Coffee Break’s Over: Watch Live: The Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump

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The Senate impeachment trial of President Trump continues with opening arguments from House managers and the President’s defense team.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:21:48am

FUCK TRUMP.

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EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:23:55am

re: #1 Ace Rothstein

FUCK TRUMP.

And fuck every Republican, with rusty farm implements.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:25:10am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:26:08am

Keep your eyes on the prize. TRUMP MUST BE REMOVED IN 2020.

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:29:32am

re: #3 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

CNN 69-26
Quinnipiac 66-17
WaPo/ABC 71-22
Morning Consult 57-24

Republicans should begin to get cold feet any minute now. Those numbers are fuckin’ brutal.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:29:46am

re: #4 The Pie Overlord!

Keep your eyes on the prize. TRUMP MUST BE REMOVED IN 2020.

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He just got us a beautiful ad. No ad will be more beautiful than Trump bragging about wanting to cut SS and Medicare because it’s easy. When you’re a moron, they let you sink yourself.// All mocking aside, this needs to be used against him big time.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:30:26am

re: #5 makeitstop

Republicans should begin to get cold feet any minute now. Those numbers are fuckin’ brutal.

They’re beautiful numbers. //

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:31:01am

re: #5 makeitstop

Republicans should begin to get cold feet any minute now. Those numbers are fuckin’ brutal.

Rick Wilson has a thread on Twitter this morning basically telling Republican Senators that they are fucked if they keep this up. I doubt any of them will pay attention though. They are enthralled to the orange piper

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:31:38am

Lithwick on slate

Schrodinger’s witnesses

there is a laughable argument being advanced in these opening hours that should now be, well, laughed at. In tabling Chuck Schumer’s various motions to call witnesses and subpoena documents and records, Trump’s defenders are somehow claiming both that it’s too late to obtain such evidence, and also, of course, that it’s far too early

.”

I’ve said already and we know the game
But if the Rs frame solely on procedural minutae when the rules are self serving to start, it’s gonna look really bad later

They have total control over witnesses and dox
Eventually it will come out
Being in the side of “the rule said, we weren’t allowed to, etc” will be seen for what it is; petty and unbelieved

And don’t let them say “we all agreed on the rules”. Cause they werent

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Citizen K  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:31:59am

re: #3 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

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re: #5 makeitstop

Republicans should begin to get cold feet any minute now. Those numbers are fuckin’ brutal.

But how many of those are “real Americans”. You know, the ones they’ll allow to vote, the ones the media slobbers over. Because that’s where it’ll really tell.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:32:55am

re: #5 makeitstop

Republicans should begin to get cold feet any minute now. Those numbers are fuckin’ brutal.

Almost half of Rs polled at least want witnesses. I think 48% I read

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:35:43am

re: #8 KGxvi

Rick Wilson has a thread on Twitter this morning basically telling Republican Senators that they are fucked if they keep this up. I doubt any of them will pay attention though. They are enthralled to the orange piper

I was just going to post it!

It was all fun and games when they were talking about this in the abstract, but shit’s getting real now. They may be stupid enough to pull a Thelma and Louse with their election chances, but we’ll see. They may be just smart enough to realize they’re walking into an extinction-level event here.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:35:53am

re: #8 KGxvi

Rick Wilson has a thread on Twitter this morning basically telling Republican Senators that they are fucked if they keep this up. I doubt any of them will pay attention though. They are enthralled to the orange piper

and banking on voter suppression and electronic voting machine hackery.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:37:40am

Re the “we have the material”

“In any other forum where reason and the just resolution of the dispute was the rule of decision, this statement alone would have been reason enough for an order compelling their production and for sanctions”

Exec priv doesn’t cut it.
You still appear
You answer what you can.

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:37:48am

Program note: I absolutely refuse to give in to fatalism.

I’m old enough to remember when everyone thought he’d never be impeached.

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:40:29am

re: #14 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Re the “we have the material”

“In any other forum where reason and the just resolution of the dispute was the rule of decision, this statement alone would have been reason enough for an order compelling their production and for sanctions”

Exec priv doesn’t cut it.
You still appear
You answer what you can.

There is no such thing within American law that is an absolute privilege. Almost every privilege has a crime/fraud exemption, there is no reason to think that executive privilege is any different

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:40:48am

re: #15 makeitstop

Program note: I absolutely refuse to give in to fatalism.

I’m old enough to remember when everyone thought he’d never be impeached.

I’m old enough to remember when people thought we’d never take back the House. We’re getting there. More people voted for his impeachment than any President and more people support his removal. The GOP imo is trapped by him in a lot of ways.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:41:14am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:41:23am

re: #16 KGxvi

There is no such thing within American law that is an absolute privilege. Almost every privilege has a crime/fraud exemption, there is no reason to think that executive privilege is any different

If exec privilege was absolute, we’d have a dictatorship.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:41:25am

re: #12 makeitstop

I was just going to post it!

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It was all fun and games when they were talking about this in the abstract, but shit’s getting real now. They may be stupid enough to pull a Thelma and Louse with their election chances, but we’ll see. They may be just smart enough to realize they’re walking into an extinction-level event here.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:43:39am

re: #16 KGxvi

There is no such thing within American law that is an absolute privilege. Almost every privilege has a crime/fraud exemption, there is no reason to think that executive privilege is any different

I understand.
You still show up first
Every question is not covered by whatever priv there may be

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:43:41am

lolololololololol

sure thing, Jan…

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:43:49am

Something off topic for a few laughs. This is the Long Night episode from GoT told through modern army radio messages….

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:43:50am

re: #8 KGxvi

Rick Wilson has a thread on Twitter this morning basically telling Republican Senators that they are fucked if they keep this up. I doubt any of them will pay attention though. They are enthralled to the orange piper

They won’t start paying attention until polling numbers around this September or so. And if those polling numbers show conclusively the GOP is fucked six ways from Sunday, then they’ll start paying attention. And their first order of business will be to frantically try to distance themselves from Trump as far as possible.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:44:30am

Good Christ, the Frankenstein-faced shitgoblin Jacob Wohl is back at it again, scamming up yet another “scandal” that implodes in his face.

He is the Wile E. Coyote of right-wing wanna-be EdgeLords:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:46:31am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:46:56am

re: #25 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Good Christ, the Frankenstein-faced shitgoblin Jacob Wohl is back at it again, scamming up yet another “scandal” that implodes in his face.

He is the Wile E. Coyote of right-wing wanna-be EdgeLords:

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Jacob Wohl is the CCJ of James O’Keefe. Hate to see him sullying my dad’s hometown with his bs tho.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:47:02am

re: #5 makeitstop

Republicans should begin to get cold feet any minute now. Those numbers are fuckin’ brutal.

Nah. The real numbers are the ones relating to whether or not they get unseated by a further right-wing challenger in the primaries.

Their districts are either Gerrymandered to hell & back, or they figure they can ride it out and rely on Fox and Trump to deliver distractions over the summer, and that the American electorate will display the memory capacity of goldfish again…

Remember how the GOP was permanently disqualified because they lied about WMDs and melted down the economy in 2008? Good times, good times …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:47:07am
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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:49:12am

re: #28 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Nah. The real numbers are the ones relating to whether or not they get unseated by a further right-wing challenger in the primaries.

Their districts are either Gerrymandered to hell & back, or they figure they can ride it out and rely on Fox and Trump to deliver distractions over the summer, and that the American electorate will display the memory capacity of goldfish again…

Remember how the GOP was permanently disqualified because they lied about WMDs and melted down the economy in 2008? Good times, good times …

Remember how taking back the House was a pipe dream?

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:49:59am

re: #25 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Good Christ, the Frankenstein-faced shitgoblin Jacob Wohl is back at it again, scamming up yet another “scandal” that implodes in his face.

He is the Wile E. Coyote of right-wing wanna-be EdgeLords:

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Look at me me me for a week

(Then in a week)……?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:50:10am

Since the trial will be over early in the year, the GOP will do everything they can to bury it throughout the spring and summer in the hopes people will have long forgotten by November.

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:52:10am

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

Since the trial will be over early in the year, the GOP will do everything they can to bury it throughout the spring and summer in the hopes people will have long forgotten by November.

Won’t work. Trump will still be in office.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:52:19am

re: #30 makeitstop

Remember how taking back the House was a pipe dream?

This. I get why people are cynical but we’re gradually getting through this.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:53:27am

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

Since the trial will be over early in the year, the GOP will do everything they can to bury it throughout the spring and summer in the hopes people will have long forgotten by November.

He was impeached
The r’s helped him cover up the crimes
Now they’re trying to cover up the entire impeachment
Don’t et em

Works now. Will work then

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:54:14am

re: #34 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This. I get why people are cynical but we’re gradually getting through this.

Yep. Even a baby step forward is better than two steps back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:54:32am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:55:51am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

Poor No. 10 Downing Street (1898 edition) was torn apart by pitbulls.

Happened to one of my kitties. It’s not the dog’s fault; it’s the weenie-dicked owners.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:55:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:57:55am
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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:58:52am

re: #34 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This. I get why people are cynical but we’re gradually getting through this.

The problem with a lot of young Dems is they want wholesale sweeping change((s).
And right now!

In this environment that is not a realistic way to think or vote.
It is not tenable let alone probable short of a fundamental wholesale revolution (wholesale change)
And that ain’t gonna happen. For scads of reasons.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 10:59:01am
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b.d. (He's Impeached)  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:00:24am

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“World’s Greatest Deliberative Body” my ass.

Definition: Deliberation is a process of thoughtfully weighing options, usually prior to voting. Deliberation emphasizes the use of logic and reason as opposed to power-struggle, creativity, or dialog.

When was the last time that happened?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:01:13am

re: #30 makeitstop

Remember how taking back the House was a pipe dream?

Yeah, and I get how giving into despair is an excuse for inaction, and NO WAY am I advocating giving up, lying down and just accepting the shitstorm.

However, the true problem is not the GOP; nor even Trump. It is the sick, deranged right-wing echo chamber that birthed Trump and McConnell, and protects them from any consequences for their crimes.

Fox is the true enemy. Get rid of them, and the GOP can maybe, finally, start coming back to sanity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:01:39am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:02:55am

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

Keep projecting there, Lindsey.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:02:56am
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Teddy's Person  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:03:32am

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lindsey is the model of civility.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:03:33am

Democrats are being mean, maybe we won’t have any witnesses at all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:03:39am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:04:10am
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piratedan  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:05:14am

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

and you Senator, are a lying hypocritical sack of shit, with all due respect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:06:09am
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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:06:15am

re: #43 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

“World’s Greatest Deliberative Body” my ass.

Definition: Deliberation is a process of thoughtfully weighing options, usually prior to voting. Deliberation emphasizes the use of logic and reason as opposed to power-struggle, creativity, or dialog.

When was the last time that happened?

The senate debating to kill Caesar?

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:07:24am

re: #25 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

“High noon” lol

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:07:32am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:07:33am

re: #44 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Yeah, and I get how giving into despair is an excuse for inaction, and NO WAY am I advocating giving up, lying down and just accepting the shitstorm.

However, the true problem is not the GOP; nor even Trump. It is the sick, deranged right-wing echo chamber that birthed Trump and McConnell, and protects them from any consequences for their crimes.

Fox is the true enemy. Get rid of them, and the GOP can maybe, finally, start coming back to sanity.

I am also exceedingly frustrated by the “Bothsiders” maybe even moreso than by the Trumporrhoids.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:07:38am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

@QuickTake
JUST IN: Officials in Wuhan, China have suspended outbound flights and rail services, according to CCTV, as cases of the viral respiratory illness rise sharply throughout the country

I feel this doesn’t bode well for me. As, I have yet to dream about Mother Abigail. Nor Randall Flagg for that matter

//

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EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:08:33am

re: #49 Dread Pirate

Democrats are being mean, maybe we won’t have any witnesses at all.

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It was always certain that there would be Congressional GOP bullshit about Democrats being ‘mean’ to try to justify their cover-up of Trump’s crimes.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:08:33am
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Teddy's Person  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:08:41am

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I mean, we all know he’s a malignant narcissist, but the pettiness is breathtaking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:08:49am
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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:09:30am

re: #34 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This. I get why people are cynical but we’re gradually getting through this.

My cynicism allows me to avoid the highs and lows of modern politics. If I’m right about things going to shit, then I can just feel bitter instead of devastated. And if I’m wrong and things had a positive outcome, then the elation I feel is more potent.

How did I come about this mindset? I’m a gamer, I’m used to being disappointed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:11:34am

This is how far off the rails the GOP have gotten, that even the NOTION of co-operating with Democrats in anyway is political suicide for them.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:11:54am

Putin ordered it.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:12:05am

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #49 Dread Pirate

Shorter GOP: “THEY’RE BEING MEAN TO ME, SO I’M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME!!!”

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EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:13:08am

re: #52 piratedan

and you Senator, are a lying hypocritical sack of shit, with all due respect.

The respect that is due Lindsey Graham is zero, zip, nada, zilch.

That man is a parasitic coprophagic pinworm whose natural habitat is assholes of people he trusts to do his thinking for him. That used to be John McCain, which just made Graham pathetic. Now it is Trump, making Graham a vicious little mini-me of Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:13:20am

fucking moron

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:14:13am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

fucking moron

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I really doubt there’s a lot of crossover between FIFA fans and people who really love President Trump.

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EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:14:20am

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

This is how far off the rails the GOP have gotten, that even the NOTION of co-operating with Democrats in anyway is political suicide for them.

The GOP has finally achieved full implementation of the Gingrich Rules.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:14:24am
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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:14:42am

re: #65 Dread Pirate

Purely a benefit to Putin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:14:54am
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plansbandc  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:15:02am

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Soccer isn’t OUR sport. It’s a commie plot.

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EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:15:50am

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

I really doubt there’s a lot of crossover between FIFA fans and people who really love President Trump.

Actually, it is soccer fans who would mostly despise Trump. Fans of the FIFA organization itself (by all accounts, the second most corrupt international athletics organization) would love Trump.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:16:22am

Repubs are looking for an excuse, any excuse they think will float, to use in order to avoid calling witnesses. It really shouldn’t surprise anyone that they’re now going for the “Dems are being so mean to us!” victim ploy.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:17:56am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Woah. They’ve put Wuhan under quarantine in all but name.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:18:01am

I seriously wonder if we are watching new the last days of America as a republic for and by the people

I have a distinct sense of Rome burning as I watch this.

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Teukka  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:18:01am

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I feel this doesn’t bode well for me. As, I have yet to dream about Mother Abigail. Nor Randall Flagg for that matter

//

As long as Flagg meets his end the same way as in “The Stand”…

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:19:01am

re: #76 Targetpractice

Repubs are looking for an excuse, any excuse they think will float, to use in order to avoid calling witnesses. It really shouldn’t surprise anyone that they’re now going for the “Dems are being so mean to us!” victim ploy.

And *serious* reporters were actually pimping that bullshit last night.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:20:53am

re: #75 EPR-radar

Actually, it is soccer fans who would mostly despise Trump. Fans of the FIFA organization itself (by all accounts, the second most corrupt international athletics organization) would love Trump.

I figured that trump is looking for personal financial benefit

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:22:14am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

I figured that trump is looking for personal financial benefit

Sure, he can give the players reduced rates at Trump Hotels

//

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:22:32am

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I feel this doesn’t bode well for me. As, I have yet to dream about Mother Abigail. Nor Randall Flagg for that matter

//

Yeah, you really don’t wanna start having dreams or visions about that guy.

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Jay C  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:22:34am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

I figured that trump is looking for personal financial benefit

Probably: I’m sure there’s some flunky in some back office of the Trump Org pulling out and blowing the dust off a “Trump Stadium Project” file as we type……

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:22:38am
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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:23:23am

re: #71 jaunte

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Gym says this shit while knowing that the DOJ are in front of the courts at the same time, telling them that the Judiciary needs to keep their nose out of these subpoenas because ruling on such would “set a dangerous precedent.”

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:23:54am

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

Sure, he can give the players reduced rates at Trump Hotels

//

wait for —- ‘trump stadium’

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:24:10am

re: #84 Jay C

Probably: I’m sure there’s some flunky in some back office of the Trump Org pulling out and blowing the dust off a “Trump Stadium Project” file as we type……

ah
gmta

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:24:12am

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I feel this doesn’t bode well for me. As, I have yet to dream about Mother Abigail. Nor Randall Flagg for that matter

//

M-O-O-N, that spells “We’re fucked.”

//

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:24:33am

re: #78 Scottish Dragon

I seriously wonder if we are watching new the last days of America as a republic for and by the people

I have a distinct sense of Rome burning as I watch this.

It’s not over until we all stop trying.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:25:07am

re: #89 Targetpractice

M-O-O-N, that spells “We’re fucked.”

//

M-O-O-N, that spells Wuhan Coronavirus.

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:25:17am

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Then we quote Schiff and mock the Republicans.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:25:22am

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

This is how far off the rails the GOP have gotten, that even the NOTION of co-operating with Democrats in anyway is political suicide for them.

Back about 17-18 years ago, I recall reading about how Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald and Senator Hillary Clinton became friends because they were both from Illinois — and that was enough to derail Fitzgerald’s future in the Republican Party, forcing him not to run for re-election and opening a vacancy for Barack Obama.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:25:53am

re: #78 Scottish Dragon

I seriously wonder if we are watching new the last days of America as a republic for and by the people

I have a distinct sense of Rome burning as I watch this.

likely not
its more like a swing forward:
- a huge crush to the GOP for a while
- dems taking control for a while and correcting a lot of this mess and nonsense

then an inevitable swing back…

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:26:11am
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BigPapa  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:26:15am

I was sorta hoping I got the WuTang Virus. But I just got some lame ass Nickelback virus and my nose is a gusher.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:26:35am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

fucking moron

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FIFA and Donald Trump - two portraits of corruption in the guise of bribery, graft, and extortion.

Literally are made for each other.

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:26:45am

re: #94 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

likely not
its more like a swing forward:
- a huge crush to the GOP for a while
- dems taking control for a while and correcting a lot of this mess and nonsense

then an inevitable swing back…

If we can hold onto it for long enough, then racism will have a significantly smaller role in deciding elections.

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Citizen K  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:28:05am

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Civility, Civility, won’t someone please think about the civility?!

Fucking Roberts.

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Teukka  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:28:57am

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, you really don’t wanna start having dreams or visions about that guy.

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I’ve had dreams on where the apocalypse comes by means of something analogous to Captain Trips… No Randall or Abigail tho…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:31:10am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:31:17am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Woah. They’ve put Wuhan under quarantine in all but name.

May be too late — it is likely to have spread to other provinces —though it does depend on how contagious it is.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:31:38am
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Teukka  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:31:38am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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KOSH - And So It Begins…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:32:54am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:33:42am

I talked to a friend in Germany last night, and she told me everyone she knows is very worried about America. And she’s pretty far to the left, so she didn’t have a terrific opinion of America to start with. Now she says people are afraid they’re watching the rise of a new fascist super-power.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:33:50am

Deaths from China’s new virus rose to 17 on Wednesday with more than 540 cases confirmed, increasing fears of contagion from an infection suspected to originate from illegally-traded wildlife.

The previously unknown, flu-like coronavirus strain is believed to have emerged from an animal market in central Wuhan city, with cases now detected as far away as the United States.

Contrasting with its secrecy over the 2002-03 Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) that killed nearly 800 people, China’s communist government has this time given regular updates to try to avoid panic as millions travel for the Lunar New Year.

“The rise in the mobility of the public has objectively increased the risk of the epidemic spreading,” National Health Commission vice-minister Li Bin said.

The World Health Organization (WHO) was meeting to rule if the outbreak was a global health emergency.

17 deaths in 540 cases would be a mortality rate of around 3%. The question is how many of those 540 cases will also become fatalities. At least China seems to realize they screwed the pooch with SARS and is trying stay on top of this new bug.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:35:32am

re: #103 The Pie Overlord!

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Don’t you know that the real racists are progressives? It’s Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar who are the true anti-Semites ///

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:37:06am

First new Pearl Jam in, what, 7 years, has dropped.

Pearl Jam - Dance Of The Clairvoyants, Mach I

Tastes kinda like Depeche Mode.

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BigPapa  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:37:28am

re: #106 Charles Johnson

She’s right. The next election has to be a significant drubbing of conservatism and Trumpism. Then remodeling and rebuilding of all they destroyed. Then the work to ensure it doesn’t happen again. Then we’ll have all the fed judges to deal with, not an easy or quick task.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:38:21am

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Been saying that since 2015 when this fascist asshole looked to get the nomination.

Just last week, another pundit wrote some essay on please don’t call him a fascist because it isn’t fair to his voters.

Spit.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:38:30am

re: #100 Teukka

I’ve had dreams on where the apocalypse comes by means of something analogous to Captain Trips… No Randall or Abigail tho…

It’s happened before - the Black Death wiped out vast swathes of Europe’s population. The Plague of Justinian had a lot of people back then convinced the Apocalypse was upon them. The Plague of Athens played a role in the Peloponnesian War. The Antonine Plague decimated the Roman Army.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:38:36am
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:40:04am

re: #110 BigPapa

She’s right. The next election has to be a significant drubbing of conservatism and Trumpism. Then remodeling and rebuilding of all they destroyed. Then the work to ensure it doesn’t happen again. Then we’ll have all the fed judges to deal with, not an easy or quick task.

We have a reliably authoritarian 30-40% of the voting public who want a fascist leader that will crush the rest of us. I don’t know how we accommodate that.

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Citizen K  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:40:12am

re: #76 Targetpractice

Repubs are looking for an excuse, any excuse they think will float, to use in order to avoid calling witnesses. It really shouldn’t surprise anyone that they’re now going for the “Dems are being so mean to us!” victim ploy.

re: #80 Scottish Dragon

And *serious* reporters were actually pimping that bullshit last night.

It’s that, out of anything, that makes me teeter hard on the cynicism. Fox News is Fox News, and it’s truly one of main culprits far as the discord we face in the country, but it likely wouldn’t have gotten nearly as far as it did without the overly credulous media that helped launder Fox Lite cross the waves for a good two-plus decades straight save a couple of months of lucidity here or there. Fox might promote tire rims and anthrax diets, but it’s the rest of the media that has demanded we take such diets as serious suggestions while proclaiming actual nutrition as either equal or even more suspect than tire rims and anthrax.

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uriel  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:40:26am

re: #25 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

“Project 1599”

That’s cute- oh no, we’re not nazis! It’s not 1488! It’s one more than that!

I’m sure they’re giggling over how many people they’re going to ‘trigger’.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:41:26am

re: #98 Belafon

If we can hold onto it for long enough, then racism will have a significantly smaller role in deciding elections.

i do agree about the moral arc of the universe and the usa more locally

powerwise - two party democracy (ok a republic) has a way of swinging back and forth

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:41:42am

re: #114 Scottish Dragon

We have a reliably authoritarian 30-40% of the voting public who want a fascist leader that will crush the rest of us. I don’t know how we accommodate that.

We don’t accommodate it. We crush them. We tell them to sit down and shut the fuck up. Forever.

And if they don’t like it, they can fuck off to somewhere that’s more to their liking.

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EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:41:59am

re: #106 Charles Johnson

I talked to a friend in Germany last night, and she told me everyone she knows is very worried about America. And she’s pretty far to the left, so she didn’t have a terrific opinion of America to start with. Now she says people are afraid they’re watching the rise of a new fascist super-power.

That’s the obvious threat. The GOP is firmly on a path where it must seize power to form a fascist dictatorship, or be absolutely destroyed in elections.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:42:58am

re: #95 The Pie Overlord!

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I’m so old, I remember when the press actually pretended to care that Ivanka being in the White House might violate anti-nepotism laws.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:45:27am

re: #118 Dr Lizardo

Uh….how? They vote. They hate our guts and they vote more reliably then many progressives. They control the legislature here in NC.

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Citizen K  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:47:02am

re: #118 Dr Lizardo

We don’t accommodate it. We crush them. We tell them to sit down and shut the fuck up. Forever.

And if they don’t like it, they can fuck off to somewhere that’s more to their liking.

re: #121 Scottish Dragon

Uh….how? They vote. They hate our guts and they vote more reliably then many progressives. They control the legislature here in NC.

Not to mention it’s clear from media coverage and the structure of our elections that they get the vaunted treatment like they’re not only the only voters that matter, but that they’re the only voters that even exist.

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Teukka  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:49:17am

re: #112 Dr Lizardo

It’s happened before - the Black Death wiped out vast swathes of Europe’s population. The Plague of Justinian had a lot of people back then convinced the Apocalypse was upon them. The Plague of Athens played a role in the Peloponnesian War. The Antonine Plague decimated the Roman Army.

Aye. And whenever Pestilence shows his ugly face, so does his brothers Famine, War, and Death.
These are interesting times, in the ancient chinese curse sense.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:52:55am

A quote of a quote of a quote: From the prologue of A Very Stable Genius, Peter Wehner quoting Edmund Burke on the French Revolution, “Rage and phrenzy can pull down more in half an hour than prudence, deliberation, and foresight can build up in a hundred years.”

And Trump’s malice in office has been operating for far longer than half an hour.

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Florida Panhandler  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:54:09am

re: #119 EPR-radar

The GOP is afraid they will be in prison if they lose elections. This is why they will pull out all stops to ratfuck their way to victory.

This is not simply an election for leadership. This is an existential vote for a reality- based government leadership with its inherent flaws vs. a Fascist criminal cabal of fantasy minded con men. This is what’s at stake here on the most important election since 1860. .. the next Civil War? It’s already been happening for years now. It went hot upon Nov of 2004 because someone other than a white male won the Presidency.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:57:07am

re: #114 Scottish Dragon

We have a reliably authoritarian 30-40% of the voting public who want a fascist leader that will crush the rest of us. I don’t know how we accommodate that.

Hitler received less than 40% of the vote — but that allowed him to become dictator and the monster etched in our memory (in our memory — not in the memory of those who vote for Trump)

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:58:18am

re: #125 Florida Panhandler

The GOP is afraid they will be in prison if they lose elections. This is why they will pull out all stops to ratfuck their way to victory.

This is not simply an election for leadership. This is an existential vote for a reality- based government leadership with its inherent flaws vs. a Fascist criminal cabal of fantasy minded con men. This is what’s at stake here on the most important election since 1860. .. the next Civil War? It’s already been happening for years now. It went hot upon Nov of 2004 because someone other than a white male won the Presidency.

I think you meant 2008, but yeah, the election of Barack Obama, not just once but twice, scared these reactionaries and atavists straight-up shitless. The future they’d long been afraid of had suddenly become reality and now they’re in full-on panic mode.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:58:20am

Is there anything at all….anything that Trump could do that would cause Conservatives to abandon him at this point?

I really suspect the answer is no, and that’s scary as fuck. I mean he could be caught in a hotel room with a 14 year old boy and the GOP would just say nobody actually saw what they thought they saw and brush it off.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:58:44am

re: #125 Florida Panhandler

Nov 2008..

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Citizen K  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:58:48am

re: #126 Hecuba’s daughter

Hitler received less than 40% of the vote — but that allowed him to become dictator and the monster etched in our memory (in our memory — not in the memory of those who vote for Trump)

For many of that 40%, he’s not the monster, he’s the hero.

….and of course, we have a good 65% of the country that wants to treat Hillary as a greater monster than Trump and will crawl over broken glass and salt to spite anyone who dared even signal support for her. So….

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KerFuFFler  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:58:49am

re: #125 Florida Panhandler

It went hot upon Nov of 2004 because someone other than a white male won the Presidency.

I believe you meant 2008. :)

Whoops, I type too slowly…..

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2020 • 11:58:49am

Damn, they’re getting so fucking irrational.

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Jay C  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:00:13pm

re: #112 Dr Lizardo

It’s happened before - the Black Death wiped out vast swathes of Europe’s population. The Plague of Justinian had a lot of people back then convinced the Apocalypse was upon them. The Plague of Athens played a role in the Peloponnesian War. The Antonine Plague decimated the Roman Army.

I dunno: just a quick scan of the Wiki for the Wuhan coronavirus is both frightening and reassuring.

That these new epidemics can pop up at any time is scary: though if one reads the posited origin theory, it’s not surprising:

As the cluster of cases with “pneumonia of unknown cause” had centered around a wholesale animal and fish market, which had a thousand stalls selling chickens, pheasants, bats, marmots, venomous snakes, spotted deer and the organs of rabbits and other wild animals, it led to the suspicion that the cause may be a novel coronavirus from an animal source

OTOH, the Chinese authorities (and the WHO, and health authorities worldwide) seem to have jumped onto this outbreak pretty quickly: it sounds like a bad thing to get (and even at 3% mortality, pretty deadly), but if proper precautions and rigorous testing can contain the outbreak (and it looks like they are cracking down pretty hard) another Black Death seems unlikely. So far.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:00:33pm

THE WHOLE JOB OF A PROSECUTOR IS TO PROVE GUILT YOU DUMB BITCH.

(these people are breaking my brain to a whole new level today)

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:01:58pm

re: #126 Hecuba’s daughter

Hitler received less than 40% of the vote — but that allowed him to become dictator and the monster etched in our memory (in our memory — not in the memory of those who vote for Trump)

But don’t forget that in a parliamentary system, 40% of the vote is a crushing majority. As to Hitler himself, he only became Reichskanzler thanks to a shabby, backroom political deal put together by two former Chancellors (Kurt von Schleicher and Franz von Papen) and he was sworn into office by a senile President Hindenburg.

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Chrysicat  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:02:12pm

re: #13 Teddy’s Person

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:03:09pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Damn, they’re getting so fucking irrational.

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“Presumption of innocence” simply means that the defendant does not have to prove he’s innocent, but rather than the prosecutor has to prove their guilt by either preponderance of evidence (civil court) or beyond reasonable doubt (criminal court). It does not mean that a prosecutor is barred from commenting that the defendant is guilty.

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Jay C  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:05:44pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

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THE WHOLE JOB OF A PROSECUTOR IS TO PROVE GUILT YOU DUMB BITCH.

(these people are breaking my brain to a whole new level today)

And this idiot woman used to be an actual judge: OK, County Court, but it’s still not like shes never seen a “prosecution” and a “defense” making statements about “guilt” or “innocence” before.
Lame hack…..

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b.d. (He's Impeached)  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:07:07pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

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THE WHOLE JOB OF A PROSECUTOR IS TO PROVE GUILT YOU DUMB BITCH.

(these people are breaking my brain to a whole new level today)

What’s that “Judge: Jeaninie? I couldn’t hear you over the chants of LOCK HER UP!

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:07:07pm

Our Woman of the Persecution Complex is continuing to set the groundwork for her third party run:

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:08:38pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:09:30pm

re: #139 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

What’s that “Judge: Jeaninie? I couldn’t hear you over the chants of LOCK HER UP!

The “Judge” works for a network whose staff routinely declare that Democrats from Hillary to Schiff are “guilty” of various crimes and need to be immediately jailed. Hell, the witless lot want Hunter Biden to “prove his innocence” and he doesn’t even stand accused of any crimes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:09:42pm

re: #141 jaunte

Those stupid brown kids had it coming! They should have stayed in Mexico!

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electrotek  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:10:27pm

I need to get back on Twitter again. Debating on whether to use my real name this time or not.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:11:22pm

re: #144 electrotek

I need to get back on Twitter again. Debating on whether to use my real name this time or not.

Only if you are prepared for potential backlash as a result of some of what you tweet, assuming you be tweeting politically themed things.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:11:57pm
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electrotek  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:12:54pm

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

Only if you are prepared for potential backlash as a result of some of what you tweet, assuming you be tweeting politically themed things.

Only problem is that I hit back hard, which results in myself being suspended often times.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:13:19pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Damn, they’re getting so fucking irrational.

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When was Judge Boxwine Ducklips ever rational?

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Citizen K  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:14:30pm

re: #146 Dread Pirate

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And the continued victories and successes of the worst of us continue unabated with no apparent recourse left.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:14:48pm
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electrotek  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:15:30pm

re: #150 Dread Pirate

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Not to mention bankrolled a religious extremist during that same period…because fear of Communism.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:16:03pm

re: #146 Dread Pirate

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“We won! It’s over! Brexit is happening!”

“What did we win?”

“We won back our sovereignty! Our right to decide for ourselves!”

“Oh…will it get me a job?”

“Well, no…”

“Is it going to fix the NHS?”

“No…”

“Will it make things more affordable at the shops?”

“No, not right away…”

“So what…”

“WE’RE GETTING RID OF THEM FOREIGNERS! THAT’S WHAT IT MEANS!”

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sagehen  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:16:31pm

re: #16 KGxvi

There is no such thing within American law that is an absolute privilege. Almost every privilege has a crime/fraud exemption, there is no reason to think that executive privilege is any different

Marital privilege is absolute.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:18:08pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

I talked to a friend in Germany last night, and she told me everyone she knows is very worried about America. And she’s pretty far to the left, so she didn’t have a terrific opinion of America to start with. Now she says people are afraid they’re watching the rise of a new fascist super-power.

When I get really pessimistic, I worry that the next world war will be our former allies against us because of something done by trmp.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:19:00pm

re: #146 Dread Pirate

It’s no longer a question of the UK’s remaining in the EU. Now it’s a question of the UK’s rejoining the EU at some point in the future.

Not an easy sell, to say the least, but then again, if Britain has a lost decade or two as a result of Brexit, it might make it more palatable, let’s say, about 20 years from now or so.

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Teukka  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:19:54pm

Watching Agenda-Free TV’s coverage of the Wuhan Coronavirus outbreak. More and more indications things may be bigger than we know, apparently Wuhan is already being locked down, not in 6 hrs.

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plansbandc  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:21:39pm

So this is cool.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:22:10pm

re: #156 Teukka

Watching Agenda-Free TV’s coverage of the Wuhan Coronavirus outbreak. More and more indications things may be bigger than we know, apparently Wuhan is already being locked down, not in 6 hrs.

I commented last night that many of Czech students are fairly sure that the Chinese government is trying to minimize the situation….now, Czechs are a cynical lot, but then again, they had four decades of experience with a Communist government peddling all kinds of happy horseshit.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:23:24pm

McNaughton’s latest masterpiece: Sean Hannity runs away after setting fire to the Capitol.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:24:01pm

re: #118 Dr Lizardo

We don’t accommodate it. We crush them. We tell them to sit down and shut the fuck up. Forever.

And if they don’t like it, they can fuck off to somewhere that’s more to their liking.

Hear, hear!

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ericblair  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:26:01pm

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

It’s no longer a question of the UK’s remaining in the EU. Now it’s a question of the UK’s rejoining the EU at some point in the future.

Not an easy sell, to say the least, but then again, if Britain has a lost decade or so as a result of Brexit, it might make it more palatable, let’s say, about 20 years from now or so.

Now the rubber hits the road. I doubt the EU is intending to punish the UK, but it will stand up for its member states and is very good at negotiating. The whole thing is fucking sad: there are so many young Brits who are being hung out to dry by an army of resentful scared ignorant people who want the wogs out and the Empire back.

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uriel  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:26:44pm

re: #144 electrotek

I wouldn’t- there’s just too many people who are just chomping at the chance to escalate things into RL over the flimsiest of reasons. But that’s me.

(I mean, using your real name, of course. As for going back on twitter… heavy sigh)

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:26:59pm

re: #128 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there anything at all….anything that Trump could do that would cause Conservatives to abandon him at this point?

I really suspect the answer is no, and that’s scary as fuck. I mean he could be caught in a hotel room with a 14 year old boy and the GOP would just say nobody actually saw what they thought they saw and brush it off.

They even have a resident expert in ignoring such things.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:29:05pm
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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:29:15pm

re: #153 sagehen

Marital privilege is absolute.

It is and it isn’t. The testimonial spousal privilege is held by the testifying spouse, so if your spouse chooses to testify, you can’t stop them from doing so. And the communications privilege has some exceptions (from wikipedia because I’m too lazy to look up the cites):

The spousal communications privilege may not be invoked if the spouses are suing each other or each other’s estates in a civil case; nor if one of the spouses has initiated a criminal proceeding against the other; nor in a competency proceeding regarding one of the spouses. These three scenarios are identical to the limitations which also apply to limit the spousal testimonial privilege. Two further scenarios defeat the spousal communications privilege: if the confidential communication was made in order to plan or commit a crime or fraud, or if a defendant-spouse wishes, in a criminal trial, to testify in their own defense, about a confidential marital communication. In these five situations, a court will not allow either spouse to assert the privilege to block the testimony.

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:30:18pm

re: #159 The Pie Overlord!

McNaughton’s latest masterpiece: Sean Hannity runs away after setting fire to the Capitol.

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Why does it look like he’s fleeing the scene of a fire he started at the Capitol?

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:30:25pm

Rules and laws are for the little people.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:32:21pm

Josh Hawley *click*

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:33:00pm

re: #159 The Pie Overlord!

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:33:45pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:34:36pm

re: #169 Ace Rothstein

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:34:37pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:35:12pm

re: #169 Ace Rothstein

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Your work?

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:35:34pm

re: #167 jaunte

I’m not seeing anything in the standing impeachment trial rules that would require Senators to remain in their seats the whole time. But it is not a good look.

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sagehen  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:35:53pm

re: #102 Hecuba’s daughter

May be too late — it is likely to have spread to other provinces —though it does depend on how contagious it is.

reminder: when the plague swept Europe in the 14th century… the population was reduced by 40%.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:35:58pm

re: #173 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No I stripped off the twitterz.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:36:01pm

re: #138 Jay C

And this idiot woman used to be an actual judge: OK, County Court, but it’s still not like shes never seen a “prosecution” and a “defense” making statements about “guilt” or “innocence” before.
Lame hack…..

she, like all of them, know exactly what they’re saying
and why it’s ok to say it - because this entire process is so poorly defined and rarely used
(oh and because x% of the population are willingly, spoon-fed idiots)

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:36:37pm

re: #167 jaunte

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Rules and laws are for the little people.

As if the Dems needed more campaign ad fodder.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:36:45pm

re: #174 KGxvi

I’m not seeing anything in the standing impeachment trial rules that would require Senators to remain in their seats the whole time. But it is not a good look.

Definitely an invitation for opp ads.

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:38:15pm

re: #179 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Definitely an invitation for opp ads.

So much of this impeachment saga is an invitation of opp ads.

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:38:28pm

re: #174 KGxvi

I’m not seeing anything in the standing impeachment trial rules that would require Senators to remain in their seats the whole time. But it is not a good look.

This is an interesting comment…

Hell, Chuck should tell ‘em all to go get a snack.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:39:31pm

re: #175 sagehen

reminder: when the plague swept Europe in the 14th century… the population was reduced by 40%.

There’s estimates that as much as 60% of Europe’s population was wiped out. That’s truly staggering.

It’s analogous to the population losses in the Americas after first contact. Complete and utter demographic devastation.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:39:31pm

re: #153 sagehen

Marital privilege is absolute.

there are in fact exceptions

and (as ianal) while you cant be compelled to testify, you can certainly volunteer

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:40:17pm
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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:40:56pm

re: #181 makeitstop

This is an interesting comment…

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Hell, Chuck should tell ‘em all to go get a snack.

It’d be an interesting play by the Coward Caucus (Cruz, Rubio, Sasse, Romney, Collins, Gardner, etc) in the Senate to do the math and figure out how many of them could just not show up when it comes time to vote on conviction/acquittal.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:41:25pm

Klobuchar: You can’t have a trial without witnesses. Bingo.

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:41:37pm

re: #185 KGxvi

It’d be an interesting play by the Coward Caucus (Cruz, Rubio, Sasse, Romney, Collins, Gardner, etc) in the Senate to do the math and figure out how many of them could just not show up when it comes time to vote on conviction/acquittal.

I could live with that.

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:42:16pm

re: #150 Dread Pirate

He means that we’re “acting” like Pakistan, an unstable religion-tied government with nuclear weapons.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:44:21pm
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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:44:35pm

re: #186 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Klobuchar: You can’t have a trial without witnesses. Bingo.

Yeah, but you can have a trial without testimony. That’s basically what a motion for summary judgment is. You have declarations/depositions and hard evidence and you make the determination based on that.

In this case, since the hard evidence has been entered into the record and doesn’t require authentication/foundation that you would need in a normal trial, there’s an argument to be made (not a good one, but one) that witnesses are not necessary. The record is complete and it shows that Trump is guilty as fucking sin.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:45:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:46:29pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:46:52pm

re: #181 makeitstop

This is an interesting comment…

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Hell, Chuck should tell ‘em all to go get a snack.

Oh my god. GOP laziness inadvertently leads to Trump being convicted. That would be GLORIOUS.
(I know it will never happen, but still…)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:47:01pm

re: #191 jaunte

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Jim Jordan and His Gym Mats, everyone!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:48:56pm

This didn’t end well in the movie

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Chrysicat  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:50:35pm

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

It’s no longer a question of the UK’s remaining in the EU. Now it’s a question of the UK’s rejoining the EU at some point in the future.

Not an easy sell, to say the least, but then again, if Britain has a lost decade or so as a result of Brexit, it might make it more palatable, let’s say, about 20 years from now or so.

I don’t think that anyone other than Momentum’s members—even among younger English folks (since Scotland will leave by 2034 even if it requires a Troubles—Scots Edition to get there)—would ever accept retiring the Pound and joining Schengen.

At this hope, England’s hopes for being permitted to join a superstate made up of EU members basically boil down to the entire EU constitution being tossed, which I can only see happening if Germans and French folks see that they will be forced to serve as Latin America to Putin’s Washington without England and somehow England is the deciding factor in keeping them truly free.

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:51:33pm

re: #193 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh my god. GOP laziness inadvertently leads to Trump being convicted. That would be GLORIOUS.
(I know it will never happen, but still…)

It would be pretty great if Chuck had interns keeping a running head count, just in case…

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:52:56pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

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Ah, I see “The Brain Trust” have found time in their busy schedules to speak with the press.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:54:47pm

re: #109 makeitstop

First new Pearl Jam in, what, 7 years, has dropped.

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Video

Tastes kinda like Depeche Mode.

Lyric phrasing kinda reminds me of Talking Heads

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:56:04pm
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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:56:11pm

re: #199 Eventual Carrion

Lyric phrasing kinda reminds me of Talking Heads

Someone on my FB said that. Imma have to listen again, I was kinda distracted by the electronics. :)

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retired cynic  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:58:05pm

re: #38 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Poor No. 10 Downing Street (1898 edition) was torn apart by pitbulls.

Happened to one of my kitties. It’s not the dog’s fault; it’s the weenie-dicked owners.

Happened to one of mine, too, within the last 3 years… horrible.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 12:58:58pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:00:59pm
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Disloyal Archangel  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:02:39pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:08:21pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:08:43pm

re: #159 The Pie Overlord!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:08:56pm

re: #206 Dave In Austin

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They’ll never get me!

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:09:44pm

re: #206 Dave In Austin

Looks like McNaughton left a great career painting portraits in the local mall.

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plansbandc  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:11:40pm

Today’s my libertarian friend’s take:

Sport stars get paid tons of money, so they should be required to play hurt.

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:11:49pm

re: #209 jaunte

Looks like McNaughton left a great career painting portraits in the local mall.

Why charge $14.99 when you can charge a fool $1499?

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:12:30pm

re: #210 plansbandc

Today’s my libertarian friend’s take:

Sport stars get paid tons of money, so they should be required to play hurt.

Chop off his arm in the morning and tell him to go to work.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:12:37pm

re: #210 plansbandc

Today’s my libertarian friend’s take:

Sport stars get paid tons of money, so they should be required to play hurt.

Yikes.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:12:39pm

re: #211 Belafon

Could be Hannity, could be uncle Fred, could be the manager of the Cinnabon.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:12:51pm

re: #211 Belafon

Why charge $14.99 when you can charge a fool $1499?

$1488…

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Jay C  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:14:18pm

re: #196 Chrysicat

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

It’s no longer a question of the UK’s remaining in the EU. Now it’s a question of the UK’s rejoining the EU at some point in the future.

Not an easy sell, to say the least, but then again, if Britain has a lost decade or so as a result of Brexit, it might make it more palatable, let’s say, about 20 years from now or so.

***

I don’t think that anyone other than Momentum’s members—even among younger English folks (since Scotland will leave by 2034 even if it requires a Troubles—Scots Edition to get there)—would ever accept retiring the Pound and joining Schengen.

At this hope, England’s hopes for being permitted to join a superstate made up of EU members basically boil down to the entire EU constitution being tossed, which I can only see happening if Germans and French folks see that they will be forced to serve as Latin America to Putin’s Washington without England and somehow England is the deciding factor in keeping them truly free.

I dunno: the whole Brexit deal was formulated (besides the “Chuck The Bloody Foreigners Out” part, which was always one of the main sells) on the premise that the UK was such an economic powerhouse, that once “free” of onerous European “overregulation” and “interference”, 1) Europe would be forced to deal with Britain on British terms, and 2) said “powerhouse” status would allow them to deal with the rest of the world as they liked.
Well, 1) has been busted as a fantasy already: though there is a lot to be worked out, the EU, so far, hasn’t been inclined to cut the UK much slack regarding trade regs, tariffs, etc: and there is really little impetus for them to do so. And 2) is still (as it has been from the beginning) a “remains to be seen” scenario. Though it’s a certainty that the Tory Government is going to try to spin out any bad economic repercussions from Brexit for as long as possible, mask which ones they can, and likely spend most of the time trying to craft a message blaming Someone Else for the problems.

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EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:14:27pm

re: #210 plansbandc

Today’s my libertarian friend’s take:

Sport stars get paid tons of money, so they should be required to play hurt.

Libertarians are one third of the Unholy Trinity that has got the US into the mess that it is in: GOP assholes, libertarian tax evaders, and both-siderist pieces of shit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:14:52pm

re: #212 Belafon

Chop off his arm in the morning and tell him to go to work.

I was about to make this same comment.

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:15:13pm

re: #211 Belafon

Why charge $14.99 when you can charge a fool $1499?

You know Lumpy’s buying that one.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:16:22pm

re: #190 KGxvi

Yeah, but you can have a trial without testimony. That’s basically what a motion for summary judgment is. You have declarations/depositions and hard evidence and you make the determination based on that.

In this case, since the hard evidence has been entered into the record and doesn’t require authentication/foundation that you would need in a normal trial, there’s an argument to be made (not a good one, but one) that witnesses are not necessary. The record is complete and it shows that Trump is guilty as fucking sin.

except for all the witnesses barred from testifying and all the dox not produced when requested

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:17:16pm

re: #216 Jay C

The Tory government will simply blame the EU for any negative Brexit repercussions. Brussels is their all-purpose scapegoat, even when they’ll be out of the EU.

And with that, time to call it a day. Have fun, Lizards.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:18:32pm

re: #167 jaunte

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Rules and laws are for the little people.

I was wondering that too. A juror in a trial isn’t allowed to just leave for a while.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:18:43pm

re: #217 EPR-radar

Libertarians are one third of the Unholy Trinity that has got the US into the mess that it is in: GOP assholes, libertarian tax evaders, and both-siderist pieces of shit.

Add those Fundy Xtians to the mix!

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sagehen  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:19:33pm

re: #212 Belafon

Chop off his arm in the morning and tell him to go to work.

“just a flesh wound”

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:19:40pm
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Jay C  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:19:44pm

re: #209 jaunte

Looks like McNaughton left a great career painting portraits in the local mall.

Well, his new gig as political cartoonist seem to be working out fairly well…

but: I swear, am I the only one who thinks that Hannity abortion should be titled:
“The Fleeing Arsonist” ?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:20:36pm

re: #212 Belafon

Chop off his arm in the morning and tell him to go to work.

The SNL “steroid olympics” sketch where a power lifter rips his own arms off on an attempted lift…

He’s going to feel that in the morning!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:21:18pm

re: #226 Jay C

Well, his new gig as political cartoonist seem to be working out fairly well…

but: I swear, am I the only one who thinks that Hannity abortion should be titled:
“The Fleeing Arsonist” ?

Nah, he definitely looks like he’s fleeing what would be the most terroristic attack on a US civic institution.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:21:38pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

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I hated the Mr Peanut Christmas commericals.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:22:22pm

Well, this should be running on prime time tonight

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:24:00pm

re: #210 plansbandc

Today’s my libertarian friend’s take:

Sport stars get paid tons of money, so they should be required to play hurt.

Seahawks fan?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:24:36pm

Impressed with Rep Garcia, I definitely like the new generation of Texas elected Democrats.

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uriel  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:26:27pm
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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:27:22pm

Fascism is great for business.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:27:23pm

Shocked again but not surprised.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:28:14pm

re: #233 uriel

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DNC on line, 2. You’ve got an ad in the Rust Belt and Florida in the making.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:29:04pm

re: #234 jaunte

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Fascism is great for business.

Oh I thought he was going into the Navy or was that a farce.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:30:15pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

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I nominate this guy as Mr Peanut’s replacement:

Mr. Poopy Butthole
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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:31:02pm

re: #237 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Navy Reserve.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:31:22pm

re: #239 jaunte

Navy Reserve.

Ahhh ok.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:32:07pm

Probably not too taxing on his job saying “nuh-uh” on CBS.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:32:11pm

re: #234 jaunte

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Fascism is great for business.

The “liberal media” hiring yet another Republican failure for “political commentary.”

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:33:06pm

Trump currently calling Nadler a “sleazebag.”

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:33:38pm

controlling the Senate process is a problem and the major flaw is obvious:
- demonstrated here when a president’s party controls the process
- it’s also a major flaw when the opposition controls the process (clinton)

the house process is less problematic (for me)

speaking strictly to the rules

impeachment as a whole is rarely used
and it’s not spelled out too well
and has little ‘precedent’ - because precedent doesnt apply they way it does in courts

it doesnt use state or federal rules and really should only be carefully compared to them

it’s not only a hybrid - it’s separate from civil or criminal trials

it’s way more serious and the aspirations toward truth and accuracy should be way higher, and desireable by all parties

alas, they are way lower and being ground under the boot heel into meaninglessness

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:34:48pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:34:56pm

re: #243 jaunte

Trump currently calling Nadler a “sleazebag.”

I watched Nadler from start to finish, he talked about Ambassador Yovanovitch and her history of public service for presidents of both parties.

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b.d. (He's Impeached)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:34:58pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

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I’m guessing that Mr. Peanut faked his own death to skip out on all of those peanut allergy lawsuits.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:36:14pm

re: #246 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I watched Nadler from start to finish, he talked about Ambassador Yovanovitch and her history of public service for presidents of both parties.

Deep State!!!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:40:26pm

I’m understanding Schiff’s mindset. It matches my own that this was a continuation of the Russian election interference investigation crime and coverup.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:43:46pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:45:18pm

re: #250 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I don’t understand how you can be self professed antigovernment and love the man who insists on the most expansive view of the executive branch.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:46:20pm

re: #226 Jay C

Well, his new gig as political cartoonist seem to be working out fairly well…

but: I swear, am I the only one who thinks that Hannity abortion should be titled:
“The Fleeing Arsonist” ?

More like “Reichstag Fire II.”
They are getting blatant in their fantasizing here.

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calochortus  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:48:21pm

re: #252 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

More like Reichstag Fire II.
They are getting blatant in their fantasizing here.

Nah, it’s just a faulty understanding of the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812.
Mr. Revere is warning that the British are burning the Capitol.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:48:23pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:48:29pm

re: #251 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t understand how you can be self professed antigovernment and love the man who insists on the most expansive view of the executive branch.

He is still seen as the anti-politician, the man who wants to abolish government and run the country like his own private company…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:49:24pm

re: #251 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t understand how you can be self professed antigovernment and love the man who insists on the most expansive view of the executive branch.

the anti-government extremist (Toney) stabbed the Trump supporter (Knight)

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:49:26pm

re: #255 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Applauded by loons who imagine they’re part of his inner circle, when they’re among his many victims.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:50:06pm
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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:51:20pm

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

dailykos.com

At this hour, in an election “today,” with tensions high and vitriol flying, the contest stands:
* Bernie Sanders 52%, Trump 43%, Democrat wins by 9.
* Joe Biden 50%, Trump 43%, Democrat wins by 7.
* Mike Bloomberg 49%, Trump 42%, Republican-turned Democrat New Yorker defeats Democrat-turned Republican New Yorker by 7.
* Elizabeth Warren 48%, Trump 45%, Democrat wins by 3.
* Pete Buttigieg 47%, Trump 44%, Democrat wins by 3.
* Andrew Yang 46%, Trump 44%, Democrat leads by 2, within the theoretical sampling error.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:51:26pm

re: #258 jaunte

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We were totally open minded! Then Schiff said mean things and forced us to vote the other way!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:51:51pm

re: #255 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He i still seen as the anti-politician, the man who wants to abolish government and run the country like his own private company…

That’s not it. It’s more akin to the old Russian that the czar was just a rich peasant.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:52:46pm

re: #259 Belafon

dailykos.com

Whoa.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:53:54pm

re: #251 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t understand how you can be self professed antigovernment and love the man who insists on the most expansive view of the executive branch.

Answer—Trump ain’t that black guy who was in the White House for 8 years…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:54:29pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:54:30pm

re: #263 Joe Bacon 🌹

Answer—Trump ain’t that black guy who was in the White House for 8 years…

Pretty much. It’s just a hilarious disconnect.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:54:34pm

re: #262 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Whoa.

Do NOT get overconfident. It’s way too early for much polling of substance. We must work hard to fight Trump however possible until the last vote is counted on election day.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:54:47pm

re: #253 calochortus

Nah, it’s just a faulty understanding of the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812.
Mr. Revere is warning that the British are burning the Capitol.

I’ll stand by my assessment - a Party faithful burning down the legislative body and blaming it on “socialists” so that the ruler can assume absolute power with no checks (Trump and Republicans would pass Enabling Acts in a heartbeat if allowed), and marginalization/persecution of “others” becoming the norm of the day? Pretty much nails this group.

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:55:35pm

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

Do NOT get overconfident. It’s way too early for much polling of substance. We must work hard to fight Trump however possible until the last vote is counted on election day.

The point wasn’t that any of them would win, but that Trump’s got Yang looking like a contender he’s in that bad of shape.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:56:03pm

re: #251 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t understand how you can be self professed antigovernment and love the man who insists on the most expansive view of the executive branch.

They’re only anti-government when the government sees things differently than they do.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:56:06pm

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

Do NOT get overconfident. It’s way too early for much polling of substance. We must work hard to fight Trump however possible until the last vote is counted on election day.

Yang leading is pretty crazy. Trust me, I’m not getting overconfident, I’ve seen a lot of close elections in Va.

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:56:27pm

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

Do NOT get overconfident. It’s way too early for much polling of substance. We must work hard to fight Trump however possible until the last vote is counted on election day.

And I don’t think you have to worry about the people on this page being overconfident.

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calochortus  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:56:30pm

Meanwhile, I spent a fruitless morning at the DMV trying to get a Real ID. It seems my marriage certificate from 1977 that shows my maiden name and me marrying Mr. C. (complete with the fact that the info was recorded by Jefferson Co. CO, and where that record is) isn’t certified (like they gave out certified copies 42 years ago.) So, I get to send off for a certified copy. Yay. Then I can go back and spend another hour and a half in line to find out if it is good enough.
If I thought this was doing anyone any good safety-wise, I’d be fine with that. But if I were trying to produce fake documents, I feel confident I could have faked the embossing, so this is just something to annoy women who have ever been married to provide more Security Theater.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:56:42pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:56:46pm

re: #258 jaunte

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Apparently today’s talking point is “ADAM SCHIFF IS SO MEAN TO US!”

How is he mean? Simple: He’s not giving them a pass by acting as if they’re anything but partisan hacks.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:57:09pm

re: #253 calochortus

Nah, it’s just a faulty understanding of the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812.
Mr. Revere is warning that the British are burning the Capitol.

With a dome on the Capitol that was not started on until 1855, and not completed until 1865.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:57:34pm

re: #271 Belafon

And I don’t think you have to worry about the people on this page being overconfident.

Yeah after 2016. It was more whoa about Yang actually leading him. More so how much the presidency has changed.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:59:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:59:42pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 1:59:53pm

re: #275 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

With a dome on the Capitol that was not started on until 1855, and not completed until 1865.

If you look closely, you can see my cousin Mike raising the flag on Mount Surabachi and Reagan in a bulldozer dozing the Berlin Wall.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:01:59pm

re: #259 Belafon

dailykos.com

At this hour, in an election “today,” with tensions high and vitriol flying, the contest stands:
* Bernie Sanders 52%, Trump 43%, Democrat wins by 9.
* Joe Biden 50%, Trump 43%, Democrat wins by 7.
* Mike Bloomberg 49%, Trump 42%, Republican-turned Democrat New Yorker defeats Democrat-turned Republican New Yorker by 7.
* Elizabeth Warren 48%, Trump 45%, Democrat wins by 3.
* Pete Buttigieg 47%, Trump 44%, Democrat wins by 3.
* Andrew Yang 46%, Trump 44%, Democrat leads by 2, within the theoretical sampling error.

who wins and also flips the senate?

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:02:09pm

re: #259 Belafon

That’s not really a surprise. Trump’s ceiling has always been right around 45% (he got 46% in 2016, meaning 54% of voters voted for someone else).

What likely hurt Clinton in 2016 was weaker turn out (she got about 60k fewer votes than Obama did in 2012) and/or third party voting which was very strong in 2016 compared to most “two person” races historically.

Trump doesn’t have the luxury of the Greens or Libertarians running anyone that will actually get a real look from more than 1-3% of voters. Nor does he have the luxury of being an unknown agent of change. He now has a record and as a result the worst fucking approval ratings since… ever? He is probably in the weakest position that any incumbent president has been in, in my life time at least.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:02:14pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

the anti-government extremist (Toney) stabbed the Trump supporter (Knight)

How long before “anti-government” appears as “Toney, a registered Democrat” in Fox chyrons.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:03:19pm

re: #270 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yang leading is pretty crazy. Trust me, I’m not getting overconfident, I’ve seen a lot of close elections in Va.

Crazy wins elections. See Trump, Donald 2016.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:03:35pm

re: #280 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

who wins and also flips the senate?

Biden or Warren, I can see them having positive coattails and campaigning with Dem candidates all over the country.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:03:42pm

re: #281 KGxvi

What really hurt Clinton was all that bullshit Comey heaped on to her less than two weeks before the vote.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:03:57pm

re: #282 Barefoot Grin

How long before “anti-government” appears as “Toney, a registered Democrat” in Fox chyrons.

at the same time that “anti-government” becomes Antifa in their reports

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:04:10pm

re: #284 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Biden or Warren, I can see them having positive coattails and campaigning with Dem candidates all over the country.

I’d love to see Kamala get out there too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:04:26pm

re: #283 Shropshire Slasher

Crazy wins elections. See Trump, Donald 2016.

Two people who had never been elected to anything before three years ago. That’s all I mean.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:04:35pm

re: #277 jaunte

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Ted, there were legal and legitimate methods of asking the Ukrainian gov’t to investigate the Bidens for potential charges of corruption. Why did Trump use none of those? Because he didn’t want an investigation, he wanted the announcement of one because he felt that having his opponent under the shadow of such helped him last go around. If he actually got an investigation going, there was the worry that one or both men would be cleared before the election, which would help them and hurt him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:05:19pm

re: #289 Targetpractice

Ted, there were legal and legitimate methods of asking the Ukrainian gov’t to investigate the Bidens for potential charges of corruption. Why did Trump use none of those? Because he didn’t want an investigation, he wanted the announcement of one because he felt that having his opponent under the shadow of such helped him last go around. If he actually got an investigation going, there was the worry that one or both men would be cleared before the election, which would help them and hurt him.

Not only that, he ILLEGALLY withheld Military Aid after finding out he would not be getting said announcement.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:05:47pm

re: #287 Eclectic Cyborg

I’d love to see Kamala get out there too.

If the nominee is smart, they vet her. Julian Castro, Beto, too. Klobuchar could be good too. She’s popular in her home state.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:06:13pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:06:57pm
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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:08:05pm

re: #277 jaunte

Cruz: A reminder of what this is all about: any president — any administration — is justified in investigating corruption.

And there was serious evidence of real corruption concerning Hunter Biden on the board of Burisma.

no one disputes the first thing. no one.
the question is how, and where’s the paper trail and why wont anyone in the admin explain how this was done and why

as to the second - are you suggesting that the ‘serious evidence of real corruption concerning hunter biden” was cleared up in those 50-odd days the money was held to trumps satisfaction and so he released the money? If so, THEN WHAT THE HELL IS THE PROBLEM?

and if not, THEN WHY DID HE RELEASE THE MONEY?

ted cruz: idiot.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:08:25pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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When you’re stuck arguing that specific language does not appear in the prosecution’s filings, then you’ve pretty much given up on proving your client’s innocence and started working on what sort of appeals you’re going to be filing when he’s convicted.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:10:14pm

re: #284 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Biden or Warren, I can see them having positive coattails and campaigning with Dem candidates all over the country.

without the senate you’re a one term lame duck from day one

and will get blamed when the inevitable market / economy correction happens

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:10:34pm

re: #296 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

without the senate you’re a one term lame duck from day one

and will get blamed when the inevitable market / economy correction happens

Exactly

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:11:18pm

something completely OT but important:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:11:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:15:45pm

“hundreds of thousands”

O_o

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:17:36pm

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

What really hurt Clinton was all that bullshit Comey heaped on to her less than two weeks before the vote.

I’m not sure there was One Thing (tm) that hurt Clinton. It was death by a thousand cuts in 2016.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:17:46pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

“hundreds of thousands”

O_o

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Oh. So he’s gonna whine about his impeachment and maybe if they’re lucky, he’ll throw in a lie about legalized abortion because they need their red meat.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:18:25pm

re: #301 KGxvi

I’m not sure there was One Thing (tm) that hurt Clinton. It was death by a thousand cuts in 2016.

Perfect storm of a lot of shit. I think Comey was icing on the cake tho.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:18:57pm

i’m thinking about this:

and my 294

not that anyone cares what ted tweeted.
but he really just stepped in it real bad

ted is saying there was a question around H biden and that caused the money to be held
so then what happened?
- was it determined there actually was nothing there and so the $ were released?
- if it wasnt determined there was nothing there - why was the money released?

or is ted saying there was a question around H biden but thats not why the money was held? if so, then why?

in the words of john cleese (pet shop sketch / parrot) “it dont work”

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:19:28pm

re: #301 KGxvi

I’m not sure there was One Thing (tm) that hurt Clinton. It was death by a thousand cuts in 2016.

my exact thought

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:19:58pm

re: #301 KGxvi

I’m not sure there was One Thing (tm) that hurt Clinton. It was death by a thousand cuts in 2016.

True. There was no one event that put paid to her campaign, but Comey’s letter was one of the bigger items on the list. It would have weighed heavy on her campaign regardless of when it was released, but being dropped within days of the election itself amplified the effect.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:20:20pm

I don’t think we were ready for modern social media’s impact in 2016. This time, I think we are.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:22:28pm

Some good news for a change:

Click to Reveal

Some of you may remember my post about my cardiac issue back in June. Both coronary arteries blocked 90%. Heart working at 15% efficiency vs the normal 60%+. I was probably a few days away from keeling over according to the ER doc.

Well, I had my echo today and my cardiac function is back to normal. Pretty much a full recovery. Will likely have to be on a few of these meds forever but I’m not suffering any side effects, and they aren’t pricey thanks to generic options. Consider me extremely relieved.

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calochortus  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:23:04pm

re: #308 GlutenFreeJesus

Some good news for a change:

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Hooray!

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:24:41pm

re: #308 GlutenFreeJesus

Some good news for a change:

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+1
more efficient oxygen delivery to the brain is always welcome

like some other things, you don’t miss it till you’re not getting any

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:25:01pm

You know, all the talk about comparing Obama to Neville Chamberlain, Trump is the one who pulled something far worse here.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:25:24pm

re: #308 GlutenFreeJesus

Outstanding! So glad to hear your good news!

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:25:45pm
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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:26:06pm
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Jay C  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:29:06pm

re: #308 GlutenFreeJesus

Mazel Tov!
Hope the good news keeps up!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:39:17pm

re: #259 Belafon

dailykos.com

Broken record here!! broken record!! These polls aren’t worth the pixels that display them. First, it’s probably near impossible to get an unbiased random sample in these days of call id; most people don’t respond to calls, emails, and actual mailings — so the sample is not reflective of the voting population from the start. Second, these samples don’t reflect the effect of voter suppression or a change in voter demographics. Third, they don’t show what happens when a campaign starts in earnest — it’s easy to shine before the mud gets thrown at you. Let’s not forget the damage to Warren, Kamala forced out the of race — much of that was due to the blind hot focus of Bernie Bros. Bernie has been spared the Trump hatred because Trump knows that he will be easy pickings. And he will be.

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:43:49pm

re: #316 Hecuba’s daughter

I understand. The only reason I posted it at all was in response to “Trump being more popular than ever.” If he were, you wouldn’t be getting down to Yang for people beating him. It’s too early to think much of those polls other than in a broad sense, in this case meaning that Trump is unpopular.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:45:07pm

Can I just say that the impeachment managers are all doing a great job representing the country and the Democratic Party to the American people. There is no Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows, or Devin Nunes but a collection of statesmen and women from all around the country.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:45:53pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:47:08pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:47:10pm

re: #317 Belafon

I understand. The only reason I posted it at all was in response to “Trump being more popular than ever.” If he were, you wouldn’t be getting down to Yang for people beating him. It’s too early to think much of those polls other than in a broad sense, in this case meaning that Trump is unpopular.

Precisely. I really get why after 2016, we’re cynical but it is crazy to see an incumbent President in this shape given the economic perceptions.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:47:42pm

We can shut down the internet for a while, we have today’s winner.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:48:09pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:48:37pm

re: #320 Dread Pirate

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I nominate Colonel Vindman to be ambassador to Ukraine should he retire his commission.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:50:57pm

They’re showing why the refusal to allow witnesses was absurd.

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William Lewis  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:52:27pm

re: #210 plansbandc

Today’s my libertarian friend’s take:

Sport stars get paid tons of money, so they should be required to play hurt.

Take a baseball bat to his knees and see how he like his job.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:53:05pm

re: #325 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They’re showing why the refusal to allow witnesses was absurd.

This is why Repubs are so angry today. Not because Nadler said something “mean” to them, but because the House managers are putting on display for the public just how ridiculous the argument against witnesses/documents is and how much of a farce these proceedings are without such.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:53:16pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:54:55pm

Jeffries citing Federalist #51 and the beauty of separation of powers.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:55:38pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:57:03pm

re: #330 Dread Pirate

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Giuliani admitting that he works for Donald Trump, inc rather than the President of the United States.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:57:37pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:58:13pm

re: #330 Dread Pirate

The Simpsons - Oh Crap

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retired cynic  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:58:54pm

re: #332 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

If there’s a big parade, he wants to be at the head of it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:58:58pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 22, 2020 • 2:59:28pm

re: #301 KGxvi

I’m not sure there was One Thing (tm) that hurt Clinton. It was death by a thousand cuts in 2016.

Cuts that started decades earlier. There are some media assholes with quite a bit to answer for.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:02:04pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:02:42pm

re: #337 Dread Pirate

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Remember when Rand acted like Edward Snowden should be given a ticker parade?

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:03:07pm

re: #308 GlutenFreeJesus

Some good news for a change:

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I don’t think I am being too presumptuous in saying we all are relieved too!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:05:33pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:05:42pm

Can someone be brave and tell me how Fox is spinning this?

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:08:22pm
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Teddy's Person  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:08:48pm

re: #341 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Can someone be brave and tell me how Fox is spinning this?

FoxBot: It’s all so confusing. Please don’t bother watching, just let us explain it to you.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:08:52pm

re: #308 GlutenFreeJesus

Wonderful!!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:09:31pm

re: #343 Teddy’s Person

FoxBot: It’s all so confusing. Please don’t bother watching, just let us explain it to you.

Yeah that’s what I thought. CNN has the speakers uninterrupted.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:10:51pm

re: #345 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah that’s what I thought. CNN has the speakers uninterrupted.

To be clear, I’ve not watched Fox. Just seen some clips online. But what I said was the gist of it.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:11:14pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:11:14pm

re: #346 Teddy’s Person

To be clear, I’ve not watched Fox. Just seen some clips online. But what I said was the gist of it.

Gotcha.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:12:30pm
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Teddy's Person  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:14:15pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

But I saw more than one lawmakers ask for hot water

I wonder if there are some contraband tea bags around.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:16:14pm

re: #337 Dread Pirate

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As opposed to the “sources” that the GOP has relied upon to prop up their “corruption” case against Hunter Biden, who are totally not a bunch of Ukrainian ex-government employees who’ve an axe to grind with Joe for their being fired for corruption…

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:16:42pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Water with bubbles flavored perhaps with another clear liquid so that it’s juniper infused.”

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aatharuv  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:24:43pm

re: #4 The Pie Overlord!


OOPS. Trump just told on himself.

He said he’s looking to cut your Medicare and Social Security because it’s “the easiest of all things” to cut. pic.twitter.com

— DNC War Room (@DNCWarRoom) January 22, 2020

Every Democratic candidate and every Democratic and never-Trumper SuperPAC needs to broadcast this, and every campaign strategist needs to narrow cast this to everyone like the people holding the “Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!” signs.

Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands off My Medicare! - From 2009

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:24:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:25:27pm

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:26:00pm

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I was wondering what that was.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:26:36pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Code Pink’s cousin went to church.

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b.d. (He's Impeached)  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:26:39pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

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DIM PLANT!

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:27:24pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:27:51pm
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Chrysicat  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:28:05pm

re: #230 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:28:41pm

re: #361 Chrysicat

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They want American apartheid.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:29:20pm

Jeffries reminds me of Obama in a good way.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:29:29pm

re: #359 jaunte

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He was just spreading his seed around. What could be more pro-life than that?
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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:30:06pm

re: #364 A Three Hour Tour

Viruses are a *kind* of life.

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:31:55pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How many members of the international press made a quizzical face when he got to ‘Rushbo?’

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:32:30pm

re: #366 makeitstop

How many members of the international press made a quizzical face when he got to ‘Rushbo?’

No idea. Is Rush internationally well known?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:33:30pm

re: #367 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No idea. Is Rush internationally well known?

Except for sex tourism hotspots, probably not.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:34:23pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:34:47pm

re: #104 Teukka

Too late for us pebbles.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:34:50pm

“…the president* is guilty as sin, and they all know it, and they all know they can’t do anything about it because more senators don’t want to do anything about than do want to do anything about it. But the president* is as guilty as Jesse James, and they all know it. Every one of them knows it. They have to decide if they can live with that knowledge, and the tragedy is that they get to decide whether we have to live with it, too.”

esquire.com

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Chrysicat  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:36:11pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:41:39pm

Weather looks OK between Switzerland and Israel.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:43:56pm

re: #373 Dread Pirate

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Weather looks OK between Switzerland and Israel.

Look for the “peace plan” to suddenly disappear if Bibi fails yet again to win/cobble together a majority.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:44:12pm

good fucking grief

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:45:32pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:47:04pm

re: #376 Dread Pirate

OMB is Mulvaneys department, isn’t it?

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:48:06pm

yes

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 22, 2020 • 3:55:41pm

re: #365 jaunte

Viruses are a *kind* of life.

Understand the snark, but viruses are not alive; shift to a bacterial STD.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:00:28pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:01:55pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:03:51pm

re: #318 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Can I just say that the impeachment managers are all doing a great job representing the country and the Democratic Party to the American people. There is no Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows, or Devin Nunes but a collection of statesmen and women from all around the country.

Another person doing is a good job is Manchin. He’s been faithful on all the party-line vote so far, which is crucial.

Because of the both-siderist media, all it would take is one Senate Democrat voting with Senate Republicans to instantly create the “Bipartisan Senate rejects partisan House impeachment” shit-narrative.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:07:51pm

re: #382 EPR-radar

Another person doing is a good job is Manchin. He’s been faithful on all the party-line vote so far, which is crucial.

Because of the both-siderist media, all it would take is one Senate Democrat voting with Senate Republicans to instantly create the “Bipartisan Senate rejects partisan House impeachment” shit-narrative.

Great point. I don’t like him but credit where credit is due.

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EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:07:53pm

re: #359 jaunte

Even better: “Procurer of multiple abortions for his mistresses becomes first president to attend March for Life rally.”

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cat-tikvah  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:10:43pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Toomey is my spineless lickspittle of a GOP Senator. His office assured me today that Toomey wants a fair trial, he just wants to hear both sides first.
I told them that was ridiculous and if that were true he would have voted for documents and witnesses.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:11:22pm

re: #296

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:13:26pm

re: #384 EPR-radar

Even better: “Procurer of multiple abortions for his mistresses become first president to attend March for Life rally.”

Unfortunately there were no serious reports confirming that allegation. Would love to see it — but it won’t matter because he will simply claim that happened before he was “saved” .

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:13:32pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe he can talk about how he wanted Marla to abort Tiffany.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:14:59pm

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, are we bombing Beirut tonight too?

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:16:35pm

re: #389 Ace Rothstein

JFC, are we bombing Beirut tonight too?

Probably just cutting all aid.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:19:13pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:20:31pm

re: #368 Eclectic Cyborg

Except for sex tourism child rape hotspots, probably not.

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Jay C  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:24:56pm

re: #389 Ace Rothstein

JFC, are we bombing Beirut tonight too?

Not right away, probably: just our SoS doing his usual number of insulting a foreign government for not meeting some standard of something or other. In the case of Lebanon (and do we think Pompeo -or Trump - has the least fucking idea of the political realities there?) it’s probably muted (for once) Iran/Hezbollah-bashing. Which will be about as useful to this Admin as its been to most others…..

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:28:01pm

Neighbor brought over eggs a few days ago. He said his hens are laying like mad lately. Those larger ones in the bottom left part of the carton are duck eggs.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:30:38pm

Schiff is going to go down in history as a hero. All of the managers but students will know the name Adam Schiff.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:31:48pm

re: #391 Dread Pirate

I believe this has been Erik Prince’s goal all along. God it’s crazy how this reality resembles Metal Gear Solid 4 with the PMCs.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:33:20pm
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William Lewis  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:33:25pm

re: #394 Eventual Carrion

Neighbor brought over eggs a few days ago. He said his hens are laying like mad lately. Those larger ones in the bottom left part of the carton are duck eggs.

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Yum! I’m jelly. I eat eggs daily - cheap good food but lets face it, even the best mass market eggs are nothing like those from a small near by farm. I’m always in heaven when I get a dozen or two from my fathers birds. If I lived where I could set up a little coop, I’d get 4 hens in a heartbeat.

Duck eggs are fun, so are turkey and goose though you’ll pay to get them out of a goose’s nest box!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:34:31pm

re: #397 Dread Pirate

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Makes sense given all we know about Jared.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:34:55pm

Trump corruption is Kushner corruption and vice versa.

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:35:42pm
The U.S. Department of the Interior reportedly plans to permanently ground a civilian drone fleet, because the approximately 1,000 drones are partly sourced from China. The department concluded that the risk is too great that the devices could be used by China’s government for spying. The drones were used to help manage wildfires, map terrain, and monitor natural resources. The Interior Department said it would provisionally ground 810 camera drones while Interior Secretary David Bernhardt reviews their security risks. A department spokesperson said drones made in China or featuring Chinese components will stay grounded except for emergency use. Staff at several federal agencies have balked at the plan to permanently ground the drone fleet

orange.hosting.lsoft.com;

Yeah, for some reason I’m not buying the spying angle in this case. I wouldn’t be surprised if another company that gives a lot of money to Trump turns up.

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BeachDem  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:36:35pm

Re: Sekulow (who is one creepy dude)

en.wikipedia.org
In November 2005, Legal Times published an article which alleged that Sekulow “through the ACLJ and a string of interconnected nonprofit and for-profit entities, has built a financial empire that generates millions of dollars a year and supports a lavish lifestyle—complete with multiple homes, chauffeur-driven cars, and a private jet that he once used to ferry Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.” In the article, Former donors and supporters claimed that Sekulow engaged in a pattern of self-dealing to finance his “high-flying lifestyle.” …

On June 27 and 28, 2017, The Guardian reported that documents obtained by them confirmed later that “millions in donations” were steered to his family members, that Sekulow “approved plans to push poor and jobless people to donate money to his Christian nonprofit, which since 2000 has steered more than $60m to Sekulow, his family and their businesses”, and that attorneys general in New York and North Carolina opened investigations of Sekulow’s CASE for possibly using pressure tactics in telemarketer calls to raise money which was allegedly misdirected to Sekulow and his family.

As of January 22, 2020 there have been no charges or misappropriation of finances charged by any of the named states.

My question is WHY NOT???

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:39:27pm

re: #394 Eventual Carrion

Neighbor brought over eggs a few days ago. He said his hens are laying like mad lately. Those larger ones in the bottom left part of the carton are duck eggs.

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Where did the invisible ones in the bottom right part come from?

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Jay C  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:40:19pm

re: #402 BeachDem

Why no investigations?

I think the answer starts with “T”, and has a big fat “rump” following behind….

405
The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:41:25pm

Somebody asked what’s on Fox while POS45 is on trial.

406
retired cynic  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:45:39pm

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

Somebody asked what’s on Fox while POS45 is on trial.

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I read that the Hillary statement on Sanders was from a video from 2016, 20 seconds out of a 4 hour program. Oddly enough, someone pulled it out, asked Hillary if she still stood by that, and started hammering the story. Ratf*ckers.

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BeachDem  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:48:11pm

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

Somebody asked what’s on Fox while POS45 is on trial.

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And on CBS, Reince spews bullshit (great get, CBS) and Norah and the gang just nod along.

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Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:49:13pm

re: #407 BeachDem

And on CBS, Reince spews bullshit (great get, CBS) and Norah and the gang just nod along.

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Of the three original networks, CBS seems to be the most conservative.

409
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:50:49pm

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

Somebody asked what’s on Fox while POS45 is on trial.

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So that’s why he’s talking about Bernie. And yes it was me who asked. I watched the entire case from Nadler to Jeffries with no interruptions.

410
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:51:26pm

re: #408 Belafon

Of the three original networks, CBS seems to be the most conservative.

Not sure what you mean by that. CBS News division seems to me, the past few years, to have done a better job than ABC or NBC in not carrying water for the Trump gang and the religious right.

411
plansbandc  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:54:15pm

re: #408 Belafon

CBS Morning Show is a propaganda extravaganza. Sometimes I scream at the screen and “ask” Gayle if it was worth selling her fucking soul to CBS.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:55:17pm

re: #404 Jay C

re: #402 BeachDem

Re: Sekulow (who is one creepy dude)

en.wikipedia.org
In November 2005, Legal Times published an article which alleged that Sekulow “through the ACLJ and a string of interconnected nonprofit and for-profit entities, has built a financial empire that generates millions of dollars a year and supports a lavish lifestyle—complete with multiple homes, chauffeur-driven cars, and a private jet that he once used to ferry Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.” In the article, Former donors and supporters claimed that Sekulow engaged in a pattern of self-dealing to finance his “high-flying lifestyle.” …

On June 27 and 28, 2017, The Guardian reported that documents obtained by them confirmed later that “millions in donations” were steered to his family members, that Sekulow “approved plans to push poor and jobless people to donate money to his Christian nonprofit, which since 2000 has steered more than $60m to Sekulow, his family and their businesses”, and that attorneys general in New York and North Carolina opened investigations of Sekulow’s CASE for possibly using pressure tactics in telemarketer calls to raise money which was allegedly misdirected to Sekulow and his family.

As of January 22, 2020 there have been no charges or misappropriation of finances charged by any of the named states.

My question is WHY NOT???

Looks like this has been going on for years — way before Trump became president. There is something terribly wrong with a tax system that allows so many to set up charities that benefit them personally. Trump was forced to give up his charity — let’s hope that someone will do the same to Sekulow’s and force him to pay millions in taxes.

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William Lewis  Jan 22, 2020 • 4:58:36pm

re: #410 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Not sure what you mean by that. CBS News division seems to me, the past few years, to have done a better job than ABC or NBC in not carrying water for the Trump gang and the religious right.

I’d say you’re both right: the key is that the CBS News folks are more old school conservative (actually rather Burke-sian in it’s approach - not that things can’t or shouldn’t change, just that one should carefully think about the changes). Hence no love for the fuckery that is Trump (whom NBC sold their soul to ages ago) .

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:02:28pm
415
The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:07:14pm
416
Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:08:31pm
417
Patricia Kayden  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:10:15pm

re: #414 jaunte

Very proud of how Democrats are handling themselves in the Senate. It’s obvious that Trump is guilty as hell in regard to the two charges. The only question is will House Democrats impeach him again as more information comes out about his corruption.

418
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:15:09pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

I talked to a friend in Germany last night, and she told me everyone she knows is very worried about America. And she’s pretty far to the left, so she didn’t have a terrific opinion of America to start with. Now she says people are afraid they’re watching the rise of a new fascist super-power.

Chessplaying friends around the world are e-mailing me with the same fear!

419
Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:16:49pm

This is ridiculous: Senators can only drink milk or water during the hearings. One of the few situations in which I am totally on board with a Republican Senator Kevin Cramer, “I drink coffee from the minute I wake up until bedtime…. It’s the only drug that I use or abuse, with the exception of occasional ibuprofen.” Although not personally addicted to coffee, I am totally sympathetic to Cramer — why such a ridiculous limitation?

420
Patricia Kayden  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:17:03pm

re: #407 BeachDem

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BeachDem  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:19:02pm

re: #420 Patricia Kayden

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Sooo, Reince is not only full o’shit, but has the personality of a moldy kitchen sponge. Again I say, great get, CBS.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:19:14pm

re: #420 Patricia Kayden

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Hire a liar, that happens.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:22:26pm

He was hanging out in the coat room all day, that’s why he didn’t hear anything.

424
The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:24:15pm

Mood.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:24:22pm
426
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:25:27pm

re: #423 The Pie Overlord!

He was hanging out in the coat room all day, that’s why he didn’t hear anything.

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He’s gaslighting. I heard it all. Hawley is said to have presidential aspirations of his own. He’s not going to want to be seen as anything other than loyal to Trump.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:30:24pm

re: #423 The Pie Overlord!

428
Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:30:27pm
429
goddamnedfrank  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:33:21pm
430
Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:33:43pm

re: #428 Dread Pirate

I hope they tell him to fuck off.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:36:06pm

re: #423 The Pie Overlord!

He was hanging out in the coat room all day, that’s why he didn’t hear anything.

Hawley is following the Bill Barr legal interpretation — anything a Republican President does is fine. As Trump says, Article 2 gives him the power to do whatever his little heart desires.

432
makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:36:41pm

re: #416 Dread Pirate

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How far in debt can Trump and Kushner possibly be to KSA?

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:38:21pm

re: #432 makeitstop

Lol. There’s no limit.

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makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:39:58pm

re: #424 The Pie Overlord!

Mood.

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That video made my wife the wine drinker very sad.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:44:55pm

Well, you could offer to testify under oath to correct the record.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:48:13pm

re: #435 Dread Pirate

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Well, you could offer to testify under oath to correct the record.

They demonstrated their case with a thing called evidence, you go on FNC with no evidence and lies and your undeserved reputation as a “hero” after 9/11 that other men and women including some undocumented immigrants and Muslims that your boss scapegoated deserve the title far more than.

437
The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:50:42pm
438
Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 5:59:02pm

The right to be a furry shall not be infringed:

A group of six people attending the FurCon Convention in California did not expect the night to end with them being deemed heroes. The group was leaving the convention in San Jose Friday when they heard a woman screaming and spotted a man assaulting his girlfriend, NBC reported. According to a police report by the San Jose Police Department, the man was assaulting the woman in a car when the witnesses approached. After seeing the assault, the furries intervened by opening the car doors, pulling the man off the woman, and restraining him before police arrived, officials said.

439
Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:11:20pm
440
The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:13:14pm

fuck.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:13:15pm
442
Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:19:03pm
443
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:19:48pm

Wuhan lockdown, Lookner live.

The entire city of Wuhan, China is going under quarantine lockdown in an attempt to contain the China virus. Get the latest on the Wuhan lockdown in our LIVE BREAKING NEWS COVERAGE.

The Wuhan lockdown will begin at 10am local time (9pm ET). Starting at that time, no people will be allowed to leave Wuhan. Wuhan’s airport and train stations will be shut down, and all public transportation (such as buses, the subway, and ferries) will be halted. By imposing a quarantine on Wuhan (population 11 million), China hopes to help stop the spread of a new virus, the Novel Coronavirus, which has infected over 540 people in China and killed 17.

Wuhan Lockdown: China Virus Quarantine - LIVE BREAKING NEWS COVERAGE

444
EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:23:16pm

re: #443 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I suppose they have to try a quarantine, but if this new virus spreads comparably to common colds, it will be futile.

445
Charles Johnson  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:24:58pm

Slightly disappointed to discover that Cody Johnston is a Bernie bro. I’m always the last to find out.

446
steve_davis  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:26:43pm

re: #43 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

“World’s Greatest Deliberative Body” my ass.

Definition: Deliberation is a process of thoughtfully weighing options, usually prior to voting. Deliberation emphasizes the use of logic and reason as opposed to power-struggle, creativity, or dialog.

When was the last time that happened?

This is a trial like Socrates’. One side is offering compelling logic, soaked in the arrogance of the academic grove, and the other side is a bunch of carpet-bagging death heads.

447
The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:28:18pm

fuck.

448
Hecuba's daughter  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:29:49pm

re: #444 EPR-radar

I suppose they have to try a quarantine, but if this new virus spreads comparably to common colds, it will be futile.

If it spread like the common cold, wouldn’t there be far more than 540 cases in China at this time?

449
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:30:31pm

Hannity showing a Trump campaign video instead of covering the trial; keeping the sheeple ignorant.

450
William Lewis  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:31:17pm

re: #446 steve_davis

This is a trial like Socrates’. One side is offering compelling logic, soaked in the arrogance of the academic grove, and the other side is a bunch of carpet-bagging death heads.

Interesting metaphor. It’s a pity that the mango moron will not be the one taking the cup of hemlock rather than feeding it to the constitution instead.

451
EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:31:58pm

I’ve just thought of the perfect Native-American style name for Trump: Shitting Bull.

452
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:33:35pm

re: #443 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Wuhan lockdown, Lookner live.

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Wow that is serious, that’s like if we quarantined Chicago during Thanksgiving.

453
Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:34:00pm

re: #451 EPR-radar

You better copyright that before I steal it.

454
A Three Hour Tour  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:34:53pm

re: #438 Belafon

The right to be a furry shall not be infringed:

The Heroes We Need.

455
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:36:58pm

re: #454 A Three Hour Tour

The Heroes We Need.

Happy belated one year anniversary, young lizard!

456
EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:37:00pm

re: #453 Ace Rothstein

You better copyright that before I steal it.

Steal it. Propagate it. Ideas like that need to fly free.

457
Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:39:32pm
458
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:41:15pm

re: #451 EPR-radar

I’ve just thought of the perfect Native-American style name for Trump: Shitting Bull.

Back in the day, I referred to the infamous Ward Churchill as Chief Shitting Bull.

459
makeitstop  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:43:11pm

Meanwhile, in Philly…

Wait until John Oliver finds out.

460
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:44:35pm

Schiff made a masterful presentation. Glad I could watch part of it.

461
Interesting Times  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:46:35pm
462
EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:47:10pm

re: #458 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Back in the day, I referred to the infamous Ward Churchill as Chief Shitting Bull.

Ah. The ‘little Eichmans’ clown who single-handedly did more than any other to deflect legit consideration of 9/11 as the kind of blowback to be expected into language wars.

463
EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:48:29pm

re: #461 Interesting Times

John Roberts doesn’t give a shit. That’s pretty much his only job as a GOP supreme court justice — pretending that GOP outrages don’t exist in order to advance the GOP agenda.

464
Dread Pirate  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:50:04pm

Just ask Puerto Rico!

465
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:50:31pm

re: #458 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Back in the day, I referred to the infamous Ward Churchill as Chief Shitting Bull.

Ward Churchill. Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a very long time.

466
EPR-radar  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:51:47pm

re: #464 Dread Pirate

The US commitment in the Caribbean and Latin America has nearly always been to United Fruit et al.

Trumpco will double down on this festering corruption.

467
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:52:06pm

Got my copy of “A Very Stable Genius” today. Look forward to reading it.

468
The Pie Overlord!  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:53:08pm
469
A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:53:53pm

Back from Galapagos. Here’s a tortoise.

470
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:55:37pm

re: #465 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ward Churchill. Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a very long time.

He got a big settlement from UC when they fired him, prompting this Churchillian witticism from an LGF poster.
“Never was so much owed by so many to a faux Sioux.”
Can’t remember which Lizard posted this gem. If you are among the survivors, step forward and receive your applause.

471
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:57:17pm

re: #469 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Back from Galapagos. Here’s a tortoise.

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That’s a helluva vacation. Following in Darwin’s footsteps.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:58:15pm

re: #470 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

He got a big settlement from UC when they fired him, prompting this Churchillian witticism from an LGF poster.
“Never was so much owed by so many to a faux Sioux.”
Can’t remember which Lizard posted this gem. If you are among the survivors, step forward and receive your applause.

That there’s funny, I don’t care who y’are.

473
William Lewis  Jan 22, 2020 • 6:58:52pm

re: #458 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Back in the day, I referred to the infamous Ward Churchill as Chief Shitting Bull.

That little shit. So much potential lost in a moment of his ego.

Fuck’em.

Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit - Cumberland Gap

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William Lewis  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:00:50pm

re: #470 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Christ that’s good. So fucking true. I wish I could claim that one.

475
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:01:34pm

Not a single GOP senator will show the courage of Fiona Hill or Colonel Vinman. They are a disgrace to the country.

476
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:05:27pm

I wish I could ask Romney, “Did you ever imagine you would trash your reputation in order to protect Donald Fucking Trump?”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:11:30pm

re: #475 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Not a single GOP senator will show the courage of Fiona Hill or Colonel Vinman. They are a disgrace to the country.

Every GOP Senator has already made it clear that Republicans can ignore the law. It does not apply to them because they are only answerable to God.

They have elevated Trump to be Dictator for Life to be succeeded by Princess Ivanka.

478
Belafon  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:11:48pm

re: #438 Belafon

I should have copied the tweet:

479
Ace Rothstein  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:16:57pm

re: #476 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He would just give you that smug grin while wearing his mom jeans.

480
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:18:49pm

The trial is having an effect. Trump is now 12 points underwater.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

481
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:20:28pm

Cannot watch any of that sham trial.

Now listening to Met Opera Radio and remembering how many times I read thru the Great Books Of The Western World.

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retired cynic  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:21:52pm

re: #481 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have followed everything that has gone on for months, and what Schiff especially has laid out has still surprised me when it is put in order and the connections pointed out. He is damned good.

483
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:24:13pm

re: #482 retired cynic

I have followed everything that has gone on for months, and what Schiff especially has laid out has still surprised me when it is put in order and the connections pointed out. He is damned good.

He is good. But he will fail to sway a single Republican since all of them have sold America out to Putin.

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retired cynic  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:25:01pm

re: #483 Joe Bacon 🌹

He is good. But he will fail to sway a single Republican since all of them have sold America out to Putin.

Oh, he’s not going to sway them. But some of the public that watches is going to be amazed at the blatant corruption.

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Cheechako  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:27:19pm

re: #482 retired cynic

I have followed everything that has gone on for months, and what Schiff especially has laid out has still surprised me when it is put in order and the connections pointed out. He is damned good.

The unrecognized heroes are the staff working for the impeachment managers. They have complied an outstanding outline of events for the managers to present to the Senate and to the public. This is truly a first class operation.

(edited)

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:33:33pm

re: #445 Charles Johnson

Slightly disappointed to discover that Cody Johnston is a Bernie bro. I’m always the last to find out.

Aw, damn it.

487
Jebediah, RBG  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:38:11pm

re: #470 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

He got a big settlement from UC when they fired him, prompting this Churchillian witticism from an LGF poster.
“Never was so much owed by so many to a faux Sioux.”
Can’t remember which Lizard posted this gem. If you are among the survivors, step forward and receive your applause.

That is brilliant!

488
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 22, 2020 • 7:40:53pm

An air tanker has crashed while fighting the fires in New South Wales

The NSW Rural Fire Service (RFS) is investigating reports of a large air tanker which crashed in the state’s south.

In a statement, it said “contact had been lost with a Large Air Tanker which was working in the Snowy Monaro area”.

“Local ground crews indicate the aircraft may have crashed,” the RFS said in a statement.

“A number of helicopters are in the area carrying out a search.”

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Semper Fi  Jan 22, 2020 • 8:26:17pm

re: #424 The Pie Overlord!

Mood.

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Now, why didn’t I secure the wine rack to the wall?…*#&^#?


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