This Is Songwriting: James Taylor, “Enough to Be on Your Way”

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I’ve always loved this heart-wrenching song. It’s one of James Taylor’s best, and that means one of the best by anyone. And I never knew there was a video, so I’m sharing it with you after this disappointing but long-expected day.

My departed friend Carlos Vega played drums on this with his usual un-flashy brilliance. I’ll always miss him.

Music video by James Taylor performing Enough To Be On Your Way. (C) 1997 Sony BMG Music Entertainment

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:18:07pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:20:31pm

CLed. That new anti Romney ad. Jeezus

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:24:22pm

re: #2 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

same here. I will just run those three pieces of mail through the shredder. That has a certain satisfaction not perfect but it will do for now.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:24:27pm

This song is actually James’ memorial to his brother Alex, with details changed, obviously.

Carlos killed himself in 1998, for reasons no one ever knew.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:24:28pm

From downstairs. Your PSA of the day.

re: #493 PhillyPretzel

Sort of OT but not exactly: I just got three pieces of mail from our so-called president. All three pieces have my name spelled incorrectly. DT has truly pissed me off. Not only will he not get my vote but I am thinking of sending back said pieces of mail saying said person does not exist. I cannot think of anything else to do at the moment.

If they included a postage paid return envelope, tape a brick to it and mail it back.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:25:46pm

re: #5 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

lol. Thanks I needed that. I will use my shredder as I stated up thread. :)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:27:19pm

re: #3 PhillyPretzel

same here. I will just run those three pieces of mail through the shredder. That has a certain satisfaction not perfect but it will do for now.

I wonder how big a shit show his speech will be tomorrow

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:27:43pm

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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:29:27pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:29:29pm

So, having yesterday made Susan Collins look like an idiot by once again declaring he did nothing wrong after she said he’d learn from this, Trump made her look like an idiot AGAIN for having been so scandalized by the idea that Trump is vindictive, by going after Romney with that video.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:31:12pm

May he R.I.P.

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gocart mozart  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:34:46pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:35:20pm

re: #9 Dread Pirate

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Glad we’re paying for Frick and Frack to make money off of us.

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:35:46pm

CL’d and knew I would be when I saw the number I was responding to:

re: #445 Belafon

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:36:30pm

re: #11 Patricia Kayden

May he R.I.P.

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Great letter.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:40:59pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:42:13pm

re: #16 Dave In Austin

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If she’s not concerned, she’s disappointed. Hopefully she will be both on election night.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:42:25pm

re: #16 Dave In Austin

Collins has to be the biggest concern-troll in American politics today.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:43:08pm

re: #11 Patricia Kayden

In honor of Mr Douglas all I have to say is, “I am Spartacus.”

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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:43:20pm

These lyrics are from the heart.

————
So the sun shines on this funeral just the same as on a birth
The way it shines on everything that happens here on Earth
It rolls across the western sky and back into the sea
And spends the day’s last rays upon this fucked up family
So long, old pal.

Last time I saw Alice she was leaving Santa Fe
With a bunch of round-eyed Buddhists in a killer Chevrolet
Said they turned her out of Texas, yeah she burned ‘em down back home
Now she’s wild with expectation on the edge of the unknown

Singing oh, it’s enough to be on your way
It’s enough to cover ground
It’s enough to be movin’ on
Home, build it behind your eyes
Carry it in your heart
Safe among your own.

They brought her back on a Friday night, same day I was born
We sent her up the smokestack, yes and back into the storm
She blew up over the San Juan Mountains, she spent herself at last
The threat of heavy weather, that was what she knew the best.

Oh, it’s enough to be on your way
It’s enough just to cover ground
It’s enough to be movin’ on
Home, better build it behind your eyes
Carry it in your heart
Safe among your own

It woke me up on a Sunday, an hour before the sun
Had me watchin’ the headlights out on highway 591
‘Til I stepped into my trousers, ‘til i pulled my big boots on
I walked out on the mesa and I stumbled on this song

Oh, it’s enough to be on your way
It’s enough to cover ground
It’s enough to be movin on
Home, boy, build it behind your eyes
Carry it in your heart
Safe among your own.

So long, old gal.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:43:50pm

re: #16 Dave In Austin

“Senator Collins, people are calling you a lily-livered, chickenshit hypocrite.”

“Do you have a question?”

“No.”

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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:46:35pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

YIXC9tH031Y/ehhhMeh0vj3eS8RbjkLpKSk5zIYVMuiIdICsWy/BUreezJ2yZcUn6+uA2qqpOs1X5J/u6WGv4Q==

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Mescalero09  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:49:27pm
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:50:49pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:51:48pm

Fixed the pic I stole

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:53:01pm

re: #25 gocart mozart

Fixed the pic I stole

Rush has never looked better. The hood really suits him.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:53:39pm

re: #22 Dave In Austin

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Mescalero09  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:54:11pm

Rush looks like shit. Because you know he had the best makeup people available, and he still looks like shit.
Nice.

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:54:34pm

I swear the other guy thinks that the reason the tweet dehumanised Rustin is that he was a Black man in life; while I think it was because the info of who he was and why his pardon is important is more needed in a tweet. After all, a tweet is like a _headline_ when there’s an article embedded and how often do headlines use a name when a description will do?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:55:02pm

re: #28 Mescalero09

Rush looks like shit. Because you know he had the best makeup people available, and he still looks like shit.
Nice.

Looks can be deceiving. Or not.

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:56:59pm

re: #28 Mescalero09

Rush looks like shit. Because you know he had the best makeup people available, and he still looks like shit.
Nice.

As I said elsewehre, the one good piece of news from last night other than, arguably, the speech being torn up is that his official ceremony will almost certainly be posthumous.

And the only reason for the “arguably” is what the Rs have turned it into, and the risk that while they obviously can’t hurt a California Republican, they might be able to tie her to people in less-blue places.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:58:14pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:58:42pm

re: #16 Dave In Austin

But not disappointed in Trump for refusing to shake Pelosi’s hand which is polite and customary. Collins can go jump off a bridge. Hope she’s voted out in November.

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Mescalero09  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:59:07pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

I know what I see. YMMV

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CleverToad  Feb 5, 2020 • 5:59:42pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

The past master, yanking the heartstrings.

Didn’t know there was a video — thanks for posting this, especially tonight.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:05:03pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:06:41pm

re: #36 Patricia Kayden

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He’s going to be even more insufferable since he knows he can count on the Senate Republicans to completely ignore his criminality.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:08:23pm

GAHFUCKINGFUCKYOUFUCK!

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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:15:50pm

There’s a reason nobody reads USA Today.

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:22:38pm

re: #32 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:23:19pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:23:22pm

re: #39 Dread Pirate

There’s a reason nobody reads USA Today.

Is it that it’s written for a reading level below even King Donald?

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:25:28pm

re: #38 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

GAHFUCKINGFUCKYOUFUCK!

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TRUMP IS RUBBER AND YOUR GLUE!!!1!!!1!111

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gocart mozart  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:27:46pm
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:28:12pm

re: #36 Patricia Kayden

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He’s not resilient

He has a mob protecting and abetting him

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:31:22pm

re: #41 Dread Pirate

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Even if it was the only copy, it was on fucking tv
Likely at least one person somewhere recorded it

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:33:18pm

re: #39 Dread Pirate

There’s a reason nobody reads USA Today.

Peter Baker at the NYT:

The votes, ending the third presidential impeachment trial in American history, were a resounding victory for Mr. Trump after five months of blaring scandal over Ukraine that embroiled Washington and threatened his presidency. But both sides agreed that the final judgment on Mr. Trump will be rendered by voters when they cast ballots in just nine months.

nytimes.com

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:34:51pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:38:30pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:39:01pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:44:33pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:44:41pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:47:25pm
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jeffreyw  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:48:17pm

re: #41 Dread Pirate

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The way I understand it, when she tore up the speech it was rendered null and void. He will have to do it over else it just didn’t happen, per the parliamentarian of the house. If they can find a copy of it it may be avoided but chances of that appear slim.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:48:38pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:52:54pm

re: #54 jeffreyw

The way I understand it, when she tore up the speech it was rendered null and void. He will have to do it over else it just didn’t happen, per the parliamentarian of the house. If they can find a copy of it it may be avoided but chances of that appear slim.

I’m pretty sure they have it on video.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 5, 2020 • 6:54:12pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹🎃

A resounding victory? It was a bipartisan vote to convict and remove and a partisan vote to acquit. Please!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:00:03pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:00:15pm

re: #55 Patricia Kayden

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:02:11pm

Idiocracy report:

Fox Guest: Calif. Is Falling Apart Because People Are ‘Shooting Up’ Marijuana

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:03:10pm

re: #54 jeffreyw

The way I understand it, when she tore up the speech it was rendered null and void. He will have to do it over else it just didn’t happen, per the parliamentarian of the house. If they can find a copy of it it may be avoided but chances of that appear slim.

And not only that, since Trump is required to give a SOTU we can impeach Trump again!

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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:03:38pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:03:49pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:04:12pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Idiocracy report:

Fox Guest: Calif. Is Falling Apart Because People Are ‘Shooting Up’ Marijuana

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It’s true, I have a syringe of 50% homegrown and 50% GG#4, and I’m about to shoot up.

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:09:04pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:11:40pm

re: #64 Dread Pirate

It’s true, I have a syringe of 50% homegrown and 50% GG#4, and I’m about to shoot up.

Alien OG over here.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:12:20pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

What the FUCK?

I’d bet that better than half of the total enrollment in the NEXUS border-crossing program between the US and Canada is New York traffic from Buffalo and Niagara Falls.

This will be a massive clusterfuck if it’s allowed to stand.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:15:51pm

Republican Genocide.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:26:30pm

re: #63 Chrysicat

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States rights.//

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:29:30pm

Things are going great in California (at least according to Republican propaganda)! Californian science has replaced the noxious weed with a convenient injectable form and, as our friend Teleskiguy observed a while back, other Republican reports indicate that the place is so rich bums are snorting cocaine right off the streets.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:30:13pm

...

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:30:40pm

re: #71 The Pie Overlord!

WTAFITFS

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com

That was ridiculously fast.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:31:27pm

re: #72 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com

That was ridiculously fast.

Trump Tweeted: “What Really Happened?” (sorry I did not get a screen grab)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:35:22pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:37:40pm

re: #74 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Greenwald showing why he’s a shitty journalist.

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gocart mozart  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:43:46pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:43:48pm

Oh look a fucking idiot==>

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:44:34pm

re: #77 The Pie Overlord!

Oh look a fucking idiot==>

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Go back to your safe space at Mar Al Lago.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:44:45pm

re: #77 The Pie Overlord!

Oh look a fucking idiot==>

Nobody is above the law, except, of course, the impeached President* of the United States. Fuck you, asshole.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:45:16pm

re: #75 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Greenwald showing why he’s a shitty journalist.

Greenwald, Brooks, who’s next?

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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:45:27pm
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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:48:53pm

re: #77 The Pie Overlord!

Oh look a fucking idiot==>

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And inviting Chucky to the SOTU a few years ago reflected the dignity of the House… how, exactly, Matt DUI Gaetz?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:52:13pm

re: #36 Patricia Kayden

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So he’s the first prototype of the Grift Terminator?

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:54:16pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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The longer I think about this, the worse it gets.

How many people in New York’s North Country (Elise Stefanik’s district, if she can hold it) use the NEXUS card program to go back and forth to nearby Canada? They’re fucked by this.

There’s an entire bridge in Niagara Falls Falls that is exclusive to us NEXUS users. Shut off NEXUS to New Yorkers and that bridge becomes useless… which then clogs the other very busy crossings nearby and screws with the tourist economy. (That’s NY-27, the now vacant Chris Collins district that’s already on the target list to flip blue)

And shut off Global Entry to New Yorkers? That’s going to create a clusterfuck of monumental dimensions at JFK and Newark.

If this was thought through at all, it sure didn’t take any of that into account, and I can’t imagine there won’t be lawsuits by tomorrow morning.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:56:03pm
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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 7:58:31pm

re: #84 i(m)p(each)sos

The longer I think about this, the worse it gets.

How many people in New York’s North Country (Elise Stefanik’s district, if she can hold it) use the NEXUS card program to go back and forth to nearby Canada? They’re fucked by this.

There’s an entire bridge in Niagara Falls Falls that is exclusive to us NEXUS users. Shut off NEXUS to New Yorkers and that bridge becomes useless… which then clogs the other very busy crossings nearby and screws with the tourist economy. (That’s NY-27, the now vacant Chris Collins district that’s already on the target list to flip blue)

And shut off Global Entry to New Yorkers? That’s going to create a clusterfuck of monumental dimensions at JFK and Newark.

If this was thought through at all, it sure didn’t take any of that into account, and I can’t imagine there won’t be lawsuits by tomorrow morning.

That’s what they want. They are trying to punish NY for helping immigrants. And they basically want people to turn against the local government.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:00:38pm

re: #86 Belafon

That’s what they want. They are trying to punish NY for helping immigrants. And they basically want people to turn against the local government.

It almost makes sense on paper… but I think they’ll find that there are a lot of rich Republicans in NYC who use Global Entry fairly often and who will be ripshit about this. And they’re not going to buy the “blame it on Andrew Cuomo” line.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:04:31pm

Has anyone tied Mitt to Hillary yet?
My money is they will be joined at the hip by morning.

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BigPapa  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:06:19pm

How soon before Trump gets Fox to give him time and space in their facilities?

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:06:56pm

Unfortunately, the replies demonstrate just how deep the Accelerationist spirit really goes. They honest to god believe that refusing to help beat Trump is going to lead to some fucking magic equilibrium that will make it that much easier to vote for further left wing candidates and fix things magically, not taking into account just how much worse shit will get in the interim even if that did happen. They’re so offended at the idea of voting for a ‘lesser evil’ that they’re willing to let the greater evil run total roughshod, and then they have the gall to proclaim shit that ‘they can be centrists because they can afford to be centrists’ at folks who point out just who will fucking get hurt the worst if the GOP doesn’t get checked in some capacity.

Just….holy fucking goddamn fuckall.

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retired cynic  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:07:17pm

re: #89 BigPapa

How soon before Trump gets Fox to give him time and space in their facilities?

With the threat that he’ll buy OAAN, or whatever it is, if they don’t hand it over.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:07:42pm

re: #86 Belafon

That’s what they want. They are trying to punish NY for helping immigrants. And they basically want people to turn against the local government.

If the Trump DHS starts fucking with the NEXUS program, there’s almost no way it doesn’t end up affecting Michigan, too.

O hai VB - perhaps you could add a word or three about how important smooth traffic across the Canadian border is to the most populous parts of Michigan, and how screwing with it could get voters riled up?

But it’s not like he needs to win Michigan again or anything…. //

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:10:06pm

re: #90 Citizen K

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Unfortunately, the replies demonstrate just how deep the Accelerationist spirit really goes. They honest to god believe that refusing to help beat Trump is going to lead to some fucking magic equilibrium that will make it that much easier to vote for further left wing candidates and fix things magically, not taking into account just how much worse shit will get in the interim even if that did happen. They’re so offended at the idea of voting for a ‘lesser evil’ that they’re willing to let the greater evil run total roughshod, and then they have the gall to proclaim shit that ‘they can be centrists because they can afford to be centrists’ at folks who point out just who will fucking get hurt the worst if the GOP doesn’t get checked in some capacity.

Just….holy fucking goddamn fuckall.

This is why I loathe him. He’s inspired people who think if their candidate doesn’t win, it must be fraud or rigged. It’s something that I find heartbreaking because part of the process is sometimes your pick doesn’t make it but you rebound.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:10:19pm

re: #92 i(m)p(each)sos

If the Trump DHS starts fucking with the NEXUS program, there’s almost no way it doesn’t end up affecting Michigan, too.

O hai VB - perhaps you could add a word or three about how important smooth traffic across the Canadian border is to the most populous parts of Michigan, and how screwing with it could get voters riled up?

But it’s not like he needs to win Michigan again or anything…. //

I think their belief that New Yorkers will turn on the government is totally wrong. They forget how much immigration is part of the state’s identity.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:15:00pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:15:34pm

re: #94 Belafon

I think their belief that New Yorkers will turn on the government is totally wrong. They forget how much immigration is part of the state’s identity.

As usual, this harassment will have the opposite effect of what is intended. New Yorkers will get pissed at the Federal agencies. Not their city. Or state. This stuff always backfires.

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:18:09pm

re: #93 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This is why I loathe him. He’s inspired people who think if their candidate doesn’t win, it must be fraud or rigged. It’s something that I find heartbreaking because part of the process is sometimes your pick doesn’t make it but you rebound.

It’d be different if it was just his supporters and the campaign itself disavowed this kind of behavior. But considering that his highest and most visible staff are doing their best to stoke this exact kind of flame makes it clear that this is shit coming from and encouraged at the top. It’s shit, and it’s chock full of DARVO.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:18:28pm

re: #96 Rightwingconspirator

As usual, this harassment will have the opposite effect of what is intended. New Yorkers will get pissed at the Federal agencies. Not their city. Or state. This stuff always backfires.

And in this particular case, screwing with Global Entry will piss off exactly the wealthy NYC frequent travelers who are also the money spigots for a lot of GOP establishment causes. Make them wait an extra half hour at JFK immigration and the shit will hit the fan REAL fast.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:19:18pm

re: #97 Citizen K

It’d be different if it was just his supporters and the campaign itself disavowed this kind of behavior. But considering that his highest and most visible staff are doing their best to stoke this exact kind of flame makes it clear that this is shit coming from and encouraged at the top. It’s shit, and it’s chock full of DARVO.

Four years ago I wanted to give him a chance but I really think he has a lot of similar attributes to Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:24:43pm

This has to be the most hostile to immigrants presidency I can think of. Andrew Johnson, funnily enough and he was a bigot was actually sympathetic to European immigrants. This whole thing is Trump and Miller being assholes. It’s yet another example of how Trumpism is fascist.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:32:13pm

re: #36 Patricia Kayden

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:36:08pm

re: #101 jaunte

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Yeah I’m stumped to think of one.

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William Lewis  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:36:20pm

Just realized I haven’t seen anything from Decatur Deb of late. Has anyone seen or heard anything from him?

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Teukka  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:38:51pm

So this #DailyGroaner scrolled by in my feeds:

Concrete IT Support
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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:39:04pm
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Belafon  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:40:26pm
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Sherlock Hound  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:45:41pm

re: #90 Citizen K

Yup. Socialist Rifle Association

I knew someone on Twitter whose roommate belonged to that group.
Once, she got drunk with her piece and shot holes in the floor.
HER roommate got out of that place as soon as he could.

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gocart mozart  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:49:32pm
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jaunte  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:54:49pm

re: #103 William Lewis

I think someone said earlier he was just taking a break.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:56:46pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 8:59:47pm

I think I’ve also managed the reverse screw-up too, tweeting something I thought was ironic that they intended to be sincere. It’s why I tend to stick to stuff I sincerely agree with now unless it’s ridiculously over-the-top satire; there’s just no bottom to what these people mean!

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William Lewis  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:03:48pm

re: #109 jaunte

I think someone said earlier he was just taking a break.

Ok, thanks for the information. I was wondering about Tele and realized I hadn’t seen him either.

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mmmirele  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:25:37pm

re: #89 BigPapa

How soon before Trump gets Fox to give him time and space in their facilities?

Just a question, kind of on this subject. If an employer has a jumbotron (8 feet by 12 feet, say) screen playing Fox News (no sound, but closed caption) in the front of a room in the guise of “monitoring,” could that be considered a “hostile work environment”? Asking for a friend.

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BigPapa  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:33:14pm

re: #113 mmmirele

Yes. Big Baby is hostile.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:42:19pm

I hope Karma does a quick turnaround and bite every one of those 52 Republicans in the ass.

Maybe those 52 traitors need to realize that the Ides of March is just around the corner…

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:42:55pm

Are we literally three different nations talking past each other, none of whom has any capability left to sway the others?

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:44:54pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:45:15pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now:
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]

Damn it

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:46:42pm
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:46:43pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:47:57pm

re: #118 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Was that one trying to embed Kirk Douglas hiring Trumbo for Spartacus, or is there a tweet Soonergrunt totes deleted?

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A Three Hour Tour  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:51:26pm

re: #109 jaunte

I think someone said earlier he was just taking a break.

No, earlier today, someone expressed the hope that teleskiguy was taking a break. Someone else, when the subject of Decatur Deb’s absense came up, said that Deb was taking a break.

Unless I missed a post in the previous thread in the last several hours, there has been no confirmation of teleskiguy’s status one way or the other.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:52:50pm

re: #121 Chrysicat

Was that one trying to embed Kirk Douglas hiring Trumbo for Spartacus, or is there a tweet Soonergrunt totes deleted?

totes deleted

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:55:24pm

re: #123 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Love to know why. That’s a pretty accurate assessment.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:56:39pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 9:58:53pm

re: #125 Ace-o-aces

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Idiotcracy is here.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:05:17pm

re: #28 Mescalero09

Rush looks like shit. Because you know he had the best makeup people available, and he still looks like shit.
Nice.

I’ve been wondering, since Rush’s announcement that he’s suffering from “advanced lung cancer” just how advanced it is. “Advanced” can mean a lot of things, everything from “very bad, but we might’ve caught it in the nick of time and it can be treated with aggressive therapy” to “Y’all got three months to live, so you better get your affairs in order”.

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:06:00pm

re: #119 Chrysicat

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And once again, people assume that states will vote in monoliths under a Popular Vote system. That’s not how it fucking works. More people voted for Trump in California alone in 2016 than half of the Red States. Hell, more voted for him than the total individual populations of half the states in the country. That’s one shitty monolith even if nearly twice that voted for Hillary in Cali.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:07:23pm

When Rush takes the dirt nap it’s going to be nauseating seeing how the mainstream media will join hands with Republicans to canonize him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:15:07pm

The convict pic is several years old. Now, there’s no way to be sure it’s the same James Paul Markowitz. But, exactly how many can there be?
delrionewsherald.com

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:16:19pm

…oh good, now Berners are pushing the idea that ‘Establishment Dems’ pushed impeachment in order to goose Trump’s numbers when the acquittal eventually came, because they secretly just LOOOOOOVE Trump to death. They really honest to fucking god thing the Dem party is the real enemy.

I can’t even deal with this shit anymore.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:18:39pm

re: #128 Citizen K

And once again, people assume that states will vote in monoliths under a Popular Vote system. That’s not how it fucking works. More people voted for Trump in California alone in 2016 than half of the Red States. Hell, more voted for him than the total individual populations of half the states in the country. That’s one shitty monolith even if nearly twice that voted for Hillary in Cali.

The Electoral College has created a system where Republicans don’t even bother to campaign in states like California and Democrats don’t bother to campaign in states like Nebraska - the respective party leadership teams just figure it’s not worth it.

The EC is directly responsible for creating these monoliths, and ends up leaving California Republicans - and Nebraska Democrats - feeling disenfranchised.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:21:31pm

re: #130 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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The convict pic is several years old. Now, there’s no way to be sure it’s the same James Paul Markowitz. But, exactly how many can there be?
delrionewsherald.com

This corresponds with the age in the rapsheetz page, about 6 1/2 years earlier than the
article I linked

southernminn.com

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sagehen  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:48:07pm

re: #101 jaunte

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 5, 2020 • 10:55:55pm

re: #131 Citizen K

…oh good, now Berners are pushing the idea that ‘Establishment Dems’ pushed impeachment in order to goose Trump’s numbers when the acquittal eventually came, because they secretly just LOOOOOOVE Trump to death. They really honest to fucking god thing the Dem party is the real enemy.

I can’t even deal with this shit anymore.

We already noted today (again) that twitter doesn’t represent anything but itself, since hardly anyone uses it, and that 2% of twitter users account for 80% of the content. If it aggravates you, find another amusement.

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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2020 • 11:01:51pm

re: #126 Joe Bacon 🌹

Idiotcracy is here.

Too bad it’s too late to nominate it for best documentary of the century.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 11:12:48pm

re: #136 Skip Intro

Idiocracy belongs to a rare class of films that are as much prophecy as they are dark satire or social commentary. Films such as Network are in that same class.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 5, 2020 • 11:20:08pm
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2020 • 11:24:39pm

One other film I’d also include in the “dark satire as prophecy” category is the now largely-forgotten 1979 comedy, Americathon.

Americathon predicted, amongst other things, the fall of the USSR, mainland China embracing capitalism and becoming a global economic superpower, Nike becoming a massive multinational conglomerate (Nike’s ‘Tailwind’ running shoe was just starting to gain popularity back in ‘79) and the widespread prevalence of reality television.

One of those flicks where you’re kind of left wondering if the screenwriters had access to a time machine, LOL.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 5, 2020 • 11:51:35pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 6, 2020 • 12:49:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 2:20:43am

re: #26 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Rush has never looked better. The hood really suits him.

it’s actually Ralph Stanley singing it

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 2:25:17am

Some good news to cheer everyone up.

Every single UK venue booked by anti-LGBT preacher Franklin Graham has now ditched his events, after an outcry from activists.

The Trump-supporting preacher, who is known for praising Vladimir Putin’s anti-gay laws and blaming gay people for a “moral 9/11”, is set to visit the UK at the start of Pride Month in June as part of an evangelist tour.

However, every single venue booked for the eight-date tour has now cancelled, after being made aware of his extreme anti-LGBT views.

The Utilita Arena in Newcastle was the final venue to announce it had axed the preacher, following the lead of venues in Birmingham, Newport, Glasgow, Milton Keynes, Sheffield and Liverpool. A London date, also planned, never secured a venue.

Newcastle’s Utilita Arena confirmed on Wednesday: “Following talks with our partners and relevant stakeholders we can confirm that the Franklin Graham event scheduled at the Utilita Arena Newcastle in June will not take place.”

pinknews.co.uk

Billy Graham once had a private audience with Queen Elizabeth II. Franky here has been reduced to a milk crate on a street corner.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 2:28:11am

re: #88 Dave In Austin

Has anyone tied Mitt to Hillary yet?
My money is they will be joined at the hip by morning.

He and Nancy have a secret Love Nest in Reno…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 2:32:08am

re: #119 Chrysicat

This map also shows the relative size of each state’s population.

And people vote, not trumbleweeds.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 6, 2020 • 2:51:19am

re: #77 The Pie Overlord!

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Ming5000  Feb 6, 2020 • 3:39:22am

re: #16 Dave In Austin

Susan Collins is a good example of someone who settles into meaningless tropes to avoid thoughtful engagement. I dislike people like this more than I dislike MAGAs.
Smarmy. Cowardly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 3:40:18am

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

One other film I’d also include in the “dark satire as prophecy” category is the now largely-forgotten 1979 comedy, Americathon.

Americathon predicted, amongst other things, the fall of the USSR, mainland China embracing capitalism and becoming a global economic superpower, Nike becoming a massive multinational conglomerate (Nike’s ‘Tailwind’ running shoe was just starting to gain popularity back in ‘79) and the widespread prevalence of reality television.

One of those flicks where you’re kind of left wondering if the screenwriters had access to a time machine, LOL.

Where can it be found?

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Ming5000  Feb 6, 2020 • 3:42:28am

Props to Romney. His vote is pretty important in the scheme of things.

“With my vote I will tell my children and their children that I did my duty,” Romney says. “What the president did was wrong. Grievously wrong.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 3:45:37am

re: #148 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Where can it be found?

en.wikipedia.org

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Ming5000  Feb 6, 2020 • 3:45:55am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 3:46:57am

re: #149 Ming5000

Props to Romney. His vote is pretty important in the scheme of things.

“With my vote I will tell my children and their children that I did my duty,” Romney says. “What the president did was wrong. Grievously wrong.”

It is a key crack in the facade and could well come to be seen as a turning point. At least thanks to him, the GOP cannot point at the entire impeachment process as a partisan witch-hunt.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 3:52:14am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

en.wikipedia.org

I mean is it available to stream anywhere.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 3:55:57am

re: #153 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean is it available to stream anywhere.

I am looking for that as well.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 3:57:22am

re: #148 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Where can it be found?

I’ve seen it on Bitorrent sites. There’s a DVD out there as well, but to the best of my knowledge, it’s never been given a BluRay release.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 3:59:41am

re: #153 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:10:19am

re: #156 Dr Lizardo

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:13:27am

re: #157 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:24:29am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:31:18am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:32:57am

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

One other film I’d also include in the “dark satire as prophecy” category is the now largely-forgotten 1979 comedy, Americathon.
(…)
One of those flicks where you’re kind of left wondering if the screenwriters had access to a time machine, LOL.

Another movie like that is Death Race 2000

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:35:59am

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:38:43am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:39:08am

re: #161 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

Heh, that’s a good one too.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:39:29am

OK, off to work. Be back later this evening.

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Weaselone  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:51:40am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The map shows no such thing. It just makes California, Texas, New York and Florida really big and then conflates an individual voter’s power with the total voting power of the state.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 4:58:28am

re: #166 Weaselone

The map shows no such thing. It just makes California, Texas, New York and Florida really big and then conflates an individual voters power with the total voting power if the state.

It shows them by their share of the population and not as their share of surface area.

And as their share of individual votes, unlike the EC, which takes each state as a single electoral bloc.

But California and New York are seen as poles of Liberal Evil by the Conservative World, and that is what they are on about.

Besides, they all know that Trump would’ve won the popular vote had it not been for massive voter fraud among illegal aliens…

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Weaselone  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:03:34am

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
No it does not. The map is not to scale on population. Let me provide an example. Massachusetts has about 6.75 million people. New York 19.5 million. Is Massachusetts 1/3 the size of New York in that map?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:22:19am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:23:06am

re: #119 Chrysicat

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Morning all

For the presidential election if there’s no EC then state lines are irrelevant
One person one vote everywhere
Or am I missing something?

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:23:58am

re: #117 Ace-o-aces

He thinks he’s “fighting the regressive left and reactionary right” and I bet the best he’s doing is tweeting.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:25:54am

re: #170 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Morning all

For the presidential election if there’s no EC then state lines are irrelevant
One person one vote everywhere
Or am I missing something?

Sounds about right to me.

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mmmirele  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:27:18am

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

Some good news to cheer everyone up.

pinknews.co.uk

Billy Graham once had a private audience with Queen Elizabeth II. Franky here has been reduced to a milk crate on a street corner.

Frank says he’s gonna sue all these venues for cancelling his contracts.

A spokesperson told right-wing Christian outlet CBN: “Since the original venues have broken our legal contract with them, we are pursuing appropriate actions based on grounds of religious discrimination and freedom of speech.

“The Gospel always faces opposition, so we will prayerfully and boldly continue to press forward so that the Good News of God’s love and forgiveness will be proclaimed in all of the cities we have planned to visit.”

pinknews.co.uk

I’m thinking, “this is the UK, they don’t have a constitution per se, and they have an official state religion. This is a non-starter.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:28:38am

re: #170 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Morning all

For the presidential election if there’s no EC then state lines are irrelevant
One person one vote everywhere
Or am I missing something?

Sounds good to me. States are an outmoded idea as currently enacted.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:31:46am

re: #173 mmmirele

Frank says he’s gonna sue all these venues for cancelling his contracts.

pinknews.co.uk

I’m thinking, “this is the UK, they don’t have a constitution per se, and they have an official state religion. This is a non-starter.”

They think every country has the same laws and norms as we do. And if they don’t, they’ll sue and force our way on them. Arseholes.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:32:48am

re: #175 Colère Tueur de Lapin

They think every country has the same laws and norms as we do. And if they don’t, they’ll sue and force our way on them. Arseholes.

Oh, and they want us to have a state religion, too.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:38:59am

Anyone wanna guess at “liberal law professor” Jonathan Turley’s reaction to Pelosi ripping up the speech?

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plansbandc  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:55:16am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:55:59am

re: #129 Joe Bacon 🌹

When Rush takes the dirt nap it’s going to be nauseating seeing how the mainstream media will join hands with Republicans to canonize him.

I suspect there will also need to be security around his grave site for a while since I expect there is a pretty long list of people who want to go urinate on it.

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mmmirele  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:57:25am

re: #177 Barefoot Grin

Anyone wanna guess at “liberal law professor” Jonathan Turley’s reaction to Pelosi ripping up the speech?

Lack of decorum and failing to follow norms. I told him on Twitter to put a sock in it, as he failed to follow the norm of having an issue in controversy when he was the lawyer for the polygamist family that sued to overturn Utah’s criminal anti-polygamy law. (The issue in controversy would have been an arrest. The family had “escaped” to Las Vegas.) The 10th Circuit was not buying any of Turley’s nonsense and drop-kicked the case.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 6, 2020 • 5:58:41am

re: #129 Joe Bacon 🌹

When Rush takes the dirt nap it’s going to be nauseating seeing how the mainstream media will join hands with Republicans to canonize him.

Trump will probably have him lying in state in the Capitol.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:00:17am

re: #131 Citizen K

…oh good, now Berners are pushing the idea that ‘Establishment Dems’ pushed impeachment in order to goose Trump’s numbers when the acquittal eventually came, because they secretly just LOOOOOOVE Trump to death. They really honest to fucking god thing the Dem party is the real enemy.

I can’t even deal with this shit anymore.

I can only hope that the DNC wises up and both gets rid of caucuses and non-Democrats running in the Democratic primaries. Sanders has been a negative for the party twice now, and given what is needed to fight the GOP I doubt they can continue to just let this stuff slide. It might lose votes to fringe 3rd party candidates, but they also don’t need to give the resources and exposure to the fringe either since it appears to have the same extortion effect; e.g. “Our candidate or we stay home!”.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:00:26am

re: #180 mmmirele

Lack of decorum and failing to follow norms. I told him on Twitter to put a sock in it, as he failed to follow the norm of having an issue in controversy when he was the lawyer for the polygamist family that sued to overturn Utah’s criminal anti-polygamy law. (The issue in controversy would have been an arrest. The family had “escaped” to Las Vegas.) The 10th Circuit was not buying any of Turley’s nonsense and drop-kicked the case.

Awesome! I’ve been hearing his commentary on NPR for the last few years and have no idea why he’s so respected. Clutching pearls over response to lie-filled speech by a non-exonerated criminal….

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:03:13am
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jeffreyw  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:03:48am

Good morning!

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:04:52am

re: #63 Chrysicat

The claims that he’s going to be even more unhinged now after impeachment and the GOP covering up his crimes somehow lessens or diminishes the rationale for impeaching him the first place ignores basic facts, reality, or logic.

Do we stop prosecuting career criminals because letting them off the hook somehow emboldens them to commit more crimes? Slaps on the wrist don’t work for street thugs, or so the right wing extremists love to claim.

So why are we treating Trump any different? He’s a thug and an unindicted coconspirator on multiple federal felonies. He’d have already been indicted but for DOJ policy. He has a history of felony crimes and impeachable acts starting from before he entered office. He’s repeatedly sought foreign interference and will do so again.

The GOP letting him off doesn’t change fact that Democrats tried to hold him accountable. What we learn is that the GOP doesn’t want to be held accountable either, and are willing to shred the Constitution and rule of law to remain in power at any cost. That’s the precedent they’ve set for their fellow GOPers (because we damned well know that the GOP wont apply the Trump standard to any Democrat who engages in even a fraction of what Trump openly admits to doing). They’re craven cowards who put party over nation, while Democrats try to uphold the rule of law.

The people attacking Democrats for upholding the rule of law are doing so for underhanded and misguided reasons when the real target of their ire should be the GOP under McConnell who have spent the past decade systematically undermining the rule of law and comity.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:11:30am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:13:17am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:15:07am

Trump taking a victory lap at Pulpit Pimp-0-Rama this morning…

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:15:29am

Fat Donny from Queens is at the prayer breakfast “praying”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:17:49am

Reading about it. Yep he’s totally learned his lesson.//

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:18:30am

Whatever happened to the ethics complaints (or were any filed) against Gaetz and his merry band of clowns who illegally entered the SCIF room last year?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:21:06am

re: #190 Dave In Austin

Fat Donny from Queens is at the prayer breakfast “praying”

“Bow your heads everybody, I’m about to make a perfect call to God.”

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:24:06am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:24:10am

re: #188 Dave In Austin

Gaetz knows (well, that may be up for debate) full well that what she did is not the definition of record destruction. But the rubes are buying it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:27:31am

re: #194 lawhawk

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They should know better but since they’re a cult.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:30:14am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:30:30am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:30:56am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:30:58am

re: #195 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Gaetz knows (well, that may be up for debate) full well that what she did is not the definition of record destruction. But the rubes are buying it.

Along with assholes such as Turley and the entire “Main$tream Pre$$titute$”!

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:31:33am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:33:25am

re: #190 Dave In Austin

Fat Donny from Queens is at the prayer breakfast “praying”

Did they wheel in the Golden Elephant for the Pulpit Pimps to pray to?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:37:00am

I just heard a report from WILL, the public radio station in Urbana-Champaign (my home turf) about how the coronavirus outbreak is affecting Chinese students there (there are over 6,000). There didn’t seem to be much bias from non-Chinese, but among Chinese students there were hurtful comments aimed toward fellow students from Wuhan. That kind of surprised me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:37:18am

Coach Dave goes after J-Lo and Shakira.

X from Utah Outcasts gives Coach Dave (whose son was caught with NAUGHTY STUFF on the family computer) the ridiculing he deserves!

Coach Dave Want to Sue The Super Bowl Halftime Show

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:38:44am

Daily Kos Elections is pleased to present our fourth quarterly fundraising charts of the 2020 election cycle for both the House and the Senate.

Politico reported last week that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy told his GOP colleagues that Democrats “are kicking our ass” in fundraising, and our data shows just how right he was. The Democrats who flipped GOP-held House seats in 2018 are continuing to raise money at a pace that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago, while Democratic challengers are also hauling in massive amounts. Collectively, Democratic House candidates raised $105 million during the quarter, compared to $82 million for GOP contenders (including minor candidates not listed on our chart).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:42:05am

re: #205 Belafon

Awesome news.

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mmmirele  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:42:50am

re: #204 Joe Bacon 🌹

Coach Dave goes after J-Lo and Shakira.

X from Utah Outcasts gives Coach Dave (whose son was caught with NAUGHTY STUFF on the family computer) the ridiculing he deserves!

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Every time Coach Dave is mentioned, his son Zachary (convicted of pandering obscenity) must be mentioned.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:43:55am

re: #207 mmmirele

Every time Coach Dave is mentioned, his son Zachary (convicted of pandering obscenity) must be mentioned.

Yes, the son convicted of having kiddy porn!

pressreader.com

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:44:22am

You have to wonder how many people he talked out of quitting smoking.
nydailynews.com

Rush Limbaugh denied health risks of smoking years before lung cancer diagnosis: ‘I would like a medal for smoking cigars’

“Firsthand smoke takes 50 years to kill people, if it does,” he said. “Not everybody that smokes gets cancer. Now, it’s true that everybody who smokes dies, but so does everyone who eats carrots.”

Limbaugh went on to ask why the government didn’t ban tobacco if it was so dangerous before claiming the society had vilified smokers, even though “their purchases are funding children’s health care programs.”

“I would like a medal for smoking cigars, is what I’m saying,” Limbaugh added.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:48:43am

Pretty much says it all (“Arthur, I don’t know if I agree with you”; goes on to attack his enemies):

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:51:23am

It’s time to elect a President who won’t waste any time at Pulpit Pimp-0-Rama.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:52:15am

re: #209 Rightwingconspirator

Gee rush. We are asking the same about guns.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:52:24am

re: #209 Rightwingconspirator

You have to wonder how many people he talked out of quitting smoking.
nydailynews.com

He really has done a lot of damage to society. I really have a hard time sympathizing with him.

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plansbandc  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:53:49am

re: #186 lawhawk

It’s like trying to tiptoe around an abuser so that you don’t set him off.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:54:07am

re: #213 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He really has done a lot of damage to society. I really have a hard time sympathizing with him.

If Rush dies from this, I will praise him for taking some cancer with him to the grave.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:58:52am

re: #215 Belafon

If Rush dies from this, I will praise him for taking some cancer with him to the grave.

Well played.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 6:59:38am

re: #168 Weaselone

No it does not. The map is not to scale on population. Let me provide an example. Massachusetts has about 6.75 million people. New York 19.5 million. Is Massachusetts 1/3 the size of New York in that map?

Okay, so it is scaremongering. Here is a more accurate rendering:

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:03:10am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:05:06am

Pulpit Pimp 0 Rama is what mainstream Xtianity is today.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:09:33am

re: #215 Belafon

If Rush dies from this, I will praise him for taking some cancer with him to the grave.

I will shed tears for the poor innocent cancer in that cesspool.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:11:05am

re: #220 Joe Bacon 🌹

I will shed tears for the poor innocent cancer in that cesspool.

Sorry, cancer is like mosquitos. We can do without either of them.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:11:16am

This is a bit over the top but fuckit

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:11:41am

re: #219 Joe Bacon 🌹

Pulpit Pimp 0 Rama is what mainstream Xtianity is today.

They package and sell Xtianity like McMansions.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:12:14am

re: #222 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

This is a bit over the top but fuckit

Still not Trump level.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:13:57am

Yesterday I watched Jojo Rabbit. I thought it was going to be a fun spoof of the nazis, Mel Brooks style. My review behind the spoilers.

Remember that little German kid from the Disney propaganda film “Education For Death”? That’s Jojo Rabbit. The film follows him from his fun-filled time at Hitler Youth Camp (where he refuses to kill the helpless little bunny rabbit & earns his nickname) until the end of the war. Jojo has an imaginary friend who is Hitler, played by Taika Waititi, the writer and director of this film who is a Maori Jew. His performance as Imaginary BFF Hitler is manic and adorable, but doesn’t match up to Dick Shawn’s Hitler in the original “The Producers.”
The film turns dark very quickly when Jojo discovers a Jewish girl that his mother (Scarlett Johansson) has been hiding in their house. It then follows down a predictable path as they become friends and Jojo learns that Jews aren’t monsters.
I was disappointed in this film since I couldn’t figure out what was the purpose of the story. I give it 3 stars.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:16:58am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:18:04am

re: #226 The Pie Overlord!

If they had any self-awareness, they’d realize that Trump will turn on them in a split-second if they get between him and power.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:19:06am

Apparently, the *potus* is loudly and disgracefully embarrassing himself, his supporters, and all us, by raging at his many enemies at the, ahem, National Prayer Breakfast.

What a disgrace.

**OK, OK, he isn’t really embarrassing himself or his supporters because they cannot be embarrassed.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:20:10am

re: #210 Barefoot Grin

Pretty much says it all (“Arthur, I don’t know if I agree with you”; goes on to attack his enemies):

I, I don’t think the *potus* understand the religion and Christianity thing too well.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:22:28am

re: #229 Sir John Barron

I, I don’t think the *potus* understand the religion and Christianity thing too well.

And obviously neither do the so-called Christians at the National Prayer Breakfast.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:24:52am

re: #227 Belafon

If they had any self-awareness, they’d realize that Trump will turn on them in a split-second if they get between him and power.

They know that Trump is willing to let them ban abortion, stifle LGBT rights and promote Christian schools and educational agenda over public schools and science. That is good enough for them.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:30:03am

Yep he sure learned his lesson. Any functioning President would just move on but not Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:31:36am

re: #229 Sir John Barron

I, I don’t think the *potus* understand the religion and Christianity thing too well.

I think that’s what upsets me the most about how so many Christians have thrown their lot in with him. I mean if they have non-religious reasons for doing so, fine but don’t insult us and tell us that Donald Trump is doing God’s work and doing a lot for Christians especially when nominally Christian children from Latin America are the ones who have suffered the most because of his restrictive immigration policies.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:35:13am

re: #193 Barefoot Grin

“Bow your heads everybody, I’m about to make a perfect call to God.”

He reached the wrong number. THE wrong number.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:36:22am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:40:24am

re: #182 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I can only hope that the DNC wises up and both gets rid of caucuses and non-Democrats running in the Democratic primaries. Sanders has been a negative for the party twice now, and given what is needed to fight the GOP I doubt they can continue to just let this stuff slide. It might lose votes to fringe 3rd party candidates, but they also don’t need to give the resources and exposure to the fringe either since it appears to have the same extortion effect; e.g. “Our candidate or we stay home!”.

I’m in-and-out only for this comment.

This is something a lot of people who are not directly involved in law or politics do not understand.

States set the rules for elections, including primaries and caucuses. States have to pay for primaries, and parties have to pay for caucuses. Thus any state which is cheap (that is, run by Republicans) tends to hold caucuses so they don’t have to pay for them.

Iowa statues specifically call for caucuses. To get rid of the Iowa Caucus, you first have to flip the state legislature to Democratic control, or something has to cause the GOP to start wanting to pay for caucuses.

Here in Nebraska, that something was a whole bunch of contested GOP seats. The GOP didn’t want to run and pay for caucuses, and they control the Unicameral, so they passed a law changing our caucuses to a primary for this and future elections.

In theory, the Democratic Party could choose to hold a primary in Iowa if they paid for that itself, but it would be hideously expensive for the party.

PARTISAN NOMINATIONS—PRIMARY ELECTION, §43.4 (Iowa statutes requiring caucuses not later than the fourth Monday in February)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:42:13am

re: #235 The Pie Overlord!

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He’s going to step on his dick and his enablers are going to tell us that he was sincerely conrite when he’ll be anything but.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:43:47am

re: #237 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s going to step on his dick and his enablers are going to tell us that he was sincerely conrite when he’ll be anything but.

And the Press Corpse will continue to kiss his ass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:44:00am

re: #236 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m in-and-out only for this comment.

This is something a lot of people who are not directly involved in law or politics do not understand.

States set the rules for elections, including primaries and caucuses. States have to pay for primaries, and parties have to pay for caucuses. Thus any state which is cheap (that is, run by Republicans) tends to hold caucuses so they don’t have to pay for them.

and as far as I understand, the nomination process is up to the individual party: procedural rules at the Convention, etc. And those parties are not public bodies but rather private organizations.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:44:15am

re: #237 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s going to step on his dick and his enablers are going to tell us that he was sincerely conrite when he’ll be anything but.

i’ll be busy doing…anything else
i intend to assist in bringing the ratings down as i did with the sotu

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:45:28am

re: #240 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

i’ll be busy doing…anything else
i intend to assist in bringing the ratings down as i did with the sotu

Yeah I’m going out to lunch and then seeing a movie. Not going to let Mr. Yuge Ratings get a win.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:47:19am

re: #232 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep he sure learned his lesson. Any functioning President would just move on but not Trump.

they hurt the potus’ feefees.

but only libs and dems are snowflakes who can’t take ‘sharp elbows’ and regular politics.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:48:48am

re: #204 Joe Bacon 🌹

Coach Dave goes after J-Lo and Shakira.

X from Utah Outcasts gives Coach Dave (whose son was caught with NAUGHTY STUFF on the family computer) the ridiculing he deserves!

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Video

LOL Coach (not a coach) Dave suing the NFL.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:51:24am

re: #242 Sir John Barron

they hurt the potus’ feefees.

but only libs and dems are snowflakes who can’t take ‘sharp elbows’ and regular politics.

I love how Don Jr couldn’t help himself and immediately went after Romney. Same thing with Ronna. And I saw Steve King got into the act too. I don’t like Mitt at all but man he threw a gigantic wrench into their plans to spin this and make no mistake Senators Manchin, Jones, and Sinema did the same thing too by voting to convict on both counts. I’m proud of each of them especially Jones who could have taken the easy way out since he’s up for re-election this fall.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:52:05am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:55:28am

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

Some good news to cheer everyone up.

pinknews.co.uk

Billy Graham once had a private audience with Queen Elizabeth II. Franky here has been reduced to a milk crate on a street corner.

Isn’t that what Speaker’s Corner is for? Enjoy London Frankie.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:55:30am

re: #245 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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You know, the idiots keep on repeating the worst candidate of all time stuff. What does it say about both Bernie and Trump that they lost the popular vote to her? And that’s with both of them being able to present themselves as an empty slate with little vetting of their records by the media. 70,000 votes go differently and she’s President and Trump is on FNC everyday as the President in exile and we’re wondering whether Rubio or Cruz or some other jackass will be the GOP nominee. I say this as a white guy but we need to stop acting like what we think is everyone’s truth.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:57:18am

Has everyone seen the WH spokesperson’s quote about *potus* ‘making people pay’ for impeaching him? Don’t have the exact quote here.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:59:24am

re: #211 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s time to elect a President who won’t waste any time at Pulpit Pimp-0-Rama.

Seconded.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:03:06am

re: #248 Sir John Barron

Has everyone seen the WH spokesperson’s quote about *potus* ‘making people pay’ for impeaching him? Don’t have the exact quote here.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:05:30am

re: #250 The Pie Overlord!

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Just casually threatening people for impeaching him, “pay for that,” They threaten so casually.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:09:30am

Just like Jesus would have said.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:09:52am

re: #233 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think that’s what upsets me the most about how so many Christians have thrown their lot in with him. I mean if they have non-religious reasons for doing so, fine but don’t insult us and tell us that Donald Trump is doing God’s work and doing a lot for Christians especially when nominally Christian children from Latin America are the ones who have suffered the most because of his restrictive immigration policies.

I’m not disgusted by it; I expected it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:11:03am

Okay, the Trumpers and Berners have convinced me, since they are both so dedicated and authoritative and all. I will not be voting for any of the following for President this year:

Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
Jussie Smollett
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Jennifer Lopez
George Soros

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:12:17am

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Okay, the Trumpers and Berners have convinced me, since they are both so dedicated and authoritative and all. I will not be voting for any of the following for President this year:

Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
Jussie Smollett
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Jennifer Lopez
George Soros

Damn, that was my list of write-in candidates

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:12:34am

re: #232 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep he sure learned his lesson. Any functioning President would just move on but not Trump.

a functioning president wouldnt be in this situation

- clinton’s situation was not this situation
- whatever r’s do to impeach a future d president also will not be this situation

this situation is - he did it, everyone knows he did it. a lot of his party admits he did it, while his party will not vote to convict him (except 1/2 of one senator)

they are all more terrified of trump than they are of their oath before god

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:12:41am

re: #250 The Pie Overlord!

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This is exactly what Susan Collins was warning us ab….

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:12:44am

re: #252 The Pie Overlord!

Just like Jesus would have said.

“And by ‘our nation’, I mean, ME, Your Favorite President Of All Time.”

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:13:41am

re: #245 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And people like me didn’t vote for her in key states because she would honestly not be different from Trump so it didn’t matter

crackpot
and
asshat

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:13:52am

re: #256 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

a functioning president wouldnt be in this situation

- clinton’s situation was not this situation
- whatever r’s do to impeach a future d president also will not be this situation

this situation is - he did it, everyone knows he did it. a lot of his party admits he did it, while his party will not vote to convict him (except 1/2 of one senator)

they are all more terrified of trump than they are of their oath before god

That’s certainly true.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:14:13am

re: #250 The Pie Overlord!

He’s glad it’s over

But, but, I thought that he ‘wanted’ to be impeached.
//

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:14:46am

re: #250 The Pie Overlord!

Remember all the faux outrage from Republicans over the “heads on pikes” comment from Adam Schiff?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:14:49am

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Okay, the Trumpers and Berners have convinced me, since they are both so dedicated and authoritative and all. I will not be voting for any of the following for President this year:

Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
Jussie Smollett
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Jennifer Lopez
George Soros

No JLo? Say it ain’t so.

/

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:14:57am

I wish I could dox 4chan, thread 452/?:

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:15:10am

re: #262 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Remember all the faux outrage from Republicans over the “heads on pikes” comment from Adam Schiff?

The truth hurts.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:15:18am

re: #262 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Remember all the faux outrage from Republicans over the “heads on pikes” comment from Adam Schiff?

SEE WHAT YOU MADE HIM DO!!!!

/

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:15:52am

re: #264 Sherlock Hound

I wish I could dox 4chan, thread 452/?:

But let’s talk about Nancy tearing up the speech.

/

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:16:25am

re: #264 Sherlock Hound

I wish I could dox 4chan, thread 452/?:

I wish the FBI would shut down 4chan.

Interfering with an election might be enough to do it.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:18:03am

re: #262 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Remember all the faux outrage from Republicans over adam schiff repeating the “heads on pikes” comment from Adam Schiff a trump confidant as reported by CBS news?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:19:41am

re: #264 Sherlock Hound

I wish I could dox 4chan, thread 452/?:

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Trollcracy, that’s what we’re entering. Fuck, sometimes I wish I could move near the ocean and just get away from this madness we call the modern world. I’m speaking frustrated here not serious because I fully intend to do what I can to get Trump out but damn if the sea doesn’t call my name sometimes.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:21:00am

re: #235 The Pie Overlord!

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I predict this speech is the start of the Final Phase of Impeached President and Head of the Trump Crime Family, Donald Trump, into his Krazytown fantasy realization of his idea of America.

He will start issuing Executive Orders essentially making it illegal to investigate or prosecute anyone not approved by himself personally. And furthermore, orders creating a private goon squad loyal only to him replacing Secret Service members. He will also issue an EO stating that it is now Trump’s right to sue any media organization or any person for any reason he sees fit. Our Constitution is dead. It died in January 2017.

A compliant Republican Senate will block any moves by The House to reign in the madness. If you think it will not get this Krazy, you are living in a pollyannish dream of yesterday’s norms. The ideals of the 20th Century State are dead. The Constitution is dead. This is the Age of Narcissism and A Mafia Don with bad hair and orange crepe skin is the Emperor. The only way out is a convincing defeat in November that even cries of “fraud” from Trump and his minions cannot overcome.

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Teukka  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:21:10am

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I wish the FBI would shut down 4chan.

Interfering with an election might be enough to do it.

Over/under on it being something totally stupid that does the chan(s)-which-must-not-be-named in in a spectacular and freak accident manner?
Not ///

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:21:43am

re: #269 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Yep- Rep Schiff didn’t say the heads on pike comment, he repeated it from a story and you know what? Nothing has proven what he repeated wrong. It wasn’t even a hour after Romney voted to remove on article 1 that Trump Jr who everyone knows wants to take his father’s place on the golden toilet seat called for Mitt’s removal and then there was that bizarre ad that Frank linked to last night. They’re open about it. Cross Trump and you will become a non-person to the Trump WH. Mitt won’t be at the RNC this summer I’m sure.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:24:54am

re: #270 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trollcracy, that’s what we’re entering. Fuck, sometimes I wish I could move near the ocean and just get away from this madness we call the modern world. I’m speaking frustrated here not serious because I fully intend to do what I can to get Trump out but damn if the sea doesn’t call my name sometimes.

How about here in the Nebraska Sandhills? Not much modern world around here.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:25:07am

re: #270 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

apropos of what i said yesterday

the goal is to change direction.
a government is like an oil tanker, it’ll be slow and take time

the current circumstances force us to focus our mission into taking control of the helm / steering wheel (president) and the engine room (congress).

Edward Luce: “Of course, a week is a long time in politics. Things would look different if the Democrats united behind a good nominee and voters felt the slowdown in U.S. growth. Against that, however, are the stubborn facts. Three years after taking office, Mr Trump is the least unpopular he has ever been. Moreover, he can do almost what he wants before November without fear of restraint. Impeachment was hardly a blip. Inviting foreign interference cost him nothing. The vote-counting fiasco in Iowa shows how easy it would be to contaminate public trust in the election process.”

U.S. democracy is sleepwalking into great danger. Yet somehow it feels as though everything is normal.”

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:27:09am

re: #270 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trollcracy, that’s what we’re entering. Fuck, sometimes I wish I could move near the ocean and just get away from this madness we call the modern world. I’m speaking frustrated here not serious because I fully intend to do what I can to get Trump out but damn if the sea doesn’t call my name sometimes.

I’m 1000 yards from the sea. It doesn’t help.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:27:40am

re: #273 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep- Rep Schiff didn’t say the heads on pike comment, he repeated it from a story and you know what? Nothing has proven what he repeated wrong. It wasn’t even a hour after Romney voted to remove on article 1 that Trump Jr who everyone knows wants to take his father’s place on the golden toilet seat called for Mitt’s removal and then there was that bizarre ad that Frank linked to last night. They’re open about it. Cross Trump and you will become a non-person to the Trump WH. Mitt won’t be at the RNC this summer I’m sure.

I assume the response from Team Orange will be:

“So what he deserves to be angry and people should pay!”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:27:40am

re: #272 Teukka

Over/under on it being something totally stupid that does the chan(s)-which-must-not-be-named in in a spectacular and freak accident manner?
Not ///

I have a suspicion the FBI and NSA keep a close watch on that Website, since so much illegal crap comes out of it.

I imagine it could simply “disappear.”

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:27:41am

I don’t know if this has been discussed, but it seems ripe for yet another lawsuit.
Acting DHS Secretary bans NY from various global travel programs.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:27:46am

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹🎃

How about here in the Nebraska Sandhills? Not much modern world around here.

Can’t bouysurf in sandhills.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:28:40am

re: #276 Sherlock Hound

I’m 1000 yards from the sea. It doesn’t help.

Maybe you need to be ON the sea; say one of the floating glibertarian paradises?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:29:01am

Here is an analysis that explains that swing voters are mostly a myth, andTrump has little chance of being reelected, regardless of the nominee. Even if Sanders does win the nomination.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:29:25am

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹🎃

How about here in the Nebraska Sandhills? Not much modern world around here.

i often think of you in Nebraska as the apocryphal Odysseus taking an oar from his ship and walking inland until he finds a “land that knows nothing of the sea”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:30:12am

re: #279 calochortus

I don’t know if this has been discussed, but it seems ripe for yet another lawsuit.
Acting DHS Secretary bans NY from various global travel programs.

Pretty sure an acting whatever can’t change policy at that level. Not that we care about laws and shit like that anymore.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:30:23am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

But let’s talk about Nancy tearing up the speech.

/

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:30:25am

re: #279 calochortus

I don’t know if this has been discussed, but it seems ripe for yet another lawsuit.
Acting DHS Secretary bans NY from various global travel programs.

First posted at #58. We see a lot of rich New Yorkers going after Republicans on this. And yeah, I see a lawsuit as well.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:30:35am

re: #279 calochortus

I don’t know if this has been discussed, but it seems ripe for yet another lawsuit.
Acting DHS Secretary bans NY from various global travel programs.

I guess close to 100% chance of a lawsuit.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:31:02am

I’m glad Romney stood for something at the eleventh hour, but that fell into “because God talks to me” territory pretty quick, and he’s been more or less complicit in everything leading up to his one mighty vote. Nobody has thrown an anchor around the Fuhrer’s ankles from the GOP until Romney’s one futile gesture, and AFAIK Romney seems to have been getting sleep at night through the rest of the horseshit.

Creepy Rush has a medal, Trump remains off his chain, and the Dems running for POTUS still sound like loons or idealistic social workers. Not a good time in history.

But, on a good note, gagworthy nude pictures of Harvey Weinstein apparently were shown in court and matched the description several of his victims offered, much to his humiliation. I can only hope a similar fate awaits our creepy vain POTUS, who resembles Weinstein more than physically. Sure, it might be like busting Al Capone for income tax evasion, but I’ll take it where I can get it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:31:40am

I see Gloatapalooza 2020 is full swing.

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:31:51am

re: #284 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Pretty sure an acting whatever can’t change policy at that level. Not that we care about laws and shit like that anymore.

Laws? What are these things you call “laws?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:32:37am

Fred Guttenberg has apologized for his outburst during SOTU.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:32:38am

“That wasn’t a state of the Union. That was a state of mind”
LOLOLOL!!

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:34:28am

re: #288 PrairieQueen

Will Harvey’s pics end up on ratemenude.com?
////

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:34:56am

re: #283 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

i often think of you in Nebraska as the apocryphal Odysseus taking an oar from his ship and walking inland until he finds a “land that knows nothing of the sea”

Ha I guess I’m the total opposite. I need the ocean. There’s something relaxing about catching waves in the morning, getting some seafood to eat, and then watching the weaves at night. That’s paradise to me. Doesn’t matter if it’s in a more mild climate like the part of Ireland where I studied or something more exotic like Hawaii.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:34:57am

Holy shit. Nancy just now: he shredded the Constitution; I shredded his ‘state of the mind’ address.

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unproven innocence  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:35:10am

Several months ago, when I was visiting my daughter, I had a brief conversation with a young man from El Salvador. I was a bit shocked when he said he didn’t like Mexicans, paraphrasing, “They are the worst”. I think I understand more now what he meant.

Is the US deporting Salvadorans to their deaths? | The Stream

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:35:40am

re: #293 Sherlock Hound

Will Harvey’s pics end up on ratemenude.com?
////

Sweet baby Jesus please no.

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Teukka  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:35:44am

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I have a suspicion the FBI and NSA keep a close watch on that Website, since so much illegal crap comes out of it.

I imagine it could simply “disappear.”

That. Or become entangled in a popcorn-worthy scandal…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:36:04am

I just can’t even with some of these media outlets anymore.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:37:53am

re: #299 Eclectic Cyborg

I just can’t even with some of these media outlets anymore.

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They really fucking suck sometimes don’t they.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:37:53am

re: #294 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ha I guess I’m the total opposite. I need the ocean. There’s something relaxing about catching waves in the morning, getting some seafood to eat, and then watching the weaves at night. That’s paradise to me. Doesn’t matter if it’s in a more mild climate like the part of Ireland where I studied or something more exotic like Hawaii.

ditto
i need to be near where the diving is

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:38:13am

re: #296 unproven innocence

Several months ago, when I was visiting my daughter, I had a brief conversation with a young man from El Salvador. I was a bit shocked when he said he didn’t like Mexicans, paraphrasing, “They are the worst”. I think I understand more now what he meant.

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Not that unusual, and not just recent. Years ago a Guatemalan acquaintance commented that she wasn’t happy that her kids were picking up Mexican Spanish at school. I imagine it’s just a case of “we’re better than our neighbors” which is pretty common everywhere.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:39:19am

re: #279 calochortus

I don’t know if this has been discussed, but it seems ripe for yet another lawsuit.
Acting DHS Secretary bans NY from various global travel programs.

Expect NY to sue. Trump’s a vindictive fucker who is screwing with NYers who conduct business in Canada and foreign countries. The DHS claims that they can’t get good data from NY DMV because they aren’t sharing info and because NY now issues licenses to undocumented persons so that they can drive.

It’s another attempt of Trump to break those who stand against him.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:39:51am

Ve Vill make them Pay!!!! All ob Dem!!!!!

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:40:32am

re: #299 Eclectic Cyborg

I just can’t even with some of these media outlets anymore.

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That’s why I don’t with most of them. I wouldn’t trust the Examener to get my birthday right, and the rest are opinions.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:40:37am

re: #299 Eclectic Cyborg

Aggregators push this - when it’s op eds that are by pundits who get to spew their nonsense no matter how often they’re wrong.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:40:50am

re: #301 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

ditto
i need to be near where the diving is

I haven’t been SCUBA diving ever but I had a blast snorkeling when I was a kid- My aunt and uncle lived in the Keys and hosted us. Plus there was some neat history on Dry Tortugas. I was way too young for Sloppy Joe’s though nor had I read any Hemingway at the time but yeah I need it too. It’s just a part of who I am.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:41:25am

Trump to Utah: FUCK YOU!

washingtonpost.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:42:39am

re: #308 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump to Utah: FUCK YOU!

washingtonpost.com

That could impact Arizona too. Being a spiteful shit will catch up to him eventually and Mexico he will pay for it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:43:10am

The Atlantic goes into the apathy of Faceborg coupled with the cravenness of Cambridge Analytica, Robert Mercer, and Brad Parscale to rodent-copulate the last election, and the ramp-up to do even more on this one.

Glad I don’t have cell service.

The article is kind of a long read, but here’s a pull from down the page:

Beyond Facebook, the [Trump] campaign is also investing in a texting platform that could allow it to send anonymous messages directly to millions of voters’ phones without their permission. Until recently, people had to opt in before a campaign could include them in a mass text. But with new “peer to peer” texting apps—including one developed by Gary Coby, a senior Trump adviser—a single volunteer can send hundreds of messages an hour, skirting federal regulations by clicking “Send” one message at a time. Notably, these messages aren’t required to disclose who’s behind them, thanks to a 2002 ruling by the Federal Election Commission that cited the limited number of characters available in a text.

The Billion-Dollar Disinformation Campaign to Reelect the President

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:44:51am

re: #308 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump to Utah: FUCK YOU!

washingtonpost.com

That’s what all those libertarians like Cliven Bundy wanted: Getting rid of federal control of lands so they giant corporations could control them.

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ericblair  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:45:11am

re: #282 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Here is an analysis that explains that swing voters are mostly a myth, andTrump has little chance of being reelected, regardless of the nominee. Even if Sanders does win the nomination.

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She basically says that there aren’t swing voters in any quantity; there are Dem voters and gooper voters, whose respective turnouts are based on backlash against the other side. You then work the numbers from there. I thought this was obvious by now, but apparently not.

They don’t go into it, but I believe a lot of the resistance from other professionals is like the joke about the drunk looking for his keys under the streetlamp instead of where he lost them: because the light’s better there. It’s much easier to poll and focus test a population if you think there’s a set of reliable voters who change their minds instead of two fixed teams with variable turnout. Once you go down the latter route it gets really messy to measure really quickly.

Also, from anecdotal experience, anybody who’s an actual swing voter these days is either an attention-seeker or a fucking flake. They will make decisions for random and transient reasons, and putting any significant work into changing their minds to be a waste of effort. Get the people that already sympathize with your side motivated and to the polls and demoralize the others.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:45:54am

re: #293 Sherlock Hound

I think it’s cruel to bag on someone’s appearance, especially naked, but I’ll make an exception for a serial rapist. If he’s anything like his photos he’s Frankendick covered with hair, moles, layers of yellow fat, and has a face for radio. Just saying.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:46:03am

Iowa is coming down to the wire as Sanders cannily targeted the satellite caucuses and has been cleaning up in them, so he might end up winning both the initial and second vote and delegate count. As the likely winner in NH, Sanders is pretty clearly the front-runner at this point.
fivethirtyeight.com

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:47:06am

re: #295 Barefoot Grin

Holy shit. Nancy just now: he shredded the Constitution; I shredded his ‘state of the mind’ address.

‘state of the mind’?

haha

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Mike Lamb  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:47:32am

re: #277 Sir John Barron

I assume the response from Team Orange will be:

“So what he deserves to be angry and people should pay!”

“He’s a counterpuncher. He’s just fighting back.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:47:56am

Thirteen minutes to Trumps insane speech. Or probably more like 30 given that he’s always fucking late to these things.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:48:08am

re: #315 Sir John Barron

‘state of the mind’?

haha

She’s just out of fucks to give at this point. And I don’t blame her.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:48:30am

re: #314 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Iowa is coming down to the wire as Sanders cannily targeted the satellite caucuses and has been cleaning up in them, so he might end up winning both the initial and second vote and delegate count. As the likely winner in NH, Sanders is pretty clearly the front-runner at this point.
fivethirtyeight.com

And we’ll give him that, and point out that Iowa has about a 50-50 record on predicting the nominee.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:48:33am

re: #283 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

i often think of you in Nebraska as the apocryphal Odysseus taking an oar from his ship and walking inland until he finds a “land that knows nothing of the sea”

Pretty much. We’re about as far away from any large body of water as you can get out here.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:49:12am

re: #314 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Nope. Winning two states with fewer delegates at stake than NJ combined and which doesn’t represent the nation’s demographics or the Democrats’ demographics isn’t going to hold up once we get to Super Tuesday.

Just watch.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:49:12am

re: #312 ericblair

She basically says that there aren’t swing voters in any quantity; there are Dem voters and gooper voters, whose respective turnouts are based on backlash against the other side. You then work the numbers from there. I thought this was obvious by now, but apparently not.

They don’t go into it, but I believe a lot of the resistance from other professionals is like the joke about the drunk looking for his keys under the streetlamp instead of where he lost them: because the light’s better there. It’s much easier to poll and focus test a population if you think there’s a set of reliable voters who change their minds instead of two fixed teams with variable turnout. Once you go down the latter route it gets really messy to measure really quickly.

Also, from anecdotal experience, anybody who’s an actual swing voter these days is either an attention-seeker or a fucking flake. They will make decisions for random and transient reasons, and putting any significant work into changing their minds to be a waste of effort. Get the people that already sympathize with your side motivated and to the polls and demoralize the others.

Bitcofer says that true swing voters basically just vote against the status quo, which works for the Democrats this year.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:50:23am

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I have a suspicion the FBI and NSA keep a close watch on that Website, since so much illegal crap comes out of it.

I imagine it could simply “disappear.”

Alternatively, I wouldn’t be surprised the reason it hasn’t disappeared already is because the FBI, the NSA, etc., use it as a honeytrap. It’s a great way to infiltrate online radical groups.

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BeachDem  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:50:43am

re: #276 Sherlock Hound

I’m 1000 yards from the sea. It doesn’t help.

Ditto.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:51:12am

re: #321 lawhawk

Nope. Winning two states with fewer delegates at stake than NJ combined and which doesn’t represent the nation’s demographics or the Democrats’ demographics isn’t going to hold up once we get to Super Tuesday.

Just watch.

I’ll check, but I think Sanders has been leading in California, the biggest delegate haul on Super Tuesday.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:52:46am

re: #303 lawhawk

Expect NY to sue. Trump’s a vindictive fucker who is screwing with NYers who conduct business in Canada and foreign countries. The DHS claims that they can’t get good data from NY DMV because they aren’t sharing info and because NY now issues licenses to undocumented persons so that they can drive.

It’s another attempt of Trump to break those who stand against him.

I imagine other states would sue as well, such as Michigan and Washington. It’s possible Texas might sue as well.

I also imagine big money GOP donors on those states who rely on cross-border travel for their business will lean on Trump or the GOP as well. They don’t want to sit in Customs for an hour like the unwashed masses do.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:55:27am

re: #325 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’ll check, but I think Sanders has been leading in California, the biggest delegate haul on Super Tuesday.

I’m actually starting to think that Bernie’s path to the nomination is looking much stronger than I expected.

And for many of the same reasons that propelled Drump in 2016. Maybe I’ll try to flesh out my thinking on this later in more detail.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:56:04am

re: #326 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Right now, only NY is affected since they enacted a new sanctuary state law and reduced information sharing to ICE.

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Interesting Times  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:56:07am

In which a sitting US senator uses one of LGF’s most accurate terms for a certain phenomenon:

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:56:20am

re: #325 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’ll check, but I think Sanders has been leading in California, the biggest delegate haul on Super Tuesday.

Yeah, I just looked, and Bernie’s in the lead in California. Didn’t check Oregon and Washington, but I really wouldn’t be surprised if he’s leading there, too.

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unproven innocence  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:56:57am

re: #302 calochortus

Not that unusual, and not just recent. Years ago a Guatemalan acquaintance commented that she wasn’t happy that her kids were picking up Mexican Spanish at school. I imagine it’s just a case of “we’re better than our neighbors” which is pretty common everywhere.

I had 4 years of Spanish in HS, but I’m no longer fluent, due to disuse.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:58:10am

re: #325 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’ll check, but I think Sanders has been leading in California, the biggest delegate haul on Super Tuesday.

Depends on the poll you look at, but it appears Sanders is ahead in most, and Biden is ahead in some.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Skip Intro  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:58:26am

re: #330 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I just looked, and Bernie’s in the lead in California. Didn’t check Oregon and Washington, but I really wouldn’t be surprised if he’s leading there, too.

We are so screwed. I won’t be voting for him, of course, not that it will make any difference in a state this size.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:58:31am

So, this morning some twitter troll claimed that my twitter account was a burner account for Maddow.

I don’t know whether I should be happy or sad about that.

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:59:32am

re: #331 unproven innocence

I had 4 years of Spanish in HS, but I’m no longer fluent, due to disuse.

Can’t say I was ever fluent, but I’m sure there are regional dialects and you wouldn’t want your kids speaking the “wrong” one now, would you.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:59:56am

re: #328 lawhawk

Right now, only NY is affected since they enacted a new sanctuary state law and reduced information sharing to ICE.

Washington and California also have statewide sanctuary laws.

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:00:14am

re: #333 Skip Intro

We are so screwed. I won’t be voting for him, of course, not that it will make any difference in a state this size.

We’re going to split the non-Bernie vote. Sigh.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:01:48am

re: #337 calochortus

We’re going to split the non-Bernie vote. Sigh.

Are you voting against Bernie, or voting for someone else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:02:11am

re: #292 Dave In Austin

“That wasn’t a state of the Union. That was a state of mind”
LOLOLOL!!

yes, deranged

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:02:39am

re: #333 Skip Intro

We are so screwed. I won’t be voting for him, of course, not that it will make any difference in a state this size.

Don’t forget though - most of us (myself included), thought there was absolutely no way in hell that Trump could win in 2016, yet here we are.

So I can’t discount Bernie not only becoming the Democratic nominee, but pulling off an upset victory and beating Trump in the November election. There’s a lot of outright fury against Trump out there, and if Bernie (or indeed, any Democratic POTUS nominee) can harness that wave of fury against Trump and the GOP, they can ride that all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:03:01am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:03:53am

re: #335 calochortus

Can’t say I was ever fluent, but I’m sure there are regional dialects and you wouldn’t want your kids speaking the “wrong” one now, would you.

When my wife and I first got married, we were talking with this fellow in Colorado who’s family is descendant from when Mexico ruled it; he spoke a dialect dissimilar to the one I learned in Andalucia (classical Spanish considered antiquated in the Americas, with some Arabic accenting due to the time Andalucia was ruled by the Moors). He had difficulty understanding me.

My wife and he did better; they laughed at something I didn’t understand. My wife said she’d have to translate it into Texan for me: He shore does talk funny.

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:04:08am

re: #338 Belafon

Are you voting against Bernie, or voting for someone else.

A little of both, but I was speaking more generally about the voters of CA. In my family for example, we have Warren supporters and Biden supporters. If we just had one reasonable candidate that person could easily beat Bernie, but there are 2 (or 3.)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:05:24am

re: #334 lawhawk

So, this morning some twitter troll claimed that my twitter account was a burner account for Maddow.

I don’t know whether I should be happy or sad about that.

Pleased to meet you, Dr. Rachel.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:05:52am

re: #340 Dr Lizardo

Don’t forget though - most of us (myself included), thought there was absolutely no way in hell that Trump could win in 2016, yet here we are.

So I can’t discount Bernie not only becoming the Democratic nominee, but pulling off an upset victory and beating Trump in the November election. There’s a lot of outright fury against Trump out there, and if Bernie (or indeed, any Democratic POTUS nominee) can harness that wave of fury against Trump and the GOP, they can ride that all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

And that is Bitcofer’s theory of negative partisanship. There isn’t a big bloc of moderate swing voters that Bernie will turn off; just Democratic voters energized to vote against Trump, regardless of the nominee.

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Skip Intro  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:06:09am

Trump’s whinefest hasn’t begun yet? Are they having trouble getting the cross erected?

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:06:18am

re: #334 lawhawk

So, this morning some twitter troll claimed that my twitter account was a burner account for Maddow.

I don’t know whether I should be happy or sad about that.

Count it as a win.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:06:26am

I will take Bloomberg over Bernie all day.

Bernie can’t beat Trump.

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ericblair  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:06:43am

re: #337 calochortus

We’re going to split the non-Bernie vote. Sigh.

If there is a Bernie and non-Bernie vote, then Bernie loses. The surviving non-Bernies will then pick up more of the delegates when the weaker non-Bernies drop out. Bernie has nowhere near a majority of the votes in the polls, at best a narrow plurality, and Democratic primaries are not winner-take-all.

It will be clearer whether there are real Bernie and non-Bernie blocks from analyzing the Iowa results and seeing how second choices fall. I’m guessing these blocks do exist, since his campaign has spent its energy attacking and antagonizing non-Bernie voters and candidates instead of building bridges.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:07:07am

re: #348 Dave In Austin

I will take Bloomberg over Bernie all day.

Bernie can’t beat Trump.

He can; any of them can best Trump.

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sagehen  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:08:16am

re: #345 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And that is Bitcofer’s theory of negative partisanship. There isn’t a big bloc of moderate swing voters that Bernie will turn off; just Democratic voters energized to vote against Trump, regardless of the nominee.

politico.com
Once you know the shape of the electorate, she argues, you can pretty much tell how that electorate is going to vote. And the shape of the electorate in 2018, and 2020, for that matter, was determined on the night of November 8, 2016. The new electorate, as she forecasts it, is made up mostly of people who want a president named anything but Donald Trump, competing with another group that fears ruin should anyone but Donald Trump be president.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:08:38am

re: #349 ericblair

If there is a Bernie and non-Bernie vote, then Bernie loses. The surviving non-Bernies will then pick up more of the delegates when the weaker non-Bernies drop out. Bernie has nowhere near a majority of the votes in the polls, at best a narrow plurality, and Democratic primaries are not winner-take-all.

It will be clearer whether there are real Bernie and non-Bernie blocks from analyzing the Iowa results and seeing how second choices fall. I’m guessing these blocks do exist, since his campaign has spent its energy attacking and antagonizing non-Bernie voters and candidates instead of building bridges.

That is mostly twitter fights which the vast majority of Democratic voters are blissfully unaware of.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:08:58am

re: #348 Dave In Austin

I will take Bloomberg over Bernie all day.

Bernie can’t beat Trump.

I won’t say that. I said there’s no way, absolutely no chance in hell, zip, zero, none, nada - that Trump could beat Hillary in 2016.

How wrong I was.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:08:58am

re: #345 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And that is Bitcofer’s theory of negative partisanship. There isn’t a big bloc of moderate swing voters that Bernie will turn off; just Democratic voters energized to vote against Trump, regardless of the nominee.

The real question is how much of Bernie’s primary margins are coming from folks voting for him in the primaries with full intention of voting for Trump in the general.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:10:11am

re: #350 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He can; any of them can best Trump.

I’ll respectfully disagree.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:10:30am

re: #346 Skip Intro

Trump’s whinefest hasn’t begun yet? Are they having trouble getting the cross erected?

They need a specially-reinforced one (he weighs a lot).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:10:35am

I honestly think I’ll fucking scream if we end up with Bernie vs. Trump.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:10:36am

Unless we conver the primary into a playoff system, we weren’t really going to have everyone’s second favorite choice. Oh well. I’m voting for my favorite and getting the Democrat elected in November.

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plansbandc  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:10:37am

re: #334 lawhawk

I would take that as a compliment.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:10:54am

re: #346 Skip Intro

Trump’s whinefest hasn’t begun yet? Are they having trouble getting the cross erected?

He’s asked for a field of pikes.

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BeachDem  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:11:44am

So…if the nightmare becomes reality and Bernie is the nominee (shudder), who do you think he’ll pick as VP? (please dog, NOT Nina Turner) As with all the candidates, especially the older ones, I think the VP pick will be very important—more than is usually the case.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:12:26am

re: #357 Eclectic Cyborg

I honestly think I’ll fucking scream if we end up with Bernie vs. Trump.

Heh, same here. But of course, in such a scenario, I’ll vote for Bernie. I don’t even need to think about it. I may not like it one iota, but better to smell a little Berniebro shit for a few years than be eating MAGA shit for the rest of our lives.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:12:26am

re: #348 Dave In Austin

I will take Bloomberg over Bernie all day.

Bernie can’t beat Trump.

I imagine by the time the Nebraska primary (yay we get a primary this time) rolls around on May 12, we will probably have a clear front-runner, perhaps one which has mathematically eliminated the other candidates.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:12:26am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:13:36am

re: #361 BeachDem

Tulsi?

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Skip Intro  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:13:55am

re: #361 BeachDem

So…if the nightmare becomes reality and Bernie is the nominee (shudder), who do you think he’ll pick as VP? (please dog, NOT Nina Turner) As with all the candidates, especially the older ones, I think the VP pick will be very important—more than is usually the case.

Who does he get along with, besides his wife?

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Skip Intro  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:14:16am

re: #365 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Tulsi?

Perfect.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:14:29am

re: #354 Citizen K

The real question is how much of Bernie’s primary margins are coming from folks voting for him in the primaries with full intention of voting for Trump in the general.

Doesn’t matter; democrats will vote for Sanders in November, and there are more of them than Republicans.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:14:43am

re: #351 sagehen

politico.com
Once you know the shape of the electorate, she argues, you can pretty much tell how that electorate is going to vote. And the shape of the electorate in 2018, and 2020, for that matter, was determined on the night of November 8, 2016. The new electorate, as she forecasts it, is made up mostly of people who want a president named anything but Donald Trump, competing with another group that fears ruin should anyone but Donald Trump be president.

Beware of confirmation bias. I’d be happier if she’d been right more than once, or more than 50% of the time.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:14:45am

re: #353 Dr Lizardo

I won’t say that. I said there’s no way, absolutely no chance in hell, zip, zero, none, nada - that Trump could beat Hillary in 2016.

How wrong I was.

My wife said “I told you so” when the election was called. (I never said Trump couldn’t win, just that he was down in polling but within the margin of error.)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:15:28am

re: #357 Eclectic Cyborg

I honestly think I’ll fucking scream if we end up with Bernie vs. Trump.

Even Bernie will be a big improvement over Trump.

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sagehen  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:15:45am

re: #362 Dr Lizardo

Heh, same here. But of course, in such a scenario, I’ll vote for Bernie. I don’t even need to think about it. I may not like it one iota, but better to smell a little Berniebro shit for a few years than be eating MAGA shit for the rest of our lives.

If Bernie were to be President, even with significant D majorities in both houses, his worst ideas still wouldn’t pass. Because D’s don’t have that lock-step party discipline the R’s are so thorough about.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:15:47am

Do you think Sanders would be stupid enough to run third party if he lost the primary again?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:16:25am

re: #371 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Even Bernie will be a big improvement over Trump.

Neither man is in my opinion physically capable enough to handle the job of being President.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:16:31am

re: #361 BeachDem

So…if the nightmare becomes reality and Bernie is the nominee (shudder), who do you think he’ll pick as VP? (please dog, NOT Nina Turner) As with all the candidates, especially the older ones, I think the VP pick will be very important—more than is usually the case.

Stacey Abrams would be a great pick.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:16:44am

re: #365 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Tulsi?

I despise Tulsi Gabbard. Fortunately she is polling somewhere around -3%.

That said, if she’s the nominee I would gladly vote for her. If it was Marianne Williamson I would gladly vote for her. Neither of them are budding fascists.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:17:27am

re: #375 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Stacey Abrams would be a great pick.

Yes! This.

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plansbandc  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:17:43am

re: #373 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes.

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BeachDem  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:17:53am

re: #365 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Tulsi?

The nightmare just keeps escalating.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:18:11am

re: #364 jaunte

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Ironically, it’s beginning to look like ratfucking Biden will be pointless, because I don’t think he is going to be the nominee.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:18:39am

re: #380 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Ironically, it’s beginning to look like ratfucking Biden will be pointless, because I don’t think he is going to be the nominee.

yeah, but it always good practice…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:19:06am

re: #380 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Ironically, it’s beginning to look like ratfucking Biden will be pointless, because I don’t think he is going to be the nominee.

Be nice if Warren found a way through.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:19:31am

re: #380 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Just like Trump to make a titanic mess from a miscalculated cheat.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:20:14am

re: #312 ericblair

She basically says that there aren’t swing voters in any quantity; there are Dem voters and gooper voters, whose respective turnouts are based on backlash against the other side. You then work the numbers from there. I thought this was obvious by now, but apparently not.

They don’t go into it, but I believe a lot of the resistance from other professionals is like the joke about the drunk looking for his keys under the streetlamp instead of where he lost them: because the light’s better there. It’s much easier to poll and focus test a population if you think there’s a set of reliable voters who change their minds instead of two fixed teams with variable turnout. Once you go down the latter route it gets really messy to measure really quickly.

Also, from anecdotal experience, anybody who’s an actual swing voter these days is either an attention-seeker or a fucking flake. They will make decisions for random and transient reasons, and putting any significant work into changing their minds to be a waste of effort. Get the people that already sympathize with your side motivated and to the polls and demoralize the others.

Not sure I totally Agree with that assessment. I know it’s anecdotal, but interviews with casual voters in swing states reveal but they really don’t pay attention to much of anything. These are likely voters, not confirmed, hair on fire partisans, but they still vote. Not in as great numbers as the partisans, true, but they do vote.

And in the last election were only a few thousand votes in a few states swung the entire election, these voters do make a difference.

However, I do agree that more than anything else, what swings the elections are the third-party candidates. Jill Stein has a lot to answer for.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:20:18am

re: #373 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you think Sanders would be stupid enough to run third party if he lost the primary again?

No, but the trolls and bots will be pushing for Stein. That threat, at least, is nullified if Bernie is the nominee.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:20:19am

re: #380 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Ironically, it’s beginning to look like ratfucking Biden will be pointless, because I don’t think he is going to be the nominee.

Joe Biden has strong support amongst African-Americans, one of the principal voting blocs of the party. Trump will not convince them to suddenly abandon Biden.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:21:20am

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

Be nice if Warren found a way through.

media will fight her tooth and nail

she is seen as

intellectual (BORING!)
a woman (not “likeable”)
and someone who stands up to established interests
(a Socialist)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:21:35am

Let the shitshow begin…

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:21:57am

re: #380 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Ironically, it’s beginning to look like ratfucking Biden will be pointless, because I don’t think he is going to be the nominee.

The situation is so fluid that I’m not counting anyone out.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:21:58am

re: #334 lawhawk

So, this morning some twitter troll claimed that my twitter account was a burner account for Maddow.

I don’t know whether I should be happy or sad about that.

Put that in parenthesis in your nym as a badge of honor.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:22:55am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:23:21am

re: #391 jaunte

and it was a crappy rendition too.

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:23:23am

Time for Trump’s victory lap. Which means it’s time for me to go do something constructive.
BBL

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:23:46am

re: #389 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

The situation is so fluid that I’m not counting anyone out.

Agreed, but Biden’s poor showing in Iowa definitely dampened his chances.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:23:56am

re: #390 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Put that in parenthesis in your nym as a badge of honor.

Or as your Twitter handle: Alt-Dr. Maddow.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:24:38am

He just said people would be in jail if they tried to wrongly Impeach Obama like they did him.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:24:56am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

media will fight her tooth and nail

she is seen as

intellectual (BORING!)
a woman (not “likeable”)
and someone who stands up to established interests
(a Socialist)

… and i in 2016, every media outlet in the US ( except about three) came out against DT.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:25:14am
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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:25:52am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:25:56am

He thinks his SOTU speech was singlehandedly responsible for boosting the stock market.

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sagehen  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:26:13am

re: #396 Eclectic Cyborg

He just said people would be in jail if they tried to wrongly Impeach Obama like they did him.

BENGHAZI!!

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BeachDem  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:26:27am

Matt Bai’s take on the VP issue from 1/24:

Who’s your vice president? Bernie Sanders, and others, should tell us now.

…But this applies mostly to Sanders, because he’s rolling right now, and because he has already been evasive about his health, and because he’s supposed to be Mr. Up Front and Authentic. It’s about us and not him, remember?

And so the next time Sanders steps onto a debate stage, on Feb. 7, someone should ask him this: “In light of your age and very recent heart attack, would you please name for us three potential vice presidents you will consider should you become the nominee?”

And if the answer is, “I haven’t thought about any of that yet,” then maybe Sanders isn’t thinking about us after all.

washingtonpost.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:27:04am

He just literally called it a victory celebration.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:27:45am

Showing off his headlines again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:27:48am

re: #397 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

… and i in 2016, every media outlet in the US ( except about three) came out against DT.

while at the same time doing all they could to undermine Hillary.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:27:49am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:28:24am

re: #402 BeachDem

Matt Bai’s take on the VP issue from 1/24:

Who’s your vice president? Bernie Sanders, and others, should tell us now.

…But this applies mostly to Sanders, because he’s rolling right now, and because he has already been evasive about his health, and because he’s supposed to be Mr. Up Front and Authentic. It’s about us and not him, remember?

And so the next time Sanders steps onto a debate stage, on Feb. 7, someone should ask him this: “In light of your age and very recent heart attack, would you please name for us three potential vice presidents you will consider should you become the nominee?”

And if the answer is, “I haven’t thought about any of that yet,” then maybe Sanders isn’t thinking about us after all.

washingtonpost.com

Nobody talks about VP this early. I think in ‘16 Cruz made an early pick out of desperation; wasn’t it Fiorina?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:28:54am

He just used the word bullshit. IN his speech (in relation to the Russia accusations)

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:29:26am

Lol, Trump said bullshit live.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:29:35am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:30:03am

FROMA HARROP: Donors Are a Lousy Way to Gauge Political Support (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

Wholly crap, this is almost a liberal opinion column in my regional newspaper.

She refers to the idea that small-donor candidates like Sanders are not a particular gauge of support any more than Bloomberg (who is financing himself), and notes that now is not the time for Democratic candidates to unilaterally disarm in the face of Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:30:14am

Steele Dossier. FISA courts. Calls Democrats EVIL people. Now he’s ripping Mueller.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:31:23am

Going after Clinton. Drink!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:31:38am

Says Steele admitted Dossier was fake.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:31:42am

re: #412 Eclectic Cyborg

Steele Dossier. FISA courts. Calls Democrats EVIL people. Now he’s ripping Mueller.

If you try to kill the king, you best not miss.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:31:52am

re: #408 Eclectic Cyborg

He just used the word bullshit. IN his speech (in relation to the Russia accusations)

So presidential. Having a temper tantrum on national TV.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:32:14am

re: #408 Eclectic Cyborg

He just used the word bullshit. IN his speech (in relation to the Russia accusations)

At the National Prayer Breakfast.

Cue the cries of “civility” from Christians and Republicans (lololololol)

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:32:17am

“…Aló Presidente (English: Hello, Mr. President) was an unscripted propaganda talk show that was hosted by Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez. It was broadcast on Venezuelan state television, by Venezolana de Televisión, and radio stations every Sunday from 11:00 am.

The show has been criticized for being similar in style to, and having the appeal of, absurdist humor while actually being run by the leader of a populous country, as well as for being samey to itself and becoming tedious to watch after only a few hours.”en.wikipedia.org

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:32:18am

Sekulow and Cippolone just got a standing ovation.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:32:38am

re: #414 Eclectic Cyborg

Says Steele admitted Dossier was fake.

Thank dog that Collins hopes he learns a lesson from this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:33:14am

Accuses “corrupt” Adam schiff of making up Ukraine allegations. Says Schiff is a “failed screenwriter” because he’s not very good at even making stuff up.

States that he had “professional transcribers” to handle the Ukraine call.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:33:35am

re: #405 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

while at the same time doing all they could to undermine Hillary.

Just stop. How many US newspapers do you read?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:33:42am

Another one of his “Sir…” stories. Now’s he’s kissing Mcconnells ass.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:35:05am

Talking about how many judges he’s appointed again. Still kissing Mitchs ass.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:35:47am

Now he’s saying the Democratic Senators running for President shouldn’t be allowed to say bad stuff about him.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:36:06am

re: #424 Eclectic Cyborg

Talking about how many judges he’s appointed again. Still kissing Mitchs ass.

Thank you for watching so I don’t have to.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:37:15am

“I had Nancy sitting four seats away from me and said some things other people wouldn’t have said but I meant every word.”

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:37:55am

re: #422 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Just stop. How many US newspapers do you read?

Enough to remember how breathlessly and constantly Benghazi and “But Her Emails” were covered as if they were the biggest news ever while never examining any of Trump’s mounds of bullshit for more than a couple days at a time, at best? Yeah, the newspapers endorsed Hillary, but not that you could tell from the actual news coverage, especially with TV news preferring to carry Hillary speeches picture-in-picture while waiting raptly on an empty podium for the latest Trump presser.

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Skip Intro  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:38:13am

Susan Collins sure called it all right.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:38:33am

He says Chuck Grassley “made Comey choke”.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:38:37am

THIS FUCKING GUY.

I am so embarrassed to have this shitstain in my White House right now.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:38:44am

Following this on Daniel Dale’s Twitter is as close as I can get. And holy shit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:39:03am

He says Grassley should have “Got angry” at Comey.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:40:15am

re: #412 Eclectic Cyborg

Steele Dossier. FISA courts. Calls Democrats EVIL people. Now he’s ripping Mueller.

He’s just counterpunching cuz he’s a counter puncher shut up libtards

Also—

He’s the president so support him!

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:41:06am

I thought President Trump had something big to report other than spiking the football. I get tired of getting jerked off with my pants on.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:41:47am

re: #433 Eclectic Cyborg

He says Grassley should have “Got angry” at Comey.

Uh Oh, Grassley hasn’t been faithful and loyal enough.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:41:52am

Now he’s attacking Romney.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:42:29am

re: #437 Eclectic Cyborg

Now he’s attacking Romney.

the enemies list just keeps getting longer.

That prayer breakfast surely had a Christianizing affect on him. ///

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:42:33am

And they want to recanvass Iowa.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:43:03am

“Mike Lee is by far the most popular senator from Utah.”

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:43:15am

re: #435 Shropshire Slasher

I thought President Trump had something big to report other than spiking the football. I get tired of getting jerked off with my pants on.

oh he does have something yuuuge to report, something perfect to report, how bad other people have treated him.

/

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:43:40am

re: #436 Sir John Barron

Uh Oh, Grassley hasn’t been faithful and loyal enough.

Grassley is retiring at the end of his term anyway.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:43:59am

re: #422 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Just stop. How many US newspapers do you read?

I still recall all TV stations showing an empty podium waiting for Trump to come out and offer excuses for where his charitable money went (which were never challenged) while Hillary was giving a speech on job opportunities for the handicapped that almost nobody heard or saw.

But we knew all about her e-mails and any time her Foundation paid too much for stamps and any sort of leaks or infighting in her own campaign or party…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:44:23am

Now he’s talking about how they “won” 197-0.

Democrats have horrible policies. Open borders. Sanctuary Cities. Get rid of everybodys healthcare.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:44:59am

Democrats are “mean”. Schiff is a “vicious horrible person”. Pelosi is horrible person.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:45:26am

It’s like he’s trying to bust a blood vessel in his brain.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:45:34am

Claims Pelosi might have been praying him her but it was probably for harm to come to him.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:45:46am

re: #445 Eclectic Cyborg

Democrats are “mean”. Schiff is a “vicious horrible person”. Pelosi is horrible person.

sounds like he is describing himself and his family

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:45:52am

States GOP approval is higher in the country now than it was in 2004.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:45:59am

re: #440 Eclectic Cyborg

“Mike Lee is by far the most popular senator from Utah.”

Fact check using Morning Consult: True.

Mike Lee is about +12, MItt Romney is at +10 and has been sliding in approval ever since he was elected there.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:46:24am

re: #449 Eclectic Cyborg

States GOP approval is higher in the country now than it was in 2004.

all the good polls are good and all the bad polls are bad.

/

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:46:38am

“this has been very unfair to my family.”

“It was a good phone call. I don’t do bad calls.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:47:05am

re: #446 Belafon

It’s like he’s trying to bust a blood vessel in his brain.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:47:18am

re: #443 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still recall all TV stations showing an empty podium waiting for Trump to come out while Hillary was giving a speech on job opportunities for the handicapped that almost nobody heard or saw.

But we knew all about her e-mails and her Foundation and any sort of leaks or infighting in her own campaign or party…

I asked about newspapers. Newspapers are not TV.

455
lawhawk  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:47:19am

DNC calls for Iowa to conduct a recanvass.

Memo to DNC. End all use of caucuses. Period. Don’t use them. Eliminate all open primaries as well.

The only way you get to cast a ballot to determine who gets to represent the Democratic party are those who register as Democrats.

Open primaries are a recipe for ratfucking and foul play.

Institute ranked choice voting to give everyone preferences.

456
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:47:59am

“a son that had no money, got thrown out of the military gets hired for $3 million.”

Democrats think that’s okay.

He says “if this was okay, my kids could make a fortune” NO hint of sarcasm.

457
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:48:20am

re: #446 Belafon

It’s like he’s trying to bust a blood vessel in his brain.

If only.

458
Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:48:24am

re: #447 Eclectic Cyborg

Claims Pelosi might have been praying him her but it was probably for harm to come to him.

I seem to recall some very pious Christians (cough Erick son of ERick cough) telling us libtards very highmindedly that even if we don’t like the prez we should be praying for him as they prayed for Obama (although they never implored their folllowers to do so 2008-2016).

Now I guess our prayers are not wanted or deemed sufficiently praiseworthy.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:49:18am

re: #452 Eclectic Cyborg

“this has been very unfair to my family.”

“It was a good phone call. I don’t do bad calls.”

it was a perfect phone call, perfectly done.
/

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:49:33am

re: #455 lawhawk

DNC calls for Iowa to conduct a recanvass.

Memo to DNC. End all use of caucuses. Period. Don’t use them. Eliminate all open primaries as well.

The only way you get to cast a ballot to determine who gets to represent the Democratic party are those who register as Democrats.

Open primaries are a recipe for ratfucking and foul play.

Institute ranked choice voting to give everyone preferences.

Rachel, I’m more interested in what the IDP will respond with.

461
Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:49:37am

re: #455 lawhawk

DNC calls for Iowa to conduct a recanvass.

Memo to DNC. End all use of caucuses. Period. Don’t use them. Eliminate all open primaries as well.

The only way you get to cast a ballot to determine who gets to represent the Democratic party are those who register as Democrats.

Open primaries are a recipe for ratfucking and foul play.

Institute ranked choice voting to give everyone preferences.

But what about Iowa 2020?

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:49:57am

NO REALLY WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT AND WHY ARE WE TREATING IT AS NORMAL

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:50:08am

re: #350 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He can; any of them can best Trump.

But Trump will cheat.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:50:09am

“Impeachment is an ugly dark word to me”

“it was a perfect call”

“Now we have that gorgeous word: total acquittal” (yes, I know that’s 2 words but that’s what he said)

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:50:13am

re: #446 Belafon

It’s like he’s trying to bust a blood vessel in his brain.

Good.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:51:28am

re: #463 The Pie Overlord!

But Trump will cheat.

We have to turnout and vote in such numbers that he can’t cheat to victory.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:51:46am

re: #455 lawhawk

DNC calls for Iowa to conduct a recanvass.

Memo to DNC. End all use of caucuses. Period. Don’t use them. Eliminate all open primaries as well.

As I noted at #236, the Democratic Party has no control over that. State legislatures do. Iowa’s laws require caucuses.

The only way to get rid of a caucus is to either flip a state legislature to Democratic control, or for the GOP to see a need for primaries.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:52:45am

re: #466 NO SMOCKING GUN!

We have to turnout and vote in such numbers that he can’t cheat to victory.

The problem (and scary part) is that there are enough states that don’t have transparent electoral processes such that we might not even know whether he cheated.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:52:50am

trump says dems are “stone cold crazy” “would try to impeach him” for walking across the street.

Predicts Kevin Mccarthy will be the next Speaker of the House.

Calls his cabinet “Great warriors”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:54:05am

re: #469 Eclectic Cyborg

trump says dems are “stone cold crazy” “would try to impeach him” for walking across the street.

Predicts Kevin Mccarthy will be the next Speaker of the House.

Calls his cabinet “Great warriors”

Yet they did not even though they could have for obstructing Mueller. He is what he is. A huge baby who thinks he’s an absolute ruler.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:54:23am

“there is more spirit now for the Republican party than for the Democrats.”

now he’s dunking on Iowa dems who “can’t figure out how to count votes”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:54:27am

re: #458 Sir John Barron

I seem to recall some very pious Christians (cough Erick son of ERick cough) telling us libtards very highmindedly that even if we don’t like the prez we should be praying for him as they prayed for Obama (although they never implored their folllowers to do so 2008-2016).

Now I guess our prayers are not wanted or deemed sufficiently praiseworthy.

As I recall, lots of Christians invoked imprecatory prayer to wish ill or death on President Obama.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:54:30am

How long before Hewitt declares that this speech will be taught in text books as the example of how to respond to an impeachment?

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:54:54am

re: #455 lawhawk

DNC calls for Iowa to conduct a recanvass.

Memo to DNC. End all use of caucuses. Period. Don’t use them. Eliminate all open primaries as well.

The only way you get to cast a ballot to determine who gets to represent the Democratic party are those who register as Democrats.

Open primaries are a recipe for ratfucking and foul play.

Institute ranked choice voting to give everyone preferences.

I don’t know if it’s possible for the DNC to end caucuses, but surely they could keep reminding people that they’re the least representative way of choosing delegates. Agree about open primaries — I’ve been against them since they first appeared.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:55:28am

re: #454 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

I asked about newspapers. Newspapers are not TV.

I had started out with the media in general, and yes, print media were a lot more balanced about HRC than broadcast media.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:56:05am

re: #454 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

I asked about newspapers. Newspapers are not TV.

From the Columbia Journalism Review, regarding newspaper coverage leading into the 2016 election.

What did all these stories talk about? The research team investigated this question, counting sentences that appeared in mainstream media sources and classifying each as detailing one of several Clinton- or Trump-related issues. In particular, they classified each sentence as describing either a scandal (e.g., Clinton’s emails, Trump’s taxes) or a policy issue (Clinton and jobs, Trump and immigration). They found roughly four times as many Clinton-related sentences that described scandals as opposed to policies, whereas Trump-related sentences were one-and-a-half times as likely to be about policy as scandal. Given the sheer number of scandals in which Trump was implicated—sexual assault; the Trump Foundation; Trump University; redlining in his real-estate developments; insulting a Gold Star family; numerous instances of racist, misogynist, and otherwise offensive speech—it is striking that the media devoted more attention to his policies than to his personal failings. Even more striking, the various Clinton-related email scandals—her use of a private email server while secretary of state, as well as the DNC and John Podesta hacks—accounted for more sentences than all of Trump’s scandals combined (65,000 vs. 40,000) and more than twice as many as were devoted to all of her policy positions.

To reiterate, these 65,000 sentences were written not by Russian hackers, but overwhelmingly by professional journalists employed at mainstream news organizations, such as The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The Wall Street Journal. To the extent that voters mistrusted Hillary Clinton, or considered her conduct as secretary of state to have been negligent or even potentially criminal, or were generally unaware of what her policies contained or how they may have differed from Donald Trump’s, these numbers suggest their views were influenced more by mainstream news sources than by fake news.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:58:56am

re: #446 Belafon

It’s like he’s trying to bust a blood vessel in his brain.

Fingers crossed.

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danarchy  Feb 6, 2020 • 10:37:25am

re: #336 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Washington and California also have statewide sanctuary laws.

I think it was specifically the part of NYs law that cut off access to CBp ind ICE to NY state DMV records. Not sure the other states have done that.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 6, 2020 • 11:50:55am

re: #364 jaunte

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Hope the next president (Dem) gets all the tRump kids and tRump himself’s tax returns and nails their fucking asses to the wall.


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