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Florida Panhandler  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:33:00pm

Trump’s base will defend him of absolutely everything and I mean EVERYTHING as long as he promotes the notion of White Power. This is what the election is all about.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:35:59pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:39:40pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:44:09pm

JFC

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:44:13pm

re: #1 Florida Panhandler

Trump’s base will defend him of absolutely everything and I mean EVERYTHING as long as he promotes the notion of White Power. This is what the election is all about.

What kills me is how many people on Disability worship Trump and will keep voting Republican even after the GOP cuts their benefits. They’ll still vote Republican after that because they live to kick colored people down!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:48:33pm

re: #4 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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I really wish Warren had brought this up earlier. I 100% believe her but there were legitimate stories about Bernie being a patronizing douche to women officeholders (see former Vermont governor Madeline Kunin’s writings on how Bernie was to her when she was Vermont’s first woman governor and he ran against her.) I like Warren but I really think she has been too busy trying to play nice with Bernie’s campaign when they’re as ruthless as any campaign.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:50:41pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

What kills me is how many people on Disability worship Trump and will keep voting Republican even after the GOP cuts their benefits. They’ll still vote Republican after that because they live to kick colored people down!

Hate is a powerful drug. I’m a liberal because I want everyone to have a chance. And that means everyone. I know as a person on the spectrum that if not for my family’s middle class background, my life would be more difficult.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:51:14pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I really wish Warren had brought this up earlier. I 100% believe her but there were legitimate stories about Bernie being a patronizing douche to women officeholders (see former Vermont governor Madeline Kunin’s writings on how Bernie was to her when she was Vermont’s first woman governor and he ran against her.) I like Warren but I really think she has been too busy trying to play nice with Bernie’s campaign when they’re as ruthless as any campaign.

Warren is trying to be the person who would appeal to both Biden and Sanders supporters. This came out the other day. That’s why I think the stuff about her and Sanders is coming out, to try to damage that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:51:28pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I really wish Warren had brought this up earlier. I 100% believe her but there were legitimate stories about Bernie being a patronizing douche to women officeholders (see former Vermont governor Madeline Kunin’s writings on how Bernie was to her when she was Vermont’s first woman governor and he ran against her.) I like Warren but I really think she has been too busy trying to play nice with Bernie’s campaign when they’re as ruthless as any campaign.

Berniebots are really out-assholing themselves here in my area of Los Angeles. Now Yang signs are getting torn up and Bernie’s pop back up.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:55:50pm

re: #4 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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He saw her as a total non-threat.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2020 • 7:56:40pm

re: #4 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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Frankly I don’t believe a word that liar says!

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gocart mozart  Jan 13, 2020 • 8:08:46pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 8:12:34pm
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danarchy  Jan 13, 2020 • 8:26:55pm

I swear someone mentioned here that Trump got booed out of the stadium at the CFP National Championship. So it confused me when I saw a bunch of headlines about Trump getting cheered. Unfortunately, it seems to me there was a lot more cheering than booing.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2020 • 8:30:13pm

re: #14 danarchy

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 9:00:58pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 9:04:07pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 13, 2020 • 9:36:42pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jan 13, 2020 • 9:39:28pm

re: #4 The Pie Overlord!

Of course. Ratfucker.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 13, 2020 • 9:41:51pm

re: #12 gocart mozart

Heh, heh! I don’t even like AOC, but she’s in the right people’s heads, as it were.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2020 • 9:44:18pm

re: #14 danarchy

I swear someone mentioned here that Trump got booed out of the stadium at the CFP National Championship. So it confused me when I saw a bunch of headlines about Trump getting cheered. Unfortunately, it seems to me there was a lot more cheering than booing.

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One team was from Louisiana and one team was from South Carolina. Also the game was in Louisiana. So, not shocking there’d be quite a bit of pro-Trump leanings.

To me it honestly seemed like a mixed reaction but YMMV.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 13, 2020 • 9:45:38pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

What kills me is how many people on Disability worship Trump and will keep voting Republican even after the GOP cuts their benefits. They’ll still vote Republican after that because they live to kick colored people down!

I’m on disability and if the administration goes through with their proposed changes to audit recipients, I am screwed. No other support.

(They say “review” but people I trust say it would be an “audit”.)

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 13, 2020 • 9:46:37pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

What kills me is how many people on Disability worship Trump and will keep voting Republican even after the GOP cuts their benefits. They’ll still vote Republican after that because they live to kick colored people down!

I know people who don’t blame Trump or the GOP for cuts to their disability, but the “illegals who are stealing from their benefits.” You can’t convinced them otherwise.

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ckkatz  Jan 13, 2020 • 10:13:44pm

re: #18 Rightwingconspirator

In the same thread was this one:

Squirrel “SHOOTS” a slinky at Chipmunk

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:06:44pm

re: #22 Sherlock Hound

I’m on disability and if the administration goes through with their proposed changes to audit recipients, I am screwed. No other support.

If you have white skin, you’re probably safe. If you don’t well who the hell knows with this sorry, fucked up excuse of an Administration.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 13, 2020 • 11:48:51pm

Is that Trump?

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 14, 2020 • 12:24:07am

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

If you have white skin, you’re probably safe. If you don’t well who the hell knows with this sorry, fucked up excuse of an Administration.

My friends don’t necessarily have white skin, so I’m already pissed off on their behalf.

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SteelPH  Jan 14, 2020 • 12:57:14am

re: #22 Sherlock Hound

I’m on disability and if the administration goes through with their proposed changes to audit recipients, I am screwed. No other support.

(They say “review” but people I trust say it would be an “audit”.)

Same here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 1:49:08am

re: #1 Florida Panhandler

Trump’s base will defend him of absolutely everything and I mean EVERYTHING as long as he promotes the notion of White Power. This is what the election is all about.

Many are aware of what a crook and scoundrel he is but still support him because they hate dark-skinned people more and feel threatened by them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 1:54:13am

re: #20 Sherlock Hound

Heh, heh! I don’t even like AOC, but she’s in the right people’s heads, as it were.

I have not mentioned this for some time so I will repeat. She is not only ethnic, hip, urban and intelligent, but she is also hot and she gives those bastards (young and old) a stonking boner, which they know that they will never have a chance to stick it in her, and that makes them all the more obsessed and frustrated.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 14, 2020 • 3:32:07am

Vince Vaughn is trending for meeting with Trump at football game last night. The first hundred tweets are all about “uh oh, this will surely trigger the libs!” Still haven’t found a tweet by a triggered lib, but I don’t feel like searching either.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 14, 2020 • 4:01:44am

re: #17 Dread Pirate

Ah yes, the pickle party.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 14, 2020 • 5:19:38am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 5:21:52am

re: #31 Barefoot Grin

Vince Vaughn is trending for meeting with Trump at football game last night. The first hundred tweets are all about “uh oh, this will surely trigger the libs!” Still haven’t found a tweet by a triggered lib, but I don’t feel like searching either.

Yeah if Vince Vaughn wants to hang with Trump, fine, he hasn’t been in anything I’ve enjoyed since I was a teenager. It’s not like he’s a huge star these days.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 5:26:01am

re: #33 Patricia Kayden

Trump claimed he “saved” protections for people with preexisting medical conditions. History tells a different story. ]

Trump can claim anything he wants, people will step up to rationalize or defend his version of events, and the press will dutifully and conscientiously present “both sides”.

That is the New Media Reality.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 5:29:09am

re: #8 Belafon

Warren is trying to be the person who would appeal to both Biden and Sanders supporters. This came out the other day. That’s why I think the stuff about her and Sanders is coming out, to try to damage that.

That’s true. I don’t resent Warren for that because as I said last night, not everyone who likes Bernie is a Bernie bro but Bernie has a serious problem of dismissing women and candidates of color’s aspirations if they’re not with him. And I think Warren could have taken away some of Bernie’s support and got him more scrutiny that he entirely deserves by bringing this to attention. I really hope the young men and women who look up to Bernie see that this is a big part of who he is.

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jeffreyw  Jan 14, 2020 • 5:34:57am

Behold my field of fucks!

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 14, 2020 • 5:42:03am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 14, 2020 • 5:43:44am

Big job ahead of us

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 14, 2020 • 5:50:29am

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lawhawk  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:00:39am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Given Trump’s nonstop lies about him “protecting” people with preexisting conditions and claiming Democrats want to destroy those protections, you’d think that media outlets would actually use the word lie?

Nope. They still can’t do it. They’re still hunting for a goddamned thesaurus:

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:02:20am

re: #4 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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He knew you didn’t have a chance because you’re a crackpot. Not because …female.
So he didn’t care much

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lawhawk  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:02:35am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:03:27am

THIS IS WHY I LOVE KATIE PORTER!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:03:59am

re: #39 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Big job ahead of us

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They’re the same people who blame him for Katrina too. What right wing media has done is the create an image of liberals and conservatives that just doesn’t exist and they do it through lies.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:05:12am

re: #43 lawhawk

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I hate how fake she is. So Vanky, what’s Daddy doing on this issue? You sticking your face in it acting like you’re concerned isn’t doing anything.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:06:54am

I swear. We have this alternative reality where Trump isn’t the biggest liar ever to be President and the NYT really wants to go with that because they somehow think it’s going to get them conservative readers.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:11:35am

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have not mentioned this for some time so I will repeat. She is not only ethnic, hip, urban and intelligent, but she is also hot and she gives those bastards (young and old) a stonking boner, which they know that they will never have a chance to stick it in her, and that makes them all the more obsessed and frustrated.

Intelligence is a hell of a turn on

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:11:42am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I swear. We have this alternative reality where Trump isn’t the biggest liar ever to be President and the NYT really wants to go with that because they somehow think it’s going to get them conservative readers.

Even now The Screw York Times is fabricating more lies about the Bidens to put on their front page.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:20:21am
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Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:22:10am

The choices had to narrow. The very fact that people of color ran in such large numbers speaks to the diversity of our party. And the group has decided that we must pick between Biden, Warren, Sanders, and Buttigieg. We know some of the reasons are electability, but eventually we were going to lose some of the people running.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:23:57am

re: #51 Belafon

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The choices had to narrow. The very fact that people of color ran in such large numbers speaks to the diversity of our party. And the group has decided that we must pick between Biden, Warren, Sanders, and Buttigieg. We know some of the reasons are electability, but eventually we were going to lose some of the people running.

I just hate that the field got so old and white. Of the four left, I am undecided between Warren and Biden. I wonder how many of me there are out there.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:28:28am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

I just hate that the field got so old and white. Of the four left, I am undecided between Warren and Biden. I wonder how many of me there are out there.

I do to, Harris was my first choice, but they were all possible contenders, unlike Williamson and a few other whites.

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Ferdinand  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:30:26am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

I take solace in the fact that the far and away preferred candidate of black voters, Biden, is still in the race. Sad to lose Kamala and Cory before I could vote for either though.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:36:23am

That Donald Trump, Jr recruitment poster was done by a couple of comedians: dailykos.com.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:40:25am

re: #54 Ferdinand

I take solace in the fact that the far and away preferred candidate of black voters, Biden, is still in the race. Sad to lose Kamala and Cory before I could vote for either though.

And that’s something us whites in the party have to watch out for:
Us: Why didn’t you back a black camdidate?
African American: Because we didn’t want to.
Us: But I don’t understand…

They rated everything they viewed as important, and are backing Biden.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:44:45am

re: #54 Ferdinand

I take solace in the fact that the far and away preferred candidate of black voters, Biden, is still in the race. Sad to lose Kamala and Cory before I could vote for either though.

Same and as much as he annoys me with nostalgia for Republicans of the past, I trust Biden.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:46:16am

re: #56 Belafon

And that’s something us whites in the party have to watch out for:
Us: Why didn’t you back a black camdidate?
African American: Because we didn’t want to.
Us: But I don’t understand…

They rated everything they viewed as important, and are backing Biden.

Yep. Just sucks that Harris and Booker never took off though. I’m really hoping the VP pick is someone from them or at least their path of pragmatic liberal idealism.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 6:47:26am

re: #55 Belafon

That Donald Trump, Jr recruitment poster was done by a couple of comedians: dailykos.com.

That’s some good trolling.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:06:47am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:10:56am

re: #60 Dave In Austin

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Trump and his allies were jerks to the Bush family who I admit I have my own problems with but they had more service to their country on a bad day than anyone named Trump ever had.

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teleskiguy  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:14:02am
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retired cynic  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:18:01am

Charlie Pierce adds a different angle to the Sanders - Warren spat. It appeared that Warren was the aggressor, in talking about the convo that the two had had a year ago. However:

The other real news in advance of Tuesday night’s debate in Des Moines is the spat over the weekend between the campaigns of Bernie Sanders and Senator Professor Warren. Both of the candidates expressed shock that actual politics had broken out during a political campaign. Somebody leaked some talking points from the Sanders campaign in which volunteers were instructed to talk down SPW as an elitist who could not expand the party’s base. This was recognized to be the end of the non-aggression pact between the two campaigns.

SPW said she was “disappointed” that the Sanders forces had chosen to “trash” her. Sanders, meanwhile, explained that the two of them were still thick as thieves, and all of the folks who have parachuted into Iowa for the next few weeks had something interesting to write about. But there’s no question that the Sanders campaign was the initial belligerent here, and SPW, for her part, handled it in the proper Federalist Papers fashion.

“We all saw the impact of the factionalism in 2016, and we can’t have a repeat of that. I hope Bernie reconsiders and turns his campaign in a different direction.”

This was a nice riposte, sending a hardly subliminal message to those Hillary Rodham Clinton voters who are still frosted over the damage they believe Sanders did to HRC last time around. As for Tuesday’s debate, it’s no better than 6-5 that Sanders’s primary target will be Biden, and not Warren. But the narrowing of the field paradoxically means less ground to fight on. Small things become bigger. Lighter issues gain substance and weight. Factionalism rears its head, just like it was supposed to long ago.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:20:32am

re: #63 retired cynic

Charlie Pierce adds a different angle to the Sanders - Warren spat. It appeared that Warren was the aggressor, in talking about the convo that the two had had a year ago. However:

Democrats in disarray!!! The Center cannot hold, hard veer to the left!!! Booker and Harris are losers because they dropped out!!!

The GOP has no primary campaign to distract them from ratfucking and trash-talking the Democratic nomination process.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:28:46am

re: #63 retired cynic

Charlie Pierce adds a different angle to the Sanders - Warren spat. It appeared that Warren was the aggressor, in talking about the convo that the two had had a year ago. However:

If Warren is an elitist, so is Bernie. I’m tired of him acting like he’s the only one with a pulse on what the average American wants, it’s very Trumpian. Wish Warren had brought this convo up earlier because people who actually know a thing or two know that Bernie is a bit of a jerk to women he sees as threats. The former governor of Vermont wrote about it. I’ve turned anti Bernie because I’ve read about how he is at home. I don’t want the left’s Trump.

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lawhawk  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:30:43am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:31:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:31:56am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

If Warren is an elitist, so is Bernie. I’m tired of him acting like he’s the only one with a pulse on what the average American wants, it’s very Trumpian.

Bernie cannot win against Trump. There are more people who want him as the nominee than want him as President.

Warren can. Which is why she has to be trashed at every opportunity, especially if it makes Bernie look (relatively) better.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:33:09am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Bernie cannot win against Trump. There are more people who want him as the nominee than want him as President.

Warren can. Which is why she has to be trashed at every opportunity, especially if it makes Bernie look (relatively) better.

You underestimate the people who genuinely support him. They’re wrong imo but they exist.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:34:29am

re: #67 The Pie Overlord!

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Once a cesspool for racism, always one. NR hasn’t changed since Buckley was waxing poetic about why the Jim Crow South must succeed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:36:18am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

You underestimate the people who genuinely support him. They’re wrong imo but they exist.

There are lots of idealists who support him, but there are also a lot of ratfuckers who see him as the one least likely to defeat Trump. And those ratfuckers know how easy it is to play an idealist…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:37:02am

re: #66 lawhawk

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But you know don’t call them concentration camps. This shit is obscenely anti American. When I eulogized my grandmother last week, I proudly talked of her immigrant parents. I have their wedding photo on my desk now. Next year will be a 100 years since Great Grandma got here alone from post WWI Czechoslovakia as a young woman with only hopes and dreams.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:38:21am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are lots of idealists who support him, but there are also a lot of ratfuckers who see him as the one least likely to defeat Trump. And those ratfuckers know how easy it is to play an idealist…

I’m just saying that the idealists really do exist and dismissing them as ratfucks or just conned by ratfucks isn’t the whole story. There are people who genuinely want radical change to our econ status quo and they’re real and not all stupid or marks.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:40:12am

It’s a Conspiracy!!

Trump got elected to make George Bush look good.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:40:18am

When stuff about Biden, or any of our candidates, starts coming out of the Ukraine, our job will be to laugh at the crappy job Trump is doing at trying to discredit his opponent, not take it seriously.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:42:42am

re: #73 HappyWarrior

I’m just saying that the idealists really do exist and dismissing them as ratfucks or just conned by ratfucks isn’t the whole story. There are people who genuinely want radical change to our econ status quo and they’re real and not all stupid or marks.

There are idealists and there are ratfuckers. Two distinct types.

Actually three

I do not like Bernie but would vote for him against Trump
Idealists love Bernie and will not vote for anyone else, even against Trump
Ratfuckers claim to love Bernie but support his nomination only to then vote for Trump

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Jay C  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:43:00am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Once a cesspool for racism, always one. NR hasn’t changed since Buckley was waxing poetic about why the Jim Crow South must succeed.

Strange coincidence: I was just leafing through some old NYT Book Reviews,and found one from last November reviewing a book focusing on WFB’s famous Cambridge debate with James Baldwin in 1965. And yeah, not much has changed. Except maybe that today’s NR hacks don’t have have Buckley’s intellectual grounding. Not that he used it for much other than apologetics for racism, though……

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:45:04am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are idealists and there are ratfuckers. Two distinct types.

Actually three

I do not like Bernie but would vote for him against Trump
Idealists love Bernie and will not vote for anyone else, even against Trump
Ratfuckers claim to love Bernie but support his nomination only to then vote for Trump

It’s not that simple. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. Not everyone is so black and white.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:47:08am

re: #77 Jay C

Strange coincidence: I was just leafing through some old NYT Book Reviews,and found one from last November reviewing a book focusing on WFB’s famous Cambridge debate with James Baldwin in 1965. And yeah, not much has changed. Except maybe that today’s NR hacks don’t have have Buckley’s intellectual grounding. Not that he used it for much other than apologetics for racism, though……

I wonder what humiliated that old bigot more that Baldwin was black, gay, a left winger, & that he schooled him at Cambridge. But yeah the only real difference is Buckley was intelligent but still a racist apologist. I’m really hoping he gets a serious look at his way of influencing the racist ideology of the new right.

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lawhawk  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:48:34am

Pelosi announces that the House will be voting to send the articles of impeachment to the Senate tomorrow.

That she’s announced the schedule for the vote means that they have the votes to do it, which means it’s on.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:51:20am

Anyhow later all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 7:51:47am

re: #78 HappyWarrior

It’s not that simple. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. Not everyone is so black and white.

I understand, and the categories are very broad and not definitive/comprehensive. Bernie has some decent ideas but I simply cannot see him winning the Presidency.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:02:37am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I understand, and the categories are very broad and not definitive/comprehensive. Bernie has some decent ideas but I simply cannot see him winning the Presidency.

Here’s the question again for all of us.

If Bernie were to get the nod (No!). Where are you then?
Voting in Nose hold of staying home.

I’m going to go take a shower now. I feel seriously unclean.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:03:30am

re: #83 Dave In Austin

Here’s the question again for all of us.

If Bernie were to get the nod (No!). Where are you then?
Voting in Nose hold of staying home.

I’m going to go take a shower now. I feel seriously unclean.

I’m voting for my preference in the primary, and voting for the Democratic nominee in November. And get my friends to do the same.

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piratedan  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:04:17am

based on past behavior from Sanders advocates, I’m inclined to believe Warren. Bernie still hasn’t joined the Democratic Party, still isn’t supporting downticket Democrats running for office and still hasn’t disavowed his Russian assistance or his social-media troll army that are still in place from 2016….

unsure why anyone would bother to give him the benefit of the doubt, he hasn’t earned it.

My guess is that this blow up is to make sure that Warren doesn’t consolidate the party and to make sure that Biden is the nominee. All Warren did was to confirm that the conversation took place and that BS wasn’t supportive of her candidacy most likely because she would be crowding his own opportunity.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:04:47am

I support Elizabeth Warren and this exaggerated “feud” between her and Bernie is just an irrelevant distraction.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:06:55am

re: #86 The Pie Overlord!

Some WN in the local paper was spewing off about this and and i said “I really don’t care”, you’re not understanding the situation.

He got pissed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:08:15am

re: #83 Dave In Austin

Here’s the question again for all of us.

If Bernie were to get the nod (No!). Where are you then?
Voting in Nose hold of staying home.

I’m going to go take a shower now. I feel seriously unclean.

I mentioned that earlier: I would certainly vote for him - and then go home and see how long it was before the election was called for DT…

89
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:09:03am

re: #86 The Pie Overlord!

I support Elizabeth Warren and this exaggerated “feud” between her and Bernie is just an irrelevant distraction ratfucking to fit the “Democrats in disarray” narrative.

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danarchy  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:14:44am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When this stuff was leaked by the campaigns they new exactly what was going to happen. Not sure you can call it ratfucking, it was a conscious decision, if not by the candidates themselves, then highly placed staffers.

91
jeffreyw  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:15:10am

re: #86 The Pie Overlord!

I support Elizabeth Warren and this exaggerated “feud” between her and Bernie is just an irrelevant distraction.

Agree with this 100%. If Warren is still in when Illinois votes the primary I will vote for her. I expect she will be among the contenders. If she doesn’t get the nomination I will be disappointed but will then work for, contribute to, and then vote for the Democrat. Yellow dog dem, union man, retired with a union bargained pension, covered by Democratic passed medicare health insurance. I know how I got here and I will die a Democrat.

92
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:15:23am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Agreed.

The problem is the Republicans are such wussy bitches they’ll fall in behind Trump without question, whereas Democrats are far more willing to allow all kinds of dissent and criticisms to be aired out in the open.

It’s one of the areas where the party constantly appears weak. I’m all for constructive criticisms and everyone having a voice, but there has to be a point where we need to set out differences aside in favor of a universally agreed upon goal (removal of Trump) and get the fuck to work.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:17:37am

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed.

The problem is the Republicans are such wussy bitches they’ll fall in behind Trump without question, whereas Democrats are far more willing to allow all kinds of dissent and criticisms to be out in the open.

The GOP has no primary campaign to distract them from full-time active ratfucking and poo-slinging. Their message will be to warn us of the Socialist Islamist-Atheist Hell that awaits America if we let the Dems back into power.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:21:29am

re: #51 Belafon

[Embedded content]

The choices had to narrow. The very fact that people of color ran in such large numbers speaks to the diversity of our party. And the group has decided that we must pick between Biden, Warren, Sanders, and Buttigieg. We know some of the reasons are electability, but eventually we were going to lose some of the people running.

The choices had to narrow. Yes.
And eventually down to one.
They didn’t narrow this way, and at this time (before anyone has voted) because they are white.

95
Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:24:57am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Yep. Just sucks that Harris and Booker never took off though. I’m really hoping the VP pick is someone from them or at least their path of pragmatic liberal idealism.

Imo Booker wasn’t differentiating.
How did he make himself more compelling as the only one who could be president than the rest?
If you don’t attract money, support and enthusiasm you won’t last.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:29:10am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Bernie cannot win against Trump. There are more people who want him as the nominee than want him as President.

Warren can. Which is why she has to be trashed at every opportunity, especially if it makes Bernie look (relatively) better.

My #38 above re this is what they’ll do to him. Heck they already are.

97
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:31:20am

oh…

98
Rightwingconspirator  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:33:35am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

[Embedded content]

There is the proof it’s human technology.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:36:47am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

[Embedded content]

How?
that they were taken in and obsessed over this nonsense for so long?
The money spent?
That they couldn’t differentiate between unidentified and unidentifiable?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:39:10am
101
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:40:11am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:40:44am

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

WHAT????? NO RUDY????????

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KGxvi  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:42:15am

re: #51 Belafon

[Embedded content]

The choices had to narrow. The very fact that people of color ran in such large numbers speaks to the diversity of our party. And the group has decided that we must pick between Biden, Warren, Sanders, and Buttigieg. We know some of the reasons are electability, but eventually we were going to lose some of the people running.

What’s disappointing isn’t that the field narrowed to four white candidates, it’s that two of them are fairly mediocre white dudes, one of them is a back bencher turned cult leader who apparently doesn’t understand that he’s a cult leader, and Warren.

For what it’s worth, I like Warren, she wasn’t my first choice (or even second or third, probably) when the campaigns started; but of the choices we have left, she’s definitely the best.

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Teukka  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:43:30am

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

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KGxvi  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:43:38am

re: #99 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

How?
that they were taken in and obsessed over this nonsense for so long?
The money spent?
That they couldn’t differentiate between unidentified and unidentifiable?

“Look, we just don’t want to hear more jokes about military intelligence being an oxymoron… or that we’re not as good as the propaganda suggests.”

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Teddy's Person  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:49:49am

re: #102 Joe Bacon 🌹

WHAT????? NO RUDY????????

He’s bee appointed the prime time howler monkey.

107
retired cynic  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:51:40am

I have found a place that really calls to me (and no, I’ve not been out of the country except for a day or so in Canada as a youngster): Watership Down, Atlas Obscura.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:51:41am

re: #102 Joe Bacon 🌹

WHAT????? NO RUDY????????

I’m sure the email where Trump recommended him was “accidentally” deleted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:51:48am
110
Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:54:23am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

Biden doesn’t have to suspend his campaign. He’s smart enough, though, to know that during the trial, the story should be about it, not him.

1. What about Warren, McCarthy?
2. What about Trump? Are you going to make him stop his campaigning?

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sagehen  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:56:23am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

[Embedded content]

There was a time when the stealth bomber was a “UFO”. Commercial pilots transitting the southwest routes (at 30,000 feet) got all kinds of grief for reporting a triangle-shaped super-fast thing that they saw very clearly (but the on-plane radar, and the ground radar, both said they were hallucinating).

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lawhawk  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:58:14am
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retired cynic  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:58:42am

Hillary Clinton Has Been Exonerated… Again
The question remains: will the media collude with conspiracy theorists to influence the 2020 election? by Nancy LeTourneau, Wash. Monthly

Goes into more than just the latest exoneration.

… Beyond getting the story wrong so many times, it is important for those who colluded to be held accountable because we are now witnessing the same group of people spread conspiracy theories about other Democrats. Peter Schweizer is the one who initiated the whole Biden/Burisma lie in his book, Secret Empires. Just in case Biden isn’t the Democratic nominee, he is about to publish a book this month titled, Profiles in Corruption, that will attempt to smear the rest of the 2020 presidential candidates.

Keep in mind that Schweizer is president of the Government Accountability Institute, which was founded by Steve Bannon and is funded by the Mercer family. He is also senior editor-at-large for Breitbart News. Jane Mayer summarizes what we learned about the Bannon-Schweizer method of collusion from Joshua Green’s book, Devil’s Bargain.

Bannon designed the [Government Accountability Institute] as a means of transmitting partisan dirt-digging to the mainstream media. He realized that, though mainstream reporters were suspicious of partisan opinion, they were open to damning facts about public figures, regardless of the sourcing. He set out, with Schweizer, to produce material that would generate mainstream coverage, and right-wing outrage.

While the Washington Post got the scoop on the fact that the Huber investigation produced nothing, neither the New York Times nor the Associated Press has produced their own story about Clinton’s exoneration (the NYT published an article by Reuters that was solely based on the Post article). That is especially troubling given that those outlets produced the most explosive stories that promoted the pay-for-play insinuations.

It is time for those mainstream media outlets to broadcast that Hillary Clinton has once again been exonerated of the false charges cooked up by her political opponents. Not only does she deserve to have her name cleared, we all need to know that the Bannon-Schweizer method of collusion isn’t going to influence the 2020 election the way it did in 2016.

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Teukka  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:59:12am

So this passed through my meme feeds.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 14, 2020 • 8:59:49am
116
sagehen  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:01:41am

re: #107 retired cynic

I have found a place that really calls to me (and no, I’ve not been out of the country except for a day or so in Canada as a youngster): Watership Down, Atlas Obscura.

[Embedded content]

that’s the place with the talking movie-star rabbits?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:04:20am

what could possibly go wrong?

118
Rightwingconspirator  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:05:26am

re: #112 lawhawk

I went to WaPo. Can’t find this. Maybe I just missed it in search?

;;;
Ugh. Search failed again.

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jeffreyw  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:05:48am
120
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:06:17am

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

Despite Election Security Fears, Iowa Caucuses Will Use New Smartphone App | Kate Payne, Miles Parks/NPR

I can imagine rooms of Russian hackers working furiously as we speak…

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retired cynic  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:07:38am

re: #116 sagehen

that’s the place with the talking movie-star rabbits?

Yes, in Hampshire. The photos just call for me to go live there! (Not happening!)

122
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:10:05am

re: #113 retired cynic

Hillary Clinton Has Been Exonerated… Again
The question remains: will the media collude with conspiracy theorists to influence the 2020 election? by Nancy LeTourneau, Wash. Monthly

Goes into more than just the latest exoneration.

The Screw York Times will NEVER issue a retraction for all the lies they spread about Hillary.

123
Teukka  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:10:40am
124
Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:12:23am
125
Hecuba's daughter  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:17:21am

re: #124 Belafon

[Embedded content]

Bloomberg would be making far better use of his resources if his ads attacked Trump and the GOP in general for trying to take away health care coverage from millions of Americans

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KGxvi  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:18:25am

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

what could possibly go wrong?

[Embedded content]

This seems like a pretty solid real world firewall/security feature:

The Iowa Democrats’ plan is for caucus leaders to compile the results from participants and submit them to the central party via their smartphone apps. In the past, the leaders might have called in the results over the phone.

Because caucusing is an in-person process, verified by witnesses, there is virtually no risk that a cyberattack on the app could change the results of the caucus and go undetected.

If the wrong results were reported because of a hack, there would be people from each precinct, and paper records, who could correct it.

It’s not like cases of disappearing/reappearing ballot boxes or voting machines with no hardcopy back up

127
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:18:27am
128
KGxvi  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:19:53am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

historically, acts of war tend to be poor deterrents.

129
lawhawk  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:20:19am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anticipatory self defense. It’s the same excuse given in runup for Iraq.

130
The Pie Overlord!  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:21:55am

Fuck you NYT.

131
Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:24:22am

re: #130 The Pie Overlord!

Fuck you NYT.

Progressive leaders fear that the story between Warren and Sanders could lead the NYT to write ridiculous stories instead of focusing on Trump.

132
sagehen  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:24:57am

re: #125 Hecuba’s daughter

Bloomberg would be making far better use of his resources if his ads attacked Trump and the GOP in general for trying to take away health care coverage from millions of Americans

like this?

It’s Time To Fix Health Care | Mike Bloomberg 2020

133
The Pie Overlord!  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:25:19am

Here is Hillary Clinton saying FUCK YOU to the NYT, although nicely.

134
Rightwingconspirator  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:25:26am

re: #129 lawhawk

Plain language reading tells me that is just about admitting a violation of the anti assassination law. AUMF or imminent threat is it for killing in cold blood

135
Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:27:01am

re: #132 sagehen

like this?

[Embedded content]

The Bloomberg one I saw this morning attacked Trump for trying to destroy healthcare and lying about trying to save it, and then said Bloomberg helped improve healthcare in NY. Even if you don’t like Bloomberg, you still came away with the attack on Trump.

136
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:28:19am

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

what could possibly go wrong?

[Embedded content]

We will know after Vlad and his boys produce Bernie as a landslide winner!

137
Citizen K  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:29:42am

re: #133 The Pie Overlord!

Here is Hillary Clinton saying FUCK YOU to the NYT, although nicely.

[Embedded content]

And because it’s Hillary Clinton saying it, the media will decide she’s the real threat and anything she says must be the most pernicious of myths in the history of ever.

138
Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:31:23am

re: #137 Citizen K

And because it’s Hillary Clinton saying it, the media will decide she’s the real threat and anything she says must be the most pernicious of myths in the history of ever.

I suspect the NYT will ignore it because otherwise it will draw attention back to their actions on this.

139
Rightwingconspirator  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:33:30am

re: #138 Belafon

Key problem. Those that bore false witness are not catching any heat for it at all.

140
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:34:10am

re: #133 The Pie Overlord!

Here is Hillary Clinton saying FUCK YOU to the NYT, although nicely.

[Embedded content]

The Berniebots are in full attack mode in her Twitter feed…

141
Patricia Kayden  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:39:42am
142
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:43:10am
143
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:46:58am

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed.

The problem is the Republicans are such wussy bitches they’ll fall in behind Trump without question, whereas Democrats are far more willing to allow all kinds of dissent and criticisms to be aired out in the open.

It’s one of the areas where the party constantly appears weak. I’m all for constructive criticisms and everyone having a voice, but there has to be a point where we need to set out differences aside in favor of a universally agreed upon goal (removal of Trump) and get the fuck to work.

I just wish that the Democrats had a proper “board mentality” - which is you *want* to discuss and debate all the options before making a decision. And then *everyone* backs the decision once it is made.

That’s different than the GOP lockstep thing. Which seems to be Supreme Leader rapping ring on desk, declaring the decision, and then expecting the lockstep vote in support. (Though a few may express “concerns” verbally before falling in line where it counts.)

144
danarchy  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:51:31am

re: #125 Hecuba’s daughter

Bloomberg would be making far better use of his resources if his ads attacked Trump and the GOP in general for trying to take away health care coverage from millions of Americans

You mean like this one I see it seems every time i turn on the TV?

ispot.tv

145
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:52:57am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Still lies and cover-ups. And basically admitting that they carried out the attack without following the requirements of even the AUMFs. Something else to add to the impeachment articles.

And the GOP Senators (and reps) I guess are happy with even more legislative branch powers being eroded away because they have to support the Supreme Anus.

146
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:54:16am

re: #130 The Pie Overlord!

Progressive leaders fear the sudden breach between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders could distract from their goal of working together to defeat the Democratic party’s moderate wing

“Democrats in Disarray” meets “Democrats veer Hard Left”

to RW talking points all rolled into one piece of shitty journalism

147
Belafon  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:55:20am

re: #143 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I just wish that the Democrats had a proper “board mentality” - which is you *want* to discuss and debate all the options before making a decision. And then *everyone* backs the decision once it is made.

That’s different than the GOP lockstep thing. Which seems to be Supreme Leader rapping ring on desk, declaring the decision, and then expecting the lockstep vote in support. (Though a few may express “concerns” verbally before falling in line where it counts.)

We don’t have a lot of data points, but I think we’re going to see a difference this year. Trump got elected in part because of complacency. Not only did a lot of people think Clinton would get elected, but people thought that a lot of things were resiliant enough that they wouldn’t be affected either way. That’s been proven wrong.

And Clinton won the popular vote. We do have to remember that Trump didn’t win due to being the more popular candidate.

148
retired cynic  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:55:30am

This article made me hopeful!

On Parenting
Exceptional girls WaPo
We asked these parents what it takes to raise confident, curious daughters. Here’s what they said.

149
Teddy's Person  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:56:49am

re: #147 Belafon

We do have to remember that Trump didn’t win due to being the more popular candidate.

That needs to be my mantra for the next 10 months. To keep me sane.

150
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 9:59:26am

re: #147 Belafon

We don’t have a lot of data points, but I think we’re going to see a difference this year. Trump got elected in part because of complacency. Not only did a lot of people think Clinton would get elected, but people thought that a lot of things were resiliant enough that they wouldn’t be affected either way. That’s been proven wrong.
.

Apathy and indifference turned out to be the best forms of voter suppression…

151
Hecuba's daughter  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:00:07am

re: #144 danarchy

You mean like this one I see it seems every time i turn on the TV?

ispot.tv

re: #132 sagehen

like this?

[Embedded content]
Video

He should attack the GOP in general too — it’s not just Trump, they are all trying to kill millions of Americans. The ads need to talk about the efforts to use the courts to kill the ACA. We need to tie this like a millstone around the necks of every single Republican in Washington AND the state-level Republicans who are joined in the lawsuit against the law.

152
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:01:36am

re: #151 Hecuba’s daughter

He should attack the GOP in general too — it’s not just Trump, they are all trying to kill millions of Americans. The ads need to talk about the efforts to use the courts to kill the ACA. We need to tie this like a millstone around the necks of every single Republican in Washington AND the state-level Republicans who are joined in the lawsuit against the law.

and to that millstone add the albatross of children who will never see their parents again because they died or were separated at the ´border.

153
jaunte  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:06:13am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

They killed Soleimani and sucked up to Kim Jong Un to let the world know that having nukes is the best defense.

154
retired cynic  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:10:35am
155
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:12:42am

re: #154 retired cynic

[Embedded content]

And it’s why his attempt to ask for a complete dismissal is absurd.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:14:00am

BTW guys. I’m changing my username. I’ll keep the old one in () so you know it’s me. You probably will be able to tell since I think my way of communicating is easy to tell.

157
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:15:59am

Here we go.

158
unproven innocence  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:22:25am

re: #156 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

BTW guys. I’m changing my username. I’ll keep the old one in () so you know it’s me. You probably will be able to tell since I think my way of communicating is easy to tell.

Welcome, hatchling. Ok, I’m way late on that. :)

159
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:24:35am

re: #158 unproven innocence

Welcome, hatchling. Ok, I’m way late on that. :)

Yeah some punk kid. You just missed him. He’s around though. New year, new decade- don’t care what the pedants say, and new approach to this weirdness.

160
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:37:16am

re: #115 Dave In Austin

It’s a golden calf, not a golden horse.

161
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 14, 2020 • 10:49:56am

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It’s a golden calf, not a golden horse.

I’m pretty sure he didn’t and if she did, you got the leftover acid from one of her husband’s Journey shows. The idea that Trump who doesn’t know Jesus Christ from Chris Christy is some pious servant of the almighty is insulting and I’m not even Christian.

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gocart mozart  Jan 14, 2020 • 12:05:14pm
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