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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:12:27am

Trump is going to bomb more shit the day Pelosi sends the articles to the Senate, isn’t he?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:14:08am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump is going to bomb more shit the day Pelosi sends the articles to the Senate, isn’t he?

Maybe. Cornered narcissists lash out at vulnerable targets that they perceive can’t hit back.

He’ll look for people to punish. People that he hates. Brown/black, women, immigrants, Muslims, gays are all on the firing line.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:16:55am
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Jay C  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:29:19am

From last thread:

re: #222 ericblair

re: #213 Jay C

BTW, do we know that that Arabic translation is, in fact, a copy of the original, delivered at the same time as the original “draft”? (Neither document is signed, I notice). I mean, even in this day and age I don’t think everything should be dismissed as fake unless reliably proven otherwise - but when the Trump clownshow is involved, more than the usual dose of skepticism is warranted.

Also: the Arabic letter has a bunch of extra text in the lower left corner: too much to hope that it says: “ignore this letter”???

I’ve done enough time as an action officer for these kinds of government documents. I’m guessing it’s in Farsi, not Arabic, although I don’t know either language. I’d assume the extra text is the translator’s name and details. It depends from country to country which language(s) the document is delivered in, but in this case the Iranians probably wouldn’t put their translation on a US DoD letterhead.

Most official documents are delivered electronically, even at high levels, and you won’t be able to do much with an electronic signature between different governments, so it’s either a picture of a signature or just the text of the name as signature. So having a blank signature block in the final document wouldn’t be strange.

Any document of significance gets formally staffed per a checklist, and nobody is going to “accidentally” send out a draft to the fucking recipient before that. Drafts are marked DRAFT all over them to avoid this kind of thing. I have no idea what actually happen here because this kind of confusion is not possible if there had been any sort of normal process for this.

Thanks for the clarification. Though why the letter would be in Farsi is curious, as it is addressed to an Iraqi official: I would think it would be in whatever the standard official language is in Iraq - Arabic (??) .

Still, while we know the English version is “real” - even if “not intended to be actual” - I just wonder how “genuine” that translation (in whatever language) might be: whether the “official” Arabic (?) translation delivered with the original, something the Iraqis made for their own use, an outside fake, or what? Normally, I’d think the letterhead (and the fact that the English version has been - reluctantly - verified by the USG) would speak to its authenticity, but then again, Trump…

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:31:02am

I’m thinking that Bolton’s ‘testimony’ before the Senate wouldn’t be as useful as we might hope. He’s ass-deep in the corruption, just like everybody else.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:35:33am

re: #5 makeitstop

He’s a warmongering bully and no better than Trump. His intentions to testify before the Senate are probably to discredit the witnesses who testified in the House. Not sure why our side is expecting anything good from him.

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gocart mozart  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:35:43am
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gocart mozart  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:37:02am
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Dread Pirate  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:37:06am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:38:17am
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Dread Pirate  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:39:12am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:41:29am

re: #6 Patricia Kayden

He’s a warmongering bully and no better than Trump. His intentions to testify before the Senate are probably to discredit the witnesses who testified in the House. Not sure why our side is expecting anything good from him.

It’s just politicians trying to call plays for the other team.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:42:33am
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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:44:02am

A master class in mansplaining and self-own, right here.

This idiot ‘meteorologist’ goes up against not one but two climate experts and predictably gets his ass handed to him.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:45:27am

re: #11 Dread Pirate

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Yes they should.

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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:50:56am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:52:30am

Andrew Sullivan is acting just like a Trump supporter, trying to deflect accusations with “No, YOU’RE the racist.”

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:52:36am
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Mike Lamb  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:53:02am

re: #14 makeitstop

A master class in mansplaining and self-own, right here.

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This idiot ‘meteorologist’ goes up against not one but two climate experts and predictably gets his ass handed to him.

I don’t have a twitter account and I know not everyone puts all relevant information in their Twitter bios, but is it too much to fucking ask to at least click on the user to check? That she teaches courses on these subjects is right fucking there.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:54:25am

re: #14 makeitstop

A master class in mansplaining and self-own, right here.

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This idiot ‘meteorologist’ goes up against not one but two climate experts and predictably gets his ass handed to him.

Game.Set.Match.

The replies are priceless.

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:54:55am

re: #19 Mike Lamb

I don’t have a twitter account and I know not everyone puts all relevant information in their Twitter bios, but is it too much to fucking ask to at least click on the user to check? That she teaches courses on these subjects is right fucking there.

Apparently it is when you’re a ‘weather expert.’

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electrotek  Jan 7, 2020 • 10:56:52am

Next time any right-wing dipshit gets upset when they get lumped with the likes of Anders Breivik and Brenton Tarrant

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Jay C  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:00:32am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Andrew Sullivan is acting just like a Trump supporter, trying to deflect accusations with “No, YOU’RE the racist.”

Yeah, that exchange with Adam Serwer was pretty pathetic, even by Sullivan’s low standards: Serwer is “dismissing” the BHIs’ antisemitism because they’re black?

Ed Mix is right: shift the subject back to dick size: seems to be all Sully is conversant with….

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sagehen  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:01:07am

re: #18 makeitstop

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Hypothesis: that Trump Tower in Azerbaijan, financed with laundered IRCG money… did Soleimani compile all the documents and threaten to release them? Making public that this project was overseen by the Precious Princess Ivanka, who knew full well where the money was coming from?

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calochortus  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:03:10am

re: #21 makeitstop

Apparently it is when you’re a ‘weather expert.’

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Apparently he had a weather forecasting business back in the 80s and 90s, sold it, worked for Accuweather and now is trying to raise his profile for some other business venture.
He thinks Californians aren’t allowed to shower and do laundry on the same day and worry about climate change is bad for business. He has a blog that seems to lack comments from anyone.

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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:04:56am

re: #22 electrotek

The weirdness of having Clinton’s visage on the magazine… she’s living rent free in all their heads.

What these fucknuts seem to ignore is that Clinton isn’t the one going to jail. Trump and his cronies are far more likely to be in jail when this chapter of history is over - and that view will be of them looking out from behind bars at a Clinton who is laughing her ass off at these corrupt treasonweasels as she heads home to Chappaqua.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:08:36am

Very amusing thread: #ScienceHasFailedToAnswer

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danarchy  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:11:02am

re: #10 Dr. Matt

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That’s a little hyperbolic. It will certainly be an issue for astronomers, but these satellites are not naked eye visible when they reach their final orbits, so saying we won’t be able to see the sky like they did 1000 or 10000 years ago is BS(well aside from light pollution which already pretty much prevents that)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:11:09am

Theory: The notion that Suilemani was planning an imminent attack came from either a Fox News chyron or a Fox News talking head.

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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:13:07am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

My guess is Pompeo heard the name, claimed that it was imminent, got Trump thinking that, and here we are.

We also know Trump had no clue there was a difference between Kurd and Qud, so it’s just as easy for him to think that the Kurds are actually Iranian. Yeah, he’s that delusional and fact free with no one willing to tell him facts or correct him.

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:19:20am

re: #24 sagehen

Hypothesis: that Trump Tower in Azerbaijan, financed with laundered IRCG money… did Soleimani compile all the documents and threaten to release them? Making public that this project was overseen by the Precious Princess Ivanka, who knew full well where the money was coming from?

I’ve had that thought more than once in the past few days - that it wasn’t a political hit.

It was eliminating a witness against Ivanka.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:21:25am

The entire Republican Party is part of the conspiracy to obstruct justice.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:21:54am

re: #30 lawhawk

My guess is Pompeo heard the name, claimed that it was imminent, got Trump thinking that, and here we are.

We also know Trump had no clue there was a difference between Kurd and Qud, so it’s just as easy for him to think that the Kurds are actually Iranian. Yeah, he’s that delusional and fact free with no one willing to tell him facts or correct him.

But that’s because all such people are demoted or dismissed. No one in the administration survives contradicting him. Which explains why no one in the administration dares do this. The Congressional GOP has the ability to take him out at any time — but they are equally committed to lying for him.

Let’s concede, though, that there is a single bootlicker Rand Paul who has dissented — repeatedly — on the Soleimani assassination. But no one else will stand up for the truth.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:23:39am
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Jay C  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:23:55am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

Theory: The notion that Suilemani was planning an imminent attack came from either a Fox News chyron or a Fox News talking head.

Alternative theory: Soleimani had always been targeted by us; but Trump decided that last Friday was - for whatever reasons - the day to go ahead with it: and that the “imminent attack” line was just ex-post-facto bullshit designed to try to figleaf a unilateral decision.

I mean, this guy was not (except for quite understandable measures for personal security) the usual “shadowy terrorist mastermind”. He was an IRGC General: everybody knew who he was, what he was doing (mostly), and - as the drone targeting proved - where and when he was doing it

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:24:25am

re: #32 Dread Pirate

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The entire Republican Party is part of the conspiracy to obstruct justice.

Just as I predicted…. not one single Republican will put country over party!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:25:42am

Ms. “my father is John McCain” is pathetic

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:25:52am

How?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:28:35am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:28:38am
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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:28:47am

Every American family basically pays an $8,000 ‘poll tax’ under the U.S. health system, top economists say WaPo

America’s sky-high health-care costs are so far above what people pay in other countries that they are the equivalent of a hefty tax, Princeton University economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton say. They are surprised Americans aren’t revolting against these taxes.
“A few people are getting very rich at the expense of the rest of us,” Case said at conference in San Diego on Saturday. The U.S. health-care system is “like a tribute to a foreign power, but we’re doing it to ourselves.”
The U.S. health-care system is the most expensive in the world, costing about $1 trillion more per year than the next-most-expensive system — Switzerland’s. That means U.S. households pay an extra $8,000 per year, compared with what Swiss families pay. Case and Deaton call this extra cost a “poll tax,” meaning it is levied on every individual regardless of their ability to pay. (“Polle” was an archaic German word for “head,” so the idea behind a poll tax is that it falls on every head.)

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:28:54am

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ms. “my father is John McCain” is pathetic

I love how Warren effortlessly ignores her attempts to butt in. Check Meghan’s waxy look at the end of this clip. She hates being ignored.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:29:35am

re: #36 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just as I predicted…. not one single Republican will put country over party!

Is it possible that a couple Republicans dissented? He doesn’t need all 53 to support him, only 51.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:31:34am

moron

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:32:32am

re: #41 retired cynic

That’s a great point since Conservatives claim you hate taxes. This is how Democratic politicians should discuss high healthcare costs.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:32:37am

re: #28 danarchy

That’s a little hyperbolic. It will certainly be an issue for astronomers, but these satellites are not naked eye visible when they reach their final orbits, so saying we won’t be able to see the sky like they did 1000 or 10000 years ago is BS(well aside from light pollution which already pretty much prevents that)

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Some satellites are visible to the naked eye. I have seen them.

And he posted this when asked how satellites interfere with observing stars:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:32:52am
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Jay C  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:33:15am

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

How?

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So, I wonder what the original translation of the “Seely letter” said?
Was the Admin trying to pull a Treaty of Wuchale on the Iraqis?

And they didn’t seem to think that there just MIGHT be somebody in the Iraqi government who could speak and read both English and Arabic well enough to notice any differences??

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:35:34am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heaven help up! This Trump regime is going to get us all killed. My blood pressure is rising just reading Pompeo’s tweets.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:36:06am
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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:36:58am

re: #46 Dr. Matt

It’s pretty easy to see satellites transit the sky - and the larger/more reflective, the easier it is to see them. There are apps showing where/when they’ll do it to. When I was out in Bryce years ago, we did a night sky event with the park rangers, and they had a bunch of telescopes set up and you could see the majesty of the Milky Way.

They’d point out all the satellites as they would come across, including the ISS.

There’s probably a tech solution for this, if they know the satellite transit - they could use computers to back out the transits from their exposures.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:37:26am

re: #42 makeitstop

I love how Warren effortlessly ignores her attempts to butt in. Check Meghan’s waxy look at the end of this clip. She hates being ignored.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:38:28am

re: #46 Dr. Matt

Some satellites are visible to the naked eye. I have seen them.

And he posted this when asked how satellites interfere with observing stars:

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and then visualize predicted 12,000 satellites (or 30,000 per paperwork filed) instead of the current 182.

Heck, I’ve seen the ISS with the naked eye.
And not all satellites are high orbit (hands up anyone else here old enough to remember seeing the Echo satellite?)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:39:27am

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

How?

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they used Bing translate the first time.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:42:58am

re: #51 lawhawk

Which app do you use? I use puniverse which is really good for planets, stars, constellations, etc. It tracks satellites but I have never used it for that,

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Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:43:44am

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had to google that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:48:15am

So basically Mcconnell and the GOP have decided we are fucked no matter what.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:49:28am

re: #57 Eclectic Cyborg

So basically Mcconnell and the GOP have decided we are fucked no matter what.

They’ve proven they care about power.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:50:42am
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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:51:12am

re: #55 Dr. Matt

My space apps: Satellite AR, Google Sky, and Dark Skies - it can help with astrophotography.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:52:51am

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

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Wait to we find out that Donnie ordered the assassination as revenge for Soleimani saying mean things about Dear Leader. The cultists will be dancing for joy.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:53:58am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:54:39am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:56:27am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2020 • 11:58:13am

Sen. Murphy said all of this could have been avoided if Trump had stayed with the Iran nuclear deal, but I have big news for the Senator: it could have been avoided if Obama hadn’t told a mean joke about Trump at the WH Correspondents Dinner! ////

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:00:02pm

I’d love to see Pelosi reopen hearings and call in Bolton, Mulvaney, etc.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:00:08pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:02:49pm
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Belafon  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:03:52pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

War crimes means he can’t leave the US after he’s out of office.

Edited

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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:04:49pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Trump will posture and preen, and make the most outlandish of statements, which curry favor with his reactionary know nothing base, but we have to hope that the military wont violate international law? That’s not a strategy. It’s wishful thinking.

All it takes is for just enough people in the chain of command to go along with it, and we’d have Trump doing exactly what he says he’d do.

Trump’s enabling those kinds of people at all levels of government and the military. That’s the kind of mortal and moral peril we face.

It’s also why Trump could very well be the first person to be impeached and indicted on war crimes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:06:22pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

During the 2016 campaign, Trump expressly supported war crimes. But that’s nothing new for the GOP. After all, didn’t officially sanctioned war crimes occur under the Bush 43 administration?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:06:40pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

Since when does Trump give a shit about the law?

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:07:14pm

re: #69 Belafon

Reload

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:07:42pm

re: #65 Barefoot Grin

Sen. Murphy said all of this could have been avoided if Trump had stayed with the Iran nuclear deal, but I have big news for the Senator: it could have been avoided if Obama hadn’t told a mean joke about Trump at the WH Correspondents Dinner! ////

Thanks Obama!!

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:08:22pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:13:40pm
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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:14:44pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

He’s going to move on those cultural sites like a bitch. He’s going to grab them by the pussy and he thinks he can get away with it because he’s Trump.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:15:40pm

re: #32 Dread Pirate

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The entire Republican Party is part of the conspiracy to obstruct justice.

just more proof that this is totally and entirely a power play for the R’s
not even an attempt at appearing fair, neutral, unbiased blind justice, etc

the foregone verdict is entirely based on the partisan makeup of the senate and not on any fact or witness that has or will be presented.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:18:01pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:18:56pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

hell
if this was not the plan, why even ‘draft’ a document?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:20:55pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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another ‘mommy look what a did in the bathroom’ tweet

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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:21:18pm

re: #79 Dread Pirate

You say Nasrallah, I say yala.

Trump confuses Qud and Kurd.

He doesn’t care about details, and it’ll get us into war with Iran because no one can be bothered to tell him the difference (as if any of his advisers know). He wanted to blow stuff up, and that’s what he did.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:22:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:22:49pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:23:04pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

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ie he didnt know
thats what you get when you elect ‘businessmen’

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Mike Lamb  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:23:52pm

re: #81 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

another ‘mommy look what a did in the bathroom’ tweet

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When a country assassinates KBS:

He was planning something. We were following his stops. And there not a lot of good stops. We didn’t like where he was stopping. They were not good stops.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:25:08pm

A few years ago Doonesbury did a send up of this where people could call into a PR firm and request their own facts and reality. Now it’s real.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:27:35pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

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“Unless I can get away with it, but you guys noticed”

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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:37:48pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

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I mean, Trump is an expert in everything under the sun, as noted by well known expert Donald Trump. So…

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:39:49pm

Oh ,just remembered that I need to make a couple of bad stops on the way to picking up the kid from his after school activities.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:40:04pm

re: #87 Barefoot Grin

A few years ago Doonesbury did a send up of this where people could call into a PR firm and request their own facts and reality. Now it’s real.

If you can’t figure out who is being manipulated, it’s probably you.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:42:43pm
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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:47:17pm

Local radio alert: Larry David is doing a segment on ESPN’s Michael Kay sports show, and it’s the funniest radio I’ve heard in years. He’s got the best George Steinbrenner stories I’ve ever heard.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:56:43pm

re: #36 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just as I predicted…. not one single Republican will put country over party!

Susan Collins is still “concerned”.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2020 • 12:59:20pm

GOP: “Democrats have handled impeachment in as partisan a fashion as possible! It’s a disgrace and totally not how such things should be handled!”

Media: “So you’ll be handling the Senate portion…”

GOP: “In a totally partisan fashion! Because those Democrats gotta be stopped before they call another witness!”

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:00:19pm
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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:02:48pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:04:02pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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This is what frustrates me about the man, one minute he’ll say something that makes me feel that supporting his candidacy would be alright, then he whipsaws back to “Republicans are good people who’ll work with me!” and I realize the man’s viewpoint is still stuck in the 1980s.

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sagehen  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:05:41pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Obama in one of his West Point commencement speeches:

“Just because we have the best hammer, doesn’t mean every problem is a nail.”

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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:06:00pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

McConnell will be out of office when Trump leaves office in 2020, hopefully.

If McGrath can beat him, then he’s not around to control the Senate and push the extreme right wing agenda as he had since blocking Obama’s judicial picks (S.Ct. Justice Garland can’t be reached for comment).

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:06:43pm

Lies upon lies.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:08:22pm

re: #101 Patricia Kayden

Lies upon lies.

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At least the word “lies” is showing up in print more.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:13:44pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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Sigh wake the hell up Joe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:14:48pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:15:46pm

I’ll help Joe along to reality: The bigger the loss for the Repubs in 2020, the more angry and resentful they are going to become. Why? Same reason that alcohol becomes more potent as you remove the water from it. The first ones to lose their seats will be the “moderates,” followed by those seen as “moderates” by an ever crazier base, leaving you in the end with only the craziest nutters from the safest districts/states. And they will not want to work with you, they will want to wreck your shit in the worst way because that’s the only hope that they have of regaining power. If you don’t believe so, call up your old boss and he can give you the full details.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:16:50pm

same here in TheBackwoods

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:16:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:18:27pm

my shocked face, etc…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:21:22pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:27:13pm

re: #107 Patricia Kayden

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Of course he fucking knew. These cultists are deluded morons.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:27:37pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face, etc…

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Of fucking course.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:27:46pm
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ericblair  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:28:43pm

re: #4 Jay C

From last thread:
Thanks for the clarification. Though why the letter would be in Farsi is curious, as it is addressed to an Iraqi official: I would think it would be in whatever the standard official language is in Iraq - Arabic (??) .

Oh yeah, of course: it’s to the Iraqis.

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

Mind blowing. #Iraq PM on withdrawal letter: we received the letter thru official channels with an Arabic version different from English. When we enquired they resent correct Arabic version/ correct translation of English letter. They later said the letter was sent by mistake…

That’s great. Besides being vague enough to be that misinterpreted by one side or another, somebody must have gotten a version translated, then the original changed and nobody retranslated the document. And nobody caught it on the way out the door. This is nuts.

I’m guessing it’s not the career guys that made such a massive fuckup: there was probably senior political dicks rewriting it at random intervals and screwing up the process completely. If there’s one thing the military should be good at, it’s paperwork.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:28:55pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mar Al Lago is a criminal infested shithole.

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:38:08pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

The Southern Mos Eisley

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:38:19pm

it’s like putting tape in the floor in the shape of a square and how cats act like it’s a box

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ericblair  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:40:13pm

re: #113 ericblair

That’s great. Besides being vague enough to be that misinterpreted by one side or another, somebody must have gotten a version translated, then the original changed and nobody retranslated the document. And nobody caught it on the way out the door. This is nuts.

Since I’ve done these sorts of political/military documents, I can say that this letter seems grossly underwritten. To avoid the sorts of misunderstandings this obviously caused, you have to set up the context and scope and the background of the action to make an unfamiliar reader understand what’s come before and quite clearly what you intend to do and what you want from them. That means a lot of references to previous agreements and overarching policy.

This letter is like a followup enclosure that (vaguely) says how you intend to accomplish something that you’ve already agreed to do with the recipient. No professional staff would have written it this way; I assume this was the work of a bunch of political hacks stepping on each others’ toes.

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:43:09pm

Born yesterday, he is.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:44:47pm

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 200105 edition ———————->

AND now there’s an index linking all the posts

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:46:15pm

re: #118 jaunte

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Born yesterday, he is.

As we’ve determined over the last 3 years, Trump doesn’t believe the orders he gives are illegal because he believes his powers are unlimited. And if they’re later found to be illegal, the boys in legal will find an excuse to get him off with a wrist slap.

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:47:30pm

re: #120 Targetpractice

LIke CPB pretending US citizens were not “detained” at the Canadian border because they were only questioned for 12 hours.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:50:35pm

re: #107 Patricia Kayden

ok i’ll ‘prove it’

they fired a bunch of people from his properties last year

it was in all the papers

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:50:49pm

Tilt them in his favor.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:52:13pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

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it’s like putting tape in the floor in the shape of a square and how cats act like it’s a box

it is a box ;-)

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:53:55pm

re: #120 Targetpractice

As we’ve determined over the last 3 years, Trump doesn’t believe the orders he gives are illegal because he believes his powers are unlimited. And if they’re later found to be illegal, the boys in legal will find an excuse to get him off with a wrist slap.

belief aside, he also doesn’t know
he has no constitutional or actual working legal* knowledge

*defendant in hundreds of lawsuits doesnt count

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sagehen  Jan 7, 2020 • 1:54:54pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

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it’s like putting tape in the floor in the shape of a square and how cats act like it’s a box

There was a time when Iraqis trusted the American military that much.

In the first gulf war, whole battalions at a time would surrender; our troops would instruct them to drop their weapons in a pile, we put a rope in a big square on the sand and told them “that’s your POW camp, wait there.” With tarps mounted on poles for sun cover. And they sat down and waited patiently. They were confident we’d give them food and water and medical care, then send them home when it was over. And we did.

That will never happen again.

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:07:15pm

Important thread.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:07:44pm

Way I look at it is that Pelosi’s withholding of the AoI has put the Repubs in a position that they didn’t want to be in. They wanted it to be a quick matter of convening, reading out the AoI, some pudknocker from the back row calling a vote to dismiss, and voting down the line to do so before declaring Trump “acquitted.” Instead, they’ve had to spend weeks whining about how she’s being so mean to Trump by not going along with this strategy and are now making a big show of forcing a vote just so they can do what they thought would be over and done with by New Year’s.

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BigPapa  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:09:06pm

Facebook is Both Sides-ing and normalizing Trumpism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:11:00pm

jfc

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:12:06pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

jfc

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But remember, folks, invoking the name of BARRON TRUMP is bullying and so wrong because we must #BeBest.

////////

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:12:29pm

Mr. Pumpkin Head has no room to diss anyone else’s body.

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:13:34pm

In other news…

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electrotek  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:15:28pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

jfc

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Why hasn’t this Nazi been egged yet?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:19:26pm

...

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sagehen  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:23:47pm

re: #133 makeitstop

In other news…

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Is the first of the year relevant to his situation in some way? Or maybe he had to wait for the House to reconvene to meet some x number of years to qualify for a higher pension level?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:24:40pm

re: #127 makeitstop

Important thread.

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i sort of quibble with one point

23. Is that likely? I wouldn’t say that. But this president and these Republicans depend for their success on the Democrats “playing by the rules.” That rule in this case is you never impeach a president twice.

really? why not?
if this is some sort of situational analysis leading to political prudence, that’s besides the point

there have been two impeachments of presidents.
this is hardly any kind of ‘rule’ or even experience.

a better ‘rule’ might be impeach serious shit

because if he keeps effing with the constitution, he should keep getting impeached till his ass is out of there

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:26:24pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

Way I look at it is that Pelosi’s withholding of the AoI has put the Repubs in a position that they didn’t want to be in. They wanted it to be a quick matter of convening, reading out the AoI, some pudknocker from the back row calling a vote to dismiss, and voting down the line to do so before declaring Trump “acquitted.” Instead, they’ve had to spend weeks whining about how she’s being so mean to Trump by not going along with this strategy and are now making a big show of forcing a vote just so they can do what they thought would be over and done with by New Year’s.

how dare she wield her power the way mitch wields his //

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Dread Pirate  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:41:22pm
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jaunte  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:43:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:46:01pm

re: #140 jaunte

ALL THE UPDINGS FOR REX

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:49:41pm

Well-oiled machine, you bet.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:51:34pm

Such a great Paul Kelly song about Australia, but really about America, too:

I’m so afraid for my country
There’s an ill wind blowing no good
So many lies in the name of history
They want to improve my neighbourhood
I’m so worried about my brother
He just gets sadder every day
We gotta take care of each other
Or else we’re gonna have to pay
In the land of the little kings
There’s a price on everything
And everywhere the little kings
Are getting away with murder
I was born in a lucky country
Every day I hear the warning bells
They’re so busy building palaces
They don’t see the poison in the wells
In the land of the little kings
Profit is the only thing
And everywhere the little kings
Are getting away with murder
In the land of the little kings
Justice don’t mean a thing
And everywhere the little kings
Are getting away with murder

Little Kings

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:58:05pm

re: #127 makeitstop

Important thread.

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Excellent. I am tempted to join Twitter to follow him!

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Dread Pirate  Jan 7, 2020 • 2:59:45pm
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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:02:51pm

in re Biden’s comments:

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:03:59pm
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BigPapa  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:09:41pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cretinous Glob of Beard and Meat just make my week.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:11:21pm

Heh. Reasonable Republicans are like unicorns. They don’t exist.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:11:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:14:14pm

re: #142 jaunte

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Well-oiled machine, you bet.

ah..”the incident”

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:17:22pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

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You’ve a control freak who cannot abide underlings at any level of gov’t expressing free will, particularly if doing so in some way reflects negatively upon himself. Thus a general expressing to the Iraqi parliament that forces in-situ are preparing for the possibility of being forced to leave becomes “ZOMG! THEY’RE QUESTIONING MY BRILLIANT PLAN TO EXTORT IRAQ INTO LETTING US STAY!!!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:17:44pm

^^what billo said^^^

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:18:43pm
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Mike Lamb  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:21:25pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Leaving aside the resolutions/rule of law dichotomy, isn’t Inhofe implying that there are times when it wouldn’t be a crime to target cultural sites?

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:21:57pm

re: #155 Mike Lamb

Leaving aside the resolutions/rule of law dichotomy, isn’t Inhofe implying that there are times when it wouldn’t be a crime to target cultural sites?

Yes.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:23:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:23:21pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:24:32pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Yes. That is how disorganized.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:25:14pm

re: #155 Mike Lamb

Leaving aside the resolutions/rule of law dichotomy, isn’t Inhofe implying that there are times when it wouldn’t be a crime to target cultural sites?

Of course…when Donald Trump is the guy giving the order.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:27:06pm
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Teukka  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:27:56pm

re: #155 Mike Lamb

Leaving aside the resolutions/rule of law dichotomy, isn’t Inhofe implying that there are times when it wouldn’t be a crime to target cultural sites?

It’s late and I’m a bit rusty on my laws of war, but the only way how cultural property would be a possible target of attack would be if the opponent provably uses the blue shield to protect legitimate targets, and then only on a case-by-case basis, and not in response to other HC/GC violations by opponents.

Blue Shiield: Protective sign for cultural property.
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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:29:26pm

Indeed.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:35:08pm

re: #159 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yes. That is how disorganized.

My point is that it’s really Trump himself having an allergic reaction to actual organization and his appointees scrambling to produce some kind of completely farcical kludge of a cover story. It’s like Trump keeps putting jigsaw puzzle pieces in the wrong space and they’re busy spinning them around and whacking them with mallets trying to get ‘em to fit.

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:36:03pm

re: #162 Teukka

It’s late and I’m a bit rusty on my laws of war, but the only way how cultural property would be a possible target of attack would be if the opponent provably uses the blue shield to protect legitimate targets, and then only on a case-by-case basis, and not in response to other HC/GC violations by opponents.

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We saw that shield on a water tank in Vienna.

Sorry if it’s sideways.

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:37:48pm

Here we go…

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:38:11pm

re: #162 Teukka

It’s late and I’m a bit rusty on my laws of war, but the only way how cultural property would be a possible target of attack would be if the opponent provably uses the blue shield to protect legitimate targets, and then only on a case-by-case basis, and not in response to other HC/GC violations by opponents.

[Embedded content]

Also just vanilla collateral damage. We could just start dropping disproportionately heavy ordnance at ostensibly “valid” targets nearby.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:41:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:41:31pm

re: #166 makeitstop

Here we go…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:42:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:43:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:44:53pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:46:12pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

So much winning…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:46:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:47:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:48:46pm

O_o

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:51:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:52:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:55:06pm

I’m just gonna curl up in bed under the duvet, with my cats, dog, and a good book…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:57:29pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, you see it’s really question of how we SHOULD respond vs. how Trump probably WILL respond. It’s the latter that scares me to death.

What if 15 minutes from now he gave the order to start bombing hospitals and Mosques?

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:57:44pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m just gonna curl up in bed under the duvet, with my cats, dog, and a good book…

For those of us that can, that’s the best thing I can think of. Cats. No dog.

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electrotek  Jan 7, 2020 • 3:58:26pm

Somehow I bet deep down ISIS/Da’esh is mad that Trump is stealing all of their glory from their long-held desire to assassinate Soleimani.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:02:32pm

Just a fillip to push Iraqis to push out US forces.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:05:49pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

Shit. I’m just waiting to see missile streaks out of the west across the northern skies. It’s a perfectly clear night here, I can’t miss ‘em.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:11:05pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:17:07pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face, etc…

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Just like a number of states have been overwhelmed by the requirements.
///

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:18:50pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:19:05pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

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it’s like putting tape in the floor in the shape of a square and how cats act like it’s a box

It *is* a box. But a very very low one!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:20:20pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:21:01pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

So it’s to be war, then? Cry “havoc” and let slip the dogs of war?

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:21:07pm
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electrotek  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:22:04pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

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Oh fuck, UAE is about to get a rude awakening. They’ve been shielded from the realities of the region for far too long.

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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:22:42pm

Congrats, Trump. You got your fucking shooting war. And just like everything else, he’s managed to do it in far less time than anyone could have imagined. It’s like he has a talent for absolute destabilization of stable or stabilizing situations. Like a fucking toddler breaking a matchstick house with 1000 hours of work put into it.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:23:36pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:24:52pm

re: #195 Barefoot Grin

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Stalin killed a lot of his talented staff before WWII got started, but the effect may be much the same.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:30:47pm

Pompeo and Esper have arrived at the White House, so our brain trust is complete.////

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:31:52pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:32:30pm
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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:33:27pm

Also, don’t look now, but look at signs that crying reverse racism absolutely works, and CNN will continue to coddle these fucks and never call out racism again for fear of suit.

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electrotek  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:34:07pm

re: #200 Citizen K

Also, don’t look now, but look at signs that crying reverse racism absolutely works, and CNN will continue to coddle these fucks and never call out racism again for fear of suit.

[Embedded content]

And there are those in the MAGA camp who think that CNN is in cahoots with Iran.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:34:34pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

Charles, we do have a reason for this. Trump was impeached. We obviously can’t let that stand, so we had to go to war with somebody. Who? Well, when in doubt, bomb Iraq. It worked for both Bush administrations, so why not Trump?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:36:55pm

re: #200 Citizen K

Also, don’t look now, but look at signs that crying reverse racism absolutely works, and CNN will continue to coddle these fucks and never call out racism again for fear of suit.

[Embedded content]

McConnell already lining the kid up to be on SCOTUS.

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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:37:24pm

re: #201 electrotek

And there are those in the MAGA camp who think that CNN is in cahoots with Iran.

At this point, I’m convinced half the execs and legal teams for CNN either agree or are willing to concede to that just to avoid pissing off that potential conservative audience further. Because apparently the only people who you dare not denigrate are white conservatives, otherwise it’s the greatest fucking discrimination and libel of all time.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:37:59pm

re: #202 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Charles, we do have a reason for this. Trump was impeached. We obviously can’t let that stand, so we had to go to war with somebody. Who? Well, when in doubt, bomb Iraq. It worked for both Bush administrations, so why not Trump?

Well, the US stood by and ho-hummed when artillery *in Russia* bombarded locations in the Ukraine. So why should the US administration care when rockets from Iran land in Iraq? (Well, beyond landing on US military manned bases of course.)
//

Will have to see if next step is US hitting pro-Iranian militias in Iraq*, or if they choose to escalate to hitting targets in Iran directly.

* - I’m sure the Iraqi government loves being the chose battleground for all this.

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danarchy  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:39:01pm

re: #46 Dr. Matt

Some satellites are visible to the naked eye. I have seen them.

And he posted this when asked how satellites interfere with observing stars:

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I didn’t say no satellites are visible to the naked eye, I said these aren’t. These satallites are about 250kg each if I recall and they put 60 of them on the nose of a falcon 9. There are satellites in orbit that are over 8000kg with ginormous solar arrays. These are not that.

I stipulated these would be a problem for astronomers, it remains to be seen how much. As lawhawk stated, with the known orbits it should be possible for software to remove the streaks from the images. Although with the sheer numbers It would be a very complex processing challenge.

So it is a trade off, offering free/extremely cheap internet to every person on the planet is no small thing. Also these are designed so they can be de-orbited so I suspect if there are severe unanticipated consequences the government can order them de-orbited.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:43:52pm

re: #79 Dread Pirate

“Tremendous information”? “Tremendous”?

Seriously, Trump knows only about half a dozen adjectives - strong, beautiful, tremendous, corrupt, crazy, and stupid. That’s about the limit. He uses them over and over and over, even in cases - like this one - where they really aren’t quite right.

Must be because he’s corrupt, crazy, and stupid, and we can only hope we have a strong, beautiful, tremendous nominee to kick his ass back to New York to Florida.

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sagehen  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:47:20pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

Seriously, Trump knows only about half a dozen adjectives - strong, beautiful, tremendous, corrupt, crazy, and stupid. That’s about the limit. He uses them over and over and over, even in cases - like this one - where they really aren’t quite right.

Must be because he’s corrupt, crazy, and stupid, and we can only hope we have a strong, beautiful, tremendous nominee to kick his ass back to New York to Florida.

Disgraceful. Like has never been seen.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2020 • 4:53:39pm

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Steve Martin and the Steep Canyon Rangers - California (Official Lyric Video) ​@Steve Martin and @Steep Canyon Rangers present "California"Get the song now via @Rounder Records found.ee Produced by RMV ProductionsAnimators: Matt Entecott and Tash TullyDirector: Peter ReeveInstagram: instagram.comTwitter: @RMVProdsFacebook: facebook.com Follow Steve Martin on Twitter: @SteveMartinToGoFor more info and tour ...
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