Amazing Harpist Bridget Kibbey: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Jan. 8, 2019 | Tom Huizenga — After the ferociously talented harpist Bridget Kibbey unpacked her 47-stringed instrument at our NPR Music offices, she proceeded to crush the stereotype of the genteel harp, plucked by angels. She proved that the instrument can be as tempestuous as a tango, as complex as a Bach fugue and sing as serenely as a church choir.

Kibbey is crazy for the harp. She first heard one at a country church amid the Northwest Ohio cornfields where she grew up. Now she’s the go-to harpist for contemporary composers, some of whom who are writing pieces especially for her.

For this Tiny Desk set, she deploys her arresting technique to rework music both old and new. Her blistering arrangement of J.S. Bach’s familiar Toccata and Fugue in D minor offers tightly interwoven voices, like gears in a clock, with melodies and rhythms that sparkle. Her steamy rendition of jazz great Paquito D’Rivera’s Bandoneon, the Argentine tango, struts proudly. And, finally, she returns to Bach, to let the instrument sing variations on the aching chorale “O Sacred Head, Now Wounded,” from the St. Matthew Passion.

With an irrepressible musician like Bridget Kibbey, we’re going to have to start re-thinking the harp.

SET LIST
Bach (arr. Kibbey): “Toccata and Fugue in D minor, BWV 565”
Paquito D’Rivera (arr. Kibbey): “Bandoneon”
Bach (arr. Kibbey): “O Sacred Head, Now Wounded”

MUSICIANS
Bridget Kibbey: harp

CREDITS
Producers: Tom Huizenga, Maia Stern, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative director: Bob Boilen; Audio engineers: Josh Rogosin, Alex Drewenskus; Editor: Jack Corbett; Videographers: Maia Stern, Jack Corbett; Associate producer: Bobby Carter; Executive producer: Lauren Onkey; VP, programming: Anya Grundmann; Photo: Catie Dull/NPR

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:11:47pm
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BlueGrl21  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:20:57pm

Watching Rachel’s interview with Lev Parnas. The whole thing is being beautifully laid out. Parnas brought receipts. Fascinating and stomach-churning.

How the hell are we here?

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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:27:20pm

The Republican party was a crime syndicate long before Trump came along. Trump is mainly making things much more obvious than they used to be, and his masters are foreign rather than domestic.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:28:59pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:29:41pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:30:37pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:31:17pm

re: #2 BlueGrl21

Watching Rachel’s interview with Lev Parnas. The whole thing is being beautifully laid out. Parnas brought receipts. Fascinating and stomach-churning.

How the hell are we here?

Something something emails something something….

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:36:18pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:36:23pm

re: #7 Ace-o-aces

Something something emails something something….

Decades of diligent Clinton smearing by the NYT. Take a bow, assholes! Your contribution is “appreciated.”

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:38:08pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:40:48pm

I am behind because I had to pause the live interview. But Lev seems amazingly credible — certainly more so than Rudy or Trump, though that’s not saying much. He is very calm, composed, and fluent in English. But effective liars are often like that — they can look you in the face and say untruths so convincingly that they can persuade the most skeptical listener. It would be wonderful if he is also accurate in the story he is telling.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:44:29pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:46:46pm

I do want to hear Bolton testify under oath about what he called a “drug deal”.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:48:24pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:51:09pm

Hah! Parnas said that Hyde is unreliable, unstable, and drunk all the time and he never took his comments seriously. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the candidate.

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Weaselone  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:51:17pm

I’m also very suspicious of Parnas. Unless what he says is backed up by corroborating evidence, I have doubts about it’s validity. I don’t doubt that he’s telling the truth about some things, but rather that he’s using verifiable truths to lend validity to fabrications.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:53:49pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:54:06pm

re: #16 Weaselone

I’m also very suspicious of Parnas. Unless what he says is backed up by corroborating evidence, I have doubts about it’s validity. I don’t doubt that he’s telling the truth about some things, but rather that he’s using verifiable truths to lend validity to fabrications.

That’s the problem when criminals testify against other criminals, because that’s who they hang out with.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:54:29pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:54:50pm

Holy CENSORED. We are living The Irishman in real life!

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:55:43pm

Rachel on Nunes, now.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:57:32pm

Met Lev several times at Trump Hotel. Nunes used middleman to avoid ethics, Derek Harvey?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:57:37pm

re: #21 Dread Pirate

Rachel on Nunes, now.

is the cow a witness?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:58:04pm

re: #21 Dread Pirate

Rachel on Nunes, now.

All the people being sued by Nunes—time to countersue. If that’s a thing.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2020 • 6:59:02pm

re: #23 I Would Prefer Not To

is the cow a witness?

Yes, and has been ruminating on what she’s seen.

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Weaselone  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:00:18pm

re: #18 The Pie Overlord!

That’s the problem when criminals testify against other criminals, because that’s who they hang out with.

I’m not worried the guy is lying to get a cushy deal from prosecutors. I’m worried that he’s lying and submitted fake documents in order to discredit the prosecutors and the case when it becomes known.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:00:32pm

Fraud Guarantee!

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:01:59pm
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jaunte  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:02:57pm

That liar lied about me lying!

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b.d. (He's Impeached)  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:03:06pm

What an interview! The real squirming begins now, there will be a lot of folks not getting any sleep tonight wondering what he is going to say in tomorrow night’s installment.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:05:15pm

This is wild.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:06:24pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:07:02pm

re: #29 jaunte

That liar lied about me lying!

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A “sad situation” is this circular firing squad where each seems only armed with lies. Hopefully Parnas is telling some truths here.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:07:06pm

HIAS 1, Trump 0

Today, a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction in the lawsuit HIAS v. Trump, blocking an executive order that for the first time in the history of the U.S. refugee resettlement program gave state and local officials the power to veto resettlement in their jurisdictions. The judge ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, three faith-based resettlement agencies, HIAS, Church World Service (CWS), and Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service (LIRS), whose work and mission have been directly impacted and harmed by the order.

In his decision, Judge Messitte stated that the executive order is likely unlawful as it indeed “grants [states and localities] veto power” and that this “flies in the face of clear Congressional intent, as expressed in the legislative history of the statute.” In enjoining the order, he called for refugee resettlement to “go forward as it developed for the almost 40 years before Executive Order 13888 was announced.”

hias.org

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:09:21pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:10:01pm

re: #15 Hecuba’s daughter

Hah! Parnas said that Hyde is unreliable, unstable, and drunk all the time and he never took his comments seriously. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the candidate.

Sounds just like Trump - but substitute something rather than alcohol to provide the “drunk” part.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:11:20pm

So, Giuliani was paid $500,000 by Parnas,
which came from Dymitro Firtash, corrupt Ukrainian oligarch,
with ties to Russian Mafia.

Now Rudy doesn’t know him.

reuters.com

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:11:28pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:12:35pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:13:18pm
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jaunte  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:13:52pm

Parnas having a phone full of evidence will probably help corroborate the contemporaneous events.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:14:59pm
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makeitstop  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:15:16pm

re: #24 Barefoot Grin

All the people being sued by Nunes—time to countersue. If that’s a thing.

Didn’t he drop all the lawsuits? I thought I’d read that somewhere.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:15:23pm

Following this story is like doing massive amounts of cocaine. I’m chopping up the next line while I haven’t even finished this line.

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gocart mozart  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:15:29pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:15:30pm

re: #41 jaunte

Parnas having a phone full of evidence will probably help corroborate the contemporaneous events.

It never works for me.

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gocart mozart  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:20:18pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:22:38pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

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“Mommy, your cookies taste like lead, just like gramma’s!”

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gocart mozart  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:24:43pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:24:45pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:28:37pm

re: #32 jaunte

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:28:44pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:29:41pm
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jaunte  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:31:32pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:35:38pm

So, if what Parnas is saying is true, and it sounds legit, it stands to reason that Trump knew about everything in 2016.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:37:00pm

So I wonder how long it will take for the New York Times to apologize to Hillary for all the lies they made up about her?

Oh silly me. We know the Screw York Times is going to push the next book of Schweitzer lies!

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:43:13pm

re: #32 jaunte

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Epstein didn’t kill himself

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:43:23pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:46:18pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:48:48pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:53:25pm
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mmmirele  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:55:50pm

You might see a snippet of this in one of those brief “what the hell!” videos shown on TV. Basically, it’s two sumo rikishi doing their thing. Tochinoshin is 6’3” and 390 pounds. He’s in the purple mawashi. Enho is 5’6” and 218 pounds and in the burnt orange mawashi. Followers of sumo have eagerly awaited this matchup, because of the disparate weight and height differences.

You can skip to 1:45 for the actual match, but watching the whole thing, you get an idea of the kind of ritual posturing and salt-throwing that goes on at a sumo match. Tochinoshin is called a sky crane and he demonstrates it here. It’s still a good match, because Enho wasn’t immediately pushed out and Tochi had to work to get his preferred grip on Enho’s mawashi. But once that happened…

Tochinoshin Vs Enho Janury 2020 - Day 4

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gocart mozart  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:56:05pm
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bratwurst  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:59:03pm

In a world that wasn’t batshit insane, this Parnas interview would be the end for Trump and his friends.

Of course, if we were actually living in such a world Trump would have been toast a good half dozen times by now.

I am going to go under the assumption this will end up being little more than another blip on the radar. I hope I am wrong.

I’d also add that I am disappointed that Parnas doesn’t have a super thick accent, but I am not sure why.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 15, 2020 • 7:59:06pm

re: #52 Dread Pirate

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Yet

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stpaulbear  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:03:56pm

re: #58 The Pie Overlord!

Bradley P. Moss

How much of this are Republican Senators willing to take?

All of it, Katie.

I hope that Lindsey was near a fainting couch when he watched Maddow.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:04:21pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:05:03pm

It was a toasty 80 degrees here at the Conspiracy Compound today, 56 right now. I’m so old I remember when it actually got cold in the winter around here.
(I took flight training here in 1970. I remember it being MUCH colder then and official records bear that out. But it’s all a hoax.)

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stpaulbear  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:06:28pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We have all of two degrees in the Twin Cities right now. It’s going to be cold tomorrow.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:07:57pm

Republicans are all in for Trump because he’s packing the courts with every right wing radical he can get his hands on.

They will assure that Republicans can continue to rig elections.

Nothing will dislodge them from Trump…or Ivanka…

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:13:30pm

re: #56 Joe Bacon 🌹

So I wonder how long it will take for the New York Times to apologize to Hillary for all the lies they made up about her?

I will not be holding my breath.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:15:52pm

re: #56 Joe Bacon 🌹

So I wonder how long it will take for the New York Times to apologize to Hillary for all the lies they made up about her?

When they write her obituary.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:17:19pm

re: #73 The Pie Overlord!

When they write her obituary.

We know that won’t happen especially if Maureen Dowd writes that…

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:19:48pm

re: #5 Dread Pirate

For 3 1/2 years, the Orange Anus has insulted every single member of the media except…Rachel Maddow. Not even once. He’s terrified of her.

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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:21:35pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

For 3 1/2 years, the Orange Anus has insulted every single member of the media except…Rachel Maddow. Not even once. He’s terrified of her.

I bet he does tomorrow.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:21:36pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:25:13pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

For 3 1/2 years, the Orange Anus has insulted every single member of the media except…Rachel Maddow. Not even once. He’s terrified of her.

Interesting as hell. But will it be true tomorrow? Let’s see what tweets get shit out.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:25:52pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:30:11pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

For 3 1/2 years, the Orange Anus has insulted every single member of the media except…Rachel Maddow. Not even once. He’s terrified of her.

My personal theory is he’s not capable of watching her - if his attention span and intellect are so craptastic he can only follow briefings festooned with colorful pictures and his own name, how on earth could be begin to comprehend her monologues?

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:33:12pm
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stpaulbear  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:42:48pm

re: #78 Rightwingconspirator

Interesting as hell. But will it be true tomorrow? Let’s see what tweets get shit out.

n1uGbEzCwu2ktmh6Ob/XxYUp0EnW5rOAjyMdH6nHLZdhdWC9OhQt7TWJNujQ2KOjNK0780Cj8TMrG5YOyfso9Y8eIURdCga9kHWoqY4eJLDmywdZaw2ROpZYLZ4tR9ppwrAgcbmRWJXn84j1qLawLRiOVCRZOuNtpoRV4aksba0Gs7pyZiP/UqaUvpxHAIflO7EqGGVjjBz1GBk8r17aaodOR03SEwED

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:44:24pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It was a toasty 80 degrees here at the Conspiracy Compound today, 56 right now. I’m so old I remember when it actually got cold in the winter around here.
(I took flight training here in 1970. I remember it being MUCH colder then and official records bear that out. But it’s all a hoax.)

We set a record temp of 81 today in DFW.

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gocart mozart  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:48:30pm
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Belafon  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:49:05pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:49:44pm

Picked up these two Iraq War era Time Magazines at a Thrift store today. Should be interesting to look through. I’m sure there is plenty I have forgotten in the 17 years since.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:51:09pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

It’ll be interesting to see how the cover story on the left defined winning.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 15, 2020 • 8:57:07pm

The Amish Keep to Themselves. And They’re Hiding a Horrifying Secret

The memories come to her in fragments. The bed creaking late at night after one of her brothers snuck into her room and pulled her to the edge of her mattress. Her underwear shoved to the side as his body hovered over hers, one of his feet still on the floor.

Her ripped dresses, the clothespins that bent apart on her apron as another brother grabbed her at dusk by the hogpen after they finished feeding the pigs. Sometimes she’d pry herself free and sprint toward the house, but “they were bigger and stronger,” she says. They usually got what they wanted.

As a child, Sadie* was carefully shielded from outside influences, never allowed to watch TV or listen to pop music or get her learner’s permit. Instead, she attended a one-room Amish schoolhouse and rode a horse and buggy to church—a life designed to be humble and disciplined and godly.

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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:00:36pm

re: #88 Amory Blaine

OMG, I wish I could say that was shocking….

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mmmirele  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:02:36pm

re: #88 Amory Blaine

The Amish Keep to Themselves. And They’re Hiding a Horrifying Secret

It’s kind of amazing that this is reporting done by Cosmopolitan. Yeah, THAT Cosmopolitan. Nice to see—and yeah, the Amish reputation needs to be taken down a few pegs, particularly in the Evangelical community, where they’re the subject of uncritical romance novels.

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stpaulbear  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:07:56pm

re: #82 stpaulbear

comment 82 edited to make it private

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:08:15pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

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Picked up these two Iraq War era Time Magazines at a Thrift store today. Should be interesting to look through. I’m sure there is plenty I have forgotten in the 17 years since.

I still remember the war fever. I’m not going to knock anyone who supported the war here but I found the whole war fever ridiculous. But I admit I really didn’t like Bush because I was so disgusted by the 2000 election.

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gocart mozart  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:09:24pm

Meanwhile in Qatar

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:10:52pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:14:10pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:15:03pm

This seems like he is a bit more involved in things.

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stpaulbear  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:15:12pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I still remember the war fever. I’m not going to knock anyone who supported the war here but I found the whole war fever ridiculous. But I admit I really didn’t like Bush because I was so disgusted by the 2000 election.

I had a yard sign that said ‘Just Say No To War With Iraq”. It was vandalized the day the war started to say ‘Go’ instead of ‘No’. I was able to fix it with some spare house paint.

I just about bought a letter N from the hardware store to change the sign to ‘Iran’ last week. I was going to hang it from my porch just like I did with with the original sign.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:16:52pm

re: #95 gocart mozart

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Always the real victims.

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William Lewis  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:17:14pm

re: #88 Amory Blaine

Unfortunately I’ve heard these stories before. Lots and lots of abuse when the sun is kept away.

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Citizen K  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:18:05pm

re: #97 stpaulbear

I had a yard sign that said ‘Just Say No To War With Iraq”. It was vandalized the day the war started to say ‘Go’ instead of ‘No’. I was able to fix it with some spare house paint.

I just about bought a letter N from the hardware store to change the sign to ‘Iran’ last week. I was going to hang it from my porch just like I did with with the original sign.

One of my most calcifying moments of politics was being in New York for 9/11 and the year after,.

There were stickers everywhere for a while stating ‘Islam is NOT The Enemy’. And 90% of them ended up with the ‘NOT’ torn out.

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stpaulbear  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:18:21pm

re: #96 gocart mozart

This seems like he is a bit more involved in things.

The first rule of Ukraine Club is you do not talk about Ukraine Club…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:18:29pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I still remember the war fever. I’m not going to knock anyone who supported the war here but I found the whole war fever ridiculous. But I admit I really didn’t like Bush because I was so disgusted by the 2000 election.

My confession: Before the conflict, I had recently seen the movie “The Pianist” and, not based on the supposed WMD, but on the belief that citizens of dictatorships could not free themselves from tyranny, I initially supported the war (though not with enthusiasm) because Saddam was a monster, as were his sons and putative heirs. However, it soon became clear that we didn’t know how to win the peace. Maybe if Iraqi experts had been put in charge of administering the country, the mission could have succeeded. But the people placed in charge were totally incompetent and our efforts failed and led to the disaster that we are now facing throughout the region.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:19:23pm

re: #97 stpaulbear

I had a yard sign that said ‘Just Say No To War With Iraq”. It was vandalized the day the war started to say ‘Go’ instead of ‘No’. I was able to fix it with some spare house paint.

I just about bought a letter N from the hardware store to change the sign to ‘Iran’ last week. I was going to hang it from my porch just like I did with with the original sign.

It was a tough time. I remember classmates talking about nuking Iraq. I was definitely worried about the aftermath and here we are in 2020 where children who turned one the year of the invasion can be deployed there. It and Afghanistan really in that is my generation’s Vietnam but I concede we at least never had to worry about the draft.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:20:50pm

re: #102 Hecuba’s daughter

My confession: Before the conflict, I had recently seen the movie “The Pianist” and, not based on the supposed WMD, but on the belief that citizens of dictatorships could not free themselves from tyranny, I initially supported the war (though not with enthusiasm) because Saddam was a monster, as were his sons and putative heirs. However, it soon became clear that we didn’t know how to win the peace. Maybe if Iraqi experts had been put in charge of administering the country, the mission could have succeeded. But the people placed in charge were totally incompetent and our efforts failed and led to the disaster that we are now facing throughout the region.

No knock at all. Hussein was an awful guy and after 9/11 regime change sounded to many like a feasible decision. It’s the people who still don’t acknowledge the mistakes now that stink me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:21:09pm

re: #101 stpaulbear

The first rule of Ukraine Club is you do not talk about Ukraine Club…

But you also don’t need to make much effort to hide it, either.

//

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Citizen K  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:22:33pm

Man. It really is something that NBC is doing this while Rachel is letting Parnas’s testimony try and lance the boil on MSNBC….

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stpaulbear  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:25:32pm

re: #103 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It was a tough time. I remember classmates talking about nuking Iraq. I was definitely worried about the aftermath and here we are in 2020 where children who turned one the year of the invasion can be deployed there. It and Afghanistan really in that is my generation’s Vietnam but I concede we at least never had to worry about the draft.

I graduated from high school in 1972. It was still mandatory to get a draft card, but by then I didn’t had to seriously worry about the draft. I had a lottery number around 150.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:30:36pm

re: #107 stpaulbear

I graduated from high school in 1972. It was still mandatory to get a draft card, but by then I didn’t had to seriously worry about the draft. I had a lottery number around 150.

My Dad graduated in ‘70. Like you, he lucked out in that way. In some ways, Afghanistan is a lot like Vietnam but in other ways, an unique story in itself. I don’t remember anyone I knew who opposed going to Afghanistan in the immediate 9/11 aftermath.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:31:37pm

re: #106 Citizen K

Man. It really is something that NBC is doing this while Rachel is letting Parnas’s testimony try and lance the boil on MSNBC….

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And I could accuse Michael Flynn of having a sex slave dungeon in a pizza parlor basement in a pizza parlor with no basement.

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Citizen K  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:33:47pm

re: #109 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And I could accuse Michael Flynn of having a sex slave dungeon in a pizza parlor basement in a pizza parlor with no business.

But you see, again, it’s that same standard where anything a GOPer says must be treated as inherently credible and legitimate by default simply because Republicans are considered credible and legitimate by default. If a Dem said anything salacious or untoward about a Republican, they’re accused of smearing, ‘playing politics’, ‘identity politics’, etc. even if/when their accusations are borne out. Same as it always is, no matter what.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:37:27pm

re: #110 Citizen K

But you see, again, it’s that same standard where anything a GOPer says must be treated as inherently credible and legitimate by default simply because Republicans are considered credible and legitimate by default. If a Dem said anything salacious or untoward about a Republican, they’re accused of smearing, ‘playing politics’, ‘identity politics’, etc. even if/when their accusations are borne out. Same as it always is, no matter what.

I know. I’m just pointing out how absurd it is to give Bongino and Trump Jr’s kooky bullshit legitimacy. And here again is Trump Jr interfering in the investigations. He’s got a lot invested in his father’s presidency. But truthfully I’m furious how Yovanovitch has been treated. I look at a woman like her and I see women like my mother and her friends she met early in her government career. Hard working people who don’t serve an ideological goal but their county’s interests.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:40:20pm

re: #106 Citizen K

Man. It really is something that NBC is doing this while Rachel is letting Parnas’s testimony try and lance the boil on MSNBC….

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Remember: NBC gave us Trump through their Apprentice TV show that glorified him, followed by their failure to release tapes that would have discredited him (Yes — some people claim those tapes don’t exist — but I wouldn’t believe anything network executives claim).

If Lederman wanted to retain credibility, his tweet should have included the phrase “without any evidence whatsoever and repeating a discredited slur”. Why supposed journalists repeatedly quote any Trump — or member of this administration — without clarifying that such statement is totally uncorroborated is a mystery. It should discredit them, at least until they apologize and sin no more.

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sagehen  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:45:09pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

Remember: NBC gave us Trump through their Apprentice TV show that glorified him, followed by their failure to release tapes that would have discredited him (Yes — some people claim those tapes don’t exist — but I wouldn’t believe anything network executives claim).

and Matt Lauer doing the “commander in chief” interviews of both candidates (on the Intrepid)… where he answered the questions for Trump, and repeatedly interrupted Clinton and wouldn’t let her answer at all.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:46:48pm

re: #111 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

“The deepstate was monitoring important men, like (checks notes) Dan Bongino.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:49:51pm

re: #114 Amory Blaine

“The deepstate was monitoring important men, like (checks notes) Dan Bongino.”

Yeah seriously. These guys take themselves way too seriously.

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Citizen K  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:50:01pm

I just…god, I’m just exhausted. We seem to be zooming headlong into an exact redux of the shitshow and ratfuckery that sunk us in 2016, and the only thing that the guilty parties have learned is to double down. And shit that should put all the nails in Trump’s coffin seem like they’re already being dismissed and spun away both by the people who should be fucking reporting them and those who should ostensibly be our allies but instead want to finish torching the party for the great reckoning.

The only X-Factor in it all is the looming specter of the impeachment process. And even then we see the media’s willingness to get snowjobbed by the Susan Collins of the world.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 9:51:26pm
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piratedan  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:14:01pm

re: #117 Dread Pirate

well to be fair, how many times have the threats against State Department staff come from the administration that they are serving under? This is kind of a “unique” situation…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:15:47pm

Well, I just wonder what the Heinous Anus is gonna tweet at 4AM while he struggles on his Golden John…

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:16:30pm

re: #102 Hecuba’s daughter

My confession: Before the conflict, I had recently seen the movie “The Pianist” and, not based on the supposed WMD, but on the belief that citizens of dictatorships could not free themselves from tyranny, I initially supported the war (though not with enthusiasm) because Saddam was a monster, as were his sons and putative heirs. However, it soon became clear that we didn’t know how to win the peace. Maybe if Iraqi experts had been put in charge of administering the country, the mission could have succeeded. But the people placed in charge were totally incompetent and our efforts failed and led to the disaster that we are now facing throughout the region.

I looked at the Iraq War differently. I was in my late 40’s and had been in the military. It was quite clear that Iraq posed no danger to the US. Under Clinton, every time Iraq looked cross-eyed at us, we shut them down very quickly, usually with a couple of fighter bomber sorties. It was kind of hard on the targets, but that is the way of war.

When Bush 43 started beating the war drums, it was fairly clear, at least to me that the problem he was trying to solve was his re-election, not Saddam Hussein. Certainly, the amount of military we threw into Iraq for the 2nd War was minuscule, had Iraq been a real and urgent threat. And that minuscule effort was quite enough to destroy the Iraqi military and government.

It was even more obvious after we occupied Iraq and the Bush 43 administration put up their “Mission Accomplished” banners and moved on. It was clear that Bush 43 had solved his problem when he got re-elected. At that point, Iraq was no longer a problem as far as he was concerned.

I know a little bit about successful American Occupations because my father was one of the American officers responsible for reconstituting Germany after World War 2. And he often talked about what worked and what didn’t. And why.

And the success of Western Europe was critical to us due to the Cold War.

In all my reading about the Iraq Occupation, I never saw any of that introspection, or interest by the Bush 43 Administration. And, quite frankly, still don’t.

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:17:43pm

re: #119 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, I just wonder what the Heinous Anus is gonna tweet at 4AM while he struggles on his Golden John…

So you’re saying that he won’t be “Flush with Success”?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:23:29pm

re: #121 ckkatz

So you’re saying that he won’t be “Flush with Success”?

You flush Sixteen Times and what do you get?

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:32:42pm

I brought this over from the earlier thread because I agree that it is very important.

Back in the 1970’s my mother compiled a family history of her side. She passed away 25 years ago, and I still get requests for it. Sadly, it desperately needs updating. So I guess that I am guilty of this as well.

Often the stories of family members are forgotten as time rolls on. Additionally, many families have stories that illustrate family values.

Herodotus noted that the line between memory and myth is when the last person who knew someone, and could give testimony for them, passes away themselves. The Classical Age Greeks worried about who would remember them and protect their name when they died and could no longer protect it themselves.

There are lines from a song about a World War 1 gravestone that poignantly make this point:

And did you leave a wife or a sweetheart behind,
In some loyal heart is your memory enshrined,
And though you died back in 1916,
To that loyal heart you’re forever nineteen.
Or are you a stranger without even a name,
Forever enshrined behind some old glass pane,
In an old photograph torn, tattered, and stained,
And faded to yellow in a brown leather frame.

re: #353 CleverToad

I’ve been thinking a lot about you, HW-that-was, in this season of unwelcome changes for you. About your love of family, for your grandmother and your niece, your fascination with family history and the stories of the past. You are a link — perhaps one of the things you might do is to make a record of your place in the chain. Write down the stories your elders told you: the story itself as you remember hearing it; your memories of hearing the story told, your memories of the person telling it. Doesn’t have to be polished or perfect, just get it on record, be it paper or pixels. You can go back and add notes about things you learn from other family members or in your research that add context to the events. Get it all down somewhere — others in the family might know the stories, but no one else has your memories or feelings about it. If you are comfortable recording yourself, you could do some of it that way; maybe get your parents to sit down and tell their stories with a videocamera running while they’re still here to ask.

Then tell the stories to your niece and others of her generation. She can go back and look at the written record later too, but she’ll have the memory of hearing it from you to strengthen the link.

You can keep adding over the years, but preserve what you know now because memory fades. That’s what I’m dealing with now, trying to remember things my mother told me, my grandmother told me. Wishing I’d made a lot of notes over these last four years while I was home with her, because she talked a lot about the past and I’m struggling to remember the details. All of us kids are in our 60’s now and senioritis is setting in. We have some cassette tape recordings of our grandmother talking that I need to get digitized, just hoping the tape will still play. We have several videos of my mom talking that we need to pull together and pass out copies. Hoping to get things to where her grandkids can go back and look at things in the future.

Family matters so much to you. Hope that — along with baseball and lit and music and travel — helps you along in this tough stretch of the trail.

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:34:18pm

re: #122 Joe Bacon 🌹

You flush Sixteen Times and what do you get?

Ruh-Roh, my mind keeps wanting to go to the word ‘tons’. And then stops and doesn’t want to go any further.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:35:20pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

Remember: NBC gave us Trump through their Apprentice TV show that glorified him, followed by their failure to release tapes that would have discredited him (Yes — some people claim those tapes don’t exist — but I wouldn’t believe anything network executives claim).

Personally, I’d imagine those tapes were destroyed long ago.

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uriel  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:41:55pm

I have finally accomplished everything I wanted on the twitter machine:

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:44:55pm

It’s too quiet. Time to bring out the ‘Dad’ Jokes…

- If you see a robbery at an Apple Store does that make you an iWitness?

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:45:38pm

- Back in the Old West, there was the three legged dog who went from saloon to saloon, looking for the man who shot his paw.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:50:07pm

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:57:51pm

re: #129 Joe Bacon 🌹

Remember, the Frodis is friendly

The Monkees- Mijacogeo - The Frodis Caper Clip

The Monkees- Mijacogeo - The Frodis Caper Clip

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 15, 2020 • 10:57:54pm

re: #120 ckkatz

I looked at the Iraq War differently. I was in my late 40’s and had been in the military. It was quite clear that Iraq posed no danger to the US. Under Clinton, every time Iraq looked cross-eyed at us, we shut them down very quickly, usually with a couple of fighter bomber sorties. It was kind of hard on the targets, but that is the way of war.

When Bush 43 started beating the war drums, it was fairly clear, at least to me that the problem he was trying to solve was his re-election, not Saddam Hussein. Certainly, the amount of military we threw into Iraq for the 2nd War was minuscule, had Iraq been a real and urgent threat. And that minuscule effort was quite enough to destroy the Iraqi military and government.

It was even more obvious after we occupied Iraq and the Bush 43 administration put up their “Mission Accomplished” banners and moved on. It was clear that Bush 43 had solved his problem when he got re-elected. At that point, Iraq was no longer a problem as far as he was concerned.

I know a little bit about successful American Occupations because my father was one of the American officers responsible for reconstituting Germany after World War 2. And he often talked about what worked and what didn’t. And why.

And the success of Western Europe was critical to us due to the Cold War.

In all my reading about the Iraq Occupation, I never saw any of that introspection, or interest by the Bush 43 Administration. And, quite frankly, still don’t.

The Bush administration made absurd claims about the cost of the war. I should have realized then that there was no way we would be making the financial commitment needed to assist the Iraqis in developing an independent government that would manage to unite their nation under some form of democratic rule. It’s like the end of “Charlie Wilson’s War” : after we helped dislodge the Russians from Afghanistan, we failed to make the investments needed to restore stability to the region.

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CleverToad  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:08:46pm

re: #123 ckkatz

I brought this over from the earlier thread because I agree that it is very important.

Back in the 1970’s my mother compiled a family history of her side. She passed away 25 years ago, and I still get requests for it. Sadly, it desperately needs updating. So I guess that I am guilty of this as well.

Often the stories of family members are forgotten as time rolls on. Additionally, many families have stories that illustrate family values.

Herodotus noted that the line between memory and myth is when the last person who knew someone, and could give testimony for them, passes away themselves. The Classical Age Greeks worried about who would remember them and protect their name when they died and could no longer protect it themselves.

It’s cool you have that record from your mom. As you say, family stories are worth remembering, links in the chain. We have a notebook that my mother’s brother put together in the 50’s, tracing some of the history on that side — my sister put a copy up on her genealogy website. He was working off what the previous generation told him; my sister has found records to corroborate some of the stories and correct a few details. It’s fascinating to go back and read it.

I like that quote from Herodotus. We’re watching World War II fade out of living memory; the Civil Rights era will follow. Woodstock will too, not so far in the future. But at least we have film and records of the last century and a quarter, firsthand testimony as long as it can be preserved.
On the family level, that takes at least on person in every generation who takes the time and finds the tools. I’m very grateful to my sister for being the one in our lot!
(As it happens, she left my house this morning with about 30 slide carousels worth of pictures our mom took, to be digitized. Hoo boy, am I grateful…)

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:09:18pm

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

The Bush administration made absurd claims about the cost of the war. I should have realized then that there was no way we would be making the financial commitment needed to assist the Iraqis in developing an independent government that would manage to unite their nation under some form of democratic rule. It’s like the end of “Charlie Wilson’s War” : after we helped dislodge the Russians from Afghanistan, we failed to make the investments needed to restore stability to the region.

This is very true. The Bush Administration was absolutely not interested in commiting the resources to actually solve the issues that Iraq was facing, due to our destruction of their government, due to the war, or due to Saddam Hussein’s misrule.

Additionally, we did not try and solve the problems from the context, culture, viewpoint or history of the Iraqis. The few efforts we made were either to impose some sort of US Conservative utopian daydream, or just to throw cash at them to get them to shut up. When those failed, we resorted to killing thousands of Iraqis. And losing thousands of Americans.

Further, the Iraqi power bases that actually knew how to solve the problems were specifically excluded from participating.

And yes, you are correct that we failed in a similar way in Afghanistan. While the instability there was not completely, or mostly our fault, we certainly did not help with much success.

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:18:39pm

re: #132 CleverToad

It sounds like your sister is doing a wonderful thing for your family. And that you are helping her as much as you can.

I am glad to hear that she is digitizing the slides before they start to deteriorate from age. I hope that she is adding some context to each picture. So many photos end up with the subjects and context forgotten. That-

“…stranger without even a name,
Forever enshrined behind some old glass pane,
In an old photograph torn, tattered, and stained,
And faded to yellow in a brown leather frame.”

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:20:18pm

re: #129 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why does that remind me of ‘Nosmo King’?

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:25:05pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:26:04pm

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s like the end of “Charlie Wilson’s War” : after we helped dislodge the Russians from Afghanistan, we failed to make the investments needed to restore stability to the region.

If you recall the end of that film, where Wilson is standing on the balcony with Gust Avrakotos during a party celebrating the defeat of the Soviet army in Afghanistan, Gust warns Charlie about the potential for blowback if he and Congressmen don’t follow up on giving economic aid to the Afghanis; Gust worries about “the crazies” rolling into Kandahar - a reference to the Taliban. As Gust finishes his warning, you can clearly hear an airliner flying over Washington, D.C., an implied reference to the 9/11 attacks.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:30:25pm
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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:34:22pm

re: #138 Dread Pirate

I really don’t believe anything KAC says.

Truth be told, I really do not understand why the pundit shows waste their time on her. Certainly, I will not.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:35:33pm

re: #139 ckkatz

I really don’t believe anything KAC says.

Truth be told, I really do not understand why the pundit shows waste their time on her. Certainly, I will not.

I don’t know why they talk to any republican, they all lie.

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ckkatz  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:36:29pm

Well, time to head to bed. Sweet lizard dreams to all!

And..

Can’t resist one last ‘Dad’ joke:

To call the whole Elon Musk controversy “Elon-Gate” seems like a bit of a stretch.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:41:50pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:49:00pm
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CleverToad  Jan 15, 2020 • 11:52:40pm

re: #134 ckkatz

It sounds like your sister is doing a wonderful thing for your family. And that you are helping her as much as you can.

I am glad to hear that she is digitizing the slides before they start to deteriorate from age. I hope that she is adding some context to each picture. So many photos end up with the subjects and context forgotten. That-

“…stranger without even a name,
Forever enshrined behind some old glass pane,
In an old photograph torn, tattered, and stained,
And faded to yellow in a brown leather frame.”

Yep. In my mom’s case, it’s the numerous pics of ‘God’s Own Country’ because only she and He remember where in the Colorado mountains she took ‘em. But I don’t mind unknown scenery as much as unidentifiable people in the old snapshots. We’ll be doing our best.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:48:11am

Meanwhile, here in Czech Republic:

The EPP Group plans to initiate a new anti-oligarch law to assure a fairer distribution of EU money, and criticises the double role of Czech Prime Minister Andrej Babiš who negotiates the multiannual EU budget on behalf of his country and at the same time, is one of the biggest beneficiaries of EU funds in the Czech Republic.

“The combination of enormous economic and political power on one hand is against EU financial rules. A Prime Minister cannot decide on the amounts of EU funding in Brussels and on how this money is distributed in his country while at the same time being the beneficial owner of a big company that is receiving it.

“It is time to define clear guidelines on how to deal with conflicts of interest of high profile politicians”, said Monika Hohlmeier MEP, Chairwoman of the Budgetary Control Committee, on the occasion of a plenary debate on the case of Andrej Babiš’ conflict of interest.

eutoday.net

This unfolding case is certainly interesting to watch. Czech PM Babiš is the owner of Agrofert, which is damn near a monopoly when it comes to agricultural production here. The problem is that apparently, he never properly divested his holdings in Agrofert. Now, he claims he’s fully divested, yet at the same time, his wife is the owner of the trust fund that’s currently holding Agrofert….and the EU Commission has already stated publicly that this is nothing more than a legal fiction, and they’ve put Babiš on notice that he has pretty much only three options: Put Agrofert in a genuine blind trust, sell Agrofert outright, or quit politics because of an obvious conflict of interest.

Of course, Babiš is out there screaming that it’s all a conspiracy against him.

Meanwhile, a blacklist of 206 companies, the vast bulk of which are Agrofert and subsidiary companies, was released today by Czech Radio - which will no doubt enrage Babiš even further, as he maintains that “all is well”. The blacklist is used as a tool so government ministers know who not to grant subsidies to. Add to that, it’s been reported that Agrofert is deeply in debt and their business model (such as it were) is heavily reliant on both Czech and EU subsidies….and that without those subsidies, the whole corporation could well end up collapsing, which means Babiš is gonna have to make a rather stark choice fairly soon: Either stay on as PM and watch helplessly as his company implodes, or resign as PM and go back to the private sector to save his company.

Here’s the ČR article, though it’s in Czech - you can run it through a translation program.

irozhlas.cz

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:05:31am

That’s cold.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:07:47am

re: #145 Dr Lizardo

I’d add that there’s whispers floating around that the EU Commission may end up putting Agrofert on a to-be-created EU-wide blacklist of companies that would be prohibited from getting subsidies - or from getting loans from financial institutions in the European Union, which means Babiš would have to turn to non-EU banks for money; it’s already believed that he’s started turning to Chinese banks to prop up Agrofert.

Looks like 2020 is shaping up to be a rotten year for Andrej Babiš. His luck seems to be running out. His party (ANO) is running high in the polls, mostly supported by pensioners at this point, as he’s been lavishly splurging on them, despite the fact that white papers from the Czech government clearly indicate that pensions aren’t sustainable beyond 2030 and that if urgent pension reforms aren’t undertaken soon, the whole pension system could collapse.

Babiš’ approach to government could perhaps be best summed up as, “Après nous, le déluge”.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:17:50am
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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:15:10am

Sputnik calls Bolton a snitch.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:16:14am

Just owl, Nellie, and me this morning. Balmy 70’ in the Texas Hill County. Waiting on showers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:28:53am

re: #16 Weaselone

I’m also very suspicious of Parnas. Unless what he says is backed up by corroborating evidence, I have doubts about it’s validity. I don’t doubt that he’s telling the truth about some things, but rather that he’s using verifiable truths to lend validity to fabrications.

Sort of like those letters that “proved” Bush did not attend his Air National Guard…true in substance but actually forgeries.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:33:50am

This thread……..
Been there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:34:00am

re: #57 Eventual Carrion

Epstein didn’t kill himself

Everybody knows that the Clintons had him killed because he was supplying their subterranean pizza parlor with fresh meat…

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:34:45am

re: #2 BlueGrl21

Watching Rachel’s interview with Lev Parnas. The whole thing is being beautifully laid out. Parnas brought receipts. Fascinating and stomach-churning.

How the hell are we here?

Yet Senator Collins shrugs off this new information by claiming that Democrats should have brought this up during the impeachment hearings. Arghhhh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:46:46am

re: #154 Patricia Kayden

Yet Senator Collins shrugs off this new information by claiming that Democrats should have brought this up during the impeachment hearings. Arghhhh.

because they cannot attack the substance, they can only speak out against the process.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:56:47am

re: #152 Dave In Austin

I have a situation.

The woman behind me on a 6 hour flight has not STFU for 5 seconds.

Said she’s “happy“‘15 times. Likes cosmos, beach body doesn’t work, likes cranberry light, NOT diet and it’s only 5 calories. She’s going to have wine tonight though and she can’t wait…

These are the people whose aspiration in life is to be Basic.

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Weaselone  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:37:52am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sort of like those letters that “proved” Bush did not attend his Air National Guard…true in substance but actually forgeries.

Pretty much. I’d chalk it up to paranoia, but given the whole Russia scandal has already involved Russia hacking and selectively editing emails and laundering them through other parties to the press it doesn’t seem far fetched.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:41:44am

re: #157 Weaselone

Pretty much. I’d chalk it up to paranoia, but given the whole Russia scandal has already involved Russia hacking and selectively editing emails and laundering them through other parties to the press it doesn’t seem far fetched.

Again, you disseminate something that is partially true, enough to pass the initial smell test, but is later proven to be a fraud or forgery, therefore taking the wind out of your opponent’s sails.

Right out of the Karl Rove playbook.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:27:24am

.@maddow
: “Do you know if Rudy Giuliani was ever in contact with Mr. Barr, specifically about the fact that he was trying to get Ukraine to announce the investigation into Joe Biden?”
Parnas: “Absolutely.”
“Mr. Barr knew about it?
“Mr. Barr had to have known everything.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:29:48am

So the draw lottery jackpots are slowly climbing again. PB is above parity (for face value of the annuity, but not for cash value.)

“Slow” is the operative word. Lottery sales of draw games are way down from what they were a couple of years ago.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:36:50am
One fact being lost in the conversation about the trunk-load of documents Parnas provided is that the Department of Justice has had the documents for three months as part of the Parnas indictment. At no time did Barr or any of his prosecutors indicate that the documents revealed evidence of an international conspiracy.”

“Former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance said…….”We need to have a special counsel because it’s clear that Bill Barr can’t conduct a criminal investigation about a matter that he is perhaps involved in, certainly would be a witness in. Impeachment is only about the president. There are criminal charges here. Only a special counsel can get to the bottom of that.” ……

Rawstory

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:39:21am

re: #161 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

That the GOP in the Senate are so trying to avoid this is quite damning of the current state of the GOP.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:39:31am

re: #95 gocart mozart

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I’m sure they have all kinds of proof that she was “monitoring” them, other than their say so.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:42:47am

Telling:

Monty Don: ‘In America, gardening isn’t part of the culture. Why do something yourself when you can pay someone else to do it?’

The article isn’t so damning.

But I go back to the story of HGTV, and how the “G” part is ignored… because their TV viewers would rather watch 60 minute long advertisements (for Wayfair, Lumber Liquidators, etc.) than objective or artistic views of inhabiting the landscape.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:51:33am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:54:00am

Trump says he doesn’t know Parnas. But didn’t Parnas work for Fred Trump selling apartments?

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:00:13am

re: #165 Patricia Kayden

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:08:39am

re: #167 Targetpractice

Speaker Pelosi should have worn one of Trump’s too long red ties for the occasion.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:18:29am

re: #165 Patricia Kayden

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Says a guy who is nothing but a suck up for the President who whines about his domestic problems to Putin.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:27:46am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:35:41am

re: #2 BlueGrl21

Watching Rachel’s interview with Lev Parnas. The whole thing is being beautifully laid out. Parnas brought receipts. Fascinating and stomach-churning.

How the hell are we here?

Wisconsin Pennsylvania Michigan

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jeffreyw  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:35:54am

G

Good morning!

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:36:36am

re: #172 jeffreyw

G

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Good morning!

Mine, mine, all mine!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:54:39am

Rick Wilson on Morning Joe

EgoFest2020

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:58:01am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Parnas has implicated pretty much everyone from Trump on down, and yet we’ve got Trumpists like Graham and GOPers like Collins acting as though there’s not evidence to not only remove Trump but to indict him on a shit-ton of felonies (not to mention that he’s already an unindicted coconspirator in Cohen’s felonies).

Trump should be removed from office, but the GOP and Trumpists (I repeat myself) keep deflecting and projecting like IMAX. They want Ukraine to investigate.

Well, guess what - Ukraine is. They’re launching an investigation into Trump’s cronies Parnas and Rudy stalking Ambassador Yovanovitch with intent to do her harm to get her out of the way so that their other criminal acts to bribe/extort Zelinsky could go ahead to announce that Ukraine is investigating the Bidens.

Trumpworld is a nesting doll of crimes.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:01:03am

re: #154 Patricia Kayden

Yet Senator Collins shrugs off this new information by claiming that Democrats should have brought this up during the impeachment hearings. Arghhhh.

It was all in doj custody

Ps it’s a morning like feel like I have to upding every single damn comment in this thread
..so I did

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:02:41am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These are the people whose aspiration in life is to be Basic.

It’s an airplane. Not your private limo
There’s gonna be other people on it

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A Mom Anon  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:04:08am

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:04:40am

re: #162 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

That the GOP in the Senate are so trying to avoid this is quite damning of the current state of the GOP.

They are complicit in the cover up

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:05:31am

re: #178 A Mom Anon

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:06:07am

re: #164 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Telling:

Monty Don: ‘In America, gardening isn’t part of the culture. Why do something yourself when you can pay someone else to do it?’

The article isn’t so damning.

But I go back to the story of HGTV, and how the “G” part is ignored… because their TV viewers would rather watch 60 minute long advertisements (for Wayfair, Lumber Liquidators, etc.) than objective or artistic views of inhabiting the landscape.

That’s why we’re building a pond (ourselves) instead of remodeling the house

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A Mom Anon  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:10:11am

re: #179 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

It’s party wide, from the smallest elected office in the smallest town to DC. It’s all about being angry and destroying liberals mooohahahaha. They know and do not care how much they fuck shit up.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:12:58am

re: #178 A Mom Anon

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makeitstop  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:19:15am
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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:19:53am
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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:22:35am

A Wisconsin appeals court has stopped the voter purge ordered by Judge Malloy: m.dailykos.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:34:47am

re: #177 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

It’s an airplane. Not your private limo
There’s gonna be other people on it

She is proud and happy to know that the whole world can listen in on her opinions, views and feelings. She and her ilk make up 90% of Facebook…

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A Mom Anon  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:38:48am

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Hugs 🤗 back to you on your family’s recent loss. I hope you’re hanging in there and doing well. Loss of loved ones is the worst thing. My husband, while not super close to his brother has cried like a little kid, it’s hitting him hard.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:40:08am

re: #186 Belafon

A Wisconsin appeals court has stopped the voter purge ordered by Judge Malloy: m.dailykos.com

So this is probably going to go to the state Supreme Court them.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:41:03am

re: #177 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

It’s an airplane. Not your private limo
There’s gonna be other people on it

about 9 years ago, I was flying back from Chicago. The woman in front of me had one of the seats at the front of economy seating, the ones with all the leg room. She put her seat all the way back, and bitched when I asked her to put it up since she wasn’t sleeping. She was drunk, talked loud, made a call from her cell phone while we were in flight, and bounced around in her seat.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:41:23am

re: #186 Belafon

The Missouri Supreme Court invalidated an onerous Voter ID provision.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:41:25am

He’s so nauseating.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:45:04am

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s also lying his ass off since the tariffs are still in place and we’re paying for them.

A promise to buy farm goods isn’t going to actually result in those purchases since China already agreed to buy from elsewhere over the next two years, so there’s no chance they’ll suddenly have the appetite to buy billions from the US.

It’s a vaporware deal full of promises that don’t amount to anything other than a ceasefire on new tariffs being imposed. The ones Trump already imposed remain in place.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:55:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:56:32am

re: #190 Belafon

about 9 years ago, I was flying back from Chicago. The woman in front of me had one of the seats at the front of economy seating, the ones with all the leg room. She put her seat all the way back, and bitched when I asked her to put it up since she wasn’t sleeping. She was drunk, talked loud, made a call from her cell phone while we were in flight, and bounced around in her seat.

I flew back home from Germany for Christmas of 1990, just as the first Gulf War was ramping up, and since so many GIs were being deployed downrange, their Army wives and kids all decided to fly back home for Christmas. Imagine ten hours surrounded by overweight moms and screaming babies/ kids…

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ericblair  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:58:39am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, you disseminate something that is partially true, enough to pass the initial smell test, but is later proven to be a fraud or forgery, therefore taking the wind out of your opponent’s sails.

Right out of the Karl Rove playbook.

If only there was some sort of legal process ongoing regarding this matter, where such witnesses could testify under oath and be cross-examined by experts. However, the Republicans have told us this is not the case. Pity.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:01:24am

re: #178 A Mom Anon

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:01:34am

re: #196 ericblair

If only there was some sort of legal process ongoing regarding this matter, where such witnesses could testify under oath and be cross-examined by experts. However, the Republicans have told us this is not the case. Pity.

Really, you would think that the Founding Fathers might have foreseen such a thing…

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:07:25am

re: #178 A Mom Anon

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:08:03am
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sagehen  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:08:04am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She is proud and happy to know that the whole world can listen in on her opinions, views and feelings. She and her ilk make up 90% of Facebook…

either that, or somebody misjudged her Prozac dosage.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:08:29am

re: #165 Patricia Kayden

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Oh Thank Cthulhu Nancy didn’t wear a tan suit!

Doofy would have had a complete meltdown!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:08:31am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Really, you would think that the Founding Fathers might have foreseen such a thing…

To be fair, the Founders could never imagined someone as dumb and ignorant as Trump being elected.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:09:15am

“OMB’s assertions have no basis in law.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:09:43am

re: #2 BlueGrl21

Watching Rachel’s interview with Lev Parnas. The whole thing is being beautifully laid out. Parnas brought receipts. Fascinating and stomach-churning.

How the hell are we here?

Ask Nincompoop Turner who urged Berniebots to vote for Jill Stein in 2016!

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:11:13am

“The burden to justify a withholding of budget authority rests with the executive branch.
Here, OMB has failed to meet this burden.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:11:28am

re: #178 A Mom Anon

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:11:47am
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:15:25am

Because Republicans need special laws to restrain their venality.

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sagehen  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:16:17am

re: #194 lawhawk

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is it too late to include this set of documents in the impeachment evidence?

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Teukka  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:18:31am

So this passed through meme feeds. Most of us can sympathize, I believe.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:18:36am

re: #208 jaunte

“Trump never said he would ‘faithfully’ execute the laws.” - Some GOP legislator, soon

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:20:25am

re: #207 Joe Bacon 🌹

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:22:07am

re: #212 Belafon

So far their reaction has been to cancel press briefings, hide in elevators, and keep lying.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:25:17am

Monumental bullshit.

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plansbandc  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:27:30am

re: #178 A Mom Anon

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:29:20am
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CleverToad  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:29:28am

re: #178 A Mom Anon

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:31:42am

DHS continues to lie about everything. A rare attack involving an undocumented person is elevated to next level crime. In NYC, which continues to experience the lowest crime rates in decades.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:32:21am

Whoa GAO huh?

6 min ago
Trump administration disagrees with assessment that it broke the law with aid freeze
From CNN’s Sara Murray

The United States Office of Management and Budget just issued a statement disagreeing with the Government Accountability Office’s announcement that it broke the law when it withheld US security aid to Ukraine. cnn.com

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stpaulbear  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:33:34am

re: #123 ckkatz

I brought this over from the earlier thread because I agree that it is very important.

Back in the 1970’s my mother compiled a family history of her side. She passed away 25 years ago, and I still get requests for it. Sadly, it desperately needs updating. So I guess that I am guilty of this as well.

Often the stories of family members are forgotten as time rolls on. Additionally, many families have stories that illustrate family values.

Herodotus noted that the line between memory and myth is when the last person who knew someone, and could give testimony for them, passes away themselves. The Classical Age Greeks worried about who would remember them and protect their name when they died and could no longer protect it themselves.

There are lines from a song about a World War 1 gravestone that poignantly make this point:

And did you leave a wife or a sweetheart behind,
In some loyal heart is your memory enshrined,
And though you died back in 1916,
To that loyal heart you’re forever nineteen.
Or are you a stranger without even a name,
Forever enshrined behind some old glass pane,
In an old photograph torn, tattered, and stained,
And faded to yellow in a brown leather frame.

The Kinks-Some Mother’s Son.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:34:10am

re: #152 Dave In Austin

This thread……..
Been there.

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One word: headset.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:36:10am

re: #203 Eclectic Cyborg

To be fair, the Founders could never imagined someone as dumb and ignorant as Trump being elected.

Nor could they imagine a political party so base and corrupt as to let him get away with what he did…

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:38:33am

re: #220 Rightwingconspirator

OMB, headed by Mulvaney, who is eyeballs deep in the crime, is claiming that GAO is wrong?

Yeah, that just means GAO hasn’t been corrupted by Trumpworld to the extent that OMB and State and DOJ have been.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:39:11am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nor could they imagine a political party so base and corrupt as to let him get away with what he did…

They didn’t have the conception of a formal political party. That didn’t come until much later.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:39:54am

re: #224 lawhawk

Yeah… My hope that reluctance to cross Trump in the agencies was cracking was too optimistic.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:41:54am

On top of everything else, Trump’s crony Hyde is an anti Semitic conspiracy nut too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:42:57am

re: #227 lawhawk

On top of everything else, Trump’s crony Hyde is an anti Semitic conspiracy nut too.

And I’m sure Trump was fine with him since Hyde was 100% loyal to him.

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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:45:03am

Morning all!
Just to follow up on yesterday’s computer trauma: thanks to the Lizards who suggested I just let it be for a while. When I went to bed last night, I checked the laptop, and mirabile dictu, it had actually booted up “normally” (i.e. glacially slow, but more-or-less functional). So back to Square One: but there are worse places to be.

re: #200 jaunte

WTF? Actual oversight?? I’m surprised the Trump regime hasn’t gutted the GAO like it has so many other agencies: and/or appointed someone like Robert Hyde as “acting” head….

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makeitstop  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:51:02am

Senate is feeling the pressure, I think…

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:52:15am

re: #174 Dave In Austin

Rick Wilson on Morning Joe

EgoFest2020

Sell them books!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:55:29am

re: #212 Belafon

“Trump never said he would ‘faithfully’ execute the laws.” - Some GOP legislator, soon

Well, “execute” has different meanings, so….

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:58:07am

re: #232 Barefoot Grin

Well, “execute” has different meanings, so….

Yes, and tRump’s definition has the words “hangman’s noose” in it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:59:06am

re: #225 lawhawk

They didn’t have the conception of a formal political party. That didn’t come until much later.

Nor were there international stock market corporations…and the combination of the two is toxic and is stifling democracy in our country

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:02:06am

So, if any Lizards ever find themselves in the Ostrava area (for whatever reason) and you’re in need of some physiotherapy - or acupuncture, sports medicine or whatnot - go check out two former students of mine, who’ve hung out their shingle and are now in business.

aku-fyzio.cz

It’s all in Czech, but you can use GoogleTranslate or another translator.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:03:01am

re: #225 lawhawk

They didn’t have the conception of a formal political party. That didn’t come until much later.

Indeed. If you look at the political divide that began in 1789, it was whether one favored the Washington administration or opposed it which was complicated since you had Hamilton in the Treasury and Jefferson in the State Department. I just got done reading Issacon’s Ben Franklin biography as you guys know and Franklin was considerably more democratic than most of the Founders. He wanted an unicameral legislature and didn’t want to give elected officials a salary and he believed in a directly elected judiciary. The Founders were working within the realities of 1787 which is why the Constitution is most certainly meant to be a living document IMO.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:05:06am

re: #178 A Mom Anon

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:09:36am

I know what Canadians want…

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danarchy  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:14:13am

re: #235 Dr Lizardo

So, if any Lizards ever find themselves in the Ostrava area (for whatever reason) and you’re in need of some physiotherapy - or acupuncture, sports medicine or whatnot - go check out two former students of mine, who’ve hung out their shingle and are now in business.

aku-fyzio.cz

It’s all in Czech, but you can use GoogleTranslate or another translator.

I appreciate you trying to support you students, but acupuncture is this worst sort of wu and should never be promoted, full stop.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:17:38am

re: #239 danarchy

Oh, I know it’s woowoo - if anything, it’s some kind of placebo effect. But they offer it simply because that sort of woowoo, along with homeopathy, is in tremendous demand in the Czech Republic. Czechs are big believers in “alternative medicine”. Seriously, you can find homeopathic cure-alls (LOL) for sale in fucking hospital pharmacies here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:20:36am

re: #240 Dr Lizardo

I know that in Germany, herbal teas and herbal cures never died out, I assume that after WW2 when everything was in short supply, you had to turn to Oma’s herb garden to treat what was ailing you.

You can still go in and find teas, tablets and drops to treat everything from twitchy nerves to rattly lungs to itchy eyes to ears to runny noses, scratchy throats, sleeplessness, etc.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:21:55am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I know that in Germany, herbal teas and herbal cures never died out, I assume that after WW2 when everything was in short supply, you had to turn to Oma’s herb garden to treat what was ailing you.

You can still go in and find teas, tablets and drops to treat everything from twitchy nerves to rattly lungs to itchy eyes to ears to runny noses, scratchy throats, sleeplessness, etc.

Yep, that’s identical to here. Must be a Central European thing.

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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:22:52am

re: #239 danarchy

I appreciate you trying to support you students, but acupuncture is this worst sort of wu and should never be promoted, full stop.

Disagree about acupuncture: yes, it’s been hyped-up over the last couple of decades as a holistic cure-all for all sorts of stuff (which IS woo) - but in SOME cases (not all, it must be stressed) it can be a useful therapy for some ailments. Generally minor problems, but it’s not just superstition. And this from personal experience.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:22:53am

re: #240 Dr Lizardo

Oh, I know it’s woowoo - if anything, it’s some kind of placebo effect. But they offer it simply because that sort of woowoo, along with homeopathy, is in tremendous demand in the Czech Republic. Czechs are big believers in “alternative medicine”. Seriously, you can find homeopathic cure-alls (LOL) for sale in fucking hospital pharmacies here.

I’ve been meaning to ask. Did they ever adopt Czechia as an official name or are they still officially the Czech Republic? Definitely an interesting place since it’s at a neat intersection of the German and more heavily Slavic world when you go east into neighboring Slovakia and then go really Slavic where I was in the Presov region.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:23:53am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

Yep, that’s identical to here. Must be a Central European thing.

My grandmother would talk about the homemade remedies her mom made too. My brother’s a bit of an anthropology guy and he was curious about that since our family is from such a historically rural area in the NE of the Slovak Republic.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:26:56am

re: #244 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

“Czechia” is official, but no one here really uses it. Most of the people I deal with think it’s all rather silly.

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danarchy  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:28:55am

re: #243 Jay C

Disagree about acupuncture: yes, it’s been hyped-up over the last couple of decades as a holistic cure-all for all sorts of stuff (which IS woo) - but in SOME cases (not all, it must be stressed) it can be a useful therapy for some ailments. Generally minor problems, but it’s not just superstition. And this from personal experience.

Anecdote is not evidence. I do not deny the placebo effect of acupuncture, but every reliable properly blinded study of acupuncture has shown that is all it is. It literally doesn’t matter where you stick the needles or even if you penetrate the skin it has the same effect, which is none, or at least no more than placebo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:33:22am

re: #204 jaunte

“OMB’s assertions have no basis in law.”

“They are unelected bureaucrats!!11!!!”

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:33:36am

Today would be a good day for Trump to release his taxes.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:34:43am

re: #247 danarchy

Placebo effect

Does the placebo effect mean failure or success?
For years, a placebo effect was considered a sign of failure. A placebo is used in clinical trials to test the effectiveness of treatments and is most often used in drug studies. For instance, people in one group get the tested drug, while the others receive a fake drug, or placebo, that they think is the real thing. This way, the researchers can measure if the drug works by comparing how both groups react. If they both have the same reaction — improvement or not — the drug is deemed not to work.

More recently, however, experts have concluded that reacting to a placebo is not proof that a certain treatment doesn’t work, but rather that another, non-pharmacological mechanism may be present.

How placebos work is still not quite understood, but it involves a complex neurobiological reaction that includes everything from increases in feel-good neurotransmitters, like endorphins and dopamine, to greater activity in certain brain regions linked to moods, emotional reactions, and self-awareness. All of it can have therapeutic benefit. “The placebo effect is a way for your brain to tell the body what it needs to feel better,” says Kaptchuk.

But placebos are not all about releasing brainpower. You also need the ritual of treatment. “When you look at these studies that compare drugs with placebos, there is the entire environmental and ritual factor at work,” says Kaptchuk. “You have to go to a clinic at certain times and be examined by medical professionals in white coats. You receive all kinds of exotic pills and undergo strange procedures. All this can have a profound impact on how the body perceives symptoms because you feel you are getting attention and care.”

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:38:14am

re: #203 Eclectic Cyborg

To be fair, the Founders could never imagined someone as dumb and ignorant as Trump being elected.

aaannnndddd a senate willing to support that dumbassery and ignorance 100%

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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:38:24am

I use chiropractic, occasional acupuncture, and some homeopathic meds. If you want to throw rocks at me, feel free. I wouldn’t do them if they had not worked for me when “traditional” medicine had failed.

So there.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:40:02am

re: #212 Belafon

“Trump never said he would ‘faithfully’ execute the laws.” - Some GOP legislator, soon

“When trump said ‘execute’ he meant the other definition” - some other GOP legislator, soon

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:40:32am

re: #214 jaunte

So far their reaction has been to cancel press briefings, hide in elevators, and keep lying.

signs of people with the unvarnished truth on their side

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:42:30am

re: #232 Barefoot Grin

Well, “execute” has different meanings, so….

gmta!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:44:14am

re: #245 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

My grandmother would talk about the homemade remedies her mom made too. My brother’s a bit of an anthropology guy and he was curious about that since our family is from such a historically rural area in the NE of the Slovak Republic.

That is also where my Grandfather comes from.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:45:02am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:45:49am

re: #246 Dr Lizardo

“Czechia” is official, but no one here really uses it. Most of the people I deal with think it’s all rather silly.

It makes me think of that Sopranos episode where Paulie and Christopher are in awe of the 16 “Czechoslovakians” that the guy they’re chasing killed. Maybe they’re thinking the same. I dunno though. The Czech Republic always seemed a bit too stiff a nation name but as I got at, Czechia sounds like Chechnya and I know since tourism is a big thing especially in Prague, they don’t want people confusing the two.

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BigPapa  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:45:57am

McSally’s mask of centrist Banana Republican fell right the hell off.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:47:40am

re: #256 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is also where my Grandfather comes from.

COUSIN! // But seriously it’s a neat place. I was very happy to become a regular at my distant cousin’s pub where I was paying a Euro per pint and sleeping down the street at another distant cousin’s pension.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:48:00am

re: #255 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

gmta!

Order 66.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:48:04am

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

moron

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:49:13am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

moron

I wonder how much he gets from Breitbart to promote their bullshit. Oh wait, they give him a loyal cult.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:49:51am

re: #225 lawhawk

They didn’t have the conception of a formal political party. That didn’t come until much later.

They didn’t imagine that enough people in one or both chambers would side with the president even if he did things that were unconstitutional.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:52:56am

re: #264 Belafon

They didn’t imagine that enough people in one or both chambers would side with the president even if he did things that were unconstitutional.

It’s why I think it’s reasonable to point out the vast difference between what firearms were doing in 1787 and what they do now in 2020 when talking about gun legislation. That pisses a lot of people off though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:53:15am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

FBI arrests members of neo-Nazi group ahead of Richmond gun rally

RW Spin: “Deep State Persecutes Patriots Defending 2nd Amendment!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:54:51am

re: #265 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s why I think it’s reasonable to point out the vast difference between what firearms were doing in 1787 and what they do now in 2020 when talking about gun legislation. That pisses a lot of people off though.

Not to mention the role of a “well regulated militia” in maintaining the national defense and public order…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:55:24am

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:56:12am
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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:56:58am

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

She should have said Trump was. Get him pissed off at Barr.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:57:11am

re: #267 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not to mention the role of a “well regulated militia” in maintaining the national defense and public order…

Yes, that too. It’s definitely not an invitation to hoard all the guns one can in preparation for doomsday. I saw that my Congresswoman is focusing on legislation that would involve the banks and gun shops reporting large amounts of guns and ammo. I think the government has a right to be suspicious of such purchases.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:58:55am

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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Twitter and his rallies really are him yelling at clouds. It’s why it’s absurd to claim this makes him accessible. He’s not accessible. He’s an angry child who plays on Twitter all day. It’s no wonder why the trolls love him. He’s one of em.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:00:32am

re: #267 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not to mention the role of a “well regulated militia” in maintaining the national defense and public order…

The war of 1812 put the idea of militia and national defense on the chopping block.

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makeitstop  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:01:19am

Looks like Drunky McStalkerface is in the shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:02:15am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:04:33am

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Senator Concern Troll (ME)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:04:40am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

If any more of these goobers are stupid enough to start shooting, pry their guns out of their cold, dead fingers, bend the barrels, slash the receivers with a cutting torch, and dump the wreckage on the steps of NRA headquarters. It’s just a few miles away in Fairfax.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:06:06am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:07:19am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sick of these lying assholes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:09:59am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:10:39am
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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:10:45am

The articles of impeachment have been transmitted to the Senate.
The Senate has passed NAFTA 2.0.

We know which one Trump will focus on for the rest of the day.?

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stpaulbear  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:11:44am

re: #277 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

If any more of these goobers are stupid enough to start shooting, pry their guns out of their cold, dead fingers, bend the barrels, slash the receivers with a cutting torch, and dump the wreckage on the steps of NRA headquarters. It’s just a few miles away in Fairfax.

Is the NRA participating in the protest, or are they afraid to show up?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:14:15am

There was no transcript. Aid was withheld. Trump only wanted the announcement of an investigation. If you seriously believe Trump cares about corruption anywhere let alone in Ukraine more than securing his own re-election than you’re either delusional or an enabler.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:15:43am

re: #281 Patricia Kayden

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Exactly. This wasn’t done for the benefit of our country, it was done for the benefit of a paranoid child who needs help from corrupt sources to go after his rivals.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:17:06am

re: #283 stpaulbear

Is the NRA participating in the protest, or are they afraid to show up?

Dana is too busy making those Super Beet commercials.

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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:18:36am

re: #281 Patricia Kayden

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So basically McCarthy’s line is that no matter how much dirty Russian money he (and many/most other Republicans) were/are on the take for, none of it is relevant, because [other people’s’ and parties’] “corruption”, and besides it was Ukrainian money, and because shut up….?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:19:40am

re: #287 Jay C

So basically McCarthy’s line is that no matter how much dirty Russian money he (and many/most other Republicans) were/are on the take for, none of it is relevant, because [other people’s’ and parties’] “corruption”, and besides it was Ukrainian money, and because shut up….?

No.

His line is that Republicans are above the law.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:19:55am

re: #286 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dana is too busy making those Super Beet commercials.

Ollie lives here in NoVa but the last I saw him he was acting how awful the Obama administration’s Iran policy. At least Obama never did anything like Iran-Contra like idiot Reagan.

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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:20:44am

re: #288 Joe Bacon 🌹

No.

His line is that Republicans are above the law.

The standard GOP Party line, then?
OK….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:21:54am

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I don’t know who’s the puppet; Trump or the Attorney General.”

Trump is too stupid to be a Puppet Master, Barr has been pulling strings since the Nixon administration.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:22:05am

re: #283 stpaulbear

Is the NRA participating in the protest, or are they afraid to show up?

They’re weaseling:

The NRA has yet to make any public statement disavowing the January 20th event or the various militia groups planning on attending. However, the NRA’s people and rhetoric are intertwined with the January 20th rally. The NRA put out a formal statement supporting the Lawless County resolutions, and former NRA TV personalities like Cam Edwards and Antonia Okafor are listed as speakers at the rally. The NRA has taken out billboards throughout Virginia ominously and baselessly warning of coming “confiscation” of firearms. As UCLA Law Professor Adam Winkler was quoted as saying, for decades the NRA has been pushing “overheated rhetoric about the second amendment protecting your right to rise up against the government … this is the natural result.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:23:17am

re: #292 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

They’re weaseling:

They thankfully aren’t the force they once were in VA politics. I talked to a lot of voters who wanted gun law reform.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:23:37am

re: #292 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

WIMPS!!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:27:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:29:23am

I am really looking at the Parnas Interviews as the equivalent of those documents that “proved” that Dubya had played hooky from his Air National Guard duties.

They all pass the initial smell test, but I am certain that certain inconsistencies will arise that will be used in an attempt to discredit everything and send the Internet into a tailspin while the Media play along…

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sagehen  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:29:58am

re: #236 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Indeed. If you look at the political divide that began in 1789, it was whether one favored the Washington administration or opposed it which was complicated since you had Hamilton in the Treasury and Jefferson in the State Department.

As any fan of Hamilton can tell you, Alex HATED Jefferson with the white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns. Jefferson tried repeatedly to get Hamilton tossed from the cabinet… which didn’t work because Hamilton had been Washington’s right-hand throughout the war, and they grew close. W had a lot of faith in the value of H’s unconventional ideas, and protected him.

Hamilton was the deciding vote that got Jefferson elected, but only because he hated Burr even more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:31:39am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:32:22am

re: #297 sagehen

As any fan of Hamilton can tell you, Alex HATED Jefferson with the white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns. Jefferson tried repeatedly to get Hamilton tossed from the cabinet… which didn’t work because Hamilton had been Washington’s right-hand throughout the war, and they grew close. W had a lot of faith in the value of H’s unconventional ideas, and protected him.

Hamilton was the deciding vote that got Jefferson elected, but only because he hated Burr even more.

And we know how that turned out!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:32:26am
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Sherlock Hound  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:32:47am

re: #229 Jay C

Morning all!
Just to follow up on yesterday’s computer trauma: thanks to the Lizards who suggested I just let it be for a while. When I went to bed last night, I checked the laptop, and mirabile dictu, it had actually booted up “normally” (i.e. glacially slow, but more-or-less functional). So back to Square One: but there are worse places to be.

WTF? Actual oversight?? I’m surprised the Trump regime hasn’t gutted the GAO like it has so many other agencies: and/or appointed someone like Robert Hyde as “acting” head….

As well, a lot of laptops (Hi, Dell!) are designed to charge only with THEIR adapter; they have special ID chips in the charger. If they don’t recognize the charger, or something is broken, they throttle back to half-speed in the CPU.

This does wonders for updates. Not!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:32:57am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

This French chef in The Times has produced the most French chef quote imaginable

He has business interests to consider…and wine and spirits are a big industry!

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:33:07am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am really looking at the Parnas Interviews as the equivalent of those documents that “proved” that Dubya had played hooky from his Air National Guard duties.

They all pass the initial smell test, but I am certain that certain inconsistencies will arise that will be used in an attempt to discredit everything and send the Internet into a tailspin while the Media play along…

And remember how the guy who released the Guard documents went on TV and talked about it, cause I don’t.

I think they all need to be verified, but it’s not our job to dismiss them. If they are 60% correct, then we need to be harping on the parts that are correct, not going along with what Trump wants.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:34:02am

new meaning for “High Noon”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:34:26am

re: #303 Belafon

And remember how the guy who released the Guard documents went on TV and talked about it, cause I don’t.

I think they all need to be verified, but it’s not our job to dismiss them. If they are 60% correct, then we need to be harping on the parts that are correct, not going along with what Trump wants.

The problem is, they will use the argument of “you cannot tell a clip from a magazine, therefore everything you say about guns is invalidated!”

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:35:46am

re: #305 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The problem is, they will use the argument of “you cannot tell a clip from a magazine, therefore everything you say about guns is invalidated!”

And, historically, we run off and search for documents that prove our point rather than telling them to stuff it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:36:18am

re: #305 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The problem is, they will use the argument of “you cannot tell a clip from a magazine, therefore everything you say about guns is invalidated!”

You know, we are where we are. Let’s let shit happen. This isn’t the same as the NG memos by a long shot.

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danarchy  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:36:52am

re: #252 retired cynic

I use chiropractic, occasional acupuncture, and some homeopathic meds. If you want to throw rocks at me, feel free. I wouldn’t do them if they had not worked for me when “traditional” medicine had failed.

So there.

You do you, not going to throw any stones. I just decided for me a long time ago that science is the best means we have to understand the world around us, be that GM foods, Climate science, medicine, whatever. Is science perfect, no, but it is the only method we have that is self correcting and gets better and better over time.

Alternative “medicine” may seem benign and if it makes your cold, or sore back or whatever feel better what’s the big deal. The problem is when someone decides “hey that homeopathic remedy worked for my cold, maybe it can cure my pancreatic cancer”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:37:39am

There’s more evidence validating this than not. We’re skeptical as we should be but it was Gravano who brought down Gotti.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:39:32am

re: #297 sagehen

As any fan of Hamilton can tell you, Alex HATED Jefferson with the white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns. Jefferson tried repeatedly to get Hamilton tossed from the cabinet… which didn’t work because Hamilton had been Washington’s right-hand throughout the war, and they grew close. W had a lot of faith in the value of H’s unconventional ideas, and protected him.

Hamilton was the deciding vote that got Jefferson elected, but only because he hated Burr even more.

I like Jefferson less as I get older. Like the words but the man was immensely flawed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:39:58am

re: #307 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You know, we are where we are. Let’s let shit happen. This isn’t the same as the NG memos by a long shot.

Things to seem to be coming together that really highlight how entirely disreputable this whole series of events was. Physical threats against a US ambassador is truly beyond the pale.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:40:31am

re: #310 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I like Jefferson less as I get older. Like the words but the man was immensely flawed.

Same here, especially when the stories about Sally Hemmings started coming out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:40:42am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:42:49am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Same here, especially when the stories about Sally Hemmings started coming out.

Yep. I can’t erase that. I can get over the sexism but he was a tyrannical slave owner.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:42:58am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

They ought to be bringing up that Parnas had to beg the judge to allow his documents to be released.

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sagehen  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:44:21am

re: #271 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yes, that too. It’s definitely not an invitation to hoard all the guns one can in preparation for doomsday. I saw that my Congresswoman is focusing on legislation that would involve the banks and gun shops reporting large amounts of guns and ammo. I think the government has a right to be suspicious of such purchases.

I dunno… it’s not like they’re buying cough syrup or fertilizer or anything really dangerous.
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:45:29am

re: #316 sagehen

I dunno… it’s not like they’re buying cough syrup or fertilizer or anything really dangerous.
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No gun has ever killed people. Fact.//

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:48:42am

re: #317 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No gun has ever killed people. Fact.//

Except by accident. Guns are always just going off on their own, at least that’s what all the news reports say!
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:49:47am

re: #318 Sherlock Hound

Except by accident. Guns are always just going off on their own, at least that’s what all the news reports say!
///

I’m so sick of the stupidity behind gun politics. Let these gun hoarders live where they fear their children being ambushed by a coward with a gun that shouldn’t be in civilian hands.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:50:20am

The conservative take on guns is contradictory bullshit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:52:59am

re: #303 Belafon

And remember how the guy who released the Guard documents went on TV and talked about it, cause I don’t.

I think they all need to be verified, but it’s not our job to dismiss them. If they are 60% correct, then we need to be harping on the parts that are correct, not going along with what Trump wants.

1000 x this!

Parnas was not testifying under oath on the show — so everything could be a lie — and that’s certainly not outside the realm of possibility. But this is a case where the only ways to refute his statements are to (a) get him under oath testifying before the Senate and/or (b) get testimony of others under oath before the Senate.

The only administration officials testifying under oath to date contradicted the Trump narrative. TBH, I think Pompeo, Mulvaney, et al. are perfectly capable and willing to perjure themselves to support the Orange Menace. And Trump has repeatedly demonstrated his willingness to pardon those convicted of perjury.

My question to lawyers here re perjury in an impeachment trial: could the language in the Constitution on the President’s authority to grant “Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment” prevent Trump from pardoning those who lied to protect him?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:55:21am
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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:56:25am

How the F*** does Billie Joe keep getting younger? Did he steal something from Keith Richards?

New video dropped this hour:

Green Day - Oh Yeah! (Official Music Video)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:59:20am

Build The Wall and make the Bahamas pay for it!

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sagehen  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:00:04am

re: #323 William Lewis

How the F*** does Billie Joe keep getting younger? Did he steal something from Keith Richards?

New video dropped this hour:

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Botox.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:01:35am

re: #302 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He has business interests to consider…and wine and spirits are a big industry!

Euro Itchy and Scratchy Land

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makeitstop  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:01:44am

re: #323 William Lewis

How the F*** does Billie Joe keep getting younger? Did he steal something from Keith Richards?

New video dropped this hour:

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Video

Hey, nice little lift from Joanie Jett in that one! Good tune.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:02:50am

re: #307 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You know, we are where we are. Let’s let shit happen. This isn’t the same as the NG memos by a long shot.

theres people who can testify - willingly or not
there’s phone calls, texts, emails and probably other communications that have more than one end to them and can be found in multiple places and accounts

cocktail napkins aside, and at least so far, no one’s disputed any letter produced with their signature on it

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:03:59am

re: #328 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

theres people who can testify - willingly or not
there’s phone calls, texts, emails and probably other communications that have more than one end to them and can be found in multiple places and accounts

cocktail napkins aside, and at least so far, no one’s disputed any letter produced with their signature on it

The reason that the GOP is against any sort of testimony is that it would immediately open up a ginormous can of perjury worms…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:06:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:07:48am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:08:24am

re: #328 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

theres people who can testify - willingly or not
there’s phone calls, texts, emails and probably other communications that have more than one end to them and can be found in multiple places and accounts

cocktail napkins aside, and at least so far, no one’s disputed any letter produced with their signature on it

And didn’t Nunes suddenly recall a conversation with Parnas immediately prior to the airing of the show? Like Sondland’s recollections that were “magically” refreshed when another witness contradicted his sworn testimony.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:09:02am
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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:09:38am

re: #323 William Lewis

It’s good. And it’s got the Joan Jett baseline -

Do You Wanna Touch Me (Oh Yeah) - 1984

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:09:52am

Finally finished one!!
Polikarpov I-16, built from 1964 vintage Revell kit.

This is the same scale, 1/72 (1 inch=6 feet), as the recently acquired Saturn V kit. As you can see, the model therefore ends up being quite a bit smaller. I started on this in April, then set it aside for months and finished it in a flurry of activity this week. At that rate I should finish the Saturn V some time around the turn of the century. Got to get with the program.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:11:13am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had a college sweatshirt that I loved - it was great for upstate NY winters. After I started dating the Mrs., she adopted it as her own, and it’s been that way ever since.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:11:30am

re: #335 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

where did that landing gear fall from?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:11:46am

re: #308 danarchy

You do you, not going to throw any stones. I just decided for me a long time ago that science is the best means we have to understand the world around us, be that GM foods, Climate science, medicine, whatever. Is science perfect, no, but it is the only method we have that is self correcting and gets better and better over time.

Alternative “medicine” may seem benign and if it makes your cold, or sore back or whatever feel better what’s the big deal. The problem is when someone decides “hey that homeopathic remedy worked for my cold, maybe it can cure my pancreatic cancer”

When I feel like I’m coming down with the cold, I go to my local butcher and buy myself 500g of steak. I take it home, cook it rare, and eat it with some garlic toast, followed up by a glass of Laphroaig. It works for me, as I feel fine the next day.

Granted, it could well be entirely psychosomatic or a placebo effect. That being said, I’m certainly not about to write a book called: Dr. Lizardo’s Cure for the Common Cold, Which Involves Beef and Fine Single-Malt Islay Scotch.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:12:07am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:13:24am

re: #292 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

…for decades the NRA has been pushing “overheated rhetoric about the second amendment protecting your right to rise up against the government

The. Founders. Did. Not. Put. A. Mechanism. In. The. Constitution. To. Overthrow. The. Government. That. They. Were. Creating.

Phew. Sorry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:13:30am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:14:08am

re: #320 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The conservative take on guns is contradictory bullshit.

Anything tht promotes fund raising

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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:15:55am

OT: This is a really interesting article in WaPo about how the Cathedral of Notre Dame was built and changed over the centuries, and the damage the fire caused. It does not speculate greatly on what might be done to repair it. The graphic illustrations are dandy.

washingtonpost.com

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:17:38am

re: #340 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The. Founders. Did. Not. Put. A. Mechanism. In. The. Constitution. To. Overthrow. The. Government. That. They. Were. Creating.

Phew. Sorry.

To be a wingnut means to believe that the process spelled out in the Constitution to remove a rogue president (impeachment) is against the ideals of the Founders, but waging an armed revolution against “tyranny” is totally cool despite appearing nowhere in the same document.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:18:15am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:18:32am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Man folding laundry?
Oh that’s rich//

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:18:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:19:37am

re: #335 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Finally finished one!!
Polikarpov I-16, built from 1964 vintage Revell kit.

I had that kit, it included a Polikarpov, a Polish PLZ and some other obscure Italian or French fighter…

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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:19:50am

re: #335 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Finally finished one!!
Polikarpov I-16, built from 1964 vintage Revell kit.

This is the same scale, 1/72 (1 inch=6 feet), as the recently acquired Saturn V kit. As you can see, the model therefore ends up being quite a bit smaller. I started on this in April, then set it aside for months and finished it in a flurry of activity this week. At that rate I should finish the Saturn V some time around the turn of the century. Got to get with the program.

[Embedded content]

Nice. Is that a Dassault Ouragan behind it?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:22:35am

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

where did that landing gear fall from?

Gloster-Whittle E-28/39. The gear came off when I moved it for the photo. Got to get out the glue and fix it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:24:47am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:24:47am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:24:58am

re: #347 lawhawk

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RANDOLPH SCOTT

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:25:59am

re: #335 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I saw one of those fly a few years back at the Houston airshow. That radial engine is incredibly loud.
ksql.com

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danarchy  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:27:35am

re: #352 Charles Johnson

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The Base? Isn’t that the translation of Al Qaeda.

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:27:40am

re: #352 Charles Johnson

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Between Charlottesville and now this, I’m really beginning to worry about who my neighbors are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:28:31am

re: #355 danarchy

The Base? Isn’t that the translation of Al Qaeda.

We will call you Usul, which means “The strength of the base of the pillar”…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:30:22am

re: #349 William Lewis

Nice. Is that a Dassault Ouragan behind it?

It is! 1956 Suez war configuration. I have a French Corsair and several others from the same period waiting in the closet to join it. I may call the set “Great Moments in Imperialist Collusion.” This was an ancient Heller kit that I rescued from the junk box and repaired and re-painted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:32:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:33:50am

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

WATCH NOW: Gov. Reynolds called for a constitutional amendment to say there is no right to abortion in the state of Iowa. Legislators rushed to set up this surprise hearing:

His Roe boat is capsized and he needs to Wade ashore…

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:37:28am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LoL. The wife has lost a couple of flannel night gowns to me that way. :-)

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:38:22am
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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:38:57am

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Welcome to 2020, where Republicans are forced to engage in ambush legislation because if they actually run on their ideas they lose elections.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:40:38am

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

So we’re going with “The Pen is mightier than the Gun” now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:41:25am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:41:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:42:17am

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

So we’re going with “The Pen is mightier than the Gun” now?

Nancy should have strung them together and wore them as a necklace…

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:43:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:43:26am
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:44:03am

re: #368 Belafon

It’s hard to tell how many voters are insane, but they manage to interview a lot of them.

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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:44:30am

re: #368 Belafon

What a weirdo!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:44:42am
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:44:59am

Novelty News Corp.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:45:04am

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wonder why Maria never whines about Trump’s embossed giant Sharpies?

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plansbandc  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:45:39am

re: #368 Belafon

She’s a bright one.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:45:58am

re: #25 Barefoot Grin

Yes, and has been ruminating on what she’s seen.

Barely 1/10 the way through this thread and already I have to BOOOO! the bad pun…

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:46:02am

Has anyone asked the Trump administration what other anti-corruption initiatives they’ve begun?

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:46:35am

Let’s look into corruption and money laundering in Azerbaijan real estate.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:46:47am

re: #357 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We will call you Usul, which means “The strength of the base of the pillar”…

Denis Villenueve’s Dune is coming out pretty soon.

I do have to wonder how that’s gonna play? I mean, in the book, it’s a story about a young man who recruits a bunch of desert-dwelling, substance-addicted jihadists (literally jihadists) to his side to seek revenge for the death of his father.

And they’re the good guys!

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:46:52am

re: #368 Belafon

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Ah, the “Me, Me, Me” principle that will be the death of this republic. “Well yeah, I support the ideas and principles of one party…but they didn’t nominate the guy I wanted, so I’m gonna vote for a shit sandwich as a ‘protest.’”

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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:47:58am

YouTube broadcasts climate disinformation to millions — and major brands make it profitable, on Judd Legum’s Private Information.

A new study reveals that YouTube is pushing millions of people to watch videos with dangerous misinformation about climate change. For searches of the term “global warming,” for example, 16% of the top 100 related videos contained misinformation about climate change. Overall, YouTube has likely facilitated hundreds of millions of views of climate misinformation videos.

The study was conducted by Avaaz, an international non-profit working to “protect democracies from the dangers of disinformation on social media.” The group provided an advance copy of the report to Popular Information.

The study “classified videos as ‘climate denial and misinformation’ if they contained verifiably false or misleading information that has the potential to cause public harm, such as undermining public support for efforts to limit human-induced climate change, as assessed against the scientific consensus represented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, NASA, NOAA and other peer-reviewed scientific literature.”

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:48:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:48:52am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:51:26am

re: #368 Belafon

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this is not rationality
nor is it any sort of critical thinking

it’s either pure emotion or totally random ‘conclusions’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:52:17am
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Sherlock Hound  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:52:53am

re: #319 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m so sick of the stupidity behind gun politics. Let these gun hoarders live where they fear their children being ambushed by a coward with a gun that shouldn’t be in civilian hands.

And when their own kids find their gun left carelessly and blow their brains out, it’s always “God’s Will”. I am jaded. If they care that little about the safety of their children, guess what? I won’t want to care, either!

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:53:52am

re: #376 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Barely 1/10 the way through this thread and already I have to BOOOO! the bad pun…

received a gift of an old copy of Bennett Cerf’s Treasury of Atrocious Puns Hardcover - June, 1968

it was a lot of fun. and many were atrocious

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:56:54am
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:57:18am

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

Funny how none of the POC are “playing” the circle game. Only the white people.

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Citizen K  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:57:46am

re: #368 Belafon

So when are they going to interview someone that isn’t going to vote Trump at all and ask them why that is?

You’d think those’d be easier to find and interview after they’ve spent all this time mining the same Trump Diner voters they possibly could.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:01:26am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And if he doesn’t stop talking? Is he going to get arrested? I can’t see any circumstance where that wouldn’t violate freedom of speech and the press.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:05:24am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:05:30am

re: #390 Citizen K

So when are they going to interview someone that isn’t going to vote Trump at all and ask them why that is?

You’d think those’d be easier to find and interview after they’ve spent all this time mining the same Trump Diner voters they possibly could.

Seriously. There’s a lot of us out there. And people like her make worry about the state of democracy.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:06:56am

re: #392 Dread Pirate

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Well his testimony isn’t relevant to the case. Parnas’ sure as hell would be tho as would Rudy, Hyde, Barr, Mulvaney, Pompeo, etc.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:14:34am
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plansbandc  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:16:06am

re: #389 Flying Squirrel Girl

I know. Isn’t that weird?

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:16:23am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:18:14am

re: #395 Dread Pirate

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But he doesn’t take a salary // which is basically I won’t have a piece of pie now but I will buy ten bakeries later and then eat all the pie.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:18:46am

re: #397 Dread Pirate

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Petulant toddler.

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sagehen  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:19:58am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:21:23am

re: #397 Dread Pirate

What a fucking snowflake.

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:22:05am

re: #397 Dread Pirate

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“Most transparent administration EVAH!” would really prefer if Congress didn’t openly call them liars.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:22:36am
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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:26:50am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:30:11am

re: #392 Dread Pirate

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bang this home over and over

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:31:12am

re: #398 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

But he doesn’t take a salary // which is basically I won’t have a piece of pie now but I will buy steal ten bakeries later and then eat all the pie.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:42:43am

re: #387 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

received a gift of an old copy of Bennett Cerf’s Treasury of Atrocious Puns Hardcover - June, 1968

it was a lot of fun. and many were atrocious

OMG Bennet Cerf! Read his books way back in the Pleistocene, when I was but a lad, and before I discovered “hipper” comedy like National Lampoon or the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and their Fat Cat Freddie.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:09:43pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

There comes a moment in every marriage when a man finds himself folding the laundry

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Nope. That has never happened.

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stpaulbear  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:17:17pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

90% of those moments happen because the man realizes he’s now too fat to wear the shirt.


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