The Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump, Featuring His Lying Sycophantic Lawyers

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The Trump-thing’s team of crackhead lawyers is presenting their opening lies today. We all know what they’re going to say; they’re going to parrot every conspiracy theory and lie emitted by their Deal Leader, as he ordered them to do.

As I write this, they’re all pretending to pray, and don’t even get me started on what a violation of the Establishment Clause it is to do this in the Senate.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:30:01am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:30:41am
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:31:29am

FUCK TRUMP!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:32:20am
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BigPapa  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:32:38am

I just realized Lying Sychophantic Lawyers rates pretty high on the Band Name Scale.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:32:54am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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Maybe if Lindsay Graham didn’t turn from ardent Trump critic to Trump’s number one fan, not to mention how Trump treats inter party critics is well known.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:33:06am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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“I’m outraged that you would suggest I’m afraid of Trump by doing something that shows I’m afraid of him!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:35:52am

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:37:29am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:37:59am
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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:39:03am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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Careful there, Charles, that kinda talk might get you suspended or even banned. Can’t talk like that about neo-Nazis or their defenders, after all.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:40:04am

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:40:26am

The question that should be asked of those Repubs whining about being accused of being afraid is “If you’re not afraid of Trump, why are you so hesitant to go against him?” They can whine that those words weren’t used against them or the event didn’t happen, but the reality remains that they are afraid of reprisal from Trump and are allowing that fear to guide their actions. It’s like watching a jury acquit a mafia boss, not because they genuinely believe he’s innocent, but because they’re afraid for themselves and their families if they convict.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:41:41am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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He did threaten all of you
You’re mad that it was made public right to your faces

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:42:06am
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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:44:34am

That diaper is not going to empty itself, Senators.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:45:32am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:48:27am

re: #17 jaunte

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Projection, it’s the Trump way.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:50:14am

re: #16 jaunte

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That diaper is not going to empty itself, Senators.

If it’s such a hoax, you could release documents and witnesses that would clear you but you haven’t. You act guilty all the time.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:50:33am

re: #18 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Projection, it’s the Trump Republican way.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:50:50am

How many days do these garbage GOP lawyers get to do this for?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:51:05am

re: #20 Citizen K

Same difference

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:51:15am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

How many days do these garbage GOP lawyers get to do this for?

Two more I think.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:52:06am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

How many days do these garbage GOP lawyers get to do this for?

Same as D’s. 24 hrs

I’m betting they won’t/can’t/don’t use it all

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:53:28am

re: #24 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Same as D’s. 24 hrs

I’m betting they won’t/can’t/don’t use it all

Well when half of your case memoranda are PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT scribbled on a Mar Al Lago bar napkin.

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ericblair  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:55:27am

re: #8 Joe Bacon 🌹

(Because they took Russian money through the NRA too)

Yes. Also, what gets forgotten is that both the DNC and RNC were hacked in 2016. We saw all the damaging DNC emails (which I’m sure disappointed them). We have never seen any of the RNC emails. I think we can safely assume that most or all of the Republican senate is being blackmailed.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:56:34am

re: #15 Citizen K

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“Purely strategic reasons.” Yeah, no, that’s horseshit. Burning your bridges with minority voters in the hopes that you can somehow peel off white voters from Trump isn’t just foolish in the primaries, it’s goddamn suicidal in the general election itself. This is why so many think that Bernie would get his ass kicked if run against Trump, because there’s not enough white folks alone in the Dem ranks to elect him and the ones who support Trump are not going to be swayed by promises of “free” stuff.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:56:56am

I can actually believe Trump has no idea what he did that was impeachable tbh. But that’s all on him. He has no idea about the presidency. He has a cartoon vision of the government and international relations.

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BigPapa  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:57:03am

the thing about he hacked DNC emails: there wasn’t anything there

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:58:12am

re: #29 BigPapa

the thing about he hacked DNC emails: there wasn’t anything there

Russia if you’re listening, release RNC emails from Trump’s rise.//

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BigPapa  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:58:31am

re: #28 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The idea that Trump had no idea what he was doing becomes irrelevant when he *acts like he knew it was wrong* instead of proffering a mea culpa.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 25, 2020 • 10:59:23am

What a shameful spectacle. Banana Republicans indeed. Our enemies are delighted, our friends appalled. We can see our standing in the world go down the toilet in real time.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:01:43am

re: #31 BigPapa

The idea that Trump had no idea what he was doing becomes irrelevant when he *acts like he knew it was wrong* instead of proffering a mea culpa.

Exactly. I’ve seen some say “Well just censure him and move on.” That would require at the very least acknowledgment from him and the WH that the call was improper and not “perfect” and I don’t think Trump has admitted to being wrong about anything since running for President. In fact, he’s doubled down on his ignorance.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:03:41am

Nothing more corrosive to the logic of a legal defense than knowing the judge is bought.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:03:48am

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

What a shameful spectacle. Banana Republicans indeed. Our enemies are delighted, our friends appalled. We can see our standing in the world go down the toilet in real time.

This really is what Putin has always wanted. And if Republicans instead of being blinded by their hate of Clinton and the Obama administration actually used that “common sense” they love to claim they have, they would realize that Trump is Putin’s fiddle that he loves to play to show to the world skeptical about democracy “See how dumb those Americans are.” Really if I were a foreigner and Trump were my first introduction to an American President on a wide scale, I wouldn’t want anything to do with our country’s government.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:05:05am

re: #29 BigPapa

the thing about he hacked DNC emails: there wasn’t anything there

Not according to the liars in the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press!

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BigPapa  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:05:22am

re: #34 jaunte

Nothing more corrosive to the logic of a legal defense than knowing the judge is bought.

This is why counsel is half assing and calling it in. They’re just going through the motions.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:05:42am

Off-topic (mostly)
Saw a new name for Cheeto’s Secretary of Education: Cruella DeVos.
I’m annoyed that I didn’t think of it first. I can still claim Princess Amway though.

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ericblair  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:06:36am

re: #33 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly. I’ve seen some say “Well just censure him and move on.” That would require at the very least acknowledgment from him and the WH that the call was improper and not “perfect” and I don’t think Trump has admitted to being wrong about anything since running for President. In fact, he’s doubled down on his ignorance.

It would have been a lot better for the goopers in a number of places if they could have at least said “what Trump did was wrong, I wouldn’t have done it, but it’s not worthy of removal.” McConnell could have given out golden tickets left and right to vulnerable senators in electoral trouble. But the narcissistic insecure nutcase in the White House would never have tolerated even fake tactical opposition. He’d have sent the flying monkeys down on anybody who failed to kiss his ass and destroyed them. So here we are, and may the rotten shits in the Republican Senate choke on it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:07:02am

re: #37 BigPapa

This is why counsel is half assing and calling it in. They’re just going through the motions.

As far as I’m concerned, Roberts has done a lot of damage to the court’s prestige that people don’t see yet.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:07:42am

re: #39 ericblair

It would have been a lot better for the goopers in a number of places if they could have at least said “what Trump did was wrong, I wouldn’t have done it, but it’s not worthy of removal.” McConnell could have given out golden tickets left and right to vulnerable senators in electoral trouble. But the narcissistic insecure nutcase in the White House would never have tolerated even fake tactical opposition. He’d have sent the flying monkeys down on anybody who failed to kiss his ass and destroyed them. So here we are, and may the rotten shits in the Republican Senate choke on it.

Amen to that. They’ve made their defense that Trump did nothing wrong. Let’s bury the sons of bitches over that.

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sagehen  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:09:24am

re: #24 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Same as D’s. 24 hrs

I’m betting they won’t/can’t/don’t use it all

They want this whole thing over with before the SOTU (feb 5).

The only way that happens is if they sprint through it.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:09:38am

re: #37 BigPapa

This is why counsel is half assing and calling it in. They’re just going through the motions.

apparently the bar cant do anything because it’s not a ‘real’ court and the lawyers themselves arent under oath

else they’d be in all kinds of trouble for pulling this shit

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:09:49am

re: #34 jaunte

Reminds me of that scene in “Thief” (Michael Mann directed it, 1981 I think), where the lawyer and the judge keep going back and forth about an early release for a felon, and the back and forth involves hand signals indicating the judge’s price. It’s a fantastic scene.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:11:35am

re: #39 ericblair

It would have been a lot better for the goopers in a number of places if they could have at least said “what Trump did was wrong, I wouldn’t have done it, but it’s not worthy of removal.” McConnell could have given out golden tickets left and right to vulnerable senators in electoral trouble. But the narcissistic insecure nutcase in the White House would never have tolerated even fake tactical opposition. He’d have sent the flying monkeys down on anybody who failed to kiss his ass and destroyed them. So here we are, and may the rotten shits in the Republican Senate choke on it.

i argued way back when that this should have been trumps strategy - - the only way to avoid the permanent stain and asterisk of impeachment

alas they chose not to participate and instead he’s impeached forever, no matter what the senate does

he will die believing he was exonerated while also knowing he wasn’t. and that shit dont wash out.

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sagehen  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:11:37am

re: #29 BigPapa

the thing about he hacked DNC emails: there wasn’t anything there

Except Podesta’s risotto recipe. Made it all worthwhile.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:11:53am

re: #42 sagehen

They want this whole thing over with before the SOTU (feb 5).

The only way that happens is if they sprint through it.

Barring removal, Trump’s going to act like he got cleared and that’s even if there were 65 votes for his removal.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:12:19am

re: #42 sagehen

They want this whole thing over with before the SOTU (feb 5).

The only way that happens is if they sprint through it.

that certainly
and they dont have 24 hours of material

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jeffreyw  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:12:27am

Lunch break:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:12:29am

re: #46 sagehen

Except Podesta’s risotto recipe. Made it all worthwhile.

Putin really wanted that recipe to show his mistress he could cook.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:12:56am

re: #47 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Barring removal, Trump’s going to act like he got cleared and that’s even if there were 65 votes for his removal.

Yep, the whole SOTU will be a “look how exonerated I am!” speech.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:12:59am

re: #45 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

i argued way back when that this should have been trumps strategy - - the only way to avoid the permanent stain and asterisk of impeachment

alas they chose not to participate and instead he’s impeached forever, no matter what the senate does

he will die believing he was exonerated while also knowing he wasn’t. and that shit dont wash out.

A more sensible minded President would have. But we’re talking the Stable Genius here.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:13:56am

re: #52 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

A more sensible minded President would have. But we’re talking the Stable Genius here.

possibility of censure vs permanent impeachment.

jenius indeed

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:14:27am

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep, the whole SOTU will be a “look how exonerated I am!” speech.

Another piece of political theatre that I cannot bring myself to watch!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:15:26am

re: #53 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

possibility of censure vs permanent impeachment.

jenius indeed

He really is in for a rude awakening when he leaves office. His pardon pen can’t reach to Albany and neither can Barr’s claws.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:16:38am

re: #54 retired cynic

Another piece of political theatre that I cannot bring myself to watch!

I expect it will be like this: I was cleared, this should never happen again, I killed Solemaini and the Democrats cried for him, and the economy is the best ever. He will I guarantee do something that reminds the population why this needed to happen between February and Election Day.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:16:44am

Had Trump been willing to say “What I did was wrong, but not impeachable,” I doubt that House Dems would have even been able to find the votes to censure him. Blue Dog Dems would have felt too pressured to just let the matter go in the lead-up to an election year to support such a move. And Pelosi would have likely seen the optics of a House censure but Senate rebuff as not even worth the effort.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:18:38am

re: #57 Targetpractice

Had Trump been willing to say “What I did was wrong, but not impeachable,” I doubt that House Dems would have even been able to find the votes to censure him. Blue Dog Dems would have felt too pressured to just let the matter go in the lead-up to an election year to support such a move. And Pelosi would have likely seen the optics of a House censure but Senate rebuff as not even worth the effort.

Which is why claiming that this was a hoax or done to overturn 2016 is absurd. Pelosi could have started an inquiry based of Mueller’s findings. I think it would have been harder than what’s happened here but she could have. She did not. Trump’s refusal to even acknowledge the slightest wrong doing is going to be his and his party’s undoing here in the end IMO.

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makeitstop  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:21:34am
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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:22:53am

re: #58 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Which is why claiming that this was a hoax or done to overturn 2016 is absurd. Pelosi could have started an inquiry based of Mueller’s findings. I think it would have been harder than what’s happened here but she could have. She did not. Trump’s refusal to even acknowledge the slightest wrong doing is going to be his and his party’s undoing here in the end IMO.

The biggest issue with the “THIS IS ALL ABOUT 2016/THEY’VE WANTED TO IMPEACH HIM FOR YEARS!!!” bit is the Dems had this huge blow-up last year over the subject, to the point that there were calls for Pelosi to step down if she would not begin impeachment proceedings with the Mueller Report as a guide. There’s barrels of ink spilled on articles about how resistant she was to even consider impeachment unless something definitive came along. Hell, to this day, I still believe she only went after him on Ukraine because she could no longer hold back the flood.

Nobody buys this BS that this is all a partisan effort to overturn the election, because the people accused of orchestrating such were the biggest proponents of waiting out Trump’s term before Ukraine became an issue.

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lizardofid  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:23:13am

re: #49 jeffreyw

Lunch break:

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Obviously, in this case, the chicken was first.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:24:49am

re: #60 Targetpractice

The biggest issue with the “THIS IS ALL ABOUT 2016/THEY’VE WANTED TO IMPEACH HIM FOR YEARS!!!” bit is the Dems had this huge blow-up last year over the subject, to the point that there were calls for Pelosi to step down if she would not begin impeachment proceedings with the Mueller Report as a guide. There’s barrels of ink spilled on articles about how resistant she was to even consider impeachment unless something definitive came along. Hell, to this day, I still believe she only went after him on Ukraine because she could no longer hold back the flood.

Nobody buys this BS that this is all a partisan effort to overturn the election, because the people accused of orchestrating such were the biggest proponents of waiting out Trump’s term before Ukraine became an issue.

Exactly. She was if anything extremely cautious about this and you know what, I think she was right. And I feel she did a good job choosing impeachment managers and you couldn’t have gotten a better leader than Schiff, who I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being Pelosi’s successor.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:27:30am

You have Adam Schiff who has prosecuted people who have committed espionage against the US and has been in Congress for 20 years now. And then you have Jay Sekulow who is nothing but a Trump lackey. We’re not going to remove him guys but I really think when this gets going, we’re going to wonder how much the GOP will do to ignore Trump’s shit. Right now though, they’re in a careful trap, we’re before their primaries so they have to stay loyal to Trump but we’re close enough to the election where they can’t just completely be absolved by amnesia. I’m telling oy. Trump will do something else again before November.

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jeffreyw  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:28:10am

re: #61 lizardofid

Obviously, in this case, the chicken was first.

There were several chickens involved in the production. With so many of them coming and going I have to admit that I lost track.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:29:50am

re: #62 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly. She was if anything extremely cautious about this and you know what, I think she was right. And I feel she did a good job choosing impeachment managers and you couldn’t have gotten a better leader than Schiff, who I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being Pelosi’s successor.

He could be her successor. Right now he is the face of the Democratic Party.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:31:10am

re: #65 Shropshire Slasher

He could be her successor. Right now he is the face of the Democratic Party.

Right now, he would be my pick. He’s definitely getting tested by this and I think he’s succeeded.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:32:47am

re: #43 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

apparently the bar cant do anything because it’s not a ‘real’ court and the lawyers themselves arent under oath

else they’d be in all kinds of trouble for pulling this shit

Unfortunately for them, the court of public opinion is not going to let them skate on such technicalities. The lies are going to be called out, even if the corporate press avoids calling them lies, and the image of a “defense” that’s stuck lying their asses off will be what the voters see. As will the Chief Justice who, instead of holding their feet to the fire, is sitting in his seat like he’s attending a college lecture when he’d rather be anywhere else.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:33:29am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:34:02am

Schiff would definitely be a good Speaker. So would Ted Lieu.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:34:23am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:35:06am

re: #67 Targetpractice

Unfortunately for them, the court of public opinion is not going to let them skate on such technicalities. The lies are going to be called out, even if the corporate press avoids calling them lies, and the image of a “defense” that’s stuck lying their asses off will be what the voters see. As will the Chief Justice who, instead of holding their feet to the fire, is sitting in his seat like he’s attending a college lecture when he’d rather be anywhere else.

Correct.

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lizardofid  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:35:33am

re: #64 jeffreyw

There were several chickens involved in the production. With so many of them coming and going I have to admit that I lost track.

Yes but as the pig said about breakfast, some contributed, but some gave all!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:35:46am

re: #70 Dread Pirate

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He really is a patronizing dick.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:35:48am

re: #70 Dread Pirate

He chose an over the top lie because he wanted to make the reporter look as stupid as possible.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:38:59am

re: #68 Dread Pirate

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What’s cute about this is Philbin wants us to believe that the man who screams that his impeachment is “invalid” because no Republicans voted for it would have complied with subpoenas that would likewise have passed without a single Republican vote.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:39:04am
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JC1  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:40:51am

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

He chose an over the top lie because he wanted to make the reporter look as stupid as possible.

He doesn’t actually come out and say that she pointed at the wrong country. He just says that The Ukraine is not Bangladesh. So it’s not a lie, technically. Still, what a pathetic little man.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:41:04am
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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:42:23am

re: #70 Dread Pirate

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In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:42:57am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:45:33am

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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Rogan does the act I see a lot of sketchy people do and that’s offer vaguely socialist and or libertarian sentiments and act like he knows what he’s talking about.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:46:23am

We need to stop giving people influence based on clicks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:47:24am

If Rogan can bring Bernie down for good, I’m all for it.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:47:24am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:49:02am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

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I think Bernie absolutely does pose. His hostility to immigrants is something that never gets discussed along with a condescension to women. I’m tired of Sanders’ fans acting like he’s the most progressive ever. He’s not.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:49:44am

It is truly amazing what those of us with our ad-blockers turned off instead of being able to afford a subscription are seeing served from this site’s partners.

What algorithm sees the way we’ve been for a decade and mainly feeds us ads with a MAGAt bias like the one about refinancing at the top of my current page?

Also, Rogangate still blowing up as the left tries to drag Human Rights Campaign and MoveOn under the bus (and remember that MoveOn in particular actually kneecapped Hillary and endorsed Bernie in ‘16!):

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makeitstop  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:49:48am

American journalists in general should take a lesson from Mary Louise Kelly. That woman is a badass.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:50:34am

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

If Rogan can bring Bernie down for good, I’m all for it.

I hope so. Lot of Rogan fanboys tho. They’re not reliable voters though. That’s the thing about the Bernie movement. Voting is lame to them. To me, it’s one of the strongest forms of political expression.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:51:53am

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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Even if Bernie has done damage to his campaign by embracing Rogan, he could still stem the bleeding a bit if he came out now and said that he was rejecting the endorsement in light of past statements by Rogan that he’s been made aware of. It would hurt his image, but it might give him the chance to regain minority voters he’s lost.

Continuing to act as though this is all happening in a vacuum is what is going to doom his campaign going forward. There’s just too much out there, almost all of it from Rogan’s own mouth, to fake “shock” or “outrage” the next time he opens his gob and vomits forth hate and bile.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:53:00am

re: #88 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I hope so. Lot of Rogan fanboys tho. They’re not reliable voters though. That’s the thing about the Bernie movement. Voting is lame to them. To me, it’s one of the strongest forms of political expression.

It’s lame to them because not only does he not just draw democratic-socialist support, there’s an argument that he just doesn’t draw democratic-socialist support, especially before they booga-booga Liz out of the race.

Instead, his real base is revolutionary socialists who hope each time they vote that it’s the last time anyone outside of a Politburo does.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:53:18am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:53:21am

re: #89 Targetpractice

Even if Bernie has done damage to his campaign by embracing Rogan, he could still stem the bleeding a bit if he came out now and said that he was rejecting the endorsement in light of past statements by Rogan that he’s been made aware of. It would hurt his image, but it might give him the chance to regain minority voters he’s lost.

Continuing to act as though this is all happening in a vacuum is what is going to doom his campaign going forward. There’s just too much out there, almost all of it from Rogan’s own mouth, to fake “shock” or “outrage” the next time he opens his gob and vomits forth hate and bile.

Bernie suffers from the same disease Trump does. Imneverwrong.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:55:55am

re: #90 Chrysicat

It’s lame to them because not only does he not just draw democratic-socialist support, there’s an argument that he just doesn’t draw democratic-socialist support, especially before they booga-booga Liz out of the race.

Instead, his real base is revolutionary socialists who hope each time they vote that it’s the last time anyone outside of a Politburo does.

The Sanders memes make me cringe like the Trump ones. It really does remind me of Ron Paul but it’s older than that. These cults of individual candidates make me so uncomfortable.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 11:59:17am

re: #57 Targetpractice

Had Trump been willing to say “What I did was wrong, but not impeachable,” I doubt that House Dems would have even been able to find the votes to censure him. Blue Dog Dems would have felt too pressured to just let the matter go in the lead-up to an election year to support such a move. And Pelosi would have likely seen the optics of a House censure but Senate rebuff as not even worth the effort.

Precis

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jeffreyw  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:02:02pm

re: #72 lizardofid

Yes but as the pig said about breakfast, some contributed, but some gave all!

I’ve heard that! Those that gave all? I have never watched that part. My mother, the precinct captain, warned against it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:02:35pm

re: #94 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Precis

His arrogance caused the impeachment in the end.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:03:32pm

re: #70 Dread Pirate

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I repeat, ladies and gentlemen, America’s top *diplomat*

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:04:36pm

re: #91 Dread Pirate

I don’t think Israel will allow Iran to possess nuclear bomb making material.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:04:44pm

Iowa hasn’t even started voting and already the Berners are arguing that “we” need to appeal to the Roganites of America if “we” want to win in November. That’s pretty fucking presumptive of them, that the first primary ballots haven’t even been cast and they’re already into planning out his general election strategy. The arrogance on display is just impressive, that they’re already talking down to Dem voters with the very same “You’ll vote for him if you don’t want Trump!” argument that they characterize as “fearmongering” at any other time.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:05:41pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

What’s cute about this is Philbin wants us to believe that the man who screams that his impeachment is “invalid” because no Republicans voted for it would have complied with subpoenas that would likewise have passed without a single Republican vote.

Lie though it is, it would be the most technical of technicalities and absolutely absurd in these circumstances and context.

We can’t remove a president who did all these things but was incorrectly served

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lizardofid  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:06:50pm

re: #95 jeffreyw

I’ve heard that! Those that gave all? I have never watched that part. My mother, the precinct captain, warned against it.

I remember it well, I still remember the smell of wet feathers in my grandmother’s kitchen sink. ; )

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:07:56pm

re: #82 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We need to stop giving people influence based on clicks.

Jake, it’s internettown

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:08:54pm

re: #86 Chrysicat

It is truly amazing what those of us with our ad-blockers turned off instead of being able to afford a subscription are seeing served from this site’s partners.

What algorithm sees the way we’ve been for a decade and mainly feeds us ads with a MAGAt bias like the one about refinancing at the top of my current page?

This is because right wing organizations are vastly outspending Democrats on web advertising.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:09:45pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Iowa hasn’t even started voting and already the Berners are arguing that “we” need to appeal to the Roganites of America if “we” want to win in November. That’s pretty fucking presumptive of them, that the first primary ballots haven’t even been cast and they’re already into planning out his general election strategy. The arrogance on display is just impressive, that they’re already talking down to Dem voters with the very same “You’ll vote for him if you don’t want Trump!” argument that they characterize as “fearmongering” at any other time.

They have a very hostile attitude to democracy. And the shit about it being rigged in HRC’s favor was offensive to those who actually did work on a campaign that did in fact win the nomination against HRC. Bernie’s top support demographic in 2016 was mine- 18-29 year old with a degree and white and male. He didn’t get my vote then and he’s not now. Joe Rogan never has meant anything to my identity as a liberal Democrat.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:09:51pm

re: #87 makeitstop

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American journalists in general should take a lesson from Mary Louise Kelly. That woman is a badass.

Diplomat indeed

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:10:24pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

Even if Bernie has done damage to his campaign by embracing Rogan, he could still stem the bleeding a bit if he came out now and said that he was rejecting the endorsement in light of past statements by Rogan that he’s been made aware of. It would hurt his image, but it might give him the chance to regain minority voters he’s lost.

Continuing to act as though this is all happening in a vacuum is what is going to doom his campaign going forward. There’s just too much out there, almost all of it from Rogan’s own mouth, to fake “shock” or “outrage” the next time he opens his gob and vomits forth hate and bile.

Just like returning a contribution

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:10:44pm

re: #102 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

Jake, it’s internettown

True. Fucking sucks tho.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:11:42pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

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Although you are right about which part of your comment is the most important, I take issue with “most progressive candidate in a generation.” Economically progressive, OK, but that isn’t the only measure of “progressive.”

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:12:02pm

re: #96 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

His arrogance caused the impeachment in the end.

As Nixon’s would have.
With some help he saw the light

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:14:04pm

re: #107 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

True. Fucking sucks tho.

That’s why they make sequels

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sagehen  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:16:08pm

re: #72 lizardofid

Yes but as the pig said about breakfast, some contributed, but some gave all!

The version I heard was that the chicken is involved with your breakfast, the pig is committed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:20:13pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

This is because right wing organizations are vastly outspending Democrats on web advertising.

Fuck you very much Citizens United.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:21:06pm

re: #108 Jebediah, RBG

Although you are right about which part of your comment is the most important, I take issue with “most progressive candidate in a generation.” Economically progressive, OK, but that isn’t the only measure of “progressive.”

He definitely isn’t on immigration, guns,

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lizardofid  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:25:05pm

re: #111 sagehen

The version I heard was that the chicken is involved with your breakfast, the pig is committed.

I believe you recall it correctly : )

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:25:35pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Schiff would definitely be a good Speaker. So would Ted Lieu.

I expect Dianne Feinstein’s seat will be open next election….

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:26:03pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Iowa hasn’t even started voting and already the Berners are arguing that “we” need to appeal to the Roganites of America if “we” want to win in November. That’s pretty fucking presumptive of them, that the first primary ballots haven’t even been cast and they’re already into planning out his general election strategy. The arrogance on display is just impressive, that they’re already talking down to Dem voters with the very same “You’ll vote for him if you don’t want Trump!” argument that they characterize as “fearmongering” at any other time.

Emotional blackmail.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:30:26pm

re: #115 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

I expect Dianne Feinstein’s seat will be open next election….

Ouch. I almost want to downvote that, though in my head I understand she’s older than even Pelosi…

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:30:30pm

re: #113 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He definitely isn’t on immigration, guns,

Or racism. (Including environmental racism.)

And even if he were the most progressive, I still wouldn’t support him. His legislative record is nil and his plan for overcoming Congressional resistance to his agenda (“There will be GIANT protests!”) is so childishly naive that it is insulting that he would try to sell it to us as an actual plan. And he certainly hasn’t sold me on him having any foreign policy expertise - which by itself isn’t disqualifying if I can trust that a candidate will have, and listen to, a great Cabinet and other advisors. He comes off as such an obnoxious know-it-all that I am not sure he would listen to qualified advisors.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:33:56pm

re: #118 Jebediah, RBG

Or racism. (Including environmental racism.)

And even if he were the most progressive, I still wouldn’t support him. His legislative record is nil and his plan for overcoming Congressional resistance to his agenda (“There will be GIANT protests!”) is so childishly naive that it is insulting that he would try to sell it to us as an actual plan. And he certainly hasn’t sold me on him having any foreign policy expertise - which by itself isn’t disqualifying if I can trust that a candidate will have, and listen to, a great Cabinet and other advisors. He comes off as such an obnoxious know-it-all that I am not sure he would listen to qualified advisors.

You got it. I wish more people my age did but they don’t.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2020 • 12:45:17pm

re: #108 Jebediah, RBG

Although you are right about which part of your comment is the most important, I take issue with “most progressive candidate in a generation.” Economically progressive, OK, but that isn’t the only measure of “progressive.”

It’s a reminder of just how much contempt they have for that there “Identity Politics”, which is almost always focused on allowing those whose identities have minimized their voice to, you know, actually have a voice. The ones that decry it the most are usually the ones that tend to have their ‘identities’ catered to the most, after all.

And yet, their the ones that are the most desperate to take the mantle of ‘civil rights’ all the while dismissing the folks on the ground working for civil rights the most, because they act like it takes focus away from the ‘real’ threat. Like…listen to how many in the trans community have been basically browbeat and told that their concerns must necessarily be trampled for the sake of the ‘big tent’. Especially by those who have gone out of their way to shitkick the entire Dem party for being ‘Republican Lite’ or centrist and having too big a tent.

Not to mention the whataboutism when they bring up Biden and his nostalgia for the olden days of the senate and former segregationist colleagues…you know, like those weren’t heavily called out by the very people calling this shit out. But no, Biden isn’t perfect, Warren isn’t perfect, therefore Sanders must immediately get a pass forever and anon because he is the closet to perfect or some shit.

And it looks like Sanders is actually reaping the rewards of this shit wholesale from the lovefest he’s getting from most mainstream reporters and rising polls. So…fine, fun, fan-fucking-tastic. The marginalized are getting kicked to the side again and stomped back into the corner because fuck it, the votes really don’t matter, do they?


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