Hear That Sound? Those Are the War Drums.

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The impeached president is now sending thousands of additional troops to the Middle East, men and women who will pay with their lives for Trump’s folly.

The president’s cronies are claiming that Trump’s illegal assassination of Iranian military commander Qasem Soleimani was necessary to stop “an imminent attack,” but nobody should believe anything this gang of proven liars says. They’re covering for a president who was impeached for abuse of power —and who is abusing his power again by ordering this insanely provocative attack without getting Congressional approval.

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electrotek  Jan 3, 2020 • 9:57:51am

Trump is going to accomplish something dubious: he will destabilize the region in ways that Bush and Cheney can only dream of.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:01:02am

So, Pompeo says that killing Suleimani has made all Americans in the ME much safer, a few hours after his State Department tells all Americans to get the fuck out of Iraq as soon as possible by any means necessary.

Somehow, that doesn’t sound safer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:01:15am

We are about to see the ugly side of “both-siderism”:

“With-us-or-against-us-ism”

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ericblair  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:03:16am
“There’s no doubt about that”

“Trust me”, “Let me be honest with you”, “In all sincerity”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:07:08am

I was just checking newsmax to see how the right-wing media are glorifying WW3 and stumbled across this little piece of information that is going to be conveniently buried as Trump’s approval rating grows:

ISM: December US Factory Activity Unexpectedly Falls to Lowest Since 2009

The U.S. manufacturing sector contracted in December by the most in more than a decade with order volumes crashing to near an 11-year low and factory employment falling for a fifth straight month, according to an industry report released on Friday.

The Institute for Supply Management (ISM) said its index of national factory activity fell to 47.2 last month from 48.1 in November. It was the lowest reading since June 2009 and thwarted expectations for a leveling off in the pace of decline in a sector buffeted by the U.S.-China trade war.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:07:20am

The Main$tream Media gladly lied us into war with Iraq and brainwashed my son into telling me he wanted to kill “sand N-words” for Jesus. Aaron Brown the Lying Clown led the war chants at The Conservative News Network.

My son went to be a Xtian soldier and that’s how he died. Not killing for Jesus but winded up being killed because Dumbya and THE DICK lied us into war and whipped up the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press to beat those war drums.

It’s now happening again as the media continues to lie us into war, totally ignoring the Deutsche Bank bombshells exposed today.

Well, brings back memories of being a teenager in Ambridge PA, reading the set of Great Books of the Western World and fascinated with Gibbons Fall Of The Roman Empire. Now I’m seeing another empire collapse and fall in real time.

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ericblair  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:07:34am

Rubio can fucking put up or shut up, because nobody with more than two brain cells to rub together should listen to anything the Republican party says about anything, especially this.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:09:09am

re: #7 ericblair

Rubio can fucking put up or shut up, because nobody with more than two brain cells to rub together should listen to anything the Republican party says about anything, especially this.

Hey Marco, I don’t believe a word you fucking say about anything you fucking ass-puppet who was being groomed to be the Republican Obama but will never be Obama because he’s not smart, insightful, or compassionate like Barack is. Rubio and the warmongers can kiss the largest part of my ass.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:09:32am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are about to see the ugly side of “both-siderism”:

“With-us-or-against-us-ism”

Just waiting for the Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast shit to start again…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:10:17am

re: #7 ericblair

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Rubio can fucking put up or shut up, because nobody with more than two brain cells to rub together should listen to anything the Republican party says about anything, especially this.

NRA’s 3 million dollar pro$titute lying his ass off!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:15:15am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:19:14am

This year marks the 30th Anniversary of the first Gulf War. Now we have yet another GOP admin getting us into shit in the Middle East. It’s like a never ending cycle.

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:21:21am

re: #2 Blind Frog Belly White

So, Pompeo says that killing Suleimani has made all Americans in the ME much safer, a few hours after his State Department tells all Americans to get the fuck out of Iraq as soon as possible by any means necessary.

Somehow, that doesn’t sound safer.

Baghdad Mike.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:22:01am

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

This year marks the 30th Anniversary of the first Gulf War. Now we have yet another GOP admin getting us into shit in the Middle East. It’s like a never ending cycle.

The GOP gets us into messes. Dems get us out. And then when enough people forget about those messes, the GOP comes back. The Republican Party when they’re not getting us into foreign policy messes are also fiscally reckless. The least bad Republican presidents since WWII have been ones that the conservatives despised whether they be named Ike, Ford, or HW Bush.

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:24:15am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

The GOP gets us into messes. Dems get us out. And then when enough people forget about those messes, the GOP comes back. The Republican Party when they’re not getting us into foreign policy messes are also fiscally reckless. The least bad Republican presidents since WWII have been ones that the conservatives despised whether they be named Ike, Ford, or HW Bush.

They don’t even have to forget the messes. They just have to be quickly convinced that the mess was the Dems’ fault all along. Why do you think Hillary got the Iraq war vote hung around her neck like an albatross where no Republican did? When you have a significant portion of the population wondering why Obama didn’t do anything about Katrina, it’s clear that Dems will manage to be blamed for anything , even the messes they were left behind that they were in the middle of fixing.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:24:22am

Meanwhile…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:25:13am

I remember when Iraq was leading up, I was very skeptical because I saw a lot of the former Yugoslavia in Iraq. I had more education than most people my age or honestly any age on that region since it’s where my grandfather (the husband of the grandmother who just passed away)’s parents were from. Bismarck correctly predicted that the next conflict would be some foolishness in the Balkans. Well today it might be in Iraq. Iraq is a place that the people who pushed for war there did not understand and it’s a place that Trump and his guys understand even less. Do I like what Iran was doing there? Of course not but it’s absurd to think that Iran, a neighbor of Iraq would not be interested in its geopolitical significance. We need a new FP.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:26:14am

re: #15 Citizen K

They don’t even have to forget the messes. They just have to be quickly convinced that the mess was the Dems’ fault all along. Why do you think Hillary got the Iraq war vote hung around her neck like an albatross where no Republican did? When you have a significant portion of the population wondering why Obama didn’t do anything about Katrina, it’s clear that Dems will manage to be blamed for anything , even the messes they were left behind that they were in the middle of fixing.

Very true. HRC got that hung around her neck and yet Pence who didn’t say a critical word about the Iraq War got a total pass for it. I feel so cynical and sick today.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:26:58am

I’ve never worn the uniform, but I am so tired of war.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:29:04am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

I remember when Iraq was leading up, I was very skeptical because I saw a lot of the former Yugoslavia in Iraq. I had more education than most people my age or honestly any age on that region since it’s where my grandfather (the husband of the grandmother who just passed away)’s parents were from. Bismarck correctly predicted that the next conflict would be some foolishness in the Balkans. Well today it might be in Iraq. Iraq is a place that the people who pushed for war there did not understand and it’s a place that Trump and his guys understand even less. Do I like what Iran was doing there? Of course not but it’s absurd to think that Iran, a neighbor of Iraq would not be interested in its geopolitical significance. We need a new FP.

The same right wing extremists who pushed for war against Iraq on false claims will now claim the intel backs their insistence for a conflict with Iran. The same people in charge now in Trumpworld who ignore intel evidence that Russia interfered in our election in 2016 and was trying to do so again in 2020 suddenly has the evidence we need to go to war in Iran?

The same folks who screwed up so badly that they didn’t have a plan beyond the opening gambit are now advocating for a conflict against a country 3 times larger and twice as populous at a time when we have alienated ourselves from our allies, we don’t have Turkey as a base of operations, and Iran has greater reach thanks to their position astride the Strait of Hormuz.

Trump doesn’t get any of what I just posted - and I doubt his advisers are any more knowledgeable (Jared, Ivanka, Pompeo, etc.).

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:29:07am

re: #19 I Would Prefer Not To

I’ve never worn the uniform, but I am so tired of war.

The ones least tired of war are usually the ones who are least qualified to wage it.

EDIT:

re: #20 lawhawk

The same right wing extremists who pushed for war against Iraq on false claims will now claim the intel backs their insistence for a conflict with Iran. The same people in charge now in Trumpworld who ignore intel evidence that Russia interfered in our election in 2016 and was trying to do so again in 2020 suddenly has the evidence we need to go to war in Iran?

The same folks who screwed up so badly that they didn’t have a plan beyond the opening gambit are now advocating for a conflict against a country 3 times larger and twice as populous at a time when we have alienated ourselves from our allies, we don’t have Turkey as a base of operations, and Iran has greater reach thanks to their position astride the Strait of Hormuz.

Trump doesn’t get any of what I just posted - and I doubt his advisers are any more knowledgeable (Jared, Ivanka, Pompeo, etc.).

Unfortunately, the same folks are also the ones the media has decided are the most qualified to speak on the matter, so look forward to the drum beats sounding unopposed all over.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:29:36am

re: #19 I Would Prefer Not To

I’ve never worn the uniform, but I am so tired of war.

There’s a part of me that almost favors a draft. I think getting rid of the draft was a good thing in most ways. I don’t think no one should have to fight in a conflict against their will but at the same time, I think it’s weakened our national unity too. Does that make any sense or am I just really whacked out since I’m dealing with other shit today too?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:30:57am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

The GOP gets us into messes. Dems get us out. And then when enough people forget about those messes, the GOP comes back. The Republican Party when they’re not getting us into foreign policy messes are also fiscally reckless. The least bad Republican presidents since WWII have been ones that the conservatives despised whether they be named Ike, Ford, or HW Bush.

Bush 41 —the guy who gave us Clarence Thomas? Had Barr as his AG and pardoned those involved in Iran-contra? who (and this one really irritated me) lost our ability to be in the race for the superconducting super collider by awarding the contract to his home state Texas rather than Illinois, where it was decimated by fire ants and left us permanently behind? The guy who abandoned the Kurds after they helped us win the first Gulf War — and only changed his policy when he was shamed by the reaction.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:31:09am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

There’s a part of me that almost favors a draft. I think getting rid of the draft was a good thing in most ways. I don’t think no one should have to fight in a conflict against their will but at the same time, I think it’s weakened our national unity too. Does that make any sense or am I just really whacked out since I’m dealing with other shit today too?

A draft without exemptions for the economically favored.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:31:32am

re: #21 Citizen K

The ones least tired of war are usually the ones who are least qualified to wage it.

My grandfather if you had met him on the surface would seem like your typical conservative Democrat of his era. Very much a union man and FDR/Truman were his favorite Presidents but he was a dove. He knew what war did to people. He didn’t go into Korea gung ho like some people did because he had already seen older men like his brothers and neighbors return from WWII. I think that’s why even though Grandpa definitely wasn’t counterculture, he understood the protests of first Vietnam and later Iraq which I did in my teenage years.

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:31:42am

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just waiting for the Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast shit to start again…

Wonder what we’ll rename Persian rugs.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:32:10am
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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:33:57am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:34:05am

re: #26 sagehen

Levent Rugs.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:34:30am

re: #23 Hecuba’s daughter

Bush 41 —the guy who gave us Clarence Thomas? Had Barr as his AG and pardoned those involved in Iran-contra? who (and this one really irritated me) lost our ability to be in the race for the superconducting super collider by awarding the contract to his home state Texas rather than Illinois, where it was decimated by fire ants and left us permanently behind? The guy who abandoned the Kurds after they helped us win the first Gulf War — and only changed his policy when he was shamed by the reaction.

You do realize that a least bad Republican president to me is like a favorite bodyache. My point is that the right of the party despises HW Bush because he wasn’t as rigid as Reagan, W, and now Trump.There’s a reason why Buchanan primaried him and why Ann Coulter called him a wuss. Do not confuse me saying someone was a least bad Republican president with being a good President. The best Republican President of hte past 100 years is Ike and it’s not even close. The best Republican President of all time is Lincoln and it’s not even close. The Republican Party has been on a pathetic downward spiral ever since Lincoln died.

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:35:51am

re: #21 Citizen K

The ones least tired of war are usually the ones who are least qualified to wage it.

EDIT:

Unfortunately, the same folks are also the ones the media has decided are the most qualified to speak on the matter, so look forward to the drum beats sounding unopposed all over.

Counterpoint:

“I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.”
Dwight David Eisenhower
Address before the Canadian Club, Ottawa, Canada, 1/10/46

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:36:10am

In the end, I don’t trust Republicans with the keys to the WH. In the past 50 years they’ve given us a lot of stinkers.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:36:43am

re: #31 sagehen

Counterpoint:

“I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.”
Dwight David Eisenhower
Address before the Canadian Club, Ottawa, Canada, 1/10/46

Too bad Ike wasn’t talked into replacing Nixon in ‘56. World’s a better place if that happens.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:38:09am

Franklin D. Roosevelt (1936) “I Hate War” Speech (Pathe)

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:39:05am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

The best Republican President of hte past 100 years is Ike and it’s not even close. The best Republican President of all time is Lincoln and it’s not even close. The Republican Party has been on a pathetic downward spiral ever since Lincoln died.

TEDDY TEDDY TEDDY

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:40:04am

re: #19 I Would Prefer Not To

I’ve never worn the uniform, but I am so tired of war.

Well, I went into ROTC in college because my Dad forced me into it. But I flunked the physical with a heart murmur. Remember Dad yelling at me for flunking the physical…

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:41:04am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:42:03am

re: #36 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, I went into ROTC in college because my Dad forced me into it. But I flunked the physical with a heart murmur. Remember Dad yelling at me for flunking the physical…

…. Bcause of a congenital defect. Make lots of sense. Not.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:42:56am

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:44:05am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

There’s a part of me that almost favors a draft. I think getting rid of the draft was a good thing in most ways. I don’t think no one should have to fight in a conflict against their will but at the same time, I think it’s weakened our national unity too. Does that make any sense or am I just really whacked out since I’m dealing with other shit today too?

I was there when we had a draft and fought a war over another lie (Gulf of Tonkin) and it tore our country apart. In a report in my 1963 high school contemporary history class, I parroted the domino effect arguments that we needed to take a stand in Viet Nam because otherwise the nations in the area would all fall under the control of the Communist block; a few years later I was working on the Eugene McCarthy campaign to stop the war that was killing tens of thousands of Americans (and many more Vietnamese).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:44:36am

re: #39 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:44:50am

re: #35 sagehen

TEDDY TEDDY TEDDY

My Republican presidential top 5 are:
1.) Abe
2.) Ike
3.) Teddy
4.) Grant
5.) Benjamin Harrison- doesn’t get enough credit for civil service reform, supporting Union vets, doing more decent on civil rights than many Republican presidents before or since, and anti trust legislation. He also had a lot of wisdom about the future of the Navy IIRC too.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:46:10am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

In the end, I don’t trust Republicans with the keys to the WH. In the past 50 years they’ve given us a lot of stinkers.

Grant for all his faults stood up to the Klan. Now Trump considers the KKK to be the cornerstone of the RepubliKKKlan Party.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:46:12am

re: #41 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:46:39am

re: #40 Hecuba’s daughter

I was there when we had a draft and fought a war over another lie (Gulf of Tonkin) and it tore our country apart. In a report in my 1963 high school contemporary history class, I parroted the domino effect arguments that we needed to take a stand in Viet Nam because otherwise the nations in the area would all fall under the control of the Communist block; a few years later I was working on the Eugene McCarthy campaign to stop the war that was killing tens of thousands of Americans (and many more Vietnamese).

I get that. I do. I oppose a draft in principle but I really feel that modern wars have too often become distant from the population. I have two younger cousins who just enlisted. And I realize it’s hypocritical as hell for me to support a draft given how much I opposed Iraq but I really think these modern wars have really isolated Americans of all classes from the reality of warfare. The sons and daughters of the powers to be aren’t going to be deployed. There are some exceptions to that. Beau Biden and Tim Kaine’s son come to mind.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:47:22am

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grant for all his faults stood up to the Klan. Now Trump considers the KKK to be the cornerstone of the RepubliKKKlan Party.

Grant needs to get his reputation back. I admit that I for too long bought the Lost Cause narrative on him. Grant was another one that knew the horror of war.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:47:27am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

My Republican presidential top 5 are:
1.) Abe
2.) Ike
3.) Teddy
4.) Grant
5.) Benjamin Harrison- doesn’t get enough credit for civil service reform, supporting Union vets, doing more decent on civil rights than many Republican presidents before or since, and anti trust legislation. He also had a lot of wisdom about the future of the Navy IIRC too.

I would add Arthur who committed political suicide supporting the Pendleton Act which established the Civil Service. Now we know that Arthur was dying from Kidney failure during his term…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:48:42am

re: #47 Joe Bacon 🌹

I would add Arthur who committed political suicide supporting the Pendleton Act which established the Civil Service. Now we know that Arthur was dying from Kidney failure during his term…

Yeah Arthur does get props for me for that. Has the Chinese Exclusion Act too unfortunately but I think he handled his inherited term pretty well given the era and times. Fun fact, his father in law is the name sake of the town where I grew up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:49:17am

re: #26 sagehen

Wonder what we’ll rename Persian rugs.

Patriot Mats.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:51:07am

Now make it 22 RepubliKKKlans not running for re-election!

After serving six terms in Congress, Rep. Phil Roe (R-TN), a veteran and a medical doctor, will retire at the end of this term, Roe’s office confirmed to TPM Friday.

“As someone who practiced medicine for over 30 years, I said I would serve five or six terms because I never intended this job to be a second career. After prayerful consideration, I have decided to retire at the end of the 116th Congress,”

“prayerful consideration my ass. Probably saw polls showing he would lose!

talkingpointsmemo.com

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:52:34am

re: #40 Hecuba’s daughter

I was there when we had a draft and fought a war over another lie (Gulf of Tonkin) and it tore our country apart. In a report in my 1963 high school contemporary history class, I parroted the domino effect arguments that we needed to take a stand in Viet Nam because otherwise the nations in the area would all fall under the control of the Communist block; a few years later I was working on the Eugene McCarthy campaign to stop the war that was killing tens of thousands of Americans (and many more Vietnamese).

My brothers just missed the Vietnam draft (born 1956; bad number). But in the several years before that, when we worried they might get called, my dad and some of the other doctors he worked with got their own little conspiracy going… nobody who any of them cared about was going to be drafted. They just wouldn’t allow it. If college deferments stopped working, if medical paperwork couldn’t be faked up, they were prepared to puncture eardrums, slice Achilles’ tendons, take a sledgehammer to elbows.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:54:41am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:55:19am

re: #51 sagehen

My brothers just missed the Vietnam draft (born 1956; bad number). But in the several years before that, when we worried they might get called, my dad and some of the other doctors he worked with got their own little conspiracy going… nobody who any of them cared about was going to be drafted. They just wouldn’t allow it. If college deferments stopped working, if medical paperwork couldn’t be faked up, they were prepared to puncture eardrums, slice Achilles’ tendons, take a sledgehammer to elbows.

What frustrates me is I feel conflicted about how we’re supposed to build up unity as a nation when sacrifice is only reserved for those from marginalized backgrounds. I guess I’d get behind national service. I dunno.

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:56:12am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

My Republican presidential top 5 are:
1.) Abe
2.) Ike
3.) Teddy
4.) Grant
5.) Benjamin Harrison- doesn’t get enough credit for civil service reform, supporting Union vets, doing more decent on civil rights than many Republican presidents before or since, and anti trust legislation. He also had a lot of wisdom about the future of the Navy IIRC too.

HW Bush makes my top 5. His domestic agenda had all kinds of problems, but his skillful subtle maneuvering when the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union collapsed makes up for a lot.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:56:43am

re: #52 lawhawk

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Come ye bots of war. Come sew discord in these lands. Come free to divide. Come with daggers for our minds.

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SteelPH  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:57:13am

From downstairs

re: #336 Joe Bacon 🌹

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:58:19am

re: #54 sagehen

HW Bush makes my top 5. His domestic agenda had all kinds of problems, but his skillful subtle maneuvering when the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union collapsed makes up for a lot.

I also like him for ADA and Clean Air. Frankly getting stuck with Reagan and the Reaganites hurt Bush’s standing in my eyes but to the old man’s credit he was telling the NRA off early.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 10:58:53am

re: #56 SteelPH

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:01:16am

remember just a short time ago trump bringing home all the mid east troops?
home!

trump ends the wars obama let go on and on

trump bringing peace to the M/E

remember that?

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SteelPH  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:01:53am

re: #59 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

remember just a short time ago trump bringing home all the mid east troops?
home!

trump ends the wars obama let go on and on

trump bringing peace to the M/E

remember that?

No.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:02:05am

Oh lord, looks like I’m going to be “Giant Cat famous” after a retweet from the Big Kitteh himself

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:03:00am

oh, and over the years I’ve fenced with a lot of women

many kicked my (at the time) experienced ass

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:03:44am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:04:18am

re: #56 SteelPH

From downstairs

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:05:32am

re: #63 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeesh. Thank goodness I’m 38 and well past the age to have to worry about THAT.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:06:40am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:07:26am

I rewatched my favorite Western- Little Big Man last night. 50 years old. A little dated but not too much. What gets me is a sympathetic portrayal of Native Americans and even a LGBT character in the movie would enrage a lot of people today. I always loved the Chief Dan George grandfather character. He was warm, funny, but wise. I’m glad I watched that again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:07:34am

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

Patriot Mats.

and Patriot Cats

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:08:18am

re: #51 sagehen

My brothers just missed the Vietnam draft (born 1956; bad number). But in the several years before that, when we worried they might get called, my dad and some of the other doctors he worked with got their own little conspiracy going… nobody who any of them cared about was going to be drafted. They just wouldn’t allow it. If college deferments stopped working, if medical paperwork couldn’t be faked up, they were prepared to puncture eardrums, slice Achilles’ tendons, take a sledgehammer to elbows.

My husband’s 2 closest friends were drafted: one was in Vietnam in a non-combat role, the other served in Germany. My husband-to-be (met him in 1980) was classified 1y because he had a mild case of cerebral palsy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:08:20am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

I rewatched my favorite Western- Little Big Man last night. 50 years old. A little dated but not too much. What gets me is a sympathetic portrayal of Native Americans and even a LGBT character in the movie would enrage a lot of people today. I always loved the Chief Dan George grandfather character. He was warm, funny, but wise. I’m glad I watched that again.

way ahead of its time

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:08:39am

moron

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:09:02am

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:09:04am

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeesh. Thank goodness I’m 38 and well past the age to have to worry about THAT.

I still remember the Navy recruiting me. The recruiter didn’t get that my heart condition made me ineligible. Plus I was trying to get my post secondary education.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:11:24am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

way ahead of its time

Definitely. I appreciated it more with age tbh. It’s a powerful story even if a bit silly sometimes I.e. the whole makeup that Dustin Hoffman wore for old Jack Crabb but the humanity in that film is powerful. I definitely wept for Sunshine and Grandfather.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:12:35am

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Get the fuck off Twitter and the golf course and actually face the American people you feckless fuck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:13:09am

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Definitely. I appreciated it more with age tbh. It’s a powerful story even if a bit silly sometimes I.e. the whole makeup that Dustin Hoffman wore for old Jack Crabb but the humanity in that film is powerful. I definitely wept for Sunshine and Grandfather.

and taking the piss out of Evangelical pseudo-Christians

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:14:47am

re: #69 Hecuba’s daughter

My husband’s 2 closest friends were drafted: one was in Vietnam in a non-combat role, the other served in Germany. My husband-to-be (met him in 1980) was classified 1y because he had a mild case of cerebral palsy.

Well, I remember my draft physical. Mom insisted on going with me. All during the physical, Mom kept saying, “I don’t know why you’re wasting your money on Joey because he has a heart murmur”.

I was 4F. Felt so down in the dumps. Then Dad lost his temper that I was 4F. I reminded Dad he was turned down by draft boards because he was a specialized welder.

I let him push me into ROTC when I was a freshman at Pitt but I knew that the physical was coming and I flunked it again and left ROTC after one trimester. Yeah Dad got pissed off again.

Dad knew I was paying child support for a kid. Dad passed in 2002. I always wondered what Dad’s reaction would have been when my son was killed in 2004…

Now lots of other parents are going to go thru this because of the fucking assholes in the RepubliKKKlan Party…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:15:38am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and taking the piss out of Evangelist pseudo-Christians

Oh yeah the Faye Dunaway character for sure. As I said, I think it would enrage a lot of people now. I’m glad my Dad got my brother and I to see it.

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:17:56am

OT: BBC-America has a Monty Python double feature tonight; Life of Brian and Holy Grail.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:18:18am

re: #77 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, I remember my draft physical. Mom insisted on going with me. All during the physical, Mom kept saying, “I don’t know why you’re wasting your money on Joey because he has a heart murmur”.

I was 4F. Felt so down in the dumps. Then Dad lost his temper that I was 4F. I reminded Dad he was turned down by draft boards because he was a specialized welder.

I let him push me into ROTC when I was a freshman at Pitt but I knew that the physical was coming and I flunked it again and left ROTC after one trimester. Yeah Dad got pissed off again.

Dad knew I was paying child support for a kid. Dad passed in 2002. I always wondered what Dad’s reaction would have been when my son was killed in 2004…

Now lots of other parents are going to go thru this because of the fucking assholes in the RepubliKKKlan Party…

Two of my cousins are new military moms. We’re not typically a military family. Dad had an uncle who was a chaplain in WWII and his older brother was drafted in the Vietnam years but he was in Germany not in SE Asia and he’s never really talked about his experience. It was just something he had to do.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:18:22am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:21:03am

re: #81 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The legal system needs fixed.

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S'latch  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:22:39am

No one knows what the repercussions of this assassination will be. Iran is not going to do nothing. Soleimani is the “highest-ranking foreign military commander assassinated by the United States since … 1943.” I’m sorry that I’m quoting Max Boot. But, it’s a noteworthy fact he included in his Washington Post piece today. Trump has most likely started a new war, or a more intense phase of an old war, depending on how you look at it. Meanwhile, large parts of the Earth are now burning, and we are not slowing our CO2 output. These are not good times.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:23:44am

re: #83 S’latch

No one knows what the repercussions of this assassination will be. Iran is not going to do nothing. Soleimani is the “highest-ranking foreign military commander assassinated by the United States since … 1943.” I’m sorry that I’m quoting Max Boot. But, it’s a noteworthy fact he included in his Washington Post piece today. Trump has most likely started a new war, or a more intense phase of an old war, depending on how you look at it. Meanwhile, large parts of the Earth is now burning and we are not slowing our CO2 output. These are not good times.

Admiral Yamamoto right?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:27:16am

re: #83 S’latch

No one knows what the repercussions of this assassination will be. Iran is not going to do nothing. Soleimani is the “highest-ranking foreign military commander assassinated by the United States since … 1943.” I’m sorry that I’m quoting Max Boot. But, it’s a noteworthy fact he included in his Washington Post piece today. Trump has most likely started a new war, or a more intense phase of an old war, depending on how you look at it. Meanwhile, large parts of the Earth is now burning and we are not slowing our CO2 output. These are not good times.

I think there was an actual war on in ‘43
I mean it was in all the papers

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:28:34am

re: #85 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

I think there was an actual war on in ‘43
I mean it was in all the papers

It was you know declared by Congress.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:28:47am

I just looked at Elizabeth Warren tweet-statement on the assassination and it looks like 90% of the replies are Bernie supporters blaming Warren votes on military spending for enabling Trump. Douchenozzles.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:29:12am
“It is in part due to public war weariness that Republicans have sworn repeatedly, for years, that they would not go to war with Iran. The possibility of such a military escalation was precisely the central dispute between the parties when the Obama administration struck its nuclear deal.”

Nymag

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:29:33am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

The legal system needs fixed.

It is fixed. These are the outcomes it seeks. Plea deals are part of the whole process because there’s not enough time to try every case (90+% of cases are handled by settlement/plea deals). Many more settle once trial is underway and the lawyers see which way things are going.

We need more reform and definitely need to handle sex crimes far better than we do at present.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:29:43am

Progressives need to pounce on paying for this shit. No more borrowed money for hobby wars. If the rich want to play games, they can pay the whole fucking ride up front. Put their money where their mouth is.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:29:48am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

It was you know declared by Congress.

Right
I think I read that somewhere

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:30:25am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

It was you know declared by Congress.

Right after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:30:53am

re: #87 Barefoot Grin

I just looked at Elizabeth Warren tweet-statement on the assassination and it looks like 90% of the replies are Bernie supporters blaming Warren votes on military spending for enabling Trump. Douchenozzles.

And Bernie voted on that same legislation. Fuckers. Bernie’s office was also a dick to people who were critical of the Clinton bombings in Kosovo. I don’t agree with that disagreement but people have a right to protest.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:31:09am

re: #91 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Right
I think I read that somewhere

Put back that infamy guy back on.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:31:56am

re: #89 lawhawk

It is fixed. These are the outcomes it seeks. Plea deals are part of the whole process because there’s not enough time to try every case (90+% of cases are handled by settlement/plea deals). Many more settle once trial is underway and the lawyers see which way things are going.

We need more reform and definitely need to handle sex crimes far better than we do at present.

Absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:33:15am

Feels fitting right now but:
Eighteen years of American dream
He saw that his brother had sworn on the wall
He hung up his eyelids and ran down the hall
His mother had told him a trip was a fall
And don’t mention babies at all
Did you see him?
Did you see him?

Neil could and still can fucking write.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:40:28am

The one thing I keep seeing on the Right is the inability to look at things from any other point of view. Whether it’s black people telling us the cops treat them differently, or people who aren’t gay supporting rights for gays, or what have you, the most obvious characteristic of the Right is that inability.

So, of course, they see Suleimani as A Bad Guy, and certainly, from our point of view, that’s what he is. He’s been instrumental in killing Americans, and fighting against American interests and subverting America’s plans for the ME for years now. But those very things that he’s done made him A Good Guy to people who see us as The Bad Guy.

It used to be that the Right claimed to believe in American Exceptionalism, the idea that we were different from all the other empires, because we believe in democracy and human rights, so even when we did bad things, we still thought of ourselves as trying to do good.

Now, Trump specifically denies American Exceptionalism by saying we’re no better than anyone else. We’re not The Good Guys anymore. We don’t give a shit about human rights or democracy. And that’s exactly how we act. So, our justification for killing someone like Suleimani is just that we didn’t like him and he didn’t like us, and we could. Not to liberate anyone, or make anyone’s lives better. Just “he was a threat so we killed him”.

At the same time, the whole Neocon “We’ll be greeted as liberators” Wurlitzer is warming up - maybe without Suleimani, the Ayatollah will fall! They’ll thank us for this!

They can’t grasp how the US assassinating an Iranian leader - and an Iraqi leader - on Iraqi soil might make people who don’t really like Iran all that much angry at us.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:41:02am

All those fucking holier than thou who insisted that Trump was a “lesser evil” than Clinton because of FP. Please pogue me thoin.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:42:05am

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

The one thing I keep seeing on the Right is the inability to look at things from any other point of view. Whether it’s black people telling us the cops treat them differently, or people who aren’t gay supporting rights for gays, or what have you, the most obvious characteristic of the Right is that inability.

So, of course, they see Suleimani as A Bad Guy, and certainly, from our point of view, that’s what he is. He’s been instrumental in killing Americans, and fighting against American interests and subverting America’s plans for the ME for years now. But those very things that he’s done made him A Good Guy to people who see us as The Bad Guy.

It used to be that the Right claimed to believe in American Exceptionalism, the idea that we were different from all the other empires, because we believe in democracy and human rights, so even when we did bad things, we still thought of ourselves as trying to do good.

Now, Trump specifically denies American Exceptionalism by saying we’re no better than anyone else. We’re not The Good Guys anymore. We don’t give a shit about human rights or democracy. And that’s exactly how we act. So, our justification for killing someone like Suleimani is just that we didn’t like him and he didn’t like us, and we could. Not to liberate anyone, or make anyone’s lives better. Just “he was a threat so we killed him”.

At the same time, the whole Neocon “We’ll be greeted as liberators” Wurlitzer is warming up - maybe without Suleimani, the Ayatollah will fall! They’ll thank us for this!

They can’t grasp how the US assassinating an Iranian leader - and an Iraqi leader - on Iraqi soil might make people who don’t really like Iran all that much angry at us.

That’s exactly what annoyed me when we had some conservative posters here. They just didn’t empathize at all with what policy does to people.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:42:34am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:43:49am

re: #100 DodgerFan1988

Not gonna happen. Those three will just drum up the beat for war from their safe spaces on Twitter. If Ben didn’t enlist when he was of age for Iraq, he sure as shit isn’t for this now because Ben, Tomi, and Kilmeade are nothing but cowards who think war is a fucking game.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:44:12am

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

The one thing I keep seeing on the Right is the inability to look at things from any other point of view.

They also seem to be unable to think of any of the possible consequences of their actions.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:49:38am

I don’t think there’s going to be a war. I think we are going to have a lot of terrorists attacks. Trump has little support for war. He does have support for drone attacks.

It’s going to get nasty for a long while. Both sides are going to be “eye for an eye,” until he are nearly blind.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:51:24am

re: #102 Belafon

They also seem to be unable to think of any of the possible consequences of their actions.

I remember when a Democratic official talked to us in Young Dems. He said he was a Democrat because Democrats are much more considerate of the consequences of what we do. There’s a pragmatic liberalism that this country needs to get back in the WH.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:51:52am

re: #102 Belafon

They also seem to be unable to think of any of the possible consequences of their actions.

Yeah. The Right consistently thinks they will get to dictate how things will go, where we’ll end up fighting, WHO we’ll end up fighting etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 11:55:48am

re: #105 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. The Right consistently thinks they will get to dictate how things will go, where we’ll end up fighting, WHO we’ll end up fighting etc.

I still remember Herman Cain’s smug “Uz-beki-beki-beki-stan.” So much of our FP fuck ups are caused by the twin sins of arrogance and ignorance.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:00:20pm

The Trumpian finger-pointing is beginning.
“The buck stops with that guy over there, not me.”

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:01:02pm

“Why did the intelligence community force Trump’s hand?”

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:01:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:08:53pm

re: #109 jaunte

My grand uncle’s old unit. He was in the 82nd the last time something like this happened. The difference is? There’s no General Marshall or President Roosevelt.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:09:22pm

re: #109 jaunte

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A Mom Anon  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:10:10pm

I can’t even bear to look at Facebook right now, I have a feeling my tiny friend list is about to get smaller. The arrogant tangerine strikes again. He literally cannot make anything better at all. JFC.

And in other news….

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:13:01pm

re: #111 Dr Lizardo

Trump doesn’t give two shits about Eastern Europe getting gobbled up in the Putinsphere. I mean I hate the fucking neo-cons but goddamn it at least they cared about the appearance of democracy. They just were so reckless when it come to considering the consequences of invading a country like Iraq.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:14:56pm

I wonder if Rubio was instructed to lay some groundwork to say “no” in case the Iraqi government decides that they don’t want their country to be a battleground again and tells Trump to get his troops out of their country.

Also think there is a minor (low but non-zero chance) that this escalation might be enough to push a few GOP Senators to go to Moscow Mitch and tell him that this is too much.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:15:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:15:52pm

re: #112 A Mom Anon

I can’t even bear to look at Facebook right now, I have a feeling my tiny friend list is about to get smaller. The arrogant tangerine strikes again. He literally cannot make anything better at all. JFC.

And in other news….

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:16:31pm

Have they blamed Nancy and the impeachment for this yet? You know it’s coming.

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:21:00pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:21:08pm

Man who threw ‘lucky’ coins into plane engine fined

He says the airline should warn passengers not to throw stuff at the engines. Okay. Don’t take a flying leap into the intake either.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:22:06pm

re: #117 GlutenFreeJesus

Have they said that Trump’s statement a few minutes ago is when Trump became president? You know it’s coming.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:22:46pm

I’ll say it out loud:
The 40% who voted for Trump own this. They own this. Completely. They got what they wanted.

That woman friend of mine who posts propaganda on Facebook owns it.
I’ll do everything I can to make sure that 40% takes ALL the consequences and dies for Their Great Father if it needs to be.

(One of the propaganda memes I saw: “Trump was elected as Your Father. The Democrats don’t like it.)

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:24:18pm

Trump the Father, Eric the son, and the Holy Bank Account?
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:25:53pm

re: #112 A Mom Anon

I can’t even bear to look at Facebook right now, I have a feeling my tiny friend list is about to get smaller. The arrogant tangerine strikes again. He literally cannot make anything better at all. JFC.

And in other news….

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:25:59pm

re: #121 Sherlock Hound

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I’ll say it out loud:
The 40% who voted for Trump own this. They own this. Completely. They got what they wanted.

That woman friend of mine who posts propaganda on Facebook owns it.
I’ll do everything I can to make sure that 40% takes ALL the consequences and dies for Their Great Father if it needs to be.

(One of the propaganda memes I saw: “Trump was elected as Your Father. The Democrats don’t like it.)

“Elected as Your Father”? I’m not sure if that’s supposed to be some literal 1984 “Big Brother” shit or more Messianic bullshit, but neither is a comforting look.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:26:44pm

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

The one thing I keep seeing on the Right is the inability to look at things from any other point of view.

what other point of view? // not even .5

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:27:43pm

re: #121 Sherlock Hound

I’ll say it out loud:
The 40% who voted for Trump own this. They own this. Completely. They got what they wanted.

That woman friend of mine who posts propaganda on Facebook owns it.
I’ll do everything I can to make sure that 40% takes ALL the consequences and dies for Their Great Father if it needs to be.

(One of the propaganda memes I saw: “Trump was elected as Your Father. The Democrats don’t like it.)

The Great Father. C-c-cult.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:28:35pm

re: #124 Citizen K

“Elected as Your Father”? I’m not sure if that’s supposed to be some literal 1984 “Big Brother” shit or more Messianic bullshit, but neither is a comforting look.

I liked and respected Obama as a man who happened to be President. They wanted a leader. They basically projected onto Trump what they thought we were doing to Obama.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:28:44pm

We are as close to war as possible and trump is giving a press conference at his gold club. Great.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:29:54pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Man who threw ‘lucky’ coins into plane engine fined

He says the airline should warn passengers not to throw stuff at the engines. Okay. Don’t take a flying leap into the intake either.

Did they also tell him not to put his cock and balls into the fuselage?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:30:25pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

The Great Father. C-c-cult.

Conservatism is a religion.

In other news, virtually the whole Republican Party sent over to the Supreme Court a friend of the court brief to overturn Roe v Wade entirely in the latest “admitting privileges” case from Louisiana.

The goal is to overturn Griswold v Connecticut and Eisenstadt v Baird, the two cases on which Roe is founded (privacy).

Overturning those cases means anything founded on those cases (gay rights, marriage equality, &c) also is overturned.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:31:00pm

re: #128 I Would Prefer Not To

We are as close to war as possible and trump is giving a press conference at his gold club. Great.

Our President runs this country like the worst elements of a post Cold War, Soviet Satellite and that’s what Putin likes. And you can bet he’s going to talk down to or completely ignore anyone who asks him a difficult question.

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:31:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:31:41pm

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Conservatism is a religion.

In other news, virtually the whole Republican Party sent over to the Supreme Court a friend of the court brief to overturn Roe v Wade entirely in the latest “admitting privileges” case from Louisiana.

The goal is to overturn Griswold v Connecticut and Eisenstadt v Baird, the two cases on which Roe is founded (privacy).

Overturning those cases means anything founded on those cases (gay rights, marriage equality, &c) also is overturned.

I know what the Republican Party is. I didn’t go to sleep and just wake up ya know :).

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:34:17pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

I liked and respected Obama as a man who happened to be President. They wanted a leader. They basically projected onto Trump what they thought we were doing to Obama.

They don’t want a leader. Obama was actually a leader. They want a God-King Emperor. They want a towering unilateral daddy figure that tells them The Truth from on high and does everything by fiat because that’s the platonic ideal of True Strength to them, that’s how “Real Men” run things.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:36:09pm

re: #134 Citizen K

They don’t want a leader. Obama was actually a leader. They want a God-King Emperor. They want a towering unilateral daddy figure that tells them The Truth from on high and does everything by fiat because that’s the platonic ideal of True Strength to them, that’s how “Real Men” run things.

That’s what I mean. They don’t want a President. They want a dictator and I think what troubles me about parts of the new left is they seem to want the same. I like the balance of power. Those dead Enlightenment dudes had some good ideas about the principles of governance.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:38:40pm

re: #124 Citizen K

Trump as Strict Father
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DodgerFan1988  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:39:34pm

Also…
Keeping migrant babies in secret prisons “saves American lives.”

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:40:24pm

re: #136 Sherlock Hound

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Just….wow.

The idea that Trump is somehow this towering paragon of moral and personal strength is just…wow. They see him as the great Daddy figure they always wanted, and not the epitome of spoiled arrogant entitlement they claim he stands against. Just…fucking wow.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:42:00pm

re: #136 Sherlock Hound

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Strict parent? First off that’s not what a President is. Second of all, a strict parent to who? Because Kim Jong Un isn’t being disciplined by Trump. In fact Trump goes out of his way to praise dictators. Oh? You mean his tantrums are what a strict parent does. Again no. We get it right wing meme makers, you crave a dictator which is why you find Pinochet’s murders hilarious.

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unproven innocence  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:42:01pm

In the week immediately following the Twin Towers attack in 2001, many citizens of Iran poured into the streets with candles and prayer vigils. So different now:

Christiane Amanpour on Iran: They’re talking about revenge now

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Interesting Times  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:42:02pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:42:04pm

re: #138 Citizen K

Just….wow.

The idea that Trump is somehow this towering paragon of moral and personal strength is just…wow. They see him as the great Daddy figure they always wanted, and not the epitome of spoiled arrogant entitlement they claim he stands against. Just…fucking wow.

And you can lay the blame for this on churches!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:42:25pm

re: #138 Citizen K

Just….wow.

The idea that Trump is somehow this towering paragon of moral and personal strength is just…wow. They see him as the great Daddy figure they always wanted, and not the epitome of spoiled arrogant entitlement they claim he stands against. Just…fucking wow.

A lot of people looked at Jim Jones and drank cyanide and phenobarbital-laced Flavor Aid on his command (not all of them, mind you) to commit “revolutionary suicide”.

So…..there’s that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:43:01pm

re: #137 DodgerFan1988

Also…
Keeping migrant babies in secret prisons “saves American lives.”

Moore really is one of the last people I want to hear it from though since he totally downplayed the Russian interference since it was done against HRC who he hates and benefited Bernie who he loves.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:43:25pm

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

Upding for accurately referring to it as Flavor-Aid.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:43:25pm

It’s been said in the past that any time someone here kicks off a war, everyone in the government who has children who can be in the military should be required to go.

Such a law would qualify as a bill of attainder and be unconstitutional. That’s too bad in this case.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:43:36pm

re: #5 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What’s so unexpected about that?

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of economic history knew this was coming.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:44:35pm

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹🎃

It’s been said in the past that any time someone here kicks off a war, everyone in the government who has children who can be in the military should be required to go.

Such a law would qualify as a bill of attainder and be unconstitutional. That’s too bad in this case.

Well kids aren’t always their parents. However, it might be nice to have Dumb and Dumber actually learn a thing two about what war actually is and not just trophy hunting animals like they do.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:45:02pm

Has anyone checked in on Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon to see how they feel about “Hillary totally would be getting us into war”?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:45:41pm

re: #138 Citizen K

Just….wow.

The idea that Trump is somehow this towering paragon of moral and personal strength is just…wow. They see him as the great Daddy figure they always wanted, and not the epitome of spoiled arrogant entitlement they claim he stands against. Just…fucking wow.

What you’re seeing is really no different from how Kim Jong Un, his father, and grandfather are portrayed in North Korea. They don’t want a President. They never did.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:45:43pm

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Has anyone checked in on Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon to see how they feel about “Hillary totally would be getting us into war”?

Silence from THE BOOBSEY TWIT TWINS!

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:46:06pm

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

Upding for accurately referring to it as Flavor-Aid.

If you say “Eat your cake and have it too” people will look at you funny even though it’s techically more correct.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:46:16pm

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Has anyone checked in on Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon to see how they feel about “Hillary totally would be getting us into war”?

They can’t hear you in their mansions where they’re still doing fine despite acting like they’re these revolutionaries.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:46:19pm

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Has anyone checked in on Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon to see how they feel about “Hillary totally would be getting us into war”?

Jill and Susan are of the type where the past beyond last Tuesday never happened in terms of admitting being wrong about a statement or belief.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:47:47pm

re: #138 Citizen K
If you’re raised by a Strict Father (as George Lakoff describes it), after the first time Dad whoops your ass, you will do ANYTHING to not have it happen to you.

You’ll hide, you’ll lie, you’ll implicate anyone in your family, you’ll find and scapegoat ANYONE outside of them. Anything but to have that whoop-ass uncanned on you!

These are our Republicans and the 40% who voted for them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:48:34pm

re: #154 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Jill and Susan are of the type where the past beyond last Tuesday never happened in terms of admitting being wrong about a statement or belief.

A lot of the HRC haters I know still are trying to act like the Dems are just as bad which is nonsense. There’s a big difference between advocating for Congressional approval which is has been a constant theme of Dems in Congress going back to 2001 and doing what we saw last night. It must easy to be so smug when you’ve never actually had to vote on legislation like Susan and Jill have never had to do. And it must be also nice for Susan to ignore that Sanders supported a lot of the same budgets that his army is attacking Warren for having voted for.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:49:04pm

re: #155 Sherlock Hound

If you’re raised by a Strict Father (as George Lakoff describes it), after the first time Dad whoops your ass, you will do ANYTHING to not have it happen to you.

You’ll hide, you’ll lie, you’ll implicate anyone in your family, you’ll find and scapegoat ANYONE outside of them. Anything but to have that whoop-ass uncanned on you!

These are our Republicans and the 40% who voted for them.

Akin to how torture doesn’t work.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:49:12pm

re: #155 Sherlock Hound

If you’re raised by a Strict Father (as George Lakoff describes it), after the first time Dad whoops your ass, you will do ANYTHING to not have it happen to you.

You’ll hide, you’ll lie, you’ll implicate anyone in your family, you’ll find and scapegoat ANYONE outside of them. Anything but to have that whoop-ass uncanned on you!

These are our Republicans and the 40% who voted for them.

If I were a Freudian, I’d suspect that many of these Republicans had warped childhoods. The more likely explanation? They have no idea what a President actually does.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:49:23pm

re: #157 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Akin to how torture doesn’t work.

But but Jack Bauer!

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:50:06pm

What worries me the most here is the distinct possibility that Trump declares a ‘National Emergency’ and tries to suspend 2020 elections, or declares that any dissent constitutes as sedition or treason and starts trying to arrest members of Congress or Presidential candidates.

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:50:09pm

re: #136 Sherlock Hound

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Hell, based upon the reports, Trump’s never been much of a father to his own kids. He’s never treated them as children, he’s treated them as employees in his company who have to work to earn his love. And it’s evident in everything they do, the constant need for recognition and approval. When I think of what sort of “father figure” the man is, I think of the story about how he slapped Uday to the ground for daring to show up for a ball game in a sweater and jeans instead of a suit.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:51:14pm

re: #142 Joe Bacon 🌹

And you can lay the blame for this on churches!

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:51:22pm

re: #31 sagehen

Counterpoint:

“I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.”
Dwight David Eisenhower
Address before the Canadian Club, Ottawa, Canada, 1/10/46

The surest way to become a pacifist is to join the infantry. - Bill Mauldin

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A Mom Anon  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:51:22pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

We can pretty much rest assured that Trump was raised by monsters incapable of love, compassion and empathy. And he has passed that legacy to his kids. Lord only knows what his grandkids experience.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:52:24pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

As I just said in different words, there’s nothing a Republican loves more than to see someone else, or someone’s kids being beaten. That’s all they live for.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:52:28pm

re: #164 A Mom Anon

We can pretty much rest assured that Trump was raised by monsters incapable of love, compassion and empathy. And he has passed that legacy to his kids. Lord only knows what his grandkids experience.

I feel bad for the grandkids and Barron. I really do. Junior, Ivanka, and Eric though? They can fuck off. Tiffany I don’t know about.

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:53:21pm

re: #155 Sherlock Hound

If you’re raised by a Strict Father (as George Lakoff describes it), after the first time Dad whoops your ass, you will do ANYTHING to not have it happen to you.

You’ll hide, you’ll lie, you’ll implicate anyone in your family, you’ll find and scapegoat ANYONE outside of them. Anything but to have that whoop-ass uncanned on you!

These are our Republicans and the 40% who voted for them.

In other words, the cycle of abuse played out on a national political scale.

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:53:29pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

A lot of the HRC haters I know still are trying to act like the Dems are just as bad which is nonsense. There’s a big difference between advocating for Congressional approval which is has been a constant theme of Dems in Congress going back to 2001 and doing what we saw last night. It must easy to be so smug when you’ve never actually had to vote on legislation like Susan and Jill have never had to do. And it must be also nice for Susan to ignore that Sanders supported a lot of the same budgets that his army is attacking Warren for having voted for.

Sanders one “anti-war” vote was for Iraq. He even voted for the AUMF, the one document that has been used by three administration to justify every act that he’s spoken out against in the “War on Terror.” And he’s voted again and again for defense authorizations, particularly ones that include spending that goes to Vermont, with the usual “I’m looking out for my constituents” excuses.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:53:40pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

What you’re seeing is really no different from how Kim Jong Un, his father, and grandfather are portrayed in North Korea. They don’t want a President. They never did.

You’re right….they don’t want a President. They want a Messiah, an earthly Messiah, right here right now, to lead them into their promised land.

And that Messiah is a morbidly obese, spray-tanned, addlepated homunculus with a bad combover and a small pecker.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:55:13pm

re: #160 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

What worries me the most here is the distinct possibility that Trump declares a ‘National Emergency’ and tries to suspend 2020 elections, or declares that any dissent constitutes as sedition or treason and starts trying to arrest members of Congress or Presidential candidates.

We will have to be loud. Stats from yesterday showed that 16% of Republicans don’t want him to run again. And the conservative person I talked to here thought the whole Trump 2024 argument was stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:56:19pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

Sanders one “anti-war” vote was for Iraq. He even voted for the AUMF, the one document that has been used by three administration to justify every act that he’s spoken out against in the “War on Terror.” And he’s voted again and again for defense authorizations, particularly ones that include spending that goes to Vermont, with the usual “I’m looking out for my constituents” excuses.

And you know what? I could get that if he and his supporters didn’t act like only he was against this kind of shit. As I said, there’s an element in this country that is totally uninformed about what Presidents actually do and yeah the Bernie left is with them.

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:56:24pm

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

You’re right….they don’t want a President. They want a Messiah, an earthly Messiah, right here right now, to lead them into their promised land.

And that Messiah is a morbidly obese, spray-tanned, addelpated homunculus with a bad combover and a small pecker.

Shows what you know, libz were the one that made Obama their Messiah, because they hate god and he was the true Anti-Christ, unlike our great golden Second Coming of Prosperity Jesus Trump, First Of His Name, Praise Be Upon His Girth!

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Mike Lamb  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:56:30pm

re: #132 Citizen K

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We just told everyone to get out of Iraq and they’re scurrying for cover?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:57:01pm

re: #170 Belafon

We will have to be loud. Stats from yesterday showed that 16% of Republicans don’t want him to run again. And the conservative person I talked to here thought the whole Trump 2024 argument was stupid.

I can’t see Trump 2024. What I do see is a huge passing of the guard type coronation to someone absolutely loyal to Trump.

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plansbandc  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:57:01pm

re: #136 Sherlock Hound

Jesus Fucking Christ.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:57:44pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I will never watch “24”. Can’t make me.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:57:56pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

I am sick and tired of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell. - William Tecumseh Sherman

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:59:05pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Well kids aren’t always their parents. However, it might be nice to have Dumb and Dumber actually learn a thing two about what war actually is and not just trophy hunting animals like they do.

Doesn’t matter if their kids are like them are not. Vote for war, your kids go to enlistment intake (no officer corps for you).

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:59:21pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

I can’t see Trump 2024. What I do see is a huge passing of the guard type coronation.

They’re envisioning a President-For-Life situation once Trump abolishes the general election, with Ivanka being handed the seat ‘For the Good of the Country’.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 12:59:29pm

re: #176 Sherlock Hound

I will never watch “24”. Can’t make me.

It amused me in a way to see a bunch of fatass right wingers using a fictional show to justify torture.

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:01:37pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

And you know what? I could get that if he and his supporters didn’t act like only he was against this kind of shit. As I said, there’s an element in this country that is totally uninformed about what Presidents actually do and yeah the Bernie left is with them.

The ultimate irony is that Bernie once caused headlines back home when anti-war protestors squatted in his Vermont office to protest his vote to authorize US soldiers to be sent as part of the peacekeeping forces in the Balkans.

His response? Have the cops arrest the lot of them for trespassing.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:01:41pm

re: #177 Romantic Heretic

I’m from the same town as Sherman. We left there when I was little and moved to Columbus. In high school we did a field trip to his birthplace and that quote was read to us by our tour guide as we went from room to room. I used to have a book about him somewhere, but I think it got lost in one of many moves before I got married.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:01:47pm

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Doesn’t matter if their kids are like them are not. Vote for war, your kids go to enlistment intake (no officer corps for you).

I can’t get behind that sorry. Not every child of a powerful man and woman is a clueless ass hat like Donald Trump, Jr. I understand your opinion but I disagree vehemently with the idea because it acts like the children of these Congressmen are identical clones of their parents politically. Do I think the armed forces would benefit from having more representation from across class and socio-economic lines? Hell yes but I don’t know how you do that by forcing conscription on people for their parents voting choices.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:02:57pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

The ultimate irony is that Bernie once caused headlines back home when anti-war protestors squatted in his Vermont office to protest his vote to authorize US soldiers to be sent as part of the peacekeeping forces in the Balkans.

His response? Have the cops arrest the lot of them for trespassing.

Bernie isn’t very tolerant of dissent. He has a lot of Trump in him and that’s why I don’t want him as a nominee. Biden? Yeah he annoys the fuck out of me sometimes but Biden is coming from this from a small letter d- democratic place. Bernie I don’t know sometimes and goddamn it Bernie’s crapping on immigrants still pisses me off.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:03:22pm

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

You’re right….they don’t want a President. They want a Messiah, an earthly Messiah, right here right now, to lead them into their promised land.

And that Messiah is a morbidly obese, spray-tanned, addlepated homunculus with a bad combover and a small pecker.

Given the makeup of Trump’s most fervent ‘base’, I think the correct term here is that they want a Fuhrer.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:03:37pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

The showrunners got that from fucking Alan Dershowitz and his fucking “ticking-timebomb” theory! As if a bomber won’t tell his captors what they want to hear!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:04:25pm

re: #176 Sherlock Hound

I will never watch “24”. Can’t make me.

I watched one episode, and it was….dumb.

Time to call it a day. Have fun, Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:04:47pm

re: #185 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Given the makeup of Trump’s most fervent ‘base’, I think the correct term here is that they want a Fuhrer.

I remember when they lost their shit over Obama doing things that legitimately constitutional and as unfortunate as the drone attacks were, the people who attacked the usage of drones acted like it was Obama being evil about it, if we had kept up conventional bombing strategy, there would be even more causalities. And yeah? We shouldn’t have been in Iraq in the first place but that wasn’t Obama’s fucking fault.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:05:20pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I feel bad for the grandkids and Barron. I really do. Junior, Ivanka, and Eric though? They can fuck off. Tiffany I don’t know about.

Tiffany is no better; she just mostly stays below the radar. She surfaced recently, though. As a reminder, she worked on Trump’s campaign as well.

Tiffany Trump Returns to Law School After Dad’s Assistant Is Forced Out for Talking About Her to Reporters (People)

President Donald Trump’s younger daughter returned Tuesday to Georgetown University, where she is finishing her law degree, in the wake of a White House scandal about what Trump really thinks about his kids, what he has been telling staffers and how indiscreet they are in discussing that with the press.

Though she had appeared to obliquely reference the drama over the weekend — or at least her own self-esteem amid headlines about being bad-mouthed by a government official — Tiffany Trump was all positivity in a back-to-school Instagram photo on Tuesday.

“Last first day of school,” she wrote in the caption, with a check mark and customary Georgetown hashtags.

That some of the commenters were critics of her father’s (with one posting “Ironic that Daddy is currently dismantling the Rule of Law in this country”) was a reminder that, until last week, Tiffany largely avoided the political spotlight most of the rest of her family has sought.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:05:44pm

re: #186 Sherlock Hound

The showrunners got that from fucking Alan Dershowitz and his fucking “ticking-timebomb” theory! As if a bomber won’t tell his captors what they want to hear!

And of course Dersh has never actually been in LEO let alone a terrorist situation. He’s a guy who made his name defending Von Bulow. 9/11 made a lot of people really reactionary minded sadly.

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plansbandc  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:06:03pm

All bets are on the table including the fat orange garbage dump incinerating the planet.

I honestly believe he’s batshit insane enough to press the button.

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b.d. (Lock Him Up!)  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:07:39pm

Howdy Lizards:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:07:47pm

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Tiffany is no better; she just mostly stays below the radar. She surfaced recently, though. As a reminder, she worked on Trump’s campaign as well.

Tiffany Trump Returns to Law School After Dad’s Assistant Is Forced Out for Talking About Her to Reporters (People)

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I can only be angry at so many people AM. Tiffany’s not worth it for me. In fact, I’m trying to be less angry about all the shit that’s going on. Ivanka pisses me off because her and Jared are influencing policy without any qualification and making tons of fuck you money on it. I have to see Eric and Don Jr constantly attacking anyone who doesn’t think Daddy is the ebst thing ever. Tiffany is a small potato to me.

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:08:16pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

It amused me in a way to see a bunch of fatass right wingers using a fictional show to justify torture.

re: #186 Sherlock Hound

The showrunners got that from fucking Alan Dershowitz and his fucking “ticking-timebomb” theory! As if a bomber won’t tell his captors what they want to hear!

One of my favorite things that Burn Notice did was absolutely deconstruct this approach and how useless it was. Along with “Guns make you stupid; better to fight your wars with duct tape. Duct tape makes you smart.”

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Dread Pirate  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:08:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:09:24pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

I can only be angry at so many people AM. Tiffany’s not worth it for me. In fact, I’m trying to be less angry about all the shit that’s going on. Ivanka pisses me off because her and Jared are influencing policy without any qualification and making tons of fuck you money on it. I have to see Eric and Don Jr constantly attacking anyone who doesn’t think Daddy is the ebst thing ever. Tiffany is a small potato to me.

I’m not angry about it; Tiffany is what she is. It’s just a response to a comment “I don’t know much about Tiffany” so I provided some information.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:10:10pm

re: #194 Citizen K

One of my favorite things that Burn Notice did was absolutely deconstruct this approach and how useless it was. Along with “Guns make you stupid; better to fight your wars with duct tape. Duct tape makes you smart.”

I remember ABC or CBS showed the fallacy of the good guy with a gun nonsense. I’m a war history reader. I don’t profess to be an expert but there are many a story about decorated service members completely getting the jump on entire enemy platoons and getting them to surrender. But somehow these fools believe that Billy Joe and his gun will stop any massacre and not make bad situations even more confusing for first responders.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:10:32pm

re: #147 Romantic Heretic

It’s just that this important fact is going to get buried in all the war hysteria.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:11:00pm

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m not angry about it; Tiffany is what she is. It’s just a response to a comment “I don’t know much about Tiffany” so I provided some information.

I know, I know. I’m sorry. I’m having a really really shitty day. I would be even if Trump were to be be convicted 100-0 by the Senate.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:11:45pm

Smoke break.

One thing I won’t miss about Chicago is $15 cigarettes.

A person stopped me when my wife and I were smoking outside my mother’s apartment house a couple days ago and asked for one. I gave it to her and she offered money for it; I declined.

The issue here is if I accepted money i would be guilty of “selling loosies” and though I don’t see myself in Eric Garner’s position, I don’t need the tobacco cops hassling me either.

Sin taxes are good flat taxes for punishing the poor though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:13:14pm

re: #160 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

What worries me the most here is the distinct possibility that Trump declares a ‘National Emergency’ and tries to suspend 2020 elections, or declares that any dissent constitutes as sedition or treason and starts trying to arrest members of Congress or Presidential candidates.

This EXACTLY the kind of shit they tried to convince us Obama was going to do. Except in this case, knowing Trump, it seems a lot more plausible.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:14:06pm

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

This EXACTLY the kind of shit they tried to convince us Obama was going to do. Except in this case, knowing Trump, it seems a lot more plausible.

Well Trump has done a lot of other things they’ve accused Obama of wanting to do. So why not. They ain’t interested in multiparty rule and that’s for damn sure.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:25:00pm

re: #28 jaunte

YouTube

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aatharuv  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:26:24pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

To be fair, the only person then in Congress who did right on the AUMF was Barbara Lee.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:26:36pm

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and Patriot Cats

YouTube

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:27:00pm

re: #203 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

A reporter is gonna ask Trump about Iran and he’s gonna say “Iran had a very bad guy, very very bad, and we hate bad, they say bad is good, the other side says it, but bad is bad, you know it and I know it” and then John King is gonna say “strong words from the president”

and a good share of the audience are going to nod their heads and commend the in-depth journalism…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:27:44pm

re: #204 aatharuv

To be fair, the only person then in Congress who did right on the AUMF was Barbara Lee.

I think the issue isn’t that Bernie voted for AUMF. It’s that he did and his surrogates talk shit on others who voted for it and similar legislation.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:30:09pm

re: #26 sagehen

Wonder what we’ll rename Persian rugs.

Before rugs, it used to be cashew nuts that was ‘The Pride of Iran’.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:31:20pm

re: #208 Eric The Fruit Bat

Before rugs, it used to be cashew nuts that was ‘The Pride of Iran’.

I thought it was pistachio nuts…

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:32:40pm

re: #208 Eric The Fruit Bat

Before rugs, it used to be cashew nuts that was ‘The Pride of Iran’.

gesundheit

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Mescalero09  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:32:44pm

New from Joe. Drop D masterpiece. Guy just gets better and better.
Respectful crowd too. No jerkoffs screaming “YEAH!”

Joe Bonamassa Official - “Pain and Sorrow” from Tour de Force: The Borderline

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:33:10pm

Here’s something those who hate on Obama for drones don’t tell you. Their use would have expanded if McCain won too. They would have expanded had anyone won in 2008. Drone warfare is unfortunate but it’s just like how Obama pointed out to Romney that we have less cavalry than we did 100 years ago when Romney tried to attack Obama on the Navy.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:37:47pm

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Dread Pirate  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:40:12pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:41:47pm

re: #214 Dread Pirate

Or for that matter, anything close to or even remotely resembling the truth.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:42:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:43:05pm

re: #214 Dread Pirate

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Russia is going to stir up Anti American activity and Putin will tell Trump that it’s his domestic enemies doing and Trump will believe it for the same reason he always believes Putin.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:43:49pm

re: #214 Dread Pirate

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He’s your boy, Lavrov.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:45:27pm

Believe nothing from this administration. The reason Trump whacked that guy is he doesn’t want his trial in the senate. “How can you try and remove the commander in chief while we are at war??!!”

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:45:33pm

Pence is lying his ass off about Iran’s role in the 9/11 attacks.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:46:42pm

re: #220 lawhawk

Pence is lying his ass off about Iran’s role in the 9/11 attacks.

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All Muslims are the same to mother’s husband.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:47:22pm

re: #219 Ace Rothstein

Believe nothing from this administration. The reason Trump whacked that guy is he doesn’t want his trial in the senate. “How can you try and remove the commander in chief while we are at war??!!”

Maybe we can impeach him twice for violating the War Powers Act.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:47:33pm

re: #216 Dread Pirate

I’m pretty sure when Trump consulted Rudy he said it was OK.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:49:26pm

re: #223 Belafon

I’m pretty sure when Trump consulted Rudy he said it was OK.

Rudy says that Hunter Biden worked for Iran.//

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:51:27pm

Off-topic: Tomorrow is our last full day here. My wife is planning out what to do, and she’s settled on going to the Skokie Heritage Museum (see the log cabin that started it all), and the Illinois Holocaust Museum.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:51:49pm

re: #220 lawhawk

If Iran had had anything to do with 9/11, Cowboy and Dick would’ve turned Iran into a mushroom cloud a long time ago.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:52:11pm

re: #112 A Mom Anon

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gocart mozart  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:52:56pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:53:17pm

I’m logging off the Internets for Shabbat. See y’all on the other side of Saturday (if the world doesn’t come to an end)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:53:24pm

I mentioned that Trump had a lot of Executive cards hidden up his voluminous sleeves, he has just played a major one: War President.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:54:01pm

re: #226 Ace Rothstein

There was no evidence of Iranian involvement.
There was less so about Iraq.

And once again, I’m going to mention that Pence and the Trumpists are quick to claim that intel demanded this response and action, when it’s the same intel organizations that warn of Russian influence and they claim that none of those in the intel community should be trusted.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:54:06pm

re: #219 Ace Rothstein

Believe nothing from this administration. The reason Trump whacked that guy is he doesn’t want his trial in the senate. “How can you try and remove the commander in chief while we are at war??!!”

im ready for this

1. why not? why cant you remove president during a war?
oh wait, there’s nothing preventing it so we can.

2. if he did in fact do the things alleged in the articles, how can we not?
how does starting a war get you out of a trial?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:54:58pm

re: #112 A Mom Anon

I can’t even bear to look at Facebook right now, I have a feeling my tiny friend list is about to get smaller. The arrogant tangerine strikes again. He literally cannot make anything better at all. JFC.

And in other news….

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:55:01pm

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I mentioned that Trump had a lot of Executive cards hidden up his voluminous sleeves, he has just played a major one: War President.

I think you underestimate how war weary the country has gotten.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:56:15pm

It’s been a shitty day. I don’t know if I should drink the bouguie beer I bought on NYD or smoke. Or both. I just want to be able to laugh, smile, or something.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:56:19pm

Of course, the “moderate” GOP senators who might have voted to convict Trump will now decide it imprudent due to the “war.”

I like this sentiment:

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:56:21pm

re: #231 lawhawk

There was no evidence of Iranian involvement.
There was less so about Iraq.

And once again, I’m going to mention that Pence and the Trumpists are quick to claim that intel demanded this response and action, when it’s the same intel organizations that warn of Russian influence and they claim that none of those in the intel community should be trusted.

different desk // .5

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:57:14pm

re: #236 Barefoot Grin

Of course, the “moderate” GOP senators who might have voted to convict Trump will now decide it imprudent due to the “war.”

I like this sentiment:

A load of shit.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:58:15pm

re: #220 lawhawk

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:58:25pm

Folks, alert me when this asshole enlists!

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:59:04pm

re: #236 Barefoot Grin

Of course, the “moderate” GOP senators who might have voted to convict Trump will now decide it imprudent due to the “war.”

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i dare them to say that’s why they voted that way and not “he didnt do it”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 1:59:29pm

re: #240 Joe Bacon 🌹

Folks, alert me when this asshole enlists!

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A Mom Anon  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:00:07pm

re: #227 The Pie Overlord!

/kF65v1MHRuFGxwjNiIW2NqYSwNdfc/Bi01ruImbiJSXqoltJkOXtg==

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:01:05pm

re: #242 Blind Frog Belly White

Jacob’s the kind of guy that gets fragged in the movies. The cocky little shit who talks about killing “them” but actually doesn’t have any real courage. Just a talky little shithead who thinks war is a game.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:02:26pm

re: #240 Joe Bacon 🌹

“Private Wohl, charge up that hill, we will be right behind you.”

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:03:08pm

pelosi: (remember; impeachment)

Today, Leader McConnell made clear that he will feebly comply with President Trump’s cover-up of his abuses of power and will be an accomplice to that cover-up.

Leader McConnell is doubling down on his violation of his oath, even after the exposure of new, deeply incriminating documents this week which provide further evidence of what we know: President Trump abused the power of his office for personal, political gain.

took a while
she / they really nailed down the soundbite

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:03:22pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

I think you underestimate how war weary the country has gotten.

It will bump his approval ratings and distract from the other unpleasantness, a net win for him.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:03:47pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

The other “F” Word.
Sorry, I thought the same thing. not///

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:04:04pm

re: #245 Belafon

“Private Wohl, charge up that hill, we will be right behind you.”

Worst fear would be Wohl as an officer. He seems like the kind of guy who gets his men killed. Think Lt. Dike as portrayed in “Band of Brothers”, at the battle of Foy.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:04:47pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:04:50pm

Wohl would enlist on a Monday and bail on Tuesday afternoon. Guaranteed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:05:32pm

I wonder if Trump realizes that a war which spikes oil prices will ruin his “tremendous”, “record setting” economy?

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:05:50pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

Worst fear would be Wohl as an officer. He seems like the kind of guy who gets his men killed. Think Lt. Dike as portrayed in “Band of Brothers”, at the battle of Foy.

Lt. Wohl, as you said above, would somehow meet an unfortunate end involving “enemy” fire hundreds of miles from the enemy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:06:28pm

re: #252 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Trump realizes that a war which spikes oil prices will ruin his “tremendous”, “record setting” economy?

But it’ll make his Saudi pals, and Russia, more money.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:06:37pm

re: #252 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Trump realizes that a war which spikes oil prices will ruin his “tremendous”, “record setting” economy?

again, it Iran really wants to make us bleed, they will close the traits of Hormuz and make us pay for it at the pumps

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:06:44pm

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Off-topic: Tomorrow is our last full day here. My wife is planning out what to do, and she’s settled on going to the Skokie Heritage Museum (see the log cabin that started it all), and the Illinois Holocaust Museum.

PBS currently has a series going about art in Chicago; the Southside Community Arts Center looked pretty good.
sscartcenter.org
chicagotribune.com
admission free.
it’s officially a National Treasure

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:08:11pm

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It will bump his approval ratings and distract from the other unpleasantness, a net win for him.

For a while, yeah. Just like every other goddamn thing that was supposed to boost him up. They all fade eventually.

Impeachment is not going away.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:08:17pm
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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:08:35pm

Bad case of fraud spurs.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:08:49pm

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It will bump his approval ratings and distract from the other unpleasantness, a net win for him.

I really don’t want ot fucking hear that today of all days. Just stop it for my sake, tonight. Let me have some optimism.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:09:54pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

I really don’t want ot fucking hear that today of all days. Just stop it for my sake, tonight. Let me have some optimism.

Wendell says everything will bump Trump’s approval ratings.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:10:02pm

re: #240 Joe Bacon 🌹

Folks, alert me when this asshole enlists!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:10:29pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

I really don’t want ot fucking hear that today of all days. Just stop it for my sake, tonight. Let me have some optimism.

My most optimistic statement is that things have to get worse before they can start to get better and we have not seen the worst yet by a long shot…

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Jay C  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:11:01pm

re: #240 Joe Bacon 🌹

Folks, alert me when this asshole enlists!

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Yeah, SRSLY: I can just see Fakey Jake dealing with boot camp…..

‘cuz I’m sure his notion of “enlisting” means him (or his father) pulling strings to get him commissioned as a Captain, and put in charge of Internet Relations for the 82nd Airborne……

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:11:04pm

re: #261 Belafon

Wendell says everything will bump Trump’s approval ratings.

I know but I’m having a particularly shitty day and am a little more on edge than usual. It ain’t Wendell. It’s that today has been one of the longest days of my life. I’ve never been intimately involved with a death before.

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:11:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:11:38pm

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My most optimistic statement is that things have to get worse before they can start to get better and we have not seen the worst yet by a long shot…

I know, I know. I’m sorry. It’s just this day sucks for so many reasons and as I told AM ealrier, I would be feeling it even if McConnell and the Senate convicted Trump 100-0.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:12:39pm

re: #262 DodgerFan1988

FDR’s son was in his mid 30’s and became a Marine raider commander in WWII. Eric? I wouldn’t even want Eric in charge of a mess hall.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:13:17pm

re: #261 Belafon

Wendell says everything will bump Trump’s approval ratings.

Remember all the things that were supposed to derail or flame out his campaign?

It does not help that we have a press that will go along with anything to stay on the sweet side of a media star to guarantee continued access.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:14:16pm

Break in the action.
I built a bunch of these screech owl/kestrel nest boxes last month and decided to mount an Arlo cam inside to see goings on.

Photos off my phone always load sideways…..
Anyway, I mounted the box Wednesday. Rachel the local SO came in to check it out before going to bed for the day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:14:38pm

re: #262 DodgerFan1988

Don’t forget Kaitlyn Bennett.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:15:14pm

Trump’s problem is 30 minute news cycle he largely created. Everything moves so fast now, because Trump has to keep doing something new and outrageous every day to keep his name at the top of the news that any boost he does get will be shortlived.

Add to that the fact that it only really works to say “We shouldn’t change Presidents in the middle of a war” if it’s not, you know, the actual President saying it, over and over and over and over, with an added dollop of “It’s not fair!!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:15:23pm

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember all the things that were supposed to derail or flame out his campaign?

It does not help that we have a press that will go along with anything to stay on the sweet side of a media star to guarantee continued access.

Again, just today please. I know we’ve considered Trump’s career dead before but please I need some optimism even if I’m not sure what’s going to happen here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:15:46pm

re: #271 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t forget Kaitlyn Bennett.

I’m sure James O’Keefe could get a commission with his sex toy boat.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:16:21pm

re: #254 Blind Frog Belly White

But it’ll make his Saudi pals, and Russia, more money.

And Venezuela.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:16:54pm

re: #270 Dave In Austin

Break in the action.
I built a bunch of these screech owl/kestrel nest boxes last month and decided to mount an Arlo cam inside to see goings on.

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I find that full size iPhone pics tend to load sideways. I delete them from the LGF library, resize in Paint, then re-upload them.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:17:19pm

re: #258 jaunte

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i’d be interested in where that ‘unquestionable power’ comes from

personally, i question it, so there’s that

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:17:24pm

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And Venezuela.

Now that would be an interesting unintended consequence. Strengthening Maudro’s power. Not that he actually gives two shits about Venezuela or the Venezuelan people.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:18:37pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:19:51pm

re: #270 Dave In Austin

If you take the picture when you have your iPhone sideways with the camera lens in the upper left hand corner it should take the picture as a regular camera would.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:20:28pm

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember all the things that were supposed to derail or flame out his campaign?

It does not help that we have a press that will go along with anything to stay on the sweet side of a media star to guarantee continued access.

Democrats took the House. We’re not going to hit bottom unless Trump literally goes ballistic.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:20:35pm

re: #266 makeitstop

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now we’re justifying he had to go, and right now, because he “is directly/indirectly responsible for the suffering & deaths of hundreds of thousands of people”

people
not even americans
in a single day we’ve gone from it’s a response for one contractor death, to a few hundred american deaths, to hundreds of thousands of “people”

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:22:13pm

re: #276 Blind Frog Belly White

I find that full size iPhone pics tend to load sideways. I delete them from the LGF library, resize in Paint, then re-upload them.

I’ve discovered emailing them to myself and using that file works. Don’t know why.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:22:31pm

re: #281 Belafon

Democrats took the House. We’re not going to hit bottom unless Trump literally goes ballistic.

Could fucking hug you right now :). I can’t despair. I just don’t see how he positively spins this in his favor at all at this point. And you know what? The response isn’t exactly inspiring confidence.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:23:43pm

re: #280 PhillyPretzel

If you take the picture when you have your iPhone sideways with the camera lens in the upper left hand corner it should take the picture as a regular camera would.

I think it’s a file size thing. That’s why resizing seems to work. I did this just the other day with this picture.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:24:44pm

re: #285 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes. And that too. I usually mail them to myself in the smallest size available.

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Jay C  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:25:32pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

I’m sure James O’Keefe could get a commission with his sex toy boat.

USS Breitbart??

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aatharuv  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:26:34pm

re: #282 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

The Trump administration will if being less dishonest than usual, only give him 100% of the blame for the Yemeni Civil War, sectarian violence in Iraq, and the entire Syrian civil war.

If being they’re usual level of dishonest, they’ll also tie him to the creation of ISIS, or maybe even 9/11.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:26:59pm

re: #287 Jay C

USS Breitbart??

It’s the only ship in the Navy fully made of cocaine and deceptive footage!

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:27:09pm

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump’s problem is 30 minute news cycle he largely created. Everything moves so fast now, because Trump has to keep doing something new and outrageous every day to keep his name at the top of the news that any boost he does get will be shortlived.

Add to that the fact that it only really works to say “We shouldn’t change Presidents in the middle of a war” if it’s not, you know, the actual President saying it, over and over and over and over, with an added dollop of “It’s not fair!!”

And there you have it. 100% agree.

As much as Trump is able to capitalize on a news cycle, he’s also a captive of it.

Any advantage that Trump gets in the news cycle is going to be temporary. And as long as Pelosi et al stay on message, their message will outlive any momentary bump Trump will get form any of the stunts he pulls.

Why do you think he’s pulled so many stunts? Because the buzz wears off.

Impeachment is not going away.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:27:59pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Could fucking hug you right now :). I can’t despair. I just don’t see how he positively spins this in his favor at all at this point. And you know what? The response isn’t exactly inspiring confidence.

If we can get the fucker out of office in 2020 my optimism will return. But if he manages to get re-elected (and the fact that I see him with a fair-to-middlin’ chance is disconcerting enough) then that is the end of any optimism I could possibly muster.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:31:01pm

re: #290 makeitstop

And there you have it. 100% agree.

As much as Trump is able to capitalize on a news cycle, he’s also a captive of it.

Any advantage that Trump gets in the news cycle is going to be temporary. And as long as Pelosi et al stay on message, their message will outlive any momentary bump Trump will get form any of the stunts he pulls.

Why do you think he’s pulled so many stunts? Because the buzz wears off.

Impeachment is not going away.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:32:43pm

Meanwhile, over at Pulpit Pimp-0-Rama…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:32:51pm

Put On Your Pretend Shocked Face: Donald Trump (Allegedly) Creeped On A Fox News Lady (Wonkette)

She says Trump told her she was “the hottest one at Fox News” and called her office line a few weeks after she mentioned an interest in working as a judge on his Miss USA beauty pageant.

“Though he said I couldn’t be a judge since I worked at a different network, he did ask me about my career goals and complimented my work at FNC,” Friel, 39, wrote in a sneak peek of her book shared with the Daily News.

“Then, out of nowhere, he said: ‘You should come up to my office sometime, so we can kiss,’” Friel claimed.

(more)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:33:10pm

re: #291 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we can get the fucker out of office in 2020 my optimism will return. But if he manages to get re-elected (and the fact that I see him with a fair-to-middlin’ chance is disconcerting enough) then that is the end of any optimism I could possibly muster.

Again I just need some for today. But there were people who insisted that the Dems would never retake teh House- they did. Then they insitsed an impeachment would never happen. It has. It’s not yet by a long shot but damn it I’m feeling more optimistic about getting this pigfaced sob gone in November. It’s been a long four years. I’m ready for Spring.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:36:58pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:37:10pm

uh oh!

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Teddy's Person  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:37:29pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

I’m so sorry for your loss. It sounds like you have a tight-knit family. Take comfort in one another. 💙

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:37:55pm

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yeah, now that you mention it..German was the brand…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:38:15pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:38:18pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:39:13pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

Jacob’s the kind of guy that gets fragged in the movies. The cocky little shit who talks about killing “them” but actually doesn’t have any real courage. Just a talky little shithead who thinks war is a game.

Or he’s the screamer what gets pulled in the first action.
Either way, I’m good with him enlisting. As long as his colleagues stay safe!

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Teddy's Person  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:40:58pm

re: #26 sagehen

Wonder what we’ll rename Persian rugs.

Freedom Rugs. The people who care about this shit aren’t very imaginative.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:41:41pm

Dumbest marriage proposal of the year.

HOWELL, N.J. — A man who set off fireworks near a movie theater as his friend made a marriage proposal created panic among moviegoers who mistook the fireworks for gunshots, leading to 911 calls and an evacuation, authorities said.

abcnews.go.com

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plansbandc  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:42:54pm

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:45:14pm

re: #264 Jay C

Yeah, SRSLY: I can just see Fakey Jake dealing with boot camp…..

‘cuz I’m sure his notion of “enlisting” means him (or his father) pulling strings to get him commissioned as a Captain, and put in charge of Internet Relations for the 82nd Airborne……

Jacob Wohl can cosplay “I’ll be a military commando” all day long, knowing he cannot enlist because of his felony security fraud conviction.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:49:28pm

re: #296 jaunte

another law with no teeth and no one with an appetite for enforcement

the system assumes (mostly) honest players.
when they realize they dont have to be and nothing will happen to them….

well you get what we got and then more people start to push the previously agreed upon limits

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Jay C  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:50:22pm

re: #306 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Jacob Wohl can cosplay “I’ll be a military commando” all day long, knowing he cannot enlist because of his felony security fraud conviction.

Heh. LOL at that one: you’re right: I think Jacob’s “military” experience is going to be limited to him and BFF Laura (when she can find the time off from her busy Congressional campaign) dressing up in camo and going “pew-pew-pew!” from behind couch cushions in the Wohl basement….

PS: When you were in Chicago, did you have a chance to check out the Art Institute?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:51:50pm

re: #306 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Jacob Wohl can cosplay “I’ll be a military commando” all day long, knowing he cannot enlist because of his felony security fraud conviction.

“i cant enlist because im a felon” doesnt really recommend him much

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:54:19pm

Attention, Charles - here’s Jacob Collier and Jonah Nilsson from Dirty Loops doing a Stevie Wonder tune!

Jacob Collier feat. Jonah Nilsson - Do I Do (Live) | Montreux Jazz Festival 2017

I’m surprised the club didn’t explode from combustible talent.

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plansbandc  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:55:39pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 2:56:40pm

re: #311 plansbandc

The only thing that would make that better is if it were made clear all the bodies were laying on 5th Avenue.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:01:13pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:01:35pm

I know lots of Conservatives who thinks Mexico was a part of the 9/11 terror attacks, hence their “close the border/deport all illegals” mentality.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:02:09pm

re: #298 Teddy’s Person

I’m so sorry for your loss. It sounds like you have a tight-knit family. Take comfort in one another. 💙

Thank you. Yeah we are. My mom’s only sibling passed years ago so my family was really close with my mom’s parents. Plus I owe so much of my intellectual curiosity to both grandparents.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:02:15pm

re: #308 Jay C

Heh. LOL at that one: you’re right: I think Jacob’s “military” experience is going to be limited to him and BFF Laura (when she can find the time off from her busy Congressional campaign) dressing up in camo and going “pew-pew-pew!” from behind couch cushions in the Wohl basement….

PS: When you were in Chicago, did you have a chance to check out the Art Institute?

We did not go to the Art Institute. There is just too much to see here in the short time we are here, and much of that was taken up with family matters (before my family blew up and my wife and I were exiled to our hotel).

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:09:09pm

Personal announcement

Here it is, fresh off the UPS truck! Last word in scale model kits (at least for me). 1/72 scale Saturn V Apollo 11, Dragon Models 50th anniversary edition. This is a little over 5 feet tall when assembled (whenever that might be).

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:11:26pm

re: #317 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Cool.

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plansbandc  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:11:58pm

re: #317 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Cool!!

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:13:06pm

re: #319 plansbandc

GMTA

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:15:24pm

re: #311 plansbandc

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Holy shit, but not wildly inaccurate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:17:34pm

re: #317 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Personal announcement

Here it is, fresh off the UPS truck! Last word in scale model kits (at least for me). 1/72 scale Saturn V Apollo 11, Dragon Models 50th anniversary edition. This is a little over 5 feet tall when assembled (whenever that might be).

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Reminds me of when I was really interested in science and had lots of spacecraft models…until teachers demoralized me in High School Hell.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:18:15pm

re: #264 Jay C

Yeah, SRSLY: I can just see Fakey Jake dealing with boot camp…..

‘cuz I’m sure his notion of “enlisting” means him (or his father) pulling strings to get him commissioned as a Captain, and put in charge of Internet Relations for the 82nd Airborne……

Jacob can cite his experience in the 102nd Chairborne!
//

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:20:33pm

re: #317 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Personal announcement

Here it is, fresh off the UPS truck! Last word in scale model kits (at least for me). 1/72 scale Saturn V Apollo 11, Dragon Models 50th anniversary edition. This is a little over 5 feet tall when assembled (whenever that might be).

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it needs it’s own chair?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:20:39pm

re: #322 Joe Bacon 🌹

Reminds me of when I was really interested in science and had lots of spacecraft models…until teachers demoralized me in High School Hell.

One of my teachers told me I would eventually outgrow the science fiction/space cadet/rocket type stuff. That was in 1958: It hasn’t happened yet.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:21:46pm

re: #323 Sherlock Hound

Jacob can cite his experience in the 102nd Chairborne!
//

Ah, the Kicking Keyboardists!

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uriel  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:24:11pm

re: #288 aatharuv

The Trump administration will if being less dishonest than usual, only If being they’re usual level of dishonest, they’ll also tie him to the creation of ISIS, or maybe even 9/11.

They’re already doing the latter, so… get ready for stupid, I guess.

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retired cynic  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:26:49pm

re: #112 A Mom Anon

I am concerned for your dog trainer, but SOOO relieved for you. I well remember what my parents went through to get my father his payments. Horrible!

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Hal_10000  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:45:24pm
illegal assassination of Iranian military commander Qasem Soleimani

Your opinion was quite different when Anwar Al-Alwaki and his 16 y/o son — American citizens — were assassinated.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:47:04pm

They didn’t waste much time:

Air strikes targeting Iraqi militia kill six: army source (Reuters)

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Air strikes targeting Iraq’s Popular Mobilization Forces umbrella grouping of Iran-backed Shi’ite militias near camp Taji north of Baghdad have killed six people and critically wounded three, an Iraqi army source said late on Friday.

Two of the three vehicles making up a militia convoy were found burned, the source said, as well as six burned corpses. The strikes took place at 1:12 am local time, he said.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:48:09pm

Drink!

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:49:20pm

re: #329 Hal_10000

Your opinion was quite different when Anwar Al-Alwaki and his 16 y/o son — American citizens — were assassinated.

You got mighty purty lips there.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:49:30pm

re: #331 Shropshire Slasher

Drink!

It’s a good day for this.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:50:18pm

re: #314 DodgerFan1988

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I know lots of Conservatives who thinks Mexico was a part of the 9/11 terror attacks, hence their “close the border/deport all illegals” mentality.

Well, they did find a bunch of prayer rugs down at the Mexico border.
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:51:20pm

re: #334 Ace Rothstein

Well, they did find a bunch of prayer rugs down at the Mexico border.
//

And rumor had it that Tacos Al Pastor is the Caliphate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:55:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 3:59:42pm

re: #325 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

One of my teachers told me I would eventually outgrow the science fiction/space cadet/rocket type stuff. That was in 1958: It hasn’t happened yet.

it happens the day you die

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:03:20pm

*spit*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:05:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:05:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:07:23pm
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A Mom Anon  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:08:10pm

re: #328 retired cynic

Thanks! I have been so tense and scared about this that I wake up with fingernail marks in my hands from sleeping with my fists clenched and aches and pains from months of just anxiety and worry. It’s not a ton of money and we have to be careful, but keeping the house makes life lots better. My son even looked at moving out because he thought he was a burden. He works full time and can’t afford it. We will be ok and that’s what matters, at least for now.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:09:11pm

Chuck Todd’s ‘Meet the Press Daily’ may be sidelined to make room for Nicolle Wallace (goes to Page Six)

That would be a real shame. /s

Chuck Todd’s “Meet the Press Daily” could be sidelined at MSNBC as part of a dramatic anchor reshuffling at the cable network to promote rising star Nicolle Wallace.

While the “MTP” flagship, also under NBC political director Todd, remains the No. 1 rated Sunday political show, with over 3 million viewers, his weekday 5 p.m. spinoff show has seen a dip in the all-important 25-to-54 age demographic. It airs between more popular, opinionated shows: Wallace’s “Deadline: White House,” which peaked with 2 million viewers in 2019, and “The Beat With Ari Melber.”

(more)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:09:53pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

I won’t forget how Dr. Ford was treated. I was too young for Anita Hill but I will remember Kavanaugh acting like a belligerent asshole and the pity parade he got.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:10:09pm

re: #343 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Chuck Todd’s ‘Meet the Press Daily’ may be sidelined to make room for Nicolle Wallace (goes to Page Six)

That would be a real shame. /s

(more)

Put Press The Meat To Sleep!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:13:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:15:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:15:32pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:16:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:18:08pm

re: #349 gocart mozart

They won’t get all these leaders and new leaders will rise.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:19:38pm

re: #349 gocart mozart

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Looks like we picked the side of MbS. I wonder why.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:19:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:20:47pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s not going to do it. He’s going to rage at Swalwell for suggesing that he has to do it. Why? Because Trump thinks he doesn’t have to answer to anyone. That’s why.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:21:03pm

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who is the asshat Mr. Wright is responding to? (What a thread.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:24:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:25:20pm

speaking of profit…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:26:46pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

That would mean actually leading and not watching Fox suck him off about how he’s the best ever and it’s terrible to criticize him for this. It would also mean not golfing as much. Fact is. Trump is a lazy piece of shit worshiped by even lazier pieces of shit.

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bigredwookie  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:30:36pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I personally think it makes perfect sense. The idiots getting us into these conflicts have no personal risk, I.e. family members being on the front lines, because it’s an all volunteer force. Reinstate the draft and give them something to worry about. Might see a marked reduction in war-mongering.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:31:46pm

hmmmm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:33:56pm

re: #358 bigredwookie

I personally think it makes perfect sense. The idiots getting us into these conflicts have no personal risk, I.e. family members being on the front lines, because it’s an all volunteer force. Reinstate the draft and give them something to worry about. Might see a marked reduction in war-mongering.

The thing is I don’t want to punish these sons and daughters for their parents’ warlust. I’m sure a lot of them or even most of them probably do share their politics but still. I do understand where you’re coming from a little with the draft. We both agree that modern warfare means the more affluent classes are isolated from it compared to the past though.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:35:02pm

re: #358 bigredwookie

Implement a 15% war tax and see how long they support a war.

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danarchy  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:35:03pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmmm

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Getting to keep the venison is one of the few perks of totaling your car on a dark road at night…

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:37:55pm

Totally off topic:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:38:15pm

re: #361 Ace Rothstein

Implement a 15% war tax and see how long they support a war.

It remains to me one of the most stupid economic moves in recent memory to have done a massive tax cut and then two wars as the Bush administration did. Yet another example on how conservatives are nowhere near as intelligent about the economy as they think they are.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:39:41pm

re: #364 HappyWarrior

Or anything else for that matter.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:39:56pm

re: #364 HappyWarrior

It remains to me one of the most stupid economic moves in recent memory to have done a massive tax cut and then two wars as the Bush administration did. Yet another example on how conservatives are nowhere near as intelligent about the economy as they think they are.

BUTBUTBUT THE WARS STIMULATED THE ECONOMY BY SPURRING DEFENSE SPENDING SO THE TRICKLE DOWN THEORY WORKED!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:40:57pm

re: #362 danarchy

Getting to keep the venison is one of the few perks of totaling your car on a dark road at night…

indeed

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:42:07pm

re: #365 Ace Rothstein

Or anything else for that matter.

Especially social policy. HEY WE”RE FOR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS but we also oppose LGBT people having the same civil protections as straight people because our evangelical base doesn’t like ot acknowledge gay people exist because it hurts their assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:42:42pm

re: #366 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

BUTBUTBUT THE WARS STIMULATED THE ECONOMY BY SPURRING DEFENSE SPENDING SO THE TRICKLE DOWN THEORY WORKED!!!!

I’ve been calling Trickle Down Economics “Piss on you economics” for a while now because in TD Econ, the very wealthy piss on you and tell you it’s raining.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:43:24pm

re: #369 HappyWarrior

I’ve been calling Trickle Down Economics “Piss on you economics” for a while now because in TD Econ, the very wealthy piss on you and tell you it’s raining.

Yeah, I’ve heard that description before (maybe from you, even, I don’t remember). It’s perfectly accurate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:44:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:45:16pm

re: #370 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yeah, I’ve heard that description before (maybe from you, even, I don’t remember). It’s perfectly accurate.

I’m sure I’m not the only one to see it. Hell even HW Bush realized it was bullshit but he had to pander to the Reaganites after becoming Reagan’s VP and then successor. It just doesn’t work. The people who should be getting most of tax relief should be the middle classes. You give me or you a 500 buck tax cut, we’re going to invest it in the economy. You give a guy making 7 figures a tax cut, he really isn’t. It’s chump change to him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:46:30pm

You know what I miss? I miss having an administration that at least TRIED to have its bullshit pronouncements of authorization not be blatantly horseshit.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:49:38pm

re: #360 HappyWarrior

The thing is I don’t want to punish these sons and daughters for their parents’ warlust. I’m sure a lot of them or even most of them probably do share their politics but still. I do understand where you’re coming from a little with the draft. We both agree that modern warfare means the more affluent classes are isolated from it compared to the past though.

I feel the other way about it.

Since conservatives seem to consider their children as property anyway, it might reduce the warmongering on their behalf.

Mitt Romney avoided the draft by claiming he was a missionary (missionary work was not a valid deferment for the draft, the real reason is “I’m rich”).

No deferrals for wealth or power. Conservatives talk about the so-called Greatest Generation (you know, the one where rich and famous people signed up for the military).

Make the pro-lifers put their own children on the line to show how pro-life they are. Conservatives do not care about a thing unless it affects them personally.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:51:07pm

This is a key point. The reason you abide by the rules is because if you don’t, the other side has no reason to, either. And now Trump has put assassination of key government officials on the table.

Sure, Iran may choose not to take that path. But we didn’t need to open the gate for them.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:52:01pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:54:20pm

re: #376 goddamnedfrank

Somebody gonna tell him? Not I.

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John_Manyjars  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:55:46pm

re: #24 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Rich people are always going to find ways to get out of a draft, they always have- and they can afford the consequences of not going (such as never being able to get a good job thanks to your service record, or lack thereof).

If a war is important enough, people will volunteer. We’d be better off making it so that people have an option besides joining the damned Army to pay for school, meds, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:57:35pm

re: #374 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I feel the other way about it.

Since conservatives seem to consider their children as property anyway, it might reduce the warmongering on their behalf.

Mitt Romney avoided the draft by claiming he was a missionary (missionary work was not a valid deferment for the draft, the real reason is “I’m rich”).

No deferrals for wealth or power. Conservatives talk about the so-called Greatest Generation (you know, the one where rich and famous people signed up for the military).

Make the pro-lifers put their own children on the line to show how pro-life they are. Conservatives do not care about a thing unless it affects them personally.

Again I get it. I just disagree is all. And I’ll add the draft during Vietnam didn’t stop the hawks either. My position is pretty simple. I don’t feel conscription should be used to punish people for the views of their parents. Now what I would favor would be some sort of mandatory public service.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:57:57pm

re: #378 John_Manyjars

Rich people are always going to find ways to get out of a draft, they always have- and they can afford the consequences of not going (such as never being able to get a good job thanks to your service record, or lack thereof).

If a war is important enough, people will volunteer. We’d be better off making it so that people have an option besides joining the damned Army to pay for school, meds, etc.

QFT.

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John_Manyjars  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:58:17pm

re: #191 plansbandc

And sadly there are those in the military insane enough to follow any of his orders. The ‘What if they gave a war and no one came’ idea is instructive. I can dream, anyway.

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dell*nix  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:58:44pm

re: #317 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Had an Aussie ask to use some of my B-52D pictures to reference when he does his 1/72 scale kit of that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 4:59:15pm

re: #376 goddamnedfrank

Pete really isn’t that smart. It’s why his hands smell like shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:00:20pm

re: #376 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:00:49pm

re: #375 Blind Frog Belly White

This is a key point. The reason you abide by the rules is because if you don’t, the other side has no reason to, either. And now Trump has put assassination of key government officials on the table.

Sure, Iran may choose not to take that path. But we didn’t need to open the gate for them.

That’s a very true point that I haven’t seen too many people make. We shouldn’t be shocked if the Iranians start targeting our officials. The problem we’re hypocrites. We love making rules for ourselves and then acting shocked when other people break the same rules we do.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:01:20pm

My wife and I are off to dinner. Catch y’all later.

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:01:27pm

re: #375 Blind Frog Belly White

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This is a key point. The reason you abide by the rules is because if you don’t, the other side has no reason to, either. And now Trump has put assassination of key government officials on the table.

Sure, Iran may choose not to take that path. But we didn’t need to open the gate for them.

and whatever he was planning, killing him didn’t stop it. He’s not some rando with personal plans. There’s a whole chain of command under him, answerable to the leader of their nation, his former Ci2 now has his job, and the plans will continue as planned.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:02:38pm

Good night all. Thank you so much for all the support today and throughout my grandmother’s illness.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:03:32pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

Good night all. Thank you so much for all the support today and throughout my grandmother’s illness.

I missed the initial post, but prayers and positive thoughts to you and your family, and if there’s any practical way I can help, drop me a note.

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John_Manyjars  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:04:40pm

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who knew?!?!1

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:05:01pm

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Pete really isn’t that smart. It’s why his hands smell like shit.

Pete Hegseth and all of State Media know that their viewers have already forgotten conservatives betraying the Kurdish people so Trump could look good.

They will believe whatever they are told because they follow a religious dogma.

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John_Manyjars  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:06:10pm

re: #361 Ace Rothstein

That’s in the ‘Great Ideas That Will Never Happen’ dept.

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John_Manyjars  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:07:32pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

Best of luck with her. My Dad turned 89 this year and is slowing down.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:07:43pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

Sending a hug!

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Unabogie  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:08:27pm

re: #387 sagehen

and whatever he was planning, killing him didn’t stop it. He’s not some rando with personal plans. There’s a whole chain of command under him, answerable to the leader of their nation, his former Ci2 now has his job, and the plans will continue as planned.

This is assuming there was ever a plan at all. With Trump, we should start by assuming whatever they say is a lie and work from there.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:08:37pm

So Spectrum internet went down for six freaking hours today, just when I was starting to work on something that required access to the web. And then to make it worse…

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A Cranky One  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:15:11pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

Good night all. Thank you so much for all the support today and throughout my grandmother’s illness.

Losing a loved one is always difficult, and the grief process will take a while.

My mom passed on before Christmas last year. I think I was still in shock during Christmas that year. This year it was more difficult, now that I have a number of things from her home with great sentimental value in my home.

Expect Spontaneous Moments of Grief (SMG) for a while. You’ll be feeling fine, then something will trigger a memory and the grief will spill out. This is normal and part of the process. Knowing that doesn’t make it easier, but I think it’s better to understand it’s part of the process.

Your grandmother will live on in your memories and her influence on your life. Treasure that and your relationship with her.

We’ve been there and understand your pain. Know that others understand and will try to be there for you if needed.

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retired cynic  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:16:51pm

re: #397 A Cranky One

Well said.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:17:58pm

re: #393 John_Manyjars

Best of luck with her. My Dad turned 89 this year and is slowing down.

Yep. My dad turns 95 this month. I can’t really afford it, but I’m flying to be there for his birthday. It’s not his fault that I got a job so far away.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:21:02pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmmm

More librul tyranny from the land of Pelosi, Feinstein and Harris! People don’t kill animals, cars do!

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:21:40pm

re: #399 Barefoot Grin

Yep. My dad turns 95 this month. I can’t really afford it, but I’m flying to be there for his birthday. It’s not his fault that I got a job so far away.

Money well spent tho…

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A Cranky One  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:22:35pm

re: #399 Barefoot Grin

Yep. My dad turns 95 this month. I can’t really afford it, but I’m flying to be there for his birthday. It’s not his fault that I got a job so far away.

I was lucky that we hadn’t seen my mom for a while and decided to make the trip (9 hour+ each way) to visit for Thanksgiving. She passed on Dec. 6th. It helped that I had recently spent time with her and had the opportunity both to spend time with her and to express our love before she passed. Treasure the time you have.

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mmmirele  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:23:13pm

No surprise.

My brother got shitfaced drunk (or so he told me) the day the ground invasion of Iraq was announced in 1991. It was his 27th birthday.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:25:09pm

re: #396 Charles Johnson

So Spectrum internet went down for six freaking hours today, just when I was starting to work on something that required access to the web. And then to make it worse…

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Spectrum went down like that on New Year’s Day for me. Wish I had an alternative to provide some competition!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:29:08pm

re: #396 Charles Johnson

So Spectrum internet went down for six freaking hours today, just when I was starting to work on something that required access to the web. And then to make it worse…

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oh, and THIS happened while you were away:

re: #329

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:30:29pm
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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:31:05pm

re: #396 Charles Johnson

Spectrum said that they would have internet to my house in 42 days. That was 43 days ago.

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gocart mozart  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:33:53pm
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Unabogie  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:34:16pm

re: #406 jaunte

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And those people promptly called their stock brokers. Clear insider trading, which probably included the Trump family.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:35:02pm

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, and THIS happened while you were way:

CHEW TOY!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:35:29pm

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, and THIS happened while you were way:

Oh yeah, THAT guy again. Very cranky guy.

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Interesting Times  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:36:39pm

Ha… :/

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:37:15pm

Not gonna bother spelling out the MANY differences between Obama’s hit on al-Awlaki and what Trump just did. Not worth the work.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:39:27pm
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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:41:40pm

Mission accomplished. But also, isn’t this double dipping illegal?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:42:06pm

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Tiffany is no better; she just mostly stays below the radar. She surfaced recently, though. As a reminder, she worked on Trump’s campaign as well.

Tiffany Trump Returns to Law School After Dad’s Assistant Is Forced Out for Talking About Her to Reporters (People)

(more)

Barron has two of the most horrible people in the US as parents. If you think he’s not going to be Junior personified I think you’re mistaken.

Both of his parents Don’t Really Care. Do you think that kid had as chance in hell of turning our well?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:44:19pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:45:05pm

re: #417 Charles Johnson

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He’s waiting on orders from Putin on what to post!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:46:24pm

My My My!

Look who Glenn is predictably retweeting!

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SteelPH  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:47:32pm

re: #417 Charles Johnson

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:51:26pm

re: #414 Charles Johnson

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I call my sons “Boyo”, to such an extent that they now call each other that. Can I still be a TV Dad?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:57:11pm

re: #421 Blind Frog Belly White

I call my sons “Boyo”, to such an extent that they now call each other that. Can I still be a TV Dad?

I’ll allow boyo. But it’s borderline.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:57:19pm
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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 5:58:30pm

re: #421 Blind Frog Belly White

I call my sons “Boyo”, to such an extent that they now call each other that. Can I still be a TV Dad?

Acceptable if you’re Irish, or the Clash. Otherwise, no.

Youtube Video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:01:43pm
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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:02:58pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:03:28pm

re: #240 Joe Bacon 🌹

Folks, alert me when this asshole enlists!

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Don’t hold your breath waiting.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:09:20pm
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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:19:58pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:27:33pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:28:42pm
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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:30:13pm

re: #430 gocart mozart

Those unsightly growths on top of their necks.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:32:11pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:32:58pm

Iranian militant in Iraq

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:33:50pm

re: #433 Dave In Austin

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Unabogie  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:34:12pm

re: #433 Dave In Austin

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Goddammit, Trump even managed to ruin JOURNEY for me. Everything he touches dies.

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gocart mozart  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:34:22pm
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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:47:05pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:47:30pm
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retired cynic  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:49:56pm

re: #438 jaunte

Zeddy has the right of it. I blame the Pentagon for being so stupid as to offer him any such option as this. Good god, what do they think he’s going to choose? Marbles?

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Dread Pirate  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:53:28pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:55:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:56:02pm

re: #424 sagehen

Acceptable if you’re Irish, or the Clash. Otherwise, no.

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For 4 generations, George Smiths married Irish girls, to the point where my Grandfather was actually 7/8 Irish. Does that count?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 6:56:36pm

re: #443 Blind Frog Belly White

For 4 generations, George Smiths married Irish girls, to the point where my Grandfather was actually 7/8 Irish. Does that count?

Also, I’m about half in the bag right now, and isn’t that an Irish trait?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 7:00:10pm

re: #433 Dave In Austin

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I get serious “Uncanny Valley” feelings from that couple. Not quite this level,

but close.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2020 • 7:01:06pm
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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 7:01:12pm

re: #443 Blind Frog Belly White

For 4 generations, George Smiths married Irish girls, to the point where my Grandfather was actually 7/8 Irish. Does that count?

absolutely.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 3, 2020 • 7:01:22pm

re: #444 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, I’m about half in the bag right now, and isn’t that an Irish trait?

Nothing more Irish than that. Slainte, my friend.

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2020 • 7:05:44pm

re: #448 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Nothing more Irish than that. Slainte, my friend.

I even know an Irish toast…

May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be always at your back…

(and the best Spanish toast: Salud, amor, dinero, y tiempo para gustarlos)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 7:06:35pm

re: #447 sagehen

absolutely.

As an aside that’s one of those little annoying things about a patriarchal society - women appear in the records as is from nowhere. My 3g Grandmother - Jane Smith. Born in Ireland ca. 1797. I don’t even know her maiden name. She magically appears, marries one of the Smiths. That’s all I know about her origins.

I DO know where she ended up, though. Glencoe MN, with her daughter Verlinda Smith Appleton. Died in 1870.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 3, 2020 • 7:07:07pm

re: #448 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Nothing more Irish than that. Slainte, my friend.

Who you callin’ ‘Slanty’?
///////

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gocart mozart  Jan 3, 2020 • 7:25:31pm

Interesting story about Benito’s final days

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 3, 2020 • 7:27:34pm

re: #399 Barefoot Grin

Yep. My dad turns 95 this month. I can’t really afford it, but I’m flying to be there for his birthday. It’s not his fault that I got a job so far away.

My mother will be turning eighty in July. I’ll be back in Chicago for that. As we are planning to go to Germany in May and tour Europe, we might plan our trip to bring us to Chicago for the return (kind of a long jog on a trip back to Regina).

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vgranucci  Jan 3, 2020 • 7:58:06pm

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

Or for that matter, anything close to or even remotely resembling the truth.

If Trump said the sky is blue, I would go outside to check.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 4, 2020 • 9:44:53am

re: #441 Dread Pirate

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Does Teddy mean like Bush did?


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