The Bob Cesca Podcast: Articles of Impeachment

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Articles Of Impeachment — NSFW! Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; Democrats introduce two articles of impeachment against Donald Trump; Avoiding Newt’s mistakes in the Clinton impeachment; Adam Schiff’s remarks; Adam Schiff on waiting and cheating; The Justice Department’s IG report is out; The battle between reality and fantasy; Trump didn’t read the Horowitz Report; Stephanie Grisham lies about falsified evidence; Bill Barr and John Durham disagree with IG’s findings; Trump bashes Chris Wray; Daniel Goldman and Eric Swalwell owned the Judiciary Committee’s testimony this week; With music by Megan McDuffee and Carrie Hamilton; and more!

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359 comments

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:31:23pm

Wouldn’t surprise me if he did.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:32:46pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:34:16pm

Hank Gilbert is a Democrat running against none other than Louis Gohmert.

Hank Gilbert for Congress

Hank is a rancher and former high school Ag teacher.

The Trump-Gohmert tax cuts have exploded the federal deficit while doing almost nothing to grow the economy, and putting the biggest tax breaks in the hands of the wealthiest Americans and billion-dollar corporations while leaving the middle class with only a few extra dollars in their paycheck, but a bigger tax bill and smaller refund when tax day comes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:35:36pm

re: #2 jaunte

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Kindling for the fires of the Apocalypse. The Evangelicals will hop on the bandwagon.

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aatharuv  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:37:28pm

As a comment from the previous thread, the othering of Jews in college ties to another thing the paleocons have been talking about for at least a couple of decades — the underrepresentation of white gentiles in elite college.

Watch them try to get more racial stats including the proportions of Jews in elite colleges, “to make sure Jews aren’t getting persecuted by the leftist Social Justice Warriors, of course”.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:37:45pm

re: #4 Blind Frog Belly White

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:40:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:42:09pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:44:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:45:35pm

he just keeps talking…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:47:01pm

re: #7 jaunte

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Yeah, no way this has unexpected consequences of anything. I’m sure that, given the professionalism and thoughtfulness of the whole Trump Administration, they’ve considered everything carefully before taking such actions.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:48:45pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rudy tells @jdawsey1 that SDNY probe is “most unfair, vindictive investigation they have ever conducted.”

He better be careful. Trump won’t like hearing Rudy thinks he’s treated more unfairly.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:49:29pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Hank Gilbert is a Democrat running against none other than Louis Gohmert.

Hank Gilbert for Congress

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Hank is a rancher and former high school Ag teacher.

Good luck to him. I know the odds are against him but anyone who runs against an incumbent Republican on the Democratic line no matter the odds is doing democracy a service.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:53:32pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 3:57:29pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:00:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:03:40pm
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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:04:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:04:57pm

re: #16 The Pie Overlord!

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Your president’s favorite rally chant is “Lock her up.” Tough shit that presidents have accountability.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:05:41pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Good luck to him. I know the odds are against him but anyone who runs against an incumbent Republican on the Democratic line no matter the odds is doing democracy a service.

He’ll have to have real good name recognition in the community and real good Church creds.

We’re talking deep red N.E. Texas.
Beautiful country but a bit in their ways there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:06:34pm

O_o

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:06:39pm

re: #9 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I love that account.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:07:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:08:27pm

re: #20 Dave In Austin

He’ll have to have real good name recognition in the community and real good Church creds.

We’re talking deep red N.E. Texas.
Beautiful country but a bit in their ways there.

Yeah. There are always some Interesting surprises though. The biggest one was the lady in Oklahoma who won. Forget her name. Gotta give the guy props even though it’s unlikely he’ll win.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:13:53pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:16:05pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:20:34pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, no way this has unexpected consequences of anything. I’m sure that, given the professionalism and thoughtfulness of the whole Trump Administration, they’ve considered everything carefully before taking such actions.

All you need to know is that it was crafted by that genius of all things, Jared and his buddy, Avi Berkowitz…oh, and that Norm Coleman LOVES it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:21:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:22:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:23:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:24:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:27:19pm

jeebus

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:27:39pm

re: #2 jaunte

Did Trump really say that?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:28:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:29:47pm
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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:31:09pm

re: #28 The Pie Overlord!

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:31:51pm

re: #33 Ace Rothstein

NYT: President Trump will sign an executive order defining Judaism as a nationality, not just a religion, thus bolstering the Education Department’s efforts to stamp out “Boycott Israel” movements on college campuses

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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:33:29pm

I guess Jews will have to carry Jewish (Israeli?) passports instead of US passports, or will they just be able to get by with a yellow star on their clothing?

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:34:11pm

Now we see why Jared couldn’t get a security clearance, not being fully American.
///////////

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:34:15pm

Government endorsed Antisemitism.

If memory serves, that’s caused a few problems before in other countries…

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:35:23pm

my favorite love story / musical is The Music Man

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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:38:23pm
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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:39:33pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:42:43pm

Fuck the Goldwater rule.

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LastYearsMan  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:43:00pm

re: #5 aatharuv

Trying to keep Jews out of Harvard and other elite schools was the primary driver in creating the “well-rounded man” approach to college applications, as opposed to grades or standardized tests.
nybooks.com

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:43:38pm

re: #36 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Well if you’re gonna be technical//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:45:22pm

morons, all of them

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:45:52pm

re: #36 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

without due process of law

This is why conservatives are so excited about Trump cramming the judiciary full of unprincipled ideologues.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:48:01pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:50:37pm

It’s not all bad news

David Wasserman: “When President Trump was inaugurated in 2017, there were 241 Republicans in the House. Since then, 104 of them (43%) have either retired, been defeated, or are forgoing reelection in 2020.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:52:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:54:08pm

JFC

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:55:57pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:56:49pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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Doesn’t sound “almost” drunk, he sounds pissed his pants drunk.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:58:03pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:58:13pm

Found guilty

Prosecutors questioned nearly 30 witnesses during the trial, including family and friends of the doctors, first responders and investigators. Teixeira’s defense did not present any evidence but challenged the credibility and accuracy of the police investigation

Would that the same thing happens in the Senate and no not holding breath

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:59:03pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

morons, all of them

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When exactly was the NYT like a “leaflet you get at a grocery store?” According to the fat fuck, it only got thick after he started running. What an asshole.

Trying to be objective (I know, hard) but how can anyone watch his creepy mouth and his bloated face and his jerky movements and not be repulsed? I can’t listen to the voice—that would send me over the edge, but I’m still astounded that there are people who watch him yammer and bob and weave and think, PRESIDENTIAL!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 4:59:59pm

this thread!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:00:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:00:51pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:00:55pm

re: #57 BeachDem

When exactly was the NYT like a “leaflet you get at a grocery store?” According to the fat fuck, it only got thick after he started running. What an asshole.

Trying to be objective (I know, hard) but how can anyone watch his creepy mouth and his bloated face and his jerky movements and not be repulsed? I can’t listen to the voice—that would send me over the edge, but I’m still astounded that there are people who watch him yammer and bob and weave and think, PRESIDENTIAL!!

I cannot listen to him at all — and either mute or change the channel whenever he appears on the screen.

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bratwurst  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:03:09pm

Idea: let’s compile a list of media folks who take Mitt Romney’s declaration of an “open mind” regarding impeachment seriously so we know who we never ever have to pay attention to ever again.

No point in putting Chris Cillizza on the list, of course. Nobody with significant brainwave activity pays attention to him as it is.

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plansbandc  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:05:20pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

Baby has grandma’s smile. <3

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ckkatz  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:05:21pm

re: #26 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I used mineral oil for a certain pet cat, but…

From the ‘inter-web’:

If you unintentionally trap a small animal that you didn’t intend to trap such as a lizard or snake, it can usually be released from the trap in the same manner. The nature of glue traps is that the more an animal struggles, the more stuck it becomes, so try to keep the animal calm, and keep it from sticking its nose in the glue.

Wear heavy gloves to avoid bites. Pour cooking oil on the trap glue at the points where the animal is caught and massage the animal’s skin or fur to work the oil into the glue. You may need to use a lot of oil (but don’t drown the poor animal!) so do this where spilled oil won’t be a problem. It will take a few minutes for the oil massage to work. Once the animal is free, give it a soapy bath to remove the oil (if it’s your pet) or take it to a veterinarian for follow-up care.

colonialpest.com

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:05:37pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread!

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I love Connie Schultz. My favorite story, told to me by a Dem friend who was there, happened at a party where Connie and Sherrod were in attendance. Somebody (who obviously didn’t know who was who) was talking to Connie and made some remark about Sherrod’s voice not being very pleasing, to which Connie, straight-faced, said, “Well, it’s pretty pleasing when it’s coming from the pillow next to mine” (paraphrasing)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:08:31pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:10:05pm

re: #64 ckkatz

That baby mouse haunts me. I was devastated.

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steve_davis  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:10:08pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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the good news is that two speeding tickets just mysteriously vanished from your car insurance record.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:11:00pm

A “sir” (or as he pronounces it, “shur”) story, so obvious that it’s fake as shit.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:12:39pm

I have never see a cartoon this accurate.

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steve_davis  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:12:40pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s the Democratic party, you ignorant twit.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:13:27pm
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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:18:12pm

re: #69 The Pie Overlord!

A “sir” (or as he pronounces it, “shur”) story, so obvious that it’s fake as shit.

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Too bad Daniel Dale is off till 12/15—that’s one of his favorite “sir” stories. (It’s usually a big, burly policeman with tears in his eyes)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:20:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:20:58pm
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ckkatz  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:23:05pm

re: #67 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It is sad that unintended consequences can be that way.

If it is any consolation, there are lots of videos on youtube where kind people successfully release a trapped small animal. But within a few seconds there are unintended but devastating consequences (to the just freed animal). Nature can be cruel in that way.

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:23:29pm

Wow, today’s telling of the sir story has the 401k going up 79%. That escalated quickly!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:24:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:24:40pm
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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:24:55pm

More details about the Jersey City mass shooting. Apparently, it began as investigation into a murder in neighboring Bayonne NJ. Plainclothes officers approached a vehicle linked to the homicide and the occupants opened fire.

That led to the wild scene and running gun battle before ending in the Jewish supermarket.

4 dead, including a cop. The two perps are also dead.

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:26:31pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And let’s not EVER forget “Pleasure”

Trump confused over fire-hit town Paradise: ‘Pleasure, what a name’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:26:56pm

nobody told him…

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:26:58pm

re: #77 BeachDem

No one’s 401k has gone up more than 25%, let alone 79%. It’s a fucking lie like everything else that come’s out of his fat orange piehole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:31:39pm
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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:32:32pm

Fuck Trump and Fuck the GOP.

If Trump thinks this is going to gain him a single Jewish vote, he’s sorely mistaken. This will do him and the GOP even more damage - entirely deserved.

Trump is enabling even more anti-Semitic attacks against Jews because he’s spurring on the very anti-Semitic dual loyalties tropes that have long been used to attack Jews as the “other”.

Yes, there will be lawsuits to overturn yet another unconstitutional and illegal act by Trump. This violates the Establishment Clause, not that Trump gives a shit about the constitution or the rule of law. He just does whatever he thinks he can profit from and doesn’t care about the consequences.

Fuck Trump and Fuck the GOP that continues enabling him.

That is all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:32:54pm

Thread

the 12 tweets in between behind the clicky

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:35:50pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:38:17pm

I wonder if they’d still provide these readouts if they were made under penalty of perjury.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:38:42pm

re: #88 Dread Pirate

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:39:18pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

Aaron is all out of fucks to give. Good for him.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:40:06pm

re: #83 Ace Rothstein

No one’s 401k has gone up more than 25%, let alone 79%. It’s a fucking lie like everything else that come’s out of his fat orange piehole.

Between the day he took office and to date, the Dow Jones has risen by 41% — so indeed some of those numbers are definitely possible, especially if the balance includes additional contributions. Of course, there’s no reason to believe any truth to his particular anecdote but indeed these changes are possible over a three year period, especially for more aggressive investment strategies..

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:40:11pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:40:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:42:37pm

JFC

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:42:46pm

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE… SPACESPAAAAAAAACE!!!!

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:42:51pm
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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:44:03pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:45:49pm

re: #97 jaunte

He literally stole from his charity and nobody blinks an eye.

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plansbandc  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:46:34pm

This thing masquerading as the leader of the free world is absolutely bugshit insane.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:51:21pm

re: #99 plansbandc

And there’s eleven months until the election.

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:51:38pm

Has anyone tried “If Judaism is a nationality then why isn’t Christianity?” yet?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:52:07pm

re: #88 Dread Pirate

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I wonder if they’d still provide these readouts if they were made under penalty of perjury.

Remember that the original readout of Trump’s April 21st call included references to Trump’s commitment to “root[ing] out corruption” and to U.S. support for Ukraine’s “territorial integrity.”; the summary of the same call, released on November 15th, bore no such language.

The readout of this conversation probably summarizes what the staff told him to say and has nothing to do with the actual discussion.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:52:32pm

re: #101 Belafon

Seth Cotlar:

“…This would be a good time to remember that many white nationalists in the US, despite being antisemites, hold Israel up as a model. It’s complicated, but basically their argument is “Jews get a nation, so why can’t white Americans have one too?”

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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:55:32pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:56:34pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:57:29pm

re: #103 jaunte

White Americans can go live in Eastern Europe if they want to live in a White country. Colonizers don’t get to take over the U.S. from Native Americans, kidnap Africans to work the land and then claim it as their own fiefdom. Please!

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:57:41pm

re: #54 The Pie Overlord!

Someone soiled his pants!

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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:57:57pm

Twitter users, report this asshole for targeted harassment.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:58:32pm

re: #107 Sherlock Hound

Someone soiled his pants!

“Which one of you cowards shit my pants?”

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 10, 2019 • 5:59:25pm
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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:03:10pm
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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:09:13pm

re: #111 jaunte

Are there any queers in the theater tonight?
Get them up against the wall!
There’s one in the spotlight, he don’t look right to me,
Get him up against the wall!
That one looks Jewish!
And that one’s a coon!
Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?
There’s one smoking a joint,
And another with spots!
If I had my way,
I’d have all of you shot!

Trump’s going full fascist.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:13:57pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:14:38pm

Look at this gaslighter PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE… SPAAAAACE…

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:15:17pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:16:01pm

re: #114 The Pie Overlord!

Look at this gaslighter PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE… SPAAAAACE…

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:20:09pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:25:35pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:25:36pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:36:06pm

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:39:42pm
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Sherlock Hound  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:43:13pm

Trump’s malignant influence in Canada and worldwide. This news item’s in French, but notice the MAKE ALBERTA GREAT AGAIN caps on the Wexiteers!

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:44:42pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

BTW the Congress has a mere 2 articles of impeachment. LGF has dozens. LOL in the Pages.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:49:43pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:52:56pm

re: #122 Sherlock Hound

Trump’s malignant influence in Canada and worldwide. This news item’s in French, but notice the MAKE ALBERTA GREAT AGAIN caps on the Wexiteers!

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While they beg Ottawa for money.

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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2019 • 6:58:01pm

North Korean Leader Unveils New Mountain Resort

How does North Korea get materials for a brand new Doppelmayr chairlift? Aren’t they one of the most sanctioned economies on Earth? And I wonder how Dynastar and Marker feel about having their skis and bindings in a North Korean ski shop.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:04:23pm

re: #125 Dread Pirate

Absolutely!

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:07:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:09:18pm

re: #128 The Pie Overlord!

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Fuck him. He wrote for Breitbart for years and was fine with right wing antisemitism. He only cares about pandering to the right. There’s a big difference between nationality and culture. He knows it.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:10:33pm

re: #128 The Pie Overlord!

And all this time I thought Sean Hannity was the dumbest asswipe on the planet.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:12:01pm

re: #130 Ace Rothstein

And all this time I thought Sean Hannity was the dumbest asswipe on the planet.

Ben thinks he’s his generation’s Buckley. What he doesn’t get is that Buckley wasn’t as clever as he thought was too.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:12:51pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Fuck him. He wrote for Breitbart for years and was fine with right wing antisemitism. He only cares about pandering to the right. There’s a big difference between nationality and culture. He knows it.

This new Executive Order will mean that Ben can no longer pronounce himself the ultimate arbiter of Who Is Teh Real Juice. Not that he won’t continue to do so.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:14:10pm

#LOL@myself
Hot metals are the shop side of my jobs. Torch, induction, whatever. Tonight I come home and start in on kitchen stove cleanup and cheeseburgers. Promptly blistered two fingers and a thumb. F*** that hurts.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:15:38pm

re: #132 The Pie Overlord!

This new Executive Order will mean that Ben can no longer pronounce himself the ultimate arbiter of Who Is Teh Real Juice. Not that he won’t continue to do so.

He’s an ignorant little asshole who deserves ridicule. Fucker has the nerve to attack liberal Jews when he worked for Bannon and was Milo’s chum. He’s a self serving prick.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:15:46pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:16:40pm

re: #67 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That baby mouse haunts me. I was devastated.

I didn’t have exactly the same experience but close enough to know just what you mean. It just lingers, on and on.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:17:24pm

This is what the “Jew Order” is really all about:

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:21:42pm

Now I am wondering if maybe Bibi whispered this idea into Trump’s ear in order to goose aliyah.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:24:21pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:27:43pm

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:32:54pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:35:29pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:37:45pm

re: #142 teleskiguy

I almost feel sorry for the White House photographer getting stuck shooting these crappy pictures, but then I remember she accepted the job so nah. Her pictures are shit.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:39:41pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

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nobody told him…

Nor will anyone inform his followers.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:39:58pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:46:05pm

It sucks when you no longer hold the moral authority to speak out against an others injustice.

She noted that President Donald Trump has issued an executive order restricting entry from Muslim-majority nations, and that US military activities in the Middle East have produced large numbers of casualties.

Hua said, “The international community has every reason to raise concerns and worries about US Muslim policy.”

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:47:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:47:24pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:50:48pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

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The spelling of Resolute Desk begins with р

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:55:46pm

re: #149 Barefoot Grin

The spelling of Resolute Desk begins with р

They can start calling it the Pissalote Desk.

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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:58:19pm

Apparently my Fuckface Von Clownstick supporting congresscritter isn’t conservative enough. Hey, I’m all about circular firing squads amongst Republicans.

I wrote a page back in 2014 about this lunatic’s restaurant where all the servers pack pistols on the job. Her restaurant poisoned 80 people at the local rodeo two years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:59:05pm

Lre: #147 Barefoot Grin

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Biggest and best trade agreement in history? Yeah Trump is writing the press releases.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:59:49pm

Peace talks going well I see.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2019 • 7:59:56pm

re: #151 teleskiguy

Apparently my Fuckface Von Clownstick supporting congresscritter isn’t conservative enough. Hey, I’m all about circular firing squads amongst Republicans.

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I wrote a page back in 2014 about this lunatic’s restaurant where all the servers pack pistols on the job. Her restaurant poisoned 80 people at the local rodeo two years ago.

JzfC

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:02:08pm
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Belafon  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:05:49pm

re: #155 The Pie Overlord!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:06:08pm
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Ace-o-aces  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:12:32pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:14:05pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:19:53pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:20:44pm
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aatharuv  Dec 10, 2019 • 8:54:24pm

re: #45 LastYearsMan

Agreed. And then colleges moved towards less overtly discriminatory forms and more merit based forms of selecting students post WWII (with the emphasis on the SAT), and Jews and especially after the 1960’s non-white students started getting in.
And by the late 1990’s, the Paleocons started advocating bringing the country back to the early 20th century (in this and many other respects), except now inclusionary of white Catholics.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:02:06pm

re: #153 Dread Pirate

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Peace talks going well I see.

Just finished episode 6 of Ken Burns’ Vietnam. I don’t know how humans ever learned to knap a hand-axe.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:12:35pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:19:05pm

Bleh. Rain is switching over into snow right now and I have appointments in the city tomorrow. Hopefully the local rail system is working by mid-morning.

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Teukka  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:19:19pm

re: #70 The Pie Overlord!

I have never see a cartoon this accurate.

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Could be any hellvangelical fundamentalist (with emphasis on mental)…

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:23:31pm

re: #165 DodgerFan1988

Cenk Uygur

@cenkuygur
Guest on @TuckerCarlson said @AOC district was filthy because it’s “one of the least American” in the country. Every citizen is 100% American, no matter where they’re from. This is what GOP thinks of the rest of us- dirty immigrants. Then they wonder why we think they’re racists.

734
10:59 PM - Dec 10, 2019

Cenk isn’t always wrong.

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Teukka  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:24:46pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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TedStriker  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:43:49pm

re: #168 Hecuba’s daughter

Cenk isn’t always wrong.

He’s still an asshole, he’s just having a broken-clock moment.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2019 • 9:46:05pm

re: #170 TedStriker

He’s still an asshole, he’s just having a broken-clock moment.

Which means before week’s end, he’ll have said something to totally override any goodwill from this tweet.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:11:54pm

A month and a half ago this happened:

The community of inspectors general across the federal government’s agencies and departments, through the Inspectors General Council, wrote a letter to the Justice Department Friday pushing back against the determination that the whistleblower complaint that launched the against President Trump was not an “urgent concern.” The council is an independent entity within the executive branch.

In August, the inspector general for the intelligence community determined that the whistleblower complaint about Mr. Trump’s July 25 call with the Ukrainian president was credible and an “urgent concern” that should be shared with Congress.

However, the Office of Legal Counsel in the Justice Department decided that the complaint did not constitute an “urgent concern,” arguing that the president is not a part of the national security community. The whistleblower’s complaint was not disseminated to Congress until September, after the White House released a memo summarizing the call. The inspectors general expressed concern about what might be seen as second-guessing whistleblowers.

“If intelligence community employees and contractors believe that independent IG determinations may be second guessed, effectively blocking the transmission of their concerns to Congress and raising questions about the protections afforded to them, they will lose confidence in this important reporting channel and their willingness to come forward with information will be chilled,” the letter from the inspectors general said.

So how long do you think until the IGs collectively weigh in on Barr and Durham’s openly seditious undermining of Horowitz’s truly independent investigation and report?

Horowitz reportedly asked Durham point blank if he had any proof of a conspiracy and Durham admitted he did not. So now, put yourself in Durham’s shoes, you’re out here in a position where you can’t put up and Barr and Trump just won’t shut up. You just got roped into a wacky adventure, promises were made, the cocaine was probably really good *you can’t remember* and the point is now this Horowitz guy is fucking up your good time with your new powerful crime pals. You’d talk shit about him too.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:35:34pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

A month and a half ago this happened:

So how long do you think until the IGs collectively weigh in on Barr and Durham’s openly seditious undermining of Horowitz’s truly independent investigation and report?

Horowitz reportedly asked Durham point blank if he had any proof of a conspiracy and Durham admitted he did not. So now, put yourself in Durham’s shoes, you’re out here in a position where you can’t put up and Barr and Trump just won’t shut up. You just got roped into a wacky adventure, promises were made, the cocaine was probably really good *you can’t remember* and the point is now this Horowitz guy is fucking up your good time with your new powerful crime pals. You’d talk shit about him too.

It’s simple: Durham has been Rosensteined. As Rick Wilson so accurately phrased it, ETTD.

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ckkatz  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:51:00pm

I guess that I tend more towards StoneKettle’s viewpoint.

These folks are naturally thuggish. They do not need to be compromised or bought off. They’ll do it for free.

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ckkatz  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:53:29pm

And, apropos to nothing…

I went to the zoo and saw a baguette in a cage.
The zookeeper said it was bread in captivity.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 10, 2019 • 10:55:54pm

re: #44 teleskiguy

I read that Independent article….and I agree that it’s no longer merely a case of Trump lying, as that’s the norm for him, but that he’s becoming outright delusional as his ego crumbles.

That bit in the article about “shared psychosis” reminds me of a theme William Shirer alluded to in “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”, namely that he noticed during his time in Nazi Germany how the Nazi ideology seemed to be spreading like a virus, infecting otherwise normal and seemingly rational people.

Trumpism seems to be the same sort of virus, a mental contagion that has spread to a sizable segment of the American population. Trump, like Hitler before him, seems to excel at drawing people into his delusions.

Shirer called Hitler’s Weltanschauung a “grotesque hodgepodge concocted by a half-baked, uneducated neurotic”. He could just as easily have been speaking about Trump and his insane ideas.

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ckkatz  Dec 10, 2019 • 11:06:11pm

And a Boomer reference:

“The thread… It’s dead Jim!”
“Okay, you get the tricorder. I’ll get the wallet.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2019 • 11:25:46pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

A month and a half ago this happened:

So how long do you think until the IGs collectively weigh in on Barr and Durham’s openly seditious undermining of Horowitz’s truly independent investigation and report?

Horowitz reportedly asked Durham point blank if he had any proof of a conspiracy and Durham admitted he did not. So now, put yourself in Durham’s shoes, you’re out here in a position where you can’t put up and Barr and Trump just won’t shut up. You just got roped into a wacky adventure, promises were made, the cocaine was probably really good *you can’t remember* and the point is now this Horowitz guy is fucking up your good time with your new powerful crime pals. You’d talk shit about him too.

My impression so far is that Horowitz’s report is being received much in the way that Comey’s was after that infamous July presser. He produced a report that was much like Comey’s conclusions: A lot of mistakes were made, some bad calls were not caught, and there’re guys who should be pilloried for their actions. But not only did he stomp flat the idea that political bias was involved, he immolated that idea and then salted the earth around it.

My expectation is that today’s hearing (Dec 11th) will go much like Comey’s did after that presser: Senate Dems will look for him to expand upon his findings and reinforce the idea that the Russian Investigation was on the level, while Senate Repubs will suggest that he’s just another career guy who doesn’t like Trump and that’s why he didn’t deliver the report they were expecting.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 10, 2019 • 11:32:46pm
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ckkatz  Dec 10, 2019 • 11:34:42pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

Yale Historian Timothy Snyder pointed out:

“What we know is that people who oppose democratic republics do so by taking very different attitudes toward facts and factuality. Fascists tended to say that the whole enlightenment was a mistake, that you needed new forms of irrational politics, such as the idea that nation was made up of a mystical union with a mystical connection to the leader.”

“The lying is programmatic. It is designed to create the conditions for alternative realities and to train minds to follow changing lines rather than evaluate facts.”

Historian Timothy Snyder: Trump’s lies are creeping tyranny
vox.com

A few examples I have seen:

“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
- Karl Rove

“Alternative Facts”
- Kellyanne Conway

It seems to me that we have been on this path for a while.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2019 • 11:37:05pm

re: #179 Dread Pirate

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Meanwhile, the reality is that Art 2, Sec 3 deals with…the president communicating with Congress on the state of the union. Nowhere do any variations of the words “corruption” and “investigate” appear.

Would somebody PLEASE bang the frakin’ gong already!?

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ckkatz  Dec 10, 2019 • 11:51:02pm

Yesterday, I went into the toy store and asked the clerk where the Arnold Schwarzenegger action figures were.

She replied: “Aisle B, back”

Well, off to bed with me. G’night lizards.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:09:46am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:28:00am

re: #165 DodgerFan1988

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This shit is disgusting and the GOP and right gets away with all the time.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:32:01am

re: #184 Ace-o-aces

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That he was even a serious candidate for the GOP nomination is disturbing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:33:30am

re: #186 Dread Pirate

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This is why the crocodile tears about Hunter Biden are such bs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:38:07am

re: #7 jaunte

Thanks to the Trump administration for reminding me of my high school exchange trip to Uzbekistan in 1995, the *first* time I was constantly asked which nationality I was, American or Jew

In the USSR, “Jewish” was also a nationality.
,
Dunno how that is handled in the Russian Federation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:46:06am

re: #85 lawhawk

Fuck Trump and Fuck the GOP.

Trump to sign executive order effectively interpreting Judaism as a nationality, not just a religion and empowering the Education Department to withhold money from institutions that tolerate anti-Israel movement.

The Jewish State is not the sole arbiter of what comprises Judaism. It is a political construct founded on Judaism.

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steve_davis  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:50:11am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:57:37am

Meanwhile, the oligarch clown car rumbles along in the Czech Republic:

The company Home Credit owned by Czech tycoon Petr Kellner has financed a for pro-Chinese campaign in the Czech Republic. euractiv.cz reports.

According to Aktuálně.cz, media partner of euractiv.cz, a PR agency hired by Home Credit, a loan company, has created a network of politicians, experts but also journalists that were supposed to influence the Czech society in favour of China. Aktuálně.cz reported that not all the people involved were aware of the fact that they were part of this pro-Chinese network.

Documents show that Home Credit hired the PR agency C&B Reputation Management to spread positive information about China. Its task was also to attack critics of the Chinese regime.

The scandal involves Czech news server Info . cz, whose executive director Tomáš Jirsa is the major owner of the C&B Reputation Management. Jirsa resigned from his post in Info(.)cz just a few hours after Aktuálně.cz published the report. Info . cz was launched in 2016 and names itself as a “conservative portal”.

euractiv.com

*sigh*

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Dave In Austin  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:27:16am

Bernie creep in the polls is making me nervous

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:38:27am

re: #101 Belafon

Has anyone tried “If Judaism is a nationality then why isn’t Christianity?” yet?

electoral-vote.com this AM

Actually, it’s more like an attempt to do an end run around the law. If Congress really wants to prohibit discrimination against Jews and other religious groups, they can easily pass an updated law. Further, the new policy is rooted in two rather dubious assumptions: (1) that anti-Israel activism is inherently anti-Jewish, and (2) that Jews can properly be considered a national group. Are all Roman Catholics citizens of the Vatican? Are all Muslims citizens of Saudi Arabia? One imagines that this is going to be challenged in court by the ACLU, and that it won’t take a judge very long to make a decision.

…Of course, by declaring Judaism to be a nationality, he has just sanctioned one of the most notorious anti-Semitic stereotypes of them all, namely that Jews have loyalty to multiple nations. Does anyone in the White House think about the implications of their actions before they take them? It does not appear so. (Z)

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:42:49am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Ben thinks he’s his generation’s Buckley. What he doesn’t get is that Buckley wasn’t as clever as he thought was too.

put another way, Buckley wasn’t his generation’s Buckley

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:42:55am

The reasons for the latest EO are clear: we have Fundamentalist Christians who do not give a fuck about Jews or Judaism, but need to see a strong, resurgent Israel in order to fulfill their apocalyptic End-Times prophecies and kick-start Armageddon.

The EO is there to make it impossible for universities and other institutions to boycott Israel by equating Israel to Judaism.

The logical conclusion of all this is to declare that all Jews are Zionists, all Catholics are Vatican Papists, or all Muslims are Islamists.

But Trump does not think these things through.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:45:29am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But Trump does not think these things through.

Ever.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:46:46am

re: #149 Barefoot Grin

The spelling of Resolute Desk begins with р

my desk was always clean like that
i used to joke that a clean desk is the sign of a sick mind

this clean desk is a sign of someone who does absolutely no work

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:51:01am

re: #169 Teukka

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Border Patrol is playing with fire.
No, strike that, they’re playing with Napalm.
If a virulent strain of H1N1 or its nasty siblings get a foothold in a facility, it will act as a reservoir which can feed a really bad pandemic in the country or even worldwide.

only if they ever let them out // .5

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:53:38am

re: #201 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

only if they ever let them out // .5

Not if it hits the CBP folks. Then that bug is out in the real world.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:56:23am

re: #202 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Not if it hits the CBP folks. Then that bug is out in the real world.

of course
(i did say 1/2) ;-)

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Targetpractice  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:05:31am

Shot:

Chaser:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…*gasp*…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:08:10am

re: #197 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

put another way, Buckley wasn’t his generation’s Buckley

Exactly. Buckley was a product of the old guard that resented the New Deal and its aftermath
because the New Deal allowed millions to enter the Middle Class. WFB was a classist bigoted jerk just like Ben is today.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:08:51am

re: #204 Targetpractice

Shot:

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…*gasp*…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Trigger.

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Targetpractice  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:16:15am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Trigger.

We get to hear now about the “failing Time Magazine.” Don’t be surprised if he tries to BS about how they totally wanted him to be their Person of the Year, but he just wouldn’t sit down for an interview with them so they gave it to Greta as a way to spite him. Or some other bald-faced lie to assuage his ego.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:19:01am

Last night the three major networks led with the NJ shooting. Not the impeachment.

A thought (not mine):. Your first thought is, Trump is such a lucky bastard he gets a distraction from one of his gun loving loons going on an NRA harvest.

But actually the fact that is was not shocking and did not lead the news - it’s almost like the media (and voters) are accepting that Trump deserves impeachment. It’s natural for him, like adultery

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:20:54am

re: #208 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

But actually the fact that is was not shocking and did not lead the news - it’s almost like the media (and voters) are accepting that Trump deserves impeachment. It’s natural for him, like adultery

They are waiting for Trump to commit a mass shooting on 5th Avenue…

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:20:55am

re: #207 Targetpractice

We get to hear now about the “failing Time Magazine.” Don’t be surprised if he tries to BS about how they totally wanted him to be their Person of the Year, but he just wouldn’t sit down for an interview with them so they gave it to Greta as a way to spite him. Or some other bald-faced lie to assuage his ego.

Dude, you’re not on the cover. You lost.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:23:49am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:26:42am

From the FBI IG report

“{N}umerous FBI agents sent anti-Clinton text messages and expressed a desire to investigate the Clinton Foundation. The report said that investigators reviewed text messages by senior FBI agents “which reflect their support for Trump.” {…}

But nonstop strzok/page

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:26:54am

re: #207 Targetpractice

We get to hear now about the “failing Time Magazine.” Don’t be surprised if he tries to BS about how they totally wanted him to be their Person of the Year, but he just wouldn’t sit down for an interview with them so they gave it to Greta as a way to spite him. Or some other bald-faced lie to assuage his ego.

Oh I’m sure.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:29:38am

re: #212 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

From the FBI IG report

But nonstop strzok/page

Strzok and Page criticized Clinton, Sanders, & others too. Trump and Barr wants to make their texts like they were only criticizing him. Hell I would love to know what Barr himself was saying about Trump before Trump was nominated. We know what numerous Congressional R’s were.

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Targetpractice  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:30:46am

re: #212 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

From the FBI IG report

But nonstop strzok/page

That’s something I expect to come up in today’s hearing, the reality that Horowitz has known and sat on the info for months that there was a strong anti-Clinton bias in the FBI. That it was concentrated in the very FBI office that “found” the emails that forced Comey’s letter announcing the investigation “reopened” just days before the election.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:34:53am

If anyone has a legit gripe about structural bias, it’s HRC. Hell even Steele who Trump loves to claim is proof of a conspiracy against him is known to been on good terms with that huge Never Trumper- Ivanka Trump. Everyone saw Trump praise Putin.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:37:40am

Republicans in Congress and in the Trump WH are attacking public servants for having the same skepticism about Trump they did. I’d love to see internal RNC memos as it became likely that Trump was gonna be the nominee and also in the aftermath of the Access Hollywood tape.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:48:38am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Republicans in Congress and in the Trump WH are attacking public servants for having the same skepticism about Trump they did. I’d love to see internal RNC memos as it became likely that Trump was gonna be the nominee and also in the aftermath of the Access Hollywood tape.

It was disgusting to see the GOP line up behind Trump, but they soon came up with a functioning strategy, namely to concentrate on gaining a plurality of votes in the key swing Rust Belt states of PA, OH MI and WI.

Which they successfully did, by all means available.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:49:58am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was disgusting to see the GOP line up behind Trump, but they soon came up with a functioning strategy, namely to concentrate on gaining a plurality of votes in the key swing Rust Belt states of PA, OH MI and WI.

Which they successfully did, by all means available.

No doubt. I’m just pointing out that they attack public servants for having the same doubts about Trump they had and probably still do. It’s a bunch of dishonest bullshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:51:20am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

No doubt. I’m just pointing out that they attack public servants for having the same doubts about Trump they had and probably still do. It’s a bunch of dishonest bullshit.

It is just a way of making those civil servants look like they are part of the Deep State Partisan Witch Hunt, which is the only viable defense they have going.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:53:18am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Republicans in Congress and in the Trump WH are attacking public servants for having the same skepticism about Trump they did. I’d love to see internal RNC memos as it became likely that Trump was gonna be the nominee and also in the aftermath of the Access Hollywood tape.

Someone in Russia probably has those. Remember that not only the DNC got hacked.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:58:04am

re: #220 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is just a way of making those civil servants look like they are part of the Deep State Partisan Witch Hunt, which is the only viable defense they have going.

It’s not a viable defense. It’s theater for their moronic base.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:58:17am

re: #221 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Someone in Russia probably has those. Remember that not only the DNC got hacked.

Absolutely.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:00:04am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

It’s not a viable defense. It’s theater for their moronic base.

Not viable in any normal world, but we live in the New Media Reality, where the press panders to the moronic base as much as Trump and his Party do…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:03:56am

re: #224 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not viable in any normal world, but we live in the New Media Reality, where the press panders to the moronic base as much as Trump and his Party do…

See I’m using viable in the sense that it will change minds. The deep state stuff only really works with his base who he could convince that he was a victim of a satanic plot. The attacks on public servants don’t move the public needle or aid him with new people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:07:33am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

See I’m using viable in the sense that it will change minds. The deep state stuff only really works with his base who he could convince that he was a victim of a satanic plot. The attacks on public servants don’t move the public needle or aid him with new people.

The more often they repeat, the more people shrug it off and accept it as normal.

I know, it is sick, and this sickness is eating away at our republic.

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jeffreyw  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:08:48am

Good morning!

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:11:57am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

It’s not a viable defense. It’s theater for their moronic base.

Effective is a better word

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Belafon  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:23:44am

Trump’s excuses for creating an executive order are just that, excuses. This is just a setup to question the loyalty of Jews and an attempt to control them.

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:24:44am

Greets and saluts from the snowy NYC metro area.

As we long know here at LGF, the problem isn’t merely Trump. It goes to the moral and ethical rot of the entire GOP apparatus. They have put party above nation. They put their power above all else, and consider this a zero sum engagement. They win by everyone else losing.

They don’t care the damage they’re doing to the institutions of government. They want to damage the administrative state - they want it gone, and they’re putting judges on the bench to do just that. This would hobble functioning government, which would again give them the excuse to cut funding and deliver still more tax cuts for the millionaire class.

They back Trump’s corrupt and criminal enterprise, because he’s allowing them to do so much damage while taking the heat for them. They can pack the courts with unqualified right wing extremists and block election security, gun control, and voting rights legislation. Heck, they can even block NAFTA 2.0 indefinitely after caterwauling for months that Democrats were the ones holding things up.

NAFTA 2.0 (aka USMCA) is a marketing bit by Trump to claim a completely new deal when it’s functionally an addendum and minor modifications to an existing deal. Trump’s economic and trade policies have done more harm than good to the US, and we see manufacturing slow down in the US thanks to the idiotic trade war. Businesses are trying to compensate by shifting purchases and relying on Trump is a fools’ errand. So everyone limps along and the economic growth is despite Trump, not because of him.

Meanwhile, businesses continue to suffer. Farm bankruptcies continue to rise. Trump continues to lie and the GOP lies with him - all amplified by Fox and the right wing echo chamber.

None of this bodes well, when media outlets regurgitate Trump statements uncritically. Again, this isn’t anything new to us here, but it needs to be stated all the same.

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:33:19am
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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:34:22am
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:38:46am
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Belafon  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:41:19am

re: #233 The Pie Overlord!

Of course you’re an American. You shouldn’t have to declare that.

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:43:24am

re: #234 Belafon

Of course you’re an American. You shouldn’t have to declare that.

And yet Trump, who right wingers claim is a friend to Israel and Jews, is forcing American Jews to make that declaration.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:43:56am

re: #233 The Pie Overlord!

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While the whole sentiment of this EO is evil and vile and is indicative of “where were are”, I predict it gets instantly challenged and doesn’t go anywhere

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:47:54am

re: #235 lawhawk

I’m just waiting for Sonny Perdue to announce the Trump Perfect Red Heifer Search.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:48:26am

re: #235 lawhawk

And yet Trump, who right wingers claim is a friend to Israel and Jews, is forcing American Jews to make that declaration.

I recall the argument that if you are against the policies of the government of Israel, that automatically makes you an anti-Semite.

Trump is now making that official

Again, this would not have come about if it were not for the Fundamentalist Christian agenda that has taken hold of the GOP

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:53:36am

We’ve gone from commander in chief to traitor and thief.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:55:41am

re: #239 jaunte

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We’ve gone from commander in chief to traitor and thief.

The response:. Crickets

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:56:27am
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Belafon  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:01:44am

Just talking to one of my colleagues. Because of impeachment, he’s been not paying a lot of attention to anything else, in part because he doesn’t want to pay a lot of attention to impeachment. He hadn’t heard about Trump’s executive order.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:02:14am

re: #233 The Pie Overlord!

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Just waiting for Trump to carve out an exception for Jared and Steven Miller to be declared “Honorary Aryans”…

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:03:39am

Taxpayers attempting to train Trump’s large children not to steal.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:05:03am

Jersey City Shooting: Suspect Published Anti-Semitic Posts, Official Says

The firefight that left six people dead is believed to have been motivated by anti-Semitic and anti-police sentiments, an official said.
A suspect involved in a prolonged firefight in Jersey City, N.J., that left six people dead, including one police officer, had published anti-Semitic and anti-police posts online and investigators believe the attack was motivated by those sentiments, a law enforcement official familiar with the case said on Wednesday.

The Jersey City mayor said surveillance footage indicated that the two shooters had targeted a kosher supermarket where most of the carnage unfolded.

On Twitter Wednesday, Mayor Steven Fulop wrote that an “extensive review” of the city’s closed-circuit cameras made it clear “that these two individuals targeted the kosher grocery location” where they opened fire and sparked a gun battle with police officers.

The deceased shooters have still not been identified publicly.
If they’re Muslims, Trump will be ecstatic. If he can declare Judaism a nationality, with the solemn assent of his stooges and the moron base, he can easily declare Islam a political ideology or something similar and start to remove 1st Amendment protections for American Muslims.
If they are white supremacists, it will be thoughts, prayers, and business as usual for bloody-handed Wayne LaPierre and the murder lobby.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:08:27am

The saving grace is knowing Nancy will block any Nuremberg Laws #MoscowMitch passes in the Senate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:08:51am

re: #244 jaunte

Taxpayers attempting to train Trump’s large children not pigs to steal
sing.

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:09:18am

re: #243 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just waiting for Trump to carve out an exception for Jared and Steven Miller to be declared “Honorary Aryans”…

Fyi “Real Americans” is the de facto “Aryans” now.

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:10:16am
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Belafon  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:13:36am

re: #249 lawhawk

So, Christian without the requirement to give gifts on December 25th?

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:16:27am
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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:17:22am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:18:10am

re: #249 lawhawk

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Gee, no Muslims. Trumpsters everywhere must be disappointed. Otoh, they can breathe a sigh of relief that the shooters are not MAGAts or white supremacists. They apparently are black, though, so Cheeto will still be able to make use of them.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:19:32am
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Florida Panhandler  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:21:36am

re: #249 lawhawk

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These guys are real nutballs who used to infest Times Square back in the day in the ‘90’s. Don’t know if they are still there or not. They hold real whack-a-doodle racial views listing various native American and African groups as being the “real Jews” and are as completely insane as their white nationalist mirror reflections.

Their biggest kick was pissing off tourists who would start yelling at them to no avail. Their clamor for attention was their most notable character to my eyes back them.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:21:37am

re: #249 lawhawk

Black Hebrew Israelites? Hell, I didn’t know they were still around.

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Jay C  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:21:44am

re: #246 Joe Bacon 🌹

The saving grace is knowing Nancy will block any Nuremberg Laws #MoscowMitch passes in the Senate.

Not saving much (right away, anyway): Trump announced he was going to implement this policy via Executive Order. Of course there’s no way this “nationality” crap would get by the House (and I’m not sure even this Senate would want to touch it): hence policy-by-EO. With the extra advantage that the Trumperrhoids can add “hypocrisy” (over Obama’s EOs) to the usual “criticizing Israel is Enabling The Holocaust” BS….

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:22:46am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:22:53am

re: #255 Florida Panhandler

These guys are real nutballs who used to infest Times Square back in the day in the ‘90’s. Don’t know if they are still there or not. They hold real whack-a-doodle racial views listing various native American and African groups as being the “real Jews” and are as completely insane as their white nationalist mirror reflections.

Their biggest kick was pissing off tourists who would start yelling at them to no avail. Their clamor for attention was their most notable character to my eyes back them.

i.e. trolls

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:26:22am

re: #258 jaunte

so this is gonna be the senate version of the house with the sides swapped

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:30:04am

re: #249 lawhawk

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This is the group that attended Trump rallies and were given seats of honor behind Trump while holding “Blacks For Trump” signs.

They are also a cult of whackos who have committed murders.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:34:40am

re: #261 The Pie Overlord!

This is the group that attended Trump rallies and were given seats of honor behind Trump while holding “Blacks For Trump” signs.

They are also a cult of whackos who have committed murders.

So, they are MAGAts after all.

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Jay C  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:35:49am

re: #261 The Pie Overlord!

This is the group that attended Trump rallies and were given seats of honor behind Trump while holding “Blacks For Trump” signs.

They are also a cult of whackos who have committed murders.

ARE they the same ones? I realize it’s hard to tell your looney-tunes nut-cultists apart without a program, but I thought the black crazies (“God2” or something?) who used to be a backdrop at Trump rallies were a Florida-based cult/sect/cell different from the (New-York-based??) Black Hebrew Israelites - who I’ve also heard of. As a “cult of whackos” needless to add…

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:37:00am

Just a note that I just posted a poem by the late great John M. Ford
It’s especially befitting of the season, a steampunk Camelot.

Winter Solstice, Camelot Station by John M. Ford

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:38:56am

im muting lindsey until they start questioning horowitz

this is painful to listen to
‘im gonna tell you what this report says and if after hearing mr horowitz you dont agree with me, then we know who you are”

if only we could harness all this spin and convert it to electrical energy

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:40:16am

re: #263 Jay C

ARE they the same ones? I realize it’s hard to tell your looney-tunes nut-cultists apart without a program, but I thought the black crazies (“God2” or something?) who used to be a backdrop at Trump rallies were a Florida-based cult/sect/cell different from the (New-York-based??) Black Hebrew Israelites - who I’ve also heard of. As a “cult of whackos” needless to add…

As per Wiki, you’re thinking of the Yahweh ben Yahweh cult.

en.wikipedia.org

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:53:57am

re: #255 Florida Panhandler

Yeah, they’re still around, and they still inhabit pockets of Times Square and have seen them from time to time.

Raving nutbars to a person.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 11, 2019 • 7:58:39am

re: #252 jaunte

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Don’t cops always call the drug dealers and inform them that they are under surveillance? You know, just to be fair and give them a heads up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:00:50am

Fuck Republicans, part 4782:

The Hill - Senate Republicans are weighing a speedy impeachment trial that could include no witnesses for President Trump’s legal team or for House Democrats.

The discussions come as the House is moving forward with articles of impeachment against Trump, teeing up a trial in the Senate that would start in January.

The White House has indicated publicly that it has a wish list of potential witnesses, including House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), Hunter Biden and the whistleblower who sparked the impeachment inquiry.


But Republican senators, including Trump allies and members of leadership, appear reluctant to drag themselves through a drawn-out trial with messy procedural votes when the outcome appears pre-baked.

“I think a protracted period where there are motions to call witnesses offered by both sides and lots of votes … is not going to be terribly popular with either side. I think there’s going to be a desire to wrap this up in at least somewhat of a timely way,” Sen. John Thune (S.D.), the No. 2 Republican senator, told reporters.

He added that while a final decision won’t be made until closer to the trial, “there’s going to be a lot of people who I think are going to say, ‘I don’t really want to drag this on.’”


Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) asked about the possibility of a Senate trial where neither side got witnesses, replied: “I hope so. That’s what I like.”


Pressed on the White House wanting to call individuals like Schiff, he noted that Democrats could, in turn, call Vice President Pence or Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.


“I want to end this thing as quickly as possible,” Graham added.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:04:16am

re: #269 Eclectic Cyborg

Fuck Republicans, part 4782:

It is a foregone conclusion that the GOP Senate will not vote to convict Trump, but doing so without calling any witnesses really makes it look cheap.

But any attempt to call defense witnesses would wind up in either perjury or very unflattering revelations.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:05:46am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a foregone conclusion that the GOP Senate will not vote to convict Trump, but doing so without calling any witnesses really makes it look cheap.

But any attempt to call defense witnesses would wind up in either perjury or very unflattering revelations.

That’s likely what they’re worried about.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:10:09am
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wrenchwench  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:11:45am

Sometimes ‘each’ is the required word, not ‘both’.

[…]
The two vehicles crashed near mile marker 15. …[The sheriff] said that there was at least one man and woman in both vehicles….

I’ve been demoted to grammar dogcatcher.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:12:37am

Right now I am spending a shit ton of money buying holiday gifts for my bazillion grandkids AND LOVING IT. But no “Rainbowcorns” or “LOL Surprise” toys, which IMO are garbage.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:13:40am
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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:19:12am

re: #200 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

my desk was always clean like that
i used to joke that a clean desk is the sign of a sick mind…

In that case, I have more mental health than anybody!

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:20:17am

False alarm and “Fake News,” but that’s a bad thing because we won’t know when the real alarm goes off.
This is exhausting.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:24:48am

re: #256 Dr Lizardo

Black Hebrew Israelites? Hell, I didn’t know they were still around.

They were in the middle of the Covington Catholic kerfuffle at the Lincoln Memorial.

washingtonpost.com

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:26:23am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a foregone conclusion that the GOP Senate will not vote to convict Trump, but doing so without calling any witnesses really makes it look cheap.

But any attempt to call defense witnesses would wind up in either perjury or very unflattering revelations.

the president (not the r’s) doesnt have to call any witnesses if he and his team dont want to

denying the house, ie the actual prosecutors the ability to call any witness would make it look obviously like the show trial - or no trial that it is

dems would have a PR fieldday

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:26:44am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:28:05am

re: #276 retired cynic

In that case, I have more mental health than anybody!

different people organize and control their work differently

i did it to impress clients that when they were in my office they were the only thing on my mind and desk

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:32:05am

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

Brief thing: there are at least four or five “denominations” within the Black Hebrew Israelites. Most are not violent.

For example, the African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem:

The Judean People’s Front?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:32:25am

Michelle Obama has a cousin who is a rabbi iirc.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:32:39am

Democracy!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:34:49am

re: #284 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Democracy!

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Right on.

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makeitstop  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:34:51am

Whoa….

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:36:14am

Also, there are many Jews of color who identify with the Jewish community at large, including Black Hasidic Jews. My daughter’s brother-in-law married a lady from Trinidad.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:44:57am

OK this is fucking infuriating:

theatlantic.com

Americans ought to be upset at the officials responsible for this historic debacle and everyone complicit in hiding the truth about it from the citizenry. As John Sopko, the special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction, told the Post, “The American people have constantly been lied to.” All who lied deserve public censure.

But those responsible for the war in Afghanistan aren’t just the U.S. officials who presided over the war effort or the Congress that approved it by overwhelming margins. Most Americans favored war in an unfamiliar country, knowing that the authorization to use force was expansive, that what victory entailed was never defined, that the U.S. government has lied to the public frequently during past conflicts, and that the Vietnam War lasted years longer than most anticipated when the fighting there began.

It is tempting to blame Washington elites, or the deep state, or the military-industrial complex for America’s misbegotten Afghanistan policy. And I, among others, have been critical of all those forces. But as a 21-year-old who favored the Afghan War when it began, I was among the majority who believed that the anti-war leftists of 2001 were wrong in their dire warnings of quagmire. So I am painfully aware that the American masses, almost the entire populist right, the center-left, and Bush-era elites joined forces in supporting the war in Afghanistan, while a tiny faction of anti-capitalists, paleoconservatives, and libertarians opposed it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:45:25am

re: #286 makeitstop

Whoa….

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It begins……

Cows With Guns - The Original Animation

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:45:26am

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

Trump’s EO concerning Jews automatically being a national identity now poses serious ramifications for the headlines today… are the Black Jewish cults and their followers now a nation included within the Jewish identity? Who makes this determination?

…and I believe Trump’s EO is nothing more than a naked attempt to equate the dominant Jewish monetary support of liberal causes, institutions, and political parties to a foreign nation in violation of law- or least the implications.

It is vile anti-Semitism cooked up by Miller and others.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:45:27am

re: #287 The Pie Overlord!

Also, there are many Jews of color who identify with the Jewish community at large, including Black Hasidic Jews. My daughter’s brother-in-law married a lady from Trinidad.

I always found the diversity within Jewish culture fascinating. There’s some overlap in the foods and drink of Eastern European Jews and Slavs that I descend from maternally. Potato pancakes and silvovitz come to mind.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:46:59am

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

Shirer called Hitler’s Weltanschauung a “grotesque hodgepodge concocted by a half-baked, uneducated neurotic”. He could just as easily have been speaking about Trump and his insane ideas.

A friend’s father lived through the Holocaust, and said that this was the way that it started. A buffoon that everyone thought was a joke. Somehow, he and his group of thugs got some power.

Then more.

Then more.

Then it was too late.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:48:30am

re: #290 Florida Panhandler

Especially insidious given the wolf in sheep skin aspect. It’s already a herculean task to get straight facts about the Bidens and what Trumps people were doing in Ukraine out.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:49:17am

The fact is Jews aren’t a nationality any more than Christians and Muslims. There are Jewish families who are first generation like Colonel Vindman and there are those who have been here since colonial times. Not to mention the wide range of religious beliefs.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:49:47am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

I always found the diversity within Jewish culture fascinating. There’s some overlap in the foods and drink of Eastern European Jews and Slavs that I descend from maternally. Potato pancakes and silvovitz come to mind.

I am still trying to figure out the 1.1% Eskimo/Inuit on my DNA results. My sister took the same test and she also got 1% Eskimo/Inuit so it’s not random.

My other results are 92% Ashkenazi and 7% Sephardi/Mizrachi/North African.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:51:36am

re: #292 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

A friend’s father lived through the Holocaust, and said that this was the way that it started. A buffoon that everyone thought was a joke. Somehow, he and his group of thugs got some power.

Then more.

Then more.

Then it was too late.

After all Chaplin had spoofed Hitler and Jewish people had lived in Poland for centuries. I’m not sure how big the Jewish community was in the parts of Germany, Slovakia, & Slovenia where my family was from but they were. They were part of that community.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:53:47am

re: #290 Florida Panhandler

…and I believe Trump’s EO is nothing more than a naked attempt to equate the dominant Jewish monetary support of liberal causes, institutions, and political parties to a foreign nation in violation of law- or least the implications.

It has a lot to do with allowing the government to withhold funds from Universities and institutions that pursue an anti-Israel investment policy.

Conservatives, especially the Fundamentalist Christians, want to see a strong, resurgent Israel with Jerusalem as its Capitol.

Although it ought to be possible to oppose the policies of the Israeli government and not be Anti-Semitic, this EO basically equates the two.

And it is not Kosher.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:53:56am

THREAD from a Hasidic Jew of color:

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:54:08am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Michelle Obama has a cousin who is a rabbi iirc.

My sister and BIL attended a service at that synagogue within the past year and enjoyed it, though it was more traditional than the reform synagogue we attend. It is affiliated with the broader Jewish community.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:54:38am

re: #295 The Pie Overlord!

I am still trying to figure out the 1.1% Eskimo/Inuit on my DNA results. My sister took the same test and she also got 1% Eskimo/Inuit so it’s not random.

My other results are 92% Ashkenazi and 7% Sephardi/Mizrachi/North African.

I find myself wondering the same about the small amounts of Baltic me, my mom, grandma, & two of mom’s second cousins have. Most of my other results are self explanatory- Eastern European for my mom’s parents, Germanic for my dad’s dad, & Irish for my dad’s mom. I also have small amounts of NE European which could be both my dad’s parents.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:54:43am

re: #286 makeitstop

Whoa….

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Devin is pissed!

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sagehen  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:56:29am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

The fact is Jews aren’t a nationality any more than Christians and Muslims. There are Jewish families who are first generation like Colonel Vindman and there are those who have been here since colonial times. Not to mention the wide range of religious beliefs.

Where does Sammy Davis Jr fit into this — zero Jewish heritage, converted as an adult?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:59:07am

re: #302 sagehen

Where does Sammy Davis Jr fit into this — zero Jewish heritage, converted as an adult?

Yeah I didn’t mention converts. That’s the problem with this EO. It equates American Judaism with Israel. The Jewish families that lived in the same towns as my grandparents did the same things as my grandparents. They sent their sons to war. Their daughters worked in the factories and war offices.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 11, 2019 • 8:59:57am

So just listening to the IG report on NPR
npr.org

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:03:36am
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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:04:19am

re: #295 The Pie Overlord!

I am still trying to figure out the 1.1% Eskimo/Inuit on my DNA results. My sister took the same test and she also got 1% Eskimo/Inuit so it’s not random.

My other results are 92% Ashkenazi and 7% Sephardi/Mizrachi/North African.

Mine just got updated and are now 99% Ashkenazi—Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine, Western Russia; and now 1% Sweden (of course, Ancestry footnotes that 1% can range from 0-1%, so maybe, maybe not)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:07:09am

re: #306 BeachDem

Mine just got updated and are now 99% Ashkenazi—Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine, Western Russia; and now 1% Sweden (of course, Ancestry footnotes that 1% can range from 0-1%, so maybe, maybe not)

They’re constantly updating. I used to have 1% Swedish but that’s gone now. I go as far west as Western Ireland and Far East as Eastern Slovakia. And I’m sure there’s even more in my line lost to history. Genealogy has made me see why nationalism is a folly. We’re all mixed somehow and influenced by other cultures.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:07:45am

re: #304 Rightwingconspirator

So just listening to the IG report on NPR
npr.org

I had been following Marcy Wheeler’s thread but she assumes a lot of familiarity with context so I lost track and stopped. Gotta do some meetings now, so I’ll have to find a good summary later.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:10:17am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Yeah I didn’t mention converts. That’s the problem with this EO. It equates American Judaism with Israel. The Jewish families that lived in the same towns as my grandparents did the same things as my grandparents. They sent their sons to war. Their daughters worked in the factories and war offices.

So is the EO as fucked up as we thought it was or no?

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:10:32am

Here comes the predictable conservative reaction: “but Hitler was once Time Magazine of Man of the year!”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:11:21am

re: #309 Eclectic Cyborg

So is the EO as fucked up as we thought it was or no?

The fact that it punishes universities that allow groups critical of Israeli policy and equates it with Judaism is a problem.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:11:24am

re: #310 DodgerFan1988

Who the fuck is Brendan O’Neill and why should I care what he has to say?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:12:38am

re: #310 DodgerFan1988

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Here comes the predictable conservative reaction: “but Hitler was once Time Magazine of Man of the year!”

They think she’s too stupid to think for herself. It would be nice if conservatives and libertarians actually gave two fucks about the environment.

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Citizen K  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:22:49am

re: #310 DodgerFan1988

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Here comes the predictable conservative reaction: “but Hitler was once Time Magazine of Man of the year!”

Environmentalism is death! Climate Change is a hoax, we must burn all the coal to save the world! All the oil for our freedom! The eco death cult will kill us all unless we fill the sky with sweet billows of black tar clouds!

Just…fuck.

re: #313 HappyWarrior

They think she’s too stupid to think for herself. It would be nice if conservatives and libertarians actually gave two fucks about the environment.

NOtice they never say the same thing about conservative wunderkinder that do end up recanting their parents’ imposed views later down the line.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:25:31am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

They think she’s too stupid to think for herself. It would be nice if conservatives and libertarians actually gave two fucks about the environment.

Here’s an interesting seasonal tie-in: It’s generally accepted that the Virgin Mary was somewhere between 12 and 15 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. That’s roughly the same age as Greta is now.

So on the one hand they have no problem literally venerating one teen girl for having the maturity, poise and strength to handle being the mother of the Son of God, but another teen girl with similar traits who is also involved in making a major impact on the world is demonized as being merely a naive child who doesn’t know any better and is merely following the orders of manipulative adults.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:26:02am

re: #312 Eclectic Cyborg

Who the fuck is Brendan O’Neill and why should I care what he has to say?

Brendan O’Neill
“… Brendan O’Neill is a British columnist. He is the editor of Spiked Online and has been a columnist for The Australian and The Big Issue.

Once a Trotskyist Marxist, O’Neill was formerly a member of Revolutionary Communist Party and wrote for the party’s journal, Living Marxism. O’Neill self identifies as a Marxist libertarian[1][2] and writes for a range of publications. …”

“… O’Neill has opposed the tackling of global warming through reductions in carbon emissions and instead advocates for “technological progress” to deal with the damage done by climate change.[7] He criticised the environmentalist activist Greta Thunberg in his 2019 article “The Cult of Greta Thunberg”[8] in which he describes her as a “millenarian weirdo” and criticises the allegedly “monotone voice” speech patterns[9][10] of the Swedish environmentalist who speaks English as a second language. …”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:27:33am

Stream is Live.New Shepard launch a touch over 15 minutes away

NS-12 Live Webcast

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:29:07am

re: #314 Citizen K

Environmentalism is death! Climate Change is a hoax, we must burn all the coal to save the world! All the oil for our freedom! The eco death cult will kill us all unless we fill the sky with sweet billows of black tar clouds!

Just…fuck.

NOtice they never say the same thing about conservative wunderkinder that do end up recanting their parents’ imposed views later down the line.

Exactly

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Belafon  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:30:57am

re: #277 The Pie Overlord!

False alarm and “Fake News,” but that’s a bad thing because we won’t know when the real alarm goes off.
This is exhausting.

Now I is confused. Wasn’t Trump the one spouting the crap about declaring Judiasm a state?

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:31:05am

So, in regard to the clip of Trump as Thanos…it gives me an excuse to post a video of two of my favorite musicians…

BLACK SABBATH “Iron Man” - 2 Girls 3 Harps (Harp Twins) HARP METAL

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:35:39am
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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:35:47am

re: #277 The Pie Overlord!

False alarm and “Fake News,” but that’s a bad thing because we won’t know when the real alarm goes off.
This is exhausting.

[Embedded content]

Still good to hear that the “nationality” definition is not happening. I note that one current public speaker whose language exactly fits the definitions of antisemitism in the genuine EO lives in the White House.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:40:08am

re: #322 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

Still good to hear that the “nationality” definition is not happening. I note that one current public speaker whose language exactly fits the definitions of antisemitism in the genuine EO lives in the White House.

That is good to know. And yes Trump is anti Semitic and he makes things worse by talking about things he knows nothing about.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:40:55am

re: #295 The Pie Overlord!

I am still trying to figure out the 1.1% Eskimo/Inuit on my DNA results. My sister took the same test and she also got 1% Eskimo/Inuit so it’s not random.

My other results are 92% Ashkenazi and 7% Sephardi/Mizrachi/North African.

Well, we still don’t know where the ten lost tribes ended up. 😉

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:41:05am

re: #316 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Brendan O’Neill
“… Brendan O’Neill is a British columnist. He is the editor of Spiked Online and has been a columnist for The Australian and The Big Issue.

Once a Trotskyist Marxist, O’Neill was formerly a member of Revolutionary Communist Party and wrote for the party’s journal, Living Marxism. O’Neill self identifies as a Marxist libertarian[1][2] and writes for a range of publications. …”

“… O’Neill has opposed the tackling of global warming through reductions in carbon emissions and instead advocates for “technological progress” to deal with the damage done by climate change.[7] He criticised the environmentalist activist Greta Thunberg in his 2019 article “The Cult of Greta Thunberg”[8] in which he describes her as a “millenarian weirdo” and criticises the allegedly “monotone voice” speech patterns[9][10] of the Swedish environmentalist who speaks English as a second language. …”

He sounds reasonable.//

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:42:48am
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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:42:57am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a foregone conclusion that the GOP Senate will not vote to convict Trump, but doing so without calling any witnesses really makes it look cheap.

But any attempt to call defense witnesses would wind up in either perjury or very unflattering revelations.

Perhaps they considered at a moment … until they saw Rudy in the witness list.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:43:18am

re: #315 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s an interesting seasonal tie-in: It’s generally accepted that the Virgin Mary was somewhere between 12 and 15 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. That’s roughly the same age as Greta is now.

So on the one hand they have no problem literally venerating one teen girl for having the maturity, poise and strength to handle being the mother of the Son of God, but another teen girl with similar traits who is also involved in making a major impact on the world is demonized as being merely a naive child who doesn’t know any better and is merely following the orders of manipulative adults.

It’s pretty simple to me. Conservatives and libertarians are uninterested in environmental protection since it gets in the way of $$$. The latter sometimes get it right on criminal justice but they’re clueless hacks on the environment.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:44:04am

re: #326 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Greenwald & Tracey are such a pathetic liars. Fuck them.

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sagehen  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:46:05am

re: #315 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s an interesting seasonal tie-in: It’s generally accepted that the Virgin Mary was somewhere between 12 and 15 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. That’s roughly the same age as Greta is now.

So on the one hand they have no problem literally venerating one teen girl for having the maturity, poise and strength to handle being the mother of the Son of God, but another teen girl with similar traits who is also involved in making a major impact on the world is demonized as being merely a naive child who doesn’t know any better and is merely following the orders of manipulative adults.

Joan of Arc was 14

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:48:17am

re: #322 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

Still good to hear that the “nationality” definition is not happening. I note that one current public speaker whose language exactly fits the definitions of antisemitism in the genuine EO lives in the White House.

What exactly is it beyond a power play for punishing universities and institutions that disagree with the policies of the Israeli government (which has very little to do with the religion or ethnicity of Judaism)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:49:37am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

It’s pretty simple to me. Conservatives and libertarians are uninterested in environmental protection since it gets in the way of $$$. The latter sometimes get it right on criminal justice but they’re clueless hacks on the environment.

I think it also has to do with a mindset that wealth and prosperity is to be measured in how many resources we consume and how much we spend. Our President certainly exemplifies that…

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:50:16am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:52:07am

re: #333 lawhawk

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And right on cue Xtians are praising Gawd for this…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:52:27am

T-minus 3 minutes and counting

NS-12 Live Webcast

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:55:51am

VROOM

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:56:13am

re: #333 lawhawk

Aww, damn. He’s one of our best. Does this mean he won’t be able to vote to Impeach?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 9:59:10am

You know. I had really hoped Blue Origin would have accomplished a manned flight before the end of the year. If just so I could imagine Elon Musk fuming and throwing crap in disgust.

lol

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:01:22am

Bernie Kerik’s son was one of the cops who helped end the Jersey City shooting standoff.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:05:05am

From Politico:

Former Vice President Joe Biden’s top advisers and prominent Democrats outside the Biden campaign have recently revived a long-running debate whether Biden should publicly pledge to serve only one term, with Biden himself signaling to aides that he would serve only a single term.

IMO this takes Joe out of the running. We need to be voting for someone who could potentially serve two terms to clean up the mess Trump will leave behind.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:06:26am

re: #335 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

T-minus 3 minutes and counting

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Video

Now someone takes Alexa out of the capsule.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:07:41am

re: #340 Eclectic Cyborg

From Politico:

Former Vice President Joe Biden’s top advisers and prominent Democrats outside the Biden campaign have recently revived a long-running debate whether Biden should publicly pledge to serve only one term, with Biden himself signaling to aides that he would serve only a single term.

IMO this takes Joe out of the running. We need to be voting for someone who could potentially serve two terms to clean up the mess Trump will leave behind.

this is either conscious ratfucking or such mindless jerkwaddedness that the end result is identical

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Jay C  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:09:20am

re: #333 lawhawk

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Whew! “Merely” stent-implantation: the same procedure (I’m guessing) as what I had done earlier this year. So if Lieu’s experience is anything like mine: he should be back on the job (and the HJC) by next week: ready to kick ass, as usual…

re: #334 Joe Bacon 🌹

And right on cue Xtians are praising Gawd for this…

Yeah, I’m sure: And one can just imagine the reaction if the patient were, say, Devin Nunes, or Jim Jordan, and some lefty somewhere gloated over it……

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:18:38am

re: #324 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

Well, we still don’t know where the ten lost tribes ended up. 😉

They ended up in a lot of places but the most likely spots are Africa and Central Asia.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:19:22am

re: #288 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

OK this is fucking infuriating:

theatlantic.com

At the time we intervened in Afghanistan, I said any President would’ve had to do it, because they were harboring bin Laden. It’s an awful situation; I fear for what will happen to Afghan women if the Taliban return to power.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:19:22am

re: #344 The Pie Overlord!

They ended up in a lot of places but the most likely spots are Africa and Central Asia.

The Mormons insist they came to Deseret…

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:19:57am

Alright expect the usual shouters to shout FAAAAAAKE NOOOOOZ!!11!!!

NY Times fucked up.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:21:34am

re: #295 The Pie Overlord!

I am still trying to figure out the 1.1% Eskimo/Inuit on my DNA results. My sister took the same test and she also got 1% Eskimo/Inuit so it’s not random.

My other results are 92% Ashkenazi and 7% Sephardi/Mizrachi/North African.

My Chinese son was 1% Central American. My guess is that was a 19th or early 20th Century sailor visiting a Chinese port.

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Belafon  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:25:09am

re: #347 The Pie Overlord!

Alright expect the usual shouters to shout FAAAAAAKE NOOOOOZ!!11!!!

NY Times fucked up.

Thanks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:25:11am

re: #347 The Pie Overlord!

Alright expect the usual shouters to shout FAAAAAAKE NOOOOOZ!!11!!!

NY Times fucked up.

In this case, they are right, this is poorly presented news.

But again, protesting against the actions of the GOVERNMENT of the state of Israel is not de facto anti-Semitism, it is disagreeing with peoples’ actions, not their religion or ethnicity per se.

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:27:31am

Watching the Senate Horowitz hearing. I do love Sen Durbin, and am proud he represents me.

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:28:03am
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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:30:21am

A lot of testimony that the FISA system is f^&*ed

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:32:24am

Boy, Sen. Lee is a bloviating idiot

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:32:47am

re: #340 Eclectic Cyborg

From Politico:

Former Vice President Joe Biden’s top advisers and prominent Democrats outside the Biden campaign have recently revived a long-running debate whether Biden should publicly pledge to serve only one term, with Biden himself signaling to aides that he would serve only a single term.

IMO this takes Joe out of the running. We need to be voting for someone who could potentially serve two terms to clean up the mess Trump will leave behind.

Yeah this would be really dumb, even if Biden goes on to win the presidency and chooses to only serve one term. Dumb to signal this right out of the gate.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:33:17am

So today is apparently the day when the GOP is concerned about the FISA system.

/

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Jay C  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:37:17am

re: #340 Eclectic Cyborg

From Politico:

Former Vice President Joe Biden’s top advisers and prominent Democrats outside the Biden campaign have recently revived a long-running debate whether Biden should publicly pledge to serve only one term, with Biden himself signaling to aides that he would serve only a single term.

IMO this takes Joe out of the running. We need to be voting for someone who could potentially serve two terms to clean up the mess Trump will leave behind.

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I dunno: I’m not sure this is all that great an idea, but it’s not a completely stupid one, either.

For one thing, it takes a lot of the “age” issue off the table: if elected next year, Joe Biden would be 78 when first sworn in, 82 after the 2024 election: experience is a useful thing in politics, Party gerontocracy is another.

Also: as important as the personalities of national political figures are (way TOO important, IMO, but that’s another rant) - I think that repairing the damage of the Trump Era is going to require an across-the-board effort by the Democrats nationwide, and at every (Local, State and Federal) level. If a President Biden gets sworn in with, say, an “anointed preferred successor”as VP - with the implied proviso that said Veep will be the 2024 candidate: I think it *might* help to overcome some doubts among the swing electorate (who, despite some opinions, I think DO exist).

Maybe.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:43:38am

re: #340 Eclectic Cyborg

From Politico:

Former Vice President Joe Biden’s top advisers and prominent Democrats outside the Biden campaign have recently revived a long-running debate whether Biden should publicly pledge to serve only one term, with Biden himself signaling to aides that he would serve only a single term.

IMO this takes Joe out of the running. We need to be voting for someone who could potentially serve two terms to clean up the mess Trump will leave behind.

I wouldn’t hate the idea if it wasn’t completely apparent that the majority of the electorate has the memory of a gold fish. So Biden comes in, does some triage and gets things towards the right track. Dems get rewarded by getting smacked in 2024. Because it’s not like the GOP is suddenly regaining some sanity.

Also, it puts Biden in the same position as Bush the Elder and his no new taxes pledge. If something comes up that would make is very necessary for Biden to run again, and he has to renege on the pledge, it could look bad and unfortunately, it could turn off some folks.

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gocart mozart  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:15:04am

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