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Charles Johnson  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:21:15am
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Teukka  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:27:14am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Another “joke” (I mean, they have to see it as that, given that it’s been up around 12 hours now):

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HappyWarrior  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:27:22am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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It’s also not fucking funny.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:28:14am

re: #2 Teukka

Another “joke” (I mean, they’ll have to see it as that, given that it’s been up around 12 hours now):

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Nothing like a supposedly anti big government militia loser threatening people who might vote to impeach a big government fascist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:28:30am

If they lose, the GOP will not stop discrediting the election results. Hell, they discredited them even after they won…(“millions of illegal votes!”)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:29:36am

And yes the militiamen and women are losers. They’re a bunch of cowards who hide behind firearms and threats when they don’t get their way politically. They’re cowards who resemble the SA and SS in their disdain for the democratic process.

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Teukka  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:31:41am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

And yes the militiamen and women are losers. They’re a bunch of cowards who hide behind firearms and threats when they don’t get their way politically. They’re cowards who resemble the SA and SS in their disdain for the democratic process.

How dare you besmirch Codfearing patriots!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:32:57am

The President of the United States is calling the U.S. House of Representatives a Kangaroo Court:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:33:35am

A joke?
Well, okay. I wonder how much the incoming Democratic POTUS can get for the TV rights to the mass guillotinings and Christian/lion fights?

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:34:31am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

He is the con-man using every trick he can think of to draw attention somewhere else anywhere but him.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:36:50am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Given the pace of his cognitive and physical decline, there’s a room in the White House basement where Jarvanka, Uday, Qusay, Stephen “Joseph Goebbels” Miller and Bill “Hans Frank” Barr are orchestrating a Weekend at Bernies coup. (I’m only about 20% confident this is snark.)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:37:10am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

The President of the United States is calling the U.S. House of Representatives a Kangaroo Court:

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Once again there was no transcript. He’s lying again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:38:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:40:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:42:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:43:51am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The real question is why is the party of Ronald Reagan that prevailed in the Cold War willing to accept this kind of foreign interference in our elections?”

You mean Ukrainian meddling?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:48:11am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:48:42am
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Teddy's Person  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:49:04am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The real question is why is the party of Ronald Reagan that prevailed in the Cold War willing to accept this kind of foreign interference in our elections?”

On the domestic front, the party of Ronald Reagan has been using Cold War rhetoric to go after political rivals for a long time. Dems need to stop accepting the premise that Trump is some how an aberration in the Republican Party.

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BigPapa  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:49:40am

Remember how much distrust in the POTUS election results Trump sowed before he was actually elected. He didn’t believe he would win.

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plansbandc  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:50:44am

Oh dear.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:56:00am

re: #21 plansbandc

That reminds me of the Teletubbies who uttered the “f” word.

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Teukka  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:56:01am

Todays new expression for antivaxxers:
“Members of The League for the Humane Treatment of Pathogenic Lifeforms”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:56:08am
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Sherlock Hound  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:58:12am

re: #11 Teddy’s Person

Given the pace of his cognitive and physical decline, there’s a room in the White House basement where Jarvanka, Uday, Qusay, Stephen “Joseph Goebbels” Miller and Bill “Hans Frank” Barr are orchestrating a Weekend at Bernies coup. (I’m only about 20% confident this is snark.)

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I am 0% confident. Norman Spinrad’s “World War Last” has a Soviet premier, a dead leader, kept in power through animatronics. When Terri Schiavo was having her poor soul disfigured by the evangelicals years ago, I suggested that they would parade that poor woman in a motorized wheelchair and a “sentience” service dog. A cruel parody of life.

They will do the same with Trump. And they will get away with it. They already are.

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BigPapa  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:59:47am

re: #24 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’ve been thinking of my next foodie adventure that’ll get me rich with one weird trick: lava seared ahi steak.

The trick is finding a restaurant next to a volcano with a harbor close by. Once I figure that out I’ll be set.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:01:18am

Twitter may have responded.
His account does not show up for me anymore
twitter.com
JJ took a screengrab

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Teukka  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:02:09am

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Twitter may have responded.
His account does not show up for me anymore
twitter.com
JJ took a screengrab

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12 hours? More likely he got tired of the DM’s and mentions…

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Targetpractice  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:02:43am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Why are they willing? One word: “Power.” It is foreign influence that is benefiting them, either directly by promoting their candidates or indirectly by hurting their opponents. You can see that easily when you look at how hard they are projecting such onto Dems by accusing them of benefiting from “meddling” by Ukrainian officials.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:10:21am

Comrade Cruz.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:10:33am

re: #29 Targetpractice

Why are they willing? One word: “Power.” It is foreign influence that is benefiting them, either directly by promoting their candidates or indirectly by hurting their opponents. You can see that easily when you look at how hard they are projecting such onto Dems by accusing them of benefiting from “meddling” by Ukrainian officials.

If foreign influence were harming the GOP, they’d be screaming bloody murder 24/7.

Time to call it a night - up early for work tomorrow. Have a good one, Lizards.

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BigPapa  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:14:26am

Conservatism is un-American. There, I said it. It’s been pushing it’ opponents as un-American for decades with no push back. I will hold no quarter on this.

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Belafon  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:15:36am

re: #28 Teukka

12 hours? More likely he got tired of the DM’s and mentions…

Same difference as far as I am concerned.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:19:14am
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Teukka  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:20:45am

Comic relief:

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Belafon  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:21:27am

I don’t really care what Trump says when he loses. I care what we as citizens are going to do when he says anything or tries to do anything. The protests that will need to form just like they did right after his presidency.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:22:31am
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BigPapa  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:23:40am

re: #35 Teukka
This tells you all you need to know

Cats vs Dogs
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:24:41am

re: #36 Belafon

I don’t really care what Trump says when he loses. I care what we as citizens are going to do when he says anything or tries to do anything. The protests that will need to form just like they did right after his presidency.

He will dispute and discredit the outcome of the election, there will be militia unrest and outright violence in some regions. I hope that it will lead to minimal casualties, but the odds are nearly 100%.

Trump will then go on to face charges, probably not see prison time, but could likely lose most of his assets, which he will recoup with book deals and speaking engagements.

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plansbandc  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:25:17am
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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:25:36am
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Jay C  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:27:19am

re: #34 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

SRSLY? “It takes too much time”??

WTF else are these baffoons supposed to be doing there? I mean, it is the fucking SENATE and all….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:29:14am

re: #42 Jay C

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SRSLY? “It takes too much time”??

WTF else are these baffoons supposed to be doing there? I mean, it is the fucking SENATE and all….

working for Moscow

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Targetpractice  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:35:17am

re: #41 jaunte

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This is really why the poll numbers on impeachment have not decreased in the fashion that the Repubs hoped it would: They want voters to act as though it’s still 2016 and everybody is clueless about what kind of guy Donald Trump is. Nobody except their own base buys for a second that Trump gives a flying fuck about corruption, nor do they buy that Trump is above using his office to benefit himself (both in the financial and political sense).

But Trump will not allow them to acknowledge any fault on his part, just the act of suggesting that his actions were less than noble draws legions of flying monkeys down upon their heads. So they’re left with no choice but to try to bullshit voters into believing that a man who is crooked in ways that would make Nixon wretch is somehow a good steward of the taxpayer’s money and dedicated to rooting out corruption.

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Teukka  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:36:21am

Comic relief, part deux:

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Charles Johnson  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:36:30am
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Targetpractice  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:38:40am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

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Anybody else remember the 8 years of constant bitching by Repubs and “very serious people” that if Obama would just stand up and “lead,” then bills would sail through Congress and America’s problems would quickly be resolved?

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sagehen  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:45:12am

re: #32 BigPapa

Conservatism is un-American. There, I said it. It’s been pushing it’ opponents as un-American for decades with no push back. I will hold no quarter on this.

I think of it more as, a far-right faction has hijacked the “conservative” brand name, in service of policies that are very un-conservative.

The essence of conservatism, everywhere in the world and throughout history, has been attachment to the status quo. The American Revolution, the abolitionist movement, the women’s suffrage and civil rights movements, the introduction of Social Security and Medicare, gay marriage… every step of the way, the True Conservative position has been “let’s keep everything as is.”

Conservatives like what they’re used to. The only conservatives who supported any of the above-named things, was decades after the fact. Once it had been in place long enough to become the status quo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:47:29am

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Twitter may have responded.
His account does not show up for me anymore
twitter.com
JJ took a screengrab

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Charles Johnson  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:49:40am

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Unless Twitter has changed the message when someone is suspended, that means he deleted the account himself.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:49:44am
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sagehen  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:50:34am

re: #35 Teukka

Comic relief:

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(1997 novel)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:51:14am

re: #48 sagehen

I think of it more as, a far-right faction has hijacked the “conservative” brand name, in service of policies that are very un-conservative.

I have no problem with certain “conservative” principles like self-sufficiency, personal responsibility and a free market.

But I do not think that “self-sufficiency” means that individuals and families with limited resources should be expected to negotiate one-on-one with multi-billion-dollar international corporations for terms of employment, insurance coverage or financial services.

I also think that if we expect people, especially young people, to be responsible for themselves and their actions, we need to educate them on how their bodies work, and teach them how individuals are supposed to take part in civic society.

And I want to see a free market that benefits all participants: employers as well as workers, manufacturers as well as consumers, insurers as well as the insured.

I see none of those issues addressed by what calls itself “Conservatism” in the current sense.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:58:57am

With all of the craziness I have this weekend I decided to binge watch one season of Bob Ross. Just the thought of it is relaxing. :)

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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:00:06pm
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BigPapa  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:00:43pm

The whole concept of conservatism has been taken over by a zombie virus. It’s not a rational political party any more, it’s more of an anti-American conflaguration of theism, fascism, and white nationalism. It’s not a reasonable platform and hasn’t been for some time.

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calochortus  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:03:20pm

re: #54 PhillyPretzel

With all of the craziness I have this weekend I decided to binge watch one season of Bob Ross. Just the thought of it is relaxing. :)

I should be addressing envelopes for Christmas cards. (Why yes, I’m old. Why do you ask?) I’ve opted for lunch first, and just noticed that one of our PBS stations is showing a bunch of Great British Baking Show episodes, so that will encourage me to go do the addressing while I watch, because what is more conducive to the doing of minor tasks than watching people cooking things?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:07:04pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:12:38pm
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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:17:22pm
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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:18:01pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:20:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:21:50pm
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BigPapa  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:22:10pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

I actually spend 17 mins a day on the toilet. Mostly because/twitter.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:22:12pm

re: #20 BigPapa

He didn’t believe Russian interference would win.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:24:12pm
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BigPapa  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:26:30pm

This is the perfect metaphor for conservatism over the last 40 years:
Zombie Snails | World’s Deadliest

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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:26:55pm

Next, Trump will collect a thousand policemen who have smashed arrestees’ heads into the door frames of their cruisers, and treat them to a fast food buffet.

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plansbandc  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:29:27pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

That is absolutely terrifying. tRump’s SS is being assembled.

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steve_davis  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:33:23pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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that’s fine. there are a whole slew of people, including U.S. Treasury agents working as secret service, who will happily throw his ass out when the time comes. What is he going to do? Say “I’m not leaving. I contest the election”? Who cares? The new president will be sworn in and have full control of the military and the DOJ. He’ll be leaving, whether he wants to or not.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:35:13pm
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jeffreyw  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:38:29pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:39:39pm

re: #72 jeffreyw

Guinness Beef Stew

finally, a use for guinness!

for all the time I have spent in Irish pubs, I never developed a taste for the stuff

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BigPapa  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:41:50pm

re: #72 jeffreyw

Fuuuuukkkk! WANT.

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jeffreyw  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:41:58pm

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

finally, a use for guinness!

for all the time I have spent in Irish pubs, I never developed a taste for the stuff

In the last ten years or so I’ve bought a dozen bottles of dark beer, every drop has gone into a stew pot.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:43:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:47:20pm

re: #72 jeffreyw

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I’ve made that many times.

It Is Excellent

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:47:26pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

If Republicans are going to label an oped published by a foreigner as meddling, then they must explain how another foreigner showing up at a Trump rally & endorsing him is NOT meddling.

You don’t get the rules of the New Media Reality: The GOP does not need to explain anything, it only has to utter talking points that will be taken up, rationalized and defended by the media.

Of course the President can order any sort of investigation into foreign “corruption”, Trump is just the first and only one to totally bypass the normal channels and use his personal lawyer.

Because, his defenders will tell he was brilliant enough to do that to confound the Deep State…

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lizardofid  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:49:12pm

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

finally, a use for guinness!

for all the time I have spent in Irish pubs, I never developed a taste for the stuff

In the UK I’ll take a mild ale, Over your way, a nice Altbier!

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BigPapa  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:50:01pm

I’m down the wormhole again. Holy spaceballs Hiromo+Simon+Anthony just melts your face like a steak on hot cast iron. Crushing on Simon’s soloing of late.

Hiromi : The Trio Project - Dancando No Paraiso [Live In Marciac 2012]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:52:00pm

re: #79 lizardofid

In the UK I’ll take a mild ale, Over your way, a nice Altbier!

When I drank beer, I was just a Pils kinda guy, but beer in general just makes me feel bloated and that kinda ruins the enjoyment. More than a glass of wine with dinner gives me a sour stomach.

If I drink at all these days, it is clear spirits: vodka, tequila, gin or white rum

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steve_davis  Dec 8, 2019 • 12:53:17pm

re: #30 DodgerFan1988

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Comrade Cruz.

godammit, jennifer. no, you didn’t need an apostrophe.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:02:05pm

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You don’t get the rules of the New Media Reality: The GOP does not need to explain anything, it only has to utter talking points that will be taken up, rationalized and defended by the media.

Of course the President can order any sort of investigation into foreign “corruption”, Trump is just the first and only one to totally bypass the normal channels and use his personal lawyer.

Because, his defenders will tell he was brilliant enough to do that to confound the Deep State…

Trump’s acolytes believe that all departments of government should be purged of those loyal to the Constitution and replaced by Trump acolytes. They literally believe that those with experience and knowledge (i.e. “unelected bureaucrats”) need to be removed if they don’t follow every demand of the dictator-in-chief. They adore CEO’s of privately run companies because these people have that power and the worst (e.g. Trump) are contemptuous of those employees with independence.

But this is nothing new — my memory is faulty but “Imperial Life in The Emerald City: Inside Iraq’s Green Zone” by Chandrasekaran over a decade ago dealt with how the Bush administration, instead of sending Iraq experts to Iraq after the war instead found those who shared their ideology, even on issues such as abortion. So, as others have said, this rot has infested the Republican Party for a long time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:05:47pm

re: #83 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump’s acolytes believe that all departments of government should be purged of those loyal to the Constitution and replaced by Trump acolytes. They literally believe that those with experience and knowledge (i.e. “unelected bureaucrats”) need to be removed if they don’t follow every demand of the dictator-in-chief.

They are the Deep State, organized by Obama and financed by Soros, and out to undermine the results of the 2016 election and install a Secular Humanist, Sharia Law Caliphate.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:07:08pm

re: #82 steve_davis

godammit, jennifer. no, you didn’t need an apostrophe.

Who among us hasn’t accidentally misplaced an apostrophe because they posted before reading carefully? My mistakes have often been a result of rewriting part of a sentence and not realizing soon enough that, in the new context, additional words must be replaced

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steve_davis  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:13:08pm

re: #48 sagehen

I think of it more as, a far-right faction has hijacked the “conservative” brand name, in service of policies that are very un-conservative.

The essence of conservatism, everywhere in the world and throughout history, has been attachment to the status quo. The American Revolution, the abolitionist movement, the women’s suffrage and civil rights movements, the introduction of Social Security and Medicare, gay marriage… every step of the way, the True Conservative position has been “let’s keep everything as is.”

Conservatives like what they’re used to. The only conservatives who supported any of the above-named things, was decades after the fact. Once it had been in place long enough to become the status quo.

Republicans are not conservative. They have simply taken the label as one of convenience. They are radical agrarian populists.

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steve_davis  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:15:38pm

re: #54 PhillyPretzel

With all of the craziness I have this weekend I decided to binge watch one season of Bob Ross. Just the thought of it is relaxing. :)

I discovered 9 seasons of something called “Shameless” on Netflix. I’m hooked after one episode, so this is gonna be a really well-timed break from on-ground classes.

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Jay C  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:28:44pm

re: #67 BigPapa

This is the perfect metaphor for conservatism over the last 40 years:
Zombie Snails | World’s Deadliest

Link doesn’t seem to work.
Revenge Of The Zombie Snails??

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BigPapa  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:32:59pm

Zombie Snails | World’s Deadliestre: #88 Jay C

Link doesn’t seem to work.>

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:34:09pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:34:59pm
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Belafon  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:35:21pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:38:50pm

re: #87 steve_davis

I discovered 9 seasons of something called “Shameless” on Netflix. I’m hooked after one episode, so this is gonna be a really well-timed break from on-ground classes.

Which Shameless, the original UK series, or the US reboot?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:42:38pm
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mmmirele  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:45:25pm

I laughed hard with John Oliver’s SantaCon, because of two callouts:

* one at 2:55 where he got onto Scientology and asked the leader, “Where’s Shelly?” twice.
* one just after the four minute mark where he describes a SantaCon sexual act taking place in a Wells Fargo ATM room at 10:45 am in the morning.

Yes, I laughed and laughed. Just hearing him go off on David Miscavige made all those days of protesting COMPLETELY WORTH IT.

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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:45:31pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:47:33pm

Look up “Andrew Johnson” you tuchasloch

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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:48:02pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:52:20pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:58:03pm

I thought they were supposed to do a manned flight

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:58:21pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: “The real question is why is the party of Ronald Reagan that prevailed in the Cold War willing to accept this kind of foreign interference in our elections?”

electoral-vote.com yesterday:

Trying to be diplomatic and soft-pedal it would just waste everyone’s time, so we’re going to come right out with it: Trump, his family, his base, and much of the GOP establishment that supports him are enormous hypocrites.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 8, 2019 • 1:59:18pm

I am getting increasingly uncomfortable with how the Sanders and Warren factions in the Democratic party have forced certain ideas as litmus tests, in light of where we are at with Donald Trump and destruction of good government.

How decent people like Beto, or Harris, get run out of the election process but flakes and buy-ins get to go on.

I came across on Facebook today another thread, lamenting on the loss of Harris from the race, in which certain factions have chimed in with the basic Kamala-is-cop slur.

I’m also uncomfortable with calling Pete a “Republican”, which he most certainly isn’t.

I am convinced that Biden is too old, Sanders is just wrong for the job, and Warren may mean well with some important social issues but she is so type-cast by the right-wing and Trump-machine that she is entering Hillary territory in becoming just a projection of whatever the election-industry (which is about money) will want to make of her.

There is a naiveté among so many young progressives, that think that being more progressive means more important stuff will be done.

But that is not how our society works. When I lamented Obama for not be ideological enough, I meant it, in that he was good with the machinery of government but not willing to tackle the deep emotional and dogmatic problems.

It’s fine to be all socialist and what not, but that is not enough. You have to get elected (as Obama recently pointed out.)

And humans are only “rational” in the economic sense and even then economists have a theoretical model of humans that fail in the details. If humans were perfectly rational we wouldn’t have civilizations collapse down through time, and tyrants wouldn’t be adored by populations.

America is the land of the religious . The “nones” are just anti-labels or anti-committed to a local congregation; they are no more rational just because they are “nones”.

I fear that what happened to Hillary will happen to Warren. And I am afraid that many self-declared progressives think it is some noble thing to be pure but lose an election.

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BeachDem  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:00:46pm

re: #97 The Pie Overlord!

Look up “Andrew Johnson” you tuchasloch

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Does Paul Gigot not know the difference between who’s and whose, or is that all Donny? (obviously sentence structure is beyond both of them)

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:01:42pm

re: #30 DodgerFan1988

prove it

- well we need to investigate to prove it.

NO. prove it.
you cant because you have nothing
no smoke
no fire
just meaningless, baseless conspiratorial nonsense and inuendo

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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:01:43pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:02:37pm

re: #102 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Seems to me the Dems have an ememy in Trump, but the real obstacle is the far left split with the moderates. Indy moderates and Dem moderates.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:05:06pm

re: #41 jaunte

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meadows: Questions like this make the false assumption that @realDonaldTrump had political motives. That’s not accurate. It’s not supported by the evidence.

PROVE that was the thinking at the time

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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:06:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:07:09pm

re: #97 The Pie Overlord!

Look up “Andrew Johnson” you tuchasloch

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Since actual Articles of Impeachment haven’t been written or presented for a vote, no actual broken laws have been cited yet.

But an orange moron wouldn’t know that

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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:07:21pm

re: #107 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Meadows should prove Trump ever did something that didn’t benefit himself or his family.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:08:30pm

re: #55 Dread Pirate

also why you dont use the actual ambassador to ukraine

and a nongovernmental, “personal attorney”

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:11:04pm

re: #70 steve_davis

that’s fine. there are a whole slew of people, including U.S. Treasury agents working as secret service, who will happily throw his ass out when the time comes. What is he going to do? Say “I’m not leaving. I contest the election”? Who cares? The new president will be sworn in and have full control of the military and the DOJ. He’ll be leaving, whether he wants to or not.

period
full stop

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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:12:02pm

Fresno Bee has thoughts on their supposed representative:

Devin Nunes’ blind allegiance to Trump is the real danger to the republic

“…As the ranking Republican on the powerful House Intelligence Committee, Nunes holds one of the top posts in Congress. Nunes should have disclosed to his committee colleagues that he had those phone calls last spring. One expert on government ethics took it a step further and said Nunes should have recused himself from the impeachment hearings, rather than acting as No. 1 Trump defender.

To advance the cause of getting at the truth, Nunes should come clean on the phone calls and tell the House what was discussed. He should also provide travel records to debunk the charge that he met in Vienna last December with the Ukrainian to get information that might hurt Biden; Nunes says he was in Libya and Malta.

Short of that, his actions continue to reduce him to being a mere partisan — the label with which he loves to tarnish his Democrat colleagues. Meanwhile, his 22nd District has critical needs, like easing the trade war challenges with China for farmers and helping those struggling in poverty. On such issues, Nunes has been absent; he’s been traveling to Europe.

amp.fresnobee.com

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:12:25pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:12:51pm

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

finally, a use for guinness!

for all the time I have spent in Irish pubs, I never developed a taste for the stuff

ambrosia
virtually the only beer i drink

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:16:16pm

re: #102 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

And then there’s Tulsi…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:19:03pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:20:51pm

re: #97 The Pie Overlord!

hey Don,
aside from the fact that there actually are criminal statutes, and they’ve been quoted, ever read the constitution?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:23:36pm

re: #108 Dread Pirate

im thinking this entire bozonic ‘defense’ is a huge post hoc ergo propter hoc

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:24:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:32:17pm

re: #119 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

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im thinking this entire bozonic ‘defense’ is a huge post hoc ergo propter hoc

It’s not and Cruz knows this but he knows Trump and the R base don’t. This is all a bunch of bullshit from a bunch of cowards too chickenshit to stand up to Trump.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:33:47pm

re: #91 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s okay. That is North Dakota’s loss.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:40:46pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:40:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:43:46pm

re: #124 Patricia Kayden

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He really has no idea how a functional democracy works.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:47:23pm
House Intelligence Committee ranking member Devin Nunes (R-CA) told Fox News that it was “sickening” that Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) had obtained his phone records as part of the House’s impeachment inquiry.

see, this is the lie.

NOBODY obtained nunes’s phone records as part of the house impeachment inquiry - or in any other way

they obtained parnas’s phone records - by lawful subpoena
nunes just happened to be talking with him.
big mistake on his part.
for example, know who has no contact with parnas? all the dem candidates running for president, plus millions of other people, including, im guessing the entire dem house and most of the R’s too.

dont talk to people who might be tapped or whose records might be subpoenad

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:49:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:51:03pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Fucking wankers.

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Jay C  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:51:13pm

re: #122 Patricia Kayden

That’s okay. That is North Dakota’s loss.

True: but not even that much of a loss. The disgusting thing is that, despite the stock faux-“concern” about stressing social services, etc: the county commission’s decision (and we can guess what Party these “concerned” officials belong to) is based on an astonishingly small number:

Shirley Dykshoorn, a vice president for Lutheran Social Services, which handles all of North Dakota’s refugee resettlement cases, said her agency used to handle about 400 cases per year, but that number dropped to 124 in fiscal 2019, which ended in September. The program has been in existence in North Dakota since 1948.

LSS settled 24 refugees in Bismarck in fiscal 2019, after settling 22 in fiscal 2018. Dykshoorn said Burleigh County had been projected to get no more than 25 refugees annually in the coming years.

“We always look at the capacity of a community to handle these,” she said.

“I’m trying to understand the basis for believing how 25 people will dramatically change the fabric of a community,” she said. “What does it say to the rest of the country when a county where your capital city is located would choose not to participate?”

So Bismarck, ND: a city of 73,000+; 132.000+ in the metro area: in one of the most sparsely-populated and employment-starved states in the Union: doesn’t think it can handle an extra TWENTY-FIVE people PER YEAR????

What DOES that say (besides the obvious)??

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:51:50pm

Is it too early for this? Shiny new release.

Iframe

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:54:09pm

re: #130 Rightwingconspirator

Is it too early for this? Shiny new release.

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Dale Watson - Drink Drink Drink

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:56:34pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:57:14pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:58:12pm

Not to let Florida win with the thrift store ‘assault rifle in the baby shower gift’

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 2:59:04pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:00:46pm

re: #135 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

May he Rest In Peace.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:01:41pm

Belly full of leftover pasta.
The coach is calling

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:04:28pm

re: #135 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Aw, man. That sucks.

I loved him as Odo. Underrated actor IMO.

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retired cynic  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:14:41pm

re: #52 sagehen

(1997 novel)

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I enjoyed her books. She didn’t write enough!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:18:32pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

He really has no idea how a functional democracy works.

Why should he care? His plan is to transform us into a kleptocracy run by oligarchs and he seems very adept at working toward that goal, supported by tens of millions of our fellow Americans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:26:20pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I am half Roma and while I will always point out that there is an obvious distinction between Roma, Travellers, and Tinkers (they are not the same cultural or ethnic groups—OTOH, “Gypsy” is kind of an all-purpose smear word for all groups), I will not stand for criminalizing any specific group just because of who they are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:27:33pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

and Ms Patel needs to watch her back because her ethnic group will be next

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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:31:29pm
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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:32:08pm

re: #135 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s too bad. I ran into him once at a movie theater where i worked … well, walked into him is maybe more accurate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:33:07pm

re: #98 jaunte

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:37:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:37:29pm

Yikes, Trump is binging out on Twitter again. It’s still fucking weird and disturbing to see a POTUS acting like this.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:38:59pm

re: #138 Eclectic Cyborg

Aw, man. That sucks.

I loved him as Odo. Underrated actor IMO.

I met him a couple of times. Very nice guy.

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BeachDem  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:41:57pm

Something nice—a video that Ron Dellums’ daughter made about her dad (it’s long, but hey—there’s a Dick Cavett interview with John and Yoko in it!)

RVD_Powerful Words

IQhGZYp8tDQ6PL0Z7aOR5xCHYpfUmTMYon9/2TqAi+YOsrsUTiCw2/vIvwuACGBV710fBLnves1YCkKEnbadsPUg1LwOA/yeAwytqgzUV6YkxcuQapSEN76uFTQvuPpW8RsPROTw/e4Nc7FQnV2TOilA1hadGZwhECMcjeZpNPSMlOjdgireTFCMB0z4JB48fe7a/4516WG0A6W1O08KE4rG2UVWWta9e/+NIe7sQWpdfVVOZH9qLv+KydTkD2Ls0XlRmnhF+N/of1eIUSVzqIhbmbTD4qVlzjvpQzMNCWUsECzrvW88eh5a4A9IsbtFY1jYCg9AzZiMsV75ghbu9h0XJjhu5BXM9P9f/q0P2C+OGgkC9kBySn7r6Fif4kWOT6NjJUjZjZ5To8/7VC45xx4HD+z5zQt84TVa2El70SX6suDNrNjQ/EmhHy1l7Cr0tMtKQkbNhEk79xyOraVQhQ==

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Belafon  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:45:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:48:44pm

re: #150 Belafon

This is me wondering why the fuck a Confederate group should be in a Christmas production to begin with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:51:13pm
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retired cynic  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:51:24pm

Juanita Jean says good news from Texas: “Now, the good news: Texas Democrats, for the first time in a long damn time, have someone running in every congressional seat.”

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:53:49pm

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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 3:58:02pm

Fucking pathetic snowflakes.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:09:51pm

re: #143 jaunte

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:10:36pm

re: #155 Dread Pirate

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Fucking pathetic snowflakes.

This is the Trump way — suing people who criticize him, since many do not have the financial resources to rebut his absurd claims and so he is allowed to get away with silencing the opposition. And most Trumpsters are fine with that.

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steve_davis  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:18:20pm

re: #93 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Which Shameless, the original UK series, or the US reboot?

the reboot. the first episode was quite good.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:18:53pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:21:15pm
Auberjonois appeared many times at the Mark Taper Forum, notably as Malvolio in Twelfth Night.

He was fantastic. The Mark Taper is one of the best venues in LA.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:21:31pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

If you don’t want to wind up on a criminal’s call record you probably shouldn’t call him.

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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:21:40pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:22:40pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:23:20pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:24:33pm

re: #161 Dread Pirate

If you don’t want to wind up on a criminal’s call record you probably shouldn’t call him.

One really massive clue that these records are only available because of Parnas’ cooperation is we have no idea who Fruman was talking to and we don’t have any of Nunes’ calls to anybody else.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:33:35pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:53:14pm

I am so goddamned busy until the end of the year. That’s why I took my wife to see “Knives Out” this afternoon (and I saw Motherless Brooklyn two weeks ago and The Irishman last week). “Knives Out” was so much fun. Daniel Craig was chewing up his role. The entire cast was great. Don Johnson, Jamie Lee Curtis, etc. Highly recommended (and don’t do what I did when we were back in the car afterward: “well, there was one kind of big problem with the….” Wife: “shut it! we just enjoy the experience we just had.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:53:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:55:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 8, 2019 • 4:59:24pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:00:50pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

I personally think it is an excellent example that we should seriously consider for the upcoming elections.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:01:02pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:01:43pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:04:45pm
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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:08:33pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am involved with spreading the sport of disc golf into Europe. This is not surprising.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:11:56pm

re: #173 The Pie Overlord!

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Now just imagine if Obama had said that. Republicans would be foaming at the mouth and a they would vote to impeach first thing Monday morning!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:36:46pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:39:44pm

They are still laughing at him.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:45:33pm

When it rains, it pours.

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b.d. (Lock Him Up!)  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:48:17pm

re: #179 Dread Pirate

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When it rains, it pours.

Rudy has turned into our own little Rasputin.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 8, 2019 • 5:59:57pm

re: #180 b.d. (Lock Him Up!)

Probably arranged for a brain slug to be put in place under Trumps toupe.

Poor thing is probably starving, hallucinating, or both.
//

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:00:55pm

Sally Mann wins The Internet. That is all.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:04:13pm
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William Lewis  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:09:56pm

So the first trailer for WW1984 has dropped and I feel like I’m back in the 1AD in Illeshiem, West Germany in a way. Cold War vibes… and ghosts.

Wonder Woman 1984 – Official Trailer

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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:16:43pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:19:56pm

re: #183 Dread Pirate

Good for Denmark. More countries have to stand up to Trump’s bullying. He can get away with foolishness here but not overseas.

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Belafon  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:21:34pm

re: #185 jaunte

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:23:45pm

Hanukkah FAIL

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Decatur Deb  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:27:11pm

Quote from RAF crewman Frank Tilley on the sinking of the Tirpitz:

“I think all war is dreadful, but if it came again, we’d have to do the same again. You couldn’t have the Nazis in charge, could you? No way! “
imdb.com

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:28:11pm

re: #183 Dread Pirate

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Decatur Deb  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:43:08pm

Stuck in a cycle of 1-2 hours naps around the clock because of this freaking ankle cast. 2 more days and a wake-up. At least I’m catching up on horror movies and documentaries.

Next up: a remake of the Elizabeth Bathory story in which a descendant is hired to teach a fundie school’s abstinence-only sex-ed, assuring a supply of virgin blood.

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retired cynic  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:45:19pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

snork!

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:48:39pm

The only way this statement can be true is if he knows he will be impeached, convicted & REMOVED FROM OFFICE G-D willing

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:51:16pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

Stuck in a cycle of 1-2 hours naps around the clock because of this freaking ankle cast. 2 more days and a wake-up. At least I’m catching up on horror movies and documentaries.

Next up: a remake of the Elizabeth Bathory story in which a descendant is hired to teach a fundie school’s abstinence-only sex-ed, assuring a supply of virgin blood.

Ouch! When I first had my spinal injury, I couldn’t get more than four hours at a time, and that was bad enough. Two sounds much worse. Hope there’s no problem past those two days!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:53:50pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

Stuck in a cycle of 1-2 hours naps around the clock because of this freaking ankle cast. 2 more days and a wake-up. At least I’m catching up on horror movies and documentaries.

Next up: a remake of the Elizabeth Bathory story in which a descendant is hired to teach a fundie school’s abstinence-only sex-ed, assuring a supply of virgin blood.

That sounds familiar from my first couple of nights after spinal surgery. I hope you can find some rest soon. Sleep deprivation … really fucks with a person.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:54:52pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 6:59:35pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:02:41pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:03:58pm

re: #198 Dread Pirate

Going to be a lot of lawyers in the good representative’s future.

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uriel  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:08:54pm

re: #133 Patricia Kayden

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:11:17pm
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Cheechako  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:12:41pm

re: #198 Dread Pirate

That guy needs a brighter bulb. 4 watts ain’t cuttin’ it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:17:50pm

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

Like this

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retired cynic  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:19:03pm

re: #203 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Like this

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How dare she work for a living for 30 years?

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:19:46pm
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makeitstop  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:21:20pm

Good question.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:24:21pm

re: #203 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Like this

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Goddamned Presstitute…

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:25:50pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:28:44pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:30:11pm

THIS THREAD

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:42:19pm
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retired cynic  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:44:25pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

I do believe a fair number of us in that category would be considered boomers, actually. I remember the crouch in the hallway and under the desk drills…

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William Lewis  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:45:58pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

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I remember thinking that it was good to join the army during Reagan’s first term because if he succeeded in starting WWIII I could die quick and clean in a burning tank rather than from the fallout.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:51:45pm

re: #192 retired cynic

snork!

Snork Snork!


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