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1
Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:24:07pm

Which means I’ve gotta stock up on popcorn before tomorrow, when the real shitshow begins.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:25:09pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

Which means I’ve gotta stock up on popcorn before tomorrow, when the real shitshow begins.

Stay away from the bourbon.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:26:36pm

re: #2 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Stay away from the bourbon.

I make no promises.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:28:09pm

Nadler just showed how uniquely bad this is.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:31:25pm

Nadler asking them to consider the history that will be written. And he’s right.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:34:17pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:35:23pm

So for the second time in days, the corporate media shows they can actually hold a Repub’s feet to the fire, which raises the question of why they keep refusing to do so:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:35:24pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

I bet Trump couldn’t point to Ukraine on a map because it says Russia on his.

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:35:25pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

WHOA

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ckkatz  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:37:19pm

Going back to the Pandemic Discussions of a couple of threads ago…

Back in the late 1970’s I read William O’Neill’s “Plagues and Peoples” which is about how infectious diseases affect history.

Since then I have read a bunch of fascinating accounts of how diseases have affected human history and how humans are responding.

For example, The Justinian Plague of 541CE is viewed as probably the first reported occurrence of the Bubonic plague. It is thought to have killed off between one-tenth and one-quarter of world’s human population.

The ramifications it had for the Europe are fascinating.

“The plague’s long-term effects on European and Christian history were enormous. As the disease spread to port cities around the Mediterranean, the struggling Goths were reinvigorated and their conflict with Constantinople entered a new phase. The plague weakened the Byzantine Empire at a critical point, when Justinian’s armies had nearly retaken all of Italy and the western Mediterranean coast; the evolving conquest would have reunited the core of the Western Roman Empire with the Eastern Roman Empire. Although the conquest occurred in 554, the reunification did not last long. In 568, the Lombards invaded Northern Italy, defeated the small Byzantine army that had been left behind, and established the Kingdom of the Lombards. The plague may have also contributed to the success of the Arabs a few generations later in the Byzantine-Arab Wars.

The impact of the Plague of Justinian on the history of Britain was significant. Some scholars have suggested that the plague facilitated the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain, as its aftermath coincided with the renewed Saxon offensives in the 550s. Maelgwn, king of Gwynedd in Wales, was said to have died of the “Yellow Plague of Rhos” around 547 and, from 548 to 549, plague devastated Ireland as well. Saxon sources from this period are silent, as there are no 6th-century English documents. “

Plague of Justinian
en.wikipedia.org

TL;DR-

The plague may have prevented the Byzantine Empire from reuniting the Western and Eastern Roman Empires, from fighting off a series of invasions and possibly from fighting off the Arab Invasions. And it may have been the reason why the native Britons couldn’t fight off the Angle and Saxon invasions.

I’ll probably drop a few more stories as I get time…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:38:49pm

Guys. It’s going to be hard to spin this as doing for partisan reasons. I’d be shocked if 20 Republicans or any Republicans vote for impeachment but the ads are going to be brutal asking “Why didn’t you vote to remove him?” This honestly is some excellent work by Schiff and the managers. Only FNC can spin this which is why they’re trying to already set up the Democratic nominee as having “stolen” it from Bernie.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:39:33pm

re: #2 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Stay away from the bourbon.

do not

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:40:40pm

re: #9 retired cynic

WHOA

That was my reaction. They’re shifting seamlessly into unmitigated, overt abuse.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:43:26pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

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Q: Can you point me toward your remarks where you have defended Marie Yovanovitch?

Pompeo: I’ve said all I’m going to say today. Thank you. Thanks for the repeated opportunity to do so. I appreciate that.

ie - “no i cant”

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:44:13pm

re: #11 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Guys. It’s going to be hard to spin this as doing for partisan reasons. I’d be shocked if 20 Republicans or any Republicans vote for impeachment but the ads are going to be brutal asking “Why didn’t you vote to remove him?” This honestly is some excellent work by Schiff and the managers. Only FNC can spin this which is why they’re trying to already set up the Democratic nominee as having “stolen” it from Bernie.

“even Nixon. Even Nixon complied….”

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:45:26pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

That was my reaction. They’re shifting seamlessly into nothing but overt abuse.

The whole house of cards is collapsing around them. When you hire people based upon sycophancy rather than competency, you’ll quickly find that they have no ability to control themselves when under pressure.

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BeachDem  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:45:53pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:46:01pm

re: #15 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

“even Nixon. Even Nixon complied….”

Yeah Nadler choked up there. He’s been correctly making the case that Trump completely obstructed the investigation from the start and that makes him unique even compared to Nixon.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:46:20pm

Remind me why it’s incumbent that Dems have to reach out to the Fox ‘base’ when Trump and Republicans get to mercilessly insult, degrade, and threaten Dem voters with zero consequence? That might be a better question to answer, Yang.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:47:25pm

re: #19 Citizen K

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Remind me why it’s incumbent that Dems have to reach out to the Fox ‘base’ when Trump and Republicans get to mercilessly insult, degrade, and threaten Dem voters with zero consequence? That might be a better question to answer, Yang.

Hey Andrew, didn’t your parents ever tell you about the consequences of rewarding bad behavior?

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:47:26pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:48:23pm

re: #19 Citizen K

Remind me why it’s incumbent that Dems have to reach out to the Fox ‘base’ when Trump and Republicans get to mercilessly insult, degrade, and threaten Dem voters with zero consequence? That might be a better question to answer, Yang.

40-50% of the population doesn’t watch Fox, Andrew. Oh and because Fox hosts are the same people who said our last Democratic president was a terrorist for doing a friendly fistbump with his wife. This is exactly why I’m tired of these idiots like Yang who have no elected experience thinking they know what a President should do.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:48:55pm

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

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Given what we know about the man, it wouldn’t surprise me that Esper and the Joint Chiefs lied to him about the seriousness of the injuries in order to avoid further bruising an ego already turning black and blue after Iran showed they don’t give a flying fuck about his threats.

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ckkatz  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:49:59pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

Wow!

“Proof by Intimidation”, threats and implied violence. Sounds like that’s all they have left.

Maybe Resistance isn’t futile after all.

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BeachDem  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:50:33pm

Wow, Maher’s really swinging for the fences. Tonight he’ll have not only Megyn Kelly but also Erick son of Erick. CLICK.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:51:15pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

Given what we know about the man, it wouldn’t surprise me that Esper and the Joint Chiefs lied to him about the seriousness of the injuries in order to avoid further bruising an ego already turning black and blue after Iran showed they don’t give a flying fuck about his threats.

Biden’s Twitter just tweeted about it. And that’s something I can see Biden confronting Trump on in an ad or even a debate.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:53:48pm

re: #17 BeachDem

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I’m glad she shared that story. My question is whether she responded in kind. I very much understand the need for professionalism, but I’ll be damned if I’d let someone lecture and berate me, and then be respectful in turn.

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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:54:09pm

re: #19 Citizen K

Yang shows what an amateur and shallow thinker he is. About as sensible as Bernie and Rogan.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:54:22pm

re: #11 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Guys. It’s going to be hard to spin this as doing for partisan reasons. I’d be shocked if 20 Republicans or any Republicans vote for impeachment but the ads are going to be brutal asking “Why didn’t you vote to remove him?” This honestly is some excellent work by Schiff and the managers. Only FNC can spin this which is why they’re trying to already set up the Democratic nominee as having “stolen” it from Bernie.

watching lofgren tear this to pieces

alas, it wont matter because the R senate is not persuadable.
they’re not voting on what’s being said, or the law or the evidence.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:56:26pm

She just used Graham’s own words!

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:57:10pm

re: #17 BeachDem

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Now think about this guy being your boss and having to approach him with a report that is totally the opposite of what he expects. The idea that he is in any way favored among his peers and has the best interests of his underlings is a fucking joke.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 2:57:13pm

re: #30 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

She just used Graham’s own words!

this senate is destined to be remembered in infamy

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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:00:02pm

The House Democrats are a slow moving avalanche of facts and evidence.

If Trump doesn’t get removed from office, none of the evidence goes away. The amount of material available for campaign adds is going to be worth more than all the Dark Money in the world. This is the game.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:00:28pm

“…and you’re letting him do it”

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:00:35pm

This is the guy that folks keep thinking will show a spine and stand up to Trump:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:01:15pm

re: #33 BigPapa

The House Democrats are a slow moving avalanche of facts and evidence.

If Trump doesn’t get removed from office, none of the evidence goes away. The amount of material available for campaign adds is going to be worth more than all the Dark Money in the world. This is the game.

That’s what I’ve been thinking too. Oh and it’s a great historical lesson for all the Tea Party conservatives who accused Obama of being too power hungry who embraced Trump.

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:01:42pm

re: #29 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

watching lofgren tear this to pieces

alas, it wont matter because the R senate is not persuadable.
they’re not voting on what’s being said, or the law or the evidence.

I’m in love with her, too!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:02:22pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

This is the guy that folks keep thinking will show a spine and stand up to Trump:

Mitt really is Trump without caffeine. No one’s going to say that we should have elected Mitt in 2012 after this. They’re going to wish that Utah told him to stay the fuck away.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:03:12pm

re: #37 retired cynic

I’m in love with her, too!

They’ve all been great. Get used to a lot of these men and women. They’re the future of the Dem House leadership for this decade and beyond.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:03:51pm

re: #17 BeachDem

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:04:25pm

Really making the case I’ve felt for years. Yes, Nixon, Reagan, Bush II, and all were awful but Trump stands alone.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:07:31pm

re: #28 BigPapa

Yang shows what an amateur and shallow thinker he is. About as sensible as Bernie and Rogan.

The Yang Gang is still removing Bernie and now Warren signs in my neighborhood and replacing them with his.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:08:38pm

re: #29 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

watching lofgren tear this to pieces

alas, it wont matter because the R senate is not persuadable.
they’re not voting on what’s being said, or the law or the evidence.

Really underrated guitarist. Oh, wait….

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:08:49pm

re: #40 Chrysicat

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There’s no functional difference between refusing to sell arms for fear that the other side might escalate the conflict and selling that weaponry with explicit instructions that it never be used. The only real difference is that the latter puts money in the pockets of weapon manufacturers, who then pass some of it on as “campaign donations.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:09:14pm

re: #43 Barefoot Grin

Really underrated guitarist. Oh, wait….

She’s rocking though. I’m proud of all the managers.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:09:16pm

re: #42 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Yang Gang is still removing Bernie and now Warren signs in my neighborhood and replacing them with his.

I can’t wait until both Bernie and Yang are out of the race.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:10:18pm

Jeffries up now to close before dinner.

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Jay C  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:11:11pm

re: #29 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

watching lofgren tear this to pieces

alas, it wont matter because the R senate is not persuadable.
they’re not voting on what’s being said, or the law or the evidence.

Yep: let me edit/repost a comment I made at another blog:

But as eloquent as the House Managers may be, it wouldn’t make a difference if the House had Daniel Webster as lead: the “trial” IS rigged, and the “verdict” is a foregone conclusion. And public opinion is an irrelevancy. The Senate Republicans, during this impeachment trial, remind me of nothing so much as one of those smirking all-white juries in the Jim Crow South hearing a case with a black plaintiff and white defendant (or vice versa): they don’t really care about the facts, their decision will be based primarily on their prejudices, and their main concerns are first, getting home in time for dinner; and secondly, annoyance at having to “hear” a case they never wanted to deal with in the first place (“Justice” of course, having little or nothing to do with any of their considerations).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:11:32pm

Just showed Trump saying he can do whatever he wants and no one knows the system better than him.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:11:42pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:12:24pm

re: #48 Jay C

Yep: let me edit/repost a comment I made at another blog:

But as eloquent as the House Managers may be, it wouldn’t make a difference if the House had Daniel Webster as lead: the “trial” IS rigged, and the “verdict” is a foregone conclusion. And public opinion is an irrelevancy. The Senate Republicans, during this impeachment trial, remind me of nothing so much as one of those smirking all-white juries in the Jim Crow South hearing a case with a black plaintiff and white defendant (or vice versa): they don’t really care about the facts, their decision will be based primarily on their prejudices, and their main concerns are first, getting home in time for dinner; and secondly, annoyance at having to “hear” a case they never wanted to deal with in the first place (“Justice” of course, having little or nothing to do with any of their considerations).

We’re the jury too. They’re making the case for November.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:13:29pm

re: #40 Chrysicat

Finbar McAllister
@FinbarMcAllist1
Replying to @Squack_Packer @ddale8
The reporter is pretending that it was outrageous that Trump delayed the aid payment for 55 days. Fact is Trump gave infinitely more aid to Ukraine than previous administration, which gave only meal kits and blankets. Trump gave hundreds of millions and sold them missiles.

he says he held the aid because of ‘corruption related to biden and burisma’

what changed in those 55 days?

did he satisfy himself there was no corruption and so released the funds?
or
did he not satisfy himself and release the funds anyway? IF SO, WHY? What Changed?
(besides getting caught)

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:13:43pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:14:03pm

Now demolishing the due process claim and the claim he’s uniquely prosecuted. In fact, Trump had greater procedural protection than Nixon or Clinton. Points out that other Presidents have complained about Congress before but no one like Trump.

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BeachDem  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:14:34pm

re: #48 Jay C

Yep: let me edit/repost a comment I made at another blog:

But as eloquent as the House Managers may be, it wouldn’t make a difference if the House had Daniel Webster as lead: the “trial” IS rigged, and the “verdict” is a foregone conclusion. And public opinion is an irrelevancy. The Senate Republicans, during this impeachment trial, remind me of nothing so much as one of those smirking all-white juries in the Jim Crow South hearing a case with a black plaintiff and white defendant (or vice versa): they don’t really care about the facts, their decision will be based primarily on their prejudices, and their main concerns are first, getting home in time for dinner; and secondly, annoyance at having to “hear” a case they never wanted to deal with in the first place (“Justice” of course, having little or nothing to do with any of their considerations).

The pot-bellied copper shook hands all around
And joked with the rednecks who came into town
And they swore that the murderer soon would be found
And they laughed as they spat their tobacco

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:14:59pm

re: #53 jaunte

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That’s a losing case.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:15:23pm

re: #51 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We’re the jury too. They’re making the case for November.

Which matters in states Russia can’t hack the vote that also happen to have an R senator standing for election this year. If either part of that isn’t the case, then that “jury” will have too long to deliberate and will forget that they’re supposed to return a guilty verdict on both the king and his retainers.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:15:27pm

jeffries doing good too

i do wish they’d say instead of
“no president except trump has defied…”

and say

“ALL presidents except trump, agreed to the rules, history, precedent, conventions, etc and cooperated..”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:16:28pm

re: #57 Chrysicat

Which matters in states Russia can’t hack the vote that also happen to have an R senator standing for election this year. If either part of that isn’t the case, then that “jury” will have too long to deliberate and will forget that they’re supposed to return a guilty verdict on both the king and his retainers.

Well I expect non stop ads so this will stay fresh.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:18:01pm

re: #59 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well I expect non stop ads so this will stay fresh.

In 2022 and ‘24? Unless we have the Senate, they’ll have enough federal judges to get the damn things quashed somehow.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:18:14pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:18:30pm

re: #53 jaunte

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“Whataboutism” is not a winning legal strategy, either in a criminal court or the court of public opinion.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:18:38pm

I’ve seen some folks online referring to the coronavirus as “kung flu.” A bit callous, but leads to observations like “stay rested, get plenty of vitamin C, and you’ll be kung flu fighting.”

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:19:15pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

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There’s a difference between book smarts and intelligence. Being competent in a field does not make one an expert in all fields.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:19:21pm

re: #60 Chrysicat

In 2022 and ‘24? Unless we have the Senate, they’ll have enough federal judges to get the damn things quashed somehow.

I’m optimistic about retaking the Senate this fall.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:21:40pm

cnbc: Trump just revealed the logo for the Space Force, and it looks like the ‘Star Trek’ symbol

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:21:47pm

re: #65 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m optimistic about retaking the Senate this fall.

I’m very much not. I understand that any sane electorate would vote out any of them.

I also understand that they are acting like people who will never have to face another general election and whose only fear of being primaried is by an even more Hitlerist Republican.

It could be suicidal overconfidence or they could know they have an almost unbeatable ace in the hole.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:22:09pm

re: #66 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

The content got eaten, dm.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:22:40pm

re: #17 BeachDem

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Fuck these fascist fucks.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:24:51pm
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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:24:55pm

re: #68 Chrysicat

The content got eaten, dm.

i fixted it

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:25:27pm

re: #67 Chrysicat

I’m very much not. I understand that any sane electorate would vote out any of them.

I also understand that they are acting like people who will never have to face another general election and whose only fear of being primaried is by an even more Hitlerist Republican.

It could be suicidal overconfidence or they could know they have an almost unbeatable ace in the hole.

Well let’s see what happens. I’m trying not to despair.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:25:43pm
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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:25:56pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:26:39pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:27:05pm

re: #73 jaunte

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Showing again why Trumpism is far more destructive than Neo-Conservatism.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:27:09pm

eveything jeffries is recounting is trump saying

“you didnt do this in the proper sequence so it doesnt count”

(as if there is one)
sole power of impeachment is sole power

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BigPapa  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:27:28pm

The Javelin missiles go all the way back to Pauly Walnuts. Here is a Google Doc excerpt I wrote up on it. If anybody touts Trump releasing aid and doing more than Obama, hammer them incessantly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:28:24pm

re: #75 gocart mozart

I’m going to enjoy Kelly beating her and her still beating hated by the Trump cult.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:28:54pm

The “source,” whose husband* is both a Fed Soc. member and an virulent anti-Trumper, claimed Trump was joking about Yovanovich.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:30:58pm
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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:31:12pm

re: #80 Barefoot Grin

The “source,” whose husband* is both a Fed Soc. member and an virulent anti-Trumper, claimed Trump was joking about Yovanovich.

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LOL, Fox reporting a “source” who says it’s “clear” Trump wasn’t serious when talking about taking out Yovanovitch

“I spoke to a source earlier today who was familiar with the recording … he tells me … it is clear that the president was not really being serious about it.”

who?
anonymous wont work here

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:31:19pm

re: #80 Barefoot Grin

The “source,” whose husband* is both a Fed Soc. member and an virulent anti-Trumper, claimed Trump was joking about Yovanovich.

You know, I wish we could get it straight. Is Trump a “straight shooter” who tells it as it is or is he a constant jokester.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:31:50pm

re: #53 jaunte

It’s amazing how the press continues to dance around and avoid this point: everything that Trump and the GOP are accusing Biden of to distract from things, Trump and his family are literally doing non-stop and have been since the beginning of his term.

Almost everything is projection with him. And pet the press keeps treating his accusations with the utmost of credulity while any accusations against him are treated with kid gloves and constant equivocations.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:35:04pm

re: #83 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You know, I wish we could get it straight. Is Trump a “straight shooter” who tells it as it is or is he a constant jokester.

Yes.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:35:56pm

re: #81 jaunte

He probably does that to make himself feel bigger or that he knows more than anyone else.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:36:29pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

“Whataboutism” is not a winning legal strategy, either in a criminal court or the court of public opinion.

The former is definitely true.

The latter I wish I could be more sure about.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:36:33pm

re: #86 PhillyPretzel

Probably part of the staffer interview process.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:38:06pm

re: #86 PhillyPretzel

He probably does that to make himself feel bigger or that he knows more than anyone else.

Alternatively it could be that “You don’t know what you’re talking about, so why should I take you seriously?!” BS that wingnuts thing is the way to instantly “win” an argument.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:38:24pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

Yes.

They really insult their viewers intelligence every night and then get that validated.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:40:00pm

Started watching Colbert’s interview of Chris Cuomo but had to stop because I was about to hurl.

There’s something deeply wrong with this guy’s brain and he’s getting paid millions for it.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:40:25pm

re: #88 jaunte

Possibly. I remember a few years ago I had a history instructor who insisted that on the mid-term we would have to pick out on a blank map a country or city of his choosing. He chose Samarkand and almost all of us got it correct.

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Jay C  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:42:36pm

re: #65 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m optimistic about retaking the Senate this fall.

Moi aussi: albeit somewhat cautiously: just as an armchair-analyist’s SWAG, I think the worst-case scenario for the next Senate is likely to be a 50-50 tie.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:43:09pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

Pompeo belonged to the Tea Party and persecuted Hillary over Benghazi — so expecting honesty from him is a hopeless cause. His treatment of Yavonovitch is beyond appalling. Just confirms there is no relationship between ethics and academic performance.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:43:38pm

re: #93 Jay C

Moi aussi: albeit somewhat cautiously: just as an armchair-analyist’s SWAG, I think the worst-case scenario for the Senate is likely to be a 50-50 tie.

I’m watching this. I’m just struggling to see how Trump will successfully spin this.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:44:10pm

re: #94 Hecuba’s daughter

Pompeo belonged to the Tea Party and persecuted Hillary over Benghazi — so expecting honesty from him is a hopeless cause. His treatment of Yavonovitch is beyond appalling. Just confirms there is no relationship between ethics and academic performance.

there is/was at West Point. Power does tend to corrupt.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:44:15pm

At this point I am hoping that there might be just ONE Republican brave enough to vote against Trump.

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:44:27pm

re: #94 Hecuba’s daughter

Pompeo belonged to the Tea Party and persecuted Hillary over Benghazi — so expecting honesty from him is a hopeless cause. His treatment of Yavonovitch is beyond appalling. Just confirms there is no relationship between ethics and academic performance.

His treatment of Marylouise Kelly was beyond appalling!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:45:11pm

I’m confident Pompeo is a raging misogynist too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:45:46pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m confident Pompeo is a raging misogynist too.

I’d be shocked if he wasn’t one.

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:46:31pm

Good man, Jeffries!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:46:35pm

I can’t believe people want to primary Jeffries. He could be the first African-American Speaker one day.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:46:42pm
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Jay C  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:46:44pm

re: #81 jaunte

Small oddity in all this - his [Pompeo’s] aides have an unmarked world map readily available?? What? Does he quiz people’s geography skills on a regular basis?

More likely he keeps them around so he can draw in countries (with a Sharpie, of course) when Trump wants to know where they are. I.e. draw them in where Trump thinks they are…..

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:47:36pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

She obviously should have responded, “People will hear about THIS.”

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BeachDem  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:48:11pm

re: #98 retired cynic

His treatment of Marylouise Kelly was beyond appalling!

Welp—Maggie Haberman, for some reason, thinks Pompeo “is seen as a leading presidential candidate for 2024.” (she doesn’t mention who, exactly, sees him as such.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:50:25pm

re: #106 BeachDem

Welp—Maggie Haberman, for some reason, thinks Pompeo “is seen as a leading presidential candidate for 2024.” (she doesn’t mention who, exactly, sees him as such.)

The 2024 race will be interesting regardless of what happens. Trump’s going to want to heavily influence the process and I wouldn’t put it past him to run again even if he’s in prison.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:51:44pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:54:34pm

re: #106 BeachDem

Welp—Maggie Haberman, for some reason, thinks Pompeo “is seen as a leading presidential candidate for 2024.” (she doesn’t mention who, exactly, sees him as such.)

Fuuuuuuck that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:55:06pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

Fuuuuuuck that.

Fuck any Republican in 2024.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:55:40pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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And I doubt anybody will be surprised when his spokesman denies the whole thing if the press ever gets around to asking about it.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:58:50pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 3:59:01pm

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:00:03pm

re: #112 jaunte

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As I’ve said, Trumpism is one giant MRA reaction.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:02:11pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:02:34pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:03:20pm

“Top diplomat.”

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:04:10pm

I wonder if they said anything interesting.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:07:08pm

re: #116 jaunte

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It also shows that Trump claiming to care about Ukraine is a lie. As it turns out, I do care about Ukraine. I even have a disagreement on a major issue with the Ukrainian government(the acknowledgment of the Rusyn people as a separate ethnic group) but I believe in Ukraine’s democracy and desire to be an ally in a democratic Europe where shared democracy, constitutional rights, & human rights matter. By placing Ukraine in danger, Trump puts us in danger because a Ukraine dominated by Russia will not be democratic, have constitutional law, or respect human rights.

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EPR-radar  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:07:11pm

re: #118 jaunte

Christ, an hour-long recording of Trump talking counts as a weapon of mass destruction.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:07:12pm

I …

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:07:32pm

You know, I don’t think this will be the last tape to come out.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:08:11pm

re: #118 jaunte

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I wonder if they said anything interesting.

Just joking about Marie Yovanovitch for a hour. It’s not Eddie Murphy at the Apollo.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:08:24pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

Certainly a Superfund site.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:09:18pm

Obama wasn’t pure enough so he’s cancelled in favor of the true revolutionary who will never compromise. That’s why he’s promoting an endorsement from someone with known transphobic tendencies and lovevests with alt-righties, because he’s going to persuade his audience with the power of the revolution!

Just….fuck.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:12:11pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:12:21pm

My favorite instrumental Herbie Hancock - Watermelon Man

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plansbandc  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:13:43pm

re: #97 Eclectic Cyborg

Nope.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:16:51pm

re: #125 Citizen K

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Obama wasn’t pure enough so he’s cancelled in favor of the true revolutionary who will never compromise. That’s why he’s promoting an endorsement from someone with known transphobic tendencies and lovevests with alt-righties, because he’s going to persuade his audience with the power of the revolution!

Just….fuck.

He also never dismissed people worried about racism as practicing identity politics.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:17:50pm

re: #126 goddamnedfrank

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Trump is nothing but a liar.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:18:04pm

re: #106 BeachDem

Welp—Maggie Haberman, for some reason, thinks Pompeo “is seen as a leading presidential candidate for 2024.” (she doesn’t mention who, exactly, sees him as such.)

Did you expect Trump’s #1 Presstitute to say anything else? We know she’ll be doing everything possible to promote Princess Ivanka in 2024!

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:21:32pm

re: #38 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Mitt really is Trump without caffeine. No one’s going to say that we should have elected Mitt in 2012 after this. They’re going to wish that Utah told him to stay the fuck away.

This Masshole declines to comment.
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:22:48pm

re: #132 Sherlock Hound

This Masshole declines to comment.
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Yeah what the hell were you guys thinking? Mitt has all the backbone of a Boston cream pie.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:23:22pm

re: #116 jaunte

It’s completely irrelevant whether Americans care or do not care about Ukraine. It’s totally relevant that the IMPOTUS illegally held back aid (that he signed into law, I’d add) until he was given information about his likely opponent in 2020.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:24:18pm

re: #133 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Now, now no more insulting Boston Creme Pies. /half

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:24:38pm

re: #131 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did you expect Trump’s #1 Presstitute to say anything else? We know she’ll be doing everything possible to promote Princess Ivanka in 2024!

She’s probably right though. I don’t see Ivanka going anywhere in a primary tbh. Pompeo though will have a pedigree and being known as the guy who stood by Trump. And he can pull the religion card in a way Ivanka can’t.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:24:56pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:25:24pm

re: #135 PhillyPretzel

Now, now no more insulting Boston Creme Pies. /half

Hey they’re good. They’re just not hard.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:26:41pm

re: #137 jaunte

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This is another way these guys are different from Bush’s. I can’t imagine Powell or Rice going out of their way to be a jerk to a reporter simply based on gender.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:27:25pm

re: #138 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly. How about something like tissue paper?

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:29:20pm

You’re going to see Jay Sekulow and all the other Trump University Law School hacks nuke Trump’s base-only strategy tomorrow. It’s going to be an absolute shit show. By the end of their “defense,” the polls showing 65-70%+ support for witnesses and documents will balloon to 80%.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:29:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:29:59pm

re: #133 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah what the hell were you guys thinking? Mitt has all the backbone of a Boston cream pie.

Please don’t do that. My aunt once brought us the original Boston Cream Pie from the Parker House Hotel and it was the most heavenly thing an 8 year old ever ate!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:30:02pm

re: #140 PhillyPretzel

Exactly. How about something like tissue paper?

It’s actually a reference to a TR line about McKinley having the backbone of an eclair. Plus I wanted to mock Boston :) since Massachusetts elected Mitt.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:30:18pm

re: #135 PhillyPretzel

Now, now no more insulting Boston Creme Pies. /half

I prefer the portable versions.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:31:28pm

re: #143 Joe Bacon 🌹

Please don’t do that. My aunt once brought us the original Boston Cream Pie from the Parker House Hotel and it was the most heavenly thing an 8 year old ever ate!

See below, it’s a reference to a TR one liner and mocking Massachusetts for electing him.

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gocart mozart  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:32:34pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:33:35pm
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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:36:24pm

re: #112 jaunte

The best reply to this is “Quit changing the subject.”

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:44:01pm

Someone texted in to the film-review podcast I listen to to say that their little multiplex had this on their marquee:

Little Women—Doolittle—Badboys 2.

Heh heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:46:05pm

morons

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:47:32pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:47:50pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

He didn’t mention clean water.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:51:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:51:32pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:51:57pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:53:29pm

re: #156 jaunte

I hate to say it but DT is making Archie Bunker look like a flaming liberal.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:53:56pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:56:05pm

re: #158 Dread Pirate

A bunch of dang hypocrites.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2020 • 4:56:43pm

Trump’s worried as fuck that the intel community is turning on Trump, so he put out this bulkshit statement that he’s suddenly affirming the intel community findings on foreign interference in our elections.

Of course, Trump and McConnell will prevent any actions to secure our elections, like Democrats want. They will continue to push “space force” instead of a clear and present danger posed by foreign powers interfering in our elections thanks to Trump openly soliciting foreign interference repeatedly - both Russia and Ukraine. In the latter case, it was full blown extortion attempt. The ask itself is a crime.

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:06:18pm

Oh, I love Adam Schiff!

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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:10:14pm

Oh?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:11:05pm
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steve_davis  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:12:19pm

re: #10 ckkatz

Going back to the Pandemic Discussions of a couple of threads ago…

Back in the late 1970’s I read William O’Neill’s “Plagues and Peoples” which is about how infectious diseases affect history.

Since then I have read a bunch of fascinating accounts of how diseases have affected human history and how humans are responding.

For example, The Justinian Plague of 541CE is viewed as probably the first reported occurrence of the Bubonic plague. It is thought to have killed off between one-tenth and one-quarter of world’s human population.

The ramifications it had for the Europe are fascinating.

Plague of Justinian
en.wikipedia.org

TL;DR-

The plague may have prevented the Byzantine Empire from reuniting the Western and Eastern Roman Empires, from fighting off a series of invasions and possibly from fighting off the Arab Invasions. And it may have been the reason why the native Britons couldn’t fight off the Angle and Saxon invasions.

I’ll probably drop a few more stories as I get time…

the moral seems to be that history is always written by people with the most shit on them.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:12:32pm

re: #157 PhillyPretzel

I hate to say it but DT is making Archie Bunker look like a flaming liberal.

Or more likely, Stephen Miller is. Though it’s defs possible that he has his ear so much because they came into this administration with already-similar views.

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:12:47pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

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According to the WaPo tv talking heads, the President’s attorneys are going to use their time to lie about what happened in the House process. And that they are going to blame everything on Biden.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:13:34pm

re: #133 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah what the hell were you guys thinking? Mitt has all the backbone of a Boston cream pie.

We have an electorate that wants “balance”. We also have a (misguided) fetish for “independent” voting. And we had some virulent rightists, despite our “blue” reputation.
Grover Nordquist hails from here. Unfortunately.

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EPR-radar  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:14:48pm

re: #166 retired cynic

According to the WaPo tv talking heads, the President’s attorneys are going to use their time to lie about what happened in the House process. And that they are going to blame everything on Biden.

Ultimately, I think much will depend on whether or not stupid and shallow weathervane voters are now fine with Republicans who are openly criminal.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:14:58pm

re: #156 jaunte

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Would have been a pity if travel were banned from Germany and Scotland in the first half of the last century.

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gocart mozart  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:15:21pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:17:19pm

re: #170 gocart mozart

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Someone got coding lessons from the guy who designed Drudge Report I see.

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EPR-radar  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:18:19pm

re: #170 gocart mozart

This is like a political version of the TimeCube nut.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:18:26pm

re: #144 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s actually a reference to a TR line about McKinley having the backbone of an eclair. Plus I wanted to mock Boston :) since Massachusetts elected Mitt.

The best part:
When Mitt ran for President, he planned an expensive fireworks celebration over the Seaport neighborhood, since his campaign HQ was at the Boston Convention Center.

He didn’t have his fireworks.

Reportedly, the Secret Service agent with him, shook his hand and left.
Mitt rode “home” with his son.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:21:55pm

re: #173 Sherlock Hound

The best part:
When Mitt ran for President, he planned an expensive fireworks celebration over the Seaport neighborhood, since his campaign HQ was at the Boston Convention Center.

He didn’t have his fireworks.

Reportedly, the Secret Service agent with him, shook his hand and left.
Mitt rode “home” with his son.

I bet Mitt was a joy to be around that night. Didn’t he also cut his staffers credit cards immediately? Mitt I really feel is a lot like Trump in a lot of ways in that he’s nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:23:43pm

re: #174 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yes. As soon as he stopped running he stopped everything else. Cheap b.

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Teukka  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:24:33pm

re: #164 steve_davis

the moral seems to be that history is always written by people with the most shit on them.

Another moral of history, especially when it comes to Y. pestis is that it is a lethal trap to believe that your devotion, your fear of God, your faith will save you.
I recall the story of this town in North Africa in the late 1340’s. It was renowned for its Godfearing, righteous people. They believed that that would save them from the pestilence… A little under a month later, a traveller passed by the city, only to find every single inhabitant dead. All 20,000 or so of them.

And I recently saw a documentary on a archaelogical site here in Sweden. Long story short, it was an entire family, part of which was buried proper, part of which appears to have been buried by the elements on site. The archaelogist said it was a special kind of chill when it dawned on her that the extended family of 25 or so individuals appeared to either have starved to death, or died by an illness. 5th or 6th century C.E.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:25:08pm
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steve_davis  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:26:55pm

completely off-topic. my property management team attempts to swindle me into signing a lease before the lease I just signed even begins to roll in February:

LEASE RENEWAL REQUEST
1/21/2020

Dear Steve Davis:
It is that time of year when we begin receiving requests for apartments for the Fall Semester. Your lease is scheduled to expire on 7/28/2020. Although it is a couple of months away, we need to know your plans now. Your options are listed below. Please indicate your lease expiration preference from the following options:

( ) 12-month lease renewal (Through July 2021): I would like to renew my lease for an additional 12 months with a monthly rent amount of $425. This does not include pet fees. Unless specified in writing, all other lease terms will remain the same.

( ) 5-month lease renewal (Through Dec. 2020): I would like to renew my lease for an additional 5 months with a monthly rent amount of $425. This does not include pet fees. Unless specified in writing, all other lease terms will be remain the same)

( ) Move-out: I plan to move and forward this letter as written notice that I will vacate the premises, return keys and provide a forwarding address on or before 12/31/2018.

You are welcome to send a simple response by email. If you prefer, you can sign the form and email it or mail it to the address above. THIS IS NOT A LEASE, but only indicates your future plans. Should you indicate that you will be moving-out, further instructions will be sent to you 3 to 4 weeks prior to your lease expiration date.

Sincerely, Accepted:


Tenant Signature
Lisa Leary, Accounts/Leasing Manager
Appletree Apartments, LLC
Tenant Signature
NOTICE
Please send your response by Monday, February 3, 2020. If we do not receive your reply by then, this letter serves as notice that your lease will expire and you will vacate the premise by 7/28/2020 . If you need more time to make a final decision, please let us know.

2

Steve
Wed, Jan 22, 10:02 PM (2 days ago)


to Stephanie

Stephanie, I am not, under any circumstances, going to make a decision about my lease until I approach the time when my lease renews. I will not let you know on February 29. I will not let you know on March 29. I have no idea where on earth your management team came to the belief that I am going to make a housing decision in February for a lease that runs through July, but I assure you that is not going to happen. Not by courtesy, and not by law.

Best,

Steve Davis
Sent from my iPad



to me

I will make a note of the time you need.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:31:53pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:38:08pm

re: #174 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I bet Mitt was a joy to be around that night. Didn’t he also cut his staffers credit cards immediately? Mitt I really feel is a lot like Trump in a lot of ways in that he’s nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks.

Yup. He also gave his staffers $3 Starbucks cards. The minimum value is usually $5.

Mittens’ real aspiration in life is to be a bishop in the Mormon Church. The Presidency was to have locked that in.

Two more stories:

Mitt hated to ride the State House elevator with his peons. He hired security to sweep the elevator before he went home to Belmont.

Mitt also had good hiring instincts: He hired a “Labor Secretary” who didn’t work, preferring to shop on Newbury St. (admittedly, a short walk from Beacon Hill.) Another staffer impersonated a police officer.

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Disloyal Archangel  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:39:23pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:41:17pm
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Teukka  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:45:57pm

Hope I don’t offend people with this:

Facebook Post

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:46:02pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:46:30pm
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Teukka  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:54:54pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:56:36pm

Wow, after Schiff, what a deflating experience to have to hear the voices of McConnell and Roberts.

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EPR-radar  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:58:05pm

re: #187 jaunte

Wow, after Schiff, what a deflating experience to have to hear the voices of McConnell and Roberts.

McConnell: “I will spend the next several hours shitting on the constitution and setting the resulting mess on fire.”

Roberts: “…”

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 5:59:38pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:02:32pm

They love an ignorant, easily manipulated base.

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danarchy  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:04:21pm

re: #186 Teukka

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Starship Troopers was a fun movie. It just had very little in common with the source material.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:04:45pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:13:36pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

“…He screamed, swore at her, and said she couldn’t find Ukraine on a map.”

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BeachDem  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:16:34pm

re: #167 Sherlock Hound

We have an electorate that wants “balance”. We also have a (misguided) fetish for “independent” voting. And we had some virulent rightists, despite our “blue” reputation.
Grover Nordquist hails from here. Unfortunately.

Yeah, still can’t get over nearly 20,000 voted for Scott fucking Lively in 2014 for governor. Yeesh. (and let’s not even talk about Jill Stein getting more than 75,000 votes in 2002 against Romney.)

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:19:40pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:19:53pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:25:30pm
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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:28:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:33:04pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:33:51pm
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ckkatz  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:39:09pm

re: #176 Teukka

Yes!

I was just reading about that case. Where a Swedish tomb dating from 3500-3000 BCE was excavated and found to contain evidence of Yersinia Pestis. This is contemporaneous to the Neolithic Decline.

The Neolithic decline was a rapid collapse in populations between five and six thousand years ago (approximately 3000 BC) during the Neolithic period in western Eurasia. The specific causes of that broad population decline are still debated. While heavily-populated settlements were regularly created, abandoned, and resettled during the Neolithic, after around 5400 BP, a great number of those settlements were permanently abandoned. The population decline is associated with worsening agricultural conditions and a decrease in cereal production. Other suggested causes include the emergence of communicable diseases spread from animals living in close quarters with humans.

Rascovan et al (2019) suggest that plague could have also caused the population decline. That is supported by the discovery of a tomb in modern-day Sweden containing 79 corpses buried within a short time, in which the authors discovered fragments of a unique strain of the plague pathogen Yersinia pestis. In that strain, the authors also discovered the “plasminogen activator gene that is sufficient to cause pneumonic plague”, an extremely deadly form of the plague which is airborne and directly communicable between humans.

Neolithic decline
en.wikipedia.org

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:41:37pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:41:57pm
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ckkatz  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:46:59pm

re: #118 jaunte

That sounds like a warning to the Republican Senators. And a repeat of what the House Managers have said.

That what is already known is damning. That there is more out there. That the senators do not know yet what it is. That it will get out. And that the Republican senators are going to get spattered with it.

Couldn’t happen to a better bunch.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:51:07pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 6:51:44pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:01:28pm
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ckkatz  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:09:42pm

In other news, the “Retail Apocalypse” seems to be continuing.

Among the announced store closures for 2020 according to Business Insider and Moneywise (And it’s only January):

Pier 1 Imports: 450 stores
Papyrus: 254 stores
Gap: 230 stores
Walgreens: 200 stores (This is in addition to a previously announced cut of 750 US stores)
Chico’s: 200 stores
Forever 21: 178 stores
Destination Maternity: 183 stores
A.C. Moore: 145 stores
Bose: 119 stores
Olympia Sports: 76 stores
Sears: 51 stores
Kmart: 45 stores
Bed, Bath & Beyond: 44 stores
Lucky’s Market: 32 stores
Express: 31 stores
Macy’s: 30 stores
JCPenney: 6 stores
Office Depot: Up to 90 stores
Christopher & Banks: Up to 40 stores
New York & Co.: 27 stores
CVS: 22 stores
Lord & Taylor: 2 stores (I have heard of a third announced closing)
Bloomingdale’s: 1 store

businessinsider.com
moneywise.com

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:11:32pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:31:00pm
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mmmirele  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:31:02pm

Sharing this video of my favorite sumo wrestler, Enho, getting his kachi koshi (eighth out of 15 wins) today. Remember, Enho is just over 5’6” and weighs about 218 pounds. His opponent today, Abi, is 6’3” and 324 pounds. Roll forward to 1:00 to see Enho make short work of Abi by basically throwing him out of the ring.

ETA: I believe he’ll get a special technique prize (and I think somewhere around $20,000) on Sunday.

January 2020 - Day 13 - Abi v Enho

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:32:42pm

One of us is that nut saying “yet you exist in society” from the Matt Bors cartoon.

I’m not sure which.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:36:01pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:38:16pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

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Yeah Trump never threatens anyone.//

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:40:24pm

Wait, who says “I was visibly upset with it.” How would he know what he looked like?

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:42:35pm

Oh, God/dess. They’ve invited the Strasserites into the tent, and it’s impossible to tell which ones are too ignorant that they existed to know that, and which ones are fellow travellers.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:43:38pm

re: #215 jaunte

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Wait, who says “I was visibly upset with it.” How would he know what he looked like?

God shut the fuck up already. We know damn well how Trump is to everyone who he thinks isn’t absolutely loyal to him.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:44:48pm

re: #217 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

But I have my visibly upset face on! That means I win!

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Interesting Times  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:45:05pm

re: #215 jaunte

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:46:13pm

re: #216 Chrysicat

Oh, God/dess. They’ve invited the Strasserites into the tent, and it’s impossible to tell which ones are too ignorant that they existed to know that, and which ones are fellow travellers.

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Hitler’s main competition was the SDP, literally the Socialist Party of Germany. The famous Nimholler poem mentions trade unionists and social democrats but what did he know that some idiot with an agenda to call Hitler left wing. Also Candace Owens known liberal praised Hitkerism pre invasion of Poland.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:46:15pm

re: #218 jaunte

But I have my visibly upset face on! That means I win!

I’M PLAYING THE DAMN VICTIM CARD, YOU KNOW THAT TRUMPS EVERYTHING!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:47:06pm

re: #219 Interesting Times

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This is your party, Rick. I really hope you regret helping get these enablers into office.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:03:49pm

re: #215 jaunte

They’re always shocked to find gambling going on in this establishment.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:09:09pm

re: #223 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

They’re always shocked to find gambling going on in this establishment.

Trump is going to have another shit fit and Susan will be there on cue to tell us how disappointed she is. Honestly, I despise a Susan Collins more than I do a true Trump believer because the the latter honestly believes in Donald Trump’s bullshit. Collins on the other hand claims to be outraged by certain behavior and then she enables it. I really hope her state throws her out this November. Enough of this shit.

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:28:00pm

re: #215 jaunte

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Wait, who says “I was visibly upset with it.” How would he know what he looked like?

He knows what he looked like because he’d been practicing in a mirror for days, hoping he’d have a chance to use it.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:29:49pm

re: #225 sagehen

A brilliant heart felt presentation by Adam Schiff followed by Republicans reading their stage directions out loud.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:06:50am

re: #162 Dread Pirate

Meanwhile, we have proof that the Saudis were doing all the things that Trumpworld was claiming the Iranians were doing, about to do, etc.

The Saudis are going after Americans who question MBS. Trump’s enabling him.


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