YouTube Springs Into Action: No "Birther" Videos Allowed in 2020 Election

YouTube Springs Into Action: No “Birther” Videos Allowed in 2020 Election

InternetFebruary 2020 • Views: 33,697

A lot of things are pretty messed up this election season in the U.S. of A., but at least YouTube is taking some timely action to shut down one of the worst racist conspiracy theories circulating on the right: YouTube: No ‘birther’ videos allowed.

Google also said Monday that it will remove any videos that advance false claims about whether political candidates and elected officials are eligible to serve in office. That had been policy before, but wasn’t made explicit.

The company’s announcement comes about nine years after celebrity businessman Donald Trump began to get notice for claiming that Barack Obama, the nation’s first African American president, was not born in the United States.

Trump repeatedly voiced citizenship doubts even after Obama produced his long-form birth certificate. Trump only fully backed off from the idea in the final stages of his 2016 presidential campaign.

Man oh man, that was close. Imagine what it would be like if we somehow had a president who was a Birther. Thanks, YouTube.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 4:35:26pm

When a politician tells you “We’re saying ‘Merry Christmas’ again”, they’re actually telling you “I think I’m talking to an idiot.” https://t.co/CzOtwyQrQd

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) February 3, 2020

Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 4:36:16pm

It’s going to be interesting to see where the second round goes in tonight’s caucus. I don’t think Bernie is going to be on top after that.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 4:36:43pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Which is weird, because it’s February. https://t.co/s7BY5GdnUp

— Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) February 3, 2020

KGxvi Feb 3, 2020 • 4:37:20pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nobody is saying Merry Christmas because it’s fucking FEBRUARY!

And as aggressive as the ~~holiday~~Christmas season has been, it is not (yet) 10 11 fucking months long!

Ace Rothstein Feb 3, 2020 • 4:39:38pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’re saying “Happy Valentine’s Day!” again.

Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 4:39:51pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Uh, Valentine’s Day is coming up Eric.

How come you’re not saying “Happy Valentine’s Day”??????

— The 3-D Zanti Regent (@josephebacon) February 4, 2020

KGxvi Feb 3, 2020 • 4:40:33pm

re: #2 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s going to be interesting to see where the second round goes in tonight’s caucus. I don’t think Bernie is going to be on top after that.

I suspect it’s going to be a split decision, probably three people ending up very close in final votes and delegates awarded. And a fourth (and maybe fifth) person doing well enough that they can convince themselves that NH, SC, and NV are still viable places to make a stand.

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 4:40:41pm

re: #4 KGxvi

Nobody is saying Merry Christmas because it’s fucking FEBRUARY!

And as aggressive as the ~~holiday~~Christmas season has been, it is not (yet) 10 11 fucking months long!

WHY YO HATE CHRISTIANS! // But seriously, it is so sad that this shit is one of their favorites. No one banned Merry Christmas ever except the Massachusetts Bay Colony which *checks notes* was a Christian theocracy. I hate how these assholes make the holiday season about them.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 4:42:05pm

Lev Parnas: “People wanted witnesses. They didn’t get them, but I don’t think it’s over. I think the truth will come out, and we will all know and see what President Trump, Attorney General Barr, Rudy Giuliani and the cohorts with the Ukraine situation.” pic.twitter.com/28loxzCEdr

— The Hill (@thehill) February 4, 2020

calochortus Feb 3, 2020 • 4:46:17pm

re: #8 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

WHY YO HATE CHRISTIANS! // But seriously, it is so sad that this shit is one of their favorites. No one banned Merry Christmas ever except the Massachusetts Bay Colony which *checks notes* was a Christian theocracy. I hate how these assholes make the holiday season about them.

It’s just so stupid. It’s not like Christmas is as theologically important as Easter, either. We’re all born. Not so many of us rise from the dead. But the winter solstice is a time those of us not near the equator really like to celebrate the return of life and light to the world. Hence putting Christmas close to the solstice.
If you celebrate the birth of Jesus at the solstice, great! I hope it’s happy. If you celebrate Hanukkah, or just the solstice itself, knock yourself out! I hope it’s happy. If you just have another shot of an alcoholic beverage and hope to make it to Spring, that’s OK too.

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 4:49:23pm

re: #10 calochortus

It’s just so stupid. It’s not like Christmas is as theologically important as Easter, either. We’re all born. Not so many of us rise from the dead. But the winter solstice is a time those of us not near the equator really like to celebrate the return of life and light to the world. Hence putting Christmas close to the solstice.
If you celebrate the birth of Jesus at the solstice, great! I hope it’s happy. If you celebrate Hanukkah, or just the solstice itself, knock yourself out! I hope it’s happy. If you just have another shot of an alcoholic beverage and hope to make it to Spring, that’s OK too.

Exactly. Why do you need to be wished a Merry Christmas by everyone? I wish my family Merry Christmas because that’s what we celebrate but I’m fine with Happy Holidays too since yeah New Year is one week after Christmas Day too. They claim we’re all so easily offended but the whole Happy Holidays thing is just that.

calochortus Feb 3, 2020 • 4:50:36pm

re: #11 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly. Why do you need to be wished a Merry Christmas by everyone? I wish my family Merry Christmas because that’s what we celebrate but I’m fine with Happy Holidays too since yeah New Year is one week after Christmas Day too. They claim we’re all so easily offended but the whole Happy Holidays thing is just that.

It’s the “Happy” or “Merry” part that counts, not the exact reason for the good wishes.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 4:52:00pm

Oh No All The Nazi Website People Are Getting Laid Offhttps://t.co/4OLhQNgmEe

— Wonkette (@Wonkette) February 4, 2020

Neo-Nazi site The Daily Stormer is going broke, because credit card companies refuse to process payments for them, & they have to take Bitcoin

Founder Andrew Anglin points out on TDS’s BBS that racist podcast The Right Stuff *still has a credit card processor* Wut pic.twitter.com/Xcehbuci28

— Will Carless (@willcarless) February 4, 2020

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 4:52:22pm

re: #12 calochortus

It’s the “Happy” or “Merry” part that counts, not the exact reason for the good wishes.

Exactly. A retail clerk or barista wishes me a Happy Holidays, I smile. They’re being polite.

aatharuv Feb 3, 2020 • 4:52:31pm

re: #8 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

There is the theory I’ve seen on some parts of the nut-o-sphere that Puritans are the intellectual ancestors of modern liberals and progressives. Which _might_ be true at some level (ideologies can change unrecognizeably in a few hundred years), but not much more than “Democrats love Slavery” that you also see spouted by the nut-rights.

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 4:52:52pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Let me play the world’s smallest violin.

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 4:54:17pm

re: #15 aatharuv

There is the theory I’ve seen on some parts of the nut-o-sphere that Puritans are the intellectual ancestors of modern liberals and progressives. Which _might_ be true at some level (ideologies can change unrecognizeably in a few hundred years), but not much more than “Democrats love Slavery” that you also see spouted by the nut-rights.

In my time as an American liberal, I have been told that I am the heir of the Nazis but yet someohw my support of diversity in my country means I’m destroying our “heritage.” I wish these morons could pick out what the hell we are. Meanwhile many a conservative would be wise to learn about how conservatives responded to Mussolini.

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 4:56:12pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nazis; I hope they all die horribly of lung cancer.

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 4:57:05pm

On twitter the Berners are pushing the early satellite caucus results that included many college/univ students.

But when the results come in from the far flung counties in Iowa, where the median age is, well, old, we’ll see how Bernie does.

He might win tonight. But not by that large of a margin, I think.

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 4:57:58pm

re: #17 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

In my time as an American liberal, I have been told that I am the heir of the Nazis but yet someohw my support of diversity in my country means I’m destroying our “heritage.” I wish these morons could pick out what the hell we are. Meanwhile many a conservative would be wise to learn about how conservatives responded to Mussolini.

None of their arguments are made in good faith; they are all trolling.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 4:59:24pm

No one for sure why people who are satirised are said to be LAMPOONED. One theory claims the word comes from ‘lampons’, an old French word meaning ‘let us drink’—in which case, such satires might have originally been the subject of scurrilous drinking songs.

— Haggard Hawks 📚🦅 (@HaggardHawks) February 4, 2020

I too enjoy scurrilous drinking songs

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 4:59:48pm

re: #19 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

On twitter the Berners are pushing the early satellite caucus results that included many college/univ students.

But when the results come in from the far flung counties in Iowa, where the median age is, well, old, we’ll see how Bernie does.

He might win tonight. But not by that large of a margin, I think.

I am an election junkie; so excited that voting is finally starting!

jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 4:59:53pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eric’s trying to distract from the Impeachmas Season.

b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:00:17pm

Has Bernie won yet or is it still rigged?

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:00:51pm

Lisa Murkowski’s dad - also a senator who bequeathed her his seat when he appointed her to replace him - voted for remove Bill Clinton from office for a goddamn blowjob. #akleg @lisamurkowski #GOPCorruptionOverCountry

— 𝚂𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚗𝚢𝚗 𝙼𝚘𝚘𝚛𝚎 (@shannynmoore) February 4, 2020

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:01:03pm

re: #19 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

On twitter the Berners are pushing the early satellite caucus results that included many college/univ students.

But when the results come in from the far flung counties in Iowa, where the median age is, well, old, we’ll see how Bernie does.

He might win tonight. But not by that large of a margin, I think.

I’m not going to be surprised either way. Unlike Berners, I aknowledge that candidates I don’t support have legit support.

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 5:02:52pm

re: #26 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Super Tuesday is now Super-duper Tuesday. That is the day that matters. Iowa and NH are now talking points for candidates to add donors… or take them away from other candidates who drop out.

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 5:04:14pm

Watching MSNBC. Chyron just showed 81% of caucus goers don’t get their political news from twitter (twitterverse is not the real world).

jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 5:04:39pm

Wow, CNN notes that Biden does well among moderates, Sanders among very liberal. Huge, if true.

— Jeff Fecke (@jkfecke) February 4, 2020

Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 5:05:07pm

Lots of gray hair here:

It’s hopping in DM061 In Des Moines. Starting to fill up. Lots of energy. #IACaucus #IowaCaucuses Steyer has small group, #YangGang not looking viable pic.twitter.com/5LPFoz0Vcz

— Mark Langgin (He/Him) (@marklanggin) February 4, 2020

Probably a plus for Biden. Or Klobuchar.

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 5:05:48pm

Under 30 huge for Sanders. Only 20% of caucus goers so far.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:07:04pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING NAZI YOUR TEARS ARE MICHELIN STAR DELICIOUS

— Sleeping Giants (@slpng_giants) February 4, 2020

jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 5:07:19pm

lol wtf exit polling appears to have gotten a bit more risk-averse pic.twitter.com/ZxDArAOyMM

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) February 4, 2020

“Who says we cover elections like a horse race?”

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 5:08:08pm

re: #28 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Watching MSNBC. Chyron just showed 81% of caucus goers don’t get their political news from twitter (twitterverse is not the real world).

Ia and NH will decide if anyone other than Biden, Sanders and Bloomberg are viable for super tuesday.

jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 5:08:14pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump Administration Renders Daily Stormer Redundant

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:09:00pm

This is Snoop and his little sister Remi. Remi shaved off Snoop’s eyebrow while he was sleeping. Thought it would be funny. Still 13/10 for both pic.twitter.com/hYVjB9SAbu

— WeRateDogs® (@dog_rates) February 4, 2020

Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire Feb 3, 2020 • 5:09:16pm

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Most definitely NSF! But if these pulpit pimps want to go there, so be it.

CarolJ Feb 3, 2020 • 5:10:00pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently more people agree with Nazi stuff than want to pay for it. Hoping all of them go bankrupt and have to stand out on the corner and beg for money. It’s also clear that there’s (thankfully) no sugar daddy to finance this, unlike Hitler who could get industrialists to pony up.

b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:10:42pm

what kind of weirdo would go to the caucus uncommitted?

retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 5:11:27pm

538’s final Iowa forecast odds:

Sanders 41% chance of winning
Biden 32% chance
Buttigieg 14%
Warren 10%
Klobuchar 2%

Basically they say wide open.

#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:11:31pm

re: #28 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Watching MSNBC. Chyron just showed 81% of caucus goers don’t get their political news from twitter (twitterverse is not the real world).

From electoral-vote.com
190822

Only 22% of Americans are on Twitter at all. Also, 80% of the Twitter content is created by 10% of its users. In case you don’t have a calculator handy, this means that 2% of Americans create 80% of the content on Twitter. So Twitter is not representative of anything other than the 2% of the population that spends its whole day tweeting. Yet the media act like if something is trending on Twitter, then the whole country is talking about it and it is important. Nope and nope again. (V)

retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 5:12:50pm

NATE SILVER8:11 PM
For what it’s worth, betting markets had Sanders as a much bigger Iowa favorite than polling models implied that he should be. I’m not sure how much weight to give to entrance polls, but if the actual results also start to show a close 4-way race, they’ll have to correct pretty quickly.

CarolJ Feb 3, 2020 • 5:13:16pm

I’m surprised that there haven’t been a revival of those ancient Bacchanalian temples where they drank and had orgies. A holy strip club wouldn’t need to take up a collection and would be able to make money just off of visitors let alone regular members.

goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 5:13:44pm

Today is a lot

Like, it’s just a whole fucking lot

— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) February 4, 2020

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:14:31pm

re: #27 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Super Tuesday is now Super-duper Tuesday. That is the day that matters. Iowa and NH are now talking points for candidates to add donors… or take them away from other candidates who drop out.

Exactly. Super-duper Tuesday is going to have states from all over the map of various sizes, demographics, significance to November, etc. Bernie may win tonight but I can see their being a close margin between the top 3-4 candidates.

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 5:16:17pm

MSNBC Chyron shows 60% of caucus goets support M4A. That seems to favor Bernie.

jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 5:16:23pm

.@SteveKornacki gives early data from #IowaCaucuses entrance poll: Biden, Buttigieg, Sanders, and Warren are vying for 1st place, but the final order remains unclear. #TrackingKornacki pic.twitter.com/BzyU3kCZvK

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) February 4, 2020

As the horses leave the starting gate, the final order remains unclear.

b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:16:33pm

Oh noes! Horror at the caucus!

At one Des Moines precinct tonight, an attendee brought in a concealed bottle of wine, dropped it, and it shattered everywhere pic.twitter.com/qHNMP6NLOH

— Iowa Starting Line (@IAStartingLine) February 4, 2020

jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 5:17:14pm

I’d love for some news person to start using “we don’t know” in place of “unclear.”

jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 5:19:48pm

re: #48 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

Take the wine bladder out of the box and strap it to your torso, like a professional

— The Amandalorian (@andalongjacket) February 4, 2020

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 5:20:44pm

91% of Ia caucus goers are white, in the Democratic caucuses.

b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:22:57pm

re: #50 jaunte

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Red Wine looks EXACTLY like Coca-Cola when poured into a plastic Coke bottle.

Don’t ask me why or how I know, it just does

goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 5:23:05pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

Also, literally anybody can order 120 gallons of milk by mistake, shit happens.

What’s stupid is the seventeen billion dollar globe spanning corporation that can’t detect and flag a sudden 500% increase in unexpected resupply

— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) February 4, 2020

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:23:19pm

re: #51 NO SMOCKING GUN!

91% of Ia caucus goers are white, in the Democratic caucuses.

That’s even whiter than Trump’s final electorate. Nothing against these caucus goers. They will get delegates who will be able to influence the debate as they should but tonight isn’t going to tell you what the democratic coalition as a whole thinks about the candidates. I can see Bernie or Biden winning tonight and maybe even Warren or Pete but I won’t see it as a big indictation of where things are yet. I expect there to be a close race between the top 4 finishers.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:23:44pm

Stats like this always strike me as saying as much about how few people want to go caucus again as they do about people motivated for the first time. https://t.co/tYV036WXzj

— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) February 4, 2020

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 5:24:45pm

209+ people in the room and no one guffawed or snickered in the long awkward silence that followed when the organizer tried to find someone to speak on behalf of Tulsi Gabbard. These people are living up to their reputations.

No one spoke for Patrick or Bennet either.

— Rachel “The Doc” Bitecofer 📈🔭 (@RachelBitecofer) February 4, 2020

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 3, 2020 • 5:25:19pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

That assumes fairly static demand, which may or may not be true. I wouldn’t presume to know the ins and outs of their data. And in particular, with the need to have milk delivered in a fairly short time scale, a fluctuation like that may actually be entirely within the norm.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:25:31pm

Watching this Iowa caucus is like watching various shades of white paint dry. #IACaucus #IowaCaucus

— Margaret and Helen 🌎 (@HelenPhilpot) February 4, 2020

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:26:59pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh I would hate it. I’m so glad I’ve always lived in a primary state.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:27:03pm

Preliminary @NBCNews entrance poll of Iowa

AGE 17 TO 29

Sanders 51%
Buttigieg 16%
Warren 11%
Biden 4%

AGE 65 OR OLDER

Biden 37%
Buttigieg 22%
Warren 10%
Sanders 4%

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) February 4, 2020

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:30:05pm

Iowa’s *Republican* secretary of state is trying to fight Judicial Watch / Fox News disinformation https://t.co/3V79ONqUKk

— Charlie Savage (@charlie_savage) February 4, 2020

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 5:30:56pm

re: #59 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Oh I would hate it. I’m so glad I’ve always lived in a primary state.

I think it would be interesting someday to move to Ia just to participate in the caucus.

goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 5:31:10pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That assumes fairly static demand, which may or may not be true. I wouldn’t presume to know the ins and outs of their data. And in particular, with the need to have milk delivered in a fairly short time scale, a fluctuation like that may actually be entirely within the norm.

Nah, the driver reportedly even said they all knew it was a huge fuckup at the warehouse but couldn’t do anything to fix it. Which in itself seems like suboptimal logistics design.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:31:41pm

I’m watching MSNBCs coverage of the reporters running around a gym talking to people.

Two observations

1) Caucuses are stupid, looks like registering for class in high school

2) Are there any non-white people in Iowa? 🤔

— Quancy Clayborne (@QuancyClayborne) February 4, 2020

retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 5:32:26pm

DAN HOPKINS8:31 PM
In my panel survey, there are 454 Democrats who reported their primary preference in 2016 and again last week. In 2016, 33 percent were with Bernie. He’s now got 15 percent of that group, and 64 percent of his supporters now were with him in 2016. It’s an obvious point, but Sanders will lose support from 2016 — the question is just how much.

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 3, 2020 • 5:33:17pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

Nah, the driver reportedly even said they all knew it was a huge fuckup at the warehouse but couldn’t do anything to fix it. Which in itself seems like suboptimal logistics design.

Fair enough, that I’ll accept. I just want to make sure all the various other angles are accounted for before jumping straight to bad design. There are many bad applications and systems out there, but I maintain hope that someone out there is finally going to do something right.

retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 5:34:13pm

NATE SILVER8:32 PM
Yeah, I think Sanders has had a pretty good few months, and certainly he has an opportunity to expand his coalition further … but, yeah it is worth remembering that he’s currently polling at only about half of the vote he got last time. To some extent, the story of the caucus is that no one came into tonight with more than about 20 percent support.

Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 5:35:05pm

If you are at an advantaged position, allow others to reach and attain their small goals through your assistance. Be a piller not an obstacle. pic.twitter.com/fSXudGlLAu

— Mubarak Natatu (@M_Natatu) February 2, 2020

William Lewis Feb 3, 2020 • 5:35:13pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

Superb owl weekend? They may have thought it was intentional. I know that the pizza place upped it’s supply orders for the weekend every year. OTOH, it’s Staryucks so I’m not sure why I care…

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:36:01pm

re: #62 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think it would be interesting someday to move to Ia just to participate in the caucus.

I dunno. Always seemed a little intimidating to me because I really think the vote is such an individual thing that in a way it’s ultimately between me and the booth even though I don’t deny who I vote for. Plus, I get antsy quickly. But it is a pretty unique thing I concede.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:36:46pm

I’m voting for this person. https://t.co/z3mNo3rdvt

— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) February 4, 2020

b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:37:29pm

I’m guessing that the Yang Gang will be a whole hell of a lot less concerned with math tomorrow.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:38:47pm

I had totally forgotten that Trump claimed fraud when he lost the 2016 Iowa caucus, not just the November general election popular vote. We’re going to be in for a very long & dangerous year https://t.co/5ER5egTPYl

— Stephen Wolf (@PoliticsWolf) February 4, 2020

Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 5:40:11pm

Wait, John Bolton started a war which had no clear path to victory or exit strategy & will end in disaster? How is this possible?????/ https://t.co/tBSs9pzCCB

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) February 3, 2020

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 5:40:23pm

re: #72 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

I’m guessing that the Yang Gang will be a whole hell of a lot less concerned with math tomorrow.

High internet presence, like luap nor, but not so much in the real world.

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:41:44pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

God I had forgotten that. Isn’t that when he really started getting nasty to Cruz? I want to say the remarks about Cruz’s father were after the Iowa Caucus. Agh that just makes me sick to think about. That our President seriously accused a rival in his own party’s father of killing the last President to be assassinated in United States history and now that same man greatly enables said President in the worst ways.

gocart mozart Feb 3, 2020 • 5:42:05pm

What in the name of George and Weezy Cotton Field Solid Gold Dancing Peaches and Herb Florida Evans Damn Damn Damn Bambozzeled Cleopatra Jones JD’s Revenge Making Black Grandmothers Flip in Their Graves Crockpot of Hot Mess and Chitlins fuck is this? https://t.co/DKVxjbGZmr

— Alejandro Sosa’s Wife Doesn’t Speak Iowan (@SaintMystic) February 3, 2020

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:43:18pm

FACT CHECK: Mostly false https://t.co/KsidXFX9v5

— Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser) February 4, 2020

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:44:40pm

Now the precinct captain for “undecided” is speaking here at the #iowacaucus2020 in Urbandale. Seriously. pic.twitter.com/g43llmDWEW

— Anthony Zurcher (@awzurcher) February 4, 2020

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:45:32pm

This is some bullshit right here — caucus-goers switching their preferences to the candidate who said “hi.” Good lord, Republicans don’t take the presidency seriously any more. https://t.co/nYeuBk8uoQ

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) February 4, 2020

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:45:45pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m undecided. I think that’s why I would hate to be there right now.

Charles Johnson Feb 3, 2020 • 5:46:24pm

Right. One of the key components of Trump’s personality is his vindictiveness. He has a mobster’s need to get even, squared. https://t.co/XcoDzBj7wC

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2020

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:46:55pm

You’ve waited a year to see what Iowa would do; be patient now. https://t.co/BqpHPOY9Zz

— Ronald Klain (@RonaldKlain) February 4, 2020

b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:48:47pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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First they came for John Bolton, and I did not speak out—

because, LOL, f*ck that guy…

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:49:10pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are we voting for President or for the Class Treasurer who will get us a candy machine in the cafeteria and the cafeteria will serve Papa Johns Pizza everyday?

mmmirele Feb 3, 2020 • 5:49:20pm

I chewed out a “reporter” in the Evangelical community for deadnaming a transgender person.

Julie, you deadnamed Daniel Lavery and that was completely inappropriate. This is why many people are leaving the churches, because you can’t accept transgender people. Do all of us a favor, edit your article and remove the name Daniel Lavery does not use. Thanks,

— Dee “I don’t suffer fools gladly” Holmes (@mmmirele) February 4, 2020

I’ve frankly had enough of this bulkshit.

ETA: Lavery alludes in this article to the incident where he went to his father and told him he could provide help for the person in his father’s congregation who was attracted to children. However, John Ortberg refused, because Daniel Lavery is transgender and thus everything he says is wrong. ///sarcasm, heavy sarcasm

shatnerchatner.com

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 5:49:56pm

re: #81 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m undecided. I think that’s why I would hate to be there right now.

In Kentucky I won’t vote until May. Most of these candidates won’t be in the race by then.

Charles Johnson Feb 3, 2020 • 5:51:27pm

Wow. Bernie Sanders getting wiped out with older voters. And then Biden at THREE PERCENT with under-30s. We got us a generation gap. pic.twitter.com/yySj9uj539

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2020

NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 5:53:23pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

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Its strange how the oldest candidate is most popular with the youngest voters.

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:54:02pm

re: #87 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In Kentucky I won’t vote until May. Most of these candidates won’t be in the race by then.

Oh no wonder. By May it usually is settled.

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:54:32pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Yikes.

b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?) Feb 3, 2020 • 5:54:59pm

re: #89 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Its strange how the oldest candidate is most popular with the youngest voters.

Imagine if Betty White ran?

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 5:56:35pm

Hatred is expressed in language, but hateful language should not be promoted and given platforms like that.

Sadly, @urbandictionary allows on their page such hurtful and disrespectful ‘Auschwitz definitions’ that mock & instrumentalize human death and suffering. pic.twitter.com/AwQBINDWvu

— Auschwitz Memorial (@AuschwitzMuseum) February 3, 2020

Thank you @urbandictionary for this reply, apology and a very clear stand on hate speech.

We will be monitoring and speaking up if needed. https://t.co/OD3mF7i2nL

— Auschwitz Memorial (@AuschwitzMuseum) February 4, 2020

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 6:01:53pm

Also Iowa: “Wait? Why do so few people go to this when it’s SO FUN??🥺”

— Neptune (@coldlawgic) February 3, 2020

Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 6:02:23pm

re: #86 mmmirele

I chewed out a “reporter” in the Evangelical community for deadnaming a transgender person.

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I’ve frankly had enough of this bulkshit.

I’m glad you smacked down that jerk!

aatharuv Feb 3, 2020 • 6:03:07pm

re: #86 mmmirele

And the “reporter” also calls the pastor’s son, “the daughter”. Ugh.

LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 6:03:25pm

re: #92 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

Imagine if Betty White ran?

Here’s your ticket. You pair Betty White with Kirk Douglas. Having lost my grandmother recently, I really feel I lost my personal connection to that generation. Still can learn from em.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 6:03:54pm

“Nice lawn. Be a shame if anything happened to it. So, you’re votin’ for Bernie, right?”#OutlawCaucuses https://t.co/qkqGOOzuOr

— Buffy’s Blog (@BuffyBlogs) February 4, 2020

Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 6:04:49pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

The caucuses have been a shit show for disabled people.

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Charles Johnson Feb 3, 2020 • 6:08:21pm

My mom grew up in Iowa. That’s where I get my weird streak from.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2020

Because make no mistake, Iowa is deeply, unfathomably weird.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2020

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mmmirele Feb 3, 2020 • 6:08:42pm

re: #96 aatharuv

And the “reporter” also calls the pastor’s son, “the daughter”. Ugh.

I know. Julie Roys is one of those conservative Evangelicals who doesn’t believe transgender people exist. I’m tired of that nonsense. Jesus did not tell his followers to be asshats to others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 6:09:42pm

I will not attend the #SOTU tomorrow. While I will always respect the office of the President, Trump demonstrates daily that he does not. I don’t believe he is worthy of the dignity and respect accorded to his predecessors. #SOTU2020 #BoycottSOTU https://t.co/QMz796wBxh

— Steve Cohen (@RepCohen) February 3, 2020

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Charles Johnson Feb 3, 2020 • 6:10:28pm

Well, at least we know the Russians aren’t hacking the Iowa caucuses, because they’re too weird to hack.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 6:10:49pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Media is going to clutch its pearls over this one but I applaud this. They’ve made a mockery of the office throughout this entire investigation to put it kindly.

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Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 6:12:55pm

But here’s something good: ASL Caucusing

More from the ASL caucus pic.twitter.com/6Z5OhaDugu

— Sam Levine (@srl) February 4, 2020

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CarolJ Feb 3, 2020 • 6:13:57pm

re: #38 CarolJ

Most of this stuff doesn’t make a profit-either by design (it’s a calling, so just enough money to keep it going), or accident-not enough subscribers, advertisers, or both. In order to hang in there until some distant time they gain political power enough to grift off the state, they need sugar daddies like a lot of ministries do. So far, anyone with really deep pockets to not mind financing something at a loss hasn’t appeared.

One reason has thankfully been the lawsuits against the Order, the Klan, and other similar groups for acts of violence perpetrated by them. It’s one thing to finance a broadsheet of vaguely racist material by some advocacy group, another to find oneself-and your company legally liable for acts of terror.

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gocart mozart Feb 3, 2020 • 6:17:11pm

Shakira wore her same outfit from Zootopia… pic.twitter.com/kjc3tlPZLY

— Real Patrick Kling (@PatrickSKling) February 3, 2020

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?) Feb 3, 2020 • 6:17:52pm

The Iowa caucus is just plain stupid

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 6:18:30pm

Icy what you did there. https://t.co/h713VEc7Ao

— John Hickenlooper (@Hickenlooper) February 4, 2020

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Charles Johnson Feb 3, 2020 • 6:19:59pm

In my ideal timeline, the entire Democratic Party boycotts Trump’s State of the Union debacle and leaves that half of the room empty tomorrow night.

I really want to live in that timeline.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2020

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel Feb 3, 2020 • 6:20:36pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

(Daily Stormer) Founder Andrew Anglin points out on TDS’s BBS that racist podcast The Right Stuff *still has a credit card processor* Wut

Thank you for alerting us to that, Andrew. We’ll take it from here.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?) Feb 3, 2020 • 6:23:20pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

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[trump] IT’S A FULL ROOM, THERE ARE 2,500 REPS, 13 SENATORS, HALF OF SPACE FORCE AND 9 SUPREME COURT JUSTICES THAT THE FIRE MARSHALL WON’T LET IN!! [/trump]

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 3, 2020 • 6:24:38pm

IT’S NOT FUNNY, MOMMY.
Not funny 💔🐶

💛 pic.twitter.com/CJUDe1mjay

— Muddy Paw Co 🐾🐾 (@muddypaw_co) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 6:28:06pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

“Let’s pass some legislation!” -Trump

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Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 6:38:30pm

I am one of the disabled Iowans left out of the process. https://t.co/i24fhYHqiz

— Karrie Higgins ♿️ (@karriehiggins) February 4, 2020

It is cool; I just wish the original caucus had been made fully accessible to begin with. Gretchen Brown-Waech has to create the ASL caucus because the Dems can’t be bothered to reach out to Deaf and disabled voters.

— Adam Pottle (@AddyPottle) February 3, 2020

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Ace Rothstein Feb 3, 2020 • 6:41:25pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I was in a casino in Council Bluffs in the middle of January a few years ago, and there was a line out the door for the discounted buffet where the patrons saved…wait for it…one dollar off the regular price.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 6:41:38pm

No impeachment witnesses … what a crime scene.https://t.co/wzOMinGf7B pic.twitter.com/7SMWATOnb4

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) February 3, 2020

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 6:43:26pm

Hugh all in for Bernie https://t.co/q2ILCbNm8o

— Doremus Jessup (@DoremusJ) February 4, 2020

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 6:43:45pm

re: #108 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

~~The Iowa~~ caucuses is are just plain stupid

FTFY

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 6:46:13pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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All my dogs have loved tomatoes

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retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 6:46:55pm

Nate Silver
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@NateSilver538
AP is now showing some *final* alignment data — just 19 precincts — and it’s Sanders 26, Buttigieg 24, Biden 20, Warren 18, Klobuchar 11

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 6:47:54pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Well, yes, I suppose they are “stupid”. But I would argue that the entire idea of the polity in this country doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. It is a left over from the 18th century, or even older.

Caucuses do, however, paint an image of a society, with one group trying to pressure another group to join them. At the heart of campaigning is bandwagoning

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 6:51:19pm

A coyote and a badger use a culvert as a wildlife crossing to pass under a busy California highway together. Coyotes and badgers are known to hunt together.

🎥Peninsula Open Space Trust pic.twitter.com/oS9BL5JOoK

— Russ McSpadden (@PeccaryNotPig) February 4, 2020

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 6:52:25pm

TjHSmIg/Pw+zZq5yi7ecqUdVB8QfAnvdGQJk0rA1CYgNCgxNL2B6EUMfWV+buKk01XUagEAuofa/SADo+L0A7vrGfd/+bXAGlcRmoWnywUWpWY9Jl4YHibspvn7sE+lJm6oYgi+/mD4C1ZjF5e+mHB9EyD9cVscMLEf+efhBqlGyHs8OVZ+yWMIcEj7G6RXsjQZW7jBXNMEuRVaKMCbcVm41GOdIPf06o0v3ecLiEzDxF5zVsIIIrGaTpSb/rIhA

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goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 6:54:28pm

A coyote and a badger use a culvert as a wildlife crossing to pass under a busy California highway together. Coyotes and badgers are known to hunt together.

🎥Peninsula Open Space Trust pic.twitter.com/oS9BL5JOoK

— Russ McSpadden (@PeccaryNotPig) February 4, 2020

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 6:54:44pm

re: #121 retired cynic

Nate Silver
✔
@NateSilver538
AP is now showing some *final* alignment data — just 19 precincts — and it’s Sanders 26, Buttigieg 24, Biden 20, Warren 18, Klobuchar 11

If Mayor Pete finishes second overall, he is viable going into NH.

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Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 6:55:11pm

Symbolic of greed and arrogance.

— Rogue Patriot (@RoguePatriot2) February 3, 2020

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 6:55:27pm

re: #123 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I’m thinking there’s a cartoon to be made from that.

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retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 6:55:35pm

re: #126 NO SMOCKING GUN!

This is a real small percentage of precincts, if I understand correctly.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 6:56:12pm

The Spartacus caucus. #IowaCaucuses https://t.co/1qrWQUUh9c

— Carlton Abner (@CarltonAbner) February 4, 2020

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 6:57:20pm

I was unhappy with both Booker and Harris dropping out. But they couldn’t keep up with the Bernie-gang tar and feathering them at every turn, and Biden had the institutional Democrats on his side.

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retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 6:57:31pm

re: #129 retired cynic

This is a real small percentage of precincts, if I understand correctly.

Yep, there are 1,681! So 19, no matter where they are from, are small beer.

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retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 6:59:13pm

NATE SILVER9:56 PM
So far, Sarah, I think that we’ve learned that Buttigieg is likely to perform at the higher end of his range and that there probably isn’t going to be a blowout winner tonight. Beyond that, everything is pretty speculative.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:01:14pm

If Pete does well tonight, I expect a massive outpouring of BUTTIGIEG IS A RACIST! machines popping up on twitter, many of them also Trumpers.

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Dave In Austin Feb 3, 2020 • 7:01:39pm

I could watch Maddow/Wallace all night. That’s Huntley/Brinkley stuff right there.

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retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 7:06:03pm

Tim Alberta
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@TimAlberta
Iowa is charming and everything but let’s all admit that if we saw this sloppy, chaotic, slap-dash voting system employed in another country we’d call for UN election monitoring.

6,360
7:58 PM - Feb 3, 2020

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 7:06:13pm

One of the craziest things about the #IowaCaucuses is that all 100 Iowa State House seats (and 25/50 State Senate seats) are up in 2020, and Democrats are only three seats away from flipping the House blue and breaking a Republican trifecta.#ItStartsWithStates

— Sister District (@Sister_District) February 4, 2020

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Citizen K Feb 3, 2020 • 7:06:35pm

If it actually comes down to Biden, Pete, and Bernie in the end, I’m going to put what I can behind Biden, but man…it’s going to be just a gigantic dick kick toward anyone who doesn’t automatically get hives toward “identity politics” and/or who want to actually play proper hardball against the GOP.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:06:50pm

Berners starting to come up with reasons why Bernie isn’t running away with it:

MSNBC reports delays in official results are because they’re (Democratic officials) are doing “quality control”…”with an abundance of caution”.
I for one do not like the sound of that.
My antennae are way up now. #IowaCaucuses

— Community Independent Journal (@DiggingforTrut1) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 7:07:21pm

A very important point from DK:

Though as we’ll emphasize throughout the night, it takes 1,990 delegates to win the Democratic nomination. Only 41 are up for grabs tonight, and the final result could be very close.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 7:09:27pm

re: #139 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Here’s some history, so being cautious is not a bad thing:https://t.co/R0DZ5BUsO6

— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) February 4, 2020

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goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 7:11:25pm

According to the TV network I work for, the lone person caucusing for Tulsi Gabbard in Clive, Iowa initially wouldn’t budge, but eventually flipped and went to Amy Klobuchar. Unbridled chaos energy.

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) February 4, 2020

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lawhawk Feb 3, 2020 • 7:12:12pm

What are we going to learn from the caucus in a state that has a vanishingly small population that is 90% white?

Not a whole lot. It might force a reckoning of a few lesser candidates, but it wont shake up the top 3 or 4.

Super Tuesday is what matters. That is where this race really takes shape. Same as always. Just because someone wins Iowa doesn’t mean that they’ll win the nomination, or even that they are electable. Caucus sucks. It’s an awful way of choosing a candidate, because it attracts people who have lots of time to play politics, and isn’t representative of the state or electorate as a whole.

I think Democrats should switch to ranked choice voting, but that’s just me.

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lawhawk Feb 3, 2020 • 7:13:16pm

re: #137 jaunte

All elections and all races matter.

The GOP is watching their hold on power slipping, and they are increasingly desperate to grab and retain power, especially in a redistricting election too (2020 is census, which ultimately drives redistricting that will be in place for the 2022 midterms).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:13:35pm

Iowa is mostly a rural state, the only urban area being Des Moines and surrounds, which barely make the cut for “urban”. All those people in medium to small cities probably don’t look at the world like the 19 yo Berners on some campus.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:14:40pm

re: #143 lawhawk

However, Obama winning the caucuses in 2008 really helped open the eyes of those (like me) who thought Hillary had the nomination wired.

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lawhawk Feb 3, 2020 • 7:16:07pm

re: #146 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Obama showed he was competitive in 2008, and Super Tuesday carried that home. She showed that Super Tuesday mattered in 2016. After Super Tuesday, she had the race secured - Bernie never closed the gap. That’s why I again point to the importance of Super Tuesday, which is what candidates should be focusing on. It was far more competitive in 2008, though Obama ultimately pulled ahead.

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bratwurst Feb 3, 2020 • 7:16:51pm

I am going to check in with a highly controversial opinion here.

The fact that this ridiculous caucus produces results requiring “quality control” before release is a sign that tonight is a fucking joke.

I will go even further and suggest that the fact our electoral system is seriously fucked up in every possible sense AND this country presently has a sociopathic conman/reality TV show host as president are not unrelated.

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Citizen K Feb 3, 2020 • 7:17:39pm

Uh….welp. Preview of what the future might hold in the courts:

Holy crap, a Trump-appointed appellate judge would have ruled that private litigants *cannot sue when there’s a Voting Rights Act violation.* This was just a dissent for now, but this would destroy what’s left of the Voting Rights Act if it were to become a majority opinion https://t.co/KrTNPuYlSz

— Stephen Wolf (@PoliticsWolf) February 4, 2020

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Interesting Times Feb 3, 2020 • 7:17:42pm

Well this is cheerful :/

Yup! It’s a growing phenomenon. I expect to see an explosion of cults as institutions implode. Politician personality cults, but also just cults — Jim Jones, Charles Manson-style cults. Some will be in reaction to climate catastrophes too — surviving them, making sense of them.

— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) February 4, 2020

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:17:46pm

Donald Trump would like to thank the people of Iowa for exercising their civic duty and coming out to award him victory in the #IowaCaucuses. You’ve all done the great state of Nebraska proud. #IACaucus

— Richard Jeter (@MilesToGo13) February 4, 2020

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 7:18:03pm

re: #143 lawhawk

What are we going to learn from the caucus in a state that has a vanishingly small population that is 90% white?

Not a whole lot. It might force a reckoning of a few lesser candidates, but it wont shake up the top 3 or 4.

Super Tuesday is what matters. That is where this race really takes shape. Same as always. Just because someone wins Iowa doesn’t mean that they’ll win the nomination, or even that they are electable. Caucus sucks. It’s an awful way of choosing a candidate, because it attracts people who have lots of time to play politics, and isn’t representative of the state or electorate as a whole.

I think Democrats should switch to ranked choice voting, but that’s just me.

However lots of Ia winners have been nominees, and the February caucuses and primaries will decide who is viable in super tuesday other than bloomberg.

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 7:19:42pm

re: #148 bratwurst

I am going to check in with a highly controversial opinion here.

The fact that this ridiculous caucus produces results requiring “quality control” before release is a sign that tonight is a fucking joke.

I will go even further and suggest that the fact our electoral system is seriously fucked up in every possible sense AND this country presently has a sociopathic conman/reality TV show host as president are not unrelated.

Can’t disagree.

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retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 7:21:16pm

Peter Hamby
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@PeterHamby
literally ~90% of the news coverage right now is coming from DSM area precincts that are younger & higher-educated — and people are drawing wayyyy too many conclusions from that

441
9:03 PM - Feb 3, 2020

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:22:16pm

re: #148 bratwurst

Don’t most elections have the equivalent of “quality control”? E.g., San Diego county doesn’t report final results until about a month or so after an election, as there are always ballots to throw out, or to contend.

And in regards to the caucuses - they seem out of date, true, but they are not really voting for President or any office. It’s about political parties trying to decide who to pick as candidates, a process which is much better today than in much of US history, in regards to having more people participate.

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CarolJ Feb 3, 2020 • 7:22:29pm

re: #146 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

And the reason it did was because it showed black people that white people would actually really vote for a black candidate. Remember that Sharpton and Mosely-Braun had ran in the last cycle and didn’t make much of a mark.

Back then, I hadn’t really noticed the mechanics of the caucus. But looking back, what helped Obama was that it was the 3rd of January, and a lot of students and others were off and able to caucus. Right after Xmas, so people were probably on their Winter vacation or Winter Break. But February, on a Monday night, is another matter. What about those who have to get to bed early to attend early classes, or work?

Nervous about Biden, and rooting for him. Hope he stays in and allows us to rally around him. And I will canvass for him.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:23:58pm

Before the 1970’s and the growth of caucuses and primaries, party candidates were often selected by at best dubious means. See the 19th century for some wild examples.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 7:24:27pm

re: #150 Interesting Times

Well this is cheerful :/

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I realize Trump and the GOP are once in a lifetime thing, but I swear even smart people forget our history, and the size of our country, when they get scared.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 7:24:38pm

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

The only reason we still have caucuses at all with their almost DND-esque complexity level of game structure is because Bernie’s people fought tooth and nail to keep them

— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 7:27:11pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

I am confused by this statement: “Biden team amassed extra delegates, and then siphoned them to Klo & Warren.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:27:27pm

Berners preparing for Bernie not winning by coming up with all sorts of dark and nefarious reasons:

“Quality control” and “abundance of caution” are statements I would expect at my local McDonald’s not a primary. The McFix is in. #IowaCaucuses #CaucusForBernie

— Antonio Franco (@TonioFranco) February 4, 2020

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:27:54pm

re: #160 Belafon

Klo comes after J-Lo in the celebrity alphabet.

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CarolJ Feb 3, 2020 • 7:30:01pm

I would like to see if the ranked-choice voting used by Maine to be applied to the caucus.
It might take a few days longer, but it would allow more people to participate and a clearer picture of the desires of the party faithful. If we win, 2024 would be a good time to experiment with this with a very small (if extant) field.

Should be all paper of course, and tallied-and retallied-by hand.

Berners should have expected this. Marks on paper are largely easy to determine compared to a living person who can change their mind several times in a night.

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bratwurst Feb 3, 2020 • 7:30:30pm

re: #155 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Don’t most elections have the equivalent of “quality control”? E.g., San Diego county doesn’t report final results until about a month or so after an election, as there are always ballots to throw out, or to contend.

Absolutely. The difference is that they don’t announce the results are being held back for “quality control” at the time of night the results have almost always been made available in the past.

I don’t think one has to be a conspiracy theorist to be concerned that something strange is going on in the present situation.

re: #157 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Before the 1970’s and the growth of caucuses and primaries, party candidates were often selected by at best dubious means. See the 19th century for some wild examples.

No question. Nobody wants to go back to this. I do, however, feel like there is ample middle ground between the good people of Iowa having to show up at a certain place at a certain time to stand in groups and plead their case to supporters of “nonviable” candidates and candidates being chosen in smokey backrooms at conventions.

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Jebediah, RBG Feb 3, 2020 • 7:31:00pm

Things I really really want to happen:
Wilco to cover Within Your Reach by the Replacements
Replacements to cover Box Full of Letters (Wilco)
They both (separately) cover Starry Eyes by Roky Erickson.

And of course, for trmp to somehow get convicted and removed.

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retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 7:32:06pm

Kelly Dittmar
@kdittmar
Some pretty interesting gender numbers courtesy of @AP:

Women:
22% Warren
18% Biden
18% Sanders
16% Buttigieg
15% Klobuchar

Men:
21% Biden
20% Sanders
15% Buttigieg
14% Warren
12% Klobuchar

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 7:33:06pm

re: #164 bratwurst

See my #140.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:35:32pm

re: #164 bratwurst

The ability of the Democratic party machinery to message is not that high, IMO. That’s why the GOP uses Fox News - because the latter are specialists in messaging and highly effective at it.

I think there was some mention, before these caucuses started tonight, that the count would be slower and the app that was developed to help wasn’t really helping that well.

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Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 7:35:43pm

Trump campaign ejects Bloomberg News reporter from Iowa rally: report https://t.co/SpaK1l0dPc

— Matthew Chapman (@fawfulfan) February 4, 2020

…and yet American reporters respond, “Thank you master, may I have some more?” When the Brits have the bigger balls than the Yanks the world is upside down.

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 3, 2020 • 7:36:17pm

re: #18 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Nazis; I hope they all die horribly of lung cancer.

Hey there are other cancers, why do you put all the burden on lung cancer?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 7:36:28pm

hahaha https://t.co/fc8K4ZszaR

— Cate Martel (@CateMartel) February 4, 2020

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 7:37:20pm

Close enough https://t.co/fykBPVJTHR

— Dusty (@DustinGiebel) February 4, 2020

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 7:37:40pm

re: #170 The Pie Overlord!

Hey there are other cancers, why do you put all the burden on lung cancer?

Just because its killing a Nazi in the news today.

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retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 7:37:58pm

The bloggers on 538 live feed are saying these delays in reporting might be the final push that ends caucusing in IA. We could hope.

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Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 7:38:40pm

re: #157 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Before the 1970’s and the growth of caucuses and primaries, party candidates were often selected by at best dubious means. See the 19th century for some wild examples.

A friend of mine (now passed) loved to tell the story of how he attended a state convention sometime in the 1950’s (I don’t recall which party.)

He saw the slate of candidates (which were real slates as in chalkboards) and noted one of the candidates was blank. This may have been for state committees, Governors Council or whoever. Anyway, he sees his opening and chalks in his name.

He wasn’t listed for more than a few moments: Several party official confronted him, and in his words, roughed him up until he was compelled to remove his name.

I believed him. I still do. Massachusetts has more than a trace of this still left in its politics. Hard men and mafiosi of one ethnicity or another.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 7:38:56pm

re: #169 Dread Pirate

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…and yet American reporters respond, “Thank you master, may I have some more?” When the Brits have the bigger balls than the Yanks the world is upside down.

If CNN, NYT, and the WaPo sat out, do you think OANN would, or Daily Caller? Or Fox?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:41:19pm

Trumper trying to cause trouble:

Tied elections have often been called by lots of some sort. Why are you acting as if this is a new thing?

— freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) February 4, 2020

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Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 7:42:23pm

re: #176 Belafon

If CNN, NYT, and the WaPo sat out, do you think OANN would, or Daily Caller? Or Fox?

No, but they preach to the choir, so it doesn’t change anything.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 7:42:42pm

I do blame CNN and NYT for this because their attempts at balanced caused this, but right now we have a situation where Trump could be left alone with his propaganda outlets. And it’s a situation that will be tough to rectify, strengthening the media with Fox and John Roberts, but the media as a whole is broken.

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 7:43:29pm

I checked some other networks after watching MSNBC. Fox was about to go to Laura Ingraham, so I said nope and switched. I would love to watch Fox call Trump a loser in November though.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:43:34pm

The Trumpers are going to play this thing all the way through November, in order to nullify when a Dem wins:

Oh boy… #IowaCaucuses … #ElectionFraud already??

— 🇺🇸Becca (@BeccaRigal) February 4, 2020

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Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 7:46:06pm

They (CNN, etc.) wouldn’t be silent about not covering him, they’d be vocal about their treatment and the president’s lying. It’s better than the both-sidesing they are doing now in their attempt at maintaining access.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:46:57pm

I fully expect Trump to repeat this:

Go ahead & believe the people trying to convince you to just dismiss Judicial Watch voter fraud claims as right wing propaganda though.

Imo, this 👇🏽 delay is #DNCRigging trying to cover up some straight up fuckery in #IowaCaucuses

*Quality control* MY ASS https://t.co/Pjv9PnIinI

— ❌ E Deploribus Awesome ❌ (@Citizen_USA1) February 4, 2020

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Charles Johnson Feb 3, 2020 • 7:48:34pm

When Pedants Attack!

Have you watched every other series on tv in order to make that claim? Surely there’s another way to express your approval! #petpeeve

— gedawei (@gedawei) February 4, 2020

yes i have watched all of them

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2020

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Citizen K Feb 3, 2020 • 7:49:31pm

re: #179 Belafon

I do blame CNN and NYT for this because their attempts at balanced caused this, but right now we have a situation where Trump could be left alone with his propaganda outlets. And it’s a situation that will be tough to rectify, strengthening the media with Fox and John Roberts, but the media as a whole is broken.

I honestly feel like being left with just his propaganda outfits wouldn’t be so terrible, if the “actual” news networks 1) refused to carry his dumbass rallies, 2) bothered to aggressively fact check him in a sustained way, and 3) stopped taking cues from Fox and such to begin with far as what is actually ‘news’.

As it is, they still play footsie with the idea that Trump is the supergenius God-blessed president that he believes he is, and is more than happy to load up on conservative ‘wisdom’ while gleefully stirring shit with Dems any chance they can.

It’s amazingly difficult to do any sort of sustained message with that kind of environment to begin with.

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 7:53:15pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

When Pedants Attack!

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Its great. I’ve been enjoying Sabrina and Bojack Horseman too!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 7:54:44pm

re: #186 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Its great. I’ve been enjoying Sabrina and Bojack Horseman too!

Need to resume Bojack but I’m a fan. It’s got a lot of depth to it. Very well written too.

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i(m)p(each)sos Feb 3, 2020 • 7:55:21pm

2020: the year the Iowa caucus became non-viable.

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Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 7:55:54pm

The world weeps when ‘influencers’ apparently run policy. It’s like we have slipped down a rabbit hole and Alice has just popped up.
Topsy Turvey world.

— Reid Moule (@reidmoule) February 3, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 7:57:54pm

re: #189 Dread Pirate

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The presidency as we know it is finished.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 7:59:30pm

Lots of Trumpers are going all in:

Are you pretending that you never knew that tied elections are often decided by drawing lots of some kind?

— freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) February 4, 2020

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 8:01:52pm

Yangings spring into action to support Bernie-conspiracies:

Super suspicious.

I mean, the @DNC is just firmly committed to fucking @SenSanders straight in the ass, for some reason.

Bernie likely won, and his bump will be seriously diminished, especially in places like SC.#IowaCaucuses https://t.co/GZhKmKa61w

— Joe John Quinn 🧢 (@joejohnquinn) February 4, 2020

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BeachDem Feb 3, 2020 • 8:03:50pm

re: #152 NO SMOCKING GUN!

However lots of Ia winners have been nominees, and the February caucuses and primaries will decide who is viable in super tuesday other than bloomberg.

Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 43% success rate at predicting which Democratic candidate for president and a 50% success rate at predicting which Republican candidate for president will go on to win the nomination of their political party at that party’s national convention

In nearly half a century, only three contested Iowa caucus winners ever became President:
Jimmy Carter — 1976
George W. Bush — 2000
Barack Obama — 2008

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 8:04:51pm

Please enjoy this serene interlude. https://t.co/9QfiniddbW

— Sunfire (@Sunfire2109) February 4, 2020

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Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 8:05:48pm

Explainer of caucuses thread:

Something I learned from Washington State caucusing is that caucuses are run very oddly.

First, despite what they tell you, if you’re running to be a delegate, then it’s almost a “first come, first serve” kind of system.

I’ll explain.

— Solveig ⚧ - Autistic Acceptance Worldwide (@autisticb4mmr) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:05:49pm

re: #193 BeachDem

Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 43% success rate at predicting which Democratic candidate for president and a 50% success rate at predicting which Republican candidate for president will go on to win the nomination of their political party at that party’s national convention

In nearly half a century, only three contested Iowa caucus winners ever became President:
Jimmy Carter — 1976
George W. Bush — 2000
Barack Obama — 2008

It’s an anti bellwether in otherwords.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 8:06:34pm

re: #191 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Lots of Trumpers are going all in:

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Definitely time to mention the 2017 or 2018 election in VA decided by drawing a name from a bowl.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 8:06:38pm

I’m sure that the Trump-Fox-propaganda machine is putting this meme on full blast:

Literally after the debacle the Democrats just put us through with the #ImpeachmentSham, why would we trust them? #IowaCaucuses https://t.co/CzXPptRN5F

— RSkelly (@rskelly09) February 4, 2020

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 8:07:04pm

re: #194 jaunte

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OH TO BE A CAPYBARA NOT SURROUNDED BY ANY OTHER CAPYBARAS TAKING A CUSTOM HOT BATH FOR ONE

pic.twitter.com/jHLJoopXCf

— jonny sun (@jonnysun) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 8:08:14pm

re: #193 BeachDem

Where did you get that data?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:09:45pm

re: #197 Belafon

Definitely time to mention the 2017 or 2018 election in VA decided by drawing a name from a bowl.

17 and it benefited the GOP. We didn’t like it but then we ended up taking the House of Delegates last year.

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Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 8:10:19pm

About 1/3 of caucus-goers in 2016 were first-time attendees.

About 1/3 tonight were first-time attendees.

The only way to have both 1) a lot of first-timers; and 2) flat total participation is if people don’t come again. https://t.co/9ptelUqq4c

— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:11:03pm

re: #200 Belafon

Where did you get that data?

Should be on Wiki. Iowa really isn’t a bellwether for either party.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 8:11:12pm

Here’s the reality that all these conspiracy minded (Trumpers, Berners, etc.) don’t want to accept:

There is a manual count at each caucus. These are not secret. Indeed, the people whining about caucuses not being secret ought not be whining about a DNC coverup. You can’t be public in counting and covering up at the same time.

The app was intended to speed the process. But the counting is manual in each caucus.

The point of this caucus is to send delegates to the Iowa convention, not the national convention. By the time the Iowa convention comes around months from now, it may end up being different in results because of what happens to candidates between now and then.

So all this angst about the counting is really for nothing other than anti-Democratic party propaganda.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 8:13:44pm

re: #203 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Should be on Wiki. Iowa really isn’t a bellwether for either party.

Thanks, but now that I go to wikipedia, I see this:

Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 55% success rate at predicting which Democrat, and a 43% success rate at predicting which Republican will go on to win the nomination of their political party for president at that party’s national convention[

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Ace-o-aces Feb 3, 2020 • 8:13:58pm

Hey Paul… pic.twitter.com/ytWNxrzll3

— ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) February 4, 2020

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Florida Panhandler Feb 3, 2020 • 8:16:33pm

re: #127 Dread Pirate

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It is a common misconception amongst “normal” people that if given enough money into the many $$$ Billions, a person will decide that it is enough already and dedicate themselves to helping other people.

As proven by Trump and many others, it is a lie. For these types of people, enough is never enough.

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Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 8:16:58pm

Read @ella_nilsen on this. https://t.co/PBV4JUJ1iO

— German Lopez (@germanrlopez) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:17:46pm

re: #205 Belafon

Thanks, but now that I go to wikipedia, I see this:

Yeah it’s 50-50.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 8:18:25pm

Fuckin’ Iowa amirite? pic.twitter.com/FA1SxLrkOA

— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:18:28pm

re: #208 Sherlock Hound

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I really hope we abolish them once and for all.

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Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 8:20:17pm

It’s one thing if Iowa Democrats decide they’re not going to care about people with disabilities and voter suppression so they can stick with caucuses, but I’m not sure why the national party insists on letting this shitshow launch the entire election.

— German Lopez (@germanrlopez) February 4, 2020

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 8:20:28pm

Amy Klobuchar giving a speech while there are still people awake. Smart.

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Florida Panhandler Feb 3, 2020 • 8:20:38pm

re: #172 jaunte

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The Trump Effect goes international.

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Interesting Times Feb 3, 2020 • 8:20:41pm

Same:

Hi. Canadian here.

Why are caucuses?

Why is the whole country not voting on the same day?

Why is each state different? Not only in procedure, but also is how votes are tallied and what they mean.

Why is your whole electoral process? pic.twitter.com/mI613OZoOA

— Maie Lynn Bee, PhD (@maie_lynn) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 8:21:56pm

re: #215 Interesting Times

We can’t even all agree here that caucuses are bad. Imagine 300+M people deciding.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:22:05pm

re: #215 Interesting Times

Same:

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Yeah I’m there with him.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Feb 3, 2020 • 8:23:43pm

i think the groundhog has done seen his shadow here

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:24:19pm

I smell borscht. “Last year?” (No caucus last year.)

Twitter apparently has a new reporting procedure for reporting electoral lies. I suggest the Twitterati take a cactus to the orifices of this person’s account.

#IowaCaucuses

This time last year, 80% reported

Now = zero percent #DNCRigging in real time

— ❌ E Deploribus Awesome ❌ (@Citizen_USA1) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:24:35pm

re: #206 Ace-o-aces

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Yeah that dude is the last who should be saying anything.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Feb 3, 2020 • 8:26:05pm

re: #205 Belafon

Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 55% success rate at predicting which Democrat

so, nobody then

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Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 8:27:07pm

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Done! Smells like a ratfucker, all right!

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Weaselone Feb 3, 2020 • 8:28:35pm

I’m going to go out on the limb and say that the reason for the delay is because there’s a sizable difference in the results of entrance polls, percentage of votes received and delegates actually awarded because.

1. There were 5 candidates (Buttigieg, Biden, Warren, Bernie and Klobuchar) with entrance poll numbers that suggested they would meet the viability threshold of 15% in a sizable amount of precincts.
2. Entrance polls showed these candidates with from 14%-23% of the vote. With the 15% threshold there’s not a lot of a safety margin, particularly if a candidate’s voters are concentrated in certain precincts.
3. Entrance polls show some candidates with significant strengths with some groups of voters and weaknesses with others. Biden for example is strong with the 65+ group, weak with the youth vote will Bernie is the opposite.

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retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 8:29:41pm

Klobuchar being smart; came out to give a speech and is being carried live because there is nothing else to report except the app to be used for caucus reporting didn’t work. Sounds like Warren is getting ready to follow her lead.

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Interesting Times Feb 3, 2020 • 8:30:09pm

Ha (would still be a better president than trump tho):

600-Pound Butter Cow Sculpture Wins Iowa Caucus https://t.co/i6FMhHAfeF pic.twitter.com/7GjcFz5IRl

— The Onion (@TheOnion) February 4, 2020

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 8:31:15pm

On MSNBC they are reporting both the reporting ap and the phone in process for reporting results are a disaster. One saying he has been on hold for 2 hours trying to report his precinct.

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BeachDem Feb 3, 2020 • 8:31:22pm

re: #198 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’m sure that the Trump-Fox-propaganda machine is putting this meme on full blast:

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And then there are Republican caucuses:

In 2012, the Republican caucus was heavily contested between several challengers. Initial results reported that Mitt Romney beat out Rick Santorum by just 8 votes, but when the final results came out two weeks later Rick Santorum secured the victory over Romney by a margin of 34 votes with Ron Paul in a strong 3rd. Results were certified by the Caucus, but not by the Republican party, who declared it a split decision due to missing reports from 8 precincts, but who later certified the caucus as a win for Santorum. The caucus winner changed yet again when the Iowa delegate totals were finally determined giving Ron Paul the win along with several other states that same weekend.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Feb 3, 2020 • 8:32:57pm

R. A. T. T. F. U. C. K.

ratfucked

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retired cynic Feb 3, 2020 • 8:33:15pm

More information from the Iowa Democratic Communications Director Mandy McClure: “We found inconsistencies in the reporting of three sets of results. In addition to the tech systems being used to tabulate results, we are also using photos of results and a paper trail to validate that all results match and ensure that we have confidence and accuracy in the numbers we report. This is simply a reporting issue, the app did not go down and this is not a hack or an intrusion. The underlying data and paper trail is sound and will simply take time to further report the results.”

And with that, I’m going to hit the sack. G’nite, lizards.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:33:34pm

Berniebots are in full disinformation mode with the rigged results claim…marching lockstep with the Putinbots, FAUX and the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine…honestly getting sick of them…

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BeachDem Feb 3, 2020 • 8:34:03pm

re: #200 Belafon

Where did you get that data?

veteransview.com

minnesota.cbslocal.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:34:19pm

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’ve come round on Twitter to a different position than “boycott it.” (I still won’t go on Twitter myself.)

It seems unlikely it’s going to go away any time soon, so a more pragmatic approach would be to pressure Twitter to enforce its own terms of service, and impose regulations on social media companies’ use of data at the federal level.

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 8:34:43pm

Iowa caucuses making a great case for eliminating the Iowa caucuses.

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danarchy Feb 3, 2020 • 8:35:14pm

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I smell borscht. “Last year?” (No caucus last year.)

Twitter apparently has a new reporting procedure for reporting electoral lies. I suggest the Twitterati take a cactus to the orifices of this person’s account.

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Just heard this same thing on TV but with one minor difference. They said this time last election, not last year.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:35:15pm

re: #230 Joe Bacon 🌹

Berniebots are in full disinformation mode with the rigged results claim…marching lockstep with the Putinbots, FAUX and the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine…honestly getting sick of them…

Putin always was playing both sides. It’s heartbreaking to me that so many young people are gullible to it.

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gocart mozart Feb 3, 2020 • 8:36:44pm

STOP EVERYTHING and listen to this. You’ll understand exactly what the problem is (not kidding). pic.twitter.com/w3sL0a1d1u

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) February 4, 2020

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:36:53pm

re: #230 Joe Bacon 🌹

My wife and I listened to the Utah Outcasts podcast with you on it last night. You seem to be settling in with the hosts quite nicely there.

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gocart mozart Feb 3, 2020 • 8:37:23pm

The conservative movement has entered a very healthy phase. https://t.co/z0uj0Yea4E

— Roy Edroso (@edroso) February 4, 2020

I find it sad that Saul Alinsky didn’t live long enough to find out that he was the real puppet master all along.

— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 8:37:29pm

re: #235 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Putin always was playing both sides. It’s heartbreaking to me that so many young people are gullible to it.

The ones who freak out are a small number. Most are going to be like the rest of us: back our candidate and vote for the Democratic nominee.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:37:58pm

re: #235 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Putin always was playing both sides. It’s heartbreaking to me that so many young people are gullible to it.

Lack of experience in politics is probably a large part of it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:38:31pm

re: #238 gocart mozart

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Lovely.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:39:05pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Lack of experience in politics is probably a large part of it.

No shit. That doesn’t change my frustration.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 8:39:07pm

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Twitter was weaponized very early in its life. Now, we’re stuck in using it as such to counter the idiocy?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:40:01pm

re: #239 Belafon

The ones who freak out are a small number. Most are going to be like the rest of us: back our candidate and vote for the Democratic nominee.

Oh yeah, it’s just going to be exhausting dealing with those who deal in bad faith.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 8:40:47pm

re: #236 gocart mozart

“I am not a member of an organized political party. I am a Democrat.”
— Will Rogers

— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) February 4, 2020

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danarchy Feb 3, 2020 • 8:41:14pm

re: #213 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Amy Klobuchar giving a speech while there are still people awake. Smart.

Smarter is that she did it while all of the news stations were dying for content so they all ran it in it’s entirety. Then Warren and Biden came out after at about the same time and ended up splitting coverage.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:41:25pm

re: #243 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Twitter was weaponized very early in its life. Now, we’re stuck in using it as such to counter the idiocy?

Well, any new technology will be weaponised as soon as it can be.

I wonder how long it was after the telephone was invented before politicos and telemarketers came about?

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Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 8:42:38pm

re: #238 gocart mozart

Antifa has meetings? One more reason not to belong. It’s like atheist meetings, my whole purpose in being an atheist is avoiding weekly meetings.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 8:43:00pm

Trumpers are ablaze on Twitter, with false concern for Bernie.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:43:16pm

re: #238 gocart mozart

Antifascists are all Sanders supporters? That’s news to antifascists.

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CarolJ Feb 3, 2020 • 8:43:27pm

It seems like caucuses are like communes: they only work with relatively small and intimate groups of people, where people can talk out their differences in a leisurely way.
For politics, it might not be bad for intra-party positions like Party Chairman, precinct captain, Party Treasurer or Secretary. It might not be bad for a town with say, 100 people eligible to vote.

The people involved here would all be well-informed Party insiders and the voting pool is probably mostly under 500 people.

It would be like my Condo Association: everybody knows everybody.

These people have the time to sort it out leisurely, being professional/semi-professional politicians.

The Iowa Caucus, even at the reduced numbers from 2008, are too large and non-diverse for this to work anymore. Once it might have been leisurely meetings of otherwise house-bound farmers who didn’t have to report to a boss, now it’s frazzled suburbanites who have to make it home in time to go to work.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 8:43:33pm

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, any new technology will be weaponised as soon as it can be.

I wonder how long it was after the telephone was invented before politicos and telemarketers came about?

I’m pretty sure the person whose phone number was 2 was a GOP push poller.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:44:25pm

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife and I listened to the Utah Outcasts podcast with you on it last night. You seem to be settling in with the hosts quite nicely there.

Fella I had a real bad week. X and I had a long talk about it. Glad he was letting me vent. Also bad news from Dr. Had a biopsy today and another specialist on Tuesday with another followup with a surgeon on Thursday. Glad that they let me decompress.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 8:45:35pm

Ames Precinct 9:
3 for Klobuchar 2 each for Warren Sanders and Buttigieg. #IowaCaucuses

— Ann Gansemer-Topf (@anngtopf) February 4, 2020

Ames is a university town… so Bernie not getting anything in that caucus is pretty surprising.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:45:43pm

re: #253 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fella I had a real bad week. X and I had a long talk about it. Glad he was letting me vent. Also bad news from Dr. Had a biopsy today and another specialist on Tuesday with another followup with a surgeon on Thursday. Glad that they let me decompress.

I hope things go well with your doc.

X and Kyle may be bitingly snarky, but they are also compassionate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 8:46:15pm

Example #153,890,563,267,503

Why caucuses are stupid

— 𝙒𝘽 𝙔𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙜 🍕🐀😷 (@FormerDirtDart) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 8:46:23pm

re: #254 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Ames is a university town… so Bernie not getting anything in that caucus is pretty surprising.

That’s Iowa State. Interesting.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 8:47:15pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

What was #153,890,563,267,502?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:47:41pm

re: #252 Belafon

I’m pretty sure the person whose phone number was 2 was a GOP push poller.

LOL, growing up my phone number was 12. (One long ring, two short rings. Party lines for the win.)

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 8:49:43pm

*perfect* chance for news orgs to act collectively, stand by CNN, and boycott lunch and Trump bullying

it’s a total no-brainer….and I doubt there’s a 20% chance it happens https://t.co/89HYO3qcAr

— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) February 4, 2020

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 8:50:50pm

re: #258 Belafon

What was #153,890,563,267,502?

LISTEN: Des Moines County Democratic Party co-chairman Tom Courtney speaks with NPR about the new app used for Iowa caucus results:

“The app didn’t work. Things didn’t work out right.” https://t.co/as8BgUQrU6 pic.twitter.com/ESPi1JdnRk

— NPR Politics (@nprpolitics) February 4, 2020

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:51:04pm

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 3, 2020 • 8:51:15pm

Results are not in, but Bernie is holding a victory party anyway:

Bernie Sanders: “I have a strong feeling that at some point the results will be announced and when those results are announced, I have a good feeling we’re going to be doing very, very well here in Iowa.” https://t.co/QvMOpNJhxo pic.twitter.com/7zHYzRfBqh

— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:51:24pm

re: #260 jaunte

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Regardless of what happens in November, these are dark times.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:51:44pm

Why a coin toss? It’s Iowa why not wrestle? Box? Twerk-off? Spelling bee? Seems like great ways to choose our next president. https://t.co/SRW4kLPUs1

— Umar Lee (@UmarLeeIII) February 4, 2020

In the 2014 election for village board here, the uber-conservative gun shop owner tied with a slacktavist candidate. The election was decided by a cut of a deck of cards. (The state constitution says ties will be decided by lot.)

There is nothing special about this.

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Rightwingconspirator Feb 3, 2020 • 8:51:47pm

re: #253 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fella I had a real bad week. X and I had a long talk about it. Glad he was letting me vent. Also bad news from Dr. Had a biopsy today and another specialist on Tuesday with another followup with a surgeon on Thursday. Glad that they let me decompress.

Really sorry to see that, hoping better news to follow.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 8:53:34pm

Big drop in campaign coverage on the evening newscasts in the run-up to Iowa https://t.co/v8gy5tmKbR pic.twitter.com/xXLxFyJEfu

— Michael Calderone (@mlcalderone) February 3, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 8:54:18pm

re: #267 Belafon

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Well impeachment I’m sure.

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 8:55:04pm

re: #261 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Reminds me of the failure of Romney’s ap election day 2012.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 8:55:17pm

re: #262 Joe Bacon 🌹

/YDg7Yfxif5L1FQuaaWzK4IGDMXmO554KK54h1xuVX9Oz0XfOcuWoSyPXmwPFLJdaH1qH3oGtNDmCFTHYFvo6c/wM2zL1JCY1zVhtBwm+t5XmlHA5VR1toJLfzO0nhLS6Q1pzAK2qe/WG6dfeIHkUsOQbo+KVHGdzbYICSUDiV06yIQzDljX4WYl1qJiFRcfdulDryEcZHAfpiRE9wx4VP+MAtKXEPGJUwlkFlmeFt1WWVaE0PrtUQ==

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danarchy Feb 3, 2020 • 8:55:56pm

re: #267 Belafon

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I wonder if that has anything to do with something else going on in DC last week.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 8:56:48pm

The list of dumb Berner takes just got longer. This one is worth there entries just for the sheer dumbness. https://t.co/1omZygrEJ0

— soonergrunt 🇺🇸 (@soonergrunt) February 4, 2020

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 8:58:08pm

If tonight results in the end of Iowa caucuses, at least something was accomplished. But it probably won’t even do that.

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sagehen Feb 3, 2020 • 8:58:15pm

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, any new technology will be weaponised as soon as it can be.

I wonder how long it was after the telephone was invented before politicos and telemarketers came about?

usually porn before weaponization… (polaroid photos? videotape cassettes? photos on your phone? — don’t tell me weaponizing these technologies pre-dates pornifying them)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 8:59:45pm

The only thing worse than Bernie supporters fantasizing a conspiracy in the #IowaCaucuses are the Trump-bots faking concern for Bernie.

— freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) February 4, 2020

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 9:00:20pm

The revenge of the millennials…they made us all get apps…and now the Iowa Caucus app !

— Greta Van Susteren (@greta) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:00:55pm

re: #272 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Oh, yes Obama’s huge advocacy of Perez. Really fuck these people. They’re not democratic socialists, they’re authoritarian. If they don’t get their way, it’s a conspiracy. Maybe actually learn about the nominating process but nah that would involve actually looking at the fact that this isn’t some dumb game where the person who makes the most ambitious promises is presidential.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:01:09pm

re: #276 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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The $¢ientologi$t just had to chime in with more Republican propaganda…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 9:01:32pm

CBS News asked @MikeBloomberg — who is campaigning in California during the Iowa Caucuses — about his feud with President Trump, and whether people want to see two billionaires fighting on Twitter.

Bloomberg: “Two billionaires? Who’s the second one?” pic.twitter.com/UYGENHauKw

— CBS News (@CBSNews) February 4, 2020

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 9:02:47pm

blaming “silicon valley” for a single app failure is the most DC thing ever

— Peter Hamby (@PeterHamby) February 4, 2020

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CarolJ Feb 3, 2020 • 9:03:17pm

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, any new technology will be weaponised as soon as it can be.

I wonder how long it was after the telephone was invented before politicos and telemarketers came about?

Probably telemarketers came first. Early adopters are usually rich folks. Also every new gadget comes with things that are designed to enhance the experience. Telephones with different colors, longer cords, that sort of thing.

Later politicians calling up people for donations.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:03:21pm

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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I love how Bloomberg kicks Trump in the nuts every second and he won’t back down.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:03:23pm

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Bloomy’s a good baiter I will give him that. Low on my list tho.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:03:48pm

How is it that they make the campaign season 300 years long but demand the vote be counted so quickly that it requires an app? Count the voters and add up the results on paper, you ding-dongs! The media can wait. Accuracy is more important than speed!

— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 9:04:06pm

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Gotta give Bloomberg props, he knows which of Trump’s buttons to push: All of them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 9:04:44pm

(a) the DNC has no involvement in this election;
(b) Bernie supporters occupy a significant number of positions in the IDP;
(c) there are no hidden ballots, everyone votes publicly;
(d) every candidate has an independent count;
(e) there are paper backups https://t.co/EgTzo1wD84

— rev. howard arson (@Theophite) February 4, 2020

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gocart mozart Feb 3, 2020 • 9:04:45pm

He is gonna delete it pic.twitter.com/O6LNHniHg9

— Dusty (@DustinGiebel) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 9:05:05pm

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹🎃

But accuracy means vote rigging according to the bots.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Feb 3, 2020 • 9:06:43pm

the app “failed”. the phone system “failed”

i still sez RATFUCKED

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gocart mozart Feb 3, 2020 • 9:08:19pm

pic.twitter.com/TBv5rqxWjs

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) February 4, 2020

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 9:08:50pm

Whatever the final count, right now it looks like the only real news (not the propaganda from mindless Trumpers and Berners and Yanglings…) is that if Biden doesn’t place first or second then one can indeed ask if he has the pull that people have thought all along.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 9:08:51pm

Listen, you can’t simply cram Iowa, caucuses, an app and Tom Perez all together.

That’s at least one too many things that suck, it was bound to go wrong

— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) February 4, 2020

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bratwurst Feb 3, 2020 • 9:11:04pm

Part of avoiding impropriety is avoiding the very appearance of impropriety.

The people who organized the #IowaCaucuses tonight utterly failed in this. They should never be allowed to put the party and the country in this position ever again.

— Clay C. (@ClayC1969) February 4, 2020

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:11:37pm

David Nir just posts on Daily Kos:

It’s evident at this point that we will not see anything approaching reliable, accurate results of Iowa’s 2020 Democratic caucuses tonight, so in an unprecedented move, we are cancelling this liveblog. We’ll check back in on Tuesday morning once we—hopefully—know more. But at the very least, this episode should spell the permanent end of all caucuses

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:11:42pm

re: #289 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the app “failed”. the phone system “failed”

i still sez RATFUCKED

Phone systems never fail in the north central states in winter. That’s just crazy talk, it must be a conspiracy. /s

(My town’s phones were out most of yesterday.)

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Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 9:13:06pm

Caucus de l’Iowa : en attendant un gagnant, le parti démocrate comme grand perdanthttps://t.co/gsCTTxBlrn

— CNEWS (@CNEWS) February 4, 2020

Translated headline: “Iowa Caucus: Waiting For Winner, Democratic Party Is Loser”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 9:13:28pm

re: #295 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Phone systems never fail in the north central states in winter. That’s just crazy talk, it must be a conspiracy. /s

(My town’s phones were out most of yesterday.)

Not to mention, they’re all probably using cell phones for the calls

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:13:46pm

Interestingly, last night my wife was watching a YouTube video, and CBS put up an advert, which was the entire first episode of Star Trek: Picard. (I guess the idea is to pique interest in signing up for their streaming service.)

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 9:14:08pm

re: #297 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Not to mention, they’re all probably using cell phones for the calls

They should be using ham radios. /

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:14:54pm

Meanwhile Washington Post shows Trump got 97.1% of Iowa GOP caucus goers. Bill Weld and Joe Walsh each got slightly more than 1%…

washingtonpost.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:15:01pm

re: #299 Belafon

They should be using ham radios. /

I imagine there are large portions of Iowa were there is no cell service, just like here.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 9:15:21pm

re: #299 Belafon

They should be using ham radios. /

Semaphore flags

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:15:54pm

re: #300 Joe Bacon 🌹

“In a stunning upset, Donald Trump wins the GOP caucus in Iowa by the narrowest of margins.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Feb 3, 2020 • 9:16:09pm

apparently the iowa cock-up is turning into an entire democratic convention

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:17:51pm

I for one am sick of conspiracy theory hot takes based on no evidence. People want our futuristic society but then we act shocked when it’s imperfect. This caucus was never going to be a huge determining factor in who the nominee will be.

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Sherlock Hound Feb 3, 2020 • 9:18:46pm

re: #297 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Not to mention, they’re all probably using cell phones for the calls

Which are completely reliable when many phones are active in a small area, excuse me, the many multitudes of small areas that make up Iowa.
/

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mmmirele Feb 3, 2020 • 9:19:46pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Interestingly, last night my wife was watching a YouTube video, and CBS put up an advert, which was the entire first episode of Star Trek: Picard. (I guess the idea is to pique interest in signing up for their streaming service.)

Did she watch it? Was it any good?

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CarolJ Feb 3, 2020 • 9:19:56pm

re: #300 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not surprising. In a situation where there’s an incumbent President, the only people motivated to come to something like this are the party very faithful and the reason would be to mostly select delegates and conduct other party business on the side.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Feb 3, 2020 • 9:20:09pm

re: #295 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Phone systems never fail in the north central states in winter. That’s just crazy talk, it must be a conspiracy. /s

(My town’s phones were out most of yesterday.)

if you say so, but you guys in these north central states must be having a very different experience of technology in the 21st century than we are out here in norcal

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 9:20:48pm

re: #296 Sherlock Hound

People running shows for ad dollars are very disappointed in the Iowa Show.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:21:01pm

re: #307 mmmirele

Did she watch it? Was it any good?

We both watched it and thought it was pretty good. That said, we’re not going to sign up for CBS all-access. If we signed up for each streaming service that had one good show on it, we’d owe more money than Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:22:32pm

re: #309 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if you say so, but you guys in these north central states must be having a very different experience of technology in the 21st century than we are out here in norcal

I dunno about Iowa but here in Va, we’ve tried making broadband expansion in rural areas an issue. Sounds like a modern version of the Clayian Internal Improvements. Don’t know about cell phone access connectivity tho.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:23:12pm

re: #309 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if you say so, but you guys in these north central states must be having a very different experience of technology in the 21st century than we are out here in norcal

We do. Most of my area is not covered with cell service. Internet service costs a fantastic amount of money for poor service.

Because most touch-tone telephones require electricity to run, there’s a reason most everyone in town has a dial telephone on at least one inside line. (We only have one line.)

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 9:23:24pm

Remember, for TV news, elections are show business.

— Dan Gillmor (@dangillmor) February 4, 2020

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:26:00pm

German media is reporting that Huawei — the leading maker of telecoms network equipment — is working with Chinese intelligence agencies. https://t.co/70NpEkoWTs

— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) February 3, 2020

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 9:26:17pm

Mayor Pete declaring victory, and why not?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Feb 3, 2020 • 9:26:55pm

re: #312 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

re: #313 Anymouse 🌹🎃

geez, i had no idea

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Mattand Feb 3, 2020 • 9:27:53pm

re: #307 mmmirele

Did she watch it? Was it any good?

Saw it Friday on the free YouTube stream. I thought it was fantastic. One of the best looking TV shows I’ve ever seen, let alone a Star Trek episode.

re: #311 Anymouse 🌹🎃

We both watched it and thought it was pretty good. That said, we’re not going to sign up for CBS all-access. If we signed up for each streaming service that had one good show on it, we’d owe more money than Trump.

During Xmas week, I binged both Watchmen and Westworld Season 2 with a free HBO week via Amazon Prime. A week later, we binged The Mandalorian with the free week for Disney+.

Sticking with the theme, we’re going to wait until all of Picard is released and probably binge that with the free week.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:28:04pm

Holy invasion of privacy Batman.

For those who are asking: This is an actual card that was included in the inside of a shoebox. I bought the shoes months ago, but have never worn them. Now they’re about to become my next project. https://t.co/FdNJZiRaXj https://t.co/BRWTFyg0Ac

— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) February 2, 2020

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gocart mozart Feb 3, 2020 • 9:28:52pm

What we learned tonight is that the Warren campaign is persistent, smart, hardworking, disciplined, and resilient—and Elizabeth is inspiring a movement of people to lay it all on the line and give it all they have. And we’re in it for the long haul. See you in New Hampshire.

— 🕷Dante Atkins🕷 (@DanteAtkins) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:30:12pm

re: #317 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

geez, i had no idea

It’s good for me where I am but I used to write a small business newsletter that my attorney did pro bono when I was a paralegal. I had to look up legislation that impacted small businesses. One of em was rural broadband expansion.

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 9:32:36pm

re: #319 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I wouldn’t come within 10cm of those.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:32:53pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 9:33:38pm

re: #314 jaunte

That became true a while back, but even more so now. And the networks do this because… it bring ratings. People want drama, hence “reality TV” being more made up than real (because real life more often than not is boring.)

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unproven innocence Feb 3, 2020 • 9:35:02pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Interestingly, last night my wife was watching a YouTube video, and CBS put up an advert, which was the entire first episode of Star Trek: Picard. (I guess the idea is to pique interest in signing up for their streaming service.)

I watched it last month. Awsome.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:35:28pm

re: #324 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

That became true a while back, but even more so now. And the networks do this because… it bring ratings. People want drama, hence “reality TV” being more made up than real (because real life more often than not is boring.)

The reality tving of the presidency happened.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 9:35:32pm

Caucuses are party functions, not state functions. So the Iowa SoS doesn’t have to do anything, hence no costs incurred to the state of Iowa.

Moving to a primary that is run by the SoS means the parties have to pay… or it would be legislated from the treasury by the Iowa legislature.

Anyway, I do wish all the states would move to (closed) primaries.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 9:35:41pm

re: #319 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Holy invasion of privacy Batman.

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It seems the company has been doing this in part to combat counterfeits. It’s also get a short range, about 4 inches. And, given the way my work badge acts, that will degrade pretty quickly.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 9:36:43pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹🎃

After the first two episodes, I much more like ST:Picard than ST:Discovery. Patrick Stewart is still the best ST actor.

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 9:37:58pm

All I care about is that Dems come together once a candidate is selected. I have my favorites, three that might get my vote, based on where things are when the Texas Primary rolls around. One dem I don’t care for. But any - ANY - would be light years better than the alternative.

— Slight Clutter (@slightclutter) February 4, 2020

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:38:36pm

Berniebots spreading this all over Facebook…

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 9:39:59pm

The photo is commentary on the claim, right? https://t.co/MAEITP9AuP

— Schooley (@Rschooley) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:40:50pm

re: #331 Joe Bacon 🌹

Berniebots spreading this all over Facebook…

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It’s always a conspiracy with these fools. Makes sense given Vlad’s divide and conquer game.

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 9:41:38pm

Every. Single. Fucking. Election.

1. Hand counted
2. Paper ballots
3. Records preserved
4. Absolutely nothing posted until a second count is complete.

Do I have to do ALL of this for you?

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) February 4, 2020

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 9:42:51pm

An adviser for one of the Dem campaigns tells me this is going to be the end of the Iowa caucus. “It’s dead. The campaigns gave them millions of dollars. It’s dead.”

— Hunter Walker (@hunterw) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:43:09pm

re: #332 jaunte

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Yeah because the 2000 election never happened. But oh no we don’t immediately know the results of the Iowa Caucus- a state whose demographics don’t reflect our party let alone nation as a whole is somehow the worst thing ever. I really don’t know what the fuck happened to this country in 2016 but I want to wake up.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 9:43:36pm

My 11 year just nearly had a heart attack when he saw the exit polls in Iowa saying health care was the number one issue.

“Not climate change?” he moans. “It’s like the the house is on fire and all people care about is doing renovations.”

— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:43:44pm

re: #335 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Good. It’s undemocratic and backwards.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 9:44:29pm

Every. Single. Fucking. Election.

1. Hand counted
2. Paper ballots
3. Records preserved
4. Absolutely nothing posted until a second count is complete.

Do I have to do ALL of this for you?

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:44:50pm

re: #337 Belafon

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We say we want immediate health care reform and then we get scared by ads. See 1994 and 2010.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:45:34pm

New: VoteVets is putting $3.3 million into the Texas Senate primary to boost MJ Hegar.

Ad starts running tomorrow, will be on air for two weeks: https://t.co/mT4FEPCfrw

— James Arkin (@JamesArkin) February 3, 2020

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:47:04pm

re: #340 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We say we want immediate health care reform and then we get scared by ads. See 1994 and 2010.

If you are elderly, or you have no health insurance, health care becomes a more immediate concern than climate action.

You can’t fight for climate action if you’re dead.

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 9:47:13pm

re: #340 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We say we want immediate health care reform and then we get scared by ads. See 1994 and 2010.

There will be no M4A. It will take a miracle to get a public option. Most likely is either tweaks to ACA if Democrats control Senate, or nothing at all.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:47:23pm

re: #341 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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This is why we didn’t need to force Beto to run again. Hegar is a great candidate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 3, 2020 • 9:48:24pm

re: #329 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

After the first two episodes, I much more like ST:Picard than ST:Discovery. Patrick Stewart is still the best ST actor.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:49:18pm

The median age in Iowa is 38 years of age. The gender ratio is approximately 50.3% female and 49.7% male.
In religious terms, Iowa shows its general preferences with 77% Christian based faith, 1% non-Christian based faiths, and 21% of the population identifying as non-affiliated with any religion.

worldpopulationreview.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:49:22pm

re: #343 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There will be no M4A. It will take a miracle to get a public option. Most likely is either tweaks to ACA if Democrats control Senate, or nothing at all.

Exactly. I’m sorry it’s like we completely forget how ACA was a fight even with more optimal Congressional conditions. I really wish the super idealistic on health care would get this.

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 9:49:57pm

Ia Dem Party hung up on a conference call with campaigns which got “heated” according to MSNBC.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:50:40pm

re: #348 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Ia Dem Party hung up on a conference call with campaigns which got “heated” according to MSNBC.

God what a disaster.

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danarchy Feb 3, 2020 • 9:50:41pm

re: #337 Belafon

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All due respect to his 11 year old, worrying about untreated diabetes may be slighlty more pressing to an individual than what may happen decades down the line.

Not that they aren’t both important, but you gotta triage.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 9:52:20pm

Folks who are claiming anything may be rigged sound like Trump. Exactly like him. It’s pathetic.

— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:52:51pm

re: #342 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If you are elderly, or you have no health insurance, health care becomes a more immediate concern than climate action.

You can’t fight for climate action if you’re dead.

I’m talking about expecting us to completely overhaul our health care system with a divided Congress is a recipe to get us nothing at all. I remember vividly how ACA was portrayed. Btw fighting for climate action also is a health issue.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 9:53:53pm

re: #351 Belafon

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The Twitter universe is nuts.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 9:54:28pm

re: #350 danarchy

All due respect to his 11 year old, worrying about untreated diabetes may be slighlty more pressing to an individual than what may happen decades down the line.

Not that they aren’t both important, but you gotta triage.

And I’m sure the point is the individual versus life on the planet as a whole.

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NO SMOCKING GUN! Feb 3, 2020 • 9:54:39pm

MSNBC reporting app was released only a couple of days ago. No testing; didn’t work.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 9:55:01pm

re: #345 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I didn’t say Picard was the best character in all of ST. I find the character a bit … not really that interesting. But Stewart is very good at bringing real dramatic acting to the screen, unlike so many in the ST pantheon of actors.

In regards to characters, I think the most interesting is Spock. Data is also engaging as a character.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 9:57:21pm

re: #351 Belafon

Just remember which campaign asked for reporting of three sets of data.

— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) February 4, 2020

Did the Sanders campaign ask for it? Or was it one of the others?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 9:57:59pm

re: #350 danarchy

All due respect to his 11 year old, worrying about untreated diabetes may be slighlty more pressing to an individual than what may happen decades down the line.

Not that they aren’t both important, but you gotta triage.

And if he had some sort of health disaster, he can’t care for his eleven year-old.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 9:59:56pm

.@edokeefe points out that the delay in #IowaCaucuses results comes from new rules that were intended to add more transparency after the 2016 race: “What is happening tonight is exactly what Bernie Sanders asked for” https://t.co/lBuezAqMlD pic.twitter.com/C6IgmCpOeB

— CBS News (@CBSNews) February 4, 2020

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uriel Feb 3, 2020 • 10:00:10pm

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’ve come round on Twitter to a different position than “boycott it.” (I still won’t go on Twitter myself.)

It seems unlikely it’s going to go away any time soon, so a more pragmatic approach would be to pressure Twitter to enforce its own terms of service, and impose regulations on social media companies’ use of data at the federal level.

I was wondering about that. ;)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 10:01:14pm

re: #358 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And if he had some sort of health disaster, he can’t care for his eleven year-old.

God all the Senator is saying is people should care more about this issue. Given the rise in natural disasters and climate change’s collective change on all of us. It would be nice if we valued it especially since last I saw withdrawal from Paris was a mistake. He didn’t say we shouldn’t value better health care.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 10:01:48pm

re: #359 Belafon

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Yep and the jackals still push conspiracy theories.

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danarchy Feb 3, 2020 • 10:01:50pm

OT - how many damn awards shows does the entertainment industry need. Golden Globes, SAG, BAFTA, Oscars, Emmy’s, People’s Choice…

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 10:02:09pm

I did not know Iowa was lobbying to run the nation’s healthcare system and I’m certainly not gonna put faith in the words of a guy who helped Russians rig the last presidential election for Trump. https://t.co/NwIipmCmHS

— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) February 4, 2020

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 10:02:51pm

re: #363 danarchy

Think of all the stars who participate for free.

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 10:03:28pm

Almost as cheap to produce as reality tv.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 10:04:38pm

I have several questions about this and all of them are “what the fuck” https://t.co/63VyRfUMif

— 🅹 and 420 others (@0xKruzr) February 4, 2020

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 10:04:42pm

re: #361 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

God all the Senator is saying is people should care more about this issue. Given the rise in natural disasters and climate change’s collective change on all of us. It would be nice if we valued it especially since last I saw withdrawal from Paris was a mistake. He didn’t say we shouldn’t value better health care.

We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 10:06:07pm

re: #367 Belafon

Is there chocolate in there, or is that a way for him to hide booze?

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jaunte Feb 3, 2020 • 10:06:52pm

re: #367 Belafon

That’s a bourbon face.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 10:07:04pm

re: #368 Anymouse 🌹🎃

We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

You’re talking about a child’s reaction to the lack of interest in what he sees as the most important issue of the day. Of course, we can do both. I’m saying I get Sen Murphy’s son frustration on this issue because this is an issue that we need to do better on.

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danarchy Feb 3, 2020 • 10:08:32pm

re: #369 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Is there chocolate in there, or is that a way for him to hide booze?

Aren’t there more inconspicuous ways to hide your alcohol?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 10:14:30pm

re: #359 Belafon

Tons of Bernie fans on that CBS tweet calling CBS liars.

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Ace-o-aces Feb 3, 2020 • 10:14:47pm

Democrats 2020: pic.twitter.com/ILzwKlagLc

— ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) February 4, 2020

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Feb 3, 2020 • 10:14:58pm

curiously, the cock-up worked dramatically in the democratic party’s favor, since it allowed all the candidates to look good - nobody had to eat shit and everybody could give a victory speech

also, it’s added a lot of drama to the whole thing that has grabbed everybody’s attention

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 10:16:25pm

re: #373 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Tons of Bernie fans on that CBS tweet calling CBS liars.

They’re going to look really stupid if Bernie ends up winning or in second place but they need their perpetual victim complex.

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danarchy Feb 3, 2020 • 10:18:22pm

re: #375 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

curiously, the cock-up worked dramatically in the democratic party’s favor, since it allowed all the candidates to look good - nobody had to eat shit and everybody could give a victory speech

also, it’s added a lot of drama to the whole thing that has grabbed everybody’s attention

I listened to several of them and most of them were hedging, but Buttigieg basically declared victory. It was a pretty bold speech and if he doesn’t come in near the top, he is gonna look like an idiot.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 10:20:53pm

re: #371 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You’re talking about a child’s reaction to the lack of interest in what he sees as the most important issue of the day. Of course, we can do both. I’m saying I get Sen Murphy’s son frustration on this issue because this is an issue that we need to do better on.

And for an eleven year old who’s paying that much attention, climate change is his health care issue.

Grammar fix.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 10:22:11pm

wtkr.com

58-year-old Rodney Dean Luffman was arrested in North Carolina and charged with 115
felony sex counts. (80 for “indecent liberties” and 35 for “sexual offenses.) His victims range from the ages of 4 to 16. The criminal acts had allegedly occurred for a span of 15 years, between 2000 and 2015. He is a Christian pastor at Open Arms Outreach Ministries, a “Sin Condemning” church that believes in church/state separation.

(When he refers to church/state separation, he’s of the opinion secular police should not be able to investigate churches for crimes.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 10:22:52pm

re: #378 Belafon

And for an eleven year old whose paying that much attention, climate change is his health care issue.

Yep. That the kid is engaged is a good thing. I certainly wasn’t. Granted a Senator wasn’t my Dad but this is an issue for that generation.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 10:23:57pm

re: #373 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Tons of Bernie fans on that CBS tweet calling CBS liars.

This looks exactly like trying to make changes to poorly maintained source code. Just because you might think you have a fix, doesn’t mean it will work. You might just introduce more bugs, or expose more problems that exist but weren’t being used.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 10:29:04pm

WATCH: @ewarren surrogate @JulianCastro calls the caucus result delay “a complete mess,” says, “This simply is not the way we should do this.” Castro has argued for months that Iowa shouldn’t come first pic.twitter.com/eyUDAoktj3

— Zak Hudak (@cbszak) February 4, 2020

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PrairieQueen Feb 3, 2020 • 10:30:24pm

Bernie has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. On his best day this guy wouldn’t win an arm wrestling contest with Mr.Burns from the Simpsons, and he’s the crazy uncle to boot. I wish to hell he’d drop out and stop splitting the momentum of the Democratic party in general, but he’s too gd nuts to do that.

In the short round Bernie still comes in #2, and #2 doesn’t win.

This is all so disheartening.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 10:34:04pm

re: #383 PrairieQueen

Well, as one wag posted to Leah McElrath’s Twitter feed:

Democracy for the Democrats is messy. The Russian version of the RNC was very neat and tidy. I prefer the mess.

— Brooksie (@Brooksie458) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 10:34:05pm

re: #383 PrairieQueen

Bernie has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. On his best day this guy wouldn’t win an arm wrestling contest with Mr.Burns from the Simpsons, and he’s the crazy uncle to boot. I wish to hell he’d drop out and stop splitting the momentum of the Democratic party in general, but he’s too gd nuts to do that.

In the short round Bernie still comes in #2, and #2 doesn’t win.

This is all so disheartening.

He graduated from high school in the Eisenhower years yet his guys are the first to Ok Boomer you. I do not like the idea of a 80 year old President elect with no ties to established executive branches and who surrounds himself with people who worship him.

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Belafon Feb 3, 2020 • 10:37:12pm

Talk about swinging:

Is there a message you want me to give your mother when I get there? https://t.co/YFe9z3toJ6

— Bishop Talbert Swan (@TalbertSwan) February 4, 2020

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Feb 3, 2020 • 10:37:21pm

I’m going to log out; I have a migraine which feels like I have an awl in my left temple, my left eye’s sight is dimmed to near zero, and my inner left ear hurts like the devil.

(This is normal for me, there is nothing to worry about.)

I’ll catch y’all later; thanks for putting up with me.

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Dr Lizardo Feb 3, 2020 • 10:39:21pm

re: #385 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He graduated from high school in the Eisenhower years yet his guys are the first to Ok Boomer you. I do not like the idea of a 80 year old President elect with no ties to established executive branches and who surrounds himself with people who worship him.

It’s a personality cult, much like the personality cult that surrounds Trump. Nonetheless, if Bernie does indeed end up being the Democratic nominee by some fluke of history, I will hold my nose and vote for him.

And if he does end up as the Democratic party nominee, he definitely needs to find a considerably younger VP nominee - given the fact that he’s an octogenarian and the issues that go along with that (no offense to any octogenarians here).

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Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 10:40:40pm

I never thought I would see what a mermaid vagina might look like, but here we are. https://t.co/2UVllN94cq @newscomauHQ

— Wenlei Ma (@WenleiMa) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 10:41:32pm

re: #388 Dr Lizardo

It’s personality cult, much like the personality cult that surrounds Trump. Nonetheless, if Bernie does indeed end up being the Democratic nominee by some fluke of history, I will hold my nose and vote for him.

And if he does end up as the Democratic party nominee, he definitely needs to find a considerably younger VP nominee - given the fact that he’s an octogenarian and the issues that along with that (no offense to any octogenarians here).

He definitely does and he shouldn’t be afraid to listen to the establishment people. If he’s the nominee and president, it’s going to be a huge leap for him. He’s going to have to bring a lot of people together.

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Dr Lizardo Feb 3, 2020 • 10:43:23pm

re: #389 Dread Pirate

I’ve seen that film, and yes, it’s creepy and occasionally genuinely disturbing; it’s also a masterclass in acting from Dafoe and Pattinson - and I must say, I honestly didn’t know that Pattinson had the acting chops that he does….I was impressed with his performance.

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Dr Lizardo Feb 3, 2020 • 10:48:06pm

re: #390 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He definitely does and he shouldn’t be afraid to listen to the establishment people. If he’s the nominee and president, it’s going to be a huge leap for him. He’s going to have to bring a lot of people together.

He’s always positioned himself as an “outsider” or “anti-establishment”, which is more than a little ironic considering he’s been in the Congress (as both representative and senator) since 1991.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 10:49:08pm

pic.twitter.com/13QB6SCLKX

— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) February 4, 2020

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Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 10:52:18pm

Can’t help farting? Well, better try harder, because infrared temperature sensors recently installed in airports and train stations to monitor temperatures of passengers amid #coronavirus outbreak can screen them all pic.twitter.com/70ncE1HqYr

— Global Times (@globaltimesnews) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 10:52:22pm

re: #392 Dr Lizardo

He’s always positioned himself as an “outsider” or “anti-establishment”, which is more than a little ironic considering he’s been in the Congress (as both representative and senator) since 1991.

Backbenchers like him and Ron Paul aren’t leaders. I have no idea why so many young people for fall for these types. I can find myself agreeing with a lot of what Bernie says but questioning how effective he’d be.

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Dr Lizardo Feb 3, 2020 • 10:57:47pm

re: #395 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Backbenchers like him and Ron Paul aren’t leaders. I have no idea why so many young people for fall for these types. I can find myself agreeing with a lot of what Bernie says but questioning how effective he’d be.

I’m in the same boat - there’s a lot of things Bernie says that I agree with, and I will say, he’s certainly spry for his age (he somehow looks younger than Trump, LOL) but like you, I question his effectiveness if he were to become President.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 11:01:42pm

re: #396 Dr Lizardo

I’m in the same boat - there’s a lot of things Bernie says that I agree with, and I will say, he’s certainly spry for his age (he somehow looks younger than Trump, LOL) but like you, I question his effectiveness if he were to become President.

Yeah. I just don’t see how he’s going to work with Congress. Now he could do some things via EO but we’re already worried about too powerful executives. I just wish people saw that just because you have a nice voting record doesn’t make you presidential.

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GlutenFreeJesus Feb 3, 2020 • 11:02:47pm

More “rigged” conspiracies for Bernie and his supporters to latch on to. Great. Just great.

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Dr Lizardo Feb 3, 2020 • 11:05:23pm

re: #397 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah. I just don’t see how he’s going to work with Congress. Now he could do some things via EO but we’re already worried about too powerful executives. I just wish people saw that just because you have a nice voting record doesn’t make you presidential.

If Sanders was working with a Democratic-held House and Senate, granted, he could probably get some things done…..but it most certainly wouldn’t be some kind of cakewalk like the BernieBros think. And yes, there are some things he could accomplish with Executive Orders, but the problem there is that EO’s can be all too easily undone. Legislation is how you accomplish meaningful change, not by issuing endless EO’s.

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Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 11:05:31pm

Scientists have long known that higher air temperatures are contributing to surface melting on Greenland’s ice sheet.

But a new study has found another threat: Warm ocean water moving underneath the vast glaciers is causing them to melt even more quickly. https://t.co/3nMXGlMISM

— CNN (@CNN) February 4, 2020

Those aren’t glaciers, they’re ice shelfs. CNN is going for the demographic of, and getting as stupid as, fox news.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 11:05:46pm

Listen, caucuses made a lot more sense when they were putting lead in the gasoline

— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 3, 2020 • 11:10:33pm

re: #399 Dr Lizardo

If Sanders was working with a Democratic-held House and Senate, granted, he could probably get some things done…..but it most certainly wouldn’t be some kind of cakewalk like the BernieBros think. And yes, there are some things he could accomplish with Executive Orders, but the problem there is that EO’s can be all too easily undone. Legislation is how you accomplish meaningful change, not by issuing endless EO’s.

Exactly but telling that to the Bros is like talking to a wall. I like some of what Bernie offers. I find the country’s ignorance about the difference between Marxism and Leninism frustrating but acting like Bernie is a savior isn’t helpful to their cause or Bernie himself.

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Dread Pirate Feb 3, 2020 • 11:16:41pm

Curious about full-spectrum vs. broad-spectrum vs. isolates, and the benefits of each? We break it down: https://t.co/RnocuN4y0r

— Leafly (@Leafly) January 31, 2020

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CleverToad Feb 3, 2020 • 11:17:05pm

re: #350 danarchy

All due respect to his 11 year old, worrying about untreated diabetes may be slighlty more pressing to an individual than what may happen decades down the line.

Not that they aren’t both important, but you gotta triage.

Both are important, and yes, a vulnerable individual in need of affordable care is likely to rank that as their first concern. But with respect due to all of our 11-year-olds, can we stop saying “decades down the line” in any discussion of climate change? It’s flipping here and very much now, and just as pressing.

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Dr Lizardo Feb 3, 2020 • 11:23:13pm

So, poking around the Internet and I see they’re thinking about a fifth Indiana Jones film - I wonder what they’re gonna call it.

Indiana Jones and the Kids Who Won’t Stay Off My Goddamn Lawn?

After the cinematic embarrassment that was Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I think it’s time to retire the Indiana Jones franchise once and for all (and they should’ve let it go after Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, which served as a nice way to wrap up the series, ending on a high note).

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goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 11:31:04pm

If Iowa was conscious right now it would want us to go on and save ourselves

— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) February 4, 2020

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Ace-o-aces Feb 3, 2020 • 11:39:54pm

Tomorrow’s plot twist “Hillary Clinton is reported the winner of the Iowa caucus.”

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) February 4, 2020

Same Energy pic.twitter.com/CJ9STcPCFf

— ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) February 4, 2020

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 3, 2020 • 11:42:41pm

re: #405 Dr Lizardo

They’ll remake the Indiana Jones movies… but with a new actor.

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Dr Lizardo Feb 3, 2020 • 11:45:59pm

re: #408 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

They’ll remake the Indiana Jones movies… but with a new actor.

From what I read, the idea is that Harrison Ford will return as Indy. It’s not a reboot, apparently.

Harrison Ford is 77 years old.

Hollywood producer Kathleen Kennedy received the BAFTA Fellowship Award, the ceremony’s version of a lifetime achievement award, during the 73rd British Academy Film Awards yesterday in London. During an interview with BBC, Kennedy, who co-founded Amblin Entertainment with Steven Spielberg and Frank Marshall and has been the president of Lucasfilm since 2012, spoke about the current status of the upcoming Indiana Jones project, confirming that Indiana Jones 5 will be a continuation of the story.

“We’re working away, getting the script where we want it to be and then we’ll be ready to go,” Kathleen said of the Indiana Jones film. “Harrison Ford will be involved… It’s not a reboot. It’s a continuation.” Kennedy added that Ford “can’t wait” to get started on the movie.

comingsoon.net

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PrairieQueen Feb 3, 2020 • 11:47:04pm

re: #402 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Anything that smells like a socialism is going to be a deal-killer for the non GOP nominee. Even if that’s where they ultimately come from, endless talk of how government programs can be funded will be very easily turned into ammunition from the GOP. That’s one of Warren’s biggest pitfalls - she doesn’t ‘get’ what a turnoff this is to scores of Fox News watchers, The Olds, and working people paying bills. It doesn’t convert those voters, isn’t going to - it only re-affirms their belief that Dems are going to cost them money. And the weird thing is, even though the effect this kind of idealistic free money thing is obvious, it’s like the Dems are so compulsive they can’t shut up about it; they can’t stop unselling themselves. If they honestly felt they were the best thing for the country, they’d take heed and repackage their bullshit.

Bernie’s too old and crazy, Uncle Joe needs some kind of protective barrier to keep his foot out of his mouth, and Warren needs a makeover to look and sound more appealing. As they are, I don’t think any of them is a #1.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 3, 2020 • 11:54:06pm

I’m fine with that. How about they learn to vote like the rest of the civilized world? What is this Summer Camp popularity contest nonsense? https://t.co/AjMELuT2IK

— Hal Sparks (@HalSparks) February 4, 2020

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Dread Pirate Feb 4, 2020 • 12:00:40am

CNN - Iowa Democratic vote-reporting meltdown hands opening to Trump

The Democratic 2020 crusade to oust President Donald Trump could not have got off to a more disastrous and embarrassing start.
The party couldn’t even deliver a first-in-the-nation election night winner after a vote-reporting debacle in Iowa — where candidates spent months and millions of dollars vying for a glittering opening prize in their nominating duel.
“Iowa, you have ~~shocked the nation~~ failed this city,” said ~~former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg~~ Oliver Queen, the Arrow.

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fern01 Feb 4, 2020 • 12:06:42am

re: #331 Joe Bacon 🌹

Berniebots spreading this all over Facebook…

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Will they never stop - he will not be the nominee - so will they allow trump to win again?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel Feb 4, 2020 • 12:14:40am

Mercenary ‘Mad Mike’ Hoare dies aged 100
An interesting and complex story, “Mad Mike’s” fearsome international reputation was largely a result of backfiring communist propaganda. He was a South African accountant and war veteran who was hired by his friend, Congolese prime minister Moise Tshombe, to organize a group of contract soldiers to suppress the so-called Simba rebellion in 1964. Hoare had been only peripherally involved with the much larger, and more controversial, mercenary operations during Tshombe’s earlier adventure as leader of the secessionist Katanga province in 1960-61. Hoare’s organization, dubbed 5 Commando of the Congolese National Army, was notably successful, partly because his accounting and business skills allowed him to keep a tight lid on costs and personnel selection. East German radio, which noisily supported the Simbas despite their lack of correct communist discipline, dubbed him “that mad bloodhound, Hoare,” a label which delighted Hoare and eventually became famous as “Mad Mike.”
His career ended in embarrassment in 1981, when he and his men failed in an attempt to overthrow the government of the Seychelles and escaped to South Africa by hijacking an Air India plane. They were charged with the hijacking, though not the coup, and sent to prison, with Hoare himself serving 33 months.

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Chrysicat Feb 4, 2020 • 12:33:40am

re: #215 Interesting Times

Same:

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Because we are stupid. They should not be a thing. Not having all country at once is actually smart: allows candidates to spend money measuredly. A national campaign would make it impossible for anyone but Billionaires (which is already almost the case).

— OmarAlexis (@OmarAlexis) February 4, 2020

Along with, quite possibly, a mandate to television that it must carry candidate promotional material, and without charging for it. They’re p.sure their system is best, even though the leadership positions are basically still “smoke-filled room”-chosen.

— (((Chrysi Cat))) [no, Karen is STILL my sister!] (@chrysicat) February 4, 2020

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Ace-o-aces Feb 4, 2020 • 12:46:08am

From Rush Limbaugh’s 2/22/13 show. pic.twitter.com/by8bNZGEuN

— ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) February 4, 2020

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goddamnedfrank Feb 4, 2020 • 12:48:36am

LOL

joe rogan is gwyneth paltrow for men?

— Sara “Bo” Schaefer (@saraschaefer1) February 3, 2020

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Dr Lizardo Feb 4, 2020 • 12:54:30am

re: #416 Ace-o-aces

That contradicts what I’ve read elsewhere, that Rush didn’t quite smoking ciggies until only about a decade or so ago. He still smokes cigars, and like Hannity, I think he uses an e-cigarette.

I read that he announced he has “advanced lung cancer”. Personally, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even an SOB like him. But I do wonder what he means by “advanced”…..are we talking Stage III or Stage IV lung cancer?

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Ace-o-aces Feb 4, 2020 • 12:57:05am

re: #418 Dr Lizardo

That contradicts what I’ve read elsewhere, that Rush didn’t quite smoking ciggies until only about a decade or so ago. He still smokes cigars, and like Hannity, I think he uses an e-cigarette.

I read that he announced he has “advanced lung cancer”. Personally, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even an SOB like him. But I do wonder what he means by “advanced”…..are we talking Stage III or Stage IV lung cancer?

Now I don’t want anybody to think I’m glad Rush is suffering. Nobody deserves a slow, agonizing death from cancer. I sincerely hope his death is swift and painless.

— ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) February 4, 2020

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Dr Lizardo Feb 4, 2020 • 1:06:33am

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Dr Lizardo Feb 4, 2020 • 1:08:10am

re: #419 Ace-o-aces

Of Rush, I will say this - I’m confident that even if I truly dedicated myself to the cause of making America a worse place to live, I wouldn’t be able to live up to Rush Limbaugh’s example.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 4, 2020 • 1:12:11am

Joke all you want about Iowa but the terrifying truth is this, never before has The Corn been this enraged

— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) February 4, 2020

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Ace-o-aces Feb 4, 2020 • 1:15:21am

Ah, I see that the @GOP’s turn to fascism has entered the “purging of those deemed disloyal to the leader” phase. https://t.co/af4EmUFXYS

— ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) February 4, 2020

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Targetpractice Feb 4, 2020 • 1:46:20am

re: #422 goddamnedfrank

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I think even He Who Walks Behind The Rows is embarrassed by this trainwreck.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Feb 4, 2020 • 2:01:11am

Grieg - Piano Concerto Op.16 + Presentation (reference recording : Emil Gilels / Eugen Jochum)

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Dr Lizardo Feb 4, 2020 • 2:30:31am

“The Law of Unintended Consequences”, Chapter 15,435,261:

The U.K.’s worst productivity slump in a quarter of a millennium may be caused by a “perfect storm” of three factors, according to a study to be published this week.

Productivity was almost 20% below its pre-2008 path in 2018 — the worst slowdown since 1760-1800, as the Industrial Revolution took hold. The present-day malaise may have been caused by the end of the information and communications technology boom, the financial crisis, and Brexit.

It’s a “shockingly bad” performance, said Nicholas Crafts, who co-authored the paper with Terence Mills, researchers at the University of Sussex and Loughborough University. The findings will published by the National Institute Economic Review on Feb. 6.

msn.com

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Chrysicat Feb 4, 2020 • 2:50:03am

Nonsense. Trump is vile and vulgar but the damage he’s doing to the world is roughly the same order of awfulness as Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, or Reagan.

— Tom Swiss, royal jester to the court of Norton I (@tom_swiss) February 4, 2020

Basically, the choices if you don’t want to return to pure hunter-gatherer tribes are democracy and authoritarianism, not least because a non-primitivist anarchy will always be taken over by an authoritarian in a couple generations at most.

— (((Chrysi Cat))) [no, Karen is STILL my sister!] (@chrysicat) February 4, 2020

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BigPapa Feb 4, 2020 • 3:13:07am

Iowa raucus with conspiracies. It’s apparent that people prone to the cult of personality are also prone to conspiracy hive mind.

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Dr Lizardo Feb 4, 2020 • 3:28:58am

re: #428 BigPapa

Iowa raucus with conspiracies. It’s apparent that people prone to the cult of personality are also prone to conspiracy hive mind.

We’re all living in the Age of Conspiracies now. A profound level of irrationality has seized the minds of tens of millions of Americans (and it’s not just an American thing either - it’s worldwide) and it’s spreading like a virus of the mind.

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Patricia Kayden Feb 4, 2020 • 3:42:14am

re: #427 Chrysicat

I wouldn’t waste time communicating with someone who can’t differentiate between Trump and President Obama. But good for you for trying.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 4:04:08am

there is no ‘rigging’.

so they are taking longer to announce results than people want.
you want it fast or you want it right?

results should be announced once. at the end. when all the numbers are tallied and verified. whether it’s statewide or national

precinct by precinct (or state by state) reporting to/by the press is meaningless, and terribly misleading. because there is no standardized sequence to who reports when, intermediate horse race numbers are pointless.

the only numbers that matter are the final totals.

this nonsense is purposely disingenuous

Without evidence, top Trump campaign officials — including sons @EricTrump & @DonaldJTrumpJr — are sowing distrust in the democratic process, suggesting the Democratic Iowa caucuses are “rigged.” pic.twitter.com/AlpFJTZYxw

— Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) February 4, 2020

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Shropshire Slasher Feb 4, 2020 • 4:14:28am

I’m going on a limb here, Boaty Mcboatface won the caucus.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 4, 2020 • 4:35:58am

Berniebots saying their own count has him at 28 and Mayor Pete at 25 Warren at 18 and Biden at 15. Hmmm wonder how many Berniebots inflated their figures.

And the #1 Berniebot who keeps following me is saying that Mayor Pete’s team came up with the software.

Now watch the Berniebots go into total burndown mode if the IDP releases different counts.

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Weaselone Feb 4, 2020 • 4:44:00am

re: #433 Joe Bacon 🌹

Berniebots saying their own count has him at 28 and Mayor Pete at 25 Warren at 18 and Biden at 15. Hmmm wonder how many Berniebots inflated their figures.

And the #1 Berniebot who keeps following me is saying that Mayor Pete’s team came up with the software.

Now watch the Berniebots go into total burndown mode if the IDP releases different counts.

Provided they aren’t just pulling the figures out of their posteriors, I’d expect Bernie’s number to be a bit inflated by some of the Bernie people reporting that they were viable in places they’d narrowly fallen short because ego and they totally should have been awarded that delegate and would have too if not for ~~those meddling kids and their dog~~ the corrupt Democratic establishment.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 5:04:44am

I think it’s gonna be Pete, Bernie, Warren, Biden, Klobuchar. It really isn’t going to tell too much imo. Either way, hate to see the conspiracies roll in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 4, 2020 • 5:11:24am

re: #364 jaunte

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The Democrat Caucus is an unmitigated disaster. Nothing works, just like they ran the Country. Remember the 5 Billion Dollar Obamacare Website, that should have cost 2% of that. The only person that can claim a very big victory in Iowa last night is “Trump”.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 5:13:49am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Says the guy who threw a fit when he didn’t win checks notes the Iowa Caucuses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 4, 2020 • 5:26:24am

“Ever since your father was elected president, more and more Jews are being gunned down every year,” Jewish protester interrupting Donald Trump, Jr. at press conference for administration’s white nationalist and anti-semitic rhetoric.pic.twitter.com/dsTProp14E

— Justice Democrats (@justicedems) February 3, 2020

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 4, 2020 • 5:29:40am

re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If Trump’s Pulpit Pimp Pals had their way every one of us would be rounded up and shipped to Israel so Armageddon could start…

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 4, 2020 • 5:30:41am

re: #439 Joe Bacon 🌹

If Trump’s Pulpit Pimp Pals had their way every one of us would be rounded up and shipped to Israel so Armageddon could start…

And of course that motherfather would plug his ghostwritten book.

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Barefoot Grin Feb 4, 2020 • 5:30:47am

I know who I’m voting for in NH primary, so I am checking out of twitter BS and the Bernard Sanders madness infecting it.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 5:33:30am

re: #410 PrairieQueen

We’re not appealing to Fox news watchers.

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jaunte Feb 4, 2020 • 5:52:14am

A reminder this morning that Mitch McConnell continues to block a vote on election security legislation

— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) February 4, 2020

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jaunte Feb 4, 2020 • 5:52:20am

Recall that one of the pieces of Russian propaganda that Trump embraced most openly in 2016 was that the election was rigged and that he suggested he might not concede if he lost. https://t.co/09zviANKGa

— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) February 4, 2020

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Patricia Kayden Feb 4, 2020 • 5:53:33am

re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow. That takes guts.

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jeffreyw Feb 4, 2020 • 5:55:18am

For faster service - Please take a number

Good morning!

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Barefoot Grin Feb 4, 2020 • 6:01:15am

Just got off the phone. Turns out I won Iowa!

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lawhawk Feb 4, 2020 • 6:02:33am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

In 2012 the GOP spent two weeks waiting for the caucus results from Iowa.

Caucuses suck, and you’re impeached.

Tradition is the excuse for not doing better. And in November, we are voting your corrupt admin out.

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) February 4, 2020

Thing is - caucuses do suck and there are better options.

Tradition is an excuse to do nothing different or better.

Ranked choice voting and eliminating caucuses would be a big improvement.

Consolidating primaries into a 6 week schedule with waves of primaries every 2 weeks would be a help and give states later in the race more of a say - if you balance when the states hold their primaries, you can make states like NJ have more say in who gets nominated. It would diminish the role of NH and IA, which aren’t representative of the nation at large.

You could have IA and NH announce first on primary night, but end this spectacle of going to those states to campaign endlessly for months for fewer delegates combined than NJ has.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:03:08am

re: #447 Barefoot Grin

Just got off the phone. Turns out I won Iowa!

Congratulations! On to New Hampshire.

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Barefoot Grin Feb 4, 2020 • 6:03:40am

re: #449 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Congratulations! On to New Hampshire.

I got here before any of the other candidates.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:06:09am

re: #448 lawhawk

Thing is - caucuses do suck and there are better options.

Tradition is an excuse to do nothing different or better.

Ranked choice voting and eliminating caucuses would be a big improvement.

Consolidating primaries into a 6 week schedule with waves of primaries every 2 weeks would be a help and give states later in the race more of a say - if you balance when the states hold their primaries, you can make states like NJ have more say in who gets nominated. It would diminish the role of NH and IA, which aren’t representative of the nation at large.

You could have IA and NH announce first on primary night, but end this spectacle of going to those states to campaign endlessly for months for fewer delegates combined than NJ has.

It is a state that does not represent our party or country. What I love are the Sanders fans insisting it was rigged against them. They wanted to keep the caucus system and add ranked voting. Well here we are. And honestly if the Biden showing is 4th or even 5th as being said, maybe that kinda would prove that the DNC isn’t rigging it for their “favorite.” But nah too much to ask. I’m sick of Trump interfering with our primary with his ignorant coments. He did it last time too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:06:24am

re: #450 Barefoot Grin

I got here before any of the other candidates.

Such a bold move.

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lawhawk Feb 4, 2020 • 6:08:51am

re: #450 Barefoot Grin

I got here before any of the other candidates.

I won. The best way to win is not to play. /Joshua

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lawhawk Feb 4, 2020 • 6:09:09am

I find it bizarre that some right wing know nothing propagandist can have a vote that neutralizes my own.

The courts have repeatedly struck down the kinds of poll taxes and tests Shapiro wants reinstituted.

With the right wing extremists now on the judiciary, it can happen.

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) February 4, 2020

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:10:56am

re: #444 jaunte

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Trump et al have zero information
They are just slinging poo

Recall that one of the pieces of Russian propaganda that Trump embraced most openly in 2016 was that the election was rigged and that he suggested he might not concede if he lost. https://t.co/09zviANKGa

— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) February 4, 2020

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lawhawk Feb 4, 2020 • 6:11:04am

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Heh.

That’s frickin’ hilarious and is sure to get under Trump’s thin skin.

Only thing that would have been better would have been Bloomberg ripping Trump on his golf game as well.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:11:34am

The smart campaigns here I think realize that while these delegates are important, they’re likely not to be the determining factor in Milwaukee. Just take your poker chips and move on to New Hampshire.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:12:36am

re: #456 lawhawk

Heh.

That’s frickin’ hilarious and is sure to get under Trump’s thin skin.

Only thing that would have been better would have been Bloomberg ripping Trump on his golf game as well.

Bloomberg is low on my list. However, I do respect that the guy knows how to get under Trump’s skin.

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Rightwingconspirator Feb 4, 2020 • 6:20:38am

If you believe Donald Trump is a genius and windmills cause cancer you don’t get to vote. How about that idea Ben? https://t.co/QyHx2MaPtJ

— Manksy (@TheManksy) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:23:31am

re: #459 Rightwingconspirator

Ben really is confused by democracy. I mean I get it, he’s an anti-democracy shill but still.

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jaunte Feb 4, 2020 • 6:24:27am

Wait wait wait… there’s a Press Secretary? https://t.co/s2uK4UGyJO

— Aquatic Ecologist (@H2OEcologist) February 4, 2020

The Iowa caucus process being strange is normal. This is not normal.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:27:22am

re: #461 jaunte

The Iowa caucus process being strange is normal. This is not normal.

I’d say it’s really Trump’s briefing.

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 4, 2020 • 6:34:00am

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 6:34:37am

re: #448 lawhawk

I now know that the parties pick how each state chooses, but I do know that the states decide when, which is why Iowa and New Hampshire are first, because they move the dates up. You’d have to figure out how to get around that.

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 4, 2020 • 6:35:59am

Friends don’t let friends drink and watch Fox News.

NEW at The Informant: A man in Arizona has been accused by federal authorities of threatening to kill Congressman Adam Schiff. He told investigators he made the threatening call after getting drunk and watching Fox News. https://t.co/Pw4w4UDojG

— Nick Martin (@nickmartin) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:38:43am

re: #465 The Pie Overlord!

Friends don’t let friends drink and watch Fox News.

That bothers me far more than not knowing the immediate results of the Iowa Caucuses. The fact is FNC encourages this shit by having conspiracy theories and lies about what the Democrats do or have been doing. This country and we are lucky hasn’t had a high profile political assassination in a long time but that may change if Fox keeps being the hornet’s nest and stick.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:39:31am

re: #464 Belafon

I now know that the parties pick how each state chooses, but I do know that the states decide when, which is why Iowa and New Hampshire are first, because they move the dates up. You’d have to figure out how to get around that.

Maybe Iowa and New Hampshire should just swallow their pride on this. Yeah it’s “tradition” but there are a lot of traditions we stopped doing in this country.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 4, 2020 • 6:42:24am

re: #466 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That bothers me far more than not knowing the immediate results of the Iowa Caucuses. The fact is FNC encourages this shit by having conspiracy theories and lies about what the Democrats do or have been doing. This country and we are lucky hasn’t had a high profile political assassination in a long time but that may change if Fox keeps being the hornet’s nest and stick.

Just remember that Fox got away with programming Scott Roeder to kill Dr. Tiller.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:42:34am

I dunno guys. One thing that frustrates me about this era is it’s the golden age of conspiracy theories. Nothing is true anymore. Everything is met with immediate skepticism. And skepticism on its surface really is a good thing. But when an outdated process like the Iowa Caucus combined with a new bit of technology is used, yeah you’re going to have some problems. In the end, the person who is leading after the results come in for today will just be up 1-0 going into the bottom of the first inning. It’ll be a lead but not why they win.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 6:42:52am

(Almost) Everybody is moving on:

The four needles curse this all. https://t.co/tp8tqOibTW

— Caucus Error Reporter. (@CascadianSolo) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:42:54am

re: #468 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just remember that Fox got away with programming Scott Roeder to kill Dr. Tiller.

Yeah they did. Goddamned O’Reilly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:47:01am

Seeing some people propose Illinois for the first in the nation. What do you all think of that? Can’t say I have a problem. You get a little bit of every part of the Democratic base there and it provides a healthy number of delegates.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 6:47:16am

As for anyone panicking about the caucus, not necessarily people here: the Democrats fumbled on the first drive, but it doesn’t necessarily define the game.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 4, 2020 • 6:49:45am

re: #473 Belafon

As for anyone panicking about the caucus, not necessarily people here: the Democrats fumbled on the first drive, but it doesn’t necessarily define the game.

AND note the amnesia our corporate media has about how the GOP fucked up Iowa in 2012…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:50:21am

re: #473 Belafon

As for anyone panicking about the caucus, not necessarily people here: the Democrats fumbled on the first drive, but it doesn’t necessarily define the game.

As I said, it’s allowing a run in the top of the first inning and freaking out before your team even comes to bat.

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 4, 2020 • 6:50:40am

WTAF bragging about winning while running unopposed.

The Democrat Party in Iowa really messed up, but the Republican Party did not. I had the largest re-election vote in the history of that great state, by far, beating President Obama’s previous record by a lot. Also, 97% Plus of the vote! Thank you Iowa!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 4, 2020

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Freedom Turnip Feb 4, 2020 • 6:51:09am

re: #472 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Any move away from the white rural voter to one that is more representative of the party is good.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:54:08am

re: #476 The Pie Overlord!

WTAF bragging about winning while running unopposed.

Obama got 98.9% in 2012.
en.wikipedia.org

He really always has to be the winner. Maybe he should just get a participation trophy for not shitting himself in the Oval Office knowing he had to share the responsibility of an office that Washington, Lincoln, and Obama had. I really despise what this man has done to the American presidency.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 6:56:09am

re: #477 Freedom Turnip

Any move away from the white rural voter to one that is more representative of the party is good.

Absolutely. I just want to see what the peanut gallery’s thoughts were on it. Illinois has a wide range of demographics. Hell tie it to Lincoln somehow. Have the first primary precinct announced be the one closest to where Lincoln lived in Springfield. It would be symbolic but the media seems to love the sensational aspects of the show.

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steve_davis Feb 4, 2020 • 7:04:19am

re: #199 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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LOL at the amount of displacement his ass causes when he finally tucks it into the hot tub.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:06:19am

re: #473 Belafon

As for anyone panicking about the caucus, not necessarily people here: the Democrats fumbled on the first drive, but it doesn’t necessarily define the game.

in case you all havent figured it out, i’ve been in the ‘tally’ business for 40 years (CPA).

how many times have we added, readded, and triple added columns of numbers getting three different results? How many times have we proofread a report multiple times with multiple eyes, only to find an error when rereading it next year? How many times have I counted a wrapped and bound stack of bills, only to have to count it again to get it right? (note: the wrapper is not always ‘right’)

countless times. all three.

do the results of any tally of anything change just because of the amount of time it takes to arrive at the total (ie longer)?
of course not.

is a result more accurate because it’s reported faster?
of course not. in fact, most definitely not.

can a fast result be wrong?
oh yeah

can a slow one?
yeah, though less likely.

does passing data through a computer or spreadsheet or app make it more accurate and reliable?
oh. hell. no.
yet because of the time and cost to do so, people irrationally believe and lobby that it does.

results are neither correct nor even ‘unrigged’ just because they are fast.

if the individual counts at each site are/were accurate and have been preserved, then this is merely an accumulation and reporting issue. aside from the news value of knowing right away, we’ll know when we know. time does not taint the validity.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 4, 2020 • 7:08:36am

Now Berniebots are saying that their folks reported the results in only 40% of the precincts to Bernie HQ…

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Freedom Turnip Feb 4, 2020 • 7:09:02am

Trump has repeatedly said Americans should “stand proudly” during the national anthem, and publicly chastises those who don’t as disrespectful of the troops. Well…this seems to be not standing proudly. Trump fidgets, points, pretend-conducts the band https://t.co/cxj3qIe11s

— Alyssa Milano (@Alyssa_Milano) February 3, 2020

So this video going around shows Melania covering her heart with her left hand along with the buffoonery of her husband.

Edit: image may be mirrored.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:09:32am

Man looking back on it. As bad as 2000 was, I can’t imagine how nuts the social media world would be going if that happened now. The thing is there is precedent of not knowing the results the night of an election or primary. Not just the GOP in 2012 but we’ve had numerous races here in Virginia that were so tight that it took awhile for the loser to concede and that’s been true in both parties.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:14:29am

re: #482 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now Berniebots are saying that their folks reported the results in only 40% of the precincts to Bernie HQ…

If you were declaring Bernie the winner with results only 40% in and up by 5, then this is why I’m not going to handover the keys of the car to the party to a party I’ve done volunteer work for since my teenage years to. I will note that Biden and Warren’s people IMO probably had the best response on this.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 4, 2020 • 7:15:12am

re: #483 Freedom Turnip

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So this video going around shows Melania covering her heart with her left hand along with the buffoonery of her husband.

The MAGATS will see nothing wrong with that and they’ll continue to kiss Trump’s ass because they love how he kicks colored people and queers down!

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 7:15:56am

re: #481 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Agree, and, as I’ve posted before, close races in Iowa have taken longer than spread apart ones. I was just talking about the extra amount of chaos last night seemed to have included.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 7:16:42am

re: #483 Freedom Turnip

So this video going around shows Melania covering her heart with her left hand along with the buffoonery of her husband.

I think someone is saying the video is backwards, though I haven’t watched it to be sure.

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GlutenFreeJesus Feb 4, 2020 • 7:18:08am

re: #488 Belafon

Was filmed on a mirror.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:19:22am

re: #484 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Man looking back on it. As bad as 2000 was, I can’t imagine how nuts the social media world would be going if that happened now. The thing is there is precedent of not knowing the results the night of an election or primary. Not just the GOP in 2012 but we’ve had numerous races here in Virginia that were so tight that it took awhile for the loser to concede and that’s been true in both parties.

there is absolutely no reason why the results must be known as soon as possible after polls close on the last last day/night of an election.

and recounts enforce my point above.
if a recount in fact changes the official result, then what was the point of speed if only to get it wrong?

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I Would Prefer Not To Feb 4, 2020 • 7:19:33am

re: #387 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m going to log out; I have a migraine which feels like I have an awl in my left temple, my left eye’s sight is dimmed to near zero, and my inner left ear hurts like the devil.

(This is normal for me, there is nothing to worry about.)

I’ll catch y’all later; thanks for putting up with me.

I hate to say this, but I miss you when you’re not here.

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Freedom Turnip Feb 4, 2020 • 7:20:21am

re: #489 GlutenFreeJesus

Good to know, I’ll make an edit.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:20:39am

re: #487 Belafon

Agree, and, as I’ve posted before, close races in Iowa have taken longer than spread apart ones. I was just talking about the extra amount of chaos last night seemed to have included.

absoutely
maybe we can fight about whether the baseball or football analogy is more apt //

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:22:53am

re: #493 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

absoutely
maybe we can fight about whether the baseball or football analogy is more apt //

Ha-ha, either way, Bela and I both see this for what it is, a hiccup. I really do hope we get the caucuses gone for good at the convention this year. Twas fun Iowa but move on over. There was actually a time when New York and California were swing states.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 7:23:55am

re: #493 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

absoutely
maybe we can fight about whether the baseball or football analogy is more apt //

Football, because you’re going to decide who’s the nominee with only 50-some odd games?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:24:07am

I wonder if any of those people who profess how informed they are know about the 1948 and 1916 presidential elections when the country didn’t know until the next day who had won.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:25:01am

re: #495 Belafon

Football, because you’re going to decide who’s the nominee with only 50-some odd games?

Football does work better here since baseball can and I know last forever. So yeah it’s as you said a fumble or a pick on the first drive but it’s not the end of the game.

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Dr. Matt Feb 4, 2020 • 7:25:27am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

When a politician tells you “We’re saying ‘Merry Christmas’ again”, they’re actually telling you “I think I’m talking to an idiot.”

.@EricTrump: “We’re saying ‘Merry Christmas’ again.” #IowaCaucuses #IACaucus pic.twitter.com/M8qtmhDuqG

— The Hill (@thehill) February 3, 2020

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) February 3, 2020

What fucking idiots are talking about xmas in February?

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 4, 2020 • 7:28:07am

Answer—MAGATS!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:29:26am

re: #498 Dr. Matt

What fucking idiots are talking about xmas in February?

The same idiots who do it in the summer. Daddy Trump was pulling this one in July.

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Interesting Times Feb 4, 2020 • 7:31:26am

Ha:

Turns out the Des Moines Register canning their last poll and declaring no leader was the most accurate poll of all.

— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) February 4, 2020

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sagehen Feb 4, 2020 • 7:32:02am

re: #466 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That bothers me far more than not knowing the immediate results of the Iowa Caucuses. The fact is FNC encourages this shit by having conspiracy theories and lies about what the Democrats do or have been doing. This country and we are lucky hasn’t had a high profile political assassination in a long time but that may change if Fox keeps being the hornet’s nest and stick.

Eddie Gallagher will train and supervise the assassination squads. They’ll be activated in October.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 7:32:47am

I think Kos says all the right things, such as:

2) There is no conspiracy theory that explains away the incompetence of Iowa’s Democratic Party. That’s what happens when an unelected elite thinks it deserves an unearned gift—complacency and unresponsiveness.

3) That said, Joe Biden benefits the most, given what seems to be, by all indications, a dismal night. In our world of media micro-cycles, we’ll be moving on to chattering about whether Donald Trump will mention impeachment in tonight’s State of the Union address, the New Hampshire debate, and New Hampshire’s looming primary (another unrepresentative state with an unearned pole position in the primary).

4) The biggest loser, conversely, is the person who appears to have won the night—Bernie Sanders. He loses his prime-time victory speech. Ironically, it was his campaign’s insistence that Iowa count actual votes that led to last night’s disaster, but don’t blame him—he was right. While Hillary Clinton won the delegate counts in the 2016 caucuses, chances are very good that Sanders would’ve won a count of the popular vote. And why are we recreating everything that is wrong with the Electoral College at the state level? The obvious answer was to ditch the stupid delegate counts and just declare the popular vote winner the winner, right? But the Sanders camp didn’t push that.

5) The biggest asshole of the night was small-liberal-college-town Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who gave a victory speech utterly divorced from the reality on the ground. His pretend “I won and shocked the nation” speech was everything we hate about politics—a Trumpian attempt to create reality by merely declaring it so.

6) It’s hard to see how Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar continue forward from here. Sure, there’s no reason to quit before New Hampshire, but they’ve got no juice left. They bet all on Iowa, and Iowa said, “We suck,” and that was that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:33:17am

re: #502 sagehen

Eddie Gallagher will train and supervise the assassination squads. They’ll be activated in October.

It really disturbs the hell out of me that he can go on social media and FNC and attack his former squad members. It’d be like if Nixon greenlit Lt. Calley to go after Hugh Thompson. en.wikipedia.org.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:36:17am

re: #503 Belafon

I think Kos says all the right things, such as:

Yeah I’m really not liking Pete after this. I hated when Bernie bragged about his caucus wins in whiter Republican states but then proceeding to dismiss HRC ones in more diverse southern ones. I want this to come down to Biden and Warren.

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sagehen Feb 4, 2020 • 7:38:28am

re: #472 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Seeing some people propose Illinois for the first in the nation. What do you all think of that? Can’t say I have a problem. You get a little bit of every part of the Democratic base there and it provides a healthy number of delegates.

It needs to be States small enough for unknowns to do retail politicking in the lead-up. How about Maine and New Mexico? They’re a good size for that, and have the extra benefit of being swing states whose results provide actual hints to who’d be most viable in the general.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:40:02am

re: #506 sagehen

It needs to be States small enough for unknowns to do retail politicking in the lead-up. How about Maine and New Mexico? They’re a good size for that, and have the extra benefit of being swing states whose results provide actual hints to who’d be most viable in the general.

I think you need states that are little more diverse but I’m open to that.

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 4, 2020 • 7:41:46am

If you are making allegations of corruption (rather than incompetence) at the #IowaCaucuses without any evidence, congratulations! You are being played by trolls like this one

👇👇👇👇👇👇 https://t.co/MgkEm1VO8b

— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:42:55am

re: #508 The Pie Overlord!

This whole fuck up is really Vlad’s dream but unfortunately for Vlad, Trump’s going to step on his dick during the SOTU which make Iowa literally yesterday’s news.

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Eclectic Cyborg Feb 4, 2020 • 7:43:42am

1) Why didn’t they extensively test this app before the fucking vote to make sure it worked properly?

2) Why is Iowa so damn important anyway?

3) Why do we even have caucuses?

4) Why do we have to have the popularity contest and staggered primaries anyway? Just set a campaigning deadline and let all states vote on the same fucking day.

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Eclectic Cyborg Feb 4, 2020 • 7:44:45am

re: #509 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This whole fuck up is really Vlad’s dream but unfortunately for Vlad, Trump’s going to step on his dick during the SOTU which make Iowa literally yesterday’s news.

Put me down in the pool for 10 word slurs, 14 mentions of Schiff, 12 of Pelosi and 15 of Bolton.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:46:03am

re: #510 Eclectic Cyborg

1) Why didn’t they extensively test this app before the fucking vote to make sure it worked properly?

2) Why is Iowa so damn important anyway?

3) Why do we even have caucuses?

4) Why do we have to have the popularity contest and staggered primaries anyway? Just set a campaigning deadline and let all states vote on the same fucking day.

Because we love to make this out to be a sport rather than a discussion on where our country and party should go. The media really needs to rethink how they cover primaries.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:46:36am

re: #511 Eclectic Cyborg

Put me down in the pool for 10 word slurs, 14 mentions of Schiff, 12 of Pelosi and 15 of Bolton.

/

How many mentions of his “historical victory in 2016” should I put you down for?

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 7:47:40am

re: #510 Eclectic Cyborg

1) Why didn’t they extensively test this app before the fucking vote to make sure it worked properly?

2) Why is Iowa so damn important anyway?

3) Why do we even have caucuses?

4) Why do we have to have the popularity contest and staggered primaries anyway? Just set a campaigning deadline and let all states vote on the same fucking day.

Like others, I don’t agree with the last one. We would have had Clinton in 2008 if we had done that. And while she would have been ok, we wouldn’t have had Obama.

Spreading them out does givesmaller financed candidates a chance to break through.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:49:18am

re: #514 Belafon

Like others, I don’t agree with the last one. We would have had Clinton in 2008 if we had done that. And while she would have been ok, we wouldn’t have had Obama.

Spreading them out does givesmaller financed candidates a chance to break through.

Yeah I don’t agree with number 4. I’m for shortening but the marathon really isn’t a bad idea. Just get rid of the caucuses and prioritizing a state like Iowa. Don’t disagree about number 1 but this kinda shit happens with technology.

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Eventual Carrion Feb 4, 2020 • 7:52:10am

re: #184 Charles Johnson

When Pedants Attack!

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I liked the book. I read his Doctor Sleep and that one back to back last month. Liked them both.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 4, 2020 • 7:53:41am

pic.twitter.com/VwbRVZXnW3

— Steadman™ (@AsteadWesley) February 4, 2020

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Interesting Times Feb 4, 2020 • 7:54:20am

In which at least one Bernie supporter tries to be a voice of reason:

Everyone, let’s take a moment to
a) Breathe
&
b) Thank all the hardworking volunteers, canvassers, field staff, and folks who have worked so tirelessly on the ground.

We will get IA results. Let’s appreciate everyone who worked so hard & share a message of gratitude for them. ⬇️ pic.twitter.com/NB8u8Uzl7D

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) February 4, 2020

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 4, 2020 • 7:55:09am

Has the Senate vote to acquit taken place already so the SOTU will be full of TOTAL EXONERATION!!! COMPLETE INNOCENCE!!! WITCH HUNT!!11!! PHONY HOAX!!!!!1!! LOCK UP SCHIFF & NADLER & NANCY!!!1!!!

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 7:56:41am

re: #519 The Pie Overlord!

Has the Senate vote to acquit taken place already so the SOTU will be full of TOTAL EXONERATION!!! COMPLETE INNOCENCE!!! WITCH HUNT!!11!! PHONY HOAX!!!!!1!! LOCK UP SCHIFF & NADLER & NANCY!!!1!!!

That’s tomorrow.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 4, 2020 • 7:57:05am

Ummm….

Here is the media report in question: https://t.co/lDriEC3xJR

— Joseph Trevithick (@FranticGoat) February 4, 2020

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Targetpractice Feb 4, 2020 • 7:57:30am

re: #520 Belafon

That’s tomorrow.

Not that it’s going to stop Donny from spending tonight screaming “TOTALLY CLEARED!!!”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 7:58:12am

re: #518 Interesting Times

In which at least one Bernie supporter tries to be a voice of reason:

I’m glad she’s doing that. I hope she’s ready for the bots pretending to be Sanders supporters and even some of the more zealous Sanders supporters to go after her though because those bots/people do not want calm.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 8:00:24am

re: #523 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m glad she’s doing that. I hope she’s ready for the bots pretending to be Sanders supporters and even some of the more zealous Sanders supporters to go after her though because those bots/people do not want calm.

From what I’ve seen, they’re the least of her worries anyway. The Right has directed far worse at her.

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 4, 2020 • 8:00:57am

RATIO OF THE DAY

Think #IowaCaucus meltdown is bad?

Imagine very close Presidential election

Russian or Chinese hackers tamper with preliminary reporting system in key counties

When the official results begin to be tabulated it shows a different winner than the preliminary results online

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:02:00am

re: #524 Belafon

From what I’ve seen, they’re the least of her worries anyway. The Right has directed far worse at her.

I’m sure. Just gotta be frustrating to deal with idiots on social media either willing or unwilling.

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 4, 2020 • 8:02:03am

SQUIRT IT STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS

A newly discovered cannabinoid could potentially be 30 times more potent than THC 😱 https://t.co/x7hxOijxxn

— NowThis (@nowthisnews) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:02:49am

re: #525 The Pie Overlord!

RATIO OF THE DAY

Hey Marco, don’t you support the President whose presidency has done nothing to prevent that? Shut the fuck up you asshole, you don’t get to lecture anyone on election security until you completely repudiate Trump.

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Targetpractice Feb 4, 2020 • 8:03:10am

re: #525 The Pie Overlord!

RATIO OF THE DAY

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If Trump wins, Li’l Marco will declare that the results are indisputable and any Dems who try to dispute it are “bitter losers.”

If Trump loses, he declares that the results must be verified again and again until enough votes appear to get Donny over the line.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 8:03:17am

re: #525 The Pie Overlord!

RATIO OF THE DAY

How many “What are you going to do about it?” replies are there?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:03:55am

re: #530 Belafon

How many “What are you going to do about it?” replies are there?

I know what he’ll do tweet Bible verses and act holier than thou like he always does.

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Interesting Times Feb 4, 2020 • 8:04:18am

re: #525 The Pie Overlord!

RATIO OF THE DAY

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Uh, yeah - if I saw just the tweet text and not who sent it, I would’ve guessed it was from Sarah Kendzior, Jennifer Cohn, or any other progressive voice trying to draw attention to election insecurity. Instead, it’s like the man who handed the arsonist a flamethrower bemoaning how terrible the resulting fire will be 🙄

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:04:37am

re: #529 Targetpractice

If Trump wins, Li’l Marco will declare that the results are indisputable and any Dems who try to dispute it are “bitter losers.”

If Trump loses, he declares that the results must be verified again and again until enough votes appear to get Donny over the line.

The time honored tradition of Heads I win, Tails you lose. Man it fucking sucks to be a reasonable minded person in this era. It really does.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:05:49am

re: #532 Interesting Times

Uh, yeah - if I saw just the tweet text and not who sent it, I would’ve guessed it was from Sarah Kendzior, Jennifer Cohn, or any other progressive voice trying to draw attention to election insecurity. Instead, it’s like the man who handed the arsonist a flamethrower bemoaning how terrible the resulting fire will be 🙄

Rubio is such a fucking hack. Really showing why he’s the GOP establishment’s golden child though that he talks shit like this when he knows damn well what happened on the Republican side in Iowa in 2012.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 8:10:57am

Alexandra Petri writes about her experience last night: washingtonpost.com.

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danarchy Feb 4, 2020 • 8:15:40am

re: #510 Eclectic Cyborg

4) Why do we have to have the popularity contest and staggered primaries anyway? Just set a campaigning deadline and let all states vote on the same fucking day.

A national primary day would basically mean only people with massive name recognition or billions of dollars would be viable candidates.

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lawhawk Feb 4, 2020 • 8:16:00am

Both of the following can be true:

1) The Iowa caucus was not rigged, there is a paper trail, and we will know who really won.

2) The Iowa caucus is an undemocratic fustercluck that disenfranchises thousands, intimidates thousands more into silence, and should be abolished.

— Matthew Chapman (@fawfulfan) February 4, 2020

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 4, 2020 • 8:16:32am

For tonight’s SOTU, POS45 will read his prepared script in a monotone, slurring every word, Xanaxed to the gills.

The media will call it “Presidential”

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 8:17:17am

re: #538 The Pie Overlord!

For tonight’s SOTU, POS45 will read his prepared script in a monotone, slurring every word, Xanaxed to the gills.

The media will call it “Presidential”

Pelosi should snicker at some point and set him off.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:17:38am

re: #536 danarchy

A national primary day would basically mean only people with massive name recognition or billions of dollars would be viable candidates.

Yeah I don’t like that as a solution. To me, the problem is that the first state is a state really not representative of party and nation and the caucus. I would hate to have to participate in a caucus.

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Eclectic Cyborg Feb 4, 2020 • 8:18:43am

re: #539 Belafon

Pelosi should snicker at some point and set him off.

I’m looking forward to seeing what she does tonight, should be good for some entertainment.

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lawhawk Feb 4, 2020 • 8:18:56am

Conspiracy theories are going completely mainstream in the GOP. Spreading them doesn’t serve either party in the long run. https://t.co/OUju84IHRf

— Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 8:19:33am

Here’s my kind of optimist:

Everybody is really upset they are not getting the results right away. There will be about a sixteen hour lag. Let’s see what good is coming from this.

1. A direct illustration of the importance of having a paper trail. This is something we desperately need for all elections, right now. Every candidate must come out and yell, “Thank God we had a paper trail.”

2. It takes Trump off the front page. Nothing happens a five minute minute story then talking about what Trump is going to say at the State of the Union. There is almost no talk about Trump, for the first time in three years.

3. It creates anticipation. Ask any writer or director is better, getting immediate results or having everybody wondering for almost an entire day “who won Iowa.” This type of mystery is just what the doctor ordered for Bernie, Liz and Pete. And it will destroy Biden (who decided to send that idiotic letter? The, “I’m an asshole loser and I’m trying to hide it meme is going to last until the results actually come out.”

4. It will be defining. If Pete won his claim of victory will be seen as a “I paid for the microphone” moment. If he did not he will come off as the jerk who claimed he got an A walking out of the test — and then got a C.

All things considered, a big positive.

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Targetpractice Feb 4, 2020 • 8:19:51am

re: #538 The Pie Overlord!

For tonight’s SOTU, POS45 will read his prepared script in a monotone, slurring every word, Xanaxed to the gills.

The media will call it “Presidential”

He’ll split the difference: The bulk of the speech will be teleprompted mush, but he’ll go off-script in ways he thinks makes him look good but really just sounds like a very insecure asshole trying to “punch up” somebody else’s script, the overall result being a joke that the media declares “presidential” because he avoided shitting his pants on-screen.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:20:35am

re: #542 lawhawk

Conspiracy theories getting mainstreamed never ends well.

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lawhawk Feb 4, 2020 • 8:23:08am

Smart doggie!

This is the best thing you’ll see today 😍
pic.twitter.com/xhOsd3imIM

— Akki (@akkitwts) February 2, 2020

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BigPapa Feb 4, 2020 • 8:23:44am

#DNCRigged is a shitstorm of trollery and Talibern grievance. Even after Bernie leaves the race the toxic cult will still be poisoning the discourse of our body politik. This only helps Trump and Putin.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:25:00am

Gore: #547 BigPapa

#DNCRigged is a shitstorm of trollery and Talibern grievance. Even after Bernie leaves the race the toxic cult will still be poisoning the discourse of our body politik. This only helps Trump and Putin.

Yeah I’m seeing that. What the fuck.

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Flying Squirrel Girl Feb 4, 2020 • 8:28:09am

re: #542 lawhawk

I’m reporting every tweet, no matter who it is, as election interference.

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Rightwingconspirator Feb 4, 2020 • 8:28:58am

We are going to have to do a lot better than this kind of mess to beat Trump, then undo the policy disasters, then the judges, and by the way get some bills passed that can move us forward…

A hundred mile walk starts with a step. Make sure your damn shoes are tied.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:31:18am

re: #550 Rightwingconspirator

We are going to have to do a lot better than this kind of mess to beat Trump, then undo the policy disasters, then the judges, and by the way get some bills passed that can move us forward…

A hundred mile walk starts with a step. Make sure your damn shoes are tied.

I fear we are as Belafon has said in a cold civil war. And it’s not just your Dem v Repub divide but divides within so it’s like a Cold Spanish Civil War in that way.

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Eclectic Cyborg Feb 4, 2020 • 8:31:20am

Is it plausible a lot of Russian dark money is going to Bernies campaign?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:32:27am

re: #549 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’m reporting every tweet, no matter who it is, as election interference.

I’m sick of stupid trolls and their snickering and their fucking idiotic memes.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 8:32:37am

Chris Reeves, the guy who has done wonders for Kansas Democrats running for office, and the guy who you all should go read at Daily Kos on how elections and campaigning actually work, has this to say about states’ control of primaries:

Before we get going, we have to clear a few things up. The DNC cannot undo the role of state legislators in paying for a primary. If a state legislature refuses to pay for one, then the party cannot command that they switch. If the state legislature sets the date on an election by primary, the party also has no control at all over this process.
…
As I noted above, caucus states are caucus states because their state government refuses to pay for a primary. They can work on a party-run primary, but a party-run primary is much more expensive than a traditional primary, and mail-in caucus can mean that results are difficult to know for days after a mail-in is conducted, because ballots received post-election day, but mailed on or before still count toward the state total.

The whole thing is worth a read: dailykos.com.

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BeachDem Feb 4, 2020 • 8:33:53am

re: #547 BigPapa

#DNCRigged is a shitstorm of trollery and Talibern grievance. Even after Bernie leaves the race the toxic cult will still be poisoning the discourse of our body politik. This only helps Trump and Putin.

So if Bernie comes out ahead when the results come in, is it still rigged? Or will it be that “only because the Berners pursued truth, justice and the American Way were we able to overcome the rigging?”

It’s only the beginning and I’m tired of the whole thing. Also, the only thing that is EPIC about the mess is that the networks didn’t have an end to their multi-hour game show. Waiting a day for verified results is not, in my opinion anyway, representative of a total breakdown of society as we know it.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 8:35:00am

And someone in the replies had a good suggestion: If a state wants to be first, it has to pay for it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:35:15am

re: #552 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it plausible a lot of Russian dark money is going to Bernies campaign?

Not only possible, I would say it’s likely. Putin’s game if you look at Europe is to play both left and right against each other and then pick up the ashes. Sometimes, he succeeds i.e. Brexit and 2016 and sometimes he fails. We have to work together to hope he fails and then return as a leader of democracy around the world. That means working with other countries who share our values.

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Sufficient unto the day... Feb 4, 2020 • 8:35:59am

I got high just reading the headline.

— jay (@random__name) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:37:05am

re: #555 BeachDem

So if Bernie comes out ahead when the results come in, is it still rigged? Or will it be that “only because the Berners pursued truth, justice and the American Way were we able to overcome the rigging?”

It’s only the beginning and I’m tired of the whole thing. Also, the only thing that is EPIC about the mess is that the networks didn’t have an end to their multi-hour game show. Waiting a day for verified results is not, in my opinion anyway, representative of a total breakdown of society as we know it.

The irony is its the rules they wanted that caused this. They wanted to continue the caucuses and then ranked voting. The Berners cannot get around that he simply is not a lot of people’s second choices. He really is looking like Trump did to me. Someone who inspires only a core group of supporters rather than actually really unites a party.

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BigPapa Feb 4, 2020 • 8:37:25am

The need for election night results is driven by television programming. Did we need to know the results of the Iowa Caucus last night? No. But the networks play that crazy election night “Decision 2020” music and we must have a “winner.”

— Sherrilyn Ifill (@Sifill_LDF) February 4, 2020

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Targetpractice Feb 4, 2020 • 8:38:14am

re: #555 BeachDem

So if Bernie comes out ahead when the results come in, is it still rigged? Or will it be that “only because the Berners pursued truth, justice and the American Way were we able to overcome the rigging?”

It’s only the beginning and I’m tired of the whole thing. Also, the only thing that is EPIC about the mess is that the networks didn’t have an end to their multi-hour game show. Waiting a day for verified results is not, in my opinion anyway, representative of a total breakdown of society as we know it.

The answer is “Yes,” it’s another “heads I win, tails you lose” situation. And the wingnuts and Russian bots are gonna join with the Berners to declare a “loss” as proof that the DNC are working to “rob” him of yet another nomination bid.

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Dr Lizardo Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:09am

re: #557 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Not only possible, I would say it’s likely. Putin’s game if you look at Europe is to play both left and right against each other and then pick up the ashes. Sometimes, he succeeds i.e. Brexit and 2016 and sometimes he fails. We have to work together to hope he fails and then return as a leader of democracy around the world. That means working with other countries who share our values.

Sadly, I doubt we’ll ever see a truly democratic Russia in our lifetimes, so we’ll have to be vigilant. Interfering in democratic societies is how Russia manages to punch above its weight.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:29am

re: #561 Targetpractice

The answer is “Yes,” it’s another “heads I win, tails you lose” situation. And the wingnuts and Russian bots are gonna join with the Berners to declare a “loss” as proof that the DNC are working to “rob” him of yet another nomination bid.

And the young Berners who get their perceptions of what’s going on from social media I fear will be easy prey for it. They’re skeptical of traditional outlets but somehow think that people like Rogan aren’t without agendas.

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mmmirele Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:50am

First World Problems:

I got a new work HP laptop two weeks ago and was given a bag full of various cables and gadgets to go with it, along with a brick that is allegedly a Dell universal adapter. I’m supposed to use this at home since I am occasionally (as in starting this morning and going through to next Tuesday morning) on call overnight. Since commuting is rather a PITA combined with on call, I decided to work from home during the day as well.

This morning I found myself trying to hook up my two monitors at home. The VGA to DisplayPort converter hates my old monitor, and only recognized a 640 x 480 resolution. Uhm, that’s so not going to work, I might as well use only my laptop. I finally cobbled together, in between my own cabling, and using the VGA port directly on the laptop, getting my two monitors set up. But I still can’t get the left monitor to be my main monitor. So pop up boxes for windows on the left monitor are popping up on the right monitor, grrrrr. And then I just discovered that making the left monitor the main monitor causes some of my application windows not to be accessible.

Technology, the source of my employment and the bane of my existence.

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lawhawk Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:55am

re: #554 Belafon

The DNC can use what pressure it can - and has used in the past - if you don’t run a primary or try to change the order the DNC wants, they wont tabulate/count your delegates until the very end, and only if it changes the results.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:40:03am

re: #562 Dr Lizardo

Sadly, I doubt we’ll ever see a truly democratic Russia in our lifetimes, so we’ll have to be vigilant. Interfering in democratic societies is how Russia manages to punch above its weight.

The saddest thing is that Boris Yelstin will go down as the most democratic person that Russia has ever had leading it for the foreseeable future.

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sagehen Feb 4, 2020 • 8:42:14am

re: #552 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it plausible a lot of Russian dark money is going to Bernies campaign?

It in the Mueller report; the Russian troll farm were ordered to support both Trump and Bernie. Criticism and complaints were to be directed at Hillary only (“we like Bernie”).

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Eclectic Cyborg Feb 4, 2020 • 8:42:28am

re: #564 mmmirele

First World Problems:

I got a new HP laptop two weeks ago and was given a bag full of various cables and gadgets to go with it, along with a brick that is allegedly a Dell universal adapter. I’m supposed to use this at home since I am occasionally (as in starting this morning and going through to next Tuesday morning) on call overnight. Since commuting is rather a PITA combined with on call, I decided to work from home during the day as well.

This morning I found myself trying to hook up my two monitors at home. The VGA to DisplayPort converter hates my old monitor, and only recognized a 640 x 480 resolution. Uhm, that’s so not going to work, I might as well use only my laptop. I finally cobbled together, in between my own cabling, and using the VGA port directly on the laptop, getting my two monitors set up. But I still can’t get the left monitor to be my main monitor. So pop up boxes for windows on the left monitor are popping up on the right monitor, grrrrr. And then I just discovered that making the left monitor the main monitor causes some of my application windows not to be accessible.

Would it not be possible to fix this but just physically swapping the positions of each monitor?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:44:37am

re: #567 sagehen

It in the Mueller report; the Russian troll farm were ordered to support both Trump and Bernie. Criticism and complaints were to be directed at Hillary only (“we like Bernie”).

Bernie would be much more easier for Putin to play internationally. Who do you think’s going to see the importance of a democratic Eastern and Central Europe more the former Secretary of State or the guy whose big thing is wealth disparity. I’m not saying that Bernie was consciously complicit in it one way or the other but eh has to know that his campaign has been the left wing beneficiary of the Kremlin Game.

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BigPapa Feb 4, 2020 • 8:45:24am

re: #552 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it plausible a lot of Russian dark money is going to Bernies campaign?

Very plausible. Reminder that the FEC, even if it has evidence of violations (it does), cannot prosecute because it has no quorum.

It has no quorum because Trump won’t elect another FEC official.

This is happening in plain sight, right in front of our face. It’s being shot on 5th avenue. And I hold Trumpers accountable for it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 8:47:14am

re: #570 BigPapa

Very plausible. Reminder that the FEC, even if it has evidence of violations (it does), cannot prosecute because it has no quorum.

It has no quorum because Trump won’t elect another FEC official.

This is happening in plain sight, right in front of our face. It’s being shot on 5th avenue. And I hold Trumpers accountable for it.

I see the bots and trolls all the time on social media. Obviously, they’re not everywhere in the whole campaign but they are playing out their part on social media. I can see it in how responses are made to more moderate minded Dem candidates and journalists who don’t have a vested interest in Bernie/Trump.

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BigPapa Feb 4, 2020 • 8:54:59am

FEC remains open for business, despite lack of quorum

While the Commission cannot take action on many legal matters, staff continues to litigate ongoing court cases, process new enforcement complaints and responses, and investigate matters previously authorized by the Commission.

It can investigate, it’s still taking reporting, but any new investigations… nope. Russia, if you’re listening, you have nothing to worry about.

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lawhawk Feb 4, 2020 • 8:55:12am

Another quake hit Puerto Rico this morning - a 5.0, but that’s enough to rattle nerves for the millions of Americans who live there or have relatives there.

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Flying Squirrel Girl Feb 4, 2020 • 8:56:23am

It is fitting that #iowacaucas is trending.

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mmmirele Feb 4, 2020 • 8:59:46am

re: #568 Eclectic Cyborg

Would it not be possible to fix this but just physically swapping the positions of each monitor?

Yeah, I guess so. Never occurred to me to swap monitors. I’ll have to wait until a time when I’m not on a phone call or otherwise being pestered by people to solve their problems.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:01:54am

Recall that the GOP has no primary campaign this year to distract them from totally ratfucking the DNC and sticking spokes in their wheels at every opportunity…

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danarchy Feb 4, 2020 • 9:06:14am

re: #506 sagehen

It needs to be States small enough for unknowns to do retail politicking in the lead-up. How about Maine and New Mexico? They’re a good size for that, and have the extra benefit of being swing states whose results provide actual hints to who’d be most viable in the general.

Why would Maine be any better than NH? Similar population. but even more white and they are equally swingy. If campaigning in NH in the winter is miserable Maine would be even worse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:10:29am

Wonders of Democracy and Federalism. Parties in each state are free to decide how they select their delegates for the Democratic National Convention and the National DNC is also free to decide on the rules that govern the nomination process…

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CarolJ Feb 4, 2020 • 9:10:30am

re: #577 danarchy

The state mentioned is New Mexico. New Mexico would be warmer and more relaxed anyway.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:13:15am

re: #579 CarolJ

The state mentioned is New Mexico. New Mexico would be warmer and more relaxed anyway.

The delegates could all travel in a brown Winnebago with bullet holes in the door…

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danarchy Feb 4, 2020 • 9:13:23am

re: #579 CarolJ

The state mentioned is New Mexico. New Mexico would be warmer and more relaxed anyway.

Um it says Maine and New Mexico…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:14:22am

re: #579 CarolJ

The state mentioned is New Mexico. New Mexico would be warmer and more relaxed anyway.

Sag also said Maine though. Maine and New Mexico. I’m trying to think of something that could work here. We need a state that is fairly small so easy to do the retail politics biz but also diverse in population.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 4, 2020 • 9:14:28am

Or, maybe actual Iranian space suits are being sold in the US as Halloween costumes
//

— 𝙒𝘽 𝙔𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙜 🍕🐀😷 (@FormerDirtDart) February 4, 2020

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The Pie Overlord! Feb 4, 2020 • 9:15:10am

This meme is from several years ago but still valid. An Australian attempts to name all 50 states on a map of the U.S.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:16:55am

I do want to say this though. I think Bernie Sanders is the worst thing to happen to the left in a long time.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 4, 2020 • 9:21:41am

re: #584 The Pie Overlord!

This meme is from several years ago but still valid. An Australian attempts to name all 50 states on a map of the U.S.

[Embedded content]

For some reason I always forget Montana and Wyoming.
Probably because no one lives there

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mmmirele Feb 4, 2020 • 9:23:41am

re: #586 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

For some reason I always forget Montana and Wyoming.
Probably because no one lives there

Rebecca Schoenkopf, the owner of Wonkette, she and her family live in Montana.

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BeachDem Feb 4, 2020 • 9:24:08am

re: #582 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Sag also said Maine though. Maine and New Mexico. I’m trying to think of something that could work here. We need a state that is fairly small so easy to do the retail politics biz but also diverse in population.

And then there’s “First in the South” South Carolina. Yes, it’s more diverse than the two states that come before, but it is not representative of the country as a whole. The last time SC went for a Democratic president was ~~in 1960~~ in 1976 (sorry for the original error). So the Dem primary lets different voices be heard, but in the total scheme of things, it has no impact, but the noise is rampant.

I like the idea someone presented the other day (can’t remember who) of having the first states be the ones that had the closest margins in the previous election. We place a lot of emphasis on swing states, as we should, so that would get them into the mix right at the beginning.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Feb 4, 2020 • 9:24:31am

re: #586 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

For some reason I always forget Montana and Wyoming.
Probably because no one lives there

Ted Kazynski (sp?) was in Montana…

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:30:59am

re: #522 Targetpractice

Not that it’s going to stop Donny from spending tonight screaming “TOTALLY CLEARED!!!”

regardless that we all know what the verdict will be, because we’ve always known….

given that we all know the truth, the senate R’s are looking pretty uncomfortable right now

it will be interesting if the ‘defendant’ in fact crows in the jury’s face, about what the jury will do, before the jury has in fact done anything official, while the jury is forced to sit there

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:32:43am

re: #538 The Pie Overlord!

For tonight’s SOTU, POS45 will read his prepared script in a monotone, slurring every word, Xanaxed to the gills.

The media will call it “Presidential”

the pivot! finally!!!!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Feb 4, 2020 • 9:33:01am

re: #590 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

That’s way too much logic for the orange-anus to grok.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 4, 2020 • 9:34:02am

re: #588 BeachDem

South Carolina went for Carter in 1976.

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makeitstop Feb 4, 2020 • 9:36:29am

Perspective.

Hard 2 take @GOP criticism of #IACaucus seriously.They have actually CANCELED primaries 2 protect @realDonaldTrump fragile ego. At least the Dems let their people vote.@ProjectLincoln @reedgalen @gtconway3d @jwgop @madrid_mike @RonSteslow @TheRickWilson @SteveSchmidtSES

— Jennifer Horn (@NHJennifer) February 4, 2020

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:37:19am

…

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BeachDem Feb 4, 2020 • 9:38:01am

re: #593 Joe Bacon 🌹

South Carolina went for Carter in 1976.

Oops—sorry—missed that one. Corrected.

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sagehen Feb 4, 2020 • 9:38:54am

re: #584 The Pie Overlord!

This meme is from several years ago but still valid. An Australian attempts to name all 50 states on a map of the U.S.

[Embedded content]

in fairness, “the places where the border-making people got drunk and couldn’t draw straight lines” didn’t have to draw lines, those are rivers that no human had any part in putting them there. But he’s definitely right about the penis gun freakyland.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:39:39am

re: #554 Belafon

Chris Reeves, the guy who has done wonders for Kansas Democrats running for office, and the guy who you all should go read at Daily Kos on how elections and campaigning actually work, has this to say about states’ control of primaries:

The whole thing is worth a read: dailykos.com.

to this part, i keep saying, so what?

mail-in caucus can mean that results are difficult to know for days after a mail-in is conducted, because ballots received post-election day, but mailed on or before still count toward the state total.

election day is only the day or the final day ballots are allowed to be cast and counted
(assuming early voting)
there is no reason why the results must be known that very day

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:40:01am

You know, not to toot our horn too much here but Virginia could be a good fit. We’re a blue state now IMO but not to the point of it being overwhelmingly so and it’s diverse.

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terraincognita Feb 4, 2020 • 9:40:08am

Whine, whine, whine—candidates and CNN. Do you think you can wait until tonight for the Iowa results? The bullshit is getting so deep on CNN it will take wings to stay above it. Just stop and report the news when it is available.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 4, 2020 • 9:40:14am

This is pretty funny, but you need to meander down thru the quote tweets.

pete says he’s a vet but has he ever been told he can’t give at the blood drive because of fresh tattoos? https://t.co/Qn7g3vhaDi

— C.J. Chivers (@cjchivers) February 4, 2020

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:40:46am

re: #597 sagehen

in fairness, “the places where the border-making people got drunk and couldn’t draw straight lines” didn’t have to draw lines, those are rivers that no human had any part in putting them there. But he’s definitely right about the penis gun freakyland.

Don’t expect an Aussie to grasp the concept of rivers…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 4, 2020 • 9:40:47am

Cowards
//

NEW statement from the Nevada Democratic Party says they will not be using the same app or vendor as Iowa. pic.twitter.com/3KBBjEjMJR

— Jonathan Easley (@JonEasley) February 4, 2020

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 9:42:33am

re: #594 makeitstop

Perspective.

I think the criticism is valid, mainly because we know it wasn’t exactly smooth and that caucuses arent exactly democratic.

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BeachDem Feb 4, 2020 • 9:43:36am

re: #600 terraincognita

Whine, whine, whine—candidates and CNN. Do you think you can wait until tonight for the Iowa results? The bullshit is getting so deep on CNN it will take wings to stay above it. Just stop and report the news when it is available.

But EPIC, DEBACLE, CHAOS, MELTDOWN are so much more “newsworthy.” I kind of like that now Iowa is saying they’ll have results by 5 pm, which should cut into pre-SOTU coverage, which will really grate on you-know-who.

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Sufficient unto the day... Feb 4, 2020 • 9:43:37am

re: #602 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Water doesn’t exist in Australia, there’s only beer, poison and flaming blood, at least according to what I read about their wildlife.

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Belafon Feb 4, 2020 • 9:44:13am

re: #603 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Cowards
//

Chris also makes the point that every campaign agreed to the app.

I’m a big fan of technology, just like I am capitalism, but there are situations where neither is appropriate.

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Patricia Kayden Feb 4, 2020 • 9:44:27am

Hard 2 take @GOP criticism of #IACaucus seriously.They have actually CANCELED primaries 2 protect @realDonaldTrump fragile ego. At least the Dems let their people vote.@ProjectLincoln @reedgalen @gtconway3d @jwgop @madrid_mike @RonSteslow @TheRickWilson @SteveSchmidtSES

— Jennifer Horn (@NHJennifer) February 4, 2020

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:45:05am

re: #606 Sufficient unto the day…

Water doesn’t exist in Australia, there’s only beer, poison and flaming blood, at least according to what I read about their wildlife.

except for the beer, everything in Australia wants to kill you

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:45:37am

re: #606 Sufficient unto the day…

Water doesn’t exist in Australia, there’s only beer, poison and flaming blood, at least according to what I read about their wildlife.

They have billabongs during the rainy season

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lawhawk Feb 4, 2020 • 9:45:44am

re: #603 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

So, they’re going to use a completely different app that hasn’t gotten tested with just 2 weeks to go.

Yeah, they’ll find a completely different way to screw things up.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:46:43am

re: #607 Belafon

Chris also makes the point that every campaign agreed to the app.

I’m a big fan of technology, just like I am capitalism, but there are situations where neither is appropriate.

Indeed. Sometimes it’s good to just do things the old fashioned way. Yeah maybe we don’t know who won immediately but maybe it’s a little more thorough.

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unproven innocence Feb 4, 2020 • 9:46:44am

re: #606 Sufficient unto the day…

Water doesn’t exist in Australia, there’s only beer, poison and flaming blood, at least according to what I read about their wildlife.

No water? So the crocodiles are 100% stealthy. Good to know. /

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:47:42am

This really is the best argument against caucuses. If Bernie’s movement is the democratic movement of the masses they claim it is, they should, I stress should be amicable to that. But we didn’t see that in 2016 and that’s why I don’t trust Sanders and his allies.

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BeachDem Feb 4, 2020 • 9:49:42am

You know you’re in Through the Looking Glass territory when Chris Cillizza gets something right.

Zero evidence of this. And deeply irresponsible to speculate with zero evidence.

And, yes, Lindsey Graham is a U.S. Senator and should know WAY better. https://t.co/uPYCEz8P5i

— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) February 4, 2020

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:50:08am

So per Twitter,, Ben Carson was in Iowa yesterday for Trump’s “caucus.” Uh doesn’t he have a huge department of the government to run? Everyone knew Trump was going to win that caucus yesterday. So why go there?

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Eclectic Cyborg Feb 4, 2020 • 9:50:44am

re: #616 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

So per Twitter,, Ben Carson was in Iowa yesterday for Trump’s “caucus.” Uh doesn’t he have a huge department of the government to run? Everyone knew Trump was going to win that caucus yesterday. So why go there?

He fell asleep at the wheel and got lost?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:51:12am

re: #615 BeachDem

You know you’re in Through the Looking Glass territory when Chris Cillizza gets something right.

If I’ve lost CHris Cillizza, I’ve lost the people who think the people who think feeding migrants to crocodiles are bad as the people who just want to feed the crocodiles normal food.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:51:47am

re: #617 Eclectic Cyborg

He fell asleep at the wheel and got lost?

/

Looked like he got on a MAGA bus. But joking aside, Trump bragging about his victory last night in Iowa is Peak Trump.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips Feb 4, 2020 • 9:52:23am

NEW: a federal judge has reversed the convictions of four humanitarian aid volunteers in Arizona, ruling that the government embraced a “gruesome logic” that criminalizes “interfering with a border enforcement strategy of deterrence by death.” https://t.co/H3KiQaJv28

— Ryan Devereaux (@rdevro) February 4, 2020

The Trump administration began with prosecutors, Border Patrol agents and Fish and Wildlife officials bringing a series of charges against @NoMoreDeaths volunteers.

This is the second time in a matter of months that those charges have been defeated on religious liberty grounds.

— Ryan Devereaux (@rdevro) February 4, 2020

Greg Kuykendall, who represented @NoMoreDeaths volunteer Scott Warren in two other cases stemming from the administration’s crackdown, said the reversal reveals what the government refuses to acknowledge.

“They need dead bodies in order for their deterrence strategies to work.”

— Ryan Devereaux (@rdevro) February 4, 2020

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BeachDem Feb 4, 2020 • 9:53:38am

re: #616 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

So per Twitter,, Ben Carson was in Iowa yesterday for Trump’s “caucus.” Uh doesn’t he have a huge department of the government to run? Everyone knew Trump was going to win that caucus yesterday. So why go there?

A whole lot of them were there—caution—this pic might make you puke, but the followup tweet is perfect.

Snakes on a plane. Good flick.

— Make Ethics Great Again (@EthicsMake) February 4, 2020

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:53:51am

re: #619 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Looked like he got on a MAGA bus. But joking aside, Trump bragging about his victory last night in Iowa is Peak Trump.

if you’re the only one on the ballot it’s a Schrodinger’s win because you also lost.

you came in first and last

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:53:57am

re: #620 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

“They need dead bodies in order for their deterrence strategies to work.”

Dead children are no problem for them. Just bad publicity.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:56:03am

re: #622 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

if you’re the only one on the ballot it’s a Schrodinger’s win because you also lost.

you came in first and last

I really feel Trump has done damage that we will be unable to repair to American democracy in my lifetime. Note, I’m actually bullish on beating him but more cynical on defeating what makes him possible.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:56:07am

re: #620 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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being a bit cynical here - the judge ruled against deterrence by death because the prosecutors didnt prove it worked

Judge Rosemary Márquez’s opinion is worth reading in full but this is the arguably the key passage — a damning critique of the core argument prosecutors have used to criminalize the provision of humanitarian aid for decades.https://t.co/sBY0WOci6t pic.twitter.com/kcLLpzJnmU

— Ryan Devereaux (@rdevro) February 4, 2020

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Eclectic Cyborg Feb 4, 2020 • 9:57:02am

re: #619 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Looked like he got on a MAGA bus. But joking aside, Trump bragging about his victory last night in Iowa is Peak Trump.

It’s just like his bragging about his approval among REPUBLICANS.

It’s just like saying: “Hey, most Nazis really love Hitler!” or being impressed at how many Packers fans are in the stands at Lambeau for a game.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:58:20am

re: #626 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s just like his bragging about his approval among REPUBLICANS.

It’s just like saying: “Hey, most Nazis really love Hitler!” or being impressed at how many Packers fans are in the stands at Lambeau for a game.

I do love people trolling him and pointing out to him that he lost Iowa when it actually mattered for him in the 2016 primaries. God he’s such a shitbrick.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior) Feb 4, 2020 • 9:58:36am

Headed upstairs. Don’t forget the whiskey and grass.

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CleverToad Feb 4, 2020 • 10:12:45am

re: #405 Dr Lizardo

So, poking around the Internet and I see they’re thinking about a fifth Indiana Jones film - I wonder what they’re gonna call it.

Indiana Jones and the Kids Who Won’t Stay Off My Goddamn Lawn?

After the cinematic embarrassment that was Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I think it’s time to retire the Indiana Jones franchise once and for all (and they should’ve let it go after Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, which served as a nice way to wrap up the series, ending on a high note).

My sarky college kid’s suggestion: Indiana Jones and the Quest for the Pill I Just Dropped

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danarchy Feb 4, 2020 • 10:23:52am

re: #622 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

if you’re the only one on the ballot it’s a Schrodinger’s win because you also lost.

you came in first and last

Bill Weld and Joe Walsh were on the ballot for whatever that’s worth, which apparently aint much.

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