Exquisite Classical Guitar Performance: Zsófia Boros - Nocturne (Mathias Duplessy)

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Zsófia Boros
Local Objects

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The second album from the Hungarian-born Vienna-based guitarist finds her embracing a broad scope of music, broader even than on her outstanding debut En otra parte. This time the range extends from contemporary composition to jazz etude via music from Brazil, Argentina, Italy and Azerbaijan - all embraced with imagination and creative flair. Pieces played here by Zsófia Boros include Egberto Gismonti’s challenging “Celebração de Núpcias” (made famous on Dança das cabeças), Franghiz Ali-Zadeh’s “Fantasie”, Al Di Meola’s “Vertigo Shadow”, and Carlo Domeniconi’s Turkish-influenced “Koyunbaba”. These Local Objects are rendered universal by Boros’s subtle and sensitive playing in an album recorded at Lugano’s Auditorio Stelio Molo in November 2015 and produced by Manfred Eicher.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:55:24pm

That’s refreshing.

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retired cynic  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:56:43pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Exquisite, really!

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 7:58:20pm

My DK diary, I Refuse to Get Snookered by Racists and Bigots:

Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie Sanders the other day, and Sanders, rather than saying he didn’t want that type of attention, embraced Rogan’s endorsement. Why? And why are there so many on the left that seem to be so willing to accept it?

Let’s imagine this scenario: David Duke comes out and says he’s going to vote for Joe Biden. What would the reaction of Democrats be? There would have been immediate cries for Biden to denounce Duke, though I suspect Biden would have beaten everyone by announcing it himself. There’s no way he would have embraced it. Why? Because Biden knows that the Democratic party is a coalition of whites, African Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans, LGBTQ, the disabled, the poor, the working class, upper class, and just about any type of subgroup you can imagine. But what we strive to not be is a party for bigots. We’re not perfect, and the people sometimes fail, but an overt bigot is someone we do not want in the party.

In the race to have their candidate win (guess what, I’m not pointing at you), some people tend to forget what the party tries to represent. These people can be willing to overlook certain traits that would spell doom for our party and our chances in November (Why should someone come out and vote if the party is going to discriminate against them?). And because the internet is great at amplifying trolls, it can seem that there are lots of people making the same calculation, and so it might seem that it’s not really going to cost anything. But it will.

The question though is why would Rogan involve himself in Democratic politics? Why did he pick Sanders? My personal view is that he got lucky that Sanders returned the favor, because Rogan’s goal is to have Democrats fighting with each other. He chose Sanders because he’s seen what happens on the internet when Sanders comes under fire.

Rogan is not going to vote for Candidate Sanders in November should Sanders win the nomination. He, like Republicans, doesn’t have to worry about who he is going to choose. He can afford to look like he’s thinking about voting for a Democrat, because it’s not going to cost him anything. He has no qualms about interfering with our nominating process in order to help Trump win.

I’m part of the anyone-but-Tulsi-and-Trump crowd. I have my preferred candidate, which I have also had to change a few times. But I am choosing a candidate based on the principles I hold, those that I believe the Democratic party supports. And part of that choice is because so many people around me would be affected by policies that target gays (family), trans (family and friends), minorities (friends), and the poor and the sick (family, friends, and neighbors).

Not too long after Trump became president, there was a tweetstorm about someone’s relative who was a child in France during WW2. And one of the things this person had to learn was that sometimes those that looked like they were being friendly were also working for the enemy. We still have to keep that lesson in mind. Russia is out there amplifying any difference between candidates and supporters so that it sounds like a full war. Our media is helping that as well. Trolls will come onto sites like this one to stir up trouble. But we have to keep our principles:

1. No racists.

2. No bigots.

3. We stand for people being oppressed.

4. We are here to help those who need help.

We help our candidate, and our country, by refusing to accept bigotry.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:11:18pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:12:52pm

re: #3 Belafon

My DK diary, I Refuse to Get Snookered by Racists and Bigots:

Nothing makes sense anymore. I don’t know how the hell Joe Rogan who until a few years ago was famous as a guy who hosted a show where people ate bugs became influential. And I think that’s what bothers me about where we are. There are a lot of those who have influence who don’t have a fucking clue what they’re talking about.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:15:04pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:15:22pm

re: #4 jaunte

I don’t doubt it. We already have Trump agreeing with Putin over our IC on camera. I can’t imagine what was said between them when the cameras weren’t rolling. And it’s yet another lie by Trump. He lied that he didn’t know Parnas. That was a lie. So what else is he lying about? I would be willing to bet at this point that high ranking members of the Trump campaign actively collaborated with the Russian government to receive help in the last election at Trump’s behest.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:15:24pm

re: #3 Belafon

I don’t know what to make of this, but…

In 2016, I was quite literally surrounded by Bernie signs. The house to one side of me is a lovely schoolteacher, a divorced Mormon mom of three wonderful biracial kids. The other side is an older couple, kids now grown, adopted an Iranian refugee teenager. It’s a cool neighborhood.

Anyway… in 2016 they both had Bernie signs up. And the signs stayed up, long after the primaries (it’s NY, the race was over before it got here anyway) and after the general and well into 2017 before they finally went away.

This year? No signs on either side at all. Is the bloom off the Bern for them? Are we all so frazzled by the Orangeanus we’re ready to vote for anything blue? I did see a Yang sign down the street today.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:16:13pm
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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:17:31pm

This is cool, Chesa Boudin, the new DA in San Francisco has eliminated cash bail. The only reason for holding someone is public safety. thenation.com.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:19:00pm

re: #10 Belafon

This is cool, Chesa Boudin, the new DA in San Francisco has eliminated cash bail. The only reason for holding someone is public safety. thenation.com.

A lot of the changes to CJ system are happening on a local level. Aside from flipping my State Senate seat, we also flipped the comonwealth’s attorney here in my county. That’s our equivalent of the DA. That was huge.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:22:34pm

I mean how goddamn dumb do Collins and Murkowski think we are? Trump will still bring up McCain to trash him if it suits him on the campaign trail but we’re supposed to be outraged because Schiff brought up that they were under pressure to acquit him. Trump did ask for a total dismissal of the charges after all. Both of them and every last Republican in the Senate can fuck off. It’s not Schiff’s fault that your party nominated a petty, tyrannical minded jackass who has no business holding the same job position that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln once held. We don’t know the full extent of what happened with Ukraine because yeah they haven’t produced witnesses and they totally didn’t comply with the investigation.

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danarchy  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:37:36pm

re: #10 Belafon

This is cool, Chesa Boudin, the new DA in San Francisco has eliminated cash bail. The only reason for holding someone is public safety. thenation.com.

How does that work if the law hasn’t been changed? Isn’t it the judge who decides on bail?

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:38:35pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:38:50pm

Thug Government

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:39:00pm

re: #10 Belafon

This is cool, Chesa Boudin, the new DA in San Francisco has eliminated cash bail. The only reason for holding someone is public safety. thenation.com.

a reminder of Chesa Boudin’s background (from wikipedia):

When Boudin was 14 months old, his parents were arrested for murder in their role as getaway car drivers in the Brink’s robbery of 1981 in Rockland County, New York. His mother was sentenced to 20 years to life and his father to 75 years to life for the felony murders of two police officers and a security guard. After his parents were incarcerated, Boudin was raised in Chicago by adoptive parents Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, who, like his parents, had been members of the Weather Underground.

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:40:15pm

re: #13 danarchy

How does that work if the law hasn’t been changed? Isn’t it the judge who decides on bail?

the judge’s decision is usually based on going along with whatever the DA asked for.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:40:34pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:41:05pm

re: #14 jaunte

They really don’t like reporters especially women ones doing their jobs. Pompeo is a fucking asshole just like his bosses Trump and Pence when it comes to respecting professional women. Neanderthal end times bedwetter.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:42:31pm

re: #14 jaunte

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According to the NPR article, he got further pissed when she pointed where Ukraine was on the map.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:44:12pm

re: #18 Dread Pirate

It’s so much like her behavior in the Kavanaugh judicial nomination. She’s nothing but McConnell’s stooge when he wants to look like he respects the integrity of the Senate which he does not. McConnell only cares about his own power. Oh and his wife is part of the Trump presidency too but it would be so outrageous to point that out too i bet. Funny, I seem to recall Trump complaining that McCabe was “so conflicted” because his wife was running for my state senate district’s seat against a Republican who among other things wrote a letter to Assad praising his actions and denied that spousal rape was a thing but it’s no big deal that the Senate Majority Leader who is in charge of an impeachment trial’s wife is in the Cabinet. Mitch is the swamp. He is the lead swamp monster. After Trump himself, there’s no one who deserves to lose more this year. Collins is pretty close as is Graham though.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:44:59pm

re: #20 Belafon

He’s hypersensitive about Ukraine, which is not a normal reaction when everything you’re doing is completely aboveboard.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:46:36pm

re: #20 Belafon

According to the NPR article, he got further pissed when she pointed where Ukraine was on the map.

I was pretty near the Ukrainian border when I was in Slovakia. Slovakia like Ukraine is trying to become a more democratic nation. What idiots like Pompeo who scoff about who cares don’t get is a democratic Ukraine is something that is good for all of us. I’m loathe to give the Bush administration credit on foreign policy but they did support the Orange Revolution in Ukraine in 2004. I doubt Trump knows or cares what that was because in Trump’s own words, no one knows more than him.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:48:22pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 8:50:43pm

re: #24 Dread Pirate

At least Van Drew in New Jersey had the decency to switch to being a Republican and to actually vote no. Tulsi votes present and she thinks she’s this profile in political courage when in reality, she is proving that if HRC was definitely talking about her, she was right.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:07:27pm

Ha!!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:14:04pm

re: #26 Dave In Austin

Ha!!

I’m willing to bet those officers owned a MAGA hat or two and were just furious that the “whore” that was making their precious orange one look bad was in their town.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:15:25pm

So apparently the moral of the day is you’re free to call Repub “moderates” everything from partisan hacks to sell-outs, but don’t you DARE accuse them of cowardice.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:33:31pm

They were outraged that Nadler suggested they were covering up for Trump too but he was right. Graham even admitted it. They really think Trump did nothing wrong and I hope it results in a lot of unemployed Republicans getting to watch a lot of Trump and their work be undone.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:40:19pm
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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:41:36pm

re: #125 Citizen K

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Obama wasn’t pure enough so he’s cancelled in favor of the true revolutionary who will never compromise. That’s why he’s promoting an endorsement from someone with known transphobic tendencies and lovevests with alt-righties, because he’s going to persuade his audience with the power of the revolution!

Just….fuck.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 9:45:36pm

re: #30 Dread Pirate

They really are.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:07:16pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:07:53pm

re: #31 Chrysicat

Well, Bernie sponsored some bills to name post offices, he should be president.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:09:55pm

According to an article in the Los Angeles Times, the coronavirus may be no more deadly than the seasonal flu — and that it’s premature to panic, since it’s not a Hollywood movie. They need to gather more information to determine how dangerous it really is.

So, for now, we can focus on the real danger to this nation — Trump and his GOP.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:12:49pm

re: #34 Dread Pirate

Well, Bernie sponsored some bills to name post offices, he should be president.

I have family and friends who like Bernie. I’ve never gotten a good answer about why he would make a good President. They just want to tout his voting record and act like that’s enough. It’s not. I really think Bernie would disappoint so many people and Bernie knowing Bernie would be so immodest that he wouldn’t take responsibilty for any disappointments. He would also be an easy target for weakening our majority in the House and helping the Republicans to keep theirs in the Senate. I really sad to say think Bernie gets core loyalty by promising universal health care, forgiveness of loan debts while letting people keep their prejudices. I don’t think a Sanders administration would be actively hostile to minority interests but I don’t see him going out of his way to support them either unless he got something in return.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:13:46pm
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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:14:56pm

I take it this failed like a shart, or I would have heard something.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:16:09pm

re: #37 Dave In Austin

You know why I don’t worry about Shariah Law in America? Because if theocracy comes in America, it will not come in the form of Muslim-Americans, it will come in the form of Evangelical Americans who think America is theirs to make into a theocracy. I wish these assholes could be haunted by their theological ancestors who actually were oppressed by a regime that blended Christianity with the State.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:16:58pm

re: #38 Dread Pirate

I take it this failed like a shart, or I would have heard something.

In short, I, Rudy will get drunk and just say shit about the Bidens because I can’t get over that Joe Biden said the truth about me using 9/11 all the time and being nothing but a despicable old fraud.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:28:50pm

re: #37 Dave In Austin

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I’ve had it with these fucking Pulpit Pimps!

TAX THE CHURCHES!

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:31:15pm

I searched “surf and terf” because of how bro-ish and terf-ish Bernie threads have gotten, to see how many times we’ve brought it up. I’ll likelyu be muting the actual TERF proudly using it as her screenname, but not before I help drag her even further this once.
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:31:48pm

The sham trial is shaking out just as I predicted. Not one single Republican will vote to call witnesses and all 53 will vote to acquit Trump.

But what is really going to piss Trump off is when the press reminds people that 55 senators acquitted Bill Clinton.

Trump does NOT want to again face that a Clinton got MORE votes than he did! He’s going to really flip out!

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:45:08pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:45:16pm

Another of my daily SMDH moments: Guest coming up to the desk of a 100% non-smoking hotel and being surprised that we don’t have lighters or matches to give out.

*sssiiiggghhh*

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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:46:14pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:47:02pm

re: #42 Chrysicat

I searched “surf and terf” because of how bro-ish and terf-ish Bernie threads have gotten, to see how many times we’ve brought it up. I’ll likelyu be muting the actual TERF proudly using it as her screenname, but not before I help drag her even further this once.

TERF groups have been documented as being funded by groups like the Heritage Foundation, specifically to rodent-copulate feminist groups.

And screw her complaints about mammograms. Cis men get them too.

When the Doc Thinks You Have Male Breast Cancer (goes to my article on the right hand column, May 5, 2019)

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:49:20pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:50:16pm

re: #48 Chrysicat

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:51:59pm

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

The sham trial is shaking out just as I predicted. Not one single Republican will vote to call witnesses and all 53 will vote to acquit Trump.

But what is really going to piss Trump off is when the press reminds people that 55 senators acquitted Bill Clinton.

Trump does NOT want to again face that a Clinton got MORE votes than he did! He’s going to really flip out!

Think my favorite part is the word going around that they intend to spend time going after the Bidens.

Because really, after you’ve screamed yourself hoarse about how impeachment is totally partisan and an act intended to influence the next election, spending hours spreading Biden-related conspiracy theories in defense of your client shows you’re totally focused on the “facts” of the case.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 24, 2020 • 10:57:24pm

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:14:20pm

Wow, reading that anti-trans thread on a bra fitting reads just like reading articles from the Twenties regarding immigration being a communist plot to destroy America, Fifties and Sixties articles regarding integration and the Civil Rights Movement being a communist plot to destroy America, Eighties articles about LGBT rights being a communist plot to destroy America, &c.

Every one of the people posting in that thread reads like every conservative article I ever read about why group X shouldn’t be treated fairly and with dignity in society.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:30:56pm

Reminder #5008 or something that a lot of Bros are actual communists calling themselves socialist because even some Millennials know better than to play with Soviet fire:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:41:32pm

A reminder of those defending Sen. Sanders’s acceptance of the endorsement from Joe Rogan, of just who Joe Rogan is.

Joe Rogan Calls All Black People Apes-Africa Is Planet Of The Apes (0:20, weird YouTube size format)

He went into a theatre and was commenting on seeing “no white people” in the theatre.

Joe Rogan Calls All Black People Apes-Africa Is Planet Of The Apes

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:48:53pm

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Unfortunately, I highly suspect that in here this is complete preaching to the choir.

Which is why I’m throwing most of my bombs on Twitter, then only posting them back here for possible signal-boost.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:49:11pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:51:12pm

I promised I wouldn’t post tweets here any more, but this one needed calling out.

Joe Rogan gets nowhere near two hundred million views a month.
socialblade.com

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Dread Pirate  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:51:32pm

Note to Self: YouTube links don’t name where they are in an album so apply a footnote.

The Beatles - 11. All Things Must Pass 1:04:24

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:55:52pm

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 24, 2020 • 11:59:25pm

Dipshit responds:

Doctors don’t fit bras, nor do they cure gynecomastia. The only “cure” such as it is, is a radical mastectomy (which health insurance won’t pay for because it’s not medically indicated—even the VA won’t do it, as the risks of the surgery are too great).

A physician’s solution, such as it is, is to buy a brassiere if growth becomes too great.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:00:46am
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Dread Pirate  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:03:56am

re: #61 Chrysicat

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Yeah, whitey got pissy.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:06:18am

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Mass Resistance, a right-wing funded group opposing women’s rights, in the person’s Twitter handle. Quelle surprise

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:07:52am

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I promised I wouldn’t post tweets here any more, but this one needed calling out.

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Joe Rogan gets nowhere near two hundred million views a month.
socialblade.com

And even if he did, what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Views are not votes, a person who tunes in out of morbid curiosity counts as a “view,” but that doesn’t mean they’re gonna be swayed and become a Bernie supporter. What these nimrods are arguing is that embracing a racist bigot is cool if he’s popular with other racists and bigots. Are they going to be equally as thrilled if Hannity drops an “endorsement” for Bernie because so many MAGAts are devoted Faux viewers?

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Dread Pirate  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:11:56am

The Beatles Disc 3-1. Get Back (Reprise) 1:24:30 in German.

The Beatles - Get Back Sessions (1969)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:12:09am

re: #64 Targetpractice

And even if he did, what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Views are not votes, a person who tunes in out of morbid curiosity counts as a “view,” but that doesn’t mean they’re gonna be swayed and become a Bernie supporter. What these nimrods are arguing is that embracing a racist bigot is cool if he’s popular with other racists and bigots. Are they going to be equally as thrilled if Hannity drops an “endorsement” for Bernie because so many MAGAts are devoted Faux viewers?

Yup.

I watch religious apologetics videos frequently. That doesn’t make me religious. That does add one to the count of whatever apologist I’m watching.

The do give me material for the counter-apologetics forum I run on behalf of an organisation though.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:12:10am

re: #64 Targetpractice

And even if he did, what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Views are not votes, a person who tunes in out of morbid curiosity counts as a “view,” but that doesn’t mean they’re gonna be swayed and become a Bernie supporter. What these nimrods are arguing is that embracing a racist bigot is cool if he’s popular with other racists and bigots. Are they going to be equally as thrilled if Hannity drops an “endorsement” for Bernie because so many MAGAts are devoted Faux viewers?

Neera Tanden literally asked that. The Bro response was somewhat circumspect, but others still said “fuck yeah I will!”

Errr, wait, no, she asked about Fucker Carlson, not Hannity. Same diff though.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:20:39am

re: #67 Chrysicat

I see you posted my response to that dingbat Mass Resistance supporter.

+100

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:26:40am

Still digging up Strasserites from 12-hours-ago’s thread. So tiresome:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:28:24am

Matt Powell is working on a sequel to his blockbuster creationism-defending movie “Science Falsely So Called” (because apparently the first one didn’t debunk the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection and win a whole bunch of people to his pumpkin-curious New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church).

(11:49, caution for coarse language and wingnut pastor buddy of his Steven Anderson of NIFB being tased by Border Patrol for refusing to identify himself like a common sovereign citizen at 6:57, goes to Utah Outcasts)

Matt Powell is Working on a New Creationism Movie

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:33:56am

She is being intentionally obtuse.

Liposuction does not remove the breast structures created with gynecomastia such as milk glands, and even if it did, medical insurance and the VA still won’t pay for it. Liposuction also carries risks and is expensive as all get-out.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:35:03am

re: #67 Chrysicat

Neera Tanden literally asked that. The Bro response was somewhat circumspect, but others still said “fuck yeah I will!”

Errr, wait, no, she asked about Fucker Carlson, not Hannity. Same diff though.

These morons ain’t got the common sense that God gave the lemming. If men who are diametrically opposed to everything I stand for suddenly want to endorse my candidacy, the logical response is not “That’s awesome! I can totally benefit from this!” The logical response is “What are they getting out of endorsing me?” And the logical answer is “Total chaos.”

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:35:47am

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹🎃

She is being intentionally obtuse.

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Liposuction does not remove the breast structures created with gynecomastia such as milk glands, and even if it did, medical insurance and the VA still won’t pay for it. Liposuction also carries risks and is expensive as all get-out.

I know, but at this point if I step in there again she’s going to start looking for the overt anti-TERF posts on my TL and if she finds them I eat a suspension.
I’m hoping she at least doesn’t have things set up where she can view my photos.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:37:30am

re: #73 Chrysicat

I know, but at this point if I step in there again she’s going to start looking for the overt anti-TERF posts on my TL and if she finds them I eat a suspension.
I’m hoping she at least doesn’t have things set up where she can view my photos.

Fair enough. I suppose you could block her first and let her prance around Twitter declaring “victory” if it makes her feel better.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:38:57am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Fair enough. I suppose you could block her first and let her prance around Twitter declaring “victory” if it makes her feel better.

That’s what I went ahead and did.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:39:47am

re: #75 Chrysicat

That’s what I went ahead and did.

Stonekettle is an ardent proponent of the Twitter airlock.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:41:08am

The Beatles - A Quick One While He’s Away

The Beatles - Get Back Sessions (1969)

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Dread Pirate  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:46:27am

I think a lot of of this was studio session wars between John Lennon and Paul McCartney.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:46:34am

re: #76 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And for the record, regarding her “you must be a man” shot, (this next part is gory fitting details, so hidden but available for all to see)

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Yeah, nail-spitting was ensuing.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 1:01:40am

re: #79 Chrysicat

And for the record, regarding her “you must be a man” shot, (this next part is gory fitting details, so hidden but available for all to see)

Yeah, nail-spitting was ensuing.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 25, 2020 • 1:04:48am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2020 • 1:10:32am

Pretty substantial earthquake in eastern Turkey last night, about 6.8 magnitude.

At least 21 people have been killed and more than 1,000 injured in a powerful earthquake in eastern Turkey.

The 6.8 magnitude quake, centred on the town of Sivrice in Elazig province, caused buildings to collapse and sent residents rushing into the street.

Tremors were also felt in neighbouring Syria, Lebanon and Iran.

Earthquakes are common in Turkey - about 17,000 people died in a massive quake in the western city of Izmit in 1999.

Friday’s quake struck at about 20:55 local time (17:55 GMT).

bbc.com

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 1:20:57am

re: #80 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 1:31:37am

Suris is a counter-apologist on YouTube.

With Godless Cranium (another counter-apologist), they have been going after Christians promoting fascist ideas, pointing out how fascists hide their ideas in nuggets of “free speech” and how more and more radicalising content is pushed by YouTube’s algorithm as you watch such people.

In this video he goes after Computing Forever, a British conservative YouTuber promoting nationalism through Catholicism.

Computing Forever is one of the feeder channels on YouTube which leads you to more and more fascist content. In this video for example, he frequently uses equivocation fallacies to swap out different definitions for the same word (common amongst both Christian apologists and fascists) such as “globalism” (the economic idea of a globally-interconnected economy or a transnational organisation such as the Roman Catholic Church, and TEH JOOOS)

Suris has joined a number of other atheists in calling out fascists (such as Natalie Wynn [ContraPoints], Godless Engineer, and Logicked) as they feel YouTube is becoming overwhelmed by Christian apologists promoting fascism. His starter video in the series is “Rick Wiles and the Cycle of Fascism.”

[25:38]

Computing Forever says we NEED NATIONALISM NOW! And I think he’s just wrong.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 1:36:42am

re: #83 Chrysicat

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Teukka  Jan 25, 2020 • 2:00:47am

KNOTS: A VISUAL REFERENCE

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 2:09:43am

re: #86 Teukka

KNOTS: A VISUAL REFERENCE

Animated Knots (a Website which animates the tying of those and other knots, so you can see the steps in creating them)

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Teukka  Jan 25, 2020 • 2:11:01am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Animated Knots (a Website which animates the tying of those and other knots, so you can see the steps in creating them)

check the middle knot

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 2:16:37am

re: #88 Teukka

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I saw it after I posted that. I got a laugh on the double-take.

The Animated Knots Website also shows how to tie common necktie knots, including bowties.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 2:27:57am

It is noteworthy that the anti-fascist callout videos created by Godless Cranium and Suris are immediately demonitised by YouTube.

YouTube considers them attacks on religion (Christianity).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 2:35:28am

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That’s interesting. I went back to look at Godless Cranium’s video on the German-American Bund (showing fascism has been here as long as fascists have been around), and YouTube made the video 18+ (adults only). That means I can’t watch it unless I use the NSFW YouTube bypass Website as I don’t have a YouTube account.

American Fascism: The German American Bund

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Teukka  Jan 25, 2020 • 3:10:22am

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That’s interesting. I went back to look at Godless Cranium’s video on the German-American Bund (showing fascism has been here as long as fascists have been around), and YouTube made the video 18+ (adults only). That means I can’t watch it unless I use the NSFW YouTube bypass Website as I don’t have a YouTube account.

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Another nice video from Godless Cranium:

How Fascists Use the Media to Spread Hate: The Story of Father Coughlin

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 3:25:30am

re: #92 Teukka

Another nice video from Godless Cranium:

Godless Cranium notes he initially posted a draft of his video privately to trusted followers on YouTube, and YouTube immediately removed the private video for hate speech against Christians.

He mentions in that video Father Coughlin founded a group called the “Christian Front.”

I went to look up what they were. They were a group which promoted a “Buy Christian” campaign (meaning no Jews, Muslims, Hindus, or atheists), and harassed or beat Jewish elderly, women, and children in the streets.

The group promoted Father Coughlin’s magazine Social Justice, participated in the Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden, and protested and picketed radio stations when Father Coughlin’s radio programme was removed by CBS.

The group was raided by the FBI and seventeen leaders arrested for attempting to overthrow the government by violence. A prominent Catholic magazine of the day sympathised with those arrested, but called them hypnotised by Father Coughlin.

The grand jury returned “no verdict” in their trial, and the charges were dropped.

Christian Front (goes to Wikipedia)

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 25, 2020 • 3:27:25am

re: #37 Dave In Austin

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‘angelic army with flaming swords’ to protect Trump from impeachment

And I call on the minions of Satan to douse their flames with ice cold water and descend to kick their asses.

(for the record I don’t believe in either mythical being, just a thought)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 3:30:49am

re: #94 Eventual Carrion

And I call on the minions of Satan to douse their flames with ice cold water and descend to kick their asses.

(for the record I don’t believe in either mythical being, just a thought)

Maybe the Flying Spaghetti Monster can dump marinara sauce on them.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 3:36:12am

Were the Nazis socialists? (In a word, no.) [16:26]

Were The Nazis Socialists?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 4:03:43am

Well, I’ve probably put up enough atheistic anti-Christian Nationalist videos for one lifetime, and admitted to more personal stuff in the private comments than anyone ever should admit to on the Internet, so I think I’m going to head off to bed.

G’night, y’all.

Image: giphy.gif

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2020 • 4:12:49am

The US is planning on flying Americans out of Wuhan.

wsj.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 25, 2020 • 4:14:16am

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

The US is planning on flying Americans out of Wuhan.

wsj.com

There’s always a tweet. Trump attacked Obama during the beginning of the Ebola outbreak over three people coming into the USA.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 4:56:58am
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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 4:59:26am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:05:01am

re: #101 Chrysicat

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I’m glad you brought up the EOs. I really think Sanders will struggle to pass legislation as President and it’s exhausting getting talked down to people. It’s like they have no idea how hard ACA was to first pass and then uphold in court. I might have more optimism if Sanders has more skill at passing legislation but it’s actually a great weakness of his.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:11:40am

re: #102 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m glad you brought up the EOs. I really think Sanders will struggle to pass legislation as President and it’s exhausting getting talked down to people. It’s like they have no idea how hard ACA was to first pass and then uphold in court. I might have more optimism if Sanders has more skill at passing legislation but it’s actually a great weakness of his.

Yeah, I brought up the EOs because I don’t know for sure whether Bernie will actively desire to take up the king’s sceptre that the Senate is going to leave on the Resolute Desk for any president with fewer than 63 opposition Senators, but I do know a disconcerting percentage of his supporters will pressure him to do so.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:25:23am

re: #103 Chrysicat

Yeah, I brought up the EOs because I don’t know for sure whether Bernie will actively desire to take up the king’s sceptre that the Senate is going to leave on the Resolute Desk for any president with fewer than 63 opposition Senators, but I do know a disconcerting percentage of his supporters will pressure him to do so.

All presidents issue them. But yes I really worry about how effective he would be and open us up to another 2010 or 2016 situation where Republicans take advantage of amnesia and frustration.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:28:56am

re: #102 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m glad you brought up the EOs. I really think Sanders will struggle to pass legislation as President and it’s exhausting getting talked down to people. It’s like they have no idea how hard ACA was to first pass and then uphold in court. I might have more optimism if Sanders has more skill at passing legislation but it’s actually a great weakness of his.

And there is no reservoir of favors or goodwill within the Democratic Party for Sanders to draw on. He’s pretty much only a member of the party when he campaigns for the nomination. Once it’s over he withdraws back into his “Independent”* shell and just caucuses with the Democrats since it’s useful to *him* as otherwise he’d be out in the cold completely with no chance of committee assignments.

* - Not being part of the Democratic Party might be one of his selling points to the Bros and part of the progressive faction, but I also think it’s sort of cynical on his part as well. (And I am sort of surprised the Democratic Party didn’t tighten their participation rules after 2016.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:36:11am

re: #105 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And there is no reservoir of favors or goodwill within the Democratic Party for Sanders to draw on. He’s pretty much only a member of the party when he campaigns for the nomination. Once it’s over he withdraws back into his “Independent”* shell and just caucuses with the Democrats since it’s useful to *him* as otherwise he’d be out in the cold completely with no chance of committee assignments.

* - Not being part of the Democratic Party might be one of his selling points to the Bros and part of the progressive faction, but I also think it’s sort of cynical on his part as well. (And I am sort of surprised the Democratic Party didn’t tighten their participation rules after 2016.)

I wish someone would tell his supporters that the same establishment types that he craps on also campaigned for him. You’re right. The independent act is very cynical and imo self serving. It’s I want to be a Democrat when it suits me but I’ll run away from the party if it suits me too. I just wish these people would see he plays the same cynical political games they hate in others.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:38:34am

re: #104 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

All presidents issue them. But yes I really worry about how effective he would be and open us up to another 2010 or 2016 situation where Republicans take advantage of amnesia and frustration.

Yes, that’s the other issue. Without a filibuster-proof Dem senate, which he ain’t getting because I think there are barely enough Rs up for election even if we swept, we’re looking at either McTurtle or Aunt Lindsey vowing to make him a one-term president. And Rs just get more fascist every cycle, so giving them back the presidency to go with what will almost certainly be an R senate again would be…extra bad. The country could survive 41 because he was the least caretaker “caretaker president” we’ve had, and started pulling left from Reagan, and Carter; because 41 was additionally succeeded by a man who’d have been in the middle of Eisenhower’s Republican party, and because the country was still basically at its high-water mark when Reagan stole the office. A caretaker admin after the Trump reign of error would leave the country in approximately the relative state of 1781 Poland, if not 1990 Yugoslavia.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:40:11am
“Pat Cipollone, the White House counsel, and Jay Sekulow, Trump’s personal attorney, plan to use their time in the trial to target the former vice president and his son, Hunter… Trump’s allies believe that if they can argue that the president had a plausible reason for requesting the Biden investigation in Ukraine, they can both defend him against the impeachment charges and gain the bonus of undercutting a political adversary.”

Then they’re going to have to explain what changed in those 55 days of holding the money and also why they stopped pushing the “request” for the investigation

- either they satisfied themselves there was nothing to the Biden allegations and so released the money..Hunter is clean

Or

- they released the money knowing (and able to prove) Hunter was “dirty’

If they simply believed more investigation was necessary they should have not released the money and stood their ground publicly saying why. Of course they never should have held it secretly on an unproven hunch …which is where they are now, no proof of anything

No they released the money and dropped the request because it got exposed

There is no other way to explain the wild swing and swing back in 55 days because they’re still arguing he’s horribly dirty

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:41:46am

re: #107 Chrysicat

Yes, that’s the other issue. Without a filibuster-proof Dem senate, which he ain’t getting because I think there are barely enough Rs up for election even if we swept, we’re looking at either McTurtle or Aunt Lindsey vowing to make him a one-term president. And Rs just get more fascist every cycle, so giving them back the presidency to go with what will almost certainly be an R senate again would be…extra bad. The country could survive 41 because he was the least caretaker “caretaker president we’ve had, and started pulling left from Reagan, and Carter, because 41 was additionally succeeded by a man who’d have been in the middle of Eisenhower’s Republican party, and because the country was still basically at its high-water mark when Reagan stole the office. A caretaker admin after the Trump reign of error would leave the country in approximately the relative state of 1781 Poland, if not 1990 Yugoslavia.

Exactly. And they think we’re going to get a second New Deal just like that. I hate to tell them but that took a Depression and huge majorities in Congress. But FDR had to deal with court challenges. It’s like saying I want to go live in France but not wanting to learn French or where you’d be going. And I’ll be blunt, I’m not totally sold on how some of his ideas would work in our economy like ours either. And I think he definitely doesn’t understand soft power in the form of trade.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:47:09am

re: #108 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Then they’re going to have to explain what changed in those 55 days of holding the money and also why they stopped pushing the “request” for the investigation

- either they satisfied themselves there was nothing to the Biden allegations and so released the money..Hunter is clean

Or

- they released the money knowing (and able to prove) Hunter was “dirty’

If they simply believed more investigation was necessary they should have not released the money and stood their ground publicly saying why. Of course they never should have held it secretly on an unproven hunch …which is where they are now, no proof of anything

No they released the money and dropped the request because it got exposed

There is no other way to explain the wild swing and swing back in 55 days because they’re still arguing he’s horribly dirty

It’s this fantasy that Trump was concerned about corruption that matters here IMO. If Trump was concerned about corruption, why try to weaken the federal bribery statute here? Why continue to treat Putin like a stand up guy and ignore the corruption everywhere in his circle. It’s a sham. This idea that Donald Trump is concerned about corruption. He believed a baseless conspiracy theory pushed by Russia because it helped him and he was willing to push a sham investigation on the son of his likely rival in exchange for aid. That’s abuse of power. And I challenge any of Trump’s apologists to tell me that they would be okay if Obama had conditioned Ukrainian aid on investigating Romney’s sons. They wouldn’t be and the scumbags know it.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:49:24am

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:50:42am

re: #5 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Nothing makes sense anymore. I don’t know how the hell Joe Rogan who until a few years ago was famous as a guy who hosted a show where people ate bugs became influential. And I think that’s what bothers me about where we are. There are a lot of those who have influence who don’t have a fucking clue what they’re talking about.

If you have a megaphone you have influence
If you can buy a megaphone you have influence……

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:54:06am

re: #20 Belafon

According to the NPR article, he got further pissed when she pointed where Ukraine was on the map.

As if a reporter wouldn’t be prepared

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:55:36am

re: #110 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s this fantasy that Trump was concerned about corruption that matters here IMO. If Trump was concerned about corruption, why try to weaken the federal bribery statute here? Why continue to treat Putin like a stand up guy and ignore the corruption everywhere in his circle. It’s a sham. This idea that Donald Trump is concerned about corruption. He believed a baseless conspiracy theory pushed by Russia because it helped him and he was willing to push a sham investigation on the son of his likely rival in exchange for aid. That’s abuse of power. And I challenge any of Trump’s apologists to tell me that they would be okay if Obama had conditioned Ukrainian aid on investigating Romney’s sons. They wouldn’t be and the scumbags know it.

The entire Trump Administration has been hypocrisy of this sort. By the media as well.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:55:44am

re: #24 Dread Pirate

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This is why she’s suing Clinton.
In prep for her next gig as a fox host

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 5:57:10am

re: #29 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They were outraged that Nadler suggested they were covering up for Trump too but he was right. Graham even admitted it. They really think Trump did nothing wrong and I hope it results in a lot of unemployed Republicans getting to watch a lot of Trump and their work be undone.

They know
And they know we know

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:00:58am

re: #114 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

The entire Trump Administration has been hypocrisy of this sort. By the media as well.

From the minute he opened up his campaign declaring Mexico wasn’t sending their best, the media should have attacked this bullshit slander of millions of people who have come here for a better life and also brought up that Trump has no problem employing undocumented immigrants at his businesses but I guess the raging assholes in the diners matterdd more.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:02:09am

re: #115 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

This is why she’s suing Clinton.
In prep for her next gig as a fox host

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I wouldn’t mind a DNC ad if she tries to run spoiler pointing out some of her very decidedly not liberal views.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:03:49am

re: #99 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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jeffreyw  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:07:08am

The jay’s feet hurt but he couldn’t complain to the woodpecker who had no legs.

Good morning!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:07:56am

In an update of Wuhan Virus news, I just read this, which - to be blunt - doesn’t sound all that good.

Chinese President Xi Jinping has held a special government meeting on the Lunar New Year public holiday to warn that the spread of a deadly new virus is “accelerating”.

The country is facing a “grave situation” Mr Xi told senior officials, according to state television.

The coronavirus has killed at least 41 people and infected almost 1,300 since its discovery in the city of Wuhan.

Travel restrictions have already hit several affected cities.

And from Sunday, private vehicles will be banned from the central districts of Wuhan, the source of the outbreak.

bbc.com

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Mike Lamb  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:12:35am

re: #102 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m glad you brought up the EOs. I really think Sanders will struggle to pass legislation as President and it’s exhausting getting talked down to people. It’s like they have no idea how hard ACA was to first pass and then uphold in court. I might have more optimism if Sanders has more skill at passing legislation but it’s actually a great weakness of his.

Forget ACA, consider that Trump’s only legislative accomplishment of note, despite having a Congressional majority chalk full of crazies, was the tax scam. Now, part of that was having a wholly incompetent speaker, but still. Any changes will be of the incremental variety, and Sanders “I’ll pass legislation because Revolution!!” Is a fucking joke.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:15:40am

re: #122 Mike Lamb

Forget ACA, consider that Trump’s only legislative accomplishment of note, despite having a Congressional majority chalk full of crazies, was the tax scam. Now, part of that was having a wholly incompetent speaker, but still. Any changes will be of the incremental variety, and Sanders “I’ll pass legislation because Revolution!!” Is a fucking joke.

It’s infuriating to those of us who actually paid attention in civics class.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:22:58am

re: #117 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

From the minute he opened up his campaign declaring Mexico wasn’t sending their best, the media should have attacked this bullshit slander of millions of people who have come here for a better life and also brought up that Trump has no problem employing undocumented immigrants at his businesses but I guess the raging assholes in the diners matterdd more.

The media forgot their role.

Instead they saw a reality show they didn’t have to produce, just transcribe.
And the huge payday (ratings) would bring them

Now theyve realized they can’t cancel it

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:25:20am

re: #122 Mike Lamb

Forget ACA, consider that Trump’s only legislative accomplishment of note, despite having a Congressional majority chalk full of crazies, was the tax scam. Now, part of that was having a wholly incompetent speaker, but still. Any changes will be of the incremental variety, and Sanders “I’ll pass legislation because Revolution!!” Is a fucking joke.

Trump didn’t drive the tax cut
Ie create promote shepherd

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sagehen  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:36:39am

re: #125 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Trump didn’t drive the tax cut
Ie create promote shepherd

very true; that tax bill was entirely Paul Ryan’s baby.
And the judges are McConnell’s doing.

Republicans who want to credit Trump for either of those… I guarantee you President Pence would do exactly the same, you don’t need Trump for those. And President Pence would do much better on foreign policy.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:39:53am
And no, I’m not just trying to pump the value of the 4 paintings and 2 small bronzes my family owns of his.
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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:41:06am

re: #126 sagehen

very true; that tax bill was entirely Paul Ryan’s baby.
And the judges are McConnell’s doing.

Republicans who want to credit Trump for either of those… I guarantee you President Pence would do exactly the same, you don’t need Trump for those. And President Pence would do much better on foreign policy.

Trump didn’t come in with a legislative agenda or governing philosophy.
He doesn’t have one
He barely knows why hes sitting there

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:43:00am

re: #128 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Trump didn’t come in with a legislative agenda or governing philosophy.
He doesn’t have one
He barely knows why hes sitting there

His governing philosophy is lining the pockets of himself, his family, and his cronies. Beyond that it’s self-aggrandizing.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:43:01am

re: #128 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Trump didn’t come in with a legislative agenda or governing philosophy.
He doesn’t have one
He barely knows why hes sitting there

If he has one, it’s “I’m the boss here.” He is ignorant about the other branches.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:43:30am

re: #129 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

His governing philosophy is lining the pockets of himself, his family, and his cronies. Beyond that it’s self-aggrandizing.

That too. Self enrichment and thinking he’s the absolute boss.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:52:13am

I really think he sees people like Putin and their power and wishes he had it here. Likewise he thinks those with limited power are weak. And he’s enabled by a bunch of assholes who enable him for his and their own ends.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:52:26am

The baby is awake and has a full diaper.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:56:13am

Note that Schiff has been so effective he gets three adjectives and a nickname.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 6:59:45am

re: #133 jaunte

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The baby is awake and has a full diaper.

Yep. re: #133 jaunte

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The baby is awake and has a full diaper.

I really want to see him in handcuffs being led to federal prison.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:03:54am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Animated Knots (a Website which animates the tying of those and other knots, so you can see the steps in creating them)

Don Knotts always had me in stitches.

I know, lame.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:04:46am

re: #135 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep.

I really want to see him in handcuffs being led to federal prison.

With a full diaper.

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danarchy  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:09:38am

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I promised I wouldn’t post tweets here any more, but this one needed calling out.

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Joe Rogan gets nowhere near two hundred million views a month.
socialblade.com

So that looks like it is about 85 million from youtube. How many downloads does he get from itunes, stitcher, or even his podcast website. Although views may be the wrong word since those are audio only.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:10:23am

Senate clown show begins this morning.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:10:47am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:10:54am

re: #139 Amory Blaine

Senate clown show begins this morning.

Wow. Congress working on a Saturday.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:11:55am

Pat Cippolone plays #11, undo the election.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:13:48am

re: #142 jaunte

Pat Cippolone plays #11, undo the election.

If that was the case, we would be impeaching Pence too and an impeachment inquiry would started immediately last January. This is a poor argument and only really acceptable to Trump true believers.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:14:43am

re: #140 jaunte

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Before the end of the day the “defense” team will call the Bidens and Hillary Clinton criminals and insinuate that they should be arrested and prosecuted.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:15:21am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:16:27am

re: #145 jaunte

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Your honor, the prosecution wants to find my client guilty, this isn’t fair!

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:16:57am
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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:17:22am

Commie comfortable playing footsie with Strasserites because he’s sure they’re false consciousness and will always fall to Hitlerites, who will always be overthrown by Communists:

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:17:53am

watched cipollone for about 30 seconds

nope. not gonna

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:18:41am

re: #149 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Haven’t even bothered to turn it on, and not gonna.
Not for one second.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:19:12am

re: #149 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

watched cipollone for about 30 seconds

nope. not gonna

He started with the whole bs that this is about overturning 2016. Horseshit defense, I’m sure his client crafted it.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:19:29am
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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:20:43am

re: #140 jaunte

Had to post that on my FB. That will rile ‘em up.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:21:54am

Here we go #12, Schiff is a liar.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:21:57am

re: #149 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

re: #150 Ace Rothstein

I am watching my collection of TV shows and movies. At 1:00 PM my local PBS station WHYY will start to show the Saturday afternoon cooking shows. :)

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:24:30am

Did anyone else watch Picard?

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:24:41am

Umberto Eco: the 14 typical elements of “Ur-Fascism or Eternal Fascism:

4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture, the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
faena.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:24:43am

I really think Trump is so angry because he really thinks he’s above the law and he’s had tons of enablers mostly on FNC telling him he is just that and that anyone who ever worked in the Obama administration is a spy out to get him.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:25:06am

OT: traveling today. Took a 5mg edible before takeoff at about 7am. Was blissing out until the guy next to me got to his 3rd Jack and Coke and wanted to talk. Oh well. Now in connecting airport and the tv is turned to ESPN, thank god.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:25:17am

re: #115 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

This is why she’s suing Clinton.
In prep for her next gig as a fox host

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So when is TOOLSI going to dye her hair blonde?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:25:20am

re: #157 jaunte

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Umberto Eco: the 14 typical elements of “Ur-Fascism or Eternal Fascism:

Take it up with the Founders, Pat.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:25:49am

re: #159 Barefoot Grin

OT: traveling today. Took a 5mg edible before takeoff at about 7am. Was blissing out until the guy next to me got to his 3rd Jack and Coke and wanted to talk. Oh well. Now in connecting airport and the tv is turned to ESPN, thank god.

Consider another 5mg.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:25:52am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:26:31am

re: #144 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Before the end of the day the “defense” team will call the Bidens and Hillary Clinton criminals and insinuate that they should be arrested and prosecuted.

Hey, they’ll call for Obama and Michelle to get locked up, too!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:28:39am

re: #163 jaunte

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But no quid pro quo.//

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:28:47am

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

Consider another 5mg.

I decided to leave it in the car in the airport parking lot; didn’t want to take any chances.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:29:01am

re: #157 jaunte

“He is your king.” Oy Vey. I thought we were citizens not subjects.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:31:33am

re: #157 jaunte

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Umberto Eco: the 14 typical elements of “Ur-Fascism or Eternal Fascism:

And this is before we consider that whenever a DEM is president and loses the House or Senate at midterm, that’s the people speaking and it becomes their responsibility to be a rubber stamp for anything the Republican-led house initiates that passes the other.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:32:52am

I refuse to watch or listen to the Senate Shitshow.

I’ll spend the day playing chess, bridge and Go on the internet and listen to Sinatra on SiriusXM.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:38:15am

re: #169 Joe Bacon 🌹

I refuse to watch or listen to the Senate Shitshow.

I’ll spend the day playing chess, bridge and Go on the internet and listen to Sinatra on SiriusXM.

im gonna take the cat to the vet
a far more enriching experience

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:38:29am

re: #35 Hecuba’s daughter

According to an article in the Los Angeles Times, the coronavirus may be no more deadly than the seasonal flu — and that it’s premature to panic, since it’s not a Hollywood movie. They need to gather more information to determine how dangerous it really is.

So, for now, we can focus on the real danger to this nation — Trump and his GOP.

Maybe we really are living in the first scene from Contagion: theguardian.com

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:39:52am

re: #168 Chrysicat

The way I see it, the next several Dem presidents, if lucky, will have only 2 years of their first term to accomplish anything on their agenda before the House and/or Senate flip to the other side. I don’t even think this Trump clusterfuck has been enough to motivate many people for the long-term. I’ve never wanted to be more wrong about something in my life.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:40:14am

re: #171 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe we really are living in the first scene from Contagion: theguardian.com

Better Robin Cook than Crichton, though, right?

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:45:10am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:47:00am

re: #160 Joe Bacon 🌹

So when is TOOLSI going to dye her hair blonde?

Not an absolute requirement. Jeanine doesn’t.

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:47:29am

Went out to feed this morning, and the snow was full of coyote tracks. My, my. (In addition to raccoon and possum, of course.)

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:48:53am

re: #175 Hecuba’s daughter

The only requirement is to get drunk and hunt for Hillary in the woods late at night.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:50:57am
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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:51:06am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:56:37am

re: #179 jaunte

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Exactly. Why was the aid conditioned on the “favor”? Why was the word of a corrupt former prosecutor taken more seriously than our own ambassador? If you really think Trump cared about corruption, I’m sorry but it’s moronic as hell and against everything he’s said and done. Fact is Trump took advantage of an idealistic president elect who wanted to defend his country. And he did it to secure his own re-election.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 7:56:54am
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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:01:29am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:02:03am

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly. Why was the aid conditioned on the “favor”? Why was the word of a corrupt former prosecutor taken more seriously than our own ambassador? If you really think Trump cared about corruption, I’m sorry but it’s moronic as hell and against everything he’s said and done. Fact is Trump took advantage of an idealistic president elect who wanted to defend his country. And he did it to secure his own re-election.

As Nancy said, “All roads lead to Putin”. Trump may have no ideology but everything he does in FP is at the behest of Putin (or MBS). He is the ultimate tool, easily manipulated by others and clearly owned by the Russian dictator.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:03:11am

Waiting for the Trump defense to say “He didn’t say, ‘Heads on a pike’. He said ‘Heads on a pole’. And the impeachment managers have blown this statement way out of proportion since Hunter Biden told them to do so to slander the President!”
///

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:04:56am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:06:10am

re: #183 Hecuba’s daughter

As Nancy said, “All roads lead to Putin”. Trump may have no ideology but everything he does in FP is at the behest of Putin (or MBS). He is the ultimate tool, easily manipulated by others and clearly owned by the Russian dictator.

When I ask why like that, I’m asking the president’s defenders abstractly. They have no valid answers. Hell today they’re even whining that the impeachment managers didn’t defend Trump enough. This furthers my belief that Trump sees Congress as a subordinate branch.my personal belief is yeah his entire FP is for Putin’s benefit. His FP has strengthened tyrants at the expense of democrats.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:06:40am

So, no penalty for lying to the Senate If You’re A Republican.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:08:00am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:08:07am

re: #185 jaunte

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Then Jay can explain nicely why Rudy has any credibility when it comes to Ukrainian relations. He doesn’t.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:09:11am

re: #189 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This defense is the Impeachment Trial version of playing chess with a pigeon.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:09:11am

re: #13 danarchy

Bail is requested by the prosecutors, so it often falls on his or her discretion. The prosecutors can adjust their policies to only seek bail in cases where the public risk is great - like armed robberies, assaults, rapes, homicides, etc., but petty theft and other lesser crimes don’t get cash bail.

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mmmirele  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:09:45am

YouTube’s algorithm recommends a video by a three-piece Japanese metal band. Yes, why yes, I did need this to start a Saturday sure to be brimming full of shit arguments.

NINGEN ISU / Heartless Scat(人間椅子 / 無情のスキャット)

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:10:22am

re: #187 jaunte

So, no penalty for lying to the Senate If You’re A Republican.

That is just a pisser. Kangaroo exoneration.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:10:26am

re: #188 jaunte

This is what a law degree from Trump University gets you.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:10:27am

re: #185 jaunte

Just a day after Trump said that he trusted the intel community that foreign powers interfered in our elections, his lawyers are arguing that they can’t be trusted.

The only ones who can’t be trusted in all this is Trumpworld. All they do is lie, and the facts all point to Trump and his felony conduct.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:10:59am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:12:06am

re: #187 jaunte

So, no penalty for lying to the Senate If You’re A Republican.

IANAL so my question — Is there any penalty for a defense attorney to outright lie in a court? Can they be disbarred for lying before the Senate, or do different rules apply here? Do these attorneys have to take an oath to tell the truth before arguing before the Senate?

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:13:08am
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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:14:39am

re: #197 Hecuba’s daughter

I saw Klobuchar say on Rachael “he has to be heard” granting a weird immunity from the truth normally required in any kind of trial. UFB.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:15:41am

re: #197 Hecuba’s daughter

Not sure if this applies to a concocted impeachment defense, but:

“…If you are testifying in front of Congress sometime soon, and are wondering how far you can bend the truth, there are a two key statutes governing perjury you need to be aware of: U.S. Code sections 1621 and 1001 of Title 18.

Section 1621 covers general perjury, and stipulates that anyone who “willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true” is guilty of perjury and shall be fined or imprisoned up to five years, or both. Section 1001 covers false statements more generally, without requiring an oath. The section stipulates that “whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the government of the United States, knowingly and willfully” falsifies or conceals information, including before a congressional committee’s inquiry, may also be fined or imprisoned up to five years. “
cnbc.com

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:15:43am

re: #198 Ace Rothstein

NPR=No Patience for Republicans
As it should be these days.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:16:37am

re: #198 Ace Rothstein

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Poor snowflake doesn’t like tough questions. Pompeo is a coward.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:17:46am

re: #194 Ace Rothstein

This is what a law degree from Trump University gets you.

He got his bachelors at Prager.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:20:39am
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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:23:11am
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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:24:41am
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Mike Lamb  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:27:41am

re: #198 Ace Rothstein

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My wife agreed that our domestic abuse would be off the record!

Seriously, fuck Pompeo. Berate someone in “private” and the deal is off motherfucker.

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:27:49am

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:29:10am

re: #207 Mike Lamb

I got fifty bucks that says there was never any deal to begin with.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:29:21am

re: #208 retired cynic

Yes. That is it.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:29:22am

Oops.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:31:07am

re: #211 jaunte

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Oops.

He’s innocent, he says so!
Ok, got witnesses? got evidence?
This is a witch hunt!
Your honor, I ask for a whiskey recess.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:33:23am

Has Roberts done anything? Anything?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:36:46am

Regarding testifying before Congress: Trump has made it amply clear that he pardons those who commit perjury. So, given that his administration is totally corrupt, the witnesses will have no problem in lying for him. After all, Senate Republicans lie on a daily basis for Trump, without suffering any consequences. Wait, they lied on a daily basis before Trump too.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:37:16am
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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:37:43am

re: #198 Ace Rothstein

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I said last night that I expected a denial, as I honestly didn’t expect Mike to admit the episode happened. And I really didn’t expect he’d try to double down by claiming that what was revealed was “off the record,” before finishing with an utterly petty bit about Ukraine and Bangladesh that insults the intelligence of everybody not named “Mike Pompeo.”

If I didn’t know better, I’d swear that Donny wrote this.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:40:26am

re: #216 Targetpractice

I said last night that I expected a denial, as I honestly didn’t expect Mike to admit the episode happened. And I really didn’t expect he’d try to double down by claiming that what was revealed was “off the record,” before finishing with an utterly petty bit about Ukraine and Bangladesh that insults the intelligence of everybody not named “Mike Pompeo.”

If I didn’t know better, I’d swear that Donny wrote this.

The longer they stay with him, the more like him they sound. Trump’s GOP successors are going to try to sound the most Trump like as possible.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:42:43am

I was struck by an obituary today of a former Illinois Republican Congressman who voted for impeachment hearings against Nixon. He hated doing it but he had seen the evidence. If there’s a constant in this madness, it’s the complete cowardice of the Congressional GOP when it comes to Trump.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:48:01am
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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:48:30am

re: #218 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Tom Railsback formed the basis of Adam Schiff’s closing last night.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:49:29am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:49:38am

re: #220 retired cynic

Tom Railsback formed the basis of Adam Schiff’s closing last night.

Yep. Seems like he was a good man.

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:50:35am

The Rude Pundit:

“You want to overturn the 2016 election”? That ship has sailed. But you know which ship is still in port? The fucking 2018 election. You know what happened there? Republicans got reamed out in the House of Representatives. You know why? Because Americans wanted to see Donald Trump impeached. I’ve said it before: The message of 2018 was to go after the dumb orange motherfucker in the White House.

So, no, dicks, we’re not overturning the 2016 election. We’re honoring the results of the 2018 one. You got a problem with that shit? Take it up with Alexander Hamilton. Amend the Constitution. Otherwise, suck on Article 1.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:51:25am

re: #221 jaunte

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Let me guess, they’re on again about the idea that the House had an “obligation” to fight things in the courts until the bitter end, even though the DOJ is demanding the courts stay out of this because it goes against the Constitution for them to get involved in a turf war between the WH and Congress.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:51:34am

re: #221 jaunte

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Maybe if they said please with a cherry on top.// Seriously I’m sick of these bastards insulting the American people’s intelligence with this shit.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:51:56am

Barb McQuade has put her finger on the exact reason Trump mentally failed to make the transition from self-interested businessman to President.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:52:24am

re: #224 Targetpractice

Let me guess, they’re on again about the idea that the House had an “obligation” to fight things in the courts until the bitter end, even though the DOJ is demanding the courts stay out of this because it goes against the Constitution for them to get involved in a turf war between the WH and Congress.

We present the legal doctrine of heads I win, tails you lose.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:53:25am

re: #226 jaunte

Barb McQuade has put her finger on the exact reason Trump mentally failed to make the transition from self-interested businessman to President.

He hasn’t acted presidential one day. And honesty it’s on the Republican voters for nominating him for President because they couldn’t accept Obama.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:53:31am
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Broad With Sass  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:54:29am

re: #156 Rightwingconspirator

YEs And at the end I was screaming I want more NOW

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:54:32am

re: #223 retired cynic

The Rude Pundit:

Read the goddamn constitution instead of watching FNC fellate Trump.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:54:44am

re: #229 jaunte

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There was really no way for Trump’s team to offer a defense without in some way opening the door for additional witnesses/documents. Why? Because they have neither to offer up as evidence to bolster their case.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:55:06am

re: #229 jaunte

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But only our witnesses!

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:55:56am

Schiff Closes With a “Love Letter to Truth and Democracy”
His speech will go down in history as proof that we stood up to the assault on what is right and true.
by Nancy LeTourneau

Includes an embedded video of Schiff’s closing argument, for those who missed it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:56:37am

re: #232 Targetpractice

There was really no way for Trump’s team to offer a defense without in some way opening the door for additional witnesses/documents. Why? Because they have neither to offer up as evidence to bolster their case.

They just have Trump claiming the call was perfect and they claim they cooperated. Do that in a murder trial and see what happens to your case.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:56:39am

— Manksy (@TheManksy) January 25, 2020

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2020 • 8:57:13am

re: #234 retired cynic

Reload for Washington Monthly link properly given.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:00:47am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:01:47am

re: #238 jaunte

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Nope because we all see his tweets and crying on FNC.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:01:50am

re: #238 jaunte

If DT is selling it I am not buying anything from him.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:02:49am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:03:03am

re: #240 PhillyPretzel

If DT is selling it I am not buying anything from him.

How this conman got sold as a straight arrow amazes me. His whole campaign was a lie.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:03:45am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:04:04am

re: #241 jaunte

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Exactly. Provide witnesses and evidence that clears Trump. Otherwise stfu about how unfair this is.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:04:56am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:05:03am

re: #243 jaunte

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FNC will of course present Jay, Pat, & others as modern day Clarence Darrows.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:06:49am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:08:09am

Friend noting that FAUX muted Democrats when they were presenting their case but PRAISE JAY-ZUSS they ain’t pressin’ no mute button when the asshole Republicans are presenting their case…that only has 4 bottles in it…

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:09:12am

re: #247 jaunte

That is a good one. It is a pity that Terry Gross is not asking the questions of DT. I would pay for a yearly PBS membership to see that.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:12:55am

re: #242 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

How this conman got sold as a straight arrow amazes me. His whole campaign was a lie.

Three Reasons:

1) A large swath of America has been convinced that assholery is a sign of being genuine, that any kind of politeness or professionalism is automatically fake and therefore being a gigantic douche is somehow more ‘real’.

2) Similarly, A large swath of America has been convinced that xenophobia and bigotry are rather ‘inconvenient truths’ and that open willingness to be a bigot, boor, misogynist, etc. is a sign of ‘realness’, that the more you hate, the more true you are and more valid you are.

3) The Magic (R) abides. Anything a Republican says is automatically treated as true and valid even after being debunked, and anything a Democrat says is automatically treated as suspect and the most pernicious of lies, usually even after being proven in triplicate.

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lizardofid  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:13:05am

re: #247 jaunte

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I found if you turn down the sound, and start Dark Side of the Moon right at the beginning, it doesn’t really time up in anyway, but it’s a cool way to kill about 42:30!

Oh, hello everyone!

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:14:28am

re: #248 Joe Bacon 🌹

Friend noting that FAUX muted Democrats when they were presenting their case but PRAISE JAY-ZUSS they ain’t pressin’ no mute button when the asshole Republicans are presenting their case…that only has 4 bottles in it…

I was honestly about to ask if anybody had tuned over to Faux to see if they’d dropped their “DON’T WATCH, IT’S TOTALLY BORING!!!” act.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:15:03am

re: #250 Citizen K

And Trump raced to the bottom and out-assholed such people as Ted Cruz.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:17:40am

Something to watch. Neiwert taking the basis of Bernie’s ‘Economics > Race’ stance, thread in progress.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:17:49am

re: #250 Citizen K

Three Reasons:

1) A large swath of America has been convinced that assholery is a sign of being genuine, that any kind of politeness or professionalism is automatically fake and therefore being a gigantic douche is somehow more ‘real’.

2) Similarly, A large swath of America has been convinced that xenophobia and bigotry are rather ‘inconvenient truths’ and that open willingness to be a bigot, boor, misogynist, etc. is a sign of ‘realness’, that the more you hate, the more true you are and more valid you are.

3) The Magic (R) abides. Anything a Republican says is automatically treated as true and valid even after being debunked, and anything a Democrat says is automatically treated as suspect and the most pernicious of lies, usually even after being proven in triplicate.

Yeah all true. It makes me queasy to think about. I had one of the worst emotional hangovers of my life the next day at work. I was and still am stunned.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:19:15am

re: #242 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

How this conman got sold as a straight arrow amazes me. His whole campaign was a lie.

A reminder: Conmen are successful because they dupe others into believing their false narrative. Trump has been a criminal his entire life and escaped punishment. If there is any example of how broken our justice system is, it’s Trump

Also, would like to suggest that Trump studied Hitler’s speeches back 30 years ago. He kept the book by his bed. Those speeches were very effective in attracting German support to Hitler — and the Trumpian version was even more successful among Americans.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:20:23am

re: #254 Citizen K

Something to watch. Neiwert taking the basis of Bernie’s ‘Economics > Race’ stance, thread in progress.

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I knew that stance was bullshit from living in lily white areas that were racist as hell regardless of the current economic climate.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:20:41am

re: #256 Hecuba’s daughter

A reminder: Conmen are successful because they dupe others into believing their false narrative. Trump has been a criminal his entire life and escaped punishment. If there is any example of how broke our justice system is, it’s Trump

Also, would like to suggest that Trump studied Hitler’s speeches back 30 years ago. He kept the book by his bed. Those speeches were very effective in attracting German support to Hitler — and the Trumpian version was even more successful among Americans.

You don’t need to remind me but here’s what stands out to me. This happened in a time of relative prosperity. Usually a demagogue like this rises in a time like Depression era Germany or something like that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:23:23am

re: #257 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I knew that stance was bullshit from living in lily white areas that were racist as hell regardless of the current economic climate.

They really think that socialism will make people forget racism. It’s so naive. And I don’t like being lectured to by an 80 year old white man who hasn’t done jack shit in the Senate about “identity politics” when he’s falsely made himself out to be the voice of the working class.

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Teukka  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:32:58am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:33:02am

The other problem is Bernie goes out of his way to make excuses for racism. I’m sure Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum who ran excellent campaigns in Georgia and Florida respectively and whom almost would have been the first African-American governors of their respective states just loved hearing Bernie who knows nothing about Southern white culture express boldly about how not everyone who voted against them was racist even if they were “uncomfortable” with voting for a person of color for governor.” If you can’t stand the thought of a person of color being your governor, than yeah you’re a fucking racist. And while I don’t know to call Bernie a racist, I definitely will say here that I think Bernie is ignorant as shit about racism and its relationship to economics.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:36:07am

re: #261 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The other problem is Bernie goes out of his way to make excuses for racism. I’m sure Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum who ran excellent campaigns in Georgia and Florida respectively and whom almost would have been the first African-American governors of their respective states just loved hearing Bernie who knows nothing about Southern white culture express boldly about how not everyone who voted against them was racist even if they were “uncomfortable” with voting for a person of color for governor.” If you can’t stand the thought of a person of color being your governor, than yeah you’re a fucking racist. And while I don’t know to call Bernie a racist, I definitely will say here that I think Bernie is ignorant as shit about racism and its relationship to economics.

I’m personally expecting Bernie to repeat his ‘16 face-plant performance in the South, followed by a lot of excuse-making from him and the Berners about how the South is “more conservative” and thus he never really had a chance there.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:38:27am

=re: #262 Targetpractice

I’m personally expecting Bernie to repeat his ‘16 face-plant performance in the South, followed by a lot of excuse-making from him and the Berners about how the South is “more conservative” and thus he never really had a chance there.

I wanted to smack him after he said that and then patted himself on the back for winning equally Republican states in the midwest. Not to mention that he got clobbered here and we’re not exactly a red state. He just doesn’t know how to communicate to a diverse electorate and if we’re stupid enough to nominate him, it will be as clear as day to his ignorant supporters who think he’s a genius.

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:47:52am

re: #254 Citizen K

Something to watch. Neiwert taking the basis of Bernie’s ‘Economics > Race’ stance, thread in progress.

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Excellent thread! All D candidates should have it beaten into their brains.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:50:17am

re: #263 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

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I wanted to smack him after he said that and then patted himself on the back for winning equally Republican states in the midwest. Not to mention that he got clobbered here and we’re not exactly a red state. He just doesn’t know how to communicate to a diverse electorate and if we’re stupid enough to nominate him, it will be as clear as day to his ignorant supporters who think he’s a genius.

Biggest issue with Bernie’s message is it’s a reflection of his lily-white surroundings, where racism isn’t as much a problem because minorities are an endangered species. An environment where the divide is less along racial lines and more along economic ones, so that he can genuinely believe that racism is cured if you just get everybody on the same level. And he finds a more ready audience in white folks from similar environments, such as the Midwest where the white folks outnumber the minorities, but are themselves outnumbered by the livestock.

The man truly is the living embodiment of the “Coastal Elite,” the idea that if you just throw enough money around, people’s problems disappear and everybody puts their differences aside.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:54:58am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:55:56am

re: #265 Targetpractice

Biggest issue with Bernie’s message is it’s a reflection of his lily-white surroundings, where racism isn’t as much a problem because minorities are an endangered species. An environment where the divide is less along racial lines and more along economic ones, so that he can genuinely believe that racism is cured if you just get everybody on the same level. And he finds a more ready audience in white folks from similar environments, such as the Midwest where the white folks outnumber the minorities, but are themselves outnumbered by the livestock.

The man truly is the living embodiment of the “Coastal Elite,” the idea that if you just throw enough money around, people’s problems disappear and everybody puts their differences aside.

Exactly. He’s been in Vermont the past nearly 50 years and Vermont has less minorities than Fairfax County does. I’m not dishing on Vermont but being in Vermont definitely skews his views of race and class. And it was a totally condescending for him as an old white man to tell a Hispanic young woman that she shouldn’t want to be the first Hispanic this or that. He should know better than that shit. If he were to sell economic reform while acknowledging that economic reform efforts have been hurt by prejudice including by working class whites, maybe Bernie doesn’t know or care about this but the Nixon administration definitely planned to exploit the fact that the Philadelphia construction workers unions wouldn’t hire African-Americans.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:56:09am

re: #266 jaunte

The whole thing is absurd.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:56:45am

Party Of The Lie

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BigPapa  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:57:51am

re: #267 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This is specifically why he is not a coalition candidate. His support rides on fanatacism.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 9:58:25am

re: #244 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly. Provide witnesses and evidence that clears Trump. Otherwise stfu about how unfair this is.

He did it all but the Dems didn’t follow “procedure” so we can’t convict is gonna be a hell of a legacy

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:00:57am

re: #270 BigPapa

This is specifically why he is not a coalition candidate. His support rides on fanatacism.

He attacked the coalition of the first Democratic President since FDR to get 50% of the vote in two presidential elections. I was proud to vote for Obama twice. Do I have some disappointments? Sure, I do but I also remember that Obama fought for me by fighting for the pre-existing conditions ban and helped restore international confidence in our country after the Bush years.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:02:21am

re: #271 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

He did it all but the Dems didn’t follow “procedure” so we can’t convict is gonna be a hell of a legacy

Arguing procedure is what you do during pre-trial hearings, when you’re working to get a case dismissed, or in the appeals courts when you’re trying to get a negative ruling overturned. Offering it up during the trial itself never impresses anybody and just makes your client look more guilty that he’s trying to whine about the way in which he’s being tried than the facts of the prosecution’s case.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:05:28am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:06:49am

re: #273 Targetpractice

Arguing procedure is what you do during pre-trial hearings, when you’re working to get a case dismissed, or in the appeals courts when you’re trying to get a negative ruling overturned. Offering it up during the trial itself never impresses anybody and just makes your client look more guilty that he’s trying to whine about the way in which he’s being tried than the facts of the prosecution’s case.

They can’t even offer any precedent of this kind of behavior not negatively impacting a President. They just make outlandish claims like “Well Obama cut aid to Egypt.” Yeah he did. He A) didn’t hide it, B( was done in a bipartisan way), and C) most importantly wasn’t done in exchange for dirt on a domestic rival. And then you’ve got scumbags like Senator Blackburn who so want to be on Trump’s good side that they claim outlandishly that Colonel Vindman was attacking America in his testimony. How dare she fucking do that to a man who has served his adoptive country with honor and distinction while she does it for the benefit of a man who just a few days ago dismissed the injuries both physical and psychological of the aftermath of the Iranian response ot Solemaini’s assassination. And then to also claim that the Democrats were defending him. Trump’s created a political cult and he’s been aided by Republicans in and out of Washington who are too cowardly to call him out because they know that their whole ideology is a shit show and at the top of it is Trump.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:07:44am

Graham, who voted against having witnesses in the impeachment trial, now is demanding at least one witness in the impeachment trial: Joe Biden.”

“In an interview with Sean Hannity, Graham said he was ready to leave the United States if Biden isn’t investigated. ‘We’re not going to live in that country!’ Graham proclaimed

Here’s the thing

The r’s can do this
They’re in control
They can call Biden
And no one else
If they want to
They don’t need consent approval or Dem agreement
There is no stopping it

So why aren’t they?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:09:48am

re: #276 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Graham, who voted against having witnesses in the impeachment trial, now is demanding at least one witness in the impeachment trial: Joe Biden.”

Here’s the thing

The r’s can do this
They’re in control
They can call Biden
And no one else
If they want to
They don’t need consent approval or Dem agreement
There is no stopping it

So why aren’t they?

Exactly, they could potentially call Hunter any moment they want to but they know that if Hunter testified, there would be pressure for witnesses that Trump doesn’t want to testify. Graham is really showing why he’ll go down in the annals of history as a treacherous prick who chose Trump’s interests over the nation’s.

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:12:11am

I found this just a really uplifting, joyful read today. WaPo: Coco Gauff’s grandmother has her own remarkable story to tell

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BigPapa  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:12:35am

I sorta kinda admit I want the Bidens to be in the Senate trail because it would blow up on the Banana Republicans like everything else they do. They’ll have Hunter try on the Burisma Gloves.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:12:49am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:14:02am

re: #280 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Well, he just blew that “Be best” thing all to hell, didn’t he?

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:17:05am

re: #279 BigPapa

I sorta kinda admit I want the Bidens to be in the Senate trail because it would blow up on the Banana Republicans like everything else they do. They’ll have Hunter try on the Burisma Gloves.

Yeah I really think that with the right preparation and strategy that the Bidens could absolutely own these clowns, but it’s still a risk.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:17:53am
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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:18:09am

Pompeo needs to learn if you’re whining you’re not winning

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:19:47am

re: #283 jaunte

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Psst Joe, who has kept them from testifying.

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:20:02am

re: #277 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly, they could potentially call Hunter any moment they want to but they know that if Hunter testified, there would be pressure for witnesses that Trump doesn’t want to testify. Graham is really showing why he’ll go down in the annals of history as a treacherous prick who chose Trump’s interests over the nation’s.

Pressure from r’s or D’s?
cause in the limit they can just ignore the D’s.
And Mitch has a way of whipping the rs senseless

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:21:32am

re: #276 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Graham, who voted against having witnesses in the impeachment trial, now is demanding at least one witness in the impeachment trial: Joe Biden.”

Here’s the thing

The r’s can do this
They’re in control
They can call Biden
And no one else
If they want to
They don’t need consent approval or Dem agreement
There is no stopping it

So why aren’t they?

Besides the obvious that allowing one witness would mean allowing all witnesses? Well, you know how abusers will excuse their behavior by insisting that if their victim really didn’t want to be abused, then they could leave at any time and staying = consent? Yeah, that’s the GOP in a nutshell, they need the Dems to “consent” to their abusive behavior, if only so they have the excuse to sell to voters that it was a “bipartisan” move.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:22:55am

re: #285 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He just gave Manu Raju a quote that can’t be used on Fox.

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makeitstop  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:23:12am

re: #248 Joe Bacon 🌹

Friend noting that FAUX muted Democrats when they were presenting their case but PRAISE JAY-ZUSS they ain’t pressin’ no mute button when the asshole Republicans are presenting their case…that only has 4 bottles in it…

I played a gig last night at an Italian restaurant that had Fox News on the bar TV. Besides being 110% creeped out by even having to watch it, I noticed that the closing arguments were not even part of their regular programming.

They did show parts of it, though. During commercial breaks. Muted, on a split screen. With text at the bottom saying to go to FoxNews dot com for updates.

I figured throwing my beer glass at the TV would be bad for business, so I just took my beer and went and hung out on the stage.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:23:29am

I seem to remember Richard Mourdock the jackass who said a pregnancy from a rape was a gift also saying his idea of bipartisanship was Democrat’s doing what Republicans want.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:24:03am

re: #288 jaunte

He just gave Manu Raju a quote that can’t be used on Fox.

True true.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:25:02am

re: #291 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well, they could just use the “good job” part and cut it.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:25:33am

“Even Democrats say the President’s defense team did a good job!”

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makeitstop  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:26:31am

re: #276 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Graham, who voted against having witnesses in the impeachment trial, now is demanding at least one witness in the impeachment trial: Joe Biden.”

Here’s the thing

The r’s can do this
They’re in control
They can call Biden
And no one else
If they want to
They don’t need consent approval or Dem agreement
There is no stopping it

So why aren’t they?

I get the feeling that Biden would pick their lawyers to bits, and he’d answer their questions with information that none of them want to be heard in public.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:27:20am

re: #284 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Pompeo needs to learn if you’re whining you’re not winning

Also it looks really fucking bad because he’s obviously lying about every single aspect of that interaction. For instance, ignoring for a moment the absolutely horrid childish bullying bullshit stunt aspect of demanding she point to Ukraine, there’s no goddamned way in hell a foreign policy reporter pointed at Bangladesh in that moment.

How in the pluperfect fuck does Mike Pompeo think this pathetic fucking confabulated shitfit makes him look good?

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:27:45am

George T Conway III has a good point in WaPo: There’s a critical witness impeachment is missing

The reason the Rs can’t have witnesses, especially Biden, is because it opens the door to calling DT.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:28:56am

re: #296 retired cynic

George T Conway III has a good point in WaPo: There’s a critical witness impeachment is missing

The reason the Rs can’t have witnesses, especially Biden, is because it opens the door to calling DT.

Trump as a witness. Oh boy. I might actually eat popcorn if that happened anc I hate popcorn.

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makeitstop  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:31:04am

re: #295 goddamnedfrank

Also it looks really fucking bad because he’s obviously lying about every single aspect of that interaction. For instance, ignoring for a moment the absolutely horrid childish bullying bullshit stunt aspect of demanding she point to Ukraine, there’s no goddamned way in hell a foreign policy reporter pointed at Bangladesh in that moment.

How in the pluperfect fuck does Mike Pompeo think this pathetic fucking confabulated shitfit makes him look good?

The NPR reporter has a Masters in European Studies from fucking Cambridge. No goddamn way she’s going to mistake Ukraine for Bangladesh. Should picked Romania for his lie, but like everybody else working for Trump, he thinks a grossly outsized lie works better than a plausible one.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:34:03am

re: #298 makeitstop

The NPR reporter has a Masters in European Studies from fucking Cambridge. No goddamn way she’s going to mistake Ukraine for Bangladesh. Should picked Romania for his lie, but like everybody else working for Trump, he thinks a grossly outsized lie works better than a plausible one.

He probably thinks women have smaller brains. It says in his Bible.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:35:12am

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Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:36:58am

re: #295 goddamnedfrank

Also it looks really fucking bad because he’s obviously lying about every single aspect of that interaction. For instance, ignoring for a moment the absolutely horrid childish bullying bullshit stunt aspect of demanding she point to Ukraine, there’s no goddamned way in hell a foreign policy reporter pointed at Bangladesh in that moment.

How in the pluperfect fuck does Mike Pompeo think this pathetic fucking confabulated shitfit makes him look good?

Ladies and gentlemen, the top United States *diplomat*

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:40:48am

re: #289 makeitstop

I played a gig last night at an Italian restaurant that had Fox News on the bar TV. Besides being 110% creeped out by even having to watch it, I noticed that the closing arguments were not even part of their regular programming.

They did show parts of it, though. During commercial breaks. Muted, on a split screen. With text at the bottom saying to go to FoxNews dot com for updates.

I figured throwing my beer glass at the TV would be bad for business, so I just took my beer and went and hung out on the stage.

It’s more complicated than that. I didn’t spend all my time watching Faux, obviously, but I flipped over periodically, and sometimes they were running the Senate feed full screen, and sometimes not. I was unable to say what criteria they used (if any) — some of the parts they did show looked just as damaging as some they didn’t.


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