YouTube Springs Into Action: No “Birther” Videos Allowed in 2020 Election

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A lot of things are pretty messed up this election season in the U.S. of A., but at least YouTube is taking some timely action to shut down one of the worst racist conspiracy theories circulating on the right: YouTube: No ‘birther’ videos allowed.

Google also said Monday that it will remove any videos that advance false claims about whether political candidates and elected officials are eligible to serve in office. That had been policy before, but wasn’t made explicit.

The company’s announcement comes about nine years after celebrity businessman Donald Trump began to get notice for claiming that Barack Obama, the nation’s first African American president, was not born in the United States.

Trump repeatedly voiced citizenship doubts even after Obama produced his long-form birth certificate. Trump only fully backed off from the idea in the final stages of his 2016 presidential campaign.

Man oh man, that was close. Imagine what it would be like if we somehow had a president who was a Birther. Thanks, YouTube.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:35:26pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:36:16pm

It’s going to be interesting to see where the second round goes in tonight’s caucus. I don’t think Bernie is going to be on top after that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:36:43pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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KGxvi  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:37:20pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nobody is saying Merry Christmas because it’s fucking FEBRUARY!

And as aggressive as the holidayChristmas season has been, it is not (yet) 10 11 fucking months long!

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:39:38pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’re saying “Happy Valentine’s Day!” again.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:39:51pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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KGxvi  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:40:33pm

re: #2 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s going to be interesting to see where the second round goes in tonight’s caucus. I don’t think Bernie is going to be on top after that.

I suspect it’s going to be a split decision, probably three people ending up very close in final votes and delegates awarded. And a fourth (and maybe fifth) person doing well enough that they can convince themselves that NH, SC, and NV are still viable places to make a stand.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:40:41pm

re: #4 KGxvi

Nobody is saying Merry Christmas because it’s fucking FEBRUARY!

And as aggressive as the holidayChristmas season has been, it is not (yet) 10 11 fucking months long!

WHY YO HATE CHRISTIANS! // But seriously, it is so sad that this shit is one of their favorites. No one banned Merry Christmas ever except the Massachusetts Bay Colony which *checks notes* was a Christian theocracy. I hate how these assholes make the holiday season about them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:42:05pm
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calochortus  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:46:17pm

re: #8 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

WHY YO HATE CHRISTIANS! // But seriously, it is so sad that this shit is one of their favorites. No one banned Merry Christmas ever except the Massachusetts Bay Colony which *checks notes* was a Christian theocracy. I hate how these assholes make the holiday season about them.

It’s just so stupid. It’s not like Christmas is as theologically important as Easter, either. We’re all born. Not so many of us rise from the dead. But the winter solstice is a time those of us not near the equator really like to celebrate the return of life and light to the world. Hence putting Christmas close to the solstice.
If you celebrate the birth of Jesus at the solstice, great! I hope it’s happy. If you celebrate Hanukkah, or just the solstice itself, knock yourself out! I hope it’s happy. If you just have another shot of an alcoholic beverage and hope to make it to Spring, that’s OK too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:49:23pm

re: #10 calochortus

It’s just so stupid. It’s not like Christmas is as theologically important as Easter, either. We’re all born. Not so many of us rise from the dead. But the winter solstice is a time those of us not near the equator really like to celebrate the return of life and light to the world. Hence putting Christmas close to the solstice.
If you celebrate the birth of Jesus at the solstice, great! I hope it’s happy. If you celebrate Hanukkah, or just the solstice itself, knock yourself out! I hope it’s happy. If you just have another shot of an alcoholic beverage and hope to make it to Spring, that’s OK too.

Exactly. Why do you need to be wished a Merry Christmas by everyone? I wish my family Merry Christmas because that’s what we celebrate but I’m fine with Happy Holidays too since yeah New Year is one week after Christmas Day too. They claim we’re all so easily offended but the whole Happy Holidays thing is just that.

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calochortus  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:50:36pm

re: #11 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly. Why do you need to be wished a Merry Christmas by everyone? I wish my family Merry Christmas because that’s what we celebrate but I’m fine with Happy Holidays too since yeah New Year is one week after Christmas Day too. They claim we’re all so easily offended but the whole Happy Holidays thing is just that.

It’s the “Happy” or “Merry” part that counts, not the exact reason for the good wishes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:52:00pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:52:22pm

re: #12 calochortus

It’s the “Happy” or “Merry” part that counts, not the exact reason for the good wishes.

Exactly. A retail clerk or barista wishes me a Happy Holidays, I smile. They’re being polite.

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aatharuv  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:52:31pm

re: #8 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

There is the theory I’ve seen on some parts of the nut-o-sphere that Puritans are the intellectual ancestors of modern liberals and progressives. Which _might_ be true at some level (ideologies can change unrecognizeably in a few hundred years), but not much more than “Democrats love Slavery” that you also see spouted by the nut-rights.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:52:52pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Let me play the world’s smallest violin.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:54:17pm

re: #15 aatharuv

There is the theory I’ve seen on some parts of the nut-o-sphere that Puritans are the intellectual ancestors of modern liberals and progressives. Which _might_ be true at some level (ideologies can change unrecognizeably in a few hundred years), but not much more than “Democrats love Slavery” that you also see spouted by the nut-rights.

In my time as an American liberal, I have been told that I am the heir of the Nazis but yet someohw my support of diversity in my country means I’m destroying our “heritage.” I wish these morons could pick out what the hell we are. Meanwhile many a conservative would be wise to learn about how conservatives responded to Mussolini.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:56:12pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nazis; I hope they all die horribly of lung cancer.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:57:05pm

On twitter the Berners are pushing the early satellite caucus results that included many college/univ students.

But when the results come in from the far flung counties in Iowa, where the median age is, well, old, we’ll see how Bernie does.

He might win tonight. But not by that large of a margin, I think.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:57:58pm

re: #17 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

In my time as an American liberal, I have been told that I am the heir of the Nazis but yet someohw my support of diversity in my country means I’m destroying our “heritage.” I wish these morons could pick out what the hell we are. Meanwhile many a conservative would be wise to learn about how conservatives responded to Mussolini.

None of their arguments are made in good faith; they are all trolling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:59:24pm

I too enjoy scurrilous drinking songs

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:59:48pm

re: #19 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

On twitter the Berners are pushing the early satellite caucus results that included many college/univ students.

But when the results come in from the far flung counties in Iowa, where the median age is, well, old, we’ll see how Bernie does.

He might win tonight. But not by that large of a margin, I think.

I am an election junkie; so excited that voting is finally starting!

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 4:59:53pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eric’s trying to distract from the Impeachmas Season.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:00:17pm

Has Bernie won yet or is it still rigged?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:00:51pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:01:03pm

re: #19 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

On twitter the Berners are pushing the early satellite caucus results that included many college/univ students.

But when the results come in from the far flung counties in Iowa, where the median age is, well, old, we’ll see how Bernie does.

He might win tonight. But not by that large of a margin, I think.

I’m not going to be surprised either way. Unlike Berners, I aknowledge that candidates I don’t support have legit support.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:02:52pm

re: #26 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Super Tuesday is now Super-duper Tuesday. That is the day that matters. Iowa and NH are now talking points for candidates to add donors… or take them away from other candidates who drop out.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:04:14pm

Watching MSNBC. Chyron just showed 81% of caucus goers don’t get their political news from twitter (twitterverse is not the real world).

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:04:39pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:05:07pm

Lots of gray hair here:

Probably a plus for Biden. Or Klobuchar.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:05:48pm

Under 30 huge for Sanders. Only 20% of caucus goers so far.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:07:04pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:07:19pm

“Who says we cover elections like a horse race?”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:08:08pm

re: #28 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Watching MSNBC. Chyron just showed 81% of caucus goers don’t get their political news from twitter (twitterverse is not the real world).

Ia and NH will decide if anyone other than Biden, Sanders and Bloomberg are viable for super tuesday.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:08:14pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump Administration Renders Daily Stormer Redundant

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:09:00pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:09:16pm

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Most definitely NSF! But if these pulpit pimps want to go there, so be it.

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CarolJ  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:10:00pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently more people agree with Nazi stuff than want to pay for it. Hoping all of them go bankrupt and have to stand out on the corner and beg for money. It’s also clear that there’s (thankfully) no sugar daddy to finance this, unlike Hitler who could get industrialists to pony up.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:10:42pm

what kind of weirdo would go to the caucus uncommitted?

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:11:27pm

538’s final Iowa forecast odds:

Sanders 41% chance of winning
Biden 32% chance
Buttigieg 14%
Warren 10%
Klobuchar 2%

Basically they say wide open.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:11:31pm

re: #28 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Watching MSNBC. Chyron just showed 81% of caucus goers don’t get their political news from twitter (twitterverse is not the real world).

From electoral-vote.com
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Only 22% of Americans are on Twitter at all. Also, 80% of the Twitter content is created by 10% of its users. In case you don’t have a calculator handy, this means that 2% of Americans create 80% of the content on Twitter. So Twitter is not representative of anything other than the 2% of the population that spends its whole day tweeting. Yet the media act like if something is trending on Twitter, then the whole country is talking about it and it is important. Nope and nope again. (V)

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:12:50pm

NATE SILVER8:11 PM
For what it’s worth, betting markets had Sanders as a much bigger Iowa favorite than polling models implied that he should be. I’m not sure how much weight to give to entrance polls, but if the actual results also start to show a close 4-way race, they’ll have to correct pretty quickly.

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CarolJ  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:13:16pm

I’m surprised that there haven’t been a revival of those ancient Bacchanalian temples where they drank and had orgies. A holy strip club wouldn’t need to take up a collection and would be able to make money just off of visitors let alone regular members.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:13:44pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:14:31pm

re: #27 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Super Tuesday is now Super-duper Tuesday. That is the day that matters. Iowa and NH are now talking points for candidates to add donors… or take them away from other candidates who drop out.

Exactly. Super-duper Tuesday is going to have states from all over the map of various sizes, demographics, significance to November, etc. Bernie may win tonight but I can see their being a close margin between the top 3-4 candidates.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:16:17pm

MSNBC Chyron shows 60% of caucus goets support M4A. That seems to favor Bernie.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:16:23pm

As the horses leave the starting gate, the final order remains unclear.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:16:33pm

Oh noes! Horror at the caucus!

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:17:14pm

I’d love for some news person to start using “we don’t know” in place of “unclear.”

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:19:48pm

re: #48 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:20:44pm

91% of Ia caucus goers are white, in the Democratic caucuses.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:22:57pm

re: #50 jaunte

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Red Wine looks EXACTLY like Coca-Cola when poured into a plastic Coke bottle.

Don’t ask me why or how I know, it just does

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:23:05pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:23:19pm

re: #51 NO SMOCKING GUN!

91% of Ia caucus goers are white, in the Democratic caucuses.

That’s even whiter than Trump’s final electorate. Nothing against these caucus goers. They will get delegates who will be able to influence the debate as they should but tonight isn’t going to tell you what the democratic coalition as a whole thinks about the candidates. I can see Bernie or Biden winning tonight and maybe even Warren or Pete but I won’t see it as a big indictation of where things are yet. I expect there to be a close race between the top 4 finishers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:23:44pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:24:45pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:25:19pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

That assumes fairly static demand, which may or may not be true. I wouldn’t presume to know the ins and outs of their data. And in particular, with the need to have milk delivered in a fairly short time scale, a fluctuation like that may actually be entirely within the norm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:25:31pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:26:59pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh I would hate it. I’m so glad I’ve always lived in a primary state.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:27:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:30:05pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:30:56pm

re: #59 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Oh I would hate it. I’m so glad I’ve always lived in a primary state.

I think it would be interesting someday to move to Ia just to participate in the caucus.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:31:10pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That assumes fairly static demand, which may or may not be true. I wouldn’t presume to know the ins and outs of their data. And in particular, with the need to have milk delivered in a fairly short time scale, a fluctuation like that may actually be entirely within the norm.

Nah, the driver reportedly even said they all knew it was a huge fuckup at the warehouse but couldn’t do anything to fix it. Which in itself seems like suboptimal logistics design.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:31:41pm
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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:32:26pm

DAN HOPKINS8:31 PM
In my panel survey, there are 454 Democrats who reported their primary preference in 2016 and again last week. In 2016, 33 percent were with Bernie. He’s now got 15 percent of that group, and 64 percent of his supporters now were with him in 2016. It’s an obvious point, but Sanders will lose support from 2016 — the question is just how much.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:33:17pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

Nah, the driver reportedly even said they all knew it was a huge fuckup at the warehouse but couldn’t do anything to fix it. Which in itself seems like suboptimal logistics design.

Fair enough, that I’ll accept. I just want to make sure all the various other angles are accounted for before jumping straight to bad design. There are many bad applications and systems out there, but I maintain hope that someone out there is finally going to do something right.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:34:13pm

NATE SILVER8:32 PM
Yeah, I think Sanders has had a pretty good few months, and certainly he has an opportunity to expand his coalition further … but, yeah it is worth remembering that he’s currently polling at only about half of the vote he got last time. To some extent, the story of the caucus is that no one came into tonight with more than about 20 percent support.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:35:05pm
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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:35:13pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

Superb owl weekend? They may have thought it was intentional. I know that the pizza place upped it’s supply orders for the weekend every year. OTOH, it’s Staryucks so I’m not sure why I care…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:36:01pm

re: #62 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think it would be interesting someday to move to Ia just to participate in the caucus.

I dunno. Always seemed a little intimidating to me because I really think the vote is such an individual thing that in a way it’s ultimately between me and the booth even though I don’t deny who I vote for. Plus, I get antsy quickly. But it is a pretty unique thing I concede.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:36:46pm
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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:37:29pm

I’m guessing that the Yang Gang will be a whole hell of a lot less concerned with math tomorrow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:38:47pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:40:11pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:40:23pm

re: #72 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

I’m guessing that the Yang Gang will be a whole hell of a lot less concerned with math tomorrow.

High internet presence, like luap nor, but not so much in the real world.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:41:44pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

God I had forgotten that. Isn’t that when he really started getting nasty to Cruz? I want to say the remarks about Cruz’s father were after the Iowa Caucus. Agh that just makes me sick to think about. That our President seriously accused a rival in his own party’s father of killing the last President to be assassinated in United States history and now that same man greatly enables said President in the worst ways.

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:42:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:43:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:44:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:45:32pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:45:45pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m undecided. I think that’s why I would hate to be there right now.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:46:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:46:55pm
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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:48:47pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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First they came for John Bolton, and I did not speak out—

because, LOL, f*ck that guy…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:49:10pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are we voting for President or for the Class Treasurer who will get us a candy machine in the cafeteria and the cafeteria will serve Papa Johns Pizza everyday?

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mmmirele  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:49:20pm

I chewed out a “reporter” in the Evangelical community for deadnaming a transgender person.

I’ve frankly had enough of this bulkshit.

ETA: Lavery alludes in this article to the incident where he went to his father and told him he could provide help for the person in his father’s congregation who was attracted to children. However, John Ortberg refused, because Daniel Lavery is transgender and thus everything he says is wrong. ///sarcasm, heavy sarcasm

shatnerchatner.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:49:56pm

re: #81 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m undecided. I think that’s why I would hate to be there right now.

In Kentucky I won’t vote until May. Most of these candidates won’t be in the race by then.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:51:27pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:53:23pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

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Its strange how the oldest candidate is most popular with the youngest voters.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:54:02pm

re: #87 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In Kentucky I won’t vote until May. Most of these candidates won’t be in the race by then.

Oh no wonder. By May it usually is settled.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:54:32pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Yikes.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:54:59pm

re: #89 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Its strange how the oldest candidate is most popular with the youngest voters.

Imagine if Betty White ran?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 5:56:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:01:53pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:02:23pm

re: #86 mmmirele

I chewed out a “reporter” in the Evangelical community for deadnaming a transgender person.

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I’ve frankly had enough of this bulkshit.

I’m glad you smacked down that jerk!

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aatharuv  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:03:07pm

re: #86 mmmirele

And the “reporter” also calls the pastor’s son, “the daughter”. Ugh.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:03:25pm

re: #92 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

Imagine if Betty White ran?

Here’s your ticket. You pair Betty White with Kirk Douglas. Having lost my grandmother recently, I really feel I lost my personal connection to that generation. Still can learn from em.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:03:54pm
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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:04:49pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

The caucuses have been a shit show for disabled people.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:08:21pm
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mmmirele  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:08:42pm

re: #96 aatharuv

And the “reporter” also calls the pastor’s son, “the daughter”. Ugh.

I know. Julie Roys is one of those conservative Evangelicals who doesn’t believe transgender people exist. I’m tired of that nonsense. Jesus did not tell his followers to be asshats to others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:09:42pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:10:28pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:10:49pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Media is going to clutch its pearls over this one but I applaud this. They’ve made a mockery of the office throughout this entire investigation to put it kindly.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:12:55pm

But here’s something good: ASL Caucusing

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CarolJ  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:13:57pm

re: #38 CarolJ

Most of this stuff doesn’t make a profit-either by design (it’s a calling, so just enough money to keep it going), or accident-not enough subscribers, advertisers, or both. In order to hang in there until some distant time they gain political power enough to grift off the state, they need sugar daddies like a lot of ministries do. So far, anyone with really deep pockets to not mind financing something at a loss hasn’t appeared.

One reason has thankfully been the lawsuits against the Order, the Klan, and other similar groups for acts of violence perpetrated by them. It’s one thing to finance a broadsheet of vaguely racist material by some advocacy group, another to find oneself-and your company legally liable for acts of terror.

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:17:11pm
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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:17:52pm

The Iowa caucus is just plain stupid

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:18:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:19:59pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:20:36pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

(Daily Stormer) Founder Andrew Anglin points out on TDS’s BBS that racist podcast The Right Stuff *still has a credit card processor* Wut

Thank you for alerting us to that, Andrew. We’ll take it from here.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:23:20pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

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[trump] IT’S A FULL ROOM, THERE ARE 2,500 REPS, 13 SENATORS, HALF OF SPACE FORCE AND 9 SUPREME COURT JUSTICES THAT THE FIRE MARSHALL WON’T LET IN!! [/trump]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:24:38pm
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:28:06pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

“Let’s pass some legislation!” -Trump

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:38:30pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:41:25pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I was in a casino in Council Bluffs in the middle of January a few years ago, and there was a line out the door for the discounted buffet where the patrons saved…wait for it…one dollar off the regular price.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:41:38pm
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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:43:26pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:43:45pm

re: #108 b.d. (He’s Impeached)

The Iowa caucuses is are just plain stupid

FTFY

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:46:13pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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All my dogs have loved tomatoes

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:46:55pm

Nate Silver

@NateSilver538
AP is now showing some *final* alignment data — just 19 precincts — and it’s Sanders 26, Buttigieg 24, Biden 20, Warren 18, Klobuchar 11

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:47:54pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Well, yes, I suppose they are “stupid”. But I would argue that the entire idea of the polity in this country doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. It is a left over from the 18th century, or even older.

Caucuses do, however, paint an image of a society, with one group trying to pressure another group to join them. At the heart of campaigning is bandwagoning

.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:51:19pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:52:25pm

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:54:28pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:54:44pm

re: #121 retired cynic

Nate Silver

@NateSilver538
AP is now showing some *final* alignment data — just 19 precincts — and it’s Sanders 26, Buttigieg 24, Biden 20, Warren 18, Klobuchar 11

If Mayor Pete finishes second overall, he is viable going into NH.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:55:11pm
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:55:27pm

re: #123 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I’m thinking there’s a cartoon to be made from that.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:55:35pm

re: #126 NO SMOCKING GUN!

This is a real small percentage of precincts, if I understand correctly.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:56:12pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:57:20pm

I was unhappy with both Booker and Harris dropping out. But they couldn’t keep up with the Bernie-gang tar and feathering them at every turn, and Biden had the institutional Democrats on his side.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:57:31pm

re: #129 retired cynic

This is a real small percentage of precincts, if I understand correctly.

Yep, there are 1,681! So 19, no matter where they are from, are small beer.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 6:59:13pm

NATE SILVER9:56 PM
So far, Sarah, I think that we’ve learned that Buttigieg is likely to perform at the higher end of his range and that there probably isn’t going to be a blowout winner tonight. Beyond that, everything is pretty speculative.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:01:14pm

If Pete does well tonight, I expect a massive outpouring of BUTTIGIEG IS A RACIST! machines popping up on twitter, many of them also Trumpers.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:01:39pm

I could watch Maddow/Wallace all night. That’s Huntley/Brinkley stuff right there.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:06:03pm

Tim Alberta

@TimAlberta
Iowa is charming and everything but let’s all admit that if we saw this sloppy, chaotic, slap-dash voting system employed in another country we’d call for UN election monitoring.

6,360
7:58 PM - Feb 3, 2020

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:06:13pm
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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:06:35pm

If it actually comes down to Biden, Pete, and Bernie in the end, I’m going to put what I can behind Biden, but man…it’s going to be just a gigantic dick kick toward anyone who doesn’t automatically get hives toward “identity politics” and/or who want to actually play proper hardball against the GOP.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:06:50pm

Berners starting to come up with reasons why Bernie isn’t running away with it:

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:07:21pm

A very important point from DK:

Though as we’ll emphasize throughout the night, it takes 1,990 delegates to win the Democratic nomination. Only 41 are up for grabs tonight, and the final result could be very close.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:09:27pm

re: #139 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:11:25pm
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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:12:12pm

What are we going to learn from the caucus in a state that has a vanishingly small population that is 90% white?

Not a whole lot. It might force a reckoning of a few lesser candidates, but it wont shake up the top 3 or 4.

Super Tuesday is what matters. That is where this race really takes shape. Same as always. Just because someone wins Iowa doesn’t mean that they’ll win the nomination, or even that they are electable. Caucus sucks. It’s an awful way of choosing a candidate, because it attracts people who have lots of time to play politics, and isn’t representative of the state or electorate as a whole.

I think Democrats should switch to ranked choice voting, but that’s just me.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:13:16pm

re: #137 jaunte

All elections and all races matter.

The GOP is watching their hold on power slipping, and they are increasingly desperate to grab and retain power, especially in a redistricting election too (2020 is census, which ultimately drives redistricting that will be in place for the 2022 midterms).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:13:35pm

Iowa is mostly a rural state, the only urban area being Des Moines and surrounds, which barely make the cut for “urban”. All those people in medium to small cities probably don’t look at the world like the 19 yo Berners on some campus.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:14:40pm

re: #143 lawhawk

However, Obama winning the caucuses in 2008 really helped open the eyes of those (like me) who thought Hillary had the nomination wired.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:16:07pm

re: #146 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Obama showed he was competitive in 2008, and Super Tuesday carried that home. She showed that Super Tuesday mattered in 2016. After Super Tuesday, she had the race secured - Bernie never closed the gap. That’s why I again point to the importance of Super Tuesday, which is what candidates should be focusing on. It was far more competitive in 2008, though Obama ultimately pulled ahead.

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bratwurst  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:16:51pm

I am going to check in with a highly controversial opinion here.

The fact that this ridiculous caucus produces results requiring “quality control” before release is a sign that tonight is a fucking joke.

I will go even further and suggest that the fact our electoral system is seriously fucked up in every possible sense AND this country presently has a sociopathic conman/reality TV show host as president are not unrelated.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:17:39pm

Uh….welp. Preview of what the future might hold in the courts:

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Interesting Times  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:17:42pm

Well this is cheerful :/

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:17:46pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:18:03pm

re: #143 lawhawk

What are we going to learn from the caucus in a state that has a vanishingly small population that is 90% white?

Not a whole lot. It might force a reckoning of a few lesser candidates, but it wont shake up the top 3 or 4.

Super Tuesday is what matters. That is where this race really takes shape. Same as always. Just because someone wins Iowa doesn’t mean that they’ll win the nomination, or even that they are electable. Caucus sucks. It’s an awful way of choosing a candidate, because it attracts people who have lots of time to play politics, and isn’t representative of the state or electorate as a whole.

I think Democrats should switch to ranked choice voting, but that’s just me.

However lots of Ia winners have been nominees, and the February caucuses and primaries will decide who is viable in super tuesday other than bloomberg.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:19:42pm

re: #148 bratwurst

I am going to check in with a highly controversial opinion here.

The fact that this ridiculous caucus produces results requiring “quality control” before release is a sign that tonight is a fucking joke.

I will go even further and suggest that the fact our electoral system is seriously fucked up in every possible sense AND this country presently has a sociopathic conman/reality TV show host as president are not unrelated.

Can’t disagree.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:21:16pm

Peter Hamby

@PeterHamby
literally ~90% of the news coverage right now is coming from DSM area precincts that are younger & higher-educated — and people are drawing wayyyy too many conclusions from that

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9:03 PM - Feb 3, 2020

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:22:16pm

re: #148 bratwurst

Don’t most elections have the equivalent of “quality control”? E.g., San Diego county doesn’t report final results until about a month or so after an election, as there are always ballots to throw out, or to contend.

And in regards to the caucuses - they seem out of date, true, but they are not really voting for President or any office. It’s about political parties trying to decide who to pick as candidates, a process which is much better today than in much of US history, in regards to having more people participate.

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CarolJ  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:22:29pm

re: #146 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

And the reason it did was because it showed black people that white people would actually really vote for a black candidate. Remember that Sharpton and Mosely-Braun had ran in the last cycle and didn’t make much of a mark.

Back then, I hadn’t really noticed the mechanics of the caucus. But looking back, what helped Obama was that it was the 3rd of January, and a lot of students and others were off and able to caucus. Right after Xmas, so people were probably on their Winter vacation or Winter Break. But February, on a Monday night, is another matter. What about those who have to get to bed early to attend early classes, or work?

Nervous about Biden, and rooting for him. Hope he stays in and allows us to rally around him. And I will canvass for him.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:23:58pm

Before the 1970’s and the growth of caucuses and primaries, party candidates were often selected by at best dubious means. See the 19th century for some wild examples.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:24:27pm

re: #150 Interesting Times

Well this is cheerful :/

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I realize Trump and the GOP are once in a lifetime thing, but I swear even smart people forget our history, and the size of our country, when they get scared.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:24:38pm
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:27:11pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

I am confused by this statement: “Biden team amassed extra delegates, and then siphoned them to Klo & Warren.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:27:27pm

Berners preparing for Bernie not winning by coming up with all sorts of dark and nefarious reasons:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:27:54pm

re: #160 Belafon

Klo comes after J-Lo in the celebrity alphabet.

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CarolJ  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:30:01pm

I would like to see if the ranked-choice voting used by Maine to be applied to the caucus.
It might take a few days longer, but it would allow more people to participate and a clearer picture of the desires of the party faithful. If we win, 2024 would be a good time to experiment with this with a very small (if extant) field.

Should be all paper of course, and tallied-and retallied-by hand.

Berners should have expected this. Marks on paper are largely easy to determine compared to a living person who can change their mind several times in a night.

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bratwurst  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:30:30pm

re: #155 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Don’t most elections have the equivalent of “quality control”? E.g., San Diego county doesn’t report final results until about a month or so after an election, as there are always ballots to throw out, or to contend.

Absolutely. The difference is that they don’t announce the results are being held back for “quality control” at the time of night the results have almost always been made available in the past.

I don’t think one has to be a conspiracy theorist to be concerned that something strange is going on in the present situation.

re: #157 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Before the 1970’s and the growth of caucuses and primaries, party candidates were often selected by at best dubious means. See the 19th century for some wild examples.

No question. Nobody wants to go back to this. I do, however, feel like there is ample middle ground between the good people of Iowa having to show up at a certain place at a certain time to stand in groups and plead their case to supporters of “nonviable” candidates and candidates being chosen in smokey backrooms at conventions.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:31:00pm

Things I really really want to happen:
Wilco to cover Within Your Reach by the Replacements
Replacements to cover Box Full of Letters (Wilco)
They both (separately) cover Starry Eyes by Roky Erickson.

And of course, for trmp to somehow get convicted and removed.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:32:06pm

Kelly Dittmar
@kdittmar
Some pretty interesting gender numbers courtesy of @AP:

Women:
22% Warren
18% Biden
18% Sanders
16% Buttigieg
15% Klobuchar

Men:
21% Biden
20% Sanders
15% Buttigieg
14% Warren
12% Klobuchar

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:33:06pm

re: #164 bratwurst

See my #140.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:35:32pm

re: #164 bratwurst

The ability of the Democratic party machinery to message is not that high, IMO. That’s why the GOP uses Fox News - because the latter are specialists in messaging and highly effective at it.

I think there was some mention, before these caucuses started tonight, that the count would be slower and the app that was developed to help wasn’t really helping that well.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:35:43pm

…and yet American reporters respond, “Thank you master, may I have some more?” When the Brits have the bigger balls than the Yanks the world is upside down.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:36:17pm

re: #18 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Nazis; I hope they all die horribly of lung cancer.

Hey there are other cancers, why do you put all the burden on lung cancer?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:36:28pm
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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:37:20pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:37:40pm

re: #170 The Pie Overlord!

Hey there are other cancers, why do you put all the burden on lung cancer?

Just because its killing a Nazi in the news today.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:37:58pm

The bloggers on 538 live feed are saying these delays in reporting might be the final push that ends caucusing in IA. We could hope.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:38:40pm

re: #157 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Before the 1970’s and the growth of caucuses and primaries, party candidates were often selected by at best dubious means. See the 19th century for some wild examples.

A friend of mine (now passed) loved to tell the story of how he attended a state convention sometime in the 1950’s (I don’t recall which party.)

He saw the slate of candidates (which were real slates as in chalkboards) and noted one of the candidates was blank. This may have been for state committees, Governors Council or whoever. Anyway, he sees his opening and chalks in his name.

He wasn’t listed for more than a few moments: Several party official confronted him, and in his words, roughed him up until he was compelled to remove his name.

I believed him. I still do. Massachusetts has more than a trace of this still left in its politics. Hard men and mafiosi of one ethnicity or another.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:38:56pm

re: #169 Dread Pirate

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…and yet American reporters respond, “Thank you master, may I have some more?” When the Brits have the bigger balls than the Yanks the world is upside down.

If CNN, NYT, and the WaPo sat out, do you think OANN would, or Daily Caller? Or Fox?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:41:19pm

Trumper trying to cause trouble:

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:42:23pm

re: #176 Belafon

If CNN, NYT, and the WaPo sat out, do you think OANN would, or Daily Caller? Or Fox?

No, but they preach to the choir, so it doesn’t change anything.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:42:42pm

I do blame CNN and NYT for this because their attempts at balanced caused this, but right now we have a situation where Trump could be left alone with his propaganda outlets. And it’s a situation that will be tough to rectify, strengthening the media with Fox and John Roberts, but the media as a whole is broken.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:43:29pm

I checked some other networks after watching MSNBC. Fox was about to go to Laura Ingraham, so I said nope and switched. I would love to watch Fox call Trump a loser in November though.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:43:34pm

The Trumpers are going to play this thing all the way through November, in order to nullify when a Dem wins:

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:46:06pm

They (CNN, etc.) wouldn’t be silent about not covering him, they’d be vocal about their treatment and the president’s lying. It’s better than the both-sidesing they are doing now in their attempt at maintaining access.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:46:57pm

I fully expect Trump to repeat this:

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:48:34pm

When Pedants Attack!

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:49:31pm

re: #179 Belafon

I do blame CNN and NYT for this because their attempts at balanced caused this, but right now we have a situation where Trump could be left alone with his propaganda outlets. And it’s a situation that will be tough to rectify, strengthening the media with Fox and John Roberts, but the media as a whole is broken.

I honestly feel like being left with just his propaganda outfits wouldn’t be so terrible, if the “actual” news networks 1) refused to carry his dumbass rallies, 2) bothered to aggressively fact check him in a sustained way, and 3) stopped taking cues from Fox and such to begin with far as what is actually ‘news’.

As it is, they still play footsie with the idea that Trump is the supergenius God-blessed president that he believes he is, and is more than happy to load up on conservative ‘wisdom’ while gleefully stirring shit with Dems any chance they can.

It’s amazingly difficult to do any sort of sustained message with that kind of environment to begin with.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:53:15pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

When Pedants Attack!

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Its great. I’ve been enjoying Sabrina and Bojack Horseman too!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:54:44pm

re: #186 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Its great. I’ve been enjoying Sabrina and Bojack Horseman too!

Need to resume Bojack but I’m a fan. It’s got a lot of depth to it. Very well written too.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:55:21pm

2020: the year the Iowa caucus became non-viable.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:55:54pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:57:54pm

re: #189 Dread Pirate

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The presidency as we know it is finished.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 7:59:30pm

Lots of Trumpers are going all in:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:01:52pm

Yangings spring into action to support Bernie-conspiracies:

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:03:50pm

re: #152 NO SMOCKING GUN!

However lots of Ia winners have been nominees, and the February caucuses and primaries will decide who is viable in super tuesday other than bloomberg.

Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 43% success rate at predicting which Democratic candidate for president and a 50% success rate at predicting which Republican candidate for president will go on to win the nomination of their political party at that party’s national convention

In nearly half a century, only three contested Iowa caucus winners ever became President:
Jimmy Carter — 1976
George W. Bush — 2000
Barack Obama — 2008

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:04:51pm
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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:05:48pm

Explainer of caucuses thread:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:05:49pm

re: #193 BeachDem

Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 43% success rate at predicting which Democratic candidate for president and a 50% success rate at predicting which Republican candidate for president will go on to win the nomination of their political party at that party’s national convention

In nearly half a century, only three contested Iowa caucus winners ever became President:
Jimmy Carter — 1976
George W. Bush — 2000
Barack Obama — 2008

It’s an anti bellwether in otherwords.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:06:34pm

re: #191 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Lots of Trumpers are going all in:

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Definitely time to mention the 2017 or 2018 election in VA decided by drawing a name from a bowl.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:06:38pm

I’m sure that the Trump-Fox-propaganda machine is putting this meme on full blast:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:07:04pm

re: #194 jaunte

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:08:14pm

re: #193 BeachDem

Where did you get that data?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:09:45pm

re: #197 Belafon

Definitely time to mention the 2017 or 2018 election in VA decided by drawing a name from a bowl.

17 and it benefited the GOP. We didn’t like it but then we ended up taking the House of Delegates last year.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:10:19pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:11:03pm

re: #200 Belafon

Where did you get that data?

Should be on Wiki. Iowa really isn’t a bellwether for either party.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:11:12pm

Here’s the reality that all these conspiracy minded (Trumpers, Berners, etc.) don’t want to accept:

There is a manual count at each caucus. These are not secret. Indeed, the people whining about caucuses not being secret ought not be whining about a DNC coverup. You can’t be public in counting and covering up at the same time.

The app was intended to speed the process. But the counting is manual in each caucus.

The point of this caucus is to send delegates to the Iowa convention, not the national convention. By the time the Iowa convention comes around months from now, it may end up being different in results because of what happens to candidates between now and then.

So all this angst about the counting is really for nothing other than anti-Democratic party propaganda.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:13:44pm

re: #203 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Should be on Wiki. Iowa really isn’t a bellwether for either party.

Thanks, but now that I go to wikipedia, I see this:

Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 55% success rate at predicting which Democrat, and a 43% success rate at predicting which Republican will go on to win the nomination of their political party for president at that party’s national convention[

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:13:58pm
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Florida Panhandler  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:16:33pm

re: #127 Dread Pirate

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It is a common misconception amongst “normal” people that if given enough money into the many $$$ Billions, a person will decide that it is enough already and dedicate themselves to helping other people.

As proven by Trump and many others, it is a lie. For these types of people, enough is never enough.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:16:58pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:17:46pm

re: #205 Belafon

Thanks, but now that I go to wikipedia, I see this:

Yeah it’s 50-50.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:18:25pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:18:28pm

re: #208 Sherlock Hound

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I really hope we abolish them once and for all.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:20:17pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:20:28pm

Amy Klobuchar giving a speech while there are still people awake. Smart.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:20:38pm

re: #172 jaunte

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The Trump Effect goes international.

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Interesting Times  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:20:41pm

Same:

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:21:56pm

re: #215 Interesting Times

We can’t even all agree here that caucuses are bad. Imagine 300+M people deciding.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:22:05pm

re: #215 Interesting Times

Same:

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Yeah I’m there with him.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:23:43pm

i think the groundhog has done seen his shadow here

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:24:19pm

I smell borscht. “Last year?” (No caucus last year.)

Twitter apparently has a new reporting procedure for reporting electoral lies. I suggest the Twitterati take a cactus to the orifices of this person’s account.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:24:35pm

re: #206 Ace-o-aces

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Yeah that dude is the last who should be saying anything.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:26:05pm

re: #205 Belafon

Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 55% success rate at predicting which Democrat

so, nobody then

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:27:07pm

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Done! Smells like a ratfucker, all right!

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Weaselone  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:28:35pm

I’m going to go out on the limb and say that the reason for the delay is because there’s a sizable difference in the results of entrance polls, percentage of votes received and delegates actually awarded because.

1. There were 5 candidates (Buttigieg, Biden, Warren, Bernie and Klobuchar) with entrance poll numbers that suggested they would meet the viability threshold of 15% in a sizable amount of precincts.
2. Entrance polls showed these candidates with from 14%-23% of the vote. With the 15% threshold there’s not a lot of a safety margin, particularly if a candidate’s voters are concentrated in certain precincts.
3. Entrance polls show some candidates with significant strengths with some groups of voters and weaknesses with others. Biden for example is strong with the 65+ group, weak with the youth vote will Bernie is the opposite.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:29:41pm

Klobuchar being smart; came out to give a speech and is being carried live because there is nothing else to report except the app to be used for caucus reporting didn’t work. Sounds like Warren is getting ready to follow her lead.

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Interesting Times  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:30:09pm

Ha (would still be a better president than trump tho):

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:31:15pm

On MSNBC they are reporting both the reporting ap and the phone in process for reporting results are a disaster. One saying he has been on hold for 2 hours trying to report his precinct.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:31:22pm

re: #198 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’m sure that the Trump-Fox-propaganda machine is putting this meme on full blast:

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And then there are Republican caucuses:

In 2012, the Republican caucus was heavily contested between several challengers. Initial results reported that Mitt Romney beat out Rick Santorum by just 8 votes, but when the final results came out two weeks later Rick Santorum secured the victory over Romney by a margin of 34 votes with Ron Paul in a strong 3rd. Results were certified by the Caucus, but not by the Republican party, who declared it a split decision due to missing reports from 8 precincts, but who later certified the caucus as a win for Santorum. The caucus winner changed yet again when the Iowa delegate totals were finally determined giving Ron Paul the win along with several other states that same weekend.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:32:57pm

R. A. T. T. F. U. C. K.

ratfucked

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:33:15pm

More information from the Iowa Democratic Communications Director Mandy McClure: “We found inconsistencies in the reporting of three sets of results. In addition to the tech systems being used to tabulate results, we are also using photos of results and a paper trail to validate that all results match and ensure that we have confidence and accuracy in the numbers we report. This is simply a reporting issue, the app did not go down and this is not a hack or an intrusion. The underlying data and paper trail is sound and will simply take time to further report the results.”

And with that, I’m going to hit the sack. G’nite, lizards.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:33:34pm

Berniebots are in full disinformation mode with the rigged results claim…marching lockstep with the Putinbots, FAUX and the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine…honestly getting sick of them…

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:34:03pm

re: #200 Belafon

Where did you get that data?

veteransview.com

minnesota.cbslocal.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:34:19pm

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’ve come round on Twitter to a different position than “boycott it.” (I still won’t go on Twitter myself.)

It seems unlikely it’s going to go away any time soon, so a more pragmatic approach would be to pressure Twitter to enforce its own terms of service, and impose regulations on social media companies’ use of data at the federal level.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:34:43pm

Iowa caucuses making a great case for eliminating the Iowa caucuses.

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danarchy  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:35:14pm

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I smell borscht. “Last year?” (No caucus last year.)

Twitter apparently has a new reporting procedure for reporting electoral lies. I suggest the Twitterati take a cactus to the orifices of this person’s account.

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Just heard this same thing on TV but with one minor difference. They said this time last election, not last year.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:35:15pm

re: #230 Joe Bacon 🌹

Berniebots are in full disinformation mode with the rigged results claim…marching lockstep with the Putinbots, FAUX and the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine…honestly getting sick of them…

Putin always was playing both sides. It’s heartbreaking to me that so many young people are gullible to it.

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:36:44pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:36:53pm

re: #230 Joe Bacon 🌹

My wife and I listened to the Utah Outcasts podcast with you on it last night. You seem to be settling in with the hosts quite nicely there.

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:37:23pm
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:37:29pm

re: #235 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Putin always was playing both sides. It’s heartbreaking to me that so many young people are gullible to it.

The ones who freak out are a small number. Most are going to be like the rest of us: back our candidate and vote for the Democratic nominee.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:37:58pm

re: #235 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Putin always was playing both sides. It’s heartbreaking to me that so many young people are gullible to it.

Lack of experience in politics is probably a large part of it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:38:31pm

re: #238 gocart mozart

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Lovely.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:39:05pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Lack of experience in politics is probably a large part of it.

No shit. That doesn’t change my frustration.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:39:07pm

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Twitter was weaponized very early in its life. Now, we’re stuck in using it as such to counter the idiocy?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:40:01pm

re: #239 Belafon

The ones who freak out are a small number. Most are going to be like the rest of us: back our candidate and vote for the Democratic nominee.

Oh yeah, it’s just going to be exhausting dealing with those who deal in bad faith.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:40:47pm

re: #236 gocart mozart

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danarchy  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:41:14pm

re: #213 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Amy Klobuchar giving a speech while there are still people awake. Smart.

Smarter is that she did it while all of the news stations were dying for content so they all ran it in it’s entirety. Then Warren and Biden came out after at about the same time and ended up splitting coverage.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:41:25pm

re: #243 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Twitter was weaponized very early in its life. Now, we’re stuck in using it as such to counter the idiocy?

Well, any new technology will be weaponised as soon as it can be.

I wonder how long it was after the telephone was invented before politicos and telemarketers came about?

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:42:38pm

re: #238 gocart mozart

Antifa has meetings? One more reason not to belong. It’s like atheist meetings, my whole purpose in being an atheist is avoiding weekly meetings.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:43:00pm

Trumpers are ablaze on Twitter, with false concern for Bernie.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:43:16pm

re: #238 gocart mozart

Antifascists are all Sanders supporters? That’s news to antifascists.

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CarolJ  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:43:27pm

It seems like caucuses are like communes: they only work with relatively small and intimate groups of people, where people can talk out their differences in a leisurely way.
For politics, it might not be bad for intra-party positions like Party Chairman, precinct captain, Party Treasurer or Secretary. It might not be bad for a town with say, 100 people eligible to vote.

The people involved here would all be well-informed Party insiders and the voting pool is probably mostly under 500 people.

It would be like my Condo Association: everybody knows everybody.

These people have the time to sort it out leisurely, being professional/semi-professional politicians.

The Iowa Caucus, even at the reduced numbers from 2008, are too large and non-diverse for this to work anymore. Once it might have been leisurely meetings of otherwise house-bound farmers who didn’t have to report to a boss, now it’s frazzled suburbanites who have to make it home in time to go to work.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:43:33pm

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, any new technology will be weaponised as soon as it can be.

I wonder how long it was after the telephone was invented before politicos and telemarketers came about?

I’m pretty sure the person whose phone number was 2 was a GOP push poller.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:44:25pm

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife and I listened to the Utah Outcasts podcast with you on it last night. You seem to be settling in with the hosts quite nicely there.

Fella I had a real bad week. X and I had a long talk about it. Glad he was letting me vent. Also bad news from Dr. Had a biopsy today and another specialist on Tuesday with another followup with a surgeon on Thursday. Glad that they let me decompress.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:45:35pm

Ames is a university town… so Bernie not getting anything in that caucus is pretty surprising.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:45:43pm

re: #253 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fella I had a real bad week. X and I had a long talk about it. Glad he was letting me vent. Also bad news from Dr. Had a biopsy today and another specialist on Tuesday with another followup with a surgeon on Thursday. Glad that they let me decompress.

I hope things go well with your doc.

X and Kyle may be bitingly snarky, but they are also compassionate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:46:15pm
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:46:23pm

re: #254 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Ames is a university town… so Bernie not getting anything in that caucus is pretty surprising.

That’s Iowa State. Interesting.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:47:15pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

What was #153,890,563,267,502?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:47:41pm

re: #252 Belafon

I’m pretty sure the person whose phone number was 2 was a GOP push poller.

LOL, growing up my phone number was 12. (One long ring, two short rings. Party lines for the win.)

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:49:43pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:50:50pm

re: #258 Belafon

What was #153,890,563,267,502?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:51:04pm

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:51:15pm

Results are not in, but Bernie is holding a victory party anyway:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:51:24pm

re: #260 jaunte

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Regardless of what happens in November, these are dark times.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:51:44pm

In the 2014 election for village board here, the uber-conservative gun shop owner tied with a slacktavist candidate. The election was decided by a cut of a deck of cards. (The state constitution says ties will be decided by lot.)

There is nothing special about this.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:51:47pm

re: #253 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fella I had a real bad week. X and I had a long talk about it. Glad he was letting me vent. Also bad news from Dr. Had a biopsy today and another specialist on Tuesday with another followup with a surgeon on Thursday. Glad that they let me decompress.

Really sorry to see that, hoping better news to follow.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:53:34pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:54:18pm

re: #267 Belafon

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Well impeachment I’m sure.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:55:04pm

re: #261 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Reminds me of the failure of Romney’s ap election day 2012.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:55:17pm

re: #262 Joe Bacon 🌹

/YDg7Yfxif5L1FQuaaWzK4IGDMXmO554KK54h1xuVX9Oz0XfOcuWoSyPXmwPFLJdaH1qH3oGtNDmCFTHYFvo6c/wM2zL1JCY1zVhtBwm+t5XmlHA5VR1toJLfzO0nhLS6Q1pzAK2qe/WG6dfeIHkUsOQbo+KVHGdzbYICSUDiV06yIQzDljX4WYl1qJiFRcfdulDryEcZHAfpiRE9wx4VP+MAtKXEPGJUwlkFlmeFt1WWVaE0PrtUQ==

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danarchy  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:55:56pm

re: #267 Belafon

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I wonder if that has anything to do with something else going on in DC last week.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:56:48pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:58:08pm

If tonight results in the end of Iowa caucuses, at least something was accomplished. But it probably won’t even do that.

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:58:15pm

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, any new technology will be weaponised as soon as it can be.

I wonder how long it was after the telephone was invented before politicos and telemarketers came about?

usually porn before weaponization… (polaroid photos? videotape cassettes? photos on your phone? — don’t tell me weaponizing these technologies pre-dates pornifying them)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 8:59:45pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:00:20pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:00:55pm

re: #272 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Oh, yes Obama’s huge advocacy of Perez. Really fuck these people. They’re not democratic socialists, they’re authoritarian. If they don’t get their way, it’s a conspiracy. Maybe actually learn about the nominating process but nah that would involve actually looking at the fact that this isn’t some dumb game where the person who makes the most ambitious promises is presidential.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:01:09pm

re: #276 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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The $¢ientologi$t just had to chime in with more Republican propaganda…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:01:32pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:02:47pm
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CarolJ  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:03:17pm

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, any new technology will be weaponised as soon as it can be.

I wonder how long it was after the telephone was invented before politicos and telemarketers came about?

Probably telemarketers came first. Early adopters are usually rich folks. Also every new gadget comes with things that are designed to enhance the experience. Telephones with different colors, longer cords, that sort of thing.

Later politicians calling up people for donations.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:03:21pm

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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I love how Bloomberg kicks Trump in the nuts every second and he won’t back down.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:03:23pm

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Bloomy’s a good baiter I will give him that. Low on my list tho.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:03:48pm
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:04:06pm

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Gotta give Bloomberg props, he knows which of Trump’s buttons to push: All of them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:04:44pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:04:45pm
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:05:05pm

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹🎃

But accuracy means vote rigging according to the bots.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:06:43pm

the app “failed”. the phone system “failed”

i still sez RATFUCKED

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:08:19pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:08:50pm

Whatever the final count, right now it looks like the only real news (not the propaganda from mindless Trumpers and Berners and Yanglings…) is that if Biden doesn’t place first or second then one can indeed ask if he has the pull that people have thought all along.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:08:51pm
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bratwurst  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:11:04pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:11:37pm

David Nir just posts on Daily Kos:

It’s evident at this point that we will not see anything approaching reliable, accurate results of Iowa’s 2020 Democratic caucuses tonight, so in an unprecedented move, we are cancelling this liveblog. We’ll check back in on Tuesday morning once we—hopefully—know more. But at the very least, this episode should spell the permanent end of all caucuses

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:11:42pm

re: #289 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the app “failed”. the phone system “failed”

i still sez RATFUCKED

Phone systems never fail in the north central states in winter. That’s just crazy talk, it must be a conspiracy. /s

(My town’s phones were out most of yesterday.)

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:13:06pm

Translated headline: “Iowa Caucus: Waiting For Winner, Democratic Party Is Loser”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:13:28pm

re: #295 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Phone systems never fail in the north central states in winter. That’s just crazy talk, it must be a conspiracy. /s

(My town’s phones were out most of yesterday.)

Not to mention, they’re all probably using cell phones for the calls

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:13:46pm

Interestingly, last night my wife was watching a YouTube video, and CBS put up an advert, which was the entire first episode of Star Trek: Picard. (I guess the idea is to pique interest in signing up for their streaming service.)

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:14:08pm

re: #297 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Not to mention, they’re all probably using cell phones for the calls

They should be using ham radios. /

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:14:54pm

Meanwhile Washington Post shows Trump got 97.1% of Iowa GOP caucus goers. Bill Weld and Joe Walsh each got slightly more than 1%…

washingtonpost.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:15:01pm

re: #299 Belafon

They should be using ham radios. /

I imagine there are large portions of Iowa were there is no cell service, just like here.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:15:21pm

re: #299 Belafon

They should be using ham radios. /

Semaphore flags

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:15:54pm

re: #300 Joe Bacon 🌹

“In a stunning upset, Donald Trump wins the GOP caucus in Iowa by the narrowest of margins.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:16:09pm

apparently the iowa cock-up is turning into an entire democratic convention

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:17:51pm

I for one am sick of conspiracy theory hot takes based on no evidence. People want our futuristic society but then we act shocked when it’s imperfect. This caucus was never going to be a huge determining factor in who the nominee will be.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:18:46pm

re: #297 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Not to mention, they’re all probably using cell phones for the calls

Which are completely reliable when many phones are active in a small area, excuse me, the many multitudes of small areas that make up Iowa.
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mmmirele  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:19:46pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Interestingly, last night my wife was watching a YouTube video, and CBS put up an advert, which was the entire first episode of Star Trek: Picard. (I guess the idea is to pique interest in signing up for their streaming service.)

Did she watch it? Was it any good?

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CarolJ  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:19:56pm

re: #300 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not surprising. In a situation where there’s an incumbent President, the only people motivated to come to something like this are the party very faithful and the reason would be to mostly select delegates and conduct other party business on the side.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:20:09pm

re: #295 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Phone systems never fail in the north central states in winter. That’s just crazy talk, it must be a conspiracy. /s

(My town’s phones were out most of yesterday.)

if you say so, but you guys in these north central states must be having a very different experience of technology in the 21st century than we are out here in norcal

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:20:48pm

re: #296 Sherlock Hound

People running shows for ad dollars are very disappointed in the Iowa Show.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:21:01pm

re: #307 mmmirele

Did she watch it? Was it any good?

We both watched it and thought it was pretty good. That said, we’re not going to sign up for CBS all-access. If we signed up for each streaming service that had one good show on it, we’d owe more money than Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:22:32pm

re: #309 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if you say so, but you guys in these north central states must be having a very different experience of technology in the 21st century than we are out here in norcal

I dunno about Iowa but here in Va, we’ve tried making broadband expansion in rural areas an issue. Sounds like a modern version of the Clayian Internal Improvements. Don’t know about cell phone access connectivity tho.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:23:12pm

re: #309 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if you say so, but you guys in these north central states must be having a very different experience of technology in the 21st century than we are out here in norcal

We do. Most of my area is not covered with cell service. Internet service costs a fantastic amount of money for poor service.

Because most touch-tone telephones require electricity to run, there’s a reason most everyone in town has a dial telephone on at least one inside line. (We only have one line.)

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:23:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:26:00pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:26:17pm

Mayor Pete declaring victory, and why not?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:26:55pm

re: #312 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

re: #313 Anymouse 🌹🎃

geez, i had no idea

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Mattand  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:27:53pm

re: #307 mmmirele

Did she watch it? Was it any good?

Saw it Friday on the free YouTube stream. I thought it was fantastic. One of the best looking TV shows I’ve ever seen, let alone a Star Trek episode.

re: #311 Anymouse 🌹🎃

We both watched it and thought it was pretty good. That said, we’re not going to sign up for CBS all-access. If we signed up for each streaming service that had one good show on it, we’d owe more money than Trump.

During Xmas week, I binged both Watchmen and Westworld Season 2 with a free HBO week via Amazon Prime. A week later, we binged The Mandalorian with the free week for Disney+.

Sticking with the theme, we’re going to wait until all of Picard is released and probably binge that with the free week.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:28:04pm

Holy invasion of privacy Batman.

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:28:52pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:30:12pm

re: #317 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

geez, i had no idea

It’s good for me where I am but I used to write a small business newsletter that my attorney did pro bono when I was a paralegal. I had to look up legislation that impacted small businesses. One of em was rural broadband expansion.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:32:36pm

re: #319 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I wouldn’t come within 10cm of those.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:32:53pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:33:38pm

re: #314 jaunte

That became true a while back, but even more so now. And the networks do this because… it bring ratings. People want drama, hence “reality TV” being more made up than real (because real life more often than not is boring.)

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unproven innocence  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:35:02pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Interestingly, last night my wife was watching a YouTube video, and CBS put up an advert, which was the entire first episode of Star Trek: Picard. (I guess the idea is to pique interest in signing up for their streaming service.)

I watched it last month. Awsome.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:35:28pm

re: #324 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

That became true a while back, but even more so now. And the networks do this because… it bring ratings. People want drama, hence “reality TV” being more made up than real (because real life more often than not is boring.)

The reality tving of the presidency happened.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:35:32pm

Caucuses are party functions, not state functions. So the Iowa SoS doesn’t have to do anything, hence no costs incurred to the state of Iowa.

Moving to a primary that is run by the SoS means the parties have to pay… or it would be legislated from the treasury by the Iowa legislature.

Anyway, I do wish all the states would move to (closed) primaries.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:35:41pm

re: #319 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Holy invasion of privacy Batman.

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It seems the company has been doing this in part to combat counterfeits. It’s also get a short range, about 4 inches. And, given the way my work badge acts, that will degrade pretty quickly.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:36:43pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹🎃

After the first two episodes, I much more like ST:Picard than ST:Discovery. Patrick Stewart is still the best ST actor.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:37:58pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:38:36pm

Berniebots spreading this all over Facebook…

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:39:59pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:40:50pm

re: #331 Joe Bacon 🌹

Berniebots spreading this all over Facebook…

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It’s always a conspiracy with these fools. Makes sense given Vlad’s divide and conquer game.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:41:38pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:42:51pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:43:09pm

re: #332 jaunte

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Yeah because the 2000 election never happened. But oh no we don’t immediately know the results of the Iowa Caucus- a state whose demographics don’t reflect our party let alone nation as a whole is somehow the worst thing ever. I really don’t know what the fuck happened to this country in 2016 but I want to wake up.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:43:36pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:43:44pm

re: #335 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Good. It’s undemocratic and backwards.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:44:29pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:44:50pm

re: #337 Belafon

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We say we want immediate health care reform and then we get scared by ads. See 1994 and 2010.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:45:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:47:04pm

re: #340 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We say we want immediate health care reform and then we get scared by ads. See 1994 and 2010.

If you are elderly, or you have no health insurance, health care becomes a more immediate concern than climate action.

You can’t fight for climate action if you’re dead.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:47:13pm

re: #340 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We say we want immediate health care reform and then we get scared by ads. See 1994 and 2010.

There will be no M4A. It will take a miracle to get a public option. Most likely is either tweaks to ACA if Democrats control Senate, or nothing at all.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:47:23pm

re: #341 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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This is why we didn’t need to force Beto to run again. Hegar is a great candidate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:48:24pm

re: #329 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

After the first two episodes, I much more like ST:Picard than ST:Discovery. Patrick Stewart is still the best ST actor.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:49:18pm
The median age in Iowa is 38 years of age. The gender ratio is approximately 50.3% female and 49.7% male.

In religious terms, Iowa shows its general preferences with 77% Christian based faith, 1% non-Christian based faiths, and 21% of the population identifying as non-affiliated with any religion.

worldpopulationreview.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:49:22pm

re: #343 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There will be no M4A. It will take a miracle to get a public option. Most likely is either tweaks to ACA if Democrats control Senate, or nothing at all.

Exactly. I’m sorry it’s like we completely forget how ACA was a fight even with more optimal Congressional conditions. I really wish the super idealistic on health care would get this.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:49:57pm

Ia Dem Party hung up on a conference call with campaigns which got “heated” according to MSNBC.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:50:40pm

re: #348 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Ia Dem Party hung up on a conference call with campaigns which got “heated” according to MSNBC.

God what a disaster.

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danarchy  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:50:41pm

re: #337 Belafon

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All due respect to his 11 year old, worrying about untreated diabetes may be slighlty more pressing to an individual than what may happen decades down the line.

Not that they aren’t both important, but you gotta triage.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:52:20pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:52:51pm

re: #342 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If you are elderly, or you have no health insurance, health care becomes a more immediate concern than climate action.

You can’t fight for climate action if you’re dead.

I’m talking about expecting us to completely overhaul our health care system with a divided Congress is a recipe to get us nothing at all. I remember vividly how ACA was portrayed. Btw fighting for climate action also is a health issue.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:53:53pm

re: #351 Belafon

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The Twitter universe is nuts.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:54:28pm

re: #350 danarchy

All due respect to his 11 year old, worrying about untreated diabetes may be slighlty more pressing to an individual than what may happen decades down the line.

Not that they aren’t both important, but you gotta triage.

And I’m sure the point is the individual versus life on the planet as a whole.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:54:39pm

MSNBC reporting app was released only a couple of days ago. No testing; didn’t work.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:55:01pm

re: #345 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I didn’t say Picard was the best character in all of ST. I find the character a bit … not really that interesting. But Stewart is very good at bringing real dramatic acting to the screen, unlike so many in the ST pantheon of actors.

In regards to characters, I think the most interesting is Spock. Data is also engaging as a character.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:57:21pm

re: #351 Belafon

Did the Sanders campaign ask for it? Or was it one of the others?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:57:59pm

re: #350 danarchy

All due respect to his 11 year old, worrying about untreated diabetes may be slighlty more pressing to an individual than what may happen decades down the line.

Not that they aren’t both important, but you gotta triage.

And if he had some sort of health disaster, he can’t care for his eleven year-old.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 9:59:56pm
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uriel  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:00:10pm

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’ve come round on Twitter to a different position than “boycott it.” (I still won’t go on Twitter myself.)

It seems unlikely it’s going to go away any time soon, so a more pragmatic approach would be to pressure Twitter to enforce its own terms of service, and impose regulations on social media companies’ use of data at the federal level.

I was wondering about that. ;)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:01:14pm

re: #358 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And if he had some sort of health disaster, he can’t care for his eleven year-old.

God all the Senator is saying is people should care more about this issue. Given the rise in natural disasters and climate change’s collective change on all of us. It would be nice if we valued it especially since last I saw withdrawal from Paris was a mistake. He didn’t say we shouldn’t value better health care.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:01:48pm

re: #359 Belafon

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Yep and the jackals still push conspiracy theories.

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danarchy  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:01:50pm

OT - how many damn awards shows does the entertainment industry need. Golden Globes, SAG, BAFTA, Oscars, Emmy’s, People’s Choice…

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:02:09pm
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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:02:51pm

re: #363 danarchy

Think of all the stars who participate for free.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:03:28pm

Almost as cheap to produce as reality tv.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:04:38pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:04:42pm

re: #361 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

God all the Senator is saying is people should care more about this issue. Given the rise in natural disasters and climate change’s collective change on all of us. It would be nice if we valued it especially since last I saw withdrawal from Paris was a mistake. He didn’t say we shouldn’t value better health care.

We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:06:07pm

re: #367 Belafon

Is there chocolate in there, or is that a way for him to hide booze?

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:06:52pm

re: #367 Belafon

That’s a bourbon face.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:07:04pm

re: #368 Anymouse 🌹🎃

We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

You’re talking about a child’s reaction to the lack of interest in what he sees as the most important issue of the day. Of course, we can do both. I’m saying I get Sen Murphy’s son frustration on this issue because this is an issue that we need to do better on.

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danarchy  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:08:32pm

re: #369 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Is there chocolate in there, or is that a way for him to hide booze?

Aren’t there more inconspicuous ways to hide your alcohol?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:14:30pm

re: #359 Belafon

Tons of Bernie fans on that CBS tweet calling CBS liars.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:14:47pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:14:58pm

curiously, the cock-up worked dramatically in the democratic party’s favor, since it allowed all the candidates to look good - nobody had to eat shit and everybody could give a victory speech

also, it’s added a lot of drama to the whole thing that has grabbed everybody’s attention

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:16:25pm

re: #373 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Tons of Bernie fans on that CBS tweet calling CBS liars.

They’re going to look really stupid if Bernie ends up winning or in second place but they need their perpetual victim complex.

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danarchy  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:18:22pm

re: #375 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

curiously, the cock-up worked dramatically in the democratic party’s favor, since it allowed all the candidates to look good - nobody had to eat shit and everybody could give a victory speech

also, it’s added a lot of drama to the whole thing that has grabbed everybody’s attention

I listened to several of them and most of them were hedging, but Buttigieg basically declared victory. It was a pretty bold speech and if he doesn’t come in near the top, he is gonna look like an idiot.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:20:53pm

re: #371 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You’re talking about a child’s reaction to the lack of interest in what he sees as the most important issue of the day. Of course, we can do both. I’m saying I get Sen Murphy’s son frustration on this issue because this is an issue that we need to do better on.

And for an eleven year old who’s paying that much attention, climate change is his health care issue.

Grammar fix.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:22:11pm

wtkr.com

58-year-old Rodney Dean Luffman was arrested in North Carolina and charged with 115
felony sex counts. (80 for “indecent liberties” and 35 for “sexual offenses.) His victims range from the ages of 4 to 16. The criminal acts had allegedly occurred for a span of 15 years, between 2000 and 2015. He is a Christian pastor at Open Arms Outreach Ministries, a “Sin Condemning” church that believes in church/state separation.

(When he refers to church/state separation, he’s of the opinion secular police should not be able to investigate churches for crimes.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:22:52pm

re: #378 Belafon

And for an eleven year old whose paying that much attention, climate change is his health care issue.

Yep. That the kid is engaged is a good thing. I certainly wasn’t. Granted a Senator wasn’t my Dad but this is an issue for that generation.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:23:57pm

re: #373 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Tons of Bernie fans on that CBS tweet calling CBS liars.

This looks exactly like trying to make changes to poorly maintained source code. Just because you might think you have a fix, doesn’t mean it will work. You might just introduce more bugs, or expose more problems that exist but weren’t being used.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:29:04pm
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PrairieQueen  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:30:24pm

Bernie has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. On his best day this guy wouldn’t win an arm wrestling contest with Mr.Burns from the Simpsons, and he’s the crazy uncle to boot. I wish to hell he’d drop out and stop splitting the momentum of the Democratic party in general, but he’s too gd nuts to do that.

In the short round Bernie still comes in #2, and #2 doesn’t win.

This is all so disheartening.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:34:04pm

re: #383 PrairieQueen

Well, as one wag posted to Leah McElrath’s Twitter feed:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:34:05pm

re: #383 PrairieQueen

Bernie has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. On his best day this guy wouldn’t win an arm wrestling contest with Mr.Burns from the Simpsons, and he’s the crazy uncle to boot. I wish to hell he’d drop out and stop splitting the momentum of the Democratic party in general, but he’s too gd nuts to do that.

In the short round Bernie still comes in #2, and #2 doesn’t win.

This is all so disheartening.

He graduated from high school in the Eisenhower years yet his guys are the first to Ok Boomer you. I do not like the idea of a 80 year old President elect with no ties to established executive branches and who surrounds himself with people who worship him.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:37:12pm

Talk about swinging:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:37:21pm

I’m going to log out; I have a migraine which feels like I have an awl in my left temple, my left eye’s sight is dimmed to near zero, and my inner left ear hurts like the devil.

(This is normal for me, there is nothing to worry about.)

I’ll catch y’all later; thanks for putting up with me.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:39:21pm

re: #385 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He graduated from high school in the Eisenhower years yet his guys are the first to Ok Boomer you. I do not like the idea of a 80 year old President elect with no ties to established executive branches and who surrounds himself with people who worship him.

It’s a personality cult, much like the personality cult that surrounds Trump. Nonetheless, if Bernie does indeed end up being the Democratic nominee by some fluke of history, I will hold my nose and vote for him.

And if he does end up as the Democratic party nominee, he definitely needs to find a considerably younger VP nominee - given the fact that he’s an octogenarian and the issues that go along with that (no offense to any octogenarians here).

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:40:40pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:41:32pm

re: #388 Dr Lizardo

It’s personality cult, much like the personality cult that surrounds Trump. Nonetheless, if Bernie does indeed end up being the Democratic nominee by some fluke of history, I will hold my nose and vote for him.

And if he does end up as the Democratic party nominee, he definitely needs to find a considerably younger VP nominee - given the fact that he’s an octogenarian and the issues that along with that (no offense to any octogenarians here).

He definitely does and he shouldn’t be afraid to listen to the establishment people. If he’s the nominee and president, it’s going to be a huge leap for him. He’s going to have to bring a lot of people together.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:43:23pm

re: #389 Dread Pirate

I’ve seen that film, and yes, it’s creepy and occasionally genuinely disturbing; it’s also a masterclass in acting from Dafoe and Pattinson - and I must say, I honestly didn’t know that Pattinson had the acting chops that he does….I was impressed with his performance.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:48:06pm

re: #390 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He definitely does and he shouldn’t be afraid to listen to the establishment people. If he’s the nominee and president, it’s going to be a huge leap for him. He’s going to have to bring a lot of people together.

He’s always positioned himself as an “outsider” or “anti-establishment”, which is more than a little ironic considering he’s been in the Congress (as both representative and senator) since 1991.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:49:08pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:52:18pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:52:22pm

re: #392 Dr Lizardo

He’s always positioned himself as an “outsider” or “anti-establishment”, which is more than a little ironic considering he’s been in the Congress (as both representative and senator) since 1991.

Backbenchers like him and Ron Paul aren’t leaders. I have no idea why so many young people for fall for these types. I can find myself agreeing with a lot of what Bernie says but questioning how effective he’d be.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2020 • 10:57:47pm

re: #395 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Backbenchers like him and Ron Paul aren’t leaders. I have no idea why so many young people for fall for these types. I can find myself agreeing with a lot of what Bernie says but questioning how effective he’d be.

I’m in the same boat - there’s a lot of things Bernie says that I agree with, and I will say, he’s certainly spry for his age (he somehow looks younger than Trump, LOL) but like you, I question his effectiveness if he were to become President.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:01:42pm

re: #396 Dr Lizardo

I’m in the same boat - there’s a lot of things Bernie says that I agree with, and I will say, he’s certainly spry for his age (he somehow looks younger than Trump, LOL) but like you, I question his effectiveness if he were to become President.

Yeah. I just don’t see how he’s going to work with Congress. Now he could do some things via EO but we’re already worried about too powerful executives. I just wish people saw that just because you have a nice voting record doesn’t make you presidential.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:02:47pm

More “rigged” conspiracies for Bernie and his supporters to latch on to. Great. Just great.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:05:23pm

re: #397 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah. I just don’t see how he’s going to work with Congress. Now he could do some things via EO but we’re already worried about too powerful executives. I just wish people saw that just because you have a nice voting record doesn’t make you presidential.

If Sanders was working with a Democratic-held House and Senate, granted, he could probably get some things done…..but it most certainly wouldn’t be some kind of cakewalk like the BernieBros think. And yes, there are some things he could accomplish with Executive Orders, but the problem there is that EO’s can be all too easily undone. Legislation is how you accomplish meaningful change, not by issuing endless EO’s.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:05:31pm

Those aren’t glaciers, they’re ice shelfs. CNN is going for the demographic of, and getting as stupid as, fox news.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:05:46pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:10:33pm

re: #399 Dr Lizardo

If Sanders was working with a Democratic-held House and Senate, granted, he could probably get some things done…..but it most certainly wouldn’t be some kind of cakewalk like the BernieBros think. And yes, there are some things he could accomplish with Executive Orders, but the problem there is that EO’s can be all too easily undone. Legislation is how you accomplish meaningful change, not by issuing endless EO’s.

Exactly but telling that to the Bros is like talking to a wall. I like some of what Bernie offers. I find the country’s ignorance about the difference between Marxism and Leninism frustrating but acting like Bernie is a savior isn’t helpful to their cause or Bernie himself.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:16:41pm
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CleverToad  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:17:05pm

re: #350 danarchy

All due respect to his 11 year old, worrying about untreated diabetes may be slighlty more pressing to an individual than what may happen decades down the line.

Not that they aren’t both important, but you gotta triage.

Both are important, and yes, a vulnerable individual in need of affordable care is likely to rank that as their first concern. But with respect due to all of our 11-year-olds, can we stop saying “decades down the line” in any discussion of climate change? It’s flipping here and very much now, and just as pressing.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:23:13pm

So, poking around the Internet and I see they’re thinking about a fifth Indiana Jones film - I wonder what they’re gonna call it.

Indiana Jones and the Kids Who Won’t Stay Off My Goddamn Lawn?

After the cinematic embarrassment that was Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I think it’s time to retire the Indiana Jones franchise once and for all (and they should’ve let it go after Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, which served as a nice way to wrap up the series, ending on a high note).

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:31:04pm
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:39:54pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:42:41pm

re: #405 Dr Lizardo

They’ll remake the Indiana Jones movies… but with a new actor.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:45:59pm

re: #408 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

They’ll remake the Indiana Jones movies… but with a new actor.

From what I read, the idea is that Harrison Ford will return as Indy. It’s not a reboot, apparently.

Harrison Ford is 77 years old.

Hollywood producer Kathleen Kennedy received the BAFTA Fellowship Award, the ceremony’s version of a lifetime achievement award, during the 73rd British Academy Film Awards yesterday in London. During an interview with BBC, Kennedy, who co-founded Amblin Entertainment with Steven Spielberg and Frank Marshall and has been the president of Lucasfilm since 2012, spoke about the current status of the upcoming Indiana Jones project, confirming that Indiana Jones 5 will be a continuation of the story.

“We’re working away, getting the script where we want it to be and then we’ll be ready to go,” Kathleen said of the Indiana Jones film. “Harrison Ford will be involved… It’s not a reboot. It’s a continuation.” Kennedy added that Ford “can’t wait” to get started on the movie.

comingsoon.net

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PrairieQueen  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:47:04pm

re: #402 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Anything that smells like a socialism is going to be a deal-killer for the non GOP nominee. Even if that’s where they ultimately come from, endless talk of how government programs can be funded will be very easily turned into ammunition from the GOP. That’s one of Warren’s biggest pitfalls - she doesn’t ‘get’ what a turnoff this is to scores of Fox News watchers, The Olds, and working people paying bills. It doesn’t convert those voters, isn’t going to - it only re-affirms their belief that Dems are going to cost them money. And the weird thing is, even though the effect this kind of idealistic free money thing is obvious, it’s like the Dems are so compulsive they can’t shut up about it; they can’t stop unselling themselves. If they honestly felt they were the best thing for the country, they’d take heed and repackage their bullshit.

Bernie’s too old and crazy, Uncle Joe needs some kind of protective barrier to keep his foot out of his mouth, and Warren needs a makeover to look and sound more appealing. As they are, I don’t think any of them is a #1.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2020 • 11:54:06pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 4, 2020 • 12:00:40am

CNN - Iowa Democratic vote-reporting meltdown hands opening to Trump

The Democratic 2020 crusade to oust President Donald Trump could not have got off to a more disastrous and embarrassing start.
The party couldn’t even deliver a first-in-the-nation election night winner after a vote-reporting debacle in Iowa — where candidates spent months and millions of dollars vying for a glittering opening prize in their nominating duel.
“Iowa, you have shocked the nation failed this city,” said former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg Oliver Queen, the Arrow.

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fern01  Feb 4, 2020 • 12:06:42am

re: #331 Joe Bacon 🌹

Berniebots spreading this all over Facebook…

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Will they never stop - he will not be the nominee - so will they allow trump to win again?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 4, 2020 • 12:14:40am

Mercenary ‘Mad Mike’ Hoare dies aged 100
An interesting and complex story, “Mad Mike’s” fearsome international reputation was largely a result of backfiring communist propaganda. He was a South African accountant and war veteran who was hired by his friend, Congolese prime minister Moise Tshombe, to organize a group of contract soldiers to suppress the so-called Simba rebellion in 1964. Hoare had been only peripherally involved with the much larger, and more controversial, mercenary operations during Tshombe’s earlier adventure as leader of the secessionist Katanga province in 1960-61. Hoare’s organization, dubbed 5 Commando of the Congolese National Army, was notably successful, partly because his accounting and business skills allowed him to keep a tight lid on costs and personnel selection. East German radio, which noisily supported the Simbas despite their lack of correct communist discipline, dubbed him “that mad bloodhound, Hoare,” a label which delighted Hoare and eventually became famous as “Mad Mike.”
His career ended in embarrassment in 1981, when he and his men failed in an attempt to overthrow the government of the Seychelles and escaped to South Africa by hijacking an Air India plane. They were charged with the hijacking, though not the coup, and sent to prison, with Hoare himself serving 33 months.

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Chrysicat  Feb 4, 2020 • 12:33:40am

re: #215 Interesting Times

Same:

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 4, 2020 • 12:46:08am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 4, 2020 • 12:48:36am

LOL

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2020 • 12:54:30am

re: #416 Ace-o-aces

That contradicts what I’ve read elsewhere, that Rush didn’t quite smoking ciggies until only about a decade or so ago. He still smokes cigars, and like Hannity, I think he uses an e-cigarette.

I read that he announced he has “advanced lung cancer”. Personally, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even an SOB like him. But I do wonder what he means by “advanced”…..are we talking Stage III or Stage IV lung cancer?

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 4, 2020 • 12:57:05am

re: #418 Dr Lizardo

That contradicts what I’ve read elsewhere, that Rush didn’t quite smoking ciggies until only about a decade or so ago. He still smokes cigars, and like Hannity, I think he uses an e-cigarette.

I read that he announced he has “advanced lung cancer”. Personally, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even an SOB like him. But I do wonder what he means by “advanced”…..are we talking Stage III or Stage IV lung cancer?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2020 • 1:06:33am

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2020 • 1:08:10am

re: #419 Ace-o-aces

Of Rush, I will say this - I’m confident that even if I truly dedicated myself to the cause of making America a worse place to live, I wouldn’t be able to live up to Rush Limbaugh’s example.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 4, 2020 • 1:12:11am
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 4, 2020 • 1:15:21am
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Targetpractice  Feb 4, 2020 • 1:46:20am

re: #422 goddamnedfrank

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 4, 2020 • 2:01:11am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2020 • 2:30:31am

“The Law of Unintended Consequences”, Chapter 15,435,261:

The U.K.’s worst productivity slump in a quarter of a millennium may be caused by a “perfect storm” of three factors, according to a study to be published this week.

Productivity was almost 20% below its pre-2008 path in 2018 — the worst slowdown since 1760-1800, as the Industrial Revolution took hold. The present-day malaise may have been caused by the end of the information and communications technology boom, the financial crisis, and Brexit.

It’s a “shockingly bad” performance, said Nicholas Crafts, who co-authored the paper with Terence Mills, researchers at the University of Sussex and Loughborough University. The findings will published by the National Institute Economic Review on Feb. 6.

msn.com

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Chrysicat  Feb 4, 2020 • 2:50:03am
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BigPapa  Feb 4, 2020 • 3:13:07am

Iowa raucus with conspiracies. It’s apparent that people prone to the cult of personality are also prone to conspiracy hive mind.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2020 • 3:28:58am

re: #428 BigPapa

Iowa raucus with conspiracies. It’s apparent that people prone to the cult of personality are also prone to conspiracy hive mind.

We’re all living in the Age of Conspiracies now. A profound level of irrationality has seized the minds of tens of millions of Americans (and it’s not just an American thing either - it’s worldwide) and it’s spreading like a virus of the mind.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 4, 2020 • 3:42:14am

re: #427 Chrysicat

I wouldn’t waste time communicating with someone who can’t differentiate between Trump and President Obama. But good for you for trying.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 4:04:08am

there is no ‘rigging’.

so they are taking longer to announce results than people want.
you want it fast or you want it right?

results should be announced once. at the end. when all the numbers are tallied and verified. whether it’s statewide or national

precinct by precinct (or state by state) reporting to/by the press is meaningless, and terribly misleading. because there is no standardized sequence to who reports when, intermediate horse race numbers are pointless.

the only numbers that matter are the final totals.

this nonsense is purposely disingenuous

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 4, 2020 • 4:14:28am

I’m going on a limb here, Boaty Mcboatface won the caucus.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 4:35:58am

Berniebots saying their own count has him at 28 and Mayor Pete at 25 Warren at 18 and Biden at 15. Hmmm wonder how many Berniebots inflated their figures.

And the #1 Berniebot who keeps following me is saying that Mayor Pete’s team came up with the software.

Now watch the Berniebots go into total burndown mode if the IDP releases different counts.

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Weaselone  Feb 4, 2020 • 4:44:00am

re: #433 Joe Bacon 🌹

Berniebots saying their own count has him at 28 and Mayor Pete at 25 Warren at 18 and Biden at 15. Hmmm wonder how many Berniebots inflated their figures.

And the #1 Berniebot who keeps following me is saying that Mayor Pete’s team came up with the software.

Now watch the Berniebots go into total burndown mode if the IDP releases different counts.

Provided they aren’t just pulling the figures out of their posteriors, I’d expect Bernie’s number to be a bit inflated by some of the Bernie people reporting that they were viable in places they’d narrowly fallen short because ego and they totally should have been awarded that delegate and would have too if not for those meddling kids and their dog the corrupt Democratic establishment.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:04:44am

I think it’s gonna be Pete, Bernie, Warren, Biden, Klobuchar. It really isn’t going to tell too much imo. Either way, hate to see the conspiracies roll in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:11:24am

re: #364 jaunte

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:13:49am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Says the guy who threw a fit when he didn’t win checks notes the Iowa Caucuses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:26:24am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:29:40am

re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:30:41am

re: #439 Joe Bacon 🌹

If Trump’s Pulpit Pimp Pals had their way every one of us would be rounded up and shipped to Israel so Armageddon could start…

And of course that motherfather would plug his ghostwritten book.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:30:47am

I know who I’m voting for in NH primary, so I am checking out of twitter BS and the Bernard Sanders madness infecting it.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:33:30am

re: #410 PrairieQueen

We’re not appealing to Fox news watchers.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:52:14am
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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:52:20am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:53:33am

re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow. That takes guts.

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jeffreyw  Feb 4, 2020 • 5:55:18am

For faster service - Please take a number

Good morning!

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:01:15am

Just got off the phone. Turns out I won Iowa!

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:02:33am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thing is - caucuses do suck and there are better options.

Tradition is an excuse to do nothing different or better.

Ranked choice voting and eliminating caucuses would be a big improvement.

Consolidating primaries into a 6 week schedule with waves of primaries every 2 weeks would be a help and give states later in the race more of a say - if you balance when the states hold their primaries, you can make states like NJ have more say in who gets nominated. It would diminish the role of NH and IA, which aren’t representative of the nation at large.

You could have IA and NH announce first on primary night, but end this spectacle of going to those states to campaign endlessly for months for fewer delegates combined than NJ has.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:03:08am

re: #447 Barefoot Grin

Just got off the phone. Turns out I won Iowa!

Congratulations! On to New Hampshire.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:03:40am

re: #449 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Congratulations! On to New Hampshire.

I got here before any of the other candidates.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:06:09am

re: #448 lawhawk

Thing is - caucuses do suck and there are better options.

Tradition is an excuse to do nothing different or better.

Ranked choice voting and eliminating caucuses would be a big improvement.

Consolidating primaries into a 6 week schedule with waves of primaries every 2 weeks would be a help and give states later in the race more of a say - if you balance when the states hold their primaries, you can make states like NJ have more say in who gets nominated. It would diminish the role of NH and IA, which aren’t representative of the nation at large.

You could have IA and NH announce first on primary night, but end this spectacle of going to those states to campaign endlessly for months for fewer delegates combined than NJ has.

It is a state that does not represent our party or country. What I love are the Sanders fans insisting it was rigged against them. They wanted to keep the caucus system and add ranked voting. Well here we are. And honestly if the Biden showing is 4th or even 5th as being said, maybe that kinda would prove that the DNC isn’t rigging it for their “favorite.” But nah too much to ask. I’m sick of Trump interfering with our primary with his ignorant coments. He did it last time too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:06:24am

re: #450 Barefoot Grin

I got here before any of the other candidates.

Such a bold move.

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:08:51am

re: #450 Barefoot Grin

I got here before any of the other candidates.

I won. The best way to win is not to play. /Joshua

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:09:09am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:10:56am

re: #444 jaunte

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Trump et al have zero information
They are just slinging poo

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:11:04am

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Heh.

That’s frickin’ hilarious and is sure to get under Trump’s thin skin.

Only thing that would have been better would have been Bloomberg ripping Trump on his golf game as well.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:11:34am

The smart campaigns here I think realize that while these delegates are important, they’re likely not to be the determining factor in Milwaukee. Just take your poker chips and move on to New Hampshire.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:12:36am

re: #456 lawhawk

Heh.

That’s frickin’ hilarious and is sure to get under Trump’s thin skin.

Only thing that would have been better would have been Bloomberg ripping Trump on his golf game as well.

Bloomberg is low on my list. However, I do respect that the guy knows how to get under Trump’s skin.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:20:38am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:23:31am

re: #459 Rightwingconspirator

Ben really is confused by democracy. I mean I get it, he’s an anti-democracy shill but still.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:24:27am

The Iowa caucus process being strange is normal. This is not normal.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:27:22am

re: #461 jaunte

The Iowa caucus process being strange is normal. This is not normal.

I’d say it’s really Trump’s briefing.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:34:00am

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:34:37am

re: #448 lawhawk

I now know that the parties pick how each state chooses, but I do know that the states decide when, which is why Iowa and New Hampshire are first, because they move the dates up. You’d have to figure out how to get around that.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:35:59am

Friends don’t let friends drink and watch Fox News.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:38:43am

re: #465 The Pie Overlord!

Friends don’t let friends drink and watch Fox News.

That bothers me far more than not knowing the immediate results of the Iowa Caucuses. The fact is FNC encourages this shit by having conspiracy theories and lies about what the Democrats do or have been doing. This country and we are lucky hasn’t had a high profile political assassination in a long time but that may change if Fox keeps being the hornet’s nest and stick.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:39:31am

re: #464 Belafon

I now know that the parties pick how each state chooses, but I do know that the states decide when, which is why Iowa and New Hampshire are first, because they move the dates up. You’d have to figure out how to get around that.

Maybe Iowa and New Hampshire should just swallow their pride on this. Yeah it’s “tradition” but there are a lot of traditions we stopped doing in this country.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:42:24am

re: #466 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That bothers me far more than not knowing the immediate results of the Iowa Caucuses. The fact is FNC encourages this shit by having conspiracy theories and lies about what the Democrats do or have been doing. This country and we are lucky hasn’t had a high profile political assassination in a long time but that may change if Fox keeps being the hornet’s nest and stick.

Just remember that Fox got away with programming Scott Roeder to kill Dr. Tiller.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:42:34am

I dunno guys. One thing that frustrates me about this era is it’s the golden age of conspiracy theories. Nothing is true anymore. Everything is met with immediate skepticism. And skepticism on its surface really is a good thing. But when an outdated process like the Iowa Caucus combined with a new bit of technology is used, yeah you’re going to have some problems. In the end, the person who is leading after the results come in for today will just be up 1-0 going into the bottom of the first inning. It’ll be a lead but not why they win.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:42:52am

(Almost) Everybody is moving on:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:42:54am

re: #468 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just remember that Fox got away with programming Scott Roeder to kill Dr. Tiller.

Yeah they did. Goddamned O’Reilly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:47:01am

Seeing some people propose Illinois for the first in the nation. What do you all think of that? Can’t say I have a problem. You get a little bit of every part of the Democratic base there and it provides a healthy number of delegates.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:47:16am

As for anyone panicking about the caucus, not necessarily people here: the Democrats fumbled on the first drive, but it doesn’t necessarily define the game.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:49:45am

re: #473 Belafon

As for anyone panicking about the caucus, not necessarily people here: the Democrats fumbled on the first drive, but it doesn’t necessarily define the game.

AND note the amnesia our corporate media has about how the GOP fucked up Iowa in 2012…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:50:21am

re: #473 Belafon

As for anyone panicking about the caucus, not necessarily people here: the Democrats fumbled on the first drive, but it doesn’t necessarily define the game.

As I said, it’s allowing a run in the top of the first inning and freaking out before your team even comes to bat.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:50:40am

WTAF bragging about winning while running unopposed.

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Freedom Turnip  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:51:09am

re: #472 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Any move away from the white rural voter to one that is more representative of the party is good.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:54:08am

re: #476 The Pie Overlord!

WTAF bragging about winning while running unopposed.

Obama got 98.9% in 2012.
en.wikipedia.org

He really always has to be the winner. Maybe he should just get a participation trophy for not shitting himself in the Oval Office knowing he had to share the responsibility of an office that Washington, Lincoln, and Obama had. I really despise what this man has done to the American presidency.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 6:56:09am

re: #477 Freedom Turnip

Any move away from the white rural voter to one that is more representative of the party is good.

Absolutely. I just want to see what the peanut gallery’s thoughts were on it. Illinois has a wide range of demographics. Hell tie it to Lincoln somehow. Have the first primary precinct announced be the one closest to where Lincoln lived in Springfield. It would be symbolic but the media seems to love the sensational aspects of the show.

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steve_davis  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:04:19am

re: #199 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:06:19am

re: #473 Belafon

As for anyone panicking about the caucus, not necessarily people here: the Democrats fumbled on the first drive, but it doesn’t necessarily define the game.

in case you all havent figured it out, i’ve been in the ‘tally’ business for 40 years (CPA).

how many times have we added, readded, and triple added columns of numbers getting three different results? How many times have we proofread a report multiple times with multiple eyes, only to find an error when rereading it next year? How many times have I counted a wrapped and bound stack of bills, only to have to count it again to get it right? (note: the wrapper is not always ‘right’)

countless times. all three.

do the results of any tally of anything change just because of the amount of time it takes to arrive at the total (ie longer)?
of course not.

is a result more accurate because it’s reported faster?
of course not. in fact, most definitely not.

can a fast result be wrong?
oh yeah

can a slow one?
yeah, though less likely.

does passing data through a computer or spreadsheet or app make it more accurate and reliable?
oh. hell. no.
yet because of the time and cost to do so, people irrationally believe and lobby that it does.

results are neither correct nor even ‘unrigged’ just because they are fast.

if the individual counts at each site are/were accurate and have been preserved, then this is merely an accumulation and reporting issue. aside from the news value of knowing right away, we’ll know when we know. time does not taint the validity.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:08:36am

Now Berniebots are saying that their folks reported the results in only 40% of the precincts to Bernie HQ…

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Freedom Turnip  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:09:02am

So this video going around shows Melania covering her heart with her left hand along with the buffoonery of her husband.

Edit: image may be mirrored.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:09:32am

Man looking back on it. As bad as 2000 was, I can’t imagine how nuts the social media world would be going if that happened now. The thing is there is precedent of not knowing the results the night of an election or primary. Not just the GOP in 2012 but we’ve had numerous races here in Virginia that were so tight that it took awhile for the loser to concede and that’s been true in both parties.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:14:29am

re: #482 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now Berniebots are saying that their folks reported the results in only 40% of the precincts to Bernie HQ…

If you were declaring Bernie the winner with results only 40% in and up by 5, then this is why I’m not going to handover the keys of the car to the party to a party I’ve done volunteer work for since my teenage years to. I will note that Biden and Warren’s people IMO probably had the best response on this.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:15:12am

re: #483 Freedom Turnip

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So this video going around shows Melania covering her heart with her left hand along with the buffoonery of her husband.

The MAGATS will see nothing wrong with that and they’ll continue to kiss Trump’s ass because they love how he kicks colored people and queers down!

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:15:56am

re: #481 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Agree, and, as I’ve posted before, close races in Iowa have taken longer than spread apart ones. I was just talking about the extra amount of chaos last night seemed to have included.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:16:42am

re: #483 Freedom Turnip

So this video going around shows Melania covering her heart with her left hand along with the buffoonery of her husband.

I think someone is saying the video is backwards, though I haven’t watched it to be sure.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:18:08am

re: #488 Belafon

Was filmed on a mirror.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:19:22am

re: #484 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Man looking back on it. As bad as 2000 was, I can’t imagine how nuts the social media world would be going if that happened now. The thing is there is precedent of not knowing the results the night of an election or primary. Not just the GOP in 2012 but we’ve had numerous races here in Virginia that were so tight that it took awhile for the loser to concede and that’s been true in both parties.

there is absolutely no reason why the results must be known as soon as possible after polls close on the last last day/night of an election.

and recounts enforce my point above.
if a recount in fact changes the official result, then what was the point of speed if only to get it wrong?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:19:33am

re: #387 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m going to log out; I have a migraine which feels like I have an awl in my left temple, my left eye’s sight is dimmed to near zero, and my inner left ear hurts like the devil.

(This is normal for me, there is nothing to worry about.)

I’ll catch y’all later; thanks for putting up with me.

I hate to say this, but I miss you when you’re not here.

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Freedom Turnip  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:20:21am

re: #489 GlutenFreeJesus

Good to know, I’ll make an edit.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:20:39am

re: #487 Belafon

Agree, and, as I’ve posted before, close races in Iowa have taken longer than spread apart ones. I was just talking about the extra amount of chaos last night seemed to have included.

absoutely
maybe we can fight about whether the baseball or football analogy is more apt //

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:22:53am

re: #493 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

absoutely
maybe we can fight about whether the baseball or football analogy is more apt //

Ha-ha, either way, Bela and I both see this for what it is, a hiccup. I really do hope we get the caucuses gone for good at the convention this year. Twas fun Iowa but move on over. There was actually a time when New York and California were swing states.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:23:55am

re: #493 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

absoutely
maybe we can fight about whether the baseball or football analogy is more apt //

Football, because you’re going to decide who’s the nominee with only 50-some odd games?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:24:07am

I wonder if any of those people who profess how informed they are know about the 1948 and 1916 presidential elections when the country didn’t know until the next day who had won.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:25:01am

re: #495 Belafon

Football, because you’re going to decide who’s the nominee with only 50-some odd games?

Football does work better here since baseball can and I know last forever. So yeah it’s as you said a fumble or a pick on the first drive but it’s not the end of the game.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:25:27am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

When a politician tells you “We’re saying ‘Merry Christmas’ again”, they’re actually telling you “I think I’m talking to an idiot.”

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) February 3, 2020

What fucking idiots are talking about xmas in February?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:28:07am

Answer—MAGATS!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:29:26am

re: #498 Dr. Matt

What fucking idiots are talking about xmas in February?

The same idiots who do it in the summer. Daddy Trump was pulling this one in July.

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Interesting Times  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:31:26am

Ha:

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sagehen  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:32:02am

re: #466 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That bothers me far more than not knowing the immediate results of the Iowa Caucuses. The fact is FNC encourages this shit by having conspiracy theories and lies about what the Democrats do or have been doing. This country and we are lucky hasn’t had a high profile political assassination in a long time but that may change if Fox keeps being the hornet’s nest and stick.

Eddie Gallagher will train and supervise the assassination squads. They’ll be activated in October.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:32:47am

I think Kos says all the right things, such as:

2) There is no conspiracy theory that explains away the incompetence of Iowa’s Democratic Party. That’s what happens when an unelected elite thinks it deserves an unearned gift—complacency and unresponsiveness.

3) That said, Joe Biden benefits the most, given what seems to be, by all indications, a dismal night. In our world of media micro-cycles, we’ll be moving on to chattering about whether Donald Trump will mention impeachment in tonight’s State of the Union address, the New Hampshire debate, and New Hampshire’s looming primary (another unrepresentative state with an unearned pole position in the primary).

4) The biggest loser, conversely, is the person who appears to have won the night—Bernie Sanders. He loses his prime-time victory speech. Ironically, it was his campaign’s insistence that Iowa count actual votes that led to last night’s disaster, but don’t blame him—he was right. While Hillary Clinton won the delegate counts in the 2016 caucuses, chances are very good that Sanders would’ve won a count of the popular vote. And why are we recreating everything that is wrong with the Electoral College at the state level? The obvious answer was to ditch the stupid delegate counts and just declare the popular vote winner the winner, right? But the Sanders camp didn’t push that.

5) The biggest asshole of the night was small-liberal-college-town Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who gave a victory speech utterly divorced from the reality on the ground. His pretend “I won and shocked the nation” speech was everything we hate about politics—a Trumpian attempt to create reality by merely declaring it so.

6) It’s hard to see how Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar continue forward from here. Sure, there’s no reason to quit before New Hampshire, but they’ve got no juice left. They bet all on Iowa, and Iowa said, “We suck,” and that was that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:33:17am

re: #502 sagehen

Eddie Gallagher will train and supervise the assassination squads. They’ll be activated in October.

It really disturbs the hell out of me that he can go on social media and FNC and attack his former squad members. It’d be like if Nixon greenlit Lt. Calley to go after Hugh Thompson. en.wikipedia.org.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:36:17am

re: #503 Belafon

I think Kos says all the right things, such as:

Yeah I’m really not liking Pete after this. I hated when Bernie bragged about his caucus wins in whiter Republican states but then proceeding to dismiss HRC ones in more diverse southern ones. I want this to come down to Biden and Warren.

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sagehen  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:38:28am

re: #472 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Seeing some people propose Illinois for the first in the nation. What do you all think of that? Can’t say I have a problem. You get a little bit of every part of the Democratic base there and it provides a healthy number of delegates.

It needs to be States small enough for unknowns to do retail politicking in the lead-up. How about Maine and New Mexico? They’re a good size for that, and have the extra benefit of being swing states whose results provide actual hints to who’d be most viable in the general.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:40:02am

re: #506 sagehen

It needs to be States small enough for unknowns to do retail politicking in the lead-up. How about Maine and New Mexico? They’re a good size for that, and have the extra benefit of being swing states whose results provide actual hints to who’d be most viable in the general.

I think you need states that are little more diverse but I’m open to that.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:41:46am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:42:55am

re: #508 The Pie Overlord!

This whole fuck up is really Vlad’s dream but unfortunately for Vlad, Trump’s going to step on his dick during the SOTU which make Iowa literally yesterday’s news.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:43:42am

1) Why didn’t they extensively test this app before the fucking vote to make sure it worked properly?

2) Why is Iowa so damn important anyway?

3) Why do we even have caucuses?

4) Why do we have to have the popularity contest and staggered primaries anyway? Just set a campaigning deadline and let all states vote on the same fucking day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:44:45am

re: #509 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This whole fuck up is really Vlad’s dream but unfortunately for Vlad, Trump’s going to step on his dick during the SOTU which make Iowa literally yesterday’s news.

Put me down in the pool for 10 word slurs, 14 mentions of Schiff, 12 of Pelosi and 15 of Bolton.

/

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:46:03am

re: #510 Eclectic Cyborg

1) Why didn’t they extensively test this app before the fucking vote to make sure it worked properly?

2) Why is Iowa so damn important anyway?

3) Why do we even have caucuses?

4) Why do we have to have the popularity contest and staggered primaries anyway? Just set a campaigning deadline and let all states vote on the same fucking day.

Because we love to make this out to be a sport rather than a discussion on where our country and party should go. The media really needs to rethink how they cover primaries.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:46:36am

re: #511 Eclectic Cyborg

Put me down in the pool for 10 word slurs, 14 mentions of Schiff, 12 of Pelosi and 15 of Bolton.

/

How many mentions of his “historical victory in 2016” should I put you down for?

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:47:40am

re: #510 Eclectic Cyborg

1) Why didn’t they extensively test this app before the fucking vote to make sure it worked properly?

2) Why is Iowa so damn important anyway?

3) Why do we even have caucuses?

4) Why do we have to have the popularity contest and staggered primaries anyway? Just set a campaigning deadline and let all states vote on the same fucking day.

Like others, I don’t agree with the last one. We would have had Clinton in 2008 if we had done that. And while she would have been ok, we wouldn’t have had Obama.

Spreading them out does givesmaller financed candidates a chance to break through.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:49:18am

re: #514 Belafon

Like others, I don’t agree with the last one. We would have had Clinton in 2008 if we had done that. And while she would have been ok, we wouldn’t have had Obama.

Spreading them out does givesmaller financed candidates a chance to break through.

Yeah I don’t agree with number 4. I’m for shortening but the marathon really isn’t a bad idea. Just get rid of the caucuses and prioritizing a state like Iowa. Don’t disagree about number 1 but this kinda shit happens with technology.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:52:10am

re: #184 Charles Johnson

When Pedants Attack!

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I liked the book. I read his Doctor Sleep and that one back to back last month. Liked them both.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:53:41am
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Interesting Times  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:54:20am

In which at least one Bernie supporter tries to be a voice of reason:

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:55:09am

Has the Senate vote to acquit taken place already so the SOTU will be full of TOTAL EXONERATION!!! COMPLETE INNOCENCE!!! WITCH HUNT!!11!! PHONY HOAX!!!!!1!! LOCK UP SCHIFF & NADLER & NANCY!!!1!!!

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:56:41am

re: #519 The Pie Overlord!

Has the Senate vote to acquit taken place already so the SOTU will be full of TOTAL EXONERATION!!! COMPLETE INNOCENCE!!! WITCH HUNT!!11!! PHONY HOAX!!!!!1!! LOCK UP SCHIFF & NADLER & NANCY!!!1!!!

That’s tomorrow.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:57:05am

Ummm….

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Targetpractice  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:57:30am

re: #520 Belafon

That’s tomorrow.

Not that it’s going to stop Donny from spending tonight screaming “TOTALLY CLEARED!!!”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 7:58:12am

re: #518 Interesting Times

In which at least one Bernie supporter tries to be a voice of reason:

I’m glad she’s doing that. I hope she’s ready for the bots pretending to be Sanders supporters and even some of the more zealous Sanders supporters to go after her though because those bots/people do not want calm.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:00:24am

re: #523 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m glad she’s doing that. I hope she’s ready for the bots pretending to be Sanders supporters and even some of the more zealous Sanders supporters to go after her though because those bots/people do not want calm.

From what I’ve seen, they’re the least of her worries anyway. The Right has directed far worse at her.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:00:57am

RATIO OF THE DAY

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:02:00am

re: #524 Belafon

From what I’ve seen, they’re the least of her worries anyway. The Right has directed far worse at her.

I’m sure. Just gotta be frustrating to deal with idiots on social media either willing or unwilling.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:02:03am

SQUIRT IT STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:02:49am

re: #525 The Pie Overlord!

RATIO OF THE DAY

Hey Marco, don’t you support the President whose presidency has done nothing to prevent that? Shut the fuck up you asshole, you don’t get to lecture anyone on election security until you completely repudiate Trump.

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Targetpractice  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:03:10am

re: #525 The Pie Overlord!

RATIO OF THE DAY

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If Trump wins, Li’l Marco will declare that the results are indisputable and any Dems who try to dispute it are “bitter losers.”

If Trump loses, he declares that the results must be verified again and again until enough votes appear to get Donny over the line.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:03:17am

re: #525 The Pie Overlord!

RATIO OF THE DAY

How many “What are you going to do about it?” replies are there?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:03:55am

re: #530 Belafon

How many “What are you going to do about it?” replies are there?

I know what he’ll do tweet Bible verses and act holier than thou like he always does.

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Interesting Times  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:04:18am

re: #525 The Pie Overlord!

RATIO OF THE DAY

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Uh, yeah - if I saw just the tweet text and not who sent it, I would’ve guessed it was from Sarah Kendzior, Jennifer Cohn, or any other progressive voice trying to draw attention to election insecurity. Instead, it’s like the man who handed the arsonist a flamethrower bemoaning how terrible the resulting fire will be 🙄

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:04:37am

re: #529 Targetpractice

If Trump wins, Li’l Marco will declare that the results are indisputable and any Dems who try to dispute it are “bitter losers.”

If Trump loses, he declares that the results must be verified again and again until enough votes appear to get Donny over the line.

The time honored tradition of Heads I win, Tails you lose. Man it fucking sucks to be a reasonable minded person in this era. It really does.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:05:49am

re: #532 Interesting Times

Uh, yeah - if I saw just the tweet text and not who sent it, I would’ve guessed it was from Sarah Kendzior, Jennifer Cohn, or any other progressive voice trying to draw attention to election insecurity. Instead, it’s like the man who handed the arsonist a flamethrower bemoaning how terrible the resulting fire will be 🙄

Rubio is such a fucking hack. Really showing why he’s the GOP establishment’s golden child though that he talks shit like this when he knows damn well what happened on the Republican side in Iowa in 2012.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:10:57am

Alexandra Petri writes about her experience last night: washingtonpost.com.

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danarchy  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:15:40am

re: #510 Eclectic Cyborg

4) Why do we have to have the popularity contest and staggered primaries anyway? Just set a campaigning deadline and let all states vote on the same fucking day.

A national primary day would basically mean only people with massive name recognition or billions of dollars would be viable candidates.

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:16:00am
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:16:32am

For tonight’s SOTU, POS45 will read his prepared script in a monotone, slurring every word, Xanaxed to the gills.

The media will call it “Presidential”

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:17:17am

re: #538 The Pie Overlord!

For tonight’s SOTU, POS45 will read his prepared script in a monotone, slurring every word, Xanaxed to the gills.

The media will call it “Presidential”

Pelosi should snicker at some point and set him off.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:17:38am

re: #536 danarchy

A national primary day would basically mean only people with massive name recognition or billions of dollars would be viable candidates.

Yeah I don’t like that as a solution. To me, the problem is that the first state is a state really not representative of party and nation and the caucus. I would hate to have to participate in a caucus.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:18:43am

re: #539 Belafon

Pelosi should snicker at some point and set him off.

I’m looking forward to seeing what she does tonight, should be good for some entertainment.

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:18:56am
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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:19:33am

Here’s my kind of optimist:

Everybody is really upset they are not getting the results right away. There will be about a sixteen hour lag. Let’s see what good is coming from this.

1. A direct illustration of the importance of having a paper trail. This is something we desperately need for all elections, right now. Every candidate must come out and yell, “Thank God we had a paper trail.”

2. It takes Trump off the front page. Nothing happens a five minute minute story then talking about what Trump is going to say at the State of the Union. There is almost no talk about Trump, for the first time in three years.

3. It creates anticipation. Ask any writer or director is better, getting immediate results or having everybody wondering for almost an entire day “who won Iowa.” This type of mystery is just what the doctor ordered for Bernie, Liz and Pete. And it will destroy Biden (who decided to send that idiotic letter? The, “I’m an asshole loser and I’m trying to hide it meme is going to last until the results actually come out.”

4. It will be defining. If Pete won his claim of victory will be seen as a “I paid for the microphone” moment. If he did not he will come off as the jerk who claimed he got an A walking out of the test — and then got a C.

All things considered, a big positive.

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Targetpractice  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:19:51am

re: #538 The Pie Overlord!

For tonight’s SOTU, POS45 will read his prepared script in a monotone, slurring every word, Xanaxed to the gills.

The media will call it “Presidential”

He’ll split the difference: The bulk of the speech will be teleprompted mush, but he’ll go off-script in ways he thinks makes him look good but really just sounds like a very insecure asshole trying to “punch up” somebody else’s script, the overall result being a joke that the media declares “presidential” because he avoided shitting his pants on-screen.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:20:35am

re: #542 lawhawk

Conspiracy theories getting mainstreamed never ends well.

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:23:08am

Smart doggie!

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BigPapa  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:23:44am

#DNCRigged is a shitstorm of trollery and Talibern grievance. Even after Bernie leaves the race the toxic cult will still be poisoning the discourse of our body politik. This only helps Trump and Putin.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:25:00am

Gore: #547 BigPapa

#DNCRigged is a shitstorm of trollery and Talibern grievance. Even after Bernie leaves the race the toxic cult will still be poisoning the discourse of our body politik. This only helps Trump and Putin.

Yeah I’m seeing that. What the fuck.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:28:09am

re: #542 lawhawk

I’m reporting every tweet, no matter who it is, as election interference.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:28:58am

We are going to have to do a lot better than this kind of mess to beat Trump, then undo the policy disasters, then the judges, and by the way get some bills passed that can move us forward…

A hundred mile walk starts with a step. Make sure your damn shoes are tied.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:31:18am

re: #550 Rightwingconspirator

We are going to have to do a lot better than this kind of mess to beat Trump, then undo the policy disasters, then the judges, and by the way get some bills passed that can move us forward…

A hundred mile walk starts with a step. Make sure your damn shoes are tied.

I fear we are as Belafon has said in a cold civil war. And it’s not just your Dem v Repub divide but divides within so it’s like a Cold Spanish Civil War in that way.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:31:20am

Is it plausible a lot of Russian dark money is going to Bernies campaign?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:32:27am

re: #549 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’m reporting every tweet, no matter who it is, as election interference.

I’m sick of stupid trolls and their snickering and their fucking idiotic memes.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:32:37am

Chris Reeves, the guy who has done wonders for Kansas Democrats running for office, and the guy who you all should go read at Daily Kos on how elections and campaigning actually work, has this to say about states’ control of primaries:

Before we get going, we have to clear a few things up. The DNC cannot undo the role of state legislators in paying for a primary. If a state legislature refuses to pay for one, then the party cannot command that they switch. If the state legislature sets the date on an election by primary, the party also has no control at all over this process.

As I noted above, caucus states are caucus states because their state government refuses to pay for a primary. They can work on a party-run primary, but a party-run primary is much more expensive than a traditional primary, and mail-in caucus can mean that results are difficult to know for days after a mail-in is conducted, because ballots received post-election day, but mailed on or before still count toward the state total.

The whole thing is worth a read: dailykos.com.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:33:53am

re: #547 BigPapa

#DNCRigged is a shitstorm of trollery and Talibern grievance. Even after Bernie leaves the race the toxic cult will still be poisoning the discourse of our body politik. This only helps Trump and Putin.

So if Bernie comes out ahead when the results come in, is it still rigged? Or will it be that “only because the Berners pursued truth, justice and the American Way were we able to overcome the rigging?”

It’s only the beginning and I’m tired of the whole thing. Also, the only thing that is EPIC about the mess is that the networks didn’t have an end to their multi-hour game show. Waiting a day for verified results is not, in my opinion anyway, representative of a total breakdown of society as we know it.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:35:00am

And someone in the replies had a good suggestion: If a state wants to be first, it has to pay for it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:35:15am

re: #552 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it plausible a lot of Russian dark money is going to Bernies campaign?

Not only possible, I would say it’s likely. Putin’s game if you look at Europe is to play both left and right against each other and then pick up the ashes. Sometimes, he succeeds i.e. Brexit and 2016 and sometimes he fails. We have to work together to hope he fails and then return as a leader of democracy around the world. That means working with other countries who share our values.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:35:59am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:37:05am

re: #555 BeachDem

So if Bernie comes out ahead when the results come in, is it still rigged? Or will it be that “only because the Berners pursued truth, justice and the American Way were we able to overcome the rigging?”

It’s only the beginning and I’m tired of the whole thing. Also, the only thing that is EPIC about the mess is that the networks didn’t have an end to their multi-hour game show. Waiting a day for verified results is not, in my opinion anyway, representative of a total breakdown of society as we know it.

The irony is its the rules they wanted that caused this. They wanted to continue the caucuses and then ranked voting. The Berners cannot get around that he simply is not a lot of people’s second choices. He really is looking like Trump did to me. Someone who inspires only a core group of supporters rather than actually really unites a party.

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BigPapa  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:37:25am
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Targetpractice  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:38:14am

re: #555 BeachDem

So if Bernie comes out ahead when the results come in, is it still rigged? Or will it be that “only because the Berners pursued truth, justice and the American Way were we able to overcome the rigging?”

It’s only the beginning and I’m tired of the whole thing. Also, the only thing that is EPIC about the mess is that the networks didn’t have an end to their multi-hour game show. Waiting a day for verified results is not, in my opinion anyway, representative of a total breakdown of society as we know it.

The answer is “Yes,” it’s another “heads I win, tails you lose” situation. And the wingnuts and Russian bots are gonna join with the Berners to declare a “loss” as proof that the DNC are working to “rob” him of yet another nomination bid.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:09am

re: #557 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Not only possible, I would say it’s likely. Putin’s game if you look at Europe is to play both left and right against each other and then pick up the ashes. Sometimes, he succeeds i.e. Brexit and 2016 and sometimes he fails. We have to work together to hope he fails and then return as a leader of democracy around the world. That means working with other countries who share our values.

Sadly, I doubt we’ll ever see a truly democratic Russia in our lifetimes, so we’ll have to be vigilant. Interfering in democratic societies is how Russia manages to punch above its weight.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:29am

re: #561 Targetpractice

The answer is “Yes,” it’s another “heads I win, tails you lose” situation. And the wingnuts and Russian bots are gonna join with the Berners to declare a “loss” as proof that the DNC are working to “rob” him of yet another nomination bid.

And the young Berners who get their perceptions of what’s going on from social media I fear will be easy prey for it. They’re skeptical of traditional outlets but somehow think that people like Rogan aren’t without agendas.

564
mmmirele  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:50am

First World Problems:

I got a new work HP laptop two weeks ago and was given a bag full of various cables and gadgets to go with it, along with a brick that is allegedly a Dell universal adapter. I’m supposed to use this at home since I am occasionally (as in starting this morning and going through to next Tuesday morning) on call overnight. Since commuting is rather a PITA combined with on call, I decided to work from home during the day as well.

This morning I found myself trying to hook up my two monitors at home. The VGA to DisplayPort converter hates my old monitor, and only recognized a 640 x 480 resolution. Uhm, that’s so not going to work, I might as well use only my laptop. I finally cobbled together, in between my own cabling, and using the VGA port directly on the laptop, getting my two monitors set up. But I still can’t get the left monitor to be my main monitor. So pop up boxes for windows on the left monitor are popping up on the right monitor, grrrrr. And then I just discovered that making the left monitor the main monitor causes some of my application windows not to be accessible.

Technology, the source of my employment and the bane of my existence.

565
lawhawk  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:55am

re: #554 Belafon

The DNC can use what pressure it can - and has used in the past - if you don’t run a primary or try to change the order the DNC wants, they wont tabulate/count your delegates until the very end, and only if it changes the results.

566
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:40:03am

re: #562 Dr Lizardo

Sadly, I doubt we’ll ever see a truly democratic Russia in our lifetimes, so we’ll have to be vigilant. Interfering in democratic societies is how Russia manages to punch above its weight.

The saddest thing is that Boris Yelstin will go down as the most democratic person that Russia has ever had leading it for the foreseeable future.

567
sagehen  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:42:14am

re: #552 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it plausible a lot of Russian dark money is going to Bernies campaign?

It in the Mueller report; the Russian troll farm were ordered to support both Trump and Bernie. Criticism and complaints were to be directed at Hillary only (“we like Bernie”).

568
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:42:28am

re: #564 mmmirele

First World Problems:

I got a new HP laptop two weeks ago and was given a bag full of various cables and gadgets to go with it, along with a brick that is allegedly a Dell universal adapter. I’m supposed to use this at home since I am occasionally (as in starting this morning and going through to next Tuesday morning) on call overnight. Since commuting is rather a PITA combined with on call, I decided to work from home during the day as well.

This morning I found myself trying to hook up my two monitors at home. The VGA to DisplayPort converter hates my old monitor, and only recognized a 640 x 480 resolution. Uhm, that’s so not going to work, I might as well use only my laptop. I finally cobbled together, in between my own cabling, and using the VGA port directly on the laptop, getting my two monitors set up. But I still can’t get the left monitor to be my main monitor. So pop up boxes for windows on the left monitor are popping up on the right monitor, grrrrr. And then I just discovered that making the left monitor the main monitor causes some of my application windows not to be accessible.

Would it not be possible to fix this but just physically swapping the positions of each monitor?

569
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:44:37am

re: #567 sagehen

It in the Mueller report; the Russian troll farm were ordered to support both Trump and Bernie. Criticism and complaints were to be directed at Hillary only (“we like Bernie”).

Bernie would be much more easier for Putin to play internationally. Who do you think’s going to see the importance of a democratic Eastern and Central Europe more the former Secretary of State or the guy whose big thing is wealth disparity. I’m not saying that Bernie was consciously complicit in it one way or the other but eh has to know that his campaign has been the left wing beneficiary of the Kremlin Game.

570
BigPapa  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:45:24am

re: #552 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it plausible a lot of Russian dark money is going to Bernies campaign?

Very plausible. Reminder that the FEC, even if it has evidence of violations (it does), cannot prosecute because it has no quorum.

It has no quorum because Trump won’t elect another FEC official.

This is happening in plain sight, right in front of our face. It’s being shot on 5th avenue. And I hold Trumpers accountable for it.

571
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:47:14am

re: #570 BigPapa

Very plausible. Reminder that the FEC, even if it has evidence of violations (it does), cannot prosecute because it has no quorum.

It has no quorum because Trump won’t elect another FEC official.

This is happening in plain sight, right in front of our face. It’s being shot on 5th avenue. And I hold Trumpers accountable for it.

I see the bots and trolls all the time on social media. Obviously, they’re not everywhere in the whole campaign but they are playing out their part on social media. I can see it in how responses are made to more moderate minded Dem candidates and journalists who don’t have a vested interest in Bernie/Trump.

572
BigPapa  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:54:59am

FEC remains open for business, despite lack of quorum

While the Commission cannot take action on many legal matters, staff continues to litigate ongoing court cases, process new enforcement complaints and responses, and investigate matters previously authorized by the Commission.

It can investigate, it’s still taking reporting, but any new investigations… nope. Russia, if you’re listening, you have nothing to worry about.

573
lawhawk  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:55:12am

Another quake hit Puerto Rico this morning - a 5.0, but that’s enough to rattle nerves for the millions of Americans who live there or have relatives there.

574
Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:56:23am

It is fitting that #iowacaucas is trending.

575
mmmirele  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:59:46am

re: #568 Eclectic Cyborg

Would it not be possible to fix this but just physically swapping the positions of each monitor?

Yeah, I guess so. Never occurred to me to swap monitors. I’ll have to wait until a time when I’m not on a phone call or otherwise being pestered by people to solve their problems.

576
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:01:54am

Recall that the GOP has no primary campaign this year to distract them from totally ratfucking the DNC and sticking spokes in their wheels at every opportunity…

577
danarchy  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:06:14am

re: #506 sagehen

It needs to be States small enough for unknowns to do retail politicking in the lead-up. How about Maine and New Mexico? They’re a good size for that, and have the extra benefit of being swing states whose results provide actual hints to who’d be most viable in the general.

Why would Maine be any better than NH? Similar population. but even more white and they are equally swingy. If campaigning in NH in the winter is miserable Maine would be even worse.

578
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:10:29am

Wonders of Democracy and Federalism. Parties in each state are free to decide how they select their delegates for the Democratic National Convention and the National DNC is also free to decide on the rules that govern the nomination process…

579
CarolJ  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:10:30am

re: #577 danarchy

The state mentioned is New Mexico. New Mexico would be warmer and more relaxed anyway.

580
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:13:15am

re: #579 CarolJ

The state mentioned is New Mexico. New Mexico would be warmer and more relaxed anyway.

The delegates could all travel in a brown Winnebago with bullet holes in the door…

581
danarchy  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:13:23am

re: #579 CarolJ

The state mentioned is New Mexico. New Mexico would be warmer and more relaxed anyway.

Um it says Maine and New Mexico…

582
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:14:22am

re: #579 CarolJ

The state mentioned is New Mexico. New Mexico would be warmer and more relaxed anyway.

Sag also said Maine though. Maine and New Mexico. I’m trying to think of something that could work here. We need a state that is fairly small so easy to do the retail politics biz but also diverse in population.

583
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:14:28am
584
The Pie Overlord!  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:15:10am

This meme is from several years ago but still valid. An Australian attempts to name all 50 states on a map of the U.S.

585
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:16:55am

I do want to say this though. I think Bernie Sanders is the worst thing to happen to the left in a long time.

586
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:21:41am

re: #584 The Pie Overlord!

This meme is from several years ago but still valid. An Australian attempts to name all 50 states on a map of the U.S.

[Embedded content]

For some reason I always forget Montana and Wyoming.
Probably because no one lives there

587
mmmirele  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:23:41am

re: #586 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

For some reason I always forget Montana and Wyoming.
Probably because no one lives there

Rebecca Schoenkopf, the owner of Wonkette, she and her family live in Montana.

588
BeachDem  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:24:08am

re: #582 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Sag also said Maine though. Maine and New Mexico. I’m trying to think of something that could work here. We need a state that is fairly small so easy to do the retail politics biz but also diverse in population.

And then there’s “First in the South” South Carolina. Yes, it’s more diverse than the two states that come before, but it is not representative of the country as a whole. The last time SC went for a Democratic president was in 1960 in 1976 (sorry for the original error). So the Dem primary lets different voices be heard, but in the total scheme of things, it has no impact, but the noise is rampant.

I like the idea someone presented the other day (can’t remember who) of having the first states be the ones that had the closest margins in the previous election. We place a lot of emphasis on swing states, as we should, so that would get them into the mix right at the beginning.

589
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:24:31am

re: #586 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

For some reason I always forget Montana and Wyoming.
Probably because no one lives there

Ted Kazynski (sp?) was in Montana…

590
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:30:59am

re: #522 Targetpractice

Not that it’s going to stop Donny from spending tonight screaming “TOTALLY CLEARED!!!”

regardless that we all know what the verdict will be, because we’ve always known….

given that we all know the truth, the senate R’s are looking pretty uncomfortable right now

it will be interesting if the ‘defendant’ in fact crows in the jury’s face, about what the jury will do, before the jury has in fact done anything official, while the jury is forced to sit there

591
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:32:43am

re: #538 The Pie Overlord!

For tonight’s SOTU, POS45 will read his prepared script in a monotone, slurring every word, Xanaxed to the gills.

The media will call it “Presidential”

the pivot! finally!!!!

592
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:33:01am

re: #590 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

That’s way too much logic for the orange-anus to grok.

593
Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:34:02am

re: #588 BeachDem

South Carolina went for Carter in 1976.

594
makeitstop  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:36:29am

Perspective.

595
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:37:19am

596
BeachDem  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:38:01am

re: #593 Joe Bacon 🌹

South Carolina went for Carter in 1976.

Oops—sorry—missed that one. Corrected.

597
sagehen  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:38:54am

re: #584 The Pie Overlord!

This meme is from several years ago but still valid. An Australian attempts to name all 50 states on a map of the U.S.

[Embedded content]

in fairness, “the places where the border-making people got drunk and couldn’t draw straight lines” didn’t have to draw lines, those are rivers that no human had any part in putting them there. But he’s definitely right about the penis gun freakyland.

598
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:39:39am

re: #554 Belafon

Chris Reeves, the guy who has done wonders for Kansas Democrats running for office, and the guy who you all should go read at Daily Kos on how elections and campaigning actually work, has this to say about states’ control of primaries:

The whole thing is worth a read: dailykos.com.

to this part, i keep saying, so what?

mail-in caucus can mean that results are difficult to know for days after a mail-in is conducted, because ballots received post-election day, but mailed on or before still count toward the state total.

election day is only the day or the final day ballots are allowed to be cast and counted
(assuming early voting)
there is no reason why the results must be known that very day

599
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:40:01am

You know, not to toot our horn too much here but Virginia could be a good fit. We’re a blue state now IMO but not to the point of it being overwhelmingly so and it’s diverse.

600
terraincognita  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:40:08am

Whine, whine, whine—candidates and CNN. Do you think you can wait until tonight for the Iowa results? The bullshit is getting so deep on CNN it will take wings to stay above it. Just stop and report the news when it is available.

601
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:40:14am

This is pretty funny, but you need to meander down thru the quote tweets.

602
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:40:46am

re: #597 sagehen

in fairness, “the places where the border-making people got drunk and couldn’t draw straight lines” didn’t have to draw lines, those are rivers that no human had any part in putting them there. But he’s definitely right about the penis gun freakyland.

Don’t expect an Aussie to grasp the concept of rivers…

603
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:40:47am

Cowards
//

604
Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:42:33am

re: #594 makeitstop

Perspective.

I think the criticism is valid, mainly because we know it wasn’t exactly smooth and that caucuses arent exactly democratic.

605
BeachDem  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:43:36am

re: #600 terraincognita

Whine, whine, whine—candidates and CNN. Do you think you can wait until tonight for the Iowa results? The bullshit is getting so deep on CNN it will take wings to stay above it. Just stop and report the news when it is available.

But EPIC, DEBACLE, CHAOS, MELTDOWN are so much more “newsworthy.” I kind of like that now Iowa is saying they’ll have results by 5 pm, which should cut into pre-SOTU coverage, which will really grate on you-know-who.

606
Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:43:37am

re: #602 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Water doesn’t exist in Australia, there’s only beer, poison and flaming blood, at least according to what I read about their wildlife.

607
Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:44:13am

re: #603 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Cowards
//

Chris also makes the point that every campaign agreed to the app.

I’m a big fan of technology, just like I am capitalism, but there are situations where neither is appropriate.

608
Patricia Kayden  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:44:27am
609
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:45:05am

re: #606 Sufficient unto the day…

Water doesn’t exist in Australia, there’s only beer, poison and flaming blood, at least according to what I read about their wildlife.

except for the beer, everything in Australia wants to kill you

610
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:45:37am

re: #606 Sufficient unto the day…

Water doesn’t exist in Australia, there’s only beer, poison and flaming blood, at least according to what I read about their wildlife.

They have billabongs during the rainy season

611
lawhawk  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:45:44am

re: #603 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

So, they’re going to use a completely different app that hasn’t gotten tested with just 2 weeks to go.

Yeah, they’ll find a completely different way to screw things up.

612
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:46:43am

re: #607 Belafon

Chris also makes the point that every campaign agreed to the app.

I’m a big fan of technology, just like I am capitalism, but there are situations where neither is appropriate.

Indeed. Sometimes it’s good to just do things the old fashioned way. Yeah maybe we don’t know who won immediately but maybe it’s a little more thorough.

613
unproven innocence  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:46:44am

re: #606 Sufficient unto the day…

Water doesn’t exist in Australia, there’s only beer, poison and flaming blood, at least according to what I read about their wildlife.

No water? So the crocodiles are 100% stealthy. Good to know. /

614
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:47:42am

This really is the best argument against caucuses. If Bernie’s movement is the democratic movement of the masses they claim it is, they should, I stress should be amicable to that. But we didn’t see that in 2016 and that’s why I don’t trust Sanders and his allies.

615
BeachDem  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:49:42am

You know you’re in Through the Looking Glass territory when Chris Cillizza gets something right.

616
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:50:08am

So per Twitter,, Ben Carson was in Iowa yesterday for Trump’s “caucus.” Uh doesn’t he have a huge department of the government to run? Everyone knew Trump was going to win that caucus yesterday. So why go there?

617
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:50:44am

re: #616 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

So per Twitter,, Ben Carson was in Iowa yesterday for Trump’s “caucus.” Uh doesn’t he have a huge department of the government to run? Everyone knew Trump was going to win that caucus yesterday. So why go there?

He fell asleep at the wheel and got lost?

/

618
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:51:12am

re: #615 BeachDem

You know you’re in Through the Looking Glass territory when Chris Cillizza gets something right.

If I’ve lost CHris Cillizza, I’ve lost the people who think the people who think feeding migrants to crocodiles are bad as the people who just want to feed the crocodiles normal food.

619
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:51:47am

re: #617 Eclectic Cyborg

He fell asleep at the wheel and got lost?

/

Looked like he got on a MAGA bus. But joking aside, Trump bragging about his victory last night in Iowa is Peak Trump.

620
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:52:23am
621
BeachDem  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:53:38am

re: #616 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

So per Twitter,, Ben Carson was in Iowa yesterday for Trump’s “caucus.” Uh doesn’t he have a huge department of the government to run? Everyone knew Trump was going to win that caucus yesterday. So why go there?

A whole lot of them were there—caution—this pic might make you puke, but the followup tweet is perfect.

622
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:53:51am

re: #619 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Looked like he got on a MAGA bus. But joking aside, Trump bragging about his victory last night in Iowa is Peak Trump.

if you’re the only one on the ballot it’s a Schrodinger’s win because you also lost.

you came in first and last

623
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:53:57am

re: #620 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

“They need dead bodies in order for their deterrence strategies to work.”

Dead children are no problem for them. Just bad publicity.

624
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:56:03am

re: #622 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

if you’re the only one on the ballot it’s a Schrodinger’s win because you also lost.

you came in first and last

I really feel Trump has done damage that we will be unable to repair to American democracy in my lifetime. Note, I’m actually bullish on beating him but more cynical on defeating what makes him possible.

625
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:56:07am

re: #620 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

[Embedded content]

being a bit cynical here - the judge ruled against deterrence by death because the prosecutors didnt prove it worked

626
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:57:02am

re: #619 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Looked like he got on a MAGA bus. But joking aside, Trump bragging about his victory last night in Iowa is Peak Trump.

It’s just like his bragging about his approval among REPUBLICANS.

It’s just like saying: “Hey, most Nazis really love Hitler!” or being impressed at how many Packers fans are in the stands at Lambeau for a game.

627
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:58:20am

re: #626 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s just like his bragging about his approval among REPUBLICANS.

It’s just like saying: “Hey, most Nazis really love Hitler!” or being impressed at how many Packers fans are in the stands at Lambeau for a game.

I do love people trolling him and pointing out to him that he lost Iowa when it actually mattered for him in the 2016 primaries. God he’s such a shitbrick.

628
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:58:36am

Headed upstairs. Don’t forget the whiskey and grass.

629
CleverToad  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:12:45am

re: #405 Dr Lizardo

So, poking around the Internet and I see they’re thinking about a fifth Indiana Jones film - I wonder what they’re gonna call it.

Indiana Jones and the Kids Who Won’t Stay Off My Goddamn Lawn?

After the cinematic embarrassment that was Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I think it’s time to retire the Indiana Jones franchise once and for all (and they should’ve let it go after Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, which served as a nice way to wrap up the series, ending on a high note).

My sarky college kid’s suggestion: Indiana Jones and the Quest for the Pill I Just Dropped

630
danarchy  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:23:52am

re: #622 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

if you’re the only one on the ballot it’s a Schrodinger’s win because you also lost.

you came in first and last

Bill Weld and Joe Walsh were on the ballot for whatever that’s worth, which apparently aint much.


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