The Bob Cesca Podcast: Bacon and Lollipops Forever

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by Atlanta Divorce Law Group:

Bacon And Lollipops Forever — NSFW! It’s another Weird Thursday with Jody Hamilton and TRex David Ferguson; ‘Miracle Christmas TRex’; Whiny homophobic judge confirmed by the Senate; The Trump Foundation vs Pocahontas; The UK is voting today; Trump and Toilet Flushing; Trump’s rally in Hershey, PA; Senate GOP wants a short impeachment trial; The IG report and the deep state coup; Matt Gaetz and substance abuse; With music by The Bitter Elegance and Twisted Mojo; and more!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 12, 2019 • 6:59:36pm

If it’s Bacon and Lollipops Forever, they would have to be sugar-free for me!

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:04:40pm

Click to see the entire picture.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:04:49pm
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Sherlock Hound  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:07:49pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon 🌹

If it’s Bacon and Lollipops Forever, they would have to be sugar-free for me!

The Tories pounded their propaganda about the Glorious Days of the Blitz.
Englanders now have their goddamned Blitz, just that the bombers overhead are their own. But the Blitz! Britannia Forever!

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:08:45pm

Yes!

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:10:10pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:11:19pm

re: #5 The Pie Overlord!

Yes!

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Junkies invest heavily in Triple-A systems.
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Jay C  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:17:33pm

BTW, from across the pond: cold comfort, but with about 38% of constituencies reporting, the “exit polling” has reduced the forecast Tory majority a tad: though not enough, IMO, to make really much of a difference. They’re still looking for the SNP to basically sweep the Scottish seats, though.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:18:52pm

re: #8 Jay C

BTW, from across the pond: cold comfort, but with about 38% of constituencies reporting, the “exit polling” has reduced the forecast Tory majority a tad: though not enough, IMO, to make really much of a difference. They’re still looking for the SNP to basically sweep the Scottish seats, though.

Out of reach of a Labour/Others coalition?

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:22:11pm
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Citizen K  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:27:17pm

re: #10 Patricia Kayden

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Reminder: no matter what they do, Dems are in the wrong and everyone hates them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:29:04pm

re: #10 Patricia Kayden

Andrew Sullivan
@sullydish
One lesson from the UK: if the Democrats don’t stop their hard-left slide, they’ll suffer the same fate as Labour. If they don’t move off their support for mass immigration, they’re toast. Ditto the wokeness. Left Twitter is not reality.

The real lesson from the UK: Don’t have Corbyn leading your party.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:30:37pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:33:32pm

re: #11 Citizen K

Reminder: no matter what they do, Dems are in the wrong and everyone hates them.

Yeah, but since they’re a good majority, they have to hate themselves to make that work. And they do.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:34:58pm

re: #6 jaunte

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Joyce Alene
✔
@JoyceWhiteVance
And, @benjaminwittes points out McConnell’s commitment to align with Trump also violates the special oath Senators take for impeachment trials.

…

The Republicans have, in unison, abandoned their regular oath of office — you know, the one that says: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

So why does anyone expect them to pay any attention to this special oath? They are rotten to the core — every single one.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:35:18pm
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Jay C  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:36:53pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Out of reach of a Labour/Others coalition?

Yes, unfortunately: still forecasting a majority: just not quite as vast as the initial polling suggested.

And while we’re on the subject: can anyone give me (or point me to) a brief recap of why Labour seems to have got itself saddled with this “antisemitism” rep? It keeps popping up in most of the (usually-all-too-facile) analyses: The NYT did one of its Cletus-safari thumbsuckers in last weekend’s mag about Britain: and one of the interviewees was a well-regarded woman rabbi (obviously Reform!) who swore she’d never vote Labour again, and made it sound as if Nuremberg Laws (if not outright pogroms) were a fundamental part of the Labour “manifesto”. Is it just the usual Israel/Palestine stuff, or was there some other triggering issue??

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:40:55pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:43:12pm
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:45:31pm

re: #19 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Can’t help but think that those pardons Bevin handed out were a final “fuck you” as he left the building.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:46:49pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:49:37pm

re: #21 Patricia Kayden

Tony Schwartz
✔
@tonyschwartz
To all parents: do you want your children to view Donald Trump as a role model? If so, are you fine with lying, cheating, hating and sexually abusing women?

1,373
9:31 PM - Dec 12, 2019

And bullying those who disagree with him and mocking the disabled.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:53:24pm

re: #17 Jay C

Yes, unfortunately: still forecasting a majority: just not quite as vast as the initial polling suggested.

And while we’re on the subject: can anyone give me (or point me to) a brief recap of why Labour seems to have got itself saddled with this “antisemitism” rep? It keeps popping up in most of the (usually-all-too-facile) analyses: The NYT did one of its Cletus-safari thumbsuckers in last weekend’s mag about Britain: and one of the interviewees was a well-regarded woman rabbi (obviously Reform!) who swore she’d never vote Labour again, and made it sound as if Nuremberg Laws (if not outright pogroms) were a fundamental part of the Labour “manifesto”. Is it just the usual Israel/Palestine stuff, or was there some other triggering issue??

Watch this BBC investigative report on anti-Semitism in the U.K. Labour Party

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:55:06pm

re: #20 Dr Lizardo

Can’t help but think that those pardons Bevin handed out were a final “fuck you” as he left the building.

They honestly look more like straight up cash bribes. At least when Trump pardons criminals the con is somewhat more strategic, in that he wants to feed tough git-r-dun authoritarian red meat to his base.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 12, 2019 • 7:55:35pm

re: #17 Jay C

Yes, unfortunately: still forecasting a majority: just not quite as vast as the initial polling suggested.

And while we’re on the subject: can anyone give me (or point me to) a brief recap of why Labour seems to have got itself saddled with this “antisemitism” rep? It keeps popping up in most of the (usually-all-too-facile) analyses: The NYT did one of its Cletus-safari thumbsuckers in last weekend’s mag about Britain: and one of the interviewees was a well-regarded woman rabbi (obviously Reform!) who swore she’d never vote Labour again, and made it sound as if Nuremberg Laws (if not outright pogroms) were a fundamental part of the Labour “manifesto”. Is it just the usual Israel/Palestine stuff, or was there some other triggering issue??

Here is a thread:

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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:01:44pm

re: #20 Dr Lizardo

Can’t help but think that those pardons Bevin handed out were a final “fuck you” as he left the building.

Once granted,, a pardon has to be pretty much sacrosanct. OTOH there is nothing wrong with investigating and prosecuting a mofo who sells one.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:05:28pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Once granted,, a pardon has to be pretty much sacrosanct. OTOH there is nothing wrong with investigating and prosecuting a mofo who sells one.

Certainly, nothing wrong with looking into Bevin himself - if he was basically selling pardons, that needs to be known.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:08:37pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:09:02pm

Not everyone might get this

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:09:04pm

Hakeem Jeffries on McConnell’s comments about his plans to coordinate with Trump lawyers: “In other words, the jury -Senate Republicans - are going to coordinate with the defendant - Donald Trump - on how exactly the kangaroo court is going to be run.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:12:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:12:46pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:16:51pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:20:32pm
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Chrysicat  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:22:07pm
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Camp Waconda  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:22:27pm

Collins has a grumpy

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:24:43pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:24:44pm

Holy Cthulhu! The CRAPers are still at it!

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:25:51pm
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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:26:23pm

Well, that was unexpected. Do you suppose Nadler was pissed at a 13-hour session and all those stupid amendments?

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:27:13pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:31:14pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:33:11pm

Collins AMBUSHED by having to work Friday at 10:00 am!!!!

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:33:46pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:36:52pm

Nadler says it’s time to burp the babies and change the diapers!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:43:32pm

For our British friends of short memory:

What have I now, said the fine old woman
What have I now, this proud old woman did say
I have four green fields, one of them’s in bondage
In stranger’s hands, that tried to take it from me
But my sons had sons, as brave as were their fathers
My fourth green field will bloom once again said she.

Four Green Fields - The Dubliners & Jim McCann (Festival Folk - 1985)

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:49:50pm

re: #45 Joe Bacon 🌹
Punctuation to this night:

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:51:26pm

re: #49 Sherlock Hound

Punctuation to this night:

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Bit late for that.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:54:07pm

re: #49 Sherlock Hound

Punctuation to this night:

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Too little too late. Be like if Bernie succeeds in getting Trump re-elected and then resigns.

< spit >

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:54:44pm
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Jay C  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:58:03pm

re: #25 The Pie Overlord!

Thanks. Very helpful.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2019 • 8:58:37pm

re: #49 Sherlock Hound

About fucking time. Corbyn has led Labour to disaster, and not just this time - he’s done it before.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 12, 2019 • 9:02:50pm

re: #51 William Lewis

Too little too late. Be like if Bernie succeeds in getting Trump re-elected and then resigns.

< spit >

Absolutely. I think he wanted to stay, but got FIERCE pushback. If I were a Brit, I would have held my nose, voted Labor, and would have lost it in COMPLETE rage!

I hate them both! I can’t repeat my words for Bernie and Jeremy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2019 • 9:06:48pm

re: #51 William Lewis

Too little too late. Be like if Bernie succeeds in getting Trump re-elected and then resigns.

< spit >

Yes — that’s exactly what Bernie will do — and the BernieBros don’t see that at all.

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sagehen  Dec 12, 2019 • 9:07:30pm

re: #17 Jay C

And while we’re on the subject: can anyone give me (or point me to) a brief recap of why Labour seems to have got itself saddled with this “antisemitism” rep?

Not at all brief, but here you go:

medium.com

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Disloyal Archangel  Dec 12, 2019 • 9:15:07pm

Well… sh*t….

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2019 • 9:19:35pm

Thread: a dozen GOP defenses and why they’re bullshit:

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2019 • 9:26:04pm

re: #58 Disloyal Archangel

For better or worse, the Tories now own Brexit 100%. If Brexit goes badly, I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes come 2024 for all the whiskey in Ireland.

Off to work - back later.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2019 • 9:35:05pm

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

For better or worse, the Tories now own Brexit 100%. If Brexit goes badly, I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes come 2024 for all the whiskey in Ireland.

Off to work - back later.

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - RIP

1 May 1707 - 12 Dec 2019

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 12, 2019 • 9:41:26pm

re: #61 William Lewis

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - RIP

1 May 1707 - 12 Dec 2019

…an United Ireland…Parnell dances in his grave…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:03:11pm

Send in the KKKlowns!

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:04:36pm

I have to give major kudos to my company

Click to Reveal

L3 Harris

A government contractor, for what happened today, even if they were a bit ham fisted on the process, with it being their first.

Last week a bunch of us were told there would be a mandatory meeting, but we weren’t given a reason. Having just gotten through a couple of all-hands meetings where we were told to work harder and some would have to work during the usual Christmas to New Year’s shutdown, we weren’t really in the mood for a meeting we weren’t being told what was going on.

A slight setup: this company has a lot of people in the around retirement age group. And, as I’ve said before, most of the employees on my end tend to be conservative, though I don’t think it applies as much to the younger ones.

So, we get called into the meeting, and it starts out as general ethics training, with a focus on how we treat others. And then we get to the purpose. One of the employees, someone who sits across from me, is transitioning from a man to a woman. And the meeting was about how we are expected to act. And it had these bullet points:

1. This is a new thing for people at the company to deal with, but as far as the company is concerned, our interactions with her should be the same as before, since her gender identity didn’t matter before.
2. The proper pronoun is “her”.
3. She has not chosen to change her name at this time.
4. Here’s the biggie: She will be allowed to use the women’s restrooms effective immediately.
5. The law allows this.
6. If you have a problem, you can go to employee services to talk about your feelings. You can gripe at home, but it doesn’t come to work.

The HR lady leading this was a bit rough in her presentation, in a “you better not try anything” type of voice which I didn’t think was necessary, even though she said no one was in trouble. But, overall, I am happy at what the company has done.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:06:36pm
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:07:48pm

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

It may be a large minority, but it’s not a majority here.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:10:37pm

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

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Somebody tell that Tory Twit to STFU!

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:15:16pm
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:20:04pm

re: #68 Ace-o-aces

It’s not going to help Putin’s precarious hold on Russia.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:45:49pm

re: #69 Belafon

It’s not going to help Putin’s precarious hold on Russia.

I’m confused. Wasn’t Brexit pushed by Putin? Doesn’t he want the Western alliance to collapse into chaos?

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Citizen K  Dec 12, 2019 • 10:47:16pm

re: #70 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m confused. Wasn’t Brexit pushed by Putin? Doesn’t he want the Western alliance to collapse into chaos?

Pretty sure both Ace’s tweet and Belafon’s reply were both firmly and bitterly tongue-in-cheek

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:05:38pm

re: #49 Sherlock Hound

Punctuation to this night:

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Ah, the time-honored tradition of slamming your party into a iceberg and then jumping into the nearest lifeboat as you toss the captain’s hat over your shoulder.

The man has achieved infamy in UK politics, but not for any of the reasons he had hoped.

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Citizen K  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:36:34pm

I don’t envy Canada right now for having to bear the burden of being the only sane major Anlgosphere country left at this point.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:43:09pm

re: #73 Citizen K

I don’t envy Canada right now for having to bear the burden of being the only sane major Anlgosphere country left at this point.

We’re used to it. The US showed up years late to both world wars. Canada has always stepped up first in this world.

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Citizen K  Dec 12, 2019 • 11:48:42pm

re: #74 Dread Pirate

We’re used to it. The US showed up ayears late to both world wars. Canada has always stepped up first in this world.

I mean, at least the UK had periods of lucidity in the interim too?

It just seems like right now, it’s the only country that’s avoided the full on right-wing brain fever swoon, and the inevitable destruction of its foundations as a part of it. Almost like they learned from their period with Harper. Not us though. We learn the exact wrong lessons and embrace the batshit insane, all with the help of media and lefter-than-thous who all agree that however shitty the GOP is, it all must actually be the Dems fault and they must burn in hell before anything truly gets fixed.

I’m constantly surrounded either by full bore Trumpites or folks who are either full Bern-or-Bust or are a step away from just, enough that they want to blame everything and all on the DNC forever and anon. There’s so precious in-between from anyone I interact with on a regular basis that I’ve just plain flat out lost all hope of coming out of 2020 alive.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 13, 2019 • 12:35:13am

re: #71 Citizen K

Pretty sure both Ace’s tweet and Belafon’s reply were both firmly and bitterly tongue-in-cheek

I’m at least half-serious.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 13, 2019 • 2:58:11am

re: #75 Citizen K

I worry about Canada, too. The Wexiteers with their “MAKE ALBERTA GREAT AGAIN” hats are just nuts. There are more hard-right groups (and outright Nazis) in Quebec than ever before. There are Canadian 3%’ers. Canadian Threepers. I don’t even have words in English or French to describe this.

Even apart from that, Canada is no less f—ked up, um, “flawed”, than we are. Stephen Harper loved his favorite dogwhistle, “Old Stock Canadians”, a description that should have applied to the First Nations, except they were too busy being genocided and disappeared

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2019 • 2:59:35am

re: #27 Dr Lizardo

Certainly, nothing wrong with looking into Bevin himself - if he was basically selling pardons, that needs to be known.

The courts in the US have all but legalized bribery, so don’t expect anything to come of any investigation that’s conducted.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 13, 2019 • 3:04:07am

At last, the Wendigo movie we’ve all been waiting for!

Antlers Official Red Band Trailer (2020) Guillermo del Toro

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2019 • 3:08:27am

re: #61 William Lewis

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - RIP

1 May 1707 - 12 Dec 2019

Interestingly, Northern Ireland will be in a political union with the UK but an economic union with the Republic. They might like it that way, I don’t know.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 13, 2019 • 4:01:29am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 13, 2019 • 4:06:43am

Liberace Laura

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2019 • 4:08:35am
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 13, 2019 • 4:12:30am

Yep. Voting is our only weapon.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 4:41:04am

cillizza on cnn

re greta and trump (yup she gets first name / first billing)
yeah it’s buried among impeachment, brexit, NJ, etc.
and he’s not wrong on this

What’s truly troubling — and what makes me genuinely mad — about all of this is that we won’t hear condemnation from supporters of Trump (in elected office and out) for this absolutely appalling behavior.

Why? Because, at this moment in American political history, the party you identify with trumps — ahem — everything else including common decency.

Because common decency would dictate that, as a society, we don’t condone an adult bullying a 16-year-old girl online. Because we know it’s wrong. Because we know if we had a daughter, we wouldn’t want her to be bullied by an adult. Much less an adult man. Much less one who is the President of the United States.

That is not a partisan position. It is a moral one. It is a common sense one. Don’t believe me? Listen to first lady Melania Trump:

“In today’s global society, social media is an inevitable part of our children’s daily lives. It can be used in many positive ways, but can also be destructive and harmful when used incorrectly. This is why ‘Be Best’ chooses to focus on the importance of teaching our next generation how to conduct themselves safely and in a positive manner in an online setting.”

my enhancements

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2019 • 4:42:56am

A federal judge has ruled that its unconstitutional to deny birthright citizenship to American Samoans. The reason we do is, of course, racism.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 4:45:28am

jeffrey toobin:

“The idea that we are sitting here debating the country, the country, the House Judiciary Committee is debating the impeachment of the president of the United States, and over and over again we get how all these questions about the behavior of Hunter Biden, the president’s perhaps most likely opponent, the son of [Joe Biden] and I just don’t know what our responsibility is as journalists because it’s not the point, but this is the news. And this is what’s there,” Toobin said.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:02:02am

Sigh, my Bosch dishwarsher decided to spring a leak. Luckily it has a sensor to halt functions so as to not flood your house. I’m averaging two year life expectancies on my dishwarshers. Sonofabiscuit. I’m stocking up on paper plates.

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Chrysicat  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:17:56am

re: #63 Joe Bacon 🌹

Send in the KKKlowns!

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I’m disappointed the artist didn’t include Ken Buck, who’s quickly seeing his star soar in the R firmament.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:31:31am

re: #88 Shropshire Slasher

We just replaced our Bosch dishwasher too. Water kept backing up into it when it wasn’t being used and flooded the kitchen several times. My husband picked an over engineered LG which I hate. All the cycles except one take between 2.5 and 3 hours to go through and there’s a stupid third rack for silverware on top which requires you to place each piece sideways. This is assuming I wash a hundred or more pieces of flatware each cycle. Over engineered crap that no one needs. I’m not a fan.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:31:37am

Charles Blow makes the obvious point for the inovbious reason

Impeachment in the House is the victory

the senate conclusion was always foregone:

I have to constantly remind people that impeachment in the House is the victory. The Senate is a lost cause and has been on this issue since Trump rose to office.

the real point has always been this (regardless of the senate R majority):

The Senate has considered articles of impeachment against two other presidents and refused to convict and remove both times. This time is not likely to be any different. In that sense, impeachment by the House is the strongest rebuke America has ever been willing to give a president.

so

… if the House impeaches Trump, and it most likely will, we can all stand tall in the truth that the right thing was done there, that the Constitution was defended there, that justice was not completely embarrassed there.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:33:44am

re: #91 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

So would that also mean Trump cannot run for public office again? I keep seeing that but am not any sort of legal expert so I don’t know.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:35:19am

I’ll say it again. You impeach him to set a precedent for future Presidents who will think it’s okay to do what he did. As said, if this isn’t impeachable behavior, nothing is. And he will do something impeach worthy again.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:37:03am

re: #92 A Mom Anon

So would that also mean Trump cannot run for public office again? I keep seeing that but am not any sort of legal expert so I don’t know.

He could run again after being impeached. Andrew Johnson actually became a Senator after being impeached.

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Chrysicat  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:37:25am

re: #91 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Charles Blow makes the obvious point for the inovbious reason

Impeachment in the House is the victory

the senate conclusion was always foregone:

the real point has always been this (regardless of the senate R majority):

so

Well, it’ll be slightly different. Apparently the new belief is that McTurtle isn’t going to allow a single piece of evidence to be presented in the Senate and may even forbid statements—just a summary vote as soon as the articles are presented, to acquit.
The fiction will be that the House inquiry was presentation of evidence.

(Why yes, the Department of Injustice lawyers were the ones who originally floated this; why do you ask?)

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:42:15am

I still think they should vote to impeach, and then announce that investigations into Trump’s innumerable crimes will continue.

It would bring more misconduct to public attention, with the side benefit of driving all these Republican assholes to distraction.

Let them collude with McConnell at the White House all they want. Won’t do them any good at all if they don’t have a trial to run.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:48:33am

re: #92 A Mom Anon

So would that also mean Trump cannot run for public office again? I keep seeing that but am not any sort of legal expert so I don’t know.

since he’s not gonna be convicted then he can and will run for reelection

as i understand it (also not a lawyer or expert) if the senate votes to convict (ie remove from office - and that’s never happened), then there’s a second vote to bar holding future office again.

so we wont get there

that’s why impeachment is the victory - the permanent scarlet letter

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:50:02am

re: #95 Chrysicat

Well, it’ll be slightly different. Apparently the new belief is that McTurtle isn’t going to allow a single piece of evidence to be presented in the Senate and may even forbid statements—just a summary vote as soon as the articles are presented, to acquit.
The fiction will be that the House inquiry was presentation of evidence.

(Why yes, the Department of Injustice lawyers were the ones who originally floated this; why do you ask?)

i wonder how roberts will feel about presiding over that

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:50:05am

re: #97 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

since he’s not gonna be convicted then he can and will run for reelection

as i understand it (also not a lawyer or expert) if the senate votes to convict (ie remove from office - and that’s never happened), then there’s a second vote to bar holding future office again.

so we wont get there

that’s why impeachment is the victory - the permanent scarlet letter

He’s obsessed with how he’s viewed. He knows impeachment isn’t a good thing. I expect impeachment to cause him to make even more reactions that reveal his unfitness to be Potus.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:51:33am

re: #96 makeitstop

I still think they should vote to impeach, and then announce that investigations into Trump’s innumerable crimes will continue.

It would bring more misconduct to public attention, wide the side benefit of driving all these Republican assholes to distraction.

Let them collude with McConnell at the White House all they want. Won’t do them any good at all if they don’t have a trial to run.

this this this this this

there’s been some talk that this is in fact a feint by the house - the committee will vote but the whole house will not

i would be more than happy if it were

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:57:02am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:58:28am

re: #101 jaunte

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OFFS. Clinton was impeached less than a week before Christmas. The college kids here including my brother aren’t even back yet.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:59:00am

re: #102 HappyWarrior

It’s as if they’re engaged in a coordinated propaganda campaign.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 5:59:55am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

He’s obsessed with how he’s viewed. He knows impeachment isn’t a good thing. I expect impeachment to cause him to make even more reactions that reveal his unfitness to be Potus.

exactly

- the committee and later whole house votes will be ‘partisan’
- the dems will have testimony, dox, and witnesses to point to.
- the R’s will have bloviated arguments they made on the president’s behalf supported by….nothing, because the president barred any participation

if they really were smart - both the white house AND the house R’s, they would have tried everything to avoid the impeachment. present actual evidence to make it harder for the house to approve the articles. negotiate quietly for censure or something….

since you can’t un-ring the impeachment bell, the R’s strategy should have been to work to prevent it

somewhat similar to running a professional business and the malpractice threat.
the goal is not to be ‘right’, or even prevail at trial.
the real winners avoid the lawsuit in the first place

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:00:05am

*Make it up as they go* = Try to keep track of ongoing crimes

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:00:12am

re: #103 jaunte

It’s as if they’re engaged in a coordinated propaganda campaign.

Yeah Newt was saying the same shit I saw. Propaganda

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:02:48am

re: #102 HappyWarrior

OFFS. Clinton was impeached less than a week before Christmas. The college kids here including my brother aren’t even back yet.

they just keep throwing stuff. most of it is clutching at straws

Donald Trump and the media: An unstoppable DDoS attack

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:06:23am

re: #101 jaunte

were they gonna vote at midnight and grab 2AM flights?

or are they ‘concerned’ when the whole house will take up the vote? and this delays it by, gasp, a day
which as was just said there’s an outside chance they might not anyway

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:07:13am

re: #107 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

they just keep throwing stuff. most of it is clutching at straws

Donald Trump and the media: An unstoppable DDoS attack

I do wonder how well it’s working. I don’t think it is for them because I think while Trump’s base has rallied behind him, I think people in the Burns will be eager to vote him out and I think that Biden may be realizing if he wins it will be more enthusiasm to remove Trump than get him out. I get why he’s rumored to be talking about only one term to that extent but I understand why people think he shouldn’t commit either way.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:08:04am

Fake outrage is a FNC speciality going back to when that prick Ailes was in charge.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:12:06am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I do wonder how well it’s working. I don’t think it is for them because I think while Trump’s base has rallied behind him, I think people in the Burns will be eager to vote him out and I think that Biden may be realizing if he wins it will be more enthusiasm to remove Trump than get him out. I get why he’s rumored to be talking about only one term to that extent but I understand why people think he shouldn’t commit either way.

the view from 30,000 feet is that this constant ‘deluge’ of crap

- does not move his approval ratings
- doesnt move the 2020 poll numbers
- wont stop him being impeached (see my strategy above)

everyone’s on to it now so other than keeping his base at white hot, what does it accomplish?

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:12:14am

About those ongoing crimes:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:16:35am

re: #112 jaunte

About those ongoing crimes:

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I believe the whole thing is an ongoing crime and goes back to the 2016 election.

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jeffreyw  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:16:37am

Deer, Doubled

Good morning!

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A Mom Anon  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:17:09am

re: #112 jaunte

Almost nothing would make me happier than to see Giuliani spend the next couple of decades in prison and all his assets liquidated. 8 houses and 11 country club memberships with a total expenditure of almost a quarter million dollars a month. Who’s paying for that?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:19:51am

re: #115 A Mom Anon

Almost nothing would make me happier than to see Giuliani spend the next couple of decades in prison and all his assets liquidated. 8 houses and 11 country club memberships with a total expenditure of almost a quarter million dollars a month. Who’s paying for that?

A good question.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:21:43am
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Belafon  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:30:21am

re: #111 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

the view from 30,000 feet is that this constant ‘deluge’ of crap

- does not move his approval ratings
- doesnt move the 2020 poll numbers
- wont stop him being impeached (see my strategy above)

everyone’s on to it now so other than keeping his base at white hot, what does it accomplish?

It makes them and Trump feel like they are resisting, and it keeps the base from finding out what’s going on. What do you think Fox shows in the evenings? Reasoned debate?

Fuck Fox.

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:33:25am

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

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Always reminds me of this quote:

I was reading a book (about interjections, oddly enough) yesterday which included the phrase “In these days of political correctness…” talking about no longer making jokes that denigrated people for their culture or for the colour of their skin. And I thought, “That’s not actually anything to do with ‘political correctness’. That’s just treating other people with respect.”

Which made me oddly happy. I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase “politically correct” wherever we could with “treating other people with respect”, and it made me smile.

You should try it. It’s peculiarly enlightening.

I know what you’re thinking now. You’re thinking “Oh my god, that’s treating other people with respect gone mad!”

Happy Valentine’s Day.

—Neil Gaiman

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:35:25am

re: #29 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Not sure what that’s on about, but it’s probably the first time in years that Trump moved on an underage girl without Epstein present.

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:36:13am

re: #108 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

were they gonna vote at midnight and grab 2AM flights?

or are they ‘concerned’ when the whole house will take up the vote? and this delays it by, gasp, a day
which as was just said there’s an outside chance they might not anyway

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Someone on Twitter said they were trying to get the talking point of ‘voting for impeachment in the middle of the night’ - same talking point they used when ACA was passed.

Nadler took it away from them. Good.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:36:17am

The Trump Administration is a den of thieves.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:37:12am

re: #108 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

The same GOPers who’d bitch and moan that the vote was taken overnight when no one in the public was awake, are now bitching that the Democrats postponed the vote until the nation was awake (at least on the East Coast).

The GOP fainting couches are on full display.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:37:46am

Republicans back with their propaganda posters to ensure a full clown show effect.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:45:16am

re: #87 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

jeffrey toobin:

What a dishonest hack.

Be a real journalist and simply denounce it as what it is - an attempt to smokescreen and distract from the real issue at hand by the GOP members of the committee.

If you really want to investigate and talk about Hunter Biden make it a totally separate thing distanced from impeachment and Trump. By letting the GOP force a connection there and make it use up time he just plays into their hands and goes along with their version of the narrative.

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Ming5000  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:46:58am

re: #88 Shropshire Slasher

We have a Bosch. I am not sure what the source of your leak was. We had the door seal go bad on the side because the tray would slide against it and abraded it. Changing the seal was an easy fix.
Another leak we had was due to the water inlet valve failing. The valve stops the incoming water from coming into the dishwasher, except when it is intended to. As the valve weakens it will start to allow a little water to seep in. Over time more will come in and it will look like the dishwasher is not draining. Eventually the valve could be so weak that the bottom of the dishwasher will overflow. The valve exchange is a fairly easy repair as well.

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:47:07am

One party wanted to crawl under a rock. One party wants to operate in the sun.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:53:48am

Good morning from NoHo. Aka North Hollywood before they turned into a far nicer place to live. I point this out because how this actually happened defies Trumpian economics social misanthropy. As an example of why they hate us-
It got The Red Line, our first post automobile era subway. Taxpayer paid. It got rezoned to favor mass transportation. That means really large condo/apt buildings, with all kinds of people in there, some on public assistance, some very well off from very well budgeted movie/music/video productions. People from all over, that look like they are from all over. From under a MAGA hat red brim, the eyes see everything they think is wrong with America.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:57:28am

re: #115 A Mom Anon

Almost nothing would make me happier than to see Giuliani spend the next couple of decades in prison and all his assets liquidated. 8 houses and 11 country club memberships with a total expenditure of almost a quarter million dollars a month. Who’s paying for that?

Apparently the Russians laundered through Parnas

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:58:07am

Making fun of Sullivan:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:58:26am

re: #128 Rightwingconspirator

Good morning from NoHo. Aka North Hollywood before they turned into a far nicer place to live. I point this out because how this actually happened defies Trumpian economics social misanthropy. As an example of why they hate us-
It got The Red Line, our first post automobile era subway. Taxpayer paid. It got rezoned to favor mass transportation. That means really large condo/apt buildings, with all kinds of people in there, some on public assistance, some very well off from very well budgeted movie/music/video productions. People from all over, that look like they are from all over. From under a MAGA hat red brim, the eyes see everything they think is wrong with America.

Meanwhile in Koreatown Garcetti lets gentrification run wild tearing down old housing and replacing it with luxury apartments and condos excluded from rent stabilization.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:59:13am

re: #80 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Interestingly, Northern Ireland will be in a political union with the UK but an economic union with the Republic. They might like it that way, I don’t know.

How would that work? There is free movement of people among the EU. If NI remains in the EU, would that mean NI residents would need a passport to travel to the UK?

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2019 • 6:59:22am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:00:03am

re: #121 makeitstop

Someone on Twitter said they were trying to get the talking point of ‘voting for impeachment in the middle of the night’ - same talking point they used when ACA was passed.

Nadler took it away from them. Good.

Oh I knew that. Everyone did.
I was going for the “it screws up our Xmas” angle

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:00:52am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:02:26am

re: #125 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

What a dishonest hack.

Be a real journalist and simply denounce it as what it is - an attempt to smokescreen and distract from the real issue at hand by the GOP members of the committee.

If you really want to investigate and talk about Hunter Biden make it a totally separate thing distanced from impeachment and Trump. By letting the GOP force a connection there and make it use up time he just plays into their hands and goes along with their version of the narrative.

Scandal sells
Policy, not so much

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:10:01am
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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:10:33am

It now goes to the House next week for a full House vote.

Trump’s impeachment is all but assured.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:11:48am

re: #138 lawhawk

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It now goes to the House next week for a full House vote.

Trump’s impeachment is all but assured.

And there was a scream from the White House that none in the capital city had ever heard.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:12:05am

Today matters.

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Curious Lifeform  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:12:36am

re: #132 Hecuba’s daughter

How would that work? There is free movement of people among the EU. If NI remains in the EU, would that mean NI residents would need a passport to travel to the UK?

Good Q and no-one has really answered it yet. The mantra of the Brexiteers was to take back control of the borders - then the EU insisted on exactly that in Ireland and it all collapsed. The successive “deals” from May & then Boris have all been attempts to fudge the fundamental problem that on one side of the border is a free-trade bloc, and on another is a country outside that bloc. The solution is to basically move that border over the Irish sea for tangible “goods” subject to customs, but no-one has addressed the movement of people yet. It will probably be passport-free and the UK will have to institute a system where you have to show your freakin’ UK passport every time you go to school or work or enter a doctor’s office.

Not impressed here right now. :(

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:12:42am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

And there was a scream from the White House that none in the capital city had ever heard.

The question is has anyone in Russia heard it before?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:13:10am

re: #135 Belafon

EricaGrieder
✔
@EricaGrieder
My takeway from #ukelection is that Dems shouldn’t nominate Jeremy Corbyn

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4:38 PM - Dec 12, 2019

In 2016, my fear was that the Brexit vote presaged a Trump victory. Today, a FB FOAF has asserted that Corbyn lost because he supported “International communism as a one world totalitarian government.” My impression was that Corbyn was an old fashioned Marxist — which certainly would be in line with that claim.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:13:41am

re: #142 Belafon

The question is has anyone in Russia heard it before?

I’m sure.

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Jay C  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:14:36am

re: #132 Hecuba’s daughter

How would that work? There is free movement of people among the EU. If NI remains in the EU, would that mean NI residents would need a passport to travel to the UK?

The answer is probably “not very well”. If I understand it correctly (probably not!), the “sea border” plan is going to treat ALL of the island of Ireland as a unit, i.e. leave Northern Ireland part of the UK (as at present), so no passport needed, but fiddle with Customs and tariff regulations, etc. so as (AFAICT, which isn’t very far) to put “controls” on traffic/business between UK/Eire and EU/NI or EU/UK with the “border” in the middle of the Irish Sea to avoid having to have a “hard border” in Ireland itself. Not sure if this is a workable plan, but there it is….

ADD: What CuriousL said at # 141

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:16:01am

Putin’s courier arrives.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:17:53am

“…Martha Roby had a child we assume is hers on her lap, because we guess it was “Bring your kid to work so he can watch Mommy go down in history as the protector of a criminal president” day in the Republican Caucus.

It’s nice to have holiday events for kids, in Congress!”
wonkette.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:18:06am

re: #77 Sherlock Hound

I worry about Canada, too. The Wexiteers with their “MAKE ALBERTA GREAT AGAIN” hats are just nuts. There are more hard-right groups (and outright Nazis) in Quebec than ever before. There are Canadian 3%’ers. Canadian Threepers. I don’t even have words in English or French to describe this.

Even apart from that, Canada is no less f—ked up, um, “flawed”, than we are. Stephen Harper loved his favorite dogwhistle, “Old Stock Canadians”, a description that should have applied to the First Nations, except they were too busy being genocided and disappeared

Alberta has been the conservative hotbed/Canadian Texas for decades. Quebec has also for decades been a lot of talk but not a lot of action on separatism (short version: they’d be fucked if they ever actually did secede). Most of the Canadian population lives in more Liberal areas…and we don’t have a damn Electoral College to worry about.

Also, the main reason Andrew Scheer didn’t win the last election is because he made a lot of stupid, Trump-esque comments that pissed a lot of people off.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:19:12am

Yes, let’s hear from ALL the witnesses.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:19:49am

re: #146 jaunte

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Putin’s courier arrives.

The entire GOP is owned by Russia.

The Barr Dept of InJustice will adopt all Putin’s talking points to persecute American citizens. Show trials starting soon at a federal courthouse near you.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:20:42am

Memefodder.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:21:37am
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Jay C  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:23:51am

BTW, the final count in the British Parliamentary election was pretty grim for non-Tories:
The results HERE

CON 365
LAB 203
SNP 48
LD 11
DUP 8
Others 15

The only surprise here is that the SNP did slightly worse than initial estimates would have suggested. But only slighltly.

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:24:00am

re: #149 jaunte

Yes, let’s hear from ALL the witnesses.

Gohmert is thinking Hunter and Joe Biden, but yeah, let’s put more people up there.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:24:17am

The House impeaching Trump will make a nice early Christmas gift.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:26:46am

re: #154 Belafon

I’d like to hear Hunter Biden explain to a global audience that he got that board position in the same way Jared and Ivanka got their jobs.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:26:54am

re: #149 jaunte

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Yes, let’s hear from ALL the witnesses.

Gohmert is still smoke screening.

The GOP is not going to bring out witnesses that mean anything. Gohmert knows it and this is a temporary passing of the buck to the Senate in order to not make himself look bad.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:27:50am

re: #152 jaunte

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The impeachment clause says nothing about how well you’ve done. It’s there for high crimes and misdemeanors and I’m not surprised an autocratic ass like Trump doesn’t get that.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:28:00am

re: #153 Jay C

BTW, the final count in the British Parliamentary election was pretty grim for non-Tories:
The results HERE

CON 365
LAB 203
SNP 48
LD 11
DUP 8
Others 15

The only surprise here is that the SNP did slightly worse than initial estimates would have suggested. But only slighltly.

Did the SNP get enough that they can/will force another referendum on leaving the UK?

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:28:20am

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:29:07am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:29:18am

The Dems had to impeach because Trump has abused his power, obstructed congress, and defied the Constitution. They also had to impeach precisely because McConnell will disregard all of that in the Senate—if they hadn’t impeached they would go down as moral cowards. Now the world gets to see clearly the immorality of the GOP and the president.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:29:33am

re: #153 Jay C

I’ve seen a lot of MAGAts implying the British results are a good sign Trump will win in a landslide here next year.

:eyeroll:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:30:33am

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve seen a lot of MAGAts implying the British results are a good sign Trump will win in a landslide here next year.

:eyeroll:

Britain isn’t as diverse and the Dems won’t nominate a Corbyn clone.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:31:02am

Also, we better get ready now because I guara-damn-tee you that once the Senate votes to acquit, Trump will gloat and try to claim up and down that he was NOT Impeached…and the media will try to help him sell it. re: #164 HappyWarrior

Britain isn’t as diverse and the Dems won’t nominate a Corbyn clone.

Exactly, but try telling the red hats that.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:31:06am

Faces becrumbed, a gaggle of children deny knowing anything about a cookie jar.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:31:10am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Britain isn’t as diverse and the Dems won’t nominate a Corbyn clone.

>.> (Sanders)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:32:15am

We better be ready, because I guara-damn-tee you once the Senate votes to acquit Trump is going to gloat and bloviate and try to convince everyone that the acquittal means he was NOT ACTUALLY IMPEACHED. And the media may well try to help push that narrative as well.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:33:46am

re: #167 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

>.> (Sanders)

I don’t see Sanders being nominated.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:34:03am

re: #152 jaunte

he, like they, keep focusing on ‘just’ the call and nothing else

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:34:13am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

We better be ready, because I guara-damn-tee you once the Senate votes to acquit Trump is going to gloat and bloviate and try to convince everyone that the acquittal means he was NOT ACTUALLY IMPEACHED. And the media may well try to help push that narrative as well.

That’s true sigh.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:35:14am

RIP

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William Lewis  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:37:00am

Yeah, he really is playing a cello like a guitar.

The Dead South - In Hell I’ll Be In Good Company [Official Music Video]

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:37:16am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

We better be ready, because I guara-damn-tee you once the Senate votes to acquit Trump is going to gloat and bloviate and try to convince everyone that the acquittal means he was NOT ACTUALLY IMPEACHED. And the media may well try to help push that narrative as well.

Quite possibly true. But that failure will be on the media and not the House for actually doing the right thing.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:38:22am

re: #156 jaunte

I’d like to hear Hunter Biden explain to a global audience that he got that board position in the same way Jared and Ivanka got their jobs.

unfortunately, as much as i love this it wont work

biden traded on his family name. everybody does that. and (likely) joe biden didnt have anything directly to do with him getting the job

jared and ivanka were given their jobs by their father

the other unfortunate spin is that biden knowingly chose to work for a (corrupt) foreign company.

while Jared and ivanka are selflessly working to protect and defend the united states blah blah blah (forget they’re making millions off of this gig)

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:40:21am

re: #160 The Pie Overlord!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:40:49am

re: #166 jaunte

Trump has gone through “Three years of hell”??

The orange fuck:

- Lives in a tower penthouse that has a gold toilet
- Sits on on his ass and watches TV and Tweets all day
- Holds regular rallies to worship himself
- Goes golfing almost every chance he gets
- Has been manipulating the government into spending millions at his properties

Yeah, sounds like hell to me. ////

But you know who has been going through hell the last few years?

- The asylum seekers stuck in cages and “standing rooms” at the Southern border
- The Kurds who were completely hung out to dry by the U.S. military and promptly killed en masse by Syria
- Lower income Americans who have been booted off SNAP and Obamacare in droves
- Our environment, as the GOP tears down every regulation they possibly can
- All the women and minorities Trump has been publicly attacking
- Jewish people, who have to deal with an increasing waive of Antisemitism, constantly stoked by the White House.
- Regular people who had their livelihoods brutalized by Trumps trade war
- Women and young girls who are seeing their reproductive freedom eroded by the day
- Refugees who would normally be welcome in America but had the door slammed in their face by Stephen Miller
- Black people who get harassed by the police and end up with exceptionally harsh sentences for minor crimes, while the President cheers on the cops
- Christine Blasey Ford, who had the courage to step out and speak up KNOWING she would be viciously attacked for it.
- All of our Allies who have had to endure the stupid shit Trump does and now want nothing to do with us as a result.

Do NOT fucking try to tell me Trump has been the one suffering, because all I’m going to do is tell you to shove that straight up your ass.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:41:18am
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Belafon  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:43:11am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

We better be ready, because I guara-damn-tee you once the Senate votes to acquit Trump is going to gloat and bloviate and try to convince everyone that the acquittal means he was NOT ACTUALLY IMPEACHED. And the media may well try to help push that narrative as well.

The people susceptible to it are the people who already believe he shouldn’t be.

As long as Democrats don’t succumb to “impeachment doesn’t mean anything unless he’s convicted” then it will be ok. They will stay angry.

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Jay C  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:44:38am

re: #159 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Did the SNP get enough that they can/will force another referendum on leaving the UK?

As best I understand it, no.
Or at least, not yet.
I think these referenda are called by the Scottish, not the Westminster Parliament; and I’m not sure if the latter can’t stop the process (or the former just do it on their own)(??)
In any case, the 2014 vote was, AFAICR, allowed through pretty much only on the assumption that it would fail (though the 45-55% split was a surprise to the Unionists).

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:44:48am

re: #162 Barefoot Grin

The Dems had to impeach because Trump has abused his power, obstructed congress, and defied the Constitution. They also had to impeach precisely because McConnell will disregard all of that in the Senate—if they hadn’t impeached they would go down as moral cowards. Now the world gets to see clearly the immorality of the GOP and the president.

not convicting in the senate was a foregone conclusion
- partially because of the R majority
- partially because no president has yet been impeached and removed - quite a big bright line

while an honest and sober senate should convict, for this senate a more obvious, clear, incontrovertible event is necessary
(i dont agree they never would for anything at all)

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:46:00am

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve seen a lot of MAGAts implying the British results are a good sign Trump will win in a landslide here next year.

:eyeroll:

they dont vote here

(unless the implication is that russia manipulated the outcome and will do so here too)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:48:09am

Since Corbyn took over Labour, I had the thought and still do that the Democratic leadership isn’t as foolish as he is. Pelosi is much more intelligent and forward thinking than Jeremy Corbyn has ever been.

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Citizen K  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:51:23am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

We better be ready, because I guara-damn-tee you once the Senate votes to acquit Trump is going to gloat and bloviate and try to convince everyone that the acquittal means he was NOT ACTUALLY IMPEACHED. And the media may well try to help push that narrative as well.

re: #174 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Quite possibly true. But that failure will be on the media and not the House for actually doing the right thing.

I feel like the problem is that the average American won’t make that distinction precisely because of the media, and will punish Dems accordingly, because again, no matter what in this country, the Dems are at fault and are wrong, and therefore must be hated by everyone.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 7:53:16am

re: #184 Citizen K

I feel like the problem is that the average American won’t make that distinction precisely because of the media, and will punish Dems accordingly, because again, no matter what in this country, the Dems are at fault and are wrong, and therefore must be hated by everyone.

I get why you’re cynical but I really think the American people are frustrated with Trump. The Dems actually increased their standing in the legislature here last fall for example. Louisiana kept its Dem governor and Kentucky rejected its incumbent Republican one. I really feel in the end there are more of us than there are of them. That said, I’m still bummed as I know you are about how people like Harris were treated.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:00:00am

re: #181 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

not convicting in the senate was a foregone conclusion
- partially because of the R majority
- partially because no president has yet been impeached and removed - quite a big bright line

while an honest and sober senate should convict, for this senate a more obvious, clear, incontrovertible event is necessary
(i dont agree they never would for anything at all)

Like what? Every criminal FP act is hidden on the secret server and will never see the light of day. Do you really think that MoscowMitch is unaware of Trump’s violations of the Constitution? The only incontrovertible event is fear of a major loss in the Senate; otherwise they don’t care.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:02:55am

Haven’t seen HBO’s Watchmen, but I came across the soundtrack and it rocks (it’s NIN so of course it does).

Watchmen (2019 HBO series) - Full soundtrack (Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross)

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Jay C  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:05:05am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Since Corbyn took over Labour, I had the thought and still do that the Democratic leadership isn’t as foolish as he is. Pelosi is much more intelligent and forward thinking than Jeremy Corbyn has ever been.

And I think the “forward-thinking” part is the vital bit: Jeremy Corbyn always struck me as being the political equivalent of the coelocanth: a creature long thought extinct, until one day, one is is discovered swimming around Westminster, and elevated to Party leadership mainly because of, rather than despite, being a living anachronism.

Not that this is going to stop the chattering-head pundits from drawing an incorrect conclusion: simple-minded sloganeering about “socialism” is a lot easier to generate sound-bites with…

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:09:09am

No offense, but I’d be thrilled if things were similar enough between the US and Britain that we had to worry about a Trump reelection bid putting our single-payer health service into danger.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:12:00am

re: #188 Jay C

And I think the “forward-thinking” part is the vital bit: Jeremy Corbyn always struck me as being the political equivalent of the coelocanth: a creature long thought extinct, until one day, one is is discovered swimming around Westminster, and elevated to Party leadership mainly because of, rather than despite, being a living anachronism.

Not that this is going to stop the chattering-head pundits from drawing an incorrect conclusion: simple-minded sloganeering about “socialism” is a lot easier to generate sound-bites with…

Correct. I’m definitely interested in seeing where Labour goes from here. Corbyn’s problem is exactly what you say. He is a living anachronism. And I think that Bernie over here has a similar problem.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:16:23am

I has a sad because I overslept and missed the JC’s votes today. But from I’m reading and watching online, it seems that the reality that Donny is not going to end the year without being impeached is sinking in for the GOP.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:18:58am

re: #186 Hecuba’s daughter

Like what? Every criminal FP act is hidden on the secret server and will never see the light of day. Do you really think that MoscowMitch is unaware of Trump’s violations of the Constitution? The only incontrovertible event is fear of a major loss in the Senate; otherwise they don’t care.

this is the reality
if you cant prove it, you cant prove it (i think they did with what was available anyway)
that’s why there’s the second article of impeachment - the criminal is hiding the evidence and is being abetted by the jury

im just philosophizing that it’s similar to nixon. he held on because he was able to withhold the damning stuff. if damning evidence were to come out or the act was more clear cut, the senate would have a much harder time

and no, i dont think that’s gonna happen here because of timing and again, the senate and house R’s are complicit in the cover-up and stonewalling

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:24:10am

via huffpo:

The Washington Post editorial board wrote in an editorial on Thursday how new developments in the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump highlight “the yawning gap” between GOP lawmakers and the truth.

The editorial noted that Democrats participating in the House Judiciary Committee’s debate about the articles of impeachment had “repeatedly cited evidence” over Trump’s alleged bribery of Ukraine’s president to announce an investigation into potential Democratic 2020 rival Joe Biden in exchange for withheld military aid.

It was in stark contrast to most Republican lawmakers involved in the proceedings who, the editorial said, responded with “diversions” by raising “spurious complaints” about the process and claims that “Democrats were interested only in reversing” the 2016 election result.

Some just served up “gross distortions and falsehoods,” it added.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:29:05am

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ericblair  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:29:57am

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Correct. I’m definitely interested in seeing where Labour goes from here. Corbyn’s problem is exactly what you say. He is a living anachronism. And I think that Bernie over here has a similar problem.

Corbyn says that he won’t stand for another election, but hasn’t said when he’s stepping down (if you actually trust him to do that). The reason you’d do that is to groom a successor, and any successor he’d choose would be somebody like him, so the knives are out and the Parliamentary Party (i.e. the elected MPs) may decide to find a successor they like and force Corbyn out.

It’s not going to matter much for a long time, since Labour will be irrelevant at the national level for years except for some byelections. There’s not much doubt that BoJo will push through the withdrawal agreement and leave the EU in January, but the agreement essentially turns UK into Norway until, practically speaking, a trade agreement is signed, which is going to be years not months. The EU citizens who take the old racist voters’ blood pressure and wipe their asses will continue to leave with no replacements, businesses will pack up and go, and all the Remainers will have Told Ya So.

Any national politics for the next few years will be more Tory internal infighting. Boris is another malignant narcissist who has no particular policies and is an enormous fucking liar and cheat, but it’s unclear to me whether the rest of the Tories think that this win is tied to BoJo or whether he’s a noisy liability and needs to be neutralized at some point.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:30:43am

Struggling to maintain the lie is all they’ve got.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:31:14am

nothing good ever happens on a friday or a monday

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:32:21am

re: #195 ericblair

Corbyn says that he won’t stand for another election, but hasn’t said when he’s stepping down (if you actually trust him to do that). The reason you’d do that is to groom a successor, and any successor he’d choose would be somebody like him, so the knives are out and the Parliamentary Party (i.e. the elected MPs) may decide to find a successor they like and force Corbyn out.

It’s not going to matter much for a long time, since Labour will be irrelevant at the national level for years except for some byelections. There’s not much doubt that BoJo will push through the withdrawal agreement and leave the EU in January, but the agreement essentially turns UK into Norway until, practically speaking, a trade agreement is signed, which is going to be years not months. The EU citizens who take the old racist voters’ blood pressure and wipe their asses will continue to leave with no replacements, businesses will pack up and go, and all the Remainers will have Told Ya So.

Any national politics for the next few years will be more Tory internal infighting. Boris is another malignant narcissist who has no particular policies and is an enormous fucking liar and cheat, but it’s unclear to me whether the rest of the Tories think that this win is tied to BoJo or whether he’s a noisy liability and needs to be neutralized at some point.

Who/What do you think will emerge from the British center and left with Labour’s decline?

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plansbandc  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:32:43am

re: #173 William Lewis

I like this band. Would definitely go see them.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:38:26am

haaretz has pointed out the hypocrisy between trump’s stance on anti-Semitism, and its concomitant support for it.

They are well aware, as are politics-watchers in the U.S., that when the President takes a strong pro-Israel stance, adherents of Judaism are not the religious voters he’s after.

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ericblair  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:39:10am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

What do you think will emerge from the British center and left with Labour’s decline?

I dunno. I’d wait to see if we’ve got some Labour insiders here to weigh in. It depends on how tightly the hard left can hang onto leadership, I suppose, because of course their shit don’t stink and it’s all the fault of the red Tories and saboteurs and they certainly won’t step aside themselves.

My thinking is that the UK is going through the political realignment that the US went through years ago, where the cities are becoming uniformly left/liberal and the sticks are becoming nationalist conservative. The rural and lunchbucket left is pretty much gone. And, for the same reasons as the US, the rural areas will continue to make things worse for themselves while blaming the gays and wimmens and furriners until their dying breaths.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:39:54am

re: #200 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

haaretz has pointed out the hypocrisy between trump’s stance on anti-Semitism, and its concomitant support for it.

They are well aware, as are politics-watchers in the U.S., that when the President takes a strong pro-Israel stance, adherents of Judaism are not the religious voters he’s after.

If he actually cared about Jews, he wouldn’t be bringing Christian fundamentalists to this. He’s letting Christian fundamentalists like Jeffress and others who have no real connection to Jewish communities to define American Judaism.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:43:38am

re: #196 jaunte

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Struggling to maintain the lie is all they’ve got.

They’ve become so dedicated to the lie that even as they scream “READ THE TRANSCRIPT!”, they whisper under their breaths “But only in the way we agree with.”

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:45:22am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

If he actually cared about Jews, he wouldn’t be bringing Christian fundamentalists to this. He’s letting Christian fundamentalists like Jeffress and others who have no real connection to Jewish communities to define American Judaism.

He’s letting known anti-Semitic bigots like Jeffress define American Judaism - cannon fodder for their apocalyptic end times beliefs.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:46:46am

re: #201 ericblair

I dunno. I’d wait to see if we’ve got some Labour insiders here to weigh in. It depends on how tightly the hard left can hang onto leadership, I suppose, because of course their shit don’t stink and it’s all the fault of the red Tories and saboteurs and they certainly won’t step aside themselves.

My thinking is that the UK is going through the political realignment that the US went through years ago, where the cities are becoming uniformly left/liberal and the sticks are becoming nationalist conservative. The rural and lunchbucket left is pretty much gone. And, for the same reasons as the US, the rural areas will continue to make things worse for themselves while blaming the gays and wimmens and furriners until their dying breaths.

I think you’re on to something about the realignment and I think that’s something that the Corbynites don’t get. I sort of know a guy who is a big Corbyn fan from one of my genealogy groups. Really nice guy but I don’t think he sees that the old ways that worked for Labour and the left in the past no longer work in our times. I am really worried about the growing nativism and nationalism in the two countries. I actually have two cousins that live in the UK- one in Wales and one in England so I watch British politics with interest given my cousin’s have children that retain dual American/British citizenship. I haven’t talked to their kids about this since I don’t know how well they understand politics but my one cousin in England is big on helping integrate immigrants into her community.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:47:12am

re: #204 lawhawk

He’s letting known anti-Semitic bigots like Jeffress define American Judaism - cannon fodder for their apocalyptic end times beliefs.

Exactly and that rightfully angers American Jews.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:47:45am

re: #203 Targetpractice

They’ve become so dedicated to the lie that even as they scream “READ THE TRANSCRIPT!”, they whisper under their breaths “But only in the way we agree with.”

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

debbie lesko did that earlier in the week

she quotes two lines and then says ‘no mention of the bidens’ as she waves the paper of the ‘transcript’

well of course. and we agree.
there was no mention of the bidens on page one

it’s right there on page 4.
sigh

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ericblair  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:48:55am

re: #201 ericblair

The Labour MPs are probably going to be looking at data like this: the overwhelming reason people defected from Labour was the leadership. If they don’t have their knives out they’re stupid.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:52:49am
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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:53:39am

The question that pundits are gonna be debating for years to come is if the Tories would have remained in power, much less won such a huge majority yesterday, if Corbyn had read the writing on the walls sooner and stepped down as leader.

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:56:09am

#Impeached is the number one trending topic on Twitter.

That stain ain’t gonna wash out, no matter what Trump or any of his minions try. Presidency, forever tainted (like it wasn’t already).

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:57:48am
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Belafon  Dec 13, 2019 • 8:58:34am

re: #212 Sufficient unto the day…

slacker

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:00:40am

re: #207 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

debbie lesko did that earlier in the week

she quotes two lines and then says ‘no mention of the bidens’ as she waves the paper of the ‘transcript’

well of course. and we agree.
there was no mention of the bidens on page one

it’s right there on page 4.
sigh

IIRC, she then acknowledged that “Biden” appears in the transcript yesterday, but argued that since they appear in only one paragraph, the call wasn’t about investigating them.

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Jay C  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:04:39am

re: #201 ericblair

I dunno. I’d wait to see if we’ve got some Labour insiders here to weigh in. It depends on how tightly the hard left can hang onto leadership, I suppose, because of course their shit don’t stink and it’s all the fault of the red Tories and saboteurs and they certainly won’t step aside themselves.

My thinking is that the UK is going through the political realignment that the US went through years ago, where the cities are becoming uniformly left/liberal and the sticks are becoming nationalist conservative. The rural and lunchbucket left is pretty much gone. And, for the same reasons as the US, the rural areas will continue to make things worse for themselves while blaming the gays and wimmens and furriners until their dying breaths.

Mainly true, although I think that - compared to the US - the “lunchbucket left” is still more of a political factor than might be thought. Maybe not as strong as in the Labour heyday (Jeremy Corbyn’s rosy-tinted imaginary pre-Thatcher Golden Age), but still a non-trivial constituency. Probably a function of Britain’s still-pervasive class system, which (as usual), they don’t (or won’t) want to face or deal with.

re: #208 ericblair

Jeez, those numbers, if accurate, are brutal. Jeremy Corbyn ought to not just resign the Leadership, he should probably change his name and emigrate to New Zealand (or someplace even more-remote: Pitcairn Island, maybe?).

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:08:13am

re: #95 Chrysicat

Well, it’ll be slightly different. Apparently the new belief is that McTurtle isn’t going to allow a single piece of evidence to be presented in the Senate and may even forbid statements—just a summary vote as soon as the articles are presented, to acquit.
The fiction will be that the House inquiry was presentation of evidence.

(Why yes, the Department of Injustice lawyers were the ones who originally floated this; why do you ask?)

How is this up to mitch? Doesnt justice roberts have a say? He will not want a sham attached to his legacy.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:12:54am

I keep on thinking that so much of this new nationalism is inevitably linked to the fact we’ve lost more and more voices that remember the Depression and WWII. People like my grandmother who remembered the poverty that existed before The New Deal. People who remember seeing the death camps on the screens of their newsreels at the theaters and later followed Nuremberg. People who bled fighting the Nazis or helped out on the homefront. The new order that emerged from WWII is all most of us have ever known both here in and in Europe. The FP of the next President is going to be so important and it’s why while there’s a lot about Biden that does annoy me, I actually trust him the most on this of the four top Dems running. I think Pete is too hawkish, Sanders too uninterested, and I don’t know about Warren yet.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:14:59am

re: #211 makeitstop

#Impeached is the number one trending topic on Twitter.

That stain ain’t gonna wash out, no matter what Trump or any of his minions try. Presidency, forever tainted (like it wasn’t already).

that’s the victory even though he’s not even officially impeached yet

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:15:54am

re: #219 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

that’s the victory even though he’s not even officially impeached yet

It will always come up. He can’t escape it.

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Jay C  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:16:07am

re: #217 I Would Prefer Not To

How is this up to mitch? Doesnt justice roberts have a say? He will not want a sham attached to his legacy.

1. Senate rules re impeachment trials aren’t all set in stone: the Chamber has some leeway in ruling how they can do things; which in this Senate, means Mitch and the GOP have (mostly) absolute control.

2. CJ Roberts is Constitutionally mandated to “preside”: IIRC, he doesn’t have much, if any, participation in the actual procedures.

3. Sham or no, Roberts has little or no say in how the Senate acts: HE may care about his “legacy” (maybe), but McConnell and the Senate Republicans don’t give a shit.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:16:20am

How you bankrupt a casino.

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Citizen K  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:16:21am

re: #209 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is precisely the shit that makes me cynical because, no matter how much we wish it wasn’t true, this is exactly the shit that colors the coverage of proceedings for so many of the disconnected voters, the parts of the electorate that don’t follow this as hard as we do, and when they see it, the ‘both sides same thing’ bullshit wins.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:16:57am

re: #214 Targetpractice

IIRC, she then acknowledged that “Biden” appears in the transcript yesterday, but argued that since they appear in only one paragraph, the call wasn’t about investigating them.

she did just that i think cause someone privately told her not to do it again

the ‘only appears once’ logic is stunningly stupid.
and she’s right the call wasnt only about investigating them
though again, it’s all they got

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:18:55am
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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:20:08am
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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:20:14am

re: #223 Citizen K

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This is precisely the shit that makes me cynical because, no matter how much we wish it wasn’t true, this is exactly the shit that colors the coverage of proceedings for so many of the disconnected voters, the parts of the electorate that don’t follow this as hard as we do, and when they see it, the ‘both sides same thing’ bullshit wins.

The flip side is that lunacy like this makes it hard to argue that MAGAts are the “victims”:

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:21:16am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

I keep on thinking that so much of this new nationalism is inevitably linked to the fact we’ve lost more and more voices that remember the Depression and WWII. People like my grandmother who remembered the poverty that existed before The New Deal. People who remember seeing the death camps on the screens of their newsreels at the theaters and later followed Nuremberg. People who bled fighting the Nazis or helped out on the homefront. The new order that emerged from WWII is all most of us have ever known both here in and in Europe. The FP of the next President is going to be so important and it’s why while there’s a lot about Biden that does annoy me, I actually trust him the most on this of the four top Dems running. I think Pete is too hawkish, Sanders too uninterested, and I don’t know about Warren yet.

you’re right - people dont know and think things have always been this way

it’s a parallel to anti-vaxers

anyone who wants to toss out the protections, procedures, safety, checklists, etc as no longer necessary, wasnt around when they first came to be and why

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:23:31am

re: #228 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

you’re right - people dont know and think things have always been this way

it’s a parallel to anti-vaxers

anyone who wants to toss out the protections, procedures, safety, checklists, etc as no longer necessary, wasnt around when they first came to be and why

Yep on both counts. And that’s why how we teach history is so important.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:28:08am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:28:18am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Yep on both counts. And that’s why how we teach history is so important.

it’s the age old ‘comfort trap’

nothing ever goes wrong so some brilliant neophyte figures we dont need vaccines, checks on power, an independent press, whatever

“nothing ever goes wrong so why we gotta keep doing all this stuff?”

“we keep doing it this way because nothing goes wrong when we do “

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:29:27am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:30:34am

re: #232 jaunte

I’d call him chicken.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:31:26am

re: #232 jaunte

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Since the debates are in control of the media, if Trump says he won’t appear, then they simply won’t hold any. Instead we’ll get pundit pieces about how Trump actually “benefits” from refusing to face his opponent.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:31:47am

The Overton Window is now known at The Ratchet Effect.

Scrub the offending terms out of your brains, citizens.

That is all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:33:27am

re: #234 Targetpractice

Since the debates are in control of the media, if Trump says he won’t appear, then they simply won’t hold any. Instead we’ll get pundit pieces about how Trump actually “benefits” from refusing to face his opponent.

Which is why he should be called a coward. He likes to brag about how great his record is but he doesn’t have the courage to defend it to the American people? Call that out.

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ericblair  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:33:54am

re: #234 Targetpractice

Since the debates are in control of the media, if Trump says he won’t appear, then they simply won’t hold any. Instead we’ll get pundit pieces about how Trump actually “benefits” from refusing to face his opponent.

I’d say it’s pretty likely that Trump will be physically incapable of being in a debate by this time next year. He’s getting worse, faster.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:34:59am

re: #237 ericblair

I’d say it’s pretty likely that Trump will be physically incapable of being in a debate by this time next year. He’s getting worse, faster.

Yeah, but this is Trump, so he’s gonna find ways to whine about the “unfairness” of the media and how “mean” they’ve been to him to create an excuse for failure to appear.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:37:01am

Just as an economic question it seems crazy inefficient to ship US produced LNG all the way to Ukraine when they’re a big gas producer themselves.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:37:43am

Corruptly captured markets tend to be inefficient.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:40:10am
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Mike Lamb  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:41:15am

re: #196 jaunte

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Struggling to maintain the lie is all they’ve got.

He did with China too, albeit indirectly (that we know of, anyways).

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William Lewis  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:41:52am

re: #235 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

The Overton Window is now known at The Ratchet Effect.

Scrub the offending terms out of your brains, citizens.

That is all.

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But that’s how they can “Both Sides Are Equal” it. < spit >

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:42:29am

re: #232 jaunte

they should def say 3 things

- he’s afraid - impeachment etc have cowed him
- he’s not up to the challenge - gonna lose the debates badly
- he’s probably not strong enough /capable - ie weak

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:43:50am

re: #244 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

they should def say 3 things

- he’s afraid - impeachment etc have cowed him
- he’s not up to the challenge - gonna lose the debates badly
- he’s probably not strong enough /capable - ie weak

Control the narrative.

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gocart mozart  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:44:30am

For a minute I thought one Dem abstained. They called the roll and said “Mr Lu” and the person sitting there had no reaction and then I remembered that Ted Lieu is ill and missed the hearing. I wonder who was sitting in Ted Lieu’s seat.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:53:18am

On The View, Meghan McCain (whose father was the late Sen. John McCain), lays into Tom Steyer as having bought his way on to the debate stage.

mediaite.com (fixed link)

I don’t seem to remember any of the GOPers complaining about Trump buying (or allegedly buying) his way on the debate stage when he initially professed to self funding his campaign.

But I also think it’s a legit point. Steyer has no actual support and is buying his way with a vanity campaign. Bloomberg too, though Bloomberg has an actual record on which to run with/against.

Bloomberg could also buy Steyer many times over with couch change (ditto for Trump) and Bloomberg is self made - unlike Trump.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:54:22am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Which is why he should be called a coward. He likes to brag about how great his record is but he doesn’t have the courage to defend it to the American people? Call that out.

+1

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:55:41am

re: #237 ericblair

I’d say it’s pretty likely that Trump will be physically incapable of being in a debate by this time next year. He’s getting worse, faster.

A great reason not to reelect…if he can’t manage a 2 hr debate….

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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:56:09am

Well, sheeit. Google Chrome on Mac is suddenly refusing to open any websites, after it auto-updated to version 79, and nothing seems to fix it. They broke something in this version.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:57:30am

re: #239 jaunte

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Just as an economic question it seems crazy inefficient to ship US produced LNG all the way to Ukraine when they’re a big gas producer themselves.

“Commissions”

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:58:33am

re: #241 jaunte
A+

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Teukka  Dec 13, 2019 • 9:59:23am

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Well, sheeit. Google Chrome on Mac is suddenly refusing to open any websites, after it auto-updated to version 79, and nothing seems to fix it. They broke something in this version.

Have the same problem on Windows. Some versions back, Chrome ate itself so bad not even a reinstall works anymore.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 13, 2019 • 10:00:12am

re: #204 lawhawk

He’s letting known anti-Semitic bigots like Jeffress define American Judaism - cannon fodder for their apocalyptic end times beliefs.

I know Jewish Trumporrhoids who will scream WHATABOUT FARRAKHAN!!! WHATABOUT JEREMIAH WRIGHT!!!1!!!! but if I mention Jeffress & Wiles, who are white Farrakhans, they’re like NOBODY CARES ABOUT THEM OR EVEN EVER HEARD ABOUT THEM!!111!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2019 • 10:05:50am

I don’t think Trumps ego will allow him to skip the debates. He’ll medicate the fuck out of himself and bloviate for 90 minutes, and the next day Fox News will gloat about how he “crushed” whoever the Dem nominee is.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2019 • 10:07:36am

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Well, sheeit. Google Chrome on Mac is suddenly refusing to open any websites, after it auto-updated to version 79, and nothing seems to fix it. They broke something in this version.

If anyone else is having this problem with the Mac version of Chrome, you can fix it by quitting Chrome and deleting the file LocalState in ~/Library/Application Support/Google/Chrome. Then it will work, but if you quit Chrome you’ll need to delete that file again.

A lot of people are having this problem: support.google.com

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2019 • 10:09:54am

re: #255 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t think Trumps ego will allow him to skip the debates. He’ll medicate the fuck out of himself and bloviate for 90 minutes, and the next day Fox News will gloat about how he “crushed” whoever the Dem nominee is.

“Literally falling on the nominee doesn’t count as a win.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2019 • 10:10:49am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 13, 2019 • 10:11:22am

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Jay C  Dec 13, 2019 • 10:17:21am

re: #254 The Pie Overlord!

I know Jewish Trumporrhoids who will scream WHATABOUT FARRAKHAN!!! WHATABOUT JEREMIAH WRIGHT!!!1!!!! but if I mention Jeffress & Wiles, who are white Farrakhans, they’re like NOBODY CARES ABOUT THEM OR EVEN EVER HEARD ABOUT THEM!!111!!

Did Louis Farrakhan ever get an invitation to the White House? To an official WH Hanukkah party - still less whatever other Trump/GOP affairs he seems to be a regular fixture at?
And in any case, why is Farrakhan even relevant?

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A Mom Anon  Dec 13, 2019 • 10:27:21am

re: #160 The Pie Overlord!

/NkrTn/IN9zcc8+Tcq+gQvfIDO2svnpngEoSWr5YVH1myqJeeUedKJ5qOVJ60eb5XQn6rJcwKo0hrnLEMtwqXmBHCZGJEMOYRka9WByhbs8K7ZMEV9UqAayGGtFiyiE+kF4rObIdYqvGnWDVBo7z/4pGuUk6qelVttm5Qx8hi1efvZi0/G/NvQ==

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aatharuv  Dec 13, 2019 • 10:27:48am

re: #86 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Even the Obama Justice department urged to the Supreme Court to not take up a case where the plaintiffs were requesting Birthright citizenship for American Samoans.

motherjones.com

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 13, 2019 • 11:22:23am

re: #151 jaunte

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 13, 2019 • 11:43:08am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Yeah, but this is Trump, so he’s gonna find ways to whine about the “unfairness” of the media and how “mean” they’ve been to him to create an excuse for failure to appear.

Trump’s “debates” will be just holding more rallies - with the claim that he *is* taking things to the people rather than being beholden to fixed venues set up by the “fake media”.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 13, 2019 • 11:45:26am

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Well, sheeit. Google Chrome on Mac is suddenly refusing to open any websites, after it auto-updated to version 79, and nothing seems to fix it. They broke something in this version.

GOP Chrome wants nothing to do with liberal Macs and their corresponding liberal websites. And thus they will protect you from them whether you want said protection or not!
//// j/k :)


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