ABC Has a Recording of Donald Trump Yelling ‘Take Her Out’ About Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

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Donald Trump swore over and over he didn’t know Russian bagman Lev Parnas. How surprised would you be to find out he was lying?

ABC’s headline says they have a recording that captures Trump saying he wanted Amb. Marie Yovanovitch “fired” — at an “intimate dinner” with none other than Lev Parnas and his crony Igor Fruman.

What he actually said, though, is more akin to a mob boss ordering a hit. “Take her out” obviously does not mean “I want her fired,” but ABC News is helpfully interpreting it in the best possible light for Trump.

The recording appears to contradict statements by President Trump and support the narrative that has been offered by Parnas during broadcast interviews in recent days. Sources familiar with the recording said the recording was made during an intimate April 30, 2018, dinner at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.

Trump has said repeatedly he does not know Parnas, a Soviet-born American who has emerged as a wild card in Trump’s impeachment trial, especially in the days since Trump was impeached.

“Get rid of her!” is what the voice that appears to be President Trump’s is heard saying. “Get her out tomorrow. I don’t care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. Okay? Do it.”

UPDATE at 1/24/20 10:22:59 am by Charles Johnson

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:07:00am
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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:07:08am

Trump could have sought Yovanovich’s removal through normal channels. That would require going to Pompeo, asking for her recall and removal.

He didn’t do that. He conducted a secret meeting and dinner with Parnas and Fruman where they talked about getting rid of her. How precisely would they do that? They’re not part of the government. They’re not officials who are in the chain of command. The only way you can read “get rid of her” is to think that they intend to do her personal harm. That’s evidence of conspiracy to engage in felonies - from assault, interfering in government official actions, etc. It’s all on audio.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:10:43am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:11:51am

These are the same types of events that Michael Cohen described when he testified in front of Congress. If ABC does have a good clean recording of said statements maybe we can try him for that in a court of law.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:14:20am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:21:39am

re: #1 Chrysicat

Is there any evidence that Clinton actually said this, other than it’s on a wingnut meme with an unflattering picture?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:23:32am
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:23:57am

From last thread but relevant here:

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:24:24am

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

Not that I’m aware of, but as I said it wouldn’t matter because it’s what I was thinking at the time.

Even if they did make it up from whole cloth, you don’t even need to uncover the truth, simply point out that anyone sane would have that sentiment.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:25:02am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

*Chef’s kiss*.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:26:45am

re: #4 PhillyPretzel

These are the same types of events that Michael Cohen described when he testified in front of Congress. If ABC does have a good clean recording of said statements maybe we can try him for that in a court of law.

What this case has lacked - that Watergate had - was the scratchy tape recordings of the President ranting & raving. It just made Nixon *sound* guilty - that there was something secret going on.

Tapes of Trump going off won’t sway the MAGAts — but they will influence the low-information dunderheads. They’ll see the graphic on the news and the impression will be “Trump is a crook!” because that’s the same graphic that the TV news uses everytime they get a tape of someone doing something crooked

THIS. THIS SAYS GUILT TO THE DUMMIES.
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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:27:26am

Even after everything that’s happened, people still want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. It’s some kind of self-destructive reflex.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:27:27am

The wingnut defense of Yovanovitch’s removal has been “SHE SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE PRESIDENT!” But there’s no way in Hell that it is acceptable to remove an ambassador on behalf of a bunch of corrupt Ukrainian thugs working for a corrupt businessman who is trying to trade “dirt” on a political opponent of the president for the DOJ dropping charges.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:29:24am
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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:29:38am

In other criminal news:

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:32:28am

re: #14 The Pie Overlord!

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:32:51am
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:35:12am

re: #15 lawhawk

In other criminal news:

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Looks like Sullivan is willing to at least entertain the idea that Flynn is serious about wanting to withdraw his plea, rather than this just being another plea from Powell for a pardon from Trump. I really hope Sullivan or the DOJ makes it clear at that hearing that if he goes through with this, his testimony in the plea deal can be used against him, that his decision to back out of that deal can also be used against him, and the DOJ will be dragging Junior into court on the charges they were willing to waive as part of the deal. And then, as a cherry on top, remind him that this is the same judge who asked the DOJ prosecutors at that first sentencing hearing if they’d considered a charge of treason.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:37:39am

re: #14 The Pie Overlord!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:39:19am

The Times doing their best to ratfuck everything yet again…

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:41:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:42:11am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

The Times doing their best to ratfuck everything yet again…

Dems in Disarray, veering Hard Left…all we are going to hear about from the “serious” press…

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:43:04am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

The Times doing their best to ratfuck everything yet again…

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Not that Rogan didn’t do a spectacular job of it around midnight anyway…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:43:51am

“Take her out” … to the ballgame?

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:44:05am

re: #21 Targetpractice

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“The idea of new evidence is old news.”

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gocart mozart  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:44:21am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:44:53am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

The Times doing their best to ratfuck everything yet again…

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FUCK THE PROPAGANDA RAG THAT LIED US INTO A WAR THAT KILLED MY SON!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:45:36am

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

“Take her out” … to the ballgame?

“Take her out”…for a complimentary full round of golf at Mar a Lago!!

LOLOL

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:48:12am

Really wondering how the hell people are getting recording devices into close proximity with POTUS.

This isn’t just a security failure….it’s a security catastrophe.

If Parnas has this hanging over trump’s head….what the hell does every other competent intelligence agency have on him by now?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:50:16am

re: #29 Scottish Dragon

Really wondering how the hell people are getting recording devices into close proximity with POTUS.

This isn’t just a security failure….it’s a security catastrophe.

If Parnas has this hanging over trump’s head….what the hell does every other competent intelligence agency have on him by now?

Republican Senators don’t care as long as he packs the courts for them.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:51:20am

With every new revelation like this, the impact of the release of a “pee pee tape” grows less and less. Why? Because it’s getting harder and harder to see the man as any more petty than he already appears.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:52:45am
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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:53:58am

re: #31 Targetpractice

With every new revelation like this, the impact of the release of a “pee pee tape” grows less and less. Why? Because it’s getting harder and harder to see the man as any more petty than he already appears.

The point of the pee tape, other than to embarrass him, was to show he’s owned by Putin. I don’t think we have to prove that any more.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:55:41am
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plansbandc  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:56:42am

R.E.M. - It’s The End Of The World

Andddd I neeed boooze.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:58:05am

re: #35 plansbandc

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Andddd I neeed boooze.

I set out to lern the words to that song when the First Gulf War came out…

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:00:25am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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1) The warheads on those missiles were massive.
2) They were FAR more accurate than we were first told, and hit specific buildings.
3) Iran let us know they can wipe our theater bases out with a first strike if they so choose.

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Teukka  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:00:41am

Possibly NSFS (Not Safe For Sanity):

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:01:50am

re: #37 Scottish Dragon

1) The warheads on those missiles were massive.
2) They were FAR more accurate than we were first told, and hit specific buildings.
3) Iran let us know they can wipe our theater bases out with a first strike if they so choose.

And they gave the Iraqis a heads’up to remind us that they are still on good terms with them…

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:02:18am

It’s rather logical that President Trump would be against abortion.
One can do it without medical advice as long as there is no brain activity.
Inevitably, he feels threatened himself.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:07:20am

re: #32 Chrysicat

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:11:01am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:13:13am

Meanwhile the Press Corpse continues to kiss Trump’s ass.

washingtonpost.com

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:14:06am
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:15:23am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

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See also: The Space Force being forced to make a big song and dance about their “new” uniforms.

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William Lewis  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:20:24am

re: #45 Targetpractice

See also: The Space Force being forced to make a big song and dance about their “new” uniforms.

Eh, you get to do that kind of dog and pony show all the time in the military. It’s a PITA but it happens no matter who is in charge.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:20:53am

I actually made and consumed a PBJ this morning without knowing the significance of the day. I also did not know that grilled PBJs are a thing until I saw my friend Gail advocating them on Facebook.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:22:19am
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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:25:34am

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I actually made and consumed a PBJ this morning without knowing the significance of the day. I also did not know that grilled PBJs are a thing until I saw my friend Gail advocating them on Facebook.

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Now I’m extra glad one of the Snickers I pulled out of their variety bag this afternoon was a peanut butter one.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:28:11am

Oh he just talks that way but we’re the same people who made it an issue that Obama used I in a speech.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:30:08am

Elizabeth Warren keeps saying things that make me want to yell YES! THAT’S IT!

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:30:13am

You know what I realize pisses me off the most about the folks defending the Rogan endorsement, the promotion of such, and cries of outreach to Rogan’s audience: Where was this advocacy of outreach toward folks with ‘Identity Politics’ concerns? Oh, right, they were dismissed and mocked for being distractions from the real source of all conflict, economics. How dare people have concerns about the disparity in enforcement toward black populations, or the dismissal of non-white concerns far as actual economic concerns go?

Nope, lets cater to an audience that raptly listens to Jordan Peterson’s misogyny or Tim Pool’s constant alt-right fanboyism…you know, that apolitical audience that’s notoriously detached from politics and can be convinced to support the Revolution, rather than the most consistent of Dem support bases….

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:31:43am

re: #48 Scottish Dragon

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The problem with the whole “He just wanted her fired” spin is that he wasn’t talking to staff who have the power to have her recalled, he was talking to a couple of thugs at a private dinner. Any reporter spinning this as his expressing a desire to “fire her” is editorializing, not reporting the facts to the public.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:33:04am

This whole thing has turned into a Coen Brothers movie….

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:33:38am

The recording was April 2018. She was fired May 2019. Oh and despite Republicans and right wingers making her out to be a partisan, she was confirmed by a voice vote in the summer of 2016. She was a threat to Rudy and the boys. That’s why they went after her and on FNC because Trump would rather watch Hannity’s propaganda than actually learn about Ukraine.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:33:44am

re: #48 Scottish Dragon

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:34:31am

re: #54 Scottish Dragon

This whole thing has turned into a Coen Brothers movie….

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It’s been a Coen Bros movie but now Scorsese is tuning the script. John Turturro can play Rudy though.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:35:41am

If he wasn’t occupying a cell right now, I’d call in Michael Cohen to get his impression of what Trump could mean when he tells an underling to “Take her out!” in a private setting where he thinks nobody is listening in. Particularly since Cohen is on record as saying that Trump never gives explicit orders.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:36:01am

I can’t imagine how low morale in the State Department is when you’ve got Trump and Pompeo thinking the State Department is their fiefdom.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:39:20am

re: #55 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The recording was April 2018. She was fired May 2019. Oh and despite Republicans and right wingers making her out to be a partisan, she was confirmed by a voice vote in the summer of 2016. She was a threat to Rudy and the boys. That’s why they went after her and on FNC because Trump would rather watch Hannity’s propaganda than actually learn about Ukraine.

They wanted her out of the way for the same reason most corrupt operations try to remove incorruptible officials through legal means or (failing that) less-than-legal ones. She wasn’t on the take, she was supporting efforts that were hurting their business, and she was blocking their efforts to influence her superiors. If Trump hadn’t had her recalled, I worry they might have gone for broke and arranged an “accident” to either force her out…or worse.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:41:13am
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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:42:46am

Bear in mind that I think Bernie was already too cuddly with Strasserism, since the folks who like his platform the most have a quiet part they occasionally say out loud that this is about getting cishet men into jobs where they can support an entire nuclear family on one income.
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:43:50am

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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As far as election stunts go, this one is pretty fucking desperate. The discovery alone will be hilarious, assuming she’s willing to take it that far. Tulsi should be reminded that one of the strongest defenses against such suits is the truth.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:44:26am

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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God she’s so pathetic.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:44:31am

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:44:50am

re: #62 Chrysicat

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Bear in mind that I think Bernie was already too cuddly with Strasserism, since the folks who like his platform the most have a quiet part they occasionally say out loud that this is about getting cishet men into jobs where they can support an entire nuclear family on one income.

Bah. Added the part that wasn’t a tweet after someone else posted below me.

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BeachDem  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:45:33am

re: #57 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s been a Coen Bros movie but now Scorsese is tuning the script. John Turturro can play Rudy though.

CIA Supervisor: Jesus Fucking Christ. What did we learn, Palmer?
Palmer: I don’t know sir.
CIA Supervisor: I don’t fucking know either. I guess we learned not to do it again. I’m fucked if I know what we did.
Palmer: Yes sir, it’s hard to say.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:45:49am

re: #63 Targetpractice

She’s a paid agitator, so she’ll keep agitating. This is just her latest stunt to stay in the headlines.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:45:54am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:46:25am

Sanders, Trump, the Pauls, all part of the whiny white guy complex.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:47:30am
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:47:46am

re: #68 jaunte

She’s a paid agitator, so she’ll keep agitating. This is just her latest stunt to stay in the headlines.

Ayep. Which is why one of the first questions anybody looking at this lawsuit should ask is “Who the fuck is funding this?” Seems rather odd that a campaign that’s struggling to just tread water has the money to take on the Clintons and their lawyers.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:47:55am

re: #52 Citizen K

Additionally:

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:49:02am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:49:39am

re: #73 Citizen K

Additionally:

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How come it’s okay to demand people vote for Bernie for “electability” reasons but not okay for others. I’m not voting for Bernie because I’m not voting for someone who is a jerk to immigrants.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:51:32am

No shit, Trey.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:52:32am

re: #73 Citizen K

Additionally:

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Berner: “SCREW PARTY UNITY, IF BERNIE DOESN’T GET NOMINATED, WE’RE VOTING OUR CONSCIENCE OR SITTING IT OUT!”

Also Berner: “THE PARTY NEEDS TO UNITE BEHIND BERNIE BECAUSE HE’S THE ONLY GUY WHO CAN WIN, AS A VOTE FOR ANYBODY ELSE MEANS TRUMP WILL WIN!”

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:53:02am

re: #76 jaunte

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No shit, Trey.

Blind squirrel finds nut.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:54:47am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:54:53am

re: #76 jaunte

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No shit, Trey.

What happened to Trey joining the Trump defense team? And yeah no shit. Trump has lied- throughout and he’s going to keep doing it.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:55:56am

After a holiday season of beer and beef I became tres gouty.

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:56:02am

re: #57 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s been a Coen Bros movie but now Scorsese is tuning the script. John Turturro can play Rudy though.

when does Quentin Tarantino get to revise the script, to kill the Nazis and Confederates in spectacular fashion?

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:56:37am

re: #81 Barefoot Grin

But with better hair, naturally.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:56:48am

re: #75 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

How come it’s okay to demand people vote for Bernie for “electability” reasons but not okay for others. I’m not voting for Bernie because I’m not voting for someone who is a jerk to immigrants.

re: #77 Targetpractice

Berner: “SCREW PARTY UNITY, IF BERNIE DOESN’T GET NOMINATED, WE’RE VOTING OUR CONSCIENCE OR SITTING IT OUT!”

Also Berner: “THE PARTY NEEDS TO UNITE BEHIND BERNIE BECAUSE HE’S THE ONLY GUY WHO CAN WIN, AS A VOTE FOR ANYBODY ELSE MEANS TRUMP WILL WIN!”

Yep. The sheer open hypocrisy is just…

The fact that he’s constantly getting rewarded more and more for this is just giving me PTSD because we’ve seen this movie before, but instead, we’re the villains, we’re the ones destroying all hope and “letting Trump win”. And the harder you fight, the more you get ground down into the ground and hated on all the more, not just for being you but for all your policies and issues All movement I see is just people running screaming toward the worst of us, because someone said the great Hilbeast’s name or some shit, or didn’t pay great fealty to the White Working Class.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:57:01am

I’m actually less down on Bernie’s electability chances than others are because I feel we’re in a strange new world but where I am definitely down on Bernie is his ability to be an effective President. Who would a President Sanders have his as his chief of staff? Who would his AG, SOS, etc be? The thing that frustrates me about Sanders is that he like Trump surrounds himself only with admirers not people who have the courage to tell him when he’s wrong or being too stubborn.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:57:18am

re: #38 Teukka

Possibly NSFS (Not Safe For Sanity):

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I wonder what these Qassholes will do when it comes out that Q is Russian?

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:00:16pm

re: #44 Chrysicat

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That character on tRump’s left arm looks like the Muppet Ernie gone bad.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:01:03pm

re: #87 Eventual Carrion

That character on tRump’s left arm looks like the Muppet Ernie gone bad.

They all look like deranged Muppets.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:02:02pm

re: #88 makeitstop

They all look like deranged Muppets.

They should; it’s an Avenue Q parody, which was in turn what, again?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:03:13pm

re: #82 sagehen

when does Quentin Tarantino get to revise the script, to kill the Nazis and Confederates in spectacular fashion?

Better with James Cameron. Helicopter gunships and power armor mech suits to blow up the 3rd act.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:03:31pm
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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:03:34pm

re: #76 jaunte

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No shit, Trey.

I think I have to give Trey the same review I gave Justin Amash: “he actually believes the things he says he believes. There’s just no room for that in Kevin McCarthy’s caucus.”

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:04:08pm

re: #88 makeitstop

They all look like deranged Muppets.

The Muppets made fun of Trump decades ago. They had his number from the beginning.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:04:53pm

re: #91 jaunte

I made that same point above. I’m sure others are pointing that out too.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:05:23pm

re: #80 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

What happened to Trey joining the Trump defense team? And yeah no shit. Trump has lied- throughout and he’s going to keep doing it.

trump has got them defending contradictory and utter nonsense actions and positions they wouldnt let stand for one second from a Democrat

he’s making fools out of all the Senate R’s

then he does something even more idiotic than yesterday (hell this morning) and they go “thank you sir and please may i have another”

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:06:01pm
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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:06:45pm

re: #85 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m actually less down on Bernie’s electability chances than others are because I feel we’re in a strange new world but where I am definitely down on Bernie is his ability to be an effective President. Who would a President Sanders have his as his chief of staff? Who would his AG, SOS, etc be? The thing that frustrates me about Sanders is that he like Trump surrounds himself only with admirers not people who have the courage to tell him when he’s wrong or being too stubborn.

…or know the job

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:07:57pm

re: #85 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m actually less down on Bernie’s electability chances than others are because I feel we’re in a strange new world but where I am definitely down on Bernie is his ability to be an effective President. Who would a President Sanders have his as his chief of staff? Who would his AG, SOS, etc be? The thing that frustrates me about Sanders is that he like Trump surrounds himself only with admirers not people who have the courage to tell him when he’s wrong or being too stubborn.

God, the Senate confirmation hearings would be an absolute shitshow, with any Dem who voiced even the least bit of hesitation in supporting Bernie’s nominations without objection getting tossed feet-first into the wood chipper by his purity pony supporters.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:08:31pm

re: #93 Scottish Dragon

The Muppets made fun of Trump decades ago. They had his number from the beginning.

I really thought honestly until I saw people whining that Obama’s announcement on Bin Laden interrupted The Apprentice that everyone thought Donald Trump was an obnoxious jackass. Like the Phelps family, I thought it was one of those things “Yeah, you’re a conservative and I’m a liberal but we at least agree on these three things: The Phelps family are awful people for picketing funerals, Nazis suck, and Donald Trump is the worst embodiment of the worst anti New Yorker stereotypes.” But I guess they hated Obama more so the latter two took over. NYC certainly knew Trump was toxic. The people who knew Trump most rejected him most soundly and the people who knew him least embraced him the most soundly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:12:58pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

God, the Senate confirmation hearings would be an absolute shitshow, with any Dem who voiced even the least bit of hesitation in supporting Bernie’s nominations without objection getting tossed feet-first into the wood chipper by his purity pony supporters.

I really do fear that Bernie has seen what has worked for Trump- almost absolute and unquestioned loyalty by his supporters and is seeing it pay dividends for himself. Bernie was able to get away with attacking Clinton on legislation that he actually voted on. He’s allowed to have nuance but others aren’t. That’s what infuriates me about Bernie Sanders. Everyone else is a sell-out but him.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:14:26pm

Here’s what I think about Bernie, his influence on 2016, and his influence on 2020. I think he does attract white people who think like him, that fixing economic issues will fix race ones. I think that’s wrong. But I don’t think those people are the people who wouldn’t vote for a Dem if Sanders doesn’t get the nomination.

He attracts attention from people who like to make noise about the Democratic party. Some of those people wouldn’t vote for a Dem no matter what. This year, he’s attracting a lot of Republicans who have time to screw with the Democratic party because Trump isn’t really being opposed. But not only are these people not going to show up in the general, they’re not going to show up in the primaries. Here in Texas, you can only vote in the primaries as either a Republican or a Democrat. So, if they want to vote for certain GOP primary candidates, they will have to participate in the Republican primary.

Apathy and the belief that Clinton would win allowed a bunch of people to stay home or protest vote in 2016. Voter suppression helped in the final stretch, but if people had turned out like I think they will this year, it wouldn’t have mattered. I don’t think most Bernie supporters are going to throw a fit after the nominee is announced, because, even though they have a preferred candidate, we all have one, and most of them are going to act like most of us and vote for the Dem in November.

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:15:24pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:16:16pm

re: #97 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

…or know the job

Yeah, it seems like they want a legislator. All I hear about is how great Bernie’s record is compared to the others which isn’t totally true- just ask Hispanic-Americans in Texas about Sierra Blanca or the people who protested Kosovo in his office. Now the latter I think were wrong to do so but he actually had them arrested. The fact is Bernie is a politician like the rest of them who tries to sell himself as this old man who is righteously angry with Washington as usual. He’s been here 30 years. He hasn’t impacted much positive change. He’s had amble opportunity to sponsor bills. And I don’t lke hearing excuses about the composition of Congress either. Teddy Kennedy and Barney Frank got progressive legislation passed. Bernie just seems to care about Bernie and I can’t express how terrible a trait that is for someone who wants to be POTUS.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:16:56pm

re: #102 sagehen

Bloomberg is right. DT is all show with nothing to back it up.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:18:11pm

re: #101 Belafon

Here’s what I think about Bernie, his influence on 2016, and his influence on 2020. I think he does attract white people who think like him, that fixing economic issues will fix race ones. I think that’s wrong. But I don’t think those people are the people who wouldn’t vote for a Dem if Sanders doesn’t get the nomination.

He attracts attention from people who like to make noise about the Democratic party. Some of those people wouldn’t vote for a Dem no matter what. This year, he’s attracting a lot of Republicans who have time to screw with the Democratic party because Trump isn’t really being opposed. But not only are these people not going to show up in the general, they’re not going to show up in the primaries. Here in Texas, you can only vote in the primaries as either a Republican or a Democrat. So, if they want to vote for certain GOP primary candidates, they will have to participate in the Republican primary.

Apathy and the belief that Clinton would win allowed a bunch of people to stay home or protest vote in 2016. Voter suppression helped in the final stretch, but if people had turned out like I think they will this year, it wouldn’t have mattered. I don’t think most Bernie supporters are going to throw a fit after the nominee is announced, because, even though they have a preferred candidate, we all have one, and most of them are going to act like most of us and vote for the Dem in November.

Yeah I am very careful to differeniate between Bernie supporter/voter and Bernie bro. In fact, I worked with a former Republican who got into local Democratic politics because of Bernie in his own words and kudos to Bernie for that because my aquaintence is someone who definitely shares the old adage about all politics being local. What does bother me is he is definitely attracting a ratfuck crowd.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:18:41pm

re: #103 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah, it seems like they want a legislator. All I hear about is how great Bernie’s record is compared to the others which isn’t totally true- just ask Hispanic-Americans in Texas about Sierra Blanca or the people who protested Kosovo in his office. Now the latter I think were wrong to do so but he actually had them arrested. The fact is Bernie is a politician like the rest of them who tries to sell himself as this old man who is righteously angry with Washington as usual. He’s been here 30 years. He hasn’t impacted much positive change. He’s had amble opportunity to sponsor bills. And I don’t lke hearing excuses about the composition of Congress either. Teddy Kennedy and Barney Frank got progressive legislation passed. Bernie just seems to care about Bernie and I can’t express how terrible a trait that is for someone who wants to be POTUS.

i think we’re agreeing.

i was responding mostly to this part ” The thing that frustrates me about Sanders is that he like Trump surrounds himself only with admirers not people who have the courage to tell him when he’s wrong or being too stubborn.”

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:18:52pm

re: #100 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I really do fear that Bernie has seen what has worked for Trump- almost absolute and unquestioned loyalty by his supporters and is seeing it pay dividends for himself. Bernie was able to get away with attacking Clinton on legislation that he actually voted on. He’s allowed to have nuance but others aren’t. That’s what infuriates me about Bernie Sanders. Everyone else is a sell-out but him.

Blind adherence to dogma is not a hallmark of the Dems, they would not suffer a President Sanders well. If he won the presidency, it would be because the majority of the party supported him as the nominee, not because of his ideology or his beliefs. Which would become immediately evident the moment he actually started trying to enact policy and ran into skepticism within the party. Obama tried to pass fairly conservative legislation in the form of the ACA and ran into massive resistance within his own party from Blue Dogs, almost every one of which either lost reelection the following year for supporting “socialism” or scraped by by the skin of their teeth.

This is no real equivalent of the “Freedom Caucus” within the Dem ranks, you would never see the sort of fanaticism and blatant hypocrisy you see in Repubs under a Trump presidency.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:19:40pm

re: #106 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

i think we’re agreeing.

i was responding mostly to this part ” The thing that frustrates me about Sanders is that he like Trump surrounds himself only with admirers not people who have the courage to tell him when he’s wrong or being too stubborn.”

Oh we are. I was just expanding on that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:21:02pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Blind adherence to dogma is not a hallmark of the Dems, they would not suffer a President Sanders well. If he won the presidency, it would be because the majority of the party supported him as the nominee, not because of his ideology or his beliefs. Which would become immediately evident the moment he actually started trying to enact policy and ran into skepticism within the party. Obama tried to pass fairly conservative legislation in the form of the ACA and ran into massive resistance within his own party from Blue Dogs, almost every one of which either lost reelection the following year for supporting “socialism” or scraped by by the skin of their teeth.

This is no real equivalent of the “Freedom Caucus” within the Dem ranks, you would never see the sort of fanaticism and blatant hypocrisy you see in Repubs under a Trump presidency.

Speaking of the Blue Dogs, that’s why I want to tell people to fuck off when they act like the Democratic Party is more to the right than it’s ever been and these are the same people who put FDR up on a pedestal that he doesn’t deserve. Now I like FDR, the New Deal was some of the most important legislation this country has ever had but they ignore that FDR was a lot more nuanced than they give him credit for.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:21:56pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

Ayep. Which is why one of the first questions anybody looking at this lawsuit should ask is “Who the fuck is funding this?” Seems rather odd that a campaign that’s struggling to just tread water has the money to take on the Clintons and their lawyers.

I think she has a backer. And I also think that they want discovery so they can try and embarrasses Hillary with craziness (pizzagate, vince foster, etc). Prove me wrong.

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:22:10pm

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:25:41pm

re: #109 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Speaking of the Blue Dogs, that’s why I want to tell people to fuck off when they act like the Democratic Party is more to the right than it’s ever been and these are the same people who put FDR up on a pedestal that he doesn’t deserve. Now I like FDR, the New Deal was some of the most important legislation this country has ever had but they ignore that FDR was a lot more nuanced than they give him credit for.

FDR had supermajorities in the House and Senate. But he still had to exclude black people from most of his New Deal (social security, FHA, Wagner act, WPA, Fair Labor Standards Act, etc) to be able to pass it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:26:04pm

re: #111 sagehen

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Well if we’re going to have a second cartoon President, I’d vote for Lisa even if her time as a living God didn’t work out too well for in the tooth dish.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:26:24pm

re: #103 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah, it seems like they want a legislator. All I hear about is how great Bernie’s record is compared to the others which isn’t totally true- just ask Hispanic-Americans in Texas about Sierra Blanca or the people who protested Kosovo in his office. Now the latter I think were wrong to do so but he actually had them arrested. The fact is Bernie is a politician like the rest of them who tries to sell himself as this old man who is righteously angry with Washington as usual. He’s been here 30 years. He hasn’t impacted much positive change. He’s had amble opportunity to sponsor bills. And I don’t lke hearing excuses about the composition of Congress either. Teddy Kennedy and Barney Frank got progressive legislation passed. Bernie just seems to care about Bernie and I can’t express how terrible a trait that is for someone who wants to be POTUS.

Bernie is every bit the career politician that he tries to BS people into believing he despises. Everything he does is for his own benefit, whether it’s voting against bills when knows there’s enough votes to pass such, voting for defense appropriations that send money back home, or portraying himself as a “dove” when he’s voted again and again to authorize military force. But his supporters buy into this shit for the same reason MAGAts have convinced themselves that a man with multiple bankruptcies to his name is a “successful billionaire businessman”: He says what they want to hear and hates on the people they hate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:28:07pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:29:32pm

re: #52 Citizen K

You know what I realize pisses me off the most about the folks defending the Rogan endorsement, the promotion of such, and cries of outreach to Rogan’s audience: Where was this advocacy of outreach toward folks with ‘Identity Politics’ concerns? Oh, right, they were dismissed and mocked for being distractions from the real source of all conflict, economics. How dare people have concerns about the disparity in enforcement toward black populations, or the dismissal of non-white concerns far as actual economic concerns go?

Nope, lets cater to an audience that raptly listens to Jordan Peterson’s misogyny or Tim Pool’s constant alt-right fanboyism…you know, that apolitical audience that’s notoriously detached from politics and can be convinced to support the Revolution, rather than the most consistent of Dem support bases….

Years ago, when Tim Pool was covering the riots in Turkey using drones, I thought he was one of the more interesting up-and-coming young journalists for VICE.

Since then, he went to Sweden, thought he saw scary Muslims, and since then has gone batshit while still claiming not to be a right-wing tool.

Infuriating little shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:29:48pm

This talk about Bernie reminds me of Grandma Bacon talking about Culbertson Olson’s term as California Governor.

In 1934, Upton Sinclair was the Democratic nominee for California and he was running on an avowedly Socialist EPIC platform. Sinclair was defeated but the backlash to the Republican incumbent was so intense that Olson was elected in 1938 and right from the start die hard Sinclairites went after him with multiple recalls. Olson was also an avowed atheist which further undercut him.

No doubt in my mind that Berniebots will turn on him when he can’t get anything passed…and McConnell will have a field day investigating Jane’s finances…

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:31:27pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Hmm, watch Trump feeling sorry for himself or listen to JLo…

Is there any option where I don’t want to puncture my eardrums with a knitting needle?

/

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:32:50pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

Hmm, watch Trump feeling sorry for himself or listen to JLo…

Is there any option where I don’t want to puncture my eardrums with a knitting needle?

/

Switch over to Animal Planet for the Puppy Bowl Halftime Show

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William Lewis  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:33:17pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And people wonder why I refuse to own a TV.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:33:54pm

re: #110 I Would Prefer Not To

I think she has a backer. And I also think that they want discovery so they can try and embarrasses Hillary with craziness (pizzagate, vince foster, etc). Prove me wrong.

this will never get to discovery

it’s all about publicity and tulsi’s next job

- clinton didnt mention anyone by name
- tulsi will have to argue that she and only she could have been who clinton was referring to - ie it was a reasonable description of her

thus ends the case

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:34:26pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

re: #120 William Lewis

re: #119 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Is The Metropolitan Opera still on radio? /half

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:35:08pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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half time commercials will see a larger audience (than trump/hannity)

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:35:57pm

re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹

This talk about Bernie reminds me of Grandma Bacon talking about Culbertson Olson’s term as California Governor.

In 1934, Upton Sinclair was the Democratic nominee for California and he was running on an avowedly Socialist EPIC platform. Sinclair was defeated but the backlash to the Republican incumbent was so intense that Olson was elected in 1938 and right from the start die hard Sinclairites went after him with multiple recalls. Olson was also an avowed atheist which further undercut him.

No doubt in my mind that Berniebots will turn on him when he can’t get anything passed…and McConnell will have a field day investigating Jane’s finances…

Nah, Berners would follow the philosophy that Bernism cannot fail, it can only be failed. They wouldn’t turn on him, they’d turn on the Dems and scream at any seen as insufficiently dedicated to the cause. You want to help the Repubs roar back to major majorities in both houses of Congress? Put Bernie on the throne and watch as Dem voters ask aloud what’s the point of keeping/expanding the party’s majority if they’re just gonna get yelled at for his failures.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:36:09pm

I thought the presidential interview was pre game. The halftime show is big (in other words, it has $ponsors).

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:36:52pm

re: #8 goddamnedfrank

From last thread but relevant here:

Isn’t the “take out” comment reminiscent of Henry II and his “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest” statement which led to the assassination of Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury”? Sounds like Trump wanted her gone, no matter how.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:36:53pm
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William Lewis  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:39:56pm

re: #122 PhillyPretzel

Is The Metropolitan Opera still on radio? /half

Saturday afternoon, alas. I don’t like opera (I prefer dance) but that would still be better.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:40:12pm

re: #125 I Would Prefer Not To

I thought the presidential interview was pre game. The halftime show is big (in other words, it has $ponsors).

The interview will be on Fox News, not Fox

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:41:26pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

If Trump paid for a custom bus for himself it would look EXACTLY like that.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:42:57pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Anybody else reminded of the News Bomber’s van?

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:43:54pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

Hmm, watch Trump feeling sorry for himself or listen to JLo…

Is there any option where I don’t want to puncture my eardrums with a knitting needle?

/

HEY!!

Shakira.

Hips don’t lie, Trump does. Easy choice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:44:35pm

re: #122 PhillyPretzel

Is The Metropolitan Opera still on radio? /half

That was on Saturdays.

I know, because Dad was a serious opera fan! Even though we lived in The Middle Of Nowhere, PA, Dad religiously tuned in to the Saturday Met broadcasts - “Brought to you by Texaco! You can trust your car to the man who wears the star!”

One time, Dad wanted to work out in the garden, which was a good 50 yards from the house, and 30 yards from the nearest working electrical socket. He strung a bunch of extension cords together to get the radio near enough so he could hear it, but it wasn’t loud enough. So he took one of the garbage cans, laid it on its side, and put the radio in it, with the open end pointed at the garden!

The radio station that broadcast it, WITF in Hershey, also introduced me to the amazing Anna Russell, whose “Guide to the Ring of the Nibelung” is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard - “And here Siegried meets Guntrune Gebich. She’s the first woman he’s ever come across who ISN’T his aunt……I’m not making this up!”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:44:55pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

Bernie is every bit the career politician that he tries to BS people into believing he despises. Everything he does is for his own benefit, whether it’s voting against bills when knows there’s enough votes to pass such, voting for defense appropriations that send money back home, or portraying himself as a “dove” when he’s voted again and again to authorize military force. But his supporters buy into this shit for the same reason MAGAts have convinced themselves that a man with multiple bankruptcies to his name is a “successful billionaire businessman”: He says what they want to hear and hates on the people they hate.

It reminds me so much of Ron Paul 12 years ago too to be honest. I saw that campaign unfold in early Facebook presidential media because I was a member of a Facebook group following the election. I’ll always remember the Paul fans because they were so devoted to the cult of Ron Paul. No one was more principled than Ron Paul. And Ron Paul predicted all of this. Replace Ron Paul with Bernie and you see a lot of the same stuff. It’s one of the things that sometimes frustrates me about parts of our generation is that some of us want a hero President rather than a president who is a human being.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:44:59pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

Anybody else reminded of the News Bomber’s van?

Yeah. And the Trump Troll in California!

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:45:32pm

re: #126 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t the “take out” comment reminiscent of Henry II and his “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest” statement which led to the assassination of Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury”? Sounds like Trump wanted her gone, no matter how.

My understanding is that the motivation they used to get Trump to blurt this shit out was to tell him that Yovanovitch was badmouthing him to anybody who would listen. And given how much we’ve learned about just how petty the man is and how dedicated he is to nursing grudges for years (or longer), such allegations would not be at all surprising to hear. Because what we needed was further reinforcement of the reality that the man will do anything to sooth his bruised ego, even if it totally undermines US foreign policy and national security.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:45:52pm

re: #122 PhillyPretzel

Is The Metropolitan Opera still on radio? /half

They have a channel on SiriusXM.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:46:19pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:46:23pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

Anybody else reminded of the News Bomber’s van?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:46:37pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I really think there must be a name for the mental condition that causes the people who do things like that to be unable to stop putting more stickers on - “If I add JUST THE RIGHT ONE, Everyone will see I’m right!!!!”

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:46:39pm

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes. I remember hearing it on the old WFLN in Philly. My late dad would have it on if it was an opera he liked.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:47:30pm

re: #134 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It reminds me so much of Ron Paul 12 years ago too to be honest. I saw that campaign unfold in early Facebook presidential media because I was a member of a Facebook group following the election. I’ll always remember the Paul fans because they were so devoted to the cult of Ron Paul. No one was more principled than Ron Paul. And Ron Paul predicted all of this. Replace Ron Paul with Bernie and you see a lot of the same stuff. It’s one of the things that sometimes frustrates me about parts of our generation is that some of us want a hero President rather than a president who is a human being.

Before Bernie, it was Ron Paul. Before Ron Paul, it was Ralph Nader. Before Ralph Nader, it was Ross Perot. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:48:56pm

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

That was on Saturdays.

I know, because Dad was a serious opera fan! Even though we lived in The Middle Of Nowhere, PA, Dad religiously tuned in to the Saturday Met broadcasts - “Brought to you by Texaco! You can trust your car to the man who wears the star!”

One time, Dad wanted to work out in the garden, which was a good 50 yards from the house, and 30 yards from the nearest working electrical socket. He strung a bunch of extension cords together to get the radio near enough so he could hear it, but it wasn’t loud enough. So he took one of the garbage cans, laid it on its side, and put the radio in it, with the open end pointed at the garden!

The radio station that broadcast it, WITF in Hershey, also introduced me to the amazing Anna Russell, whose “Guide to the Ring of the Nibelung” is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard - “And here Siegried meets Guntrune Gebich. She’s the first woman he’s ever come across who ISN’T his aunt……I’m not making this up!”

a fave

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:49:37pm

re: #141 PhillyPretzel

Yes. I remember hearing it on the old WFLN in Philly. My late dad would have it on if it was an opera he liked.

I don’t think there was an opera Dad DIDN’T like! Even in his 90s, my sister would take him to New York at least once a year for a Met performance. in her pics of him outside the Met, he always has an ear-to-ear smile.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:50:26pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:50:35pm

re: #40 Sherlock Hound

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It’s rather logical that President Trump would be against abortion.
One can do it without medical advice as long as there is no brain activity.
Inevitably, he feels threatened himself.

I wonder how many abortions he has arranged to be paid for…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:50:54pm

re: #124 Targetpractice

Nah, Berners would follow the philosophy that Bernism cannot fail, it can only be failed. They wouldn’t turn on him, they’d turn on the Dems and scream at any seen as insufficiently dedicated to the cause. You want to help the Repubs roar back to major majorities in both houses of Congress? Put Bernie on the throne and watch as Dem voters ask aloud what’s the point of keeping/expanding the party’s majority if they’re just gonna get yelled at for his failures.

Well we’ve never seen them get that kind of power so Joe may have a point. I think it would either be continued Bernie can do no wrong or profoundly disillusioned. And because I honestly do know some fairly idealistic people who support Bernie, I worry it would be the latter. He’s promising to do a New Deal type economic revolution with a split Congress and conservative courts. He’s not known to be great at getting legislation passed. Sure, some of this might get done by executive order but if he did that, his presidency would be nothing but judicial arguments to the constitutionality of this and that. I think that’s what upsets me about the health care debate. It’s like there’s no appreciation for how hard it was to get ACA first passed Congress and then upheld in the courts. ACA may have been perhaps more conservative than I would like but it did help change some things for the better and it can be built on.

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ckkatz  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:51:13pm

re: #1 Chrysicat

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:51:29pm

Figure I’ll probably spend half-time doing what I always do: Watching whatever random shit pops up on my Youtube recommendations. At least this year I’m not watching random kitten videos to bring my blood pressure down from watching the refs give the game to New England.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:52:25pm

re: #145 lawhawk

Hannity’s voice will be a bit muffled by his head being so far up Trump’s ass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:53:52pm

re: #54 Scottish Dragon

This whole thing has turned into a Coen Brothers movie….

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burn before reading

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:55:23pm

re: #147 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well we’ve never seen them get that kind of power so Joe may have a point. I think it would either be continued Bernie can do no wrong or profoundly disillusioned. And because I honestly do know some fairly idealistic people who support Bernie, I worry it would be the latter. He’s promising to do a New Deal type economic revolution with a split Congress and conservative courts. He’s not known to be great at getting legislation passed. Sure, some of this might get done by executive order but if he did that, his presidency would be nothing but judicial arguments to the constitutionality of this and that. I think that’s what upsets me about the health care debate. It’s like there’s no appreciation for how hard it was to get ACA first passed Congress and then upheld in the courts. ACA may have been perhaps more conservative than I would like but it did help change some things for the better and it can be built on.

You know how MAGAts go around, insisting any time that Trump fails to get total unity on a bill that the Repubs have always hated him and never wanted him to be president in the first place? Yeah, now swap “Bernie” and “Dems,” the idea will be generally the same. There will be some disillusionment when the bills start actually appearing, but the general line will be that if he in any way strays from the purity he’s tried to project, then it’s because the party is forcing him to do so and not because he’s a politician trying to get shit done.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:55:37pm

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

burn before reading

“What did we learn, Palmer?”

EDIT - HA! Missed that! My mind edited “before” into “after”.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:56:01pm

re: #150 Blind Frog Belly White

Hannity’s voice will be a bit muffled by his head being so far up Trump’s ass.

I had the same general thought, but I was going to say it would be hard to understand him with Trump’s dick in his mouth.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:57:20pm

re: #153 Blind Frog Belly White

“What did we learn, Palmer?”

Burn After Reading - What Did We Learn?

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:57:55pm

re: #54 Scottish Dragon

Oh Brother Didya Burn Before Reading Hudsucker Proxy?

And yeah, I know it’s Burn After Reading…. the joke is Trumpworld is dumber than anything the Coen brothers could come up with. They’d find it too far fetched.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:57:59pm

I can hear the literal gears spinning out of control across the internet

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:58:28pm

re: #54 Scottish Dragon

This whole thing has turned into a Coen Brothers movie….

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I have a feeling Tarantino will be taking over directing soon.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 12:58:37pm

re: #156 lawhawk

Oh Brother Didya Burn Before Reading Hudsucker Proxy?

You know - for kids!

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:00:48pm

re: #158 GlutenFreeJesus

I have a feeling Tarantino will be taking over directing soon.

Thankfully they haven’t asked R.R. Martin to write the script.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:01:10pm

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I wonder how many abortions he has arranged to be paid for…

I saw a funny cartoon earlier where an aide says to Trump: “Sir, the abortion bill is on your desk” and Trump replies: “I thought Michael Cohen paid that.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:01:12pm

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

In my family, whenever something goes awry somehow, one of us will always say, “What did we learn, Palmer?”

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:01:34pm

re: #156 lawhawk

Oh Brother Didya Burn Before Reading Hudsucker Proxy?

And yeah, I know it’s Burn After Reading…. the joke is Trumpworld is dumber than anything the Coen brothers could come up with. They’d find it too far fetched.

I’m thinking that Parnas and Fruman are the 2 dimwitted kidnappers from Fargo at this point.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:01:55pm

re: #158 GlutenFreeJesus

I have a feeling Tarantino will be taking over directing soon.

I can see a bunch of the GOPers in a Mexican standoff…

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:02:33pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

Thankfully they haven’t asked R.R. Martin to write the script.

Trump would wildfire/nuke half the country.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:03:14pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:03:14pm

re: #158 GlutenFreeJesus

I have a feeling Tarantino will be taking over directing soon.

Still holding out for James Cameron.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:03:44pm

re: #167 Scottish Dragon

Still holding out for James Cameron.

He’ll get to it once he’s done with all the Avatar sequels that nobody asked for.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:03:44pm

re: #145 lawhawk

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So the whole world is going to see Hannity’s Nobel Peace Prize award winning act as Squealer and Trump as Napoleon?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:04:10pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

He’ll get to it once he’s done with all the Avatar sequels that nobody asked for.

Needs more gunships and mechs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:04:17pm

re: #163 Scottish Dragon

I’m thinking that Parnas and Fruman are the 2 dimwitted kidnappers from Fargo at this point.

can we stop at the pancakes house?

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:05:13pm

re: #167 Scottish Dragon

We’re a few steps away from a Robert Rodriguez splatterfest coupled with a Guillermo del Toro horror flick.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:05:23pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

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At least when we paid for those trips that Michelle took, it was for things like shopping or vacations. Here, we’re paying for Ivanka to go on marketing tours for her slave-crafted clothing line.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:05:34pm

re: #172 lawhawk

Or a Michael Bay explosion fest.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:05:58pm

re: #172 lawhawk

We’re a few steps away from a Robert Rodriguez splatterfest coupled with a Guillermo del Toro horror flick.

So long as we avoid the J.J. Abrams lens-flare fetish.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:05:59pm

Who is scoring this tragicomedy?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:06:40pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

Thankfully they haven’t asked R.R. Martin to write the script.

Though, in some ways, the repeated hope/disappointment cycle, as things get worse and worse, does mimic GOT -

I like that Ned Stark! He’ll probably become king…

Son of a bitch!!!

Rob Stark’s a great leader of men! He’ll avenge his father and put things to rights…

SHIT!!!

Danaerys will win, and her years learning how to be Queen will make her a wise ruler…

FUCK!!!

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:06:46pm

re: #176 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Who is scoring this tragicomedy?

The same Russian judges from the ‘02 Winter Olympics.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:07:06pm

re: #176 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Danny Elfman.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:07:09pm

re: #163 Scottish Dragon

I’m thinking that Parnas and Fruman are the 2 dimwitted kidnappers from Fargo at this point.

So, is that Lev Parnas in the woodchipper, then?

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:07:52pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

*DING*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:08:32pm

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

can we stop at the pancakes house?

I need unguent.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:08:42pm

re: #174 lawhawk

Or a Michael Bay explosion fest.

I hope for a dramatic ending with suspenseful instrumental music with sentences for individuals put on the screen. And then we feel some faith that we’ll heal from Trumpism.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:09:21pm

re: #174 lawhawk

Or a Michael Bay explosion fest.

You must refer to them by their proper name: “Bayspolsions.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:10:03pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

The same Russian judges from the ‘02 Winter Olympics.

Oh nyet, I got a five. But I actually meant the music.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:11:02pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

So, is that Lev Parnas in the woodchipper, then?

There’s more to the world than a little bit of money, dontcha know that?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:12:10pm

So, was he funny lookin’ apart from being uncircumcised?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:14:22pm

Itre: #187 Blind Frog Belly White

So, was he funny lookin’ apart from being uncircumcised?

Just in a general sort of way, large hands tho.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:15:03pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

The same Russian judges from the ‘02 Winter Olympics.

LOL. There’s a controversy I haven’t seen mentioned in awhile.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:16:10pm

Time to call it a night. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:16:14pm
Fuck this shit, I need a fucking drink.
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ckkatz  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:17:37pm

In other news, and apropos to nothing…

The first wave of migrating robins showed up in my backyard in Fairfax County, Va today. They did look a bit surprised at the local weather as they returned from their tropical sojourn.

They did chase off a flock of neighborhood juncos, though.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:18:16pm

re: #191 Citizen K

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Primary Jeffries? Jesus.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:19:24pm

re: #191 Citizen K

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“We can’t be distracted by identity politics and anybody who wants to talk about that needs to go! Now, let’s talk about how we need to welcome racists and bigots into our big tent!”

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:21:08pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

The wingnut defense of Yovanovitch’s removal has been “SHE SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE PRESIDENT!” But there’s no way in Hell that it is acceptable to remove an ambassador on behalf of a bunch of corrupt Ukrainian thugs working for a corrupt businessman who is trying to trade “dirt” on a political opponent of the president for the DOJ dropping charges.

Since she served at his pleasure, why didn’t he go through regular channels to remove her? Why direct thugs to get rid of her? Deplorables would be screaming bloody murder if President Obama had said similar words to non-government individuals with shady backgrounds. Hell, even I would have criticized Obama and I love him.

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:21:53pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

Thankfully they haven’t asked R.R. Martin to write the script.

JJ Abrams, RR Martin and Joss Whedon walk into a bar…. and everyone you’ve ever loved dies.

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ckkatz  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:21:57pm

re: #191 Citizen K

I guess that I have a different take on the Rogan statement than “Halleluyah, Rogin’s now a Democrat”.

I understand that Rogin didn’t say he wasn’t going to vote for Trump in the General Election. Rogin just said that he was contemplating he was going to vote for Bernie in the Primary.

I view that as an recommendation to ratf*ck Democrats.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:23:25pm

Your primary opponent’s biggest asset is the strong following he has with Af-American voters, so you decide that the best look for your campaign is to not only embrace racists and bigots, but then stand up and actually argue that doing so is a virtue for the campaign if not the nation as a whole.

Biden has gotta be laughing his ass off right now.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:24:37pm

re: #196 sagehen

George Lucas…..

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:24:56pm

re: #196 sagehen

JJ Abrams, RR Martin and Joss Whedon walk into a bar…. and everyone you’ve ever loved dies.

Slight variation:

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:26:11pm
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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:28:45pm

re: #191 Citizen K

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After being told that small differences were akin to murder, now (and only now) are we suddenly told that we must embrace people who disagree with us on a few issues, into our tent. Amazing

applies only if we all support bernie // .5

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:29:07pm
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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:29:56pm

re: #195 Patricia Kayden

Since she served at his pleasure, why didn’t he go through regular channels to remove her? Why direct thugs to get rid of her? Deplorables would be screaming bloody murder if President Obama had said similar words to non-government individuals with shady backgrounds. Hell, even I would have criticized Obama and I love him.

serving at the pleasure of the president doesnt mean he can order a hit on you

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:30:44pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

Your primary opponent’s biggest asset is the strong following he has with Af-American voters, so you decide that the best look for your campaign is to not only embrace racists and bigots, but then stand up and actually argue that doing so is a virtue for the campaign if not the nation as a whole.

Biden has gotta be laughing his ass off right now.

dont interrupt your opponent…

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:30:46pm

re: #191 Citizen K

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:31:32pm

re: #201 Patricia Kayden

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Well when all you hear is Fox spinning for Trump and against his critics, reality fucking bites when you see the Trump reality and know the country will be seeing it too. The video presentations by the Dem impeachment managers have been great and really show that the phone call was anything but perfect.

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ckkatz  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:31:58pm

re: #289 BigPapa

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:32:10pm

re: #201 Patricia Kayden

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/pedant

He *is* impeached
it should read “fear over conviction / removal, etc”

/off pedant

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:32:26pm

re: #201 Patricia Kayden

Maybe if Trumpworld bothered to read books instead of shredding them?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:34:18pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

Though, in some ways, the repeated hope/disappointment cycle, as things get worse and worse, does mimic GOT -

I like that Ned Stark! He’ll probably become king…

Son of a bitch!!!

Rob Stark’s a great leader of men! He’ll avenge his father and put things to rights…

SHIT!!!

Danaerys will win, and her years learning how to be Queen will make her a wise ruler…

FUCK!!!

Hey!! Let’s not blame George for what Daenerys did in the last 3 seasons — we don’t really know since he hasn’t finished the books yet.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:35:31pm

re: #206 Chrysicat

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Lets be absolutely fair.

Any M4A that’s acceptable to Roganites would likely also severely limit the availability of women’s health services, especially where it comes down to maternity-related services, much less anything abortion-related.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:36:42pm

re: #206 Chrysicat

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OFFS, the entire Berner strategy against Hillary was to blast her for associations, whether it was getting on her for giving paid speeches to bankers, her friendship with Henry Kissinger, her “big money donors,” or any of the others on the list that supposedly showed she was a warmonger in the pockets of the rich and powerful. To now say that the people Bernie chooses to associate himself with should not “tested” is total bullshit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:40:15pm

re: #199 lawhawk

George Lucas…..

He wouldn’t kill a bunch of people at a bar, he’d just change the drink menu every 15 minutes.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:42:13pm

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

He wouldn’t kill a bunch of people at a bar, he’d just change the drink menu every 15 minutes.

Before eventually selling the place after a bunch of people got sick from the latest drink choices, only to find that the new owners have kindly but firmly told him where to jam his new drink ideas.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:42:40pm

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

He wouldn’t kill a bunch of people at a bar, he’d just change the drink menu every 15 minutes.

Bad news for me, it’s Friday afternoon and I need a Whiskey ginger with lime.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:43:26pm

and

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:43:35pm

re: #212 Citizen K

Lets be absolutely fair.

Any M4A that’s acceptable to Roganites would likely also severely limit the availability of women’s health services, especially where it comes down to maternity-related services, much less anything abortion-related.

we really do need to stress that health care generally is, well yes an everyone thing, but especially a women’s issue.

Males, if they’re generally healthy and live ordinary lives, can easily go from adolescence to late middle age without ever needing a doctor even once. Females, it ain’t like that. We all of us need a doctor every single year. If you want kids or if you don’t, if you’re sexually active or if you’re not, we all have need of medical services. Every year. Every single one of us. Even nuns.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:43:37pm

So true. I have grey hair all over.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:44:13pm

Walt Disney just kills your mom and gives you a maternal figure that never quite comes close to your own mom. Oh and maybe she’ll hire a huntsman to kill you and get your heart for eternal youth and beauty.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:47:52pm

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

No, much worse than that. He’d rewrite scenes endlessly and play with continuity, who shot first, and give in to CGI instead of practical effects to overcome the reed thin story.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:47:59pm

Meanwhile, over at the Roddenberry bar, the women on the staff think the owner is a sexist pig while the men are all angry that the one server who’s a total douche keeps getting all the attention. And the cooks all quit after finding out they weren’t getting their promised raises, so that the new manager was left hiring off the street anybody who could hold a spatula. Then Gene got offered a chance to run a new bar years later, only for the staff to quickly put him at the door as a greeter once they realized he’s out of his gourd.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:48:11pm

re: #218 sagehen

we really do need to stress that health care generally is, well yes an everyone thing, but especially a women’s issue.

Males, if they’re generally healthy and live ordinary lives, can easily go from adolescence to late middle age without ever needing a doctor even once. Females, it ain’t like that. We all of us need a doctor every single year. If you want kids or if you don’t, if you’re sexually active or if you’re not, we all have need of medical services. Every year. Every single one of us. Even nuns.

“But see, that means you want special treatment, not equal treatment, therefore your concerns must necessarily be dismissed!” ///////

Funny how often the same argument overlaps over different kinds of xenophobias and -isms.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:48:25pm

re: #212 Citizen K

And it certainly wouldn’t extend to transgender people. Rogan is very transphobic.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:49:21pm

I prolly should be taking the other girl’s advice in the combo and blocking, but I think this woman might have followers I CAN convince:

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:49:28pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Unfu…

Nope. Totally fucking believable.

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nicdanger  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:49:52pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ?

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:49:59pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

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This comes the day after the premiere of Star Trek Picard, which a lot of reviewers are pointing out is a not-so-veiled criticism of the US under Trumpism.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:50:41pm

re: #217 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

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Really. The Dems even if all 47 Dems voted against Trump proving it was a “sham” as Trump calls it, why not let the witnesses testify. They have everything to lose. That story again had off the record Senate sources saying they would vote anonymously to convict him if they could. Not the first time I’ve heard that. Flake said it too and that was before this. Mitch knows Trump should be removed. And hell I think pretty much most of the Senate Republicans know sans a few true believing nuts like Hyde-Smith, Cotton, Perdue, Blackburn, and maybe a few others. But the majority? Cynical bastards who know the Republican base will never forgive them if they vote to remove Trump. And I think that’s Pence’s end game too. He wants to be seen as the man who was selflessly loyal to Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:52:35pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Presidential copyright infringement and got the year wrong too.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:52:45pm

re: #225 Patricia Kayden

And it certainly wouldn’t extend to transgender people. Rogan is very transphobic.

Oh yeah, that was already stated in what I was replying to. My point was basically that the transphobia almost never is the upper limit. Scratch a transphobe, and you’ll usually find a homophobe, misogynist, and/or believer in toxic gender norms.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:53:34pm

re: #226 Chrysicat

Did Warren oppose trans operations?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:53:51pm

Where does Spielberg come into this?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:55:35pm

re: #232 Citizen K

Oh yeah, that was already stated in what I was replying to. My point was basically that the transphobia almost never is the upper limit. Scratch a transphobe, and you’ll usually find a homophobe, misogynist, and/or believer in toxic gender norms.

And then you get the casual racism that claims to be just joking. Yeah dude you’re not fucking funny to joke about putting Jewish people in an oven or make black people your slaves. You’re just a bigoted jackass.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:56:11pm

re: #233 Belafon

Did Warren oppose trans operations?

It’s quite possible she would have them be the one thing people are required to pay for out of pocket, because actually covering it under even actual insurance let alone single-payer is a third rail for anyone who’s not a full-on social leftist. It’s kinda why I still have outdoor plumbing.

But that said, even it it’s true, it’s no worse than status quo. An M4A run by Roganites would likely forbid any medical procedure not covered by single-payer.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:56:23pm

re: #234 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Where does Spielberg come into this?

A Spielberg bar is a place that gets a lot of praise for its friendly atmosphere, its great interior design, and some inspired ideas on the drinks menu. But the owner has made some bad choices in the past, particularly listening to his best bud George when he shouldn’t have, that’s led to some stinkers floating by from time to time.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:56:39pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:57:13pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:58:20pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

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Just waiting for Paramount’s lawsuit…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:59:13pm

re: #239 The Pie Overlord!

Wow, they just totally cribbed the Starfleet logo.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 1:59:54pm

re: #237 Targetpractice

A Spielberg bar is a place that gets a lot of praise for its friendly atmosphere, its great interior design, and some inspired ideas on the drinks menu. But the owner has made some bad choices in the past, particularly listening to his best bud George when he shouldn’t have, that’s led to some stinkers floating by from time to time.

Ahhh so I probably was right to toss the Hook backpack I had in Kindergarten then. I’ve always liked the Scorsese bar. Someone just made a dramatic entrance to a Rolling Stones song and there’s people talking, smoking, and drinking. And we’re in New York in the early 70’s. Someone’s about to get their ass kicked though by Robrvey Kei Niro.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:00:09pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:01:02pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

re: #239 The Pie Overlord!

re: #240 Joe Bacon 🌹

I want DT and Company to be sued into oblivion. Is there anyway we can give Paramount a boost?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:01:18pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:01:33pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

Sometimes you ask yourself. How weird is it going to get? Well today, January 24, 2020, Trump fucking stole from Star Trek for our new defense force. I see you over there Mel Brooks.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:03:20pm

Okay predictions. Trump’s people are going to say that people mocking this are “triggered because Trump cares about space defense”,

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:03:55pm

re: #242 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ahhh so I probably was right to toss the Hook backpack I had in Kindergarten then. I’ve always liked the Scorsese bar. Someone just made a dramatic entrance to a Rolling Stones song and there’s people talking, smoking, and drinking. And we’re in New York in the early 70’s. Someone’s about to get their ass kicked though by Robrvey Kei Niro.

Well, I’d talk about the Boll bar, but that got shut down by the Health Department.

//

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:04:30pm

re: #244 PhillyPretzel

I want DT and Company to be sued into oblivion. Is there anyway we can give Paramount a boost?

Oh? They’re going to see this. Social media is going to have a field day with it. I think that’s another thing that hurts Trump this time too. People are seeing what a joke he is in real time. I don’t think he’s ever had a consistent approval rating above 50%.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:05:31pm

re: #247 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Okay predictions. Trump’s people are going to say that people mocking this are “triggered because Trump cares about space defense”,

“We’re going to build a giant wall on the moon and Mars is gonna pay for it!”

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:06:02pm

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:06:25pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

Well, I’d talk about the Boll bar, but that got shut down by the Health Department.

//

Pity that, I might step over to the Brooks bar where the hilarious absurdity of this reality is obvious because Trump claimed an American invented the wheel.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:07:17pm

Interesting note: In the official Star Trek timeline, World War III starts in 2026 and lasts until 2052, then mankind just basically lives in shambles for a decade until we make first contact with the Vulcans in 2063.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:07:31pm

re: #250 Eclectic Cyborg

“We’re going to build a giant wall on the moon and Mars is gonna pay for it!”

It was a perfect phone call to Emperor Kang, I promise. No one loves Rigel 7 more than me. His sister Kodos by the way is beautiful, no one on Earth is more beautiful than Kodos.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:09:01pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Various iterations of the Galactic Empire’s Spaceship and Sun emblem from Asimov’s Foundation series. I like the first, rather small, one for its sinister V-2ish look and the last one has a keen retro look, while the middle one is just bland and would fit well with Trumpite reality.



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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:11:27pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Don’t Charles, just don’t get wrapped up in this nonsense
Been using that logo for decades

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:13:46pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Don’t Charles, just don’t get wrapped up in this nonsense
Been using that logo for decades

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Which begs the question of why not just stick with the old logo, even if it has to be updated to some variation of “US Space Force”? Other than the obvious answer, which is Donny wanted something flashy to stamp onto merchandise.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:14:40pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

Of course. How else can he turn a buck?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:15:21pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

Which begs the question of why not just stick with the old logo, even if it has to be updated to some variation of “US Space Force”? Other than the obvious answer, which is Donny wanted something flashy to stamp onto merchandise.

Someone should tell him he would make millions if he just let himself get removed and he could write a best selling book about the impeachment called The Perfect Phone Call and he could get Ben Garrison to illustrate it for him. It would make jillions. //

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:15:33pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

Which begs the question of why not just stick with the old logo, even if it has to be updated to some variation of “US Space Force”? Other than the obvious answer, which is Donny wanted something flashy to stamp onto merchandise.

Because it is the branch seal, using the Air Force Space Command patch would not suffice.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:16:05pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

Which begs the question of why not just stick with the old logo, even if it has to be updated to some variation of “US Space Force”? Other than the obvious answer, which is Donny wanted something flashy to stamp onto merchandise.

that’s how paramount will get him

it would one thing if it was ‘just’ a military logo
but when he starts to profit personally….

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:17:15pm

Never tried “osyters,” but I won’t eat oysters either. Also Brussels sprouts, raw fish, and asparagus. Yes, I cast aspersions on asparagus, as any right-thinking Texas Democrat would.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:19:59pm

Can everyone just be happy that The Institute of Heraldry did not simply use the Trump campaign space force merch as a starting point?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:21:42pm

re: #261 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

that’s how paramount will get him

it would one thing if it was ‘just’ a military logo
but when he starts to profit personally….

I mean he’s been promoting it like a brand. It’s crazy. Remember the Kim Jong-Un- Trump summit collectibles? Oh and you know he’s not giving any of his athletic gifts back as he’s required to under law. Maybe Robert Kraft learned after giving Putin his Super Bowl ring to try on not to let Trump try it too.

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A Cranky One  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:22:24pm

re: #260 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Because it is the branch seal, using the Air Force Space Command patch would not suffice.

The logo is based on the design of their spaceships. The logo:

And here is an actual photo of one of their ships in action, keeping us safe from illegal alien aliens:

So there.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:22:40pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Never tried “osyters,” but I won’t eat oysters either. Also Brussels sprouts, raw fish, and asparagus. Yes, I cast aspersions on asparagus, as any right-thinking Texas Democrat would.

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had to look up kombucha

eat everything else, most of it regularly
even osyters
though if given a choice i am partial to bleu, not blue cheese

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:22:53pm

re: #263 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Can everyone just be happy that The Institute of Heraldry did not simply use the Trump campaign space force merch as a starting point?

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I’m going to join The Sea Force and go to Challenger Deep, ma!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:23:28pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Never tried “osyters,” but I won’t eat oysters either. Also Brussels sprouts, raw fish, and asparagus. Yes, I cast aspersions on asparagus, as any right-thinking Texas Democrat would.

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0.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:23:57pm

re: #264 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean he’s been promoting it like a brand. It’s crazy. Remember the Kim Jong-Un- Trump summit collectibles? Oh and you know he’s not giving any of his athletic gifts back as he’s required to under law. Maybe Robert Kraft learned after giving Putin his Super Bowl ring to try on not to let Trump try it too.

this might be different

copyright and direct third party damages

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:24:42pm

re: #269 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

this might be different

copyright and direct third party damages

Oh I know. It’s just how everything needs to be sale for him.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:26:18pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Never tried “osyters,” but I won’t eat oysters either. Also Brussels sprouts, raw fish, and asparagus. Yes, I cast aspersions on asparagus, as any right-thinking Texas Democrat would.

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Think it says more about how stunted my palate is that I haven’t tried half the items on that list.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:30:19pm

Also people, Star Trek stole it from NASA. Approved in 1959

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:36:28pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Never tried “osyters,” but I won’t eat oysters either. Also Brussels sprouts, raw fish, and asparagus. Yes, I cast aspersions on asparagus, as any right-thinking Texas Democrat would.

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Oysters Rockefeller…dee…lish….

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:56:25pm

re: #253 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting note: In the official Star Trek timeline, World War III starts in 2026 and lasts until 2052, then mankind just basically lives in shambles for a decade until we make first contact with the Vulcans in 2063.

But they didn’t call it World War III… it was the Eugenics Wars. Which is sadly apropos.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:06:17pm
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uriel  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:18:50pm

re: #195 Patricia Kayden

Since she served at his pleasure, why didn’t he go through regular channels to remove her? Why direct thugs to get rid of her? Deplorables would be screaming bloody murder if President Obama had said similar words to non-government individuals with shady backgrounds. Hell, even I would have criticized Obama and I love him.

Cripes, I can still remember when wingnuts lost their god damned minds over Clinton firing a few low level people in the travel office.


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