It Begins: The Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump [LIVE VIDEO]

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We should note that every Republican Senator who takes the oath swearing to be “impartial” will be lying, and will immediately violate that oath.

Unless something very unusual happens, and I’m not holding my breath for that.

At 12 p.m. Eastern, the House impeachment managers will walk across the Capitol to the Senate side for the exhibition of the articles. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff will then read the two articles of impeachment against Trump on the Senate floor. Later, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., who will preside over the trial, will swear in the senators as jurors. The trial will likely start next week.

On Jan. 15, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) signed the articles at a ceremony in the Capitol, hours after she named a team of managers led by Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) and Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) YouTube

At the center of the Democrats’ case is that Trump sought to withhold military assistance and an Oval Office meeting until Ukraine announced investigations into former vice president Joe Biden and his son. Read more: wapo.st. Subscribe to The Washington Post on YouTube: wapo.st

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1
Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:30:47am

Nor should he be.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:31:44am

re: #1 Dave In Austin

Nor should he be.

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It’s insane.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:34:07am

from downstairs

Bang this home, over and over as much as it takes

the bidens are irrelevant to the articles of impeachment

those in the admin refusing to testify are relevant as they were either “in the room” for conversations and in the loop regarding texts and corres, or part of the post hoc cover up

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:35:56am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:37:32am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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hey rand, two points

- it’s ‘checked’

and can you prove he stayed there?
cause i bet lev can

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:38:36am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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I’m glad that Rand is taking the allegations seriously. // Fucker is crooked.

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:39:33am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Teukka  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:40:23am

re: #7 Targetpractice

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Now that is a badass projection gear…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:42:17am

re: #8 Teukka

Now that is a badass projection gear…

Rand inherited it from his father.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:43:21am

Got CL’d on the last thread, and feeling this is really heavy, so here’s some lighter faire:

re: #387 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

received a gift of an old copy of Bennett Cerf’s Treasury of Atrocious Puns Hardcover - June, 1968

it was a lot of fun. and many were atrocious

OMG Bennet Cerf! Read his books way back in the Pleistocene, when I was but a lad, and before I discovered “hipper” comedy like National Lampoon or the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and their Fat Cat Freddie.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:44:00am

re: #10 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Got CL’d on the last thread, and feeling this is really heavy, so here’s some lighter faire:

re: #387 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

received a gift of an old copy of Bennett Cerf’s Treasury of Atrocious Puns Hardcover - June, 1968

it was a lot of fun. and many were atrocious

OMG Bennet Cerf! Read his books way back in the Pleistocene, when I was but a lad, and before I discovered “hipper” comedy like National Lampoon or the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and their Fat Cat Freddie.

ditto here

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:45:43am

To be fair, Major League Baseball actually cares *just a little* about appearances, and isn’t a cruel Ponzi scheme dedicated to impoverishing its most dedicated fans

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:46:40am

re: #6 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m glad that Rand is taking the allegations seriously. // Fucker is crooked.

forget it jake; it’s kentucky

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:47:53am

re: #12 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

To be fair, Major League Baseball actually cares *just a little* about appearances, and isn’t a cruel Ponzi scheme dedicated to impoverishing its most dedicated fans

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I’m following it. Whole thing is insane.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:48:05am

Apparently, their appeal was international.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:50:08am

re: #10 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Got CL’d on the last thread, and feeling this is really heavy, so here’s some lighter faire:

re: #387 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

received a gift of an old copy of Bennett Cerf’s Treasury of Atrocious Puns Hardcover - June, 1968

it was a lot of fun. and many were atrocious

OMG Bennet Cerf! Read his books way back in the Pleistocene, when I was but a lad, and before I discovered “hipper” comedy like National Lampoon or the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and their Fat Cat Freddie.

me as well. had a few of his growing up and read them hundreds of times…

that’s why getting this over the holidays from mrs dm’s aunt was like “wow, how did you know…?” it was spot on.

i read so many of them out loud only to face repetitive eye rolling.
that’s how i knew this was gold.

just gave it to my mom and she had a nostalgic ball. and she gave it back
i asked mrs dm what we’re gonna do with it. should we burn it?
she said no. it goes on the shelf.
thats the definition of love right there

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:50:20am

I think we’re all going to need to mellow out before this bummer of a year ends.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:50:24am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:52:14am

re: #14 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m following it. Whole thing is insane.

All I can think about is how devastated Clayton Kershaw looked in the dugout; the sheer psychic agony he was in after getting shelled.

And it was all because the Astros and Red Sox cheated and knew what pitch was coming.

Dodgers should get 2 World Series titles.

Cora should get thrown in jail.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:52:30am
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plansbandc  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:53:12am

re: #15 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Ex had a whole bunch of those comics in pristine condition. Guessing they’re worth a bit of money.

And yes, I did read them. :D

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:54:03am

Play by the rules in America, and this is what you get.

There is a lesson here for us all, if we have the heart to learn it…

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Teukka  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:54:20am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:56:30am

“Your honor, I’d like to recommend we vote to acquit now so all of us can be home in time for dinner tonight.”

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:57:50am

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:58:20am

In other news, pregnant women in Venezuela are so desperate that they’re WALKING across Colombia to get to Ecuador, where they get can medical treatment and safely deliver their babies.

In 2016, the last year there were any reliable stats, about 756 women died in childbirth. That number has grown by at least 65%, and infant mortality is through the roof.

Don’t hear many of the right-wingers who yammer on about Sacred Fetuses talking about this, though. Wonder why?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 11:59:35am

re: #26 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Well, they do usually call Venezuela a socialist hellhole, don’t they?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:00:28pm

re: #20 Dread Pirate

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Ambassador Yovanovitch has been threatened for 2 years

…by her country
Ie by her boss and his admin and associated folks related to him

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:00:32pm

Rand Paul’s lame-ass attempt at humor isn’t humorous.

It isn’t even remotely close to the analogy joke he was getting at.

Parnas had direct evidence. He had supporting evidence. Parnas isn’t a whistleblower or something. He’s directly implicated in a conspiracy to stalk and harass and potentially attack a US ambassador in conjunction with the president’s personal lawyer who has already indicated to the Ukranian president that he’s acting at the direction of Trump (US Oval Office Occupant). There’s no whistleblower here.

Paul’s thinking that this is some next level joke that the whistleblower found this in Schiff’s room?

He’s just fucking with the ongoing investigations, because you know damned well there’ll be some right wing fucker who’ll claim that this actually is evidence and needs to be equated with everything Trump has already admitted to.

Oh yeah, and Rand Paul.

I feel like I need to do a cinema sins scoring of this.

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Teukka  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:01:17pm

re: #23 Teukka

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Should be “is ethical”*

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Teukka  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:06:22pm

And at long last, the #DailyGroaner:

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:07:08pm
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Mike Lamb  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:08:16pm

re: #26 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

In other news, pregnant women in Venezuela are so desperate that they’re WALKING across Colombia to get to Ecuador, where they get can medical treatment and safely deliver their babies.

In 2016, the last year there were any reliable stats, about 756 women died in childbirth. That number has grown by at least 65%, and infant mortality is through the roof.

Don’t hear many of the right-wingers who yammer on about Sacred Fetuses talking about this, though. Wonder why?

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Minor point of translation—it says that the number of deaths of women related to childbirth and postpartum issues grew by 65% relative to 2015.

Obviously, the number hasn’t gone down since then.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:08:26pm

When MLB takes scandals more seriously than the GOP:

Firings and fines. Boston and Houston both dumped their managers after MLB levied fines/penalties (still not harsh enough but the owners of those teams had it right - fire them to move on).

The GOP is still acting as though it’s fine to completely cover for the most corrupt and criminal admin in our nation’s history.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:08:49pm

re: #22 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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There is a lesson here for us all, if we have the heart to learn it…

Yeah I feel awful for him. He’s one of the finest pitchers of his generation.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:09:59pm

re: #35 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I feel awful for him. He’s one of the finest pitchers of his generation.

When he goes in the Hall of Fame, include a section called “They had to cheat to beat him.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:10:09pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

“Your honor, I’d like to recommend we vote to acquit now so all of us can be home in time for dinner tonight.”

Sit down Mr. Hutz.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:11:54pm

re: #36 Belafon

When he goes in the Hall of Fame, include a section called “They had to cheat to beat him.”

It would go on his plaque. Finally got to see those this fall. Got my photo taken in front of Ripken, Clemente, Mays, & some of my other favorites.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:12:21pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:13:07pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:14:48pm

re: #40 gocart mozart

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Isn’t this his kid who got arrested? Generation O’Keefe I see.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:18:44pm

The worst thing? Even if he’s removed whether at the ballot box or Senate. It’s going to take a long time to recover from this guy’s legacy as a nation. And I fear it will be at least a generation. I’m sorry and I’m going to keep involved no matter what but Trump has really left a terrible legacy for the future. So many kids and young people are seeing this as normal presidential behavior.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:19:05pm

re: #22 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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There is a lesson here for us all, if we have the heart to learn it…

I don’t know anything about baseball since the amazing Mets.

Pete rose bet on the game but never threw or tanked or influenced an actual game or cheated, is that right?

This seems mega ways worse and horrible ‘sportsmanship’
They delegitimized the assumptions, conventions, behavior and good nature of the game

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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:21:51pm

re: #41 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Kelly Ashby Paul is Rand’s wife.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:22:12pm
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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:24:02pm

re: #43 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Rose bet on a bunch of games, including those that he was involved in. He claims he never bet against his own team (the Cincinnati Reds). That’s from his own autobiography.

Rose was right when he said this kind of cheating should at least deliver the death penalty - lifetime bans - as happened to him.

I agree. Anyone who did this should forfeit the right to play in MLB. The team owners did more than MLB, which slapped 1-year suspensions.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:25:03pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Reporters should be asking those GOPers like Graham or McConnell what the penalty is for violating the oath he just took.

Because both Graham’s and McConnell’s earlier statements seem relevant to the intent to violate said oath.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:25:15pm

re: #34 lawhawk

When MLB takes scandals more seriously than the GOP:

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Firings and fines. Boston and Houston both dumped their managers after MLB levied fines/penalties (still not harsh enough but the owners of those teams had it right - fire them to move on).

The GOP is still acting as though it’s fine to completely cover for the most corrupt and criminal admin in our nation’s history.

MLB owners face actual consequences in the form of revenue loss if they fail to deal with corruption. The GOP’s owners, Russian oligarchs and American fatcats, face none.

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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:27:48pm

re: #47 lawhawk

Reporters should be asking those GOPers like Graham or McConnell what the penalty is for violating the oath he just took.

Because both Graham’s and McConnell’s earlier statements seem relevant to the intent to violate said oath.

Watching on WaPo TV, they discussed this, and said there really is no penalty, unless it was political. Typical.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:35:08pm

Because Trump fired his national security leaders last year after they contradicted him at hearings, the new “leaders” are asking Congress not to hold new hearing: dailykos.com.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:36:11pm
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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:36:47pm

Said with a motherfucking straight face?

The worst-ever crime spree by an elected US official?

These fuckers are so blatant in their obvious effort to deflect from Trump that it hurts. They can’t help themselves. They think a back bencher 1st term representative is going to take the heat off Trump, who’s actively engaged in multiple federal felonies, and is already an unindicted coconspirator in the Cohen felonies that landed Cohen in prison for 3 years. That’s a far greater crime spree. Trumpworld is an unending series of crimes. When you uncover crimes, there’s more crimes.

It’s an inception level of crimes - crimes within crimes. Crimes begetting crimes.

But lo… Hot fucking Air thinks that Rep. Illhan Omar is the worst ever crime spree?

This is all occurring while two other GOP Reps. are already going to prison for felonies in this current class - Duncan Hunter and Chris Collins.

If there’s any takeaway, it’s this - the right wing echo chamber will stop at nothing to deflect and distract from Trump’s high crimes and felony conduct.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:38:44pm

re: #52 lawhawk

What’s the “crime spree” of which they accuse her?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:39:32pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Before this is over we’ll find out Trump never really knew anyone.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:42:51pm

re: #53 Belafon

It’s an unsupported assertion by this right winger David Steinberg that she committed multiple felonies between 2009-2017.

That’s it. No proof. Nothing. Just his say so, and the FBI dutifully sent out a special agent to take the information down.

Mind you, we have evidence that Trump’s engaged in sex assaults (felonies), sexual harassment, tax fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud, conspiracy, and other assorted crimes for years - and the only reason he’s not currently indicted is that DOJ policy prevents it - and the DOJ is headed by a Trumpist who puts party above all else and who believes that an imperial presidency means never questioning anything the WH does, which can never be illegal.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:43:36pm

re: #53 Belafon

What’s the “crime spree” of which they accuse her?

Congressing while brown.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:45:09pm
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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:45:55pm

re: #53 Belafon

What’s the “crime spree” of which they accuse her?

Congressing While Muslim, I’m guessing…

SRSLY, vague hints of a “big scoop” from a Pajamas Media “reporter”??
Yeah, very credible…. ////

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:46:24pm
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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:46:47pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Well, he’s had a month of trying to process it. I’m still waiting for the bargaining phase of things…

No wait. I’m not. Because he’ll never get to that point and the GOP will cover for him by claiming no evidence of a crime when Trumpworld has been obstructing justice - the very reason the 2d Article is there.

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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:46:57pm

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Congressing while brown.

GMTA….

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:48:41pm

Unfu…

Nope. Totally fucking believable:

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makeitstop  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:52:59pm

re: #14 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m following it. Whole thing is insane.

Yeah, Beltran’s gone now.

I think they should strip the ‘Stros of their title, but it probably won’t happen.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:53:17pm

The right wing has been hitting the woo a lot harder recently, UFOs, secret tech, secret societies, etc. There has always been a right wing element in woo-world but a lot of new, and more mainstream, players are coming into it. I see this as part of their effort to discredit, and eventually destroy, the “Deep State” on behalf of the GRU and domestic dominionists and libertarian feudalists who want an end to federal regulation and law enforcement.

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:53:38pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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That has gonna be one difficult shit he’s having. If he doesn’t stop straining down, he’s liable to blow out his o-ring.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:55:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:56:38pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:57:38pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

The President spends over a minute denying he knows Lev Parnas

What will he claim when the tapes come out?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 12:59:01pm

re: #68 jaunte

What will he claim when the tapes come out?

FAKE NEWS!!111!!

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:06:19pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:06:57pm
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:07:42pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Which is an accepted legal term.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:10:02pm
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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:10:16pm

re: #72 jaunte

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Which is an accepted legal term.

Which? “Corroboration” or “up the wazoo”??
😜

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:10:39pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:14:20pm

bbiaw

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:18:42pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:20:48pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:22:02pm

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

Arizona with two Dem senators. Never thought I’d see that day. Westward bound we are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:22:43pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:23:25pm

re: #79 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Joe Arpaio is still alive. How I don’t know.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:24:36pm

re: #81 Dave In Austin

Joe Arpaio is still alive. How I don’t know.

Ha that would be hilarious if he ran as a spoiler.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:26:08pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:28:54pm

The truth shall set you free. Well, not everyone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:29:26pm

suck it, snowflake

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:29:50pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:30:57pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:33:42pm

re: #49 retired cynic

Watching on WaPo TV, they discussed this, and said there really is no penalty, unless it was political. Typical.

then its meaningless kabuki

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:33:46pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

suck it, snowflake

They’re losing this battle guys. This isn’t Mitch having fun fucking Garland over. This is Mitch knowing that even if Trump isn’t removed, he will be removed from office at the polls, Mitch himself could lose or just as bad the Republican majority itself would be threatened. Dunno, maybe karma finally is catching up to Mitch and he’s feeling the pressure. Pelosi is out-communicating him on this.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:34:41pm

re: #86 Patricia Kayden

If he had any half way decent people advising him, they’d tell him to knock that shit off because it’s not fucking funny and there’s no guarantee he’s getting a second term. God I hate this pathetic asshole so much.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:35:07pm

She’s not wrong.

Democrats should have been doing all they could to block those nominations from advancing (and yeah, I know the numbers mean the GOP can do whatever they want), but make this an even bigger stink given that the GOP blocked Obama nominations just because Obama was black.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:35:27pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:35:51pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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it aint just about the phone call
there’s that whole obstruction thing
but you go with that…

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:36:47pm

re: #62 lawhawk

Unfu…

Nope. Totally fucking believable:

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man never does any actual work

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:36:50pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

And here come the tapes.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:37:25pm

re: #91 lawhawk

She’s not wrong.

Democrats should have been doing all they could to block those nominations from advancing (and yeah, I know the numbers mean the GOP can do whatever they want), but make this an even bigger stink given that the GOP blocked Obama nominations just because Obama was black.

“Sorry Mitch, no judicial nominees for an impeachment in an election year, what’s that? it doesn’t say that in the Constituion, well ask Merrick Garland about that while we shut down your Federalist Society hacks and you and Kavanaugh can share a beer together or if you prefer to continue with your facade you have class, some bourbon.”

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:38:43pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:39:04pm

re: #94 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

man never does any actual work

But he’s working harder than anyone. Paul Bunyan said he was jealous of Trump’s strength. Seriously, if I had to describe this reality to someone who woke up from a coma without knowing what happened in November 2016, I’d tell them that basically Trump acts like a reality show’s idea of a President. This really is Mark Burnett’s new reality show, The Presidency and we the people of the world are all part of this bs somehow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:39:25pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:40:31pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

This isn’t going to end well for Mother’s Husband.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:42:14pm

*SNERK*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:43:03pm

re: #64 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Is it just me, or is Bill Mitchell’s pic looking even more like bad CGI? He’s definitely approaching the Uncanny Valley.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:43:16pm

re: #96 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

“Sorry Mitch, no judicial nominees for an impeachment in an election year, what’s that? it doesn’t say that in the Constituion, well ask Merrick Garland about that while we shut down your Federalist Society hacks and you and Kavanaugh can share a beer together or if you prefer to continue with your facade you have class, some bourbon.”

if mitch had any balls: “but we’re not contemplating removing him…”

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:43:28pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

suck it, snowflake

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Few things bring as much of a chuckle to me as Repubs trying to act offended by Dem “elitism.” Particularly when the guy they’ve chosen to bind themselves to has an apartment in NYC that has more golf leaf than a pimp’s bedroom.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:47:00pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Oswald” and “Cobblepot”

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:47:38pm
Bill Mitchell is now dedicating segments of his program to the topic of secret government mind control technology.

Bill Mitchell has nothing to worry about - nothing to control.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:50:39pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

Few things bring as much of a chuckle to me as Repubs trying to act offended by Dem “elitism.” Particularly when the guy they’ve chosen to bind themselves to has an apartment in NYC that has more golf leaf than a pimp’s bedroom.

He lived in a fucking tower named after himself. Joe Biden OTOH used to take the last train home to Wilmington when he was a young senator. I’m still not sold as Biden on the nominee but I think Trump definitely fears that Biden could get some of the voters that helped provide Trump’s margin of victory.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:55:55pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:58:07pm

cnn.com

Nunes is cracking. Now admits talking to Parnas.

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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 1:58:10pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

Few things bring as much of a chuckle to me as Repubs trying to act offended by Dem “elitism.” Particularly when the guy they’ve chosen to bind themselves to has an apartment in NYC that has more golf leaf than a pimp’s bedroom.

True: except “that guy” - for all his money - still has the personality of some dumbshit working-stiff from Queens: loud, abrasive, egocentric - and, as long as he directs his stream of assholish invective and insult towards those that GOPers (of whatever class) consider their “enemies” - they’ll ignore or rationalize away all of Trump’s failings.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:00:16pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:02:43pm

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:03:42pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:04:09pm

re: #107 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He lived in a fucking tower named after himself. Joe Biden OTOH used to take the last train home to Wilmington when he was a young senator. I’m still not sold as Biden on the nominee but I think Trump definitely fears that Biden could get some of the voters that helped provide Trump’s margin of victory.

which is why biden is appearing to reach across to those people

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:05:10pm

re: #109 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

cnn.com

Nunes is cracking. Now admits talking to Parnas.

he’s not too smart
deny, deny, deny
even when they have pictures

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:05:48pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:05:49pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:06:12pm

re: #114 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

which is why biden is appearing to reach across to those people

Yeah I get his gameplan.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:06:26pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

This is particularly shitty when you remember that Pompeo made a big song and dance months ago about how he would not allow State Dept staff to participate in the investigation because it would amount to “intimidation” of them.

that was just the ‘excuse’

the real reason: cause it would implicate all of us me

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BigPapa  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:06:55pm

I think Hyde is the typical nutter attracted to the Trump sphere, which is itself enough of a problem. At this point I’m inclined to believe Paranas in that Hyde was a shit talker and not actually conspiring with Russian proxies tracking and potentially targeting.

But, it should be investigated. Trust but verify.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:08:54pm

re: #120 BigPapa

I think Hyde is the typical nutter attracted to the Trump sphere, which is itself enough of a problem. At this point I’m inclined to believe Paranas in that Hyde was a shit talker and not actually conspiring with Russian proxies tracking and potentially targeting.

But, it should be investigated. Trust but verify.

Definitely. I think Hyde comes off as a zealous Trump fanboy but anything that involves threats at a US ambassador needs to be looked at.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:11:31pm

“an abandonment of responsibiity”

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:12:36pm

LOL this thread

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:12:49pm

rand paul

…warned Senate Republicans in an interview in The Hill that a vote to impeach President Trump would be a career-ending decision.

Said Paul: “When it comes to whether or not you’re going to impeach a president of your own party, particularly over a policy difference or whether or not he has lack of decorum or whatever, I think that’s something that a lot of voters will not excuse.”

either he doesnt understand the articles of impeachment…
nah, that cant be it
his real argument is he’s already decided - party before everything

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:14:13pm

re: #124 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

rand paul

either he doesnt understand the articles of impeachment…
nah, that cant be it
his real argument is he’s already decided - party before everything

He really is worse than his father. Rand will always choose what is good for his party over the country.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:15:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:17:42pm

re: #110 Jay C

True: except “that guy” - for all his money - still has the personality of some dumbshit working-stiff from Queens: loud, abrasive, egocentric - and, as long as he directs his stream of assholish invective and insult towards those that GOPers (of whatever class) consider their “enemies” - they’ll ignore or rationalize away all of Trump’s failings.

I was watching Brian Williams last night. He had Nick Christoff and Sheryl WuDunn, who have written a book on communities in America where the working class is losing hope, dying in unexpected numbers from opiates and other addictions, etc. One of the things Kristof said was about the American Right and their whole thing about “personal reponsibility”, blamign the people in these communities for their own problems. But he kinda ‘both-sidesed’ it, by saying some on the Left say they brought this on themselves voting for the GOP all this time.

The GOP is ACTIVELY working to make these people’s lives worse, with things like more stringent limits on SNAP and similar, while waxing lyrical about the “Dignity of Work”. Meanwhile the Democrats are trying to save their benefits, make education more affordable, increase their wages, and get them universal healthcare and reduced prescription drug prices. I have never heard any prominent Democrat suggest we should leave these folks to suffer because they voted GOP.

But beyond that, Trump got elected by appealing to these folks with the promise of bringing back the 1950s and punishing the people they imagined took away their prosperity. He’s done fuck all to achieve the first goal, and there’s NO WAY to go back there, anyway. It will never again be profitable to have the small factories in little towns all over exurban America, or even in bigger cities like Erie or Scranton. That time is GONE, and it isn’t because these folks have been replaced by an equal number of Chinese doing the same jobs in little towns there. But they’ll largely cling to Trump because he’s been working assiduously at the second goal, punishing the people they think are responsible.

I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s not going to be giving more money to the rich, making imported goods less affordable, and taking food out of struggling families’ mouths. Jobs are concentrating increasingly in the metro areas, and people will have to move to them. At the same time, all those people moving in will make housing even more unaffordable unless we build radically more housing where the jobs are. But even then, we can’t keep concentrating wealth and income at the top.

The Free Market won’t fix this.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:19:44pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:21:28pm

Fun!

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:23:42pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

Fun!

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the corner operators in The Wire were smarter about phones
and that was 2002-2008

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:25:10pm

re: #127 Blind Frog Belly White

I was watching Brian Williams last night. He had Nick Christoff and Sheryl WuDunn, who have written a book on communities in America where the working class is losing hope, dying in unexpected numbers from opiates and other addictions, etc. One of the things Kristof said was about the American Right and their whole thing about “personal reponsibility”, blamign the people in these communities for their own problems. But he kinda ‘both-sidesed’ it, by saying some on the Left say they brought this on themselves voting for the GOP all this time.

The GOP is ACTIVELY working to make these people’s lives worse, with things like more stringent limits on SNAP and similar, while waxing lyrical about the “Dignity of Work”. Meanwhile the Democrats are trying to save their benefits, make education more affordable, increase their wages, and get them universal healthcare and reduced prescription drug prices. I have never heard any prominent Democrat suggest we should leave these folks to suffer because they voted GOP.

But beyond that, Trump got elected by appealing to these folks with the promise of bringing back the 1950s and punishing the people they imagined took away their prosperity. He’s done fuck all to achieve the first goal, and there’s NO WAY to go back there, anyway. It will never again be profitable to have the small factories in little towns all over exurban America, or even in bigger cities like Erie or Scranton. That time is GONE, and it isn’t because these folks have been replaced by an equal number of Chinese doing the same jobs in little towns there. But they’ll largely cling to Trump because he’s been working assiduously at the second goal, punishing the people they think are responsible.

I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s not going to be giving more money to the rich, making imported goods less affordable, and taking food out of struggling families’ mouths. Jobs are concentrating increasingly in the metro areas, and people will have to move to them. At the same time, all those people moving in will make housing even more unaffordable unless we build radically more housing where the jobs are. But even then, we can’t keep concentrating wealth and income at the top.

The Free Market won’t fix this.

Besides, there’s a big difference between policy and thinking “Man those people are being idiotic for still voting Republican.” You are right though. The GOP has created this culture where people are to blame for all their misfortune. One thing that definitely impacted why I don’t trust corporate America is a member. My late grandmother’s big brother was a WWII veteran and a lifer at Bethlehem Steel. He was in the union and got his pension. He got sick from all the years in the mills. He died in 1996 so he wasn’t directly impacted by this but eventually Bethlehem took the pension away. The GOP and right wing economic policy in general is to tell people who need help “Sorry, but it’s evil if government does this”, this all coming from legislators who get their health care covered by the US taxpayer or pundits who wax poetic about “work” while being nothing but propagandists. I remember when we discussed Walker’s war on the teachers in Wisconsin and a certain former lizard showing no empathy at all to the teachers. You can disagree with the public unions needing to exist but the fact is they do exist and they had negoitated a pension. The GOP just doesn’t care about anyone;s welfare who isn’t in their donor case. Oh they pander to the less well off with symbolism but the Red Hats aren’t the ones benefiting economically from Trumpism but Trump and his cronies sure are.

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Florida Panhandler  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:25:56pm

re: #128 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Impeached President and Head of the Trump Crime Family, Donald Trump, is feeling the walls close in, the shoes dropping, and watching the cracks open up under him.

He’s only going to get more manic, flailing, and depressing to watch as November approaches.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:28:01pm

re: #70 lawhawk

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Folks, remember that Peter only denied JC 3 times…

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makeitstop  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:28:14pm

re: #122 jaunte

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“an abandonment of responsibiity”

By the time this trial is done, a lot of people are going to regret that Harris is no longer in the race.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:29:45pm

re: #134 makeitstop

By the time this trial is done, a lot of people are going to regret that Harris is no longer in the race.

At least Biden is the frontrunner at this point and Biden to his credit isn’t egotistical enough to be threatened by a running mate. I have problems with Biden but I respect his understanding of the office.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:30:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:31:53pm

re: #134 makeitstop

By the time this trial is done, a lot of people are going to regret that Harris is no longer in the race.

I’m pleased that she’s where she needs to be right now for this moment in history, instead of on the campaign trail.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:32:06pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:32:52pm

re: #132 Florida Panhandler

Impeached President and Head of the Trump Crime Family, Donald Trump, is feeling the walls close in, the shoes dropping, and watching the cracks open up under him.

He’s only going to get more manic, flailing, and depressing to watch as November approaches.

i hear popcorn’s an antidote
or bourbon

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:33:01pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m pleased that she’s where she needs to be right now for this moment in history, instead of on the campaign trail.

That’s true. She’s going to make the most of this and shine.

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:34:01pm

re: #138 jaunte

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What it smells like is Barr’s chosen hatchetman trying to make a case after the IG failed to do so.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:34:36pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Someone should tell the GOP they’d have a better chance of getting the guy who replaces Pence reelected if they’d remove Pence and then Trump..

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:34:53pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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that was the voice we sort of ‘ignored’ in 2016
never again

and in this case we have a real good feel, for the breadth and depth of what’s been covered up. when/if that dam bursts…

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:35:08pm

None of these criminals is even going to pause slightly in their ongoing lawbreaking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:35:17pm
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:36:11pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like he’s having some muscle problems handling his tongue.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:37:10pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:38:04pm

re: #142 Belafon

Someone should tell the GOP they’d have a better chance of getting the guy who replaces Pence reelected if they’d remove Pence and then Trump..

early last year maybe. too late now.
they’d never get anyone ‘acceptable’ nominated and approved by both houses

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:39:30pm

re: #147 jaunte

I watch a lot of Vice Documentaries mostly about the former Soviet SR’s since that part of the world has always interested me. Trump and his cronies really remind me of how Lukashenko, Kadyrov, etc among others act towards the democratic process and of course the media. I really think the only thing that has kept Trump from going more full on authoritarian are our existing institutions.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:40:02pm

re: #148 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

early last year maybe. too late now.
they’d never get anyone ‘acceptable’ nominated and approved by both houses

Yep no Gerald Fords in today’s GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:40:11pm

“EVERYBODY OUT! LET’S GO!”

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:45:18pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:45:31pm

re: #64 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:46:37pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:46:56pm

re: #112 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:49:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:50:02pm
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:50:10pm

Hiding from your constituents is now called “seeking assistance.”

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:50:50pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nixon was big on uniform design, too.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:51:28pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:52:48pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

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In other words, Donny is discussing with the Pentagon what the set pieces for his reelection campaign will look like.

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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:52:49pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn his hide.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:53:08pm

re: #159 jaunte

Nixon was big on uniform design, too.

He’s Pandora’s Nixon. So much like Nixon and so much not like Nixon. He’s got all of Nixon’s worst attributes and none of his better ones.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:53:30pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:53:30pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

In other words, Donny is discussing with the Pentagon what the set pieces for his reelection campaign will look like.

I can see him trying to get a political rally at a military base.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:53:35pm
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stpaulbear  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:53:55pm

re: #156 jaunte

Melissa Quinn
@MelissaQuinn97
Senators have been given a flashcard with suggested phrases to use to avoid reporters, per @caitlinconant and @Grace_Segers cbsnews.com

Emergency

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:54:14pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

This guy was considered by Bush too. Can we please get the fucking Federalist Society away from judicial nominations?

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:55:12pm
Trump met with Space Force officials yesterday to discuss “ideas for uniforms” and “mock-ups of Space Force logo options”

What will we name the cadets?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:55:19pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:56:30pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”

- David Frum

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:58:46pm

re: #153 Joe Bacon 🌹

Bill Mitchell looks like he should be a disguised alien from a Men In Black movie.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:58:58pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

“If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”

- David Frum

That’s what I’m afraid of. It’s been happening in small ways for years but Trump is likely going to be another PV loser. They have only won the PV once since 1992.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:59:38pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

Bill Mitchell looks like he should be a disguised alien from a Men In Black movie.

Trump too. In fact, I think Edgar got to Trump at some point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:59:47pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 2:59:55pm

re: #158 jaunte

Hiding from your constituents is now called “seeking assistance.”

Snowflakes need a safe space.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:01:46pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, juries are normally pretty much instructed to not discuss the case while the trial in on-going. And would you hold reporters generally responsible enough to not ask questions about the proceedings?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:05:42pm

sure, jan…

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:07:06pm

Okay, I just got home, turned on the TV and phone because I was in a deposition. 4 plus hours of a good professional trying to get me to somehow undermine an expert witness report I wrote. News blackout. Did I miss anything? lol.

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KGxvi  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:07:33pm

re: #173 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s what I’m afraid of. It’s been happening in small ways for years but Trump is likely going to be another PV loser. They have only won the PV once since 1992.

There needs to be a real movement to finally scrape the electoral college. The interstate compact is nice, but all it takes is one state to pull out after it goes into effect to put us back where we are.

Direct election, all citizens regardless of residency, it makes sense.

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:09:05pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Translation: The fix is in and she’s on the same page as Yertle to use “lack of evidence” as an excuse to vote against witnesses/documents, declaring that she totally would have voted for such if the House hadn’t “rushed.”

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:10:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:10:13pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:11:21pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Let SHREWSAN commit political suicide on live TV. Fine with me. She’s decided to go down on the Trumptanic!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:11:54pm

re: #180 KGxvi

There needs to be a real movement to finally scrape the electoral college. The interstate compact is nice, but all it takes is one state to pull out after it goes into effect to put us back where we are.

Direct election, all citizens regardless of residency, it makes sense.

That’s my thought too. They claim it will favor the bigger states but right now it means you can as Trump did lose the popular vote by close to three million votes- bigger than a third of our states and still win. The EC wasn’t drawn up with the idea we would have 50 states and 300 million plus people living here.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:18:09pm

re: #182 Dread Pirate

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JFC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:19:32pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:23:53pm

Right-wing Watch. The GOP crazy-train gets longer and takes on more stops every day.

Oh, well, more work for the IRS once the Democrats move back into the White House.
God Told Hank Kunneman That Mike Pence Will Be President in 2024

“The church needs a born-again, Holy Ghost tongue-speaking president in the White House. We all want that.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:24:28pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:26:01pm
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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:27:25pm

re: #190 gocart mozart

“very smart”

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stpaulbear  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:28:35pm

re: #188 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Right-wing Watch. The GOP crazy-train gets longer and takes on more stops every day.

Oh, well, more work for the IRS once the Democrats move back into the White House.
God Told Hank Kunneman That Mike Pence Will Be President in 2024

I can’t imagine Pence ever speaking in tongues. He can lie like an SOB, but he’s always so self-conscientiously under control. He doesn’t seem to do anything spontaneously.

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piratedan  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:31:42pm

I can understand the siren call of holding out hope that someone, anyone, in today’s GOP will actually look at the evidence provided and vote for removal but when I look down the laundry list of characters, can you find four to five Senators that would actually do it?

These guys have already allowed legal nobodies to be federal judges, watched Trump put kids in cages, separated them from the families, violate asylum and immigration laws, kills foreign leaders without notification of Congress, allowed the brutal murder of a Saudi journalist living in America, built a wall using defense department funds, violation of the emoluments clause, listened to him admit to the crimes in the phone call, surround himself with people who have already been convicted of various and sundry crimes and call upon a foreign power to hack his political opponents and a few other things like violation of campaign finance laws to pay off porn stars while campaigning for the office of the Presidency…

I figure if they can let treason and everything else pass, why not extortion and advocating the assault of federal employees… makes obstruction of justice seem almost quaint.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:35:12pm

re: #185 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s my thought too. They claim it will favor the bigger states but right now it means you can as Trump did lose the popular vote by close to three million votes- bigger than a third of our states and still win. The EC wasn’t drawn up with the idea we would have 50 states and 300 million plus people living here.

Theoretically, you can lose the popular vote by over 30 million votes and still win the election, thanks to the EC.

During a luncheon yesterday, I had the distinct displeasure of sitting across from a woman who babbled the usual nonsense about how, without the EC, all decisions would be made by the large states — and the small states wouldn’t have any say. I had another appointment so did not have time to engage her; only said that each vote should have the same weight and then was forced to depart.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:35:45pm

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:36:02pm

re: #190 gocart mozart

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Yeah it’s all Obama’s fault. Let’s ignore that the AG is literally the guy who swept Iran-Contra under the table. Obama wasn’t doing shit like this.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:36:29pm

re: #194 Hecuba’s daughter

She would have a different opinion if the small states were populated mostly by black and brown people.

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makeitstop  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:36:57pm

‘I don’t know the guy.’

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:37:25pm

re: #188 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Right-wing Watch. The GOP crazy-train gets longer and takes on more stops every day.

Oh, well, more work for the IRS once the Democrats move back into the White House.
God Told Hank Kunneman That Mike Pence Will Be President in 2024

2024’s gonna be fun if Trump loses. I can see him trying to run again.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:37:37pm

re: #190 gocart mozart

Matt really wants to call Obama a “N-CLANG”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:38:22pm

re: #198 makeitstop

“I never met this man who has appeared in a dozen photos with me. Never.”

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:39:39pm
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Mike Lamb  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:39:44pm

re: #190 gocart mozart

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So how do they propose to get elected again?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:40:01pm

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

“I never met this man who has appeared in a dozen photos with me. Never.”

I mean once I could see “Okay just the usual pic with a President.” But this? This is totally on Trump turning Mar Al Lago into pay tons of money to get Trump’s to do your wants.

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KGxvi  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:40:45pm

re: #185 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s my thought too. They claim it will favor the bigger states but right now it means you can as Trump did lose the popular vote by close to three million votes- bigger than a third of our states and still win. The EC wasn’t drawn up with the idea we would have 50 states and 300 million plus people living here.

There’s an argument that the electoral college is a major contributor to low turnout. If you’re a Republican in California, your vote is essentially meaningless. Similarly, if you’re a Democrat in Wyoming, your vote is equally meaningless.

Because it’s winner take all for electoral votes, there’s no point in putting any effort into GOTV efforts if you’re going to lose by 15 or 20 points in a state. But if it’s a national popular vote, a Republican doesn’t necessarily need to close the 20 point gap in California to win; they just have to make it closer. Same goes for a Democrat in Texas or other smaller states.

Beyond that, the EC was conceived within a framework where the States were seen as “sovereign” if not on par with the federal government, then close to it. It’s also why the Senate wasn’t directly elected either. The idea was that the States as States separate from “the people” were parties to the constitution as a contract. Think of it like the legal personhood we give businesses.

However, over the last 230 years or so, the idea of state sovereignty has eroded. Both from a cultural viewpoint and from a legal viewpoint.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:41:10pm

It’s also why blaming Obama for any of this is pathetic. Obama respected the office not to turn it into a joke where Russian mob associates could be found in proximity.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:41:37pm

re: #199 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

2024’s gonna be fun if Trump loses. I can see him trying to run again.

He’s going to be in a mental hospital to stay out of jail. And even if the feds don’t go after him, several states will, plus the lawsuits. He’s going to be in pain. If only there was a word in German to describe how I’m going to feel seeing trump in distress.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:41:38pm

re: #205 KGxvi

There’s an argument that the electoral college is a major contributor to low turnout. If you’re a Republican in California, your vote is essentially meaningless. Similarly, if you’re a Democrat in Wyoming, your vote is equally meaningless.

Because it’s winner take all for electoral votes, there’s no point in putting any effort into GOTV efforts if you’re going to lose by 15 or 20 points in a state. But if it’s a national popular vote, a Republican doesn’t necessarily need to close the 20 point gap in California to win; they just have to make it closer. Same goes for a Democrat in Texas or other smaller states.

Beyond that, the EC was conceived within a framework where the States were seen as “sovereign” if not on par with the federal government, then close to it. It’s also why the Senate wasn’t directly elected either. The idea was that the States as States separate from “the people” were parties to the constitution as a contract. Think of it like the legal personhood we give businesses.

However, over the last 230 years or so, the idea of state sovereignty has eroded. Both from a cultural viewpoint and from a legal viewpoint.

Exactly

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:42:17pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

Translation: The fix is in and she’s on the same page as Yertle to use “lack of evidence” as an excuse to vote against witnesses/documents, declaring that she totally would have voted for such if the House hadn’t “rushed.”

As it’s not an actual court, “It’s too late to consider this stuff” is not gonna cut it

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:42:35pm

re: #207 I Would Prefer Not To

He’s going to be in a mental hospital to stay out of jail. And even if the feds don’t go after him, several states will, plus the lawsuits. He’s going to be in pain. If only there was a word in German to describe how I’m going to feel seeing trump in distress.

Debs was able to run from prison. But yes I’m hoping they have a word too. Maybe we should ask Merkel.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:43:13pm

re: #209 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

As it’s not an actual court, “It’s too late to consider this stuff” is not gonna cut it

Precisely

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:44:49pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

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My donations to Warren are well spent.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:47:23pm

re: #188 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“The church needs a born-again, Holy Ghost tongue-speaking president in the White House. We all want that.”

I was forced to sit through endless Foursquare Church services and I can attest that ANY ASSHOLE can suddenly start babbling in tongues!

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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:50:01pm

re: #213 Joe Bacon 🌹

“The church needs a born-again, Holy Ghost tongue-speaking president in the White House. We all want that.”

I was forced to sit through endless Foursquare Church services and I can attest that ANY ASSHOLE can suddenly start babbling in tongues!

Yabba dabba doo!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:50:11pm

What’s ironic is during the Revolutionary era the Evangelical Christians were more inclined towards republicanism. Seems a lot of them want a theological monarchy now tho.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:51:44pm

re: #197 jaunte

She would have a different opinion if the small states were populated mostly by black and brown people.

Maybe — but there are too many people who have fallen in the trap of Tara Ross’ book “Why We Need the Electoral College ” (which I have not and will not read — she also apparently has another book dealing the same topic) which idealizes the EC. My guess is more that if the EC caused Republicans to lose, she would adopt the opposite viewpoint.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:51:54pm

re: #215 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

What’s ironic is during the Revolutionary era the Evangelical Christians were more inclined towards republicanism. Seems a lot of them want a theological monarchy now tho.

The Baptists were one of the leading proponents of separation of Church and State. Too much experience with national religions in Europe and the official state religions in some of the colonies.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:53:02pm

I haven’t read the article yet, but raise your hand if your first thought was “now do Trump.”

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:53:30pm

Still silent on the stalking of Ambassador Yovanovitch…

Why is he doing PR for the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:54:09pm

re: #207 I Would Prefer Not To

He’s going to be in a mental hospital to stay out of jail. And even if the feds don’t go after him, several states will, plus the lawsuits. He’s going to be in pain. If only there was a word in German to describe how I’m going to feel seeing trump in distress.

And too old

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steve_davis  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:54:44pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:55:12pm

re: #218 Barefoot Grin

I haven’t read the article yet, but raise your hand if your first thought was “now do Trump.”

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May not be too long…

The program, created by the 2017 GOP tax bill, allows investors to defer taxes on capital gains if they’re reinvested in a real estate project or business located in one of nearly 9,000 qualified census tracts. Any capital gains from those investments will be untaxed if they’re held for more than 10 years, a tax giveaway worth $7.7 billion through 2022, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Among those who have moved to take advantage of the program are the investment firm Cadre, part-backed by Trump’s son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner, which solicits investments for “opportunity zones.” CNN also reported in 2018 that Kushner’s family real estate firm Kushner Companies could also benefit from the program.

The company and associated entities, which already owned properties in a New Jersey area that was designated this year as an opportunity zone, had at the time spent more than $13 million buying new properties that would be eligible for the tax break, according to Monmouth County public records.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:56:36pm

re: #214 retired cynic

Yabba dabba doo!

I don’t worry about Sharia Law In America because the Muslims I know just want to live the American dream. I do favor a theological theocracy in the name of Evangelical Christianity because people like this are constantly advocating for it with Republicans help.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:57:13pm

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

May not be too long…

The program, created by the 2017 GOP tax bill, allows investors to defer taxes on capital gains if they’re reinvested in a real estate project or business located in one of nearly 9,000 qualified census tracts. Any capital gains from those investments will be untaxed if they’re held for more than 10 years, a tax giveaway worth $7.7 billion through 2022, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Among those who have moved to take advantage of the program are the investment firm Cadre, part-backed by Trump’s son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner, which solicits investments for “opportunity zones.” CNN also reported in 2018 that Kushner’s family real estate firm Kushner Companies could also benefit from the program.

The company and associated entities, which already owned properties in a New Jersey area that was designated this year as an opportunity zone, had at the time spent more than $13 million buying new properties that would be eligible for the tax break, according to Monmouth County public records.

Wow. You mean that strapping lad on the cover of “Time” is connected?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:58:00pm

re: #217 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

The Baptists were one of the leading proponents of separation of Church and State. Too much experience with national religions in Europe and the official state religions in some of the colonies.

Yep and now their descendants want the same. It’s madness. It’s why I as a nominal Catholic want to smack Santorum and other wingnut Catholics whenever they complains about church and state.

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steve_davis  Jan 16, 2020 • 3:58:23pm

re: #15 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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Apparently, their appeal was international.

is it a fair assumption to believe the furry black haired one is modeled after jerry garcia?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:02:10pm

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe — but there are too many people who have fallen in the trap of Tara Ross’ book “Why We Need the Electoral College ” (which I have not and will not read — she also apparently has another book dealing the same topic) which idealizes the EC. My guess is more that if the EC caused Republicans to lose, she would adopt the opposite viewpoint.

Whether or not SHE would, her many admirers would.

Relatedly, if there’s one thing that burns my biscuits, it’s some goober telling me that I don’t like the EC because I don’t understand it. I understand it PERFECTLY, and I think it’s stupid. I thought it was stupid when I first heard it explained in 9th grade Civics class, and I have continued to think it was stupid since. It has ALWAYS been a system for giving some Americans a larger voice in choosing the President simply because of where they live. We’re not an 18th Century agrarian republic comprised of semi-independent former colonies with full rights only for white male landowners anymore. We should stop trying to govern ourselves like one.

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CarolJ  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:03:41pm

re: #194 Hecuba’s daughter

The EC isn’t working for the smaller states now. When was the last time either party tried to work hard for the votes of the smaller states? A popular vote would at least incentivize parties to send organizers to these states, and to parts of the now unitary states that have a significant number of their voters. Nobody reaches out to California Republicans or Mississippi Democrats: their states are foregone conclusions now. And as for those who are upset at NYC and LA picking their Presidents: they need to remember cities aren’t that monolithic now anyway.

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steve_davis  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:04:40pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:05:45pm

This is a diet I could follow:

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:06:17pm

re: #207 I Would Prefer Not To

He’s going to be in a mental hospital to stay out of jail. And even if the feds don’t go after him, several states will, plus the lawsuits. He’s going to be in pain. If only there was a word in German to describe how I’m going to feel seeing trump in distress.

He’ll be in care, in hospice, or be planted. I’m not even sure he could survive inauguration.

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makeitstop  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:07:13pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

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Wait - does that mean her maiden name was Elizabeth Reed?

Allman Brothers fans, take note. :)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:08:04pm

The founders were afraid of the bigger states dominating but that really hasn’t been a thing. Texas and California are at opposite ends of many polarizing issues. Small Rhode Island has more in common philosophically with Cali just like small Wyoming has more with Texas. I think the Founders didn’t anticipate the politics of a modern Republic. Remember that a lot of what they were reading was theory by people who had read about Athens and Rome but they didn’t live it. They either lived in a limited monarchy like Locke did in England or an absolute one like Voltaire.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:13:18pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:17:17pm

But she won’t

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:17:39pm

re: #230 Barefoot Grin

This is a diet I could follow:

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What, so 15-20 Martinis?

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:18:06pm

Hmmm. I wonder why.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:18:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:21:02pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:21:17pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

I had to block about 3/4 of the comments

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:21:20pm

re: #237 Patricia Kayden

Hmmm. I wonder why.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:23:56pm

re: #223 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t worry about Sharia Law In America because the Muslims I know just want to live the American dream. I do favor a theological theocracy in the name of Evangelical Christianity because people like this are constantly advocating for it with Republicans help.

Would “UU Sharia Law” be “believe whatever you want to believe”?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:24:48pm

re: #225 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep and now their descendants want the same. It’s madness. It’s why I as a nominal Catholic want to smack Santorum and other wingnut Catholics whenever they complains about church and state.

Desire for power blinding them to history, fairness, and I would argue common sense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:26:16pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:31:40pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:32:28pm

re: #192 stpaulbear

I can’t imagine Pence ever speaking in tongues. He can lie like an SOB, but he’s always so self-conscientiously under control. He doesn’t seem to do anything spontaneously.

It’s gross, but I can easily imagine Pence speaking in tongues — e.g., if he takes a ride in a sling or otherwise undoes decades of severe sexual repression in one wild night.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:39:04pm

Radio Host With Ties to Trump Campaign Suggests Charging Security Barricades at Richmond Gun Rally: ‘What Are They Going to Do?’

John Fredericks, an influential Virginia radio host connected to President Donald Trump’s campaign, joined former Milwaukee sheriff David Clarke Jr. in suggesting that the thousands of people expected to descend on Richmond, Virginia, for a contentious pro-gun rally Monday should charge through the police lines securing the capitol against credible threats of extremist violence.

Ok, looks like a job for the Weed-Cannon Armored Riot Vehicle that I proposed a few years ago. Get one of those water-cannon riot control trucks the Euro-cops use. Replace the water tank and pumps with a high pressure incinerator connected to steerable nozzles on the cab. Load it with confiscated bales of marijuana. When the crazed goober-horde attacks, ignite the fuel (perhaps with the help of oxygen injectors) and hose the mob down with the clouds of billowing smoke. In no time at all, they will be lounging on the pavement begging for Doritos, Oreos and Kit-Kat bars.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:39:53pm

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

She should just roll them in powdered cheetos first.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:43:43pm

re: #247 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Radio Host With Ties to Trump Campaign Suggests Charging Security Barricades at Richmond Gun Rally: ‘What Are They Going to Do?’

Ok, looks like a job for the Weed-Cannon Armored Riot Vehicle that I proposed a few years ago. Get one of those water-cannon riot control trucks the Euro-cops use. Replace the water tank and pumps with a high pressure incinerator connected to steerable nozzles on the cab. Load it with confiscated bales of marijuana. When the crazed goober-horde attacks, ignite the fuel (perhaps with the help of oxygen injectors) and hose the mob down with the clouds of billowing smoke. In no time at all, they will be lounging on the pavement begging for Doritos, Oreos and Kit-Kat bars.

Oh but I remember Clarke being so outraged at people protesting police killings. Really if you’re more bothered by 21st century sensible gun laws than people getting killed by cops, kindly kiss my ass.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:49:33pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:50:06pm

re: #247 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Isn’t that almost the textbook meaning of “inciting a riot”? Or did they simply couch the suggestion in the “I’m just asking questions!” excuse?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:52:00pm

re: #236 Blind Frog Belly White

What, so 15-20 Martinis?

No. Only four or five. You can get a lot of olives on one of those cocktail swords.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:53:23pm

re: #250 Dread Pirate

As I’ve said, they are the swamp. They went after Ambassador Yovanovich, a dedicated professional diplomat with a history of going after corruption.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:53:23pm
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:54:27pm

Donald Trump was only looking for money when he crashed the teen pageant dressing room.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:55:05pm

re: #254 jaunte

You can pray all you want for me Mercedes, I’m never voting for Trump or wanting anything to do with your shitty ideology that hides behind the flag while screwing over the average American to give the people who fund your fucked up excuse of a party unnecessary tax cuts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 4:58:11pm

more cold junk food, STAT…

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:01:34pm
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:03:49pm

Stephen Miller should not be free.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:05:15pm

re: #259 jaunte

Stephen Miller should not be free.

They just don’t care because the kids don’t look like them. Fucking nativism. It’s a blight.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:05:52pm

It’s monstrous, and we know the people directly responsible.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:08:00pm

re: #125 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He really is worse than his father. Rand will always choose what is good for his party over the country.

Sometimes, with that chucklefuck, I think even party over country isn’t a hard and fast rule. I think he simply always chooses whatever is the douchiest, most assholish option. That just happens to coincide with “party over country” a lot.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:08:45pm

re: #261 jaunte

It’s monstrous, and we know the people directly responsible.

It angers me so much. It goes against everything we’re supposed to stand for. And the fucking hypocrisy of Trump who uses illegal immigrants at his businesses and pays them a shitty wage and then when the truth gets out that yeah he employs undocumented people, he fires them. Shit isn’t right.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:10:26pm

re: #262 Jebediah, RBG

Sometimes, with that chucklefuck, I think even party over country isn’t a hard and fast rule. I think he simply always chooses whatever is the douchiest, most assholish option. That just happens to coincide with “party over country” a lot.

I am proud to say that I have never seen anything redeemable about the Pauls. Oh Ron Paul opposed the war in Iraq? That’s nice, so did David Duke, I’m not rushing to think he’s an insightful guy because of that. Rand despite his claim to be all about individual liberty and rights is anything but. He’s a paleocon asshole who is fine with authoritarianism if it’s done his way.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:11:53pm

re: #237 Patricia Kayden

Hmmm. I wonder why.

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She looks like Aunt Lydia.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:12:55pm

Harry seems to have gotten most of the hair. Perhaps we should spell it “Hairy.” (Btw, the princes’ medals are legit.)

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:14:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:15:20pm
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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:15:32pm

re: #266 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Harry seems to have gotten most of the hair. Perhaps we should spell it “Hairy.” (Btw, the princes’ medals are legit.)

William Wales was a civilian medevac pilot for years. No bone spurs there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:20:29pm

re: #269 William Lewis

William Wales was a civilian medevac pilot for years. No bone spurs there.

And Harry served two tours in Afghanistan, including a four-month combat tour as a co-pilot and gunner for an Apache helicopter.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:21:52pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jamie is really running a nice campaign.

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stpaulbear  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:25:10pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

There was a pizza place in my neighborhood that never had it’s ovens turned on. They got busted.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:25:16pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:25:35pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:25:40pm
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:28:38pm

re: #275 Patricia Kayden

Lobbyists.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:28:42pm

It feels like quite the coincidence when the specter of Brexit fracturing the empire is on the horizon and public announcements that England is looking towards other allies than the US for comfort that a member of the family is leaving. For Canada, their most important last Man standing. I think it’s to draw Canada closer and also keeping an eye on the us.

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aatharuv  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:29:10pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

There’s this big white mansion in a small city on the other side of my country.
It’s supposed to be a governmental office of sorts, but the person in charge of the office is out of the office, reportedly “golfing”, and spending the rest of the time insulting people on twitter. He even hired his family members.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:29:41pm

Every month the GOP pays the Trump organization for an evening in which they plot the next theft of taxpayer money.

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sagehen  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:30:22pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

more cold junk food, STAT…

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HOW DARE THEY WEAR LAKERS COLORS!!!

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Amory Blaine  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:30:32pm

re: #274 The Pie Overlord!

Dang, must be good. Couldn’t even snap a pic with it whole. Is it gone now?

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:31:16pm

So, ‘no casualties’ was another Trump lie.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:36:21pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:38:35pm

OT: But is there any evidence that Trump is not accepting his salary? Yes, anyone who isn’t a moron knows that he is making a fortune off government payments to his properties when he travels there and foreign and domestic visits to his properties because he’s president. But what about his claim that he is accepting no salary?

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sagehen  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:38:54pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Harry served two tours in Afghanistan, including a four-month combat tour as a co-pilot and gunner for an Apache helicopter.

Grandma Queen was a truck mechanic in WWII.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:39:02pm

re: #283 jaunte

But did Trump lie? All is well for him because he has unanimous Republican support no matter what he does. That’s all that matters to him.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:40:40pm

re: #286 Patricia Kayden

I keep forgetting how tiny his “all” is.

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Citizen K  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:41:54pm

re: #284 Hecuba’s daughter

OT: But is there any evidence that Trump is not accepting his salary? Yes, anyone who isn’t a moron knows that he is making a fortune off government payments to his properties when he travels there and foreign and domestic visits to his properties because he’s president.

None that I’ve seen, much less that he supposedly reallocates it anywhere it would do any good. That said, his emoluments are enough that even if he did, he’s basically embezzling anyhow, which feels like in any sane world would possibly be even more damning. But, you know, we live in a world that already elected Donald Trump, so…

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:45:27pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:46:38pm

Trump also stole the Assad base Patriot Missile Defense System and rented it to Saudi Arabia to protect their oil refineries for money that is unaccounted for.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:48:35pm

re: #290 Dread Pirate

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:49:14pm

re: #290 Dread Pirate

Trump also stole the Assad base Patriot Missile Defense System and rented it to Saudi Arabia to protect their oil refineries for money that is unaccounted for.

“I like Saudi Arabia. They pay their bills!”

“Unlike you.”

“Yeah! Hey, wait a second….”

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 5:51:10pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:02:09pm

re: #293 jaunte

So it was shoot to kill, not shoot to thrill.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:04:35pm

re: #294 Rightwingconspirator

Sounds like even with plenty of warning and Iranians not deliberately targeting personnel, being anywhere near an exploding military weapon is dangerous.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:06:19pm
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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:06:48pm

re: #282 jaunte

For a lot of people, casualty means death.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:08:47pm
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:11:22pm

re: #297 Belafon

They’re doing English wrong.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:13:49pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:14:51pm

re: #295 jaunte

Well my take is more like this.
They hit troop barracks directly. That’s shoot to kill. Not a lot of troops but a demonstrative few dozen, which btw they claimed to have done. They fired less than 20 missiles, which to me might really be the best measure of their restraint. I’m pretty sure they were fine with taking out that barracks with our people in there. The warning? Pro forma for Iraqis. I can’t imagine them being ignorant of our ability to detect and track missiles on our own.

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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:15:53pm
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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:16:04pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:16:58pm

Damn. Just remembered a traumatic brain injury is how we lost one of our best here. Obdicut. Long-time Lizards might remember he and I sparring with some interesting topics back when. HT Obdi.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:21:02pm

Perry just got implicated even harder. Watching Rachel p2

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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:22:17pm

re: #293 jaunte

Question unlikely to be asked:
Just out of curiosity, why did it take the Army a whole week to finally medevac those injured troops?

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:23:21pm

re: #306 Jay C

They may have done it a day later. Hard to know what to trust.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:23:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:24:44pm

Yes, this is me replying to Kellyanne Conway’s husband, which is weird, but hardly the weirdest thing happening.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:27:15pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:27:42pm

Ballistic missiles are lethal. For one thing, the kinetic energy of the descending warhead is added to the explosive energy of the charge when the warhead detonates. On short-range and some medium range missiles this means the energy of the whole missile body, since these do not usually have a separating warhead. This can be a very substantial amount of extra bang unless the missile has been deliberately slowed during its terminal descent.
It isn’t too well known today, but Egypt had some minor success with the original short-range R-17 Elbrus “Scud” during the late stages of the Yom Kippur war of 1973. Unlike Saddam’s later extended range Scud, which sacrificed a great deal of warhead weight and accuracy for range, these retained full designed capability. Accuracy was still nothing to brag about, but it was usable against some targets.

The first recorded combat use of the Scud was at the end of the Yom Kippur War in 1973, when three missiles were fired by Egypt against the Israeli Arish and bridgehead on the western bank of the Suez canal. Seven Israeli soldiers were killed.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:28:08pm
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aatharuv  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:29:22pm

re: #310 The Pie Overlord!

He can follow in the footsteps of Mr. 40 and say “I can’t remember” a 100 times.

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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:30:35pm

re: #309 Charles Johnson

Yes, this is me replying to Kellyanne Conway’s husband, which is weird, but hardly the weirdest thing happening.

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Also, wouldn’t Trump have wanted to publicize, not cover up injuries - if only so he could milk the incident for whatever sympathy (and anti-Iranian demonization) he (and/or the Admin) could gin up along with the usual war hysteria….?

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:32:54pm

re: #314 Jay C

He had no plan.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:38:07pm

I has a question. Is Paula White bringing in groups of people on a regular (daily?) basis to pray over Dufus?

I’m thinking she is…..

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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:39:28pm
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makeitstop  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:39:36pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:43:46pm

Don Jr just got implicated.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:43:48pm

re: #313 aatharuv

He can follow in the footsteps of Mr. 40 and say “I can’t remember” a 100 times.

He will never do that, even though his lawyers, as incompetent as they are, recommend it, because he has the “world’s greatest, best memory of all time”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:49:41pm

Another little known fact about the history of missile warfare. During World War 2, the strategic Belgian port city of Antwerp was actually more heavily targeted by German V-weapons than London. This included both V-1s and V-2s but the ballistic V-2s were more lethal due to the lack of warning. A single V-2 hit on the Rex Cinema killed 567 people when the missile struck during a sold-out performance of The Plainsman with Randolph Scott. Another 250 or so were injured.

Antwerp: City of Sudden Death

During the V-weapon onslaught, over a period of 175 days and nights, the German launching crews fired more than 4,000 V-1s and more than 1,700 V-2s at greater Antwerp. Of those, 106 V-1s and 107 V-2s hit the heart of the city. During that period more than 3,700 civilians were killed and some 6,000 injured in the provence of Antwerp.

In addition, several hundred allied soldiers were killed (more than half the victims at the Rex were off-duty military personnel.)

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:49:47pm

re: #320 The Pie Overlord!

He will never do that, even though his lawyers, as incompetent as they are, recommend it, because he has the “world’s greatest, best memory of all time”

It would be so easy to goad him into talking.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:50:05pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

Bill Mitchell looks like he should be a disguised alien from a Men In Black movie.

Omg yes!

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:56:41pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 6:57:26pm

Is Trump going to not show up for his own trial? Isn’t he required to be there, even if he doesn’t have to testify in his own defense? I would love to see him wheeled in on a handcart like Hannibal Lechter.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:00:58pm

re: #325 The Pie Overlord!

Love to see that!
I think it’s clear Trump is a serial lawbreaker and bully. When a sex offender is arrested there is an effort to find other victims. When it is a serial killer, police look at unsolved killings to see which connect. Any cop will tell you for each conviction there are many crimes unprosecuted by a criminal.

When do we start going around the world bringing the other victims, ummm sovereign nations get sought out for the fact-finding?

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:03:34pm
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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:05:48pm

re: #327 The Pie Overlord!

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Five hours?
Surprised it took them so long…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:08:38pm

I’ve been watching Rachel tonight. I can say that Trump attorneys “representing” Lev Parnas to get him to participate in the cover-up is extremely illegal and unethical.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:12:45pm
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Belafon  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:12:59pm

re: #325 The Pie Overlord!

Is Trump going to not show up for his own trial? Isn’t he required to be there, even if he doesn’t have to testify in his own defense? I would love to see him wheeled in on a handcart like Hannibal Lechter.

I don’t think Clinton had to be there when he was on trial.

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VegasGolfer  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:16:10pm

re: #331 Belafon

But they used Clinton’s testimony, which at a minimum they should get trumps testimony

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:18:37pm

re: #284 Hecuba’s daughter

He claims that he donates his quarterly check to charities ** blowing wine out of my nose from laughter **, but he has never produced any evidence that he has done so. No canceled check, etc. Therefore, we can say with confidence that he has never donated one penny. Of course if he had, we would know if we saw his tax returns.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:27:26pm
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:29:09pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:29:26pm

re: #262 Jebediah, RBG

Sometimes, with that chucklefuck, I think even party over country isn’t a hard and fast rule. I think he simply always chooses whatever is the douchiest, most assholish option. That just happens to coincide with “party over country” a lot.

Nope.

#1 How will this benefit ME $$$$$$$$$$.
#2 How will this benefit the party $$$$$$.
#3 How will this benefit the Country $$.

#3 Only because he has to throw a bone to the plebes to keep them placated.

It’s a formula they (repubs) all adhere to.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:30:00pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:31:51pm

re: #324 Dread Pirate

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WC-135 Constant Phoenix

The WC-135 Constant Phoenix is a special-purpose aircraft derived from the Boeing C-135 Stratolifter and used by the United States Air Force. Its mission is to collect samples from the atmosphere for the purpose of detecting and identifying nuclear explosions. It is also informally referred to as the “weather bird” or “the sniffer” by workers on the program and international media respectively.

The WC-135 was introduced in December 1965, replacing Boeing WB-50 aircraft in the weather-reconnaissance and air-sampling mission
*snip*
On operational sorties, the crew is minimized to just pilots, navigator, and special-equipment operators, to reduce radiation exposure to mission-essential personnel only.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:35:56pm

re: #10 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

My favourite Fat Freddie’s Cat cartoon.

(Cockroach runs out from under fridge)

(Cat grabs it) Got ya, cockroach.

(Cockroach) Rather than suffer the indignity of being tortured to death by a sadistic pussycat I shall take this cyanide pill! (He does so and dies)

(Cat) Jesus! I’m glad he wasn’t wearing a dynamite belt.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:38:57pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:45:48pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:02:45pm

re: #335 jaunte

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Lumpy isn’t very smart is he?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:32:06pm

re: #304 Rightwingconspirator

Damn. Just remembered a traumatic brain injury is how we lost one of our best here. Obdicut. Long-time Lizards might remember he and I sparring with some interesting topics back when. HT Obdi.

You guys did spar but it was respectful I recall. RIP Obdi.

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Jay C  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:34:52pm

re: #340 Dread Pirate

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So what did the last “Comey leaks” investigation turn up?
Bupkis, IIRC, but I’m sure that won’t stop them….

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:42:24am

re: #64 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The right wing has been hitting the woo a lot harder recently, UFOs, secret tech, secret societies, etc. There has always been a right wing element in woo-world but a lot of new, and more mainstream, players are coming into it. I see this as part of their effort to discredit, and eventually destroy, the “Deep State” on behalf of the GRU and domestic dominionists and libertarian feudalists who want an end to federal regulation and law enforcement.

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He’s safe. You need a mind for something like that to work on you.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:23:07am

re: #156 jaunte

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This transparency is blinding me.


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