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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:37:59am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:39:28am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:39:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:45:12am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

It’s astounding that anyone buys into Trump’s narrative about the 2016 election, or gives it credence at all. His conspiracy theory simply makes no sense. You don’t have to be a genius to see that it’s all lies to cover up his own wrongdoing. It’s freaking OBVIOUS.

He denies shooting that pregnant woman on 5th Avenue. Fake news!!!

Wait, there’s video evidence? Well, a lot of people - reliable anonymous sources - are saying that she was a Terrorist and it was self-defense. He is a hero making America safe!!!

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Dr. Matt  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:46:55am

Dotard’s deplorables are losing their mind over Star Wars

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:48:02am
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Belafon  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:50:03am

re: #5 Dr. Matt

What did Ridley actually say that it looks like I should agree with.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:50:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:51:50am

re: #7 Belafon

What did Ridley actually say that it looks like I should agree with.

It is not so much what said actor said, it is just bad PR. Not that I am concerned that it will seriously dent revenues from the films…nor am I concerned if that happens.

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:52:04am

re: #5 Dr. Matt

Yawn.

Trump was a reality tv star who needed to be prompted by a script to say “you’re fired” because he hates confrontation and can’t be bothered to fire his subordinates in person.

That they ignore and overlook - all while claiming that a failed businessman who is leveraged to his eyeballs by foreign banks and oligarchs, and who inherited his wealth, is somehow self-made and not a reality tv creature.

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cat-tikvah  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:52:17am

Ugh, Ted Cruz is running his mouth.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:53:18am
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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:54:07am

re: #9 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is not so much what said actor said, it is just bad PR. Not that I am concerned that it will seriously dent revenues from the films…nor am I concerned if that happens.

There is a segment of fanboy (and it is nearly all guys) who chafe at strong female characters, and female actors who use their platform to take positions.

They tried to dent Captain Marvel and other big tentpole movies, and have pretty much failed each time.

They also try to game the critics scores to drive down movie grosses, but those too are mostly failures.

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:54:16am

OK, Cruz has earned my mute button.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:54:55am
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:54:58am

re: #11 cat-tikvah

Ugh, Ted Cruz is running his mouth.

I had to hit mute.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:55:07am

re: #7 Belafon

What did Ridley actually say that it looks like I should agree with.

“No, I don’t feel I have to edit what I say. The things that make me angry are the things that make everyone angry. Everyone is annoyed with BoJo (Boris Johnson). Everyone has an issue with Trump - every sane person, anyway.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:55:32am

re: #13 lawhawk

There is a segment of fanboy (and it is nearly all guys) who chafe at strong female characters, and female actors who use their platform to take positions.

All I know is that Gamergate was about “ethics in online gaming reviews”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:56:51am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

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Wait, what?

I mean, it CAN be true that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but really there’s no compelling argument that absence of evidence is evidence of PRESENCE.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:58:44am
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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 10:58:59am

Sen. Whitehouse was good, of the Durbin sort. I see Cruz is pounding the table and yelling. Glad I have him muted. gag

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:07:08am
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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:09:01am

re: #22 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I would join Kragar. But I am hoping the primary process turns up a candidate I can be proud to vote for.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:10:58am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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If I were Trump, I would talk about how I called Ted’s wife ugly and his dad a killer right to his face in front of people, knowing he would have to suck it up and take it. Then say “That was pretty funny, huh Ted?”

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:11:52am

What we’re up against. The GOP are a fact free zone.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:12:30am

re: #5 Dr. Matt

Dotard’s deplorables are losing their mind over Star Wars

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1. Daisy Ridley is British and the interview was with a British media outlet. She can trash Trump as much as she wants.

2. Actors and public figures have free speech like the rest of us to express political views. Most of them probably understand that coming out strongly in favor of one side may have an impact on their career. Would these MAGAts be pissed off like this if we were instead talking about an interview where Kevin Sorbo called people who voted for Hillary stupid?

3. There are far more performers in Star Wars than just Daisy Ridley. If you want to boycott the film because of what ONE actress said, have fun. It’s still going to fucking make millions anyway.

4. SNOWFLAKES!

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:14:39am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Billions. With a B.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:15:17am

re: #23 retired cynic

I would join Kragar. But I am hoping the primary process turns up a candidate I can be proud to vote for.

I don’t blame you. In a sane world, Clinton would be running for reelection. I’ll be proud to vote for the Democratic nominee to stop fascism, even if its Bernie, or Bloomberg or Biden. Any of them would be vastly better than Trump, even with their flaws.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:20:33am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Actors and public figures have free speech like the rest of us to express political views.

Indeed.

Robert De Niro slams Donald Trump

Robert De Niro back in 2016 or so.

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:21:27am

A lot of the talk today is that the Steele dossier is unproven or proven to be a “pile of crap.” Is that so? I am not hearing any pushback against that, and I thought that it was unproven material when he pulled it together, but that a lot of it had been verified. Am I that out of touch?

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:23:49am

re: #30 retired cynic

They should bring in Ivanka and ask her.

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:24:16am

re: #30 retired cynic

A lot of the talk today is that the Steele dossier is unproven or proven to be a “pile of crap.” Is that so? I am not hearing any pushback against that, and I thought that it was unproven material when he pulled it together, but that a lot of it had been verified. Am I that out of touch?

No, you’re not out of touch. Significant portions of it are confirmed. Parts were not. Steele himself characterized it as raw data.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:25:08am

re: #30 retired cynic

A lot of the talk today is that the Steele dossier is unproven or proven to be a “pile of crap.” Is that so? I am not hearing any pushback against that, and I thought that it was unproven material when he pulled it together, but that a lot of it had been verified. Am I that out of touch?

Parts of it proven, parts of it unproven, parts of it disproven. Like you would expect of raw intelligence product, as I understand it.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:25:51am

Ben Sasse, moderate, lying by omission instead of straight Barrstyle.

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:25:56am

re: #33 Blind Frog Belly White

Parts of it proven, parts of it unproven, parts of it disproven. Like you would expect of raw intelligence product, as I understand it.

I wish someone on our side would at least defend it to that point.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:29:42am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:30:23am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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Al Franken: “I like Ted Cruz more than anyone else in the senate does…and I hate Ted Cruz.”

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garzooma  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:31:15am

re: #35 retired cynic

I wish someone on our side would at least defend it to that point.

The people who hired Steele put out a book a few weeks ago:
Link

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:31:27am

re: #36 The Pie Overlord!

They’re hoping for an epidemic to take care of some of their “problems” for them.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:33:16am

JFC

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:35:01am
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Dr. Matt  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:36:10am

re: #40 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

Civil War 2: Rise of Idiocracy

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:38:24am

re: #40 The Pie Overlord!

Bug-eyed Trump fan’s gonna invade Philadelphia with his 357 magnum.

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:38:38am

Good lord, Hawley is an ass.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:38:47am

I’m not thrilled with Manchin either. But the alternative is worse.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:39:40am
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:39:51am

Hawley is whining about “media bias” but he conveniently forgets about the continuous EEEEEEMMMMAAAAAAAIIIILLLLLZZZZZ.

What a fuckhead.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:41:37am
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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:41:39am
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:43:51am
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Dr. Matt  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:44:04am

What kind of snowflake pussies spend their time during a congressional hearing to whine about the fucking media. Good dog, they are fucking incels.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:45:44am

Friendly reminder that the government will run out of money in 9 days unless another CR is passed.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:45:54am

Comedy break

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:46:39am

re: #51 Dr. Matt

What kind of snowflake pussies spend their time during a congressional hearing to whine about the fucking media. Good dog, they are fucking incels.

It’s the firehose of falsehoods.

en.wikipedia.org

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:47:08am

re: #49 Dread Pirate

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Well you see, they did it to set up a conspiracy against Trump in case he won the election, but didn’t use it before the election because Trump had no chance of winning (or so wingnuts tell me).

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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:48:01am
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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:48:34am

re: #54 Dr Lizardo

It’s a fusillade of fuckery.

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gocart mozart  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:49:14am
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TedStriker  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:51:05am

For some lighter fare: who knew that, even here in blood-red TN, that government agencies could use pop culture to hilarious effect?

TDOT message board on I-65 south at Wedgewood Ave
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:52:31am

re: #40 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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“My .357 magnum is comfortable with that! End of story!”

Talks tough for a corpse preserved in alcohol.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 11:58:35am
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Florida Panhandler  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:02:43pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Trump supporters are not concerned with facts. They are not concerned with history, reason, or science beyond how these abstracts can be utilized to demean, imprison, kick out, or kill brown skinned people. They consider themselves part of an army meant to usher in a White Nation.

They consider loyalty to their military cause and fealty to the leader paramount.

No one in the Democratic Party leadership or major MSM seems to recognize this except for Fox News, which is of course the major propaganda arm of the entire effort. Fox News knows what they are. They are part of an independent nation, a White Supremacist nation not beholden to facts but instead exist to support and promote the leader Trump.

Trump and his supporters know they are in a war- a war against the entire world. I’m not sure anyone in the political center or left is really prepared to face and deal with this reality. 35% of this country would like to see the rest of us subjugated or eliminated, along with most of the world.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:03:02pm

re: #61 Dread Pirate

It’s almost as if a scattershot, kneejerk, uniformed foreign policy lacking in strategic goals and thought would fail to achieve what a functionally illiterate malignant narcissist says he wants.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:03:40pm
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:04:25pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“My .357 magnum is comfortable with that! End of story!”

Talks tough for a corpse preserved in alcohol.

My .300 win mag, at 300 yards, laughs at your .357.

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rhuarc  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:07:30pm

re: #59 TedStriker

For some lighter fare: who knew that, even here in blood-red TN, that government agencies could use pop culture to hilarious effect?

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That’s on signs in Illinois too. :)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:07:41pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:09:28pm

re: #67 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“Investigative journalism”

Gee, I wonder who they’ll be investigating?

//

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:11:22pm

re: #65 Eventual Carrion

My .300 win mag, at 300 yards, laughs at your .357.

My money is on the US Army National Guard snipers that would put down a revolution.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:13:51pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

“Investigative journalism”

Gee, I wonder who they’ll be investigating?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:14:38pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:14:43pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:19:54pm

re: #14 retired cynic

OK, Cruz has earned my mute button.

Ernst just got mine.

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:20:40pm

re: #70 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Daleiden might be out of contact for a bit… he’s still facing criminal charges in connection with his scam videos of PP selling fetal tissue.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:21:26pm

re: #65 Eventual Carrion

My .300 win mag, at 300 yards, laughs at your .357.

Geez, even my .50 cal frontstuffer laughs at 50 yards laughs at your .357.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:22:13pm

re: #69 Dread Pirate

My money is on the US Army National Guard snipers that would put down a revolution.

Barrett M82 / M107 . 50 Caliber Long Range Sniper Rifle (LRSR) / Anti-material Rifle

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:26:12pm

re: #74 lawhawk

Daleiden might be out of contact for a bit… he’s still facing criminal charges in connection with his scam videos of PP selling fetal tissue.

Well, I meant their flavor of ‘investigative journalism’. Not necessarily their personal participation.

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:26:36pm

newyorker.com

Steele points out that the most critical criteria for judging disinformation is “whether there is a palpable motive for spreading it”; the ultimate Russian goal in 2016, he argues, “was to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming president, and therefore, the idea that they would intentionally spread embarrassing information about Trump—true or not—is not logical.”

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:27:34pm

newyorker.com

Simpson and Fritsch acknowledge that several of Steele’s most sensational allegations remain unproven and that others were almost surely wrong, such as his sources’ claim that the Trump fixer Michael Cohen went to Prague during the summer of 2016 to pay off the Democrats’ e-mail hackers. But they argue that Steele was substantially right, and prescient, to see and try to warn America of Russia’s efforts to subvert the 2016 election in Trump’s favor.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:30:44pm
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plansbandc  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:33:13pm

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:33:42pm

re: #40 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

OK Trumpers

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:35:06pm

Sad that Kamala is off the campaign trail, but good to see her at this hearing. Go get him, Kamala!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:35:58pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

1. Daisy Ridley is British and the interview was with a British media outlet. She can trash Trump as much as she wants.

2. Actors and public figures have free speech like the rest of us to express political views. Most of them probably understand that coming out strongly in favor of one side may have an impact on their career. Would these MAGAts be pissed off like this if we were instead talking about an interview where Kevin Sorbo called people who voted for Hillary stupid?

3. There are far more performers in Star Wars than just Daisy Ridley. If you want to boycott the film because of what ONE actress said, have fun. It’s still going to fucking make millions anyway.

4. SNOWFLAKES!

Oh you mean the gorgeous Daisy Ridley trashed our maga potus?

That just means I’ll have to love her even more.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:37:56pm

re: #5 Dr. Matt

Dotard’s deplorables are losing their mind over Star Wars

VIRTUE SIGNALING!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:38:54pm

re: #5 Dr. Matt

KINDLY STFU #DaisyRidley/#Hollywood! STOP ALIENATING 50% of your audience with your arrogant virtue signalling/lecturing of YOUR political views. EVERYONE with an ounce of intelligence sees how UTTERLY FULL OF SH*T you are! Oh, you’ll criticise Trump/Boris, but will you EVER…..

— Scorpio

Trumper sounds awfully snowflakey

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:39:39pm

re: #80 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:40:14pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

They’re hoping for an epidemic to take care of some of their “problems” for them.

I presume the concentration camp staff would be among the initial victims of an outbreak.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:41:01pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

Let’s not forget that even if they drop “Dacha Time with Boris,” their DC reporting is still led by James Rosen, the guy who got Pelosi’s hackles up last week with the “why do you hate Trump?” heckling.

These are not our friends.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:41:26pm

They couldn’t prove intent, by Republican/Trump Standards that means the agents were totally exonerated.

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:42:04pm

newyorker.com

Some readers of “Crime in Progress” may begin to wonder if the special counsel Robert Mueller didn’t miss the mark. The authors praise Mueller for documenting more than a hundred and forty suspicious contacts between Trump’s campaign and Russians, and for criminally indicting thirty-four individuals, including six in Trump’s inner circle and a dozen Russian agents behind the hack of the Democrats’ e-mails and thirteen individuals and three companies tied to Russia’s Internet Research Agency. But they criticize Mueller’s probe for failing to heed the main lesson of Watergate: to “follow the money.” Simpson and Fritsch note that “there is no indication in his report that the investigation looked at Trump’s taxes, his outstanding debts, his curious relationship with Deutsche Bank, or his long history of financing real estate projects with foreign cash of unknown origin—precisely the places where Russian influence efforts were most likely to surface.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:42:12pm

thoughts and prayers…

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:43:55pm

re: #88 Jebediah, RBG

I presume the concentration camp staff would be among the initial victims of an outbreak.

Not only no, but fuck no. They are all vaccinated against everything they can exposed to. Well, perhaps everything except Ebola.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:44:07pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

They spied on my campaign!

— Donald J. Trump

Trumper sounds awful snowflakey

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:44:22pm

junior moron

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:44:53pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

junior moron

How’s the divorce going, Junior?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:46:07pm
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KGxvi  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:46:27pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

(clears throat)

iF yOu DoN’t Do AnYtHiNg WrOnG yOu HaVe NoThInG tO wOrRy AbOuT

or alternatively:

iF yOu DiD nOtHiNg WrOnG yOu HaVe NoThInG tO hIdE

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:46:32pm

...

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:46:51pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:47:05pm

Triggered much?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:47:39pm

re: #101 The Pie Overlord!

Triggered much?

Such language, Junior.

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sagehen  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:47:55pm

re: #88 Jebediah, RBG

I presume the concentration camp staff would be among the initial victims of an outbreak.

They got their vaccines.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:48:15pm

re: #101 The Pie Overlord!

Triggered much?

I’m not in the Deep State and I’m not scared.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:48:40pm

re: #101 The Pie Overlord!

Triggered much?

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“If it’s what you say it is, I love it!”

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:48:44pm

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

MAGA POTUS SIGNED A PAPER THING HOW DARE YOU!

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KGxvi  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:48:58pm

re: #101 The Pie Overlord!

The FISA system (and warrants generally) are kind of fucked up. Judges tend to defer to law enforcement and the standards of getting evidence collected via a warrant are super high. But of course, that’s not what Orange Idiot Jr is talking about here.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:49:49pm

Oh god now it is the King of the Morons (Kennedy of LA)

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:50:18pm

re: #108 Jebediah, RBG

Oh god now it is the King of the Morons (Kennedy of LA)

He’s muted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:50:20pm

re: #106 Sir John Barron

MAGA POTUS SIGNED A PAPER THING HOW DARE YOU!

“Dere’s very fine people on both sides!”

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:51:01pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:51:43pm

re: #107 KGxvi

The FISA system (and warrants generally) are kind of fucked up. Judges tend to defer to law enforcement and the standards of getting evidence collected via a warrant are super high. But of course, that’s not what Orange Idiot Jr is talking about here.

And, dollars to donuts, he supports the President being able to authorize surveillance a la Bush.

Till 20Jan21, that is.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:53:54pm

re: #109 retired cynic

He’s muted.

Your deplatforming me what About my Freedom Speech!?!

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i(m)p(each)sos  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:54:23pm

I knew John Kennedy. John Kennedy was a friend of mine. You, John N. Kennedy of Louisiana, are a festering pustule of alleged humanity, a cheap Russian shill who doesn’t deserve the name you carry.

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KGxvi  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:55:00pm

re: #108 Jebediah, RBG

Oh god now it is the King of the Morons (Kennedy of LA)

There’s too many Moronic Kingdoms to call one person the King of the Morons. A better theory is that there’s a lot of petty Kings of the Morons, sort of like Westeros before Aegon conquered the continent.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:55:13pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

thoughts and prayers…

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Poor Kevin must be so tired of having to keep track of all the morons

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:59:47pm

Those who are bothering to Tweet objections to Greta Thunberg being named Time’s “Person Of The Year” are missing two important points:

1) It’s a largely meaningless gimmick, no matter what you think of Ms. Thunberg.

2) It will drive Trump buggy.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 12:59:59pm

Marsha Blackburn—CLICK.

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:00:04pm

Oooh, Blackburn. I didn’t even unmute between Senators.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:03:36pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:03:39pm

re: #111 Dread Pirate

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The Third Reich’s armies still heavily relied on horses when they invaded the Soviet Union in 1941.

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BigPapa  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:03:54pm

Blackburn is trash. I’m awaiting another Senator to review his relationship with Ivanka and Trump family before he acted.

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BigPapa  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:07:13pm

OMG, just fire everybody because we don’t want to fund their lifestyle. Blackburn is a hack.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:07:54pm

Both heartwarming and terrible that its needed.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:08:53pm

re: #121 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The Third Reich’s armies still heavily relied on horses when they invaded the Soviet Union in 1941.

My dad commuted to school as a kid in 1941 on a mule drawn sleigh.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:08:59pm

Wow

And, that ration is increasing every few seconds

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:09:34pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

thoughts and prayers…

The only way he can continue to perpetrate lawless and spread disorder is by dismantling law and order itself

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:09:47pm
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BigPapa  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:10:31pm

Hirono is my senator. The perfect anti-Blackburn. Sounds like they’re winding down.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:10:42pm

re: #126 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wow

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And, that ration is increasing every few seconds

Delete your account

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:10:58pm

re: #121 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The Third Reich’s armies still heavily relied on horses when they invaded the Soviet Union in 1941.

Wasn’t that because the Russian railroads were a different gauge? Leaving them no useful rolling stock?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:12:18pm

re: #121 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The Third Reich’s armies still heavily relied on horses when they invaded the Soviet Union in 1941.

We have an image of Blitzkrieg with tanks and half-tracks racing across the landscape, but the bulk of the German army (around 90% of its divisions) fought on foot with horse-drawn supplies and artillery.

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:12:43pm

re: #128 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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BigPapa  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:12:59pm

There is only one criminal referral for the IG for one person that altered and email.

But the GOP keeps speaking in the plural, and talks of conspiracy.

Liars lie.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:14:45pm

STFU Lindsey, you lying, spineless windbag.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:14:47pm

re: #131 Blind Frog Belly White

Wasn’t that because the Russian railroads were a different gauge? Leaving them no useful rolling stock?

Germans hoped to capture much of it intact, but only succeeded in capturing a fraction of their rolling stock. But the matter of different gauges was a real pain the aSS

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:14:52pm

Just a reminder: all the shitheadery that Trump does and that the GOP now supports is done at the behest of the many deep pockets that have much to gain by manipulating American laws as much as possible.

Blackburn does what she does because her rich friends want her to stay there and do their bidding.

All of them, every last one, is there to do the work of their very rich friends.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:15:37pm
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:15:43pm

re: #91 retired cynic

newyorker.com

Wasn’t Mueller constrained at the beginning of the probe to not look into trumps financial stuff?

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Belafon  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:15:47pm

re: #126 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wow

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And, that ration is increasing every few seconds

“For our particular definition of human.”

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:20:16pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:21:34pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:23:05pm

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germans hoped to capture much of it intact, but only succeeded in capturing a fraction of their rolling stock. But the matter of different gauges was a real pain the aSS

Your own tactics should never depend on your opponents being imbeciles.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:23:56pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:26:09pm

re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White

Your own tactics should never depend on your opponents being imbeciles.

The entire Battle of the Bulge was planned based on capturing Allied supplies, first at Spa and then at Liége…

Then the English-speaking agents made the mistake of asking Americans about where to find “petrol”…

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:26:46pm

re: #144 Blind Frog Belly White

No everybody claims victim were the real victim here nobody takes responsibility eff your feelings but what about are feelings of the Bias What about Us? Arble Bargle

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:26:49pm

There is some fucked up swag in this photo gallery.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:29:23pm

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The entire Battle of the Bulge was planned based on capturing Allied supplies, first at Spa and then at Liége…

Then the English-speaking agents made the mistake of asking Americans about where to find “petrol”…

Well, you may have to take some chances when you’re trying to stave off inevitable defeat, but to start a campaign that way seems like a Bad Idea.

OTOH, everyone’s strategy for the opening of WWI was built on wishful thinking.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:30:47pm

re: #148 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, you may have to take some chances when you’re trying to stave off inevitable defeat, but to start a campaign that way seems like a Bad Idea.

They came close to pulling it off…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:31:41pm

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They came close to pulling it off…

I’m curious how long it would have put things off for, though.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:33:33pm

re: #93 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Yeah, that makes sense. Unless, of course, there is a bunch of anti-vaxxers there. I have no idea if anti-vaxxers tend to cluster in any particular occupations.

edit
On second thought - maybe vaccinations would be mandatory for them?

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:33:56pm

Is he still talking?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:34:25pm

re: #150 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m curious how long it would have put things off for, though.

Long enough for us to drop the A-bomb on them instead of Japan…

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:35:19pm

re: #148 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, you may have to take some chances when you’re trying to stave off inevitable defeat, but to start a campaign that way seems like a Bad Idea.

OTOH, everyone’s strategy for the opening of WWI was built on wishful thinking.

It can be argued that the most important weapon in the US Army was the 2 1/2 ton (aka deuce and a half) truck. Between the ones we used and the ones we supplied our allies in both England and Russia, they gave us a logistical capacity that was unprecedented.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:39:15pm

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:39:38pm

re: #109 retired cynic

He’s muted.

Here too.

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:39:49pm

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They came close to pulling it off…

Not really. Patton’s drive to Bastogne would simply have continued north cutting off the Germans from retreating backwards - if they had gotten to Antwerp they would simply have found even more of their units lost than they did historically. This would have probably lead to an earlier collapse in the east and a meeting of forces at the Rhine instead of the Elbe.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:40:06pm

re: #147 The Pie Overlord!

There is some fucked up swag in this photo gallery.

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What a bunch of freaks.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:41:41pm

re: #101 The Pie Overlord!

Triggered much?

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What are Cruz and Don JR. TALKING ABOUT?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:43:02pm

re: #159 I Would Prefer Not To

What are Cruz and Don JR. TALKING ABOUT?

Probably about how despite every advantage it sucks to be them.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:43:18pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:43:58pm
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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:46:12pm

re: #162 Dread Pirate

How dare the US intel community and law enforcement use FISA against GOPers or allow GOPers to get caught up in investigations that reveal widespread criminal conduct by GOPers. It’s meant only to go after Democrats /GOPers like Graham.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:48:07pm

re: #162 Dread Pirate

Yeah, the people bellyaching about “spying” are the same people saying that the current administration can do whatever it likes whenever it likes to whoever it likes however it likes.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:48:47pm

re: #115 KGxvi

There’s too many Moronic Kingdoms to call one person the King of the Morons. A better theory is that there’s a lot of petty Kings of the Morons, sort of like Westeros before Aegon conquered the continent.

Good point. I should have said a king of morons. Maybe they should all have to wear those watercolor paint things that bad guy officers wore in the old Star Wars movies. (I don’t know if they used the same things in the newer movies.) That way we could have an easy-to-read moron ranking system.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:48:58pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:49:49pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:50:04pm

re: #118 BeachDem

MSNBC cut away from her before I could reach the remote.

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sagehen  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:51:19pm

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The entire Battle of the Bulge was planned based on capturing Allied supplies, first at Spa and then at Liége…

Then the English-speaking agents made the mistake of asking Americans about where to find “petrol”…

In one of the Die Hard movies, the terrorists disguised as NYPD had perfect uniforms, cars, accents… but when he told Bruce Willis to take the lift down to the car park, that blew his cover.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:52:12pm

Tomorrow Brexit is on the ballot. If the Tories get a majority, Brexit it is.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:52:20pm

WHUT? He couldn’t find a Jewish Trumporrhoid? Gee I wonder why!

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:53:02pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:54:11pm

Wired has declared that Fox News is a threat to national security:

as the year has unfolded, Fox’s evening talk shows and its presidentially endorsed morning show have proven to be a particularly egregious and odious swamp of fetid, metastasizing lies and bad faith feedback loops that leave its viewers—and, notably, its Presidential Audience of One—foaming at the mouth with outrage and bile.

It’s hard not to think that the increasingly odd behavior and untethered-to-reality pronouncements of the president’s two top lawyers—Attorney General Bill Barr and personal defender Rudy Giuliani—have not been deeply influenced by the filter bubble on the right created, fostered, and fertilized by Fox News. As Lawfare’s Susan Hennessey tweeted after Barr set out on his Quixotic quest to prove the deep state was behind the FBI’s 2016 investigation, “The Attorney General is a fully-committed Fox News conspiracy theorist.”

Now what are we going to do about it?

No puppet! You’re the puppet!
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:54:13pm

re: #169 sagehen

In one of the Die Hard movies, the terrorists disguised as NYPD had perfect uniforms, cars, accents… but when he told Bruce Willis to take the lift down to the car park, that blew his cover.

There is a similar blown cover in Inglorious Basterds.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:55:06pm
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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2019 • 1:58:39pm

re: #173 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Boycott watching.
Consider boycotting and shaming those advertisers that support not only those specific programs, but the network generally.

Nothing changes things nearly as much as businesses losing money.

Right now, the right wing / white nationalist Fox enablers think that they can enrich themselves from advertisers who look the other way to get their products in front of eyeballs.

Make those advertisers think twice since there are far more folks out there who can choose to buy elsewhere.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:05:09pm

re: #176 lawhawk

Boycott watching.
Consider boycotting and shaming those advertisers that support not only those specific programs, but the network generally.

Nothing changes things nearly as much as businesses losing money.

Right now, the right wing / white nationalist Fox enablers think that they can enrich themselves from advertisers who look the other way to get their products in front of eyeballs.

Make those advertisers think twice since there are far more folks out there who can choose to buy elsewhere.

Well, if you check out the advertisers, they are by & large, a pretty skeevy lot. Reverse mortgages, gold-plated nickels, all kinds of shitty, cheaply made crapola, sold to dipshit white trash & retired fuckfaces.

Hard to interdict that.

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KGxvi  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:11:27pm
IF the Democrats win the senate, house and WH. 1st abolish the filibuster, 2d grant statehood to D.C. and possibly other territories and get new Senators immediately. 3d expand the House and SCOTUS. Then pass good bills that help people. Won’t happen though.

DC Statehood is complicated by the 23rd Amendment. If DC were to become a state, there would still be some sort of district that would be entitled to votes in the electoral college that was not this newly formed state. Most likely, statehood is going to have to require repeal of the 23rd Amendment and/or abolishing the electoral college (there is a potential reading of the Amendment that gives some wiggle room, but it’s something that’s never really been tested). Puerto Rico is probably the only other territory that is large enough to become a state, but independence/statehood/status quo have all run pretty even for a long time, which is why the status quo remains.

Expanding the House would be fairly easy, considering that the census will happen in 2020 and reapportionment will have to happen in time for 2022 elections. Instead of saying that the House shall be composed of 435 members, they can pick a different number.

Expanding the Supreme Court could be good, but if it’s done in a nakedly partisan way, you’re probably not going to get a lot of support for it among voters.

I’m sort of meh on the filibuster. On the one hand, I get why getting rid of it makes sense, on the other, imagine how much really bad shit that Trump and the Congressional GOP could have done in his first two years if Senate Democrats effectively had no say in legislation?

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KGxvi  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:19:11pm

re: #177 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Well, if you check out the advertisers, they are by & large, a pretty skeevy lot. Reverse mortgages, gold-plated nickels, all kinds of shitty, cheaply made crapola, sold to dipshit white trash & retired fuckfaces.

Hard to interdict that.

There’s also the fact that the Fox News division is probably something of a loss leader within Fox Corporation which includes the Fox broadcast channel and all the sports channels. And since they probably require cable companies to carry their news channels with their broadcast and sports channels, it’s going to be difficult to disentangle them.

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Belafon  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:20:15pm

re: #178 KGxvi

I’m sort of meh on the filibuster. On the one hand, I get why getting rid of it makes sense, on the other, imagine how much really bad shit that Trump and the Congressional GOP could have done in his first two years if Senate Democrats effectively had no say in legislation?

I like the idea that a filibuster must require actual physical standing and controlling the chamber.

The only thing that kept McConnell from abolishing it is that he didn’t want to actually pass anything.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:21:31pm
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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:24:37pm

re: #171 The Pie Overlord!

WHUT? He couldn’t find a Jewish Trumporrhoid? Gee I wonder why!

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Bob Kraft, Jeffress and Alan Dershowitz. What a guest list.

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KGxvi  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:25:06pm

re: #180 Belafon

I like the idea that a filibuster must require actual physical standing and controlling the chamber.

The only thing that kept McConnell from abolishing it is that he didn’t want to actually pass anything.

Yeah, I think instead of the modern cloture votes, if Senators object, they should have to continue the “debate” until they’ve said all they have to say. And once they’ve said their peace, the chamber should vote on the actual bill.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:25:32pm

re: #171 The Pie Overlord!

WHUT? He couldn’t find a Jewish Trumporrhoid? Gee I wonder why!

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Ben Shapiro has a sad because he didn’t get the call, I’ll bet.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:25:59pm

re: #182 BeachDem

Bob Kraft, Jeffress and Alan Dershowitz. What a guest list.

JEFFRESS: Hello Jews! Happy Hanukkah & you’re all going to Hell!

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:27:31pm

It’s Groundhog Day in Israel.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:30:01pm

re: #186 The Pie Overlord!

It’s Groundhog Day in Israel.

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JFC. What a mess.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:31:09pm

re: #172 Dread Pirate

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One seemingly very minor thing that marks the Philly Inquirer as a REAL news source: They use “media” as a plural word; ie “the media are” rather than the gooberish but widely accepted “the media is.” This is important because the singular helps those who want to portray our free press as a conspiratorial monolith, no different from Putin’s, or any other dictator’s, propaganda arm. The enemies of the free press are many and varied but they all try to invoke a conspiracy they cannot prove, but whose existence they know their audience will assume.

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KGxvi  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:32:40pm

re: #186 The Pie Overlord!

Has anyone tried forming a coalition government with the Arab parties? Or is that still a bridge to far in Israel?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:37:47pm

re: #172 Dread Pirate

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I read an article about how Eastwood has slandered the female reporter Scruggs and just knew that’s why he took on this project. That fucking old twat needs to do a lap dance on the invisible person in the chair he brought on stage at the Republican convention in the corner of some dark room instead of making movies now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:39:38pm

re: #190 Barefoot Grin

The chair thing put me off him for good. Dude is almost 90, he should get away from movies and enjoy his last few years.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:43:22pm

re: #185 The Pie Overlord!

JEFFRESS: Hello Jews! Happy Hanukkah & you’re all going to Hell!

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:44:32pm

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:45:01pm

“I demanded that McGahn create a false story about firing Mueller and they get me on Ukraine?”

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bratwurst  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:46:51pm
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:47:55pm

re: #163 lawhawk

How dare the US intel community and law enforcement use FISA against GOPers or allow GOPers to get caught up in investigations that reveal widespread criminal conduct by GOPers. It’s meant only to go after Democrats /GOPers like Graham.

And the president is above the law and anything the president is does is legal. But we should be investigating and convicting Obama for what he did as president.

¯\(°_o)/¯

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plansbandc  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:51:25pm

re: #155 The Pie Overlord!

Good ole reliable Maggie at it once again.

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terraincognita  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:51:46pm

re: #194 Barefoot Grin

“I demanded that McGahn create a false story about firing Mueller and they get me on Ukraine?”

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Well, sometimes you get to choose which articles of impeachment you would like, sometimes you have to achieve the articles you would prefer, other times impeachment is thrust upon you. Gotta go with the flow, Donny.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:53:06pm

re: #192 BeachDem

Why did this post get a downding from terraincognita?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:53:44pm

re: #194 Barefoot Grin

Implies he thought he did a lot of other stuff more worthy of impeachment than Ukraine

He knows he’s a criminal

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:54:54pm
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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:55:19pm

re: #199 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Why did this post get a downding from terraincognita?

Don’t know—probably a finger slip (why else would anyone downding one of my glorious posts???///)

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bratwurst  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:56:22pm

re: #200 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Implies he thought he did a lot of other stuff more worthy of impeachment than Ukraine

He knows he’s a criminal

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My theory is that it’s not among the 5 worst things he’s done as POTUS (or among the 20 worst things he’s done in his lifetime of shittiness), just the worst thing he got caught doing red handed.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:56:45pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:57:52pm

re: #204 The Pie Overlord!

That is utterly heartbreaking.

Fuck anti-semites.

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terraincognita  Dec 11, 2019 • 2:58:02pm

re: #202 BeachDem

Definitely a finger slip, sorry. Correction made.

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bratwurst  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:00:44pm

re: #204 The Pie Overlord!

Sorry, but I am done with the whole “both sides” aspect of this. It is not leftwing BDS activists who are shooting up synagogues and kosher markets.

This is not to excuse for a moment the considerable anti-Semitism on the far left. It’s just there’s a more immediate issue going on at the other end of the spectrum.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:09:11pm

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There is a similar blown cover in Inglorious Basterds.

One Russian plant blew their cover with me by replying with a dollar amount written as 100000$. In fact I just used that way of writing it in a comment downstairs goofing on a twitter imbed post that was obviously from a Russian plant.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:10:49pm

Jeffress in 2010:
“…God sends good people to Hell. Not only do religions like Mormonism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism—not only do they lead people away from from God, they lead people to an eternity of separation from God in Hell. You know Jesus was very clear: Hell is not only going to be populated by murderers, and drug dealers, and child dealers; Hell is going to be filled with good religious people who have rejected the truth of Christ.”
motherjones.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:11:27pm
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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:13:14pm
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:13:51pm

re: #182 BeachDem

Bob Kraft, Jeffress and Alan Dershowitz. What a guest list.

Epstein wasn’t available to come.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:15:29pm

re: #211 jaunte

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oooooooh…POPCORN!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:19:08pm

somethings for the Trekkies here:

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plansbandc  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:19:53pm

re: #209 jaunte

Every time I read something like that from those oh so Christlike people, I become even less likely to ever go to any church for anything again.

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:24:36pm
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:26:21pm

Looks like Parnas may be going back to jail:

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:26:58pm

re: #209 jaunte

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Jeffress in 2010:
“…God sends good people to Hell. Not only do religions like Mormonism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism—not only do they lead people away from from God, they lead people to an eternity of separation from God in Hell. You know Jesus was very clear: Hell is not only going to be populated by murderers, and drug dealers, and child dealers; Hell is going to be filled with good religious people who have rejected the truth of Christ.”
motherjones.com

In George Bernard Shaw’s Arms And The Man, all the cool kids are in Hell, and only boring old stick-up-the-ass are in Heaven.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:38:04pm

re: #212 Eventual Carrion

Epstein wasn’t available to come.

Wonder if last year’s Band of Brothers got invites?


At one point during the party that night, Parnas and Fruman slipped out of a large reception room packed with hundreds of Trump donors to have a private meeting with the President and Giuliani, according to two acquaintances in whom Parnas confided right after the meeting.
cnn.com
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 3:54:22pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:01:33pm

ONLY THE CHEWIEST JUICE COME TO THE TRUMP HANUKKAH PARTY!!

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:02:55pm

re: #221 The Pie Overlord!

ONLY THE CHEWIEST JUICE COME TO THE TRUMP HANUKKAH PARTY!!

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I keep thinking he can’t be any more disgusting, and he always ALWAYS proves me wrong.

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gocart mozart  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:04:51pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:05:18pm

re: #69 Dread Pirate

My money is on the US Army National Guard snipers that would put down a revolution.

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Yeah. A Barrett is perfect for frightening people who thought you wouldn’t fight back.

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plansbandc  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:06:10pm

re: #222 retired cynic

Every day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:09:20pm

re: #222 retired cynic

I keep thinking he can’t be any more disgusting, and he always ALWAYS proves me wrong.

I think if you asked me yesterday to imagine the worst White House Hanukkah party ever I couldn’t have come up with something as bad as this.

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gocart mozart  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:17:23pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:19:03pm

Ferchrissakes Collins is just yelling nonsense. With heavy use of juvenile sarcasm voice.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:19:19pm

re: #227 gocart mozart

JFC, my eyes.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:19:39pm

re: #228 Jebediah, RBG

Because she’s very concerned.
/
Oops, it’s another Collins. Wrong gender.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:20:43pm

re: #230 Ace Rothstein

Sorry I should have been more specific - Doug Collins but to be fair he seems awfully “concerned” also.

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Disloyal Archangel  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:20:50pm

Meanwhile, on the other side of the planet…

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:21:05pm

re: #231 Jebediah, RBG

I corrected.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:22:29pm

Doug Collins is a babbling asshole spreading lies.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:22:52pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:24:06pm

re: #234 jaunte

He’s a Republican, duh.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:24:40pm
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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:26:00pm

Doug Collins wastes a lot of indignation on behalf of a guy who steals from charities and swindles people with a fake university.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:26:03pm

re: #237 jaunte

Basically saying “All this investigation and all we got was conclusive evidence of a crime?!?!”

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:26:26pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:30:54pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:32:02pm

re: #234 jaunte

Doug Collins is a babbling asshole spreading lies.

What Republican isn’t these days?

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:32:32pm

re: #237 jaunte

ALL WE GET IS THIS GUY SOLICITING AN UNDERCOVER FBI AGENT TO MURDER HIS WIFE AND THEN HE CHANGED HIS MIND??!!

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EPR-radar  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:33:37pm

re: #235 jaunte

More GOP projection. Republicans have been telling their ‘Big Lies’ for decades.

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EPR-radar  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:35:11pm

re: #241 Dread Pirate

God. Imagine having the fate of your country possibly depending on the drivel that shows up in Trump’s Twitter output.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:36:41pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:42:29pm
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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:44:52pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:46:51pm
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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:47:35pm

re: #248 jaunte

Charles Pierce, from tweets

So here’s the thing.
I got hit by a car.
I am extremely lucky. I have stitches in my head — and probably a concussion — and a compression fracture in my lower back without any neurological damage but which is requiring loverly pain meds. Thanks for all good wishes. I’ll be around here and the shebeen will reopen soon

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:54:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:55:40pm
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Disloyal Archangel  Dec 11, 2019 • 4:59:02pm

For the Star Wars fans:

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:00:08pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:02:43pm

No Jacket Gym’s shirt is three sizes too big.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:08:24pm

Has anyone gotten an accurate, impartial crowd count for Trump’s most recent rally in Hershey, PA?

I ask, because I was listening to ham radio for a bit, and I overheard an op who went to the rally. He described the woman who was removed (and described what he would do instead!)

According to him, there were 25,000 in the hall and 5,000 outside. We’ve taken it for granted that Trump doesn’t get many attendees at his rallies. I just wonder if this is whistling past the graveyard?

(Aside: I continue to be dismayed at how many radio hobbyists are hard-conservative Trumpers. Anymouse is one of the few hams I know with compatible politics to me.)

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:10:57pm

re: #257 Sherlock Hound

The capacity of the Giant Center in Hershey is 10,500.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:11:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:12:40pm

re: #257 Sherlock Hound

(Aside: I continue to be dismayed at how many radio hobbyists are hard-conservative Trumpers. Anymouse is one of the few hams I know with compatible politics to me.)

I’m a ham operator as well…Extra Class for more than 40 years

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:12:59pm

Ken Buck is a snowflake. Actors were being mean!

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:13:17pm

re: #258 Ace Rothstein

I guess the question is, was the Hershey Center full, and were there 5,000 folks waiting outside?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:15:30pm

re: #262 Sherlock Hound

I guess the question is, was the Hershey Center full, and were there 5,000 folks waiting outside?

and how many were Pennsylvania residents and how many were bused in like that “lady” from Brooklyn?

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:15:59pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m a ham operator as well…Extra Class for more than 40 years

That makes 3 liberals on the air!
///

I’m not that far behind you. Extra, too, 30 years, and I have my commercial ticket with radar.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:16:07pm

re: #262 Sherlock Hound

Looking at a few pictures, it looks full to me.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:16:55pm

FFS

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:21:22pm

Not the first guy

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:24:11pm

Jeez, Ratcliffe…

No one ever heard of obstruction of congress or abuse of power?

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:25:19pm

re: #267 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I watched that video and while not surprising, it’s terrifying.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:29:18pm

re: #235 jaunte

[Embedded content]

“The majority is saying that Mr. Zelensky is a liar.”

Yeah, yeah we are. He has his reasons I’m sure, but he is lying.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:30:33pm

Evening Lizardim.

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:31:07pm

Rep Richmond: Wow, I’d follow him into battle.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:38:55pm

re: #257 Sherlock Hound

Has anyone gotten an accurate, impartial crowd count for Trump’s most recent rally in Hershey, PA?

I ask, because I was listening to ham radio for a bit, and I overheard an op who went to the rally. He described the woman who was removed (and described what he would do instead!)

According to him, there were 25,000 in the hall and 5,000 outside. We’ve taken it for granted that Trump doesn’t get many attendees at his rallies. I just wonder if this is whistling past the graveyard?

(Aside: I continue to be dismayed at how many radio hobbyists are hard-conservative Trumpers. Anymouse is one of the few hams I know with compatible politics to me.)

From what I can find about where the rally was held:
Giant Center is a 10,500-seat multi-purpose arena.

So 25,000 might be a stretch.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:44:45pm

re: #273 Eventual Carrion

At least. But they may have filled it somewhat. I expect Trump, or whoever the local organizer is, pulled some numbers out of their wherever.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:46:20pm

They are all full of shit about human rights today.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:47:06pm

Well, the trip into downtown Philly for appointments was not so bad. Trains ran on time and no snow accumulation beyond some on the grass near home.

So I got to doctor’s office early… and the doctor ran late. So I was stuck in a waiting room for almost two hours with morning network TV not out of audio range. And couldn’t leave the office since I could be called at any minute for my appointment.

And who does The View roll out to ask about the impeachment stuff… Chris Christie.

Who predictably regurgitates the GOP talking points and claims that the Democrats did not make their case since there is not overwhelming support to remove Trump.

I simply wonder why these shows insist on rolling out GOP vomiting heads for these things. And why, oh why, even consider Christie? He ended his term as governor of NJ essentially holding up the middle finger to the citizens of the state. He was a “leader in control” up to the point that he knew nothing about his staffers pulling off the Bridgegate retaliation. And he cozied up to Trump the moment it was obvious that he wasn’t getting the nomination himself - along with that brilliant “deer in headlights” picture of him behind Trump at some announcement or rally. Expecting him to deliver anything but comments brown-nosing Trump was pretty much impossible.

So I can only express the opinion that the producers of that show are simply more complacent media spreading the lotus and trying to keep the public drugged and asleep as democracy drifts away and is buried by authoritarianism.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:48:05pm

re: #265 Ace Rothstein

Looking at a few pictures, it looks full to me.

For comparison, there are college football games with attendance over 100,000.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:48:49pm

re: #274 Sherlock Hound

At least. But they may have filled it somewhat. I expect Trump, or whoever the local organizer is, pulled some numbers out of their wherever.

Hershey is a good location to pull in the Pennsyltuckians to see Trump. Close to the PA Turnpike and not that far off to get traffic using I-81 to get into the vicinity from north or south. And the conservative western suburbs of Philadelphia probably contributed attendees as well.

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gocart mozart  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:49:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:50:22pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 11, 2019 • 5:52:20pm

re: #277 Eventual Carrion

For comparison, there are college football games with attendance over 100,000.

Yea, the “Nittley” Lions play not that far away to large attendance. Partially due to not much else to do in State College on the weekend.*

* - Well, if you’re a football coach assistant with certain proclivities perhaps there is something else.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:05:42pm

re: #281 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Yea, the “Nittley” Lions play not that far away to large attendance. Partially due to not much else to do in State College on the weekend.*

* - Well, if you’re a football coach assistant with certain proclivities perhaps there is something else.

Yeah, my wife’s a Nittany grad.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:11:14pm

Maddow breaks news that Trump tried to order the movement of Seoul away from the border, 25 million people. We are officially an Idiocracy.

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gocart mozart  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:11:50pm

Let’s go back to 1973 to find an honest Republican

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:14:13pm

This actually happened, a nuclear war devastated the earth in
2017 and now we are all dead and in Hell.

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plansbandc  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:15:20pm

re: #285 The Pie Overlord!

I’ve suspected as much.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:19:29pm
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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:20:44pm

Well this sucks - coldest night of this winter and half the hotel just lost power. Fricking Xcel is saying 3 hours till it’s back on line. Not my idea of fun.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:23:59pm

re: #288 William Lewis

Well this sucks - coldest night of this winter and half the hotel just lost power. Fricking Xcel is saying 3 hours till it’s back on line. Not my idea of fun.

Oh, damn. And it is absolutely frigid out there, for sure. Stay warm, my friend.

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gocart mozart  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:24:40pm

ingenious

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:29:06pm

re: #283 Dread Pirate

Maddow breaks news that Trump tried to order the movement of Seoul away from the border, 25 million people. We are officially an Idiocracy.

And the detail about his briefers having to explain to him that the darkness on the satellite photo of the Korean peninsula was North Korea, not ocean. The jokes about him not being able to find Ukraine (or anywhere outside of NYC) on a map are true.

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gocart mozart  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:50:38pm

Swalwel is good. See him at the 52 minute mark

House Judiciary Committee Debates Articles of Impeachment

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i(m)p(each)sos  Dec 11, 2019 • 6:53:42pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m a ham operator as well…Extra Class for more than 40 years

General, for about 3. (Waited way too long.)

73 de K2-my real life initials


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