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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:35:39pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:43:17pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 7:55:57pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 8:03:07pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 8:14:02pm

re: #3 Dread Pirate

Hmm, seems like the start of “Ring of Fire” season

If Avachinsky has a major eruption it could cause some serious problems in Alaska, with their heavy reliance on aviation

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jaunte  Dec 8, 2019 • 8:29:05pm
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Belafon  Dec 8, 2019 • 8:31:07pm

From the previous thread:

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Belafon  Dec 8, 2019 • 8:34:28pm

Also from the previous thread:

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

You would think this would make a lot more Gen-Xers sympathetic to what school kids having to do active shooter drills are going through, but far too many around me just go along with the more guns idea

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Belafon  Dec 8, 2019 • 8:35:40pm

re: #8 Belafon

Reload

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 8, 2019 • 8:38:37pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 8, 2019 • 8:52:08pm

re: #7 Belafon

From the previous thread:

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Whoa. I tried watching that. I was going nuts.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 8:56:21pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 8, 2019 • 8:58:56pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 8, 2019 • 9:05:35pm

re: #12 Dread Pirate

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Sorry, Doug, but a lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on Nadler’s. If you can’t read 50 pages in 3 days, then you’ve got serious issues and should consider resigning.

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BeachDem  Dec 8, 2019 • 9:15:23pm

re: #4 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Great art—they couldn’t even spell Epstein correctly.

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Targetpractice  Dec 8, 2019 • 9:20:44pm

But speaking of Collins’ plea, anybody else notice that all that Repub bravado about how impeachment would be a fatal mistake for the Dems and would just ensure Trump’s reelection are suddenly very reluctant to take any votes unless we drag all this another few months?

I won’t discount the possibility that they think there’s some sort of political strategy to keeping all this going well into next year, but you’d think if impeachment was such a killer to the Dem’s hopes for November, that the Repubs would be champing at the bit to get this all over with so they can spend as much time as possible reminding the country that the Dems impeached Trump.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 8, 2019 • 9:23:15pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

Impeachment working it ways through right around Christmas would be a sort of 1-2 punch if Trump opts to try to shut down the government as well. Wouldn’t surprise me if he thinks refusing to sign off on another continuing resolution will somehow shut Congress down as well.

Maybe that’s why he’s been assembling his crack non-governmental diplomatic team to cover things in the interim.
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 8, 2019 • 9:28:45pm

An absentee landlord owner of one of the condo units in another building in the community had a leaking toilet valve. The tenant told him about it before vacating the unit but the landlord didn’t do anything about it for some time. Apparently he just learned that he’s around $100K underinsured for damages to both his and his neighbor’s unit.

He’s not happy.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 8, 2019 • 9:34:54pm

Blood Countess update was far better than it might have been; running gags about Simone de Beauvoir, 1st/2nd wave feminism, and Occupy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 8, 2019 • 9:43:34pm

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Blood Countess update was far better than it might have been; running gags about Simone de Beauvoir, 1st/2nd wave feminism, and Occupy.

If you want a bizarre movie to watch try Plan 10 From Outer Space!

Plan 10 From Outer Space

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Decatur Deb  Dec 8, 2019 • 9:48:39pm

re: #20 Joe Bacon 🌹

One better than Plan 9?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 8, 2019 • 9:49:31pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

One better than Plan 9?

True Fact!

It was advertised as…”having NOTHING to do with Plan 9!”

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:08:15pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:17:16pm

.. a slip of the fingers.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:19:39pm

re: #24 Dread Pirate

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.. a slip of the fingers.

There was an admittedly suspect article in D Kos in November. Suggest an embargo on lame sarcasm for the duration.

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Jay C  Dec 8, 2019 • 10:56:40pm

re: #15 BeachDem

Great art—they couldn’t even spell Epstein correctly.

“Artistic License”

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:03:29pm

Well, good night, all. See you bright and early for the impeachment hearings.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:14:38pm
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uriel  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:33:12pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Ok, I’m confused- is this cheese and meat an actual thing? Or is it some weird joke?

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Dread Pirate  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:38:59pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 8, 2019 • 11:52:45pm

re: #29 uriel

Ok, I’m confused- is this cheese and meat an actual thing? Or is it some weird joke?

Just me being weird. It’s the way so much of our media just bends over backwards to deceptively frame stories against certain women who look like they could both actually win and might upset the system.

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uriel  Dec 9, 2019 • 12:04:26am

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Just me being weird. It’s the way so much of our media just bends over backwards to deceptively frame stories against certain women who look like they could both actually win and might upset the system.

Ok- whew! I was worried the national discourse had taken more crazy-pills than usual!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2019 • 12:25:53am
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2019 • 12:26:45am

Shit

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 9, 2019 • 12:59:23am

More boomer nostalgia:

Synthetics Plastics Company or SPC of Newark, New Jersey was a plastics manufacturing company that made various items made of plastic including children’s records and budget music albums.

[…] Daniel and Louis Kasen owned several subsidiaries music labels including Ambassador Records, Parade, Prom, Promenade, Pirouette, Guest Star, Power Records and Diplomat Records, whose motto was “Fine records need not be expensive”.

In 1950, the American Music Performance Trust Fund challenged Synthetic for not paying royalties. A spokesman said that Peter Pan records were designed purely for home use and therefore there was no reason to pay contributions to the fund.

[…]

Nothing is more American than exploitation.

Anyway, here is one of their nondescript products, as a memory of Christmas past:

𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐃𝐢𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐦𝐚𝐭 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐦𝐚𝐬 𝐎𝐫𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐚 & 𝐂𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐮𝐬 / 𝐁𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐋𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐝 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐦𝐚𝐬 𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐬 / 𝟏

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Teukka  Dec 9, 2019 • 1:07:12am

Did this cartoon get posted yet?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 1:15:00am

re: #30 Dread Pirate

“Over the last three years, the United States has boosted defense spending by more than $139 billion, from $611 billion in 2016 to a near-record $750 billion in 2019. And that was after Trump called the military budget ‘crazy’ in 2018.”

And how much of that increase went to the troops in the form of wages, benefits or housing/recreational facilities?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 1:16:44am


PSA: it’s 2019. There is no excuse for reporters and editors not to have a professional level of awareness of how readers consume news. If you don’t put pivotal information - like the fact that the $2M was over 30 years - in the headline and tweet, you’re misleading readers.

That is not lack of awareness, that is full awareness and an agenda

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Dread Pirate  Dec 9, 2019 • 1:17:21am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And how much of that increase went to the troops in the form of wages, benefits or housing/recreational facilities?

That money is now a future wall on the southern border.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 1:18:30am

re: #39 Dread Pirate

That money is now a future wall on the southern border.

That was kind of my point.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 9, 2019 • 1:19:47am

Canada should be there, too. Somebody needs to represent the Western NATO.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 3:15:03am

Complete irrelevant to politics or anything else, but I pimped my G-Shock in solid stainless steel with a kit I ordered online. Love it.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 3:38:17am

Rene Auberjonois has passed away at the age of 79. Many Lizards here will no doubt remember him as Odo from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, one of his most memorable roles. I also recall him from Benson and as the original Father Francis Mulcahy from the 1970 film M*A*S*H.

RIP.

washingtonpost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 3:42:11am

re: #43 Dr Lizardo

Rene Auberjonois has passed away at the age of 79. Many Lizards here will no doubt remember him as Odo from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, one of his most memorable roles. I also recall him from Benson and as the original Father Francis Mulcahy from the 1970 film M*A*S*H.

RIP.

Also recall him from The Patriot and a guest role in Star Trek Enterprise

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 3:50:26am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Also recall him from The Patriot and a guest role in Star Trek Enterprise

He was quite a prolific actor; his filmography is impressive. He’s certainly left us with a fine legacy as a performer.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 3:59:11am

Well, I’m thinking Putin’s not gonna like this one damn bit.

The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has imposed a four-year ban on Russia from all global sport, including the 2020 Olympics and the 2022 World Cup finals.

WADA’s executive committee took the decision after concluding Moscow had tampered with laboratory data.

The agency found Russia planted fake evidence and deleted files linked to positive doping tests that could have helped identify drug cheats.

Russia has 21 days to appeal the decision through the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

news.sky.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:05:11am

re: #46 Dr Lizardo

I was about to post on that. Someone should ask Trump about it… just to see what he says.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:06:59am

re: #47 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I was about to post on that. Someone should ask Trump about it… just to see what he says.

Maybe Trump can grant them a Presidential Pardon…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:07:34am

Corbyn is such a failure for the Labour party, if they can’t make ground on the Tories given Johnson and the Brexit follies:

UK’s Johnson ahead but polls suggest majority might be tough

The failure of Corbyn and his gang to take a stand and present a powerful case for the UK’s future has to be one of Labour’s great failures during my lifetime.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:07:40am

re: #47 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I was about to post on that. Someone should ask Trump about it… just to see what he says.

Heh.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:09:36am

re: #49 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Corbyn is such a failure for the Labour party, if they can’t make ground on the Tories given Johnson and the Brexit follies:

UK’s Johnson ahead but polls suggest majority might be tough

The failure of Corbyn and his gang to take a stand and present a powerful case for the UK’s future has to be one of Labour’s great failures during my lifetime.

I really can’t help but think that any other Labour leader would be well on their way to a landslide victory - the complete incompetence of the Tories is utterly breathtaking.

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steve_davis  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:13:06am

re: #3 Dread Pirate

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This, by the way, is how Pliny the Elder died. Granted, he was trying to rescue friends rather than just engaging in catastrophe tourism, and it’s probably embarrassing for him in the Virtuous Plain to have to wear the name tag that says “Pliny…no, the OTHER one.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:14:53am

UK opinion polls tracker: Tories on course to win with their biggest majority since Thatcher

Understand that the Tories are only in majority relationship with the DUP currently.

If the Tories win enough seats to be an outright majority, then something has gone horribly wrong with the political parties Labour and Liberals.

Note that the Tories can get less than 50% of the national vote but still be a majority in Parliament, for many of the same reasons that Trump won in 2016. The anti-Tory regions are very anti-Tory but they are mostly urban centers. So what if Labour carries certain constituencies by vast majorities, if the Tories take many seats by small margins.

It’s like here in California, where the GOP is now obsolete. Yet no matter how many millions of votes Trump will lose by here in California, if he wins PA and WI and IA by a few hundred votes, Trump will get re-elected.

I know many of us feel skipped over by candidates who don’t visit our areas, but the Democratic party has to concentrate on carrying 5 states in the next election: FL, PA, NC, WI, and IA. Deny Trump those and he can’t be President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:20:19am

re: #49 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Corbyn is such a failure for the Labour party, if they can’t make ground on the Tories given Johnson and the Brexit follies:

UK’s Johnson ahead but polls suggest majority might be tough

The failure of Corbyn and his gang to take a stand and present a powerful case for the UK’s future has to be one of Labour’s great failures during my lifetime.

He has the UK press fully against him, making him out to be a terrorist sympathizer and anti-Semite.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:22:41am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He has the UK press fully against him, making him out to be a terrorist sympathizer and anti-Semite.

Good point. The British press has pretty much portrayed Corbyn as nothing less than the second coming of Mao Zedong.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:23:41am

re: #53 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s like here in California, where the GOP is now obsolete. Yet no matter how many millions of votes Trump will lose by here in California, if he wins PA and WI and IA by a few hundred votes, Trump will get re-elected.

I know many of us feel skipped over by candidates who don’t visit our areas, but the Democratic party has to concentrate on carrying 5 states in the next election: FL, PA, NC, WI, and IA. Deny Trump those and he can’t be President.

I recall Michael Moore writing an article that I originally dismissed in 2016: all Trump had to do was to carry all the states that Romney carried in 2012 (no problem there) plus PA, MI, WI and OH, and he would have enough electoral votes even without Florida.

And the GOP concentrated their efforts (both legitimate and illegitimate) in those states and won.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:24:32am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well, the Conservative party has had it’s own disinformation campaign going, full on dog-whistle type, showing that the Tories are becoming for Trump-y than some may have thought:

Would a Labour government mean an extra murder a week?

Claim
A Labour government would mean 52 more murders and 146 more sexual assaults or rapes a year, the equivalent of an additional murder every single week

Background
The Conservative research department, the same body that brought the widely-derided claims that a Labour government would oversee a surge in net migration to 840,000 a year and that Labour’s spending plans would cost £1.2 trillion over five years, has issued findings that it claims show a Labour government would make Britain’s streets less safe.

[…]

It is the same old scare mongering over immigrants used by right-wing populists since forever.

Here it is all about brown people.

In the UK I suspect that the fear of foreigners is spread around Eastern European and North African migrants.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:25:02am

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

Good point. The British press has pretty much portrayed Corbyn as nothing less than the second coming of Mao Zedong.

He is as big a threat to their established class system as Mao Zedong ever was…

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:27:49am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is as big a threat to their established class system as Mao Zedong ever was…

Yeah, fair enough, he is. A Corbyn premiership would sure as hell shake things up.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:28:39am

re: #57 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

There’s definitely a lot of anti-Slavic and anti-Muslim sentiment. I noticed that before the Brexit vote.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:28:46am

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, fair enough, he is. A Corbyn premiership would sure as hell shake things up.

mass collectivization and re-education camps…

Sharia Law in all major urban centers

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:29:07am

For all you speculators out there, now may be a really good time to short the Pound:

Pound extends rally on expectations of Conservative win in UK election

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:34:54am

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

There’s definitely a lot of anti-Slavic and anti-Muslim sentiment. I noticed that before the Brexit vote.

The Anti Slavic sentiment by the Brit far right reminds me of the Anti Hispanic here.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:35:18am

I’ve been cynical of the UK social/political system for some time. Even back a couple of years when the Scottish independence movement was trying to heat up, I was struck by even their lingering reticence to give up on the monarchy.

Sure, you say, the monarchy is just a cultural icon, a sort of living history trust.

But I think the problem is deeper than that.

The unwillingness to let go of past social structures has kept the UK in an odd place. Strikingly, it has been the EU that has saved the UK economically. That is why the Brexiteers have had to lie to push Brexit. But the truth is, the UK has benefited tremendously by the arrangement where the UK hosts services and imports physical goods (made/grown elsewhere in the EU.)

This is where the Japanese, who are in the same boat as far as having too many people for what their land can bear, are far ahead of the Brits. The Japanese know that they live or die based on their import/export relationship. As such, they culture their import/export ties and hold them dear.

If Johnson cuts of migration then the housing market in the UK will suffer, and all those old Brits relying on rental incomes will all of a sudden find their retirement fund wanting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:39:32am

re: #64 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’ve been cynical of the UK social/political system for some time. Even back a couple of years when the Scottish independence movement was trying to heat up, I was struck by even their lingering reticence to give up on the monarchy.

It’s the entire class system of tiered education, with private schooling for the elite, the Middle Class working their asses off just to pay their mortgages and school tuition, and a working class that is stubbornly proud of being undereducated and underpaid.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:40:43am

I could see Trump pulling the American Olympic team from 2020 in order to protest the Russian expulsion.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:41:39am

re: #16 Targetpractice

But speaking of Collins’ plea, anybody else notice that all that Repub bravado about how impeachment would be a fatal mistake for the Dems and would just ensure Trump’s reelection are suddenly very reluctant to take any votes unless we drag all this another few months?

I won’t discount the possibility that they think there’s some sort of political strategy to keeping all this going well into next year, but you’d think if impeachment was such a killer to the Dem’s hopes for November, that the Repubs would be champing at the bit to get this all over with so they can spend as much time as possible reminding the country that the Dems impeached Trump.

+1

and another for the proper use of ‘champing’

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:45:39am

we are the champing ones

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:46:57am

re: #42 Dr Lizardo

Complete irrelevant to politics or anything else, but I pimped my G-Shock in solid stainless steel with a kit I ordered online. Love it.

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i thought you were taller…

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Dave In Austin  Dec 9, 2019 • 4:55:50am

This thread filled my cup for the day.
Try it. It’s perfect.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:14:31am

Previously eradicated, polio makes comeback in Malaysia after nearly three decades
malaymail.com

Progress.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:17:07am

re: #70 Dave In Austin

Had me at “Steelers”.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:19:22am

Biden made a comment in an interview the other day… should he be elected to the White House next year, no members of his family would undertake foreign business while he served as president

There was a bit of piling on around the blogs..why now, why as president but not vice president etc. Is it because he and Hunter “got caught”

Well no. Turns out the very next sentence in the interview (omitted in the reporting) explained it

“They will not be engaged in any foreign business because of what’s happened in this administration,” Biden said. “No one’s going to be seeking patents. … No one’s going to be engaged in that kind of thing.”

Simple clear concise

Like Warren and $2m over 30 years (gasp)
Twist smear spin because otherwise there’s no there there

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:21:02am

re: #73 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Biden made a comment in an interview the other day… should he be elected to the White House next year, no members of his family would undertake foreign business while he served as president

Because there is a fucking Emoluments Clause, which, oddly enough, would find itself strictly enforced under a Democratic president

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:31:09am

re: #70 Dave In Austin

This thread filled my cup for the day.
Try it. It’s perfect.

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I don’t know how it’s the onions, I’m having cold cereal for breakfast

Seriously though
be an exemplary human instance through excellent behavior and action
Do what you do not for badges recognition or attaboys
Do for the tranquil satisfaction of love honor duty responsibility

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:38:59am

What is the plural of “octopus”?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:45:10am

I’m reading the judiciary committees report …link later

Best line so far:

Each of these acts, moreover, should be plainly wrong to reasonable officials and persons of honor

.

Reasonable and honor. Explains a lot right now

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:52:28am

re: #77 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

.

Reasonable and honor. Explains a lot right now

That seems to be the point of impeachment: to make the GOP Senate come out and admit that they are unreasonable and dishonorable enough to support Donald Trump despite his High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

The rallying cry in 2020 will be “It is up to voters to do the job that the GOP Senate was too craven to finish.”

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Jay C  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:57:14am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What is the plural of “octopus”?

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Obviously “Octo-pie”….😜

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:58:02am

re: #6 jaunte

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11 country clubs? Does he has time to, you know, actually work on the President*’s defense?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2019 • 5:58:35am

Yes, Virginia, we could pay for college for all qualified students:

Why Is College in America So Expensive?

getpocket.com

“Only one country spends more per student, and that country is Luxembourg—where tuition is nevertheless free for students, thanks to government outlays. In fact, a third of developed countries offer college free of charge to their citizens. (And another third keep tuition very cheap—less than $2,400 a year.) The farther away you get from the United States, the more baffling it looks. “

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Amory Blaine  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:05:12am

Wikipedia broke me down. Had to donate this year.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:06:39am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Yes, Virginia, we could pay for college for all qualified students:

Why Is College in America So Expensive?

getpocket.com

I cannot begin to see how the US would start to go about reforming the system, either. Too many established interests would shout bloody murder.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:08:47am

Here we go.
All I want for Christmas is Trump out of office.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:09:27am

re: #82 Amory Blaine

Wikipedia broke me down. Had to donate this year.

It’s one of the 600-800 perfectly valid support requests we get each year. This isn’t their year—not while the sitting administration and their acolytes are working so hard to consolidate the triumph of darkness.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:11:50am
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lawhawk  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:12:44am

Greets and saluts from the soggy NYC metro area. Been off traveling the East Coast, and while I was tweeting all week, I didn’t get to log in here.

The Trumpworld shit show grows larger by the day, and Trump’s even more erratic and desperate by the hour. This is what happens when someone is finally held accountable for their actions for the first time in their lives and he can’t control the outcome despite pushing every lever he has control over to try and obstruct/block the repercussions.

Rudy’s getting ever deeper into the morass, as is Nunes.

No one here should be shocked by any of this.

But I will say, that getting away and catching a bunch of revolutionary war sites, civil rights sites, and historic locations is good for the soul and a good reminder that we need to defend civil and human rights every single day against the efforts by Trumpworld and the GOP to roll back those rights we fought long and hard for.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:13:47am
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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:14:06am

Was that hollering Maga cultist a preview of Trump getting walked out of the Oval?

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lawhawk  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:14:15am

The WaPo has published a cache of documents that are the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers - showing how 3 administrations lied and misrepresented progress in Afghanistan since 2001.

It shouldn’t be particularly surprising either.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:14:47am

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

Was that hollering Maga cultist a preview of Trump getting walked out of the Oval?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:15:10am

re: #87 lawhawk

But I will say, that getting away and catching a bunch of revolutionary war sites, civil rights sites, and historic locations is good for the soul and a good reminder that we need to defend civil and human rights every single day against the efforts by Trumpworld and the GOP to roll back those rights we fought long and hard for.

We came to take that shit all for granted, especially the generation that grew up without any clear memory of what it used to be like.

Gotta go chase schoolchildren off my front lawn now…

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:17:12am
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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:23:36am

Note to Doug Collins:

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:23:43am

Afghanistan is our generation’s Vietnam.

Nothing we were going to do was going to fix Vietnam - it was something they were going to have to do themselves. And we wrecked the place for a few decades because the “wrong people” were going to do that fixing.

Then we didn’t learn from watching Russia try to tame Afghanistan and fail. In part due to the USA help Pakistan to help the guerrillas fight the Russians as part of the continuing Cold War warm bits by proxy.

So the Russians left and we got sucked in. And our leadership still hasn’t learned that a country has to fix itself - you aren’t going to do it from outside. To a large degree Afghanistan doesn’t want to be a modern nation-state. The various groups want to be left alone to carry out their feuds, and will band together to resist an outside force trying to tell them differently (or a central government based in Kabul). It does leave the issue of what to do to handle international terrorist organizations using the area as a refuge, but the same applies to regions of Pakistan for instance.

That the administrations have lied about a lack of real progress is not a surprise. It’s the standard. A lot of money has been poured into Iraq as well without generating much of an improvement either.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:24:50am

Wolfforth, Texas. Roadside Trump shop across the road from the local high school.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:25:48am
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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:29:08am
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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:31:14am
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Belafon  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:34:21am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because there is a fucking Emoluments Clause, which, oddly enough, would find itself strictly enforced under a Democratic president

Emoluments doesn’t apply to children.

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:36:09am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I cannot begin to see how the US would start to go about reforming the system, either. Too many established interests would shout bloody murder.

If we wanted to reform it we could. My kids, as toddlers, would scream as well. I didn’t let it change decisions I made.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:36:21am

re: #100 Belafon

Emoluments doesn’t apply to children.

They would for Biden. It would however, constitute a conflict of interest.

Especially if family member worked for the family business…

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:39:57am

re: #102 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They would for Biden. It would however, constitute a conflict of interest.

Especially if family member worked for the family business…

Then no president can ever have children or the children will have to stop working.

The only reason Biden has to say this is because Trump and Co. took it too far.

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jeffreyw  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:40:58am

Good morning!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:42:11am

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Update: I believe this is on school property. The buildings in the background are the stadium and field house and the sign just to the left of the white car is a stadium Marquee. This was taken yesterday. Don’t know if the peddler is still there, but I have sent this to the school police and local media.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:42:26am

re: #103 Belafon

Then no president can ever have children or the children will have to stop working.

The only reason Biden has to say this is because Trump and Co. took it too far.

I meant that the GOP would insist that it was a conflict of interest.

Even if the child was not involved in any family business organization.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:45:20am

re: #101 Belafon

If we wanted to reform it we could. My kids, as toddlers, would scream as well. I didn’t let it change decisions I made.

In a democracy, it’s difficult, if not damn near impossible, to tell these noisy cretins to sit down and shut the fuck up.

That being said, I think a good many problems in the world today could be solved by telling authoritarian reactionaries to sit down and shut the fuck up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:45:32am

re: #101 Belafon

If we wanted to reform it we could. My kids, as toddlers, would scream as well. I didn’t let it change decisions I made.

I would love to see it reformed, but it would be seen as Big Government encroaching on Academic Freedom, etc., and fought tooth-and-nail.

I would at least like to see us get back to the time when in-state tuition at a State University did not leave a graduate saddled with $50K or more in debt. As I recall, It was way less than $1,000 per year, the sort of thing you could at lest start to pay off with summer jobs and part-time work.

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:47:04am
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Belafon  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:49:21am

I still think she should pick Beto just because it will ramp up the attention on Texas.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:50:24am

re: #109 Belafon

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It’s a criticism of the attitudes towards immigrants, lack of charity, lack of empathy, and general lack of “Christian values” that a lot more people than just Trump seem to think is of priority in our current society.

Implying it’s just Trump misses pretty heavily since removing Trump is not suddenly going to make everything all better.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:51:52am

re: #111 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Implying it’s just Trump misses pretty heavily since removing Trump is not suddenly going to make everything all better.

But getting Steven Miller out of there will at least help put an end to separating families and keeping them in cages…

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:54:41am

re: #109 Belafon

Add a figure of Betsy DeVos stealing the baby.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:56:22am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would love to see it reformed, but it would be seen as Big Government encroaching on Academic Freedom, etc., and fought tooth-and-nail.

I would at least like to see us get back to the time when in-state tuition at a State University did not leave a graduate saddled with $50K or more in debt. As I recall, It was way less than $1,000 per year, the sort of thing you could at lest start to pay off with summer jobs and part-time work.

Went to UofL as it was becoming the “expensive” state school. It was $512/semester when minimum wage was about 2500/year.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:56:33am

re: #113 jaunte

Add a figure of Betsy DeVos stealing the baby.

and then selling it….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 6:57:35am

re: #115 I Would Prefer Not To

and then selling it….

in pieces…

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wrenchwench  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:02:59am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But getting Steven Miller out of there will at least help put an end to separating families and keeping them in cages…

He didn’t start it, and getting rid of him will be an improvement, but there is much more to be done.

At an Immigrant Detention Center, Due Process Denied

2014.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:05:20am
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:05:47am
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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:09:02am

Another bullshit objection.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:10:12am

Republicans once again beclowning themselves.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:10:28am
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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:14:14am

Ooh, Castor deploys the deadly “baloney” argument.

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:14:39am

Some Democrat really should say that by becoming president, Trump has automatically agreed to participate in the impeachment process.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:17:21am
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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:20:55am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:24:47am

re: #126 jaunte

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Projection is powerful in the GOP.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:33:21am

Turned on the TV, Steve Castor was speaking, listened to 2 sentences, shut off the TV. Steve Castor did not seem to care that Trump is a one man crime wave, shredding the Constitution on a daily basis as he continues to operate as he did in private life. We would have been spared all this if the DOJ or local authorities ever made it a priority to go after “wealthy” individuals who violate the laws with impunity.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:37:56am

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That seems to be the point of impeachment: to make the GOP Senate come out and admit that they are unreasonable and dishonorable enough to support Donald Trump despite his High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

The rallying cry in 2020 will be “It is up to voters to do the job that the GOP Senate was too craven to finish.”

here’s the link to the report

it’s clear why they didn’t bother sparring with Turley

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:43:04am
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:43:28am
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Interesting Times  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:45:26am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:48:21am

The party of family values, if you’re the Manson family.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:49:50am

re: #130 The Pie Overlord!

When do these people think “Never Again” begins?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:52:30am

re: #129 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

here’s the link to the report

it’s clear why they didn’t bother sparring with Turley

more:

The President has no right to defy an impeachment inquiry and then demand that the House turn back because it lacks the very evidence he unlawfully concealed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:53:07am

re: #130 The Pie Overlord!

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I fully expected Eva Braun to chime in!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:53:35am

re: #130 The Pie Overlord!

The levels of wrongness here are so deep. Mr. Trump telling Jews how to feel about Israel? Ann Coulter accusing Jews of disloyalty? You can actually watch the quality of our national discourse spiraling down into the gutter.

We have this Fundamentalist movement that does not care a whit about Jews or Judaism, they just need a resurgent Israel with Jerusalem as its capitol in order to fulfill their apocalyptic End-Times prophecy fantasies.

And this is all wrapped up in the Conservative Canon that we must support any Israeli government that is expansionist and hard-line.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:53:55am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:54:48am

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The party of family values, if you’re the Manson family.

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This isn’t the first time that asshole has been arrested!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:55:20am

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Republican congressional candidate Omar Navarro, who is running against Maxine Waters, was arrested & booked Sat in San Francisco for stalking, making criminal threats, violating a domestic relations court order, and attempted extortion

I remember the RWNJ talking point that Maxine Waters was advocating violence against GOP members when she urged people to “push back” against their bigotry.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:57:43am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:58:31am

re: #138 jaunte

That’s pretty solid right there.

There’s a shit ton of evidence to back up each of those points too.

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lawhawk  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:58:32am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:00:21am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember the RWNJ talking point that Maxine Waters was advocating violence against GOP members when she urged people to “push back” against their bigotry.

Yeah but Omar was one of the thugs who threatened her and her district office staff!

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BigPapa  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:00:47am

Daniel Goldman is very effective.

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lawhawk  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:03:06am

re: #141 jaunte

They’ll go along with Trump, because of course they will. Craven cowards to the bitter end. They put party above all else, and have been enabling Trump despite Trump clearly engaging in felony conduct all along.

None of them are openly talking to press on the record of Trump crimes. None are willing to stand up for the rule of law or oaths of office.

None of the GOP will do what’s right - instead lying to everyone about what Trump did on live television - admitting to federal felonies by bribing the Ukranians to look into investigating Bidens as a personal favor to get military aid that was already allocated by Congress. Trump held it up to secure the bribe - the announcement of an investigation into Biden. Trump held it up to help him personally, not for our security or because Trump cared about corruption.

The timeline makes it clear that Trump only sought out the investigation only after Biden entered the race, not before. Trump couldn’t find Ukraine on a map before then (or after, but I digress). Trump doesn’t care about corruption except when it benefits him personally - as it does here. Ukraine wanted no part of Trump’s scheme, but Rudy and Lev and Igor and Sondland and Perry and Pompeo were all in on the effort to get Zelinsky to do it anyways.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:03:11am
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BigPapa  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:03:15am

In some personal news, I’m white as shit.

white as shit
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:06:15am

re: #146 lawhawk

They’ll go along with Trump, because of course they will. Craven cowards to the bitter end. They put party above all else, and have been enabling Trump despite Trump clearly engaging in felony conduct all along.

Don’t forget how many have kompromat hanging over their heads if they stray from the party. That is enough to keep the rest of the herd from turning.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:06:18am
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Teukka  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:06:28am

re: #148 BigPapa

In some personal news, I’m white as shit.

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Me? I’m 92.2% Finnish, i.e. finnish as shit, the remaining 7.8% being Baltic and Scandinavian.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:07:19am

re: #148 BigPapa

Haven’t done mine, because I’m pretty sure I’m just the lower two blobs.

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sagehen  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:07:22am

completely OT, but fun short thread:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:08:21am

re: #153 sagehen

The Telegraph obituaries page is incredible. You’ll get biographies like “Colonel Harold Smythe, whose top-secret missions into Nazi-occupied France included 1 occasion where he killed 17 SS troops with a hair brush, later took up horticulture & created celebrated tulip strains.”

another intolerant liberal bites the dust

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BigPapa  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:10:12am

Yeah, I didn’t know Iceland was a specific genetic group. I guess isolation affects it.

I’m related to Bjork! How cool is that? She’s probably like 17th cousin but who’s counting anyway.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:10:44am

re: #155 BigPapa

BjigPjapa!

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:11:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:14:16am

re: #157 jaunte

It’s accurate to dismiss the “Ukraine did the hackfaked moon landing, flat/hollow-Earth theory, virgin birth, Sandy Hook false flag, etc…as a false conspiracy theory, but it’s worth dwelling on how bonkers and nonsensical it is.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:14:44am

re: #150 jaunte

We would love to read the transcript!! But it’s on your super-duper top secret server. Why don’t you release it to us all?

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:14:57am

Republicans on the committee are barely paying attention. They know Trump is guilty. They don’t care. All they’re doing here today is a tactical effort to obscure and minimize the evidence to keep cult members bamboozled.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:18:33am

and there it is:

investigations werent relevant. just the announcement

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:29:17am

Congratulations, Susan Collins!

The supreme court on Monday left in place a Kentucky law requiring doctors to perform ultrasounds and show fetal images to patients before abortions.

theguardian.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:30:00am

re: #161 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

and there it is:

investigations werent relevant. just the announcement

‘cause that’s all it took to tank Hillary

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:32:06am

Gag Gaetz.

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:33:46am
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BigPapa  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:33:52am

re: #164 jaunte

Gag Gaetz.

The competition for Biggest Asshole is fierce.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:36:17am

re: #164 jaunte

Gag Gaetz.

Somebody get another milkshake ready!

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:39:38am
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:58:54am

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

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So that’s what, roughly $66,000 a year?


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