Bluegrass Against the Machine: Rising Appalachia: Tiny Desk Concert

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Watch Rising Appalachia play “Resilient”, “Medicine” and “Cuckoo” at the Tiny Desk.

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Rising Appalachia’s Tiny Desk Concert is charged with the roots music that sisters Leah Song and Chloe Smith learned in fiddle camps as kids. Growing up in urban Atlanta and beyond, they also heard rhythms from a wider world, and their music grew to reflect new sounds and their activism. When they came to NPR, their van was packed with a bodhrán (Irish drum), an ngoni (West African harp) a huge gourd, a cello, a baritone guitar and more, including the other musicians who make up this wandering, Atlanta-based band: David Brown, Biko Casini, Arouna Diarra and Duncan Wickel.

But American roots music sure seems to be the connecting tissue for this group. They end the set with a song Leah and Chloe “learned from our mama, an old boot-stompin’ Appalachian folk tune” called “Cuckoo,” where the many worlds of American, Irish and African music and storytelling combine, and Rising Appalachia shines.

SET LIST
“Resilient”
“Medicine”
“Cuckoo”

MUSICIANS
Leah Song: vocals, banjo, bodhrán; Chloe Smith: vocals, guitar, fiddle, banjo; David Brown: baritone guitar; Biko Casini: percussion; Arouna Diarra: ngoni; Duncan Wickel: fiddle, cello

CREDITS
Producers: Bob Boilen, Maia Stern, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative director: Bob Boilen; Audio engineers: Josh Rogosin, Natasha Branch; Editor: Maia Stern; Videographers: Kara Frame, Morgan Noelle Smith, Maia Stern, Jack Corbett; Associate producer: Bobby Carter; Executive producer: Lauren Onkey; VP, programming: Anya Grundmann; Photo: Mhari Shaw

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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:32:17am
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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:33:01am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:33:29am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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So Donald doesn’t liked to be demeaned? Interesting. Fuck him.

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SteelPH  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:34:27am

re: #3 I Would Prefer Not To

So Donald doesn’t liked to be demeaned? Interesting. Fuck him.

He can dish it out, but he can’t take it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:37:49am

These are people who can compare photos of the 2013 and 2017 inauguration crowds and insist that the latter was bigger…no point in lingering over whether this shot was photoshopped or not.

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SteelPH  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:41:22am

re: #5 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These are people who can compare photos of the 2013 and 2017 inauguration crowds and insist that the latter was bigger…no point in lingering over whether this shot was photoshopped or not.

Usually by claiming inauguration photos from unrelated years are the 2017 ones.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:42:51am

Got CL’d in the last thread.

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I actually hang out with some Anglicans from the Church of Christ the King in Frankfurt and find them a decent lot, I have to say they changed my attitude about Christianity. Not enough to get me to convert, but I see that it is not all Fundamentalism, doctrinal infighting and Bible-Thumping.

Of course I was raised Catholic and then subjected to Campus Crusade for Christ proselytizers in college, so that really put me off Christianity for a long time.

I lived in a Wohngemeinschaft in Berlin that was run by Jesuits (you know, God’s Marines). I’d never really encountered Jesuits before, but I can say that I gained tremendous respect for them. Prior to that, I lived in the Georg-von-Rauch-Haus, a far-left collective, also in Berlin, named after Georg von Rauch, a member of the Movement June 2 who died in a shootout with the police in late 1971.

Berlin is one helluva interesting city, LOL.

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jaunte  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:45:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:46:12am

re: #7 Dr Lizardo

Got CL’d in the last thread.

I lived in a Wohngemeinschaft in Berlin that was run by Jesuits (you know, God’s Marines). I’d never really encountered Jesuits before, but I can say that I gained tremendous respect for them. Prior to that, I lived in the Georg-von-Rauch-Haus, a far-left collective, also in Berlin, named after Georg von Rauch, a member of the Movement June 2 who died in a shootout with the police in late 1971.

Berlin is one helluva interesting city, LOL.

We even unofficially joined the Lutheran church in our little village on the Rhine, we helped the pastor put on the annual kiddie Christmas service. That was a lot closer to my notion of what church and congregation are all about.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:48:04am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:49:35am
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jaunte  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:49:45am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:51:14am

re: #12 jaunte

Let this become a meme, please.

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jaunte  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:52:27am
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sagehen  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:52:41am

re: #6 SteelPH

Usually by claiming inauguration photos from unrelated years are the 2017 ones.

This is why the pink pussy hats. Photos of their marches can’t be relabeled as anything else.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:53:20am
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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:54:29am

re: #10 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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And if your stomach can stand it, there are lots of pics where you can see Trump’s makeup line when the camera catches his pumpkin face at the right angle. The starkness of the line depends on how much makeup he caked on that day. Trump has constructed such an impenetrable bubble around himself that he thinks no one knows he wears makeup. SMDH

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:55:32am

re: #13 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Let this become a meme, please.

It is already

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:57:44am

re: #17 Teddy’s Person

And if your stomach can stand it, there are lots of pics where you can see Trump’s makeup line when the camera catches his pumpkin face at the right angle. The starkness of the line depends on how much makeup he caked on that day. Trump has constructed such an impenetrable bubble around himself that he thinks no one knows he wears makeup. SMDH

and again, it indicates that he puts it on himself. No professional makeup artist or cosmetician would allow something like that to be seen in public.

It goes to underscore how impervious he is to even the most constructive criticism of how he deports himself, communicates or presents himself to the public.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:58:14am

Mainstream won’t avoid the issue. By Monday every Republican member of the House and Senate will be wearing poorly applied orange makeup, except Romney. And they’ll call Mitt a weirdo.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 11:59:39am

re: #20 Barefoot Grin

Mainstream won’t avoid the issue. By Monday every Republican member of the House and Senate will be wearing poorly applied orange makeup, except Romney. And they’ll call Mitt a weirdo.

They’ll tackle Mittens in the cloak room and orange him up. That’s what schoolyard bullies do.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:00:29pm

re: #16 Dread Pirate

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“Lt Col” is in quotes. He earned that rank. Sick of how he Trump completely disrespects the military and gets away with it because of the cult.

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unproven innocence  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:00:32pm

re: #20 Barefoot Grin

Mainstream won’t avoid the issue. By Monday every Republican member of the House and Senate will be wearing poorly applied orange makeup, except Romney. And they’ll call Mitt a weirdo.

It will be an epic “I am Smarticus” movement.

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jaunte  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:01:32pm

If everyone on earth was on their knees worshipping Trump 24-7 he would find a way to be aggrieved, because he’s a walking emotional disorder. Fuck him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:02:14pm

re: #24 jaunte

If everyone on earth was on their knees worshipping Trump 24-7 he would find a way to be aggrieved, because he’s a walking emotional disorder. Fuck him.

It’s not normal how he insists on people worshipping him. It really isn’t.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:03:49pm

re: #21 Teddy’s Person

They’ll tackle Mittens in the cloak room and orange him up. That’s what schoolyard bullies do.

TBH, there’d be a bit of karma in there for Mitt (though you may have intended that).

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mmmirele  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:06:55pm

The “reporter” Julie Roys blocked me on Twitter, presumably because I was unmerciful in calling her out on her attempt to defend deadnaming and misgendering transgender people. *shrug* But you know, the block stepped on my last nerve and I’ve had enough. I’m outside the “household of faith.” I am no longer calling myself Christian, not even a bad Christian.

It breaks my heart, but I can’t be aligned with people who hate like this. I just can’t. People can’t say that they “love” sexual minorities but also work to pass laws that would allow discrimination against LGBTQ people. They can’t claim to “love” transgender people but deadname and misgender them. Etc., etc., etc.

Julie Roys stepped on my last nerve. I’m sure it was a long time coming, but I’m crying right now because I can’t be in something anymore that gave my life meaning for so many decades. I just can’t.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:07:11pm

re: #26 Barefoot Grin

TBH, there’d be a bit of karma in there for Mitt (though you may have intended that).

You are correct, I did not intend to illicit any sympathy for R Money.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:09:36pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:11:57pm

re: #28 Teddy’s Person

You are correct, I did not intend to illicit any sympathy for R Money.

I see what you did there…

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sagehen  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:12:11pm

re: #21 Teddy’s Person

They’ll tackle Mittens in the cloak room and orange him up. That’s what schoolyard bullies do.

It’ll be just like that time in high school, when he and his friends tackled a classmate and gave him a haircut.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:12:20pm

re: #29 Dread Pirate

Tupperware after you store spaghetti in it

after being hit in the face with a carrot cake

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:12:46pm

re: #27 mmmirele

I regret that I have but one upding to give you. You have my support.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:12:56pm

re: #31 sagehen

It’ll be just like that time in high school, when he and his friends tackled a classmate and gave him a haircut.

I assume that was being referenced indirectly.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:14:13pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:15:28pm

re: #29 Dread Pirate

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:16:02pm

Trump really is the personification of toxic white male privilege. He just expects that everything he says and does should, not just be seen as good, but praised as superhuman feats never before achieved by anyone, anywhere in history.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:21:00pm

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

RIP Mr Bean. This is a very depressing year so far. :(

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:23:50pm

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

RIP
Veteran actor Orson Bean, 91, struck and killed by vehicle in Venice, California

When will the Clinton’s end this madness, will they ever feel they have killed enough?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:26:28pm

re: #40 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

When will the Clinton’s end this madness, will they ever feel they have killed enough?

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Oh the humanity…

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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:27:21pm

re: #40 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

When will the Clinton’s end this madness, will they ever feel they have killed enough?

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“Even Little Green Footballs thinks the Clinton’s killing spree must come to an end.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:28:59pm

re: #35 Dread Pirate

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It just never ends does it?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:30:10pm

re: #43 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It just never ends does it?

Nope, this entire administration is horrible, corrupt people from the bottom up.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:32:33pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:32:47pm

re: #37 Teddy’s Person

Trump really is the personification of toxic white male privilege. He just expects that everything he says and does should, not just be seen as good, but praised as superhuman feats never before achieved by anyone, anywhere in history.

I’m just trying to imagine how a black man with 5 kids by 3 women with zero prior elected experience would be viewed by the media and a history of being a jerk to minorities and women. Nope he’d be done. Trump owes his career to the fact that the media loves a pompous white male outsider who thinks he knows how to run the government.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:33:14pm

re: #42 Belafon

“Even Breivik-Inspirers Little Green Footballs thinks the Clinton’s killing spree must come to an end.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:33:49pm

re: #45 Dread Pirate

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Trump’s top Russia adviser is Nitup Rimdlav. He’s new.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:34:02pm

re: #27 mmmirele

The “reporter” Julie Roys blocked me on Twitter, presumably because I was unmerciful in calling her out on her attempt to defend deadnaming and misgendering transgender people. *shrug* But you know, the block stepped on my last nerve and I’ve had enough. I’m outside the “household of faith.” I am no longer calling myself Christian, not even a bad Christian.

It breaks my heart, but I can’t be aligned with people who hate like this. I just can’t. People can’t say that they “love” sexual minorities but also work to pass laws that would allow discrimination against LGBTQ people. They can’t claim to “love” transgender people but deadname and misgender them. Etc., etc., etc.

Julie Roys stepped on my last nerve. I’m sure it was a long time coming, but I’m crying right now because I can’t be in something anymore that gave my life meaning for so many decades. I just can’t.

I did the same thing, Mmmirele. It broke my heart but it also gave me peace to walk away. I will still attend an Episcopal church at holidays because it reminds me of family gone, but I no longer call myself a Christian.

My beliefs haven’t changed, I just choose to live them outside of a church or any organized religion.

Much love to you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:35:36pm

re: #46 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m just trying to imagine how a black man with 5 kids by 3 women with zero prior elected experience would be viewed by the media and a history of being a jerk to minorities and women. Nope he’d be done. Trump owes his career to the fact that the media loves a pompous white male outsider who thinks he knows how to run the government.

Trump is ratings gold.

The broadcast media exist to turn a profit for their owners.

They are not going to pull the plug on the most popular political reality-TV scandal crime drama of the century, even if it means leaving America subject to political chaos, economic decline and social discord.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:36:07pm

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Citizen K  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:36:21pm
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:36:23pm

All you artists that are not signed to any label, NPR Tiny Desk Contest is kicking off.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:37:47pm

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is ratings gold.

The broadcast media exist to turn a profit for their owners.

They are not going to pull the plug on the most popular political reality-TV scandal crime drama of the century, even if it means leaving America subject to political chaos, economic decline and social discord.

I’ve been a reporter albeit at an university newspaper, I know how the media operates for pete’s sake. I’m just saying that a black man with Trump’s history doesn’t make it to Iowa four years ago. That’s all I’m saying. We know why the media sticks with this crap.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:38:27pm

re: #52 Citizen K

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There’s nothing joyful about why they support him. It’s sick.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:38:35pm

re: #52 Citizen K

Progressives don’t understand that evangelicals support Trump out of joy not fear.

“Progressives” find no joy in delighting at other peoples’ misfortunes.

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VegasGolfer  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:39:28pm

Feel free to use this screen grab from the other day.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:40:55pm

Someones insurance policy expires at the end of the month

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:42:16pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Someones insurance policy expires at the end of the month

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Crap.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:42:21pm

re: #52 Citizen K

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Yeah, there’s nothing more joyful than kids dying in cages.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:42:57pm

re: #60 Teddy’s Person

Yeah, there’s nothing more joyful than kids dying in cages.

Or refugee applicants being denied. And if supporting Trump is so joyful, why the fuck do they cheer LOCK HER UP. That’s not joy.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:44:52pm

re: #61 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Normal, happy and well adjusted people don’t do this shit. They just don’t. Stupidity and anger seem to be far more contagious than kindness and compassion. It makes me sad and angry.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:45:23pm

re: #52 Citizen K

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Ignorance is bliss they say.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:45:58pm

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:46:10pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

Normal, happy and well adjusted people don’t do this shit. They just don’t. Stupidity and anger seem to be far more contagious than kindness and compassion. It makes me sad and angry.

There is nor has there ever been anything about kind and compassionate about the Evangelical right. They’re motivated to vote by their opposition to other people having rights. End of story.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:47:32pm

re: #45 Dread Pirate

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:49:16pm

re: #65 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

There is nor has there ever been anything about kind and compassionate about the Evangelical right. They’re motivated to vote by their opposition to other people having rights. End of story.

There was once, before they became indoctrinated in identity religion and identity politics. You know, back when good Christians were Democrats. Before the Southern Strategy and the scourge that is the anti-abortion movement. They were racist shits back then, and I understand that, but at least they did have some kindness and compassion in the days of yore.

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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:51:29pm

re: #67 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

There was once, before they became indoctrinated in identity religion and identity politics. You know, back when good Christians were Democrats. Before the Southern Strategy and the scourge that is the anti-abortion movement. They were racist shits back then, and I understand that, but at least they did have some kindness and compassion in the days of yore.

I don’t know if they called themselves Evangelicals or not, but there has always been a strain in this country that has wanted to use their Christianity to control, and there has generally always been a more liberal strain, the kind that thought it more important to take care of others.

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Citizen K  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:51:41pm

re: #60 Teddy’s Person

Yeah, there’s nothing more joyful than kids dying in cages.

The people that worship Trump do find joy in that. It’s just a joy based in hate and fear. As the tweet points out, Joy is not incompatible with ignorance, fear, or hate.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:51:54pm

re: #67 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

There was once, before they became indoctrinated in identity religion and identity politics. You know, back when good Christians were Democrats. Before the Southern Strategy and the scourge that is the anti-abortion movement. They were racist shits back then, and I understand that, but at least they did have some kindness and compassion in the days of yore.

The Evangelical right’s birth is in the aftermath of the Civil Rights Movement. Obviously not all Evangelicals. Hell there’s actually an Evangelical left tradition that doesn’t get as much attention too. The problem is Billy Graham liked power and access to it and then you had worse people like the Falwells, Robertsons, and others of the world who hate modernity so much.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:52:12pm

re: #68 Belafon

I don’t know if they called themselves Evangelicals or not, but there has always been a strain in this country that has wanted to use their Christianity to control, and there has generally always been a more liberal strain, the kind that thought it more important to take care of others.

That’s true. The Puritans really started all the shit.

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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:53:35pm

re: #71 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s true. The Puritans really started all the shit.

A lot of the 19th century revival movement was the same way.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:53:55pm

Fun fact, the Southern Baptists only exist because of slavery. Other fun fact, the Christian religion was used to tell the Lovings that their marriage was unlawful and wrong. It’s not Christianity itself. It’s the lumping of pre-existing political and cultural biases and combining them into a religion.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:54:45pm

re: #72 Belafon

A lot of the 19th century revival movement was the same way.

Yeah the Northern Evangelicals did things like support abolition, women’s suffrage, labor movements, temperance, etc. Southern Evangelicals meanwhile tried to justify slavery biblically.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:55:49pm

re: #74 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah the Northern Evangelicals did things like support abolition, women’s suffrage, labor movements, temperance, etc. Southern Evangelicals meanwhile tried to justify slavery biblically.

Yes, I just finished watching Birth of a Nation last night and that hypocritical aspect of Christianity really made me cringe.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:57:01pm

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, I just finished watching Birth of a Nation last night and that hypocritical aspect of Christianity really made me cringe.

They were also really vocal in their antisemitism too. Jesse Helms opposed Israel until he discovered he hated Muslims more than he did Jews.

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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 12:58:51pm

You all must go see the pictures: balloon-juice.com. John Cole has friends who have hens as pets, and put scarves on them because of the snow.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:00:13pm

re: #72 Belafon

A lot of the 19th century revival movement was the same way.

Yeah, the assumption underpinning a lot of that reform was that problems in society (like poverty) were caused by moral failings. Diet reformer Sylvester Graham (of graham cracker fame) cautioned his adherents on the dangers of masturbation.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:00:55pm

re: #78 Teddy’s Person

Yeah, the assumption underpinning a lot of that reform was that problems in society (like poverty) were caused by moral failings. Diet reformer Sylvester Graham (of graham cracker fame) cautioned his adherents on the dangers of masturbation.

That attitude has not changed to this very day. The “prosperity gospel” even explicitly preaches that poor people are poor because they don’t give enough to God.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:02:30pm

re: #79 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That attitude has not changed to this very day. The “prosperity gospel” even explicitly preaches that poor people are poor because they don’t give enough to God.

Prosperity gospel is just such offensive bullshit. I mean I don’t think there’s anything shameful about success but it’s not divinely inspired either.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:03:24pm

re: #80 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Prosperity gospel is just such offensive bullshit. I mean I don’t think there’s anything shameful about success but it’s not divinely inspired either.

God cannot be bought. I attended a prosperity gospel church for a while after I moved to the wild north country, and it almost put me off going to church altogether.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:04:58pm

re: #76 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They were also really vocal in their antisemitism too. Jesse Helms opposed Israel until he discovered he hated Muslims more than he did Jews.

They still hate the Jews, they just need a resurgent Israel with Jerusalem as its undivided capital to see their End Times prophecies fulfilled and kick-start Armageddon to user in the Second Coming.

Such sick fucks, all of them…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:05:48pm

re: #81 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

God cannot be bought. I attended a prosperity gospel church for a while after I moved to the wild north country, and it almost put me off going to church altogether.

My grand uncle as you know was a priest. He actually took that vow of poverty stuff pretty seriously. He wasn’t flying around in jets like Falwell and Graham do. As a lapsed Catholic, I find it hilarious almost that the Evangelicals have become worse examples of excesse than the Catholics they hated.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:06:40pm

re: #78 Teddy’s Person

Yeah, the assumption underpinning a lot of that reform was that problems in society (like poverty) were caused by moral failings. Diet reformer Sylvester Graham (of graham cracker fame) cautioned his adherents on the dangers of masturbation.

I remember Rick Santorum discussing a similar theme: that America’s economic decline was based on moral decline and the disappearance of the single-earner nuclear family with the stay-at-home mom.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:08:35pm

Man, it’s like decades and decades of con men telling a subset of Americans that they’re the only real patriots, the only real Christians, and the only really moral and intelligent people in the world has created not just a bunch of rubes as intended, but a whole worldview rooted in narcissism and hubris. And subsequently all the ideas and institutions they supposedly sustain have to be hollow, able to change doctrine minute to minute to suit the needs of both the grifters and the volatile, unwell mob of rubes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:10:31pm

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember Rick Santorum discussing a similar theme: that America’s economic decline was based on moral decline and the disappearance of the single-earner nuclear family with the stay-at-home mom.

Which is no longer feasible even for middle-class white people, due to the sharply rising price of college education and the lack of growth of income on the low end. Elite rich white men can still get their sons into the old school single-earner club, but that’s basically a status symbol now instead of the norm.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:13:28pm

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember Rick Santorum discussing a similar theme: that America’s economic decline was based on moral decline and the disappearance of the single-earner nuclear family with the stay-at-home mom.

Rick Santorum, of course, should go fuck himself. I was lucky to grow up in that single job mom at home situation, my dad made enough for that to be possible. The dumb notion that it is a moral failing that makes that less common these days is so stupid and infuriating. Especially since it is his party that has done whatever they could to make sure corporations can keep more of their revenue for themselves instead of sharing productivity and profit gains with labor.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:16:37pm

So generally everybody’s on board with the statement that what the wingnuts accuse of others of, they themselves are conducting?

Well, retroactively apply that to every claim about “the culture war.”

What we’re watching is, in anthropological terms, the outcome of culture. Maybe not exactly the outcome intended by the original figures that launched the change, but nonetheless the accretion of new meanings designed to push people into a new style of thinking.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:25:03pm

re: #87 Jebediah, RBG

Rick Santorum, of course, should go fuck himself. I was lucky to grow up in that single job mom at home situation, my dad made enough for that to be possible.

I grew up that way, too, because my dad belonged to a union that guaranteed him a wage that would support a family and he could send us to state colleges with subsidized tuition.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:25:24pm

Speaking of culture wars…

There is a move underway in Missouri to not just ban certain books and library activities, but to jail the librarians who permit them. The Parental Oversight of Public Libraries Act, HB 2044, would establish a five-person parental review board for each of Missouri’s public libraries. The (semi-literate) bill summary is full of typos and terrifying new rules.

The original impetus for this bill appears to be the representative’s [Ben Baker, who holds a degree from the non-accredited Ozark Bible Institute] discovery that the immensely popular Drag Queen Story Hour has been presented in libraries and bookstores around Missouri.

Source: Daily Kos

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:28:57pm

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I grew up that way, too, because my dad belonged to a union that guaranteed him a wage that would support a family and he could send us to state colleges with subsidized tuition.

My dad is one of those elite rich men I mentioned earlier. Now, I will grant that he made himself that way, coming from a relatively poor household in a backwater town and putting in the work to become rich and elite, but I owe all of my current situation to being his son.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:32:08pm

re: #91 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My dad is one of those elite rich men I mentioned earlier. Now, I will grant that he made himself that way, coming from a relatively poor household in a backwater town and putting in the work to become rich and elite, but I owe all of my current situation to being his son.

My dad was a steel worker, but all of his kids made it into the Middle Class, my oldest brother and sister even into the Management/shareholder class.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:32:53pm

Trump’s next Congressional Medal of Honor winner

Pete Rose gambled but only on games where he could influence the outcome.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:34:53pm

re: #93 Teddy’s Person

Trump’s next Congressional Medal of Honor winner

Pete Rose gambled but only on games where he could influence the outcome.

The only reason this is even becoming relevant is because Pete Rose took the opportunity of the Houston Astros getting busted for using video replay to steal catchers’ signs to appeal to the Commissioner to be reinstated in baseball. He’s trying to take advantage of a bad situation and make it about him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:36:40pm

At least Pete Rose did not commit war crimes…

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:37:25pm

re: #94 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The only reason this is even becoming relevant is because Pete Rose took the opportunity of the Houston Astros getting busted for using video replay to steal catchers’ signs to appeal to the Commissioner to be reinstated in baseball. He’s trying to take advantage of a bad situation and make it about him.

I wondered how Rose suddenly appeared in Trump’s orbit. I hadn’t seen anything indicating that Rose had publicly kissed Trump ass.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:39:16pm

re: #96 Teddy’s Person

I wondered how Rose suddenly appeared in Trump’s orbit. I hadn’t seen anything indicating that Rose had publicly kissed Trump ass.

Yeah. He appealed based on the fact that the Commish didn’t punish any of the Astros players for the whole affair, only the coaches and front office staff. He doesn’t have a prayer, but he decided to piggyback on an awful scandal to try and benefit himself.

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sagehen  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:39:19pm

re: #46 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m just trying to imagine how a black man with 5 kids by 3 women with zero prior elected experience would be viewed by the media and a history of being a jerk to minorities and women. Nope he’d be done. Trump owes his career to the fact that the media loves a pompous white male outsider who thinks he knows how to run the government.

The media doesn’t see him as some random pompous white male outsider. He’s a pompous white male media insider. He’s a guy who spent decades cultivating Jeff Zucker, Mark Burnett, Roger Ailes, Les Moonves, etc etc etc.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:41:45pm

This one mad me laugh out loud.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:48:09pm

re: #96 Teddy’s Person

I wondered how Rose suddenly appeared in Trump’s orbit. I hadn’t seen anything indicating that Rose had publicly kissed Trump ass.

Pete was on Fox Business three days ago asking MLB to reinstate him.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:48:16pm

Man, the ads on YouTube are suddenly totally out of control. They went from unobtrusive ads that you could manually skip to several minutes at a time of unskippable ads for shit nobody could possibly need.

This makes YouTube a real drag to use. And I’m not gonna pay $12 a month for it.

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William Lewis  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:48:43pm

re: #97 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Considering that the scumbag Ty Cobb is in it, there is no legitimate reason for Rose not to be in there as well.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:49:22pm
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jaunte  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:50:23pm

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William Lewis  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:50:28pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Man, the ads on YouTube are suddenly totally out of control. They went from unobtrusive ads that you could manually skip to several minutes at a time of unskippable ads for shit nobody could possibly need.

This makes YouTube a real drag to use. And I’m not gonna pay $12 a month for it.

Ad Block Pro must still be working because i haven’t noticed those and it’ll be a cold day before I whitelist them.

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Citizen K  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:53:09pm

Have I missed something about Bernie actually putting forth something regarding foreign policy or something?

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:53:36pm

This “Micah” seems like a nice man…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:53:38pm

There are also rumors that Rose was using corked bats in his last few seasons.

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Citizen K  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:55:07pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Man, the ads on YouTube are suddenly totally out of control. They went from unobtrusive ads that you could manually skip to several minutes at a time of unskippable ads for shit nobody could possibly need.

This makes YouTube a real drag to use. And I’m not gonna pay $12 a month for it.

The worst is when I kept constantly getting Ads that weren’t actually ads, but just full on sponsored pilots for shows, like Zoey’s Playlist or whatever. No ad should be longer than the video it’s being inserted in, much less 45 minutes.

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jaunte  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:55:14pm

re: #107 Sherlock Hound

What is the “rat” accusation about?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:55:25pm

re: #27 mmmirele

The “reporter” Julie Roys blocked me on Twitter, presumably because I was unmerciful in calling her out on her attempt to defend deadnaming and misgendering transgender people. *shrug* But you know, the block stepped on my last nerve and I’ve had enough. I’m outside the “household of faith.” I am no longer calling myself Christian, not even a bad Christian.

It breaks my heart, but I can’t be aligned with people who hate like this. I just can’t. People can’t say that they “love” sexual minorities but also work to pass laws that would allow discrimination against LGBTQ people. They can’t claim to “love” transgender people but deadname and misgender them. Etc., etc., etc.

Julie Roys stepped on my last nerve. I’m sure it was a long time coming, but I’m crying right now because I can’t be in something anymore that gave my life meaning for so many decades. I just can’t.

I made the final break in 1986 when I walked out of church for the last time while my aunt yelled at me. Never looked back. I cannot step foot in a place that has become nothing more than a brainwashing station for the Republican Party.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:57:51pm

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

RIP
Veteran actor Orson Bean, 91, struck and killed by vehicle in Venice, California

Already relatives added Orson Bean to the Clinton Body Count since he was a hard core conservative whose daughter married BreitFART (who they previously added to the body count)…

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SteelPH  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:58:12pm

re: #106 Citizen K

…What foreign policy?!

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William Lewis  Feb 8, 2020 • 1:58:22pm

re: #108 Eclectic Cyborg

Probably. Along with 50+% of everyone?

Baseball is a game of cheaters and they only care if it causes bad PR when caught.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:00:21pm

re: #110 jaunte

What is the “rat” accusation about?

There doesn’t appear to anything obvious to me. I dislike Pete, but this is not a good place.
More: A Russian outlet is ratfucking:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:01:43pm

re: #115 Sherlock Hound

There doesn’t appear to anything obvious to me. I dislike Pete, but this is not a good place.
More: A Russian outlet is ratfucking:

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This is what DSA is doing. They want to burn everything down.

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Citizen K  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:01:45pm

re: #113 SteelPH

…What foreign policy?!

Exactly my point.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:02:18pm

The election data war is ON. Yikes.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:04:30pm

re: #16 Dread Pirate

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It’s as if trump has never met anybody

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retired cynic  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:04:33pm

re: #106 Citizen K

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Have I missed something about Bernie actually putting forth something regarding foreign policy or something?

He voted against the Iraq War; hadn’t you heard? //

edited to add sarcasm

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retired cynic  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:05:18pm

re: #120 retired cynic

edited to add sarcasm

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gocart mozart  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:07:39pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:09:34pm

Damn, Kirk, Orson and now Robert Conrad.

RIP Jim West!

Say hi to Artie for us!

people.com

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Citizen K  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:11:06pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:12:23pm

re: #124 Joe Bacon 🌹

RIP Mr Conrad. Now I am very depressed. I am really starting to hate 2020.

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Citizen K  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:12:24pm

re: #123 gocart mozart

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Video

Oh wow. Did not expect to see Banjo Guy Ollie posted here. I mostly know him for his video game covers (which are just as amazing).

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William Lewis  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:12:26pm

re: #125 Citizen K

Putin doesn’t want a court that can stop his plans so Bernie doesn’t want it either.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:13:55pm

This guy seems like a real charmer.

If you go to his website, there’s a quiz you can take to see if you’re his Republican goddess.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:15:31pm

re: #129 Teddy’s Person

This guy seems like a real charmer.

If you go to his website, there’s a quiz you can take to see if you’re his Republican goddess.

“Are you super smart and well educated (but not indoctrinated)?”

Umm. Sir. I’ve got some uncomfortable news for you. That is literally your target audience, “indoctrinated”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:17:13pm

re: #129 Teddy’s Person

How can that NOT be a Poe?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:17:44pm

re: #129 Teddy’s Person

This guy seems like a real charmer.

If you go to his website, there’s a quiz you can take to see if you’re his Republican goddess.

How long until he gives up trying to find a woman who fits his criteria and goes incel?

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Teddy's Person  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:18:26pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

How can that NOT be a Poe?

We live in the era of Trump where batshit crazy is king.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:21:54pm

“I’m thinking of getting a pistol for self-defense, where did you get yours?

“T-rex.”

“T-rex?”

“Yeah, he’s a small-arms dealer.”

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:25:14pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

The un-parody-able have always been among us. It’s just that previously their behavior was limited to a local audience that either made excuses for the crazy or came to terms with the person being that way.

We’re just in an age where they have a global audience, which means both that you’re confronted with more people like this, but also that they get just enough positive reinforcement that they’ve no incentive to stop.

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gocart mozart  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:29:00pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:30:05pm

I need a laugh!

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gocart mozart  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:34:14pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:34:14pm
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mmmirele  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:34:27pm

re: #86 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Which is no longer feasible even for middle-class white people, due to the sharply rising price of college education and the lack of growth of income on the low end. Elite rich white men can still get their sons into the old school single-earner club, but that’s basically a status symbol now instead of the norm.

Even elite white guys are doing stupid shit to ensure their progeny’s future. This guy Douglas Hodge, who was the head of asset management fund Pimco until he retired in 2016, he was just sentenced to prison for nine months for his part in the tuition scandal.

Hodge paid bribes totaling $850,000 over nearly 11 years to get two of his children into Georgetown University and two others into the University of Southern California, prosecutors said.

cnbc.com

This is a guy who made more in a year (2014) than I would see in a dozen lifetimes. (That would be $45 million, according to Wikipedia.) But he still engaged in bribery to get his kids into Georgetown and USC. Probably because he didn’t want to spend a lot of money like some nouveau riche relative of mine by marriage did to get his kids into a prominent Texas university—by endowing a chair for the business school. Now Hodge is going to prison.

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gocart mozart  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:35:27pm
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jaunte  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:38:04pm
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:38:28pm

re: #136 gocart mozart

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I like equating it to Bill Clinton impeachment. A true apples to apples comparison.

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Citizen K  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:40:20pm

If they’re falling for this shit, they’ll fall for whatever bullshit the Trumpers pull out in the General toward whatever ‘safer’ choice the Dems get.

As several have pointed out, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to not vote for Biden at this point. That they’re doing it on the basis of Trump’s Ukraine witch hunt is a horrific sign of things to come.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:41:23pm

re: #144 Citizen K

So in other words, Russias plan is working.

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Citizen K  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:43:14pm

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

So in other words, Russias plan is working.

Looks like, yep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:44:51pm

re: #139 Dread Pirate

Pompeo becomes first secretary of state in 27 years to visit Belarus, a country that one of his Republican predecessors called “the last true remaining dictatorship” in Europe.

Weird place.

People took to gathering in public and silently clapping as a form of protest.

So BIg Boss Mann Lukaschenka banned public clapping.

Then he gave a public speech and the audience just stood and watched in silence and did not know whether they were allowed to applaud or not…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:46:12pm

re: #144 Citizen K

As several have pointed out, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to not vote for Biden at this point. That they’re doing it on the basis of Trump’s Ukraine witch hunt is a horrific sign of things to come.

Remember, in the New Media Reality, a long history of public service is seen as a detriment, not an asset, as it can be selectively picked apart and attacked.

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unproven innocence  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:47:49pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 8, 2020 • 2:49:42pm

re: #149 unproven innocence

The same FBI who helped him out enormously by announcing an investigation into HRC the weekend before the election?

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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:02:09pm

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The same FBI who helped him out enormously by announcing an investigation into HRC the weekend before the election?

He doesn’t give loyalty.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:04:49pm

Getting Bernie robotexts now. Grrrrr.

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unproven innocence  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:05:33pm

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The same FBI who helped him out enormously by announcing an investigation into HRC the weekend before the election?

Yes, the same. Trump’s message seems to be “I am the law now. You want to follow the law? We’ll just see what happens.”

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:12:27pm

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember Rick Santorum discussing a similar theme: that America’s economic decline was based on moral decline and the disappearance of the single-earner nuclear family with the stay-at-home mom.

Which is the same theme the conservative religious types have been harping about since the Puritan days. Any and all changes or challenges to their authority and ability to fleece is cast as causing moral decline and society losing God’s grace and thus subject to natural disasters, Indian attacks, or landings by pirates.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:13:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:36:11pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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I still say there was much too much hair, and he confirms that saying the hair looks good

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Interesting Times  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:40:13pm

re: #144 Citizen K

If they’re falling for this shit, they’ll fall for whatever bullshit the Trumpers pull out in the General toward whatever ‘safer’ choice the Dems get.

As several have pointed out, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to not vote for Biden at this point. That they’re doing it on the basis of Trump’s Ukraine witch hunt is a horrific sign of things to come.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:42:08pm

re: #140 mmmirele

Even elite white guys are doing stupid shit to ensure their progeny’s future. This guy Douglas Hodge, who was the head of asset management fund Pimco until he retired in 2016, he was just sentenced to prison for nine months for his part in the tuition scandal.

I swear, power rots your brain.

The minute people have money, they start revising their worldview to explain why it’s moral that they have money and somehow a sign of lack of virtue to not be earning. And since most people get their money not through achievement that have real-world application, like a science breakthrough or a product that actually makes shit better, but through financial fuckery, the incentive is to elevate financial fuckery that “creates growth” as the highest skill and as a virtue. Even the people that get wealthy through effort (like being an engineer or a physician) start developing explanations for how their peers-in-wealth aren’t lucky and/or specifically succeeding in a shitty, arbitrary system. In particular, “individualism” becomes cover for a kind of selective blindness in which the efforts of everyone in the pyramid of labor below the wealthy “individual” is not part of collective system that the wealthy “individual” derives value from (and thus is collectivized with). Acknowledging the worth of all labor is immoral, hence all the collectivism equals bolshevism equals death camps rhetoric floating about.

And at some point they have kids that a priori have all the advantages, so they have to concoct a justification system for those kids’ mediocrity not being mediocrity, and why their kids’ mediocrity is superior to, say, the hustle of any smart poor kid. So what consititutes “merit” in the supposed “meritocracy” has to be tweeked, and the systems that educate people have to be tweeked so that rabble with actual skills can’t compete with mediocre failsons.

And at some point you need a definition of “freedom” that includes a lot of unfreedom, because everybody else is going to complain, and argue, and protest, and vote, and believe in things that aren’t the inherent goodness and rightness of the existing order; which is a massive threat to the failsonocracy.

And at some point you need a definition of “virtue” that excuses whatever behavior power licenses, and this builds until you need a religion that says your wealth is good and not helping people with wealth is good, and an already-rich person is willing to build the Church and do the parody-of-hermeneutics to make Christ a capitalist and wealth a godly thing. Sort of like Pablo Escobar and his pet priests.

And at some point you just need to destroy the very idea of meaning itself, because any solid idea implicitly includes a standard, a judgement, suggesting that power does not translate to wisdom, or knowledge, or morality. Experts are threatening because the suggest that information and skill can disrupt power. Impartial arbiters are threatening because that means power has to answer to something. Definable standards themselves are threatening, since they mean the possibility of looking in the mirror and perceiving what one lacks.

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Targetpractice  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:47:25pm

re: #157 Interesting Times

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We’re dealing with an unhinged executive whose goons not only have absolute control over executive-level agencies, but also believe that A) his powers are limitless and above review and B) think anything he does to seek reelection is “in the national interest.” So no matter where you run, no matter which candidate you think is “safe,” he’s going to find some way to fuck with them.

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Chrysicat  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:56:53pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 8, 2020 • 3:58:44pm

re: #160 Chrysicat

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Fixed. Don’t know how the original got corrupted since i was pasting the direct Twitter embed link both times.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:01:09pm

re: #152 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Getting Bernie robotexts now. Grrrrr.

I sent him a text:

FOAD - I don’t appreciate unsolicited texts

For a response of:

I understand, have a nice rest of your day

Unexpected that this number was real; assuming not a bot programmed to respond to responses. Very generic response that could fit just about anything said.

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Chrysicat  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:01:40pm

[Yes, I did search my own hashtag]

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:03:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:05:03pm

re: #164 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Gone already it appears.

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Chrysicat  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:05:05pm

re: #164 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

OK, it’s just eating every tweet we try to embed the first time. Reloading to see if you also were able to get it to go, the second.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:06:47pm

re: #144 Citizen K

Assuming the claim is true ( and I am not sure that it is, about said voters), then perhaps they just needed a reason to move away from Biden, something about which they had felt but were conflicted?

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Chrysicat  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:07:17pm

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

Gone already it appears.

It’s there, go ahead and click the link.

Twitter’s just eating the reference unless we re-store their links today for some reason.

The retired paratrooper, in this case, posted his own, so no risk of a deletion unless Jack nukes it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:07:26pm

OT:

I am in the process of developing a podcast about living with ADD and ADHD. I am making good progress but lacking a name. I’ve been it calling the “Deliciously Distracted Podcast” to this point but perhaps some of you creative lizards can help me out here? Thanks in advance.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:11:24pm

re: #20 Barefoot Grin

Mainstream won’t avoid the issue. By Monday every Republican member of the House and Senate will be wearing poorly applied orange makeup, except Romney. And they’ll call Mitt a weirdo.

Remember that Twilight Zone episode where people who looked like swine were mocking the beautiful woman who believed that she was hideous? That’s what your comment brings to my mind.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:12:24pm

re: #99 Teddy’s Person

This one mad me laugh out loud.

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jeffreyw  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:12:31pm

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

OT:

I am in the process of developing a podcast about living with ADD and ADHD. I am making good progress but lacking a name. I’ve been it calling the “Deliciously Distracted Podcast” to this point but perhaps some of you creative lizards can help me out here? Thanks in advance.

“Deliciously Distracted Podcast Look! A doughnut! It has sprinkles!”

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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:14:14pm

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

I have a t-shirt that says “if I had a nickle for every time I got distracted…hey, ice cream.”

Not quite the same thing but close enough to be funny.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:14:20pm

And not to get super dark, but that all these powerful people end up hanging around with Jeffrey Epstein, or the equivalent, or otherwise get their dicks involved is not a coincidence.

Power justifying itself always seems cynical, but really it’s in the ambivalent realm we don’t have a word for where people construct a self-serving justification, then commit to it until they believe…which they do because they’re trying to both do what they want (knowing it’s wrong) and to feel comfortable doing it. So the cheat is to create a gang of people with authority who then use that authority to say the shitty thing you want to do is somehow okay.

Basically, the pattern of the Catholic Church—abusers forgiving abusers, but also an institution with enough abusers weaved in that there’s an available, inside-the-instituion “explanation” for why abuse isn’t really abuse and the broader mission of the church is so important and the specifics are less important and thus it’s okay to cover and dissemble even if you’re not a direct abuser—everywhere.

Powerful people not wanting to be called to account in general create both practical and intellectual hiding places for the most visceral and direct abuses of power. But also, abuse is the most direct and personal from of abuse of power, so it always fucking turns up when you have a groups of people who, whether they admit it or not, operate under the premise of “I get to do what I want, and it’s wrong to stop me.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:21:51pm

re: #164 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Updated above. Should work. Maybe.

Screenshot.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:21:59pm

I was not involved in knocking the tree over; nor did I dump the planter that I’m sitting in on the ground 5 seconds later.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:22:57pm

re: #176 Colère Tueur de Lapin

lol.

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BeachDem  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:23:26pm

re: #170 Patricia Kayden

Remember that Twilight Zone episode where people who looked like swine were mocking the beautiful woman who believed that she was hideous? That’s what your comment brings to my mind.

And a quote from the “leader” on that episode—truly creepy:

Blanket the Earth, and infiltrate and weaken! And now we know that there must be a single purpose, a single norm, a single approach, a single entity of peoples, a single virtue, a single morality, a single frame of reference, a single philosophy of government! We must cut out all that is different, like a cancerous growth! It is essential that in this society, that we not only HAVE a norm, but that we CONFORM to that norm! Differences weaken us! Variations destroy us! An incredible permissiveness to deviation from this norm is what has ended nations and brought them to their knees. Conformity we must worship and hold sacred! Conformity is the KEY to SURVIVAL!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:23:46pm

Wrong one.

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LadyBehir  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:30:57pm

re: #134 Barefoot Grin

There’s a gun shop near Orlando that has the “small arms” joke on their business cards.

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Targetpractice  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:32:47pm
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CarolJ  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:33:00pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:33:01pm

re: #134 Barefoot Grin

“I’m thinking of getting a pistol for self-defense, where did you get yours?

“T-rex.”

“T-rex?”

“Yeah, he’s a small-arms dealer.”

*WHACK!*

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:33:18pm

Donald Trump is the Robert Mugabe of white people.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:33:33pm

re: #178 BeachDem

Whoa. I hadn’t even really paid attention to that quote before. Pretty darn Orwellian.

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William Lewis  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:35:36pm

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

OT:

I am in the process of developing a podcast about living with ADD and ADHD. I am making good progress but lacking a name. I’ve been it calling the “Deliciously Distracted Podcast” to this point but perhaps some of you creative lizards can help me out here? Thanks in advance.

Advanced Distractions And Daydreams (AD&D natch :)

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BeachDem  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:37:11pm

re: #185 Patricia Kayden

Whoa. I hadn’t even really paid attention to that quote before. Pretty darn Orwellian.

I hadn’t either. Many of the other quotes from that episode (which is called “Eye of the Beholder”) were familiar, but that one I just found—creeped me out.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:39:01pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:48:12pm

re: #180 LadyBehir

There’s a gun shop near Orlando that has the “small arms” joke on their business cards.

I heard a different version on my BBC film review podcast. It involved a long build up about where John Wick and others got their guns. I hadn’t heard it before so I LOLed more than I should have.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:55:26pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:55:40pm

This doesn’t seem to be leveling off

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Dave In Austin  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:57:10pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 4:59:57pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Man, the ads on YouTube are suddenly totally out of control. They went from unobtrusive ads that you could manually skip to several minutes at a time of unskippable ads for shit nobody could possibly need.

This makes YouTube a real drag to use. And I’m not gonna pay $12 a month for it.

That’s the problem, you’re watching the wrong videos.

From YouTube’s so-called Adpocalypse, nearly every video on religion counter-apologetics is now demonitised. If one slips through and gets adverts, it only takes the Christians on the site a few minutes of complaints to get it demonitised.

(It’s for that reason that counter-apologists are now taking direct sponsorships from advertisers and inserting them in their videos, such as Jaclyn Glenn with Adam & Eve or Dashlane sponsoring several counter-apologists.)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:01:16pm

re: #192 Dave In Austin

For thew love of Dog, someone please stop Hillary

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:04:22pm

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The general creep of advertising on pay services is just capitalists extracting maximum profit from anything they can, nothing new.

Remember when HBO launched as a premium pay cable service with the promise they would never have adverts if you just ponied up a bit extra a month on your cable bill?

Hulu did the same thing when they launched Hulu+. Access to more programming and advert-free. The advert-free didn’t even last a year for us.

My wife and I are binge watching the original “Dark Shadows” television show on Hulu; at least they insert the adverts in the places they were supposed to be on the show. (The adverts might be more interesting if they ran the original spots, but you can’t have everything.)

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Dread Pirate  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:05:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:13:11pm

re: #158 The Ghost of a Flea

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And at some point you need a definition of “virtue” that excuses whatever behavior power licenses, and this builds until you need a religion that says your wealth is good and not helping people with wealth is good, and an already-rich person is willing to build the Church and do the parody-of-hermeneutics to make Christ a capitalist and wealth a godly thing. Sort of like Pablo Escobar and his pet priests.

See Ayn Rand’s book “The Virtues of Selfishness.”

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plansbandc  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:13:24pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:16:19pm

re: #196 Dread Pirate

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Legal advice from Posobiec, Cernovich, and Kirk, Limited Intelligence Partners.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:18:04pm

re: #199 Barefoot Grin

Legal advice from Posobiec, Cernovich, and Kirk, Limited Intelligence Partners.

Dewey, Cheatem & Howe.

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A Three Hour Tour  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:19:27pm

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The general creep of advertising on pay services is just capitalists extracting maximum profit from anything they can, nothing new.

Remember when HBO launched as a premium pay cable service with the promise they would never have adverts if you just ponied up a bit extra a month on your cable bill?

Hulu did the same thing when they launched Hulu+. Access to more programming and advert-free. The advert-free didn’t even last a year for us.

My wife and I are binge watching the original “Dark Shadows” television show on Hulu; at least they insert the adverts in the places they were supposed to be on the show. (The adverts might be more interesting if they ran the original spots, but you can’t have everything.)

Are you saying that you downgraded from the commercial-free Hulu-plus to the cheaper option with commercials, or that after a year you started getting commercials despite paying for the commercial-free option?

I’ve been on the commercial-free plan for years, and I don’t get are in my “Dark Shadows” viewing.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:20:14pm

re: #116 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is what DSA is doing. They want to burn everything down.

Maybe you should join the Nebraska DSA. /s

Here the DSA is making arguments for incrementalism, and working to flip the Unicameral. They are mostly staying out of the Presidential race.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:22:34pm

re: #201 A Three Hour Tour

Are you saying that you downgraded from the commercial-free Hulu-plus to the cheaper option with commercials, or that after a year you started getting commercials despite paying for the commercial-free option?

I’ve been on the commercial-free plan for years, and I don’t get are in my “Dark Shadows” viewing.

That appears to be what happened. They launched Hulu+ as a “no commercial” option, then floated “well if you really want a commercial-free” option you need to pay for Hulu doubleplusgood option.

I imagine they will eventually start inserting adverts in that too.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:23:00pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Man, the ads on YouTube are suddenly totally out of control. They went from unobtrusive ads that you could manually skip to several minutes at a time of unskippable ads for shit nobody could possibly need.

This makes YouTube a real drag to use. And I’m not gonna pay $12 a month for it.

I had to make sure AdBlocker is on when visiting Youtube, just for the reason you noted.

However, as Anymouse notes, there are quite a few demonetized videos on their, usual those which might be deemed offensive to someone.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:26:19pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹🎃

See Ayn Rand’s book “The Virtues of Selfishness.”

Absolutely, that’s what she was trying to do, and she was totally the kind of Dunning-Kruger person who refuses to see all the stuff she doesn’t understand, and would prefer to believe all the experts are wrong or evil.

But take Rand’s name, ideas and frame them in a Christian way and you get a much larger movement fucking up this country, because these people don’t want to be bold or stand up for an idea, they want to kill an existing concept, wear its skin, and get offended if you point out they’re acting like Ed fucking Gein.

(And it works)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:28:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:32:28pm

re: #79 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That attitude has not changed to this very day. The “prosperity gospel” even explicitly preaches that poor people are poor because they don’t give enough to God.

So, Christianity returning to its roots then. That was the same argument in the Middle Ages.

re: #174 The Ghost of a Flea

Basically, the pattern of the Catholic Church—abusers forgiving abusers, but also an institution with enough abusers weaved in that there’s an available, inside-the-instituion “explanation” for why abuse isn’t really abuse and the broader mission of the church is so important and the specifics are less important and thus it’s okay to cover and dissemble even if you’re not a direct abuser—everywhere.

All denominations do that. The Catholic Church gets the best press and so many Protestants hate them so they amplify that message.

reformation.com

The big list of news reports of every single denomination and independent church in the USA (the overwhelming majority of them Protestant) where pastors and priests were convicted of rape or sexual assault.

When you believe God is on your side, it is a short step to “Everything I do is holy.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:40:34pm

re: #174 The Ghost of a Flea

We would be naïve and dishonest were we to say this is a Roman Catholic problem and has nothing to do with us because we have married and female priests in our church. Sin and abusive behavior know no ecclesial or other boundaries.” Rt. Rev. William Persell, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, Good Friday Sermon, 2002.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:42:20pm

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:49:36pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:49:45pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

If it gets people saying “the original wasn’t that bad,” then they’ve admitted to the original being real.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:53:24pm

re: #207 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yes.

My point, though, is that this happens, regardless of the explanatory structure. The same pattern happens with other ones, because the underlying psychology of justifying one’s actions is always available.

Create a power structure and build into it that you’re not allowed to question people with more of the key virtue—more holiness, more wealth, more ideological rigor, more zeal—and there is a power dynamic to be exploited.

This is why I keep talking—sometimes jocularly, sometimes seriously—about the process of making concepts hollow. This process always involves the same breaking down of skepticism in general, but also the specific-to-a-system proposed checks and balances.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:58:30pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 5:59:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:01:36pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

I agree - the BW image looks like it was manipulated to exaggerate the darker areas. But I’m pretty sure the color images weren’t.

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jaunte  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:01:50pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:02:31pm

re: #214 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Dude, what the fuck?

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jaunte  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:02:39pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:04:13pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:05:38pm

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

Dude, what the fuck?

Official Trailer: The Crazies (1973)

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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:07:05pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:09:49pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Dude has nothing better to do on a Saturday night than kiss his own ass.

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uriel  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:16:53pm

re: #158 The Ghost of a Flea

Nicely put.

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gocart mozart  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:20:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:21:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:22:47pm

re: #158 The Ghost of a Flea

Exceptional comment. I wish I could convince you to put these thoughts into an LGF Page and make them more easily shareable!

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:23:22pm

re: #224 gocart mozart

Just on that response alone I would vote for her.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:25:50pm

re: #227 PhillyPretzel

Just on that response alone I would vote for her.

Honestly, at this point I would vote for Bernie Fucking Sanders if it was a choice between him and Donald J. Trump. I know, I know, heresy, but I hate Sanders less than I do the Republican autocrats who are systematically turning our republic into a dictatorship.

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gocart mozart  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:26:37pm
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makeitstop  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:27:38pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

I agree - the BW image looks like it was manipulated to exaggerate the darker areas. But I’m pretty sure the color images weren’t.

Tweaking the contrast a bit would emphasize the darker areas.

And the only color photo that was manipulated was TMZ’s ‘before’ shot. That was obvious.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:28:49pm

re: #228 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Honestly, at this point I would vote for Bernie Fucking Sanders if it was a choice between him and Donald J. Trump. I know, I know, heresy, but I hate Sanders less than I do the Republican autocrats who are systematically turning our republic into a dictatorship.

I will definitely vote for Sanders if he ends up as the nominee.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:30:24pm

I wouldn’t be surprised if the exaggerated B&W image of Trump’s fake tan was circulated by his cultists, to delegitimize the real images.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:31:07pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:33:12pm

re: #233 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Sigh. Another shitshow incoming.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:34:59pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

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It’s the fucking Yelp Presidency.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:35:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:36:56pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:41:02pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:44:04pm

LDS legislator in Utah (R, of course) wants all porn (print, video, &c) labelled for sale in Utah with a massive long unscientific statement. He claims he’s modeling it after California mandates to label toxic substances.

(Goes to Utah Outcasts, 14:35, caution for coarse language)

Youtube Video

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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:45:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:45:31pm

re: #239 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The YouTube link went wonky. Recycling the comment will sort of fix it.

No worries about adverts, atheists don’t get adverts.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:48:45pm
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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:51:54pm

re: #233 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

“In interviews, volunteers said they received little information at the training beyond a rough outline of how the tool is supposed to function. They also were unsure how the party plans to carry out its four-day early voting period”

I’m a bit torn on this. It seems a little late to be rolling some of this out, but it’s not like there’s a lot of “let’s get together and practice voting” that goes on in this country. But the truly annoying thing to me is did Democrats become suddenly technologically incompetent when the year rolled around? I’m not just talking about the deployment, I’m also talking about the users suddenly not being able to operate something more complicated than a pair of dice.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:54:27pm

Shot to death by a 13-to-15 year old neighbor

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:54:51pm

re: #233 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

How is this supposed to stop 4chan from rodent copulating the telephone lines in Nevada, like they did in Iowa?

The failure in Iowa was both the app and 4chan jamming Democratic phone lines trying to straighten it out.

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gocart mozart  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:55:45pm
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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:56:42pm

Worth the read: m.dailykos.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:58:01pm

re: #243 Belafon

“In interviews, volunteers said they received little information at the training beyond a rough outline of how the tool is supposed to function. They also were unsure how the party plans to carry out its four-day early voting period”

I’m a bit torn on this. It seems a little late to be rolling some of this out, but it’s not like there’s a lot of “let’s get together and practice voting” that goes on in this country. But the truly annoying thing to me is did Democrats become suddenly technologically incompetent when the year rolled around? I’m not just talking about the deployment, I’m also talking about the users suddenly not being able to operate something more complicated than a pair of dice.

All the technology required to run an effective caucus

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Charles Johnson  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:58:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:59:00pm

re: #243 Belafon

In our last caucus here (2016), “app” was not a word. Records were written, calls made to the Nebraska Democratic Party with the results, followed by the results being driven to the state party.

We don’t need instant result elections. We need accurate elections.

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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 6:59:04pm

re: #248 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

All the technology required to run an effective caucus

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As long as the phone number doesn’t get on 4-chan.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 7:00:55pm

re: #251 Belafon

As long as the phone number doesn’t get on 4-chan.

Ham radio for the win. /s

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Belafon  Feb 8, 2020 • 7:03:13pm

re: #250 Anymouse 🌹🎃

In our last caucus here (2016), “app” was not a word. Records were written, calls made to the Nebraska Democratic Party with the results, followed by the results being driven to the state party.

We don’t need instant result elections. We need accurate elections.

Totally agree. As a software engineer, I will say I prefer just having people counting.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 8, 2020 • 7:10:02pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 8, 2020 • 7:11:29pm

Coach (not a coach after he was fired over leading prayers with his high school team) Dave Daubenmire has settled on how much money he wants from the NFL, Jennifer Lopez, Shakira, and Pepsi for daring to broadcast such a “pornographic” show into his home and disturbing his younger son. (His older son was convicted of possession of kiddie porn.)

He claims “viewing what they put on the screen endangers his going to Heaven” and wants to claim the NFL is sending him to Hell in a courtroom .

(Discovery should be fun if it got that far: Prove there is a god, a heaven, or a hell.)

What he’s really looking for is “Christian oppressed” points.

He told Daily Caller he would be satisfied with a $867,000,000,000 (that’s trillion) settlement.

He’s looking for a lawyer to represent him, which he put out on his show.

wkyc.com (WKYC Channel 3, Cleveland)


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