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Dave In Austin  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:21:13pm

Tulsi takes the road less traveled….

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:22:33pm
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Citizen K  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:24:25pm

Nice to know that the media is bending over backwards to believe random GOP politicians about what shit says rather than gov’t officials announcing investigation results that just so happen to contradict GOP narratives.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:38:59pm

re: #3 Citizen K

Nice to know that the media is bending over backwards to believe random GOP politicians about what shit says rather than gov’t officials announcing investigation results that just so happen to contradict GOP narratives.

More proof that the DC Press Corpse is absolutely useless.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:39:02pm

re: #1 Dave In Austin

“My fondler, um, handler requires me to come to him, um, visit him, in St. Petersburg soon.”

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:54:18pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 9, 2019 • 7:55:20pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

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Kellyanne is in law enforcement?

nevermind, that was Pam.

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:01:19pm
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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:02:03pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:02:37pm

re: #6 gocart mozart

[He also threatened her pets.]

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:11:36pm
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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:23:24pm

re: #11 gocart mozart

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Mention hashtag #TFMBriefcase over the next 24 hours in-store to get your own briefcase for free (aka reusable bag!)

Guess I know where I’m going tomorrow morning! TFM is right down the street from me and I need some yummy baked goods anyway.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:28:41pm

re: #12 BeachDem

Guess I know where I’m going tomorrow morning! TFM is right down the street from me and I need some yummy baked goods anyway.

I give them props for a brilliant promotion.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:30:17pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:33:52pm

re: #14 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Doctors can be so judgemental about how one’s juveniles are stored.

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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:34:16pm

re: #13 I Would Prefer Not To

I give them props for a brilliant promotion.

I love it when a store I frequent and like a lot does something good (and clever)

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Dave In Austin  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:47:27pm
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plansbandc  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:50:06pm

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jaunte  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:51:46pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:53:53pm
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plansbandc  Dec 9, 2019 • 8:56:50pm

re: #20 gocart mozart

Gross.

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2019 • 9:05:27pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2019 • 9:08:27pm

She’s brilliant

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Dread Pirate  Dec 9, 2019 • 9:13:54pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 9, 2019 • 9:22:10pm

I always love when a tech help line informs you that they’re “aware” of a “network issue” via a recorded message, more so when they also helpfully tell you that there is no estimated time for the “issue” to be resolved but they will helpfully…change the message if they learn anything new.

FFS

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 9, 2019 • 9:22:57pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 9, 2019 • 9:30:19pm
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Amory Blaine  Dec 9, 2019 • 11:24:33pm

Just what this country needs, another military branch.

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uriel  Dec 9, 2019 • 11:32:52pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

Wow, that’s… WOW.

ETA: I think we might be f*d. If this level of lunacy is the new normal- I just don’t know.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 11:34:42pm

Oh, bugger.

The polyclinic of the University Hospital (Ostrava) in Poruba passed a very wild morning. At the trauma surgery clinic a shooting incident was reported. At the moment, the police are intervening.

According to unofficial information, several people are shot. The version differs according to eyewitnesses.

Some say that there was a man shooting on the spot, picking out specific people, and everything looked like an execution scene, someone else claimed that he started shooting randomly and fired at two storage tanks.

Via GoogleTranslate. Original source, in Czech: moravskoslezsky.denik.cz

Ostrava is where I live and this hospital, known locally as FNO (Fakultní Nemocnice Ostrava or University Hospital Ostrava) isn’t all that far from me, just across town.

These are early reports - this all started about less than an hour ago.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 11:43:34pm

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

Update, mind you, an unofficial one.

Shooting was on the 3rd floor of the traumatology department, the shooter is said to be a man. Talking about the dead - according to officially unconfirmed eyewitness information, there are about 4 dead and 10 injured on the spot.

“The situation on the spot is very obscure, we must not go out into the hallway. The doors must be locked, probably to prevent the perpetrator from hiding in a room,” said one of the witnesses on the spot shortly after the shooting.

Via GoogleTranslate. Original source, in Czech: moravskoslezsky.denik.cz

Basically, shelter in place, active shooter on the hospital grounds.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 9, 2019 • 11:44:26pm

Quite a haul:
More than 3,000 pounds of marijuana found in U-Haul during traffic stop on I-40

CARSON COUNTY, Texas (KFDA) - A Florida man is in jail after DPS officials say a trooper found more than 3,000 pounds of marijuana inside a U-Haul during a traffic stop on I-40.

On December 5, a DPS trooper stopped a U-Haul traveling east on I-40 for a traffic violation.

According to DPS officials, the trooper then found multiple boxes filled with 3,350 pounds of marijuana in the cargo area.

The driver, 39-year-old Aneudy Gonzalez of Florida, was arrested and charged with felony possession of marijuana. Gonzalez was taken to the Randall County Jail.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 11:47:44pm

re: #31 Dr Lizardo

Another update: Several dead at shooting at University Hospital Ostrava according to Czech Interior Minister Jan Hamáček.

Shooting in the Ostrava hospital has several victims, confirmed Interior Minister Jan Hamáček (ČSSD).

Police officers intervene on site. At the University Hospital in Ostrava, the shots echoed after seven in the morning.

The Minister said that special police units, including the Rapid Deployment Unit and the Police Helicopter, were intervening on the ground.

According to CTK information, an unknown perpetrator was shooting at one of the outpatient wards.

Via Google Translate. Original source, in Czech: patriotmagazin.cz

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 11:53:05pm

re: #33 Dr Lizardo

Should have added that the “Rapid Deployment Unit” referenced in that article is the Czech Police version of a SWAT team.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 9, 2019 • 11:57:11pm

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

There seem to be several articles in English language sources: express.co.uk

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 9, 2019 • 11:59:23pm

The suspect in the Ostrava hospital shooting is on the run. Police are looking for a man described only as 180 cm (5’ 9”) tall, wearing a red jacket.

Yeah, that’s not very helpful. That describes about 25% of the male population here.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 12:00:48am

re: #35 Hecuba’s daughter

There seem to be several articles in English language sources: express.co.uk

Thanks for that. I didn’t even think to look at any of the British tabloid press to see if they were covering the story.

Needless to say, it’s all over the news here. Such mass shooting incidents are extremely (and mercifully) rare here.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 12:19:00am

Here’s the suspect in the Ostrava hospital shooting:

Czech police are asking for the public’s help in finding the suspect and are advising extreme caution as they suspect is still armed.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 12:19:42am

re: #38 Dr Lizardo

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Amory Blaine  Dec 10, 2019 • 12:34:58am

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Pigs gloating over a pot bust. Pathetic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 10, 2019 • 12:39:49am

re: #8 gocart mozart

Well bless your heart Nikki. I know you understand what you’re doing. The confederate flag is meant to honor and revere the Confederacy whose mission was to destroy the United States in order to preserve slavery. It’s that simple. Anything else is false, pandering BS

Until Dylan Root, one could pretty much get away with displaying a Confederate Flag in public without being called out for its inherent racism. Dylan ruined that for all those Good old Boys just celebratin’ they cultchah an’ heyritage.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 10, 2019 • 12:42:15am

re: #28 Amory Blaine

Just what this country needs, another military branch.

This will be quietly shelved, the Military might have to accept its existence for now, but nothing much will come of it and the Space Force will be disbanded when normalcy returns.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 10, 2019 • 12:43:37am

re: #40 Amory Blaine

Pigs gloating over a pot bust. Pathetic.

If they catch 40 tons, all that tells us is that another 36 tons got through, as they never interdict more than 10% of the supply.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 10, 2019 • 12:43:56am

I am caught up with the thread now, You may resume.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 1:00:13am

FFS, the Czech police fucked up. The photo they sent out earlier is not the suspected shooter.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 1:09:20am

Quick update on the Ostrava hospital shooting. The Czech police apologized for any earlier confusion….they have the suspect’s name, and the license plate of his car which he apparently used to escape the scene.

They’ve also notified Polish police in the event he tries to flee into Poland…..it’s only a few kilometers away from here as we’re pretty much right on the border.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 1:16:02am

Looks like the suspect is known to the Czech police; seems he’s had run-ins with the law before. They’ve corrected the suspect photo and added the vehicle and license plate of the car he’s driving - it’s a nationwide APB/BOLO.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 1:16:57am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 1:52:05am

The suspect in the Ostrava hospital shooting is dead. According to Czech police, he committed suicide with a gunshot to the head as police approached his vehicle after they tracked him down.

Sad damn day here in Ostrava. A lot of people here are in genuine shock that something like this could happen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 10, 2019 • 2:07:17am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

The suspect in the Ostrava hospital shooting is dead. According to Czech police, he committed suicide with a gunshot to the head as police approached his vehicle after they tracked him down.

Sad damn day here in Ostrava. A lot of people here are in genuine shock that something like this could happen.

Only consolation is to note that events like that are an aberration and not a regular occurrence…

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 2:15:17am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Only consolation is to note that events like that are an aberration and not a regular occurrence…

Exactly. The fact that such occurrences here are so rare is why so many people, especially here in Ostrava, are seriously shocked about what just went down. And in Ostrava University Hospital no less, which is well-regarded not only in the region but in the Czech Republic as well for teaching/training medical professionals from not just here in-country but for having trained doctors from the Middle East, the Far East and Africa as well.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 2:45:35am

According to Czech police, the shooter, identified as Ctirad V., a 42-year-old construction worker from nearby Opava (a few kms away from Ostrava), somehow managed to get his hands on a pistol. He had no firearms license, and as such, the weapon - a 9mm pistol - was in his possession illegally. As per the suspect’s boss, the suspect seems to have taken it into his head that he was seriously ill, and when medical exams at FNO failed to find any illness whatsoever, he began to believe that the staff at FNO was lying to him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:26:46am

moron is awake and ranting

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steve_davis  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:32:02am

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Quite a haul:
More than 3,000 pounds of marijuana found in U-Haul during traffic stop on I-40

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why, oh why? “Can I search your vehicle?” “Yeah, sure!” Routine traffic stops are not probable cause for vehicle search, so either there’s more to this, or the guy is an idiot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:39:47am

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:41:23am
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A Mom Anon  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:49:18am

re: #17 Dave In Austin

Aww that’s cute, baby’s first time holding a book…

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:58:18am

re: #1 Dave In Austin

Tulsi takes the road less traveled….

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OT: Just saw this on the real meaning of this poem:

The Almost Universally Misinterpreted Poem “The Road Not Taken” and the Fascinating Story Behind It

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:02:49am

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Even if he was correct, it doesn’t change anything. Honor students still get punished for cheating. But he’s still a delusional asshole who knows nothing about the law.

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jeffreyw  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:04:04am

Good morning!

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:04:17am

Trump cult followers triggered.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:05:17am

re: #61 DodgerFan1988

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Trump cult followers triggered.

She earned it but watch people like Ben Shapiro who is about as athletic as Trump claim this is just PC.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:42:46am

re: #61 DodgerFan1988

“I ain’t going to the fuckin’ White House…”

One of the greatest quotes ever.

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plansbandc  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:54:40am

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It’s a good idea not to commit traffic violations when hauling 3000 lbs of pot.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:57:12am

This sucks. I love her music.

Roxette - Listen To Your Heart

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:57:27am

re: #8 gocart mozart

She’s still at it.

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:58:57am

Meanwhile, the GOP continues lying about every aspect of the IG report - twisting it and spewing agitprop. From Trump on down, they’re substituting their bulkshit agitprop for the facts of the report.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:00:31am

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Sort of curious what the driver did (or had in the cab) that made the trooper want to check the back of the U-haul van. Oh wait, driver had Hispanic name so good chance it was due to “driving while brown”.

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:13:53am

re: #66 lawhawk

And another reminder:

Gary Clark Jr - This Land [Official Music Video]

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:15:03am

Impeachment charges have been named: Abuse of Power and Obstruction.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:16:26am

re: #70 makeitstop

Good.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:16:49am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:18:19am

re: #66 lawhawk

She’s still at it.

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I don’t give a fuck how south Carolinians “see” the flag.
Just as with political religious excuses, your “sincerely held beliefs” have zero to do with objective reality and arent justification to behave as you please nor force anyone to agree with you or give you a pass.

Crackpots

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jeffreyw  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:20:01am

re: #68 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Sort of curious what the driver did (or had in the cab) that made the trooper want to check the back of the U-haul van. Oh wait, driver had Hispanic name so good chance it was due to “driving while brown”.

I’m pretty much convinced, although without any evidence, that many of these stops are a result of tips from informers or LEO infiltration of the gangs.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:21:03am

re: #66 lawhawk

She’s still at it.

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Oh shut up Nikki. It was never about heritage until your patty’s base felt threatened by civil rights.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:21:06am

re: #70 makeitstop

Impeachment charges have been named: Abuse of Power and Obstruction.

In related news, Trump has returned to Walter Reed for another “half annual check-up.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:21:32am

re: #70 makeitstop

Impeachment charges have been named: Abuse of Power and Obstruction.

Sounds right to me.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:22:49am

re: #73 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

I don’t give a fuck how south Carolinians “see” the flag.
Just as with political religious excuses, your “sincerely held beliefs” have zero to do with objective reality and arent justification to behave as you please nor force anyone to agree with you or given you a pass.

Crackpots

She’s nothing but a grandstanding hypocrite.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:23:33am

re: #73 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

If I could give you multiple updings for the use of the word “crackpot,” I would.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:24:04am

If only Stormy had a stained blue dress the Republicans would all get on board…

I DON’T THINK SO…

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:24:23am

re: #76 Targetpractice

In related news, Trump has returned to Walter Reed for another “half annual check-up.”

Monthly checkups now it seems

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:24:35am

I don’t watch any of these, but I saw that Miss Teen USA, Miss USA, Miss America, and Miss Universe are all women of color.

The world is changing despite what people like Trump, Miller, and McConnell try.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:25:04am

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

If only Stormy had a stained blue dress the Republicans would all get on board…

I DON’T THINK SO…

All Democrats need to do is just say Trump was Bill Clinton or Obama and then Republicans would just onboard for impeachment./:

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Teukka  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:25:18am

re: #65 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

This sucks. I love her music.

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Just caught the news myself. 😭💔😭
In memoriam: Marie Fredriksson *1958-05-30 †2019-12-10

Marie Fredriksson - Sparvöga (Official Video)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:25:38am

re: #81 Eventual Carrion

Monthly checkups now it seems

So he needs another enema because the 15 flushes didn’t get it all out..

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:30:03am

re: #70 makeitstop

Impeachment charges have been named: Abuse of Power and Obstruction.

I still wonder if they’re doing phases and will tsck on more stuff. They’re still investigating.
I would like to see this added:

“The argument here is not that the House should include any or every plausible article based on conduct described in Mueller’s report. To the contrary, it would be unwise to be so overbroad. But there is a single, specific article of impeachment that should be included: one describing how the president of the United States obstructed justice by directing White House Counsel Don McGahn to create a false internal record denying that the president had instructed him to have Robert Mueller fired as Special Counsel.”

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Sir John Barron  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:32:11am

re: #66 lawhawk

She’s still at it.

Yeah the heritage really sucks.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:33:44am

re: #87 Sir John Barron

Yeah the heritage really sucks.

They’re destroying Confederate Christmas!!!! It’s about Rebel Baby Jesus!!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:34:20am

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENCIES EVER

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Sir John Barron  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:37:04am

re: #8 gocart mozart

Wow, the good Mitch bringing some heat.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:37:50am

re: #1 Dave In Austin

Tulsi takes the road less traveled….

Is Tulsi dropping out?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:37:55am

re: #79 Ace Rothstein

If I could give you multiple updings for the use of the word “crackpot,” I would.

one of my lgf posts. an oldie and a goodie

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Teukka  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:39:19am

Waiting for Satan Claus…

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:40:34am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Oh shut up Nikki. It was never about heritage until your patty’s base felt threatened by civil rights.

Actually, to say it’s about “Heritage” is accurate.

One must then ask what specific aspects of culture combine to form a “Heritage” and in the Southern USA the reliance on treating black/brown-skinned human beings like farm animals and worse is celebrated. At the same time, the supremacist “Southern White Man” ideal is taken as fact with a proud tradition of demeaning virtually every other culture in the entire world.

That is specifically the Heritage they celebrate.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:40:57am

re: #87 Sir John Barron

Yeah the heritage really sucks.

I like what someone (on this site or maybe another) posted about this. They wrote to the effect, “Fine with your heritage. Then if I see a house or car flying the Confederate battle flag I get to kill those people and burn their property. That is my Yankee heritage from that time period.”.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:41:02am

re: #91 Sir John Barron

Is Tulsi dropping out?

No, She said she’s done with Dem. Committee rules for the debate stage.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:42:02am

The new line.
“We don’t like the Results So……….”

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:42:57am

re: #91 Sir John Barron

Is Tulsi dropping out?

Preempting not qualifying?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:45:09am

re: #94 Florida Panhandler

Actually, to say it’s about “Heritage” is accurate.

One must then ask what specific aspects of culture combine to form a “Heritage” and in the Southern USA the reliance on treating black/brown-skinned human beings like farm animals and worse is celebrated. At the same time, the supremacist “Southern White Man” ideal is taken as fact with a proud tradition of demeaning virtually every other culture in the entire world.

That is specifically the Heritage they celebrate.

You are right of course
And so was I above:. “were not racists. It’s what we sincerely believe”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:53:36am

re: #94 Florida Panhandler

Actually, to say it’s about “Heritage” is accurate.

One must then ask what specific aspects of culture combine to form a “Heritage” and in the Southern USA the reliance on treating black/brown-skinned human beings like farm animals and worse is celebrated. At the same time, the supremacist “Southern White Man” ideal is taken as fact with a proud tradition of demeaning virtually every other culture in the entire world.

That is specifically the Heritage they celebrate.

Very true.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:04:05am

Think “OK” was a cute, harmless meme? No crack will go un-wedged:

The Millennials-Versus-Boomers Fight Divides the Democratic Party

The young left has become a sort of third party.

theatlantic.com

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:05:38am

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Think “OK” was a cute, harmless meme? No crack will go un-wedged:

The Millennials-Versus-Boomers Fight Divides the Democratic Party

theatlantic.com

Desperate for a story, I see the Atlantic is.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:07:30am

re: #102 Belafon

Desperate for a story, I see the Atlantic is.

Assuming Milburn’s analysis is correct, the young progressive movement will have to shed its first adjective in order to gain power. In 2016, voters older than 40 accounted for nearly three-fifths of all primary voters. It is impossible to win a national election by running a campaign of generational warfare that runs counter to, or directly indicts, a majority of the electorate. One way or another, America’s third party will have to grow up.

Good at arithmetic, The Atlantic is.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:09:18am

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Think “OK” was a cute, harmless meme? No crack will go un-wedged:

The Millennials-Versus-Boomers Fight Divides the Democratic Party

theatlantic.com

Tuesdays during Dems in Disarray Week are always the worst.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:10:14am

This Thread.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:10:49am

re: #104 Sir John Barron

Tuesdays during Dems in Disarray Week are always the worst.

We could use a couple Array Days between now and November. After that, I don’t give a shit.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:14:10am

America is playing Russian roulette with democracy.

Youtube Video

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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:15:45am
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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:16:02am

re: #107 Amory Blaine

America is playing Russian roulette with democracy.

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Took a moment to associate the Deer Hunter.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:16:42am
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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:18:15am

re: #108 Dave In Austin

Spied on an American in the same way that Schiff obtained Nunes’ phone records?

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:18:43am

“Us” is short for USA (pronounced “OO-sa”) as everyone says. Wait, we don’t?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:19:15am

re: #110 makeitstop

Parscale might be a branch office.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:21:40am

re: #111 Belafon

Spied on an American in the same way that Schiff obtained Nunes’ phone records?

Easy bi-partisan fix. Rescind the Patriot Acts and shut down FISA.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:22:02am
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:22:54am
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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:28:09am

re: #116 The Pie Overlord!

I will say this until he dies, but Comey’s sexism overruled all of the professionalism he had. He wanted to send out a message that the men would be in charge if Clinton was elected, and instead helped elect Trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:30:31am
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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:31:05am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:31:05am

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:32:24am

re: #119 jaunte

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Ollie, your tarnish is so deep it is coming through the other side. STFD and STFU.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:32:38am
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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:34:28am

re: #119 jaunte

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Feeling very bi-partisan today. Despite some really good technical work, the FBI has been a shit-filled, shit-directed organization since its founding.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:35:14am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

J. Edgar Hoover didn’t exactly set it off on the right path.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:36:57am

re: #124 jaunte

J. Edgar Transvestite didn’t exactly set it off on the right path.

More accurate!

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lizardofid  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:37:42am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Feeling very bi-partisan today. Despite some really good technical work, the FBI has been a shit-filled, shit-directed organization since its founding.

100 year study in mission drift.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:38:39am

re: #119 jaunte

I had to photograph him and a bunch of wealthy suckers one night a few years ago. He’s a total asshole.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:39:32am

re: #124 jaunte

J. Edgar Hoover didn’t exactly set it off on the right path.

It has always depended on a massive PR effort. Scully and Clarice Starling are not randos.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:42:20am

re: #127 Ace Rothstein

I had to photograph him and a bunch of wealthy suckers one night a few years ago. He’s a total asshole.

Flashback of pictures my brainwashed sister posted when she knelt down before that crack dealer…

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lizardofid  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:43:58am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

It has always depended on a massive PR effort. Scully and Clarice Starling are not randos.

Reputation as a deterrent, or leverage?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:45:14am

re: #130 lizardofid

Reputation as a deterrent, or leverage?

All that, mostly funding and hierarchic independence.

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retired cynic  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:46:38am

So good!!!

The Night the Capitol Did Not Sleep
Each night, the U. S. Capitol becomes a tomb where another day’s events are laid to rest. But on September 24, 2019, rest never came—and it never has since. Charles Pierce

Too good to excerpt.

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:49:24am

Trump’s tweeting up a storm. His executive time is running long today, spewing all manner of lies and nonsense.

Entirely predictable too, because when he gets stressed, he goes to Twitter to lie and project his conduct on his rivals and enemies.

Not a word of any of his tantrums is accurate or factual, but his base and Fox will repeat it endlessly. It’s a goddamned cult, and media outlets repeat it uncritically too.

The Hill is among the worst of the bunch. But established media types also do this by putting their access and contacts above doing hard journalism and fact checking in real time.

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retired cynic  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:52:21am

Another Bush (Pierce, son of Neal) is running for the TX congressional seat being vacated by Pete Olson. Juanita Jean says Olson quit because “he’s a coward and knows he’ll get whipped so bad that his grandchildren will be born shaking.”

She also says “There is a never ending supply of Bushes and they all believe they are entitled to public office.”

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lizardofid  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:55:03am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

All that, mostly funding and hierarchic independence.

Got it. Could be the leanings of them independent “hierachs” what produces the drift.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:55:16am

re: #124 jaunte

J. Edgar Hoover didn’t exactly set it off on the right path.

Without giving away too much, J. Edgar’s character in Man in the High Castle seems completely natural and plausible.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:57:25am

re: #119 jaunte

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Oliver North shouldn’t be lecturing anyone about credibility. He’s only a thing because he saved Reagan from being exposed for being as crooked as Trump is.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:02:40am

re: #122 jaunte

Those are real states but their districts are not real districts.

///

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retired cynic  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:05:11am

Juanita Jean: Here’s the Deal

If you thought Tulsi supporters were a few bricks shy of a load, this will confirm that!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:05:14am

re: #112 The Pie Overlord!

“Us” is short for USA (pronounced “OO-sa”) as everyone says. Wait, we don’t?

So, the prez who spends all his time on Twitter bragging about himself and whining about things that only affect him would have us believe that by “us” he means “USA”?

So, what was the ‘favor’ Ukraine was supposed to do to get the aid it is promised?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:06:50am

re: #108 Dave In Austin

So, was this “spying” like POTUS ordering his lawyer to get dirt on a likely political opponent?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:08:23am

re: #108 Dave In Austin

Corn is wetting the bed again.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:09:00am

re: #140 Sir John Barron

So, the prez who spends all his time on Twitter bragging about himself and whining about things that only affect him would have us believe that by “us” he means “USA”?

So, what was the ‘favor’ Ukraine was supposed to do to get the aid it is promised?

His “concern” about corruption is pretty laughable too. He still cries about Hunter Biden while his daughter and son in law hold positions undeserved and without security clearances.

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:09:59am

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Without giving away too much, J. Edgar’s character in Man in the High Castle seems completely natural and plausible.

J Edgar in that series perfectly represents the new Republican norm… perfectly willing to support a xenophobic white supremacist dictatorship with thunderous applause.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:10:40am

re: #108 Dave In Austin

Yeah I guess that’s what the report ‘confirms’ because your potus is freaking like a baby at his own hand picked FBI director for not actually confirming his bogus BS.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:11:26am

re: #107 Amory Blaine

America is playing Russian roulette with democracy.

Where 5 of the 6 chambers have bullets.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:12:37am

Countdown to cries of “perjury trap!”

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:15:02am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

So, was this “spying” like POTUS ordering his lawyer to get dirt on a likely political opponent?

The way I like to put it to people that say they were spying on tRump and company.

If the police are on surveillance of a known heroin dealer and filming the comings and goings to build a case against said dealer. And you are a customer of that dealer. They have film of you coming and going, since they don’t know if you are a customer or maybe the main supplier of the product. They have you on film, but you were not the subject of the surveillance but just dealing with the dealer who was the subject of the sting.

tRump and company just happened to be dealing with Russian asset (mob?) characters, and were caught up in the sting.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:16:19am

May he never get another night’s restful sleep, for the rest of his miserable life.

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:17:21am

re: #134 retired cynic

The Bush family prioritizes public service. That’s not a bad thing per se.

You can disagree with their policy and I certainly do.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:17:53am

I believe Yoho is number 22. Rats, ship, etc.

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:18:46am

re: #151 makeitstop

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:18:52am

re: #148 Eventual Carrion

The way I like to put it to people that say they were spying on tRump and company.

If the police are on surveillance of a known heroin dealer and filming the comings and goings to build a case against said dealer. And you are a customer of that dealer. They have film of you coming and going, since they don’t know if you are a customer or maybe the main supplier of the product. They have you on film, but you were not the subject of the surveillance but just dealing with the dealer who was the subject of the sting.

tRump and company just happened to be dealing with Russian asset (mob?) characters, and were caught up in the sting.

Exactly. And you know what, Barr knows this but he’s such a pathetic hack who is eager to enable Republican executive power, he’s willing to lie about what happened.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:22:19am

He knows his place in history is secure. A corrupt piece of shit who craved power above serving the American people.

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lizardofid  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:23:25am

re: #150 lawhawk

The Bush family prioritizes public service. That’s not a bad thing per se.

You can disagree with their policy and I certainly do.

From my observations, their constituents might be better off the Bush women tried their hand at public office, and let the men folk stay at home.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:23:38am

re: #132 retired cynic

I just heard Charlie Pierce got hit by a car yesterday. He’ll be ok but he’s a bit banged up.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:25:48am

re: #111 Belafon

Spied on an American in the same way that Schiff obtained Nunes’ phone records?

just to pedant

the committee obtained phone call logs from telephone service providers pursuant to subpoenas

nunes phone number was identified as the other end of some of the calls

no one ‘matched’ it to nunes as collins suggested yesterday
they saw a pattern of calls to a number and then identified it
(metadata phone records are meaningless on their own until you ID who the individual is talking with)

no one obtained nunes’ phone records and still have not

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:26:56am

re: #156 A Mom Anon

I just heard Charlie got hit by a car yesterday. He’ll be ok but he’s a bit banged up.

Tele? Oh, crap, hope he heals fast. Don’t want him to miss his skiing!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:27:27am

re: #155 lizardofid

From my observations, their constituents might be better off the Bush women tried their hand at public office, and let the men folk stay at home.

Laura and the Bush daughters are considerably more socially liberal than their husband and father for example. Barbara (HW’s wife) was pro choice well after he flip flopped to appease the Reaganites.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:27:30am

re: #118 Joe Bacon 🌹

once again, imagine if steele was ‘friends’ with hunter biden

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:28:39am

re: #158 makeitstop

Tele? Oh, crap, hope he heals fast. Don’t want him to miss his skiing!

The original post referred to Charles Pierce —- so not our guy.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:29:59am

re: #133 lawhawk

Trump’s tweeting up a storm. His executive time is running long today, spewing all manner of lies and nonsense.

Entirely predictable too, because when he gets stressed, he goes to Twitter to lie and project his conduct on his rivals and enemies.

Not a word of any of his tantrums is accurate or factual, but his base and Fox will repeat it endlessly. It’s a goddamned cult, and media outlets repeat it uncritically too.

The Hill is among the worst of the bunch. But established media types also do this by putting their access and contacts above doing hard journalism and fact checking in real time.

as a comforting reminder:

…Twitter is not representative of anything other than the 2% of the population that spends its whole day tweeting. Yet the media act like if something is trending on Twitter, then the whole country is talking about it and it is important. Nope and nope again. (V)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:30:02am

re: #160 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

once again, imagine if steele was ‘friends’ with hunter biden

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FNC is so full of shit. They go out of their way to appease this pathetic son of a bitch’s delusions. Maybe you should fire the guy who nominated Wray, Donnie.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:30:43am

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

The original post referred to Charles Pierce —- so not our guy.

Yikes! Either one is bad!

Glad our Charlie is okay, and hope Mr. Pierce heals quickly.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:32:31am

re: #149 makeitstop

winning!
fastest impeachment ever!

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:33:14am

GOP senators are doing that math right now…

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:34:19am

A reminder to all: Trump does not read — all he knows about the IG report is what he hears on Fox and the pablum that Barr fed to him. So his furious tweets are similar to what happened after the Barr summary of Mueller: regurgitating what he’s been told and believing that it protects him — and unfortunately millions of Americans will be following in lockstep. Repeating lies often enough can incorporate them into mythology of a nation and that’s that they are aiming at.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:35:02am

re: #158 makeitstop

No, lol, Charlie Pierce. I corrected the post

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:37:42am

re: #166 makeitstop

That is great news!!

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:37:59am

re: #167 Hecuba’s daughter

A reminder to all: Trump does not read — all he knows about the IG report is what he hears on Fox and the pablum that Barr fed to him. So his furious tweets are similar to what happened after the Barr summary of Mueller: regurgitating what he’s been told and believing that it protects him — and unfortunately millions of Americans will be following in lockstep. Repeating lies often enough can incorporate them into mythology of a nation and that’s that they are aiming at.

w/r/t to this, the general Fox phenomenon (do do do do do ) and nikki haley’s comments about the flag… this has probably been noted and observed by people smarter and faster than me:

sure haley can get away with those comments right now
in a normal world it would haunt someone who was going to run for prez

clearly it’ll help with ‘the base’

i think we’re kind of at a cusp or transition time - presidentially speaking

there are just enough R’s strategically spread nationwide that they can use the electoral college to advantage - when/if they’re lucky

i think though, that the base is static and likely shrinking. it will soon reach a point where this temporary electoral college sometime advantage disappears

doesnt negate all the damage done or the judiciary etc
nevertheless i see a long term glimmer

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:38:13am

re: #166 makeitstop

GOP senators are doing that math right now…

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He’ll lose it if any Republican votes to remove him. A Senate trial will also expose more of McConnells unethical crap.

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:40:06am

re: #162 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Counterpoint:

Trump’s tweets form the basis for Fox news coverage and he floats his conspiracy crap there where Fox picks it up and amplifies it for all to see and hear.

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:40:26am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:42:25am

re: #173 lawhawk

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He’s already going nuclear meltdown right now!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:43:24am

re: #172 lawhawk

Counterpoint:

Trump’s tweets form the basis for Fox news coverage and he floats his conspiracy crap there where Fox picks it up and amplifies it for all to see and hear.

I know this. FNC and right wing media will go out of their way to discredit the next Dem president and try to get him or her impeached out of revenge.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:43:36am

re: #172 lawhawk

Counterpoint:

Trump’s tweets form the basis for Fox news coverage and he floats his conspiracy crap there where Fox picks it up and amplifies it for all to see and hear.

yeah, you’re right

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:45:01am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I know this. FNC and right wing media will go out of their way to discredit the next Dem president and try to get him or her impeached out of revenge.

They already did that with Bill Clinton and you damn well know they will do it to Warren on Day One!

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:46:37am

re: #177 Joe Bacon 🌹

They already did that with Bill Clinton and you damn well know they will do it to Warren on Day One!

Lest we forget, the GOP were openly stating they’d impeach Clinton on day 1.

They were willing to overrule the duly held vote had Clinton won the EC. The project their criminal conduct and malfeasance on to their rivals. It’s what the GOP does.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:46:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:47:17am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:47:26am

re: #177 Joe Bacon 🌹

They already did that with Bill Clinton and you damn well know they will do it to Warren on Day One!

Exactly

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:47:31am

Went to see the Amish Christmas trail of lights last night at the arboretum. It was beautiful.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:48:00am

re: #177 Joe Bacon 🌹

They already did that with Bill Clinton and you damn well know they will do it to Warren on Day One!

Not if we reduce them to a mewling minority in both houses. Taking the presidency isn’t going to be enough.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:48:00am

“How can you get me the electoral college win this time?”

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:49:18am

re: #182 GlutenFreeJesus

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Went to see the Amish Christmas trail of lights last night at the arboretum. It was beautiful.

They should turn the lights on. The photos are all black for me.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:49:40am

re: #184 jaunte

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“How can you get me the electoral college win this time?”

“Election security.”

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:50:04am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

He’ll lose it if any Republican votes to remove him. A Senate trial will also expose more of McConnells unethical crap.

It’s a little early to see it right now, but actually laying out the articles of impeachment takes the discussion out of the hypothetical. The shit is real now.

In every Republican senator’s heart resides one basic truth - they’ll defend Trump until the potential for damage to their career gets too close.

Keep their gig, or prop up an asshole who would throw them over the side without a second thought? Geez, tough choice. /

Self-preservation is going to start kicking in, and soon.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:50:05am

re: #185 Eventual Carrion

Not a fan of dark humor?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:50:28am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Not if we reduce them to a mewling minority in both houses. Taking the presidency isn’t going to be enough.

That’s why every election matters. Something my generation has yet to get.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:50:33am

Was a traitor ever more transparent?

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:51:04am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

“Election security.”

Yes, about how the Senate won’t vote for any so Russia has nothing to worry about when they do their election rigging thing again.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:51:18am

re: #187 makeitstop

It’s a little early to see it right now, but actually laying out the articles of impeachment takes the discussion out of the hypothetical. The shit is real now.

In every Republican senator’s heart resides one basic truth - they’ll defend Trump until the potential for damage to their career gets too close.

Keep their gig, or prop up an asshole who would throw them over the side without a second thought? Geez, tough choice. /

Self-preservation is going to start kicking in, and soon.

Yep. If they see Trump as a threat to their own power, they’ll jettison him.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:52:16am
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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:52:33am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Yep. If they see Trump as a threat to their own power, they’ll jettison him.

In a minute.

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Jay C  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:53:14am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I know this. FNC and right wing media will go out of their way to discredit the next Dem president and try to get him or her impeached out of revenge.

And it won’t mean crap: 1) Congress is the only audience that matters, and 2) there has to be some “there” there: as long as Republicans don’t have a House majority, and said Dem President keeps a clean house (not hard compared to Trump’s sick clownfest), the RWNJ media will just be barking into the wind. Not that that doesn’t have its own downside…

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:54:09am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I know this. FNC and right wing media will go out of their way to discredit the next Dem president and try to get him or her impeached out of revenge.

This has already happened: what do you think that the Clinton impeachment was about? Cable news keeps on repeating how rare impeachment of a president is — it’s only happened 3 times in the past and now this will be the 4th time. The right approach is to look at most recent 9 presidents (Nixon and his successors) — so this will make it 33%. The Republicans discredited the impeachment process by their persecution of Clinton from the day he took office and the unending investigations parked by Vince Foster’s suicide.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:54:14am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Yep. If they see Trump as a threat to their own power, they’ll jettison him.

Watch and see if there is a motion in the Senate to cast a secret ballot on the articles of impeachment. If that happens, it’s game over!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:55:57am

re: #195 Jay C

And it won’t mean crap: 1) Congress is the only audience that matters, and 2) there has to be some “there” there: as long as Republicans don’t have a House majority, and said Dem President keeps a clean house (not hard compared to Trump’s sick clownfest), the RWNJ media will just be barking into the wind. Not that that doesn’t have its own downside…

The most likely scandal for Pres Warren is going to involve a cornbread recipe.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:56:26am

Another reason Trump is losing his mind…

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:57:12am

re: #177 Joe Bacon 🌹

They already did that with Bill Clinton and you damn well know they will do it to Warren on Day One!

Only if they retake the House.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:57:40am

re: #198 Decatur Deb

The most likely scandal for Pres Warren is going to involve a cornbread recipe.

Butbutbut…She made 2 MILLION DOLLARS!!!!1!11ty!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:57:47am

re: #196 Hecuba’s daughter

This has already happened: what do you think that the Clinton impeachment was about? Cable news keeps on repeating how rare impeachment of a president is — it’s only happened 3 times in the past and now this will be the 4th time. The right approach is to look at most recent 9 presidents (Nixon and his successors) — so this will make it 33%. The Republicans discredited the impeachment process by their persecution of Clinton from the day he took office and the unending investigations parked by Vince Foster’s suicide.

I didn’t say it was without precedent. And yes Republicans certainly did discredit the process when they decided to impeach Bill for perjury over a sexual affair. And that’s something that every Democrat of left leaning pundit needs to point out when Republicans and right wingers cry that this isn’t what the founders intended impeachment for.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:59:49am

re: #200 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Only if they retake the House.

What we need to do is establish a permanent majority in the House because it is very likely that 2022 if history plays out will be a year favorable to Republicans if a Democrat is elected President. The thing that pisses me off time and time again thinking about 2010 and I feel guilty about it because 2010 is the only time I didn’t vote (I was really confused how to vote absentee from college) is that so many of the 2008 Obama voters that voted for him and gave him and the Dems their strongest position in years squandered it because they were too impatient and tehy let the stupid Tea Party take the narrative over.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:59:52am

Twitter won’t autoban neo-Nazis because the filters may ban GOP politicians

During an all-hands staff meeting on March 22nd, an employee asked why the company refrains from using its AI to kick white nationalists off the site. After all, Twitter had previously ushered a sweep of bans on accounts pushing Islamic State propaganda. The answer was unsurprising for anyone who’s ever perused Twitter: Content filters created to identify hate speech could potentially result in Republican politicians being banned, an executive explained.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:00:22am

re: #187 makeitstop

It’s a little early to see it right now, but actually laying out the articles of impeachment takes the discussion out of the hypothetical. The shit is real now.

In every Republican senator’s heart resides one basic truth - they’ll defend Trump until the potential for damage to their career gets too close.

Keep their gig, or prop up an asshole who would throw them over the side without a second thought? Geez, tough choice. /

Self-preservation is going to start kicking in, and soon.

another thing that will start to happen soon is the R’s in the house won’t be ‘defending’ trump, deflecting, muddying the waters etc. (in the media sure they will)

but now trump and his team have to actually mount a defense themselves and ‘we should be investigating burisma’ i dont think will cut it as an answer to the actual charges

and that’s partially because as has been testified, if the president wanted to investigate burisma / ukraine corruption, there’s a mechanism for that and all he has to do is say ‘go’

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:00:47am

re: #195 Jay C

And it won’t mean crap: 1) Congress is the only audience that matters, and 2) there has to be some “there” there: as long as Republicans don’t have a House majority, and said Dem President keeps a clean house (not hard compared to Trump’s sick clownfest), the RWNJ media will just be barking into the wind. Not that that doesn’t have its own downside…

It won’t mean crap but it’s going to continue the division of our country. We need to discredit both the R’s in Congress and in the media as nothing but Trump’s lackeys.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:01:06am

re: #204 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Twitter won’t autoban neo-Nazis because the filters may ban GOP politicians

Maybe that’s on the GOP but nah Jack wouldn’t think about that.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:03:16am

re: #200 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Only if they retake the House.

and when a dem or specifically Warren wins, the odds of also an R house are close to zero

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:04:39am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:05:08am

re: #208 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

and when a dem or specifically Warren wins, the odds of also an R house are close to zero

Let me just say. I hope 2022 isn’t a repeat of 2010. We need to establish a strong Democratic majority house that will stand for years. To me, that’s as important as the Presidency itself.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:05:31am

re: #209 jaunte

Mitch is the do nothing not Pelosi. Fucking shitbags.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:07:21am

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Let me just say. I hope 2022 isn’t a repeat of 2010. We need to establish a strong Democratic majority house that will stand for years. To me, that’s as important as the Presidency itself.

i meant 2020 only
youre right of course

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:08:06am

re: #151 makeitstop

I believe Yoho is number 22. Rats, ship, etc.

“I couldn’t vote against him, so I’m running away.”

I may not like much about Amash, but at least he’s doing the right thing.

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:08:54am

re: #157 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

just to pedant

the committee obtained phone call logs from telephone service providers pursuant to subpoenas

nunes phone number was identified as the other end of some of the calls

no one ‘matched’ it to nunes as collins suggested yesterday
they saw a pattern of calls to a number and then identified it
(metadata phone records are meaningless on their own until you ID who the individual is talking with)

no one obtained nunes’ phone records and still have not

You wrote the longform of what I was implying.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:09:27am

re: #212 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

i meant 2020 only
youre right of course

Oh yeah, if we win in 2020, we probably not only have retained the House but expanded it and possibly won the Senate. I just don’t want a let down in 2022. It’s very rare for the President’s party to gain seats in the first midterm election. However, I do think if we do it right, we can limit Republican gains in 2022 and set up 2024 for a good re-election year.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:10:24am

Reminder that the Trump gang should be tried for crimes against humanity.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:10:27am

re: #204 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Twitter won’t autoban neo-Nazis because the filters may ban GOP politicians

So BAN THE FUCKING POLITICIANS. Let them face consequences for what they really are. Why do they deserve the damn kid gloves treatment? JFC.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:10:53am

re: #213 Belafon

“I couldn’t vote against him, so I’m running away.”

I may not like much about Amash, but at least he’s doing the right thing.

I’m interested in seeing what happens to Amash. There are Libertarians who think this is his ticket to being a national LP candidate but I’d be shocked if he survives re-election.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:12:14am

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

So BAN THE FUCKING POLITICIANS. Let them face consequences for what they really are. Why do they deserve the damn kid gloves treatment? JFC.

Seriously, if they’re triggering the filters that also would ban Neo-Nazis. Maybe that’s a fucking problem with the GOP rhetoric. And yeah GOP politicians do sound a lot more ike Neo-Nazis now than they did in the past. That’s a fucking fact. There’s a reason why the Neo-Nazis have embraced the GOP in the age of Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:13:19am

re: #216 jaunte

Reminder that the Trump gang should be tried for crimes against humanity.

The generation of my niece’s children will learn about this in school and be amazed that we did this or they won’t learn about it at all. This is a dark chapter. We were supposed to have learned our lessons from history but we haven’t and that’s what makes this whole era so infuriating to me as a history student.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:13:59am

re: #184 jaunte

[Embedded content]

“How can you get me the electoral college win this time?”

Did you mean “the popular vote win”?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:16:54am

re: #221 The Pie Overlord!

Did you mean “the popular vote win”?

Bingo. This is what Donnies ego REALLY wants.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:17:23am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:18:41am

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

Bingo. This is what Donnies ego REALLY wants.

Which is why he obsesses over the “voter fraud”. He knows that he “won” due to an outdated system. I’d be shocked if he gets over 50% of the vote this time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:19:54am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:20:26am

re: #223 The Pie Overlord!

Well when you’re okay with the breaking and entering because it got you the insurance money you just don’t care. Trump has made it clear that he trusts the Russians over our IC. The question that we need to keep on pounding on is “why?” and that’s why the investigations are necessary. And I’m honestly curious about how Senate Republicans went from acknowledging that Ukraine did not interfere to starting to spout out the Trump line. Is it politics? Is it something more disturbing than that?

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plansbandc  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:22:43am

:D

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:23:10am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

In the end, Trump does not challenge their status quo. Warren is very much a threat to their status quo of being mediocre intellect males who have influence. That’s what Warren scares certain individuals the most. She’s a threat to their influence that tehy don’t deserve. Joe wasn’t an upstanding Congressman and even left Congress under a cloud. Steve’s campaign work with McCain left a lot to be desired. A Warren presidency would see more men and women of different backgrounds rising on their individual merits rather than being chummy with the right people.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:23:18am

re: #214 Belafon

You wrote the longform of what I was implying.

that’s why i get the big bucks //

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:23:33am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not sure what they’re saying, but most of us don’t consider making money as contradicting that maybe you can make too much money and it should go to help others. When you make billions, espouse that we need to help people, and yet spend your mony on getting politicians to get you tax cuts that are paid for by reducing services for the poor, that’s hypocrisy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:26:36am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Which is why he obsesses over the “voter fraud”. He knows that he “won” due to an outdated system. I’d be shocked if he gets over 50% of the vote this time.

What makes you think that the Russians cannot manipulate the actual vote count? McConnell is blocking all bills on election security. MoscowMitch and the rest of the merry gang of Putin followers that comprise the modern GOP are all in line with Russian interference, though apparently they don’t yet think it’s sufficiently effective to guarantee them control of the House. But that day is coming.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:26:55am

You gotta remember that Schmidt and Scarborough are still right wingers. They still have a big problem with the idea that government and should be an agent of positive socio-economic change. Yeah maybe they’re not outright crooked like Trump and his family but they’re definitely guys who are threatened by the creation of a new Middle Class that gets there through the same and or similiar social programs that benefited their moms and dads in the post WWII era. I’m not a huge Warren fan but you have to be naive if you don’t see that is what angers so many Never Trump conservatives about her. They’re too cowardly to admit that conservative ideology is a big part of the problem in why someone like Trump was palatable to the electorate..

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:27:23am

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

So BAN THE FUCKING POLITICIANS. Let them face consequences for what they really are. Why do they deserve the damn kid gloves treatment? JFC.

put another way, if a politician is caught by an ‘anti-nazi’ filter, he should be banned for being a nazi.

how else did the filter catch him/her?

nazis who are also ‘politicians’ shouldnt get some special kind of pass

besides numerically there are actually so few politicians (way less than nazis) that each and every one ‘caught’ could easily be reviewed by a human

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:28:01am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:28:17am

re: #231 Hecuba’s daughter

What makes you think that the Russians cannot manipulate the actual vote count? McConnell is blocking all bills on election security. MoscowMitch and the rest of the merry gang of Putin followers that comprise the modern GOP are all in line with Russian interference, though apparently they don’t yet think it’s sufficiently effective to guarantee them control of the House. But that day is coming.

I said I would be shocked if he got over 50% of the vote not that it was impossible. Remember also that there are a lot more Democratic secretaries of states that will be looking over the results in 2020 than there were in 2016. I see nothing that suggests that Trump will get over 50% of the popular vote at this time.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:31:40am

It’s also not in the Kremlin’s interest for Trump to be seen as popular. Obviously they would prefer they keep their puppet in power but the ideal situation for the Kremlin is Trump again losing the popular vote but winning the EC or if they really want chaos to have Trump win the popular vote but lose the EC. They’re not doing what they do out of a great love for Trump. They’re doing what they do because they want Americans disillusioned with the process and I hate to say it but it’s worked to some extent. Trump has definitely disillusioned me. Not with Democracy itself but with my fellow Americans.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:31:59am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

I said I would be shocked if he got over 50% of the vote not that it was impossible. Remember also that there are a lot more Democratic secretaries of states that will be looking over the results in 2020 than there were in 2016. I see nothing that suggests that Trump will get over 50% of the popular vote at this time.

But he doesn’t need 50% of the popular vote — after all Hillary received only 48% of the popular vote, while soundly defeating Trump by almost 3 million votes. He wants to receive a plurality so he can claim that more people supported him than any of the other candidates.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:34:59am

re: #237 Hecuba’s daughter

But he doesn’t need 50% of the popular vote — after all Hillary received only 48% of the popular vote, while soundly defeating Trump by almost 3 million votes. He wants to receive a plurality so he can claim that more people supported him than any of the other candidates.

No, he doesn’t need over 50% to win. That’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about how his ego needs over 50% of the vote which is a totally different animal. It still bothers him that he lost the popular vote and did not get over 50% of the vote. There’s a reason why he still claims there was voter fraud even though he technically won. He’s definitely got a lot of jealously of Obama for actually winning with over 50% of the vote twice. It’s an ego thing. It’s kind of how if you’re an athlete you like to win the close games obviously but you prefer to win big.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:36:48am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:38:49am

re: #239 Patricia Kayden

Pelosi is confident and why shouldn’t she be? More people want to impeach Trump than they did Clinton or Nixon. GOP incumbents are leaving the House. Trump has done nothing to put a real defense against his pending impeachment or increase his popularity. When we vote, we win. We can fret about the Russians and rightfully so but they could have helped him in 2018 and I’m not saying they did not but it still wasn’t enough.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:40:04am

So the Democrats show they can govern and do what’s best for the country by supporting the trade deal: cnn.com

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:42:01am

🤑🎅👗🍨 On a side note, I just discovered that Win10 has emojis when you right click 👏💯🔅

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:43:12am

re: #242 Dr. Matt

Thank you!!!

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:43:24am

re: #241 Hecuba’s daughter

Asked why Democrats would hand Trump a victory on a major legislative priority even as the House proceeds with articles of impeachment

“Because we’re adults, and the country doesn’t stop functioning just because Trump is a criminal.”

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:44:49am

re: #242 Dr. Matt

A thousand years from now, people will come across communications from this era and wonder what the fuck we’re talking about because of these emojis and their meanings are somehow lost to history.

💩 to that

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:46:41am

re: #245 lawhawk

A thousand years from now, people will come across communications from this era and wonder what the fuck we’re talking about because of these emojis and their meanings are somehow lost to history.

💩 to that

They will need to find an emoji version of the Rosetta Stone!

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gocart mozart  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:48:34am

re: #125 Joe Bacon 🌹

J. Edgar Transvestite didn’t exactly set it off on the right path.

More accurate!

J. Edgar Gay Homophobe is most accurate.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:50:18am

re: #246 Joe Bacon 🌹

They will need to find an emoji version of the Rosetta Stone!

Tom Hanks’ future, future, future ancestors will star in a series of movies about unlocking the secrets of the ancients’ symbol-based language.

Let us not kid ourselves, in 1000 years Waterworld will be a likely reality.

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:51:16am

re: #246 Joe Bacon 🌹

We’ve gone from having hieroglyphics to written language with individual letters that group together to form words that then group together to form concepts back to hieroglyphics that stand for words and concepts.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:51:51am

re: #248 Dr. Matt

Tom Hanks’ future, future, future ancestors will star in a series of movies about unlocking the secrets of the ancients’ symbol-based language.

Let us not kid ourselves, in 1000 years Waterworld will be a likely reality.

I for one welcome our bottlenosed overlords.

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sagehen  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:52:35am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Laura and the Bush daughters are considerably more socially liberal than their husband and father for example. Barbara (HW’s wife) was pro choice well after he flip flopped to appease the Reaganites.

Every Republican presidential nominee since Reagan has called themselves pro-life.

Every one of their wives and daughters (including Reagan’s) have been publicly, vocally, pro-choice.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:53:31am

re: #249 lawhawk

We’ve gone from having hieroglyphics to written language with individual letters that group together to form words that then group together to form concepts back to hieroglyphics that stand for words and concepts.

Okay, I’m dizzy.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:53:52am

re: #251 sagehen

Every Republican presidential nominee since Reagan has called themselves pro-life.

Every one of their wives and daughters (including Reagan’s) have been publicly, vocally, pro-choice.

Almost makes one think that the whole anti abortion thing is one giant pander. The anti gay thing too. I thought Nancy was anti choice tho.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:54:20am

re: #246 Joe Bacon 🌹

They will need to find an emoji version of the Rosetta Stone!

“It appears the Eggplant was highly prized in this culture for some yet as unknown reason…”

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:55:56am

So MSNBC apparently just let Barr spread his disinfo in an interview with Pete Williams, I hear. The main thing that was really really important considering the smear job he did on Mueller was to NOT LET HIM DO THAT AGAIN.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:58:34am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:59:27am

re: #256 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Fuck Barr.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:59:43am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Almost makes one think that the whole anti abortion thing is one giant pander.

Absolutely. Imagine the fundraising bucks they’d give up if Roe v. Wade was actually overturned.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:00:27am

Barr somehow manages to be worse than Sessions, Alberto Gonzalez, & Ashcroft because his sole mission is unregulated Republican executive power.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:01:10am

re: #258 makeitstop

Absolutely. Imagine the fundraising bucks they’d give up if Roe v. Wade was actually overturned.

They would lose the Catholics. They already struggle with Catholics compared to Protestants.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:01:35am

Gates definitely rolled on somebody besides Manafort.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:01:58am
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EPR-radar  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:04:28am

re: #262 Charles Johnson

Because the media is bought and paid for to propagate the Great Both-siderist Lie.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:07:20am

re: #262 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

If we lose our democracy, the media will have both sides our way to it.

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Interesting Times  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:07:31am

re: #244 Belafon

“Because we’re adults, and the country doesn’t stop functioning just because Trump is a criminal.”

Not everyone thinks so…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:07:37am

re: #263 EPR-radar

Because the media is bought and paid for to propagate the Great Both-siderist lie.

Sigh exactly

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:08:17am

re: #262 Charles Johnson

Because the media fucking sucks, that’s why.

They still remain determined to treat this like any regular administration.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:08:21am

re: #265 Interesting Times

Not everyone thinks so…

[Embedded content]

Easy for Wilson to say.

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:08:28am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Almost makes one think that the whole anti abortion thing is one giant pander. The anti gay thing too. I thought Nancy was anti choice tho.

All the culture war stuff is pandering. Because social conservatives have lost the culture war, even though - like the proverbial lone soldier on a deserted island - they are the only ones left fighting the war after all these years.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:08:31am

re: #262 Charles Johnson

No difference between the DC Press Corpse and TASS/Pravda/Izvestia.

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:08:42am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Too bad Schultz didn’t run, or we would have been rid of Schmidt’s bullshit on MSNBC.

Note—not sad that there isn’t another billionaire fouling up the works, but at least we wouldn’t have to listen to Schmidt pontificate so much if he was working on a campaign.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:09:10am

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

Because the media fucking sucks, that’s why.

They still remain determined to treat this like any regular administration.

A lot of people make that mistake at their own peril.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:10:07am

re: #269 KGxvi

All the culture war stuff is pandering. Because social conservatives have lost the culture war, even though - like the proverbial lone soldier on a deserted island - they are the only ones left fighting the war after all these years.

I imagine there are few true so con true believers. Even ones we think are like Santorum are frauds.

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:11:07am

re: #265 Interesting Times

Not everyone thinks so…

If Pelosi thought in pure “net political positives” for Democrats, she would never have passed the ACA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:13:00am

re: #247 gocart mozart

J. Edgar Gay Homophobe is most accurate.

The legend I heard is that J Edgar was a pudding packer. The mob had the goods on him and threatened to reveal it if he leaned on them too hard. J Edgar had to do something to justify his existence, so he became Commie Hunter #1 and let the mob flourish undisturbed.

Which perfectly sums up what America was like in the 50’s and 60’s…

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:13:05am

re: #262 Charles Johnson

$

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:14:23am

re: #265 Interesting Times

“For all the skill Nancy Pelosi has displayed as a political opposition leader against Trump, the idea that working with him is a net political positive for the Democrats is scorchingly stupid.” —

it wasnt done for a net political gain
it was to protect workers

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:16:01am
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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:16:54am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

I imagine there are few true so con true believers. Even ones we think are like Santorum are frauds.

My gut is that the people who actually run for political office are rarely true believers of any sort. They’ve got ideologies and principles, but I suspect that most are willing/able to compromise on most every issue.

The real true believers can rarely (if ever) get elected.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:19:53am

What are the current odds that Donnie torpedoes NAFTA 2.0?


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