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The House continues markup of the Trump impeachment articles, which began Wednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern. House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against the president and will hold a final vote sometime before Christmas. The Post’s Libby Casey will be joined by reporters Elise Viebeck, Colby Itkowitz and Rhonda Colvin.

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1
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:18:56am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:25:35am
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:29:23am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:31:29am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

I still think the Tories are gonna win, hate to say it. But if there’s a surge in Labour voters, and especially if Brexit opponents engage in some tactical voting, there’s a distinct possibility that the election could return a hung parliament……which would be an utter fiasco for the Tories.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:31:51am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:32:23am
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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:33:12am

re: #3 Belafon

The GOP didn’t like the investigation held in secret.
The GOP didn’t like the investigation held in a SCIF.
The GOP didn’t like a public investigation.
The GOP didn’t like the evidence and facts found in the investigation.
The GOP doesn’t have any exculpatory facts to Trump’s criminal conduct or the conduct of those who carried out his criminal intent.
The GOP seeks to deflect/project by claiming Hunter Biden is the real criminal.
The GOP will lie, smear, and try to turn things into a circus because they have no defense for Trump otherwise.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:35:04am
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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:37:21am
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:37:31am

“The pot calling the kettle black is not something we should do. I don’t know what members have had problems with substance abuse, been busted for DUI — I don’t know. But if I did, I wouldn’t raise it against anyone.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:38:35am

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The purpose of the INF was to avoid the increased risk of war simply due to the reality that intermediate-range missiles only really work if they’re parked right on your enemy’s doorstep. That was the reason Reagan negotiated that treaty, because the deployments of such missiles were not only controversial, but the local governments were afraid that they would be the first target of retaliation if the US should choose to launch a nuclear strike using such weapons.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:39:01am

re: #5 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Too subtle for the public. Should have been something like “From someone who has had their own substance problems in the past, maybe that is a line you should stay away from.”. Can’t take it for granted that the whole of the electorate knows about his DUI’s.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:40:41am

re: #9 lawhawk

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He pulls this shit again and again, yet the media acts surprised every time when China tells them that there’s no deal happening.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:43:19am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:44:39am

re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White

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Trump had critics were in your party Ari before they folded up and decided to be enabling cowards like you are.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:45:10am

re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Undermined national unity.” Again, the unsubtle argument that wingnuts make is Trump is only unpopular because the Dems keep investigating him. That if the Dems had instead embraced him, then people would have put their negative feelings for him aside and embraced him as “their” president.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:45:16am

FFS

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:45:28am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:46:43am

re: #16 Targetpractice

“Undermined national unity.” Again, the unsubtle argument that wingnuts make is Trump is only unpopular because the Dems keep investigating him. That if the Dems had instead embraced him, then people would have put their negative feelings for him aside and embraced him as “their” president.

Just like Obama undermined and divided us?
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:48:39am

re: #17 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

FFS

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Bales is currently serving a life sentence without parole in the military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas after he pleaded guilty to killing 16 Afghans, while on deployment in the Panjwai district, Kandahar province, Afghanistan on March 11, 2012. The act has been called one of the worst atrocities of the war.

On that night, Bales left his forward operating base alone and killed four Afghans, including a 3-year-old girl, he told a reporter in 2015. He returned to his FOB for more ammunition and left again to kill 12 more people in another nearby village. The victims were men, women and mostly children.

Motherfucker.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:51:50am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

Bales is currently serving a life sentence without parole in the military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas after he pleaded guilty to killing 16 Afghans, while on deployment in the Panjwai district, Kandahar province, Afghanistan on March 11, 2012. The act has been called one of the worst atrocities of the war.

On that night, Bales left his forward operating base alone and killed four Afghans, including a 3-year-old girl, he told a reporter in 2015. He returned to his FOB for more ammunition and left again to kill 12 more people in another nearby village. The victims were men, women and mostly children.

Motherfucker.

Which means we’ll soon see a member of his family on Faux to plead that he deserves to be released because “They were so mean to this brave soldier!!!”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:52:25am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:52:33am

Trump was never interested in uniting the country.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:53:20am

re: #7 lawhawk

The GOP didn’t like the investigation held in secret.
The GOP didn’t like the investigation held in a SCIF.
The GOP didn’t like a public investigation.
The GOP didn’t like the evidence and facts found in the investigation.
The GOP doesn’t have any exculpatory facts to Trump’s criminal conduct or the conduct of those who carried out his criminal intent.
The GOP seeks to deflect/project by claiming Hunter Biden is the real criminal.
The GOP will lie, smear, and try to turn things into a circus because they have no defense for Trump otherwise.

There is a Dr Zeus rhyme in here somewhere.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:56:51am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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Or having his head photoshopped on her body fer Chrissake because he is jealous.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:57:11am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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Fondling, maybe.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:57:25am

re: #24 Scottish Dragon

Yeah, I was thinking that at the time, but couldn’t spend the time reworking it to go full Seuss.

I’ve also toyed with doing that as an acrostic, but same problem.

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Alephnaught  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:58:36am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Also, the tweet about Greta is pure projection. So, she needs to work to her “Anger Management problem”, says someone who is still on a rage-fuelled tweet-binge as we speak. How many tweets are we up to now? This is @joemygod from an hour ago.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:58:47am

re: #25 Scottish Dragon

Or having his head photoshopped on her body fer Chrissake because he is jealous.

He makes Nixon look self assured.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:04:42am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Never.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:04:43am
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:05:47am

Weren’t we all just yearning to live through Andrew Johnson’s presidency? //

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:06:17am

re: #28 Alephnaught

Glorious Leader just tweeted for the 100th time today.

Hyperbole, right?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:06:47am

re: #31 Belafon

sounds like perfect trump lawyer. When is he off to Ukraine?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:08:14am

re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White

oh gfy ari

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:09:20am

re: #7 lawhawk

The GOP didn’t like the investigation held in secret.
The GOP didn’t like the investigation held in a SCIF.
The GOP didn’t like a public investigation.
The GOP didn’t like the evidence and facts found in the investigation.
The GOP doesn’t have any exculpatory facts to Trump’s criminal conduct or the conduct of those who carried out his criminal intent.
The GOP seeks to deflect/project by claiming Hunter Biden is the real criminal.
The GOP will lie, smear, and try to turn things into a circus because they have no defense for Trump otherwise.

It occurred to me yesterday that the GOP’s entire “defense” of Trump could be summed up in two words: “So what?”

So what if Trump tried to extort Zelensky? He got his money, so he should be grateful!

So what if Trump tried to corrupt the election? Ukrainians once said mean things about him, so he’s just getting even!

So what if every career diplomat thinks what he did was wrong? We hate career folks, as does our base, so they need to step the fuck off!

So what if all these law professors say his actions were impeachable? They hate him, so their opinion doesn’t count!

So what if we’re setting a bad precedent by giving him a pass? They’re setting a worse precedent by demanding he be held accountable for his actions!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:11:27am

re: #5 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I regret the honorable gentleman from Georgia’s subtly.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:12:21am

re: #2 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, tweeting 100 times a day is pretty busy.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:12:37am
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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:13:19am

re: #39 jaunte

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Feature, not a bug.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:13:22am

re: #36 Targetpractice

Behind the veil for NSFW language (Metallica’s version of So What?)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:14:32am

re: #39 jaunte

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I mean we were partisan in being right about Nixon at first too and now the only people who still think Nixon was right openly are Pat Buchanan and Roger Stone.

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Alephnaught  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:14:54am

re: #33 Sir John Barron

Hyperbole, right?

Nope. @joemygod explains:

And by the time his website publishes the story, (from 48 mins ago) the total is up to 107 tweets.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:17:29am
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Dread Pirate  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:17:54am
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:18:52am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:19:19am
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stpaulbear  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:19:43am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

,,,or how tasty.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:20:25am

One thing that should be pointed out by Dems is that statement by Zelensky about feeling pressure came after the aid was released. It’s like asking someone who’s found out they were the victim of a scam artist if they felt they were being scammed at the time. If Zelensky admits he felt pressured, then it not only opens him to retaliation by Trump, but it totally undermines his presidency because his people will ask uncomfortable questions about whether this “incorruptible” new president was willing to go along with corrupt acts.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:22:08am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:22:09am
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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:22:25am

re: #17 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

FFS

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And look who’s in the “Justice for Warriors Caucus” (which I can’t even find listed as an actual caucus)—GOHMERT, Duncan Hunter and Ralph (“gun violence is a spiritual, mental or people issue, not a gun issue”) Norman.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:22:38am

re: #45 Dread Pirate

Gotta admit, that’s damned interesting. Looks the House and Senate have finally lost all patience with Erdoğan ‘s bullshit.

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Alephnaught  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:22:47am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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BTW Just found out Greta has, in response, been trolling Trump through her Twitter bio. Probably a bit too subtle for him to comprehend, but…

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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:22:55am

re: #24 Scottish Dragon

There is a Dr Zeus rhyme in here somewhere.

I had the same thought…

Oh the Hearings We’ll Obstruct

We do not like them in a SCIF.
You will not like an angry Biff.
We do not like the witnesses you call.
Coffee boys and girls, one and all.
We do not like them on the telly.
Donald likes to rub his belly.
We do not like them supported with facts.
Our circus is filled with multiple acts.
We do not like them ignoring younger Biden.
Junior, Eric and Ivanka have all chimed in.
We do not like them exposing Republican deceits.
Damn the Democrats have receipts.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:26:24am

re: #50 jaunte

I’ve been pointing that out the past couple of days.

Parnas is a money guy. He got millions from Russia and doled it out to everyone in the GOP - state level party orgs, individuals like Trump, Pete Sessions, and *checks notes* Kevin McCarthy, etc.

The GOP is running on foreign money. Russian money.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:27:06am

re: #50 jaunte

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I mean. I’m sorry but it should be front page news that someone arrested in this has been giving money to the number one Republican in the House.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:30:49am
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Florida Panhandler  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:32:03am

re: #54 Alephnaught

BTW Just found out Greta has, in response, been trolling Trump through her Twitter bio. Probably a bit too subtle for him to comprehend, but…

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Something tells me that she will be able to troll Trump from the Harvard or Stanford campus in a few years.

While he is in prison.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:32:10am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Trump didn’t write that (though I’m sure he loves it). One of his white supremacist buddies did.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:32:33am

re: #58 Dread Pirate

But hey, if Senate isn’t going to call witnesses why not wait for legal cases to proceed and hold impeachment over Trump as long as possible.

Merrick Garland defense:

“It is not fitting for the Senate to hold an impeachment trial this late into a President’s term.”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:33:17am
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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:34:42am

re: #24 Scottish Dragon
The GOP didn’t like the investigation held in secret.
The GOP didn’t like the investigation held in a SCIF.
The GOP didn’t like a public investigation.
The GOP didn’t like the evidence and facts found in the investigation.
The GOP doesn’t have any exculpatory facts to Trump’s criminal conduct or the conduct of those who carried out his criminal intent.
The GOP seeks to deflect/project by claiming Hunter Biden is the real criminal.
The GOP will lie, smear, and try to turn things into a circus because they have no defense for Trump otherwise.

There is a Dr Zeus rhyme in here somewhere.

How’s this? (I needed a little break from work)

I do not like these secret talks
I do not like that SCIF with locks
I do not like things in the open
Nor things not going the way I’m hopin’

I do not like to deal with facts
I’m only good at fake attacks
I have no case, no evidence
I’ve only mouthy arrogance

My only hope is to deflect
If that won’t work, I’ll just project
Some random crimes on Hunter Biden
While orange man goes into hidin’

I’ll lie and smear and make a circus
No truth to tell, we’ll simply smirk (us)
We just need a calliope
We’re full of shit—we’re GOP

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sagehen  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:35:10am

re: #59 Florida Panhandler

Something tells me that she will be able to troll Trump from the Harvard or Stanford campus in a few years.

While he is in prison.

More likely she’ll be at Cambridge, or the Sorbonne.

She should be afraid to put herself within US jurisdiction.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:35:31am

No grift too small or tawdry.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:36:25am

Space
Between My Ears
Force

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:38:28am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:39:04am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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I think it’s more compulsion than obsession. He can’t stop himself doing it, because he’s so freaked out over being impeached.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:39:41am

re: #55 Teddy’s Person

I had the same thought…

Oh the Hearings We’ll Obstruct

We do not like them in a SCIF.
You will not like an angry Biff.
We do not like the witnesses you call.
Coffee boys and girls, one and all.
We do not like them on the telly.
Donald likes to rub his belly.
We do not like them supported with facts.
Our circus is filled with multiple acts.
We do not like them ignoring younger Biden.
Junior, Eric and Ivanka have all chimed in.
We do not like them exposing Republican deceits.
Damn the Democrats have receipts.

Perfect.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:40:08am

re: #63 BeachDem

I do not like this Impeachment sham,
I do not like it, Schiff I am!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:40:14am

re: #67 Charles Johnson

The signs seem to be working. Look at all those thirsty cameras drinking them in.

they’re out for sensations, not to cover actual news

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stpaulbear  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:41:12am

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

I think it’s more compulsion than obsession. He can’t stop himself doing it, because he’s so freaked out over being impeached.

And there’s no one left who wants to talk to him in real time & space.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:42:16am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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There is no way he is actually doing anything other than sit in his room playing on his phone. The POTUS is being paid by the American people to be an internet addict.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:43:05am

re: #72 stpaulbear

And there’s no one left who wants to talk to him in real time & space.

and he is too vain to talk to paintings

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Dread Pirate  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:43:14am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:43:28am

re: #73 Scottish Dragon

There is no way he is actually doing anything other than sit in his room playing on his phone. The POTUS is being paid by the American people to be an internet addict.

Internet AND TV addict. You know he’s got Fox News on 24/7 in that bedroom.

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Jay C  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:44:42am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and he is too vain to talk to paintings

Because the paintings would likely talk back to him and say:

“Fuck you, you incompetent clown! Resign already!!!”

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:44:42am
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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:45:18am

re: #73 Scottish Dragon

There is no way he is actually doing anything other than sit in his room playing on his phone. The POTUS is being paid by the American people to be an internet addict.

And Republicans in Congress are being paid by the American people to enable his addictions.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:45:39am

Jury tampering under way.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:50:45am

re: #73 Scottish Dragon

There is no way he is actually doing anything other than sit in his room playing on his phone. The POTUS is being paid by the American people to be an internet addict.

This is the “hard work” those in real upper management say they get the big bucks for. He (most of time it is he) works hard for his money tweeting and playing golf all day.

Not those easy jobs like trying to teach 30 students all day while a few of them are cranking on a sugar buzz OR humping packs of shingles up a ladder 2 stories up for hours OR standing on an assembly line for 12 hour doing repetitious piece work. Those sparrows can fight for the grain from upper managements shit.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:52:47am
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:53:51am

re: #82 Charles Johnson

I never cussed at the television before the Trump years, and now it’s multiples daily.

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plansbandc  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:55:11am

re: #82 Charles Johnson

I scream it out loud pretty much every day.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:57:51am

some good news

Paul Watson Throws Alex Jones Under The Bus In Sandy Hook Case

It’s assholes all the way down. From Huff Post.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:01:27pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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They are going to kill the Republic for money and power.

Nobody else could defeat us. We did it to ourselves.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:01:33pm
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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:01:46pm

Hmm. No pineapple in the house.

But I did find applesauce and canned mandarin oranges.

Let see how that goes with ham and potato in the old instant pot :)

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BigPapa  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:03:14pm

The hate for these evil scumbags is felt in my bones. I’m going to remember all of them, the ones who supported the destruction of our government and descent into fascism.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:06:13pm
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Sherlock Hound  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:06:32pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

EIN TRUMP, EIN TRUMP, EIN TRUMP!!

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:06:42pm

re: #87 jaunte

And Jared.

The two have zero experience.
The two never should have gotten clearances, but for Trump intervening to overrule the official channel.

They continue to ignore opsec and use private email and messaging services.

Both continue to profit and engage in deals overseas for personal gain.

They are using their positions to benefit themselves personally and directly.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:08:11pm
Ivanka has created 14M jobs in “two years,” even though US economy has added only 3M in the last two years

Are most of the jobs prefaced with the words “hand” or “blow” ???????

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:09:48pm

re: #24 Scottish Dragon

There is a Dr Zeus rhyme in here somewhere.

GMTA. It gave me a Green Eggs and Ham vibe.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:10:53pm

re: #93 I Would Prefer Not To

Are most of the jobs prefaced with the words “hand” or “blow” ???????

You forgot con…. that’s the one job Trumpworld excels at.

Well, that and creating jobs for lots of lawyers. They’re keeping the Beltway legal community busy.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:13:11pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:14:13pm

Gohmert now blaming his high school civics teacher Coach Barker for his own ignorance.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:14:38pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:15:19pm

re: #54 Alephnaught

BTW Just found out Greta has, in response, been trolling Trump through her Twitter bio. Probably a bit too subtle for him to comprehend, but…

I wonder if Greta’s father is still living? I wonder how a father would like 70 something old “leader” attacking his teenage daughter? Would love to see the father, or mother, totally go off on the mf.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:15:50pm

An important diary on a few House Democrats that are wavering on voting for impeachment and why it’s important to call your rep shwoing your support: dailykos.com

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:16:04pm

re: #95 lawhawk

You forgot con…. that’s the one job Trumpworld excels at.

Well, that and creating jobs for lots of lawyers. They’re keeping the Beltway legal community busy.

Ah, OK, then the 14 million number makes sense.

//

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:16:46pm

re: #101 Sir John Barron

Ah, OK, then the 14 million number makes sense.

//

When you start counting the individual lawsuits and causes of action, I think we get to 14 million easy. //////////

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:17:09pm

re: #93 I Would Prefer Not To

Are most of the jobs prefaced with the words “hand” or “blow” ???????

As well as “rim”, “lube”, “valve” and “knob” jobs!

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:17:44pm
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BigPapa  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:17:51pm

Gohmert is a moron.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:18:01pm
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:18:23pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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Living proof that white mediocrity can still get you elected time and time and time again.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:18:32pm
Ivanka has created 14M jobs in “two years,” even though US economy has added only 3M in the last two years

So, 11 million jobs in China making her cheap crap?

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:20:28pm

re: #108 BlueSpotinAL

So, 11 million jobs in China making her cheap crap?

18 jobs at TJ Maxx selling her discounted crap.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:20:36pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:21:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:23:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:24:00pm
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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:25:16pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:25:23pm

jumping in the thread late and no i havent read it yet

just want to keep reminding everyone the R’s in the house are making arguments, rationalizations, excuses, explanations, etc that are all post hoc / after the fact

NONE of this is what trump et al were thinking at the time

these are excuses they’re making up now to get away with what he did then.

want ‘proof’?
i am more than willing to use the house R’s own argument: if the administration has one document or one single witness to back any of this up - what trump was thinking at the time, why the aid was held up - then present it

otherwise it’s a bunch of congresspeople spewing theories with zero witnesses and zero testimony and zero documentation

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:28:23pm

nice shade with the hashtag

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:29:52pm

re: #31 Belafon

Alan Dershowitz
@TheDersh
Oh sure, NOW I’m “controversial.”

I remember the good ol’ days when I would still be called “famous” and “renowned” despite tirelessly defending torture, Israeli war crimes, and obvious celebrity murderers. twitter.com

His profile says that he’s not the real Alan Dershowitz.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:30:51pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:31:16pm

0 days without my state being an embarrasment…

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:31:23pm

mcclintock conflating EP with “not one document and no testimony at all”

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:31:30pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

Most helpful to Putin?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:32:36pm
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:32:44pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Gohmert gonna tell us all about how he was stationed at CheckPoint Charlize in West Munich.

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ericblair  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:33:01pm

re: #114 lawhawk

If anyone thinks that what I and the science are saying is advocating for a political view - then that says more about that person than about me.
That being said - some are certainly failing more than others.

Politics is the exercise of non-military power. Fighting climate change will require the exercise of a great deal of power. It is the world’s greatest collective action problem and solving it hurts a lot of powerful people. It is political.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:33:27pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Mean” Joe Greene, Jack Ham, Jack Lambert, and Mel Blount would like a word. They didn’t fall.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:33:44pm
“It’s not a political party anymore. It’s a cult.”

— Former Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL), quoted by the Quad City Times, on the Republican Party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:34:48pm

re: #125 lawhawk

“Mean” Joe Greene, Jack Ham, Jack Lambert, and Mel Blount would like a word. They didn’t fall.

LC Greenwood, Ernie Holmes, and Dwight White would like a word.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:34:48pm

re: #123 Scottish Dragon

Theron lies the problem….

Atomic Blonde - Official Trailer #2 [HD]

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steve_davis  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:35:13pm

re: #96 Scottish Dragon

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alligator found lunch. not that hard to figure out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:35:19pm
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:37:10pm

re: #128 lawhawk

Theron lies the problem….

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LMAO well played, sir. Yes, that was the joke I was making!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:37:27pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That self-gaslighting is the troubling phenomenon I was talking about the other day, where GOPers deny, and may in fact not believe that the call summary WHICH WE CAN ALL STILL READ clearly says things like “though” and “Biden” and in fact never actually says “Burisma”.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:37:49pm

re: #128 lawhawk

Damned good movie also.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:38:00pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:39:34pm

re: #132 Blind Frog Belly White

That self-gaslighting is the troubling phenomenon I was talking about the other day, where GOPers deny, and may in fact not believe that the call summary WHICH WE CAN ALL STILL READ clearly says things like “though” and “Biden” and in fact never actually says “Burisma”.

they simply will not agree that anything ‘the other side’ says is true (including media)

any ‘agreement’ on anything is capitulation’

castor got nailed that way the other day and had no way out. they he shook his head, lowered his voice and quietly said ‘yes’ a few times

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:41:26pm

re: #133 Scottish Dragon

Theron is scheduled to be in Atomic Blonde 2….
Keanu is scheduled to be in both John Wick 4 and Matrix 4 - and those two movies are scheduled right now to drop the same day.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:41:46pm

re: #128 lawhawk

Theron lies the problem….

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Video

Looks like another good one to see with No Time to Die, Ghostbusters & WW.

OH! that one’s already out there. How’d I miss that one?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:42:09pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:42:38pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:43:00pm

Cicilline scolds Republicans for not standing up for the people: “If you’re not up to the job, you don’t belong in Congress.”

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:43:12pm

re: #132 Blind Frog Belly White

That self-gaslighting is the troubling phenomenon I was talking about the other day, where GOPers deny, and may in fact not believe that the call summary WHICH WE CAN ALL STILL READ clearly says things like “though” and “Biden” and in fact never actually says “Burisma”.

Look, we didn’t know then, and still don’t know now, anything about ‘Burisma’, but we think it’s helpful to say Burisma as many times as we can now anyway for our idiot followers.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:43:55pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:44:53pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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To my IMMENSE shame, I voted for that asshole during the 2003 Recall elections. He was purportedly a straight shooter, someone who would serve as a counterbalance to the Assembly.

Turns out he’s just another chiseler.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:45:22pm

as Biggs tries to explain ‘why’ the aid was finally released, once again - HE is trying to explain what the president did and why

there are no direct witnesses who testified to any of this
there is no direct documentation supporting any of this

if this is in fact what happened, why on earth wont the admin allow only those dox and just those witnesses (subject to exec priv if asked an untoward question) to testify?

YouTube

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:46:10pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He’s talking about since the Steelers stopped winning superbowls in the 80s.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:46:38pm

re: #137 William Lewis

Looks like another good one to see with No Time to Die, Ghostbusters & WW.

OH! that one’s already out there. How’d I miss that one?

There is a fight scene that I think is one of the best ever filmed, and you get a sense of how a woman who is actually professionally trained would fight for real when dealing with men who have superior upper body strength. (hint: don’t fight fair and don’t stand and trade punches)

Also…best 80’s soundtrack in a movie I’ve heard in years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:49:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:50:21pm
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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:51:29pm

re: #146 Scottish Dragon

There is a fight scene that I think is one of the best ever filmed, and you get a sense of how a woman who is actually professionally trained would fight for real when dealing with men who have superior upper body strength. (hint: don’t fight fair and don’t stand and trade punches)

Also…best 80’s soundtrack in a movie I’ve heard in years.

I think I know what movie I’ll watch tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:52:31pm

please refresh my #148

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:53:16pm

Chabot now bitching that the people who listened in to the call and have testified about it should have kept their mouths shut, because it hurts our “national security interest” to know if a president is up to nothing good.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:53:21pm

chabot thinks no one should be listening in on the president’s calls

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:54:46pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

Chabot now bitching that the people who listened in to the call and have testified about it should have kept their mouths shut, because it hurts our “national security interest” to know if a president is up to nothing good.

gmta

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:55:43pm

re: #146 Scottish Dragon

There is a fight scene that I think is one of the best ever filmed, and you get a sense of how a woman who is actually professionally trained would fight for real when dealing with men who have superior upper body strength. (hint: don’t fight fair and don’t stand and trade punches)

Also…best 80’s soundtrack in a movie I’ve heard in years.

What, better than the fight scene in Ep. 2 of Season 1 of Daredevil?
//

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:56:43pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

Chabot now bitching that the people who listened in to the call and have testified about it should have kept their mouths shut, because it hurts our “national security interest” to know if a president is up to nothing good.

so I guess if Biden had arranged a ‘corrupt deal for Hunter in Burisma’ we shouldn’t know about it because of national security interest?

Do these repubs believe in anything?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:56:58pm

re: #132 Blind Frog Belly White

That self-gaslighting is the troubling phenomenon I was talking about the other day, where GOPers deny, and may in fact not believe that the call summary WHICH WE CAN ALL STILL READ clearly says things like “though” and “Biden” and in fact never actually says “Burisma”.

But lack of an explicit “quid pro quo” quote means there wasn’t one.
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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:57:25pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

It creates family leave for federal workers.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:57:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 12:58:22pm

*snerk*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:03:19pm

re: #156 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

But lack of an explicit “quid pro quo” quote means there wasn’t one.
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I was thinking about that while watching “The Irishman”, when Russsell is telling Jimmy Hoffa that if he didn’t give up his run for the Teamsters’ leadership they’d kill him:

“You know I got no problem with you, right? But the higher ups, the wanted me to tell you, it’s what it is.”

Not, “We’re gonna kill you”. Just “It’s what it is.”

And another time, Hoffa says “We’re gonna have to do something about him”, and Sheeran gives him a glance, and he clarifies, “No, not THAT.”

Or just how Sheeran is introduced, “I hear you paint houses”, meaning you kill people.

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BigPapa  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:04:22pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not funny… but hecka funny.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:05:44pm

someone needs to explain to gohmert that congresspeople cant be impeached

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:06:45pm

re: #162 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

someone needs to explain to gohmert that congresspeople cant be impeached

Add it to the list of things someone needs to explain to him.

But, you know, you can lead a horse to water…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:07:04pm
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ericblair  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:09:15pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

The House today overwhelmingly passed a $738 billion compromise defense policy bill that would create a Space Force as the newest military servicehttps://politico.com

Eh. No new billets, currently a reallocation of existing Air Force slots with more visibility at the Joint Staff level. No changes to existing space law. The Clone Wars will have to wait.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:09:17pm

re: #119 Scottish Dragon

0 days without my state being an embarrasment…

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That’s so outrageous that I can’t even fathom a justification for such a settlement. Isn’t UNC a public university. So they took funds to give to a racist organization to settle a frivolous claim? I hope the Black student association sues UNC for this.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:11:13pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:21:19pm

re: #167 Patricia Kayden

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Maybe they’ve been led to believe that riding on trains and buses causes autism.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:21:23pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:22:18pm

Looks like the US and China may have reached some type of trade agreement: washingtonpost.com

Trump succeeds because he always claims he makes the best deals, when typically the changes are minor. But somehow those who support him accept his words that he’s the best negotiator on the planet.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:24:53pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:25:41pm

re: #171 jaunte

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Business as usual for the mob GOP.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:27:15pm

re: #170 Hecuba’s daughter

Nope. There’s no deal.

Just Trump delaying the next round of tariffs he was set to impose.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:30:12pm

O_o

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:32:34pm
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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:34:06pm

re: #173 lawhawk

Nope. There’s no deal.

Just Trump delaying the next round of tariffs he was set to impose.

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I want an investigation on who is routinely benefiting by these fake “we have a new deal with China” tweets and comments by DT! I don’t think they are random, and without benefit, at all!

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:34:44pm
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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:34:58pm

re: #176 retired cynic

It’s reasonable to think he’s doing pump and dumps each time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:36:36pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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WTAF.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:37:06pm
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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:37:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:37:20pm

my shocked face…

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:38:09pm

re: #178 lawhawk

It’s reasonable to think he’s doing pump and dumps each time.

“It’s so easy! When you’re president they just let you do it!”

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:38:53pm

Here’s Collins yelling and waving his papers again. Sigh.

I honestly don’t understand how anyone can watch people like GOHMERT, Goetz, Gym Jordan and Collins (among others) run their mouths and be so obnoxious and think, “Yeah, that’s who I want representing me in Congress.” Then I think of who their supportive constituents are (and my mind’s eye sees those pictures of rally attendees from the other night) and I just want to crawl into a hole and suck my thumb.

BUT I WON’T.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:39:52pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

while true - this is a distraction and a bad argument

the statmeent should be if trump was so interested in corruption in Ukraine and that’s why he held the money - where is any contemporaneous document or witness willing to testify under oath (not a congressman bloviating a theory) that supports that

anyone? bueller?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:40:33pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

this!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:40:55pm

FWIW, the Fox propaganda shows are now doing over 4M viewers in their better nights.

What does this mean?

It’s hard to parse viewership data, but the increased viewership of the Fox News regular shows during this middle-end stage of the impeachment hearings tells me that there is interest.

But it also suggests to me that the Trumper base is looking for words to use as excuses, and Hannity, Ingraham, etc. are there to give the Trumpers the words to use keep excusing Trump’s crimes.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:42:09pm

re: #184 BeachDem

their supportive constituents

Descendants of the fools who volunteered to die to defend wealthy men’s right to own people.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:43:36pm

re: #175 jaunte

they’re not arguing specific items of EP or other privileges

it’s blanket 100%. THAT should not have to be adjudicated

further - anyone can still testify and assert EP if a question encroaches
it’s not the same as asserting the 5th amendment

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:44:52pm

The actual impeachment arguments are far too complex for a viewer to come in cold to the entire process, and have any clue as to what is going on.

Lots of diehard tweeters put out little bits that are supposed to be important, but to someone who isn’t following these things these little bits have no meaning.

Example:

re: #186 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

I bet most Americans would have no clue what this is supposed to mean. “Burisma” without an explanation as to why anyone should care about that (is it a new brand of beer? a new disease? a new brand of paper towels?) “Burisma”.

This is why the likes of GOHMERT! put on the shows that they do: they know most Americans either don’t care or are not following close enough to follow the actual legal/moral/governmental issues.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:47:00pm

re: #180 Patricia Kayden

Yeah, you can argue that the state-based electoral college system is good and that the president shouldn’t be elected by popular vote, but you can’t then simultaneously argue that a victory in the EC is tantamount to an expression of the popular will.

I mean you can simultaneously argue both contradictory things but you’d be a partisan hack to do so.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:48:14pm

re: #190 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The actual impeachment arguments are far too complex for a viewer to come in cold to the entire process, and have any clue as to what is going on.

Lots of diehard tweeters put out little bits that are supposed to be important, but to someone who isn’t following these things these little bits have no meaning.

Example:

I bet most Americans would have no clue what this is supposed to mean. “Burisma” without an explanation as to why anyone should care about that (is it a new brand of beer? a new disease? a new brand of paper towels?) “Burisma”.

This is why the likes of GOHMERT! put on the shows that they do: they know most Americans either don’t care or are not following close enough to follow the actual legal/moral/governmental issues.

you aint wrong

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:52:11pm
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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:54:00pm

Heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:54:32pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:57:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:58:37pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 1:59:20pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Berk’s Choice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:00:43pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:01:12pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear…

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Is that a nominee for “You had one job.”?

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:01:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:03:21pm
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:03:36pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear…

What’s in the picture?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:04:29pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear…

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Holy shit, is that real??

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:05:50pm

re: #203 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:05:51pm

I’m not quite sure which I’d find funnier: A hung Parliament or Labour winning.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:05:53pm

re: #203 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:06:00pm

re: #204 Eclectic Cyborg

Holy shit, is that real??

yep

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:06:50pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:07:07pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep

Omg. That’s is freaking incredible!

Though I notice in the comments some are suggesting they fucked it up on purpose to get it trending.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:09:04pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

Omg. That’s is freaking incredible!

Though I notice in the comments some are suggesting they fucked it up on purpose to get it trending.

People need to reply “If that’s true, then realize these are the people who will be running your government.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:09:27pm

the polls closed 9 minutes ago…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:10:07pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

Omg. That’s is freaking incredible!

Though I notice in the comments some are suggesting they fucked it up on purpose to get it trending.

stupid is as stupid does…

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:10:20pm

Oh, well…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:10:29pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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the polls closed 9 minutes ago…

In other words it’s too damn early to make a forecast?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:11:26pm

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

In other words it’s too damn early to make a forecast?

that particular forecast was made before the polls closed

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:14:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:17:42pm

OMG…MrBWS just got home and handed me the mail

THERE IS A COMPLIMENTARY COPY OF THE EPOCH TIMES

why? why? why?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:20:50pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s always a dick measuring contest with that moron.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:20:59pm

the R’s keep pointing to the (non) transcript as if it’s the only piece of evidence

“it was a long phone call and covered other topics and biden was only mentioned a few times”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:21:59pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

How long ‘til WWIII?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:26:49pm

my summary

the R’s did what they had to do
and we know what the senate would likely do

they are craven and everyone over the age of 8 years old sees right through them

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oh and right now another R, is claiming a 100% blockade of all dox and witnesses, asserting some sort of EP, is the same as a disagreement on certain sub issues and litigating them only (fast and furious)

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:27:47pm

re: #220 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

the R’s keep pointing to the (non) transcript as if it’s the only piece of evidence

“it was a long phone call and covered other topics and biden was only mentioned a few times”

That’s how the code talkers helped us win the war.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:29:43pm

re: #223 Belafon

That’s how the code talkers helped us win the war.

So we need some conservaco translators to make true sense of their gibberish. perhaps construct an variant of Enigma that can decode it in close to real time.
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:33:53pm
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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:35:40pm

re: #196 jaunte

Norman Ornstein

@NormOrnstein
Kelly Armstrong, only the latest of a string of Republicnas to repeat over and over the big lie, among many lies, that Robert Mueller found no collusion. He found no such thing, and the Mueller Report is a damning indictment of Donald Trump.

Oh, I was screaming in the car at that point!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:36:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:39:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:39:56pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:43:18pm

WTAF

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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:46:14pm

Rep Nadler just made a good point, that I personally had not yet heard: that going to court to request adjudication of the request for documents and testimony from White House personnel and departments would perhaps be fine if the President had stated a privilege for his refusal. Instead, he had issued a blanket refusal to accept that Congress had any right to question him at all. Rep Biggs (I think it was) just sat there with his mouth hanging open, and did not respond. Bravo.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:47:40pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:49:00pm
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Cheechako  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:49:01pm

re: #220 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

the R’s keep pointing to the (non) transcript as if it’s the only piece of evidence

“it was a long phone call and covered other topics and biden was only mentioned a few times”

I’m firm believer that World Leaders, who conduct telephone conversations with each other very frequently, always record the calls. They would have to so they are able go back and review exactly what was said or agreed upon.

Somewhere in the super secret server is an actual recording of the questionable calls. I’m also sure Ukraine (and probably several other countries) have copies of these calls.

Time for the Intelligence Committees to get access to these servers, as is their right to do so.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:50:05pm

I must again remark that the GOP tries to project this image of being sure that impeachment will work in their favor and that the Dems will suffer politically. Yet they’ve suddenly decided in the last two weeks that Dems need to slow things down and allow the courts to rule on whether Trump has “absolute immunity.” Funny that…

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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:51:10pm

Rep Scanlon just was great!

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:52:27pm

Gym Jordan is screaming NO YOUR TEH OBSTRUKSHUNS!!!11!!

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Disloyal Archangel  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:52:59pm

Almost curious to find out what kind of insane reasoning Huckabee can provide…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:54:51pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:59:26pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 2:59:34pm

PBS seems to have just stopped giving a fark and have the camera stuck on Gohmert staring off into space.

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A Cranky One  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:03:44pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

PBS seems to have just stopped giving a fark and have the camera stuck on Gohmert staring off into space.

Camera operator is probably comatose after breathing the fumes from the massive amount of bullshit the repubs have spewed.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:04:16pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

OMG…MrBWS just got home and handed me the mail

THERE IS A COMPLIMENTARY COPY OF THE EPOCH TIMES

why? why? why?

Got one here in AL a couple months ago—the full national edition, not the cheaper regional boildown. Make Falun Gong Great Again.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:04:31pm

I can’t even. This happened a few short blocks from where my ex and kids live.

Barnard student stabbed to death

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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:04:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:10:00pm

re: #238 Disloyal Archangel

Almost curious to find out what kind of insane reasoning Huckabee can provide…

[Embedded content]

You do that Squealer.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:13:11pm

re: #238 Disloyal Archangel

Almost curious to find out what kind of insane reasoning Huckabee can provide…

” …………………………………. I saw Mark
Antony offer him a crown;—yet ‘twas not a crown
neither, ‘twas one of these coronets;—and, as I told
you, he put it by once: but, for all that, to my
thinking, he would fain have had it. Then he
offered it to him again; then he put it by again:
but, to my thinking, he was very loath to lay his
fingers off it. And then he offered it the third
time; he put it the third time by: and still as he
refused it, the rabblement hooted and clapped…”

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plansbandc  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:15:19pm

Seems concentration camps are trending. I fear things are going to get very very bad.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:18:54pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:19:04pm

New Bob Cesca podcast is up. Sure to be more interesting than this hearing. Next on the list is do I rent Atomic Blonde on Amazon Prime, or do I buy it?

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:20:42pm
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Jay C  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:21:07pm

And (hating it every nanosecond), bearing bad news here: it looks the Tories are on course for a huge majority in the UK Parliamentary elections: even though no official numbers have been released yet, the exit polling seems to be fairly consistent that Labour has lost about 70 seats, and those apparently moving mainly/entirely to the Conservatives (Other parties seeming going nowhere).

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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:22:27pm

re: #254 Jay C

That is absolutely amazing, and distressing!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:23:29pm

re: #254 Jay C

And (hating it every nanosecond), bearing bad news here: it looks the Tories are on course for a huge majority in the UK Parliamentary elections: even though no official numbers have been released yet, the exit polling seems to be fairly consistent that Labour has lost about 70 seats, and those apparently moving mainly/entirely to the Conservatives (Other parties seeming going nowhere).

Why was Labour stuck with Corbyn as leader? His unpopularity seems to be a big part of this, not to mention trying to come down on both sides of Brexit at the same time.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:23:52pm

I don’t understand British party politics. How does a disaster like Corbyn stay in leadership?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:24:11pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

Why was Labour stuck with Corbyn as leader? His unpopularity seems to be a big part of this, not to mention trying to come down on both sides of Brexit at the same time.

You just beat me to it.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:27:04pm

re: #257 Barefoot Grin

I don’t understand British party politics. How does a disaster like Corbyn stay in leadership?

Senator McConnell can explain it, but not for free.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:28:27pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:29:26pm

re: #257 Barefoot Grin

I don’t understand British party politics. How does a disaster like Corbyn stay in leadership?

He stays in power in a fashion that Bernie absolutely dreams of: He provides a huge party dues discount to college students, while the very working folks that the party claims to stand for have to pay full freight. The situation created is one where Corbyn has a solid core of supporters, while anybody who might challenge him has to hope enough people bothered to pay dues this year to vote for them in a leadership challenge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:32:55pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:36:21pm
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stpaulbear  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:36:42pm

re: #254 Jay C

And (hating it every nanosecond), bearing bad news here: it looks the Tories are on course for a huge majority in the UK Parliamentary elections: even though no official numbers have been released yet, the exit polling seems to be fairly consistent that Labour has lost about 70 seats, and those apparently moving mainly/entirely to the Conservatives (Other parties seeming going nowhere).

How are the returns going in Scotland?

How long until they secede and rejoin the EU?

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Jay C  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:39:50pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #257 Barefoot Grin

re: #258 Barefoot Grin

No expert on British politics (and will gratefully accept clarification), but the general take seems to be that Labour had no choice: that Jeremy Corbyn rose his Leadership position in the time-honored leftist manner (by slowly infiltrating loyalist cadres into positions of power in the Party) - and that the loyalists were going to stick with him and his positions come hell or high water. Both of which they got: as while Corbyn’s political stance (basically, as I’ve always seen it, a bold and vigorous return to 1976) was a big winner on the Left, it seems to have left the rest of the electorate unimpressed. I know it’s a facile excuse to blame an electoral defeat solely on bad “leadership” - but in this case, there’s not much else to go on: the Tories had (at least by most opinion polls) damaged their public approval to an astonishing degree by botching the whole Brexit mess: but unfortunately (for Britain) - no one else had a real alternative plan. Or the ability to sell it to the voters.

And yes, Jeremy Corbyn has been, for several years, the victim of a media-wide and incessant campaign of negative attention - verging on smear most of the time - which tarnished his public image to a huge degree. But then, neither he nor Labour seem to have done a great deal to counter the negativity: and in the end, it seems to have been the deciding stake-though-the-heart.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:40:03pm
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VegasGolfer  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:40:06pm

Trump and his henchmen want a dictatorship .

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:41:22pm

re: #264 stpaulbear

How are the returns going in Scotland?

How long until they secede and rejoin the EU?

I haven’t seen any actual returns yet, just exit polls

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:43:59pm

re: #267 VegasGolfer

Trump and his henchmen want a dictatorship .

[Embedded content]

Yes this do, but I think that this is yet another example of Huck trying and failing to be funny.

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stpaulbear  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:45:26pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

II haven’t seen any actual returns yet, just exit polls

I don’t know anything about Scottish politics, but it looks like the Scottish Nationalist Party is gaining a bunch of seats.

Wiki describes it as a Scottish nationalist, social-democratic political party in Scotland. The SNP supports and campaigns for Scottish independence within the European Union.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:46:46pm
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Jay C  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:49:22pm

re: #270 stpaulbear

I don’t know anything about Scottish politics, but it looks like the Scottish Nationalist Party is gaining a bunch of seats.

Wiki describes it as a Scottish nationalist, social-democratic political party in Scotland. The SNP supports and campaigns for Scottish independence within the European Union.

According to Wikipedia, there are 59 Scottish seats in Parliament, and the exit polls say the SNP is in line to get 55 of them (they currently hold 35). Maybe over-optimistic but they certainly seem to be in line for big gains.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:49:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:51:43pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:54:22pm

Jeremy Corbyn is a complete and utter failure. Not that Boris Johnson isn’t, but…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:55:53pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 12, 2019 • 3:57:22pm

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Isn’t that supposed to be Trump’s 10% kickback?
////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:01:50pm

almost forgot…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:05:44pm

re: #272 Jay C

According to Wikipedia, there are 59 Scottish seats in Parliament, and the exit polls say the SNP is in line to get 55 of them (they currently hold 35). Maybe over-optimistic but they certainly seem to be in line for big gains.

If the exit poll is right (pray it isn’t), the UK will leave the EU, and in a few years Scotland is likely to secede so it can return to the EU. What happened to the youth vote in the UK?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:08:33pm

re: #264 stpaulbear

How are the returns going in Scotland?

How long until they secede and rejoin the EU?

They will probably need a couple of years to schedule another independence vote, is my guess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:09:22pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:15:22pm

I have been blocked by Mussolini

This I assume was the Tweet that done it I assume, back in April.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:15:51pm

Corbyn is rumored to be quitting.

He ought to.

And the pound went up, though I think it is a fool’s run.

When Boris crashes the UK out of the EU and the realities of Brexit set in, hard will be the times for those Brits whose livelihood depends upon trade.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:17:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:18:50pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:20:57pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Watching the news today I’ve learned something about myself. I really don’t enjoy watching the world burn, but I can’t stop it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:21:40pm

heh

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Disloyal Archangel  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:23:01pm

re: #279 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If the exit poll is right (pray it isn’t), the UK will leave the EU, and in a few years Scotland is likely to secede so it can return to the EU. What happened to the youth vote in the UK?

Pure speculation at this point, but my guess is that they’re behind most of the votes the Labour did receive.

Really hoping the exit polls are way way off…

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Alephnaught  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:24:06pm

re: #264 stpaulbear

How are the returns going in Scotland?

How long until they secede and rejoin the EU?

(Of course, this is a BBC political pundit’s perspective. If the actual vote for the SNP really is at the 50% level on a Westminster election, then, democratically speaking, it’s Scotland that can “insist” for a second Independence referendum, as that was in the SNP manifesto for this election.)

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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:25:57pm

Dear heaven, more stupid amendments. I give up, and am deleting the SOBs.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:27:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:29:04pm
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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:29:06pm

So I’ve landed and I’m in a hotel room with the hearing in front of me (muted, Collins has rapid sounds issuing from his mouth). It’s better with audio only, which I’ve been doing up to now. Also, since Gohmert and Johnson sit next to each other, you sometimes see both of them in the same shot, which is unconstitutional (8th amendment).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:32:33pm
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plansbandc  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:32:40pm

re: #271 Dread Pirate

It is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:34:27pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:37:52pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:38:16pm

re: #129 steve_davis

alligator found lunch. not that hard to figure out.

Really.

“It was right there… What was I supposed to do, leave it?”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:39:18pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:40:12pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Alabama has had a fairly liberal stance on felons’ rights restoration since one of our Dem droogs won a 10-year court battle. Almost nobody is excluded except some very serious bad guys. OTOH, they have done little to publicize the restoration, leaving up to us to find our voters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:40:12pm

re: #298 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Really.

“It was right there… What was I supposed to do, leave it?”

Is no one concerned for the gator???

;)

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:40:28pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

Does he always do that with his hands?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:41:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:44:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:49:14pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:50:40pm

re: #305 Charles Johnson

Oh, Christ on a cracker. The stupid is finally burning.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:52:20pm

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Love Mythbusters, but they definitely screwed the pooch in one or two questions where I had the receipts. Probably fell into the realm of the Perfectly Spherical Cow.

en.wikipedia.org

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:53:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:54:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:57:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:58:10pm
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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:58:11pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is that something that can be slowed down by use of the courts?

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:58:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 4:58:52pm

re: #312 retired cynic

Is that something that can be slowed down by use of the courts?

don’t know

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:01:30pm

The conservative guy I talk to at work said that the one thing that could unite the right and left would be Trump attempting to run for a third term after I told him about Huckabee.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:03:53pm

re: #315 Belafon

The conservative guy I talk to at work said that the one thing that could unite the right and left would be Trump attempting to run for a third term after I told him about Huckabee.

I’m not willing to wait an extra four years just to find out.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:05:51pm

re: #316 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I’m not willing to wait an extra four years just to find out.

If we don’t stop him in 10 months, it won’t make much difference in 2024.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:06:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:08:13pm

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Exactly

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:09:51pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:10:02pm

This is a gleaning from Reddit. It reveals the entry of a Bannon-gamergate rabbit hole which can swallow someone entire:

Are nazis actually bad?

reddit.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:11:50pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:14:55pm

SubTweet…..

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:15:47pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:16:49pm

Getting increasingly incensed at today’s parade of cynical, lying shitbirds (R, Gerrymanderville)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:17:03pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:18:57pm

Current dumbass excited about tariffs.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:20:28pm

re: #327 jaunte

Current dumbass excited about tariffs.

Tariffs seem to be the reactionaries’ default choice to talk about when they don’t want to talk about the real reason.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:22:23pm

Now we have a bullshit anecdote about a friend switching over to vote for Trump because of “over-reaching” Democrats.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:22:43pm

Fucking liars.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:23:49pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 5:24:59pm

Ken Buck: “You don’t get to hide facts in the basement anymore!”

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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:10:53am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

EARBALLS!

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:53:43am

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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I’m heading into Pittsburgh later this afternoon, I’ll ask around.


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