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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:22:38pm

Nancy rocks!. Trump is going to be mad and do something extra stupid.

Night people.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:25:03pm
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plansbandc  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:27:08pm

One of my “friends” just said Pelosi is an embarrassment. Not shitler, Pelosi. JFC.

I give up.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:27:12pm

re: #2 jaunte

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Great ad.

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retired cynic  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:28:07pm

re: #2 jaunte

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LOVE

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Citizen K  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:28:18pm

re: #3 plansbandc

One of my “friends” just said Pelosi is an embarrassment. Not shitler, Pelosi. JFC.

I give up.

The double standards are eternal and impenetrable.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:29:29pm

I’m sure people were both sidesing as Dachau opened too.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:29:56pm

re: #4 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I wish Bloomberg would just run the hell out of it.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:30:39pm
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Citizen K  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:31:03pm

And of course, for the usual suspects, the fact that she offered a handshake and gave courtesy applause is proof enough to hang her in effigy too:

It’s almost like she’s damned if she does, damned if she don’t, so why should she give a fuck?

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:33:05pm
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plansbandc  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:33:06pm

re: #10 Citizen K

Good point.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:35:33pm

He really does mare: #10 Citizen K

And of course, for the usual suspects, the fact that she offered a handshake and gave courtesy applause is proof enough to hang her in effigy too:

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It’s almost like she’s damned if she does, damned if she don’t, so why should she give a fuck?

Oh shut the fuck up Peter. Your Bernie has praised him on actual issues. You Bernie assholes are going to destroy this nation because we weren’t pure enough to nominate your 80 year old cult leader who has a shitty record of actually getting shit done.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:36:37pm
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BigPapa  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:37:25pm

re: #3 plansbandc

One of my “friends” just said Pelosi is an embarrassment. Not shitler, Pelosi. JFC.

I give up.

I’m on the warpath for people decorum checking her in the face of that 30 year cancer of a human soiling the people’s house. Any more of that WWE bullshit and it can burn down for all I care, the stink of tonight may never leave.

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Citizen K  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:41pm

re: #14 Dread Pirate

Lets be clear here: Look at the outrage Pelosi is eliciting for doing something like ripping up a speech copy.

What the fuck do you think would happen if she refused Trump the State of the Union?

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Dread Pirate  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:43pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:39:59pm

What pisses me off isn’t the right. I expect this shit from them. I don’t fucking expect the left to constantly enable Trump by going after the people who hold Trump accountable the most. Pelosi got Trump impeached. Bernie didn’t really care about impeachment and he was actually the most dismissive of Trump’s racism of any prominent left winger in 2016 but he gets away with it because these psuedo revolutionaries idiots thikn he’s goign ot be the new FDR. Wake the fuck up.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:40:51pm

Nancy tore up a couple of sheets of paper with a Trump speech. Trump tore up the whole damn constitution. Let the whiners whine, the hands wring. Drink their tears of outrage

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:42:23pm

re: #19 Rightwingconspirator

Nancy tore up a couple of sheets of paper with a Trump speech. Trump tore up the whole damn constitution.

Trump uses the State of the Union speech to give the highest civilian honor in the land to a man who has among other things wished for the failure of a PResident before he even took the oath of office. When did Rush ever actually get otld that he should respect Obama or Clinton or anyone who wasn’t a right wing asshole like himself?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:43:43pm

Sorry for sounding so angry and cursing. It’s just. I have never despaired so much. What the fuck happened to our country that a man like this was even possible? Trump has done something awful and it’s broken my faith in not just our values but the people in our country. That so many people are completely okay with this or want to treat it like it’s normal is infuriating.

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Interesting Times  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:45:36pm

re: #21 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Sorry for sounding so angry and cursing. It’s just. I have never despaired so much. What the fuck happened to our country that a man like this was even possible? Trump has done something awful and it’s broken my faith in not just our values but the people in our country. That so many people are completely okay with this or want to treat it like it’s normal is infuriating.

Now you know how sane, decent people with the misfortune of living in 1930s Germany felt :/

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:45:53pm

re: #2 jaunte

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Wow. Amazing—and the disclaimer—“Eleven Films was not paid in any way to make this film. It was our duty.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:46:55pm

re: #22 Interesting Times

Now you know how sane, decent people with the misfortune of living in 1930s Germany felt :/

Every day it’s always something with him. And I know he’s going to be on Twitter spewing bullshit for the whole world. Goddamn him and goddamn anyone who supports him.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:47:18pm

re: #22 Interesting Times

There were sane, decent people? And afterwards?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:47:22pm

Well, fuck my county.

Morrill County Board chair says commissioners ‘value their Second Amendment,’ oppose ‘red flag’ bill (Goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald).

Morrill County made news during its Jan. 28 meeting when commissioners unanimously passed a resolution opposing a “red flag” bill that’s currently being considered in the Legislature. Basically, they’re saying that if a red flag law passes, they would support the county sheriff if he decides not to enforce the law, declaring such laws as being unconstitutional.

LB 58, a holdover bill from the 2019 session, implements the Extreme Risk Protection Order Act. In effect, it would allow a court to intervene in extreme cases where a person has demonstrated they are a danger to themselves or others.

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My county becomes the first in the state to pass such a resolution.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:48:10pm

I miss my Grandma every day but I am so glad that she did not have to see this. I’m glad that one of the last things she was aware of in current events was that he got impeached but damn it I selfishly wanted her to see the end of this.

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Interesting Times  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:48:11pm

I still can’t believe I’m typing this, but if I had my way I’d be sorely tempted to put her in charge of all Dem messaging:

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:51:04pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:51:34pm

re: #28 Interesting Times

I still can’t believe I’m typing this, but if I had my way I’d be sorely tempted to put her in charge of all Dem messaging:

Trump made the state of the economy in 2016 out to be where we were in 1929. I don’t think anyone in the MSM called him out on that obscene lie just like his lie that the military needed to be rebuilt by him. The stupid fucking media treated our fucking election like a fucking stupid reality TV show. They gave credibility to the host of the fucking Apprentice over a former Secretary of State, Senator, and First Lady who accomplished a lot. And why? Because of some fake email bullshit that every fucking Republican was doing. You know what? Maybe we do lose this election but I hope when the bubble bursts, Trump will not be able to hide from responsibility.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:52:56pm

re: #29 jaunte

She’s a patriot. Schiff is a patriot. Trump is someone who only wanted to run for President because the fuck thought he could do it better than a black guy and woman and he inspired a bunch of stupid white people due to our stupid resentments because some of us can’t fucking handle the fact that demographics change.

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Interesting Times  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:53:13pm

re: #25 Sherlock Hound

There were sane, decent people? And afterwards?

You know what happened to them “afterwards” - they either fled, ended up in prison camps, or managed to escape detection/punishment for whatever acts of resistance they engaged in.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:54:03pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:54:17pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:56:11pm

re: #34 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

He only uses communism and socialism because it makes his stupid base think “Oh no a minority may be getting something I get.”

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:57:03pm

re: #32 Interesting Times

You know what happened to them “afterwards” - they either fled, ended up in prison camps, or managed to escape detection/punishment for whatever acts of resistance they engaged in.

At least some had a country to escape to. Most didn’t. Some people, too many, were “Good Germans”. Who are our Good Germans? Our Pétainists?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:58:09pm

Gotta give her credit.
The media is certainly chattering more about Nancy tearing up that speech, than they are about Trump giving it

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:59:15pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 8:59:37pm

re: #37 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Gotta give her credit.
The media is certainly chattering more about Nancy tearing up that speech, than they are about Trump giving it

And then Trump will do something that will rightfully remind them why she did what she did.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:00:10pm

OK—the posts are moving fast tonight and I keep ending up talking to myself on a dead thread. But when Maureen Dowd was mentioned in the last one, I posted the Charles P. Pierce column about MoDo that is just what you need to make you smile, so here it is again.

#263 BeachDem

The very best column ABOUT Maureen Dodd is this masterpiece from Charles P. Pierce. (Have the kittens stopped screaming, Maureen?) It still makes me howl every time I read it.

esquire.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:00:21pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Fox News viewers are the heirs of the people who actually believed Julius Strecher’s ravings.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:01:11pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:03:08pm

re: #36 Sherlock Hound

At least some had a country to escape to. Most didn’t. Some people, too many, were “Good Germans”. Who are our Good Germans? Our Pétainists?

The corporate media, the ones who can’t be bothered to pay attention to “politics”, and the ones who - while not overtly racist themselves - happily make excuses for policies and people that are (I personally don’t consider these types to be “sane and decent”, however - just using so-called “civility” as a cover for profound moral cowardice).

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:03:21pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:03:59pm

re: #42 jaunte

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:05:23pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:06:07pm

re: #45 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh Newt’s going to lecture about decorum. That’s rich because no person in Congress the past 25 years is responsible for Congress’s problems than that pig.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:08:03pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:08:42pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:09:20pm

re: #46 jaunte

Yep they’ve got the adulterer who cheated on his sick wife (Newt), the child molester (Denny), the hypocritical asshole who benefited from his prematurely deceased father’s social security benefits and then made life harder for less well off people (Ryan), and then there’s Boehenr who couldn’t stand up to the idiotic lunatics who took over his already loony party. Great party you guys got there. The GOP should have died out years ago but because Eisenhower was understandably worried that if he ran as a Democrat that we might get a one party too powerful, he had to save their ass otherwise they would have nominated a moron like Robert A. Taft who who was indifferent to Nazi war crimes.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:10:15pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:10:31pm

I care about Rush Limbaughs cancer precisely as much as Rush believed Obama was an American and legitimate president.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:11:24pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

May his name be forgotten before he passes.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:14:52pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

I care about Rush Limbaughs cancer precisely as much as Rush believed Obama was an American and legitimate president.

I care about Rush’s cancer the way Rush did about children being insured which was shit at all when he acted like SCHIP was this terrible thing. The thing that never Trumpers need to realize is their ideology has always been pretty rotten. It was rotten when Buckley was extolling the virtues of the Jim Crow South in the 50’s. It was awful when Goldwater opposed the most important civil rights legislation in history in the 60’s. It was awful when Nixon covered up Watergate in the 70’s. It was awful when Reagan opened up his campaign where three civil rights workers were murdered and with a grin told the audience about his belief in states rights in the 80’s. It was awful in the 90’s when right wingers encouraged right wing militias. It was awful in the 2000’s when Bush used fear of same sex marriage to get reelected. It awful in the 2010’s when the first African American President had his birthright questioned and mocked. And it’s awful here in the 2020’s as Donald Trump gets a complete pass from Congressional Republicans on extorting an ally to investigate his rival. Conservatism as we know it needs to die in this country.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:15:37pm

re: #53 jaunte

May his name be forgotten before he passes.

May his last days be painful, may the Lord comfort those more deserving, and may our Father say “Sorry Rush but you ain’t worth my grace.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:16:17pm

re: #27 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I miss my Grandma every day but I am so glad that she did not have to see this. I’m glad that one of the last things she was aware of in current events was that he got impeached but damn it I selfishly wanted her to see the end of this.

I’m terribly sorry for your loss.

If it is any consolation, she passed away knowing he was impeached, just as my step-father did.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:17:12pm

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:17:36pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m terribly sorry for your loss.

If it is any consolation, she passed away knowing he was impeached, just as my step-father did.

It’s okay. Just hurts to think because she really was the person that made me realize how much this matters. She understood the stakes as well as anyone growing up when and where she did.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:20:12pm

re: #27 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I miss my Grandma every day but I am so glad that she did not have to see this. I’m glad that one of the last things she was aware of in current events was that he got impeached but damn it I selfishly wanted her to see the end of this.

I was blessed that Grandma Bacon lived thru 3 centuries to the age of 107. I know if she was alive to see this she would be even more livid than Mom and Dad. Mom would have been so angry she would have tossed a brick at the TV set tonight. And Dad would be on the warpath in front of Toomey’s field office.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:22:49pm

I was busy shooting the Rockets game tonight so I go to miss all the fun, but during a timeout I did see a picture of LImbaugh there. That guy is not going to live another six weeks.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:23:30pm

re: #59 Joe Bacon 🌹

I was blessed that Grandma Bacon lived thru 3 centuries to the age of 107. I know if she was alive to see this she would be even more livid than Mom and Dad. Mom would have been so angry she would have tossed a brick at the TV set tonight. And Dad would be on the warpath in front of Toomey’s field office.

I can imagine. I’m sure that my grandparents and their parents would be too. This isn’t why we came to this country. We didn’t come over here just to get another despot.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:24:20pm

re: #60 Ace Rothstein

I was busy shooting the Rockets game tonight so I go to miss all the fun, but during a timeout I did see a picture of LImbaugh there. That guy is not going to live another six weeks.

If Rush dies, they’re going to make him into a national martyr and the media’s going to try to act like Rush was just a “bold voice” rather than the pig vomit excrement combo he is.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:25:59pm

re: #62 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

If Rush dies, they’re going to make him into a national martyr and the media’s going to try to act like Rush was just a “bold voice” rather than the pig vomit excrement combo he is.

And then some radio stations will go back to being profitable.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:26:16pm

re: #62 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

“Provocateur.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:27:28pm

I’m slowly calming down but I remain uneasy but I just don’t know sometimes. Maybe we can beat him in November. But then what. There’s a possibility we could see the side effects from his economy anytime. And even if we don’t? I know the voter amnesia in 2022 will exist because so many in our base will think that a Democrat being President means we’re safe. Vote every last Republican out. I don’t care if they’re your personal friend or whatever. The party needs to go the way of the Whigs and Federalists. Just let it die.

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Chrysicat  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:29:27pm

re: #19 Rightwingconspirator

Nancy tore up a couple of sheets of paper with a Trump speech. Trump tore up the whole damn constitution. Let the whiners whine, the hands wring. Drink their tears of outrage

I hope someone in the cartooning business was aware of that line before you said it, and will be making the point in their work tomorrow or Thursday.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:29:34pm

re: #62 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trump will have him lying in state.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:29:44pm

re: #64 Ace Rothstein

“Provocateur.”

I remember when Breitbart died. They tried to make him to be out to be a noble warrior for movement conservatism and I wanted to barf because just two years earlier he had tried to get Shirley Sherrod based on a doctored tape. And then he high on coke- gee another conservative hypocrite when it comes to drugs- say hi Rush shouts shit at Occupy Wall Street protesters being rapists. Funny Andrew because then we saw your side act like rape was no big deal when Kavanaugh got nominated. Sorry I’ll calm down. I just. There’s so much at stake here and I don’t know what we’re going to do.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:30:52pm

re: #63 Belafon

And then some radio stations will go back to being profitable.

I really do hope that when he does die that people know how awful this man is. It’s one thing to believe in awful policies. It’s another thing to do what Rush did for years.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:31:26pm

I just saw a video of Limbaugh arriving to the SOTU. He was in a wheelchair.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:32:18pm

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Chrysicat  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:35:42pm

re: #49 Dread Pirate

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:36:34pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

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Voiceover “But it was only the beginning.” I mean there’s so much he’s done the past 4 years that should have been used to sink anyone else who wanted the job. I really do blame large parts of the media for his rise because they treated him like a legitimate presidential candidate. I knew this guy was a joke when he played a rich kid’s father in the Little Rascals or when he was spoofed by everywhere. Anyone who actually fell for this guy. I’m sorry but you gotta be one of the most ignorant people out there.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:37:42pm

re: #41 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Fox News viewers are the heirs of the people who actually believed Julius Strecher’s ravings.

I always found it curious that Streitcher was not well-liked amongst Nazi officials.
He was considered too crude.
If any Republicans dislike Rush Limbaugh, they keep it secret.

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plansbandc  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:39:16pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

When no one gave a shit about this, I knew we were truly fucked.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:39:41pm

re: #74 Sherlock Hound

I always found it curious that Streitcher was not well-liked amongst Nazi officials.
He was considered too crude.
If any Republicans dislike Rush Limbaugh, they keep it secret.

If I had a child, I wouldn’t let him or her anywhere near Rush.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:41:50pm

re: #50 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And Eisenhower was mistaken about how party politics work in this country.

Unlike Europe’s fascists in WW2, from which he based his one-party rule idea on, in the USA, every time a major party collapsed, a new one arose in its place.

Thanks, Ike, for giving us Nixon.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:44:51pm

Just waiting to see Trump’s Pulpit Pimp Pals lay their hands on Rush and pray for JC to heal him…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:46:46pm

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And Eisenhower was mistaken about how party politics work in this country.

Unlike Europe’s fascists in WW2, from which he based his one-party rule idea on, in the USA, every time a major party collapsed, a new one arose in its place.

Thanks, Ike, for giving us Nixon.

That didn’t happen when the Democrats were out of power for nearly the same amount of time after the Civil War. I can’t knock Ike for not knowing what would happen later. That’s not a defense of the GOP but the GOP 1952 and even Nixon were different. And by the way the party that would have emerged would have been the Dixiecrats not Wallace’s Progressives. I’ll take the 1952 GOP over that.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:49:24pm

re: #72 Chrysicat

Needs a retweet from people here. So far there are very few.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:53:26pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

My brother (and he is not alone in this) does not believe that Trump was mocking the reporter for his disability. There is a whole cottage industry of RW media publishing articles that deny the obvious and provide alternative facts that MAGAts believe — and here is an example of this denial of the truth.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:53:35pm

RADM Colin Green, Commander, Naval Special Warfare Command, is resigning his commission after Trump pardoned Eddie Gallagher.

juanitajean.com

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:55:18pm

re: #73 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Voiceover “But it was only the beginning.” I mean there’s so much he’s done the past 4 years that should have been used to sink anyone else who wanted the job. I really do blame large parts of the media for his rise because they treated him like a legitimate presidential candidate. I knew this guy was a joke when he played a rich kid’s father in the Little Rascals or when he was spoofed by everywhere. Anyone who actually fell for this guy. I’m sorry but you gotta be one of the most ignorant people out there.

H.L.Mencken knew all about that back in the 1920’s: “As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” H.L.Mencken 26 July 1920

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:56:32pm

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

My brother (and he is not alone in this) does not believe that Trump was mocking the reporter for his disability. There is a whole cottage industry of RW media publishing articles that deny the obvious and provide alternative facts that MAGAts believe — and here is an example of this denial of the truth.

No offense but your brother’s an idiot. I’m sorry I know that sounds harsh but it was clear as day that he was mocking that reporter. We know about the revisionism about it. The point is that anyone should have seen that when it happened or its aftermath and gone “You know what this guy shouldn’t be President.” It should have been a huge clue to anyone who has any decency that Trump is a punkass bully who mocks those he thinks are weaker than him. But I really hope we prove something ot him and the asshole dictators that helped him get elected that the American people are bigger and stronger than he’ll ever be.

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Citizen K  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:58:35pm

re: #84 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No offense but your brother’s an idiot. I’m sorry I know that sounds harsh but it was clear as day that he was mocking that reporter. We know about the revisionism about it. The point is that anyone should have seen that when it happened or its aftermath and gone “You know what this guy shouldn’t be President.” It should have been a huge clue to anyone who has any decency that Trump is a punkass bully who mocks those he thinks are weaker than him. But I really hope we prove something ot him and the asshole dictators that helped him get elected that the American people are bigger and stronger than he’ll ever be.

And in the bold, therein lies the rub…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 9:58:49pm

re: #83 BeachDem

H.L.Mencken knew all about that back in the 1920’s: “As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” H.L.Mencken 26 July 1920

Well Harding was just nominated or was about to be when Mencken said that :). Joking aside, I just do not get how anyone thought this guy was a good idea. Like Kasich, I get if you get your jollies from outdated right wing bullshit but Trump? And then we have to hear about how no one’s done more than Trump. Maybe I’m lucky but I’m glad that a lot of my close family didn’t completely lose their shit when a black guy became president and when we nominated a woman.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:01:07pm

re: #85 Citizen K

And in the bold, therein lies the rub…

Too true but my point is it still should have been a sign even if you are a right winger.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:01:41pm

Franklin Graham’s UK Tour Just Went Down the Loo (goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language, 6:41)

Franklin Graham’s UK Tour Just Went Down the Loo

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:02:34pm

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

My brother (and he is not alone in this) does not believe that Trump was mocking the reporter for his disability. There is a whole cottage industry of RW media publishing articles that deny the obvious and provide alternative facts that MAGAts believe — and here is an example of this denial of the truth.

You’re not alone. My family insists Trump never did that and it was a lie from the Deep State.

But then I have several family members who refuse to participate in Obamacare and they are stupid enough to believe that Trump is protecting people with pre-existing conditions…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:03:04pm

re: #87 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Too true but my point is it still should have been a sign even if you are a right winger.

When have conservatives given a crap about disabled people? Trump is conservatism without the dogwhistles. The gaslighting from right wing media is meant to confuse radical centrists with lies, despite video of the event. They aren’t trying to convince themselves, they love this.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:04:02pm

re: #65 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m slowly calming down but I remain uneasy but I just don’t know sometimes. Maybe we can beat him in November. But then what. There’s a possibility we could see the side effects from his economy anytime. And even if we don’t? I know the voter amnesia in 2022 will exist because so many in our base will think that a Democrat being President means we’re safe. Vote every last Republican out. I don’t care if they’re your personal friend or whatever. The party needs to go the way of the Whigs and Federalists. Just let it die.

Don’t panic. Keep doing what you’re good at, getting people to vote. There are more Democrats running for office than in a long time. It’s not going to be easy but we can do it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:05:22pm

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹🎃

When have conservatives given a crap about disabled people? Trump is conservatism without the dogwhistles. The gaslighting from right wing media is meant to confuse radical centrists with lies, despite video of the event. They aren’t trying to convince themselves, they love this.

Do you have to always do this dude? I know what conservatives are. I merely said that mocking a disabled reporter should have been a sign to anyone decent that Trump wasn’t presidential material. I don’t need you to tell me, a person with a disability what conservatives are. I’ve seen it just as much as you have. I don’t need to be pedanted every time I point out the truth that if this country was even close to living up to the values we claim it has that a man lke Donald Trump would have never gotten anywhere in presidential politics.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:06:08pm

re: #91 Belafon

Don’t panic. Keep doing what you’re good at, getting people to vote. There are more Democrats running for office than in a long time. It’s not going to be easy but we can do it.

Oh yeah I’m more determined than ever. I might even go up to Pennsylvania to volunteer for the nominee if Virginia looks like it doesn’t need my help.

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Chrysicat  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:06:32pm

re: #9 jaunte

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BigPapa  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:06:47pm

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

That was a horrible rationale to deny what we saw with our own eyes. But the Bullshit industry had to merely wait a short while, work on a story, then start working, just sowing a reasonable doubt that it actually happened. Just like they deny climate change.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:08:08pm

re: #95 BigPapa

That was a horrible rationale to deny what we saw with our own eyes. But the Bullshit industry had to merely wait a short while, work on a story, then start working, just sowing a reasonable doubt that it actually happened. Just like they deny climate change.

To be blunt, “alternative facts” was straight out of Orwell.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:08:46pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

My apologies, I did not mean to anger you.

Time for me to log out; I don’t mean to anger people here. G’night, y’all.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:11:27pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My apologies, I did not mean to anger you.

Time for me to log out; I don’t mean to anger people here. G’night, y’all.

You didn’t anger me and you don’t need to log out. It’s just AM, I know what conservatives are. But if conservatives are what you keep on saying they are whenever I point out the absurd reality that allowed this orange ass pimple to fester, it just frustrates me. We really are in a dark reality now. I mean we’re in a world where Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin make sense a lot of the time. I know you don’t like them and I’m not exactly an admirer especially of Kristol, he of the architects of the Iraq War but we’re in a surreally dark place and I just get a little testy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:12:43pm

re: #84 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No offense but your brother’s an idiot. I’m sorry I know that sounds harsh but it was clear as day that he was mocking that reporter. We know about the revisionism about it. The point is that anyone should have seen that when it happened or its aftermath and gone “You know what this guy shouldn’t be President.” It should have been a huge clue to anyone who has any decency that Trump is a punkass bully who mocks those he thinks are weaker than him. But I really hope we prove something ot him and the asshole dictators that helped him get elected that the American people are bigger and stronger than he’ll ever be.

My sister and I bring this up periodically with him but he is so brainwashed that, as Orwell says, “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” Very frustrating

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:13:01pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You ok? You seem to be quite a bit more on edge than usual? I know it was Trump and the SOTU, but even accounting for that, you seem more something, though I’m not sure what the word is.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:14:10pm

re: #100 Belafon

You ok? You seem to be quite a bit more on edge than usual? I know it was Trump and the SOTU, but even accounting for that, you seem more something, though I’m not sure what the word is.

Yeah, I’m okay. It’s just the uncertainty. I’m one of the youngest people here and I don’t know what the future is gonna be. Sorry everyone. I really should sleep on it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:15:51pm

It’s just that it really feels that it’s always one step forward, two steps back. I watched the impeachment presentations by the managers. It was a job well done where they documented evidence and precedent. And then we get the craziness with the Iowa caucus that stirs up the conspiracy nuts and then Trump’s SOTU where the media acts like it’s all normal and that Pelosi was the oen acting in bad faith when they ignore that a Republican senator today outed the whisteblower.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:18:48pm

re: #101 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You are not alone. I am so close to finally getting a full pension and I fear a GOP win in 2020 not only takes that away from me but contracts Social Security out to something like H&R Block where people will have to pay a substantial fee for what we do for no charge.

I also fear the uptick in racism and anti-Semitism which Trump encourages. Truly fear about the Religious Right getting their way with us and exiling us to Israel for Armageddon to happen.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:20:40pm

re: #102 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s just that it really feels that it’s always one step forward, two steps back. I watched the impeachment presentations by the managers. It was a job well done where they documented evidence and precedent. And then we get the craziness with the Iowa caucus that stirs up the conspiracy nuts and then Trump’s SOTU where the media acts like it’s all normal and that Pelosi was the oen acting in bad faith when they ignore that a Republican senator today outed the whisteblower.

I truly fear for the whistleblower. There is no doubt in my mind that #RussianRand is programming a Caesar Sayoc or Scott Roeder to kill the whistleblower. And if that happens the DC Press Corpse will ignore it…

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Chrysicat  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:25:03pm

re: #50 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

TBF, we also had a major member of the party cheat on a sick wife, and unlike Jackie Gingrich, Elizabeth Edwards was well on her way at that point to her only way out of a hospital being into hospice. It’s almost as if there’s something broken in a lot of males who have the drive to be politicians.

However, going back to being fair to our side instead, that led to John Edwards basically looking at the proverbial “can’t even be elected dogcatcher”, while Newt’s political career had barely begun.

It’s almost as though we reject someone once they’re shown to be a bad apple, but the Rs support them because they are or something.

[edit: and of COURSE I go and forget that Marianne was also only actually dumped when she got sick. Newt is the biggest creep ever to hold office unless Trump trumps him.]

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:29:50pm

re: #105 Chrysicat

TBF, we also had a major member of the party cheat on a sick wife, and unlike Jackie Gingrich, Elizabeth Edwards was well on her way at that point to her only way out of a hospital being into hospice. It’s almost as if there’s something broken in a lot of males who have the drive to be politicians.

However, going back to being fair to our side instead, that led to John Edwards basically looking at the proverbial “can’t even be elected dogcatcher”, while Newt’s political career had barely begun.

It’s almost as though we reject someone once they’re shown to be a bad apple, but the Rs support them because they are or something.

Yes, that’s a very key distinction. Edwards lost a lot of respect when that was revealed. Newt ran for President in 2012 and he’s still seen as a respected elderstatesman. I just hate the GOP’s fake holier than thou bs. It really is telling that they talk all that stuff about morality when they have tons of their own failngs.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:31:58pm

All right, I’m going to call it a night. I’d like to apologize if I came off bombastic. It’s just that with the Senate about to impeach tomorrow and the dangerous precedent that’s going to create, I’m worried and I’d be worried even if I was certain Trump would lose this fall. Good night everyone and thanks for letting me rant a little tonight. Tomorrow will be annoying but we’re going to get through this.

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uriel  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:35:05pm

While I do support Nancy entirely.. social media is gonna be one big fucking mess tomorrow.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:38:10pm
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Citizen K  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:39:35pm

re: #102 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s just that it really feels that it’s always one step forward, two steps back. I watched the impeachment presentations by the managers. It was a job well done where they documented evidence and precedent. And then we get the craziness with the Iowa caucus that stirs up the conspiracy nuts and then Trump’s SOTU where the media acts like it’s all normal and that Pelosi was the oen acting in bad faith when they ignore that a Republican senator today outed the whisteblower.

re: #107 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

All right, I’m going to call it a night. I’d like to apologize if I came off bombastic. It’s just that with the Senate about to impeach tomorrow and the dangerous precedent that’s going to create, I’m worried and I’d be worried even if I was certain Trump would lose this fall. Good night everyone and thanks for letting me rant a little tonight. Tomorrow will be annoying but we’re going to get through this.

Don’t apologize, this shit is just amazingly hard to deal with. And you know well and good how much I’ve been swinging repeatedly in and out of cynicism and despair just the past month alone much this entire Maladministration’s term.

I just really hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel here that we can get to.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:40:55pm
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Sherlock Hound  Feb 4, 2020 • 10:40:56pm

re: #110 Citizen K

And that it isn’t an oncoming train.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 4, 2020 • 11:32:02pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 4, 2020 • 11:37:28pm

I see that the count of the Iowa caucus is up to 71%.

New Hampshire is going to lap them?

Anyway, as I had thought, not sure there is a winner but Biden finishing fourth and not getting any state delegate equivalents has to sting his campaign.

I don’t hate Joe - he’s fine for what he was. But time has moved on, and he should move into the elder statesman role and not try to force an election his way.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 4, 2020 • 11:42:14pm

..as if the administration would actually do anything about it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 4, 2020 • 11:54:57pm
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CleverToad  Feb 5, 2020 • 12:17:31am

re: #107 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

All right, I’m going to call it a night. I’d like to apologize if I came off bombastic. It’s just that with the Senate about to impeach tomorrow and the dangerous precedent that’s going to create, I’m worried and I’d be worried even if I was certain Trump would lose this fall. Good night everyone and thanks for letting me rant a little tonight. Tomorrow will be annoying but we’re going to get through this.

We understand, believe me, living through this crappy maelstrom in the midst of a season of grief. Do whatever will distract you, relax you tonight. Hug your niece the next time you get a chance see her; take strength from your family and friends.

It’s still a long and a hard and a bloody ride in 1865 and 1963 and 2020, but we’ll keep walking. Rest awhile before you take up the pack again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 1:28:23am

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

My brother (and he is not alone in this) does not believe that Trump was mocking the reporter for his disability. There is a whole cottage industry of RW media publishing articles that deny the obvious and provide alternative facts that MAGAts believe — and here is an example of this denial of the truth.

The media know that Trump is ratings gold. They are simply doing their job (which is to increase advertising revenue by keeping ratings high). I do not know how we came to think that their “job” was to provide the public with balanced and complete information.

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 1:42:32am

Number one, the Branch Bernidians are making perfectly clear that whether Bernie is a Leninist or not, the majority of them are and they expect him to turn that way once it’s safe.

Number two, I’m getting tired of explaining to them that a classless society isn’t going to be any less bigoted by any means other than actively protecting minorities again:

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 1:52:48am

Accidentally got one who’s almost as confrontational as I am.

re: #119 Chrysicat

Number one, the Branch Bernidians are making perfectly clear that whether Bernie is a Leninist or not, the majority of them are and they expect him to turn that way once it’s safe.

Number two, I’m getting tired of explaining to them that a classless society isn’t going to be any less bigoted by any means other than actively protecting minorities again:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 2:52:23am

re: #120 Chrysicat

“…Let the robots do that, while humans receive the fruits of the robots’ labour without having to DO any!”

Humans will continue to be involved - at least until robots learn to replicate and program themselves, at which point we will be come superfluous…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:05:51am

So, here’s an interesting Twitter account to follow. This poor devil is trapped on a cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, because (so far) ten people on the ship came down with the Wuhan Coronavirus….and all 3,700 passengers and crew are now quarantined for the next 14 days.

theguardian.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:10:13am

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

So, here’s an interesting Twitter account to follow. This poor devil is trapped on a cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, because (so far) ten people on the ship came down with the Wuhan Coronavirus….and all 3,700 passengers and crew are now quarantined for the next 14 days.

I never considered going on a cruise ship (closest I ever had was a two-day ferry trip from Kiel to St Petersburg) and now I don’t think you could ever pay to get me on one…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:21:47am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I never considered going on a cruise ship (closest I ever had was a two-day ferry trip from Kiel to St Petersburg) and now I don’t think you could ever pay to get me on one…

Only cruise I’ve ever been on was the Long Beach to Ensenada jaunt and the only reason I went on that was because I won that cruise in a contest where I worked at the time (back in the 1990s). I took an old friend of mine, because she’d always wanted to go on a cruise, so I figured what the hell. We had a good time.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:27:21am

re: #3 plansbandc

One of my “friends” just said Pelosi is an embarrassment. Not shitler, Pelosi. JFC.

I give up.

dont give up.
ignore.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:32:36am

re: #29 jaunte

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now many newspapers are destroyed every day disrespected and covered in coffee grounds and fish guts that contain exactly the same information?

people burn books, the ideas dont die

grow the fuck up.
paper is not the words written on it

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:34:17am

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

Only cruise I’ve ever been on was the Long Beach to Ensenada jaunt and the only reason I went on that was because I won that cruise in a contest where I worked at the time (back in the 1990s). I took an old friend of mine, because she’d always wanted to go on a cruise, so I figured what the hell. We had a good time.

I work a lot with a lot of Rhine river cruises, they seem okay as you get off and on a lot, and even stay on land and catch up with the ship downstream if you want.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:36:51am

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

My brother (and he is not alone in this) does not believe that Trump was mocking the reporter for his disability. There is a whole cottage industry of RW media publishing articles that deny the obvious and provide alternative facts that MAGAts believe can use to comfortably delude themselves and try and gaslight the rest of us — and here is an example of this denial of the truth.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:38:42am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I work a lot with a lot of Rhine river cruises, they seem okay as you get off and on a lot, and even stay on land and catch up with the ship downstream if you want.

That would be fun; I’d enjoy something like that. There’s cruises on the Vltava in Prague, like a jazz cruise with live music that lasts for a couple of hours or so. Those are pretty good.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:40:57am

re: #85 Citizen K

It should have been a huge clue to anyone who has any decency

And in the bold, therein lies the rub…

oh it was because as i’ve said it since the access hollywood tape, if you support a pig, you’re a pig too.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:45:54am
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Teukka  Feb 5, 2020 • 3:54:33am

So this scrolled by in my reddit feed:

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 4:03:38am

leslie marshall, FOXNews

SOTU address continues Trump’s role as divider in chief

In addition, Trump’s State of the Union address felt more like a campaign speech for someone running for reelection than a speech to Democrats as well as Republicans in Congress. It lacked the formality, decorum and graciousness that a State of the Union normally has.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 4:07:54am

USA Today editorial

By juicing the economy with deficit spending, Trump is doing for America something like he did as a private businessman, loading his hotels and casinos with so much debt that they ultimately filed for bankruptcy.

The United States government doesn’t risk bankruptcy. It can always borrow or print more money. But the debt load will burden future generations. Today’s massive deficits, which will soar even higher when the next recession hits, risk future inflation and higher interest rates.

Under Trump’s leadership, the government is running up red ink at rates typically seen only during recessions and war.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 4:21:22am

re: #134 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Same thing’s going on here in Czech Republic. The current government, led by agro-oligarch Andrej Babiš, is running up the tab like we’re in the midst of a recessionary environment (mostly, he’s doing it to shore up his voter base of pensioners, even though everyone is telling him that the ČR desperately needs pension reforms and that the current pension scheme is unsustainable beyond 2030) and the outcome will likely be the same here as it will be in the US….future inflation and higher interest rates, not to mention burdening future taxpayers.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 5, 2020 • 4:39:26am

re: #133 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

And that’s what his douchebag supporters like about him. That he’s a troll.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2020 • 4:45:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2020 • 4:48:31am

ummm

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 5, 2020 • 4:57:39am

Did Trump honor the American inventor of the wheel last night?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:01:12am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

That shoulder tic is getting increasingly worse. It’s really noticeable now.

Some neurological issue, maybe? Also, seemed to me his head and neck were at some weird angle too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:05:11am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm

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Diplomacy is going to be so important if we can defeat him.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:11:30am

re: #136 GlutenFreeJesus

And that’s what his douchebag supporters like about him. That he’s a troll.

and they want to believe in miracles

Farmers stick with Trump (CNN)

he sells a sort of magical thinking; that, “just over the hill, where you cant quite see it but trust me, there is a glorious future”. Or it’s a return to the mythical perfect past they all seem to crave.

of course he never will bring about anything of the sort. and as cnn seems to be finding, he doesnt have to deliver. just get his believers to buy this nonsense for 9 more months

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:13:15am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

That shoulder tic is getting increasingly worse. It’s really noticeable now.

Some neurological issue, maybe? Also, seemed to me his head and neck were at some weird angle too.

Someone came up with the hashtag “juliusseizure.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:14:01am

re: #142 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

and they want to believe in miracles

Farmers stick with Trump (CNN)

he sells a sort of magical thinking; that, “just over the hill, where you cant quite see it but trust me, there is a glorious future”. Or it’s a return to the mythical perfect past they all seem to crave.

of course he never will bring about anything of the sort. and as cnn seems to be finding, he doesnt have to deliver. just get his believers to buy this nonsense for 9 more months

Of course white farmers are going to stick with the man who kicks colored folks and queers down while giving them those big fat welfare checks!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:15:34am

re: #143 Barefoot Grin

Someone came up with the hashtag “juliusseizure.”

Heh. But seriously, I wonder what’s up with that tic? Is that a symptom of something? It’s getting worse.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:16:31am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

That shoulder tic is getting increasingly worse. It’s really noticeable now.

Some neurological issue, maybe? Also, seemed to me his head and neck were at some weird angle too.

I thought the weird neck angle was him squinting at the giant prompter screens off to each side because he’s too vain to wear glasses.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:17:50am

re: #145 Dr Lizardo

Heh. But seriously, I wonder what’s up with that tic? Is that a symptom of something? It’s getting worse.

No telling how many drugs he snorts up right before his rallies/speeches, I’m assuming it is a side effect to those

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:18:00am

re: #146 i(m)p(each)sos

I thought the weird neck angle was him squinting at the giant prompter screens off to each side because he’s too vain to wear glasses.

It’s crazy how many of their attacks and mocking of Obama easily apply to Trump himself.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:19:25am

re: #147 b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)

No telling how many drugs he snorts up right before his rallies/speeches, I’m assuming it is a side effect to those

assume he is self-medicating or at least ignoring the doctor’s prescriptions/suggestions

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:21:22am

re: #110 Citizen K

Don’t apologize, this shit is just amazingly hard to deal with. And you know well and good how much I’ve been swinging repeatedly in and out of cynicism and despair just the past month alone much this entire Maladministration’s term.

I just really hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel here that we can get to.

Thanks man. It’s yeah tough. I feel better this morning. I will say this though. It’s going to take a long time to fix this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:22:50am

re: #150 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Thanks man. It’s yeah tough. I feel better this morning. I will say this though. It’s going to take a long time to fix this.

If we can get Trump out of office next year, then the damage will take 3-4 decades to fully repair. If we fail, I fear the damage could be permanent…

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sagehen  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:23:28am

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

Only cruise I’ve ever been on was the Long Beach to Ensenada jaunt and the only reason I went on that was because I won that cruise in a contest where I worked at the time (back in the 1990s). I took an old friend of mine, because she’d always wanted to go on a cruise, so I figured what the hell. We had a good time.

does it count as a cruise if I went out on a 5-hour whale-watching trip?

It was nice. We saw whales.

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mmmirele  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:24:28am

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

So, here’s an interesting Twitter account to follow. This poor devil is trapped on a cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, because (so far) ten people on the ship came down with the Wuhan Coronavirus….and all 3,700 passengers and crew are now quarantined for the next 14 days.

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theguardian.com

It won’t surprise me if there are more. Lots and lots of Chinese cruise ships visit Japan these days. When I was in Fukuoka last May, I saw an enormous (they’re all enormous now, aren’t they?) Chinese cruise ship docked at the cruise ship terminal.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:24:44am

re: #142 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

and they want to believe in miracles

Farmers stick with Trump (CNN)

he sells a sort of magical thinking; that, “just over the hill, where you cant quite see it but trust me, there is a glorious future”. Or it’s a return to the mythical perfect past they all seem to crave.

of course he never will bring about anything of the sort. and as cnn seems to be finding, he doesnt have to deliver. just get his believers to buy this nonsense for 9 more months

Hope they enjoy the eventual ramifications of Trump’s “miracle” because it will come and they will be hit but unfortunately so many of these fools are convinced everything wrong is the fault of liberalism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:24:49am

re: #152 sagehen

does it count as a cruise if I went out on a 5-hour whale-watching trip?

It was nice. We saw whales.

We did a boat trip around Stromboli to see the volcano spewing ash and lava into the sea.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:27:31am

re: #153 mmmirele

It won’t surprise me if there are more. Lots and lots of Chinese cruise ships visit Japan these days. When I was in Fukuoka last May, I saw an enormous (they’re all enormous now, aren’t they?) Chinese cruise ship docked at the cruise ship terminal.

Yeah, you’re probably right that this won’t be the only cruise ship quarantine incident.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:29:23am

re: #156 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, you’re probably right that this won’t be the only cruise ship quarantine incident.

The one Sharknado movie plot line they haven’t looked at.

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lizardofid  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:31:50am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We did a boat trip around Stromboli to see the volcano spewing ash and lava into the sea.

Did you see Ingrid Bergman by any chance?

//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:33:31am

re: #157 b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)

The one Sharknado movie plot line they haven’t looked at.

Coronado?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:34:08am

re: #157 b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)

The one Sharknado movie plot line they haven’t looked at.

Slow-burn zombie flick.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:34:23am

re: #158 lizardofid

Did you see Ingrid Bergman by any chance?

//

No, but some of the babes on that cruise boat gave me hard-on that I had to make an effort to conceal…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:34:24am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we can get Trump out of office next year, then the damage will take 3-4 decades to fully repair. If we fail, I fear the damage could be permanent…

IMO we still were cleaning up Bush’s messes. I can’t put a timeline on this. My best hope is the changing demographics blow the GOP up as a viable party for the future and eventually a sane conservative ideology emerges but I’m not optimistic about that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:35:28am

re: #162 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

IMO we still were cleaning up Bush’s messes. I can’t put a timeline on this. My best hope is the changing demographics blow the GOP up as a viable party for the future and eventually a sane conservative ideology emerges but I’m not optimistic about that.

We will have to wait until all his judicial appointments retire or die off, for starters.

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Teukka  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:38:13am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:38:34am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We will have to wait until all his judicial appointments retire or die off, for starters.

When the Democrats get the Congress back and win the Presidency the first item on the agenda has to be expanding the Supreme Court from 9 to 15 and doubling the number of Federal judges.

I’m so tempted to limit Federal judges to two 18 year terms but my fear is another Trump packing the courts with even more radical Xtian assholes.

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lizardofid  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:39:51am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No, but some of the babes on that cruise boat gave me hard-on that I had to make an effort to conceal…

That locale seemed to fire up Ingrid and Roberto like that too!

//

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:43:15am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:43:30am

re: #166 lizardofid

That locale seemed to fire up Ingrid and Roberto like that too!

//

Stromboli inspired JRR Tolkien to create Mount Doom, with its perpetual eruptions, and the islet of Strombolicchio, with its twisted extrusions and a winding staircase leading up to a lighthouse, the Dark Tower

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:43:48am

re: #150 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Thanks man. It’s yeah tough. I feel better this morning. I will say this though. It’s going to take a long time to fix this.

sometimes i think ‘fix’ can be too - well - depressing a way to think. its too large and there are too many variables over a long span of time

the power we have right now is to influence the steering
to get us to the correct fork in the road

the goal for the foreseeable future is to change the direction we seem to be stumbling toward

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:44:36am

re: #164 Teukka

#DailyGroaner:

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i swear i didnt see this when i wrote what i just wrote

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:46:02am

re: #167 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:46:41am

re: #169 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

sometimes i think ‘fix’ can be too - well - depressing a way to think. its too large and there are too many variables over a long span of time

the power we have right now is to influence the steering
to get us to the correct fork in the road

the goal for the foreseeable future is to change the direction we seem to be stumbling toward

otherwise we are forked

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jeffreyw  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:47:29am

Good morning!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:47:50am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:48:09am

re: #167 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

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Nikki,

i am disappointed to see republicans every single day throw out newspapers that mentioned lives we’ve lost and heroes we celebrated. No matter how you feel or what you disagree with, remember others are watching. For those who claim the mantle of patriotism, this is a terribly unpatriotic thing to do.

asshat

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:48:51am

re: #171 Joe Bacon 🌹

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I’m just disappointed Pelosi didn’t just hike down her drawers and take a giant shit on the speech.

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Freedom Turnip  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:49:10am

Dems need some bomb throwers on TV. Adherence to a lost decorum is a loser.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:49:23am

re: #174 Joe Bacon 🌹

Killing Osama Bin Laden was Trump’s idea.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:51:22am

re: #177 Freedom Turnip

Dems need some bomb throwers on TV. Adherence to a lost decorum is a loser.

I’m loving Mike more and more. He doesn’t back down and in every ad he keeps kicking Trump in the nuts! He’s driving Trump up the wall!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:51:26am

re: #169 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

sometimes i think ‘fix’ can be too - well - depressing a way to think. its too large and there are too many variables over a long span of time

the power we have right now is to influence the steering
to get us to the correct fork in the road

the goal for the foreseeable future is to change the direction we seem to be stumbling toward

I guess I just have to accept this. 2016 changed everything. To quote Yeats, all’s changed utterly, a terrible beauty is born. There’s something ugly that Trump has created for how the American presidency operates.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:54:37am

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I guess I just have to accept this. 2016 changed everything. To quote Yeats, all’s changed utterly, a terrible beauty is born. There’s something ugly that Trump has created for how the American presidency operates.

this is the hand we were dealt, so our job is to push it back in the ‘right’ direction

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:55:04am

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I guess I just have to accept this. 2016 changed everything. To quote Yeats, all’s changed utterly, a terrible beauty is born. There’s something ugly that Trump has created for how the American presidency operates.

It’s not just the Presidency. This is the end result of the Powell memorandum which normalized the selfishness of Ayn Rand’s objectivism into every facet of society. We now live in a country where selfishness is the norm and everyone looks out for #1 while they lie, cheat, backstab and steal their way to the top and if they fail, they blame a scapegoat and wind up in a trailer park getting off on Trump kicking colored people, Jews, Muslims and queers down while listening to Fox, Hate Radio and going to right wing churches every Sunday.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:55:21am

re: #174 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump is now taking credit for President Obama’s economy. Next, he’ll talk about the great job he did raising Sasha and Malia.

Obama was too busy enabling the 9/11 attackers and botching Katrina…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:56:38am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Obama was too busy enabling the 9/11 attackers and botching Katrina…

I have a nephew who continually blames Bill Clinton for 9/11 and Obama for Katrina. You cannot argue with him. And yes he was one of those masked crackers who descended on Richmond with his big iron pee pee.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:57:36am

re: #179 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m loving Mike more and more. He doesn’t back down and in every ad he keeps kicking Trump in the nuts! He’s driving Trump up the wall!

Yeah but Trump will counter with more and more nutty awfulness- and his followers will eat it up.

We haven’t seen the Krazy yet. Giving Limbaugh the Medal during the SOTU was more a Fuck You to most of the country than an actual honor to one man. Trump is going to do more and more to skirt the law and stir up more and more anger amongst his core support. Trump will also not leave the White House willingly, and go full on Krazy calling upon Oathkeepers and other nutbags to circle the White House and detain Congress members.. we have not seen the Krazy yet. Think this sounds like nutty? Just think back before Trump took office how “Presidential” and “moderate” he would become once he held office.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:57:46am

re: #182 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s not just the Presidency. This is the end result of the Powell memorandum which normalized the selfishness of Ayn Rand’s objectivism into every facet of society. We now live in a country where selfishness is the norm and everyone looks out for #1 while they lie, cheat, backstab and steal their way to the top and if they fail, they blame a scapegoat and wind up in a trailer park getting off on Trump kicking colored people, Jews, Muslims and queers down while listening to Fox, Hate Radio and going to right wing churches every Sunday.

Yeah it’s cultural too. I see it everyday on social media. The whole troll culture shit. The media talks about a decline of civility and in a weird way they’re right but they enabled this from the get go by treating a man who belittled a disabled reporter as a serious presidential contender. The minute Trump started floating that he would run. The media should have taken a look at what he’d been saying and pounce on it. But they didn’t do that.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:58:42am

re: #184 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have a nephew who continually blames Bill Clinton for 9/11 and Obama for Katrina. You cannot argue with him. And yes he was one of those masked crackers who descended on Richmond with his big iron pee pee.

My oldest son is a Trumporrhoid and I told him that wherever I am is a Trump Free Zone and he shut the fuck right up.

Power. It’s an amazing tool. I AM THE MATRIARCH!!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:59:26am

re: #184 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have a nephew who continually blames Bill Clinton for 9/11 and Obama for Katrina. You cannot argue with him. And yes he was one of those masked crackers who descended on Richmond with his big iron pee pee.

TBH I still remain amazed by how cool Obama kept after all the crap he got spat at him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:00:03am

re: #187 The Pie Overlord!

My oldest son is a Trumporrhoid and I told him that wherever I am is a Trump Free Zone and he shut the fuck right up.

Power. It’s an amazing tool. I AM THE MATRIARCH!!

I ❤️ U! SENDING A HUG!

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sagehen  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:00:28am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:03:49am

I really think Pelosi spoke for all of us with the frustration she must be feeling.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:04:05am

re: #190 sagehen

Mike does not back down and each ad is pushing Orange Foolius’ blood pressure higher.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:05:24am

re: #184 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have a nephew who continually blames Bill Clinton for 9/11 and Obama for Katrina. You cannot argue with him. And yes he was one of those masked crackers who descended on Richmond with his big iron pee pee.

they are democrats
those events could not possibly be the fault of a republican who was president at the time of their occurrence //

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sagehen  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:07:36am
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sagehen  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:08:59am
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sagehen  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:10:32am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:10:33am

re: #195 sagehen

“I like this man, he fights”

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Freedom Turnip  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:11:58am

Maybe a populist billionaire is what we need right now. Sigh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:13:49am

re: #198 Freedom Turnip

Maybe a populist billionaire is what we need right now. Sigh.

Not what we need, but anything to get Trump out of there…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:14:12am

re: #198 Freedom Turnip

Maybe a populist billionaire is what we need right now. Sigh.

I hear ya. I really don’t think much of Bloomberg as a candidate but I honestly do like that he can and will produce IMO effective ads against Trump.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:14:19am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:15:23am
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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:16:04am

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I guess I just have to accept this. 2016 changed everything. To quote Yeats, all’s changed utterly, a terrible beauty is born. There’s something ugly that Trump has created for how the American presidency operates.

He’s not the first president to damage the office. We can make it better.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:16:23am

re: #201 The Pie Overlord!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:16:26am

re: #201 The Pie Overlord!

Trump tore up the American people when he trashed all of his predecessors and treated anyone in Washington who isn’t a Trump bootlicker as a “Never Trumper.” Pelosi basically showed Trump the same respect he’s shown the entire political process from the get go. I’m glad she did. People need to know that this guy is a complete fuckwad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:16:48am

re: #202 Scottish Dragon

There you go. Condensed version of the second half of last night’s speech just for you. With pictures!

Deutschland, Deutschland Adderalles!!

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:18:27am
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:19:19am

re: #202 Scottish Dragon

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:19:31am

re: #203 Belafon

He’s not the first president to damage the office. We can make it better.

You’re right. No use bellyaching. Only way forward is well forward. And thanks for calming me down last night. I was just upset. Now that I see that his SOTU isn’t totally being treated as presidential and knowing that he will be tweeting something stupid about Pelosi probably within the hour, I feel better. I’m also even though I don’t support him loving how quickly Bloomberg is puttign out ads.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:20:46am

re: #207 jaunte

And this is why a censure slap on the wrist wasn’t going to work. He’s impeached. Nothing changes that.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:23:55am
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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:24:55am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

I didn’t watch what I knew would be a steaming pile of crap and lies from Trump. I have seen the endless parade of critics hitting on Pelosi for tearing up the printed copies provided by Trump.

That speaks volumes - on the media mendacity and how they continue to deflect and distract from Trump’s actions.

Pelosi tore up her copies. Big fucking deal. It was intended to get under Trump’s skin, and this morning Trump has retweeted a bunch of criticisms of Pelosi, which is exactly what Pelosi knew would happen. Instead of messaging on the SOTU, he’s easily baited and distracted.

As for the content of the speech itself, it was the typical Trump stump speech - nonstop lies and misinformation. None were bigger than his claim that he’s protecting people with preexisting conditions. The GOP has spent a decade trying to destroy Obamacare and that includes the Obamacare provision that requires insurers to not discriminate against those with preexisting conditions. The GOP has spent a decade trying to repeal Obamacare and this provision legislatively.

They are still trying to invalidate it in the courts, and this past week they tried to delay the case from being heard until after the elections, because they know that if it came out before the election, the public would know that the GOP were behind this effort and the GOP has no plan for what comes next.

It’s all lies and projection. The GOP doesn’t care. They enable the most corrupt and criminal admin in our nation’s history and allow an unindicted coconspirator in federal felonies to lie and crime his way to stay in power at any cost - the cost being shredding the US Constitution. It’s what McConnell does best, but sure, let’s focus on Pelosi ripping up the SOTU.

It’s a sad state of affairs. Trump spending so much time lying about Obama and the economy under Obama to puff up his own puttering economy that his own actions have slowed via his idiotic trade war. Trump’s had to resort to socialistic bailouts of farmers to avoid even more farm bankruptcies.

We see manufacturing slow down due to the trade war, because American importers are the ones paying for it - and passing along the higher costs to American consumers.

So sure, cheer that a Marine came home and was reunited with his family on live tv. That’s a feels moment that should not distract from fact that Trump also gave a completely undeserved medal of freedom to Rush. The only reason that he did so was because Rush announced he had stage 4 cancer, and this is another value signaling effort to show that Rush’s misinformation campaign will continue and is approved by Trumpworld. That’s what that is about. The misogynist and bigot Rush was given a medal by an approving misogynistic sex predator and bigot Trump.

The rest of the speech is the same mix of vaporware and lies, and that includes his claims he’s going to have another round of tax cuts. There’s no tax cuts planned, and it’s not going to happen. The ME peace process is DOA as even far right Israelis pan the plan while the Arab World and Palestinians also ignore it.

The dull thud is how this went down - and Pelosi clapped back.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:25:20am

History repeats itself. Did Nancy just have a ” No sense of decency” moment?

Army McCarthy Hearings “Have you no decency”

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:30:28am

The Berners are angry.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:30:44am

When people complain about tearing up the paper, remember the night started out like this:

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:32:58am

re: #209 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You’re right. No use bellyaching. Only way forward is well forward. And thanks for calming me down last night. I was just upset. Now that I see that his SOTU isn’t totally being treated as presidential and knowing that he will be tweeting something stupid about Pelosi probably within the hour, I feel better. I’m also even though I don’t support him loving how quickly Bloomberg is puttign out ads.

We all need to vent at times. I truly worry when it seems like people are about to give up. As long as it doesn’t get to there, we’ll be OK.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:34:03am

re: #214 Scottish Dragon

The Berners are angry.

I hate to say it but I used to think the idea that the Sanders campaign were willing tools was absurd and they were just overly zealous in their support for candidate and their cause but I really think Sanders has in his own way hurt American democracy too by having a campaign staff that approaches democracy the same way Trump does. And I think that’s part of why you’ve seen me despair about our political culture lately. I really thought the left was better than that.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:34:19am

Though he should have said tore.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:34:43am

re: #216 Belafon

We all need to vent at times. I truly worry when it seems like people are about to give up. As long as it doesn’t get to there, we’ll be OK.

You’re a good dude. Thanks man. Today’s a new day and I’m going to the gym this afternoon.

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retired cynic  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:34:45am

re: #182 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s not just the Presidency. This is the end result of the Powell memorandum which normalized the selfishness of Ayn Rand’s objectivism into every facet of society. We now live in a country where selfishness is the norm and everyone looks out for #1 while they lie, cheat, backstab and steal their way to the top and if they fail, they blame a scapegoat and wind up in a trailer park getting off on Trump kicking colored people, Jews, Muslims and queers down while listening to Fox, Hate Radio and going to right wing churches every Sunday.

Not everyone!

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:34:57am

re: #218 Belafon

Or Iowa for that matter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:35:33am

re: #217 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I hate to say it but I used to think the idea that the Sanders campaign were willing tools was absurd and they were just overly zealous in their support for candidate and their cause but I really think Sanders has in his own way hurt American democracy too by having a campaign staff that approaches democracy the same way Trump does.

The campaign is also full of idealists who are easily misled, influenced and exploited by cynical ratfuckers.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:35:59am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:36:39am

re: #218 Belafon

Though he should have said tore.

Which in turn highlights what has actually been gone in our state of our union the past year. Trump wanted this to be a MAGA rally. I’m glad that Nancy did not give that to him.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:36:58am

Did Mayor Pete win Iowa? Just shows you how useless that caucus is.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:38:22am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:38:57am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The campaign is also full of idealists who are easily misled, influenced and exploited by cynical ratfuckers.

Some probably are genuinely idealistic about Bernie’s platform. I’ve never denied them that. However, I was talking about the people in the campaign leadership. I have zero faith in them to actually work hard for the nominee if it’s not Bernie and that’s even if they get most of what Bernie wants into the platform. I’m tired of Leninists whether they be named Trump or Bernie. I’m voting for President. A man or woman of flesh, bone, and soul. Someone who is a person rather than an idea.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:39:58am

re: #225 The Pie Overlord!

From my last check, he’s tied with Bernie in terms of delegates, but ahead in votes.

Either way, Iowa shows how weak Bernie is, and that the winner will likely be anyone but Bernie. If he can’t win in the one place he’d be certain to find favor, the odds he leads after Super Tuesday drop drastically.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:40:34am

re: #217 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I hate to say it but I used to think the idea that the Sanders campaign were willing tools was absurd and they were just overly zealous in their support for candidate and their cause but I really think Sanders has in his own way hurt American democracy too by having a campaign staff that approaches democracy the same way Trump does. And I think that’s part of why you’ve seen me despair about our political culture lately. I really thought the left was better than that.

We never dealt with the actual Jacobin left before because they stayed outside Democratic party politics and grumbled amongst themselves.

Now they are here and insisting we are a bigger enemy than Trump and the neo fascists (which is what the socialists did in Germany in the late 20s)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:40:51am

re: #225 The Pie Overlord!

Did Mayor Pete win Iowa? Just shows you how useless that caucus is.

I think last count had him slightly ahead. I wouldn’t say useless but it’s not a good barometer where the Democratic Party base is leaning right now. As I said, the candidates earned their poker chips. We’ll see what happens in New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada. And then we get gradually set up for the big day where I think we’ll really see who has the strongest game.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:43:17am

re: #229 Scottish Dragon

We never dealt with the actual Jacobin left before because they stayed outside Democratic party politics and grumbled amongst themselves.

Now they are here and insisting we are a bigger enemy than Trump and the neo fascists (which is what the socialists did in Germany in the late 20s)

That is what it reminds me of too. Thalman and the KPD called the SPD “Social fascists.” I don’t know if these people are just so zealous that they don’t look at the greater stakes or so ideologically holier than thou that they would rather another four years of Trump. One thing is for sure, a revolution isn’t what we need. Our system as devised will work. What the Jacs don’t get is you have to work with people to get it done. And there is nothing revolutoinary about Bernie’s reality.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:44:18am

re: #228 lawhawk

From my last check, he’s tied with Bernie in terms of delegates, but ahead in votes.

Either way, Iowa shows how weak Bernie is, and that the winner will likely be anyone but Bernie. If he can’t win in the one place he’d be certain to find favor, the odds he leads after Super Tuesday drop drastically.

Bernie in fact lost votes from last time. The dirty secret that his campaign won’t tell you is he benefited from the fact that a lot of right wing Democrats voted for him as a protest over HRC. It certainly is what helped him in West Virginia.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:46:12am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:46:22am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:48:16am

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:50:21am

re: #232 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Bernie in fact lost votes from last time. The dirty secret that his campaign won’t tell you is he benefited from the fact that a lot of right wing Democrats voted for him as a protest over HRC. It certainly is what helped him in West Virginia.

Bernie tends to do well in caucus, and in open primaries where ratfuckers can participate. In closed primaries where only party members can vote, not so much.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:51:03am

re: #207 jaunte

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i said yesterday she’s an idiot for that comment

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:52:39am

re: #207 jaunte

I have to ask: What’s in the picture?

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:52:55am

No more self-awareness than a dog licking its asshole in public (ht Stonekettle)

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:53:49am

re: #238 Belafon

Collins claiming Trump had “learned a lesson” from impeachment.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:54:21am

re: #234 Scottish Dragon

If you may and this is why I do get frustrated. I hate how Bernie has sold what the American presidency means to young people. And if he ever got to be President, I think two things would happen and none of them appeal to me. One is Bernie would be a complete dud and it would disillusion people and I really don’t want that. Because as I said, I am sympathetic to parts of Sanders agenda. I agree adamantly with him about wealth disparities being a problem and we do need to address tha. Two is him getting the same cult of personality around his presidency that Trump does where everyone left of center has to fall in line and support Bernie or else they have to worry about an angry tweet from his surrogates about them. I want the President and defacto the leader of my party to be a democrat. Someone who welcomes other ideas and perspectives. I could not help but to think about Abe Lincoln’s brilliance when he had the team of rivals and even FDR too. That’s another thing that the Berners who claim they are FDR’s heirs don’t get about FDR, FDR was trying to have a bipartisan consensus especially in intenrational relations.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:54:33am

re: #240 jaunte

Collins claiming Trump had “learned a lesson” from impeachment.

Thanks. Yeah he learned that the GOP will back him no matter what.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:54:37am

re: #237 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

i said yesterday she’s an idiot for that comment

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They’re never going to understand that Donny’s ego will not allow him to back down and show humility. There isn’t going to be a Rose Garden speech like with Clinton where he walks out to the podium and apologizes to the nation for putting them through the ordeal.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:54:47am

re: #240 jaunte

Collins claiming Trump had “learned a lesson” from impeachment.

He learned that he can break the law and not be held accountable.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:54:50am

re: #236 The Pie Overlord!

Bernie tends to do well in caucus, and in open primaries where ratfuckers can participate. In closed primaries where only party members can vote, not so much.

Yep. This is 100% right.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:55:03am

Went on Twitter last night. I’m sorry, I regret the mistake. What a cesspool, and now with the concern trolls out being very concerned.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:55:13am

re: #244 The Pie Overlord!

He learned that he can break the law and not be held accountable.

And the Senate R’s will make it official today.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:55:30am

A little note for California voters. If you are a “no party preference” voter, you will not get a party primary ballot unless you ask for it. lavote.net has a phone number that of course can’t be enumerated here. I just got my no primary ballot, gotta make the call myself this morning.

My mind is not made up. Having a hard time getting past one factor alone, the proverbial and literal single issue. Will she or he win the general?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:55:59am

re: #246 Sir John Barron

Went on Twitter last night. I’m sorry, I regret the mistake. What a cesspool, and now with the concern trolls out being very concerned.

Concern trolls, bots, Trumpers, Bros, and overall just the nihilism. The nihilism is what is killing me insdie.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:57:22am

re: #229 Scottish Dragon

We never dealt with the actual Jacobin left before because they stayed outside Democratic party politics and grumbled amongst themselves.

Now they are here and insisting we are a bigger enemy than Trump and the neo fascists (which is what the socialists did in Germany in the late 20s)

One of the greatest benefits I received from learning French: I know French history. I now distrust Jacobin and the Bernidian Left.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:57:32am

re: #242 Belafon

Collins learned that Trump has no use for even the pretense of neutrality when it comes to supporting him.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:57:59am

re: #248 Rightwingconspirator

A little note for California voters. If you are a “no party preference” voter, you will not get a party primary ballot unless you ask for it. lavote.net has a phone number that of course can’t be enumerated here. I just got my no primary ballot, gotta make the call myself this morning.

My mind is not made up. Having a hard time getting past one factor alone, the proverbial and literal single issue. Will she or he win the general?

Yes, if enough people vote for her.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:58:12am

re: #239 The Pie Overlord!

No more self-awareness than a dog licking its asshole in public (ht Stonekettle)

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Hey Newt… a Big Loud Fuck You.

-courtesy Nancy Pelosi fans.

Oh- and don’t forget to wipe your head off after removing it from Trump’s ass.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:59:47am

re: #253 Florida Panhandler

Hey Newt… a Big Loud Fuck You.

-courtesy Nancy Pelosi fans.

Oh- and don’t forget to wipe your head off after removing it from Trump’s ass.

That might mess up his hair.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:00:55am

re: #250 Sherlock Hound

One of the greatest benefits I received from learning French: I know French history. I now distrust Jacobin and the Bernidian Left.

They went after Thomas Paine FFS. The irony is for all their claiming that they’re a working class movement. I’ve seen little evidence that they actually are in fact working class. I see the Leninist model of claiming to speak for the working class but not actual working class people.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:01:44am

re: #250 Sherlock Hound

One of the greatest benefits I received from learning French: I know French history. I now distrust Jacobin and the Bernidian Left.

My senior thesis for my history degree was on the evolution of violence in the French Revolution.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:02:18am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:07:48am

re: #256 Scottish Dragon

My senior thesis for my history degree was on the evolution of violence in the French Revolution.

My history undergraduate paper that I wrote and I was working on it in my early lizards years and shared parts of what I was finding with Sergey was about the pogroms and how they foreshadowed the Holocaust. What matters to me increasingly in the end is not an economic system but rather democracy itself.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:08:18am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:09:49am

re: #259 jaunte

History will judge them. I really hope Doug Jones, Sinema, and Manchin just do the right thing. Red states or not, Alabamans, Arizonans, and West Virginians deserve the truth about Trump as much as anyone.

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plansbandc  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:09:56am

re: #201 The Pie Overlord!

Rs like symbols and symbolism way more than human beings.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:10:13am

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I guess I just have to accept this. 2016 changed everything. To quote Yeats, all’s changed utterly, a terrible beauty is born. There’s something ugly that Trump has created for how the American presidency operates.

I favor a different Yeats quote:
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we can get Trump out of office next year, then the damage will take 3-4 decades to fully repair. If we fail, I fear the damage could will be permanent…

FTFY

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:12:08am
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retired cynic  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:14:30am

re: #251 jaunte

Collins learned that Trump has no use for even the pretense of neutrality when it comes to supporting him.

She knew that already. She was talking to her voters back home.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:14:59am

re: #262 Hecuba’s daughter

I favor a different Yeats quote:
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

FTFY

He’s my favorite poet. I’ll raise you September 1913 though.
Was it for this the wild geese spread
The grey wing upon every tide;
For this that all that blood was shed,
For this Edward Fitzgerald died,
And Robert Emmet and Wolfe Tone,
All that delirium of the brave?
Romantic Ireland’s dead and gone,
It’s with O’Leary in the grave.

Of course, that would be the prologue to the rising.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:15:31am

re: #255 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They went after Thomas Paine FFS. The irony is for all their claiming that they’re a working class movement. I’ve seen little evidence that they actually are in fact working class. I see the Leninist model of claiming to speak for the working class but not actual working class people.

It’s worse than that. They see themselves and everyone else as an idealized Worker. I capitalized that word on purpose, because they want everything to fit 1930’s worker’s class.

Everything and everyone.

I’m on disability. At 57, it is unlikely I will “overcome my disability” and return to full-time work. To the Leninists, I am a parasite. They will call me, and other disabled people, “work-shy”. (Leftist Twitter despises my people as much as Trumpist Twitter does.)

Their “working-class dialectic” was always a fantasy to justify their revolution.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:16:24am

re: #266 Sherlock Hound

It’s worse than that. They see themselves and everyone else as an idealized Worker. I capitalized that word on purpose, because they want everything to fit 1930’s worker’s class.

Everything and everyone.

I’m on disability. At 57, it is unlikely I will “overcome my disability” and return to full-time work. To the Leninists, I am a parasite. They will call me, and other disabled people, “work-shy”. (Leftist Twitter despises my people as much as Trumpist Twitter does.)

Their “working-class dialectic” was always a fantasy to justify their revolution.

Yep

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:18:44am

re: #266 Sherlock Hound

It’s worse than that. They see themselves and everyone else as an idealized Worker. I capitalized that word on purpose, because they want everything to fit 1930’s worker’s class.

Everything and everyone.

I’m on disability. At 57, it is unlikely I will “overcome my disability” and return to full-time work. To the Leninists, I am a parasite. They will call me, and other disabled people, “work-shy”. (Leftist Twitter despises my people as much as Trumpist Twitter does.)

Their “working-class dialectic” was always a fantasy to justify their revolution.

I haven’t seen them go after people with disabilities but I always felt lost in their world. They propose things like free college for all but I find myself wondering where former IEP kids like myself benefit from Bernie’s plans. I’m on board with free community college for all because I think community college is and I speak from personal experience where high school kids can mature academically. I’m just sick of pseudo revolutionary nonsense from the likes of these guys who think their one size fits all solutions are the answer to everything.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:22:05am

This is a great thread (25 tweets):

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retired cynic  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:23:09am

Defense aircraft demand lifts U.S. factory orders; underlying softness remains, Reuters

“The strength in (factory orders) is a little misleading,” said Ryan Sweet, a senior economist at Moody’s Analytics in West Chester, Pennsylvania. “Fundamentals haven’t improved significantly for either manufacturing or real business equipment spending.”

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:24:06am

re: #241 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

If you may and this is why I do get frustrated. I hate how Bernie has sold what the American presidency means to young people. And if he ever got to be President, I think two things would happen and none of them appeal to me. One is Bernie would be a complete dud and it would disillusion people and I really don’t want that. Because as I said, I am sympathetic to parts of Sanders agenda. I agree adamantly with him about wealth disparities being a problem and we do need to address tha. Two is him getting the same cult of personality around his presidency that Trump does where everyone left of center has to fall in line and support Bernie or else they have to worry about an angry tweet from his surrogates about them. I want the President and defacto the leader of my party to be a democrat. Someone who welcomes other ideas and perspectives. I could not help but to think about Abe Lincoln’s brilliance when he had the team of rivals and even FDR too. That’s another thing that the Berners who claim they are FDR’s heirs don’t get about FDR, FDR was trying to have a bipartisan consensus especially in intenrational relations.

I (and Cnn) just wrote this above re trump and some of it applies to sanders as well:

he sells a sort of magical thinking; that, “just over the hill, where you cant quite see it but trust me, there is a glorious future”.

of course he never will bring about anything of the sort. and he doesnt have to deliver. just get his believers to buy this nonsense for 9 more months

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:24:16am

In case you were wondering how SOTU is playing in the media this morning…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:27:14am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

In case you were wondering how SOTU is playing in the media this morning…

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I like the snark in the LA Times one. Campaign speech, yes. That’s what this was and that’s how Pelosi responded.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:27:17am

re: #268 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I haven’t seen them go after people with disabilities but I always felt lost in their world. They propose things like free college for all but I find myself wondering where former IEP kids like myself benefit from Bernie’s plans. I’m on board with free community college for all because I think community college is and I speak from personal experience where high school kids can mature academically. I’m just sick of pseudo revolutionary nonsense from the likes of these guys who think their one size fits all solutions are the answer to everything.

They conceal their hatred for the disabled. But it comes out cloaked as “concern” for the environment, and for the “working class”. You will remember the disabled woman who was refused an Uber because of her service animal. Twitter Left sided not with her, but with the driver, who was fired because he disregarded Uber’s own directives which required him to transport her, and the service animal. The woman got considerable harassment. There are many other examples.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:27:24am

re: #249 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Concern trolls, bots, Trumpers, Bros, and overall just the nihilism. The nihilism is what is killing me insdie.

i will never wade into the pit that is twitter.

i do appreciate the tweets that are posted here as they tend to be the on topic parts and not the poo flinging parts

though an occasional drag can be schadenfreudical

oh and cat pix

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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:27:28am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

In case you were wondering how SOTU is playing in the media this morning…

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People aren’t talking about the spew…. They’re talking about the rip.
Mike Pence’s response was totally worth it. So indignant.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:27:28am

Also, here’s another one for the “Fuck Trump!” file:

At least 200 Salvadoran migrants and asylum seekers have been killed, raped or tortured after being deported back to El Salvador by the United States government which is turning a blind eye to widely known dangers, a new investigation reveals.

Human Rights Watch has documented 138 deported Salvadorans murdered by gang members, police, soldiers, death squads and ex-partners between 2013 and 2019. The majority were killed within two years of deportation by the same perpetrators they had tried to escape by seeking safety in the US.

The report, Deported to Danger: United States deportation policies expose Salvadorans to death and abuse, also identifies more than 70 others who were subjected to beatings, sexual assault and extortion - usually at the hand of gangs - or who went missing after being returned.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:28:04am

re: #251 jaunte

Collins learned that Trump has no use for even the pretense of neutrality when it comes to supporting him.

collins learned nothing

i dont even know if she believed that nonsense she spouted yesterday

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:28:17am

He shall from time to time give to Congress information of the State of the Union and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.

— Article II, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution

That didn’t happen last night.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:28:32am

re: #176 Florida Panhandler

I’m just disappointed Pelosi didn’t just hike down her drawers and take a giant shit on the speech.

Would have been a boss GG Allin move.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:28:45am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:29:20am

re: #239 The Pie Overlord!

No more self-awareness than a dog licking its asshole in public (ht Stonekettle)

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newt:

any president refuse to shake your hand?
maybe it was just girl cooties and he didnt have his booster shot, right?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:29:45am

re: #274 Sherlock Hound

They conceal their hatred for the disabled. But it comes out cloaked as “concern” for the environment, and for the “working class”. You will remember the disabled woman who was refused an Uber because of her service animal. Twitter Left sided not with her, but with the driver, who was fired because he disregarded Uber’s own directives which required him to transport her, and the service animal. The woman got considerable harassment. There are many other examples.

I didn’t see that, thanks. I actually only recently got a Twitter account. That’s the real reason why I changed my username handle here. I’m trying to better understand social media and its role on what the hell is oging on. I’ve been on FB for years. I’m actually sometimes a little slow on tech stuff. My iPod Classic would agree it’s stood the test of time.

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retired cynic  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:29:51am

h/t Bob Cesca

Finally, economists says travel restrictions imposed in response to the coronavirus could take a $10.3 billion bite out of the economy.

A fall-off in visits from China represents the “most immediate and direct link between the U.S. economy” and the virus, said Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. He projects real GDP growth at 1.7% this year, just below the U.S. economy’s 2% potential growth rate. […]

The virus will result in a $10.3 billion loss in Chinese visitor spending in the United States, most of that in 2020, Oxford Economics estimates.

Each visitor spends an average of $6,000 per trip, not including airfare or money spent on education, the research firm says.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:30:46am

re: #277 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, here’s another one for the “Fuck Trump!” file:

At least 200 Salvadoran migrants and asylum seekers have been killed, raped or tortured after being deported back to El Salvador by the United States government which is turning a blind eye to widely known dangers, a new investigation reveals.

Human Rights Watch has documented 138 deported Salvadorans murdered by gang members, police, soldiers, death squads and ex-partners between 2013 and 2019. The majority were killed within two years of deportation by the same perpetrators they had tried to escape by seeking safety in the US.

The report, Deported to Danger: United States deportation policies expose Salvadorans to death and abuse, also identifies more than 70 others who were subjected to beatings, sexual assault and extortion - usually at the hand of gangs - or who went missing after being returned.

He’s weaken the refugee visas. It’s why I want to vomit when I see Ivanka acting like she cares about things like human trafficking.

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Interesting Times  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:38:29am

Does Bree Newsome lurk here? Because this thread is like a pure, distilled, condensed version of every warning ever posted on LGF:

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:38:54am

re: #283 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s no problem.

Another tell is when they talk about climate change and say things like, “Sacrifices must be made! We can’t save everyone!”

Spoiler: They won’t sacrifice.

It’s straight-up ugly sometimes, when their mask slips.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:41:50am

re: #287 Sherlock Hound

That’s no problem.

Another tell is when they talk about climate change and say things like, “Sacrifices must be made! We can’t save everyone!”

Spoiler: They won’t sacrifice.

It’s straight-up ugly sometimes, when their mask slips.

I’m telling you. I’m tickled pink by the fact that they’re complaining about the caucuses rewarding Pete with more delegates than him. They wanted to keep the caucuses and then ranked voting. They just never consider that not everyone loves Bernie Sanders. They really are the children of Ron Paul’s movement in a lot of ways. People who want a self fancied revolutionary who really is anything but. Obama’s legacy in the end I think will be making the Executive Branch a supporter of the rights of all. And that’s far more revolutoinary than acting like we’re fighting the coal bosses.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:44:16am

In Wuhan Coronavirus news, Shanghai public schools will be closed for the rest of this month.

Via Google Translate:

The Shanghai Municipal Education Commission issued a notice: According to the development of the epidemic situation, in order to ensure the safety of students, it was decided that schools of all levels in Shanghai will not open before the end of February. The development of the epidemic will be closely monitored and judgements will be made in a timely manner. Once the start time is determined, it will be announced to the society in advance to allow time for teachers and students to make reasonable arrangements.

m.weibo.cn

Damn.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:51:53am

re: #282 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

newt:

any president refuse to shake your hand?
maybe it was just girl cooties and he didnt have his booster shot, right?

Narrator: area man seems easily triggered

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:53:27am

re: #289 Dr Lizardo

I saw a story earlier where a baby was diagnosed with the virus 30 hours after birth.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:54:16am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

I saw a story earlier where a baby was diagnosed with the virus 30 hours after birth.

That is the most heartbreaking thing I’ve read in awhile.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:56:17am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

I saw a story earlier where a baby was diagnosed with the virus 30 hours after birth.

Yep, saw that too; I do online teaching as a side hustle, and today, I had the chance to speak with an MD from Thailand, and he mentioned that as well. There’s concerns the virus might be transmissible in utero, but it’s too soon to tell with 100% certainty.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:09:36am

re: #293 Dr Lizardo

Yep, saw that too; I do online teaching as a side hustle, and today, I had the chance to speak with an MD from Thailand, and he mentioned that as well. There’s concerns the virus might be transmissible in utero, but it’s too soon to tell with 100% certainty.

The baby was born to an mother who was infected, but there have also been babies born to infected mothers where the infection has apparently not passed from mother to child. And there have also been cases of babies becoming infected after being born to a mother who was not infected.

Of course, most of this information comes from the state run Chinese news agency, so massive grain of salt applies.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:09:52am

Winners/losers via Vox:

What’s missing from the winners/losers is facts and reality.

Trump’s touting a strong economy, but the reality and facts suggest a different picture entirely. Trump’s trade war has done tremendous damage and is slowing the economy in ways that were entirely predictable. Vox’s writers ignore that and claim that the economy remains strong because of Trump. That inverts things - it’s puttering along despite Trump’s worst impulses and policies that do the opposite. The Trump tax scam didn’t grow anything but the debt. It has accelerated wealth inequality and yet Trump is given credit for an economy that is growing more slowly than under Obama.

The right wing echo chamber and misinformation network was a big winner, because that’s how Trump hopes to remain in power (and avoid indictment).

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:10:49am

I’m blocking berners faster than I’m blocking Trumpers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:12:14am

re: #296 Scottish Dragon

I’m blocking berners faster than I’m blocking Trumpers.

It’s only a matter of time until they all gang up against us.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:12:37am

re: #295 lawhawk

Winners/losers via Vox:

What’s missing from the winners/losers is facts and reality.

Trump’s touting a strong economy, but the reality and facts suggest a different picture entirely. Trump’s trade war has done tremendous damage and is slowing the economy in ways that were entirely predictable. Vox’s writers ignore that and claim that the economy remains strong because of Trump. That inverts things - it’s puttering along despite Trump’s worst impulses and policies that do the opposite. The Trump tax scam didn’t grow anything but the debt. It has accelerated wealth inequality and yet Trump is given credit for an economy that is growing more slowly than under Obama.

The right wing echo chamber and misinformation network was a big winner, because that’s how Trump hopes to remain in power (and avoid indictment).

Only in wingnut world could the person who actually did have the unemployment rate be cut in half and the guy who ran claiming we were in worse shape than the Great Depression be given credit for that. Trumpers refuse to act like Obama has had anything to do with any economic recovery. It hasn’t blown up on Trump yet but it eventually will and then a Democrat will probably get stuck cleaning up and suddenly the Republicans will care about deficits again.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:14:30am

re: #296 Scottish Dragon

I’m blocking berners faster than I’m blocking Trumpers.

The whole trolling attitude they have is the same shit that the Trumpers do. It really makes me loathe Sanders as much as Trump because I really think he’s hurt democracy in similiar ways to Trump by acting like if you don’t win, it must be rigged against you. I’ve worked on and followed tight races. They suck to eb on the losing end of but it happens. They wanted to keep the caucuses and add ranked voting, well maybe they should have considered that not everyone is enamored by Bernie as a presidential candidate but they do’n’t and when that ahppens, they lash out.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:17:58am

Good God.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:20:34am

re: #300 Scottish Dragon

Good God.

LOL some of them are seriously trying to say that people are saying this was one of the best speeches since the Gettysburg Address. Lincoln could fart more eloquently than Trump can speak,

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Interesting Times  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:23:02am

THIS is what moral courage looks like:

Those of you in a position to donate, please keep this in mind (esp. if you live in a deep-blue state or one with no competitive Senate seats)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:25:57am

re: #302 Interesting Times

THIS is what moral courage looks like:

Those of you in a position to donate, please keep this in mind (esp. if you live in a deep-blue state or one with no competitive Senate seats)

And just like that, Doug Jones becomes a Profile in Courage for a new generation:
“Having done my best to see through the fog of partisanship, I am deeply troubled by the arguments put forth by the President’s lawyers in favor of virtually unchecked presidential power. In this case, the evidence clearly proves the President used the weight of his office and that of the United States government to seek to coerce a foreign government to interfere in our election for his personal political benefit. The President’s actions placed his personal interests well above the national interests and threatened the security of the United States, our allies in Europe, and our ally Ukraine. His actions were more than simply inappropriate. They were an abuse of power. With impeachment as the only check on such presidential wrongdoing, I felt I must vote to convict on the first charge of abuse of power.”

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:26:26am

Today is garbage, so here’s a photo of Keanu sitting with high-iron construction workers that somehow made it into a Ukrainian textbook.

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:26:34am

re: #301 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

LOL some of them are seriously trying to say that people are saying this was one of the best speeches since the Gettysburg Address. Lincoln could fart more eloquently than Trump can speak,

And reminder that the Gettysburg Address was widely seen as a failure at the time. Funny how that works out. I can only imagine Trump’s speeches will be just as historically judged inverse to the praise they got contemporarily.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:27:35am

re: #305 Citizen K

And reminder that the Gettysburg Address was widely seen as a failure at the time. Funny how that works out. I can only imagine Trump’s speeches will be just as historically judged inverse to the praise they got contemporarily.

That too. Trump’s speeches will. I don’t even know man. Like I found some of Bush’s bushisms bizarre but he could at times speak statesmanlike.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:28:34am

Dang. Site is b0rked on my browser. Tried to upload the photo, and instead the comment got posted.

I look forward to Sad Keanu being inserted into all photos, and puzzling the alien archeologists who sift through the wreckage of our civlization.
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:28:46am

Doug Jones just made me a little more optimistic.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:29:43am

re: #307 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Dang. Site is b0rked on my browser. Tried to upload the photo, and instead the comment got posted.

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Well it’s still more accurate than the idea that the Confederates actually really did like black people lol and that slavery wasn’t so bad but come on guys.

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sagehen  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:29:51am

re: #305 Citizen K

And reminder that the Gettysburg Address was widely seen as a failure at the time. Funny how that works out. I can only imagine Trump’s speeches will be just as historically judged inverse to the praise they got contemporarily.

The Gettysburg address was 87 words.

Trump’s SOTU was close to 90 minutes.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:30:43am

re: #310 sagehen

The Gettysburg address was 87 words.

Trump’s SOTU was close to 90 minutes.

The best Presidents- Washington and Lincoln said a lot by saying little. Trump always says little by saying a lot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:31:43am

re: #301 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

LOL some of them are seriously trying to say that people are saying this was one of the best speeches since the Gettysburg Address. Lincoln could fart more eloquently than Trump can speak,

These are people who could look at photos of the 2013 and 2017 inaugurations and tell you the latter was larger…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:31:54am

You know, instead of getting bothered by the bots and trolls, I just have to laugh at how pathetic they really are.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:32:34am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These are people who could look at photos of the 2013 and 2017 inaugurations and tell you the latter was larger…

Why, yes, yes they are. They also believe we have always been at war with Eastasia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:32:52am

re: #313 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You know, instead of getting bothered by the bots and trolls, I just have to laugh at how pathetic they really are.

pathetic but potentially very harmful

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:33:41am

Doug is getting tons of support in the responses. He’s definitely still the underdog- tis Alabama after all but if he’s voting for removal, I really feel the Dems are ready for a big fight on this.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:34:48am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

pathetic but potentially very harmful

I know they’re harmful. I’m saying that I want to laugh at them rather than let their harm to our political discussion impact my state of mind. I was despondent last night but today seeing that Jones is voting for removal, I feel a lot better.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:36:58am

re: #236 The Pie Overlord!

Bernie tends to do well in caucus, and in open primaries where ratfuckers can participate. In closed primaries where only party members can vote, not so much.

Yep, and the Republicans in South Carolina are saying the quiet parts out loud now. If Biden loses South Carolina to Bernie…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:40:22am

re: #318 BeachDem

Yep, and the Republicans in South Carolina are saying the quiet parts out loud now. If Biden loses South Carolina to Bernie…

But Trump is afraid of Bernie. //

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:41:39am

And just like that Doug Jones is the conversation of the hour. Not Trump’s “Gettysburg Address”. But you know Trump will still be raging on the john about Pelosi.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:41:55am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:44:30am

re: #321 Scottish Dragon

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She is some sort of RW pundit and I really pissed her off.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:46:44am

re: #261 plansbandc

Rs like symbols and symbolism way more than human beings.

As George Carlin said “I’ll leave symbols to the symbol minded”

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Interesting Times  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:48:53am

Yes, I know the actual number of Americans active on Twitter is small, but trending topics there still have the capability of driving news cycles. Here are the current chart-toppers:

Notice whose name is missing? :D
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:50:27am

re: #324 Interesting Times

Yes, I know the actual number of Americans active on Twitter is small, but trending topics there still have the capability of driving news cycles. Here are the current chart-toppers:

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I’ve been saying for months. When Trump can’t control the narrative, he can’t win. I really think when we get closer to crunch time, we’re going to see why IMO the same factors that helped Trump four years ago are the same that will be his demise now.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:50:34am

re: #302 Interesting Times

THIS is what moral courage looks like:

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Those of you in a position to donate, please keep this in mind (esp. if you live in a deep-blue state or one with no competitive Senate seats)

Here’s Doug Jones, a man running for a full term in November, knowing that he’s likely surrendering his seat to do what is right.

Meanwhile, Joe Manchin isn’t up for reelection for another 4 years, yet he’s so scared of losing then that he’s mumbling about censure and leaving his vote up in the air.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:51:26am

Trump will be the subject of the hashtags and memes. Trump will be the one isolated and having to defend himself. I know some of us think he won’t debate the Democratic candidate but he may have no other choice because an incumbent President who refuses to debate will be treated like a coward.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:52:14am

re: #326 Targetpractice

Here’s Doug Jones, a man running for a full term in November, knowing that he’s likely surrendering his seat to do what is right.

Meanwhile, Joe Manchin isn’t up for reelection for another 4 years, yet he’s so scared of losing then that he’s mumbling about censure and leaving his vote up in the air.

Maybe Joe will surprise us and Jerry Jr will realize that he doesn’t want to live in West Virginia either and west Russia would be more to his liking. Not too many pool boys there though.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:57:17am

re: #263 The Pie Overlord!

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Norah O’Donnell makes my teeth hurt.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:57:55am

This is a serious criminal accusation. Massive legal ethics problem and breach of fiduciary trust. NC University authorized this sham payment over the ‘Silent Sam’ confederate statue on campus. That payment was used to fund the original lawsuit by SCV against UNC over the statue in the first place.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:58:04am

re: #305 Citizen K

And reminder that the Gettysburg Address was widely seen as a failure at the time. Funny how that works out. I can only imagine Trump’s speeches will be just as historically judged inverse to the praise they got contemporarily.

(apparently) lincoln said “the world will little note, nor long remember what we say here.”

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stpaulbear  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:59:31am

re: #318 BeachDem

Yep, and the Republicans in South Carolina are saying the quiet parts out loud now. If Biden loses South Carolina to Bernie…

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That’s probably going to happen in MN too. We’ve had open primaries forever.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:00:48am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:00:55am
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KingKenrod  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:02:20am

If Dems want to make a dent in campaigning against the Trump economy, they need to tell voters that it is being done entirely with borrowed money, just like the casinos he bankrupted. Trump is borrowing money, squandering it, and when the whole thing collapses he will leave everyone else holding the bag. It’s a simple message.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:02:47am

re: #332 stpaulbear

That’s probably going to happen in MN too. We’ve had open primaries forever.

I also voted in a GOP primary in Arizona in the 80’s as I was happy with the Democratic choices and chose to vote for whom I considered to be the weakest GOP candidate

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Freedom Turnip  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:03:08am

Limbaugh: “The Americans With Disability Act Is One Of The Greatest Ruses That’s Ever Come Down The Pike”

Rush: “You Know What Comprises Disability These Days? Insomnia. Alcoholism. Any Number Of Things Make You Disabled. Boredom.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:04:14am

re: #337 Freedom Turnip

It’s easy for the rich men to criticize aid programs they’ll never need.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:04:58am

re: #337 Freedom Turnip

Limbaugh: “The Americans With Disability Act Is One Of The Greatest Ruses That’s Ever Come Down The Pike”

This is why I really don’t feel bad. I don’t have ASD by choice. Rush OTOH has always been a piece of pig vomit by conscience.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:06:54am

re: #338 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s easy for the rich men to criticize aid programs they’ll never need.

The most maddening thing to me about people like him is how they convince people less well off “I’m just like you.” I’d like the dittoheads to see how Rush has lived after exploiting their resentments. If Rush had to make a hoenst living, he probably would be on the same public assistance programs he decries because he has no real skill other than to be a modern Streicher, a pig man who spreads propaganda to people.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:07:33am

re: #337 Freedom Turnip

Limbaugh: “The Americans With Disability Act Is One Of The Greatest Ruses That’s Ever Come Down The Pike”

There is only one action Rush can take to stop my wish for him to die a painful, lingering, and lonely death: if he takes his megaphone and tells the world that everything he said was wrong, vile, and evil and that he repents of all the harm he has done. And that he is donating his wealth to help the poor and the disabled. I will then relent — not in my desire for his death, but in my wish for it to be terrible.

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Freedom Turnip  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:07:51am

re: #338 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s easy for the rich men to criticize aid programs they’ll never need.

Yes, it also stirs hatred for the disabled as slacking con artists. Taking valuable resources away from helping the disabled, to exhaustively defending them from attacks.

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retired cynic  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:09:00am

re: #286 Interesting Times

Does Bree Newsome lurk here? Because this thread is like a pure, distilled, condensed version of every warning ever posted on LGF:

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I’d vote for HER!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:09:21am

re: #341 Hecuba’s daughter

There is only one action Rush can take to stop my wish for him to die a painful, lingering, and lonely death: if he takes his megaphone and tells the world that everything he said was wrong, vile, and evil and that he repents of all those he harmed. And that he is donating his wealth to help the poor and the disabled. I will then relent — not in my desire for his death, but in my wish for it to be terrible.

That won’t happen though. I would love to see though Rush actually facing his life though haunted by the fact that death has found him too. Suffering is part of life. Rush has never shown any empathy to anyone suffering except the people he shills for.

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Freedom Turnip  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:11:12am

His cancer was announced coincidentally just before the SOTU. No collusion whatsoever. Uh huh.

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Freedom Turnip  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:13:51am

A pill popping feind like Rush spends lots of time at the doctor’s. This was known well before this week but was announced to give Trump a win.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:14:52am

re: #346 Freedom Turnip

A pill popping feind like Rush spends lots of time at the doctor’s. This was known well before this week but was announced to give Trump a win.

I do wonder how much because Rush Limbaugh isn’t exactly a beloved figure by people outside the dittosphere.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:15:12am

re: #332 stpaulbear

That’s probably going to happen in MN too. We’ve had open primaries forever.

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I have voted for a Republican exactly one time—it was for my state senate candidate (and he was a Dem until 2004, and actually still is at heart, but figured out that the only way to be elected here in SC was a Repub.) It was worth it, but somehow it got me on some weird Republican mailing/phone lists.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:18:04am

I can’t believe Alex Jones got snubbed like that for the Medal of Freedom.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:18:08am

re: #348 BeachDem

I have voted for a Republican exactly one time—it was for my state senate candidate (and he was a Dem until 2004, and actually still is at heart, but figured out that the only way to be elected here in SC was a Repub.) It was worth it, but somehow it got me on some weird Republican mailing/phone lists.

I voted for Frank Wolf for Congress once. He was and I let his grandson know this when I worked the polls one day helpful to his constituents. Plus and this is why I know ODS was big but when he spoke at my high school, he recommended a book by Samantha Power who later became an Obama adviser. The best Virginia Republican though is John Warner. He’s done everything from opposing Bork’s nomination to SCOTUS to recently saying the Senate should have called witnesses. 93 years old and one of the last former Korean War/WWII vets taht served in the Senate left. He also endorsed HRC and both of Virginia’s Democratic senators. He’s still a Republican unfortunately but he has independence.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:18:31am

re: #349 Dave In Austin

I can’t believe Alex Jones got snubbed like that for the Medal of Freedom.

Maybe we should try to make Alex jealous of Rush. I hear they actually don’t get along.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:18:44am

re: #342 Freedom Turnip

Yes, it also stirs hatred for the disabled as slacking con artists. Taking valuable resources away from helping the disabled, to exhaustively defending them from attacks.

Adlai Stevenson I:

Those who corrupt the public mind are just as evil as those who steal from the public purse.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:19:04am

re: #349 Dave In Austin

I can’t believe Alex Jones got snubbed like that for the Medal of Freedom.

What is this world coming to?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:19:37am

I’ve been working the last 45 min, has the Republic collapsed because Nancy Smash tore a paper?

/

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:20:59am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:21:14am

re: #351 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:22:08am

re: #354 Sir John Barron

I’ve been working the last 45 min, has the Republic collapsed because Nancy Smash tore a paper?

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Dogs and cats living together…mass hysteria!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:22:22am

re: #352 BeachDem

Adlai Stevenson I:

Those who corrupt the public mind are just as evil as those who steal from the public purse.

My Dad’s mom loved Adlai I’ve heard.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:23:02am

re: #326 Targetpractice

Here’s Doug Jones, a man running for a full term in November, knowing that he’s likely surrendering his seat to do what is right.

Meanwhile, Joe Manchin isn’t up for reelection for another 4 years, yet he’s so scared of losing then that he’s mumbling about censure and leaving his vote up in the air.

“Listen, if Dems has only gone for a mere censure, instead of leaping to Impeachment, we might have gotten Susan Collins to think about looking at voting for Censure in the Senate, maybe, if the censure wasn’t worded to censurious. “

//

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:23:21am

re: #356 Dave In Austin

That’s much nicer than anything Rush ever has said about a sick Democrat.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:25:15am

Anybody else remember when Senator Obama was run over the coals for just sitting in the pews when a preacher most of the country had never heard of said “Goddamn American” during a sermon? Remember when there were many in the media who suggested that the revelation could cost him the election?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:25:26am

re: #360 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s much nicer than anything Rush ever has said about a sick Democrat.

Seriously. Imagine if Maddow was the one with cancer. The GOP would be praying for her to go quickly.

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Freedom Turnip  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:26:47am

re: #362 Eclectic Cyborg

Seriously. Imagine if Maddow was the one with cancer. The GOP would be praying for her to go quickly.

And she’s never said anything hateful towards anyone. A completely different ballpark.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:26:48am

re: #341 Hecuba’s daughter

There is only one action Rush can take to stop my wish for him to die a painful, lingering, and lonely death: if he takes his megaphone and tells the world that everything he said was wrong, vile, and evil and that he repents of all the harm he has done. And that he is donating his wealth to help the poor and the disabled. I will then relent — not in my desire for his death, but in my wish for it to be terrible.

he is not emily litella

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:27:43am

re: #362 Eclectic Cyborg

Seriously. Imagine if Maddow was the one with cancer. The GOP would be praying for her to go quickly slowly and painfully.

They are that vindictive.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:28:32am

re: #362 Eclectic Cyborg

Seriously. Imagine if Maddow was the one with cancer. The GOP would be praying for her to go quickly.

And Rachel really is never outright nasty. Partisan, yes. Rush is an outright asshole who gets his kicks belittling those who happen to be left of center. I had no idea until last night but apparently he mocked Robin Williams’ suicide because according to Dr. Limbaugh, Robin being a left winger made him depressed. It’s that kind of shit that makes me say fuck Rush.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:30:04am

re: #363 Freedom Turnip

And she’s never said anything hateful towards anyone. A completely different ballpark.

The most amusing thing to me is they claim he’s a satirist. Nah, he’s just an asshole.

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retired cynic  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:33:11am

How a Racist President Is Trying to Woo Black Voters
Trump’s use of cash and clemency demonstrate his corrupt intent.
by Nancy LeTourneau, Washington Monthly

Last week the New York Times reported that a Trump ally held an event at which they were handing out cash to black attendees. The transactional (i.e., corrupt) nature of political support in exchange for cash is so deeply Trumpian that it hardly requires commentary.

But then came a Trump campaign Super Bowl ad that featured the release of Alice Marie Johnson, a 64-year-old black grandmother from Mississippi, who was convicted and sentenced to life in prison for her role in a drug-trafficking conspiracy. Reality-TV star Kim Kardashian West had lobbied the president for a commutation of her sentence, which he granted in 2018. It will come as no surprise that the commercial was based on several lies.

Trump has ruled on only 204 clemency requests — 24 approvals and 180 denials. That is the slowest pace in decades.

Just like everything else with Trump, the power of clemency has become a transactional process: you do something for me and I’ll do something for you. That is why the president’s first pardon went to nativist sheriff Joe Arpaio, who had been a vocal Trump supporter.

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retired cynic  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:34:14am

re: #368 retired cynic

The one that really turned my stomach:

A case that has gotten less attention is the one involving the commutation of Sholom Rubashkin’s sentence. He was the owner of the meatpacking plant in Postville, Iowa that was raided by ICE agents during George W. Bush’s presidency. Rubashkin was later found guilty of bilking lenders out of more than $26 million.

Celebrity attorney Alan Dershowitz, a Trump ally who defended the president at his impeachment trial, got in a pitch for client Sholom Rubashkin during a 2017 visit to the White House to discuss Middle East policy. Dershowitz said he used a few minutes with Trump in the Oval Office to urge clemency for the Iowa kosher meatpacking executive sentenced to 27 years for money laundering…

Rubashkin’s backers included conservative Jews and evangelical Christians, significant strands of Trump’s political coalition. Kushner, an Orthodox Jew, was Rubashkin’s most vocal advocate inside the White House, according to two former officials.

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sagehen  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:34:35am

re: #335 KingKenrod

If Dems want to make a dent in campaigning against the Trump economy, they need to tell voters that it is being done entirely with borrowed money, just like the casinos he bankrupted. Trump is borrowing money, squandering it, and when the whole thing collapses he will leave everyone else holding the bag. It’s a simple message.

also, the “wages increasing” and “people lifted out of poverty” is mostly due to the blue state legislatures raising the minimum wage.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:34:39am

re: #358 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

My Dad’s mom loved Adlai I’ve heard.

That particular quote is from Adlai I, Adlai II’s grandfather, who was Grover Cleveland’s VP. (And I didn’t know that until I looked it up)

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:35:12am

re: #368 retired cynic

How a Racist President Is Trying to Woo Black Voters
Trump’s use of cash and clemency demonstrate his corrupt intent.
by Nancy LeTourneau, Washington Monthly

Trump’s approach to “racial outreach” is everything that wingnuts have spent literal decades screaming that Democrats do, namely buying votes with money and with favors.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:36:23am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:37:29am

re: #371 BeachDem

That particular quote is from Adlai I, Adlai II’s grandfather, who was Grover Cleveland’s VP. (And I didn’t know that until I looked it up)

Well to play Genealogy Degrees of Kevin Bacon, I have a biography from a directory that confirms my Great Great Grandfather’s brother was Cleveland’s postmaster general for their township in Pennsylvania just outside of Pittsburgh. BTW easy to see why I thought it was the 52/56 candidate because he said this “Thank you ma’am but I need a majority” to a voter who told him that he would get the vote of every thikning man and woman she knew.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:39:09am

re: #373 Charles Johnson

I mean the man deserves to be honored for sure. No ifs and butts about it but it was cynical political theater especially given Trump’s belittling of military generals who don’t think like him.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:39:46am

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 200202 edition ———————->
(An Easier Week)

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:39:54am

re: #329 BeachDem

That’s pretty outrageous. Norah should be ashamed of herself. What a suck up. Our media is broken. It’s not just Fox News.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:40:38am

re: #373 Charles Johnson

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The tweet really gives the game away, that the whole speech was little more than a collection of campaign ad moments. That it was a taxpayer-funded campaign rally.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:42:52am

re: #378 Targetpractice

The tweet really gives the game away, that the whole speech was little more than a collection of campaign ad moments. That it was a taxpayer-funded campaign rally.

Yep it wasn’t a SOTU address and Pelosi knew it. That’s why she did what she did and now they’re mad because he doesn’t get to exploit a 100 year old veteran for cheap political points.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:44:33am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:44:59am

re: #380 Scottish Dragon

Susan Collins: I’m so concerned but I can’t actually do anything about this!

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:45:16am

Good Morning.
Ebola, Trump, Coronavirus and China travel policy. But the science is again unwelcome at the White House. Paged.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:45:38am

re: #356 Dave In Austin

Fuck cancer and fuck Limbaugh.

Just because a raging bigot and misogynist is suddenly facing his own mortality doesn’t mean that I have to be kind to him or ignore his past, present, and his legacy of agitprop, hate, and misinformation that helped spawn the likes of Trump and the cult that approves of Trump.

Limbaugh has spent years spewing nonsense about pretty much everything. He lies and obfuscates about health care delivery and funding in the US, and backs the eliminating of Obamacare - which protects those with preexisting conditions from seeing massive premium hikes (and provides millions with coverage where they didn’t have any before thanks to Medicaid expansion that the GOP opposed).

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:46:20am

re: #381 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Susan Collins: I’m so concerned but I can’t actually do anything about this!

Lisa Murkowski: I’m so saddened that this totally partisan process by Democrats forces me to join in a totally partisan process by my fellow Republicans.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:46:43am

re: #374 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well to play Genealogy Degrees of Kevin Bacon, I have a biography from a directory that confirms my Great Great Grandfather’s brother was Cleveland’s postmaster general for their township in Pennsylvania just outside of Pittsburgh. BTW easy to see why I thought it was the 52/56 candidate because he said this “Thank you ma’am but I need a majority” to a voter who told him that he would get the vote of every thikning man and woman she knew.

And also one of my favorite lines (which was one he adapted from a similar one attributed to his grandfather—yes, I am a nerd)

I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:46:55am

re: #383 lawhawk

Fuck cancer and fuck Limbaugh.

Just because a raging bigot and misogynist is suddenly facing his own mortality doesn’t mean that I have to be kind to him or ignore his past, present, and his legacy of agitprop, hate, and misinformation that helped spawn the likes of Trump and the cult that approves of Trump.

Limbaugh has spent years spewing nonsense about pretty much everything. He lies and obfuscates about health care delivery and funding in the US, and backs the eliminating of Obamacare - which protects those with preexisting conditions from seeing massive premium hikes (and provides millions with coverage where they didn’t have any before thanks to Medicaid expansion that the GOP opposed).

I mean he’s literally denied the genocide of the Native Americans. That’s who Rush is. He’s not just some perosn who has ideas that conflict with mine. He’s someone whose fundamental sense of morality and decency conflict.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:49:32am

re: #378 Targetpractice

The tweet really gives the game away, that the whole speech was little more than a collection of campaign ad moments. That it was a taxpayer-funded campaign rally.

Which is pretty much what Chris Murphy said.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:51:05am

re: #376 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 200202 edition ———————->
(An Easier Week)

thegreatpoolpondconversion started as some instagram posts and a modest email list to family and friends.

Then I started posting each week’s email here at lgf, edited only slightly to delude myself into believing i’m anonymous (not anymouse).

I hadn’t been watching the page hits until recently.
Over the last three weeks something interesting happened.
The January 19 post has nearly 3,500 hits as of today.
Last week’s - January 26 has nearly 4,600.
I took a look back and noticed we were averaging 800-900 hits a week before then.

Maybe something caught on.
To paraphrase Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles, “we’re rapidly becoming a big underground success in this town”.

And that’s kind of exciting.

Unless it’s that some bot got a hold of them and opens them up every few seconds just to mess with the stats.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:51:52am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:53:04am

re: #385 BeachDem

And also one of my favorite lines (which was one he adapted from a similar one attributed to his grandfather—yes, I am a nerd)

I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.

His one on Norman Vincent Peale- “Speaking as a Christian, I find the Apostle Paul appealing and the Apostle Peale appalling.” That was before he engaged in Anti-Catholicism against JFK. i can see why he attracted a following. Probably would have been a decent President.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:54:08am

re: #384 Targetpractice

Lisa Murkowski: I’m so saddened that this totally partisan process by Democrats forces me to join in a totally partisan process by my fellow Republicans.

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retired cynic  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:55:16am
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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:55:47am

This will probably upset him more than anything:

Trump’s State of the Union viewership plummets 21 percent in one year

Deadline reported that early results show that the combined network audiences were down 21% from 2019.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:56:08am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:56:18am

re: #391 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

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This partisanship is awful, I will prove my point by being partisan! I don’t know how more moderate minded voters than me see stuff like that but I see “Okay you’re saying that, what are you saying again?” Jerry Lundergaard would have been a great Republican senator.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:56:30am

re: #386 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean he’s literally denied the genocide of the Native Americans. That’s who Rush is. He’s not just some perosn who has ideas that conflict with mine. He’s someone whose fundamental sense of morality and decency conflict.

My favorite Rush moment was back in the 90’s in those halcyon days when Clinton was running a budget surplus

He pointed out that it was “immoral” for the government to take more money from us than it needed to operate.

Really.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:56:42am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:56:58am

re: #393 BeachDem

This will probably upset him more than anything:

Trump’s State of the Union viewership plummets 21 percent in one year

Deadline reported that early results show that the combined network audiences were down 21% from 2019.

Sad tuba

399
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:58:52am

re: #396 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My favorite Rush moment was back in the 90’s in those halcyon days when Clinton was running a budget surplus

He pointed out that it was “immoral” for the government to take more money from us than it needed to operate.

Really.

If Jeb somehow became the GOP nominee four years ago, Rush would be praising Jeb and Jeb’s greatness. That’s what makes Rush so sad. He really is somehow who has no original thoughts other than Goooooooo team. I just wish Rush could live to see a woman President.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:58:59am

re: #396 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My favorite Rush moment was back in the 90’s in those halcyon days when Clinton was running a budget surplus

He pointed out that it was “immoral” for the government to take more money from us than it needed to operate.

Really.

because hurricanes, wildfires, terrorist attacks, and other unplanned events never happen

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:00:55am

re: #389 Charles Johnson

Or as I saw floating around the Internet, “Did you hear? Horrible news; cancer has terminal Rush Limbaugh.”

402
BeachDem  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:02:06am

JFC, Republicans are stupid (part the infinity)—and of course, Charlie Kirk is all in on this one as well.

403
Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:02:44am
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makeitstop  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:04:44am

re: #393 BeachDem

This will probably upset him more than anything:

Trump’s State of the Union viewership plummets 21 percent in one year

Deadline reported that early results show that the combined network audiences were down 21% from 2019.

That warms my cold, black heart.

I hope that fact gets tweeted to him hundreds of times today.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:05:07am

re: #403 Dread Pirate

The reason the GOP hates the idea of a President Pence is because if Pence (and the Cabinet) invoked the 25th against Trump, the base would turn on the GOP and sit out this November’s election out of pure, unadulterated spite.

And Pence has all the charisma of a glass of milk that’s been left sitting on the counter for the last 72 hours.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:05:12am

re: #403 Dread Pirate

They know that Pence is unelectable? They know that admitting Trump is a clear and present danger to the nation and is incapable of governing isn’t going to happen? They are complicit in covering up Trump’s criminal conduct and incompetence?

Yes. All of it. Yes.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:05:33am

re: #381 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Susan Collins: I’m so concerned but I can’t actually do anything about this!

My brow furrows have furrows.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:05:58am

Rush is an entirely successful businessman: he has a rabidly loyal niche audience, and if you want to sell someone items like chainsaws, beer coolers, pickup trucks, turkey deep-fryers or stretch clothing, you will find your target audience listening to his program…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:06:12am

re: #402 BeachDem

JFC, Republicans are stupid (part the infinity)—and of course, Charlie Kirk is all in on this one as well.

I thought Charlie cared about free peach. Turned out, he was just an authoritarian bootlicker. But not really a shock since Charlie Kirk is the James O’Keefe of Jacob Wohls.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:07:57am

re: #408 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Rush is an entirely successful businessman: he has a rabidly loyal niche audience, and if you want to sell someone items like chainsaws, beer coolers, pickup trucks, turkey deep-fryers or stretch clothing, you will find your target audience listening to his program…

I had a classmate when in my lab for my required science credit at college that was sipping on Rush branded iced tea one day. I just don’t get the guy’s appeal. I don’t like Bill Maher either so it’s not a left-right thing. It’s that Rush appeals to stupidity, meanness, and ignorance.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:11:00am

re: #396 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My favorite Rush moment was back in the 90’s in those halcyon days when Clinton was running a budget surplus

He pointed out that it was “immoral” for the government to take more money from us than it needed to operate.

Really.

This same situation is currently going on right now in Kansas. The Governor’s tax hikes have resulted in massive revenue that Republicans are now saying is “immoral” for the government to realize. This load of bilk comes straight from the same lackies that cheered the previous Republican Governor’s complete and total fail in Libertarian Economics that resulted in a cash-strapped state mired in budget deficts.

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sagehen  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:11:41am

re: #385 BeachDem

And also one of my favorite lines (which was one he adapted from a similar one attributed to his grandfather—yes, I am a nerd)

I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.

why did I always think that was a Harry S Truman line?

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:14:36am

re: #393 BeachDem

This will probably upset him more than anything:

Trump’s State of the Union viewership plummets 21 percent in one year

Deadline reported that early results show that the combined network audiences were down 21% from 2019.

414
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:16:15am

re: #410 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I had a classmate when in my lab for my required science credit at college that was sipping on Rush branded iced tea one day. I just don’t get the guy’s appeal. I don’t like Bill Maher either so it’s not a left-right thing. It’s that Rush appeals to stupidity, meanness, and ignorance.

qft


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