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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:27:13am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:31:48am
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:32:22am

CL’ed downstairs

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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:33:09am
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A Cranky One  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:33:36am

So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :

esquire.com

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:35:32am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Think that’s the Dinklage.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:38:25am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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No matter how @jack tries, he’s still one of the Silicon Six on Sacha Baron Cohen’s list!

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:38:32am

re: #5 A Cranky One

This one from the NY Times is great, too:

“It’s amazing to see what Adult Swim can accomplish with a $100 million budget. I never knew Tom Hooper was capable of making a surrealist nightmare that would rival Jodorowsky, that could baffle David Lynch, that would prompt even the dark god Cthulhu to emit an impressed eldritch shriek of ‘nehehehehehe’.”

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:39:43am

re: #5 A Cranky One

So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :

esquire.com

I put up a lot of them downstairs. Daaaaaaamn.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:41:33am

Cats is so bad it makes Uwe Boll movies look Oscar worthy.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:41:54am

re: #5 A Cranky One

So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :

esquire.com

I saw the show on Broadway and came out of it thinking - how the fuck did it ever get considered a hit in the first place? It was a muddled mess, but Memory was a great song.

ALW knows how to write beautiful music, and yet none of that papers over the fact that the show is a mess.

So, what did anyone expect from this movie? Those actors in it figure to have their name associated with a “beloved” Broadway hit, much as those who participated in Les Mis movie did (and Les Mis the movie was far better in most ways other than Javert being horribly miscast with Russell Crowe).

This appears to be horribly conceived, staged, and produced in every way imaginable.

And I suspect, some will go to see it in all of its horribleness just to say that they did.

I wont be one of them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:42:29am

re: #5 A Cranky One

So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :

esquire.com

Criswell Bacon predicts that Cats will duplicate Adam Sandler’s RAZZIE Grand Slam for Jack & Jill!

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:43:03am

Just because you can CGI most anything doesn’t mean that you should try (see also Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, etc.)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:44:26am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Tech CEO or Bond Villain, prepare to lose, Mr. Bond.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:44:50am

re: #5 A Cranky One

So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :

esquire.com

A sampling:

If only they used cats instead of demons…

…awful movie. Plus, Taylor Swift is on there, which makes it even more intolerable.

More crotch shots than a Michael Bay movie. I felt like the FBI was going to raid the theater.

Would not go to again. However, I did enjoy the scene where it was just people’s names.

This is not a movie, it is chaos…I cannot tell if I am five minutes in or five hours. It is the death of all things.

I can feel the light inside me fading.

Cat-ass-trophic waste of effort by everybody conceptualizing, producing, promoting and even watching this film

Oh God, my eyes.

Spectacular disaster. This movie feels like a prank, but I don’t know on whom.
It’s more like being trapped inside the head of a crazy cat lady that’s tripping balls on peyote. I felt kind dirty afterwards… I can’t decide if I need to see it again or if I need therapy. Maybe both.

It’s kind of like a musical riff on the Star Wars Holiday Special, directed by Tommy Wiseau, if he was a furry-obsessed porn director with a deep love of bad disco from the late 70s.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:45:47am

re: #5 A Cranky One

Epic.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:47:41am

re: #13 lawhawk

Just because you can CGI most anything doesn’t mean that you should try (see also Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, etc.)

Do NOT bring the good name of Star Wars into this….

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:48:37am

From the Evening Standard review:

“Yet these cats are never even momentarily plausible as cats either, obviously. Rather they seem to be grotesquely deformed human beings. There are moments when this film seems not so much an adaptation of a nonsense classic as a horror story, nearly as obscene as The Human Centipede.”

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:49:40am

And now for something completely different.

Best astrophotographs of the decade.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:50:01am

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

From the Evening Standard review:

Who thought that a musical version of The Island of Dr Moreau would be a good holiday movie?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:50:59am

re: #17 Scottish Dragon

Do NOT bring the good name of Star Wars into this….

I don’t mind it, but NO EP 9 SPOILERS PLEASE!

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:53:41am
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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:54:15am
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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:56:42am

Speaking of lying liars who lie…

DOJ: Cohen Lied To Us About His Interest In Working For Trump’s White House

They all lie when the truth would do.

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:56:55am

re: #17 Scottish Dragon

Do NOT bring the good name of Star Wars into this….

Read an individual’s “review” of TROS: Michael Bey has finally made a Star Wars movie.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:57:18am

re: #24 Teddy’s Person

They all lie when the truth would do.

They all lie out of force of habit.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:58:34am

I just downloaded my favorite film-review podcast—Kermode and Mayo—and am looking forward to hearing Mark Kermode go on a rant about Cats.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:59:13am

re: #17 Scottish Dragon

Prequels are a CGI mess - and yes, they helped get the industry to this point we are at with Cats.

ILM was deeply involved in the SFX for Cats.

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Jay C  Dec 20, 2019 • 10:59:18am

re: #23 jaunte

JFC on a 3WB !

Only Nancy Pelosi could manage to turn a routine formal invitation into a sick burn: and her target may probably not even notice.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:00:13am

re: #29 Jay C

Oh he’ll notice. He has no skin left.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:00:55am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t mind it, but NO EP 9 SPOILERS PLEASE!

Darth Vader is Luke’s Dad. Luke kissed his … .sister.

Obi Wan is a failure.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:01:11am

I’m on my way for Tex-Mex and Star Wars.
I’m going in.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:01:47am

re: #32 Dave In Austin

I’m on my way for Tex-Mex and Star Wars.
I’m going in.

May the intestinal force be with you!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:02:30am

The trailer was so surreal. Saw it at a theater since I was with my niece. She pretty much had the same wtf reaction that my brother and I did.it looked to me almost self parody and the bizarre landscape of a steampunk meets furries.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:03:01am

re: #29 Jay C

JFC on a 3WB !

Only Nancy Pelosi could manage to turn a routine formal invitation into a sick burn: and her target may probably not even notice.

I was going to say that his staff will probably simply not show it to him, but even if they wanted to, social media will make sure he sees it. He’s going to tweet out how he’ll show up only if Nancy says she’s sorry for being a meanie. It will be a thing of pathetic beauty.

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b.d. (Lock Him Up!)  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:03:21am

re: #32 Dave In Austin

I’m on my way for Tex-Mex and Star Wars.
I’m going in.

May the frijoles be with you

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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:06:46am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:09:15am
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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:09:33am
Lawyers representing migrants seeking asylum at the border say U.S. border agents are systematically writing the same wrong address on the migrants’ papers, leaving hundreds with no way to receive communications from the government about their cases and undermining their ability to win asylum in the United States.
Source: NBS News

The banality of evil.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:11:36am

re: #39 Teddy’s Person

The banality of evil.

that should be a punishable crime

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:12:54am

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that should be a punishable crime

It probably is once it is shown to be purposeful. it minimally should result in loss of employment with the CBP.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:13:21am

re: #22 jaunte

I’d have preferred:

“as there is no requirement that said report be given as a speech, we look forward to receiving a written report on the state of the union at your earliest convenience”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:13:42am

re: #41 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

It probably is once it is shown to be purposeful. it minimally should result in loss of employment with the CBP.

except that you know that supervisors will wink and look the other way

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:14:20am

re: #42 KGxvi

I’d have preferred:

“as there is no requirement that said report be given as a speech, we look forward to receiving a written report on the state of the union at your earliest convenience”

Was there not a blowup about Nancy not inviting him to give a SOTU at one point?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:15:20am

re: #39 Teddy’s Person

The banality of evil.

Those families will always think lesser of our country. Trump is alienating a generation of Central Americans to the US government.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:15:32am

re: #41 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

It probably is once it is shown to be purposeful. it minimally should result in loss of employment with the CBP.

From the linked NBC story

Eighteen examples of migrants whose forms note their address as Casa del Migrante, a shelter in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, that they have never visited,…

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:16:02am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Was there not a blowup about Nancy not inviting him to give a SOTU at one point?

Probably. I also remember that being the plot to a whole episode of the West Wing.

I would sort of love for a president to just release a written report and skip all the bullshit that a speech entails. But I doubt that will happen in my life time… barring a freak illness or some such.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:16:37am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

except that you know that supervisors will wink and look the other way

Which in turn can get them fired if a serious investigation and urge for reform gets going. So, to a degree, these people are openly betting on Trump getting re-elected.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:17:51am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Was there not a blowup about Nancy not inviting him to give a SOTU at one point?

Yeah earlier this year, when he was being a dick and keeping the government shut down. SOTU was a week late as a result.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:18:08am

re: #48 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And if Trump’s not re-elected, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw resignations en masse from not only CBP but ICE as well.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:18:11am

re: #47 KGxvi

Probably. I also remember that being the plot to a whole episode of the West Wing.

I would sort of love for a president to just release a written report and skip all the bullshit that a speech entails. But I doubt that will happen in my life time… barring a freak illness or some such.

It’s a product of the age of mass media for sure. I don’t think we’ve had a SOTU not broadcast for close to a century.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:18:14am

re: #47 KGxvi

Probably. I also remember that being the plot to a whole episode of the West Wing.

I would sort of love for a president to just release a written report and skip all the bullshit that a speech entails. But I doubt that will happen in my life time… barring a freak illness or some such.

I expect that Trump will not give up an opportunity for a captive audience to spew crap about his achievements in front of. And knowing that roughly half of the audience with give him periodic standing ovations.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:19:32am

Is it just me, or have we not had many year/decade in review things this year?

Like, I remember 2009 going into 2010 and 1999 going into 2000 having a lot of that sort of decade in review. And the year in review stuff typically has been standard fare in December. But this year it seems very… reserved.

Or is that just me?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:20:55am

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

And if Trump’s not re-elected, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw resignations en masse from not only CBP but ICE as well.

I think someone like Beto O’Rourke who understands border communities and has a strong empathy for immigrants and relationships on both sides of the border might be a good fit for CBP Director.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:21:20am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

It’s a product of the age of mass media for sure. I don’t think we’ve had a SOTU not broadcast for close to a century.

From wikipedia:

George Washington delivered the first regular annual message before a joint session of Congress on January 8, 1790, in New York City, then the provisional U.S. capital. In 1801, Thomas Jefferson discontinued the practice of delivering the address in person, regarding it as too monarchical (similar to the Speech from the Throne). Instead, the address was written and then sent to Congress to be read by a clerk until 1913 when Woodrow Wilson re-established the practice despite some initial controversy, and an in-person address to Congress has been delivered nearly every year since. However, there have been exceptions to this rule, with some messages being given solely in writing, and others given both in writing and orally (either in a speech to Congress or through broadcast media). The last President to give a written message without a spoken address was Jimmy Carter in 1981, days before his term ended after his defeat by Ronald Reagan.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:21:34am
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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:21:55am

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

And if Trump’s not re-elected, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw resignations en masse from not only CBP but ICE as well.

Good.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:21:59am
The US Naval Academy and US Military Academy at West Point said Friday that the hand gesture some cadets and midshipmen were seen making on camera was part of a game known as the “circle game” and not a white supremacist symbol.
Source CNN

Until this incident, I had never heard of the circle game. Does anyone know when this became a thing?

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:22:00am

The rot progresses.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:23:07am

re: #58 Teddy’s Person

Until this incident, I had never heard of the circle game. Does anyone know when this became a thing?

My friends and I played it in high school/college in the 90s.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:23:12am

re: #53 KGxvi

Is it just me, or have we not had many year/decade in review things this year?

Like, I remember 2009 going into 2010 and 1999 going into 2000 having a lot of that sort of decade in review. And the year in review stuff typically has been standard fare in December. But this year it seems very… reserved.

Or is that just me?

Not at all. I did get a personalized one on Spotify based on my music but I haven’t seen much when it comes to print media.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:23:34am

re: #55 KGxvi

From wikipedia:

Wow I’m way off.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:24:01am
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:24:07am

re: #58 Teddy’s Person

Until this incident, I had never heard of the circle game. Does anyone know when this became a thing?

I vaguely remember it from middle school. That should tell you something. It’s a tween boy punching game.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:24:59am

re: #60 KGxvi

My friends and I played it in high school/college in the 90s.

Thanks for the info. I was in high school/college in the late 70s and early 80s.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:25:02am

re: #64 Scottish Dragon

And there’s no point to the circle game unless you punch the one who looks. Unless it’s not the circle game.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:25:51am

re: #64 Scottish Dragon

I vaguely remember it from middle school. That should tell you something. It’s a tween boy punching game.

Kind of like punch buggy? lol

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:25:55am

Should the military be staffed with trolls?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:25:57am

re: #66 jaunte

And there’s no point to the circle game unless you punch the one who looks. Unless it’s not the circle game.

That’s right. It’s a punching game.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:26:20am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I’m sort of surprised that Carter gave one in 1981. Usually the year after an election there isn’t technically a “state of the union” address. There’s usually an address to a joint session a couple months after the new president is sworn in, but an outgoing president giving such a speech strikes me as unusual.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:26:22am

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Kind of like punch buggy? lol

Now punch buggy I remember!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:26:45am

re: #68 jaunte

Should the military be staffed with trolls?

Orcs are generally a more reliable fighting force.

/

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:27:25am

re: #70 KGxvi

I’m sort of surprised that Carter gave one in 1981. Usually the year after an election there isn’t technically a “state of the union” address. There’s usually an address to a joint session a couple months after the new president is sworn in, but an outgoing president giving such a speech strikes me as unusual.

It strikes me as consistent with Carter as a person.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:27:25am

re: #68 jaunte

Should the military be staffed with trolls?

Well, it depends on the trolling. Soldiers find any and every sort of trouble possibly available.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:27:52am

The circle game was a thing in my junior high for about two months in 1965.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:28:05am

And then we got bored with it.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:28:24am

re: #75 jaunte

The circle game was a thing in my junior high for about two months in 1965.

Yeah, I remember it from about 1979 or some such.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:29:06am

re: #76 jaunte

And then we got bored with it.

I still have students trying to do that water bottle flip thing. Thank God they all got rid of the fidget spinners.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:30:04am

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

Urak Hai.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:31:04am

I think I remember it in the late 90’s/early 00’s. As SD said, very middle school kid shit. I thought I had heard there are concerns about Trump impacting the chain of command for his tendency to pardon people accused of crimes relating to civilians.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:31:07am

The Orange Moron just retweeted an account called “Jews for Trump”

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Disloyal Archangel  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:32:41am

re: #5 A Cranky One

So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :

esquire.com

There’s so many good “what-the-hell-did-I-just-watch” reviews out there…

“The only performance that resonated with me was Ian McKellan’s take on Gus the Theater Cat. His song about the good old days was a highlight, mainly because it reminded me of the good old days before I entered the theater to watch this horrible film.”

“Like the Ark of the Covenant, you won’t be able to look away as it melts your face off. “

“Cats is the kind of bad movie you’ll tell your kids about, and they probably won’t believe you. “

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:33:32am

Possible SW spoiler

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Dread Pirate  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:33:49am

re: #42 KGxvi

I’d have preferred:

“as there is no requirement that said report be given as a speech, we look forward to receiving a written report on the state of the union at your earliest convenience”

He should tweet the SOTU to own the libs..

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:35:32am

Went took another look at the video from the Army-Navy game and have concluded that, if they were playing the circle game, they were doing it wrong. My second conclusion is that the US military should be embarrassed to have these young assholes in their ranks.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:35:34am

re: #82 Disloyal Archangel

There’s so many good “what-the-hell-did-I-just-watch” reviews out there…

“The only performance that resonated with me was Ian McKellan’s take on Gus the Theater Cat. His song about the good old days was a highlight, mainly because it reminded me of the good old days before I entered the theater to watch this horrible film.”

“Like the Ark of the Covenant, you won’t be able to look away as it melts your face off. “

” Cats is the kind of bad movie you’ll tell your kids about, and they probably won’t believe you. “

[Embedded content]

They actually did show the trailer for it with the Lion King so heh a lot of kids saw it. As I said above, my niece pretty much had the same what the fuck did I watch moment I did.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:35:41am

re: #84 Dread Pirate

He should tweet the SOTU to own the libs..

He should send a six page screed that he penned in a plywood shack nut hut 200 miles outside Coeur d’Alene.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:35:41am

re: #84 Dread Pirate

He should tweet the SOTU to own the libs..

The Tweet of the Nation, I like it

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:37:09am
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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:37:40am
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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:38:05am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:38:21am

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Tweet of the Nation, I like it

Live from the 9th floor hole bathroom at Mar Al Lago & brought to you by KFC and McDonalds, it’s the Tweet of the Nation.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:41:54am
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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:44:17am

OMG they’re trotting out Ivanka for the Sunday shows

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:45:39am

re: #94 Teddy’s Person

OMG they’re trotting out Ivanka for the Sunday shows

[Embedded content]

This ought to be interesting.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:47:53am

re: #94 Teddy’s Person

OMG they’re trotting out Ivanka for the Sunday shows

[Embedded content]

This is so fucking rich. They’ve accused the Bidens of the worst nepotism and they send out the face of his blatant nepotism.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:49:39am

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

This ought to be interesting.

Someone’s gonna bring up her and Jared. And then her dad will cry on Twitter about how the media is so unfair to beautiful Ivanka who has done so much.// They’re in crisis mode.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:50:31am

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

This ought to be interesting.

I watched that clip with the sound off, and when Ivanka talks, she looks like she has no idea what the words she’s saying mean. She’s memorized words and is trying so hard to say them correctly rather than making a point.

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Nyet  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:50:59am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

More like, a piece of shit.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:51:17am

re: #83 Scottish Dragon

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:52:12am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Someone’s gonna bring up her and Jared. And then her dad will cry on Twitter about how the media is so unfair to beautiful Ivanka who has done so much.// They’re in crisis mode.

LEAVE THE KIDS OUT OF IT YOU CRUEL AND HEARTLESS LIBTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:53:44am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

This is so fucking rich. They’ve accused the Bidens of the worst nepotism and they send out the face of his blatant nepotism.

Won’t matter, she’ll get softball question after softball question and never face any sort of meaningful follow-up question. The media is thoroughly cowed.

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Cheechako  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:54:48am

re: #94 Teddy’s Person

OMG they’re trotting out Ivanka for the Sunday shows

[Embedded content]

Watched that clip. During that one minute I came up with at least 6 follow-up questions that were never asked. Just more shitty news coverage.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:56:45am

re: #102 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Won’t matter, she’ll get softball question after softball question and never face any sort of meaningful follow-up question. The media is thoroughly cowed.

In the clip Face the Nation tweeted out, she’s asked how she feels personally about Trump’s impeachment. How is this impacting the Trump family? Her response is a vapid as you would imagine.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:57:08am

re: #85 Teddy’s Person

Maybe the circle game was different in TX — you only got punched if someone made the circle below their waist and you looked. Yes, it’s a stupid game, but that was the ONLY rule there was to it. Had to be below the waist.

That’s why I never thought they were doing anything other than trying to flash white power symbols on TV because they had the chance to.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 11:59:43am

re: #103 Cheechako

Watched that clip. During that one minute I came up with at least 6 follow-up questions that were never asked. Just more shitty news coverage.

I’ve seen some excerpts from the CBS-supplied transcript where they spend some time trying to rehabilitate Rudy.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:01:06pm

re: #106 Teddy’s Person

I’ve seen some excerpts from the CBS-supplied transcript where they spend some time trying to rehabilitate Rudy.

I’m waiting for the sequel “weekend at Rudy’s two.”

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:03:38pm

re: #85 Teddy’s Person

And here’s a good point regarding the West Point controversy:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:03:39pm

Florida, man

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:03:56pm

re: #106 Teddy’s Person

I’ve seen some excerpts from the CBS-supplied transcript where they spend some time trying to rehabilitate Rudy.

Rudy is one of those other people in Trump’s inner circle that I don’t understand what exactly he does. Yes I know the official title but I don’t recall Obama or Bush’s personal attorneys doing shady shit like Rudy. Presidential counsels, sure. Rudy had no business interfering with the embassy’s work in Kyiv. Can you imagine how frustrated that station must be?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:05:14pm

re: #109 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Florida, man

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What I find somewhat worrying is that the truck got all the way into the edge of a baggage claim area. Timed a bit differently that area could be full of passengers, and what if it was more than just a truck?

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:05:20pm

re: #108 Flying Squirrel Girl

And here’s a good point regarding the West Point controversy:

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That is a good point. Kids these days aren’t posting an infinite number of videos to YouTube playing this game.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:06:01pm

re: #109 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That is not how FastPass or Global Entry works.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:06:03pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Rudy is one of those other people in Trump’s inner circle that I don’t understand what exactly he does. Yes I know the official title but I don’t recall Obama or Bush’s personal attorneys doing shady shit like Rudy. Presidential counsels, sure. Rudy had no business interfering with the embassy’s work in Kyiv. Can you imagine how frustrated that station must be?

Rudy’s the court jester.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:08:30pm

re: #114 Teddy’s Person

Rudy’s the court jester.

I thought that was Don Jr. Or is he the dim witted heir who thinks everyone thinks he’s a bad ass and everyone including his dad laugh about behind his back.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:10:03pm

Rudy strikes me as a bumbling Luca Brasi type if I want to play Corleone.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:10:46pm

Good:

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Mike Lamb  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:10:54pm

re: #108 Flying Squirrel Girl

And here’s a good point regarding the West Point controversy:

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They don’t get it. That cadet is now going door to door and punching all the people that saw it on TV. It might take a bit for him to get through everyone.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:12:55pm

The CSPAN moment of the year.

Woman calls in to berate the two pundits on the show.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:13:38pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I thought that was Don Jr. Or is he the dim witted heir who thinks everyone thinks he’s a bad ass and everyone including his dad laugh about behind his back.

This quote applies to all the Trump spawn.

An unnamed Indian diplomat told Bobby Ghosh, the editor-in-chief of the Hindustan Times: “We regard Ivanka Trump the way we do half-wit Saudi princes. It’s in our national interest to flatter them.”

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:16:51pm

re: #109 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The idiot was speeding on the freeway and trying to pass, went through the freeway edge fence and just kept right on going without breaking. Almost certainly was drinking.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:17:09pm

I think someone wants grandbabies.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:21:50pm

re: #120 Teddy’s Person

This quote applies to all the Trump spawn.

Yes.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:24:13pm

They will still vote for Trump because of “illegals.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:25:26pm

re: #112 Teddy’s Person

That is a good point. Kids these days aren’t posting an infinite number of videos to YouTube playing this game.

The whole point of the White Power hand gesture is that it is easily brushed off when it is caught out. It makes them think they are being really cunning and getting one over on the Litbards

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:26:17pm

Okay, this is wild. Those fake FB accounts that were shut down? The Saudis behind the fakes were generating admin photos with AI. Thread.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:27:36pm

re: #126 makeitstop

Okay, this is wild. Those fake FB accounts that were shut down? The Saudis behind the fakes were generating admin photos with AI. Thread.

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That’s pretty scary. A whole new evolution in the bot wars.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:27:58pm

re: #124 DodgerFan1988

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They will still vote for Trump because of “illegals.”

Aren’t there thousands of steel plants opening all over the US per tRump?

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Nyet  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:28:30pm

re: #122 Teddy’s Person

Obama, notoriously good with babies :D

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:30:17pm

re: #129 Nyet

Obama, notoriously good with babies :D

Having read Becoming, it’s not a surprise. He was and still is an engaged father from the start.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:30:38pm

re: #124 DodgerFan1988

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They will still vote for Trump because of “illegals.”

Dying of whiteness.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:32:04pm

re: #122 Teddy’s Person

What are:

Things we’ll never ever see Trump do anywhere at any time. He never interacts with children in any normal way, and he’s similarly avoiding interactions with animals.

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Nyet  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:32:39pm

re: #132 lawhawk

What are:

Things we’ll never ever see Trump do anywhere at any time. He never interacts with children in any normal way, and he’s similarly avoiding interactions with animals.

Yet he’s both…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:32:46pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:33:22pm

re: #124 DodgerFan1988

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They will still vote for Trump because of “illegals.”

Nah, they’ll vote for him because of assurances that he’s “winning” the trade war and that this is just a temporary closing because a second Trump term will mean greater demand for American steel.

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Nyet  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:33:41pm

re: #134 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Can you explain?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:34:19pm

re: #132 lawhawk

What are:

Things we’ll never ever see Trump do anywhere at any time. He never interacts with children in any normal way, and he’s similarly avoiding interactions with animals.

The way he talks about Barron is weird. Remember “Barron knows cyber. Barron is a genius on the computer.” I’m not saying Barron is dumb but Trump has a weird way of talking about his son.

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jeffreyw  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:35:36pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:35:54pm

re: #113 lawhawk

That is not how FastPass or Global Entry works.

He was in a rush to turn in his keys at the rental counter

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:36:32pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Trump has no normal personal interactions with anyone. Not his family. Not his children.

Not anyone else’s children.

He’s so absorbed in his own fragile ego, he can’t think beyond himself.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:38:25pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:38:30pm

re: #136 Nyet

Can you explain?

Not sure about what you’re inquiring.

If you mean Prof Stavrakopoulou, she’s an OT and ancient NE scholar who also writes quite a bit about women’s empowerment.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:38:32pm

re: #122 Teddy’s Person

I think someone wants grandbabies.

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If Trump tried that, the terrified parents would run the other way; as they should.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:38:59pm
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Florida Panhandler  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:39:12pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

The way he talks about Barron is weird. Remember “Barron knows cyber. Barron is a genius on the computer.” I’m not saying Barron is dumb but Trump has a weird way of talking about his son.

Meaning compared to His father Bannon probably knows how to turn the PC on, find the Chrome icon, and fire up Fortnite. None of which Trump knows how to do.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:41:45pm
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Nyet  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:45:51pm

re: #142 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Oh, the image got cut through embedding, so I didn’t read the ending. Blergh.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:45:53pm

re: #145 Florida Panhandler

Meaning compared to His father Bannon probably knows how to turn the PC on, find the Chrome icon, and fire up Fortnite. None of which Trump knows how to do.

Right. I mean I’m sure Barron understands computers decently enough since kids his generation are exposed to them so young and they are vital to K-12 education but he doesn’t know hacking or how cyber security works. And Trump definitely didn’t when he put Mayor Buttdial in charge of his cyber security task force.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:48:08pm

Andrew Sullivan has beshat himself.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:50:42pm

Probably why Trumpers feel the US is the center of the universe:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:51:34pm

re: #149 Scottish Dragon

Andrew Sullivan has beshat himself.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:52:05pm

re: #149 Scottish Dragon

I used to really like Sullivan. He was one of my regular reads in the earliest days of the blogosphere. He was also probably one of the reasons I started blogging while in law school (besides needing something to do with my free time that wasn’t gambling).

This last decade has left me wondering what the actual fuck when it comes to him (ok, honestly, the last decade has left me wondering that when it comes to a lot of things)

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b.d. (Lock Him Up!)  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:52:41pm

re: #150 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Probably why Trumpers feel the US is the center of the universe:

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One side is Asia, the other side is the orient.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:53:24pm

“What do you mean the formula was in Liters, not Gallons?”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:53:49pm

re: #152 KGxvi

I used to really like Sullivan. He was one of my regular reads in the earliest days of the blogosphere. He was also probably one of the reasons I started blogging while in law school (besides needing something to do with my free time that wasn’t gambling).

This last decade has left me wondering what the actual fuck when it comes to him (ok, honestly, the last decade has left me wondering that when it comes to a lot of things)

He has always been a racist with an extreme devotion to promoting white superiority via The Bell Curve.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:54:14pm

re: #154 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“What do you mean the formula was in Liters, not Gallons?”

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“eh, fuck it, let’s see what happens…”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:56:22pm

re: #153 b.d. (Lock Him Up!)

One side is Asia, the other side is the orient.

one side is Eurasia, one is Eastasia. The rest is Oceania…

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:56:33pm

re: #150 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Not to mention that the Mercator Projection minimizes the size of the African continent.

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Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:56:59pm

re: #141 Dread Pirate

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It should come as no surprise that the people who believe that just having a handgun on your person wards off “evil” also believe that tax cuts that go almost exclusively to the rich will “trickle down” to the poor. There’s a reason that the late Bush Sr referred to such as “Voodoo Economics.”

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:57:38pm

re: #154 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“What do you mean the formula was in Liters, not Gallons?”

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really exothermic. That was dangerous.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:57:54pm

re: #149 Scottish Dragon

Andrew Sullivan has beshat himself.

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You can’t teach American slavery without acknowledging white supremacy’s omnipresence.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 20, 2019 • 12:59:12pm
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plansbandc  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:00:08pm

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:00:18pm

Would “Cats” have been less uncanny valley creepy if it was a Pixar-type animation?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:02:34pm

re: #164 The Pie Overlord!

Would “Cats” have been less uncanny valley creepy if it was a Pixar-type animation?

I recall reading that years and years ago, there was an idea to make an animated film out of “Cats” but then it got stuck in development hell and eventually, the idea was dropped.

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Jay C  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:05:30pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

You can’t teach American slavery without acknowledging white supremacy’s omnipresence.

Well, you can: if you deliberately distort history to minimize it. IOW, like the most of American History has been taught since, like, forever.

It seems to fairly common on the Right: I saw this yesterday while reading Rod Dreher’s transphobic gibberish: he spared a stock gripe about the New York Times’ “1619 Project”, bitching that it posited “America as a slaveocracy” - a concept he seemed to be quite offended by…..

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:06:17pm

re: #163 plansbandc

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I don’t disagree with them on everything but libertarians have some of the worst hot takes to societal problems. They’re very dogmatic like tankies.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:06:46pm

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

Not to mention that the Mercator Projection minimizes the size of the African continent.

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Obligatory:

Why are we changing maps? (from The West Wing)

“What the hell is that?”
“That’s where you’ve been living this whole time.”

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:08:12pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

You can’t teach American slavery without acknowledging white supremacy’s omnipresence.

If you want to see how it’s done, check out a history book published for the evangelical home schooling set.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:09:41pm

re: #169 Teddy’s Person

If you want to see how it’s done, check out a history book published for the evangelical home schooling set.

Or probably any history book used in Texas. I’m sure they would never mention that one reason the Texan Rebellion started was that Mexico was outlawing slavery.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:10:40pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

I don’t disagree with them on everything but libertarians have some of the worst hot takes to societal problems. They’re very dogmatic like tankies.

a whole lot of the libertarian movement is extrapolating “keep my taxes low and leave me the fuck alone” to things where that doesn’t really work. nor does it help that a lot of people within the movement think they’re smarter than average.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:10:43pm

re: #164 The Pie Overlord!

Yes - if they did voiceovers, instead of “live action” it would eliminate much of the visual mess that it makes, but the story remains awful/nonexistent as it was in the Broadway show.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:11:14pm

re: #166 Jay C

Well, you can: if you deliberately distort history to minimize it. IOW, like the most of American History has been taught since, like, forever.

It seems to fairly common on the Right: I saw this yesterday while reading Rod Dreher’s transphobic gibberish: he spared a stock gripe about the New York Times’ “1619 Project”, bitching that it posited “America as a slaveocracy” - a concept he seemed to be quite offended by…..

I’m a Virginian as you know. Slavery built this state first as a colony and then a state. You just can’t escape it. People like Dreher hurt society by acting like we should just ignore things. There’s a reason why the unfortunate African Americans caught by the CSA during the war were treated so cruelly. There’s a reason why Jefferson’s white heirs fought so hard to deny Sally Hemings mothered his kids.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:11:44pm

re: #169 Teddy’s Person

If you want to see how it’s done, check out a history book published for the evangelical home schooling set.

Agh. I don’t want to know.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:13:33pm

re: #58 Teddy’s Person

Until this incident, I had never heard of the circle game. Does anyone know when this became a thing?

One minute after the picture went public

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:13:46pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I’m a Virginian as you know. Slavery built this state first as a colony and then a state. You just can’t escape it. People like Dreher hurt society by acting like we should just ignore things. There’s a reason why the unfortunate African Americans caught by the CSA during the war were treated so cruelly. There’s a reason why Jefferson’s white heirs fought so hard to deny Sally Hemings fathered his kids.

Ah… doesn’t that last sentence need slight rewording.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:13:58pm

re: #156 KGxvi

“eh, fuck it, let’s see what happens…”

The Big Bang Theory: Elevator (Clip) | TBS

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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:16:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:18:35pm

re: #171 KGxvi

a whole lot of the libertarian movement is extrapolating “keep my taxes low and leave me the fuck alone” to things where that doesn’t really work. nor does it help that a lot of people within the movement think they’re smarter than average.

That’s the best take on the movement I’ve seen. It’s an easy enough basic philosophy to get. But the smugness especially on the economic matters because a lot of em fancy themselves enlightened because they can cite Hayek in discussion when they’re really no more smarter than the average person in economic matters. They’re really in a way like doctrinaire Marxists. Legalize and privatize everything. They get why police brutality is a problem but they thumb their noses at those who think privatized prisons are shady af. Always mistrusting of any government but willing to let business misdeeds go unpunished.

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steve_davis  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:19:36pm

re: #108 Flying Squirrel Girl

And here’s a good point regarding the West Point controversy:

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look, i understand there’s undoubtedly some endemic racism built into the military hierarchy, but West Point kids are the absolutely best fucking kids in the country. It is a complete meritocracy. You want to go to West Point or the Naval Academy? Make straight A’s in school. Do a shit ton of extracurricular stuff, to the point where your freaking senator is willing to write a letter of recommendation on your behalf. I am just remarkably skeptical that after having survived background checks, personal entrance interviews, and the esprits d’corps of the best officer training school in the world, the place is actually infested with a bunch of white supremacist crackers.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:19:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:20:59pm

re: #176 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Ah… doesn’t that last sentence need slight rewording.

I thought the white Randolph descendants fought the Hemings descendants for acknowledgement. Jefferson left the Hemings children out of his will iirc. I’m an idiot. Sorry. Sleep pattern is way off.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:22:30pm

re: #181 Dread Pirate

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They’re going to people who would believe it if FNC told them Trump cured cancer.

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A Cranky One  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:22:55pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I thought the white Randolph descendants fought the Hemings descendants for acknowledgement. Jefferson left the Hemings children out of his will iirc.

Sally didn’t “father” his children.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:23:39pm

re: #184 A Cranky One

Sally didn’t “father” his children.

Oops. Sorry. I’m a bit dopey.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:24:22pm

Hah sorry. It’s really been stressful here as you all know.

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A Cranky One  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:25:30pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Hah sorry. It’s really been stressful here as you all know.

No worries. Take care of yourself!

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:27:14pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Agh. I don’t want to know.

We analyzed one in a class for grad school. If I recall correctly, the textbook didn’t even mention slavery. I’ll have to poke around in my files to see if I kept anything from that class.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:28:19pm

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The whole point of the White Power hand gesture is that it is easily brushed off when it is caught out. It makes them think they are being really cunning and getting one over on the Litbards

They are cowards
Afraid to stand up unequivocally for what they “believe”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:30:40pm

re: #188 Teddy’s Person

We analyzed one in a class for grad school. If I recall correctly, the textbook didn’t even mention slavery. I’ll have to poke around in my files to see if I kept anything from that class.

We thankfully learned Virginia history in school so when I heard 1619 project, I immediately got the reference to Jamestown. What’s unfortunate though is we never learned about the role of The Byrd Organization here in preserving Jim Crow. Senator Kaine’s father in law and a Republican at that was one of the first Virginia governors to support integration. He’s now a Democrat.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:31:15pm

re: #170 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Or probably any history book used in Texas. I’m sure they would never mention that one reason the Texan Rebellion started was that Mexico was outlawing slavery.

And the Civil War was all about tariffs and states’ rights…

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:31:40pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I thought the white Randolph descendants fought the Hemings descendants for acknowledgement. Jefferson left the Hemings children out of his will iirc.

This is a great book that lays out all the ways Jefferson’s white family tried to dodge the rumors of the Hemmings kids’ paternity.

Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings: An American Controversy by Annette Gordon-Reed

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:33:23pm

re: #180 steve_davis

Thanks to the Trump administration emboldening this kind of behavior I’ve learned that a LOT of institutions are actually infested with white supremacists, so I don’t doubt that West Point could be as well. As was pointed out, the circle game involves punching the person who looked at the circle. So who were these cadets going to punch since they were doing it on TV? Or is the circle game excuse just plausible deniability? “You guys get upset at everything LOL, I was just making the OK sign/playing the circle game/etc.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:35:27pm

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And the Civil War was all about tariffs and states’ rights…

Even ours sort of forgot to mention that secession began before Lincoln even took office. Virginia seceded after Lincoln was President and blamed his actions for that but wtf was he supposed to do after Fort Sumter was fired on? And as much as they try to portray Lee as noble for staying with his state, Virginia had plenty of unionists including some fine generals and even Stonewall Jackson’s sister.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:37:08pm

jfc

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Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:38:04pm

re: #195 The Pie Overlord!

jfc

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He really does sound every bit like the snotty little shit that he is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:39:06pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Even ours sort of forgot to mention that secession began before Lincoln even took office. Virginia seceded after Lincoln was President and blamed his actions for that but wtf was he supposed to do after Fort Sumter was fired on? And as much as they try to portray Lee as noble for staying with his state, Virginia had plenty of unionists including some fine generals and even Stonewall Jackson’s sister.

Whenever the revisionists get going on all about they culchah an’ heyritage, I pull out this quote from Virginia-born Union General George “The Rock of Chickamauga” Thomas:

Efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:39:32pm

re: #195 The Pie Overlord!

jfc

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Not for her personal political gain..
for the good of the nation

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:39:47pm

re: #195 The Pie Overlord!

jfc

This is revealing. Implies to me he doesn’t know that Congress members can’t be impeached. They can be expelled or censured sure. Really. I have never seen such a fundamentally flawed understanding of civics from a President. Not to mention, I’M NOT IMPEACHED, YOU’RE IMPEACHED.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:40:22pm

re: #198 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Nancy Pelosi is looking for a Quid Pro Quo with the Senate. Why aren’t we Impeaching her?

I really believe he is that fucking dumb and not just bandying about a talking point.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:41:04pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:42:48pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

This is revealing. Implies to me he doesn’t know that Congress members can’t be impeached. They can be expelled or censured sure. Really. I have never seen such a fundamentally flawed understanding of civics from a President. Not to mention, I’M NOT IMPEACHED, YOU’RE IMPEACHED.

Most of the rs have been spouting such constitutional nonsense I wonder about them too.
Though I’m pretty sure most of them know they are wildly spinning (ok lying)

Trump never read it and if he did, he certainly didn’t study it. He’s no con scholar

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:44:22pm

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really believe he is that fucking dumb and not just bandying about a talking point.

It’s embarrassing how ingnorat our prez is about so many things not even job related

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:44:48pm

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Whenever the revisionists get going on all about they culchah an’ heyritage, I pull out this quote from Virginia-born Union General George “The Rock of Chickamauga” Thomas:

Efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism.

Poor guy got the stink eye from his family but he was a patriot. Lee was not. Lee didn’t take his oath to the commonwealth of Virginia. I love Virginia too but Virginia was wrong in seceding and he knew that. He chose his state and his personal interests (slavery) over his nation’s and morality. Southern propaganda really is why Lee is not properly understood today. It doesn’t change that he definitely had some skill as a general but he benefited too from poor generalmanship from his counterparts. Until the Richmond campaign, I’d argue the best counterpart he faced in the Eastern Theater was Meade. McCllelan was way too cautious and Hooker, McDowell, and Burnside were not commanders of entire armies which is why Chancellorsville, Bull Run, and Fredericksburg were disasters. That also helped the Jackson legend too. IMO the CSA general that doesn’t get the respect he deserves is Longstreet. They still taught his defensive techniques at West Point well into the 40’s but Longstreet was hated by the Southern friendly writers because he became a Republican, Catholic, criticized Lee in his memoirs, and took a job in the Grant administration.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:45:47pm

the first two of a long thread

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:46:04pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

I apologize for thinking George W. Bush was as dumb as a President could be. This guy is dumb.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:46:11pm

re: #195 The Pie Overlord!

jfc

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Just your most recent reminder that Fuckface can be manipulated with an ease heretofore unknown from a President. I wonder if he’s actually ever negotiated an objectively good deal at anything. He’s probably fallen ass backwards into a couple. Maybe.

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Nyet  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:47:57pm

re: #193 Flying Squirrel Girl

Thanks to the Trump administration emboldening this kind of behavior I’ve learned that a LOT of institutions are actually infested with white supremacists, so I don’t doubt that West Point could be as well. As was pointed out, the circle game involves punching the person who looked at the circle. So who were these cadets going to punch since they were doing it on TV? Or is the circle game excuse just plausible deniability? “You guys get upset at everything LOL, I was just making the OK sign/playing the circle game/etc.”

In this book on p. 55 there’s a punchless version:

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:48:23pm

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Another reason why I’ll post in Twitter about the Confederacy and their revisionist progeny that they launched an insurrection and secession from the Union to protect their right to own slaves and the institution of slavery.

It should be referred to as the War of Southern Insurrection or War (as far too many in the South consider it the War of Northern Aggression - which itself is a lie as the first shots were fired by the South against the Union at Fort Sumter).

Statues and monuments should be taken down. We don’t give awards for second place losers of a war whose antagonists started to protect the right to own slaves. We don’t fly their flag as a badge of honor. It’s one of shameful history and one that needs to be treated accordingly.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:48:57pm

re: #203 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

It’s embarrassing how ingnorat our prez is about so many things not even job related

We know he didn’t pay attention in his briefings. It’s an easy bet that he didn’t in any classes relating to government either. He’s simply not informed about what his job does. I really think so much of his political existence is the ultimate publicity stunt and him being annoyed that Obama mocked him and that the people nearby him in his NYC days rightfully saw him as a pompous joke.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:51:39pm

re: #209 lawhawk

Another reason why I’ll post in Twitter about the Confederacy and their revisionist progeny that they launched an insurrection and secession from the Union to protect their right to own slaves and the institution of slavery.

It should be referred to as the War of Southern Insurrection or War (as far too many in the South consider it the War of Northern Aggression - which itself is a lie as the first shots were fired by the South against the Union at Fort Sumter).

Statues and monuments should be taken down. We don’t give awards for second place losers of a war whose antagonists started to protect the right to own slaves. We don’t fly their flag as a badge of honor. It’s one of shameful history and one that needs to be treated accordingly.

And you know what, as much as I see Republicans like to pant themselves on the back for not being the party of slavery and secession, the post war Republican presidents outside of Grant really dropped the ball in protecting the African-Americans that stayed in the South and that was the vast majority of the population until the Great Migration began. The Republican Party after Reconstruction had presidents uninterested in doing much on the inhumane way African-Americans were treated in the South.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:53:30pm

Another “hero” of the Republican Party.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:54:28pm

re: #212 DodgerFan1988

Stochastic terrorist Trump has another victim.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:55:58pm

I think about it. I think the North really just wanted to move on. And I get why that happens after a long, bloody war but whereas you had friendly reunions at Gettysburg well into the early 20th century between white CSA and Union vets, the surviving black Union vets had to worry about offending the local Southern governments, the Klan, or really any white person with power in the South. That’s what makes the takes defending Emmett Till’s lynching so absurd. He was a child. Even if that whistling story was true which we now know it is not, the fact that it was used to murder a child. And you know what, we still see relics of that today when people try to justfiy the Treyvon Martin murder because of Treyvon either having smoked pot or gotten in trouble at school, all things that happen with children of all racial backgrounds at that age but go out of their way to talk about the white kid credibly accused of rape of “Being a good kid aside from that” as if rape isn’t a horrible crime not deserving of punishment by the law.

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Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:56:55pm

What we’ve really discovered in the past 48 hours is that, despite the constant refrain for much of the past three years, Trump never wanted to be impeached and doing so was not “playing into his hands.” What he wanted was to be “acquitted,” particularly for the Russia investigation, because then he could run in 2020 on the lie that he was the “victim” of a partisan conspiracy that had failed to remove him in a “coup.” And it’s driving him nuts that the woman he once believed would never impeach him is now standing in the way of that “acquittal.”

I don’t imagine that life is very good for Sen. Yertle right now, with Donny screaming in one ear and his wife screaming in the other about scrutiny finally falling upon her obvious influence peddling.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:57:04pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

That’s the best take on the movement I’ve seen. It’s an easy enough basic philosophy to get. But the smugness especially on the economic matters because a lot of em fancy themselves enlightened because they can cite Hayek in discussion when they’re really no more smarter than the average person in economic matters. They’re really in a way like doctrinaire Marxists. Legalize and privatize everything. They get why police brutality is a problem but they thumb their noses at those who think privatized prisons are shady af. Always mistrusting of any government but willing to let business misdeeds go unpunished.

It’s not just legalize and privatize, it’s legalize, privatize, and don’t regulate. Which misses the whole idea of ordered liberty that Hamilton talked about. They see government as “tyranny vs liberty” and don’t recognize that the opposite of tyranny isn’t liberty but license (or anarchy, whichever term you’d prefer). One of these days, I’m going to write a political philosophy book called ‘the balance of liberty”.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:57:20pm

re: #212 DodgerFan1988

Another “hero” of the Republican Party.

I won’t lie. I really worry for my niece sometimes in Trump’s America. Nothing’s ever happened but I don’t want her to be ashamed to share she speaks Spanish and is a Hispanic-American. And that’s what Trump has inspired. This whole idea that Hispanics are criminals.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:57:38pm

re: #209 lawhawk

Another reason why I’ll post in Twitter about the Confederacy and their revisionist progeny that they launched an insurrection and secession from the Union to protect their right to own slaves and the institution of slavery.

It should be referred to as the War of Southern Insurrection or War (as far too many in the South consider it the War of Northern Aggression - which itself is a lie as the first shots were fired by the South against the Union at Fort Sumter).

Statues and monuments should be taken down. We don’t give awards for second place losers of a war whose antagonists started to protect the right to own slaves. We don’t fly their flag as a badge of honor. It’s one of shameful history and one that needs to be treated accordingly.

I like the phrase “the War of Southern Treason”, personally.

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2019 • 1:58:49pm

re: #141 Dread Pirate

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It gave the wealthy a lot more money for their offshore accounts (5% of which will be recycled into donations for Republican senators.) It gave publicly traded companies a bunch of money they used for stock buy-backs, raising their share price (which is often the criteria by which senior management bonuses are calculated), and again 5% will be recycled back into donations to Republican senators.

I’d say it’s working exactly as intended.

Extra icing is how much it costs Californians and New Yorkers/New Jerseyites by fucking with their SALT deductions.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:00:18pm

re: #216 KGxvi

It’s not just legalize and privatize, it’s legalize, privatize, and don’t regulate. Which misses the whole idea of ordered liberty that Hamilton talked about. They see government as “tyranny vs liberty” and don’t recognize that the opposite of tyranny isn’t liberty but license (or anarchy, whichever term you’d prefer). One of these days, I’m going to write a political philosophy book called ‘the balance of liberty”.

Yeah the lack of regulations is another. As I said, they just have some really bad hot takes. As I’ve mentioned, I know some libertarians and I don’t always disagree but there’s no understanding on to why maybe schools don’t want kids vaping. If someone’s over 18, I’m fine with them doing whatever they want in regards to that the same way I am pot, booze, and cigs. Plus their attitude on immigration bothers me. They may not be nativist but they seem okay with a permanent underclass that isn’t paid well because paying them well that would hurt business.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:01:46pm

re: #195 The Pie Overlord!

jfc

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What the fuck is he blabbering on about now?

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:02:01pm

re: #208 Nyet

In the age of Trump, I’m not inclined to give them benefit of the doubt. Were they really playing a game on live TV, or jumping at the chance to flash a WP symbol on live TV? In my opinion, it is the latter.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:03:19pm

re: #222 Flying Squirrel Girl

In the age of Trump, I’m not inclined to give them benefit of the doubt. Were they really playing a game on live TV, or jumping at the chance to flash a WP symbol on live TV? In my opinion, it is the latter.

The fact that we don’t know one way or the other is part of the problem. Honestly, I don’t know what the symbol’s original intention was but this childish trolling bullshit is just ridiculous. It’s not funny or edgy like they think it is. It just makes them look like dickbags.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:04:54pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

I apologize for thinking George W. Bush was as dumb as a President could be. This guy is dumb.

Then he was
Now he isnt

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:05:54pm

re: #224 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Then he was
Now he isnt

Hell, Trump almost makes Bush look like an accomplished statesman.

ALMOST.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:06:41pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

One possibility: ignorant of the news about white supremacists, which would be a major flaw for a potential future officer.
Second possibility: perfectly aware and engaged in a white supremacist troll, which should be disqualifying for future leadership roles.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:06:48pm

American Justice. Land of the white and home of the rich.

Judge delays Roger Stone’s sentencing until Feb. 20

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:08:14pm

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

Hell, Trump almost makes Bush look like an accomplished statesman.

ALMOST.

I mean Bush belongs in the bottom tier of Presidents for good reason but can you imagine him praising Kim Jong Un for having beautiful letters like that? I mean as I said, give the man the scorn he gets but Trump really stands alone in how clueless he is.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:08:40pm

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

Hell, Trump almost makes Bush look like an accomplished statesman.

ALMOST.

Then you remember he said shit like this

“Too many OB/GYN’s aren’t able to practice their love with women all across the country.”
― George W. Bush

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:10:25pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

We know he didn’t pay attention in his briefings. It’s an easy bet that he didn’t in any classes relating to government either. He’s simply not informed about what his job does. I really think so much of his political existence is the ultimate publicity stunt and him being annoyed that Obama mocked him and that the people nearby him in his NYC days rightfully saw him as a pompous joke.

History will definitely see him as hand waving and misdirection vs scholarship and deep analysis

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:10:29pm

re: #172 lawhawk

Yes - if they did voiceovers, instead of “live action” it would eliminate much of the visual mess that it makes, but the story remains awful/nonexistent as it was in the Broadway show.

I wouldn’t care how bad the story is, if they’d had costumes I liked.

Good costumes and good songs would be enough to make it an everlasting repeat kind of film for me. No story needed.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:10:37pm

re: #229 Teddy’s Person

Then you remember he said shit like this

“Too many OB/GYN’s aren’t able to practice their love with women all across the country.”
― George W. Bush

I really think he talked before he thought a lot. I’m not saying W is smart but I think some of it was more like Biden than we may think. I do think one thing is for sure. W had no business being President and he wouldn’t have been President if his father who certainly was a smart guy (honestly the most intelligent Republican standard bearer since Nixon) but I don’t see him as absurdly stupid the way Trump is.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:10:46pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Yeah the lack of regulations is another. As I said, they just have some really bad hot takes. As I’ve mentioned, I know some libertarians and I don’t always disagree but there’s no understanding on to why maybe schools don’t want kids vaping. If someone’s over 18, I’m fine with them doing whatever they want in regards to that the same way I am pot, booze, and cigs. Plus their attitude on immigration bothers me. They may not be nativist but they seem okay with a permanent underclass that isn’t paid well because paying them well that would hurt business.

In the aughts, when I was much more tapped into the discussions among libertarians there were two hot spots where the No True Scotsman would appear:

1. abortion. it used to be that if you were pro-life you couldn’t be considered a libertarian because you were telling other people what they could or couldn’t do with their bodies.

2. immigration. there was a lot more talk about the free movement of people and not having restrictions on the right to work

It got really weird in the late Bush years because so many people didn’t want to be part of the “conservative” movement they tried to take over the libertarian one.

Around that time I went to bed one night as a center-right libertarian and woke up a center-left libertarian.

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Weaselone  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:11:43pm

re: #180 steve_davis

look, i understand there’s undoubtedly some endemic racism built into the military hierarchy, but West Point kids are the absolutely best fucking kids in the country. It is a complete meritocracy. You want to go to West Point or the Naval Academy? Make straight A’s in school. Do a shit ton of extracurricular stuff, to the point where your freaking senator is willing to write a letter of recommendation on your behalf. I am just remarkably skeptical that after having survived background checks, personal entrance interviews, and the esprits d’corps of the best officer training school in the world, the place is actually infested with a bunch of white supremacist crackers.

1. So your contention is that the screening process is sufficient to remove racists, but porous enough to allow individuals who would engage in juvenile punching games on national television through.

2. Many elite universities also require straight As, heavy/exemplary extra curricular activities and solid recommendations. Am I to assume that means any graduate of these institutions is also free of racism?

3. Something around half of our US Senators are racist crackers. Their endorsement means little.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:11:44pm

re: #230 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

History will definitely see him as hand waving and misdirection vs scholarship and deep analysis

Do you remember when we used to hear that Obama and even Bush were reading particular books? There’s not a scholastic bone in Trump’s body. No curiousness to the the world beyond how he benefits.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:14:19pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I mean Bush belongs in the bottom tier of Presidents for good reason but can you imagine him praising Kim Jong Un for having beautiful letters like that? I mean as I said, give the man the scorn he gets but Trump really stands alone in how clueless he is.

Bush had some reasonably smart people around him and guiding him
(I did say some)

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:15:03pm

re: #180 steve_davis

look, i understand there’s undoubtedly some endemic racism built into the military hierarchy, but West Point kids are the absolutely best fucking kids in the country. It is a complete meritocracy. You want to go to West Point or the Naval Academy? Make straight A’s in school. Do a shit ton of extracurricular stuff, to the point where your freaking senator is willing to write a letter of recommendation on your behalf. I am just remarkably skeptical that after having survived background checks, personal entrance interviews, and the esprits d’corps of the best officer training school in the world, the place is actually infested with a bunch of white supremacist crackers.

Counterpoint: Mike Pompeo is a West Point grad.

And the senator’s or congressman’s recommendation — what sort of people would a Steve King or Louie Gohmert or Mitch McConnell be likely to recommend?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:15:04pm

I’m no W fan, but the one thing I always did respect him for is that he treated Hispanics very fairly.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:15:45pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I really think he talked before he thought a lot. I’m not saying W is smart but I think some of it was more like Biden than we may think. I do think one thing is for sure. W had no business being President and he wouldn’t have been President if his father who certainly was a smart guy (honestly the most intelligent Republican standard bearer since Nixon) but I don’t see him as absurdly stupid the way Trump is.

To me, the biggest difference between W and Trump is W knew he wasn’t the brightest bulb in the box and embraced the idea of Rove being “Bush’s Brain.” Trump is an intellectually incurious narcissist who thinks he knows every thing there is worth knowing.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:17:40pm

re: #239 Teddy’s Person

To me, the biggest difference between W and Trump is W knew he wasn’t the brightest bulb in the box and embraced the idea of Rove being “Bush’s Brain.” Trump is an intellectually incurious narcissist who thinks he knows every thing there is worth knowing.

Ummmm

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:17:54pm

re: #233 KGxvi

In the aughts, when I was much more tapped into the discussions among libertarians there were two hot spots where the No True Scotsman would appear:

1. abortion. it used to be that if you were pro-life you couldn’t be considered a libertarian because you were telling other people what they could or couldn’t do with their bodies.

2. immigration. there was a lot more talk about the free movement of people and not having restrictions on the right to work

It got really weird in the late Bush years because so many people didn’t want to be part of the “conservative” movement they tried to take over the libertarian one.

Around that time I went to bed one night as a center-right libertarian and woke up a center-left libertarian.

I had a lot of exposure to them since GMU’s economics program is famous for them and I worked with a couple economics majors on the newspaper together. Nice enough people but really just so absolutist on economics. Most of the left wingers I knew in college were more pragmatic. There were a few die hard leftists but most of the libertarians I met were dyed in the wool about things like ACA being awful awful legislation. Plus from what I learned from one of the few left of center people in the economics majors, they weren’t really given too much head room for free thought on academic papers. I never had that problem in the history department. That’s why I get amused at brobertarians who act like they’re the guardians of free speech. I’ve seen how libertarian institutions deal with dissenting thoughts. They’re not authortarian but dismissive and have I think unfortunately a bit of an oligarchical world view. Where wealth determines a person’s selfworth.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:19:54pm

re: #239 Teddy’s Person

To me, the biggest difference between W and Trump is W knew he wasn’t the brightest bulb in the box and embraced the idea of Rove being “Bush’s Brain.” Trump is an intellectually incurious narcissist who thinks he knows every thing there is worth knowing.

That is a key difference. Hell I think what bugged me was he was too aware of it sometimes. I remember one time he told the C students of the world they too could be President and it annoyed me given his pedigree. I don’t remember W ever being outright malicious to his opponents but he just had a cluelnessness that often annoyed me. Iraq on the heels of Afghanistan is another example. And he definitely had no problem smearing the critics of the Iraq War through his allies including a lot of the now Trump right wingers who insist they’re against “intervention” which of course bothered me too.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:21:00pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

I had a lot of exposure to them since GMU’s economics program is famous for them and I worked with a couple economics majors on the newspaper together. Nice enough people but really just so absolutist on economics. Most of the left wingers I knew in college were more pragmatic. There were a few die hard leftists but most of the libertarians I met were dyed in the wool about things like ACA being awful awful legislation. Plus from what I learned from one of the few left of center people in the economics majors, they weren’t really given too much head room for free thought on academic papers. I never had that problem in the history department. That’s why I get amused at brobertarians who act like they’re the guardians of free speech. I’ve seen how libertarian institutions deal with dissenting thoughts. They’re not authortarian but dismissive and have I think unfortunately a bit of an oligarchical world view. Where wealth determines a person’s selfworth.

As I posted before, when I was an undergrad at Pitt in the 70s, the Economics department was split between Milton Friedman’s Monetarists and Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalist Libertarians.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:22:01pm

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

And if Trump’s not re-elected, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw resignations en masse from not only CBP but ICE as well.

Put an exit sign over the entrance to a large cage. Once they are all in, they will each have a chance to prove they committed no crimes against humanity.

Eventually.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:22:58pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

That is a key difference. Hell I think what bugged me was he was too aware of it sometimes. I remember one time he told the C students of the world they too could be President and it annoyed me given his pedigree. I don’t remember W ever being outright malicious to his opponents but he just had a cluelnessness that often annoyed me. Iraq on the heels of Afghanistan is another example. And he definitely had no problem smearing the critics of the Iraq War which of course bothered me too.

Rove was really successful in branding W as an aw-shucks good ole boy. The original candidate you’d like to have a beer with.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:24:46pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:25:20pm

re: #212 DodgerFan1988

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Another “hero” of the Republican Party.

She looks like a relative of Iowa’s white nationalist congressman Steve King

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steve_davis  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:27:10pm

re: #226 jaunte

One possibility: ignorant of the news about white supremacists, which would be a major flaw for a potential future officer.
Second possibility: perfectly aware and engaged in a white supremacist troll, which should be disqualifying for future leadership roles.

third possibility: they’re a bunch of 18 year olds who don’t know white supremacist memes because that is something that has just never occurred to any of them. And yes, 18 year olds are remarkably oblivious of current events—even ones who come out of really good prep schools and wind up in my classes. They don’t watch news. They don’t read news. My students look at me blankly when I mention television that was on 10 years ago. They were 8 years old at that time. They don’t know what The Wire is. They’ve never seen the Sopranos. The vast majority have no idea who Elton John is, or an ability to name the presidents in order after, say, Franklin Roosevelt.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:27:51pm

re: #243 Joe Bacon 🌹

As I posted before, when I was an undergrad at Pitt in the 70s, the Economics department was split between Milton Friedman’s Monetarists and Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalist Libertarians.

I’ve always been fascinated about the divides within movements Joe. One of my favorite things to learn about was the Sino-Soviet split. I took classes from both sides of it- the Chinese and Soviet.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:28:57pm

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Nyet  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:30:53pm

re: #248 steve_davis

This meme is new and spreads through the internet.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:32:16pm

re: #245 Teddy’s Person

Rove was really successful in branding W as an aw-shucks good ole boy. The original candidate you’d like to have a beer with.

And it worked. And you know what, I could probably be civil to Bush if I ever met him. I get why people were pissed off at Ellen for saying what she said obviously but I get why people like her and Michele Obama have pointed him out as a person especially Michele. Michele dealt with a lot of ugliness from the right wing media but the Bushes to their credit were cordial to the Obamas from the start. That’s what I think people need to consider when they get upset at Michelle for declaring W her friend. The Obamas took a lot of shit from a lot of people for not doing the “right” thing but Laura and Dubya didn’t engage in that. Obviously I know Dubya disagreed with Obama’s policies but I never got the impression that he thought less of Obama as a person the way Romney did and certainly Trump does. I think McCain was a bit jealous of Obama but not contempt.

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steve_davis  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:33:18pm

re: #234 Weaselone

1. So your contention is that the screening process is sufficient to remove racists, but porous enough to allow individuals who would engage in juvenile punching games on national television through.

2. Many elite universities also require straight As, heavy/exemplary extra curricular activities and solid recommendations. Am I to assume that means any graduate of these institutions is also free of racism?

3. Something around half of our US Senators are racist crackers. Their endorsement means little.

1. Yes, the screening process is the most rigorous of any university in this country. Elitism, yes. Racism? Skeptical. 50 years ago? Sure. Completely different culture. Today? Seriously? No. Not at the service academies.

2. Jesus Christ. You’ve known me on this board for how long now? And you seriously imagine that I said something suggesting that “any graduate of these institutions is also free of racism”? Come on. As Capablanca said to Nimzovitch during a chess game, “Please make better moves.”

3. Okay, giving up now. Not worth my time.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:33:51pm

re: #248 steve_davis

They don’t know what The Wire is. They’ve never seen the Sopranos. The vast majority have no idea who Elton John is, or an ability to name the presidents in order after, say, Franklin Roosevelt.

Which makes it even more incredulous that they know a game that was played when I was in high school and college 25 years ago.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:41:54pm

I remember hearing that the Air Force Academy had a problem, not so much with white supremacy, but with Dominionists (I’m sure there’s some overlap there). I have a friend who just took a job in the English dept. there. She said that the guy who hired her discussed this and said it isn’t a problem now. All anecdotal, I know.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:44:26pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

And it worked. And you know what, I could probably be civil to Bush if I ever met him. I get why people were pissed off at Ellen for saying what she said obviously but I get why people like her and Michele Obama have pointed him out as a person especially Michele. Michele dealt with a lot of ugliness from the right wing media but the Bushes to their credit were cordial to the Obamas from the start. That’s what I think people need to consider when they get upset at Michelle for declaring W her friend. The Obamas took a lot of shit from a lot of people for not doing the “right” thing but Laura and Dubya didn’t engage in that. Obviously I know Dubya disagreed with Obama’s policies but I never got the impression that he thought less of Obama as a person the way Romney did and certainly Trump does. I think McCain was a bit jealous of Obama but not contempt.

Personally, I wouldn’t piss on W if he was on fire. I see Michele and Ellen differently. The Bushes and Obamas are part of the elite club of former presidents and first ladies and have to behave a particular way at public events. Ellen, on the other hand, has no such obligations and cultivates a personality of being upbeat and positive. I just wish she’d not engage in rehabilitating the guy who lied us into a war.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:45:46pm

re: #256 Teddy’s Person

Personally, I wouldn’t piss on W if he was on fire. I see Michele and Ellen differently. The Bushes and Obamas are part of the elite club of former presidents and first ladies and have to behave a particular way at public events. Ellen, on the other hand, has no such obligations and cultivates a personality of being upbeat and positive. I just wish she’d not engage in rehabilitating the guy who lied us into a war.

I get both sides of Ellen. I really wish W would start acknowledging his fuck ups. That could go a long way.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:48:11pm

re: #122 Teddy’s Person

I think someone wants grandbabies.

President Obama gracefully walked up and asked to hold my niece Riley. He was golfing in Hawaii. My niece is the GOAT period.

Could we please stop posting videos of our President being a mensch until we have unburdened ourselves of the Current Embarrassment? The dissonance is…uncomfortable.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:48:23pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I get both sides of Ellen. I really wish W would start acknowledging his fuck ups. That could go a long way.

Maybe he could paint a mural called my many fuck ups.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:49:10pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

Could we please stop posting videos of our President being a mensch until we have unburdened ourselves of the Current Embarrassment? The dissonance is…uncomfortable.

Well sometimes it is good to remember what we lost.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:52:54pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

Could we please stop posting videos of our President being a mensch until we have unburdened ourselves of the Current Embarrassment? The dissonance is…uncomfortable.

I sometimes wonder if Trump’s election wouldn’t have been so shocking if he replaced Bush instead of Obama and come to the conclusion that I would have been just as shocked (I spent election night texting variations of wtf to my friend).

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:53:40pm

re: #256 Teddy’s Person

Personally, I wouldn’t piss on W if he was on fire. I see Michele and Ellen differently. The Bushes and Obamas are part of the elite club of former presidents and first ladies and have to behave a particular way at public events. Ellen, on the other hand, has no such obligations and cultivates a personality of being upbeat and positive. I just wish she’d not engage in rehabilitating the guy who lied us into a war.

Bush is and will always be a war criminal. Don’t matter if you call it enhanced interrogation. So yeah, I would also be conserving my urine.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:54:10pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Well sometimes it is good to remember what we lost.

When I’ve feeling particularly masochistic, I rewatch Obama singing Amazing Grace and have a good cry.

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Nyet  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:54:35pm

re: #262 Jebediah, RBG

Bush is and will always be a war criminal. Don’t matter if you call it enhanced interrogation. So yeah, I would also be conserving my urine.

Despite all Trump is doing, Bush is still responsible for many more deaths…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:55:19pm

re: #264 Nyet

Despite all Trump is doing, Bush is still responsible for many more deaths…

So far, at least.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:55:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:56:20pm

re: #263 Teddy’s Person

When I’ve feeling particularly masochistic, I rewatch Obama singing Amazing Grace and have a good cry.

I listened to both his and Michelle’s memoir on Audible. It was just so good to hear their voices again. Good people. Really. I really wish I had volunteered for the Obama campaigns but I never did. I was transferring to college in 2008 and I had recently graduated in 2012 so no time really focus on politics which I wasn’t really doing in 2008 anyhow since 2004 had been such a disappointment for me since I thought no way Bush would lose.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:56:43pm

re: #264 Nyet

Despite all Trump is doing, Bush is still responsible for many more deaths…

That’s very true. I do fear though Trump may be causing more long term damage.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:57:21pm

re: #266 jaunte

Why, it’s almost like he’s uninterested in what actually happens to Ukraine.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:57:47pm

re: #265 Eclectic Cyborg

So far, at least.

I don’t see Trump as being the one who starts a war. I see Trump being the one whose ignorance leads to a war.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:58:23pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

The crimes are ongoing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:59:17pm

re: #261 Teddy’s Person

I sometimes wonder if Trump’s election wouldn’t have been so shocking if he replaced Bush instead of Obama and come to the conclusion that I would have been just as shocked (I spent election night texting variations of wtf to my friend).

Lincoln was between Buchanan and Johnson just like poor Obama got stuck between Dubya and Trump. I really think the purer than thou on the left had unrealistic expectations of Obama’s presidency.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 2:59:30pm

re: #271 jaunte

The crimes are ongoing.

Yep.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:01:14pm

re: #266 jaunte

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So, Trump’s under investigation for withholding aid from Ukraine, demands to be allowed to keep withholding aid from Ukraine and Congress goes along with it because otherwise Trump will burn it all down. We’re being held hostage by the world’s orangest toddler. How the fuck did we get here?

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Jay C  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:01:37pm

re: #215 Targetpractice

What we’ve really discovered in the past 48 hours is that, despite the constant refrain for much of the past three years, Trump never wanted to be impeached and doing so was not “playing into his hands.” What he wanted was to be “acquitted,” particularly for the Russia investigation, because then he could run in 2020 on the lie that he was the “victim” of a partisan conspiracy that had failed to remove him in a “coup.” And it’s driving him nuts that the woman he once believed would never impeach him is now standing in the way of that “acquittal.”

I don’t imagine that life is very good for Sen. Yertle right now, with Donny screaming in one ear and his wife screaming in the other about scrutiny finally falling upon her obvious influence peddling.

I truly hate to say it, but I think your “acquitted” scenario (or, as our Moron-in-Chief is likely to put it, COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY ACQUITTED!!!1!!!!11!!!) is still likely to be the Administration’s go-to talking-point for dealing with the whole impeachment mess, and that loud, repeated protestations of (COMPLETE INNOCENCE!!!), and blaming his political enemies (RADICAL LEFT-WING COMMIE ATHEIST TRAITORS!!!!!) for his (UNPRECEDENTED ILLEGAL HARASSMENT!!! and UNCONSTITUTIONAL COUP!!!!! ) is going to be the standard Trump/GOP “strategy” i.e. media blitz - from here on.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:03:02pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Lincoln was between Buchanan and Johnson just like poor Obama got stuck between Dubya and Trump. I really think the purer than thou on the left had unrealistic expectations of Obama’s presidency.

Oooh, nice historical analogy!

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plansbandc  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:07:51pm

Was expecting a few downdings for my libertarian post, TBH. I thought it was pretty funny, because whenever I take a test to determine my political leanings, it inevitably comes back solid libertarian.

I’m so NOT a libertarian. OK, maybe for a few seconds when I was a kid, but no. I want a lot less frivolous laws. I want much more personal freedom. But I also want my damn food inspected and the firemen to save my house if it goes up in flames.

Society works better with cooperation.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:08:35pm

re: #264 Nyet

Despite all Trump is doing, Bush is still responsible for many more deaths…

True, and I hope lots of people do not forget that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:10:27pm

re: #277 plansbandc

Was expecting a few downdings for my libertarian post, TBH. I thought it was pretty funny, because whenever I take a test to determine my political leanings, it inevitably comes back solid libertarian.

I’m so NOT a libertarian. OK, maybe for a few seconds when I was a kid, but no. I want a lot less frivolous laws. I want much more personal freedom. But I also want my damn food inspected and the firemen to save my house if it goes up in flames.

Society works better with cooperation.

Everyone has a bit of libertarian and socialist in them. To me the key is balance.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:11:50pm

re: #276 Teddy’s Person

Oooh, nice historical analogy!

It’s of course different since Johnson was Lincoln’s VP. I always wonder what history looks like if Lincoln keeps Hamlin as VP.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:12:50pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

It’s of course different since Johnson was Lincoln’s VP. I always wonder what history looks like if Lincoln keeps Hamlin as VP.

But the general point stands. An inspiring leader between two duds.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:13:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:14:32pm

re: #281 Teddy’s Person

But the general point stands. An inspiring leader between two duds.

Yeah I can’t think of any other time you had a great president sandwiched in between two awful ones.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:15:12pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

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Taking impeachment so well!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:16:36pm

re: #274 Teddy’s Person

So, Trump’s under investigation for withholding aid from Ukraine, demands to be allowed to keep withholding aid from Ukraine and Congress goes along with it because otherwise Trump will burn it all down. We’re being held hostage by the world’s orangest toddler. How the fuck did we get here?

Fox News.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:17:15pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

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The deluge of derp is unstoppable.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:23:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:25:35pm

re: #287 Dread Pirate

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Nice to hear but can’t help but to think what he be saying if he still had to answer to Republican voters.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:26:33pm

re: #287 Dread Pirate

He could have stuck around and fought for what he believed. Instead, Martha McSally will rubber-stamp whatever Mitch tells her to do.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:27:12pm

re: #287 Dread Pirate

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Thanks Jeff. If only you had been in some position to provide a check to Trump’s power, we wouldn’t be in this mess. ////

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:31:58pm

re: #289 i(m)p(each)sos

He could have stuck around and fought for what he believed. Instead, Martha McSally will rubber-stamp whatever Mitch tells her to do.

McSally is there because she replaced Kyl. Sinema won Flake’s seat but he’s definitely not a profile in courage.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:32:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:34:12pm

I’ll give Amash credit for first leaving the GOP and then not making any excuses for Trump. I don’t like him but he’s got integrity.

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Belafon  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:43:11pm

re: #31 lawhawk

Darth Vader is Luke’s Dad. Luke kissed his … .sister.

Obi Wan is a failure.

I blame Obiwan for everything that happened. He was a crappy mentor and it left scars for generations.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:45:39pm

re: #294 Belafon

I blame Obiwan for everything that happened. He was a crappy mentor and it left scars for generations.

In defense of Obi-Wan, he, like the rest of the Jedi, tried to warn Qui-Gon that Anakin was bad news. He ultimately agreed to train Anakin because of a promise made to a dying Qui-Gon.

Bascially, Obi-Wan took the gig because had that much respect for his master, not because he actually really wanted to do it.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 20, 2019 • 3:47:01pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:00:47pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:02:05pm

“I don’t have a dog in this race” is such a weird phrase. I would never put my dog in a race. Unless the race involved the dog thrusting its head into snow banks, pulling out a frozen turd, gobbling it up, and running on to the next turd-laden snow while pulling me across icy and dangerous surfaces. I’d bet on her in a heartbeat.
Edit: ok, now I’m worried I got the wrong idiom. Should it be “horse in this fight”? “Rooster in this race”? “Bernie in this bag”?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:04:38pm

re: #297 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I think I would call Miller the cruelest person in the admin, not necessarily the outright worst (that would probably be Trump).

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Belafon  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:04:50pm

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

Not to mention that the Mercator Projection minimizes the size of the African continent.

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My son is in geography, and had to learn a bunch of the maps and their problems.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:05:03pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:05:28pm
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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:08:38pm

re: #297 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Today, 25 Jewish Members of Congress called for the dismissal of White House Senior Advisor Stephen Miller for disseminating the views of hate groups supportive of white supremacy and virulently anti-immigrant tropes.

The letter to President Donald Trump was led by U.S. Representatives Brad Schneider (D-IL) and Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL), and signed by all Jewish Democratic Members of Congress.

“The recently released emails show Stephen Miller trafficking the views of white supremacist hate groups that espouse a repugnant and extreme anti-immigrant agenda,” said the letter’s co-leads Schneider and Wasserman Schultz. “These hateful views have no place in our government, much less just steps from the Oval Office. At this time of rising antisemitism, xenophobia, racism and white supremacy, we must forcefully call out and refuse to accept intolerance or hate anywhere within our government. … Source

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:08:52pm

re: #302 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I really hope Trump gets crushed in the rust belt next year.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:09:38pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:15:19pm

Our country is so f*cked up with these folk:

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Weaselone  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:18:20pm

re: #253 steve_davis

1. Yes, the screening process is the most rigorous of any university in this country. Elitism, yes. Racism? Skeptical. 50 years ago? Sure. Completely different culture. Today? Seriously? No. Not at the service academies.

2. Jesus Christ. You’ve known me on this board for how long now? And you seriously imagine that I said something suggesting that “any graduate of these institutions is also free of racism”? Come on. As Capablanca said to Nimzovitch during a chess game, “Please make better moves.”

3. Okay, giving up now. Not worth my time.

Sorry about that. I’m in a sort of snarky and cynical mood, so you got a significantly more sarcasm and snark than merited in my response. Short, more reasonable summary.

1. I don’t think that West Point is riddled with racists, but I think it’s a bit naive at this point to assume that any institution is going to be so thorough as to keep a few from slipping in through the cracks here and there. It’s also a bit unfair to hold them to that high of a standard, especially as it’s known that the military and law enforcement are targets for infiltration. The institutions aren’t going to be perfect in screening. What they do need to do is their best to keep them from entering and kick them out as soon as they reveal themselves.
2. I actually buy that this might have actually been a bunch of juvenile BS and 3 not West Point Cadets maliciously or ironically throwing white power signs. There’s also a fair point it was 3 West Point cadets throwing white power signs and West Point’s more than happy to push accept this excuse, not because they’re into tolerating racism, but rather because they’re engaged in a bit of institutional ass covering.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:22:34pm

re: #306 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Our country is so f*cked up with these folk:

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God puts in place who he wants to rule.*

*Not valid if a Democrat is elected.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:25:28pm

VAn Drew might want to have a word with Matt Bevin. I hear he’s available.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:25:53pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:29:14pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:36:11pm

re: #309 Teddy’s Person

VAn Drew might want to have a word with Matt Bevin. I hear he’s available.

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I’m sure the GOP in that district are quite happy being told that a turn-coat Democratic Party official is their best bet for winning an election in that district.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:42:56pm
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prairiefire  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:43:02pm

Who were those who said Nancy could not control the squad? One flick of her wrist and a mom face and they were quiet.

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Jay C  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:45:28pm

re: #311 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Christians have always argued over “who is really a Christian”. It’s a feature, not a bug.

Another feature Christianity picked up from Judaism…

Three Jews, four opinions” is still a pretty reliable benchmark: toss in the “who is really a Jew” question, and it goes up to five or six.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:48:46pm

re: #309 Teddy’s Person

VAn Drew might want to have a word with Matt Bevin. I hear he’s available

Guessing that Van Drew will be beat en by one of the other rupubs running I n that district; won’t even get a chance to run against the dem.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 20, 2019 • 4:53:40pm

re: #316 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Guessing that Van Drew will be beat en by one of the other rupubs running I n that district; won’t even get a chance to run against the dem.

I would think the Dems have a good shot at keeping this district. His district can’t be all that red if he didn’t think he could explain a no to impeachment. I assume that the Republican will be pro-Trump and not the squishy middle. Full disclosure, I don’t know anything about Van Drew’s district. This is all speculation based on the fact that he won the last election in that district.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:01:13pm

re: #317 Teddy’s Person

I would think the Dems have a good shot at keeping this district. His district can’t be all that red if he didn’t think he could explain a no to impeachment. I assume that the Republican will be pro-Trump and not the squishy middle. Full disclosure, I don’t know anything about Van Drew’s district. This is all speculation based on the fact that he won the last election in that district.

Southern quarter of NJ including Atlantic City and Ocean City. Cook PVI of R +1 according to Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:10:50pm

re: #296 Dread Pirate

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This needy bastard needs to be praised for every single thing
I swear “Mommy look what I just did in the bathroom”

Because he’s so in over his head everything *is* an accomplishment

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stpaulbear  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:12:48pm

re: #212 DodgerFan1988

NBC News

@NBCNews
An Iowa woman is charged with attempted murder after telling authorities that she drove over a teenage girl because she was Hispanic, police say

I’m trying to imagine what Christmas is going to be like for her family. I bet they consider themselves to be good Xians and patriots, and maybe think that the woman was justified in killing a kid. Damn them.

I only have sympathy for the poor family of the child. What horror they must be going through.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:16:38pm

To all you old farts out there. There’s a “I Love Lucy” Christmas Special on CBS.
I highly recommend it.

And the Star Wars Movie was an entertaining Star Wars Movie.
Really nothing more.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:17:44pm

More from Flake

To my former Senate Republican colleagues, I don’t envy you.”

“It might not be fair, but none of the successes, achievements and triumphs you’ve had in public office — whatever bills you’ve passed, hearings you’ve chaired, constituents you have had the privilege of helping — will matter more than your actions in the coming months.”

“President Trump is on trial. But in a very real sense, so are you. And so is the political party to which we belong.”

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Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:22:51pm

Check out Fred with the tie tucked into his pants

I didn’t do it
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mmmirele  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:25:07pm

re: #292 Dread Pirate

“Pompeo wanted to avoid the embassy and hold meetings in his hotel room”—Why? To make it easier for the Russians to spy on him? Jesus, the stupidity of these people is astounding.

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:26:22pm

re: #314 prairiefire

Who were those who said Nancy could not control the squad? One flick of her wrist and a mom face and they were quiet.

That was a grandma face. Exponentially more powerful than a mom face.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:28:02pm

Seriously

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:29:57pm

re: #325 sagehen

That was a grandma face. Exponentially more powerful than a mom face.

Northern California equivalent of waving la chancla.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:30:58pm

re: #324 mmmirele

“Pompeo wanted to avoid the embassy and hold meetings in his hotel room”—Why? To make it easier for the Russians to spy on him? Jesus, the stupidity of these people is astounding.

Probably some rules regarding the recording or steno of what was said in meetings. Much easier in a hotel room to arrange for a recorder to be turned off, person told to stop taking notes or simply being sent out of the room.

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stpaulbear  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:44:35pm

re: #314 prairiefire

Who were those who said Nancy could not control the squad? One flick of her wrist and a mom face and they were quiet.

I’m hoping that she can keep that discipline during the State of the Union speech. I want to see the Democrats stone silent and attentive, while the Republican side whoops and hollers at every insult and lie that Trump shovels out.

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prairiefire  Dec 20, 2019 • 5:50:31pm

re: #329 stpaulbear

I think she might let them off the chain.

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2019 • 6:05:30pm

re: #315 Jay C

Another feature Christianity picked up from Judaism…

Three Jews, four opinions” is still a pretty reliable benchmark: toss in the “who is really a Jew” question, and it goes up to five or six.

But Jews arguing with other Jews about who’s really a Jew… don’t bring swords to the discussion. That’s a Christian innovation.

The 30 Years War, the 100 Years War, 2 English Civil Wars…

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2019 • 6:06:55pm

re: #318 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Southern quarter of NJ including Atlantic City and Ocean City. Cook PVI of R +1 according to Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org

Atlantic City HATES Donald Trump. With good reason. They may be right of center as a general rule, but they’re very very anti-Trump.


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Black Pumas - Fire (Official Live Session) Black Pumas’ debut album is available now - limited edition vinyl, CD and digital formats: smarturl.it FOLLOW BLACK PUMASTour Dates: theblackpumas.comFacebook: facebook.comTwitter: @blackpumasmusicInstagram: instagram.com Video Directed by Amos David McKayVideo Filmed at Arlyn Studios – Austin, TX LYRICSI’ve got ...
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Sergio Mendes & Brasil 66 - Mas Que Nada (Introduced by Eartha Kitt / Something Special 1967)Sergio Mendes & Brasil 66 - Mas que nada, from Eartha Kitt's Something Special 1967.
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Wes Montgomery - Here’s That Rainy Day - Live London 1965Stan Tracey (piano) Wes Montgomery (guitar) Rick Laird (bass) Jackie Dougan (drums)Television broadcast, "Tempo", ABC TV, London, England, May 7, 1965
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Halsey - You Should Be Sad (Lyric Video) Halsey’s new album ‘Manic’ out now! halsey.lnk.toiTunes: halsey.lnk.toSpotify: halsey.lnk.to Apple Music: halsey.lnk.toAmazon: halsey.lnk.toGoogle Play: halsey.lnk.to Get tickets to #ManicWorldTour! Each ticket purchase comes with a physical copy of ‘Manic’.halsey.lnk.to Follow Halsey –Twitter: @halsey Facebook: facebook.com Instagram: instagram.comSpotify: halsey.lnk.toOfficial Site: ...
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 200119Yup, some are now calling it "The Pondathon" The boards we pounded in to the sump last week were not long enough to reach bottom.We didnt want to spend all day sunday on this and lose a day. And we ...
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Steve Martin and the Steep Canyon Rangers - California (Official Lyric Video) ​@Steve Martin and @Steep Canyon Rangers present "California"Get the song now via @Rounder Records found.ee Produced by RMV ProductionsAnimators: Matt Entecott and Tash TullyDirector: Peter ReeveInstagram: instagram.comTwitter: @RMVProdsFacebook: facebook.com Follow Steve Martin on Twitter: @SteveMartinToGoFor more info and tour ...
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