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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:49:11am

Good lord. I have Trumpista FB friends (longtime IRL work colleagues I’ve known since long before) who are going back and forth right now about how Trump never tweeted anything about Kansas last night and it’s all a media hoax.

Is there any bottom to this?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:52:37am

re: #1 i(m)p(each)sos

Good lord. I have Trumpista FB friends (longtime IRL work colleagues I’ve known since long before) who are going back and forth right now about how Trump never tweeted anything about Kansas last night and it’s all a media hoax.

Is there any bottom to this?

I can no longer tell the difference between bot, troll, and true believing Trumper They really think any criticism of things he’s actually done is fake and that “We shut up when Obama was President and didn’t complain.” The amount of people in this country who are committed to this cult is just surreal. I’m actually optimistic about beating him in November. Less so about how the healing will be since Trump along with right wing media and Trump political allies have created this cult.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:57:09am

re: #1 i(m)p(each)sos

Good lord. I have Trumpista FB friends (longtime IRL work colleagues I’ve known since long before) who are going back and forth right now about how Trump never tweeted anything about Kansas last night and it’s all a media hoax.

Is there any bottom to this?

My thought on this particular thing is this:
1. We should expect the president to know at least the major geography of the US.
2. We do all make mistakes, and sometimes learn something that lots of other people knew.
3. He corrected himself.
4. It would have been better if he had added an “I goofed” tweet, but that might have been lost in the storm.

In the grand scheme, I’m way more angry about children in cages and his upcoming attempts to gut Medicaid.

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rhuarc  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:58:59am

re: #1 i(m)p(each)sos

Good lord. I have Trumpista FB friends (longtime IRL work colleagues I’ve known since long before) who are going back and forth right now about how Trump never tweeted anything about Kansas last night and it’s all a media hoax.

Is there any bottom to this?

I ran across one of these via a friend’s post on FB. Their case rests on the screenshots of the 2 tweets with the times in them. The incorrect tweet shows a time that is AFTER the tweet of the corrected message. These idiots apparently don’t understand how timezones work with the Twitter dates.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:00:06am

re: #3 Belafon

Considering that the right wing howlers made 57 states an ongoing thing re: Obama, the media should focus on Trump’s incessant inability to identify basic geography about anything anywhere. He is incurious and doesn’t care.

At the same time, I do agree that there are more important things, like say Trump’s gutting of CDC pandemic prevention programs by cutting the budget and cutting the CDC budget significantly from just 2 years ago. We are less prepared to deal with crises, and he and the GOP just don’t care.

They’d rather build walls that crash down in a light breeze or put kids in cages and separate them from their families because bigots gotta bigot.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:00:43am

re: #3 Belafon

My thought on this particular thing is this:
1. We should expect the president to know at least the major geography of the US.
2. We do all make mistakes, and sometimes learn something that lots of other people knew.
3. He corrected himself.
4. It would have been better if he had added an “I goofed” tweet, but that might have been lost in the storm.

In the grand scheme, I’m way more angry about children in cages and his upcoming attempts to gut Medicaid.

I mean if he could be the slightest bit self-depreciating, it probably would be shrugged off a little easier but because he has his propagandists doubling down on it, it makes it more amplified. In the end, I’m voting against Trump because of the kids in cages and not because of his ignorance of geography but when I have to hear that his ignorance of geography is actually a virtue or how “he really meant both Kansas City”, it’s exhausting.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:01:34am

re: #4 rhuarc

I ran across one of these via a friend’s post on FB. Their case rests on the screenshots of the 2 tweets with the times in them. The incorrect tweet shows a time that is AFTER the tweet of the corrected message. These idiots apparently don’t understand how timezones work with the Twitter dates.

This isn’t even that sophisticated. It’s literally just a screenshot of the corrected tweet.

“Nuh-uh, he never said KANSAS. It says MISSOURI. Duh.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:03:05am

re: #5 lawhawk

Considering that the right wing howlers made 57 states an ongoing thing re: Obama, the media should focus on Trump’s incessant inability to identify basic geography about anything anywhere. He is incurious and doesn’t care.

At the same time, I do agree that there are more important things, like say Trump’s gutting of CDC pandemic prevention programs by cutting the budget and cutting the CDC budget significantly from just 2 years ago. We are less prepared to deal with crises, and he and the GOP just don’t care.

They’d rather build walls that crash down in a light breeze or put kids in cages and separate them from their families because bigots gotta bigot.

They twisted everything Obama said into make him out to be this snob who had no understanding of Middle America. If you read Obama’s memoir, you will learn that he is as much a product of his mother’s family as he is his father’s. Obama understands “real America” better than Trump ever will.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:03:10am

My hope for the closing arguments is that the Democrats call out all the Republican lies during the “hearing” No if, and, or buts as they say. The republicans lied about secret hearings and brought up other conspiracies. If It was up to me, I would also cal out the chief justice for letting it pass. WE should have no more fucks to give.

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Interesting Times  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:05:00am

re: #7 i(m)p(each)sos

This isn’t even that sophisticated. It’s literally just a screenshot of the corrected tweet.

“Nuh-uh, he never said KANSAS. It says MISSOURI. Duh.”

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:06:00am

re: #10 Interesting Times

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Part of me wants to jump in and start arguing. Most of me knows it’s not worth the keystrokes.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:06:25am

re: #6 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

…, I’m voting against Trump because of the kids in cages and not because of his ignorance of geography {everything} but when I have to hear that his ignorance of geography {everything} is actually a virtue …

and only those elites know stuff. He revels in his lack of knowledge; he commands and the peons do it for him. Hence his inability to understand why his diktats so often fail in the real world (tm).

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:06:51am

So today begins the hysteria about the “first four” primaries, in 4 states that have a total population of @ 12.7 million (under 4% of the US population), represent 25 total electoral votes, and only two of which are even moderately competitive in the presidential election (NH and NV.)

Not sure about the others, but I can tell you that here in SC, while they swarm like locusts before the primaries, not a single candidate will set foot in the state from then on until the general election.

It’s such a farce.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:07:25am

re: #2 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I can no longer tell the difference between bot, troll, and true believing Trumper They really think any criticism of things he’s actually done is fake and that “We shut up when Obama was President and didn’t complain.” The amount of people in this country who are committed to this cult is just surreal. I’m actually optimistic about beating him in November. Less so about how the healing will be since Trump along with right wing media and Trump political allies have created this cult.

There is no real functional difference at this point, much the same way there’s no real functional difference between a true believing racist and one who simply uses it for opportunistic gain. It all perpetuates the same thing in the end.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:09:21am

re: #3 Belafon

You’re right and if the President does NOT know a piece of information, he should have an aide look it up and confirm it for him BEFORE making a public statement.

But Trump never thinks he’s wrong, even when he is and Republicans and his followers and often the media will pretzel themselves to convince us Trump isn’t wrong, even when he is.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:09:32am

re: #14 Citizen K

There is no real functional difference at this point, much the same way there’s no real functional difference between a true believing racist and one who simply uses it for opportunistic gain. It all perpetuates the same thing in the end.

This is a very important point that everyone needs to internalize.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:10:15am

re: #12 Colère Tueur de Lapin

and only those elites know stuff. He revels in his lack of knowledge; he commands and the peons do it for him. Hence his inability to understand why his diktats so often fail in the real world (tm).

I really hope I live long enough to explain this era. Because right now I simply cannot because it’s all so surreal.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:13:06am

re: #13 BeachDem

The entire farce of the primaries is such that New Jersey comes in June after the nominee has been decided in Super Tuesday (where the real make/break occurs).

NJ has 126 delegates. The first 4 states have 155 (54 of which are SC) and are far less representative of the nation as a whole.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:13:12am

re: #14 Citizen K

There is no real functional difference at this point, much the same way there’s no real functional difference between a true believing racist and one who simply uses it for opportunistic gain. It all perpetuates the same thing in the end.

Oh no doubt, I mean I just cannot tell what’s a Russian bot talking point and what’s a Trump one? So much of our political history is being revised slowly before our eyes. It’s why I’m glad that we’re documenting a lot of this on video and on record because no matter what happens this fall, life will go on. It’s just a matter of how. As I said, I’m actually optimistic about beating Trump, I know you disagree and I respectfully do so but where I’m far more cynical is the healing process. Maybe that’s Biden’s end game after all. He really wants to expose by showing good will and faith just how awful the Republicans and right are? I don’t know.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:13:14am

re: #13 BeachDem

So today begins the hysteria about the “first four” primaries, in 4 states that have a total population of @ 12.7 million (under 4% of the US population), represent 25 total electoral votes, and only two of which are even moderately competitive in the presidential election (NH and NV.)

Not sure about the others, but I can tell you that here in SC, while they swarm like locusts before the primaries, not a single candidate will set foot in the state from then on until the general election.

It’s such a farce.

It is, which is what makes the whole “ZOMG! If we abolish the Electoral College, then candidates will only focus on states with huge populations!” bit such a fraking joke.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:14:56am

re: #6 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean if he could be the slightest bit self-depreciating, it probably would be shrugged off a little easier but because he has his propagandists doubling down on it, it makes it more amplified. In the end, I’m voting against Trump because of the kids in cages and not because of his ignorance of geography but when I have to hear that his ignorance of geography is actually a virtue or how “he really meant both Kansas City”, it’s exhausting.

Yes, the justification of “Kansas City is in Kansas, also” is stupid, especially when he changed the tweet.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:15:02am

re: #18 lawhawk

The entire farce of the primaries is such that New Jersey comes in June after the nominee has been decided in Super Tuesday (where the real make/break occurs).

NJ has 126 delegates. The first 4 states have 155 (54 of which are SC) and are far less representative of the nation as a whole.

Maybe make one early primary state based on how its demographics resemble the country as a whole and another based off of a state that was close in the last election. Iowa and New Hampshire aren’t representative of America as a whole.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:15:23am

re: #18 lawhawk

The entire farce of the primaries is such that New Jersey comes in June after the nominee has been decided in Super Tuesday (where the real make/break occurs).

NJ has 126 delegates. The first 4 states have 155 (54 of which are SC) and are far less representative of the nation as a whole.

But you see, if bigger states got to vote early, then the smaller states’ votes would be meaningless. Thus we must have the smaller states vote earlier so the larger states votes are rendered meaningless. That way we know we’re getting the REAL American voice heard! ///

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:16:02am

re: #20 Targetpractice

Few will actually ever visit NJ because 1) the ad costs are so high since it falls into either NYC metro ad rates or Philly ad rates; 2) the June primary is after everything is decided (usually by Super Tuesday); and 3) no one considers NJ to be representative of the nation as a whole when by demographics it should be. Just because it’s geographically on a coast doesn’t diminish the fact that it actually better reflects the nation as a whole.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:16:09am
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:16:39am

The primaries always start in some of the smallest and whites states in the Union, while large states with populations more representative of the US as a whole don’t come for weeks or months after the nomination has been “clinched.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:16:49am

re: #21 Belafon

Yes, the justification of “Kansas City is in Kansas, also” is stupid, especially when he changed the tweet.

And there are far more Chiefs fans in Missouri than there are Kansas. I’d be tickled if this pisses off his supporters in suburban KC-MO and KC-KC.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:17:22am

re: #19 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Oh no doubt, I mean I just cannot tell what’s a Russian bot talking point and what’s a Trump one?

Because it is nearly impossible to tell an Internet presence from a real person.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:18:15am

I’m interviewing Trump voters this morning in Paris, Texas.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:18:39am

re: #25 jaunte

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Welcome to 2020, where we have hundreds of channels, dozens of news and information channels, and yet people are dumber than ever.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:19:26am

re: #30 Targetpractice

“Alexa, feed me epistemic closure.”

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:20:26am

re: #19 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Oh no doubt, I mean I just cannot tell what’s a Russian bot talking point and what’s a Trump one? So much of our political history is being revised slowly before our eyes. It’s why I’m glad that we’re documenting a lot of this on video and on record because no matter what happens this fall, life will go on. It’s just a matter of how. As I said, I’m actually optimistic about beating Trump, I know you disagree and I respectfully do so but where I’m far more cynical is the healing process. Maybe that’s Biden’s end game after all. He really wants to expose by showing good will and faith just how awful the Republicans and right are? I don’t know.

Again, at this point? There’s functionally no difference.

And as far as trying to expose GOP bad faith by showing good will and faith? Sorry, it simply doesn’t work that way. Playing a soft hand and appealing to the better angels of a group that has gotten its unfettered power through unlimited bad faith is kind of exactly how we got to where we are to begin with. Obama tried to reach across the aisle constantly and had those attempts hung around his neck like an albatross time and time again. The GOP has gotten away with so much false equivalence because of the assumption of good faith on their part while they poison the well over and over again. The continued assumption of good faith on their part is just going to send the message that they can still do whatever they want with impunity and get the benefit of the doubt, all while casting aspersions on Dems and having said aspersions taken as gospel truth.

The fact that he’s seeing this in real time with the Hunter/Burisma bullshit and still makes this appeal sends the message to me that he’s far too nostalgic to do what needs to be done against the GOP at this point.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:21:16am

re: #20 Targetpractice

It is, which is what makes the whole “ZOMG! If we abolish the Electoral College, then candidates will only focus on states with huge populations!” bit such a fraking joke.

I really think we’re seeing some of the unintended consequences of the Constitutional Convention’s compromises. I’m not knocking the founders but the differences in our geography are so different than they are now and geography was considered when devising things like the EC and Congress. And when I say geography, I’m including demographics. The southern states wanted to count black people as part of their states for political power even though they had no intentions of letting black people of any gender participate in democracy.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:22:10am

re: #29 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I’m interviewing Trump voters this morning in Paris, Texas.

Don’t tell him about Sudan, Texas. He’s liable to have it bombed.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:22:37am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because it is nearly impossible to tell an Internet presence from a real person.

No, that’s not what I mean. I mean the talking points themselves not the messengers.

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Teukka  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:22:46am

re: #29 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I’m interviewing Trump voters this morning in Paris, Texas.

Or Stockholm, IA, Stockholm, NY, Stockholm, NJ, Stockholm, MN, Stockholm, ME, Stockholm, SD, or Stockholm, WI…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:24:23am

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Don’t tell him about Sudan, Texas. He’s liable to have it bombed.

Wait, wait hold on there maestro, there’s a New Mexico. Why is Mexico on our land!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:24:56am

re: #35 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No, that’s not what I mean. I mean the talking points themselves not the messengers.

Those are paid talking points. There are a some bots who do it for the propaganda value alone, but the rest are getting funded by someone in the USA.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:25:04am

re: #29 jaunte

Or Florida, NY. Or Greece, NY.

I’m sure Trump will be all over Intercourse PA.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:25:05am

re: #36 Teukka

Or Stockholm, IA, Stockholm, NY, Stockholm, NJ, Stockholm, MN, Stockholm, ME, Stockholm, SD, or Stockholm, WI…

China Grove, TX is really gonna fuck him up.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:25:14am

re: #36 Teukka

Or Stockholm, IA, Stockholm, NY, Stockholm, NJ, Stockholm, MN, Stockholm, ME, Stockholm, SD, or Stockholm, WI…

Ah, he’ll be saying top of the morning in Dublin, Ohio and then going to Berlin, Maryland where the German people there just love him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:26:40am

re: #38 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those are paid talking points. There are a some bots who do it for the propaganda value alone, but the rest are getting funded by someone in the USA.

And I’m saying that I cannot tell the difference between which talking points are Kremlin based and which ones are RNC/CPAC/TPUSA, etc. That’s what I meant.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:26:50am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:27:24am

re: #40 Citizen K

China Grove, TX is really gonna fuck him up.

I wonder if he knows about the football hall of fame being in Canton, Chyna. //

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:27:36am

re: #41 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The frightening thing is…I could see him doing that.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:28:42am

“…There is scant public information about the company. It does not appear to have a website or any social media presence. Its listed address is a P.O. box in Honolulu (listed as a “unit” number in 1820’s FEC filings). Google searches turn up no information on the company. And there’s no record of prior political involvement by its sole officer, Jennifer Lam.”

Maybe she knows the Chao family.

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Teukka  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:29:05am

re: #43 jaunte

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:30:38am

re: #29 jaunte

This is a joke? I can’t tell anymore.

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Teukka  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:31:10am

re: #48 Colère Tueur de Lapin

This is a joke? I can’t tell anymore.

Me neither, my Poe meter just exploded…

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:31:45am

re: #48 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Is joke, comrade.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:33:11am

re: #46 jaunte

Some reporter needs to go looking for Jennifer Lam.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:33:52am

re: #45 Sufficient unto the day…

The frightening thing is…I could see him doing that.

Yeah the WaPo to their credit has an article about his geography misunderstandings. Remember when he blamed the Baltic States for the wars in the former Yugoslavia? I’m getting tired that if I call out this ignorant moron on his ignorance of geography and refusal to actually read or watch anything that isn’t treating him like how North Korean propaganda treats the Kims that it means I’m some kind of elitist. Geography was one of the first things I learned as a kid. My parents encouraged me to learn where states were and their capitals and later countries. That should be something we value in our President because American presidents regardless of what you feel the US’s role in the world should be should understand the world. I don’t even want to know how he thinks about Central and South America’s geography.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:33:59am

re: #32 Citizen K

Again, at this point? There’s functionally no difference.

And as far as trying to expose GOP bad faith by showing good will and faith? Sorry, it simply doesn’t work that way. Playing a soft hand and appealing to the better angels of a group that has gotten its unfettered power through unlimited bad faith is kind of exactly how we got to where we are to begin with. Obama tried to reach across the aisle constantly and had those attempts hung around his neck like an albatross time and time again. The GOP has gotten away with so much false equivalence because of the assumption of good faith on their part while they poison the well over and over again. The continued assumption of good faith on their part is just going to send the message that they can still do whatever they want with impunity and get the benefit of the doubt, all while casting aspersions on Dems and having said aspersions taken as gospel truth.

The fact that he’s seeing this in real time with the Hunter/Burisma bullshit and still makes this appeal sends the message to me that he’s far too nostalgic to do what needs to be done against the GOP at this point.

The bolded is one of the most maddening things about the corporate media, namely the strive for “balance” by treating every GOP argument/gripe/moan/whine as being made in good faith, no matter how blindingly obvious it is exactly the opposite.

Case in point, the “procedure” BS that is being used as the entire basis for the impeachment “defense,” which relies upon one being dumb enough to believe that the WH would ever cooperate with Congressional investigations if only those investigations were conducted in a manner that the WH approves of.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:35:16am

These other countries and their cities are just places where he might have business. He doesn’t care to educate himself about the history and culture. I don’t expect him to be an encyclopedia but my God, maybe actually read up on these places and actually do something other than tweet while you watch FNC blow you on television.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:36:23am

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Don’t tell him about Sudan, Texas. He’s liable to have it bombed.

The people of Pekin, Il are being quarantined as a precaution against the spread of the Coronavirus.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:38:01am

re: #22 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Maybe make one early primary state based on how its demographics resemble the country as a whole and another based off of a state that was close in the last election. Iowa and New Hampshire aren’t representative of America as a whole.

And truly, neither are Nevada or South Carolina.

Nevada has one of the highest concentrations of Hispanics in the nation, and South Carolina follows on Feb. 29 as one of the states with the highest share of African Americans. Nevada is one of the least white states in the country. While South Carolina still has roughly the same white population as the United States overall, the strong Democratic lean of its black voters means the primary is much more nonwhite than the state…

With the exception of New Hampshire, the residents of the early states have disproportionately lower income and levels of education. None of the states rank high in young registered Democrats, and workers in non-goods industries like technology or trade get short shrift as well…

In 2016, these early states made up just 3 percent Democratic primary voters.

washingtonpost.com

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:38:42am

re: #53 Targetpractice

The bolded is one of the most maddening things about the corporate media, namely the strive for “balance” by treating every GOP argument/gripe/moan/whine as being made in good faith, no matter how blindingly obvious it is exactly the opposite.

Case in point, the “procedure” BS that is being used as the entire basis for the impeachment “defense,” which relies upon one being dumb enough to believe that the WH would ever cooperate with Congressional investigations if only those investigations were conducted in a manner that the WH approves of.

It’s especially maddening because of how two-faced it is. Assuming Republicans are always acting in good faith, and Dems always acting in bad faith isn’t balance at all. But it’s what passes for ‘balance’ and ‘impartiality’ because they’ve internalized the idea of ‘liberal media bias’. Between overcorrection and just being complicit, the thumb is so hard on the GOP’s side of the scale and yet we still have the same goddamn song and dance about needing to be more understanding about “conservative voices” and all that fucking “Both sides same thing” shit.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:39:10am

It all started with KAC’s Orwellean inspired “alternative facts” where Trump’s inaguaration was the greatest popular event ever when in reality, it was under attended compared to his predecessors and also featured his immediate Republican predecessor and thank you GWB for speaking for all of us when you told Mrs. Obama that it was “some weird shit.” Because it was. It’s the same campaign that convinces us that SNL poking fun at Trump is somehow worse than Trump belittling a disabled reporter and Gold Star Family, and then there are the frauds who have surrounded themselves with Trump who definitely know Trump’s a shitbag because they’ve all expresesd that at some point but party above nation. They couldn’t have put their hatred of HRC and the Dems aside to realize that yeah HRC may not have been ideologically what they wanted but she wasn’t an incompetent moron.

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:40:26am

re: #29 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I’m interviewing Trump voters this morning in Paris, Texas.

Is that anywhere near Palestine, Texas?

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:41:32am

Democrats should have nuked the caucus system and gone to a ranked choice primary nationwide along with moving all the Super Tuesday states to the day after IA and NH - diminishing importance of IA and NH, and heightening the importance of the rest of the nation. Frankly, they should do the primaries in a few weeks time. Compact and consolidate, and moving the timeframe so that states like NJ actually matter more than NH or IA.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:41:33am

re: #51 Belafon

They did. But she’s…on the lam

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:43:06am

re: #40 Citizen K

China Grove, TX is really gonna fuck him up.

Wait until he gets to Cuba, AL.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:43:17am

re: #60 lawhawk

Don’t the states have control over this?

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:43:46am

re: #36 Teukka

Or Stockholm, IA, Stockholm, NY, Stockholm, NJ, Stockholm, MN, Stockholm, ME, Stockholm, SD, or Stockholm, WI…

Don’t even get me started on Columbus.

Columbus, Georgia
Columbus, Illinois
Columbus, Indiana
Columbus, Kansas
Columbus, Kentucky
Columbus, Minnesota
Columbus, Mississippi
Columbus, Missouri
Columbus, Montana
Columbus, Nebraska
Columbus, New Jersey
Columbus, New Mexico
Columbus, New York
Columbus, North Carolina
Columbus, North Dakota
Columbus, Ohio
Columbus, Texas
Columbus, Wisconsin

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:44:03am

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait until he gets to Cuba, AL.

He’s going to love Moscow………Idaho.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:46:13am

re: #64 BeachDem

Springfield.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:46:37am

re: #65 I Would Prefer Not To

He’s going to love Moscow………Idaho.

Well I’d be okay with exiling Trump there rather than Moscow, Russia. Can’t tell Pooty secrets there. Plus the other St. Petersburg is nicer too.

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rhuarc  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:47:12am

re: #64 BeachDem

Don’t even get me started on Columbus.

Columbus, Georgia
Columbus, Illinois
Columbus, Indiana
Columbus, Kansas
Columbus, Kentucky
Columbus, Minnesota
Columbus, Mississippi
Columbus, Missouri
Columbus, Montana
Columbus, Nebraska
Columbus, New Jersey
Columbus, New Mexico
Columbus, New York
Columbus, North Carolina
Columbus, North Dakota
Columbus, Ohio
Columbus, Texas
Columbus, Wisconsin

What about Mexico, Indiana? If he finds out, will he build a wall around it?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:48:07am

re: #63 Belafon

Don’t the states have control over this?

I think it’s usually something that the parties internally agree on and then the state governments proceed. I seem to recall there was one state that had a primary for the Republicans on a considerably different date than that of the Democrats.

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:49:09am

re: #52 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah the WaPo to their credit has an article about his geography misunderstandings. Remember when he blamed the Baltic States for the wars in the former Yugoslavia? I’m getting tired that if I call out this ignorant moron on his ignorance of geography and refusal to actually read or watch anything that isn’t treating him like how North Korean propaganda treats the Kims that it means I’m some kind of elitist. Geography was one of the first things I learned as a kid. My parents encouraged me to learn where states were and their capitals and later countries. That should be something we value in our President because American presidents regardless of what you feel the US’s role in the world should be should understand the world. I don’t even want to know how he thinks about Central and South America’s geography.

Senator Al Franken draws map of USA

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:51:05am

re: #68 rhuarc

What about Mexico, Indiana? If he finds out, will he build a wall around it?

There’s a San Jose, Il. but it’s pronounced San Joes. And all the Cantons—clearly a tribute to the opium trade with China.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:51:37am

re: #58 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It all started with KAC’s Orwellean inspired “alternative facts” where Trump’s inaguaration was the greatest popular event ever when in reality, it was under attended compared to his predecessors and also featured his immediate Republican predecessor and thank you GWB for speaking for all of us when you told Mrs. Obama that it was “some weird shit.” Because it was. It’s the same campaign that convinces us that SNL poking fun at Trump is somehow worse than Trump belittling a disabled reporter and Gold Star Family, and then there are the frauds who have surrounded themselves with Trump who definitely know Trump’s a shitbag because they’ve all expresesd that at some point but party above nation. They couldn’t have put their hatred of HRC and the Dems aside to realize that yeah HRC may not have been ideologically what they wanted but she wasn’t an incompetent moron.

It’s less a new problem and more an existing one getting worse. The acceptance and promotion of GOP bad faith arguments, in conjunction with the demonization and minimization of the press has been with us since at least the days of St. Ron, all Trump did was raise both to their (illegal) conclusions. Where once the GOP was content to use small lies to sell bigger ones, and mutter about the “liberal press” whenever caught in those lies, now they openly wage war with the media to sell those big lies to an increasingly desperate party base.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:51:42am

re: #70 sagehen

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I was very impressed by that. I can visualize it but I cannot draw it to the point where I get the borders perfectly. The truth is and always has been that it is wealthy, white Republicans who don’t give a shit about “middle America” or “real America.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:52:49am

re: #72 Targetpractice

It’s less a new problem and more an existing one getting worse. The acceptance and promotion of GOP bad faith arguments, in conjunction with the demonization and minimization of the press has been with us since at least the days of St. Ron, all Trump did was raise both to their (illegal) conclusions. Where once the GOP was content to use small lies to sell bigger ones, and mutter about the “liberal press” whenever caught in those lies, now they openly wage war with the media to sell those big lies to an increasingly desperate party base.

Yeah, Reagan’s asshole behavior hasn’t gotten enough coverage which is why I’m glad his ugliness got exposed on those Nixon tapes and later his administration’s lie about the genocide in El Salvador done by their guy in the name of anti-communism.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:54:39am
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:55:57am

re: #74 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah, Reagan’s asshole behavior hasn’t gotten enough coverage which is why I’m glad his ugliness got exposed on those Nixon tapes and later his administration’s lie about the genocide in El Salvador done by their guy in the name of anti-communism.

One could argue that the difference between St. Ron and Hair Furor is the difference between a professional actor and a conman. It’s the difference between the nation seeing the president as a kindly grandpa who believes in “tough love” and seeing the other as a two-bit crook who has risen way above his competency.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:56:39am

re: #42 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And I’m saying that I cannot tell the difference between which talking points are Kremlin based and which ones are RNC/CPAC/TPUSA, etc. That’s what I meant.

This is true, not all of the funding comes from the USA

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:57:42am

re: #43 jaunte

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Time to start nailing these fuckers taking Russian/foreign money to the wall. Tired of these foreign citizens uniting.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:58:44am

re: #66 lawhawk

Springfield.

And in Pennsylvania there’s Nazareth, Bethlehem and New Jerusalem (and a whole bunch more.) Maybe he’ll send Jared to PA to unite Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:00:32am

re: #76 Targetpractice

One could argue that the difference between St. Ron and Hair Furor is the difference between a professional actor and a conman. It’s the difference between the nation seeing the president as a kindly grandpa who believes in “tough love” and seeing the other as a two-bit crook who has risen way above his competency.

There are alot of good arguments to be made for that. Gotta say, the country’s a better place if the Fordites win out in the GOP. The funny thing though is Ford actually was from a pretty modest background. Granted Reagan was too but Reagan’s political rise was through him chumming up to corporations. Ford was a young WWII vet who felt that the old way (the isolationist wing of the GOP) was wrong and rose through the post war GOP ranks that way.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:00:41am

re: #63 Belafon

Don’t the states have control over this?

The party decides. In the case of NV and SC:

The Democratic Party moved them up for the 2008 election to offset the lack of diversity of New Hampshire and Iowa, and to represent more regions of the United States. In a Democratic National Committee vote, Nevada was selected over Arizona, and South Carolina was chosen over Alabama.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:00:59am

re: #79 BeachDem

There’s a Bethlehem NY too. Jerusalem NY too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:02:58am

re: #79 BeachDem

And in Pennsylvania there’s Nazareth, Bethlehem and New Jerusalem (and a whole bunch more.) Maybe he’ll send Jared to PA to unite Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.

The in state rivalry is interesting though. My grand aunt and her family are PSU fans- that’s more closer to Philly than Pittsburgh in college football but they go for the Steelers in the NFL. Don’t know if they’re baseball fans though so I don’t know if it’s Buccos or Phills though I suspect Buccos since I think my grand uncle took my mom and uncle to a game at Three Rivers one time.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:03:25am
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:04:36am

re: #75 Dread Pirate

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Think the best way to look at it is that, even if there are no further articles of impeachment, the metric shit-ton of evidence is gonna bury that Cheeto-colored turd.

Sadly, at least half of the “front-runners” in the DNC primaries have either said aloud or intimated that they will “move on” if they win, which means we may see a repeat of the new pres pulling a Ford by declaring that the crimes of the Trump admin should not be investigated but instead it’s in the nation’s “best interest” to “move forward.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:12:13am

Get this, the Trumpers are trying to act like “No, you’re stupid, you didn’t know there was a Kansas City, Kansas before this.” I knew. What always surprised me was that KC, MO was the the bigger of the two but that happens. The original Miami was in Ohio not Florida. And Miami, Florida is a lot bigger. They just cannot admit that Trump doesn’t care about the geography of the country he’s supposedly making great again. And it’s something that if a Democrat had done, they would be using non stop to point how Dem elitists don’t care about the heartland and some shit like that. It’s really fucking exhausting to hear lectures from the likes of Matt Schlaap about “Washington elites” when that fucker’s been padding his wallet from Washington for most of his adult career. As a native of the DC area, if the right wing political power elites hate us so much, I wish they would get the fuck out of our metropolitan area.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:12:43am

re: #85 Targetpractice

My guess is the Dems will (unfortunately) back off until after November. Expect the Impeachment talk to ratchet up again if Cheeto gets re-elected.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:12:51am

re: #85 Targetpractice

Think the best way to look at it is that, even if there are no further articles of impeachment, the metric shit-ton of evidence is gonna bury that Cheeto-colored turd.

Sadly, at least half of the “front-runners” in the DNC primaries have either said aloud or intimated that they will “move on” if they win, which means we may see a repeat of the new pres pulling a Ford by declaring that the crimes of the Trump admin should not be investigated but instead it’s in the nation’s “best interest” to “move forward.”

It may have to be states like NY that end up being the tip of the spear in regards to criminal prosecution. In any case, I fully expect a mass exodus of Trump ass-lickers knee deep in his extensive crimes to leave the country for the UK, Israel, and Hungary- places with currently Trumpish leaders. The UK would be their preferred destination with its current Conservative Party PM but who knows how the legal system would deal with a US Extradition. They might have to leave very quickly for other less desirable rat’s nests.

Russia would be their final bailout Hail Mary but life under Putin would automatically mean pulling off the mask fully to reveal their true allegiances- To themselves only.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:13:20am

re: #79 BeachDem

And in Pennsylvania there’s Nazareth, Bethlehem and New Jerusalem (and a whole bunch more.) Maybe he’ll send Jared to PA to unite Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.

He might need to deploy the new Space Force to Mars, PA also.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:13:47am
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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:14:26am
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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:14:53am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:15:39am

re: #92 jaunte

Oh, come on! TRUMP BLOCKED ALL THE FUCKING WITNESSES THAT WOULD HAVE SAID THAT.

Sweet Jesus on a cracker.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:16:16am

re: #92 jaunte

Gaslighting shitheads.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:16:16am
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:17:14am

re: #91 jaunte

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This is one of those things that is going to really haunt the GOP after Wed, namely the reality I pointed out a couple weeks back that voting for “acquittal” does not afford them a “Get Out of Jail Free” card with Trump. Coming out weeks or months from now and catching his attention by declaring that his call wasn’t “perfect” but it wasn’t impeachable is only going to draw his ire and lead to utterly irrational freakouts on his part.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:18:27am

Schiff ought to ask Republicans if they will be OK with a Democratic president blocking witnesses and documents?

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lizardofid  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:18:40am

re: #83 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The in state rivalry is interesting though. My grand aunt and her family are PSU fans- that’s more closer to Philly than Pittsburgh in college football but they go for the Steelers in the NFL. Don’t know if they’re baseball fans though so I don’t know if it’s Buccos or Phills though I suspect Buccos since I think my grand uncle took my mom and uncle to a game at Three Rivers one time.

Imagine the consternation for war era football fans about the 1943 Steagles!

en.wikipedia.org

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:18:41am

re: #92 jaunte

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It’s a murder trial where the prosecution found a mountain of damning evidence, but the defense managed to get the key witness barred on a technicality, so the jury is told they have to “acquit” because the prosecution can’t put the defendant at the scene at the time of the murder.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:19:51am

re: #98 lizardofid

Imagine the consternation for war era football fans about the 1943 Steagles!

en.wikipedia.org

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Ha ha, yes I know all about the Steagles.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:20:09am

re: #97 Belafon

Schiff ought to ask Republicans if they will be OK with a Democratic president blocking witnesses and documents?

Of course not, which is why the first Dem after Trump that tries is gonna get crucified in every way that he is not, with willing assistance from the corporate media who will suddenly be unable to understand how the Dems could ever think they could get away with it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:20:10am

re: #97 Belafon

Schiff ought to ask Republicans if they will be OK with a Democratic president blocking witnesses and documents?

Yes get em on the record one way or the other.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:20:14am

Trump had to fire the incompetent boob he just got approved in the senate in September to head the Department of Veterans Affairs for being an incompetent boob.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:22:50am

re: #103 Dread Pirate

Pretty bad when you are deemed too incompetent for the fucking TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:23:12am
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Mike Lamb  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:30:03am

re: #99 Targetpractice

It’s a murder trial where the prosecution found a mountain of damning evidence, but the defense managed to get the key witness barred on a technicality, so the jury is told they have to “acquit” because the prosecution can’t put the defendant at the scene at the time of the murder.

More like a murder trial where the jury cut off the prosecution and went into deliberations. While in deliberations, prosecutors informs the court/jurors that they found the literal smoking gun, and the jury says to the Court: “No thanks. We can’t possibly allow this to continue on. It’d be unfair to the defendant.”

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:34:28am

re: #106 Mike Lamb

More like a murder trial where the jury cut off the prosecution and went into deliberations. While in deliberations, prosecutors informs the court/jurors that they found the literal smoking gun, and the jury says to the Court: “No thanks. We can’t possibly allow this to continue on. It’d be unfair to the defendant.”

A murder trial where the jury sat in on the discovery hearings, working with the defense to decide what evidence would and wouldn’t appear at trial, all while criticizing the prosecution for not working with the defense “in good faith” to find a way to avoid a trial altogether. Oh, and the bulk of the jury also believes that the prosecutor is really the killer and wants to put him on trial instead.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:35:40am

re: #99 Targetpractice

It’s a murder trial where the prosecution found a mountain of damning evidence, but the defense jury managed to get the key witness barred on a technicality, so the jury is told they have to “acquit” because the prosecution can’t put the defendant at the scene at the time of the murder.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:38:25am

Oh, and don’t forget at this murder trial, the judge is just sitting there and letting the defense team run amuck, with his only significant contribution during the course of trial being the point when he broke in on the prosecution’s opening remarks to criticize them for “decorum.”

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:39:08am

“How are Republicans going to convict Joe Biden if he’s allowed to block Hunter?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:39:22am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:39:41am

From downstairs:

re: #163 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Christ. Not sure if this is reliable - it *is* a British tabloid, after all, but the Daily Star claims that Chinese hospitals are stacking the body bags and that a whistleblower got arrested for shooting video of all the bodies.

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The one statistic that gives me optimism about the mortality rate of the coronavirus is that, of the 159 cases outside China, there has been only one death to date. The possible higher number of deaths in Wuhan may reflect nothing more than a higher incidence of infections. Seasonal flu has killed about 10,000 Americans over the past 4 months. I’m sure they will add this new virus to the mix for the flu vaccine for next year— and this may encourage more people to get the shot.

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Interesting Times  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:39:52am

Clever tweet layout to make a serious point:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:40:54am

re: #105 Dread Pirate

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I’ve been expecting this. The whole non
-proliferation regime, built up at enormous effort and cost over the last 60 years, is about to collapse around us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:41:13am
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:42:51am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The level of chutzpah on display is truly mind-blowing. The arrogance on display by a defense that has decided there’s no way their client can be convicted cannot be understated.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:45:17am

re: #76 Targetpractice

One could argue that the difference between St. Ron and Hair Furor is the difference between a professional actor and a conman. It’s the difference between the nation seeing the president as a kindly grandpa who believes in “tough love” and seeing the other as a two-bit crook who has risen way above his competency.

One major and crucial difference between Reagan and Trump: No one ever thought that Reagan was owned by the Russians.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:46:35am

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

whoever had Cillizza as the one to bring up 57 states, please collect your winnings.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:46:54am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:46:59am

re: #110 Belafon

“How are Republicans going to convict Joe Biden if he’s allowed to block Hunter?”

If the House remains under Democratic control, there will be no impeachment of a President Biden.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:47:31am

re: #117 Hecuba’s daughter

One major and crucial difference between Reagan and Trump: No one ever thought that Reagan was owned by the Russians.

We were talking about theIr style. Yeah Reagan wasn’t owned by the Russians but he was owned big time by people who had a vested interest in destroying social progress that he the former Democrat benefited from.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:47:44am

The Trump defense team has just said “Fuck it” and decided to go for broke. After all, what’s the worst that could happen, the Senate Repub “moderates” vote furrow their brows a little deeper before voting for “acquittal”?

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:47:48am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

White House Claim: “The House managers say it is a blanket defiance… that we will not give you anything… that was not the President’s response.”

so what documents have you given?
what witnesses have you directed to testify?

we know the answers are none and none.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:49:43am

re: #119 Scottish Dragon

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Ayatollah Graham is the last person I want lecturing us.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:50:51am

re: #124 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ayatollah Graham is the last person I want lecturing us.

Dreher might manage to be even worse.

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Interesting Times  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:51:51am

re: #124 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ayatollah Graham is the last person I want lecturing us.

Isn’t he the one who paid off the pool boy? Or am I getting my evangelical grifters mixed up?

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:52:26am

re: #119 Scottish Dragon

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:52:59am

re: #126 Interesting Times

Isn’t he the one who paid off the pool boy? Or am I getting my evangelical grifters mixed up?

That’s Falwell Jr.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:53:06am

re: #126 Interesting Times

Isn’t he the one who paid off the pool boy? Or am I getting my evangelical grifters mixed up?

That’s Falwell Jr but you can be forgiven for confusing one product of the fundie incest nepotism pool with another. Falwell Jr is threatening to secede parts of Virginia into West Virginia at the moment though.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:54:33am

re: #127 Targetpractice

Dear Zod, how can we have children knowing that ass-shaking is a thing!?

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heh.

I thought the pole dancing thing and the brief simulated copulation bit got a little over the line. Most of the show was fine, however.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:54:48am

re: #129 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s Falwell Jr but you can be forgiven for confusing one product of the fundie incest nepotism pool with another. Falwell Jr is threatening to secede parts of Virginia into West Virginia at the moment though.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:55:46am
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:55:48am

re: #131 Scottish Dragon

heh.

I thought the pole dancing thing and the brief simulated copulation bit got a little over the line. Most of the show was fine, however.

It’s hard as hell to believe that it’s been over a decade now since the nation lost its fucking mind over a nip-slip.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:57:02am

re: #133 jaunte

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Let’s also not forget that there were House Repubs promising to begin impeachment proceedings against Hillary before she even took the oath of office, while Moscow Mitch and Leningrad Lindsey both came together to promise that she would not fill the vacant SCOTUS bench seat.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:57:09am

Trump has been lying and stealing since before his inauguration.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:57:20am

re: #133 jaunte

The GOP were ready to impeach Obama as soon as he beat Hilary in the primaries.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:57:54am

re: #119 Scottish Dragon

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Most of those kids have already seen Melania’s tits.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:58:42am

re: #132 Targetpractice

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I just want some West Virginia who knew a grandparent or great grandparent when WV seceded over slavery goes “Uh no, you all were happy to stay in Virginia when you had a shit fit over slavery, stay away.”

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:58:57am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:59:10am

It’s all a bunch of bad faith bullshit.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:59:50am

re: #140 jaunte

Good, we can play an ad of him playign the ad and show that Sekulow wasn’t interested in getting to the truth of what happened but rather making this into a show trial. Sekulow should be disbarred for his stunts.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:59:58am

re: #134 Targetpractice

It’s hard as hell to believe that it’s been over a decade now since the nation lost its fucking mind over a nip-slip.

The rather graphic simulated sex between her and Timberlake was a hell of a lot more egregious, lol. I remember one commenter suggesting it’s a wonder she didn’t get pregnant on stage. You can be sexy without being sleazy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:00:01am
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:00:35am

re: #141 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s all a bunch of bad faith bullshit.

That’s all it’s ever been. The upside is that the defense is only deepening the pit that Repubs will have to climb out of between now and November.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:00:36am

re: #142 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Sekulow pivots to “Imeachment IS a show trial.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:01:20am
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:02:48am

re: #146 jaunte

Sekulow pivots to “Imeachment IS a show trial.”

Show trials had more witnesses than the Repubs voted to allow.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:02:57am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

Demmings is really good guys. I think she’s someone who could run against Scott, DeSantitis, or Rubio one day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:02:59am

Wait, the Presidents lawyers are showing Trump political ads IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRIAL?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:03:34am

re: #150 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, the Presidents lawyers are showing Trump political ads IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRIAL?

Yep. It’s a sham all right but the only sham artists are Jay and the Trump layesr and the GOP Senators.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:04:59am
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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:07:53am
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:08:27am

Declaring it a “show trial” just furthers the humiliation that these idiots are setting up their party for. Show trials generally began with the verdict already decided and the “trial” all about destroying the character of the accused, usually with party officials issuing denouncements or coerced “witnesses” testifying at gunpoint about the guilt of the person(s) in the docket.

To call this a “show trial” is the usual IMAX-level of projection, as it began with the verdict already decided (Trump is “innocent”) and has done nothing to prove such and everything to destroy the character the accusers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:09:13am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:11:56am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:13:15am

re: #130 Charles Johnson

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:13:22am

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Again, it needs to be repeated at every opportunity: The Dems want to know who started the fire, the Repubs want to know who called the fire department.

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:13:39am

re: #80 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

There are alot of good arguments to be made for that. Gotta say, the country’s a better place if the Fordites win out in the GOP. The funny thing though is Ford actually was from a pretty modest background. Granted Reagan was too but Reagan’s political rise was through him chumming up to corporations. Ford was a young WWII vet who felt that the old way (the isolationist wing of the GOP) was wrong and rose through the post war GOP ranks that way.

Nixon was also from a very modest background.

Grew up in Whittier, two of his brothers died when he was young (tuberculosis), he had to turn down a full tuition scholarship to Harvard because it didn’t include cross-country train fare, or room and board, or another employee for his family’s grocery store because he wouldn’t have been there to do shifts.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:14:17am

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

Brexit

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:14:38am

re: #122 Targetpractice

The Trump defense team has just said “Fuck it” and decided to go for broke. After all, what’s the worst that could happen, the Senate Repub “moderates” vote furrow their brows a little deeper before voting for “acquittal”?

The Trump team’s entire Legal strategy is to win in November. It is an All-or-nothing strategy totally in line with their all-or-nothing ideology. Should they lose in November it means probably a lot of them going to prison and they know it. It is going to get Krazy as the election nears. Watch out.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:14:44am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh the troll bots definitely hasn’t been limited to just politics.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:14:58am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That should send trump up the wall (paid for by Sweden).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:15:44am

re: #161 sagehen

Nixon was also from a very modest background.

Grew up in Whittier, two of his brothers died when he was young (tuberculosis), he had to turn down a full tuition scholarship to Harvard because it didn’t include cross-country train fare, or room and board, or another employee for his family’s grocery store because he wouldn’t have been there to do shifts.

Yep. Nixon always saw himself as the middle class’s champion.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:16:37am

re: #142 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Good, we can play an ad of him playign the ad and show that Sekulow wasn’t interested in getting to the truth of what happened but rather making this into a show trial. Sekulow should be disbarred for his stunts.

Not to mention for his “charity” scams.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:17:35am
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:19:40am

re: #168 Dread Pirate

1. The White House banned the press briefings.
2. This White House would rather not have to answer questions at all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:22:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:24:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:27:35am
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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:28:17am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:28:56am
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Florida Panhandler  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:31:16am

re: #173 BeachDem

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,..or not even necessarily even English.

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Teukka  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:33:45am

Just a random pic:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:35:08am
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sagehen  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:36:06am

re: #166 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep. Nixon always saw himself as the middle class’s champion.

He actually was; his crimes were for non-economic motives.

EPA. OSHA. He proposed a universal health care plan that was well to the left of Obamacare. It was somebody on his team who first came up with Universal Basic Income.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:36:18am

The rest of the thread is plenty worth reading over.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:36:59am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:37:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:39:53am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:40:57am

re: #178 sagehen

He actually was; his crimes were for non-economic motives.

EPA. OSHA. He proposed a universal health care plan that was well to the left of Obamacare. It was somebody on his team who first came up with Universal Basic Income.

He weaponized blue collar cultural grievance. The Hard Hat Riot was one of the early manifestations of ‘lawn-order’ conservatism.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:42:28am

Did somebody get word on teleskiguy and I missed it? He never replied to my Twitter DM.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:45:46am

re: #184 Charles Johnson

Did somebody get word on teleskiguy and I missed it? He never replied to my Twitter DM.

not that I’ve heard.

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:46:09am

Question for the football-knowledgable…

Would the 49ers have won if Colin Kaepernick were still on the team?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:46:44am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:48:20am
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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:51:47am

Rush Limbaugh diagnosed with advanced lung cancer.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:52:13am

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

There goes the ENTIRE punk repertoire.

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Teukka  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:52:16am

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder, was posting this song to a reply to the above overkill?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:52:42am

re: #189 Shropshire Slasher

Is joke or is real? Still can’t tell.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:52:45am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:53:04am

re: #154 jaunte

i’ve been following discussions about whether trumps lawyers can be disciplined for what they are doing

many say no because this rule 3.3(a)(1):

A lawyer shall not knowingly: (1) make a false statement of fact or law to a tribunal or fail to correct a false statement of material fact or law previously made to the tribunal by the lawyer;

and that impeachment doesnt neatly fit the definition of “tribunal” - no “neutral official” making a ruling, nor is there a “binding legal judgment”.

but apparently further down there is also rule 3.9 and it specifically refers to work before legislative bodies and incorporates Rules 3.3(a) through (c), 3.4(a) through (c).

so one can hope

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:53:19am

re: #192 Colère Tueur de Lapin

He just said it on his show

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:53:28am

re: #186 sagehen

Question for the football-knowledgable…

Would the 49ers have won if Colin Kaepernick were still on the team?

This is a pretty tough question and the only answer I can give you is: Maybe. It really all depends on how Kaepernicks skills would be after missing several seasons. IF he regained his old form, he’d be entering the game with a lot more experience than Garropolo has, but it was really the SF Defense that coughed up the game in the 4th quarter, which Kap would have had no control over anyway.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:53:35am

re: #191 Teukka

Depeche Mode is way too elitist for real ‘merikans.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:54:15am

re: #189 Shropshire Slasher

Rush Limbaugh diagnosed with advanced lung cancer.

I’m sorry. Cancer sucks, but I’m having a really tough time feeling too bad over this.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:54:26am

re: #184 Charles Johnson

Did somebody get word on teleskiguy and I missed it? He never replied to my Twitter DM.

I worry that it’s time to start looking his real name up.

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makeitstop  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:54:57am

re: #192 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Is joke or is real? Still can’t tell.

Straight from the horse’s mouth, apparently.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:55:52am

re: #199 Belafon

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:55:53am

re: #184 Charles Johnson

No luck here either.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:56:12am

re: #189 Shropshire Slasher

Fuck cancer and fuck Limbaugh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:56:29am

re: #203 lawhawk

Fuck cancer and fuck Limbaugh.

That works!

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Teukka  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:56:34am

re: #189 Shropshire Slasher

Rush Limbaugh diagnosed with advanced lung cancer.

re: #195 Shropshire Slasher

He just said it on his show

re: #192 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Is joke or is real? Still can’t tell.

It could be a certain deity firing for effect in self defence, but wouldn’t be recognized as such by the usual suspects. It could also be yet another grifting scheme [Dayum, I wish I wasn’t this cynical /T.]…

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ericblair  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:56:54am

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sorry. Cancer sucks, but I’m have a really tough time feeling too bad over this.

He spent his life ruining other people’s. Unlike him, I wouldn’t deny him the treatment he needs, but I’m not going to shed any tears at his likely demise.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:57:39am

re: #189 Shropshire Slasher

Rush Limbaugh diagnosed with advanced lung cancer.

I would not wish it on him.

He still will not be missed.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:57:43am

re: #203 lawhawk

Fuck cancer and fuck Limbaugh.

Ok, I can live with that one. I was going to comment about no sympathy for anyone still smoking…

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:58:39am

re: #189 Shropshire Slasher

Rush Limbaugh diagnosed with advanced lung cancer.

God forgive me, but that made me cheer. For all the damage he has caused, karma is going to be a B.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:58:43am

re: #203 lawhawk

Fuck cancer and fuck Limbaugh.

I was friends on facebook, but I think he deleted his account.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:59:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:00:21pm
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sagehen  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:00:22pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:00:23pm

re: #206 ericblair

He spent his life ruining other people’s. Unlike him, I wouldn’t deny him the treatment he needs, but I’m not going to shed any tears at his likely demise.

My question when conservatives get cancer is are they going to use weed when they have chemo? Of course, the answer is yes, but…you get it.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:00:40pm

“They gave you an oath, and they meant for you to observe it.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:02:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:03:24pm
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danarchy  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:05:53pm

re: #186 sagehen

Question for the football-knowledgable…

Would the 49ers have won if Colin Kaepernick were still on the team?

Impossible to know, but probably not. SF got to the SB because of their defense and run game. It isn’t likely a change in quarterback would mean a change in offensive scheme. Garoppolo had a couple interceptions but Kaepernic was known to have some problems with turnovers in his day too. KC won the game because either SFs defense collapsed in the last 6 minutes, or they just finally figured them out. 6 of one half dozen of the other.

Also, let’s not forget Kaep was originally benched after SF hit an 11 game losing streak and he had one of the worst passing performances in SF history with a net 6 yards for the game.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:06:06pm

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sorry. Cancer sucks, but I’m having a really tough time feeling too bad over this.

Me too and I’m not really sorry. He laughed and mocked the Kennedy Family when Junior passed.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:07:39pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

The GOP has abandoned its faith in our nation and our future. They only crave absolute power, minorities and women knowing their place, and wealth concentrated in few hands, including theirs. They have no loyalty to the Constitution so it’s a waste of breath to plead for them to do the right thing. Of course, some may just be cowards, afraid of losing their jobs because Trump speaks meanly about them. Many may be, like Trump, working for Putin. After all, he is funding their party.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:07:53pm

re: #218 danarchy

I’m still steamed by that final touchdown. Had a chance to win a pool with a 24-20 outcome, but that last TD blew it for me. Oh well, guess someone was trying to get close to the spread?

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:11:12pm

I’m sure Hannity is refreshing his resume.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:13:50pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:14:27pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:15:22pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

I guess the only “suspense” at this stage is whether any red-state Dems will break ranks. Really, really hoping they won’t (though Manchin’s the most likely candidate).

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:16:56pm

re: #225 Interesting Times

Jones and Manchin will likely split - and aid Trump’s claim that he was exonerated in bipartisan manner when the fix was always in.

Not having control over the Senate is why we’re in this mess. Not having control over the House from 2017-2019 is why we’re in this mess.

And having a GOP thoroughly coopted and complicit with Trump crimes is why we will be dealing with the fallout from this for decades to come.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:17:23pm
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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:22:16pm
Limbaugh: Our Chance Of “Curing Cancer Was Blown To Smithereens” After Obama Asked Biden To Lead Effort

mediamatters.org

PUBLISHED 01/13/16 1:55 PM EST

karma is a hell of a bitch Rush…

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makeitstop  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:23:53pm

re: #228 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

mediamatters.org

PUBLISHED 01/13/16 1:55 PM EST

karma is a hell of a bitch Rush…

Yeah. Remember this?

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:24:54pm

re: #226 lawhawk

Jones and Manchin will likely split - and aid Trump’s claim that he was exonerated in bipartisan manner when the fix was always in.

Not having control over the Senate is why we’re in this mess. Not having control over the House from 2017-2019 is why we’re in this mess.

And having a GOP thoroughly coopted and complicit with Trump crimes is why we will be dealing with the fallout from this for decades to come.

a single vote from the opposition party is not ‘bipartisan’

if so, then the senate voted for witnesses in a bipartisan manner - and only one party voted against them

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:25:28pm

re: #229 makeitstop

Yeah. Remember this?

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Yep. I don’t wish him ill, I don’t care what happens to him.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:26:01pm

re: #229 makeitstop

Yeah. Remember this?

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I hope Rush likes really, really hot weather.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:26:50pm

re: #230 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

a single vote from the opposition party is not ‘bipartisan’

if so, then the senate voted for witnesses in a bipartisan manner - and only one party voted against them

It is when a single Dem votes for an otherwise party line GOP thing. That’s the rules of DC don’t you know. It never works the other way around though. Only when a Dem votes with the rest of the GOP.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:27:14pm

re: #231 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep. I don’t wish him ill, I don’t care what happens to him.

Sorry, I do wish him ill the way I’d wish any other Nazi ill. May he die alone, slowly and in massive pain.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:29:16pm

re: #234 William Lewis

Sorry, I do wish him ill the way I’d wish any other Nazi ill. May he die alone, slowly and in massive pain.

Nah. You misunderstand. I just don’t care about him. I don’t give a shit if he’s in pain or about his family. He’s been one of the worst people in this country a long time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:29:39pm

I give more credit to Republicans who are outright about their cruel intentions than I do bullshit “moderates” like Murkowski and Collins.

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Interesting Times  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:32:26pm

re: #226 lawhawk

Jones and Manchin will likely split - and aid Trump’s claim that he was exonerated in bipartisan manner when the fix was always in.

Not having control over the Senate is why we’re in this mess. Not having control over the House from 2017-2019 is why we’re in this mess.

And having a GOP thoroughly coopted and complicit with Trump crimes is why we will be dealing with the fallout from this for decades to come.

One outcome I could live with is if Manchin/Jones vote against abuse of power but in favor of obstruction on the grounds all witnesses/docs were blocked. They ought to be able to sell that to anyone in their state who isn’t voting GOP-no-matter-what anyway.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:33:13pm

re: #234 William Lewis

Sorry, I do wish him ill the way I’d wish any other Nazi ill. May he die alone, slowly and in massive pain.

Our wishes have no effect on that horrible man:

“This curing cancer business,” Limbaugh sneered. “It was a lift, from ‘The West Wing’ TV show. Pretty close to verbatim. But in addition to that, Obama promised to cure cancer in his State of the Union address in 2009, 2010, and last year, which is why last night he said ‘once and for all.’ And then whatever chance we had at curing cancer was blown to smithereens when he put Joe Biden in charge of it.”

Screw him

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:33:51pm

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

I give more credit to Republicans who are outright about their cruel intentions than I do bullshit “moderates” like Murkowski and Collins.

Murkowski and Collins did vote to save the ACA. Without them, millions fewer people would have insurance. Of course, I always wondered if they were given permission to vote that way because McConnell wasn’t anticipating McCain’s act of revenge.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:34:58pm

re: #234 William Lewis

Sorry, I do wish him ill the way I’d wish any other Nazi ill. May he die alone, slowly and in massive pain.

That’s where I fall. Fuck that shitstain.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:36:20pm

re: #240 Eventual Carrion

That’s where I fall. Fuck that shitstain.

I once said I wouldn’t wish cancer on anyone. This puts my resolve to the test.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:36:23pm

Good morning! (Ok afternoon)

saw this woodpecker this morning, and right above him, the cardinal
there were also two painted buntings but the camera missed them

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steve_davis  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:37:59pm

re: #6 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean if he could be the slightest bit self-depreciating, it probably would be shrugged off a little easier but because he has his propagandists doubling down on it, it makes it more amplified. In the end, I’m voting against Trump because of the kids in cages and not because of his ignorance of geography but when I have to hear that his ignorance of geography is actually a virtue or how “he really meant both Kansas City”, it’s exhausting.

the only reason I wouldn’t have screwed that up is because I have a coworker from Kansas so I’ve been well versed on the differences between the two KC’s.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:38:12pm

re: #233 Citizen K

It is when a single Dem votes for an otherwise party line GOP thing. That’s the rules of DC don’t you know. It never works the other way around though. Only when a Dem votes with the rest of the GOP.

ah
i dont know what i was thinking

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:38:23pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

From downstairs:
The one statistic that gives me optimism about the mortality rate of the coronavirus is that, of the 159 cases outside China, there has been only one death to date. The possible higher number of deaths in Wuhan may reflect nothing more than a higher incidence of infections. Seasonal flu has killed about 10,000 Americans over the past 4 months. I’m sure they will add this new virus to the mix for the flu vaccine for next year— and this may encourage more people to get the shot.

Yeah, the seasonal flu is the most under-reported epidemic that apparently happens every year so no biggie (argh!).

sometimes, I feel like we’re all living in that speech of the Joker’s in The Dark Knight, where he goes off about how “If a truckload of soldiers gets blown up, nobody bats an eye because it’s all according to the plan. Even if that plan is horrifying.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:38:32pm

re: #239 Hecuba’s daughter

Murkowski and Collins did vote to save the ACA. Without them, millions fewer people would have insurance. Of course, I always wondered if they were given permission to vote that way because McConnell wasn’t anticipating McCain’s act of revenge.

He’s talking about that Murkowski and Collins present themselves as moderates and reasonable while the others are more honest.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:39:05pm
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:39:49pm

re: #239 Hecuba’s daughter

Murkowski and Collins did vote to save the ACA. Without them, millions fewer people would have insurance. Of course, I always wondered if they were given permission to vote that way because McConnell wasn’t anticipating McCain’s act of revenge.

because a senator’s job is to vote how s/he’s told

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:42:12pm

re: #247 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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He’s a fucking racist propagandist who made millions off of resentment

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:42:19pm

re: #186 sagehen

Question for the football-knowledgable…

Would the 49ers have won if Colin Kaepernick were still on the team?

Hard to know. In his final games as a starter, he was erratic, to say the least. He overthrew a wide receiver by so much that the ball sailed completely off the field, slamming into a guy on the sideline who was (incorrectly) figuring he was well off the field and out of harm’s way.

Gave him a mild concussion.

At his height, Kap was very, very good. Dominant, even. But then he got the equivalent of a golfer’s case of “the yips” and couldn’t seem to settle down.

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:42:50pm

re: #239 Hecuba’s daughter

Murkowski and Collins did vote to save the ACA. Without them, millions fewer people would have insurance. Of course, I always wondered if they were given permission to vote that way because McConnell wasn’t anticipating McCain’s act of revenge.

I’m sure that’s exactly what happened.

There is no such thing as a moderate Republican, ever since the Gingrich goon squad completed their hard-line purge of the GOP.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:43:07pm
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Freedom Turnip  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:44:26pm

re: #200 makeitstop

Hallelujah. I hope he fucking dies in agony.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:44:36pm

re: #189 Shropshire Slasher

Rush Limbaugh diagnosed with advanced lung cancer.

Down ding me, but I don’t feel sorry for him. He has spewed hatred, lies, and Nazi propaganda for decades. Scumbags like Rush are we have politicians like Donny in office.

*And just a reminder: GOP cultists were celebrating RGB’s lung cancer diagnosis and all her other medical aliments.

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:44:56pm

re: #203 lawhawk

Fuck cancer and fuck Limbaugh.

I’m a bit more one-sided that that — if it’s cancer vs. Rush Limbaugh, I’ll root for the cancer.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:45:38pm

re: #254 Dr. Matt

Down ding me, but I don’t feel sorry for him. He has spewed hatred, lies, and Nazi propaganda for decades. Scumbags like Rush are we have politicians like Donny in office.

*And just a reminder: GOP cultists were celebrating RGB’s lung cancer diagnosis and all her other medical aliments.

The opposite of love is indifference. Don’t bother with hate about him now. Just refuse to care at all.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:45:43pm

re: #250 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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Hard to know. In his final games as a starter, he was erratic, to say the least. He overthrew a wide receiver by so much that the ball sailed completely off the field, slamming into a guy on the sideline who was (incorrectly) figuring he was well off the field and out of harm’s way.

The second of Colin Kaepernick’s back-to-back throws out of bounds hits a staff member in the head. The 49ers’ medical staff talking to him.

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoCSN) October 23, 2015

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:47:45pm

Limbaugh paved the way for Alex Jones so for that reason I have no sympathy. I ain’t rooting for the cancer but I ain’t rooting for Rush to beat it either. And I’m definitely not looking forward to the obituaries that frame him as anything other than the pathetic piece of shit eh was. What good has Rush Limbaugh actually done?

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:49:40pm

re: #258 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Limbaugh paved the way for Alex Jones so for that reason I have no sympathy. I ain’t rooting for the cancer but I ain’t rooting for Rush to beat it either. And I’m definitely not looking forward to the obituaries that frame him as anything other than the pathetic piece of shit eh was. What good has Rush Limbaugh actually done?

Rush Limbaugh’s obituary is second on the list of obituaries I want to be alive to see. First is Trump, of course.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:51:40pm

‘I would like a medal for smoking’: Old radio shows haunt Rush Limbaugh after he reveals advanced lung cancer

Speaking to a caller in 2015, Limbaugh said that Americans should thank smokers.

“Earlier you were saying about smoking, that people ought to be thankful that there are smokers, because the money gotten from smoking helps to fund all these child programs and everything?” a caller told Limbaugh. “But that’s like saying I’m glad that there’s bumper accidents because then auto mechanics would still have jobs and it improves the economy.”

[…]

I’m just saying there ought to be a little appreciation shown for them [smokers], instead of having them hated and reviled. I would like a medal for smoking cigars, is what I’m saying.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:52:39pm

re: #260 Dr. Matt

‘I would like a medal for smoking’: Old radio shows haunt Rush Limbaugh after he reveals advanced lung cancer

Speaking to a caller in 2015, Limbaugh said that Americans should thank smokers.

Yeah this is why I don’t care if he’s in pain. He’s not worth shit. Fuck you Rush and may you be lonely in your last days.

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TedStriker  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:54:02pm

re: #258 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Limbaugh paved the way for Alex Jones so for that reason I have no sympathy. I ain’t rooting for the cancer but I ain’t rooting for Rush to beat it either. And I’m definitely not looking forward to the obituaries that frame him as anything other than the pathetic piece of shit eh was. What good has Rush Limbaugh actually done?

re: #259 EPR-radar

Rush Limbaugh’s obituary is second on the list of obituaries I want to be alive to see. First is Trump, of course.

Clarence Darrow said, “All men have an emotion to kill; when they strongly dislike someone, they involuntarily wish he was dead. I have never killed anyone, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction.”

Ditto, Clarence, ditto…

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:54:40pm

re: #256 Scottish Dragon

The opposite of love is indifference. Don’t bother with hate about him now. Just refuse to care at all.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:55:24pm

...

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:56:37pm

There is a lot going on in that tweet

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:58:10pm

So the Berners are still going with the conspiracy idea that CNN tanked the Iowa polling because Bernie was in the lead.

It all seems too typical.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 12:59:19pm

re: #229 makeitstop

Yeah. Remember this?

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Rush is getting the karmic retribution he deserves. I have no sympathy for him. He now has to eat the bitter fruit from the hate filled seeds he so gladly spread.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:00:18pm

re: #266 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So the Berners are still going with the conspiracy idea that CNN tanked the Iowa polling because Bernie was in the lead.

It all seems too typical.

If you’re voting based on a poll, you’re an idiot. I swear the fucking Berners don’t know electoral math.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:01:37pm

re: #265 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

There is a lot going on in that tweet

But I thought in Merika, we stand. But I guess that’s just for black athletes trying to address causes not bloated gasbags who run around in their Bond villain lair. I doubt Trump even knows the National Anthem let alone its history.

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makeitstop  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:03:02pm

re: #256 Scottish Dragon

The opposite of love is indifference. Don’t bother with hate about him now. Just refuse to care at all.

That’s where I am. Limbaugh has all the resources he needs to fight his disease. My wishing him well isn’t going to really make a difference.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:03:23pm

re: #266 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Tell them the only poll that matters is the one today.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:04:03pm

I’m at the Dr’s office waiting. They have the TV on and when CNN reported about Rush a cheer went up. People yelled “Drop Dead Asshole”..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:05:00pm

Not that I put much stock in it personally, but I’ve noticed more than a few folks speculating the 49ers blowing it last night was karmic payback for the way they did Kaepernick.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:05:34pm

It is now very clear that Bernie is a problem for the Democratic party. He has been very much about building a popularity campaign among the 18-25 y.o. demo, the demo that spends most of the time on various social media that is not Facebook (which is Trump territory, given Facebook has been the home to so many interest groups for the 50+ crowd.)

Problem is, on election day the young folk are the lowest turnout, the old folk the highest turnout.

This means that there is a real danger that Bernie is going to split the Democratic party, if not in formal structure then at least in turn-out dynamics.

Will disaffected Berners vote in November, if Bernie is not on the ticket???

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:05:48pm

re: #271 Belafon

Tell them the only poll that matters is the one today.

They only believe Bernie can win. I’m telling you. I really hope if/when Bernie loses, the kind of stuff he inspires loses out. I’m not talking about his ideas per say but how he sells himself as a candidate. It’s too close to Trump and I don’t like it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:06:57pm

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

Not that I put much stock in it personally, but I’ve noticed more than a few folks speculating the 49ers blowing it last night was karmic payback for the way they did Kaepernick.

Nah the previous years after they cutted him were. But I ain’t complaining about the results. Maholmes even though he wasn’t his best last night made it count when he needed to. That’s the story here. The current Niners coach and GM had nothing to do with cutting Kap.

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:07:24pm

re: #275 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They only believe Bernie can win. I’m telling you. I really hope if/when Bernie loses, the kind of stuff he inspires loses out. I’m not talking about his ideas per say but how he sells himself as a candidate. It’s too close to Trump and I don’t like it.

I agree that Bernie’s campaign is problematic. Unfortunately, Biden keeps saying stupid shit about being able to work with Republicans, which isn’t much better.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:07:38pm

re: #272 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m at the Dr’s office waiting. They have the TV on and when CNN reported about Rush a cheer went up. People yelled “Drop Dead Asshole”..

I saw people cheering on the rooftops in Queens.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:07:45pm

re: #274 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It is now very clear that Bernie is a problem for the Democratic party. He has been very much about building a popularity campaign among the 18-25 y.o. demo, the demo that spends most of the time on various social media that is not Facebook (which is Trump territory, given Facebook has been the home to so many interest groups for the 50+ crowd.)

Problem is, on election day the young folk are the lowest turnout, the old folk the highest turnout.

This means that there is a real danger that Bernie is going to split the Democratic party, if not in formal structure then at least in turn-out dynamics.

Will disaffected Berners vote in November, if Bernie is not on the ticket???

They really need to learn to listen to people more. I really think that’s their bgigest problem.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:09:21pm

re: #266 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So the Berners are still going with the conspiracy idea that CNN tanked the Iowa polling because Bernie was in the lead.

It all seems too typical.

if the only way to explain away a potentialloss is with conspiracy theories, then maybe your candidate is not as strong as you think

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:09:27pm

re: #277 EPR-radar

I agree that Bernie’s campaign is problematic. Unfortunately, Biden keeps saying stupid shit about being able to work with Republicans, which isn’t much better.

Right, that’s why I totally feel like I’m in a rock and a hard place. I want someone who has a progressive agenda but I also want someone who knows they’re not a savior.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:10:55pm

re: #280 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

if the only way to explain away a potentialloss is with conspiracy theories, then maybe your candidate is not as strong as you think

And there we have my problem with the Bernie movement, they resort to conspiracies just like the Trumpers. By every metric, Clinton beat SAnders last time. It wasn’t really close. They cry that it was rigged against him but they nver answer why Obama was able to beat Clinton and that was probably why HRC was at her most popular politically. They dismiss Clinton as a weak candidate but ignore Bernie’s own weakneses.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:11:03pm

Now with El Rushbo announcing he has advanced lung cancer The Heinous Anus will give him the Medal of Freedom in 5…4…3…

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:11:05pm

re: #274 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It is now very clear that Bernie is a problem for the Democratic party. He has been very much about building a popularity campaign among the 18-25 y.o. demo, the demo that spends most of the time on various social media that is not Facebook (which is Trump territory, given Facebook has been the home to so many interest groups for the 50+ crowd.)

Problem is, on election day the young folk are the lowest turnout, the old folk the highest turnout.

This means that there is a real danger that Bernie is going to split the Democratic party, if not in formal structure then at least in turn-out dynamics.

Will disaffected Berners vote in November, if Bernie is not on the ticket???

i read somewhere today that bernie is going after the Democratic establishment while the rest of the dem candidates are going after the republican establishment

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:11:24pm

The Limbaugh news reminds me of a scene from “The Lion In Winter”, where Alais accuses Eleanor of poisoning Rosamund…

“No, I never poisoned Rosamund. Oh, I prayed for her to drop, and smiled a little when she did.”

I know there are those who will call us ghouls for wishing him ill - most of them will have cheered each bit of bad health news about RBG - but I don’t think it’s possible to overestimate the corrosive effect of Limbaugh on America. He made it okay for the Right to indulge all their worst thoughts and feelings, and unlike a lot of extremist media types, he did it without appearing to be batshit crazy - a glib and humorous propagandist.

One conservative i knew said he’d first heard Rush while driving through Sacramento, and immediately thought, “He thinks just like me!” He and Gingrich taught the Right that they could get away with shameless lying, as long as they truly were shameless. Which of course paved the way for the most brazen and shameless liar of all.

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rhuarc  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:13:04pm

re: #200 makeitstop

Straight from the horse’s mouth, apparently.

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Good. I’m glad. I’m not going to be one of those people that tries to be bigger and nicer. Fuck Limbaugh. The world will be better off when he’s no longer here.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:13:21pm

538 has Bernie winning California in 4 weeks:

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

I’m still kind of doubtful about that.

Still, it seems like it’s going to come down to a Biden-Bernie fight for delegates.

This is not how the Democratic party should work.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:14:35pm

re: #285 Blind Frog Belly White

The Limbaugh news reminds me of a scene from “The Lion In Winter”, where Alais accuses Eleanor of poisoning Rosamund…

“No, I never poisoned Rosamund. Oh, I prayed for her to drop, and smiled a little when she did.”

I know there are those who will call us ghouls for wishing him ill - most of them will have cheered each bit of bad health news about RBG - but I don’t think it’s possible to overestimate the corrosive effect of Limbaugh on America. He made it okay for the Right to indulge all their worst thoughts and feelings, and unlike a lot of extremist media types, he did it without appearing to be batshit crazy - a glib and humorous propagandist.

One conservative i knew said he’d first heard Rush while driving through Sacramento, and immediately thought, “He thinks just like me!” He and Gingrich taught the Right that they could get away with shameless lying, as long as they truly were shameless. Which of course paved the way for the most brazen and shameless liar of all.

It’s like how I felt when Andrew Breitbart. Why should i feel bad for a guy who made his name demonizing people and also producing fake videos designed to get people fired. I remembered Shirley Sherrod when Breitbart died. And now as Rush announces he’s sick with lung cancer, I’ll remember him mocking Michael J. Fox for wanting stem cell research, something that Rush only opposed because it was the GOP party line not because Rush has any serious thoughts about bioethics or the viability of stem cell treatment and because he wanted a cheap laugh from the yokels who hang onto his every word. Rush Limbaugh should be viewed the same way Father Coughlin is. A malignant ass pimple on the American psyche.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:17:22pm

re: #288 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Gee, Rush! Maybe you shouldn’t have trashed stem cell research. Coulda come in handy for you…

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:19:18pm

re: #285 Blind Frog Belly White

The Limbaugh news reminds me of a scene from “The Lion In Winter”, where Alais accuses Eleanor of poisoning Rosamund…

“No, I never poisoned Rosamund. Oh, I prayed for her to drop, and smiled a little when she did.”

I know there are those who will call us ghouls for wishing him il
l - most of them will have cheered each bit of bad health news about RBG - but I don’t think it’s possible to overestimate the corrosive effect of Limbaugh on America. He made it okay for the Right to indulge all their worst thoughts and feelings, and unlike a lot of extremist media types, he did it without appearing to be batshit crazy - a glib and humorous propagandist.

One conservative i knew said he’d first heard Rush while driving through Sacramento, and immediately thought, “He thinks just like me!” He and Gingrich taught the Right that they could get away with shameless lying, as long as they truly were shameless. Which of course paved the way for the most brazen and shameless liar of all.

he was never an honest broker, so i treat him as a crackpot.
he’s an unabashed and unrepentant liar. He won’t be able to lie much longer.

if i said i dont give a damn that he’s ill that would be way more interest and attention than i have.

i dont know how many people were actively pricking voodoo dolls yesterday - those people i’d say wished him ill.

i wonder if it’s not so much wishing him ill as not being all that bothered that he is.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:19:25pm

re: #289 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gee, Rush! Maybe you shouldn’t have trashed stem cell research. Coulda come in handy for you…

I don’t know if it will help him or not but teh fact that he did is certainly why I’m not showing any sympathy. Plus the fact that he thought it was the peak of wit to belittle a 13 year old girl as a dog on the air. He never apologized. He just claimed it was satire even though if his ass ever actually read Swift, he would be going to a children’s hospital morgue looking for a bite to eat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:19:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:20:16pm

I still remember the day Coughlin died in 1979. Grandma was staying with us and she let out a big whoop when his death was mentioned on NBC’s Nightly News. She cheered and was so happy hearing it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:20:49pm

re: #290 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

he was never an honest broker, so i treat him as a crackpot.
he’s an unabashed and unrepentant liar. He won’t be able to lie much longer.

if i said i dont give a damn that he’s ill that would be way more interest and attention than i have.

i dont know how many people were actively pricking voodoo dolls yesterday - those people i’d say wished him ill.

i wonder if it’s not so much wishing him ill as not being all that bothered that he is.

Yeah I never would actively Rush ill but I’m really not that bothered by the fact he is. I really hope he does use this time to take a good hard look at himself and the world he’s helped to create though and realizes the world will be better off without him in it.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:22:37pm

re: #256 Scottish Dragon

The opposite of love is indifference. Don’t bother with hate about him now. Just refuse to care at all.

I agree. Let him vanish and when he does no one will really care. -except for various “both sides” type journalists want to show that compassion can run both ways… never mind Limbaugh never once showed any compassion and would have loved to lead a death march of his “femizazi liberal “ enemies into ovens.

There will be no big public memorials. No moments of silence, no gatherings of candle vigils, no flower memorials.. just empty silence as just another voice of hate disappears from this world>

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:22:43pm

re: #294 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I never would actively Rush ill but I’m really not that bothered by the fact he is. I really hope he does use this time to take a good hard look at himself and the world he’s helped to create though and realizes the world will be better off without him in it.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
….gasps for air….
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
.
.
.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:23:38pm

re: #287 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

538 has Bernie winning California in 4 weeks:

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

I’m still kind of doubtful about that.

Still, it seems like it’s going to come down to a Biden-Bernie fight for delegates.

This is not how the Democratic party should work.

I don’t think Bernie is going to pull it off in Iowa tonight. Joni Ernst is going to trigger a backlash from caucus goers for Biden.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:25:11pm

re: #293 Joe Bacon 🌹

I still remember the day Coughlin died in 1979. Grandma was staying with us and she let out a big whoop when his death was mentioned on NBC’s Nightly News. She cheered and was so happy hearing it.

We thankfully did learn about him as a bad part of history in school. I’m hoping that Rush will be rememebred the same way too. He didn’t offer critiques of liberalism. Just the farts of a stupid bully who spoke for the resentments of millions of bigots who couldn’t accept that the country changed. I knew the Republican Party was severely fucked as a brand when Rush was deemed their most influential member. It’s too bad that Rush never got cocky and tried to run for office because to quote him I would have loved to seen him fail as a politician. I would have loved to seen the likes of Pelosi, Biden, the Clintons, or Obama run circles around him because Rush is one of the most ignorant people out there. Yeah he’s been successful in propaganda but no one would ever call Rush a great thinker.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:25:44pm

I feel bad for the cancer.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:25:45pm

re: #296 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
….gasps for air….
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
.
.
.

That’s my nice way of saying I hope it’s painful.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:26:04pm

re: #299 The Pie Overlord!

I feel bad for the cancer.

Thoughts and prayers for its family.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:27:34pm

re: #298 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

If you want to see Rush fail spectacularly then rewind back to his massive fail of a TV show back in the 90’s. One elderly woman in the audience took him to school. His show died a quick death as these right wing loons never survive for long outside their top-down controlled Conservative environments.

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:28:07pm

re: #281 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Right, that’s why I totally feel like I’m in a rock and a hard place. I want someone who has a progressive agenda but I also want someone who knows they’re not a savior.

I’m almost certain to vote for Warren in the primary.

Naturally, no matter who wins the D primary, I’ll vote for them in the general.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:28:14pm

When it comes to Pigboy (as dear departed Bartcop called him), Google “Jeff Christie” and see why Rush was fired from a Pittsburgh radio station…

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:28:31pm

I’ve been waiting since 1995 to say about Limbaugh what he said about Jerry Garcia: “Just another dead doper. And a dirtbag.”

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:29:11pm

re: #265 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

There is a lot going on in that tweet

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Is the video backward or is Melania’s heart on the wrong side of her body?

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:29:59pm

re: #255 EPR-radar

I’m a bit more one-sided that that — if it’s cancer vs. Rush Limbaugh, I’ll root for the cancer.

If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.

—Winston Churchill

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:30:38pm

re: #303 EPR-radar

I’m almost certain to vote for Warren in the primary.

Naturally, no matter who wins the D primary, I’ll vote for them in the general.

Right now, I’m undecided between Biden, Warren, and Klobuchar.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:30:39pm

re: #306 BeachDem

Is the video backward or is Melania’s heart on the wrong side of her body?

her kidneys got in the way…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:30:45pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:31:45pm

Why I’m not at all one bit sorry about Rush.

Watch Limbaugh Mock Michael J. Fox

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:32:06pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:33:10pm

re: #305 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’ve been waiting since 1995 to say about Limbaugh what he said about Jerry Garcia: “Just another dead doper. And a dirtbag.”

I think that’s what I’ve always hated about Rush. The whole dickhead attitude to other people who suffered. He made dickhead remarks about Kurt Cobain too. It’s why I laugh at the conesrvatives saying “Be nice, he was a huge influence on conservatives everywhere” and I am thinking “Yeah? That’s exactly why we shouldn’t feel that bad for him.” I mean he’s going to get the help he needs. So IMO karma is the best word for Rush here. I do hope he lives to see Trump defeated though.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:34:18pm

re: #311 GlutenFreeJesus

Why I’m not at all one bit sorry about Rush.

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And he was doing this a decade before Trump mocked the reporter. Trump acting like a jackass and conservatives everywehre excusing him as a clever satirist is what helped make Trump palatable to Republican voters.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:35:13pm

re: #306 BeachDem

Is the video backward or is Melania’s heart on the wrong side of her body?

video is backward. you can see Baron & others with hand in same direction

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:35:49pm

Manchin sounding like he’s leaning convict, but who the fuck knows what he’ll do.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:36:16pm

A guy I knew in High School sent me a friend request on FB over Christmas. We were pretty good friends back then.

Nearly all his posts are reposts of crazy ‘Erik von Daniken’, ancient aliens shit. Mostly, I’ve ignored them, but one the other day seemed to cry out for a response. It said, “The Great Pyramid at Giza is at 29.972458 degrees North. The speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second. Coincidence?”

I responded, “Seeing as how degrees, meters, and seconds are all arbitrary units invented thousands of years after the pyramid was built - Yeah.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:36:34pm

Interesting news about Limbaugh. I had cancer and managed to beat it. Unlike many other Americans, I had the resources for the proper treatment. Needless to say Limbaugh will also have whatever resources might be needed, though apparently his prognosis is much worse than mine. Unlike him, I have done what I could to make those kinds of resources available to others, though with less success than a decent person would hope. In fact, Rush Limbaugh has done the opposite. He has been a major factor in denying decent health care to millions of others, a national disgrace that is unique in the industrialized world. I hope he does recover and learns something from the experience but I am not optimistic on either count.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:36:56pm

re: #315 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

video is backward. you can see Baron & others with hand in same direction

Either that or Trump attracts a certain kind of stupid wherever he goes.
/

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:37:11pm

re: #316 BeachDem

Manchin sounding like he’s leaning convict, but who the fuck knows what he’ll do.

Even if Manchin votes to acquit, our anger should be directed at Republicans.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:37:22pm

re: #316 BeachDem

Manchin sounding like he’s leaning convict, but who the fuck knows what he’ll do.

Manchin did vote for witnesses. That was pretty significant IMO.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:37:58pm

re: #320 Belafon

Even if Manchin votes to acquit, our anger should be directed at Republicans.

Agreed. I’ll probably let out a fuck him but Manchin in the end of the day isn’t why this is being covered up.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:38:01pm

re: #316 BeachDem

Manchin sounding like he’s leaning convict, but who the fuck knows what he’ll do.

He’ll vote present, since he “didn’t see enough evidence either way” then go home to have a few fundraisers

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:38:26pm

re: #294 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I never would actively Rush ill but I’m really not that bothered by the fact he is. I really hope he does use this time to take a good hard look at himself and the world he’s helped to create though and realizes the world will be better off without him in it.

That’s what happened to Lee Atwater.

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A Three Hour Tour  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:39:48pm

re: #302 Florida Panhandler

If you want to see Rush fail spectacularly then rewind back to his massive fail of a TV show back in the 90’s. One elderly woman in the audience took him to school. His show died a quick death as these right wing loons never survive for long outside their top-down controlled Conservative environments.

Produced by Roger Ailes, IIRC.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:40:28pm

Well, that’s something I guess

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:40:39pm

Don’t give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:41:28pm

re: #324 sagehen

That’s what happened to Lee Atwater.

That’s honestly who I was thinking of when I said what I said. There’s no way Rush can undo the damage he’s done but I hold out some small hope that maybe this cancer will remind him of some shit. He’ll probably get taken care of by some nurse who is likely an immigrant and has no idea who he is. When my grandmother was sick of the last month of last year, we really were touched by the dedication and kindness of the nurses. Many of whom are immigrants. Grandma made good friends with them.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:43:01pm

re: #327 DodgerFan1988

Don’t give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side.

I don’t think he had it coming or that he deserves it but I do think he should definitely be thinking about all the times he mocked liberals for wanting to reduce smoking because of lung cancer while smoking one of his big fat cigars.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:43:32pm

Man, you would think Twitter would do something

//

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:44:21pm

re: #325 A Three Hour Tour

Produced by Roger Ailes, IIRC.

The biggest myth of Fox and the right wing media is how they’re champions of the everyman. Ailes is a former Nixon staffer and Murdoch himself comes from the British commonwealth elite. These aren’t regular guys. They’re a bunch of snobs playing the regular guy. And a lot of people bought it because the resentments tehy play to.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:44:59pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:45:23pm

re: #292 Blind Frog Belly White

Unfortunately for Schiff, Trump is exactly who the GOP is. Their behavior when Obama was President demonstrated that they had no ethics, compassion or courage — and everything has gone further downhill with Trump’s election.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:45:29pm

re: #330 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Related thread

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:46:16pm

re: #329 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t think he had it coming or that he deserves it but I do think he should definitely be thinking about all the times he mocked liberals for wanting to reduce smoking because of lung cancer while smoking one of his big fat cigars.

Exactly. I mean, I know you can get lung cancer if you DON’T smoke, but being a regular smoker of large cigars certainly increases ones chances of getting the disease. Rush isn’t exactly free of blame here.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:46:43pm

I reiterate: Fuck Cancer and Fuck Limbaugh.

Limbaugh will seek out and be able to get the highest levels of medical care one could hope for under the circustances. His wealth allows him to go wherever he wants for specialist care and cost is not a concern.

His nonstop propaganda about health care in this country led to curbing health care options for millions of Americans. Right wingers who follow his know nothing approach helped gut Obamacare and means that millions of Americans who face a similar prognosis don’t have any options and will shoulder the costs entirely because they are without coverage. They will be saddled with medically induced bankruptcies as hospitals try to recoup the costs and some hospitals will continue to go bankrupt in the red states that didn’t expand Medicare coverage since they don’t get reimbursed in a timely manner for indigent care.

Early diagnosis and preventative care under Obamacare helps improve public health, but Trump and Rush types have fought against all that.

So fuck Rush. I fear for the millions of Americans who don’t have his means to deal with such a prognosis and diagnosis. The GOP doesn’t give a fuck for any of them.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:47:01pm

re: #333 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfortunately for Schiff, Trump is exactly who the GOP is. Their behavior when Obama was President demonstrated that they had no ethics, compassion or courage — and everything has gone further downhill with Trump’s election.

Schiff really isn’t just talking to the GOP Senators here, he’s talking to the electorate. Trust me, Schiff knows full well what you’re talking about. It’s just that the prior bad faith of the GOP isn’t relevant to his individual case here.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:47:11pm

I’m sure everyone needs a good laugh
So, look behind the ‘clicky’

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:47:16pm

re: #324 sagehen

That’s what happened to Lee Atwater.

It still astounds me that Atwater was able to do all the damage he did and was only 40 when he died. (The “widder” Atwater still runs her stupid mouth.)

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:48:02pm

re: #337 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Schiff Biden really isn’t just talking to the GOP Senators here, he’s talking to the electorate. Trust me, Schiff Biden knows full well what you’re talking about. It’s just that the prior bad faith of the GOP isn’t relevant to his individual case here.

Similarly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:48:19pm

re: #335 Eclectic Cyborg

Exactly. I mean, I know you can get lung cancer if you DON’T smoke, but being a regular smoker of large cigars certainly increases ones chances of getting the disease. Rush isn’t exactly free of blame here.

Dare I say maybe Rush should take some “personal responsibility” and not be begging for prayers? // I’m sorry to sound so catty about it but the asshole’s hypocritical bullshit involving addicts for years infuriated me. He’s allowed to pop Oxy but then he talks shit about “junkies” to his audience.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:48:46pm

re: #338 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I’m sure everyone needs a good laugh
So, look behind the ‘clicky’

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He’s good at crayon?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:48:49pm

Well, that was weird. I just got a call on my iPhone. The caller ID said, “Potential Spam; Orlando Florida”. That’s the first one I’ve gotten like that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:48:54pm

re: #340 Belafon

Similarly.

Yea, this is why I’m slowly becoming more bullish on Biden. But still undecided here.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:49:28pm

re: #341 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Dare I say maybe Rush should take some “personal responsibility” and not be begging for prayers? // I’m sorry to sound so catty about it but the asshole’s hypocritical bullshit involving addicts for years infuriated me. He’s allowed to pop Oxy but then he talks shit about “junkies” to his audience.

Why isn’t someone saying God did it? //

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:49:31pm

re: #342 Belafon

He’s good at crayon?

Sharpie.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:49:44pm

re: #344 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yea, this is why I’m slowly becoming more bullish on Biden. But still undecided here.

I just wish Joe would give up on trying to reach across the aisle. It’s just NOT going to work.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:50:03pm

re: #343 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, that was weird. I just got a call on my iPhone. The caller ID said, “Potential Spam; Orlando Florida”. That’s the first one I’ve gotten like that.

Are you on AT&T? I’ve been getting those from them for about 6 months.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:51:07pm

re: #339 BeachDem

It still astounds me that Atwater was able to do all the damage he did and was only 40 when he died. (The “widder” Atwater still runs her stupid mouth.)

Atwater in the Age of the Internet. Honestly, I can’t be objective on Atwater having not lived it. Some think he was contrite and others thought that too was an act. I have no idea but I know this much, the 1992 election was better without him. And my opinion of HW Bush would be much higher if he never hired him.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:52:22pm

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

I just wish Joe would give up on trying to reach across the aisle. It’s just NOT going to work.

I don’t think he’s trying to reach across the aisle. I think he’s talking to Democrats that are fearful of the us-against-them talk coming from other Democrats. And they exist. They could agree that if Republicans oppose important measures Democrats should go ahead but still believe that the rhetoric doesn’t need to come from our party.

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:52:34pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:53:14pm

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

I just wish Joe would give up on trying to reach across the aisle. It’s just NOT going to work.

Yeah I do think he goes out of his way to be a little too kind to his former Republican colleagues. However, i also think it’s a little more complicated than that. I think he’s trying to set himself up with a bigger win than if he were to go more partisan which would allow his agenda to be more ambitious.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:53:51pm

re: #348 Belafon

Are you on AT&T? I’ve been getting those from them for about 6 months.

Verizon

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:54:16pm

re: #348 Belafon

Are you on AT&T? I’ve been getting those from them for about 6 months.

They have an app called Call Protect. If you get a call from a spam number or telemarketer you can flag it as such so that when other people get the same call they see the alert, it’s basically a crowdsourcing concept being used to fight garbage calls. Perhaps Verizon has something similar?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:55:19pm

re: #348 Belafon

Are you on AT&T? I’ve been getting those from them for about 6 months.

And lord knows, I’ve gotten plenty of spam calls. Usually either “The Department of Social Security Administration”, or a woman who talks to me in Chinese.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:55:53pm

re: #351 gocart mozart

Pill-popping cigar chomping white supremacist has cancer?

Womp Womp.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:56:03pm

Dry, Josh. Real dry.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:56:11pm

re: #350 Belafon

I don’t think he’s trying to reach across the aisle. I think he’s talking to Democrats that are fearful of the us-against-them talk coming from other Democrats. And they exist. They could agree that if Republicans oppose important measures Democrats should go ahead but still believe that the rhetoric doesn’t need to come from our party.

And you guys gotta realize that the electorate is more moderate too. A lot of the more radical proposals give some people pause. My mom for example isn’t sold on free college for all and I’ll be honest I’m not either. What she is on board with is a plan that would make community college free for all and Biden through his wife who teaches at the same community college system I attended I think has an understanding of how those community colleges help students grow. I was an average high school then, a better community college student, and an even better college student.

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A Three Hour Tour  Feb 3, 2020 • 1:56:39pm

For more than thirty years, Rush Limbaugh has been a cancer on civility and political discourse. He has long mocked the sick and afflicted. He is reaping what he has sown.

Rejoicing in his misfortune is a bad look, but damned if he doesn’t deserve a little karmic retribution.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:00:33pm

In the early days of the Iraq war, Limbaugh once said “You can’t be for the troops and against the war.” Fuck him.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:00:56pm

re: #358 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And you guys gotta realize that the electorate is more moderate too. A lot of the more radical proposals give some people pause. My mom for example isn’t sold on free college for all and I’ll be honest I’m not either. What she is on board with is a plan that would make community college free for all and Biden through his wife who teaches at the same community college system I attended I think has an understanding of how those community colleges help students grow. I was an average high school then, a better community college student, and an even better college student.

I am for free college as long as the term includes any trade schools or any other type of training - such as training to be a barber, electrician, or dental tech - and we also do some type of mandating of equivalent training, and set standards for the schools. I would also require every school, no matter the level, to require classes on government.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:01:02pm

re: #349 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Atwater in the Age of the Internet. Honestly, I can’t be objective on Atwater having not lived it. Some think he was contrite and others thought that too was an act. I have no idea but I know this much, the 1992 election was better without him. And my opinion of HW Bush would be much higher if he never hired him.

HW also endorsed Sally Atwater when she ran for state superintendent of education in 2014, so he apparently didn’t learn from his mistakes.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:04:18pm

re: #362 BeachDem

HW also endorsed Sally Atwater when she ran for state superintendent of education in 2014, so he apparently didn’t learn from his mistakes.

HW is hard for me to figure out. Some stuff I admire, some stuff was really bad tho.

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Skip Intro  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:04:26pm

re: #359 A Three Hour Tour

Well I hope as he is slowing dying in misery from cancer he stays a True Conservative and pays for all his treatment himself instead of falling into the trap of using evil government sponsored socialized medicine like Medicare. Go out like the True Believer you are Rush. It’s the least you can do.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:05:28pm

re: #359 A Three Hour Tour

Why is it a bad look? This is a man who openly mocks the suffering of his political opponents. Karma.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:06:42pm

re: #343 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, that was weird. I just got a call on my iPhone. The caller ID said, “Potential Spam; Orlando Florida”. That’s the first one I’ve gotten like that.

T-Mobile US will send a “Scam Likely” name out for a suspicious spam caller ID - works on all of my devices, including my $10/mo. landline replacement.

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Skip Intro  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:07:11pm

re: #365 Patricia Kayden

Why is it a bad look? This is a man who openly mocks the suffering of his political opponents. Karma.

I agree. When are Democrats going to get their balls out of the safe deposit box and start playing the game like they wanted to win for once?

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:09:34pm

re: #316 BeachDem

Manchin sounding like he’s leaning convict, but who the fuck knows what he’ll do.

I am more concerned about Jones. He has a real reason to hedge his bets.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:10:20pm

re: #366 Eric The Fruit Bat

I seem to recall that all of the big 4 wireless carriers agreed to share each other’s spam phone lists to cut back on fraudulent calls.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:10:43pm

re: #368 retired cynic

I am more concerned about Jones. He has a real reason to hedge his bets.

Jones is someone I respect but I really hope knows that his odds are slim either way, just do the right thing here.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:13:15pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:16:15pm

re: #371 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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It’s like talking to a wall with them. They just do not understand that not everyone loves let alone likes Bernie.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:17:46pm

re: #361 Belafon

I am for free college as long as the term includes any trade schools or any other type of training - such as training to be a barber, electrician, or dental tech - and we also do some type of mandating of equivalent training, and set standards for the schools. I would also require every school, no matter the level, to require classes on government.

Yes, I just think what Bernie proposes leaves those behind who don’t pursue the traditional 4 year undergraduate experience. It’s too broad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:17:49pm

re: #343 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, that was weird. I just got a call on my iPhone. The caller ID said, “Potential Spam; Orlando Florida”. That’s the first one I’ve gotten like that.

I got one yesterday: “SPAM WASHINGTON”
It was a trump robocall; he was begging for re-election money.

for reals

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makeitstop  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:20:24pm

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

I got one yesterday: “SPAM WASHINGTON”
It was a trump robocall; he was begging for re-election money.

for reals

I get them all the time on my land line. Most of the time they’re either spoofed numbers to look like a local call, or they’ve got area codes like ‘122.’ I don’t know anyone wherever that is, they go right to the answering machine but they never leave a message.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:20:44pm

Bernie Sanders is too fucking old to be President. End of story.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:20:54pm

Go throw a snowball, Inhofe, you ignorant asshole.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:21:24pm

re: #359 A Three Hour Tour

I’ve rooted for friends and family, and friends of friends, and even celebrities I’ve never met, to beat cancer, and many many many did not. Cancer doesn’t give a fuck about karma or who’s more deserving or who might be missed less than another.

But a long time ago I gave myself permission not to give a rat’s ass about the fates of certain people, or if it was improper to speak ill of them after they died. It happens so seldom to real, true assholes, it’s almost like finding money in the washing machine when you hear some epic asshole dies sooner than someone less of an asshole.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:21:28pm

re: #375 makeitstop

I get them all the time on my land line. Most of the time they’re either spoofed numbers to look like a local call, or they’ve got area codes like ‘122.’ I don’t know anyone wherever that is, they go right to the answering machine but they never leave a message.

That’s my test. If it’s a legit call, they’ll usually leave a message.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:24:01pm

That #CaucusForYang is number four on the Twitter trends tells us everything we need to know about social media, to know that it is not a good predictor of elections.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:24:20pm

re: #372 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s like talking to a wall with them. They just do not understand that not everyone loves let alone likes Bernie.

Or thinks he would be able to get a god damn thing done, given his Senate track record and childish “if I don’t get my way, there will be giant protests” strategy.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:25:41pm

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

I got one yesterday: “SPAM WASHINGTON”
It was a trump robocall; he was begging for re-election money.

for reals

I get many, many emails telling me that my RNCC membership is about to expire if I don’t send them beaucoup bucks. I’m in luck, though—they’ve extended my renewal period has been extended another few days. Not sure how I got on that list, as I would rather flush money down the toilet than ever give a dime to Republicans, but some of the emails are hilarious in their frantic/frenzied pitch.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:26:07pm

re: #381 Jebediah, RBG

Or thinks he would be able to get a god damn thing done, given his Senate track record and childish “if I don’t get my way, there will be giant protests” strategy.

I keep on asking about his legislative record. I keep on asking about the NRA endorsements and his record of expressing anti immigrant sentiment. He’s not the fairest of them all.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:27:34pm
That’s my test. If it’s a legit call, they’ll usually leave a message.

They’re sending me text messages. Just received a new one

FIFTH & FINAL NOTICE: Your deadline to support President Trump has been extended to 11:59PM and you are ELIGIBLE for 5x-matched support.

I responded back to take me off their list — not as though that will do anything useful.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:27:57pm

Am I alone here in being intrigued by Manchin’s censure suggestion? I don’t know if he has any way to get it past McConnell to a vote, but if he could, it puts the Lamar Alexanders and Lisa Murkowskis of the world on the spot, at least a little. Alexander, especially - if he’s on the record as endorsing the findings of the House managers and the case they presented, even if he’s not going to vote to remove, the optics of a no vote on censure look bad.

(If any Rs care about optics or looking bad anymore, which is not a certainty at all.)

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ckkatz  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:28:19pm

re: #189 Shropshire Slasher

Rush Limbaugh diagnosed with advanced lung cancer.

I do appreciate that you let us know.

This sums up my view of Mr Limbaugh’s personal problems :

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:29:46pm

re: #385 i(m)p(each)sos

Am I alone here in being intrigued by Manchin’s censure suggestion? I don’t know if he has any way to get it past McConnell to a vote, but if he could, it puts the Lamar Alexanders and Lisa Murkowskis of the world on the spot, at least a little. Alexander, especially - if he’s on the record as endorsing the findings of the House managers and the case they presented, even if he’s not going to vote to remove, the optics of a no vote on censure look bad.

(If any Rs care about optics or looking bad anymore, which is not a certainty at all.)

It’s not a bad idea really. The Senate at the very least act like he’s done nothing wrong.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:30:32pm

re: #371 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Bernie’s a TV show that keeps getting shown despite shit ratings and a tiny fanbase. The network execs knew it was a mistake to pick it up for a second season, but they had enough money that they could afford to gamble that this season would be the winner. And if it fails, there’s other shows that are more popular with stronger followings that are there to take it’s place.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:31:04pm

re: #372 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s like talking to a wall with them. They just do not understand that not everyone loves let alone likes Bernie.

a lot of people cannot understand why everyone doesn’t think they way they do

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:31:46pm

On the subject of Rush the Hutt and his impending demise, I think I’ll repeat the wisdom my Dad imparted to me: “Karma’s a bitch.”

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:33:43pm
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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:33:53pm

re: #343 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, that was weird. I just got a call on my iPhone. The caller ID said, “Potential Spam; Orlando Florida”. That’s the first one I’ve gotten like that.

I get a lot of those! Or “Telemarketer”…

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:33:58pm

re: #385 i(m)p(each)sos

Am I alone here in being intrigued by Manchin’s censure suggestion? I don’t know if he has any way to get it past McConnell to a vote, but if he could, it puts the Lamar Alexanders and Lisa Murkowskis of the world on the spot, at least a little. Alexander, especially - if he’s on the record as endorsing the findings of the House managers and the case they presented, even if he’s not going to vote to remove, the optics of a no vote on censure look bad.

(If any Rs care about optics or looking bad anymore, which is not a certainty at all.)

it’s not nothing and im all for it because a lot has changed since saturday - ie some R’s tipped their hand

electoral-vote.com this past saturday

A: This is an idea that’s being bandied about, at least by the commentariat. We doubt that it comes to fruition, though. Donald Trump is thin-skinned enough that even a mild rebuke would enrage him, and he would likely try to punish any senator who dared vote for it. So, Republicans probably wouldn’t want to try it. Meanwhile, the Democrats would likely prefer not to give folks like Cory Gardner and Susan Collins an “out.” They want vulnerable Republicans to be firmly on the record when it comes to enabling Trump, and they don’t want to create a mushy middle where a GOP senator can effectively have it both ways.

As to historical precedents, there have been a few actions taken by the Congress that could be interpreted as presidential censures. The clearest was indeed targeted at Andrew Jackson, and was the work of his Whig enemies in the Senate, who were unhappy about his handling of the Second Bank of the United States. Once Jackson’s Democratic Party regained control of the Senate, they quickly expunged the censure. This precedent is probably why presidential censures are rare-to-non-existent. What is the point, if they are only going to last until the chamber changes hands?

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Skip Intro  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:33:59pm
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ckkatz  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:34:06pm

re: #385 i(m)p(each)sos

Am I alone here in being intrigued by Manchin’s censure suggestion? I don’t know if he has any way to get it past McConnell to a vote, but if he could, it puts the Lamar Alexanders and Lisa Murkowskis of the world on the spot, at least a little. Alexander, especially - if he’s on the record as endorsing the findings of the House managers and the case they presented, even if he’s not going to vote to remove, the optics of a no vote on censure look bad.

(If any Rs care about optics or looking bad anymore, which is not a certainty at all.)

A few days ago, Dave Jolly (former Republican Congressman, now a commentator on MSNBC) noted that there is a critical number in all elected Republicans minds, 92%. Tht is the minimum number of base votes they need to carry in order to swin an election. The Republicans seem to be caught in the dilemma of standing on two canoes right now, that of the general electorate and that of the base. The two groups are drifting apart and they may not be able to keep one foot in each.

I suspect that they are concerned that even a censure will alienate more than 8% of the base.

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:34:49pm

Angus King on MSNBC earlier today:

“I asked some of my Republican colleagues; we give a lot of money to Israel. What if Trump were to call the Prime Minister and say ‘we’re going to withhold your aid unless you come to the States 2 weeks before the election and accuse my opponent of anti-semitism. Is that okay with you?’ None of them would answer me.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:36:52pm

re: #396 sagehen

Angus King on MSNBC earlier today:

“I asked some of my Republican colleagues; we give a lot of money to Israel. What if Trump were to call the Prime Minister and say ‘we’re going to withhold your aid unless you come to the States 2 weeks before the election and accuse my opponent of anti-semitism. Is that okay with you?’ None of them would answer me.”

Win

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:37:05pm

re: #384 Hecuba’s daughter

They’re sending me text messages. Just received a new one

FIFTH & FINAL NOTICE: Your deadline to support President Trump has been extended to 11:59PM and you are ELIGIBLE for 5x-matched support.

I responded back to take me off their list — not as though that will do anything useful.

I’ve been getting texts that Erin, or Sandi, or someone else has invited me to their event, then some weird address cutt.ly other crap—different on each one (and the tts are like little scrabble tiles) then the number 12 in a cross-out red circle. Then Tell…

I’ve received about 5 of these in the past few days.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:37:36pm

re: #396 sagehen

Angus King on MSNBC earlier today:

“I asked some of my Republican colleagues; we give a lot of money to Israel. What if Trump were to call the Prime Minister and say ‘we’re going to withhold your aid unless you come to the States 2 weeks before the election and accuse my opponent of anti-semitism. Is that okay with you?’ None of them would answer me.”

they all know
we know they know
everybody knows

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Mike Lamb  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:39:46pm

re: #396 sagehen

Angus King on MSNBC earlier today:

“I asked some of my Republican colleagues; we give a lot of money to Israel. What if Trump were to call the Prime Minister and say ‘we’re going to withhold your aid unless you come to the States 2 weeks before the election and accuse my opponent of anti-semitism. Is that okay with you?’ None of them would answer me.”

Bibi would do it for free.

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Mescalero09  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:40:09pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:41:22pm

A censure vote is nice as an abstract, but in the eyes of Trump such a vote would be no less a “betrayal” of him than a vote to convict, so there’s no chance Mitch would ever allow it to actually come to a vote. Or that, if the Senate Dems found a way around him, 4 “moderates” would break ranks to help it pass.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:42:03pm

re: #391 gocart mozart

“No matter how mitch you hate him.”

Nice Freudian slip lol.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:43:03pm

re: #399 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

they all know
we know they know
everybody knows

Good to put it out there tho especially since King is in fact an independent

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:43:16pm

He’s making a list and checking it twice gonna find out who’s naughty and nice Santa Trump will take Bolton down…

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:43:21pm

FYI if you’re getting a bunch of text messages you don’t want from campaigns, or anybody, just reply with one word -> “Stop”

If they’re using an automated system that will usually trigger you being dropped from the list.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:43:27pm

We will now hear from Ms. “I married the boss and then we donated big bucks and look at me now—I’M A SENATOR!!”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:43:56pm

re: #402 Targetpractice

A censure vote is nice as an abstract, but in the eyes of Trump such a vote would be no less a “betrayal” of him than a vote to convict, so there’s no chance Mitch would ever allow it to actually come to a vote. Or that, if the Senate Dems found a way around him, 4 “moderates” would break ranks to help it pass.

I think that might be part of the game. Show the country that Trump can’t admit wrongdoing.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:44:08pm

re: #405 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s making a list and checking it twice gonna find out who’s naughty and nice Santa Trump will take Bolton down…

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Criminally prosecute him? FOR WHAT?!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:44:14pm

Karma just isn’t stopping the retribution today…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:44:19pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:45:04pm

re: #405 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s making a list and checking it twice gonna find out who’s naughty and nice Santa Trump will take Bolton down…

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Oh but the pike.//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:47:09pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:47:12pm

re: #409 Targetpractice

Criminally prosecute him? FOR WHAT?!

Trump doesn’t need a reason but Barr will find one just to make it look good.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:47:26pm

Caucuses may seem weird, but in a sense they more represent how a society works than anonymous voting in primaries.

Still, in this day, all these kinds of voting mechanisms seem a little old fashion.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:48:26pm

“The news media are exaggerating! They’re making things up! The President would never use his office to go after those he perceives as enemies!”

“ANY WHO HAVE CROSSED ME WILL BE PUT TO THE SWORD!”

“What we meant to say is the President is totally justified in his campaign of revenge because Dems said mean things about him.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:48:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:49:17pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:49:48pm

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well fuck, in that case, Biden it is!

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ckkatz  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:50:38pm

re: #409 Targetpractice

Criminally prosecute him? FOR WHAT?!

Most likely by some fake claim of classification of his book material. But it really doesn’t matter. The goal would be to screw with him and cost him time and money. Even if it ends up being nothing-burger.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:52:28pm

re: #419 Targetpractice

Well fuck, in that case, Biden it is!

Funny how they think they can get Warren supporters to give into their demands yet act like the DNC bullies them. Bunch of anti democracy douches.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:52:51pm

THREAD

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:53:07pm

re: #418 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s going to lose it even more.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:53:55pm

Here we go

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:54:29pm

re: #422 The Pie Overlord!

THREAD

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Had forgotten he went after 9/11 widows. He really is awful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:54:56pm
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Mike Lamb  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:56:15pm

re: #405 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s making a list and checking it twice gonna find out who’s naughty and nice Santa Trump will take Bolton down…

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And Bolton would rather be prosecuted that an actually hurt the overall cause…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:57:18pm

re: #425 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Had forgotten he went after 9/11 widows. He really is awful.

I came straight here after reading the headline on Fark. I am, almost universally, one person who does not wish death or pain on other people, no matter how despicable. This is not one of those times. Rush Limbaugh was the living embodiment of my right-wing upbringing, and the shit he spewed decades ago still comes up in family conversations to this very day. I wish him a slow and agonizing death, and I do not say that lightly. Fuck off and die, Rush, and say hello to my personal demons when you arrive in Hell.

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Mescalero09  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:57:51pm

My thoughts on Rush Limbaugh who IMHO has been a cancer to freedom and liberty and Democracy and decency and American Values and Justice since DAY ONE.
They say you do not need to be witness to evil people being served justice. As long as justice is served.
But it’s so nice to see.
Just heart warming.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:58:19pm

re: #428 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I came straight here after reading the headline on Fark. I am, almost universally, one person who does not wish death or pain on other people, no matter how despicable. This is not one of those times. Rush Limbaugh was the living embodiment of my right-wing upbringing, and the shit he spewed decades ago still comes up in family conversations to this very day. I wish him a slow and agonizing death, and I do not say that lightly. Fuck off and die, Rush, and say hello to my personal demons when you arrive in Hell.

I have been happy to see he’s not doing well in the age of Trump.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 2:59:01pm

I realized last night after reading from a few Berners what they were going to do today, regardless of how well she does in the caucus. What I realized is they’re going to demand that she, “for the good of the party,” drop out so that Bernie can run unopposed as the “progressive” choice compared to Biden. They are so arrogant that they assume that, if they force Warren out of the race in favor of Bernie, that all of Warren’s supporters will go to Bernie.

It really is kindergarten-level reasoning going on with these chucklefucks.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:02:01pm

re: #431 Targetpractice

I realized last night after reading from a few Berners what they were going to do today, regardless of how well she does in the caucus. What I realized is they’re going to demand that she, “for the good of the party,” drop out so that Bernie can run unopposed as the “progressive” choice compared to Biden. They are so arrogant that they assume that, if they force Warren out of the race in favor of Bernie, that all of Warren’s supporters will go to Bernie.

It really is kindergarten-level reasoning going on with these chucklefucks.

There’s a hostile attitude many of em have to democracy. The whole wanting the DNC to proclaim Sanders the nominee four summers ago despite him not winning the PV. That’s what I loathe about them.

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:02:54pm
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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:03:20pm

re: #431 Targetpractice

I realized last night after reading from a few Berners what they were going to do today, regardless of how well she does in the caucus. What I realized is they’re going to demand that she, “for the good of the party,” drop out so that Bernie can run unopposed as the “progressive” choice compared to Biden. They are so arrogant that they assume that, if they force Warren out of the race in favor of Bernie, that all of Warren’s supporters will go to Bernie.

It really is kindergarten-level reasoning going on with these chucklefucks.

re: #432 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

There’s a hostile attitude many of em have to democracy. The whole wanting the DNC to proclaim Sanders the nominee four summers ago despite him not winning the PV. That’s what I loathe about them.

With the great irony being that their main gripe in ‘16 was that Hilary was being ‘anointed’ and felt ‘entitled’ to the nomination

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:05:06pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:05:24pm

re: #433 gocart mozart

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I keep on saying this but he really is going to be at an unique disadvantage because he’s no longer an empty slate.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:06:40pm

re: #434 Citizen K

With the great irony being that their main gripe in ‘16 was that Hilary was being ‘anointed’ and felt ‘entitled’ to the nomination

There’s a very serious “IT’S OUR TURN!!!” vibe going on, which I put largely down to an attitude I heard more than one Berner espouse in ‘16 when it was pointed out that voting Stein or staying home would lead to Trump’s election. They declared that it would actually be a “good” thing if Trump were elected, because A) the DNC would realize their error and be ready to nominate a “progressive” in 2020 and B) Trump would so fuck the country over a bramble patch that tens of millions of Americans would join the “revolution” to put a “progressive” in office in order to “fix” everything.

It’s hard not to see that attitude being the guiding principles of Berners this go-around as they seem to think that the DNC somehow owes Bernie the nomination.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:06:40pm

re: #434 Citizen K

With the great irony being that their main gripe in ‘16 was that Hilary was being ‘anointed’ and felt ‘entitled’ to the nomination

Yep Bernie in fact was the one who felt entitled to a party’s nomination that he’s never been a part of.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:08:47pm

re: #424 goddamnedfrank

Here we go

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I gotta tell you, I’m ambivalent about Bolton as object of Trump’s revenge.

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Disloyal Archangel  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:09:14pm
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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:09:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:12:47pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:12:51pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:13:47pm

re: #433 gocart mozart

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A couple of thoughts. First, we paid something like $3.7 million for his stupid family to go to Maralago (not going to use dashes anymore) for a party. Second, he’s probably looking at a beautiful and talented black singer and thinking “everyone will laugh if I mock this.”

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:14:45pm

re: #442 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We get another reminder that the corporate “news” media are in the business to sell us media and not news. So we get these “Will she or won’t she?” bits that leading to the expected outcome 99.99% of the time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:15:39pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:18:24pm

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That this even needs to be said.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:22:50pm

re: #424 goddamnedfrank

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:23:20pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:23:32pm

And not that I really give a shit, but I think that if you’re interested in protocol, you’re supposed to put your right hand over your heart during the anthem. Melania, not that anyone really cares, placed her left hand over her heart.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:24:28pm

re: #450 Barefoot Grin

Somebody said it’s reversed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:24:29pm
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Mescalero09  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:24:31pm

re: #450 Barefoot Grin

And not that I really give a shit, but I think that if you’re interested in protocol, you’re supposed to put your right hand over your heart during the anthem. Melania, not that anyone really cares, placed her left hand over her heart.

What heart?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:24:44pm

re: #448 Patricia Kayden

I got $10 that says Mittens makes the list too.

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ckkatz  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:25:24pm

re: #401 Mescalero09

I haven’t heard Concrete Blonde in quite a while. Thanks for posting!

I used to listen to their “Bloodletting” aka ‘The Vampire Song’ around Halloween a lot. The original ‘Bloodletting’ video is even creepier.

Concrete Blonde blistering live version of Bloodletting 1987

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:28:27pm

So between that bizarre stuff with the anthem and not knowing what state the Chiefs play in, where is conservative America to tell Trump he’s an out of touch elite? Oh wait.//

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Mescalero09  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:30:20pm

re: #455 ckkatz

I have so much music bouncing around in my head.
That was written by Leonard Cohen as I’m sure you know, and they nailed it.
They were good.
Got to have a gimmick or 19 or be willing to live on the road for 7 years just to get a sniff.
Brutal.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:30:23pm

re: #433 gocart mozart

I had not watched the video until just a moment ago, and I gotta say, Holy Shit!

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BigPapa  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:30:35pm

re: #455 ckkatz

Blast from the past. Johnette is queen.

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ckkatz  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:31:12pm

There was a discussion earlier in the thread about how it was often hard to distinguish between bots, trolls and ‘real accounts’. Which is the bot/troll’s goal. And it was pointed out that functionally there is no difference between them.

I agree with those that concluded that the real division was between those who exhibit good faith in wanting an honest and useful discussion and those who are exhibiting bad faith.

I also agree that it it is up to the suspected bot/troll poster to demonstrate that good faith to me before I will waste any of my time or focus acting with them.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:31:13pm

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sorry. Cancer sucks, but I’m having a really tough time feeling too bad over this.

“Numfar, do the dance of…”

(Joss Wheadon cultist right here.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:31:17pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:32:36pm

re: #327 DodgerFan1988

You do you. Those of us who feel differently have our reasons. If any prominent figure on the left such as President Obama or Secretary a Clinton was diagnosed with cancer, Limbaugh would he yucking it up. Perhaps he will show some restraint if he recovers and will act like a damned human being.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:32:38pm

re: #450 Barefoot Grin

And not that I really give a shit, but I think that if you’re interested in protocol, you’re supposed to put your right hand over your heart during the anthem. Melania, not that anyone really cares, placed her left hand over her heart.

The video is reversed but not intentionally like the wingnuts reversed an image of the Obamas & then Photoshopped it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:33:01pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:34:09pm

re: #460 ckkatz

There was a discussion earlier in the thread about how it was often hard to distinguish between bots, trolls and ‘real accounts’. Which is the bot/troll’s goal. And it was pointed out that functionally there is no difference between them.

I agree with those that concluded that the real division was between those who exhibit good faith in wanting an honest and useful discussion and those who are exhibiting bad faith.

I also agree that it it is up to the suspected bot/troll poster to demonstrate that good faith to me before I will waste any of my time or focus acting with them.

Yeah that’s what I was getting at. If you want to disagree about how we spend the budget or what a President should pursue legislatively, fine but you lose me big time if you just dismiss me as a hater or neoliberal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:34:33pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:35:25pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:35:31pm

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Uncle Vlad worried about his toy being too loud.

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BigPapa  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:35:55pm

re: #463 Patricia Kayden

You do you. Those of us who feel differently have our reasons. If any prominent figure on the left such as President Obama or Secretary a Clinton was diagnosed with cancer, Limbaugh would he yucking it up. Perhaps he will show some restraint if he recovers and will act like a damned human being.

I don’t wish Limbaugh die a horrible death. I’m not like them.

I do note the irony that he’s contracted cancer while being a cancerous tumor in our body politik.

The difference is I don’t wish retribution or helicopter rides. I just wish he’d stop. Sounds like he’s going to.

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ckkatz  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:36:21pm

re: #457 Mescalero09

I have so much music bouncing around in my head.
That was written by Leonard Cohen as I’m sure you know, and they nailed it.
They were good.
Got to have a gimmick or 19 or be willing to live on the road for 7 years just to get a sniff.
Brutal.

In high school I had friends that played locally in small groups. I knew a few folks in college who studied music.

The next chance I had to really listen to music was 30 years later when I ended up with some time and had access to music through youtube. I am still blown away at how much talent is out there. And how little reward, outside of personal good feelings, most folks reap for all their hard work. It just continuously amazes me.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:37:40pm

re: #443 goddamnedfrank

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Well, as of December 2019

Since April of this year, the Democratic candidates have spent more than $4.2 million in the state, according to an analysis of campaign filing data. That doesn’t include the cost of having more than 650 campaign staff on the ground, the indirect spending that goes into staffers’ rent, food and gas or the amount tourists spend in the state.

So, in answer to your question—a shit ton.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:37:49pm

re: #467 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Because we want to act like our working class parents, grandparents, aunts/uncles, brothers/sisters, cousins, friends who left the Dems could just be brought in if we used did a new New Deal.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:38:23pm

HuffPost: Education Department Whistleblower Forced Out After Exposing Push Against Trans Athletes

It is mitigated, because he didn’t go through channels, just leaked to a reporter.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:38:42pm

…of course. Now I have friends in my Twitter feed telling me there’s no difference between Biden and Bush. Of fucking course.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:39:12pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:39:32pm

re: #474 retired cynic

HuffPost: Education Department Whistleblower Forced Out After Exposing Push Against Trans Athletes

It is mitigated, because he didn’t go through channels, just leaked to a reporter.

I remember libertarians who claim they’re more pro lgbt than liberals championing DeVos. We picked the right hill to stand on there.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:39:57pm

re: #476 Blind Frog Belly White

“I understand how you feel sir, but we can’t just drop a bomb on John Boltons house…”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:40:52pm

re: #475 Citizen K

…of course. Now I have friends in my Twitter feed telling me there’s no difference between Biden and Bush. Of fucking course.

OFFS, I guess the Americans With Disabilities Act means nothing to them. I’m sorry but so many people are uneducated about politics in this country.

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ckkatz  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:42:56pm

Valid

re: #459 BigPapa

Blast from the past. Johnette is queen.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:44:23pm

Joe Biden who in 2012 said transgender rights is one of the most important civil rights issues of our age is the same as the guy who pushed the FMA on us.

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danarchy  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:44:58pm

re: #464 The Pie Overlord!

The video is reversed but not intentionally like the wingnuts reversed an image of the Obamas & then Photoshopped it.

Yeah that person, I think a woman, seems to be filming with her selfie cam, which explains the mirror image and also the crappy video quality.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:45:28pm

Watching how bots play the old folk… and I am reminded again that the big thing in our society is a culture war, and the increasingly obsolete worldview (fundamentalist Christianity, American style) failing in light of modernity and ethnic change.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:46:14pm

re: #479 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

OFFS, I guess the Americans With Disabilities Act means nothing to them. I’m sorry but so many people are uneducated about politics in this country.

I just…I’m too tired to trawl through Biden’s actual career to point out that he is as stalwart a Dem as they come and nowhere near as bad as Bush ever was even at his best. It always seems to fall on deaf ears and just ends up people running screaming either toward MAGAtown or into the BERN OR BUST camp anyway.

This is the shit I see constantly, and it just makes it feel all so goddamn useless.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:47:20pm

re: #483 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Watching how bots play the old folk… and I am reminded again that the big thing in our society is a culture war, and the increasingly obsolete worldview (fundamentalist Christianity, American style) failing in light of modernity and ethnic change.

I was a member of an Irish Travel Tips group on FB. I know the country pretty well since I lived there a month. Completely got taken over by bots who loved to play into their hypersensitivity towards Trump criticisms. God, I’m just grateful that my parents aren’t like that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:48:25pm

re: #484 Citizen K

I just…I’m too tired to trawl through Biden’s actual career to point out that he is as stalwart a Dem as they come and nowhere near as bad as Bush ever was even at his best. It always seems to fall on deaf ears and just ends up people running screaming either toward MAGAtown or into the BERN OR BUST camp anyway.

This is the shit I see constantly, and it just makes it feel all so goddamn useless.

I do hear your frustration. One of my greatest disappointments is neither of my brothers seem to have much political intelligence. They’re smart other than that but they’re very unpractical when it comes to understanding what the Presidency actually means.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:50:50pm

And now CONCERNED Lisa is pontificating about decorum and fairness and honor and integrity—I didn’t know she spoke a foreign language./

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:51:59pm

re: #483 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Watching how bots play the old folk… and I am reminded again that the big thing in our society is a culture war, and the increasingly obsolete worldview (fundamentalist Christianity, American style) failing in light of modernity and ethnic change.

One of the things I often say to people who slam “Christians” is: “Imagine how different the world would be if most of those so-called Christians actually LIVED LIKE JESUS.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:52:03pm

I keep on telling people who want more of what Bernie offers to work on local races. But they insist on acting like we need a soon to be 80 year old Senator from a lily white state with a record of sayign some pretty controversial things will win and win big. I think Bernie would do better than many ehre but even then, I’m not sold and I’m definitely not sold on him as an effective executive. He has no surrogates that I wish the otehrs have and that to my disappointment does include AOC who I like but I think makes a huge mistake casting her boat to Bernie as someone who is proud of both her millennial status and Latina heritage. Same thing with Talib, Omar, and Jayapal. You’re throwing your lot in with someone who does not prioritize immigrants.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:53:50pm

re: #488 Eclectic Cyborg

One of the things I often say to people who slam Christians is: “Imagine how different the world would be if most of those so-called Christians actually LIVED LIKE JESUS.”

See, that’s why I always loathed the fundamentalists who talk about how we need to be more Christ like yet live like rock stars. My grand uncle was a priest in a poor part of Louisiana. He wasn’t flying around in a jet and doing bizarre rituals where he treated POTUS like a God. He cared about his congregation- predominately poor and African American just as he had cared about the young men he was a chaplain to during WWII.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:55:39pm

re: #490 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

My Church runs a free service for the homeless right downtown every Thursday night (and we give them a free meal too). I go every chance I get. THAT is where you learn what Jesus was really all about, not some megachurch in the nicest part of town.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:58:12pm

“The Senate should be ashamed by the rank partisanship,” Lisa Murkowski said.
I don’t think she got that excited over people questioning Obama’s citizenship.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:58:59pm

Oh good goddamned grief:

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Mescalero09  Feb 3, 2020 • 3:59:22pm

re: #471 ckkatz

Never stop looking for music that talks to you.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:01:19pm

re: #492 jaunte

“The Senate should be ashamed by the rank partisanship,” Lisa Murkowski said.
I don’t think she got that excited over people questioning Obama’s citizenship.

You’ve helped to make it partisan by acting like we shouldn’t want witnesses, please just resign already Lisa if that’s what you believe.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:02:57pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:03:20pm

re: #491 Eclectic Cyborg

My Church runs a free service for the homeless right downtown every Thursday night (and we give them a free meal too). I go every chance I get. THAT is where you learn what Jesus was really all about, not some megachurch in the nicest part of town.

Yeah, I’m agnostic but even I know that the Jesus story is that he was someone who was with the less well off. Ever see Franklin Graham? Falwell Jr? Jeffries? act a refugee center? a soup kitchen? Meanwhile I see them perfectly content to latch on to power and the one at least in modetn times I think really started that was Billy Graham himself. He loved the America’s “minister” title he got. He still was better than his son though but thats a low bar.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:04:30pm

re: #493 Citizen K

It’s pretty absurd that the fans of the Trump family think it’s smart to pick a fight over nepotism.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:06:40pm

re: #498 jaunte

It’s pretty absurd that the fans of the Trump family think it’s smart to pick a fight over nepotism.

From his timeline, he’s a Berner, so…take that as you may.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:07:02pm

re: #498 jaunte

It’s pretty absurd that the fans of the Trump family think it’s smart to pick a fight over nepotism.

This. Like, seriously. I mean, I know a lot of the stuff they do is tone deaf, but pretending nepotism isn’t an issue in the most nepotistic admin we’ve ever had is laughable.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:09:19pm

re: #500 Eclectic Cyborg

This. Like, seriously. I mean, I know a lot of the stuff they do is tone deaf, but pretending nepotism isn’t an issue in the most nepotistic admin we’ve ever had is laughable.

It’s not even just Javanka. Rudy’s stepson has a job there. I think one of Barr’s does too. And Pence’s nephew is a big part of the re-election team too. I don’t even think Hunter is advising his Dad let alone is a big part of his campaign.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:09:29pm

By this time next week we’ll all be talking about New Hampshire. Then on 3 March the big states will weigh in… and I expect this circus to be over.

Maybe the big states will split deeply enough to have the band play on … but I now rank that as less likely.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:11:14pm

Well it took me almost ten freaking years, but I’ve finally cracked the six digit karma mark!

Don’t I get a prize for this or something?

/

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:12:12pm

re: #503 Eclectic Cyborg

Well it took me almost ten freaking years, but I’ve finally cracked the six digit karma mark!

Don’t I get a prize for this or something?

/

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Congratulations!!!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:12:16pm

re: #499 Citizen K

From his timeline, he’s a Berner, so…take that as you may.

A Berner thinks Biden is too vulnerable to the Republican smear machine? The mind boggles.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:12:36pm

re: #503 Eclectic Cyborg

You have won… Dominion!

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Teddy's Person  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:13:02pm

re: #461 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

“Numfar, do the dance of…”

(Joss Wheadon cultist right here.)

Numfar does the Dance of Joy

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:13:20pm

Twitter does not give me hope for our species.

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Mescalero09  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:14:37pm

re: #508 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Facebook should have told you before Twitter.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:15:06pm

re: #505 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A Berner thinks Biden is too vulnerable to the Republican smear machine? The mind boggles.

The RNC Opps Research is probably salivating at their gums to run against Bernie. They’ve called Dems socialists for years and now they got one. And he’s got some shady issues too that the Berners have completely ignored since he promised them the world. You think the Biden hugs are awkward? Wait till the RNC opps publishes what Bernie wrote about rape in the early 70’s.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:16:03pm

re: #508 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Twitter does not give me hope for our species.

Ha-ha you’re a hater lol. Yeah the stupid troll shit. I love actual conversation about issues. Hence why I’m a decade long lizard now but Twitter really is often a cesspool.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:16:21pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:16:53pm

When Rush dies the MSM will declare him “a man who had his finger on the pulse of conservatism,” “a lightning rod,” “a tireless provocateur who needled his political opponents.” But they’ll never call him what he really is.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:17:04pm

Back when Twitter was young, I remember late-night TV host Conan O’Brien , who apparently didn’t tweet at that time, rambling on about how puzzled he was that people would send out short messages describing what they were doing at any given time. Conan couldn’t figure out why it would be so popular.

If only he was right.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:17:08pm

re: #509 Mescalero09

Facebook should have told you before Twitter.

They’re twins of the same madness. It’s a shame because FB for a long time was pretty apolitical. I still use my account for my family and other things but I do not actively discuss politics on there for the most part. Why? Because there’s so many ignorant people out there who think memes and being a shit talker is the way to talk.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:17:38pm

“She also says she decided to vote against witnesses” because she has absolutely no persuasive power with her colleagues.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:17:52pm

re: #514 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Back when Twitter was young, I remember late-night TV host Conan O’Brien , who apparently didn’t tweet at that time, rambling on about how puzzled he was that people would send out short messages describing what they were doing at any given time. Conan couldn’t figure out why it would be so popular.

If only he was right.

Conan’s own feed is a hoot. He does lame jokes and the trolls think this is completely serious.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:18:20pm

re: #512 Charles Johnson

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Fuck Roberts. Umpires wear pads. He can take it.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:18:44pm

re: #513 Barefoot Grin

A lying asshole.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:18:54pm

For those of you with feline overlords…

A Day In The Life Of A Cat Owner - Simon’s Cat | STORYTIME

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:19:27pm

I don’t know why people keep painting Roberts, one of the most powerful men in human history, as some fainting flower.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:21:03pm
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Scout  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:21:27pm

Thirty years living outside the U.S., and this is the first time I ever received a campaign flier:

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makeitstop  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:21:35pm

re: #503 Eclectic Cyborg

Well it took me almost ten freaking years, but I’ve finally cracked the six digit karma mark!

Don’t I get a prize for this or something?

/

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Take a woo-hoo and two attaboys out of petty cash.

Seriously, though, congrats.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:22:35pm

Gorka makes an important point and moves me closer to wishing hell on Rush.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:23:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:23:25pm

re: #503 Eclectic Cyborg

Well it took me almost ten freaking years, but I’ve finally cracked the six digit karma mark!

Don’t I get a prize for this or something?

/

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pick out a toaster from the LGF prize cupboard

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:26:45pm

re: #479 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

OFFS, I guess the Americans With Disabilities Act means nothing to them. I’m sorry but so many people are uneducated about politics in this country.

In all seriousness, many disabled people lean left. But in 2016, many leftists were VERY ableist! This doesn’t look like it will change in 2020.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:29:12pm

re: #528 Sherlock Hound

In all seriousness, many disabled people lean left. But in 2016, many leftists were VERY ableist! This doesn’t look like it will change in 2020.

There was the whole thing with several disabled activists complaining and calling out rideshare drivers for abandoning them due to wheelchairs, service animals, etc., and they got absolutely savaged by leftist twitter for their lack of worker solidarity and somehow being on the corporations’ side. Those activists had protect their Twitter accounts because shit got so ridiculous.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:30:30pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:30:51pm

re: #528 Sherlock Hound

In all seriousness, many disabled people lean left. But in 2016, many leftists were VERY ableist! This doesn’t look like it will change in 2020.

I definitely think my Asperger’s makes me more empathetic to marginalized groups.

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Interesting Times  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:31:17pm

re: #496 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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See, I have a different take on this whole “I’ve had a loved one/friend go through cancer and wouldn’t wish that on anyone” thing - I did, in fact, have a friend who went through Stage 4 cancer (she’s in remission now, thankfully) and while it was happening, one emotion that kept coursing through me was ice-cold, bitter rage - why her? She was such a wonderful person with so much to offer the world - why did she have to go through this torture while nasty, evil, awful people were waltzing around with a smirk on their face and a spring in their step?

You better believe that if I’d been given the power to snap my fingers, take the cancer from her, and give it to someone more deserving, I would have.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:32:02pm

re: #529 Citizen K

There was the whole thing with several disabled activists complaining and calling out rideshare drivers for abandoning them due to wheelchairs, service animals, etc., and they got absolutely savaged by leftist twitter for their lack of worker solidarity and somehow being on the corporations’ side. Those activists had protect their Twitter accounts because shit got so ridiculous.

A lot of the leftists really do show there’s an unfortunate overlap that sometimes exist. I’m a social liberal.There’s some parts of socialism that appeal to me, some of capitalism, some of both, and some of neither. I don’t like rigid economics and I don’t care who plays that game.

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KGxvi  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:34:04pm

re: #525 Barefoot Grin

Gorka makes an important point and moves me closer to wishing hell on Rush.

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If it wasn’t Limbaugh, it would have been someone else, possibly someone much worse. I think of John and Ken, who are somehow still kicking on the AM dial in LA.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:34:11pm

re: #478 Eclectic Cyborg

“I understand how you feel sir, but we can’t just drop a bomb on John Boltons house…”

No, we’ll just see to it that he’s pushed out of a high story window…

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KGxvi  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:35:16pm

re: #535 Joe Bacon 🌹

No, we’ll just see to it that he’s pushed out of a high story window…

Pretty sure that “clumsiness” is why most of those high story windows don’t open up anymore.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:37:07pm

re: #534 KGxvi

If it wasn’t Limbaugh, it would have been someone else, possibly someone much worse. I think of John and Ken, who are somehow still kicking on the AM dial in LA.

True, there was always going to be someone like Rush emerge and create a model for an echochamber. That’s what makes the idea that liberals live in echo chambers so funny to me. There’s a lot more in fighting on the left side than right side generally speaking. It’s why the line about Dems falling in love and Republicans falling in line comes from.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:37:46pm

re: #533 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

A lot of the leftists really do show there’s an unfortunate overlap that sometimes exist. I’m a social liberal.There’s some parts of socialism that appeal to me, some of capitalism, some of both, and some of neither. I don’t like rigid economics and I don’t care who plays that game.

The whole thing is exactly why I’m wary of the folks who raise classism over all and discard intersectionality as a distraction, because they absolutely tend to dismiss the struggle of folks that are for the most part disconnected from pure economic concerns, or even only tangentially economic but absolutely wouldn’t have happened if not for race, or sexism, or ableism, etc. The burning of any concept of “identity politics” what I’m seeing repeatedly, and it’s galling to see it working, and working, and working.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:37:48pm

re: #534 KGxvi

If it wasn’t Limbaugh, it would have been someone else, possibly someone much worse. I think of John and Ken, who are somehow still kicking on the AM dial in LA.

I don’t know them, but it’s absolutely true that after the Fairness Act (or was it Fairness Doctrine? I can’t remember) was cut it became open season for all manner of bigots and haters to crowd the airwaves. Rush just did it most lucratively. Mark Levin has more sway than Rush these days. Hannity, too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:43:17pm

re: #538 Citizen K

The whole thing is exactly why I’m wary of the folks who raise classism over all and discard intersectionality as a distraction, because they absolutely tend to dismiss the struggle of folks that are for the most part disconnected from pure economic concerns, or even only tangentially economic but absolutely wouldn’t have happened if not for race, or sexism, or ableism, etc. The burning of any concept of “identity politics” what I’m seeing repeatedly, and it’s galling to see it working, and working, and working.

They’re the left wing side of Objectivists.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:44:26pm

re: #539 Barefoot Grin

I don’t know them, but it’s absolutely true that after the Fairness Act (or was it Fairness Doctrine? I can’t remember) was cut it became open season for all manner of bigots and haters to crowd the airwaves. Rush just did it most lucratively. Mark Levin has more sway than Rush these days. Hannity, too.

Rush really never adapted to the internet medium and I think Hannity and Trump became more chummy than Rush and Trump. I dunno why. If I had to guess, it’s probably the New York connection but while Trump has praised Rush, Lumpy is the one he cries to when things are tough.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:46:30pm

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