UK Defense Secretary: Trump Has Wrecked the Special Relationship Between the UK and US

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This is really bad.

UK abandons Trump as US ‘withdraws its leadership around the world.’

In remarkably outspoken comments, UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said in an interview published Sunday that Trump’s isolationist foreign-policy stance had prompted the UK to look for alternative allies.

“I worry if the United States withdraws from its leadership around the world,” he told The Sunday Times.

He added: “The assumptions of 2010 that we were always going to be part of a US coalition is really just not where we are going to be.”

If Trump were actually a Manchurian candidate bent on wrecking everything about the United States, I’m hard pressed to think of anything he would do differently.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:15:26am

Note that this is an actual example of the Anglo-American relationship being wrecked, as opposed to the endless whining over the return of a bust that Obama had to endure.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:16:57am

Imagine the stuff that is going to cone out when he leaves office.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:17:56am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:21:18am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:21:58am

ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states

makes ya proud, dont it?

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:24:57am

I saw an SUV in town with a sticker that said “Man up, Snowflake” and all I could think of is that this man probably yells at his tv every day.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:26:17am

You look at Trump’s tweets today and find yourself realizing that tens of millions of your fellow Americans think this is “strength,” that having the emotional maturity of a schoolyard bully is the mark a great president.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:28:18am

re: #7 Targetpractice

You look at Trump’s tweets today and find yourself realizing that tens of millions of your fellow Americans think this is “strength,” that having the emotional maturity of a schoolyard bully is the mark a great president.

They’re also the same people who thought cling to their guns and bibles was this terrible insult but then they prove it in their actions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:29:03am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:29:07am

re: #5 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states

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makes ya proud, dont it?

So much dignity but you know BK shouldn’t say damn in a commercial.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:30:14am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:31:26am
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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:32:43am

re: #5 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:33:44am
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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:37:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:41:02am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:45:03am

re: #15 lawhawk

Harassment by proxy.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:56:38am

re: #15 lawhawk

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Because if you dress that way, you can’t be a real American.//

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:01:55am

A Canadian was caught bringing illegal drugs from the U.S. into Canada

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:01:59am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Because if you dress that way, you can’t be a real American.//

And Libruls are all terrorist sympathizers and nothing beats pissing off a Librul!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:03:05am

re: #19 The Pie Overlord!

A Canadian was caught bringing illegal drugs from the U.S. into Canada

To trade for cheap Canadian prescription drugs to re-sell to Americans, still at a profit but still cheaper than what they would pay otherwise…

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:03:06am

Went to bed in 2020, woke up in 2003. Fuckin’ hell.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:05:14am

re: #22 Targetpractice

I was wondering how long it would take them to outright accuse Democrats of being terrorists.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:06:01am

Oh, I don’t know. We’re always attacking Trump for looking and dressing like millions of Americans, a lard-ass in an ill-fitting suit.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:06:23am

Here is how Fake News goes viral, and POS45 is a prime vector.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:13:54am
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EPR-radar  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:14:26am

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

I was wondering how long it would take them to outright accuse Democrats of being terrorists.

It’s always projection with these clowns. Republicans are traitors just seeking to steal everything that isn’t nailed down, and if a bit of stochastic terrorism helps them stay in power, that’s OK for them.

Naturally, they think Democrats are just as depraved.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:20:50am

“…The Wisconsin Elections Commission in October notified more than 230,000 people it believed they may have moved and asked them to update their voter registrations or confirm they were at the same address. It planned to remove them from the rolls in 2021 if they didn’t act.

Three voters represented by the conservative Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty sued, arguing the state had to remove them from the rolls much faster. Malloy agreed and ordered the voters purged from the rolls.

The commission has deadlocked on whether to take people off the rolls as it pursues its appeal. Their inability to take action prompted the move to find the commission in contempt of court.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:26:29am

WINNING ! ! !

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:30:44am

re: #29 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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EPR-radar  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:32:17am

re: #28 jaunte

I’m sure this judge is a Republican.

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:50:58am

Go Ted.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:51:20am

NYC trials…. where supermodels can be called as potential jurors in the Weinstein case.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:56:46am

More court news. Apparently a plea deal is in works with Trump crony George Nader. There was a status conference on the calendar.

It also hints at others being target of ongoing investigation.

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Jay C  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:02:07pm

re: #33 lawhawk

NYC trials…. where supermodels can be called as potential jurors in the Weinstein case.

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Sounds more like Gigi Hadid just happened to be in the juror pool that day: one thing about NYC: they’re pretty ferocious about rounding up potential jurors (you get like NO excuses or exemptions these days): and Gigi probably got called up just by chance.
Though if I were Weinstein’s attorney, (or the prosecutor) I’d challenge her out: I thought one of the basic rules about jury selection is that, despite whatever they say, you NEVER want anyone who knows the defendant on a jury.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:04:40pm
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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:04:42pm

re: #35 Jay C

Yeah, it would seem like this would be a clear case where a challenge should be made. They would run in the same circles and know the same people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:05:29pm

re: #32 makeitstop

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Go Ted.

Indeed. “No fucks to give” Ted Lieu is awesome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:10:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:11:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:14:48pm

not all morons are americans…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:17:20pm

jfc

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:20:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:26:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:35:23pm

I think he looks like Hannity’s grandpa

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:36:43pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think he looks like Hannity’s grandpa

Holy shit! It’s Count Fuckula!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:38:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:39:39pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mitch needs to start worrying about his own state

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:40:26pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ugh. Nightmare fuel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:40:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:42:11pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:42:16pm
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sagehen  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:42:16pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think he looks like Hannity’s grandpa

Uncle Fenster.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:45:02pm
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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:45:14pm

*chef kiss*

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KGxvi  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:46:39pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

McConnell’s goal is to hold 51 seats and thereby control the Senate. 50 isn’t good enough (even with a Republican VP) because the precedent in 2001 would mean sharing too much power with the Democrats. He needs a true majority.

So the calculus he has to do is, ultimately “how do we hold 51 seats come January 2021?”

A motion to dismiss probably hurts vulnerable Republicans in what could be several very competitive states - or may even create a scenario where “safe” seats suddenly become competitive seats. Going through the motions of opening arguments and questions, followed by possibly one or two witnesses, and then a party line (or near party line) vote is his best option of keeping his majority.

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KGxvi  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:48:11pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

And yet Mitch didn’t want to vote on authorizing military force in Lybia or Syria, if I recall correctly…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:52:51pm

re: #57 KGxvi

And yet Mitch didn’t want to vote on authorizing military force in Lybia or Syria, if I recall correctly…

that’s not in his portfolio…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:53:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:57:27pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:59:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 12:59:56pm
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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:01:22pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:01:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:03:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:06:25pm

O_o

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:07:22pm
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Jay C  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:08:30pm

re: #56 KGxvi

McConnell’s goal is to hold 51 seats and thereby control the Senate. 50 isn’t good enough (even with a Republican VP) because the precedent in 2001 would mean sharing too much power with the Democrats. He needs a true majority.

So the calculus he has to do is, ultimately “how do we hold 51 seats come January 2021?”

A motion to dismiss probably hurts vulnerable Republicans in what could be several very competitive states - or may even create a scenario where “safe” seats suddenly become competitive seats. Going through the motions of opening arguments and questions, followed by possibly one or two witnesses, and then a party line (or near party line) vote is his best option of keeping his majority.

We can probably debate the Senate probabilities til we drop from exhaustion, but I’ll just put it out here (and try not to mention it much again til WAY nearer the election), that I think the current indications are that the Dems will likely flip three seats (AZ, CO and ME), and lose one (AL), which would make it 51-49 and mean that the GOP could not lose more than one seat next year to avoid a tied Senate, and two would mean a loss-of-majority. Which situation I’m sure that old McTurtle would try to fiddle the Senate rules to leverage to maximum (R) advantage, but would still severely crimp the GOP’s plans.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:09:10pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

The woman in question also won the popular vote by 3+ million.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:10:58pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:18:57pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:19:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:20:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:25:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:27:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:30:45pm
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Belafon  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:31:56pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is the corporate state.

Yep, it’s the left pushing corporate control. //

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:32:24pm

Trumps lies have made for so much aggravating busywork for so many people. JFC.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:32:43pm
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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:36:53pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:38:36pm

They want to call Joe & Hunter Biden as “witnesses” so they can make the trial about THEM not Trump.

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:43:19pm

re: #81 The Pie Overlord!

They want to call Joe & Hunter Biden as “witnesses” so they can make the trial about THEM not Trump.

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I’d love to see Hunter Biden testify and hand them their asses. From what I’ve seen of how Republicans handle themselves in hearings, it probably wouldn’t even be that hard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:43:30pm

so busy, he is…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:44:23pm
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Teddy's Person  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:44:37pm

re: #82 makeitstop

I’d love to see Hunter Biden testify and hand them their asses. From what I’ve seen of how Republicans handle themselves in hearings, it probably wouldn’t even be that hard.

He can always talk to HRC if he needs any pointers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:47:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:48:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:50:45pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:53:31pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s like a cult of personality I’ve never seen in American presidential history. Stalin would love it though and so would Lenin which is what I think Bannon wanted to make with Trump.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:53:36pm

re: #81 The Pie Overlord!

They want to call Joe & Hunter Biden as “witnesses” so they can make the trial about THEM not Trump.

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y’all are reading this wrong
they will ‘vote to call witnesses”
and they will vote no

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:55:52pm

as a textile crafter/artist, I really enjoyed reading this short article

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Teddy's Person  Jan 13, 2020 • 1:58:54pm

Public Citizen today filed an ethics complaint against U.S. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) over his public statements on the pending impeachment trial of President Donald Trump. The complaint, filed with the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Ethics, requests it investigate and determine whether recent public declarations by McConnell violate his oath under the U.S. Constitution as well as the rules of the Senate requiring impartiality. The complaint seeks a determination on whether he should recuse himself from the impeachment proceedings. Source

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:04:46pm
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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:07:12pm

re: #82 makeitstop

I’d love to see Hunter Biden testify and hand them their asses. From what I’ve seen of how Republicans handle themselves in hearings, it probably wouldn’t even be that hard.

Maybe he could testify at Lunden Roberts case too.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:09:03pm

re: #61 Dread Pirate

“The assumptions of 2010 1946 that we were always going to be part of a #US coalition is really just not where we are going to be.”

FTFY

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:09:49pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:10:04pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Millions of Americans have marched for everything from higher minimum wages to opposition to war. Name a “socialist”/”progressive” policy and there’s polls that likely show majority support for it.

And nothing has changed.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:12:44pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Great article! I found this neat:

Between 80,000 and 100,000 years ago, head and body lice became separate species. “This is an indication that individuals started wearing skins,” says Sarah Wurz, an anthropologist at the University of the Witwatersrand, who was not associated with the d’Errico study. “The lice lived in these, and therefore evolved into a separate species.”

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:16:52pm

I call Bernie’s view of legislating the “Underpants Gnome” method, because every plan for making his promises law has a huge question mark in the spot between “introduce bill” and “bill becomes law.” He cannot seem to spell out what he’s going to do when all those millions of Americans march, only for Mitch to flip him the bird and watch as the legislation festers and dies. The man would wake up extra early just to piss in Bernie’s corn flakes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:24:55pm

ere: #81 The Pie Overlord!

They want to call Joe & Hunter Biden as “witnesses” so they can make the trial about THEM not Trump.

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They want to Benghazi Biden. This is how they damaged Hillary.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:26:05pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

I call Bernie’s view of legislating the “Underpants Gnome” method, because every plan for making his promises law has a huge question mark in the spot between “introduce bill” and “bill becomes law.” He cannot seem to spell out what he’s going to do when all those millions of Americans march, only for Mitch to flip him the bird and watch as the legislation festers and dies. The man would wake up extra early just to piss in Bernie’s corn flakes.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:26:52pm

re: #81 The Pie Overlord!

They want to call Joe & Hunter Biden as “witnesses” so they can make the trial about THEM not Trump.

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Honestly, in such a scenario, I’d suggest to Hunter, Joe, and whatever other “witnesses” Repubs wish to call to say they won’t take part in a “partisan” process and will not appear unless ordered to do so by a court.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:29:37pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

Millions of Americans have marched for everything from higher minimum wages to opposition to war. Name a “socialist”/”progressive” policy and there’s polls that likely show majority support for it.

And nothing has changed.

Exactly. I have a lot of family who love that Sanders supports this and that. They never answer how Bernie who has never been a great legislator hasn’t gotten his agenda passed as Senator and Rep. Therefore they can’t think of a valid reason that he’d be a successful executive. And it’s frustrating because they’re not dumb but they just hear Bernie promise the world and think that’s the way to ambitious reform. You want ambitious reform. Build a strong and lasting legislative majority. You’ve seen the fruits of that budding here in Virginia as have I.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:32:57pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:33:14pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I have a lot of family who love that Sanders supports this and that. They never answer how Bernie who has never been a great legislator hasn’t gotten his agenda passed as Senator and Rep. Therefore they can’t think of a valid reason that he’d be a successful executive. And it’s frustrating because they’re not dumb but they just hear Bernie promise the world and think that’s the way to ambitious reform. You want ambitious reform. Build a strong and lasting legislative majority. You’ve seen the fruits of that budding here in Virginia as have I.

hmmm
who recently mighta used that tactic?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:34:38pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:34:53pm

short story thread:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:36:48pm

re: #101 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

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They say they venerate FDR. Well FDR and also LBJ were very savvy politically. You would see longer and more substantial reform under a moderate like Biden than you would Bernie. My concern with Biden isn’t that he’s not able to get laws passed and implemented. It’s that he doesn’t see how the opposition doesn’t operate in good faith at all. Make no mistake, Bill Frist isn’t missed by me but he was more reasonable than the guy who brags about stopping legislation without even voting on it. We need a Senate majority. And Bernie has never seen the importance of that. Warren I feel does and I think Pete does too but I’m afraid Sanders does not and he would ignore down ticket races.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:38:00pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Beware the eyes that paralyze! For whatever reason reminds me of Children of the Damned.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:38:54pm

re: #105 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

hmmm
who recently mighta used that tactic?

Yeah. I think a lot of people don’t understand what the President actually does. It’s frustrating. Maybe someone like Bernie could have some use if he realized that change comes incrementally and I think he’s got a lot of young people convinced it doesn’t.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:39:04pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:40:04pm

re: #111 The Pie Overlord!

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I imagine that’s how most of the world feels.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:44:53pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

I imagine that’s how most of the world feels.

A Plague on Both Your Houses!! [Romeo + Juliet (1996)]

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:45:08pm

re: #6 Belafon

I saw an SUV in town with a sticker that said “Man up, Snowflake” and all I could think of is that this man probably yells at his tv every day.

“Snowflakes can carry baseball bats. Just to say.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:47:37pm

re: #114 Sherlock Hound

“Snowflakes can carry baseball bats. Just to say.”

Can’t decide if I would hit left or right :). I joke because my old one liner about my hitting ability is I hit left and right handed equally poorly. I was a decent pitcher and I have an accurate arm with a funky motion to it.

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uriel  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:48:32pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

I love how zany it looks when it’s tearing ass away from the guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:50:57pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:52:21pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:54:18pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:54:50pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I have a lot of family who love that Sanders supports this and that. They never answer how Bernie who has never been a great legislator hasn’t gotten his agenda passed as Senator and Rep. Therefore they can’t think of a valid reason that he’d be a successful executive. And it’s frustrating because they’re not dumb but they just hear Bernie promise the world and think that’s the way to ambitious reform. You want ambitious reform. Build a strong and lasting legislative majority. You’ve seen the fruits of that budding here in Virginia as have I.

Bernie’s never had major legislation with his name on it because Bernie doesn’t really involve himself in the sausage-making that is being a member of Congress. He “takes a stand” not when it’s important, but when the passage of the legislation is assured and so his speechifying against such amounts to a fart in the wind. Next time you discuss him and/or his proposals with your family, ask them a simple question: “What happens when he finally puts a bill forward…and they don’t like it?” It’s easy to put forward ideas during a campaign, it’s a lot harder when you actually have to start putting such to paper. If they don’t understand that, then tell them three words: “Affordable Care Act.”

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 13, 2020 • 2:58:31pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

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amazing how foia is having more success than the house of representatives

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:00:00pm

re: #120 Targetpractice

Bernie’s never had major legislation with his name on it because Bernie doesn’t really involve himself in the sausage-making that is being a member of Congress. He “takes a stand” not when it’s important, but when the passage of the legislation is assured and so his speechifying against such amounts to a fart in the wind. Next time you discuss him and/or his proposals with your family, ask them a simple question: “What happens when he finally puts a bill forward…and they don’t like it?” It’s easy to put forward ideas during a campaign, it’s a lot harder when you actually have to start putting such to paper. If they don’t understand that, then tell them three words: “Affordable Care Act.”

Lots of people have great ideas. Fewer people can get those laws into law. And that’s why finding leaders is difficult. Sanders’ legislative record isn’t a legit argument to nominate him. I really feel he would disappoint so many people and disillusion tons of people because I really think he would be an ineffective executive and it’s frustrating as hell being a big minority in my generation on that. Maybe I’m cynical in some ways after how ACA got distorted into Neo-Stalinism but maybe we fucking should be a little.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:02:46pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Lots of people have great ideas. Fewer people can get those laws into law. And that’s why finding leaders is difficult. Sanders’ legislative record isn’t a legit argument to nominate him. I really feel he would disappoint so many people and disillusion tons of people because I really think he would be an ineffective executive and it’s frustrating as hell being a big minority in my generation on that. Maybe I’m cynical in some ways after how ACA got distorted into Neo-Stalinism but maybe we fucking should be a little.

We’re going to need someone to not only get people out to vote for Democrats in 2020, but 2022 as well.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:03:32pm

When snow is falling when it’s 53 degrees at night… I know my 409k is headed for boomtown!

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BlueGrl21  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:04:54pm

My 17 year-old son (will be 18 in August) loves him some Bernie. He’s driving me nuts with a daily/hourly play-by-play of what Bernie said or did, what his supporters said or did, how much Bernie likes minor league baseball, and Bernie’s favorite sandwich.

I’m trying here because he is actually paying very close attention to the political process and wants to be involved in canvassing. I have told him to put his heart into it but be prepared that it could get broken. I still think Biden will ultimately be the nominee and I remind him daily that I will vote for Bernie, even though I don’t like him, because anyone is better than Trump. I expect him to do the same.

I also reminded him that Biden is up with the 65 and older vote, as well as African Americans. Those are the people who vote. If the kids want Bernie they’d better grow up and get to the polls. There will be no voting by Instagram or Twitter.

Only candidate we both like is Warren. I suspect many parents are having these same conversations with their voting-aged kids. Thank God we’re all Democrats, including my parents.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:05:10pm

re: #121 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

amazing how foia is having more success than the house of representatives

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Trump doesn’t understand FOIA and hasn’t yet gutted the process.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:05:26pm

re: #123 Belafon

We’re going to need someone to not only get people out to vote for Democrats in 2020, but 2022 as well.

Exactly

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Teddy's Person  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:07:14pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Lots of people have great ideas. Fewer people can get those laws into law. And that’s why finding leaders is difficult. Sanders’ legislative record isn’t a legit argument to nominate him. I really feel he would disappoint so many people and disillusion tons of people because I really think he would be an ineffective executive and it’s frustrating as hell being a big minority in my generation on that. Maybe I’m cynical in some ways after how ACA got distorted into Neo-Stalinism but maybe we fucking should be a little.

The BernieBros would double down on the hero worship just like the Trumpers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:07:26pm

“…so we killed the number one terrorist in the world…

…we’ll see you at the game. thank you.”

jeebus

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:07:28pm

re: #125 BlueGrl21

My oldest son started out liking Bernie in 2016. We even went to a rally held by Sanders in Dallas. By the time, when he went back to Iowa, to vote in the caucus, he had switched to Clinton. Some of it was just us talking politics, and asking him to look at a number of different issues.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:08:41pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

“…so we killed the number one terrorist in the world…

…we’ll see you at the game. thank you.”

jeebus

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“They can’t do that.” Who the fuck says, you tangerine-tinted turd?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:09:21pm

re: #125 BlueGrl21

My 17 year-old son (will be 18 in August) loves him some Bernie. He’s driving me nuts with a daily/hourly play-by-play of what Bernie said or did, what his supporters said or did, how much Bernie likes minor league baseball, and Bernie’s favorite sandwich.

I’m trying here because he is actually paying very close attention to the political process and wants to be involved in canvassing. I have told him to put his heart into it but be prepared that it could get broken. I still think Biden will ultimately be the nominee and I remind him daily that I will vote for Bernie, even though I don’t like him, because anyone is better than Trump. I expect him to do the same.

I also reminded him that Biden is up with the 65 and older vote, as well as African Americans. Those are the people who vote. If the kids want Bernie they’d better grow up and get to the polls. There will be no voting by Instagram or Twitter.

Only candidate we both like is Warren. I suspect many parents are having these same conversations with their voting-aged kids. Thank God we’re all Democrats, including my parents.

My middle brother likes Bernie. He’s where I was as a teenager. Super idealistic in a lot of ways. He’s educated enough but I think he needs to read more history about how we’ve gotten the radical changes in our history. There’s a lot of people like him and your son who are typically younger and by that, I mean under 30. I want a lot of what Bernie does. I agree completely with Bernie that wealth disparities cannot continue like this but Bernie ignores a lot and I hate the pedestal he puts himself on. I hate saying it to people but it’s Trump like and I fear a lot of otherwise sensible people ignore it since they like what he’s offering.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:09:57pm

re: #128 Teddy’s Person

The BernieBros would double down on the hero worship just like the Trumpers.

The bros would but not everyone who likes Bernie is a Berniebro.

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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:11:31pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Love those kitties!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:11:32pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

“…so we killed the number one terrorist in the world…

…we’ll see you at the game. thank you.”

jeebus

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It’s a game to him. Fucking dumbass.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:14:41pm
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Belafon  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:16:38pm
Bernie Sanders says he doesn’t want a super PAC. Instead, he has Our Revolution, a nonprofit political organization he founded that functions much the same as one.

Like a super PAC, which is shorthand for super political action committee, Our Revolution can raise unlimited sums from wealthy patrons that dwarf the limits faced by candidates and conventional PACs. Unlike a super PAC, however, the group doesn’t have to disclose its donors — a stream of revenue commonly referred to as “dark money.”

Now, with less than one month to go before the Iowa caucuses, Our Revolution appears to be skirting campaign finance law, which forbids groups founded by federal candidates and officeholders from using large donations to finance federal election activity, including Sanders’ 2020 bid….

…[W]hile Warren has come under fire for courting wealthy financiers in her past Senate campaigns, Sanders and Our Revolution have largely avoided scrutiny during the primary, even as he has accelerated his criticism of others, among them Biden, for relying on super PACs founded by their allies.

In the case of Our Revolution, which aims to boost voter turnout for Sanders, the Vermont senator was the founder…

The campaign finance act says groups “directly or indirectly established” by federal officeholders or candidates can’t “solicit, receive, direct, transfer, or spend funds” for federal electoral activity that exceeds the “limitations, prohibitions, and reporting requirements” of the law. Those limits are currently set at $2,800 for candidates and $5,000 for political action committees.

Our Revolution has taken in nearly $1 million from donors who gave more than the limits and whose identities it hasn’t fully disclosed, according to tax filings for 2016, 2017 and 2018. Much of it came from those who contributed six-figure sums.

It won’t have to publicly reveal its 2019 fundraising until after this year’s presidential election. And money it raises between now and then won’t have to be disclosed until the following year…

apnews.com

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:18:15pm

Another problem with the Bernie situation—if elected the quality of people he brings with him. They aren’t much different from the Trump entourage in terms of “loyalty,” etc. And Bernie hasn’t exactly distinguished himself when his employees and supporters act shitty.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:18:46pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:20:39pm

re: #136 Belafon

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:22:57pm

re: #136 Belafon

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re: #137 Belafon

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Welcome to 2016, where Bernie portrayed his as a “clean” campaign by whining that he had no control over his supporters who were regularly knifing his opponent in the back, while also exploiting loopholes in campaign finance laws while insisting he was avoiding large donors.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:23:01pm

re: #138 Barefoot Grin

Another problem with the Bernie situation—if elected the quality of people he brings with him. They aren’t much different from the Trump entourage in terms of “loyalty,” etc. And Bernie hasn’t exactly distinguished himself when his employees and supporters act shitty.

Exactly. I trust Biden and Warren when it comes to building a team. Bernie? Nina Turner? Tulsi last time? Cornel West? Who would a President Sanders consider for Secretary of State or Attorney General. Would he be willing to consider someone who may not have backed him in the primary but is a great legal mind.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:24:05pm

O_o

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:24:49pm

I hated it in 2009 but Obama was brilliant to make HRC his SoS. It did a lot to improve our reputation. And I guess I’m more positive about Biden than anyone else in FP matters is because Biden gets that the most of any Democratic candidate.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:29:05pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I hated it in 2009 but Obama was brilliant to make HRC his SoS. It did a lot to improve our reputation. And I guess I’m more positive about Biden than anyone else in FP matters is because Biden gets that the most of any Democratic candidate.

My belief is that anyone other than Bernie who is still in half-way serious contention (and that includes Tom Steyer and Mike Bloomberg) would select a stellar group of subordinates to populate their administration at all levels.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:31:37pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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FFS Rick, you’re Catholic, you know damn well that had we done things your way, pariochal schools would have been banned because 18th century America would have made Protestant Christianity the state religion and America would have resembled Penal Law era Ireland. It’s from five years ago I see but he still believes this.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:33:39pm

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

My belief is that anyone other than Bernie who is still in half-way serious contention (and that includes Tom Steyer and Mike Bloomberg) would select a stellar group of subordinates to populate their administration at all levels.

I tend to agree with that. I trust Biden on that. Delegation is such an important part of this job and that has shown so much in this era. Want fewer Pompeos? Mulvaney? Kavanaugh. Then don’t look at Sanders as the answer.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:41:10pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Yes.

Thank you. This has been today’s SATSQ.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:45:46pm

Awww gimme that violin over there so I can play a sad song. Yeah, you need an electron microscope to see that fiddle.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:51:31pm

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

“Man who shot self in both feet complains of difficulty walking”

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:55:35pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 3:58:18pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:00:28pm

re: #152 Dread Pirate

For all we know he was behind it.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:10:20pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:14:08pm

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

Awww gimme that violin over there so I can play a sad song. Yeah, you need an electron microscope to see that fiddle.

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But I thought capitalism was wonderful and anyone who complains is a PC crybaby who needs a safe space. Maybe if Stefan actually did something other than be a grown up version of a nine year old boy afraid of cooties, he wouldn’t have these problems.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:14:56pm

I am seeing (alleged) Bernoid accounts on Twitter reminding everyone that Joe Biden voted for the Iraq war, and also that Bernie was arrested one time at a civil rights protest in 1963 (and then was never seen again at any cr event)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:15:48pm

re: #151 Dread Pirate

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Reminds me of how Palin scoffed at fruit fly research being in funding. I knew how stupid that was since I had taken a biology class and knew how vital fruit flies are to genetics studies.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:16:11pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:18:59pm

re: #158 The Pie Overlord!

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He doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:21:11pm

re: #151 Dread Pirate

The various bills that made fetal tissue research legal in the 80s and 90s were supported overwhelmingly by…Republicans.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:23:58pm

Wait — Raw Story claims that Mitt Romney said he will vote to hear witnesses? Of course, it is Raw Story, one of the most unreliable sources on the left.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:27:51pm
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aatharuv  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:39:55pm

re: #160 Ace Rothstein

On a related note, one of Donald Trump’s own cabinet secretaries, Ben Carson, has personally done research using tissue from aborted fetuses.

Carson defends his research on aborted fetuses

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:44:02pm

re: #163 aatharuv

On a related note, one of Donald Trump’s own cabinet secretaries, Ben Carson, has personally done research using tissue from aborted fetuses.

Carson defends his research on aborted fetuses

How dare you! He lifted himself up by his own bootstraps with a little hoist from Jesus! ///

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:44:45pm

re: #163 aatharuv

On a related note, one of Donald Trump’s own cabinet secretaries, Ben Carson, has personally done research using tissue from aborted fetuses.

Carson defends his research on aborted fetuses

But that’s different.

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steve_davis  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:46:53pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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One of my students has a service dog for ptsd. apparently she is not a morning dog and that girl has to really coax her to come out from the desk after class. I suggested that maybe the folks who provide the dogs figured in their wisdom they would give a dog with its own set of high anxiety issues to a ptsd sufferer with the idea that caring for the dog’s worries might help the person with ptsd. and it seems to!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:51:38pm

re: #163 aatharuv

On a related note, one of Donald Trump’s own cabinet secretaries, Ben Carson, has personally done research using tissue from aborted fetuses.

Carson defends his research on aborted fetuses

Does anyone here believe that Trump personally cares about abortion? Nope - no way. OTOH, if he thinks Carson has become a liability, he would discard him without a second thought.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:56:08pm

re: #160 Ace Rothstein

The various bills that made fetal tissue research legal in the 80s and 90s were supported overwhelmingly by…Republicans.

1970’s Republicans were a very different breed.

Nixon signed the EPA into existence, and OSHA, and Title IX and Title X. He proposed a universal health care program considerably left of Obamacare (Ted Kennedy said his greatest regret in his senate career was turning it down, because he thought he could get something even leftier.)

It was also somebody on Nixon’s team who first came up with Universal Basic Income (automation wasn’t such a big consideration back then, but UBI would have alleviated the need for minimum wage, food stamps, unemployment or disability benefits, etc).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 4:59:07pm

re: #167 Hecuba’s daughter

Does anyone here believe that Trump personally cares about abortion? Nope - no way. OTOH, if he thinks Carson has become a liability, he would discard him without a second thought.

It’s not about Trump. It’s about the hypocrisy of the religious right.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:02:51pm

re: #168 sagehen

1970’s Republicans were a very different breed.

Nixon signed the EPA into existence, and OSHA, and Title IX and Title X. He proposed a universal health care program considerably left of Obamacare (Ted Kennedy said his greatest regret in his senate career was turning it down, because he thought he could get something even leftier.)

It was also somebody on Nixon’s team who first came up with Universal Basic Income (automation wasn’t such a big consideration back then, but UBI would have alleviated the need for minimum wage, food stamps, unemployment or disability benefits, etc).

Even Richard Nixon has got soul as Neil Young said. I think Nixon flawed as he was and he was flawed understood that government can have a positive role in developing a society.

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teleskiguy  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:03:34pm

Got to ride one of my favorite chairlifts today. Was able to photo a skier getting some hang time.

Instagram

Pallavicini at @arapahoe_basin ski area. One of my favorite chairs in Colorado.

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gocart mozart  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:10:20pm
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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:12:35pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

No picture is showing up here. Sad face!

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:13:22pm

F Trump. He just has to make everything about himself.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:14:03pm

Fuggin’ hell. Trump insists on walking out with the color guard at the college football national championship game for the national anthem. Saying he got booed out of the building would be an understatement. Football fans in New Orleans don’t put up with BS at all.

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teleskiguy  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:14:22pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:15:05pm

I really don’t see what all this fuss is about but apparantly it’s akin to nuclear war

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:15:24pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:17:19pm

re: #172 gocart mozart

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Trump doesn’t get his total dismissal. This is good.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:18:26pm

re: #178 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

That’s only because he thinks of himself as Supreme Leader.

He definitely doesn’t understand what the President actually does.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:19:00pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:23:07pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

He definitely doesn’t understand what the President actually does.

Trump believes that “Being President” is the reward he gets for “winning” the Election. He thinks that holding rallies and campaigning is the “real work.”

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:28:23pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

He definitely doesn’t understand what the President actually does.

“What’s good for M&M Enterprises is good for the country.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:30:23pm

re: #177 gocart mozart

I really don’t see what all this fuss is about but apparantly it’s akin to nuclear war

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It’s the fact that her team leaked it now, after sitting on it for a full fucking year. I mean, if I were a Sanders supporter I’d be pissed too, because it kind of signals a zero sum game, where Warren is calculating that her worst case scenario is she drags Sanders down with her and moves into decent contention for the role of Biden’s VP.

And while nothing about that analysis is wrong, luckily I’m not a Sanders supporter so I don’t give a fuck. Also, he absolutely did say that shit, it’s 100% who he is.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:40:51pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:41:49pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:42:20pm

Sorry, I’m just kinda over this entire fucking primary. Can’t wait for it to be over so we can focus on defeating Trump.

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EPR-radar  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:46:19pm

re: #187 goddamnedfrank

Sorry, I’m just kinda over this entire fucking primary. Can’t wait for it to be over so we can focus on defeating Trump.

Ditto. I’d also like to see everyone on Team D thinking much less about presidential races and much more about party-building, 50 state strategy, state-level races, and the damn Senate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:48:42pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Viva los Zopilotes!!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:51:49pm

re: #188 EPR-radar

Ditto. I’d also like to see everyone on Team D thinking much less about presidential races and much more about party-building, 50 state strategy, state-level races, and the damn Senate.

Absolutely.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:53:01pm

re: #186 Dread Pirate

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We need to be ready for this.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:55:23pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:55:47pm

And now on MSNBC, fashion-icon Dave Weigel.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:56:10pm

I think this Sanders-Warren spat is exactly why the self professed progressive wing of the party has a lot to learn about building a movement.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 5:56:43pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:00:20pm

re: #195 Dread Pirate

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JFC

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:01:06pm

Oh, so that’s part of the reason for the bloated military budget…

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:02:17pm

re: #195 Dread Pirate

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Beat me to it.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:06:07pm

re: #188 EPR-radar

Ditto. I’d also like to see everyone on Team D thinking much less about presidential races and much more about party-building, 50 state strategy, state-level races, and the damn Senate.

Can’t speak for the country, but that’s the way it’s going in my neck of the woods. Oh. Greetings from the other side of the Panama Canal, heading for Costa Rica.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:15:13pm
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Jay C  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:19:54pm

re: #200 Dread Pirate

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So IOW, China can ( and will) keep on manipulating its currency, and we just won’t do anything about as long as Trump can declare a “ victory”?

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EPR-radar  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:22:22pm

re: #201 Jay C

So IOW, China can ( and will) keep on manipulating its currency, and we just won’t do anything about as long as Trump can declare a “ victory”?

Somewhere, the check for a bribe to Trump just cleared.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:24:20pm

This ratfuckerin is fixing to be the Jill Stein of 2020.

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BigPapa  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:24:21pm

re: #2 I Would Prefer Not To

Imagine the stuff that is going to cone out when he leaves office.

Image how hard his supporters will be reminded of the stuff after he’s gone.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:28:15pm

re: #203 The Pie Overlord!

This ratfuckerin is fixing to be the Jill Stein of 2020.

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More reporters should be looking into her financing.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:29:48pm
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mmmirele  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:31:24pm

Another day at work, another day of “Fox Business” on the Jumbotron. I was told, “they’re testing it.” I may have to up my objections to “this is creating a hostile work environment” soon. Seriously, I want NO TV. They can put up a screensaver to test.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:33:43pm
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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:35:37pm

re: #208 Dread Pirate

Oh shudder, no!!!

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:35:38pm

re: #207 mmmirele

You don’t have to look at that corpse Lou Dobbs do you?

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:36:34pm

re: #207 mmmirele

Another day at work, another day of “Fox Business” on the Jumbotron. I was told, “they’re testing it.” I may have to up my objections to “this is creating a hostile work environment” soon. Seriously, I want NO TV. They can put up a screensaver to test.

Weather Channel.
Animal Planet
Fishtank channel.

My cable system even has something called Dog TV… something for your fur baby to watch all day while you’re at work.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:39:51pm

re: #211 sagehen

Weather Channel.
Animal Planet
Fishtank channel.

My cable system even has something called Dog TV… something for your fur baby to watch all day while you’re at work.

I once had a dog that hated sharks and lions and would attack the big screen TV every time. I had to block out The Animal Channel and Discovery in case he saw one as I flipped through channels.

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teleskiguy  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:43:15pm

re: #173 retired cynic

No picture is showing up here. Sad face!

Maybe click on the link in this here tweet?

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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:44:13pm

re: #213 teleskiguy

Maybe click on the link in this here tweet?

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Lovely! But it looks so cold… I’m too soft for such!

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:44:16pm
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sagehen  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:44:53pm

re: #212 Dread Pirate

I once had a dog that hated sharks and lions and would attack the big screen TV every time. I had to block out The Animal Channel and Discovery in case he saw one as I flipped through channels.

My roommate’s dog when I was in college LOVED Letterman’s Stupid Pet Tricks segment. If he heard Letterman say that after the break is SPT, he’d come running and park himself in front of the TV. (this is the same dog who used to play solitaire fetch on the stairs. Drop the ball, go get it, drop it again…)

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teleskiguy  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:47:49pm

re: #214 retired cynic

Lovely! But it looks so cold… I’m too soft for such!

And windy! Made for deep powder pockets on leeward sides of ridges. Also, it was like skiing inside of a ping pong ball above treeline.

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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:49:04pm

re: #217 teleskiguy

It looks like powder, in the air and on the ground.

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gocart mozart  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:51:48pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:54:04pm
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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:55:20pm

re: #220 gocart mozart

Malkin, that stupid $%^&*(

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 6:58:28pm

Republicans are not a political party, they are a dangerous cult.

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gocart mozart  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:01:33pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:06:54pm

Please talk to me cause I think a woman can win in 2020.

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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:08:33pm

re: #224 I Would Prefer Not To

Please talk to me cause I think a woman can win in 2020.

Kamala was my candidate. So I sure thought so!

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garzooma  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:09:49pm

re: #222 The Pie Overlord!

Republicans are not a political party, they are a dangerous cult.

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Politico had an article on Trump supporters explaining themselves. It used one remark in its title “He Is Our O.J.” Basically, a riff on “I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue.” It’s like at some level, they’re aware that they’re a cult.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:09:54pm

I’m still with Amy; so I think so too,

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:10:06pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:12:37pm

re: #221 retired cynic

Malkin, that stupid $%^&*(

She really is stupid. “Cannot be understated” is the exact opposite of what she means.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:13:53pm

I like Liz. We can elect her.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:16:42pm
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Florida Panhandler  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:19:25pm

re: #222 The Pie Overlord!

Republicans are not a political party, they are a dangerous cult.

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Trump is not the disease.Trump is the primary symptom.

American White male entitlement is the disease.

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Citizen K  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:20:59pm

re: #223 gocart mozart

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So Bernie and Warren have a tiff…and apparently attacking the non-Dem between them shows how Dems will only ever attack each other. It’s Warren that’s disrupting party unity, right? Never can be Bernie’s fault ever.

Most diverse primary just seems to prove that this is No Country for Non-White Men…or any Woman.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:29:45pm
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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:32:44pm

re: #233 Citizen K

I think a bunch of people got spooked by the backlash against a polished and accomplished black man, no matter how well he did. In fact, it seemed like the better he did the more hate was pumped up. And that hate was rolled up in a ball with everything thrown at Hillary Clinton since she was first lady of Arkansas, and when despite it all, she won the popular vote by a considerable margin, she somehow lost a few northern industrial states with Republican governors by very slim margins. So SOME people are probably thinking it is too soon for a woman or PoC. Gotta have a white man in there again! And I wasn’t against some of the white men in the race either. Just think enough people got spooked to pull back and get cautious.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:32:46pm

re: #61 Dread Pirate

Well, since they’re cutting ties with the EU who are they going to ally themselves with? Russia? China? Saudi Arabia?

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gocart mozart  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:39:08pm
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sagehen  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:40:49pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

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1. Donner party
2. Uraguayan soccer players
3. Science fiction story, “A Boy and His Dog.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:41:55pm

re: #225 retired cynic

Kamala was my candidate. So I sure thought so!

She was mine too. Clinton beat Trump and Bernie in the popular vote. Of course, a woman can win.

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Citizen K  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:54:44pm

re: #235 retired cynic

I think a bunch of people got spooked by the backlash against a polished and accomplished black man, no matter how well he did. In fact, it seemed like the better he did the more hate was pumped up. And that hate was rolled up in a ball with everything thrown at Hillary Clinton since she was first lady of Arkansas, and when despite it all, she won the popular vote by a considerable margin, she somehow lost a few northern industrial states with Republican governors by very slim margins. So SOME people are probably thinking it is too soon for a woman or PoC. Gotta have a white man in there again! And I wasn’t against some of the white men in the race either. Just think enough people got spooked to pull back and get cautious.

I mean, that’s basically my read too, but at the same time, it feels like just another regression to pile on to all the other regressions this country seems to rapidly cede itself to.

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BeachDem  Jan 13, 2020 • 8:00:07pm

re: #227 sagehen

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:17:44am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Historical actual letters by some of the original founders begs to differ Frothy.


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