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Sherlock Hound  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:28:07pm

CL’d

How can we miss Tulsi when she won’t go away?

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:34:39pm

Some wag called Trumps speech the Pettysburg address, lol

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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:36:22pm

mother fucker

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bratwurst  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:37:38pm

I guess Susan Collins are Lamar Alexander are feeling pretty smart tonight about their predictions of Trump being chastened, having learnt his lesson and all.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:37:58pm

<…

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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:38:38pm

oops

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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:38:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:39:00pm

Gaa, I got caught on the last thread again

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife can relate to the pain. She had the same problems at Digital Equipment in the Eighties and Nineties. Corporations don’t care about data security, because that costs money.

Lots of IT folks, security experts, and software engineers in this thread saying “the struggle is real.”

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:39:50pm

re: #4 bratwurst

I guess Susan Collins are Lamar Alexander are feeling pretty smart tonight about their predictions of Trump being chastened, having learnt his lesson and all.

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Now see, this is assuming they said that shit in good faith. You know, instead of the cynical two-faced talk they always do.

Sometimes, it really is malevolence rather than incompetence or naivete.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:42:20pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:42:31pm

re: #3 Dread Pirate

There better be a purge of all of Trump’s political appointees. Judges and all. Fuck the BS “lifetime” appointments. It’s time to push back against this shit.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:42:52pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:45:21pm

re: #8 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Gaa, I got caught on the last thread again

Yes.

We went through a fight to implement proper security on my current project. Thankfully, we won… sort of. Enough so that we are able to release it with a clear conscience. There are many who are not so lucky.

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Mattand  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:46:40pm

re: #1 Sherlock Hound

Christ, it is really hard to believe someone wrote that sober.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:48:17pm

re: #86 jaunte

All I know about Don Winslow is he writes novels. How would he have contacts inside the DOJ?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:48:37pm

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

That’s trending

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Mattand  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:49:49pm

re: #9 Citizen K

Now see, this is assuming they said that shit in good faith. You know, instead of the cynical two-faced talk they always do.

Sometimes, it really is malevolence rather than incompetence or naivete.

I could see Alexander being malevolent about saying that. I really am starting to believe Collins is either genuinely that fucking dumb; or more likely, trying to delude herself that if closes her eyes and wishes really hard, it’ll come true.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:51:27pm

re: #17 Mattand

I could see Alexander being malevolent about saying that. I really am starting to believe Collins is either genuinely that fucking dumb; or more likely, trying to delude herself that if closes her eyes and wishes really hard, it’ll come true.

She’s pulled the football enough times that I can’t see it as anything but purposeful bad faith dealing.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:52:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:53:07pm

re: #1 Sherlock Hound

CL’d

How can we miss Tulsi when she won’t go away?

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:54:17pm

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹🎃

He seems to have done a lot of research on the war on drugs for his writing; maybe he met a few people.

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gocart mozart  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:57:19pm

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:57:53pm

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

Some wag called Trumps speech the Pettysburg address, lol

And of course, I am not the first to point that one out here… GMTA Lefty

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:58:36pm

re: #14 Mattand

Christ, it is really hard to believe someone wrote that sober.

Michael Tracey is said to have a picture of Tulsi on his bedroom ceiling. It’s probably stained. /

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:58:51pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 6, 2020 • 7:59:04pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:01:42pm

re: #25 jaunte

“He’s a Republican, and Republicans = God, Guns, Abortion, so…”

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:02:56pm

re: #19 Dread Pirate

It’s turtles grifters all the way down.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:06:11pm

re: #1 Sherlock Hound

CL’d

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How can we miss Tulsi when she won’t go away?

Hoping TOOLSI pulls enough votes away from Bernie that he loses New Hampshire.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:06:55pm

re: #24 Sherlock Hound

Eww. Not a better novel than “Twilight.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:07:57pm

re: #4 bratwurst

I guess Susan Collins are Lamar Alexander are feeling pretty smart tonight about their predictions of Trump being chastened, having learnt his lesson and all.

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No. Because they really do support everything Trump is doing. They’re every bit the asshole that Trump is!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:14:30pm
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:15:57pm
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:16:14pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:23:40pm

@jack let James Woods back on Twitter…

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William Lewis  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:36:09pm

Just a hint - If you have ever liked Star Trek, Picard is the finest yet.

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gocart mozart  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:44:41pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:46:18pm
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mmmirele  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:48:36pm

The complete and utter nutjobbery that is QAnon is too insane to be contained within the borders of the USA, to wit:

A Sydney psychiatrist who posted “bizarre” alt-right conspiracy theories he claimed were the directives of US President Donald Trump to his practice’s official website has been struck off the medical register.

The Dee Why doctor Russell Everard McGregor claimed Trump had taped evidence of a global Satanist paedophile network, that 9/11 was faked, and that the ABC was part of an international deep state network covering up the crimes of the elite.

Many of the 300-plus posts from 2018 onwards related to the debunked QAnon conspiracy that suggests Trump is leading a crusade against “deep state” forces who protect satanic paedophile rings.

“Fight with your keyboard, knowledge and pen,” McGregor wrote in one post in January 2018. “Follow Q breadcrumbs on 8chan.

“The evil truth will be hard for most to bear. Be brave. Seek loved ones and offer compassion to friends and family.”

theguardian.com

There’s more wackiness in this article (scroll down). smh.com.au

The former doctor has a Twitter account, easily found…I wasn’t going to provide it but you know sometimes you just have to let the Q nuts speak for themselves:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 8:59:17pm

Want to know why Republicans are hell bent on getting the Democratic nomination for Bernie?

talkingpointsmemo.com

Back in 2016 and then again into 2017 a series of press reports raised questions about Sanders’ wife Jane Sanders and her time as President of Burlington College. The college underwent a dramatic expansion under Sanders’ leadership and then closed in 2016 under a mountain of debt. Press reports and political critics suggested that Jane Sanders and Senator Sanders’ Senate office had pressured People’s United Bank to make a $6.7 million loan to the bank which underwrote the expansion.

That’s the accusation.

Sanders denies the claims about his office, calling it “nonsense” and no one has ever been formally accused of any wrongdoing. That is the accusation. But let’s set the accusations and its merits aside for the moment and look at where those criticisms and press reports came from. They start with a guy named Brady Toensing who sent a letter to the US Attorney in Vermont asking him to probe whether Jane Sanders’ committed fraud with respect to that loan.

Now, who is Brady Toensing? Depending on who you ask he is either a “prominent muckraker” or a garden variety GOP hit man. But more directly relevant for our purposes he was the Vermont campaign chairman for Donald Trump in 2016 and Vice Chair of the Vermont State Republican party.

Even more noteworthy he is the son of the right-wing legal power couple Victoria Toensing and Joe DiGenova, who are at the heart of the Ukraine pressure campaign on behalf of President Trump. They are regulars on Fox News as Trump defenders and in the mix with Rudy Giuliani in the effort to manufacture dirt on Joe Biden in Ukraine. They’re signed up to work for Dmitry Firtash, that Ukrainian oligarch who’s fighting extradition to the US to face bribery charges.

The deal explained in various press reports in recent months was pretty straightforward: Firtash gets former prosecutor Shokin to make accusations against Biden and Giuliani, Toensing and DiGenova get Bill Barr to get Firtash off the hook for criminal charges in the US. (Meanwhile, Toensing and DiGenova also represent Joe Solomon and had Lev Parnas working for them as part of their defense of Firtash.)

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:01:41pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:04:16pm

re: #41 Ace-o-aces

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OOPS SHREWSAN DID IT AGAIN!

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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:12:52pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:16:05pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:32:44pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:34:24pm

re: #45 Dread Pirate

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Barr needs to be disbarred.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:43:11pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:44:36pm

On the coronavirus front, of the 313 cases outside of China, there remain only 2 deaths. These figures continue to suggest that ultimately the death rate will probably not be much higher than normal seasonal flu. And a reminder, that flu is so deadly because it is contagious and infects so many people. The same may prove to be true of this new disease.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 9:56:59pm

re: #48 Hecuba’s daughter

On the coronavirus front, of the 313 cases outside of China, there remain only 2 deaths. These figures continue to suggest that ultimately the death rate will probably not be much higher than normal seasonal flu. And a reminder, that flu is so deadly because it is contagious and infects so many people. The same may prove to be true of this new disease.

It could it mean if you have enough respirators you can keep the deaths low. SHTF when 3rd world countries are overwhelmed by the critical cases. You may have noticed the Chinese media have quit counting the critical patients. 2019 nCoV looks like it takes more than 30 days to run it’s course and the recovered are still not significant in number compared to the dead. There are no numbers for those who aren’t hospitalized but most are being tracked in some sort of quarantine state.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 6, 2020 • 10:12:20pm

re: #49 Dread Pirate

It could it mean if you have enough respirators you can keep the deaths low. SHTF when 3rd world countries are overwhelmed by the critical cases. You may have noticed the Chinese media have quit counting the critical patients. 2019 nCoV looks like it takes more than 30 days to run it’s course and the recovered are still not significant in number compared to the dead. There are no numbers for those who aren’t hospitalized but most are being tracked in some sort of quarantine state.

I usually check the following site: worldometers.info

The column labeled critical shows, for China, 4820 critical out of a reported total of 31,161, i.e. about 15% appear to be so classified. Outside China, only 4 people are so classified. The actual number of cases is probably significantly higher but fortunately it doesn’t appear to be a “Contagion” level crisis.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2020 • 10:19:05pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 11:01:14pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 11:04:06pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2020 • 11:08:14pm

Jesus fuck is there a terrible idea these assholes don’t like?

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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 11:10:27pm
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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2020 • 11:26:07pm

Shame that showing leadership and concern is more likely to get her crucified because this happened to begin with, while Sanders continues to reap the benefits of scorched earth brinksmanship

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2020 • 11:30:35pm

re: #56 Citizen K

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Shame that showing leadership and concern is more likely to get her crucified because this happened to begin with, while Sanders continues to reap the benefits of scorched earth brinksmanship

Meanwhile, the Sanders campaign has received all sorts of complaints (from low wages to sexual harassment) and has received little coverage in the corporate media because he simply responds to allegations with denials and excuses.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 6, 2020 • 11:36:53pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the Sanders campaign has received all sorts of complaints (from low wages to sexual harassment) and has received little coverage in the corporate media because he simply responds to allegations with denials and excuses.

Reminds me of someone.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 11:38:22pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 6, 2020 • 11:55:50pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 7, 2020 • 12:35:17am

re: #36 William Lewis

Just a hint - If you have ever liked Star Trek, Picard is the finest yet.

It presents itself as a more serious story compared to many ST series/movies. I credit Stewart for want to be in a show where he can bring it.

Still, the toxic-fandom that roles around certain trekkie circles is whining yet again. Not as much as with ST:D, but still frothing.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 7, 2020 • 12:40:58am

For evidence, here are the tag lines of the top three (as ranked by “usefulness”) user reviews of ST:Picard, on IMDB:

3/10
Another serialized, overly dramatic, hopeless-feeling show that got the “Star Trek” label slapped on it.
mikerlz31 January 2020

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3/10
This isn’t Star Trek.

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3/10
A show ruined by the current zeitgeist

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 7, 2020 • 12:46:07am

Current thought: the toxic fandom that surrounds ST reboots and new series is very much in line with Trumpism.

The toxic fans are not really evaluating the products on the merits of the products. Instead, said fans often embody the white-male-victimhood mentality, and if not that then just the priority-of-the-past, in other words just nostalgia.

This is how Trump works his marks - by reifying their belief that life was better back in their childhood, a childhood now long gone and missed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 12:47:31am

re: #36 William Lewis

Just a hint - If you have ever liked Star Trek, Picard is the finest yet.

Shit, and my Amazon just expired. Gotta find someone else to piggyback on.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 7, 2020 • 12:49:23am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 7, 2020 • 1:21:49am

A rising internet-preacher (i.e., the new generations version for the older generations’ TV-preachers) who claims to be an “apologist” is afraid of hard questions:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 1:28:18am

re: #66 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

“Any atheists trolling by dumping atheist channels into this post are getting blocked.” - You are afraid. You are also exhibiting intellectual cowardice.

Because nothing says “intellectual courage” like blocking somebody…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 1:39:27am

re: #66 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

A rising internet-preacher (i.e., the new generations version for the older generations’ TV-preachers) who claims to be an “apologist” is afraid of hard questions:

See also YouTube. Apologetics videos almost always block all comments, while counter-apologtics channels don’t (and Christians post long walls of scriptural text as if that’s supposed to convince anyone).

The entire point of Christian apologetics is to reinforce the beliefs of those who already believe. The idea is to inoculate against facts.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 1:50:04am

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹🎃

See also YouTube. Apologetics videos almost always block all comments, while counter-apologtics channels don’t (and Christians post long walls of scriptural text as if that’s supposed to convince anyone).

The entire point of Christian apologetics is to reinforce the beliefs of those who already believe. The idea is to inoculate against facts.

Indeed, apologists anywhere - our ol’ buddy Adnan Oktar (currently in the slammer in Turkey and on trial for various and sundry charges) was quite good at inoculating his followers against facts and reinforcing his…shall we say, highly eccentric…interpretation of Islam.

And he also managed to create a (smallish) cult of personality, apparently centered on the idea that he is the Mahdi. He’s basically the Turkish Islamic version of a prosperity gospel televangelist.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 7, 2020 • 1:51:06am

CLed from last string. (Speaking of CL, pbuh and may her spirit and example strengthen us for the trials ahead.)
re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep, the Base is morally degenerate. This is not a case of slimy manipulators misleading the well-intentioned but simple-minded rubes. The rubes are as slimy as the hucksters, which actually fits with con-artist tradition since prehistoric times, “you can’t cheat an honest man.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 1:51:36am

re: #66 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Mike Winger is a notoriously dishonest apologist who’s been known by counter-apologists for many years.

He is a first-class wingnut who works for a large church in California. He has a large YouTube presence.

Amongst other things, he believes atheism is brainwashing, LGBT rights should not exist, &c.

Their church Website (which I will not link) is one of those open, welcoming affairs which hides its actual mission (because Lying for Jesus has been around since Saint Augustine).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 2:00:23am

Neighbor uses crossbow to save man from dogs, but kills him (Greenwich, Conn. Time)

ADAMS, Mass. (AP) — A man was shot and killed in his apartment by a crossbow bolt that a neighbor had fired at dogs who were attacking the man, authorities in Massachusetts said.

The death Wednesday afternoon in Adams appears to be accidental, according to Berkshire District Attorney Andrea Harrington.

The neighbor heard a commotion and the victim, who was a friend, shouting for help just after noon, authorities said.

The neighbor made his way into the apartment, then returned to his own unit to get the crossbow, which he was licensed to own and used for hunting, Harrington said at a news conference Thursday.

(more)

The neighbour struck the dog with a glancing blow from the bolt, it went through the apartment door and killed the man he was trying to save.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 2:11:53am

South Dakota is bringing forth bills to prohibit localities from banning so-called conversion therapy, banning county officials from acknowledging (through issuing licenses) same-sex marriage, ban laws protecting gay rights or trans rights, prohibiting a birth certificate from bearing any sex other than that assigned at birth by observation of genitals, and banning public libraries from having or organising Drag Queen Story Times (and linking them to zoophilia and objectophilia).

Some interpretations of the last bill would also outlaw all sex toys.

WHOA! New South Dakota Laws Are ATROCIOUS for LGBTQA+!!! (Goes to Mr. Atheist, a religious counter-apologist channel who is questioning the pumpkin-curious NIFB pastor Tommy McMurty, 15:13)

WHOA! New South Dakota Laws Are ATROCIOUS for LGBTQA+!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 2:56:40am

The Wuhan Coronavirus might end up producing a truly worldwide economic ripple effect.

The threat from the coronavirus crisis closed in on the global auto industry on Thursday, as Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV warned that a European plant could shut down within two to four weeks if Chinese parts suppliers cannot get back to work.

The next several weeks will be critical for automakers. Parts made in China are used in millions of vehicles assembled elsewhere, and China’s Hubei province, epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, is a major hub for vehicle parts production and shipments.

reuters.com

As the article notes, automakers had done a bit of stockpiling in anticipation of Chinese New Year, but those stockpiles are going to be running out pretty soon - and with so much of the global economy heavily dependent on just-in-time supply chains and logistics, yeah, if this outbreak continues, or gets worse, heaven forbid (which could essentially vastly reduce China’s manufacturing capacity for a prolonged period), then this could very well be one of those Black Swan events that economists love to speculate about.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 2:58:33am

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

It’s a good thing we have a very stable genius to manage an economic crisis in our nation. /s

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:03:39am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹🎃

It’s a good thing we have a very stable genius to manage an economic crisis in our nation. /s

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Teukka  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:19:51am

Anti-anti-vaxx propaganda, Friday edition:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:22:08am

Everyone has their own way to get a buzz?

Lemurs get high | Spy in the Wild - BBC

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:28:19am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:31:50am

How to Stage Your Own Death So Your Husband Understands How Much Work You Do (Goes to McSweeney’s Internet Tendency, more at the link):

Need to make your husband understand just how much of the physical, mental, and emotional labor you do in your marriage? Staging your own death is the key. Here’s a step-by-step guide featuring a totally hypothetical husband named Alex who will no doubt finally step up to the plate when you make your miraculous return from the dead.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:39:13am

Exclusive: Customs and Border Protection Gains an Extra Layer of Secrecy (Goes to The Nation, more at the link):

On Friday, the Trump administration quietly designated the entire Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agency, which polices US borders, as a “Security Agency,” according to an internal memo obtained by The Nation. This follows repeated attempts by federal immigration authorities to dramatically expand their reach in recent years.

The memo, which was signed by CBP’s Acting Commissioner Mark Morgan and dated January 31, places CBP under the same designation as highly secretive intelligence and law enforcement agencies like the FBI and Secret Service. This grants CBP greater secrecy by exempting certain records from disclosure to the public.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:44:25am

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

The Wuhan Coronavirus might end up producing a truly worldwide economic ripple effect.

I thought it was supposed to be good for American jobs and manufacturing…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:45:48am

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Exclusive: Customs and Border Protection Gains an Extra Layer of Secrecy (Goes to The Nation, more at the link):

So now kids can really fall down the rabbit hole without even being missed in the first place…

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Ming5000  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:46:02am

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The Dr Li story has struck a nerve with Chinese people that I know. They are so sad.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:49:25am

Filling Trump’s vacuum. This could trigger the Russians, at least the troll farm/propaganda component of their strategic forces. It is seldom discussed in public, but the Finns have a fearsome reputation in Russia, as a kind of northern bogeyman, a legacy from the fight they put up during World War II.

Force de dissuasion

The Force de frappe (French for: strike force), or Force de dissuasion after 1961, is the designation of what used to be a triad of air-, sea- and land-based nuclear weapons intended for dissuasion, the French term for deterrence.

The French cut back on nuclear forces after the Cold War, retiring the obsolete silo-based component and the Army’s mobile short range missiles. It is still a larger and more varied force than Britain’s, which consists only of a limited number of Trident missile warheads.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:55:25am

Today’s word origin post.

It is frequently thought the honourific “Ms.” was promoted by feminists in the Seventies in some sort of cultural war.

That is not so. The title appears much earlier than that, and not for that reason.

Ms. (goes to the New York Times Magazine, more at the link):

In the Nov. 10, 1901, edition of The Sunday Republican of Springfield, Mass., tucked away in an item at the bottom of Page 4, an unnamed writer put forth a modest proposal. “There is a void in the English language which, with some diffidence, we undertake to fill,” the writer began. “Every one has been put in an embarrassing position by ignorance of the status of some woman. To call a maiden Mrs. is only a shade worse than to insult a matron with the inferior title Miss. Yet it is not always easy to know the facts.”

How to avoid this potential social faux pas? The writer suggested “a more comprehensive term which does homage to the sex without expressing any views as to their domestic situation,” namely, Ms. With this “simple” and “easy to write” title, a tactfully ambiguous compromise between Miss and Mrs., “the person concerned can translate it properly according to circumstances.” The writer even gave a pronunciation tip: “For oral use it might be rendered as ‘Mizz,’ which would be a close parallel to the practice long universal in many bucolic regions, where a slurred Mis’ does duty for Miss and Mrs. alike.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 7, 2020 • 3:56:05am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:04:14am

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I have a plan for the first 100 days of my presidency. But in the first 100 seconds, I will fire Betsy DeVos.

As you said, “from a cannon” and to which I’ll add “into the Sun”.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:08:58am

Note the unsigned letter in the Springfield Sunday Republican was almost certainly written by a man.

In that article at #86 is the line:

To call a maiden Mrs. is only a shade worse than to insult a matron with the inferior title Miss.

Note “Miss” is considered an insult to a married woman, even worse than “Mrs.” to an unmarried woman. (I can’t know but suspect that the reasons would be the married woman’s status is tied to her marriage, and the unmarried woman is not “complete” since she is unmarried. Also, the married woman might take “Miss” as a compliment, since that could imply “you look so young.”)

As the article notes, the question was discussed long before Gloria Steinem launched Ms. magazine.

It also notes that business correspondence style guides were already referencing “Ms.” in the 1930’s, and at least between businesses “Ms.” was the normal style when addressing a woman in a company by the Fifties.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:10:04am

Thread on the 180-degree transformation of Sean Davis and The Federalist from extreme Trump critics to Trump attack dogs:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:15:15am

Continuing this long, unasked for thought on Ms.:

Over a hundred years ago there was discussion on how a woman should be addressed so as not to be offensive. By the Fifties, the business community had decided on Ms.

As far as the three honourifics go, I have always used Ms. unless the person corrects me and tells me they want to be addressed as Mrs. or Miss or another honourific (such as Doctor if I can’t tell). Most, but not all women around here seem to prefer Mrs. or Miss, which is fine with me. It costs me nothing to call someone what they want to be called.

Likewise with men regardless of age in a public setting (aside from children), I tend to use “Sir” unless I am corrected to Mr., another honourific, or none.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:16:03am

Good morning fellow Lizards!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:17:08am

re: #92 The Pie Overlord!

Good morning fellow Lizards!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:21:15am

re: #92 The Pie Overlord!

Good morning fellow Lizards!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:22:53am

re: #92 The Pie Overlord!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:35:03am

Some interesting entertainment news:

Lionsgate CEO Jon Feltheimer said Thursday during the company’s third-quarter earnings call that a sequel to Knives Out is officially a go, hinting that a production start for a follow-up to the money-making and critically acclaimed Rian Johnson whodunit is imminent.

The news comes as the film starring Daniel Craig, which earned Johnson his first Oscar nomination for his Original Screenplay, is nearing the $300 million mark at the worldwide box office. It was one of three films to come out during Lionsgate’s fiscal Q3 along with Midway and Bombshell. As a result, film revenue rose 30% in the quarter, the company said.

Johnson has been openly hinting he was keen to do a sequel to Knives Out, his contemporary spin on an Agatha Christie-esque murder mystery with Craig’s private investigator Benoit Blanc at the center of the tale. Chris Evans, Ana de Armas, Jamie Lee Curtis and Michael Shannon led the strong ensemble cast.

deadline.com

I genuinely enjoyed Knives Out; it’s been nominated for a Best Original Screenplay Oscar and Daniel Craig (and the rest of the cast) was fantastic.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:35:05am

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Television fluffers say what?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:40:40am

So I looked at the list of people who are logged on. There are thirty-two, many of whom I do not know.

Hi.

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steve_davis  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:47:40am

re: #7 Dread Pirate

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well, fortunately the constitution has a built-in way of defending against this sort of thing. it just requires people to get off their asses one day a year.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:53:32am

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹🎃

So I looked at the list of people who are logged on. There are thirty-two, many of whom I do not know.

Hi.

you and I are most always synchronous, I because I live on Central European Time, you because you live on Anymouse Time

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A Mom Anon  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:58:31am

re: #92 The Pie Overlord!

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2020 • 4:59:23am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I wake up to this crap from the local media outlet.

No one actually thinks Tulsi would match up best with Trump. She’s barely polling outside the MOE. She’s polling better among Assad apologists than among Democrats.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:01:45am

Heatbreaking news this morning……

Pat Buchanan, noted paleocon commentator, Nixon-Reagan speechwriter, and spiritual heir to Father Coughlin, is still alive at age 81.

My sincere condolences to the civilized world.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:07:37am

re: #102 lawhawk

No one actually thinks Tulsi would match up best with Trump. She’s barely polling outside the MOE. She’s polling better among Assad apologists than among Democrats.

Again, there are a lot more people who want to see her as the DNC nominee than want to see her as President…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:08:19am

re: #103 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Heatbreaking news this morning……

Pat Buchanan, noted paleocon commentator, Nixon-Reagan speechwriter, and spiritual heir to Father Coughlin, is still alive at age 81.

My sincere condolences to the civilized world.

I think Buchanan is protoTrump though I don’t think Buchanan could inspire a cult of personality.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:14:03am

re: #102 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I wake up to this crap from the local media outlet.

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No one actually thinks Tulsi would match up best with Trump. She’s barely polling outside the MOE. She’s polling better among Assad apologists than among Democrats.

Her own constituents are exhausted by her. And her FP image is nothing but bs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:15:06am

re: #105 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think Buchanan is protoTrump though I don’t think Buchanan could inspire a cult of personality.

I recall reading Hunter Thompson relating that Pat Buchanan read his and found it “the funniest book he had ever read”, which indicates that he, unlike most all modern GOP, had a few redeeming human features.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:17:24am
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mmmirele  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:18:01am

re: #66 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

A rising internet-preacher (i.e., the new generations version for the older generations’ TV-preachers) who claims to be an “apologist” is afraid of hard questions:

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Mike Winger is trying to make his name as an Evangelical apologist against atheists, Calvinists and excessive Charismatics. He’s carved himself out a niche. As for being a rising Internet preacher, he’s kind of in a hard spot. He’s an associate pastor at a Calvary Chapel, which is run on a Moses Model (aka “dictatorship”). So, despite the title, he probably has very little input in his church, so he takes it out on YouTube. But yeah, otherwise, he’s annoying.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:20:38am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall reading Hunter Thompson relating that Pat Buchanan read his and found it “the funniest book he had ever read”, which indicates that he, unlike most all modern GOP, had a few redeeming human features.

Nah, he was still a fascist. He had a big role in the Southern Strategy. His friendship with HST was interesting but he’s always been the same Pat shaped by the Francoist worldview.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:22:42am

re: #102 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I wake up to this crap from the local media outlet.

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No one actually thinks Tulsi would match up best with Trump. She’s barely polling outside the MOE. She’s polling better among Assad apologists than among Democrats.

I’m interested to see how Tulsi does here in NH. She’s had the second longest exposure after Bernie in terms of signage and commercials. Somehow she has the money to flood the local airwaves over the last week or so. Her commercials attack Trump by contrasting him with “good” presidents like Obama and—get this, Ronald Reagan, but doesn’t (yet) go after democrats.

On the other hand, I was at an event about 3 weeks ago at my son’s high school and there was a Tulsi town hall at the high school at the same time. My son’s ceremony was in the large auditorium while her town hall was in the freshmen cafeteria.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:24:03am

re: #7 Dread Pirate

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This is autocracy. Plain and simple. And Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Cory Gardner and Martha Mc Sally have all encouraged enabled it

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:26:36am

So, about the coronavirus and what we’re seeing both in China and in Wuhan and elsewhere.

Death toll and incidence rates appear much higher in Wuhan than elsewhere. I wonder if that’s a function of testing now knowing that it is out there. How many people get sick but don’t go to the doctor or go and aren’t tested. How many are tested? Those all affect baseline figures.

These are the kinds of questions that epidemologists have to figure out, but we’ve got reports of cruise ships with suspected patients being quarantined in the US (Bayonne) and Japan.

Prompt care is likely to help reduce complications and mortality figures.

Thing is that influenza is transmitted in similar fashion and sickens and kills far more people. We don’t treat it with the same urgency as this emerging disease.

The prevention methods are the same - limit contact and wash hands. We have vaccines for influenza, and there’s word that researchers are working on a vaccine for Wuhan coronavirus as well.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:27:37am

re: #112 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

They are complicit in the coverup. They were too craven and cowardly to do the right thing. They didn’t want Trump to say bad words about them.

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mmmirele  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:28:06am

re: #77 Teukka

Anti-anti-vaxx propaganda, Friday edition:

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Don’t know if people saw this, but

On Facebook, anti-vaxxers urged a mom not to give her son Tamiflu. He later died.
Online groups that routinely traffic in anti-vaccination propaganda have become a resource for people seeking out a wide variety of medical information.

nbcnews.com

I actually saw this a couple of days ago, when the child was still alive and very sick, because an anti-vaxxer group I’m part of on FB (DAWI 2 Electric Woogaloo) had posted screenshots of the woman asking for advice in the “Stop Mandatory Vaccination” group. Apparently the SMV admins then went through and cleared out all of the woman’s posts, but some of the posts were saved because The Internet Is Forever.

I can’t even imagine having children and then treating them like this.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:28:47am

Every once in awhile I’ll hear that China is no longer a communist state. That’s really complicated, but at times like these it’s clear that it’s more than just vestigial.

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mmmirele  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:30:56am

I went to check and apparently Stop Mandatory Vaccination is now saying the woman was a troll pretending to be the mother of a sick child.

Uhm, no…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:33:26am

re: #110 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Nah, he was still a fascist. He had a big role in the Southern Strategy. His friendship with HST was interesting but he’s always been the same Pat shaped by the Francoist worldview.

Didn’t say he wasn’t a fascist, just that he was somewhat less of a bastard than most of the modern GOP.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:34:42am

re: #55 Dread Pirate

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We’re gonna fire you before you quit
I already gave notice
But you’re still here
So you’re fired

Asshats

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:38:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:39:23am

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

Every once in awhile I’ll hear that China is no longer a communist state. That’s really complicated, but at times like these it’s clear that it’s more than just vestigial.

it is still an authoritarian state, and authoritarians seize any opportunity to tighten their control, even if it means cracking down on the free flow of information.

I had to sign up to WeChat to communicate with my GF when she was in China last year, as FB and WhatsApp and Skype are all blocked there…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:40:48am

re: #117 mmmirele

I went to check and apparently Stop Mandatory Vaccination is now saying the woman was a troll pretending to be the mother of a sick child.

Uhm, no…

and Sandy Hook was a conspiracy…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:43:25am

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Just In: Joe Walsh Drops Out of Presidential Race, Says He’d ‘Rather Have a Socialist Than a Dictator’ in White House

This guy is the Florida Man of politics…

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:45:53am

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Continuing this long, unasked for thought on Ms.:

Over a hundred years ago there was discussion on how a woman should be addressed so as not to be offensive. By the Fifties, the business community had decided on Ms.

As far as the three honourifics go, I have always used Ms. unless the person corrects me and tells me they want to be addressed as Mrs. or Miss or another honourific (such as Doctor if I can’t tell). Most, but not all women around here seem to prefer Mrs. or Miss, which is fine with me. It costs me nothing to call someone what they want to be called.

Likewise with men regardless of age in a public setting (aside from children), I tend to use “Sir” unless I am corrected to Mr., another honourific, or none.

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jeffreyw  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:47:23am

Good morning!

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:48:48am

re: #102 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I wake up to this crap from the local media outlet.

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No one actually thinks Tulsi would match up best with Trump. She’s barely polling outside the MOE. She’s polling better among Assad apologists than among Democrats.

If only she got more attention she’d be more popular

Pretzel logic right up there with if more people voted for him he would have won

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 5:53:46am

re: #126 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

If only she got more attention she’d be more popular

Pretzel logic right up there with if more people voted for him he would have won

nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:00:31am

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Gotta reinforce that stereotype rather than just say it’s ok to vote for a Dem

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:03:31am

re: #128 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Gotta reinforce that stereotype rather than just say it’s ok to vote for a Dem

“You don’t sweat much for a fat chick!”

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:08:51am

re: #128 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

At least someone is mentioning there’s a dictator in the White House. Most of our broadcast media is obsessing over the Iowa caucus process.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:10:21am

re: #130 jaunte

At least someone is mentioning there’s a dictator in the White House. Most of our broadcast media is obsessing over the Iowa caucus process.

and pretending that we still have a functioning balance of powers in place

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:12:04am

We’re in a constitutional crisis that affects everyone in the country and the reporting is “Democrats in Disarray.”

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garzooma  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:16:39am

re: #128 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Gotta reinforce that stereotype rather than just say it’s ok to vote for a Dem

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Well, Sanders does call himself a socialist.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:18:30am

Looks like Mick’s on the way out
That’s what loyalty gets ya
Ettd

That get over it comment probably didn’t help

Otoh, dump the guy who knows what you did and how you did it…..?

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:20:13am

re: #133 garzooma

Well, Sanders does call himself a socialist.

…vote for *any * dem

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:25:17am

re: #132 jaunte

We’re in a constitutional crisis that affects everyone in the country and the reporting is “Democrats in Disarray.”

and “Democrats veer hard left”

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:26:36am
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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:27:09am

Ummm… Mulvaney is both acting Chief of Staff and OMB. Trump’s now looking at sending Mulvaney packing (or get Mulvaney to resign because Trump’s incapable of manning up and firing someone directly).

Who’s filling those positions? Jared?

Of course Jared’s going to fill them. Trump doesn’t listen to anyone but his family and values loyalty above all else.

The articles keep focusing on Mulvaney’s role as acting chief of staff, but gloss over that he’s at OMB too. He remains directly tied to Trump’s Ukraine scheme and the House should again subpoena him to testify under oath.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:27:37am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:36:41am

re: #139 jaunte

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And, adjusted for inflation, the vaunted income growth is an illusion.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:41:26am
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jaunte  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:45:57am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:47:08am

re: #138 lawhawk

Ummm… Mulvaney is both acting Chief of Staff and OMB. Trump’s now looking at sending Mulvaney packing (or get Mulvaney to resign because Trump’s incapable of manning up and firing someone directly).

Who’s filling those positions? Jared?

Of course Jared’s going to fill them. Trump doesn’t listen to anyone but his family and values loyalty above all else.

The articles keep focusing on Mulvaney’s role as acting chief of staff, but gloss over that he’s at OMB too. He remains directly tied to Trump’s Ukraine scheme and the House should again subpoena him to testify under oath.

fwiw he hasnt even been acting at acting chief of staff for a while

trump would have booted him long ago if it werent for the bad optics during the trial in which he was neither convicted nor exonerated

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:51:43am

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it is still an authoritarian state, and authoritarians seize any opportunity to tighten their control, even if it means cracking down on the free flow of information.

I had to sign up to WeChat to communicate with my GF when she was in China last year, as FB and WhatsApp and Skype are all blocked there…

Well, yes, I’m aware of that. I’m more interested in the question of how the authoritarian state uses its arsenal of communist ideology in the crisis. One answer is an op-ed in the Global Times that warns against “provoking the masses” and while the government empathizes with the pain, “it stands with the masses.” Will that be effective in controlling public outrage? When Zhou Enlai died the government was completely unprepared for the outpouring of grief from the “masses,” eventually relaxed things until the “Democracy Wall” experiment got out of control, and then turned ever-more authoritarian. I think Hong Kong protests and now the death of Li Wenliang, the doctor arrested for “rumormongering” who has died of the virus, are huge challenges for the CCP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:58:13am

re: #144 Barefoot Grin

“Maintaining social harmony” is a big theme from Classic Chinese philosophy of governance that the Communists have adopted in their own style. They used it to ban a popular historical soap opera as it was “sowing social discord”.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 6:58:26am

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:02:40am

Pre: #144 Barefoot Grin

Well, yes, I’m aware of that. I’m more interested in the question of how the authoritarian state uses its arsenal of communist ideology in the crisis. One answer is an op-ed in the Global Times that warns against “provoking the masses” and while the government empathizes with the pain, “it stands with the masses.” Will that be effective in controlling public outrage? When Zhou Enlai died the government was completely unprepared for the outpouring of grief from the “masses,” eventually relaxed things until the “Democracy Wall” experiment got out of control, and then turned ever-more authoritarian. I think Hong Kong protests and now the death of Li Wenliang, the doctor arrested for “rumormongering” who has died of the virus, are huge challenges for the CCP.

Definitely makes me glad I took classes on China. And you are right while the economics of the CCP are not what they were under Mao or even Deng, the party is still authoritarian. China should be the lesson that capitalism does not always begate democracy.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:04:00am

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We’ve been veering hard left ever since my first election in 1980. Either we’re going real slow or we’ve gone in a bunch of circles by now.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:05:50am

This is a lie.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:08:25am

re: #141 jaunte

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This is pretty significant symbolically given our (Virginia’s) role in the CSA not just in providing generals, men, but also the capital. Today Virginia has an African American Lt Governor, Jewish Speaker and Majority Leader. Virginia Democratic elected officials are very diverse as is the base.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:09:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:10:11am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹🎃

We’ve been veering hard left ever since my first election in 1980. Either we’re going real slow or we’ve gone in a bunch of circles by now.

recall that promoting or supporting any form of government beyond military and police (or corporate subsidies) is Socialism

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:12:53am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

recall that promoting or supporting any form of government beyond military and police (or corporate subsidies) is Socialism

And the military is the biggest socialist organisation in the world’s history.

That said, conservatives want to privatise as much of it as they can as well.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:15:10am

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And the military is the biggest socialist organisation in the world’s history.

That said, conservatives want to privatise as much of it as they can as well.

Look at what Erik Prince has been doing. Any other Metal Gear Solid fans here? Seems straight outta MGS 4.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:21:01am

re: #139 jaunte

…in a way that makes Obama look like a fiscal conservative…

Obama was fairly fiscally conservative compared to all the recent republicans. Compared to the last previous preznit who managed to leave the government with money (Clinton) he was on par, I think.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:24:23am

re: #155 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Obama was fairly fiscally conservative compared to all the recent republicans. Compared to the last previous preznit who managed to leave the government with money (Clinton) he was on par, I think.

The thing fiscal conservatives should see is some of the most fiscally conservative Presidents were Dems. And the relative few Republican ones like Ford and HW Bush were despised by conservatives. Reagan, W Bush, & Trump are all anything but models of fiscal responsibility.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:31:20am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:35:33am

Theory: The Chinese government is portraying the Coronavirus as worse than it actually is to justify further crackdowns on its populace.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:36:30am

re: #157 The Pie Overlord!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:38:07am

re: #157 The Pie Overlord!

Yay!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:40:40am

em>re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

Theory: The Chinese government is portraying the Coronavirus as worse than it actually is to justify further crackdowns on its populace.

Have no idea but Xi is the biggest cult of personality they’ve had since Mao died. Obviously it’s still been a dictatorship but it’s becoming more of a dictatorship under one man under Xi.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:42:24am

re: #134 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

If he talks, he will be labeled a “disgruntled career bureaucrat with a score to settle”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:44:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:47:07am

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And the military is the biggest socialist organisation in the world’s history.

That said, conservatives want to privatise as much of it as they can as well.

No-bid, cost-plus contracts are pure socialism

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:48:20am

re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

Theory: The Chinese government is portraying the Coronavirus as worse than it actually is to justify further crackdowns on its populace.

Then why did they suppress Li Wenliang (the doctor who made the outbreak public)?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:49:14am

re: #165 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Then why did they suppress Li Wenliang (the doctor who made the outbreak public)?

we know what happens to whistleblowers in an authoritarian setting

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:49:54am

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:53:55am

re: #161 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

em>re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

Have no idea but Xi is the biggest cult of personality they’ve had since Mao died. Obviously it’s still been a dictatorship but it’s becoming more of a dictatorship under one man under Xi.

You bet….Xi Jinping is the “Great Helmsman” redux.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:56:21am

re: #165 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Then why did they suppress Li Wenliang (the doctor who made the outbreak public)?

And he has since “died” from the coronavirus… My wife believe that; I do not. The cause part, that is.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 7:59:18am

re: #168 Dr Lizardo

You bet….Xi Jinping is the “Great Helmsman” redux.

He’s a shrewd leader in every way Trump is not. Which I get isn’t saying much but Xi has been trying to build Chinese soft power.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:01:20am

re: #170 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s a shrewd leader in every way Trump is not. Which I get isn’t saying much but Xi has been trying to build Chinese soft power.

He understands soft power, far better than Trump and his cultists ever will.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:03:20am

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹🎃

hail Zuul

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:03:37am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:03:56am

re: #170 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s a shrewd leader in every way Trump is not. Which I get isn’t saying much but Xi has been trying to build Chinese soft power.

They have been trying to frame their persecution of the Uighurs in Xinkiang province as part of the world struggle against terrorism and Islamism when it is more a matter of ethic repression, the Uighurs are more closely related, both culturally and genetically, to Kazakhs and Uzbeks than Han CHinese.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:04:19am

re: #173 The Pie Overlord!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:04:27am

Trump beats congressional Democrats’ emoluments lawsuit

President Donald Trump beat back a lawsuit by 215 congressional Democrats who say he has been violating the Constitution’s emoluments clauses by profiting from foreign government spending at his Washington hotel and other properties.

A federal appeals court in Washington on Friday dismissed the case, saying members of the House and Senate lacked the legal standing to sue the president.

“The Members can, and likely will, continue to use their weighty voices to make their case to the American people, their colleagues in the Congress and the President himself, all of whom are free to engage that argument as they see fit,” a three-judge panel of the federal appeals court in Washington said on Friday. “But we will not indeed we cannot participate in this debate, overturning an April trial court ruling.” They heard arguments on Dec. 9 in Washington.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:04:59am

re: #156 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The thing fiscal conservatives should see is some of the most fiscally conservative Presidents were Dems. And the relative few Republican ones like Ford and HW Bush were despised by conservatives. Reagan, W Bush, & Trump are all anything but models of fiscal responsibility.

they give away free stuff to the already rich

ford, HW, and the dems didnt/dont

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:06:58am

re: #167 Patricia Kayden

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what was his expertise there….?

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:07:48am

re: #173 The Pie Overlord!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:08:18am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They have been trying to frame their persecution of the Uighurs in Xinkiang province as part of the world struggle against terrorism and Islamism when it is more a matter of ethic repression, the Uighurs are more closely related, both culturally and genetically, to Kazakhs and Uzbeks than Han CHinese.

That’s not soft power. That’s projecting strength like Putin does in the Caucasus region. I’m talking about how he has invested in Africa with both Chinese infrastructure and diplomacy. It’s why Trumpiam isolationism populism is dangerous. Equally why it’s why so think Sanders is a fool.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:08:23am

re: #176 Colère Tueur de Lapin

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:11:23am

re: #171 Dr Lizardo

He understands soft power, far better than Trump and his cultists ever will.

Yeah definitely need to learn more about him. I think he’s the first General Secretary to have been born after Mao took over. That’s important to note just like it was that Gorbachev was born after the Bolshevik Revolution. It’s easy to go “Oh he’s a communist.” Look at what he’s lived and you can understand a little of his worldview.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:11:50am

re: #92 The Pie Overlord!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:12:58am

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s not soft power. That’s projecting strength like Putin does in the Caucasus region. I’m talking about how he has invested in Africa with both Chinese infrastructure and diplomacy. It’s why Trumpiam isolationism populism is dangerous. Equally why it’s why so think Sanders is a fool.

but they are trying to get people to approve what they are doing, which is what a lot of soft power is about

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:13:45am
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:16:12am

re: #179 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:16:20am

re: #182 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah definitely need to learn more about him. I think he’s the first General Secretary to have been born after Mao took over. That’s important to note just like it was that Gorbachev was born after the Bolshevik Revolution. It’s easy to go “Oh he’s a communist.” Look at what he’s lived and you can understand a little of his worldview.

You can read his book, “The Governance of China” as a .pdf - I won’t link it here, but just Google Governance of China pdf and it’ll come up on a site called bannedthought dot net. It’s the first result that comes up.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:16:35am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but they are trying to get people to approve what they are doing, which is what a lot of soft power is about

Through oppression. That’s the total opposite of soft power. Yes he’s building up support but the actions in the historically autonomous regions are a consolidation of power. Stalin taking over the Baltics was the same thing. It wasn’t a soft power move.

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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:17:08am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹🎃

This is a lie.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:17:34am

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

You can read his book, “The Governance of China” as a .pdf - I won’t link it here, but just Google Governance of China pdf and it’ll come up on a site called bannedthought dot net. It’s the first result that comes up.

I’ll check it out.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:19:51am

re: #189 retired cynic

As far as I am concerned, they can fire her at the same time they do DeVos.

Into the same sun.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:20:44am

re: #190 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ll check it out.

It’s an interesting read - much like “Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung” (aka The Little Red Book), it gives you some insight into his Xi Jinping’s thinking.

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makeitstop  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:21:40am

…the hell?

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:22:18am

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:22:58am

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

It’s an interesting read - much like “Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung” (aka The Little Red Book), it gives you some insight into his Xi Jinping’s thinking.

Yeah I’ve heard that’s what it compares to. I need to learn more about how the Cultural Revolution impacted him. Some of his predecessors were oppressed during that iirc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:23:06am

re: #185 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, New York elected a bunch of “far-left radical socialists” and look at what happened. Brokers fees are now eliminated, saving working people thousands of dollars per move.

What’s next, affordable childcare? Cheaper medicine? Legal marijuana??

Truly scary developments.

NYC is already a socialist hellhole, hardly matters what happens there.

Our job is to salvage the parts of America (outside of California) that can still be saved.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:23:33am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹🎃

There’s no reason to require the majority of the chamber to be party to the emoluments suit. This is an excuse to try and kill the suit before the election or otherwise delay action until well after.

The rationale that individual members can’t sue on the emoluments grounds is shaky at best since the constitution doesn’t indicate any minimum number or even that a majority of a chamber move to respond. What the court is essentially saying is that we can have the tyranny of the majority - if Democrats were in minority in both house and senate, they’d lack standing to sue on emoluments grounds. That’s asinine.

This is an extremely poorly decided ruling.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:23:42am

re: #188 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Through oppression. That’s the total opposite of soft power. Yes he’s building up support but the actions in the historically autonomous regions are a consolidation of power. Stalin taking over the Baltics was the same thing. It wasn’t a soft power move.

again, they are trying to sell it to the rest of the world as something worthy of approval

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:24:51am

re: #193 makeitstop

…the hell?

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:26:36am

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’ve long thought that my mom was dyslexic (undiagnosed) and believe that my sister is too. Now I’m wondering about myself, because at first glance, I saw “Thin Crust” on the sign. Maybe I’m just hungry.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:26:56am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Does that mean the case will be taken to the Supreme Court?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:27:25am

re: #201 Hecuba’s daughter

Does that mean the case will be taken to the Supreme Court?

I don’t know.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:28:07am

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:28:07am

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:28:34am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, they are trying to sell it to the rest of the world as something worthy of approval

Yes, this is hard power. I don’t doubt he’s trying to sell the world this way but it’s a form of hard power.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:31:06am

re: #200 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’ve long thought that my mom was dyslexic (undiagnosed) and believe that my sister is too. Now I’m wondering about myself, because at first glance, I saw “Thin Crust” on the sign. Maybe I’m just hungry.

I saw “Thrust Crisp”

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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:32:44am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:33:56am

foreignpolicy.com
And that is perhaps why China is now refocusing from hard power to soft, even as the rest of the world has seemed to go in the opposite direction. President Xi Jinping, for example, has called for “a community of shared destiny,” in which nations are allowed their own development paths while working to increase interconnectedness. In the policy arena, such soft power mostly takes the form of the Belt and Road Initiative, which leverages China’s massive capital and capacity to drive infrastructure-led development in other countries to spur economic growth that would ultimately benefit China itself. It is a new potential soft power proposition: “You don’t have to want to be like us, you don’t have to want what we want; you can participate in a new form of globalization while retaining your own culture, ideology, and institutions.” This is, in many ways, the opposite of Nye’s formulation, with all the downfalls that approach entails: overreach, the illusion of universal appeals, and internal and external backlashes.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:35:36am

re: #207 retired cynic

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:37:46am

re: #207 retired cynic

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:42:22am
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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:43:45am

re: #211 Citizen K

My candidate! So depressing and so not surprising.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:44:15am

re: #211 Citizen K

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Harris got punished for having to enforce the laws that they devised. Ir sucks. My dream ticket was Harris-O’Rourke or Castro. Still wish it was possible but alas.

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:45:18am

re: #212 retired cynic

My candidate! So depressing and so not surprising.

re: #213 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Harris got punished for having to enforce the laws that they devised. Ir sucks. My dream ticket was Harris-O’Rourke or Castro. Still wish it was possible but alas.

The impenetrability of double standards…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:45:39am

re: #212 retired cynic

My candidate! So depressing and so not surprising.

And I think the Democrats in Congress know it. Schumer’s given her a lot of time to represent the party position. If Kamala’s name was Kam Harris and she was a white man from Ohio, she would be the front runner right now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:45:53am

re: #211 Citizen K

Three white men will usually get more attention than a colored woman any way you slice it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:46:10am

re: #210 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The just ignore him argument stopped making sense when he started winning GOP primaries. Maybe he should have been ignored or ostracized from political discussion when he became King Birther but now 8 years later with him as POTUS, no we can’t ignore him. He’s already appointed two SCOTUS judges, many more circuit judges, and has transformed executive power into something very dangerous.

The press could have taken him to task for making false, spurious or unsubstantiated claims, but they just simply related what he said without question or comment.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:46:46am

re: #214 Citizen K

The impenetrability of double standards…

Yep, and I say this as a white man, white privilege is as much a thing in Democratic politics as it is everywhere else. Kamala got labeled a cop by people who totally ignored what you mentioned above.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:48:54am

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

Three white men will usually get more attention than a colored woman any way you slice it.

Three white men all over 70. My old man isn’t young by any means but he’s a spring chicken compared to those three. I like Biden. He’s a kind, decent man but I really wish that Harris, O’Rourke, Booker, Castro, Gillibrand, and Klobuchar had emerged. And yeah I know they definitely made some mistakes along the way but good god, I’m just disappointed that the we could not have gotten some middle ground age wise between Bernie/Biden and Pete.

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:49:38am

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

Three white men will usually get more attention than a colored woman any way you slice it.

I mean…in her case, it wasn’t just that she didn’t get as much attention, but all the attention she was given was almost wholly negative based on shit that the three white men in question aren’t getting nearly enough shit for despite, you know, actually crafting/voting on said laws, rather than being tasked with enforcement of something already drafted.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:50:12am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The press could have taken him to task for making false, spurious or unsubstantiated claims, but they just simply related what he said without question or comment.

Or they could have called out his circus rallies what they are, an angry little man yelling at clouds. That’s what yesterday was.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:52:34am

re: #213 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Harris got punished for having to enforce the laws that they devised. Ir sucks. My dream ticket was Harris-O’Rourke or Castro. Still wish it was possible but alas.

i am completely not invested in this primary

my dream ticket is a D-D.

That’s it for me because I am confident that the primary process, such as it is, easily weeds out the totally not possible ones (and the fruitcakes)

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:53:02am

re: #197 lawhawk

There’s no reason to require the majority of the chamber to be party to the emoluments suit. This is an excuse to try and kill the suit before the election or otherwise delay action until well after.

The rationale that individual members can’t sue on the emoluments grounds is shaky at best since the constitution doesn’t indicate any minimum number or even that a majority of a chamber move to respond. What the court is essentially saying is that we can have the tyranny of the majority - if Democrats were in minority in both house and senate, they’d lack standing to sue on emoluments grounds. That’s asinine.

This is an extremely poorly decided ruling.

The continued legal elevation to President as King continues unabated.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:53:15am

re: #220 Citizen K

I mean…in her case, it wasn’t just that she didn’t get as much attention, but all the attention she was given was almost wholly negative based on shit that the three white men in question aren’t getting nearly enough shit for despite, you know, actually crafting/voting on said laws, rather than being tasked with enforcement of something already drafted.

It’s such a shame. It’s become you’re either a centrist establishmentarian or a tear it down leftist. I want change. But I don’t think that you can totally dismiss the old guard or youth either. I really feel had things gone right, Kamala could have been that candidate but someone wanted to take her out and they succeeded. Now the good news is I think she could run again or be a serious VP contender or any job she may want in the executive branch should she want it.

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:55:59am

Well, this is cheery news.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:56:04am

re: #222 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

i am completely not invested in this primary

my dream ticket is a D-D.

That’s it for me because I am confident that the primary process, such as it is, easily weeds out the totally not possible ones (and the fruitcakes)

I was more interested when we had more candidates that looked like America. I just think the process took out a lot of decent candidates with good messages. Castro was awesome on immigration. Beto showed that you could be honest about white privilege and be kind. It was a beautiful gesture when he took time off from his campaign to comfort the victims on both sides of the border after El Paso. Harris had some great ideas on dealing with maternal mortality. I just hate that it turned out this way and I really think part of the blame lies in the double standards that K talks about along with the primary calendar favoring white candidates.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:56:39am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The press could have taken him to task for making false, spurious or unsubstantiated claims, but they just simply related what he said without question or comment.

they stopped being reporters - accurately relaying what occurred and in context (ie lies)

they learned early on and became participants and enablers.
cheerleaders for his behavior because it’s good for them financially.

to paraphrase a favorite movie of mine:

lf trump told lies, the press told half-lies.
And a man who tells lies, like trump, merely hides the truth.
But a press who tells half-lies has forgotten where they put it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:58:34am

re: #222 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

i am completely not invested in this primary

my dream ticket is a D-D.

That’s it for me because I am confident that the primary process, such as it is, easily weeds out the totally not possible ones (and the fruitcakes)

Yup. I hate the narrative “Well, if I have to hold my nose and vote for X, I will.” I will enthusiastically support whoever comes out of the primary process.

Real enthusiasm there. Very convincing to radical centrists or those only paying attention in the last month before an election.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 7, 2020 • 8:58:50am

People are noticing:

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:00:55am

So, for your viewing pleasure - and maybe, a bit of edification, a documentary on Taoism.

The Art of Effortless Living (Taoist Documentary)

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jeffreyw  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:01:05am

re: #222 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

i am completely not invested in this primary

my dream ticket is a D-D.

That’s it for me because I am confident that the primary process, such as it is, easily weeds out the totally not possible ones (and the fruitcakes)

QFT

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:01:20am

re: #225 Citizen K

Well, this is cheery news.

Plenty of derp in that thread.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:01:52am

re: #222 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

i am completely not invested in this primary

my dream ticket is a D-D.

That’s it for me because I am confident that the primary process, such as it is, easily weeds out the totally not possible ones (and the fruitcakes)

you mean like it did for the GOP in 2016?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:01:55am

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yup. I hate the narrative “Well, if I have to hold my nose and vote for X, I will.” I will enthusiastically support whoever comes out of the primary process.

Real enthusiasm there. Very convincing to radical centrists or those only paying attention in the last month before an election.

Hold up there, I didn’t say I was going to have to hold my nose. I said I merely was disappointed that our presidential candidate finalists didn’t end up looking like our party. I’ve actually come to admire Biden a great deal more as I learn about his stutter and overcoming it as I have a stutter myself and I really admire that Warren has a genuine passion for helping the middle class but the future of our party and nation is in diversity and I can remain disappointed that the system as it exists seems to have harmed even though they offered as much as our current finalists.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:03:37am

re: #229 Flying Squirrel Girl

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makeitstop  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:05:05am

re: #229 Flying Squirrel Girl

People are noticing:

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Am I a bad person for hoping he pulls an Elvis?

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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:05:21am

re: #229 Flying Squirrel Girl

People are noticing:

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No wonder he can’t read.

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Ferdinand  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:05:58am

re: #226 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I was more interested when we had more candidates that looked like America. I just think the process took out a lot of decent candidates with good messages. Castro was awesome on immigration. Beto showed that you could be honest about white privilege and be kind. It was a beautiful gesture when he took time off from his campaign to comfort the victims on both sides of the border after El Paso. Harris had some great ideas on dealing with maternal mortality. I just hate that it turned out this way and I really think part of the blame lies in the double standards that K talks about along with the primary calendar favoring white candidates.

In hindsight, I place some of the blame on the damn campaigns starting way too early at a time when people were desperate for an alternative to Trump to consider. If Booker, Harris, Castro, and O’Rourke had waited as late as even, say, fricking Bloomberg did then by the time they hit periods of intense scrutiny, it would be on the eve of votes when the early states could at least weigh in. Of course this doesn’t explain how fricking Mayor Pete has survived while those four didn’t.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:06:13am

re: #236 makeitstop

Am I a bad person for hoping he pulls an Elvis?

you mean a little less conversation?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:06:44am

re: #236 makeitstop

Am I a bad person for hoping he pulls an Elvis?

I want to know if the golden toilet will be in his library along with his TV. because there sure won’t be too many books in the Trump Presidential Library.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:06:50am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you mean like it did for the GOP in 2016?

i meant ours not theirs, of course.
and (williamson)

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:07:12am

re: #193 makeitstop

…the hell?

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“Let me take care of that, you got a little trump on ya.”

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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:10:05am

Charlie Pierce: Donald Trump’s Sanity Has Retired and Met Its Maker

(There was one particularly weird passage when he congratulated Rep. Steve Scalise for surviving his gunshot wounds and then went into how lousy a second-baseman Scalise is and expressed amazement that Scalise’s wife was upset that Scalise had been shot. “He was not going to make it. I said, she loves you. Why? Because she was devastated. A lot of wives wouldn’t give a damn.” Ask the man who knows, I guess.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:10:05am

re: #241 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

i meant ours not theirs, of course.
and (williamson)

The issue this year is that the GOP has no primary to distract them from indulging in the most malicious, pernicious, underhanded ratfucking that they can come up with their criminal minds.

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BeachDem  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:10:18am

re: #220 Citizen K

I mean…in her case, it wasn’t just that she didn’t get as much attention, but all the attention she was given was almost wholly negative based on shit that the three white men in question aren’t getting nearly enough shit for despite, you know, actually crafting/voting on said laws, rather than being tasked with enforcement of something already drafted.

I got to meet Kamala twice before they ran her out of town. Once at a meet and greet at a small restaurant and once at a rally followed by a meet and greet photo session.

She was charming, engaging, smart—answered questions candidly and sincerely, came across as genuine. She really listened to what people said and responded to their concerns. I’m disappointed that she got really short shrift, as she was my #1 choice.

Yes, I’ll support whoever is the Dem candidate, but I’m now putting more time, money and effort into local candidates and, of course, Jaime Harrison’s bid to unseat Lindsey Graham.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:10:40am

re: #238 Ferdinand

In hindsight, I place some of the blame on the damn campaigns starting way too early at a time when people were desperate for an alternative to Trump to consider. If Booker, Harris, Castro, and O’Rourke had waited as late as even, say, fricking Bloomberg did then by the time they hit periods of intense scrutiny, it would be on the eve of votes when the early states could at least weigh in. Of course this doesn’t explain how fricking Mayor Pete has survived while those four didn’t.

Yeah I don’t get Mayor Pete. He’s a charismatic enough guy and I get why people like him but South Bend is smaller than both of the counties I’ve lived in. I wish he would considered running for Congress, Governor, or Senator first. I will gladly concede I think Beto wasn’t qualified but I think Beto was offering the socially liberal but fiscally moderate message I’ve been looking for. I also think he would have helped forge stronger relations with both of our two largest neighbors. I still like the idea of Beto for Ambassador to Mexico or the Organization of American States.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:15:11am

re: #245 BeachDem

I got to meet Kamala twice before they ran her out of town. Once at a meet and greet at a small restaurant and once at a rally followed by a meet and greet photo session.

She was charming, engaging, smart—answered questions candidly and sincerely, came across as genuine. She really listened to what people said and responded to their concerns. I’m disappointed that she got really short shrift, as she was my #1 choice.

Yes, I’ll support whoever is the Dem candidate, but I’m now putting more time, money and effort into local candidates and, of course, Jaime Harrison’s bid to unseat Lindsey Graham.

She just has an air of cool about her. Obama had that too. Someone you know was intelligent, thoughtful, open-minded, and willing to listen to opinions other than hers. It really makes me so disappointed in the left that a lot of us fell for the smears and discredited her in favor of other candidates. I mean here you’ve got a woman who is Senator from our largest state, was AG of that state, and also had been DA for one of its largest counties. And then what we’re saying about how she exudes intelligence and confidence. She really is a bright woman and it’s shown everytime she’s been in the spotlight whether it was Kavanaugh’s confirmation or the trial.

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makeitstop  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:15:30am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you mean a little less conversation?

So to speak.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:16:04am

re: #234 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Hold up there, I didn’t say I was going to have to hold my nose. I said I merely was disappointed that our presidential candidate finalists didn’t end up looking like our party. I’ve actually come to admire Biden a great deal more as I learn about his stutter and overcoming it as I have a stutter myself and I really admire that Warren has a genuine passion for helping the middle class but the future of our party and nation is in diversity and I can remain disappointed that the system as it exists seems to have harmed even though they offered as much as our current finalists.

I’m sorry if I was unclear; I didn’t mean you were saying you might have to hold your nose.

I was referring to the large mass of Gen Eric Democrats who plaster that in social media, magazines, chats, &c.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:16:12am

re: #243 retired cynic

Charlie Pierce: Donald Trump’s Sanity Has Retired and Met Its Maker

As I said yesterday, I don’t care how big the Trump cult is, if anyone wasn’t thinking to quote that weird philosopher Dubya “This is some weird shit”when Trump was ranting about Scalise’s shooting.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:16:29am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jailhouse Rock?

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:16:50am

Nielsen TV Ratings

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:16:59am

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m sorry if I was unclear; I didn’t mean you were saying you might have to hold your nose.

I was referring to the large mass of Gen Eric Democrats who plaster that in social media, magazines, chats, &c.

Fair enough.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:17:46am

re: #251 lawhawk

Jailhouse Rock?

I always preferred Roy Orbison to Elvis so I hope Donald will be “Crying” when he’s “Only the Lonely” on Election Day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:17:53am

re: #207 retired cynic

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me, three years ago:

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:18:37am

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

You can read his book, “The Governance of China” as a .pdf - I won’t link it here, but just Google Governance of China pdf and it’ll come up on a site called bannedthought dot net. It’s the first result that comes up.

It’s interesting to compare the cases of Xi Jinping and Bo Xilai (whose wife was arrested for murdering a British man who had been acting as a financial aid; Bo, too, was arrested and jailed for life). Both had fathers who emerged from the Long March only to later be brutalized during the Cultural Revolution. Their fathers were both rehabilitated by Deng Xiaoping. I believe Xi’s father was put in charge of implementing the first Special Economic Zone in Shenzhen area. Bo was promoting a return to Maoism as a popular mayor in Dalien and then in Chongqing or was it governor? and was it Chongqing? my memory is for shit) by cracking down on corruption. He was seen as a potential rival to Xi until his wife’s shenanigans came to light. It helped give Xi a green light to kick start his own nationwide anti-corruption campaigns, which killed two birds with one stone: he could further weed out rivals and convince the people that he was getting tough on profligate officials and their Little Prince/Princess children.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:19:27am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

me, three years ago:

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Makeitstop if you’re here dude, our pal Frank in 1933:
We all thought we had nothing to lose
That we could trust in crossed fingers and horseshoes
That everything would work out, no matter what we choose
The first time it was a tragedy
The second time is a farce

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:20:02am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The issue this year is that the GOP has no primary to distract them from indulging in the most malicious, pernicious, underhanded ratfucking that they can come up with their criminal minds.

indeed

for me, all the D’s are good (except williamson and tulsi)
it’s a good bunch. all of them
and i am confident no one is going to pick a bad vp

so im good with any D-D ticket to grab the helm and correct the heading

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:21:14am

re: #256 Barefoot Grin

It’s interesting to compare the cases of Xi Jinping and Bo Xilai (whose wife was arrested for murdering a British man who had been acting as a financial aid; Bo, too, was arrested and jailed for life). Both had fathers who emerged from the Long March only to later be brutalized during the Cultural Revolution. Their fathers were both rehabilitated by Deng Xiaoping. I believe Xi’s father was put in charge of implementing the first Special Economic Zone in Shenzhen area. Bo was promoting a return to Maoism as a popular mayor in Dalien and then in Chongqing or was it governor? and was it Chongqing? my memory is for shit) by cracking down on corruption. He was seen as a potential rival to Xi until his wife’s shenanigans came to light. It helped give Xi a green light to kick start his own nationwide anti-corruption campaigns, which killed two birds with one stone: he could further weed out rivals and convince the people that he was getting tough on profligate officials and their Little Prince/Princess children.

The transition of power from President Hu was happening around the time I took Chinese history. So we were seeing what happened with Bo in real time as we took the class. That was a difficult class but ultimately very rewarding intellectually because I stopped seeing the PRC leadership as just heirs of Mao rather than people trying to create their own image of China. I think Bo btw was a mayor.

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Teukka  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:26:09am

re: #225 Citizen K

Well, this is cheery news.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:26:54am

Another one bites the dust. At least it’s only stealing this time, no kiddie diddling. (Still no new evidence on Hillary’s alleged murders and cannibal orgies though. Sorry)

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makeitstop  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:28:36am

re: #257 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Makeitstop if you’re here dude, our pal Frank in 1933:
We all thought we had nothing to lose
That we could trust in crossed fingers and horseshoes
That everything would work out, no matter what we choose
The first time it was a tragedy
The second time is a farce

‘Outside it’s 1933 so I’m hitting the bar’

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:28:37am
264
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:29:06am

re: #261 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Who could have guessed these were all terrible, immoral people?

//

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:29:44am

re: #261 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Another one bites the dust. At least it’s only stealing this time, no kiddie diddling. (Still no new evidence on Hillary’s alleged murders and cannibal orgies though. Sorry)

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It’s all one giant grift. Patriot LLC.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:29:54am

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:31:09am

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

It’s always the creepy shit like this. It can never be something “We’re doing pretty well under President Trump”, it has to be hyperbolic shit like this.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:32:47am

re: #262 makeitstop

‘Outside it’s 1933 so I’m hitting the bar’

I like the line beware of simple plans, that shit’s for fascists and maybe teenagers. You can’t fix the world if all you have is a hammer.

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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:33:21am

drifttglass: Benghazi Now. Benghazi Tomorrow. Benghazi Forever.

No mad dog has ever become less mad by being let off the leash, and no fascist’s thirst for tyranny has ever been slaked by appeasement.

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Teukka  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:33:57am

Heh. Found this one in the thread with the Antarctica going 65F+:

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:35:15am

re: #238 Ferdinand

In hindsight, I place some of the blame on the damn campaigns starting way too early at a time when people were desperate for an alternative to Trump to consider. If Booker, Harris, Castro, and O’Rourke had waited as late as even, say, fricking Bloomberg did then by the time they hit periods of intense scrutiny, it would be on the eve of votes when the early states could at least weigh in. Of course this doesn’t explain how fricking Mayor Pete has survived while those four didn’t.

I mean…I don’t think any of those 4 could afford to wait like Bloomberg did, literally so. Half the reason he’s even being taken minutely seriously this late in the stage is his money.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:35:38am

re: #167 Patricia Kayden

Truman—The Buck Stops Here

Trump—Fuck ‘em and Fleece ‘em!

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makeitstop  Feb 7, 2020 • 9:37:19am

re: #268 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I like the line beware of simple plans, that shit’s for fascists and maybe teenagers. You can’t fix the world if all you have is a hammer.

My fave is

Don’t go mistaking your house burning down for the dawn

And just so everyone knows what we’re going on about..

Frank Turner - 1933

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LadyBehir  Feb 7, 2020 • 10:50:24am

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I lurk. Keep the page up almost all the time. Hi back at ya!

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gocart mozart  Feb 7, 2020 • 10:59:12am

re: #193 makeitstop


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