A Young Boy Encounters the Uncanny: “La Noria” [VIDEO]

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“La Noria” by Carlos Baena

From seasoned animator Carlos Baena (ILM, Pixar) and a crowd-sourced community of over 100 people, “La Noria” tells the tale of a grieving young boy who one day encounters dark creatures that turn his life upside down.

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lanoriafilm.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 26, 2020 • 8:43:06pm

Rocking a 1692 organ, 18th century style:

Bach - Herr Gott, nun schleuss den Himmel auf BWV 617 - Van Doeselaar | Netherlands Bach Society

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Belafon  Jan 26, 2020 • 8:47:31pm

*tear*

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BeachDem  Jan 26, 2020 • 8:54:17pm

OK—this one really got me

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 26, 2020 • 8:57:29pm

re: #3 BeachDem

OK—this one really got me

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Biden gave a nice one too. I have to admit I had not thought that Joe can empathize more than most people with the Bryant family on this tragedy. This one is a beautiful tribute. The NBA community really does have this togetherness I admire.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:08:26pm

I’ll tell ya, it’s nice to see someone mention others beside the Bryant family.

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BeachDem  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:09:22pm

re: #4 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Biden gave a nice one too. I have to admit I had not thought that Joe can empathize more than most people with the Bryant family on this tragedy. This one is a beautiful tribute. The NBA community really does have this togetherness I admire.

Bill Russell has been a hero to me for close to 50 years. On and off the court, the man has always stood up for what’s right (earned him an FBI file for his trouble—in which he was described as “an arrogant Negro who won’t sign autographs for white children.”)
EDIT—Actually, for 60 years—damn I’m old!

Always stood up…except when he was taking a knee.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:14:57pm

re: #6 BeachDem

Bill Russell has been a hero to me for close to 50 years. On and off the court, the man has always stood up for what’s right (earned him an FBI file for his trouble—in which he was described as “an arrogant Negro who won’t sign autographs for white children.”)

Always stood up…except when he was taking a knee.

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You’ll like this but my dad’s favorite was Cousy. And yeah Bill was awesome. He’s one of the greatest winners ever. I think he has 11 rings right?

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Dread Pirate  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:16:10pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:16:21pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’ll tell ya, it’s nice to see someone mention others beside the Bryant family.

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I may get annoyed by Joe Biden but I never doubt he’s a decent man.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:17:58pm

re: #8 Dread Pirate

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It’s pathetic how they gaslight their base. No, they did not demolish any case today. This really is a fucking cult of personality and the GOP seems fine with it. I just hope it ends with the death of the GOP as a national party.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:18:18pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:22:26pm

re: #11 Dr Lizardo

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Well this ain’t good.

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Citizen K  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:24:36pm

re: #8 Dread Pirate

Boom?

BOOM?!

Seriously, they’re treating these proceedings like a fucking playoff game, except I’m not sure even pro team’s social media accounts are that blithe.

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cat-tikvah  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:28:19pm

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Citizen K  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:29:27pm
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BeachDem  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:35:54pm

re: #7 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You’ll like this but my dad’s favorite was Cousy. And yeah Bill was awesome. He’s one of the greatest winners ever. I think he has 11 rings right?

Those were MY Celtics—Cousy, then Russell, Heinsohn, the “Jones Boys”—Sam and KC, Sanders, Havlicek, Naulls, etc. etc. I have every book from that era—Cousy’s, Russell’s, Auerbach’s. I lived for the Celts. (Cousy had 6 titles.) I know I’ve probably mentioned that Sam lived in my hometown and was (is) a truly great guy, and KC was good friends with my ex-brother-in-law. Amazing that Cousy, Russell,Heinsohn, both Jones, Sanders are all still around.

Another striking thing—the Celtics were real groundbreakers in fighting for racial equality—particularly of note when the Red Sox/Yawkey were a bunch of racist assholes.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:35:57pm

re: #12 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well this ain’t good.

Talked to a former student of mine who lives in Ho Chi Minh City and rumor there (and it’s just rumor, unofficial scuttlebutt) is that if starts getting bad in Vietnam, they’ll close their border with China.

She was planning on taking a business trip to Beijing later this week, but she’s cancelled it; like she said, “Sure, no problem getting to China, but I don’t want to end up trapped there if things get worse.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:38:33pm

re: #16 BeachDem

Those were MY Celtics—Cousy, then Russell, Heinsohn, the “Jones Boys”—Sam and KC, Sanders, Havlicek, Naulls, etc. etc. I have every book from that era—Cousy’s, Russell’s, Auerbach’s. I lived for the Celts. (Cousy had 6 titles.) I know I’ve probably mentioned that Sam lived in my hometown and was (is) a truly great guy, and KC was good friends with my ex-brother-in-law. Amazing that Cousy, Russell,Heinsohn, both Jones, Sanders are all still around.

Another striking thing—the Celtics were real groundbreakers in fighting for racial equality—particularly of note when the Red Sox/Yawkey were a bunch of racist assholes.

My kid brother is a huge basketball fan. Got him Jackie McMillian’s book on Larry and Magic. But yeah the racial integration is something I love. You know me, I love love to hate on Boston sports but Auerbach Celts were an inspiration. Plus Red has to be the best ever and then Pop at building a consistent contender.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:39:15pm

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

Talked to a former student of mine who lives in Ho Chi Minh City and rumor there (and it’s just rumor, unofficial scuttlebutt) is that if starts getting bad in Vietnam, they’ll close their border with China.

She was planning on taking a business trip to Beijing later this week, but she’s cancelled it; like she said, “Sure, no problem getting to China, but I don’t want to end up trapped there if things get worse.”

I don’t blame her. Trapped in the PRC sounds like a nightmare.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:39:37pm

A fifth case of Wuhan Coronavirus has been confirmed in Australia; it was a young woman who flew in to Sydney on the last flight out of Wuhan before travel out of Wuhan was suspended.

9news.com.au

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Dread Pirate  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:40:51pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:41:28pm

re: #20 Dr Lizardo

A fifth case of Wuhan Coronavirus has been confirmed in Australia; it was a young woman who flew in to Sydney on the last flight out of Wuhan before travel out of Wuhan was suspended.

9news.com.au

Thinking about this, I hope Wheat is home here in the US with his family.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:43:11pm

re: #22 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Thinking about this, I hope Wheat is home here in the US with his family.

Yeah, same here; haven’t seen Wheat online here in quite some time.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:44:04pm

re: #21 Dread Pirate

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Trump takes off his skin mask and admits he’s from a strange distant planet where all they do is golf, watch FNC, & think Bangladesh is Ukraine right?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 26, 2020 • 9:45:08pm

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, same here; haven’t seen Wheat online here in quite some time.

Been at least a year I’m afraid. I believe someone found his family’s crowdfund for him on here but hadn’t heard an update since.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 26, 2020 • 10:05:43pm

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, same here; haven’t seen Wheat online here in quite some time.

I recall reading that he’d returned to the USA and was in Colorado, but I don’t remember what article here I read that on.

His very last comment here was on an article by Scottish Dragon.

Game of Thrones: The Bells

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 26, 2020 • 10:25:39pm

Off to work. Be back later.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 26, 2020 • 11:28:31pm
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plansbandc  Jan 26, 2020 • 11:42:30pm

The film is lovely. Thank you, Charles.

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Dread Pirate  Jan 27, 2020 • 12:02:57am
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plansbandc  Jan 27, 2020 • 12:11:20am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 27, 2020 • 1:43:51am

Shameless page promotion in the right-hand column:

Brazil Picks Creationist to Lead Higher Education

Conservatives Moving Forward to the XIV Century

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 27, 2020 • 2:32:56am

A Christian warns of items in your home you should immediately destroy, because they bring demons into your home.

Amongst the things she recommends destroying are toys or models of lizards (I’m sure that would go over well here).

Counter-apologist YouTuber Unholy Sara goes over this wingnut’s list in detail [15:29]. You should not allow your children to read things like interesting books. No copies of the Bible other than the King James (the one true translation which repels demons; all others attract demons). In fact, you shouldn’t have any sort of foreign-made product, because demons can attach themselves to those products so you unwittingly bring them into your home.

More crazy at the video.

Taking on a Crazy Christian Blog

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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2020 • 2:52:45am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 27, 2020 • 3:03:12am

re: #34 Dave In Austin

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 27, 2020 • 3:10:57am

Extremely local news (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

Communities show mixed results in regional sales tax revenues

Almost all of the municipalities in the Nebraska Panhandle have local sales taxes.

The notable exception is my village.

When one of the Republican members of the village board brought up the idea of imposing a village sales tax (state law limits it to 1/8 of one percent for a municipality), I led the charge against it when I was on the board. With the backing of the village’s businesses and residents in town, when the bill finally came up for a vote, the bill went down in defeat 4-1. (I really hate flat taxes, and figures indicated that the village would raise very little from such a tax. It was promoted as a way to soak travellers on US-26 driving through town, but such travellers do not use the gun shop, village bar and grill, art school, or beauty salon.)

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 3:34:30am

Taiwan’s battening down the hatches.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 27, 2020 • 3:36:46am

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 3:40:06am

Meanwhile, here in Czech Republic:

Translation: “From today, aircraft crews arriving in Prague will inform passengers about what to do if they’ve travelled from the area of the coronavirus infection and have a fever, cough or shortness of breath. Crews will also be alerted by passengers with these symptoms to seek medical attention at the airport.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 27, 2020 • 3:41:03am

re: #38 Patricia Kayden

We wish.

There’s no way Trump is going to leave office before he has to; too many states and municipalities want him on state and local charges.

Plus there’s all that grift of the Treasury still waiting.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 27, 2020 • 3:43:08am

So weather conditions did not meet the minimum standards for flying and police department had grounded its helicopters.

(Warning: video may start immediately)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 27, 2020 • 3:51:10am

Douchecanoes gotta douche, and another reason for me not to be on Twitter (which refuses to do anything about this):

Epilepsy Foundation Files Criminal Complaint and Requests Investigation in Response to Attacks on Twitter Feed (goes to the Epilepsy Foundation, more at the link):

Use of Flashing and Strobing Lights, including GIFs and Videos, Harmful to People with Epilepsy and Seizures

LANDOVER, Md. — The Epilepsy Foundation has filed formal criminal complaints with law enforcement authorities outlining a series of attacks on its Twitter feed designed to trigger seizure(s) in people with epilepsy. The attacks, which used the Foundation’s Twitter handle and hashtags to post flashing or strobing lights, deliberately targeted the feed during National Epilepsy Awareness Month when the greatest number of people with epilepsy and seizures were likely to be following the feed.

“Flashing lights at certain intensities or certain visual patterns can trigger seizures in those with photosensitive epilepsy,” said Jacqueline French, M.D., chief medical and innovation officer of the Epilepsy Foundation and professor of Neurology at NYU Langone Health’s Comprehensive Epilepsy Center. “While the population of those with photosensitive epilepsy is small, the impact can be quite serious. Many are not even aware they have photosensitivity until they have a seizure.”

“Twitter is one of the largest places of public gathering that exists today,” said Allison Nichol, Esq., director of legal advocacy for the Epilepsy Foundation. “These attacks are no different than a person carrying a strobe light into a convention of people with epilepsy and seizures, with the intention of inducing seizures and thereby causing significant harm to the participants. The fact that these attacks came during National Epilepsy Awareness Month only highlights their reprehensible nature. The Foundation is fully cooperating with law enforcement and intends to utilize all available avenues to ensure that those responsible are held fully accountable.”

The Foundation’s attacks were similar to the attacks involving author Kurt Eichenwald.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:06:56am

OK, I just can’t resist posting this, though I’m well aware we’re nowhere near this level of disaster.

Well, not yet, at least.

Dawn of the Dead - Opening Title

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:12:48am

re: #43 Dr Lizardo

OK, I just can’t resist posting this, though I’m well aware we’re nowhere near this level of disaster.

Well, not yet, at least.

Or even worse [4:20]

Shaun Of The Dead - opening pub scene

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:17:02am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Or even worse [4:20]

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LOL, that’s a good film.

I like this one too, because it’s actually quite pertinent, how a virus can spread globally, and with terrifying speed. The end credits from Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

Rise of the Planet of the Apes 2011 credits scene

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:28:01am

Yay, we have freezing fog. Temp is 26°F (-3° Commie). Prediction is for snow and fog later today.
forecast.weather.gov

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:36:23am

I’m going to head off to bed. I’m still getting over this flu I contracted in Chicago (this is pretty awful).

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:38:40am

mcconnell surely had to know:

he has publicly said he is coordinating with WH defense.

Bolton’s laywer said he submitted the manuscript to NSC’s records management division on December 30th for a standard review process.

the white house had to know immediately what was eventually going to come out, and if so how did McConnell not know?

So McConnell must have known there was damaging info about to come out and that was the reason he wanted to speed up the trial.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:42:51am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:45:14am

re: #49 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)

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That Trump hasn’t been is really telling.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:49:05am

re: #50 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trump will never testify under oath. It would be suicide.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:51:22am

as shown by trump constantly, pompeo recently, nunes, hunter, on and on

it’s amazing (well not really) that their response to virtually everything said about these people is ‘it’s a lie, i never said / did that”

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jeffreyw  Jan 27, 2020 • 4:54:18am

Good morning!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:01:13am

Another day, another GOP pervert arrested.
Pennsylvanua state senator Mike Folmer arrested for child pornography

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:01:15am

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

Trump will never testify under oath. It would be suicide.

It would be like the cartoon villain who cracks under oath.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:02:51am

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:02:54am

re: #55 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It would be like the cartoon villain who cracks under oath.

Heh, like something out of Perry Mason.

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Florida Panhandler  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:03:11am

re: #13 Citizen K

Boom?

BOOM?!

Seriously, they’re treating these proceedings like a fucking playoff game, except I’m not sure even pro team’s social media accounts are that blithe.

The entire modern Republican right wing make-up is just a continuation of a high school mentality. And I mean every aspect. Fox News is the perfect public 24/7 display of this continual adolescence and now we see it in their propaganda in something as serious as an Impeachment trial.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:09:32am

re: #57 Dr Lizardo

Heh, like something out of Perry Mason.

Ha for me as a Simpsons fan, I was thinking Sideshow Bob confessing about stealing the mayoral election. Difference of course is Bob is smarter than Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:11:35am

re: #58 Florida Panhandler

The entire modern Republican right wing make-up is just a continuation of a high school mentality. And I mean every aspect. Fox News is the perfect public 24/7 display of this continual adolescence and now we see it in their propaganda in something as serious as an Impeachment trial.

I’ve seen the clips of FNC. A bunch of them are saying Bolton shouldn’t testify not because what he’ll testify to isn’t true but because they don’t like that it would bolster the Democrats’ case against Trump. FNC has helped to create this cult of Trump and I’m sure if Trump is removed either via the Senate (very unlikely) or the voters (I think increasingly likely every day), they’re going to present a narrative of Trump being wronged and push their views even more into a bubble.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:31:51am

I was looking at the Calabasas crash site images this morning. I can’t tell much (though I can tell more than the many doofi who are speculating about it ). It’s obvious though that the S-76 went in very hard and the victims didn’t feel anything. Indeed, ATC data shows an air-speed of 153 knots when the signal stopped, which is near or maybe a little above this particular machine’s maximum. Witnesses report the aircraft was flying very low, which seems reckless at that speed in fog and around hilly terrain. I’m wondering if the pilot realized he was in trouble and increased power to climb out of it, then was unable to do so because of a control failure. It is just a gut- wrenching tragedy, especially since 3 children and 4 of their parents were killed (Coach Altobelli and his wife both died with their daughter).

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:35:33am

First two suspected cases of Wuhan Coronavirus have just been reported here in Czech Republic. One of the cases was a Czech tourist in China, though so far, no news whether he was in Wuhan or Hubei Province.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:40:05am
The Association of Egyptian Travel Agencies banned tourism flights from and to China until further notice as a precaution after the outbreak of the deadly coronavirus, the association announced in a statement on Sunday.

The association cancelled all the Chinese tourism companies’ bookings in Egypt’s Sharm El-Sheikh, Hughada and Aswan, the statement continued.

The ban could affect the tourism revenues as China allocates 10 percent of all inbound tourism to Egypt, said member at the association Osama Munir.

egypttoday.com

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:43:40am

re: #60 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ve seen the clips of FNC. A bunch of them are saying Bolton shouldn’t testify not because what he’ll testify to isn’t true but because they don’t like that it would bolster the Democrats’ case against Trump. FNC has helped to create this cult of Trump and I’m sure if Trump is removed either via the Senate (very unlikely) or the voters (I think increasingly likely every day), they’re going to present a narrative of Trump being wronged and push their views even more into a bubble.

IOW confirm trump did it

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:44:32am

re: #62 Dr Lizardo

First two suspected cases of Wuhan Coronavirus have just been reported here in Czech Republic. One of the cases was a Czech tourist in China, though so far, no news whether he was in Wuhan or Hubei Province.

China looks like it’s going to be pretty cut off from international travel. I definitely think this decade is probably going to be the most consequential decade that China has had in years. Hopefully we get a smart President that understands that and has people who understand China’s geopolitics and history in the years to come.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:47:08am

re: #64 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)

IOW confirm trump did it

Exactly. But they’re setting this up as Trump the wronged. It’s the same crap that right wing mythos did for years with Nixon- see Buchanan still whining about Deepthroat after Mark Felt revealed himself or those who still act like Bork didn’t rightfully earn his rejection by the Senate. They’re mad because we made the case against Trump and they’re even madder because they know Trump is guilty but they don’t care. There’s a lot of cynical assholes who work at FNC. None of them care about our republic. Rupbert Murdoch certainly has never cared about the American republic as anything other than another market of his tabloid journalism.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:48:02am

re: #65 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

China looks like it’s going to be pretty cut off from international travel. I definitely think this decade is probably going to be the most consequential decade that China has had in years. Hopefully we get a smart President that understands that and has people who understand China’s geopolitics and history in the years to come.

The current guy doesn’t understand any of that
Just tariffs

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:49:41am

re: #66 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly. But they’re setting this up as Trump the wronged. It’s the same crap that right wing mythos did for years with Nixon- see Buchanan still whining about Deepthroat after Mark Felt revealed himself or those who still act like Bork didn’t rightfully earn his rejection by the Senate. They’re mad because we made the case against Trump and they’re even madder because they know Trump is guilty but they don’t care. There’s a lot of cynical assholes who work at FNC. None of them care about our republic. Rupbert Murdoch certainly has never cared about the American republic as anything other than another market of his tabloid journalism.

Sure the guys a criminal but do you have to be so public about proving it time and again

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:52:21am

Hooray!
Liverpool venue cancels Franklin Graham event

Graham, the eldest son of the late preacher Billy Graham , has said he believes gay marriage is a “sin”.

He was due to speak at ACC Liverpool on 12 June as part of a UK tour.

But an ACC spokesperson said it had recently been “made aware of a number of statements which we consider to be incompatible with our values”.

“In light of this, we can no longer reconcile the balance between freedom of speech and the divisive impact this event is having in our city.

“We have informed the organisers of the event that the booking will no longer be fulfilled.

“We are proud to represent all communities,” the spokesperson added.

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William Lewis  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:53:46am

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I was looking at the Calabasas crash site images this morning. I can’t tell much (though I can tell more than the many doofi who are speculating about it ). It’s obvious though that the S-76 went in very hard and the victims didn’t feel anything. Indeed, ATC data shows an air-speed of 153 knots when the signal stopped, which is near or maybe a little above this particular machine’s maximum. Witnesses report the aircraft was flying very low, which seems reckless at that speed in fog and around hilly terrain. I’m wondering if the pilot realized he was in trouble and increased power to climb out of it, then was unable to do so because of a control failure. It is just a gut- wrenching tragedy, especially since 3 children and 4 of their parents were killed (Coach Altobelli and his wife both died with their daughter).

When I heard of the fog, I immediately flashed back to Stevie Ray Vaughn’s helicopter doing a CFIT in bad fog as well. From what I’m reading, they had better visibility then than they did yesterday.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:55:27am

Fog in the DFW area:

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:55:56am

An interesting thought from dkos

If the White House has intentionally delayed or frozen the book’s publication in an attempt to block it until after the conclusion of the Senate impeachment trial, it could constitute yet another act meant to obstruct justice

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:56:19am

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William Lewis  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:56:39am

re: #66 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Murdoch, I believe, is an active enemy of any form of democracy or republic. Autocracy/Oligarchy only is what he’s worked for his entire life.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:57:11am

re: #70 William Lewis

When I heard of the fog, I immediately flashed back to Stevie Ray Vaughn’s helicopter doing a CFIT in bad fog as well. From what I’m reading, they had better visibility then than they did yesterday.

Exacto

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 5:59:03am

re: #74 William Lewis

Murdoch, I believe, is an active enemy of any form of democracy or republic. Autocracy/Oligarchy only is what he’s worked for his entire life.

Yeah I don’t see any sign that Rupert actually believes in democratic or republican values. To be clear, I’m talking about democracy and republics in general and I know you know that but sometimes, I think my points get missed in text. His entire act is so cynical. I imagine FNC would be even worse if Ailes were still in charge since Ailes the old Nixonite would be relentless ehre.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:06:11am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:07:33am

re: #77 Belafon

There with both of you on that front. I certainly have moments where I despair but I’ve had a lot of moments where I’m proud of our system and elected officials.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:09:52am
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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:10:35am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:10:43am

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Hooray!
Liverpool venue cancels Franklin Graham event

Graham, the eldest son of the late preacher Billy Graham , has said he believes gay marriage is a “sin”.

He was due to speak at ACC Liverpool on 12 June as part of a UK tour.

But an ACC spokesperson said it had recently been “made aware of a number of statements which we consider to be incompatible with our values”.

“In light of this, we can no longer reconcile the balance between freedom of speech and the divisive impact this event is having in our city.

“We have informed the organisers of the event that the booking will no longer be fulfilled.

“We are proud to represent all communities,” the spokesperson added.

Meanwhile his sister continues to pray for California to get nuked.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:10:52am

Senators upset that the guy who lies like he breathes wasn’t straight with them.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:12:12am

re: #79 jaunte

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:12:26am

re: #79 jaunte

I’m sure they’re all shocked that there was gambling in this casino. Eventually there’s going to be pressure on them maybe not by Republican primary voters but enough general election voters who will vote Trump out. We’re already nearly at 50% which is unprecedented who want removal and that was before this came out. And Trump himself of course is going to continue to be an erratic ass.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:13:42am
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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:14:19am

re: #84 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I thought the latest poll said 51%.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:15:14am
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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:15:38am
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lawhawk  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:16:56am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

So Kobe and 8 others, including his daughter were killed in a chopper crash yesterday. I get some of the outpouring of grief because of the suddenness and that Kobe was an amazing NBA player, but I can’t get over the fact that he and his daughter would not have been on that helicopter (and likely it wouldn’t have even been flying) had Kobe been put in prison for raping a young woman. The charges were legit; he settled for what was likely a max $2.5 million civil settlement. The reason the rape case fell apart was Kobe’s legal team and media put so much pressure on the victim that she ultimately decided not to testify.

Later, he issued a statement that essentially admitted to wrongdoing.

I feel sorry for the others who died on the chopper, and those who were left behind to grieve.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:16:59am

re: #86 Belafon

I thought the latest poll said 51%.

You’re correct. I think the average is getting close to that. Point is yeah more people want him out than they ever did Nixon or Clinton. That’s why I’m not despairing. There are only so many Trump loyalists and there are more of us than them. I really believe that.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:20:13am

Call your Senators

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:25:36am

Also fuck any right winger who thinks the lesson of Auschwitz is about gun confiscation laws. It’s about the dangers of ethno-nationalism and militarism, which last I checked are two cornerstones of right wing ideology here in the 21st century. Not to mention the fact that the Nazis in fact made guns easy to obtain for “Aryans” and used militias to round up people.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:27:08am

re: #80 Belafon

Thinking about it, I’m pretty sure moderate is meaning “white male.”

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lawhawk  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:29:47am

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Also fuck any right winger who thinks the lesson of Auschwitz is about gun confiscation laws. It’s about the dangers of ethno-nationalism and militarism, which last I checked are two cornerstones of right wing ideology here in the 21st century. Not to mention the fact that the Nazis in fact made guns easy to obtain for “Aryans” and used militias to round up people.

France, Soviet Union, Benelux, Poland all had full fucking armies with air force and tanks and artillery and every conceivable kind of weapon available at the time.

It didn’t help France, which fell within months. It didn’t help Poland, which fell within weeks. It didn’t stop the Soviet Union, which suffered tens of millions of casualties as the Nazis invaded and were stopped by winter and millions of troops under combined arms.

A few guys with guns wouldn’t stop the Nazis from liquidating millions of Jews. Delaying the liquidation of the ghettos didn’t stop the Nazis from essentially bombing the ghettos out of existence and murdering all the inhabitants.

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lawhawk  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:30:56am

Well, this is going to suck something fierce.

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Florida Panhandler  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:31:39am

re: #80 Belafon

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I am so sick of lazy labels that have had their goalposts moved so far to the right over the years. Today’s self-described “moderates” are ok with Union bashing and building border walls and concentration camps when 30 years ago these would have been exclusively far right love interests.

Lazy labeling is just another tool in the deep weapon box Republicans can use in this country now. Democrats have facts, truth, and evidence on their side- things relentlessly attacked and swept aside by the constant 24/7 fear industry feeding a White Entitlement grievance machine.

It takes time and effort to actually ask and answer individual policy metrics to gauge political tendencies. Poll after poll reveals a far more “liberal” population when asked for individual policy decisions. But lazy labels are easier to ask and digest in our fast food media climate.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:33:31am

re: #94 lawhawk

France, Soviet Union, Benelux, Poland all had full fucking armies with air force and tanks and artillery and every conceivable kind of weapon available at the time.

It didn’t help France, which fell within months. It didn’t help Poland, which fell within weeks. It didn’t stop the Soviet Union, which suffered tens of millions of casualties as the Nazis invaded and were stopped by winter and millions of troops under combined arms.

A few guys with guns wouldn’t stop the Nazis from liquidating millions of Jews. Delaying the liquidation of the ghettos didn’t stop the Nazis from essentially bombing the ghettos out of existence and murdering all the inhabitants.

Exactly. It’s offensive bullshit done by people who know nothing about the history.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:33:59am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:34:44am

re: #95 lawhawk

Well, this is going to suck something fierce.

There were going to be unintended consequences to the Solemaini attack. This is but one of em.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:37:04am

Well Fox and Friends Presidential advisor, Kilmeade suggested that the lesson with Bolton is that Trump should do a better job vetting his advisers. Fuck this. They really do want a dictatorship and the only thing that has kept Trump from going full out is our institutions that they weaken everyday.

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lawhawk  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:38:08am

re: #99 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That assumes that the Taliban are connected to Iran and Iran would help; if anything, this will suck the US deeper into the Afghan mess because Trump is again shown to be toothless and a bully who can’t take a punch and in order to show that he’s not, he’ll do something spectacularly stupid or dangerous with no consideration to the consequences.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:39:08am

re: #101 lawhawk

That assumes that the Taliban are connected to Iran and Iran would help; if anything, this will suck the US deeper into the Afghan mess because Trump is again shown to be toothless and a bully who can’t take a punch and in order to show that he’s not, he’ll do something spectacularly stupid or dangerous with no consideration to the consequences.

IMO it’s that Trump sent the signal that it’s okay to target people for assassinations like that. I’m not saying that this was coordinated with Iran but that Trump’s policy made it easy for the Taliban to think they could do this.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:41:35am

re: #87 jaunte

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there’s no privilege anyway
it’s in a book
unless you block publication you can’t claim he can’t testify to what he’s going to publish

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lawhawk  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:43:56am

re: #102 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yup. That too - but Trump will try to make the Iran-Taliban connection and his cronies are ignorant enough to feed him the intel to make that connection even if there’s no proof.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:44:52am

re: #96 Florida Panhandler

I am so sick of lazy labels that have had their goalposts moved so far to the right over the years. Today’s self-described “moderates” are ok with Union bashing and building border walls and concentration camps when 30 years ago these would have been exclusively far right love interests.

Lazy labeling is just another tool in the deep weapon box Republicans can use in this country now. Democrats have facts, truth, and evidence on their side- things relentlessly attacked and swept aside by the constant 24/7 fear industry feeding a White Entitlement grievance machine.

It takes time and effort to actually ask and answer individual policy metrics to gauge political tendencies. Poll after poll reveals a far more “liberal” population when asked for individual policy decisions. But lazy labels are easier to ask and digest in our fast food media climate.

+1 for lazy labeling

I’m gonna start using that

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:48:29am

re: #93 Belafon

Thinking about it, I’m pretty sure moderate is meaning “white male.”

Amy comes under that classification too — definitely a “moderate”.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:51:11am

re: #104 lawhawk

Yup. That too - but Trump will try to make the Iran-Taliban connection and his cronies are ignorant enough to feed him the intel to make that connection even if there’s no proof.

Oh yeah he certainly will do that.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:51:59am

As the diary says, All things considered, NPR should totally steal this brilliant fundraising idea (go look at the bag).

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 27, 2020 • 6:59:13am

re: #103 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)

there’s no privilege anyway
it’s in a book
unless you block publication you can’t claim he can’t testify to what he’s going to publish

They could have claimed that this was covered under executive privilege and forced him to remove it from the book. Could this have been their strategy but someone in the administration who disagreed with the policy released the text before it could have been redacted?

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:04:07am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:05:42am

re: #109 Hecuba’s daughter

They could have claimed that this was covered under executive privilege and forced him to remove it from the book. Could this have been their strategy but someone in the administration who disagreed with the policy released the text before it could have been redacted?

Isn’t the Ukraine conspiracy what Bolton referred to as a “drug deal”? I doubt he’d comments related to that to be redacted out of a book that is essentially him spilling the beans on something he disliked after the potential political damage had been bypassed due to not testifying.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:09:53am

How much time do they need to get their campaign polling done?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:10:33am

re: #110 jaunte

“Off-the-rails wrong”, but I’ll still vote for him!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:10:55am

re: #112 jaunte

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How much time do they need to get their campaign polling done?

They’re waiting on the latest data from Frank Luntz’s focus groups.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:11:18am

re: #113 GlutenFreeJesus

That was in September; they lead their audience along bit by bit.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:13:24am

re: #115 jaunte

That was in September; they lead their audience along bit by bit.

Today they’re calling Bolton a snitch. Really could it be any more obvious today that the whole email shit was fake rage designed to weaken HRC as a nominee? All the while they’re fine with much worse behavior by people in the executive branch if it helps them.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:15:37am

esquire.com

Good article on Esquire which is why I don’t want to hear Never-Trump conservatives act like Reagan and Reagan’s guys never would do what Trump does to the press. Reagan was really in some ways Trump with more able advisers.

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makeitstop  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:17:42am

Graham rolls out a remix of ‘Witness Swap’…

Not getting the Bidens, dude. Not happening.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:19:24am

re: #118 makeitstop

Graham rolls out a remix of ‘Witness Swap’…

Not getting the Bidens, dude. Not happening.

And the Bidens aren’t a relevant witness to this. Fucking Graham knows this though but he’s just a pathetic lackey who latched on to the Trump wagon after McCain died.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:25:10am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:25:58am

re: #116 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Today they’re calling Bolton a snitch. Really could it be any more obvious today that the whole email shit was fake rage designed to weaken HRC as a nominee? All the while they’re fine with much worse behavior by people in the executive branch if it helps them.

The kicker is that I wouldn’t put it past Bolton to perjure himself if brought in as a witness.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:27:25am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:29:30am

re: #122 jaunte

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Romney would make sense.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:35:49am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Or even worse [4:20]

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People are getting a bit bitey.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:37:38am

Just waiting for the next Nuremberg Rally where Shittler really goes off the rails…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:39:03am

re: #125 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just waiting for the next Nuremberg Rally where Shittler really goes off the rails…

I’m sure of it.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:39:09am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:42:13am

An E-11A is a Bombardier Global Express (6000) business jet, convert to serve in the ‘Battlefield Airborne Communications Node’ role
Basically serves as a re-transmission source for multiple communication channels, to allow line of sight communications to a vast array of transmitters and receivers simultaneously

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:42:40am

re: #127 jaunte

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Still pushing the bs narrative that Trump is a dove, I see.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:45:39am

re: #129 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Still pushing the bs narrative that Trump is a dove, I see.

He is against war fought for standard geopolitical reasons — preventing genocide, assisting allies, attacking enemies of our nation. But to help him stay in power? He would burn half the world.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:47:04am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:47:50am

re: #130 Hecuba’s daughter

He is against war fought for standard geopolitical reasons — preventing genocide, assisting allies, attacking enemies of our nation. But to help him stay in power? He would burn half the world.

He’s not a Wilsonian which makes idiots think he’s not a hawk. People need to stop viewing FP in terms of doves and hawks.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:49:13am

re: #120 jaunte

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lawhawk  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:51:39am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:52:47am

A week out of Iowa, Sanders has had a polling surge, apparently at Warren’s expense. However Iowa is very close, so it could resuscitate the campaigns of Warren or Buttigieg, or it could solidify Biden and Sanders as the leaders of the moderate and progressive factions respectively. fivethirtyeight.com’s model of the race doesn’t think much of Bloomberg’s strategy, however his saturation spending to try to make a giant splash on Super Tuesday after skipping the February contests is unique and there may be an opening for him if Biden stumbles in the early going. fivethirtyeight.com

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:55:03am

re: #133 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oh my Mitt, you’re concerned.
///

You and the others *actually* cast the votes to get witnesses, and then I might pay attention to what you blather about.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 7:57:09am

re: #134 lawhawk

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Behold, a man with zero principles except to serve Trump.

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lawhawk  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:00:35am

re: #135 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Bloomberg’s skip of IA and NH reminds me a bunch of Rudy’s attempt to ignore the early states and go all in on FL. That failed spectacularly for Rudy, and I don’t think it’ll be any better for Bloomberg.

I hate that IA and NH lead things off since they’re not representative of the nation as a whole and these states have a pool of fewer people making this decision of about half the population of New York City. IA has 3.2 million and NH has 1.3 million. Both of those states are 90%+ white.

NYC? 8.6 million and incredibly diverse. But NYC votes April 28, which is likely after the nomination has been secured. In fact, most candidates seem to lock things up after Super Tuesday (March 3 this year).

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makeitstop  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:00:39am

I might try to watch this morning’s presser. They might try to blow off the Bolton info, but I don’t think it will work at this point.

The media had better go after these assholes hammer and tongs. If they feel enough pressure to think their jobs are on the line, they’ll reconsider their coverup in a hurry.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:07:22am

re: #138 lawhawk

Bloomberg’s skip of IA and NH reminds me a bunch of Rudy’s attempt to ignore the early states and go all in on FL. That failed spectacularly for Rudy, and I don’t think it’ll be any better for Bloomberg.

I hate that IA and NH lead things off since they’re not representative of the nation as a whole and these states have a pool of fewer people making this decision of about half the population of New York City. IA has 3.2 million and NH has 1.3 million. Both of those states are 90%+ white.

NYC? 8.6 million and incredibly diverse. But NYC votes April 28, which is likely after the nomination has been secured. In fact, most candidates seem to lock things up after Super Tuesday (March 3 this year).

Nevada and South Carolina would be great states to open with. Both have a Democratic electorate that resembles the nation as a whole. But the Iowa Caucus and NH Primary are tradition, relics, & big money rolled into one.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:08:40am

re: #138 lawhawk

Bloomberg’s skip of IA and NH reminds me a bunch of Rudy’s attempt to ignore the early states and go all in on FL. That failed spectacularly for Rudy, and I don’t think it’ll be any better for Bloomberg.

I hate that IA and NH lead things off since they’re not representative of the nation as a whole and these states have a pool of fewer people making this decision of about half the population of New York City. IA has 3.2 million and NH has 1.3 million. Both of those states are 90%+ white.

NYC? 8.6 million and incredibly diverse. But NYC votes April 28, which is likely after the nomination has been secured. In fact, most candidates seem to lock things up after Super Tuesday (March 3 this year).

The late February contests of Nv and SC would be more representative of the nation while still being small enough to allow candidates without a lot of money to compete; they should get the chance to go first.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:09:45am

re: #140 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Nevada and South Carolina would be great states to open with. Both have a Democratic electorate that resembles the nation as a whole. But the Iowa Caucus and NH Primary are tradition, relics, & big money rolled into one.

Beat me to it!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:10:19am

re: #141 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The late February contests of Nv and SC would be more representative of the nation while still being small enough to allow candidates without a lot of money to compete; they should get the chance to go first.

GTMA. And please get rid of the caucuses.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:16:06am

re: #109 Hecuba’s daughter

They could have claimed that this was covered under executive privilege and forced him to remove it from the book. Could this have been their strategy but someone in the administration who disagreed with the policy released the text before it could have been redacted?

right, that’s the only way

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:19:06am

re: #41 Hecuba’s daughter

So weather conditions did not meet the minimum standards for flying and police department had grounded its helicopters.

(Warning: video may start immediately)

I just read this story myself and saw pictures of the crash site over an area that was still heavily covered in fog.

Now, I’m no aviation expert but if I was due to fly in a helicopter and I walked outside and saw fog like THAT I’d be like :”Uhhh, yeah. We’re gonna need to delay or cancel this flight.”

I assume the pilot assured Kobe and the others that it would be fine to fly and they took him at his word because hey, he’s the expert but the implication this could have been easily avoided makes it all the more heartbreaking.

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plansbandc  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:20:45am

This week’s Doctor Who is so good. No spoilers.

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A Cranky One  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:22:10am

So mrs cranky and I were sitting in below freezing temps and snow in Chicago, being depressed about the political situation.

So we said screw this. Hopped on a plane and now we’re here:

This is Puerto Rico.

That feeling when a disaster zone is a way to get away from stress. :-)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:22:52am

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

I just read this story myself and saw pictures of the crash site over an area that was still heavily covered in fog.

Now, I’m no aviation expert but if I was due to fly in a helicopter and I walked outside and saw fog like THAT I’d be like :”Uhhh, yeah. We’re gonna need to delay or cancel this flight.”

I assume the pilot assured Kobe and the others that it would be fine to fly and they took him at his word because hey, he’s the expert but the implication this could have been easily avoidable makes it all the more heartbreaking.

Yeah, you just assume the pilot knows what he’s talking about I imagine. When I flew into Shannon Airport in Ireland some years back, we had to wait a couple hours to land because it was a bit cloudy that morning. So I got to my hotel a little later than I would have thought but safer. Aircraft are a great example of how federal regulations do in fact work. Tragic as this is and it most certainly is not just for the sport of basketball but for humanity as a whole, crashes have gone down because we see that regulating aircraft safety in fact works. There’s no reason why the same logic can’t be applied to firearms which I know is another story.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:24:30am

re: #118 makeitstop

Graham rolls out a remix of ‘Witness Swap’…

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Not getting the Bidens, dude. Not happening.

dude you have the majority - you can do whatever you want - mitch has pointed that out time and again
you dont need permission or ‘a deal’. there is no ‘allow’

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:26:08am

re: #149 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)

dude you have the majority - you can do whatever you want - mitch has pointed that out time and again
you dont need permission or ‘a deal’. there is no ‘allow’

He’s gaslighting. Acting like the burden is on Schiff to allow Bolton to testify. He knows how ignorant the Trump base is.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:27:24am

re: #130 Hecuba’s daughter

He is against war fought for standard geopolitical reasons — preventing genocide, assisting allies, attacking enemies of our nation. But to help him stay in power? He would burn half the world.

he was against the black guy winding down the white guy’s war, based on the deal the white guy made

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:28:14am

re: #130 Hecuba’s daughter

He is against war fought for standard geopolitical reasons — preventing genocide, assisting allies, attacking enemies of our nation. But to help him stay in power? He would burn half the world.

He is against war because it would tank his property values.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:28:29am

re: #131 jaunte

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they do see it
plain as day

they refuse to remove him because that will hurt them

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:29:54am

re: #133 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m assuming they had to call Moscow to coordinate their message.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:30:42am

re: #151 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)

he was against the black guy winding down the white guy’s war, based on the deal the white guy made

The Fox News right’s rewriting itself as critics of the Bush Doctrine is some of the most hilarious revisionism I’ve ever seen.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:31:00am

re: #136 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Oh my Mitt, you’re concerned.
///

You and the others *actually* cast the votes to get witnesses, and then I might pay attention to what you blather about.

as you say
even with today’s blockbuster

they are liars
all of them
i do not believe any one of them
until i see a vote that actually accomplishes something

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:31:26am

re: #153 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)

He might more accurately have phrased it “they refuse to admit.”

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:32:05am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:32:35am

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

I just read this story myself and saw pictures of the crash site over an area that was still heavily covered in fog.

Now, I’m no aviation expert but if I was due to fly in a helicopter and I walked outside and saw fog like THAT I’d be like :”Uhhh, yeah. We’re gonna need to delay or cancel this flight.”

I assume the pilot assured Kobe and the others that it would be fine to fly and they took him at his word because hey, he’s the expert but the implication this could have been easily avoided makes it all the more heartbreaking.

Weather Channel has actually been doing extensive coverage of the crash. They’ve been saying that when the helicopter took off, conditions were significantly better. Something like a 1400 ft ceiling, but degraded rapidly. Possibly leaving the aircraft and pilot in a tough situation. Trying to find a path to proceed, or finding a path to go back.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:33:37am

Oh, a government for the people? Trump destroyed that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:33:38am

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

He is against war because it would tank his property values.

Really the Trump Doctrine if you can call it that is what a lot of people thought the Bush Doctrine was about- self enrichment. I think the Neo-conservatives were wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan in that they ignored a lot of geopolitical, cultural, and economical reality but I don’t think Iraq was done as a means of self-enrichment. I think they really thought and I stress this (wrongly) thought that a Saddam free Iraq would emerge as a stable democracy and it wouldn’t embolden Iraq’s neighbors and the Islamic fundamentalist elements.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:34:22am

re: #160 jaunte

Oh, a government for the people? Trump destroyed that.

The House is still doing its job. Pelosi has proved that you can in fact chew gum and walk at the same time.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:34:52am

re: #157 jaunte

He might more accurately have phrased it “they refuse to admit.”

publicly, sure

i’d love to hear some of the private conversations

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:34:56am

This week is going to be crucial. GOP Senators are starting to waver and eye the exits.

Those with an axe to grind against Drumpf are going to be whispering in the ears of everyone else, egging them on to at the very least not go on camera to back Donnie.

I’ve long predicted that the end for Trump is going to resemble the last 20 minutes of “The Death of Stalin”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:36:22am

re: #159 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Weather Channel has actually been doing extensive coverage of the crash. They’ve been saying that when the helicopter took off, conditions were significantly better. Something like a 1400 ft ceiling, but degraded rapidly. Possibly leaving the aircraft and pilot in a tough situation. Trying to find a path to proceed, or finding a path to go back.

Ugh. Yeah, that’s about a worst case scenario there. Only so much you can do once you’re up in the air.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:37:26am

re: #164 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

This week is going to be crucial. GOP Senators are starting to waver and eye the exits.

Those with an axe to grind against Drumpf are going to be whispering in the ears of everyone else, egging them on to at the very least not go on camera to back Donnie.

I’ve long predicted that the end for Trump is going to resemble the last 20 minutes of “The Death of Stalin”

A bunch of cowards who want Dear Leader not to call them names. Senator Blackburn’s stunt regarding Colonel Vindman was particularly painful to watch. Like I know she’s not a great thinker by any means but the way she went after Vindman and pushed lies and conspiracy bs about him was disgusting.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:38:28am

re: #158 jaunte

We do not prosecute people for thoughts or words. Only for conduct.

bunch of people sit around a table
they talk out loud as they plan to rob a bank
never write anything down
never leave the room

i think that’s a conspiracy - you know a secret plan to do something illegal
(ianal)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:39:31am

So let’s say we get the expected outcome and the Senate acquits Trump by the end of the week without having any trial witnesses.

What is the Democrats next step at that point?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:39:56am

re: #167 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)

bunch of people sit around a table
they talk out loud as they plan to rob a bank
never write anything down
never leave the room

i think that’s a conspiracy - you know a secret plan to do something illegal
(ianal)

I read the comments by the Trumpers on social media and yeah some of them are probably bots stirring up shit but it astounds me how ignorant people are.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:40:09am

re: #159 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Weather Channel has actually been doing extensive coverage of the crash. They’ve been saying that when the helicopter took off, conditions were significantly better. Something like a 1400 ft ceiling, but degraded rapidly. Possibly leaving the aircraft and pilot in a tough situation. Trying to find a path to proceed, or finding a path to go back.

im sorry to say it

famous, valuable, passengers who have to get somewhere can influence as experienced a pilot as this guy probably was

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:40:38am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

So let’s say we get the expected outcome and the Senate acquits Trump by the end of the week without having any trial witnesses.

What is the Democrats next step at that point?

DSCC ad blitz against the Republican majority.

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Jay C  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:41:04am

re: #123 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Romney would make sense.

Why (outside of Mitt’s high profile, that is)?
Of all the GOP Senators, Romney would seem to be one of the LEAST vulnerable to Trumpian bullshit:

1. His seat is safe for another 5 years, by which time Trump may (Dog willing) be long gone.
2. He’s wealthy enough to not to need fundraising help.
3. He has his own power base in Utah who may or may not give a crap about Donald Trump (he won his Senatorial election 71-29%, hardly “vulnerable”).

So what’s Romney’s downside for “turning” on Trump? A barrage of Internet abuse? Mitch McConnell putting him on the Senate shitlist? Getting pushed to back-of-the-house seats at DC power restaurants?

Of course, this doesn’t mean he WILL do anything contrary to Trump’s interests, just that if any Republican Senator seems insulated from any blowback, it’s Mitt.
My $0.02

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:43:44am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

So let’s say we get the expected outcome and the Senate acquits Trump by the end of the week without having any trial witnesses.

What is the Democrats next step at that point?

I thought we had planned for that. The real surprise would be witnesses and a conviction.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:45:18am

re: #172 Jay C

Why (outside of Mitt’s high profile, that is)?
Of all the GOP Senators, Romney would seem to be one of the LEAST vulnerable to Trumpian bullshit:

1. His seat is safe for another 5 years, by which time Trump may (Dog willing) be long gone.
2. He’s wealthy enough to not to need fundraising help.
3. He has his own power base in Utah who may or may not give a crap about Donald Trump (he won his Senatorial election 71-29%, hardly “vulnerable”).

So what’s Romney’s downside for “turning” on Trump? A barrage of Internet abuse? Mitch McConnell putting him on the Senate shitlist? Getting pushed to back-of-the-house seats at DC power restaurants?

Of course, this doesn’t mean he WILL do anything contrary to Trump’s interests, just that if any Republican Senator seems insulated from any blowback, it’s Mitt.
My $0.02

Well it doesn’t make strategic sense but it’s Trump. I think Trump will go after Mitt. I one don’t think Trump respects Mitt and on that I actually share Trump’s opinion. Two, I think Trump will frame Mitt as a loser because Romney lost to Obama and Trump is convinced he would have too and he loves to act like his victory over Clinton gives him credibility over any failed nominee, Three, Mitt is the perfect foil for his base that hates the GOP old guard even though a lot of the GOP old guard i.e. McConnell, Barr, and others in fact have been protecting him.

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Teukka  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:45:19am

re: #43 Dr Lizardo

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OK, I just can’t resist posting this, though I’m well aware we’re nowhere near this level of disaster.

Well, not yet, at least.

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Video

Another one that comes to mind is Babylon 5’s “Confessions and Lamentations” [S02E18].

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:45:20am

re: #158 jaunte

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So Victoria crawled out from the bunker she was hiding in and Joe still won’t come out…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:48:43am

re: #173 Belafon

I thought we had planned for that. The real surprise would be witnesses and a conviction.

Really show clips of Graham laughing the whole thing off and McConnell saying he was going to coordinate with the WH. Also show Senator Blackburn attacking Colonel Vindman’s patriotism. I cannot stress this enough. More people want Donald Trump removed from office than ever did Clinton or Nixon. The GOP Senate’s cowardice be dmaned, the American people are not going to just forget an acquittal especially with a guy like Trump who will remind them why he needed to be impeached or at least considered for impeachment in the first place. And don’t ignore the fact that Bondy (Parnas’ lawyer) could still drop more.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:50:57am

re: #148 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah, you just assume the pilot knows what he’s talking about I imagine. When I flew into Shannon Airport in Ireland some years back, we had to wait a couple hours to land because it was a bit cloudy that morning. So I got to my hotel a little later than I would have thought but safer. Aircraft are a great example of how federal regulations do in fact work. Tragic as this is and it most certainly is not just for the sport of basketball but for humanity as a whole, crashes have gone down because we see that regulating aircraft safety in fact works. There’s no reason why the same logic can’t be applied to firearms which I know is another story.

No kidding. I own 6 guns. I bought them with no concession to regulation other than a perfunctory background check. Even that wasn’t required on one of them ( a gift from my brother) though we did it anyway. Contrast this with the training, vetting, physical examinations, check rides, reviews, renewals, updates and sundry other hoops I have jumped through to become a pilot and remain one for 53 years. Nobody begrudges that, since reckless or incompetent pilots still kill themselves and others from time to time. Suggest even an extension of the firearms background check, though, and mobs of armed fascists literally swarm into the street.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:51:17am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:51:52am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

So let’s say we get the expected outcome and the Senate acquits Trump by the end of the week without having any trial witnesses.

What is the Democrats next step at that point?

i expect lots more stuff to drip drip drip out for quite some time

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:53:14am

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

No kidding. I own 6 guns. I bought them with no concession to regulation other than a perfunctory background check. Even that wasn’t required on one of them ( a gift from my brother) though we did it anyway. Contrast this with the training, vetting, physical examinations, check rides, reviews, renewals, updates and sundry other hoops I have jumped through to become a pilot and remain one for 53 years. Nobody begrudges that, since reckless or incompetent pilots still kill themselves and others from time to time. Suggest even an extension of the firearms background check, though, and mobs of armed fascists literally swarm into the street.

I’ve used the same arguments in regards to automobiles too. This really to me is another example of how modern libertarianism is an ideology birthed out of people who have no idea about why we have the policies we do. It makes me want to laugh so hard when I see some of my libertarian friends and acquaintances mocking the reformers on the left for their ideas when they’re even more pie in the sky about their ideas.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:55:07am

But it’s easier to shout out abstract bullshit about how regulations are tyranny, that taxation is theft, and shit like that. Libertarians are the Marxists albeit with a different delusion. I keep on going back to this but economic rigidness as an ideology is never good no matter what your economic ideology of choice

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Teukka  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:56:08am

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:56:33am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:57:41am

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:57:48am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:58:29am

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

No kidding. I own 6 guns. I bought them with no concession to regulation other than a perfunctory background check. Even that wasn’t required on one of them ( a gift from my brother) though we did it anyway. Contrast this with the training, vetting, physical examinations, check rides, reviews, renewals, updates and sundry other hoops I have jumped through to become a pilot and remain one for 53 years. Nobody begrudges that, since reckless or incompetent pilots still kill themselves and others from time to time. Suggest even an extension of the firearms background check, though, and mobs of armed fascists literally swarm into the street.

re: #181 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

while you’re both of course right the response is simple:

guns are in the constitushun

and as you opined back in 2016 or so (which brought me to become visible here at lgf)

“Any attempt at gun control, no matter how modest or reasonable, will fail because of the pervasive nature of the conspiracy theory that underlies practically all right wing thinking on the issue.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:58:50am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s been a long three years. I’m just looking forward to the lights coming on once again so to speak.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 8:59:51am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:00:06am

re: #185 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump as POTUS during a pandemic?

Yeah, it’s gonna be just like that vid I posted earlier today - the opening credits to Zack Snyder’s Dawn of the Dead remake.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:00:18am

re: #166 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

A bunch of cowards who want Dear Leader not to call them names. Senator Blackburn’s stunt regarding Colonel Vindman was particularly painful to watch. Like I know she’s not a great thinker by any means but the way she went after Vindman and pushed lies and conspiracy bs about him was disgusting.

Pretty much. It’s all about fear. There was never any love or admiration for Stalin or Beria.

Just fear.

And the second - the split-second - that people stop being scared … that is the moment when they look out of the corners of their eyes at each other, and silently communicate, “So. We doing this?”

And then it’s done.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:00:21am

re: #187 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)

while you’re both of course right the response is simple:

guns are in the constitushun

and as you opined back in 2016 or so (which brought me to become visible here at lgf)

Oh that’s absolutely it. It’s just agh so frustrating. And you know what? The motherfuckers contradict themselves. What the NRA proposed in the aftermath of Columbine is something they now act like is Stalinism. They have no principles. The gun lobby isn’t protecting the rights of gun owners. They’re for the firearms industry.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:00:45am

Frum is taking a bunch of Bernie Bro outrage this morning.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:00:47am
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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:01:01am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

I honestly never thought that a group of politicians could be this cowardly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:02:06am

re: #191 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Pretty much. It’s all about fear. There was never any love or admiration for Stalin or Beria.

Just fear.

And the second - the split-second - that people stop being scared … that is the moment when they look out of the corners of their eyes at each other, and silently communicate, “So. We doing this?”

And then it’s done.

There were high profile elected Republicans that stood up to McCarthy and Nixon. Where are the ones for Trump? It’s a party of political cowards who stand not for principle but for a demagogue prick who had no business being elected in the first place.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:03:03am

re: #193 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Frum is taking a bunch of Bernie Bro outrage this morning.

I’m not seeing how he’s wrong with that take. Of course, Frum will be attacked given his past associations and views and that’s not necessarily wrong but it’s also not necessarily wrong that Bernie’s economic rigidity isn’t good for the country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:03:56am
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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:04:45am

re: #194 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is the seventh impeachment trial in the Senate since Mitch McConnell first became a Senator in 1985. I wonder how many times before this that he’s been in favor of live witnesses?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:05:27am

re: #195 KGxvi

I honestly never thought that a group of politicians could be this cowardly.

There really have been so many profiles of cowardice by the GOPers in Congress. It’s going to be a thick tome one day. A good starting point would be, Cruz, Ted who has stood by the man who mocked his wife’s looks and called his Dad a murderer. And yeah I know Ted went after Melania too so Ted’s not innocent but the way he stands with Trump after Trump claimed his Dad, his Dad who is an asshole birther religious fanatic nutjob killed JFK was disturbing. I wonder how Thanksgiving was at the Cruz family’s home that year.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:05:41am

re: #196 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

There were high profile elected Republicans that stood up to McCarthy and Nixon. Where are the ones for Trump? It’s a party of political cowards who stand not for principle but for a demagogue prick who had no business being elected in the first place.

If it was just Trump, who they all loathe, it wouldn’t be a problem.

Thing is, Trump has Fox News on his side. At some point, some bright boy is going to figure out that if they threaten Rupert Murdoch’s sacred profit margin, they can bring him to heel. It would take a united front, but there have to be more than a few GOP types who are sick & tired of having to dance the Fox News durr-hurr-hurr shitshow for the yokels, just to feed Rupert’s ratings.

It’s like being on Hee-Haw on an endless loop. But with more race hate.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:07:17am

re: #201 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

If it was just Trump, who they all loathe, it wouldn’t be a problem.

Thing is, Trump has Fox News on his side. At some point, some bright boy is going to figure out that if they threaten Rupert Murdoch’s sacred profit margin, they can bring him to heel. It would take a united front, but there have to be more than a few GOP types who are sick & tired of having to dance the Fox News durr-hurr-hurr shitshow for the yokels, just to feed Rupert’s ratings.

It’s like being on Hee-Haw on an endless loop. But with more race hate.

Yeah FNC. We often say that the GOP is its political arm and honestly it’s not wrong. Trump often tweets out in response to what he says from FNC and Trump is clearly interested in what benefits his cronies and not the country and world as a whole as we heard on those Parnas tapes. I felt so sick after listening to the Parnas tapes and then reading Seth Abramson who know a lot more than I do break it down.

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Teukka  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:09:21am

News this side of the pond:

SIX MONTHS PRISON FOR KNOWN NAZIST

The NHG reported the person for far more incitement against people group than 21, but unfortunately the police’s hate crime department could not investigate all the reports but only a part. We may, therefore, be allowed to return to this if the prosecutor may later prosecute him for those crimes as well.
FOUR OF SIX MONTHS WAS FOR HATE SPEECH
Four of the six sentenced months are for the 21 crimes against the group’s crimes. Two months were for the offenses directed at three persons. People who are often involved in the social debate and who the accused wanted to silence by pursuing the plaintiffs with hundreds of SMS’s.
penalty
The penalty value is what is interesting and the district court explains a little more elaborately than usual about this in the judgment. We include the district court’s reasoning and publish excerpts from the judgment in the pictures below.
Molestations
As far as the offenses are concerned, it is gratifying to see that the district court included in the assessment that it was a crime in order to silence and pacify the plaintiffs and therefore punishable.
This when the defendant, according to the district court: “Intended to influence the free debate by trying to silence those who have a different opinion than him”
And that in at least one of the cases it was also considered a hate crime when it was targeted at someone because of their Jewish background.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:09:42am

That was then, this is now!!

What’s the next line they’re going to trot out?

—Trump didn’t do it

—OK he did do it, but it wasn’t a crime

—OK, it was a crime, but everybody does it

—SQUIRREL!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:11:16am

re: #204 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

That was then, this is now!!

What’s the next line they’re going to trot out?

—Trump didn’t do it

—OK he did do it, but it wasn’t a crime

—OK, it was a crime, but everybody does it

—SQUIRREL!

- FAKE NEWS

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:13:31am

What I’d really like to see, is the Democrats as a unified force, coming out with the line of “fabricating evidence against a political rival.”

Really push that what Trump wanted was for Ukraine to just make up bullshit that he could then use to sling mud at Biden. Hammer that point. Hammer home that Trump didn’t give two shits about actual corruption, he just wanted Ukraine to make shit up that he and Fox could then squawk about, over and over again, like Hilary’s emails.

Two benefits to this: 1) it exposes how Trump’s claims about corruption are hollow and useless

2) it inoculates the media against the shitstorm that’s coming, where Trump & Fox try to once again seize on some made-up bullshit to smear the Democratic nominee.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:13:41am

re: #204 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

That was then, this is now!!

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What’s the next line they’re going to trot out?

—Trump didn’t do it

—OK he did do it, but it wasn’t a crime

—OK, it was a crime, but everybody does it

—SQUIRREL!

Trump: I have no idea who John Bolton is. Never met him.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:14:07am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:17:04am

re: #174 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Picking on Mitt also makes sense to the GOP since you can toss a shitstorm at him which won’t actually threaten his ability to hold onto the seat.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:17:52am

re: #209 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Picking on Mitt also makes sense to the GOP since you can toss a shitstorm at him which won’t actually threaten his ability to hold onto the seat.

Absolutely.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:20:00am

Yo, lawhawk.

Does this constitute a waiver of Executive Privilege?

It’ll come down to whether or not Twitter is a viable channel for such a waiver to take place. But I think it kinda is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:21:27am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:22:24am

If Trump *did* just waive Executive Privilege by tweeting out the details of their conversations, that would mean that any attempt to block Bolton’s testimony would be fast-tracked by a filing to the Supreme Court that the privilege was waived, without having to take time for briefs, etc.

That would be a real torpedo to the Trump case.

What else does Bolton know, and is prepared to say? The more that Trump & Fox rough him up right now, the more vindictive that irascible shitbird is going to be.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:22:36am

re: #211 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Yo, lawhawk.

Does this constitute a waiver of Executive Privilege?

It’ll come down to whether or not Twitter is a viable channel for such a waiver to take place. But I think it kinda is.

If you make your statement public, it doesn’t matter where it came from. He stood on a street corner and shouted it to anyone who would listen.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:25:42am

re: #211 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Yo, lawhawk.

Does this constitute a waiver of Executive Privilege?

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It’ll come down to whether or not Twitter is a viable channel for such a waiver to take place. But I think it kinda is.

Well, Trump has already established that he thinks can use Twitter as a means to officially notify Congress of things.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:25:52am

Well, I guess that’s one way to deal with an invasive species.
Call in a mob of rednecks, and offer prizes
80 snakes over 10 days seems on par with most redneck tales.
Seriously less productive than promised

Hunters put the squeeze on 80 snakes in Florida’s Python Bowl - via CNN

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:26:12am

“”precious souls who perished…”

not a believer anymore, but I’m pretty certain that souls are immortal, thus can not “perish”

of course, he did not write this:

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:27:13am

re: #192 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Oh that’s absolutely it. It’s just agh so frustrating. And you know what? The motherfuckers contradict themselves. What the NRA proposed in the aftermath of Columbine is something they now act like is Stalinism. They have no principles. The gun lobby isn’t protecting the rights of gun owners. They’re for the firearms industry.

not even the firearms industry
the gun lobby is a source of political fund raising. nothing more

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:28:07am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

“”precious souls who perished…”

not a believer anymore, but I’m pretty certain that souls are immortal, thus can not “perish”

of course, he did not write this:

It’s easy as hell to tell when he doesn’t write it. Because it’s someone trying to sound somber. Honestly, I could deal with a tweet like this even if it’s wrong about the concept of a soul if Trump weren’t constantly acting like he’s one of the most victimized people in history. It makes tweets like this hollow so I wish Ivanka would stop it already.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:29:20am

re: #195 KGxvi

I honestly never thought that a group of politicians could be this cowardly.

i always knew that politicians were this dishonest, craven, two-faced, etc.

like you, I never thought so many would/could coalesce at one time and thus have some actual power to wield

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:29:26am

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Also fuck any right winger who thinks the lesson of Auschwitz is about gun confiscation laws. It’s about the dangers of ethno-nationalism and militarism, which last I checked are two cornerstones of right wing ideology here in the 21st century. Not to mention the fact that the Nazis in fact made guns easy to obtain for “Aryans” and used militias to round up people.

Jesus would not have been crucified if he and his disciples had been properly armed…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:29:30am

re: #218 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)

not even the firearms industry
the gun lobby is a source of political fund raising. nothing more

Yeah that’s true. Nearly every election I can remember I’ve had to hear people who also brag about how many guns tehy own insist the Dems are coming for their guns. Barack Obama’s election was a huge gift to that industry. It’s all a giant scam to encourage people to be scared and vote Republican. Meanwhile their hero Reagan unlike Obama actually did limit gun rights but you never hear that from the Reagan mythologists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:29:33am

re: #219 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s easy as hell to tell when he doesn’t write it. Because it’s someone trying to sound somber. Honestly, I could deal with a tweet like this even if it’s wrong about the concept of a soul if Trump weren’t constantly acting like he’s one of the most victimized people in history. It makes tweets like this hollow so I wish Ivanka would stop it already.

did you take a look at the banner on that memorial wreath?
good fucking grief

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:30:13am

re: #221 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jesus would not have been crucified if he and his disciples had been properly armed…

Yeah I’ve seen them argue that even though their theology says that Jesus was supposed to be crucified so I don’t get it.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:30:20am

re: #213 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

If Trump *did* just waive Executive Privilege by tweeting out the details of their conversations, that would mean that any attempt to block Bolton’s testimony would be fast-tracked by a filing to the Supreme Court that the privilege was waived, without having to take time for briefs, etc.

That would be a real torpedo to the Trump case.

What else does Bolton know, and is prepared to say? The more that Trump & Fox rough him up right now, the more vindictive that irascible shitbird is going to be.

I wonder if that leads to a Jacksonian-like “Well Roberts and company made the decision, let’s see them enforce it.” response. Having the AG in pocket and part of the conspiracy just allows further blocks to be thrown in the way.

And I doubt the House can, and the Senate will cooperate with, impeaching Barr as AG. Which, even if done, will not fix things since Trump can install another hack as the interim AG and continue to refuse cooperation.

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William Lewis  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:30:21am

re: #213 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Roberts won’t let that happen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:30:31am

re: #113 GlutenFreeJesus

“Off-the-rails wrong”, but I’ll still vote for him!

who needs railroads, anyways?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:30:49am

re: #213 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

If Trump *did* just waive Executive Privilege by tweeting out the details of their conversations, that would mean that any attempt to block Bolton’s testimony would be fast-tracked by a filing to the Supreme Court that the privilege was waived, without having to take time for briefs, etc.

That would be a real torpedo to the Trump case.

What else does Bolton know, and is prepared to say? The more that Trump & Fox rough him up right now, the more vindictive that irascible shitbird is going to be.

And if the SCOTUS did rule that Trump just waived Executive Privilege (via Twitter….LOLOL) I might well laugh myself into a hernia, because Trump will have completely fucked himself owing entirely to his inability to know when to STFU.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:31:04am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

did you take a look at the banner on that memorial wreath?
good fucking grief

Yes, once again he forgets he represents our country.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:31:05am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

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subpoena it
put it in the record
then no one needs to buy it
takes the “he’s only doing it for the money” argument out of it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:32:25am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:34:33am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah Joe Rogan’s endorsement is good but John Lewis was a neo-lib establishment shill for backing HRC. I really fucking hate the Bros for what they’re doing to the left. And as much as I like Warren, I think she was a little too eager to play nice with them since she has some policy intersection with Bernie on economics. I’m not saying she enabled them but these folks aren’t democratic. They’re assholes who just want their free health care, debts wiped out but don’t you dare try to ask for social equality under the law because that would upset their fragile egos.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:35:43am

If Joe Rogan’s endorsement means more to you than someone like Dolores Huerta or John Lewis, people who have actually bled for causes, then yeah I don’t want to be lectured by you about how you’re the real abrirter of what a progressive is in the 21st century because you ain’t.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:35:57am

re: #206 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

What I’d really like to see, is the Democrats as a unified force, coming out with the line of “fabricating evidence against a political rival.”

Really push that what Trump wanted was for Ukraine to just make up bullshit that he could then use to sling mud at Biden. Hammer that point. Hammer home that Trump didn’t give two shits about actual corruption, he just wanted Ukraine to make shit up that he and Fox could then squawk about, over and over again, like Hilary’s emails.

Two benefits to this: 1) it exposes how Trump’s claims about corruption are hollow and useless

2) it inoculates the media against the shitstorm that’s coming, where Trump & Fox try to once again seize on some made-up bullshit to smear the Democratic nominee.

they are doing that but not clearly and forcefully

they got some of the points down cold
- “used the power of his office to extort a foreign government for his personal political gain”
- A, B, C, abuse, betrayal, corruption
- they’re even using the one word “cover-up” in relation to the senate - to their faces
etc

as to the ‘investigation ‘of the bidens, burisma, and 2016”, they keep saying debunked by our own intelligence and fake and conspiracy theory w/r/t ukraine and 2016 etc, but you’re right, they havent distilled it down to a clear bumper sticker yet

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:36:27am

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump: I have no idea who John Bolton is. Never met him.

this would be funny if it werent so sad
and predictable
and possible

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BeachDem  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:36:35am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

did you take a look at the banner on that memorial wreath?
good fucking grief

And that pic is 3 years old…

President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump, joined by members of the U.S. delegation, visit Yad Vashem, Tuesday, May 23, 2017, in Jerusalem. (Official White House Photo by Shealah Craighead)

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Jay C  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:37:09am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

did you take a look at the banner on that memorial wreath?
good fucking grief

OK: not to want to even seem to defend The Orange Anus for anything, but that wreath is in an old picture: the caption says it was at Yad Vashem 5/23/2017: though yeah, I can’t imagine any other POTUS than The Asshole making his name so prominent on as serious a memorial.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:37:12am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:37:18am

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

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+1

the presidency is not a goddamn demolition derby

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:38:16am

re: #236 BeachDem

And that pic is 3 years old…

President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump, joined by members of the U.S. delegation, visit Yad Vashem, Tuesday, May 23, 2017, in Jerusalem. (Official White House Photo by Shealah Craighead)

Good find. Jesus Christ.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:38:47am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wish i had a bigger change purse

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:39:27am

re: #236 BeachDem

re: #237 Jay C

he’s so cheap he can’t be bothered to get a new one

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:40:10am

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sure you saw my tweet with my photo from my visit to Auschwitz. Kaine gets it. Obama gets it. Pretty much every other politician untainted by Trump gets it. That not everything is about them.

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makeitstop  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:43:55am

I think that Democrats should start baiting Trump, implying that he’s too scared/too impaired/too stupid to testify.

I’d bet they could goad him into making the mistake of his life.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:45:11am

re: #228 Dr Lizardo

And if the SCOTUS did rule that Trump just waived Executive Privilege (via Twitter….LOLOL) I might well laugh myself into a hernia, because Trump will have completely fucked himself owing entirely to his inability to know when to STFU.

Apparently, Mulvaney just fucked himself as well.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:45:12am

re: #229 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yes, once again he forgets he represents our country.

1 - he doesn’t forget
2 - he doesnt

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:45:23am

re: #244 makeitstop

I think that Democrats should start baiting Trump, implying that he’s too scared/too impaired/too stupid to testify.

I’d bet they could goad him into making the mistake of his life.

Need a catchy slogan or hashtag
#TimidTrump

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:45:45am

re: #245 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Apparently, Mulvaney just fucked himself as well.

To quote Deepthroat, these guys aren’t very smart.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:47:08am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

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if you think sanders ‘reached’ Rogan (and all that implies) and that this isnt something else entirely, then seek help, stay away from hot surfaces and sharp objects.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:49:40am

re: #247 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Need a catchy slogan or hashtag
#TimidTrump

#weaktrump
#bwaktrump

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makeitstop  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:50:56am

This happened in Lower Manhattan yesterday.

Love my New Yorkers.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:52:35am

re: #250 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)

#weaktrump
#bwaktrump

#CowardlyDonny

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:52:51am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:53:40am

re: #245 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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Apparently, Mulvaney just fucked himself as well.

It really is Stupid Watergate.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:54:30am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Then what do you want?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2020 • 9:55:02am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 27, 2020 • 10:01:28am

Hanging in the Indy airport. I’ve spent so much of my life in Indiana that it feels oddly like home, though I was visiting my parents in Illinois this weekend. I drove through Danville, Il to get here this morning. Danville once had a relatively strong industrial base, but no more. Danville gave us Gene Hackman, Dick and Jerry Van Dyke, Donald O’Connor, and Bobby Short. It was union and blue collar, but I suspect it was strongly pro-Nixon back in the day. Now it looks like a place where they vote Trump and celebrate “liberal tears.” A lot of similar communities in Indiana, too. There’s no point in interviewing them now in diners. The incubation period was in the late 1960s. We’re all “real Americans.” As a scruffy middle-aged white guy, I can blend in easily. I suggest to the media that you can find people like me in places like Danville who would vote for Warren or perhaps Klobuchar. Look for those people to interview. What challenges do they face? How can they convince their neighbors to stop voting against their own self-interest. That’s the story.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 27, 2020 • 10:07:25am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

So let’s say we get the expected outcome and the Senate acquits Trump by the end of the week without having any trial witnesses.

What is the Democrats next step at that point?

Hammer swing state GOP Senators facing the voters this year with ads about them voting for a sham trial.

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BeachDem  Jan 27, 2020 • 10:09:13am

re: #245 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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Apparently, Mulvaney just fucked himself as well.

His mind/body was elsewhere, at least over the weekend, as in Mulvaney was in Myrtle Beach to give a fucking ALEC award to my asshole state rep.


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