The Bob Cesca Podcast: Cocaine With Don Junior

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Cocaine With Don Junior — NSFW! TRex David Ferguson is here today; Bob’s trip to Colorado; Impeachment articles delivered to the Senate; The Game of Thrones Walk of Sh*t; Lev Parnas’s shocking interview with Rachel Maddow; The president knew exactly what was going on; Everyone was in the loop; Trump threatened to withhold everything; The plot to assassinate Yovanovitch; FBI agents investigating Robert Hyde; GOA says the White House broke the law; With music by Richard Turgeon and Self Animation; and more!

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BeachDem  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:45:47pm

Amy was so good on Lawrence—felt compelled to send her $50 in support.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:46:06pm

CL’ed

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:52:32pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:54:31pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 16, 2020 • 7:59:42pm

Night all. See you in the morning.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:04:20pm

re: #4 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Protection yes. God this is scary.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:10:27pm

I truly fear what will happen in Richmond with the Tiny Penis Club Hissy Fit Party going on. But I’m glad Ralph is standing up to them and won’t be bullied.

I believe all along that Governor Northam was set up by Roger Stone and it’s nice to see that Stone failed in taking Ralph out!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:18:23pm

re: #7 Joe Bacon 🌹

I truly fear what will happen in Richmond with the Tiny Penis Club Hissy Fit Party going on. But I’m glad Ralph is standing up to them and won’t be bullied.

I believe all along that Governor Northam was set up by Roger Stone and it’s nice to see that Stone failed in taking Ralph out!

It was weird to actually see the Dems increase their total in an off year like this but obviously enjoyable. I actually met my new state senator since he did an event with my delegate candidate who unfortunately lost.

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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:19:30pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:23:33pm

Horror story from Panama.

‘Repent or die’: Panama religious sect kills seven in bizarre ritual

Seven people were killed in a bizarre religious ritual in a jungle community in Panama, in which indigenous residents were rounded up by about 10 lay preachers and tortured, beaten, burned and hacked with machetes to make them “repent their sins”. Ten people were arrested.

Police freed 14 members of the Ngabé Buglé indigenous group who had been tied up and beaten with wooden cudgels and Bibles.

On Thursday, the local prosecutor Rafael Baloyes described the chilling scene that investigators found when they made their way through the jungle-clad hills to the remote Ngabé Buglé indigenous community near the Caribbean coast on Tuesday.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:27:02pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Horror story from Panama.

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‘Repent or die’: Panama religious sect kills seven in bizarre ritual

Yeah but let’s act like the only real problem are radical Muslims. Holy fuck.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:32:01pm

American Oversight doing good work every day.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:33:07pm

;)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:34:07pm

re: #12 Dread Pirate

American Oversight doing good work every day.

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Man it’s a horror show.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:35:02pm

re: #14 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Man it’s a horror show.

Yep.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:38:56pm

re: #15 Dread Pirate

Yep.

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Drain the swamp they said.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:42:57pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:55:45pm

re: #16 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Drain the swamp they said.

Wasn’t there a SNL summary in 2017: drain the swamp by bringing all the swamp creatures in house?

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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:56:31pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:57:10pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2020 • 8:59:38pm

re: #13 Dread Pirate

Cody Fenwick
@codytfenwick
Lindsey Graham calls Lev Parnas a “rat,” which is mob slang for someone who turns against the organized crime family

…

;)

What is the objection to this perfect description of both Lev and the Trump administration? Isn’t Lindsey accurately characterizing all parties to the Ukraine fiasco?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:00:02pm

re: #18 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t there a SNL summary in 2017: drain the swamp by bringing all the swamp creatures in house?

May have been. He’s certainly done that.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:03:24pm

re: #21 Hecuba’s daughter

What’s that charge they use when you lie under oath? Perjury! Lets charge these Republicans with Perjury.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:15:41pm

re: #23 Dread Pirate

What’s that charge they use when you lie under oath? Perjury! Lets charge these Republicans with Perjury.

McConnell has complete control of the process, unless there are four Republican Senators with ethics and backbone. And there aren’t. There may not even be one.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:16:30pm

re: #8 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It was weird to actually see the Dems increase their total in an off year like this but obviously enjoyable. I actually met my new state senator since he did an event with my delegate candidate who unfortunately lost.

Yes but one very important reason why I’m glad the Virginia legislature is Blue—They pushed the ERA over the top! And FUCK WILLIAM BARR and THE FEDERALIST ASSHOLES hell bent on torpedoing ERA!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:17:09pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:18:02pm

re: #24 Hecuba’s daughter

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:18:13pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes but one very important reason why I’m glad the Virginia legislature is Blue—They pushed the ERA over the top! And FUCK WILLIAM BARR and THE FEDERALIST ASSHOLES hell bent on torpedoing ERA!

Yep glad to see John Bell making a difference there.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:19:43pm

re: #26 Dave In Austin

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Then Meadows shouldn’t object if Parnas testifies. But wait he will because Meadows isn’t a Congressman, he’s a Trump accomplice.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:22:06pm

This should be Front Page!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:24:18pm

re: #30 Dread Pirate

This should be Front Page!

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Very brave of them to do because the perfect phone caller is going to lose it.

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:24:35pm

re: #15 Dread Pirate

Yep.

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“SWAMP THE DRAIN!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:28:20pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

“SWAMP THE DRAIN!”

Trump said he would “drain the swap” but he turned DC into an overflowing sceptic tank.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:29:13pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:34:17pm

re: #33 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump said he would “drain the swap” but he turned DC into an overflowing sceptic tank.

I think we’ve had stories of corruption in every cabinet department. The Trump Gang makes Harding’s Ohio Gang look like a harmless group who just liked ignoring Prohibition and playing poker.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:55:17pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2020 • 9:59:05pm

I’m remembering High School American History where Andrew Johnson was praised for binding up the nations wounds and Ulysses Grant was trashed for being totally corrupt.

Then in college I studied labor history under David Montgomery. His book “Beyond Equality: Labor and The Radical Republicans” shattered what I believed based on high school history. Johnson was shown to be a full blown racist who opposed organized labor while Grant defended Reconstruction and the labor movement. In high school we were never taught about the Force Acts or the KKKActs that Grant signed and was hell bent on enforcing.

Another fact that Montgomery taught was how Andrew Johnson was hell bent on executing Davis and Lee and only person who saved them from the gallows was Grant who pleaded with Johnson to spare their lives.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:03:34pm
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re: #37 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m remembering High School American History where Andrew Johnson was praised for binding up the nations wounds and Ulysses Grant was trashed for being totally corrupt.

Then in college I studied labor history under David Montgomery. His book “Beyond Equality: Labor and The Radical Republicans” shattered what I believed based on high school history. Johnson was shown to be a full blown racist who opposed organized labor while Grant defended Reconstruction and the labor movement. In high school we were never taught about the Force Acts or the KKKActs that Grant signed and was hell bent on enforcing.

Another fact that Montgomery taught was how Andrew Johnson was hell bent on executing Davis and Lee and only person who saved them from the gallows was Grant who pleaded with Johnson to spare their lives.

Grant wasn’t a bloodthirsty man. He got a reputation as a butcher because he was more aggressive than his predecessors but he did care about the men under his campaign. It’s said he wept after getting the casualty numbers from The Wilderness campaign. He definitely is getting a much deserved second look in part funnily enough due to Ron Chernow who wrote the Hamilton bio that inspired Lin-Manuel Miranda.

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Citizen K  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:13:44pm

re: #37 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m remembering High School American History where Andrew Johnson was praised for binding up the nations wounds and Ulysses Grant was trashed for being totally corrupt.

Then in college I studied labor history under David Montgomery. His book “Beyond Equality: Labor and The Radical Republicans” shattered what I believed based on high school history. Johnson was shown to be a full blown racist who opposed organized labor while Grant defended Reconstruction and the labor movement. In high school we were never taught about the Force Acts or the KKKActs that Grant signed and was hell bent on enforcing.

Another fact that Montgomery taught was how Andrew Johnson was hell bent on executing Davis and Lee and only person who saved them from the gallows was Grant who pleaded with Johnson to spare their lives.

It’s really worth appreciating in a bile way just how thoroughly the Confederacy basically pulled a HYDRA on the Union.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:19:38pm

Why won’t you bow down to our Supreme Being?

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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:22:38pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:33:13pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:39:13pm

Canadian travel warnings for the USA.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:48:03pm

Hi. I finally got into town; I was well enough to leave my house for the first time since we returned from Chicago. I’m still very weak but improving. I’ve lost over 10% of my weight (I am under 100# at the moment).

I was able to tuck away a 12oz steak at a restaurant today and keep it down, so hopefully the worst of the effects of the flu are now over.

I saw my first Trump hat in the wild today at the restaurant; an elderly farmer was wearing a camo version of the hat in the restaurant.

With the weasling from Republicans now, I hope the whole USA is getting a masterclass in what conservatism has always been and will always be: The conservation and maintenance of power. Every generation needs to be taught that, and when they’re not we get a Nixon, or a Reagan, or a W, or a Trump.

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Horror story from Panama.

Religion poisons everything. Funny thing is, what these evangelicals are alleged to have done is no different than the sum of most of Christianity after it was ascendant. The only reason it moderated is because it was forced to by the Enlightenment.

Remove Enlightenment values of liberty and free-thinking, and it will revert right back to the worst excesses of the last two thousand years.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2020 • 10:51:59pm

re: #43 Dread Pirate

Canadian travel warnings for the USA.

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Yep, a banana republic.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 17, 2020 • 12:15:40am

Falwell said he would support ‘civil disobedience’ if certain gun legislation passes (WSET-TV, ABC)

Liberty University President Jerry Falwell said he would be in support of a civil disobedience if certain gun legislation is passed in the Virginia General Assembly.

Falwell appeared on the Todd Starnes Radio Show this week to talk about the big debate in Virginia.

Falwell compared this to the Civil Rights Movement.

That movement which his church was founded to oppose, because it would give ni*CLANG equal rights.

More of the violence inherent in Christianity.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 17, 2020 • 12:50:59am

It’s time for bed.

I made the mistake today of buying a scratch-off lottery ticket. (They have way worse odds than on-line lotto tickets.) I hope the state can use my $5 for the state conservation programme. /s

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 17, 2020 • 1:02:13am

Ukraine’s PM has resigned.

Ukrainian Prime Minister Oleksiy Honcharuk says he has offered his resignation to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

“In order to prevent any doubts about our respect and trust to the president, I have submitted my resignation to the president with the right to bring the issue to the parliament,” he wrote in a post on Facebook on January 17.

The move comes amid a scandal surrounding an audio recording allegedly of Honcharuk disparaging the economic knowledge and competence of both himself and the president.

rferl.org

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 17, 2020 • 1:08:39am

A group which formed last year called “Republican Atheists” put out a video for their first anniversary.

The group hopes to impress on the Republican Party ideas of secular governance in pursuit of conservative goals.

I suspect they will have less success than the Log Cabin Republicans; there’s a reason virtually all atheists who vote, vote for Democrats (something the Democratic Party doesn’t want to take our rights away from us, and even for the DNC it took us nearly thirty years get the DNC to recognise we exist)

So-called “nones” are one of the biggest constituencies in the Democratic Party. As such, Pete Buttigieg’s support amongst us isn’t very high (he’s willing to throw us under a bus to pander to religious groups).

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Happy 2020 from Republican Atheists

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 17, 2020 • 1:42:37am

A federal judge has blocked Donald Trump’s executive order permitting states or municipalities to “opt-out” of resettling refugees within their jurisdictions.

Take That, Greg (goes to Juanita Jean’s, the World’s Most Dangerous Beauty Salon)

Much to Trump Brown Noser Greg Abbott’s consternation, a federal judge just blocked Trump’s cruel, idiotic and illegal executive order to keep immigrants from resettling in states or communities without prior approval of those jurisdictions. In his order, the Maryland judge said that the order “does not appear to serve the overall public interest.”

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 17, 2020 • 1:52:38am

Michigan state senator Peter Lucido (R-Shelby Township) told a female reporter in the company of a group of teenage boys “they could have a lot of fun with her.”

Sen. Lucido sexual harassment investigation results may not be public (goes to Michigan Advance)

The Michigan state senate is controlled by the GOP.

The Senate Business Office has launched a formal investigation into a report of sexual harassment against state Sen. Peter Lucido (R-Shelby Twp), but the results may not be released.

The investigation is headed up by Director Jordan Hankwitz.

Luicido told Michigan Advance reporter Allison Donahue on Tuesday that a group of visiting De La Salle Collegiate schoolboys “could have a lot of fun” with her. Donahue told Luicido that his comments were unprofessional, to which Luicido cut her off and told her, “I said it to an all girls’ school last week, ‘How would you like to have all the boys from the Senate come over?’”

(more at the link)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 17, 2020 • 2:10:29am

High Wind Warning just popped off on our weather radio.

Winds of 45 mph with gusts to 65 mph, with fog and snow. I guess going into town yesterday was a good call.

The National Weather Service recommends no travel starting in the morning.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 17, 2020 • 2:29:29am

Well, I said I was going to bed because it was rum o’clock.

It’s way past rum o’clock now and my typing is flawed (that and I’m commenting too much).

G’night y’all.

Hurricane categories
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 17, 2020 • 2:36:30am

Heh.

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Teukka  Jan 17, 2020 • 3:52:54am

New twist on Beethoven’s “Für Elise”. As someone who has lived in the flat below a piano teacher, I approve :D

Elephant Music - Fur Elise (Morbius - Teaser Trailer Music)

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:31:36am

Noting that Lev’s partner Igor Fruman is quiet so far.

Good morning.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:33:22am

re: #43 Dread Pirate

Canadian travel warnings for the USA.

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It only took two weeks here of Democratic majority in Richmond to for Republicans and wingers to lose their shit. As Dems gain state legislatures in places that have been GOP controlled, expect more of this.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:37:56am

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹🎃

So you don’t believe in god but you’re the jay with a party which espouses racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic policies? A party which is forced births, anti-LGBT, cages migrant children, suppresses the votes of POC, etc. Doesn’t make any sense.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:38:22am

re: #57 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It only took two weeks here of Democratic majority in Richmond to for Republicans and wingers to lose their shit. As Dems gain state legislatures in places that have been GOP controlled, expect more of this.

If Dems win the White House in November, expect major shit lossage all over…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:40:37am

re: #58 Patricia Kayden

So you don’t believe in god but you’re the jay with a party which espouses racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic policies? A party which is forced births, anti-LGBT, cages migrant children, suppresses the votes of POC, etc. Doesn’t make any sense.

They know that those pulpit pimps are atheists at heart running a scam on their gullible flocks of believers. They believe that sub-humans have no place in our country, those that try to come here and get caught deserve whatever treatment they get, and they believe that native-born POC have no place outside the service economy.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:41:00am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If Dems win the White House in November, expect major shit lossage all over…

I already have expected that but the state legislatures matter too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:53:23am

re: #61 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I already have expected that but the state legislatures matter too.

We saw that the other approach when the GOP loses a governorship is to strip the governor of all powers…

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:54:34am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:55:38am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We saw that the other approach when the GOP loses a governorship is to strip the governor of all powers…

The Wisconsin and North Carolina model yes.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:57:28am

re: #63 Patricia Kayden

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This is Trump telling Azar whose job has nothing to do with religion to say hyperbolic shit to make the Evangelicals stay in Trump’s flock.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:58:38am

re: #65 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This is Trump telling Azar whose job has nothing to do with religion to say hyperbolic shit to make the Evangelicals stay in Trump’s flock.

“Religious Freedom” has a whole different meaning to these people…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 4:59:25am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Religious Freedom” has a whole different meaning to these people…

That’s exactly what I was getting at. Their religious freedom is denying other civil people’s rights.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 5:03:31am

re: #67 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s exactly what I was getting at. Their religious freedom is denying other civil people’s rights.

Our whole American foundation mythology is based on the notion that the Puritans came here seeking “religious freedom”.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 5:06:08am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our whole American foundation mythology is based on the notion that the Puritans came here seeking “religious freedom”.

Right and honestly the Puritans who did stay in England did later briefly succeed under Cromwell.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 5:25:41am

re: #69 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Right and honestly the Puritans who did stay in England did later briefly succeed under Cromwell.

…and started the First War on Christmas

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:05:57am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and started the First War on Christmas

Things you won’t see on FNC.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:17:05am

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Falwell said he would support ‘civil disobedience’ if certain gun legislation passes (WSET-TV, ABC)

Falwell compared this to the Civil Rights Movement.

That movement which his church was founded to oppose, because it would give ni*CLANG equal rights.

More of the violence inherent in Christianity.

So Mr. “I Paid $1.8 Million to My Pool Boy Stud” continues to be an asshole!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:19:51am

re: #72 Joe Bacon 🌹

its his MO, learned on his daddy’s knee

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:25:22am

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:26:23am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

It’s hilarious watching GOPers attacking the reputation of Parnas for being a criminal who was indicted.

They all fucking ignore that Trump is an unindicted coconspirator in the Cohen case. But for Trump being in the WH, he would have been named and indicted for bank/wire fraud and campaign finance violations and conspiracy that sent Cohen to prison.

That’s just one fucking case full of felony conduct directly implicating Trump.

Ukraine is an entirely separate case where Trump engaged in conspiracy and bribery/extortion - both felonies under federal law, as well as a direct charge for impeachment under the Constitution.

The GOP ignores all that and defends the indefensible Trump. They lie and have Fox amplify that no crimes were alleged or committed by Trump as part of the articles, except for all the crimes identified.

There’s no defense for Trump except lying. And the GOPers in the Senate like Graham are perjuring themselves by going on TV claiming that they don’t see any evidence of crimes and stating explicitly that they are not impartial and wont be impartial despite taking the oath yesterday.

The GOP is irredeemable and Graham was right about something - Trump having been elected to the WH should destroy the GOP - and they will deserve it.

The problem is that Trumpworld and GOP are intent on destroying the US and the rule of law to keep Trump in power.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:27:34am

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Falwell said he would support ‘civil disobedience’ if certain gun legislation passes (WSET-TV, ABC)

Falwell compared this to the Civil Rights Movement.

That movement which his church was founded to oppose, because it would give ni*CLANG equal rights.

More of the violence inherent in Christianity.

It is bewildering how so many of those who pretend to be Christians are in favor of the most radical pro-gun legislation. What does that have to do with the message of Christianity unless evangelicals are in reality followers of the anti-Messiah?

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:28:50am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:29:08am

re: #75 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

It’s hilarious watching GOPers attacking the reputation of Parnas for being a criminal who was indicted.

They all fucking ignore that Trump is an unindicted coconspirator in the Cohen case. But for Trump being in the WH, he would have been named and indicted for bank/wire fraud and campaign finance violations and conspiracy that sent Cohen to prison.

That’s just one fucking case full of felony conduct directly implicating Trump.

Ukraine is an entirely separate case where Trump engaged in conspiracy and bribery/extortion - both felonies under federal law, as well as a direct charge for impeachment under the Constitution.

The GOP ignores all that and defends the indefensible Trump. They lie and have Fox amplify that no crimes were alleged or committed by Trump as part of the articles, except for all the crimes identified.

There’s no defense for Trump except lying. And the GOPers in the Senate like Graham are perjuring themselves by going on TV claiming that they don’t see any evidence of crimes and stating explicitly that they are not impartial and wont be impartial despite taking the oath yesterday.

The GOP is irredeemable and Graham was right about something - Trump having been elected to the WH should destroy the GOP - and they will deserve it.

The problem is that Trumpworld and GOP are intent on destroying the US and the rule of law to keep Trump in power.

Trump is the one who surrounds himself with people like Parnas. It’s kinda like when they called Cohen a liar and criminal. Aye the allegation is true, but who was he lying and engaging in criminal behavior at the behest of? Yep Trump. And honestly listening to Parnas talk about Trump, it reminds me of hearing about a totalitarian dictator or deranged Mafia Don. Everything is so absurd.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:30:01am

re: #77 Belafon

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Good. I want it to come down to her and Biden.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:34:49am

re: #74 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Those are all extra credit assignments for his base. Their main tasks were “Piss off liberals and keep brown-skinned people down!” and at those he has passed with flying colors.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:36:14am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those are all extra credit assignments for his base. Their main tasks were “Piss off liberals and keep brown-skinned people down!” and at those he has passed with flying colors.

Big difference between being pissed off like one gets at a bad call and wondering what the fuck is America mean in 2020? I no longer know and it’s caused me a lot of internal heartbreak.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:38:56am

A bunch of groups supporting Sanders and Warren got together and said they have more important things to do that be part of a fight between the two candidates, like defeating Trump: dailykos.com.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:39:48am

Worth the read: dailykos.com.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:41:27am

re: #82 Belafon

A bunch of groups supporting Sanders and Warren got together and said they have more important things to do that be part of a fight between the two candidates, like defeating Trump: dailykos.com.

That’s good. I keep on emphasizing there’s a difference between supporting or liking Bernie and being a bro. The latter thinks Bernie can never be wrong and everyone is a threat to him but the former can be reasoned with.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:41:54am

re: #75 lawhawk

……

The GOP is irredeemable and Graham was right about something - Trump having been elected to the WH should destroy the GOP - and they will deserve it.

The problem is that Trumpworld and GOP are intent on destroying the US and the rule of law to keep Trump in power.

As Rick Wilson said — ETTD. Trump has touched America, and America is dying. It’s not clear that we can ever recover from what Trump has revealed about our nation and our neighbors. His evil is seeping deeply into our institutions. It’s as though Palpatine emerged as the victor in the SW franchise or Sauron in LOTR — and mankind sinks into a permanent morass of darkness. The November election is our last chance at stopping this — and there’s no guarantee of success.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:44:03am

Very few people get to be President. We’ve had 44 presidents but only a handful were elected. That’s a select few. Focus on promoting a positive agenda for the country and world. Sometimes your guy or gal isn’t the nominee. I’ve supported candidates who have come up short in primaries and then supported their former rivals.

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Jay C  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:53:04am

re: #75 lawhawk

Quite agree: though I’d make one minor edit:

The problem is that Trumpworld and GOP are intent on destroying the US and the rule of law to keep Trump themselves and their donor base in power.

Trump is just the disgusting, festering boil that is the surface manifestation of the problem: the disease goes way deeper (and unfortunately, seems to be systemic).

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:56:25am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:58:41am

re: #87 Jay C

Quite agree: though I’d make one minor edit:

Trump is just the disgusting, festering boil that is the surface manifestation of the problem: the disease goes way deeper (and unfortunately, seems to be systemic).

One thing I remember my Grandpa telling me and my brother is that a lot of the world’s problems go back to simple greed and I still believe that. But what I think what he didn’t see is how the right’s greed is sustained by pitting people against each other. Making hungry mothers seeking welfare out to be terrible people. Making the immigrant who comes to this country in part due to our FP foul ups out to be taking a job. Accusing the LGBT person who just wants to be able to do their job and be comfortable with their sexual identity as being part of an “agenda.” Or accusing the local Muslim community of being sympathetic to terrorism. The problem with the American right is they cannot imagine or rather they choose not to imagine life as anything other than their lives. There’s always been a great empathy gap on the right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:59:05am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:59:21am

re: #88 lawhawk

It’s why you have to laugh when they scoff about Bill Clinton.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:59:49am

re: #88 lawhawk

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 6:59:52am

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because wingnuts like Putinism more than they do American liberalism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:01:16am
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cat-tikvah  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:01:50am

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Falwell said he would support ‘civil disobedience’ if certain gun legislation passes (WSET-TV, ABC)

Falwell compared this to the Civil Rights Movement.

That movement which his church was founded to oppose, because it would give ni*CLANG equal rights.

More of the violence inherent in Christianity.

getyarn.io

MP4 Video

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Chrysicat  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:02:27am

Yuri/Mikhail there is the third comment into a thread trying to defend the idea that the House Managers aren’t allowed to introduce a single word that wasn’t said during the House impeachment hearings.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:02:29am

re: #93 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Because wingnuts like Putinism more than they do American liberalism.

Putin stands for Authoritarianism, Oligarchy, Militarism, Homophobia, Islamophobia, Xenophobia and Theocracy.

Which is pretty much their ideal vision of God’s Kingdom on Earth, except that their theocracy would be based on Fundamentalist Protestantism instead of Russian Orthodoxy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:03:18am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:03:54am

You know, I’m old enough to remember when people who protested police brutality were called thugs and violent. But it’s perfectly okay to import white supremacists and threaten a democratically elected legislature with guns because they’re finally doing something about gun violence. This is why I tell people I despise guns. I don’t despise the right to self protect. I despise the culture where the right of some yahoo to hoard as many guns without any thought matters more than my safety.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:04:30am

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Putin stands for Authoritarianism, Oligarchy, Militarism, Homophobia, Islamophobia, Xenophobia and Theocracy.

Which is pretty much their ideal vision of God’s Kingdom on Earth, except that their theocracy would be based on Fundamentalist Protestantism instead of Russian Orthodoxy.

And I think Putin realizes that too which is why he’s allowed Fundamentalist Protestantism to grow in Russia.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:05:48am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

I knew this when he and his cronies started attacking General Clapper as an Obama loyalist. Clapper didn’t join the executive branch with Obama. What has happened here is basically if Joe McCarthy somehow became President in 1952 and went after people like George Marshall.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:06:27am

Here’s a bit of good news; Trump may be even more unpopular than his bad approval rating indicates. fivethirtyeight.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:07:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:09:04am
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Belafon  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:09:17am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

We expect our military to remain apolitical. Trump expected loyalty to him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:09:33am

Started a Marshall biography though and Trump’s favorite tall tale general gets brought into it- General Pershing. General Pershing and I hadn’t known this had once commanded the Buffalo Soldiers. He believed in an integrated armed forces and this was 1917. He also was willing to work with generals and other officers from allied countries. And he saw that Hitler was bad news. It’s unfortunate that we only really know his name now due to Trump repeating the lie about the pigs blood in the Philippines because before there was General Marshall, there was General Pershing. A statesman loyal not to party or ideology but to the spirit of American democracy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:11:45am

re: #100 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And I think Putin realizes that too which is why he’s allowed Fundamentalist Protestantism to grow in Russia.

to the extent that their views overlap with Russian Orthodoxy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:12:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:14:25am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:14:53am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

to the extent that their views overlap with Russian Orthodoxy

I think eventually they will clash when they realize they have different views on some things. You already see it a little with the Catholics who have some bishops and even the Pope himself who believe in some humanitarian principles. It’s why you see evangelicals demand that the Pope apologize to Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:15:39am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

My favorite baseball player RTed that. He’s playing in Japan now.

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John Hughes  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:17:08am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

You’re a bunch of dopes and babies

You know, the problem is is that Trump is right here. If they weren’t a bunch of dopes and babies Tilerson would have told Trump that he was a fucking moron to his face and the Generals would have told him that he was an incompetent draft dodger.

But, being a bunch of dopes and babies they thought they could get along with Trump, maybe steer him in the right direction…

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:19:32am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

Awwwww!! That is so sweet. Such a lovely couple. Miss them. 😞

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Jay C  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:20:31am

re: #101 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I knew this when he and his cronies started attacking General Clapper as an Obama loyalist. Clapper didn’t join the executive branch with Obama. What has happened here is basically if Joe McCarthy somehow became President in 1952 and went after people like George Marshall.

Didn’t McCarthy and his enablers go after Marshall anyway? ISTR that a consistent theme of the Red-baiters in that era was that Marshall had “sold out” (Europe? China? Somebody?) to the Communists because Yalta or whatever. It was, I think, considered whackaloon BS even at the time: but fortunately, Eisenhower was in charge (Ike was a devoted protege of Marshall’s, and HATED the red-baiter faction of the GOP since they had pushed him to make a speech critical of the then-SoS in the ‘52 campaign)…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:20:54am

oh

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:21:13am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

You can see the mutual affection in every photo and interaction.

Things that are clearly lacking in every shot of Trump and Melania. There’s zero emotional attachment between Trump and the rest of his family. It’s all transactional.

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jeffreyw  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:22:03am

the fuck is this?

Good morning!

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:23:17am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:23:50am
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Jay C  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:24:02am

re: #117 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

I can understand the bird’s puzzlement: what ARE those? Orange rinds?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:24:03am

re: #114 Jay C

Didn’t McCarthy and his enablers go after Marshall anyway? ISTR that a consistent theme of the Red-baiters in that era was that Marshall had “sold out” (Europe? China? Somebody?) to the Communists because Yalta or whatever. It was, I think, considered whackaloon BS even at the time: but fortunately, Eisenhower was in charge (Ike was a devoted protege of Marshall’s, and HATED the red-baiter faction of the GOP since they had pushed him to make a speech critical of the then-SoS in the ‘52 campaign)…

Yes but it would have been even worse had McCarthy or MacArthur had won IMO. But you are right. The whole theme was that GCM just that. He really is and I would agree with Orson Welles’ take that he was the finest American of that era. I’ve known about Marshall from a young age since my Dad graduated from a high school named after him and being a curious bastard, I wanted to learn more about the name sake. As much as I have some problems with Ike, it was so much better that he got nominated in 1952 rather than a megalomaniac like MacArthur. I won’t take anything away from his abilities as a general or even a lot of what he did to help Japan after WWII but he would have been a disaster as a President since MacArthur’s mentality resembled an imperial general rather than a democratic one like GCM and Ike.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:25:45am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not feeling particularly sympathetic to the generals he chewed out. Look at how they support him in everything he does including an unnecessary strike on a high ranking Iranian official.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:26:31am

I mean I have my problems with Ike too. To this day, we’re seeing the ramifications of his failed Iranian policy but Ike wasn’t a demagogue or glory hound.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:28:35am

re: #58 Patricia Kayden

So you don’t believe in god but you’re the jay with a party which espouses racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic policies? A party which is forced births, anti-LGBT, cages migrant children, suppresses the votes of POC, etc. Doesn’t make any sense.

It occurred to me that “Frankie Graham and the Dominionists” would be a good name for a faux-60s folk/rock ensemble.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:29:31am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

In every scene, you are my star, @MichelleObama! Happy birthday, baby!

Gangsta hand signs!

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jeffreyw  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:30:38am

re: #120 Jay C

I can understand the bird’s puzzlement: what ARE those? Orange rinds?

They are orange slices, from small oranges of some sort. Mrs J put them out for the mockers, having heard that they would eat fruit in the winter. Haven’t seen them on the oranges but they will eat a crabapple.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:30:43am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:30:51am

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

You know since I finally joined Twitter, I decided to look at Obama’s Twitter account. It’s normal. It’s like a functioning human being who processes information intelligently and responds to it in such a way. I really worry Trump has distorted to tons of people what an American president it supposed to be like. I remember when my niece was really really little she said that she “liked” Trump I guess because the President is you know supposed to be a good guy. She doesn’t like him at all now. And I swear her uncle the history buff (me) had nothing to do with making Washington her favorite President since I always tell people that Lincoln is mine.

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John Hughes  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:31:09am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

I thought McSally flew A10’s. How does that make her a fighter pilot? Is this some of that screwed up USAF disdain for ground support? Is she butthurt about not being thought good enough to be a valiant knight of the air?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:31:18am

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It occurred to me that “Frankie Graham and the Dominionists” would be a good name for a faux-60s folk/rock ensemble.

Live from the Fillmore.

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:32:52am

re: #129 John Hughes

I thought McSally flew A10’s. How does that make her a fighter pilot? Is this some of that screwed up USAF disdain for ground support? Is she butthurt about not being thought good enough to be a valiant knight of the air?

To the low-info crowd, all military planes are fighter jets.

//

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:33:14am

re: #130 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Live from the Fillmore.

East

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:33:53am
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John Hughes  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:34:10am

re: #118 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Trump thinking about quitting his day job to become a constitutional scholar. Although some of us might like that, don’t do it Donald, you haven’t got the chops.

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:34:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:37:06am

heh

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Jay C  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:39:03am

re: #131 makeitstop

To the low-info crowd, all military planes are fighter jets.

//

And it makes Martha sound (at least probably in her own mind, anyway) a lot more bad-ass than “I’m a A-10 pilot”.
Of course, I’m thinking what it makes her sound like (more, really that disdainful retort to a reporter) is a complete asshole: there’s a reason why this woman lost an election, and is way behind in polling for the next one….

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Citizen K  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:40:47am

At this point, Trump’s family could be stealing bills straight from the mint (that Mnuchin already got his selfies with) and the news would be complaining about a Dem’s family member getting a salary somewhere at some time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:40:57am

Narrator’s Voice: Pompeo is a liar

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:42:48am

re: #131 makeitstop

To the low-info crowd, all military planes are fighter jets.

//

A few year ago, Fox News ran a story about the well preserved wreck of a Dornier DO-17 from the Battle of Britain being found in the English Channel. The story referred to the aircraft as “the German jet.”

Dornier DO-17 (not one of my models)
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:43:07am
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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:43:21am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:45:21am

re: #142 makeitstop

No one is going to mess with that kid.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:48:03am

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

The sell-outs and traitors aren’t even trying to hide it anymore. In a way, though, it’s an improvement. At least they’re open about it. Right wing stations have been broadcasting Kremlin propaganda for years without acknowledging it.
Like the Republican atheists, they have just eliminated one level of the hypocrisy.

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John Hughes  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:49:28am

re: #137 Jay C

And it makes Martha sound (at least probably in her own mind, anyway) a lot more bad-ass than “I’m a A-10 pilot”.

Like I said, that weird way the USAF disdain the ground support role.

What is more badass than flying low through enemy anti-air to shoot at fucking tanks with a week, feeble airplane.

But no, it’s not Top Gun, it’s not Tom Cruise, it’s not knights of the air.

(Yes, I know Top Gun was Navy, not Air Farce).

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Jay C  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:51:20am

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A few year ago, Fox News ran a story about the well preserved wreck of a Dornier DO-17 from the Battle of Britain being found in the English Channel. The story referred to the aircraft as “the German jet.”

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Well, those Nazis were a real smart bunch when it came to military technology: it’s obvious they built a jet-powered bomber: then cleverly disguised it by sticking propellers on the front!!

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John Hughes  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:51:30am

re: #138 Citizen K

earning hundreds of thousands of dollars over 5-year period.

What, like more that $20,000 a year? Wow, that’s big bucks!

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:54:11am

Is it time to haul this one out again?

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:56:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 7:58:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:00:33am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:01:03am

re: #129 John Hughes

I thought McSally flew A10’s. How does that make her a fighter pilot? Is this some of that screwed up USAF disdain for ground support? Is she butthurt about not being thought good enough to be a valiant knight of the air?

i’d feel pretty baddass if i could even fly an a10
is this whole argument implying some jobs are more important than others?
it’s team aint it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:01:49am
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danarchy  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:01:58am

re: #129 John Hughes

I thought McSally flew A10’s. How does that make her a fighter pilot? Is this some of that screwed up USAF disdain for ground support? Is she butthurt about not being thought good enough to be a valiant knight of the air?

That seems like a bit of a nitpick. She was commander of the 354th Fighter Squadron. If the USAF designates them that way why shouldn’t she?

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:03:10am

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

Living Colour - Cult Of Personality

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:03:27am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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it’s more than ‘perfect’

it’s all he can attract

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John Hughes  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:04:59am

re: #112 John Hughes

Does sagehen think I’m being mean to Trump or to Tillerson and the Generals?

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:05:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:09:02am
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Jay C  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:10:40am

re: #154 danarchy

That seems like a bit of a nitpick. She was commander of the 354th Fighter Squadron. If the USAF designates them that way why shouldn’t she?

I agree. The particulars of Sen. McSally’s AF service aren’t as important (IMO) as the fact that she used them as an excuse to dismiss criticism of her insulting refusal to answer a journalist’s question.

As ref. re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:12:11am

fascinating that Dersh is NOT going with “not guilty”, instead arguing that abuse of power and obstructing Congress aren’t high crimes and misdemeanors warranting impeachment.

Okey dokey

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:13:25am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If that Motherfather continues with those tirades he may wind up deposed in a coup…

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:14:39am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

Except that every last word of that defense defies the plain language of the Constitution and what the Framers intended.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:14:45am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

fascinating that Dersh is NOT going with “not guilty”, instead arguing that abuse of power and obstructing Congress aren’t high crimes and misdemeanors warranting impeachment.

Okey dokey

Shooting someone on Fifth Avenue is not, either.

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Citizen K  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:16:37am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:17:16am

re: #163 lawhawk

Except that every last word of that defense defies the plain language of the Constitution and what the Framers intended.

It’s particularly gobsmaking that Dersh is not denying that Trump is guilty

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:17:51am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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Has Glenn chimed in yet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:19:03am

“Sure, my client did all those things. SO WHAT???”

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:21:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:22:25am

and you’re STILL impeached

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John Hughes  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:22:35am

...

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:22:44am

Reminder:

Reports indicate that Epstein was engaging in child sex trafficking as recently as last summer (before he was taken into custody and ultimately died in custody under suspicious circumstances).

Dershowitz admits to getting massages w/Epstein, but that he was still wearing undies.

/need brain bleach after writing that (and apologies to those reading).

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gocart mozart  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:24:27am
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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:26:23am

So, here’s a deep cut from Living Colour’s playlist - and it’s a great song, with a great message and a funky bass line.

Living Colour - Open Letter To A Landlord (Official Video)

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sagehen  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:26:49am

re: #157 John Hughes

Does sagehen think I’m being mean to Trump or to Tillerson and the Generals?

I think Generals can’t tell Presidents what they really think in such cases… not until they take off the uniform. It’s not weak of them to bite their tongues, it’s UCMJ.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:28:47am

re: #158 lawhawk

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John Hughes  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:29:36am

re: #175 sagehen

I think Generals can’t tell Presidents what they really think in such cases… not until they take off the uniform. It’s not weak of them to bite their tongues, it’s UCMJ.

Then they should take the uniform off.

Unless they think their jobs are more important than their self respect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:30:08am

re: #176 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Newt has no idea how true his tweet is.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:30:31am

I find it quite impressive the number of photoshopped pictures that are appearing showing Parnas with everyone under the sun.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:32:15am

he is nutz

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Jay C  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:34:21am

re: #175 sagehen

I think Generals can’t tell Presidents what they really think in such cases… not until they take off the uniform. It’s not weak of them to bite their tongues, it’s UCMJ.

True: but it’s also the point that Trump exploits that dedication and professionalism to make himself look “better” and “tough” - not to the military, of course, but to his mouthbreather base.

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John Hughes  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:34:42am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We took out those terrorists like, like — like your football team would’ve taken out those terrorists, right?”

“No, sir, because that is not what football teams do, sir”.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:36:05am

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I hope they cashed their payment checks in advance.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:38:21am

Sigh. He’s trying to kill us.

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Chrysicat  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:39:30am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:39:58am

Corporations will protect the environment. Look at what a great job they were doing before the EPA got in the way. Flammable rivers are the most awesomest thing evah.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:40:32am

re: #177 John Hughes

Then they should take the uniform off.

Unless they think their jobs are more important than their self respect.

How many generals who care about their troops do you think should retire? Who do you think will be left? When that general retires, what voice will he have?

I once again put this on McConnell and the rest of the GOP. The military is supposed to be apolitical. It’s Congress’s job to rein him in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:40:35am

re: #186 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Corporations will protect the environment. Look at what a great job they were doing before the EPA got in the way. Flammable rivers are the most awesomest thing evah.

tourist attractions!

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Jay C  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:41:41am

re: #186 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Flammable rivers are the most awesomest thing evah.

Yeah, when they catch on fire, you can see them at night without having to expend energy on lighting! Conservation!!!!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:42:55am

re: #114 Jay C

Didn’t McCarthy and his enablers go after Marshall anyway? ISTR that a consistent theme of the Red-baiters in that era was that Marshall had “sold out” (Europe? China? Somebody?) to the Communists because Yalta or whatever. It was, I think, considered whackaloon BS even at the time: but fortunately, Eisenhower was in charge (Ike was a devoted protege of Marshall’s, and HATED the red-baiter faction of the GOP since they had pushed him to make a speech critical of the then-SoS in the ‘52 campaign)…

China had been sold out to the Communists since Truman (with Marshall as SoS) hadn’t militarily intervened into what would have probably been Vietnam x20 (or worse) in order to save a very corrupt Nationalist Chinese government that pretty much was incapable of running the country, was at least partially fascist in it’s core, and in all likelihood was not salvageable anyways.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:44:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:44:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:45:50am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:46:32am

re: #126 jeffreyw

They are orange slices, from small oranges of some sort. Mrs J put them out for the mockers, having heard that they would eat fruit in the winter. Haven’t seen them on the oranges but they will eat a crabapple.

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In Philly in the winter the mockingbirds that stayed the winter tended to hang out on/near winterberry (Ilex verticillata) bushes that were full of fruit. They were used in landscaping in various places around the Art Museum and along the walking path along the Schuylkill River in that area.

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:51:01am

Trump and the right wing wanted people to think that he got away with avoiding a war with Iran without any consequences.

Turns out that the Iranian reprisal was indeed as accurate as the satellite imagery suggested, and but for sheer dumb luck, there were no fatalities among those injured.

It shows that Trumpworld wanted to avoid looking like they backed down after Trump’s bluster was returned in the form of a missile strike against American forces.

I get that the cessation of open hostilities is preferable to a war. But everyone in Trumpworld lied to get us the airstrike against Suleimani and then lied about the consequences (or their supposed absence of consequences).

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:51:03am
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DodgerFan1988  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:52:15am

Gun Girl Canceled.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:52:54am

re: #195 lawhawk

Trump and the right wing wanted people to think that he got away with avoiding a war with Iran without any consequences.

Turns out that the Iranian reprisal was indeed as accurate as the satellite imagery suggested, and but for sheer dumb luck, there were no fatalities among those injured.

It shows that Trumpworld wanted to avoid looking like they backed down after Trump’s bluster was returned in the form of a missile strike against American forces.

I get that the cessation of open hostilities is preferable to a war. But everyone in Trumpworld lied to get us the airstrike against Suleimani and then lied about the consequences (or their supposed absence of consequences).

I saw the people of the base interviewed on CNN. They just seemed overwhelmed by the whole thing and the base was still on alert. The one thing that struck me though was this? One of the bunkers that some of the troops took refuge in was a former Hussein one.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:54:41am

re: #197 DodgerFan1988

Gun Girl Canceled.

America 2020, where a person only famous for a stupid stunt about wanting to have an open assault weapon at your college graduation gets you paid to go around and harass people at pride parades. They have pride because they’ve dealt with people like Kaitlin their entire lives belittling them. No one’s ever given me a hard time for being attracted to women. But it wouldn’t be that way if I were attracted to other guys. And that really is why pride exists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2020 • 8:59:29am

re: #186 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Corporations will protect the environment. Look at what a great job they were doing before the EPA got in the way. Flammable rivers are the most awesomest thing evah.

I grew up in Gary, Indiana, where the Calumet River used to regularly catch fire, and played hide-and-seek in piles of chemical tailings outside the Purex bleach plant. Two of my sisters have already died of cancer and I do not expect to live past my 70’s…

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:00:43am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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the fact that he has been impeached seems to belie that logic

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Jay C  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:00:53am

re: #190 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

China had been sold out to the Communists since Truman (with Marshall as SoS) hadn’t militarily intervened into what would have probably been Vietnam x20 (or worse) in order to save a very corrupt Nationalist Chinese government that pretty much was incapable of running the country, was at least partially fascist in it’s core, and in all likelihood was not salvageable anyways.

I recently read a book about the Truman Administration’s China policy, and your analysis is pretty much spot-on. Part of the problem (if not the main one) was that for most of the late ’40s, Chiang Kai-Shek and his Nationalists kept reassuring the US that everything was going just great, as Mao and the Communists kept capturing province after province and city after city. By the time it became obvious that the Kuomintang’s days as a mainland regime were numbered, it was too late for the US do much about it: so the “fall of China” came as something of a surprise to the American public. Which, coupled with the equal “surprise” of the Soviet atomic bomb test (1949) was quickly exploited by Red-baiting politicians to fan anti-communist hysteria for political gain. Which was no surprise at all…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:01:55am

worth the click and be sure to read the translation of the owner’s last paragraph.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:04:19am

re: #202 Jay C

I recently read a book about the Truman Administration’s China policy, and your analysis is pretty much spot-on. Part of the problem (if not the main one) was that for most of the late ’40s, Chiang Kai-Shek and his Nationalists kept reassuring the US that everything was going just great, as Mao and the Communists kept capturing province after province and city after city. By the time it became obvious that the Kuomintang’s days as a mainland regime were numbered, it was too late for the US do much about it: so the “fall of China” came as something of a surprise to the American public. Which, coupled with the equal “surprise” of the Soviet atomic bomb test (1949) was quickly exploited by Red-baiting politicians to fan anti-communist hysteria for political gain. Which was no surprise at all…..

JFK unfortunately engaged in the shit show of blaming Truman, Acheson, and Marshall for “losing China” but China was never ours to lose or win. It’s an ancient country that predates ours by thousands of years. The last dynasty, the Qin that fell in 1911 had started in 1644. In 1644, we did not have our complete 13 colonies. Obviously I’m not happy that Mao emerged victorious there but China like so many places we just instinctively backed whoever was the most anti-communist without regards for things like culture and history. That certainly happened in Vietnam and Iran too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:06:18am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

worth the click and be sure to read the translation of the owner’s last paragraph.

I think that right there is so telling of our era. I really like the idea of things like Yelp because I don’t always agree with food critics just as I don’t always agree with movie critics but the way things are, it’s easy to do shit like this.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:06:54am

re: #191 Patricia Kayden

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sadly these optics will not make an iota of difference
- not to anyone watching
- not in anything that happens

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:08:10am

We’re more connected and lost than ever. That’s the paradox.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:09:51am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is why Princesse De Lamballe was beaten to death by a frenzied mob on her way to the guillotine.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:10:03am

re: #202 Jay C

I recently read a book about the Truman Administration’s China policy, and your analysis is pretty much spot-on. Part of the problem (if not the main one) was that for most of the late ’40s, Chiang Kai-Shek and his Nationalists kept reassuring the US that everything was going just great, as Mao and the Communists kept capturing province after province and city after city. By the time it became obvious that the Kuomintang’s days as a mainland regime were numbered, it was too late for the US do much about it: so the “fall of China” came as something of a surprise to the American public. Which, coupled with the equal “surprise” of the Soviet atomic bomb test (1949) was quickly exploited by Red-baiting politicians to fan anti-communist hysteria for political gain. Which was no surprise at all…..

Unfortunately I think one of the poor results of all the red baiting and criticism is that the USA doubled-down to back France and then a very corrupt South Vietnamese regime when the chickens really started to come home to roost there. I think a serious and impartial study of the situation there would have made clear that Vietnam was going to combine under a single government, and that the best bet was that it was going to be that the Viet Minh was going to prevail.

(That the US fucked up in Southeast Asia due to geopolitical concerns should be no surprise. About on par with the fuck ups in the Middle East in the same time period. And the latter carried strategic resource concerns [oil]* with it as well as relations with what were very important European allies at the time.)

* - Finished Yergan’s _The Prize_ the other day. I have a better understanding now of how oil causes odd economic/political decision making, why the US policies in this regard are strange at time (US is both a major producer and a major consumer - so they act one way towards their import market while having to pay a lot of political attention to their domestic production side as well), and understand better what I lived through as a child/teenager in the 70s and early 80s (OPEC crises, high inflation, etc.)

Edit: en.wikipedia.org (book link - wikipedia)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:11:12am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

Newt has no idea how true his tweet is.

He’s too busy trying to find his next mistress on Tinder!

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:12:23am
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gocart mozart  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:12:38am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:14:43am

re: #209 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Unfortunately I think one of the poor results of all the red baiting and criticism is that the USA doubled-down to back France and then a very corrupt South Vietnamese regime when the chickens really started to come home to roost there. I think a serious and impartial study of the situation there would have made clear that Vietnam was going to combine under a single government, and that the best bet was that it was going to be that the Viet Minh was going to prevail.

(That the US fucked up in Southeast Asia due to geopolitical concerns should be no surprise. About on par with the fuck ups in the Middle East in the same time period. And the latter carried strategic resource concerns [oil]* with it as well as relations with what were very important European allies at the time.)

* - Finished Yergan’s _The Prize_ the other day. I have a better understanding now of how oil causes odd economic/political decision making, why the US policies in this regard are strange at time (US is both a major producer and a major consumer - so they act one way towards their import market while having to pay a lot of political attention to their domestic production side as well), and understand better what I lived through as a child/teenager in the 70s and early 80s (OPEC crises, high inflation, etc.)

Edit: en.wikipedia.org (book link - wikipedia)

I think with Vietnam, we really did not see the divisions that existed with colonial Vietnamese society. And that’s a shame. I don’t know a lot about Ho Chi Minh but I really think some of our policies drove him right into Moscow’s eager hand. And that really has been something we have messed up and it causes people in those countries not to trust us. I was shocked to hear how friendly the Vietnamese are to Americans now. I don’t think Americans were too friendly to the Brits that close after the Revolution ended. Sure there were pro British people like Hamilton but the common people? Nope.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:18:53am

re: #212 gocart mozart

why not all equally evil?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:19:28am

re: #214 Colère Tueur de Lapin

why not all equally evil?

Because 3 into 100 doesn’t go perfectly. Sorry, sorry. Your point is true.

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:20:07am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:20:49am

re: #212 gocart mozart

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all of them , katie

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:22:39am

re: #216 lawhawk

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unless this is total shade, it actually speaks a great deal to what these people believe is ‘real and true’ and where you go to learn that truth

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:23:08am

re: #216 lawhawk

I wonder how much his parents paid Harvard to get his intellectually lazy ass into their law school. Funnily enough, Law and Order did have a character named Adam Schiff. But I missed Law and Order: Impeachment. Shapiro’s act is really tiring. It comes from being slightly more informed than the average person and then insulting everyone’s intelligence without stupid shit like this. There’s a reason why he does what he does and isn’t a professional litigator because if he did this shit, he would get laughed out of court.

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gocart mozart  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:24:15am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:26:43am

re: #218 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

unless this is total shade, it actually speaks a great deal to what these people believe is ‘real and true’ and where you go to learn that truth

TBH, I don’t think Ben actually believes this but I think he knows that the average American’s connection to criminal trials is the Dick Wolf universe. Well this isn’t quite a criminal trial in the way that Jack McCoy, the other Adam Schiff, and co would engage in them. And he knows that. He’s nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is but he knows that. He just knows he has a lot of gullible rubes that hold on to his every word and thin he’s a master debater and ignore the absurdity of using a fictional show’s presentation of criminal justice and complaining that an impeachment trial isn’t like that. Ben Shapiro is one of the biggest intellectual frauds of my generation just like Buckley was for my grandparents. I’m not saying either man was or is stupid but they engage in stupid arguments to convince stupid people that their ideology’s cause is righteous and don’t forget that Ben was also spreading propaganda on the behalf of Manafort’s Ukraine clients.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:31:18am

Sure do hope Dershowitz keeps his underpants on! 😉

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jeffreyw  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:33:09am

re: #197 DodgerFan1988

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Gun Girl Canceled.

I watched clip that all the way through, hoping to see a tazer deployment.😢

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Jay C  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:33:11am

re: #221 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

and think he’s a master debater

Close!

ISWYDT!

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:35:22am

In other news - Eminem dropped a new album called ‘Music to be Murdered By,’ and he’s back in the Slim Shady persona. And boy, is he taking shit for a few things, most notably including Ariana Grande’s Manchester concert bombing in the lyrics of one of the songs.

I’m listening on Spotify. Despite the controversy, the album sounds pretty amazing.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:38:31am

re: #224 Jay C

Close!

ISWYDT!

You did indeed :). Seriously, I saw my good friend acting like Ben was so smart and honestly because I know my buddy and I have some legitimate philosophical differences, I ignored it but I really think Ben Shapiro’s whole brand is so harmful that actual discussion of issues in this country. Let us not forget that this guy was a college aged cheerleader for the war in Iraq that he never bothered to enlist in for himself. I mean if you supported Iraq, fine but it to me shows who I think Ben Shapiro is that he argued so vehemently for that war and never enlisted himself. And that’s a coward. Ben Shapiro is a coward. So he can debate. John C. Calhoun could too. It doesn’t make his points righteous. It just means he’s able to make his points sound intelligent.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:39:30am

re: #225 makeitstop

In other news - Eminem dropped a new album called ‘Music to be Murdered By,’ and he’s back in the Slim Shady persona. And boy, is he taking shit for a few things, most notably including Ariana Grande’s Manchester concert bombing in the lyrics of one of the songs.

I’m listening on Spotify. Despite the controversy, the album sounds pretty amazing.

I used to think Eminem was a bit of a jerk back in the day but he’s cool.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:42:56am
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Teukka  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:46:05am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:46:22am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tom Hagen would be too ethical for Trump.

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:47:25am

re: #227 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I used to think Eminem was a bit of a jerk back in the day but he’s cool.

He hasn’t lost a step. He’s still a maddeningly clever rapper.

And holy crap, Ed Sheeran’s on the record.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:47:29am

re: #229 Teukka

I can’t see why it would. I really think there’s actually a lot of pressure on Senate Republicans now. I haven’t seen a poll about support for impeachment since Parnas started talking but I wouldn’t be surprised to see support for remove ticking up again.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:47:38am

re: #229 Teukka

Doesn’t matter.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:47:58am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

No other GOP personage seems to be conflicted out of this mess. Maybe Trump did not want a woman representing him in a “trial”.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:50:25am

re: #231 makeitstop

He hasn’t lost a step. He’s still a maddeningly clever rapper.

And holy crap, Ed Sheeran’s on the record.

Funny story but I posted a TBT photo of my brothers and I, one of my friends who hasn’t met my brother was like “I didn’t know your brother was Eminem.” You’re right though. He’s always been clever even if you didn’t agree with what he had to say and I think he’s grown as a man as he’s gotten older. And I think that’s the biggest difference between him and Kid Rock. Plus I think Marshall actually respects African-Americans and African-American culture. Kid Rock just seems like a douche.

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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:52:02am

re: #230 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I understood that reference!
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Charles Johnson  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:53:17am
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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:53:35am

re: #225 makeitstop

In other news - Eminem dropped a new album called ‘Music to be Murdered By,’ and he’s back in the Slim Shady persona. And boy, is he taking shit for a few things, most notably including Ariana Grande’s Manchester concert bombing in the lyrics of one of the songs.

I’m listening on Spotify. Despite the controversy, the album sounds pretty amazing.

The album title is taken from an album by Alfred Hitchcock, of all people.

He even got clearance to use Hitch’s spoken intro to the album and included it.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:54:33am
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Belafon  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:55:23am
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lawhawk  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:57:08am

There’s always a goddamned tweet for ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING Trump is doing.

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rhuarc  Jan 17, 2020 • 9:57:46am

re: #225 makeitstop

In other news - Eminem dropped a new album called ‘Music to be Murdered By,’ and he’s back in the Slim Shady persona. And boy, is he taking shit for a few things, most notably including Ariana Grande’s Manchester concert bombing in the lyrics of one of the songs.

I’m listening on Spotify. Despite the controversy, the album sounds pretty amazing.

The song Darkness is kind of genius, lyrically. The video is great too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 10:01:47am

re: #236 lawhawk

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This is either the best crossover between the Godfather, Scorsese, and the Coens or the worst Michael Bay movie.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 17, 2020 • 10:03:14am

re: #239 Belafon

I think a lot of GOP members are being bribed big time. Was reading about how Trump’s resorts are. It’s a bizarre assortment of GOP insiders and people like Parnas, Hyde, and others. If we ever find out the truth of why the GOP has covered for Trump so much, I bet $$$$ is going to be a big factor. And there’s probably some healthy blackmail too.

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2020 • 10:03:30am

re: #242 rhuarc

The song Darkness is kind of genius, lyrically. The video is great too.

Listening track right now. Genius, indeed.

This is this album’s ‘Stan.’ It might be too early to talk Grammys, but damn. Who else could do a track like this?

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Teddy's Person  Jan 17, 2020 • 10:06:22am

Job one for Trump’s defense team is to provide soundbites that GOP Senators can use in their re-election campaigns after they acquit the orange menace. If they shred the Constitution in the process, well that’s the cost of maintaining wealth and power.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2020 • 10:13:09am

re: #240 Belafon

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I see Andy Barr on that list
Amy McGrath lost to him last election

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rhuarc  Jan 17, 2020 • 10:17:25am

re: #245 makeitstop

Listening track right now. Genius, indeed.

This is this album’s ‘Stan.’ It might be too early to talk Grammys, but damn. Who else could do a track like this?

I googled the album to find some reactions and one of the first things I see is a link to Fox News talking about how the album or song (Darkness) was anti-gun. LOL!

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Florida Panhandler  Jan 17, 2020 • 10:20:22am

re: #218 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

unless this is total shade, it actually speaks a great deal to what these people believe is ‘real and true’ and where you go to learn that truth

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You are talking about a demographic that believes the Andy Griffith Show was some sort of documentary. Matlock is how real lawyers and courts operate. This is the mindset dominating US politics right now.

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Chrysicat  Jan 17, 2020 • 10:20:46am

re: #175 sagehen

I think Generals can’t tell Presidents what they really think in such cases… not until they take off the uniform. It’s not weak of them to bite their tongues, it’s UCMJ.

Agreed. John was basically asking for a military coup d’etat.

And while we may be approaching the point where that’s the only way out other than being liberated by actual outside forces, the history of just about everyplace that ever needs one is that they don’t come in onesies.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 17, 2020 • 10:24:25am

re: #250 Chrysicat

In short, a military office can just refuse to carry out an order. If it was an illegal order than the officer should be fine (in a just system.) If the order was legal… then the officer can be punished. The President can fire flag officers, I believe, but not lower officers, but that is only a vague memory from long ago and I could be wrong on that.

Ultimately the US is designed by our Constitution to give Congress (House) and the Senate the ultimate power. When one or both of those abdicate their responsibility, then we are f*cked.

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Chrysicat  Jan 17, 2020 • 10:31:50am

re: #216 lawhawk

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danarchy  Jan 17, 2020 • 11:35:03am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

worth the click and be sure to read the translation of the owner’s last paragraph.

[Embedded content]

PSA, I just got redirected to one of those “Your computer is infected please call this number” support scam pages when I went there, I am sure it wasn’t the poke itself but some shady ad coming through their advertising service whatever that may be, just a heads up.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 17, 2020 • 1:38:30pm

re: #152 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

i’d feel pretty baddass if i could even fly an a10
is this whole argument implying some jobs are more important than others?
it’s team aint it?

McSally has obviously abandoned Team A-10 in favor of team Trump, with all that implies. Unfortunate, but it happens. During World War 2, for example, an AAF pilot named Martin Monti defected to the Germans with a P-38. He did this just 7 months before Germany surrendered, surely a textbook example of jumping aboard a sinking ship. He served 15 years in the federal pen for his trouble and died in obscurity in 2000.


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