I stop and watch the rest of it.

(Mind you, I do that with MCU movies too, and Scorcese tells us they’re not cinema….)

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:13:22pm

re: #81 Blind Frog Belly White

Obligatory upding for Die Hard ref. I would upding for the tweet posted, but alas, the deep stater Stinky Beaumont allows me but one upding.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:14:08pm

re: #80 plansbandc

Former top Navy SEAL who oversaw the Osama bin Laden raid says the US is ‘under attack from the president’

You just let me reopen last night’s argument with Wife. She is afraid of the stereotypic “conservative military”. (She’s an old Army brat, daughter of an E8. Her first cigarette was a Lucky Strike pilfered from a C-rat.)

I worked with them for 30 years. The military’s loyalty scares me far less than the ignorant electorate.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:16:11pm

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:18:26pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:18:59pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:22:51pm

re: #89 jaunte

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The party who laughed when Limbaugh called 13 year old Chelsea Clinton the Family Dog are OUTRAGED!!!! that somebody made a joke with the President’s son’s name.

That was pretty much the only thing that went their way today, and they had to pretend it was actually about the kid, not the name his Dad gave him.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:24:53pm

I haven’t lost interest—I just can’t stand listening to the Republicans’ whiny, annoying bullshit, so I’m watching with closed captions. The expressions on the blond behind screaming Dough Collins are keeping me from puking as I watch him twist and shout.

Edit—Dough was a typo, but I kinda like it…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:25:41pm

re: #90 Blind Frog Belly White

The party who laughed when Limbaugh called 13 year old Chelsea Clinton the Family Dog are OUTRAGED!!!! that somebody made a joke with the President’s son’s name.

That was pretty much the only thing that went their way today, and they had to pretend it was actually about the kid, not the name his Dad gave him.

Remember McCains “joke” about Chelsea being Janet Reno’s father. Yeah fuck this faux rage by the fuck your feelings crowd. She probably shouldn’t have said it but it’s nowhere near close to what was said about Chelsea and the Obama girls.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:28:07pm

It was pretty damn tame but be outraged crowd that stood by Trump when he belittles migrant children.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:29:27pm

re: #91 BeachDem

I haven’t lost interest—I just can’t stand listening to the Republicans’ whiny, annoying bullshit, so I’m watching with closed captions. The expressions on the blond behind screaming Dough Collins are keeping me from puking as I watch him twist and shout.

Edit—Dough was a typo, but I kinda like it…

I get that ALL THE FUCKING TIME!! It used to bother me, till I saw one time that I’d typed my own name that way.

Oops.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:30:45pm

But, don’t call them stupid. That’s how we got Trump, so I’m told.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:31:44pm
“The constitution doesn’t allow titles of nobility. The President can name his son Barron, but he can’t *make* him a baron.”

Where is the lie? Where is the disrespect?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:33:42pm

re: #96 jaunte

Where is the lie? Where is the disrespect?

There isn’t any, and they’re not genuinely upset. They just know they can use it somehow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:34:00pm
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Jay C  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:34:50pm

re: #96 jaunte

“The constitution doesn’t allow titles of nobility. The President can name his son Barron, but he can’t *make* him a baron.”

Where is the lie? Where is the disrespect?

Also: Where is the context? This sounds remarkably stupid even by Trump-Era standards, but where did this come from?

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:35:32pm

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

There isn’t any, and they’re not genuinely upset. They just know they can use it somehow.

Melanoma (deliberate disrespect) made a tweet of outrage, giving them something to hoot about. And I would bet against her actually doing that, too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:36:32pm

re: #100 retired cynic

Melanoma (deliberate disrespect) made a tweet of outrage, giving them something to hoot about. And I would bet against her actually doing that, too.

Someone pointed out that she’s asleep on AF1 right now, so, yeah.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:38:02pm

re: #100 retired cynic

Republicans demand a standard of decency from Democrats that they abandoned long ago. Terrorists always use your own standards and principles against you.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:40:22pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:46:21pm

Ooops

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:50:16pm

Evening Lizardim. How go the impeachment proceedings?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:51:02pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

Ooops

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See, there’s the problem when you start your investigation with a conclusion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:53:42pm

re: #105 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim. How go the impeachment proceedings?

Well, Republicans are filling the air with fauxtrage over a play on words regarding the President’s son’s name and titles of nobility, bcause this is the only useful thing they got out of the whole day. And Jonathan Turley was publicly exposed as an attention whore who will say whatever he has to to get in front of a camera.

So, pretty well, I think.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:55:37pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:55:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 3:57:57pm

re: #109 The Pie Overlord!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:01:52pm

re: #108 Blind Frog Belly White

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Barr clearly erred in picking a prosecutor with personal integrity to lead this investigation. Fox News has been pimping this as the bombshell that was going to blow open the “Russia witchhunt hoax.” I even saw one Fox News program claiming that the impeachment hearings were just a diversion to distract from the twin IG Durham investigations.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:03:51pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:06:22pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:06:59pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:07:00pm
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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:07:39pm

Charlie Pierce: The Democratic Race Is Poorer for Losing Kamala Harris

Harris should still be in the race. She is a brilliant, accomplished woman who showed her leadership chops when she reduced Brett Kavanaugh to tears during his Senate confirmation hearings. … Harris qualified for the December 19 hoedown, but she couldn’t sustain her campaign until then. (Two whole weeks!) Instead, we’ll get Tom Steyer, but not Julian Castro. Tulsi Gabbard, but (probably) not Booker. How is this good for anyone? In what is arguably a populist moment, this is simply crazy.

Kamala Harris will still be a force. Right now, she has to be at the top of every vice-presidential shortlist. Any Democrat elected has to consider her for attorney general. And, once the Senate trial starts. she’ll likely get all the free airtime that she couldn’t get while running for president. In addition, she is the most important outstanding endorsement on the board right now. But the field is infinitely poorer without her, and completely out of touch with the actual dynamics of the 2020 election.

Edited to clarify the quote.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:08:52pm

re: #116 retired cynic

Edited to clarify it was a quote.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:09:00pm

re: #103 Dread Pirate

It’s time to ask whether we’re seeing the beginnings of a “realignment” with this global right wing movement against the values and even the interests of the United States and the West.

That’s the ultimate end point for reactionary/fundamentalist politics. Life in a pluralistic liberal democracy is at odds with their world view.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:10:59pm

I can’t with Kamala. Too soon. I said it.

But the thought of her going Dracarys on the GOP mobligarchy has me weak in the knees.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:11:13pm

re: #116 retired cynic

Harris should stay in the Senate, that is where she can do the most good (unless a future Democratic president wants to nominate her for the Supreme Court).

Also, I am very leery of any “populist” moment. I don’t trust populism at all.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:12:38pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:13:26pm

“Yeah, when Horowitz releases his report, it’s gonna bring the whole house of cards crashin’ down on those Dems! Obama! The Clintons! Biden! Comey! All will…”

Horowitz: “Yeah, there’s nothing there, guys. While some people did some things that I don’t agree with, it was all totally legal.”

“Well, we all knew Horowitz was just another government goon that was going to support the FBI! But surely Durham will come through…”

Durham: “I got nothin’.”

“…THIS IS ALL A CONSPIRACY AGAINST TRUMP!!!!”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:13:31pm

re: #120 KGxvi

Harris should stay in the Senate, that is where she can do the most good (unless a future Democratic president wants to nominate her for the Supreme Court).

Also, I am very leery of any “populist” moment. I don’t trust populism at all.

If Biden is the nominee, I would want Kamala on the ticket, with the possibility that, given his age, she would be the nominee in 2024.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:14:44pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

“Yeah, when Horowitz releases his report, it’s gonna bring the whole house of cards crashin’ down on those Dems! Obama! The Clintons! Biden! Comey! All will…”

Horowitz: “Yeah, there’s nothing there, guys. While some people did some things that I don’t agree with, it was all totally legal.”

“Well, we all knew Horowitz was just another government goon that was going to support the FBI! But surely Durham will come through…”

Durham: “I got nothin’.”

“…THIS IS ALL A CONSPIRACY AGAINST TRUMP!!!!”

I bet the Q Cultists and Freepers must be going crazy.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:16:37pm

re: #123 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Biden is the nominee, I would want Kamala on the ticket, with the possibility that, given his age, she would be the nominee in 2024.

I wonder what would happen if any of the three old frontrunners were to announce that if they won, they’d only serve one term?

I mean, it would make sense for Biden or Sanders, since they’d both turn 80 during their first term (and both will be older at their inauguration than Reagan was when he left office). But I wonder if that would weaken their standing in the primary.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:17:42pm

re: #124 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I bet the Q Cultists and Freepers must be going crazy.

How could you tell?

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:18:59pm

re: #125 KGxvi

I don’t think either one of them would ever come out and say it, but I think it would be implied.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:19:18pm

re: #126 KGxvi

How could you tell?

Touche

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:21:15pm

Charlies Pierce had a number of columns about the hearings today: constitutional porn, he loves it! Turns out Prof. Karlan was to have been Obama’s next choice for the Supremes, but he decided to go with Garland instead as more likely to be confirmed. “Yeah,” he wrote, “that putt got called a little early.”

Anyway, I didn’t know that. She’s a toot.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:25:27pm

This is real close to home as I fish in these nurseries. These plant are huge and their resources are trucked and barged in to be refined onsite.
Good on her….

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:30:13pm

Random thought: I really do not like Adam Sandler. I think he always had enormous potential (Punch Drunk Love), but settled for shtick. But based on the trailers I’ve seen, I’m really looking forward to Uncut Gems. I was not paid for this post.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:30:14pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:31:52pm

re: #130 Dave In Austin

They’ve been dumping plastic pellets into the intracoastal waterway since the 1960s at the very least.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:33:32pm

re: #132 jaunte

“restore the dignity of work.”

The unemployment rate is less than 4%. Most of the people on assistance are the “working poor.” The fact that a nation as rich as ours even has one “working poor” citizen is a disgrace.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:34:42pm

re: #134 Ace Rothstein

“restore the dignity of work.”

The unemployment rate is less than 4%. Most of the people on assistance are the “working poor.” The fact that a nation as rich as ours even has one “working poor” citizen is a disgrace.

The “dignity of work” can only be restored when workers receive a living wage.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:39:54pm

re: #135 The Pie Overlord!

The “dignity of work” can only be restored when workers receive a living wage.

When they say “dignity of work” they mean it like when realtors try to sell a tumbledown shack with “pride of ownership”.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:45:01pm

Short, interesting article on how Trump’s cancellation of cost sharing reduction subsidies for ACA policies had the unintended consequence of reducing premiums for lower income Americans, especially in rural areas, while hammering people making too much money to qualify for subsidies, ie, Republicans. Trump accidentally made the ACA work better for lower middle class Americans!

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:54:15pm

And Samuel Alito. John Roberts went to Harvard Law School.

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bratwurst  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:54:30pm

This Barron nonsense is the lamest attempt at manufactured outrage since the GOP tried to make Obama’s uttering the phrase “lipstick on a pig” an insult to the honor of Sarah Palin shortly before the election in 2008.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:55:27pm

re: #139 bratwurst

This Barron nonsense is the lamest attempt at manufactured outrage since the GOP tried to make Obama’s utterly the phrase “lipstick on a pig” an insult to the honor of Sarah Palin.

It’s pretty damn pathetic. And it’s not going to work.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:56:32pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

It’s pretty damn pathetic. And it’s not going to work.

It will with Trumpanzees, just not anyone else.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:57:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:57:50pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:58:08pm

re: #139 bratwurst

This Barron nonsense is the lamest attempt at manufactured outrage since the GOP tried to make Obama’s utterly the phrase “lipstick on a pig” an insult to the honor of Sarah Palin.

Wait, I forget - which one was she supposed to be? The lipstick? Or the pig?
/////

BTW, remember when the Right thought she’d make a GREAT President? And we all said, “She’s an idiot grifter!”

And a few years later they concluded she was an idiot grifter?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:58:23pm

re: #141 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It will with Trumpanzees, just not anyone else.

Well of course. It really was a pretty tame joke. Frankly the party that laughed like hyenas during Limbaugh’s mocking of Chelsea Clinton can stfu about this.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:58:43pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:59:03pm

THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS. DO NOT TRY THIS ON YOUR OWN.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:59:16pm

re: #146 jaunte

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Yeah, but Barron’s WHITE, so…..

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 4:59:44pm

re: #146 jaunte

NO! ///

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:00:04pm

re: #123 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Biden is the nominee, I would want Kamala on the ticket, with the possibility that, given his age, she would be the nominee in 2024.

Yeah, I think she needs to be VP.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:00:29pm

re: #125 KGxvi

I wonder what would happen if any of the three old frontrunners were to announce that if they won, they’d only serve one term?

I mean, it would make sense for Biden or Sanders, since they’d both turn 80 during their first term (and both will be older at their inauguration than Reagan was when he left office). But I wonder if that would weaken their standing in the primary.

Don’t do it in advance.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:00:38pm

These fucking people literally have the most limited vocabulary.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:00:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:01:19pm

I could get behind Biden-Harris as a ticket.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:01:32pm

To be honest, Trump’s grown spawn are such fat targets no one needs to mention the teenager ever again.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:02:25pm

re: #120 KGxvi

Harris should stay in the Senate, that is where she can do the most good (unless a future Democratic president wants to nominate her for the Supreme Court).

Also, I am very leery of any “populist” moment. I don’t trust populism at all.

Populism is untrustworthy, but the Democrats need to find a way to deal with issues of jobs and economic stagnation. “Business mostly as usual” while only the Davos set seems to be doing well isn’t going to cut it.

The sticking point is that the Democrats are going to have to make an ask of their donor class, and plutocrats don’t like that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:02:34pm

re: #152 teleskiguy

These fucking people literally have the most limited vocabulary.

Yeah that’s why they were there. Fucking senators tweeting like alt right trolls but then again there’s little difference these days except people were dumb enough to elect Marsha Blackburn to represent them.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:02:42pm

re: #139 bratwurst

re: #140 HappyWarrior

re: #141 NO SMOCKING GUN!

She apologized for making the remark during the hearings, That in itself will set the red hats off.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:04:23pm

re: #156 EPR-radar

Populism is untrustworthy, but the Democrats need to find a way to deal with issues of jobs and economic stagnation. “Business mostly as usual” while only the Davos set seems to be doing well isn’t going to cut it.

The sticking point is that the Democrats are going to have to make an ask of their donor class, and plutocrats don’t like that.

I think there needs to be something in between populism and the business as usual. I’m more with the populists on the idea that wealth disparity is a serious problem in the country but I’m more supportive of trade than they are too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:04:49pm

re: #158 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

She apologized for making the remark during the hearings, That in itself will set the red hats off.

Aka something Limbaugh never did for his stupid Chelsea Clinton joke.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:06:00pm

re: #133 jaunte

They’ve been dumping plastic pellets into the intracoastal waterway since the 1960s at the very least.

I’m real familiar with the area. Up the Lavaca River as well.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:07:47pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I think there needs to be something in between populism and the business as usual. I’m more with the populists on the idea that wealth disparity is a serious problem in the country but I’m more supportive of trade than they are too.

Traditionally in US politics, one major party or the other would make pressing populist issues their own in order to ensure their survival.

I think the calcification of the two parties into racist R and anti-racist D since the civil rights realignment has inhibited that process.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:08:19pm

re: #19 Dread Pirate

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talk about side eyes in a photo.

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gocart mozart  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:08:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:08:35pm

I totally expect the cynical bastards that run Trump’s reelection campaign to grift off this remark. For the fuck your feelings crowd, they’re awfully sensitive when the shoe is on the other foot. It really was a pretty tame comment. And Trump himself has said of child migrants being “no angels” so I really don’t give a fuck about Barron being used in an offhand remark pointing out that we don’t have official nobility in this country especially given that Barron’s father is the king of nepotism given how Barron’s older half sister and brother in law are given positions of power and influence they’ve done nothing to earn.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:12:19pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:16:31pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Aka something Limbaugh never did for his stupid Chelsea Clinton joke.

Aka something Trump never did for this, in fact he doubled down on it:

Trump mocks reporter with disability

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:16:36pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Good, because I think it’s likely.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:16:38pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:20:32pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:21:45pm

Just what we need, a guy who enables child molesters telling us what we need.

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gocart mozart  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:28:47pm

Amy Lofgren still getting harrassed by MAGAts

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Disloyal Archangel  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:31:45pm

Ah, sweet karma…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:32:43pm

In reality, Bevin lost a lot of suburban and rural voters because he is an asshole, while the rest of the GOP ticket won handily.

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Cheechako  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:33:54pm

re: #151 Belafon

Don’t do it in advance.

Absolutely, can’t be a lame duck the first day of office!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:34:26pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:35:45pm

re: #173 Disloyal Archangel

MIddle-Aged Rock’s music sucks.

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plansbandc  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:36:11pm

re: #167 The Pie Overlord!

This will infuriate me till the day I die.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:36:43pm

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A lot of white women near the Ohio River would disagree with Bevin.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:37:06pm

re: #171 The Pie Overlord!

Just what we need, a guy who enables child molesters telling us what we need.

They’re people who have spent their lifetimes actually studying the law, Jim so I can see why a moron like you would be confused by them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:38:23pm

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In reality, Bevin lost a lot of suburban and rural voters because he is an asshole, while the rest of the GOP ticket won handily.

I really wish more Democrats would call this shit out for what it is. Racist bullshit. I’m sick of the condescending bullshit directed at minority urbanites.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:39:28pm

re: #178 plansbandc

This will infuriate me till the day I die.

He showed how small a person he really is with that. It said much more about him than the reporter he belittled. It’s why any lectures from him or his allies about civility are bullshit.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:40:25pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

They’re people who have spent their lifetimes actually studying the law, Jim so I can see why a moron like you would be confused by them.

Republicans have a very simple view of the law:

Some people (Republicans) have rights but no obligations under the law.

Other people (non-Republicans) have obligations but no rights under the law.

You don’t need years of education to understand that, so Republicans view law school as a deeply mysterious thing, and probably communist because of that.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:41:39pm

fuck

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:41:58pm

re: #183 EPR-radar

Republicans have a very simple view of the law:

Some people (Republicans) have rights but no obligations under the law.

Other people (non-Republicans) have obligations but no rights under the law.

You don’t need years of education to understand that, so Republicans view law school as a deeply mysterious thing, and probably communist because of that.

Anti-intellectualism is such a blight.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:43:17pm

I dare you to listen to this and try to discern any rational thought.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:44:14pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

I really wish more Democrats would call this shit out for what it is. Racist bullshit. I’m sick of the condescending bullshit directed at minority urbanites.

And particularly disgusting coming from Bevin, who has several black children he adopted from Africa.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:44:54pm
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marcusgorillius  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:44:58pm

re: #152 teleskiguy

Senator Blackburn should explain why she interfered in the DEAs enforcement arm going after drug companies because of the opioids crisis. Taking some money from big pharma Marsha? Watch the 60 Minute piece. She’s as dirty and corrupt as anyone.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:45:56pm

As I keep on telling Right-Wing scumbags, don’t give me that fake self-defense crap about “Trayvon banging Zimmerman’s head in the pavement.” In the crime scene photos, Trayvon’s body is in the middle of a lawn and nowhere near a sidewalk. But conservative lowlifes will not let facts get in the way of their racist agendas.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:46:00pm

re: #188 Dread Pirate

Are there any actual charges against Rudy right now?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:46:37pm

re: #187 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And particularly disgusting coming from Bevin, who has several black children he adopted from Africa.

Yep but they’re “his” so it’s okay. Really, we hear so much crap about “urban elites” but no one calls out the crap that’s constantly directed at urban Americans for not being “real Americans.” And you’re getting this btw from a guy who lives closer to West Virginia than he does DC. It’s all fucking America in our borders. And Republicans and sad to say some left wingers like acting like the cities aren’t “real America” and like resorting to pathetic elitism to people who choose to live their lives in cities.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:49:40pm

re: #186 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I dare you to listen to this and try to discern any rational thought.

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His rational thought is how to emit some sounds that enable him to turn to another reporter.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:51:50pm

Donny Jr. just so wishes he could be a Prince, or a Duke, or even a Baron.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:52:00pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I could get behind Biden-Harris as a ticket.

If it came to that, I’d hold my nose and vote for it. But Biden should go home and Harris should still be running.

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Interesting Times  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:52:33pm

re: #194 The Pie Overlord!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:54:01pm

re: #191 Belafon

Are there any actual charges against Rudy right now?

Not yet.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:54:21pm

All of a sudden a bunch of Yang signs are popping up here in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:56:22pm
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Disloyal Archangel  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:56:24pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:57:18pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I totally expect the cynical bastards that run Trump’s reelection campaign to grift off this remark. For the fuck your feelings crowd, they’re awfully sensitive when the shoe is on the other foot. It really was a pretty tame comment. And Trump himself has said of child migrants being “no angels” so I really don’t give a fuck about Barron being used in an offhand remark pointing out that we don’t have official nobility in this country especially given that Barron’s father is the king of nepotism given how Barron’s older half sister and brother in law are given positions of power and influence they’ve done nothing to earn.

They are. Relatives are in full meltdown mode over this…the same relatives who yukked it up when Pigboy Rush called Chelsea a dog…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:58:17pm

re: #196 Interesting Times

Don Jr probably has the least self awareness in that entire family which is pretty astonishing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 5:59:13pm

re: #201 Joe Bacon 🌹

They are. Relatives are in full meltdown mode over this…the same relatives who yukked it up when Pigboy Rush called Chelsea a dog…

It really is a tame joke. And she fucking apologized immediately. That pill popping troll Limbaugh never apologized for what he said about Chelsea.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:00:35pm

re: #200 Disloyal Archangel

Yes, and hear from witnesses that DT won’t let testify, and see documents that DT won’t release!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:01:15pm

You want to cry about triggered and microaggressions. Don’t go around making it out to be an outrage that a professor used the President’s son’s name to make a point that we don’t have an official nobility in this country. She didn’t insult Barron as a person. She did make maybe an offhand remark about his name but really a tame comment and their outrage might be more believable if Trump ever showed any affection to Barron except to use him as a crutch against criticism.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:02:01pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

It really is a tame joke. And she fucking apologized immediately. That pill popping troll Limbaugh never apologized for what he said about Chelsea.

There were lots of rumors about how sleazy Rush Limbaugh was when he was a third rate DJ in Pittsburgh using the name “Jeff Christie”…

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:02:37pm

re: #206 Joe Bacon 🌹

There were lots of rumors about how sleazy Rush Limbaugh was when he was a third rate DJ in Pittsburgh using the name “Jeff Christie”…

Tell me more!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:02:42pm

re: #121 Dread Pirate

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LOL…one more thing for JD Vance of Hillbilly Elegy infamy to be proud of for being a POS45 cheerleader

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:03:09pm

re: #206 Joe Bacon 🌹

There were lots of rumors about how sleazy Rush Limbaugh was when he was a third rate DJ in Pittsburgh using the name “Jeff Christie”…

I hate that he soiled my family’s ancestral home city with his presence. But yeah Rush is pretty sleazy. I bet he’s got a lot of skeletons in his closet.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:03:56pm

I applaud the remark, think it was a clever way of illustrating her point and there was no reason to apologize. Further, if I ever acquire a relative named Barron, I grant unrestricted permission to use it in reference to him.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:05:24pm

re: #210 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

I applaud the remark, think it was a clever way of illustrating her point and there was no reason to apologize. Further, if I ever acquire a relative named Barron, I grant unrestricted permission to use it in reference to him.

Given the way Trump makes his family an integral part of his business, absolutely. She didn’t belittle the kid ffs. Barron’s father did however belittle Greta.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:06:15pm

What was the actual statement she made referencing Barron?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:07:15pm

re: #212 Belafon

What was the actual statement she made referencing Barron?

That we don’t have barons in this country even though people like Barron’s father would want it that way given the way his nepotistic attitude per Barron’s half sister and his brother in law. She just said that and referenced Barron’s name. It was a play on his name. It was a criticism of Barron’s father not Barron himself.

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plansbandc  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:09:21pm

Off topic:

Today I learned something vile. Was listening to one of my fave podcasts, “This Podcast Will Kill You” and the topic was lead poisoning. (Podcast is usually about infectious diseases but they’re branching out a bit it seems.)

Highly educational and always interesting for those who aren’t faint of heart.

Anywho, lead poisoning. Seems that some kids and moms in Baltimore were used as guinea pigs. Single mothers and their kids were purposely exposed to lead. No, not informed. Can you guess the ethnicity of these people? I bet you can. Poverty stricken, of course.

So you might be thinking, well, horrible, but stuff like this happened a long time ago and it was awful and ignorant and criminal. Guess what? The “study” started in 1991! JFC

So now I’m going to read “Lead Wars” one of the sources for the pod.

We really do suck as a country sometimes.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:10:25pm

re: #214 plansbandc

Off topic:

Today I learned something vile. Was listening to one of my fave podcasts, “This Podcast Will Kill You” and the topic was lead poisoning. (Podcast is usually about infectious diseases but they’re branching out a bit it seems.)

Highly educational and always interesting for those who aren’t faint of heart.

Anywho, lead poisoning. Seems that some kids and moms in Baltimore were used as guinea pigs. Single mothers and their kids were purposely exposed to lead. No, not informed. Can you guess the ethnicity of these people? I bet you can. Poverty stricken, of course.

So you might be thinking, well, horrible, but stuff like this happened a long time ago and it was awful and ignorant and criminal. Guess what? The “study” started in 1991! JFC

So now I’m going to read “Lead Wars” one of the sources for the pod.

We really do suck as a country sometimes.

Wow I had never heard about that.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:11:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:12:21pm

re: #212 Belafon

What was the actual statement she made referencing Barron?

Barron Trump kept coming up in the impeachment hearing. Here’s why.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:12:45pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

I think you sum up how I feel Charles. I understand why she apologized but for once I’d like someone to tell their fauxrage machine to piss up a rope. I don’t want to hear lectures from the fucking Melania of “I don’t care do u” or Don Jr “I wrote a book whining about college liberals” complaining about this especially given their own actions and their husband and father.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:12:45pm

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:15:30pm

re: #219 The Pie Overlord!

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I doubt Dinesh knows how to shoot his little Dinesh let alone an actual gun.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:15:51pm

re: #219 The Pie Overlord!

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Dinesh D’Souza: “If it ever came to a real civil war, probably our side would do pretty well since we have all the guns”

The very best RW delusion. It will serve them well if they ever get their wish.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:17:02pm

They’re afraid of cities FFS.

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Disloyal Archangel  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:17:04pm

re: #219 The Pie Overlord!

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Embedded content]

Ah, this old stupidity again.
The overwhelming majority of military folks I know are staunch Democrats - many of whom excelled in the line of duty.
If there were a civil war, it would be rather one sided, and probably nowhere near what Dumbass DeShmuckface and his ilk have in mind.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:17:53pm

Does he realize a civil war is fought against the government, not the unarmed liberals he hates.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:17:59pm

re: #221 Decatur Deb

The very best RW delusion. It will serve them well if they ever get their wish.

Because stochastic violence is limited only to Republicans. Of course.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:18:28pm

re: #223 Disloyal Archangel

The overwhelming majority of military folks I know are staunch Democrats - many of whom excelled in the line of duty.
If there were a civil war, it would be rather one sided, and probably nowhere near what Dumbass DeShmuckface and his ilk have in mind.

There’s no way in hell the military brass would side with Trump. Dinesh really thinks that the average liberal is like someone out of a dumb right wing meme. And whatever difference they may have in guns, they lack in sheer intelligence. Dinesh wouldn’t know strategy if it bit him on his ass.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:18:48pm

re: #224 Dread Pirate

Does he realize a civil war is fought against the government, not the unarmed liberals he hates.

No. He’s just that stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:21:01pm

So in one breath, I hear about how the left are just a bunch of effete wimps who don’t know how to use guns like real Merikans and than in another we’re the ideology of gang members and the “violent” antifa. I don’t know. I think there’s something damn funny about a failed former President of a mediocre university trying to act like he’s Billy Badass.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:21:38pm

Oh
My
GAWD
! ! !

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:21:46pm

I like the way Mr. Turtledove writes.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:25:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:26:35pm

re: #230 jaunte

I like the way Mr. Turtledove writes.

He doesn’t know what a hoax actually is. The same way he doesn’t know what “fake” is. If it was as illegitimate as he claims, he could have his guys testifying and they would be transparent with the public. They’ve done neither.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:26:37pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:26:49pm

re: #225 Sherlock Hound

Because stochastic violence is limited only to Republicans. Of course.

If Dinesh ever gets his CWII, people who look like him will be smoked—by people who think like him.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:27:45pm

re: #230 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I like the way Mr. Turtledove writes.

The “he’s guilty” line is from a Doonesbury cartoon during those OTHER impeachment hearings (I regard the Clinton interlude as farce, not hearing), but it’s a good source to steal from.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:28:31pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

If Dinesh ever gets his CWII, people who look like him will be smoked—by people who think like him.

If he ever went in the heart of Red America, he would probably be thought to be ISIS.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:30:12pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

If he ever went in the heart of Red America, he would probably be thought to be ISIS.

“Y’all are not from around here, are ya?”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:32:15pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

“Y’all are not from around here, are ya?”

He really has no clue about how the nativism that he espouses would be used on him in a heartbeat if he ever ventured out of his elitist right wing bubble.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:32:30pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

If Dinesh ever gets his CWII, people who look like him will be smoked—by people who think like him.

That’s why I always laugh at him, baby Snidely and the rest like them; they just don’t get that they’d be dead as soon as they aren’t needed to start the war.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:35:51pm

re: #219 The Pie Overlord!

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Embedded content]

He’ll learn too late when his beloved Xtian Militiamen open fire on him!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:37:47pm

re: #239 William Lewis

That’s why I always laugh at him, baby Snidely and the rest like them; they just don’t get that they’d be dead as soon as they aren’t needed to start the war.

I loved it when Ben tried to gunsplain to Jason Isbell and Jason was like dude I’m from Muscle Shoals, Alabama, don’t tell me that I don’t know anything about guns. I’m not a gun guy but I’m honest about it. Ben Shapiro isn’t a gun guy either as is Dinesh but they like to act like they are. I hate fucking fake gun guys.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:37:55pm

The problem of only possessing two hands means having a lot of guns isn’t all that useful in a civil unrest scenario unless you also have a lot of nearby friends without guns.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:38:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:38:39pm

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

The problem of only possessing two hands means having a lot of guns isn’t all that useful in a civil unrest scenario unless you also have a lot of nearby friends without guns.

If anything their gun hoarding would make them open targets.

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gocart mozart  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:47:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:47:51pm

re: #245 gocart mozart

Sometimes Biden straight out gets it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:48:32pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:51:14pm

re: #207 retired cynic

Tell me more!

Google “Jeff Christie Rush Limbaugh” and see the rumors…

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:54:30pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I totally expect the cynical bastards that run Trump’s reelection campaign to grift off this remark. For the fuck your feelings crowd, they’re awfully sensitive when the shoe is on the other foot. It really was a pretty tame comment. And Trump himself has said of child migrants being “no angels” so I really don’t give a fuck about Barron being used in an offhand remark pointing out that we don’t have official nobility in this country especially given that Barron’s father is the king of nepotism given how Barron’s older half sister and brother in law are given positions of power and influence they’ve done nothing to earn.

It goes on…

Just because you named your daughter Chelsea doesn’t mean you gave birth to a Boston suburb.

Just because you named your son Hunter doesn’t mean he has to go out and shoot deer.

Just because you named your son Eric (and spelled it with a C instead of a K) doesn’t mean he’s a Viking.

Just because you named your son Donald, Jr. doesn’t mean he’s an asshole just like you—oh wait, I guess it does.

The whole thing is idiotic, so it figures the assholes on the right would cling tightly to the idiocy.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:54:47pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:56:50pm
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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2019 • 6:58:24pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

If Dinesh ever gets his CWII, people who look like him will be smoked—by people who think like him.

He’s very lucky to be coded as white.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:01:16pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:03:08pm

re: #219 The Pie Overlord!

Then come to my house and find out, you smarmy felon.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:06:38pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:08:54pm

Why ski down when you can ski *and* float down!

Facebook Video

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:14:05pm
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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:15:13pm

re: #248 Joe Bacon 🌹

Google “Jeff Christie” and see the rumors…

done!

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:16:31pm

re: #251 teleskiguy

Hell hath frozen over. Willie Nelson has quit smoking weed

My wife read that headline and said ‘edibles.’

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:19:39pm

LoL! This guy isn’t pulling any punches.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:22:59pm

People are hip to the #fakeoutrage….

twitter.com

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uriel  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:24:34pm

Judge box-o-blush chimes in:

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:30:48pm

re: #262 uriel

Judge box-o-blush chimes in:

[Embedded content]

I prefer ‘Judge Cardboardeaux.’

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:38:06pm

Woah…huge if true….

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:38:33pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:40:36pm
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Mattand  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:41:08pm

So a few weeks ago, I posted about how my best friend’s son, a 19 year old college sophomore, appeared to be turning into a Trump-idolizing Young Republican.

Welp, looks like his journey to the Dark Side is 100%. This post popped up on my feed tonight:

That’s my response below the post.

I would imagine him being 19 and on the internet, I’ll be getting a response. Mine is going to be

“I’ve known you since you were a toddler and wish you nothing but the best. It’s up to you to decide what you want to do with your life, but I’m telling you now: this is a dark, dark road you’re going down. Be conservative all you want, but for God’s sake, make it rooted in reality.”

The corker is the kid is studying rhetoric and social media, and this is his model of reality and critical thinking.

I’m just so upset by all of this. He’s a 19 year old deciding that he wants the political and amoral views of a 60 year old modern day Republican. This shit is why I roll my eyes everything I hear how Gen Z, or whatever the group following the Millennials is called, is going to outright reject and bury the GOP.

Trump is literally the only President they’ve been aware of. They think this shit is normal. And that, above all else, is what scares me.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:41:26pm

Well, there’s two minutes of my life I’ll never get back. These assholes think this is the way *real life* works. The comments almost make up for this idiocy.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:43:02pm

re: #267 Mattand

They are so STUPID!

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:46:36pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:47:39pm

re: #268 teleskiguy

I don’t think that skit could even convince a conservative it was funny.

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gocart mozart  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:50:16pm
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calochortus  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:50:39pm

re: #271 jaunte

I don’t think that skit could even convince a conservative it was funny.

Possibly because it isn’t? It’s just sort of stupid.

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Mattand  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:52:32pm

re: #269 retired cynic

They are so STUPID!

I just hope he’s going through a phase. Thing is, when I was 19, two of my friends got hooked on listing to this jolly old fat guy on the radio making fun of hippies and liberals. Funniest thing they ever heard in their lives.

This was 1985, when Limbaugh was just getting rolling. Their view pretty much calcified right then and there. I’ve actually mentioned one of these guys before: my “independent since 2005” buddy who has always voted Republican for the past 34 years.

The other guy is actually worse, and that’s directly from the mouth of Captain Independent above.

For the sake of my friendship with this kid’s dad, I’m either going to mute or outright drop him. I keep looking at him, though, and looking at my acquaintances, and I don’t have high hopes.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:53:52pm

There’s Q-morons on the bench.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:55:05pm

re: #273 calochortus

Possibly because it isn’t? It’s just sort of stupid.

Perfectly targeted, then.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:55:45pm

re: #267 Mattand

So a few weeks ago, I posted about how my best friend’s son, a 19 year old college sophomore, appeared to be turning into a Trump-idolizing Young Republican.

Welp, looks like his journey to the Dark Side is 100%. This post popped up on my feed tonight:

[Embedded content]

That’s my response below the post.

I would imagine him being 19 and on the internet, I’ll be getting a response. Mine is going to be

The corker is the kid is studying rhetoric and social media, and this is his model of reality and critical thinking.

I’m just so upset by all of this. He’s a 19 year old deciding that he wants the political and amoral views of a 60 year old modern day Republican. This shit is why I roll my eyes everything I hear how Gen Z, or whatever the group following the Millennials is called, is going to outright reject and bury the GOP.

Trump is literally the only President they’ve been aware of. They think this shit is normal. And that, above all else, is what scares me.

Sorry about that friend. I know what you’re going through since I have multiple nephews and nieces who post the same thing.

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Mattand  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:00:34pm

re: #277 Joe Bacon 🌹

Sorry about that friend. I know what you’re going through since I have multiple nephews and nieces who post the same thing.

I just don’t fucking get it. Part of me thinks it’s just immaturity, but then part of me thinks that they really are looking at Trump and straight up enjoying the cruelty and childishness.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:02:06pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:04:54pm

Here is POS45 again, confessing to demanding bribes live on Twitter.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:08:43pm

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

Here is POS45 again, confessing to demanding bribes live on Twitter.

[Embedded content]

The stream of broken consciousness and constant tangential reference is getting worse.

He’s falling apart.

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calochortus  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:09:05pm

re: #277 Joe Bacon 🌹

Sorry about that friend. I know what you’re going through since I have multiple nephews and nieces who post the same thing.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:10:31pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:11:27pm
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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:13:58pm

re: #268 teleskiguy

Well, there’s two minutes of my life I’ll never get back. These assholes think this is the way *real life* works. The comments almost make up for this idiocy.

[Embedded content]

I went just for the comments! :)

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:18:53pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:19:46pm

re: #278 Mattand

I just don’t fucking get it. Part of me thinks it’s just immaturity, but then part of me thinks that they really are looking at Trump and straight up enjoying the cruelty and childishness.

They were raised in a Birch Church where the real God is Ayn Rand. All of them are devout disciples of Ayn AS IN MINE.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:27:36pm
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calochortus  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:38:04pm

re: #288 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

When I did my fieldwork for my Master’s thesis, part of it was at Camp Pendleton. Being totally military-culture-unaware I was really surprised that the beach had 4 restrooms. Men and Women for officers and the same for enlisted. They didn’t seem to have a separate set for civilians, so I just picked the closer one.

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:07:57pm

re: #278 Mattand

I just don’t fucking get it. Part of me thinks it’s just immaturity, but then part of me thinks that they really are looking at Trump and straight up enjoying the cruelty and childishness.

They are indeed enjoying their undeserved white supremacist superiority mindset. The feeling of being superior to everyone else simply because one falls out of the correct vagina is a defining characteristic of supremacists around the globe. It is not a mindset easily changed. If the supremacist’s environment is not changed before age 21 or so it is pretty much life-defining.

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John Hughes  Dec 5, 2019 • 7:25:09am

re: #233 Dread Pirate

The real Prime Minister of Iraq seems to be the IRGC-Quds Force commander

Because the post was handed to him by George W. Bush.

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John Hughes  Dec 5, 2019 • 7:31:26am

re: #249 BeachDem

Just because you named your daughter Chelsea doesn’t mean you gave birth to a Boston suburb.

Boston?

Chelsea is 120 miles from Boston, some suburb.

(Do I need to put some funny symbols for people to understand that this is a joke?)

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John Hughes  Dec 5, 2019 • 7:53:41am

re: #289 calochortus

Men and Women for officers and the same for enlisted. They didn’t seem to have a separate set for civilians, so I just picked the closer one.

Civilians are officers.


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