Trump Says He Has “The Absolute Right” to Interfere in Long-Time Crony Roger Stone’s Sentencing, as the Entire Prosecution Team Resigns

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Roger Stone (R) in one of his frequent appearances on Alex Jones' conspiracy show

The United States is having a real moment today. An ominous moment, fraught with disturbing portents.

Sounds dramatic, but let’s start with the most blatant example of corruption yet from the crime family in the White House — and their crony who leads the Department of Justice.

CREW Requests DOJ Records on Roger Stone’s Reduced Sentencing - CREW

On February 10, 2020, the Department of Justice recommended a seven to nine year sentence for Roger Stone on charges of obstructing  a congressional investigation, making false statements to Congress, and witness tampering during the Russia investigation. Trump tweeted that the recommendation was “horrible and very unfair” and shortly after, a senior DOJ official intervened to overrule the front-line prosecutors and announced that they would be recommending a more lenient sentence. Four DOJ prosecutors have resigned from the case since the announcement. 

CREW has requested communications from the DOJ and the US Attorney’s office about Stone’s sentencing recommendation, including with President Trump and Attorney General Barr.

Trump was just on Fox News saying he didn’t speak to Barr, which means any day we’ll see the phone records showing he did. But he says he could if he wanted to. He has “the absolute right” to do this. But he didn’t. But he could.

But that isn’t all our very bad president is up to today. He also wants the military to take disciplinary action against Lt. Col. Vindman, who testified at his impeachment hearings in a way King Donald did not like. In other words, told the truth.

These two incidents demonstrate a president who believes he’s beyond the reach of the law, backed by a subservient political party that will make it so. And those definitely qualify as “disturbing portents.” We just took another big step toward dictatorship.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 2:57:41pm

Social media and reality TV have taken down our country.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2020 • 2:57:53pm

Fascists at the center, and fascists at the edges:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 2:58:04pm

It feels like years ago Romney voted to impeach. This is going to be a painful next nine months.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 2:58:54pm

re: #2 jaunte

Fascists at the center, and fascists at the edges:

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The courts are one of our last hopes.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 2:59:20pm

Hello dictatorship. We’ve arrived.

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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:00:18pm

re: #4 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The courts are one of our last hopes.

And considering the state of our judiciary, with Trump allowed to make so many appointments precisely because of the Senate, that’s a bleak fucking hope.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:01:20pm

Fuck trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:03:17pm

Has Susan Collins done her BS Concerned shit again?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:03:19pm

Doing my taxes
My adjusted gross income is down ~5% from last year
My standard deduction increased by ~1.67%
My taxable income is down ~7.9%
My tax liability has increased 1.1%
My taxes withheld increased 1.03%
My rebate increased 1.9%

So, basically my taxes went up

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:07:12pm

Seems every conversation devolves to outrage, sadness, despair, hopelessness and helplessness. Why? Because it’s true. Facts are facts.

Does anybody here have any real strategy they’d employ if they could make it happen?

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:08:15pm
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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:09:15pm

A reminder of how we got here:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:10:11pm

re: #4 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The courts are one of our last hopes.

And we’re quickly losing them too. In addition to what happened today remember that statement from a Judge like a week or so ago where he said he was going to give up on trying to enforce an order against the government because they had made clear they were just going to ignore it no matter what?

Forget slipperly slope, we’re practically off the edge of a fucking CLIFF here.

I really can’t put into words how fucking pissed off I am right now.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:10:54pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:11:13pm

re: #11 jaunte

Sure, we’ve got all the time in the world to wait for that to happen. Trump does things in a day, the Dems respond, if they respond at all, in a month or more. This isn’t working.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:11:52pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

Sure, we’ve got all the time in the world to wait for that to happen. Trump does things in a day, the Dems respond, if they respond at all, in a month or more. This isn’t working.

THIS. Start playing HARDBALL. NOW.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:12:21pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:12:57pm
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jaunte  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:13:08pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:14:25pm

re: #19 jaunte

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Loyalty to the constitution not to a Trump, you sick fuck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:14:54pm
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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:15:04pm

Man I hope we have enough prosecutors left over to go after Hunter Biden.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:15:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:17:27pm
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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:18:14pm

My super Tuesday vote will go to who ever pledges to go prosecute this current mob the hardest.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:18:14pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We had Elliott Richardson then. Now we have Bill Barr.

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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:18:54pm

re: #22 b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)

Man I hope we have enough prosecutors left over to go after Hunter Biden.

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Don’t worry, Barr’ll handle it his own damn self if he has to. Anything long as Donaldus Caesar First Of His Name demands it.

Right now the only fucking solace I have is that I fully expect someone is readying the knives to try and usurp the empire. But only that small solace. The rest of the GOP don’t seem to care long as they get to remain nominally in charge and get to keep kicking Dems in the dick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:20:56pm
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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:21:11pm

re: #12 Citizen K

If you pander to Fundies, and you throw some Jesus shit around, maybe pretend to give a shit about their imaginary persecution, the fact is they will believe anything. It’s their nature, just the same way snakes can’t help being snakes. They’ll ignore all the bad shit and will fuck a brother over because they feel they have someone in their fucked up values camp. Simple as that.

If Fox News threw out all the slick graphics and did random Caps and Comic Sans, wouldn’t make a damned bit of difference, they’d swallow and repeat every word of it as truth.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:22:31pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

That reminds me, I never got anything back from Twitter when I reported Lindsey Graham, DJT Jr, and Charlie Kirk for election interference last week.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:25:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:27:16pm

of course, we lizards already knew that

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:29:16pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Man, I could only dream to age as well. There’s something to be said for someone whose face isn’t full of stuff and still resembles their self.

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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:32:42pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:34:04pm

re: #25 b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)

My super Tuesday vote will go to who ever pledges to go prosecute this current mob the hardest.

I suspect that will be Warren.

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:36:19pm

I will vote for a Democrat who says they will nominate Kamala Harris as AG, and will support her in her efforts.

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:38:17pm

Trump’s latest rally stunts are designed to get you to surrender, Greg Sargent, WaPo

Whether by instinct or design, Trump and his propagandists plainly see their successful sowing of doubt in the integrity of our political system — their sowing of a kind of sneaking dread that Trump is successfully corrupting everything in sight — as being in some basic sense a positive for him.
But we don’t have to succumb to any of it.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:43:17pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

People don’t seem to understand the tentacles of fascism are more than concentration camps. In fact, even without the camps, all the mechanics were already in place. They are being put in place right now, every single day.

I wonder if the Germans that pretended they didn’t know what was going on at the time referred to all the doomsayers as snowflakes. When it came down to driving their neighbors from their homes, into ghettos and cattle cars, they still claimed they didn’t know. They accepted NO blame for their shitty, selfish decisions. Even afterwards, when it was all lain bare for them to see, nobody would accept it was by allowing fascists to come to power they were in any way responsible - no, they’d been duped. Oops, my bad. Sorry not sorry.

And here we are, 2020, and it’s down to the fascist GOP and the snowflakes. Again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:44:04pm

re: #38 PrairieQueen

Important difference: Hitler never had Facebook, Twitter and Fox News.

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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:44:15pm

re: #36 retired cynic

I will vote for a Democrat who says they will nominate Kamala Harris as AG, and will support her in her efforts.

Why would Kamala want the job? It’s a step down from Senator and in 4-6 yrs she’s out of a job. An AG is also supposed to be somewhat non-partisan and it’s better to run for President in 2028 as a Senator. There are dozens who can do the job well.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:45:44pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:46:19pm

re: #38 PrairieQueen

People don’t seem to understand the tentacles of fascism are more than concentration camps. In fact, even without the camps, all the mechanics were already in place. They are being put in place right now, every single day.

Trump will manufacture a Reichstag fire after the election.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:47:16pm

I see that Cheeto is demanding that the Army take disciplinary action against L/Col Vindman for failing to lie as directed. If this goes through, the new Democratic administration should reinstate Vindman, promote him to Major General, and put him in charge of a special task force with instructions to root out fundamentalist infiltrators and other right-wing saboteurs in the armed forces.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:48:24pm
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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:51:02pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

Warren needs a makeover if she ultimately becomes the nominee. Let me preface that by saying I’m a woman, don’t wish to bag on my sisters, but Appearance is a thing.

Warren comes across like the librarian that got 20 minutes’ warning before she had to be in public, that was cleaning out the garage an hour before, doesn’t own a decent pair of shoes, seldom looks in a mirror.

Do something with that hair. Wear some goddamned makeup. Look presidential. Most women look better for a job interview, unless that interview is for a park ranger. That isn’t holding women to a different standard, it’s just a fact.

A man - even an orange one - can put on a suit and already look 100% more electable. Warren needs to accept that and step up her game. Doesn’t mean it’s right or fair or anything else, but it has to happen. There’s a time to clean the garage and a time to get fancy. Election time falls under fancy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:52:44pm

I happen to think Adam Schiff would make a pretty kick ass AG.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:53:22pm
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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:58:20pm

re: #40 gocart mozart

Why would Kamala want the job? It’s a step down from Senator and in 4-6 yrs she’s out of a job. An AG is also supposed to be somewhat non-partisan and it’s better to run for President in 2028 as a Senator. There are dozens who can do the job well.

Because maybe she considers cleaning up the DOJ and going after Trump and his people a bigger job for the country? I’m not in her mind, obviously, but maybe she could think it’s her role.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 3:58:52pm

re: #47 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

And when they give the green light to treat him like a fucking North Korean defector, they’ll be heralded as the new age of truthtellers that are cutting away all those tedious little obstacles like expensive trials or witnesses or any other little thing we’ve allowed as due process in the previous two hundred plus years.

Our process has now been simplified to, “Off with their heads.”

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:06:23pm

We should make it clear to Trump that he should probably be in Russia on inauguration day if he wants to avoid being held accountable for the stuff that happened under his administration.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:07:58pm

re: #50 Belafon

We should make it clear to Trump that he should probably be in Russia on inauguration day if he wants to avoid being held accountable for the stuff that happened under his administration.

Wherever the helicopter lands after taking his big, fat, orange ass out of Washington there better be somebody waiting to serve him papers.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:09:14pm

re: #50 Belafon

At the rate we’re going, he’s the one going to be celebrating and not one of those gutless motherfuckers that enabled him is going to feel even the tiniest pang of guilt. Quite the opposite, in fact. They’ll be kicking back in the Wolf’s Lair, laughing their fat asses off.

We need a strategy to win.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:10:26pm

re: #52 PrairieQueen

Did you read #37?

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:11:27pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:13:13pm

re: #9 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Same here I also had a 1/2 Million $ Surgery that having paid all my co pays and deduction. I couldn’t use any of it. Wife and I basically got a little less back than we did the years before.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:13:41pm

stupidity is breeding faster than smarts.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:14:38pm

re: #56 Dread Pirate

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stupidity is breeding faster than smarts.

And then he submitted his budget.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:14:50pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

Exactly. The accelerated rate that propaganda spreads is choking the life out of our country.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:15:58pm

re: #56 Dread Pirate

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stupidity is breeding faster than smarts.

Christ

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:16:43pm

re: #53 Belafon

Yeah, but that’s not why I feel this way. I feel this way because I’m being realistic, not fatalistic. Evidence presents itself every day why it leans more and more in the GOP’s favor, and all the Left can do is be shocked and outraged.

I want to see a plan to defeat this, not more shock and outrage. Without a plan, all that’s left is what’s real and right now.

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:19:59pm

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

THIS. Start playing HARDBALL. NOW.

True, but it’s also true that Trump has absolute control of all federal civilian law enforcement. So the ability for the good guys to play hardball is severely limited.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:20:04pm

I thought when I got old, our country would continue on a fairly steady progressive path. I am more than stunned to be alive to see the American experiment end.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:20:12pm

re: #8 Joe Bacon 🌹

Has Susan Collins done her BS Concerned shit again?

I really and sincerely hope that she can’t go to a restaurant in Maine or Washington without being screamed at.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:20:41pm

re: #62 plansbandc

I thought when I got old, our country would continue on a fairly steady progressive path. I am more than stunned to be alive to see the American experiment end.

I was so optimistic after Obama won.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:21:07pm
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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:21:41pm

re: #62 plansbandc

I thought when I got old, our country would continue on a fairly steady progressive path. I am more than stunned to be alive to see the American experiment end.

The last few years have truly made me lose faith in the idea that the universal arc bends toward justice.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:26:40pm

re: #66 Citizen K

I think this has something to do with the severe depression I’m currently experiencing…….

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:27:30pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:27:53pm

So, I had a “Beyond Meat” cheeseburger. It was actually pretty good, but with all the other burger toppings I could hardly even taste the cheese. I really don’t see what the big deal is about a cheeseburger. Anyway I do recommend the “Beyond Meat”. It tastes like meat, has the mouth feel of meat, but just doesn’t smell like meat when it’s cooked.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:30:26pm

My Dream Team is Bloomberg and Bloomberg’s money chooses Michelle Obama as his running mate. I can almost taste the win.

Elizabeth Warren finds one helluva stylist. I mean like an intensive acting coach, world class stylist - maybe call JLo for a couple referrals, but up the presentation.

Buttrieg, sorry, America ain’t quite ready for you in numbers to defeat Trump. Keep working on that resume though.

Sanders retires to Oregon and takes up fly fishing in total silence, becomes the Invisible Mute Man.

So, so, not gonna happen. But if it was up to me and my life depended on winning, that would be my plan.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:30:46pm

re: #45 PrairieQueen

It may seem all backwards… but in the age of small screen entertainment (what we used to call “TV”), looks are so important.

It started with JFK and has continued since.

Yes, Warren needs to sacrifice some integrity for the shallow real of celebrity.

Yes, that seems so backwards.

We live in a backwards society.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:35:50pm

Shit dude, don’t hold back

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:36:15pm

re: #71 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

No, it shouldn’t matter at all, but it sure as hell does. And because it does, Warren needs to get on board. She isn’t running for head of the PTA, she’s running for POTUS. She needs to start looking the part. She’s a million miles from that and with every day she looks like she just got done cleaning the garage and embracing “looks don’t matter,” she’s basically fucking the rest of us by being less electable.

It’s a horse race. Look like a damned racehorse, FFS.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:37:21pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:37:31pm

re: #60 PrairieQueen

Yeah, but that’s not why I feel this way. I feel this way because I’m being realistic, not fatalistic. Evidence presents itself every day why it leans more and more in the GOP’s favor, and all the Left can do is be shocked and outraged.

I want to see a plan to defeat this, not more shock and outrage. Without a plan, all that’s left is what’s real and right now.

The last chance peaceful plan is for Democrats to win big in 2020. If Trump gets reelected we’re looking at a GOP dictatorship that will take military force to remove.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:38:54pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

Pssst - Military works for him, not a bunch of disenfranchised voters. Ask the North Koreans how that worked out for them.

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Chrysicat  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:42:24pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:43:21pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:44:37pm

re: #62 plansbandc

I thought when I got old, our country would continue on a fairly steady progressive path. I am more than stunned to be alive to see the American experiment end.

My plan is to retire in July of this year after putting it off a couple times for six months. Now I’m thinking that it may be a horrible mistake to retire in July and that I should wait until after the election. Every fiber of my being is saying ‘Fuck that shit. Retire.” If he wrecks everything, it won’t matter a hill of beans either way…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:45:36pm

re: #73 PrairieQueen

No, it shouldn’t matter at all, but it sure as hell does. And because it does, Warren needs to get on board. She isn’t running for head of the PTA, she’s running for POTUS. She needs to start looking the part. She’s a million miles from that and with every day she looks like she just got done cleaning the garage and embracing “looks don’t matter,” she’s basically fucking the rest of us by being less electable.

It’s a horse race. Look like a damned racehorse, FFS.

I think Warren is toast. If she does badly in her back yard tonight, where can she win? Amy running neck and neck with Pete for second.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:48:59pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

I hope Stone is sitting in a room somewhere with a bottle of booze going “SHUT THE FUCK UP!” “SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU MISERABLE BASTARD!” “SHUT THE FUCK UP!” “SHUT THE FUCK UP!” “SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU BLEEDING ASSHOLE!” “FOR GOD SAKE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP!”

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:50:16pm

re: #80 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Amy and Pete can’t beat Trump, even if they ran together. Too much new and different to win the electoral college system, and the Fundies will gun hard for them very loudly.

The Fundies would have no problem with a completely dysfunctional dumbass like Palin because she spoke their language, and was a nice accessory to a war hero with a long political career. But Amy won’t win them over in numbers and they’ll beat Pete with a Bible.

Nope.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:51:08pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:52:50pm

re: #83 Dread Pirate

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What the hell is gonna stir up here?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:54:28pm

re: #68 Patricia Kayden

@thehill
Majority of Americans say they would not vote for socialist presidential candidate

No shit.
It’s like how most of the country likes Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and the aspects of the ACA, but as soon as some wingnut cries “SOCIALISM” they’re all running for the pitchforks and torches

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:55:10pm

re: #82 PrairieQueen

Amy and Pete can’t beat Trump, even if they ran together. Too much new and different to win the electoral college system, and the Fundies will gun hard for them very loudly.

The Fundies would have no problem with a completely dysfunctional dumbass like Palin because she spoke their language, and was a nice accessory to a war hero with a long political career. But Amy won’t win them over in numbers and they’ll beat Pete with a Bible.

Nope.

I think any of the contenders can beat Trump. The white fundies will turn out to vote for Trump no matter what, but they aren’t more than about a quarter of the electorate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:55:53pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:56:49pm

re: #44 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I’m naming my new band “Inconvenient Coincidence.”

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bratwurst  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:57:03pm

That sound you are hearing now is Bernie bros composing screeds against Klobuchar’s record as a prosecutor.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:57:28pm

re: #86 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think any of the contenders can beat Trump. The white fundies will turn out to vote for Trump no matter what, but they aren’t more than about a quarter of the electorate.

I think our most important challenge is to GOTV.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 4:58:44pm

re: #90 Jebediah, RBG

I think our most important challenge is to GOTV.

If Democrats turn out and vote blue, the Democrat will win.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:00:42pm

re: #91 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yes - and we need to do it by big enough margins to make it un-stealable. I am optimistic about that because so many different demographics are getting fed up with the Orange Emperturd.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:00:50pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:00:53pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

No shit.
It’s like how most of the country likes Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and the aspects of the ACA, but as soon as some wingnut cries “SOCIALISM” they’re all running for the pitchforks and torches

I really wonder if this exact nonsense (i.e., anything even slightly left of center being demonized as socialism/communism) happened in Weimar Germany to help the Nazis get into power.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:01:39pm

Polls are closed.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:01:44pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:03:50pm

re: #88 Ace Rothstein

I’m naming my new band “Inconvenient Coincidence.”

Phew - I was worried you were gonna try and steal my new band’s name, “Crying Tough Guys Who Say Sir.”

Maybe we do a joint tour? (I like joints.)

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:04:11pm

re: #91 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If I was a Dem in politics I would never shut up about the parallels between what happened in Germany and what’s happening now. I would nail that shit on Trump’s back like a cross and never STFU about it. Every morning I’d wake up with a purpose, and that would be my Special Purpose.

Remember when fat fuck Rush wouldn’t shut up about the Clinton conspiracies and made a career of it? Yeah, that would be me and the Trump administration. Rude af and never shut up.

Seems/ed to work.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:04:23pm

re: #87 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Yay Amy!

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Yay Yang dropping out!

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:04:30pm
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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:05:45pm

re: #64 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I was so optimistic after Obama won.

The fault was in thinking that racism was over. The fault now is in thinking they have won.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:05:50pm
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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:06:21pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

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And the Berners have taken over the thread, begging Yang to come over to the Bernside.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:07:47pm

re: #98 PrairieQueen

But with more boobs. //

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:08:09pm

re: #101 Belafon

The fault was in thinking that racism was over. The fault now is in thinking they have won.

We all knew within seconds of Obama’s election that racism wasn’t over.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:09:15pm

re: #105 stpaulbear

It never crossed my mind for one second. In fact, I knew what was coming when he was elected.

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:09:55pm

re: #102 Dread Pirate

I think it’s time for some constructive military insubordination. E.g., a memo (or even a tweet) from the Joint Chiefs — “CinC needs to fuck off with this illegal retaliation shit”.

Have a drill sergeant spice the language up for final release.

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Chrysicat  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:11:30pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

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Chrysicat  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:12:11pm

re: #108 Chrysicat

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Fixed the tweet.

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:14:24pm

re: #108 Chrysicat

I can’t take a brokered D convention this year. The excess drama would finish me off.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:14:53pm

re: #107 EPR-radar

Notice how the pearl clutchers shut up when their daddy uses bad language and bangs hookers, but are offended at anyone else’s fucking language and wandering dicks? It’s strange, that disconnect, all the shit they’ll overlook for a person they think loves them that doesn’t actually give a shit. Like people who don’t leave abusive relationships - a goddamned hostage situation where anything goes.

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aatharuv  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:17:01pm

re: #103 BeachDem

Yang got right at least part of the reason why people went over to the orange genius in the first place.

People don’t vote purely on economic and class issues, contra Bernie and Yang, but if you _also_ get the economics right, you can at least reduce the appeal of bigots of all stripes long enough for social justice to win.

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VegasGolfer  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:17:02pm

Between Yang fan and Bernie bros, dems are fucked and trump will probably win re-election 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

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Chrysicat  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:17:11pm

re: #100 Dread Pirate

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:17:57pm

If Klobuchar gets the nomination, the tiny-fingered vulgarian is toast. I live in a Houston suburb, and all the white women and a lot of the white men that traditionally vote Republican, but are not wingnuts and are disgusted by Trump, would vote for her easily. Beto almost won my county two years ago.

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:19:00pm

Holy craptastic…what the hell did I come home to?

I’m done with my on-call week but it looks like the country has gone to the dogs this afternoon.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:19:44pm

re: #116 mmmirele

Worse.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:20:30pm

JFC—O’Brien pushes Chris Stewart for ODNI

Anyone who would mention Chris Stewart and intelligence in the same sentence…

Chris Stewart, according to wiki—His time in Congress has been marked by his efforts to defund or repeal the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), his denial of climate change, and his vigorous defense of President Donald Trump.

He’s also Chair of the anti-socialism caucus (which I never knew existed until right now). Also—A July 2019 poll showed Stewart with the lowest approval rating of any Utah congressperson which makes him an ideal trump appointee.

We. Are. So. Fucked.

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Chrysicat  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:20:33pm

re: #116 mmmirele

Holy craptastic…what the hell did I come home to?

I’m done with my on-call week but it looks like the country has gone to the dogs this afternoon.

No offense, but the country’s been gone to the dogs for at the outside close to three years, at the inside since Monday previous.

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aatharuv  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:21:49pm

re: #115 Ace Rothstein

Klobuchar gives me the impression of being willing to throw punches where they’re needed. I need to look into Klobuchar more.

But I’ll gladly vote for ANY OF THEM. Including Bernie.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:21:55pm

re: #113 VegasGolfer

Between Yang fan and Bernie bros, dems are fucked and trump will probably win re-election 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

I don’t think so. I think that enough Democrats turn out to vote Trump out. No-one has an excuse this time that they didn’t think he could win or he would “shake thibgs up.” Just need about half the 2016 3rd party vote to come home.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:22:51pm

OT When I was going to work this morning at the train station there was one of Sen Sanders’ campaigners. One sign said, “There should be no billionaires.” I had to catch the next train so I did not see any more of the campaign materials. Since this what Sen Sanders thinks of rich people I am leaning toward Warren.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:23:00pm
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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:23:35pm

re: #80 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think Warren is toast. If she does badly in her back yard tonight, where can she win? Amy running neck and neck with Pete for second.

Yeah, if she does bad in a state that hates Massachusetts?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:23:56pm

re: #123 Dread Pirate

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Seems like time for the House Judiciary Committee to send her an invitation.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:24:12pm

re: #118 BeachDem

The very fact he is pro Trump and anti everything else might be his ascension from all that old baggage, no matter what he did before.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:25:28pm

re: #91 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Democrats turn out and vote blue, the Democrat will win.

Just like 2018.

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:25:47pm

Fuck Trump and his gang of thugs, toadies, lickspittles and thugs in all three branches of the Federal Government. With rusty backhoes. The depraved minions of the right wing noise machine and both-sides propaganda mill should fuck unbalanced heavy machinery.

Finally, let’s not forget tens of millions of pig-people in the US who puts these cretins in power as a pathological response to their own innumerable character flaws and personality disorders. May Satan call them home to Hell in a reverse Rapture.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:26:42pm

re: #124 Belafon

Yeah, if she does bad in a state that hates Massachusetts?

Where is Warren going to win?

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:28:03pm

re: #128 EPR-radar

Never happen. But let’s hope they have to read books written by scientists and other cruel shit and their local cable stops carrying Fox News. That would be hell on earth, a fate worse than death.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:29:02pm

re: #129 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Garden Club, PTA, and have her own 101 Uses for Baking Soda YouTube channel.

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:30:59pm

re: #130 PrairieQueen

Never happen. But let’s hope they have to read books written by scientists and other cruel shit and their local cable stops carrying Fox News. That would be hell on earth, a fate worse than death.

That’s the paradox, isn’t it? Fox News and hate radio must be ended, and the only apparent way to do that is via government censorship — a cure worse than the disease.

Even if the fairness doctrine could be reinstated, its enforcement would be corrupted by the GOP as their highest priority.

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aatharuv  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:31:19pm

re: #128 EPR-radar

If we GOTV, in a year, there are going to be millions of more Americans who had voted for Hillary in 2016. We need to win so that millions of more people are happily saying how they had always been Democrats, and so that enough people can be prosecuted so that “I was only following orders” is never an excuse*.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:31:21pm

re: #120 aatharuv

Klobuchar gives me the impression of being willing to throw punches where they’re needed. I need to look into Klobuchar more.

But I’ll gladly vote for ANY OF THEM. Including Bernie.

I remember that Amy got a little bit flustered by Brett Kavanaugh because she was trying to be somewhat polite. Hopefully she wouldn’t have that problem with Trump.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:32:37pm

re: #134 stpaulbear

YOU DRINK BEER, SENATOR??!!

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:33:27pm
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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:33:53pm

re: #108 Chrysicat

From balloon-juice.com:

Instead, a brokered convention is one where marginal candidates make deals with one of the delegate leaders and pledge their delegates to them. The second round of voting superdelegate release complicates this - in hindsight it might have been smart to make that the third round, since the second round would give candidates a chance to do some horse trading without the complication of 771 new votes.

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aatharuv  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:34:32pm

re: #134 stpaulbear

I hadn’t been paying much attention to Amy back then, given all of the Senators and governors in the race then.

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bratwurst  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:36:18pm

re: #134 stpaulbear

I remember that Amy got a little bit flustered by Brett Kavanaugh because she was trying to be somewhat polite. Hopefully she wouldn’t have that problem with Trump.

I don’t remember her being flustered at all…more taken aback that a grown man seeking to be a SCOTUS justice was throwing a tantrum.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:36:59pm

Bennet joins Yang in dropping out of race.

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:38:08pm

I’m still going around in circles on Twitter with Annie Lobert, the founder of “Hookers For Jesus,” which organization received a $500,000 plus grant from the government, when they were not one of the most qualified organizations.

reuters.com

Apparently they don’t have a PR person, because they have Annie here just slinging accusations left and right.

I am not an expert in this, not by any stretch of the imagination. But red flags are going up all over. And the money! OMG. When I volunteered for a non-profit, the amount of documentation we had to fork over to get a $20,000 grant was enormous, hundreds of pages. It just seems these people got a $500K grant and are going hogwild. And proselytizing.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:38:48pm

re: #80 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think Warren is toast. If she does badly in her back yard tonight, where can she win? Amy running neck and neck with Pete for second.

One thing to really like about Warren: If she does have to drop out, you know she’ll continue to be committed and enthusiastic and joyful about supporting whoever becomes the democratic candidate. Hopefully Yang can do this too rather than disappear.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:39:35pm

re: #142 stpaulbear

No question.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:41:10pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:41:25pm

We can do all of the guessing in the world but the big question remains: How to get everyone who can to vote. If that can be done then we can defeat DT.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:41:50pm

re: #139 bratwurst

I don’t remember her being flustered at all…more taken aback that a grown man seeking to be a SCOTUS justice was throwing a tantrum.

Jennifer Rubin, a conservative commentator for the Washington Post and a prominent critic of President Trump and the GOP, wrote a column later in the evening calling the exchange the “most telling moment” of a hearing in which a yelling, angry Kavanaugh appeared unable or unwilling to get out of attack mode.

“It was a moment of singular cruelty and disrespect,” Rubin said. “One saw a flash in the exchange with Klobuchar the same sense of entitlement, cruelty and lack of simple decency that Christine Blasey Ford allegedly experienced way back when, the memory seared in her brain of two obnoxious teens laughing at her ordeal.” Noting Kavanaugh’s apology, Rubin wrote: “The damage was done. The spontaneous reaction was the real one.”

minnpost.com

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:42:34pm

re: #135 Ace Rothstein

YOU DRINK BEER, SENATOR??!!

Yeah, that kind of threw her…Brett was a dick.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:42:56pm

re: #147 stpaulbear

Yeah, that kind of threw her…Brett was is a dick.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:44:34pm

re: #141 mmmirele

Can nonprofits pimp for religion? Seems like they do all the time, don’t they? Maybe I have nonprofit and charity mixed up, but it seems like some religion is always beating the downtrodden with the Bible so they can eat a bowl of soup or have a blanket or learn how to have clean drinking water. Gotta pray for it, chalk up another convert, then profess how blessed that poor bastard is now they’ve found religion on a full stomach…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:46:07pm

re: #149 PrairieQueen

Can nonprofits pimp for religion? Seems like they do all the time, don’t they? Maybe I have nonprofit and charity mixed up, but it seems like some religion is always beating the downtrodden with the Bible so they can eat a bowl of soup or have a blanket or learn how to have clean drinking water. Gotta pray for it, chalk up another convert, then profess how blessed that poor bastard is now they’ve found religion on a full stomach…

They aren’t supposed to get taxpayer money to proselytize.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:49:32pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:50:43pm

Bernie, Bloomberg, Biden, Pete and Amy, respectively, look like the contenders to me. Bernie has his base, Bloomberg has all the money, Biden has SC.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:54:47pm

re: #76 PrairieQueen

Pssst - Military works for him, not a bunch of disenfranchised voters. Ask the North Koreans how that worked out for them.

Others who were sure the local military worked for them: Nicolae Ceaușescu, Shah Reza Pahlavi, King Louis XVI.

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:55:20pm

re: #146 BeachDem

Jennifer Rubin, a conservative commentator for the Washington Post and a prominent critic of President Trump and the GOP, wrote a column later in the evening calling the exchange the “most telling moment” of a hearing in which a yelling, angry Kavanaugh appeared unable or unwilling to get out of attack mode.

“It was a moment of singular cruelty and disrespect,” Rubin said. “One saw a flash in the exchange with Klobuchar the same sense of entitlement, cruelty and lack of simple decency that Christine Blasey Ford allegedly experienced way back when, the memory seared in her brain of two obnoxious teens laughing at her ordeal.” Noting Kavanaugh’s apology, Rubin wrote: “The damage was done. The spontaneous reaction was the real one.”

minnpost.com

Kavanaugh’s defense via privileged outrage of his boozy and rapey life is a perfect model for the entire GOP.

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:58:05pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Others who were sure the local military worked for them: Nicolae Ceaușescu, Shah Reza Pahlavi, King Louis XVI.

Not to mention that if the GOP really gets their way with a rerun of 20th century fascism and the good guys win the resulting WWIII, the Washington War Crimes trials will not be kind to Republicans.

The GOP really is global menace. I still remember how outraged DarkFalcon would get when I busted out that line from time to time.

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:58:48pm

re: #149 PrairieQueen

Can nonprofits pimp for religion? Seems like they do all the time, don’t they? Maybe I have nonprofit and charity mixed up, but it seems like some religion is always beating the downtrodden with the Bible so they can eat a bowl of soup or have a blanket or learn how to have clean drinking water. Gotta pray for it, chalk up another convert, then profess how blessed that poor bastard is now they’ve found religion on a full stomach…

You can’t use program monies for overtly religious actions.

So, for example, it’s perfectly OK and laudable to run a non-profit that helps women get out of sex trafficking. What is illegal is forcing them to listen to sermons, engage in other religious activities (like prayer), forcing them go to only one church, forcing them to volunteer at only that one church and restricting their reading material based on religious beliefs.

There are quite a number of religious non-profits (Catholic Charities and Lutheran World Services comes to mind) which take government grants and generally provide their services in a secular manner. But these guys, their whole thing is religious from start to finish. That’s why Lobert is unwilling to share her manual. It’s probably chock-full of First Amendment violations from page one to the final page of the appendix.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:59:31pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

The fact that Romney feels he must or would like to participate in CPAC, which is basically a hate group/Fundie dream retreat, says just as much about Romney as it does CPAC.

He made one courageous decision, now it’s back to business as usual trying to stand shoulder to shoulder with the other assholes, except they threaten to play rough. Oh well. That’s your pack, Mitt. Love ‘em or leave ‘em.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 5:59:33pm

re: #66 Citizen K

I think all people of good faith were taught that justice would prevail. How tragic to find out we, and those who taught us, were wrong.

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thecommodore  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:01:05pm

re: #5 PrairieQueen

Hello dictatorship. We’ve arrived.

I have never been more afraid for this country before in my life.

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:02:47pm

re: #157 PrairieQueen

The fact that Romney feels he must or would like to participate in CPAC, which is basically a hate group/Fundie dream retreat, says just as much about Romney as it does CPAC.

He made one courageous decision, now it’s back to business as usual trying to stand shoulder to shoulder with the other assholes, except they threaten to play rough. Oh well. That’s your pack, Mitt. Love ‘em or leave ‘em.

Maybe he’s looking to get martyred…

The fact of the matter is that the marriage between the Mormons and the Religious Right is one of convenience. Evangelicals, if quizzed closely enough, will admit that they think Mormons are cultists. But the two groups will make common cause on things like anti-abortion laws and suppressing women’s rights. I’d personally like that facade to crack, and Romney still wanting to go to CPAC could help. Some people are just going to be stupid and call him names or worse.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:04:26pm

He’s amped up.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:04:43pm

re: #152 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Bernie, Bloomberg, Biden, Pete and Amy, respectively, look like the contenders to me. Bernie has his base, Bloomberg has all the money, Biden has SC.

My trepidation about Bernie becoming the candidate is that he doesn’t seem to give a shit about any of the downticket democratic candidates. I can see many of the Bernie followers voting for Bernie and then turning in their ballot without bothering to choose anyone else because those choices are unimportant.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:07:12pm

re: #155 EPR-radar

Not to mention that if the GOP really gets their way with a rerun of 20th century fascism and the good guys win the resulting WWIII, the Washington War Crimes trials will not be kind to Republicans.

The GOP really is global menace. I still remember how outraged DarkFalcon would get when I busted out that line from time to time.

I’ve suggested more than once that Lumpy, Rush, Alex Jones et al were auditioning for the Julius Streicher chair at the next big tribunal.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:07:17pm

re: #162 stpaulbear

My trepidation about Bernie becoming the candidate is that he doesn’t seem to give a shit about any of the downticket democratic candidates. I can see many of the Bernie followers voting for Bernie and then turning in their ballot without bothering to choose anyone else because those choices are unimportant.

But all the other Democrats will vote down ticket. Those few Bernie voters will act up whether Bernie is on the ticket or not.

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:07:24pm

re: #158 plansbandc

I think all people of good faith were taught that justice would prevail. How tragic to find out we, and those who taught us, were wrong.

We’re in the middle of a story that could go either way.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:07:51pm
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thecommodore  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:08:18pm

I really can’t say with any confidence that I know what could happen in the next few weeks or months. Are we headed for a dystopian nightmare? Are we already in one?

I really don’t know.

What I do know is that Laphroaig is calling my name…again.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:08:38pm

re: #165 EPR-radar

I fear we have forever gone the way of evil.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:09:15pm

re: #165 EPR-radar

We’re in the middle of a story that could go either way.

We have to fight fascism at home. At least we don’t have to storm the beaches of Normandy!

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:09:17pm

re: #160 mmmirele

He supports their bullshit or he wouldn’t be going. His appearance won’t further any cause but the GOPs. His martyrdom accomplishes nothing.

CPAC is the GOP’s pilgrimage to Mecca, but wholly nefarious. Unlike the pilgrimage to Mecca, anybody that desires to be part of CPAC is part of the collective darkness it represents.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:10:21pm

re: #168 plansbandc

I fear we have forever gone the way of evil.

Nothing is forever.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:11:06pm

re: #165 EPR-radar

We’re in the middle of a story that could go either way.

“If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:11:08pm

re: #168 plansbandc

I fear we have forever gone the way of evil.

2018 was a big step in the right direction. I refuse to give up before the 2020 election.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:11:46pm

60k karma! Thanks aatharuv!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:12:10pm

re: #171 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Nothing is forever.

But then came the Big Bang, and it turned out nothing WASN’T forever.

(Sorry, can’t help the jocularity. It keeps me sane.)

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:13:43pm

re: #164 NO SMOCKING GUN!

But all the other Democrats will vote down ticket. Those few Bernie voters will act up whether Bernie is on the ticket or not.

The key word there is “few”. A “few” voters have put us in a world of pain. It’s a horseshit time to be self centered.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:14:43pm

re: #157 PrairieQueen

The fact that Romney feels he must or would like to participate in CPAC, which is basically a hate group/Fundie dream retreat, says just as much about Romney as it does CPAC.

He made one courageous decision, now it’s back to business as usual trying to stand shoulder to shoulder with the other assholes, except they threaten to play rough. Oh well. That’s your pack, Mitt. Love ‘em or leave ‘em.

I can’t find anything about Romney wanting to attend CPAC—

Romney has not attended the annual event since (2013), and his plans for this year were not clear. A representative for Romney declined to comment Monday, and CPAC did not immediately respond to an inquiry from The Washington Post.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:17:13pm

re: #177 BeachDem

If he has no plans to go (again) that would be a lot more awesome than supporting that den of dicks.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:20:59pm

re: #178 PrairieQueen

If he has no plans to go (again) that would be a lot more awesome than supporting that den of dicks.

I just thought I was missing something, because I’d not heard anything about him wanting to go.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:22:15pm

re: #159 thecommodore

I have never been more afraid for this country before in my life.

I bet that’s what Republicans thought in late 2008.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:23:58pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:26:36pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

I’d also like to see the relevant state bar associations open disciplinary proceedings against all Trump/GOP lawyers who have lied to a tribunal or otherwise warrant discipline.

The impeachment trial alone should furnish a dozen or so cases in point.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:28:25pm

re: #160 mmmirele

Maybe he’s looking to get martyred…

The fact of the matter is that the marriage between the Mormons and the Religious Right is one of convenience. Evangelicals, if quizzed closely enough, will admit that they think Mormons are cultists. But the two groups will make common cause on things like anti-abortion laws and suppressing women’s rights. I’d personally like that facade to crack, and Romney still wanting to go to CPAC could help. Some people are just going to be stupid and call him names or worse.

It may crack when enough Mormons realize that Evangelicals are aiming for nothing less than total control, and making an alarming amount of progress toward it. They have to know that a revitalized secular society would be far more tolerant of Mormonism than a Dominionist dictatorship would be.

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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:29:49pm

So the erasure is essentially full on and hopeless for Warren at this point, is what I’m getting so far from NH, and we can only expect more of it until she drops out and all the news coverage beats up on her like they did Kamala when she dropped out.

Fun. Fantastic. Fucking hell.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:31:02pm

re: #179 BeachDem

Looks like he was there in 2014 & 2015, or at least made speeches on behalf of. Still hunting down each year after. He was a straw poll favorite multiple times, from what I have found thus far.

He was digging on that horseshit agenda up til the time he wasn’t, is for sure. I’m trying to find out the defining moment, if any, he distanced himself.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:32:17pm

re: #122 PhillyPretzel

OT When I was going to work this morning at the train station there was one of Sen Sanders’ campaigners. One sign said, “There should be no billionaires.” I had to catch the next train so I did not see any more of the campaign materials. Since this what Sen Sanders thinks of rich people I am leaning toward Warren.

I don’t have much problem with “there should be no billionaires.” Spending $10,000 a DAY, that one billion runs out pretty fast. Like over 270 years fast. Nobody needs a billion to live a very, very luxurious life. There are a lot of problems that could be addressed if a bunch of that idle, accumulated wealth were actually working for everybody’s benefit.
I do, however, have lots of other complaints about St. Bernie. I’ve been leaning Warrenward pretty much since the start - I believe she gives a genuine shit about poor people and, unlike bernie, has a clue about how to get things done. But if bernie gets the nomination, of course I will vote for him.

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VegasGolfer  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:34:12pm

re: #184 Citizen K

I’m watching the msnbc feed from earlier and they showed warrens remarks

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:35:00pm

re: #124 Belafon

Yeah, if she does bad in a state that hates Massachusetts?

Exactly. (As a born and raised Masshole, I have always had a bit of a grudge about people who move to NH for the low taxes, but commute to a job in MA)

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:41:57pm

I wish Amy had a little more zing, but JFC I’ll never have to worry about her interfering with the Justice Dept.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:42:51pm

re: #177 BeachDem

I can’t find anything about Romney wanting to attend CPAC—

Romney has not attended the annual event since (2013), and his plans for this year were not clear. A representative for Romney declined to comment Monday, and CPAC did not immediately respond to an inquiry from The Washington Post.

My guess is he’s been on their shitlist ever since losing to Obama but voting to remove Trump really amplified it. The modern conservative movement has one litmus test, how one feels about Trump.

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danarchy  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:44:17pm

re: #188 Jebediah, RBG

Exactly. (As a born and raised Masshole, I have always had a bit of a grudge about people who move to NH for the low taxes, but commute to a job in MA)

If you commute to MA for work you end up paying both MA income tax and NH property tax so all you are really avoiding is sales tax. And MA candidates have historically done quite well in NH. Dukakis, Kerry, Tsongas, Romney all won NH.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:44:42pm

re: #162 stpaulbear

I am convinced of that, too. One of the reasons I don’t want him as the nominee.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:46:17pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

But then came the Big Bang, and it turned out nothing WASN’T forever.

(Sorry, can’t help the jocularity. It keeps me sane.)

Ha! Good one!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:49:00pm

re: #192 Jebediah, RBG

I am convinced of that, too. One of the reasons I don’t want him as the nominee.

That’s been my worry from the get go. I can’t see him willing to share a stage with other candidates. Building up a strong legislative majority is never part of his stump. And for someone who runs on an ambitious platform, that stumps me. I really worry about how effective he’d be. Yeah some of the stuff is too radical but some of it needs to be done. Sanders has never struck me as someone who understands the legislative branch’s co role in implementing positive change.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:49:41pm

re: #191 danarchy

If you commute to MA for work you end up paying both MA income tax and NH property tax so all you are really avoiding is sales tax. And MA candidates have historically done quite well in NH. Dukakis, Kerry, Tsongas, Romney all won NH.

Maybe I have been gone too long to remember those points - I have been in Los Angeles since 1991.

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:53:53pm

re: #122 PhillyPretzel

OT When I was going to work this morning at the train station there was one of Sen Sanders’ campaigners. One sign said, “There should be no billionaires.” I had to catch the next train so I did not see any more of the campaign materials. Since this what Sen Sanders thinks of rich people I am leaning toward Warren.

I still like AOC’s way of putting it — every billionaire is a policy failure.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:56:13pm
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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:10:22pm

re: #185 PrairieQueen

Looks like he was there in 2014 & 2015, or at least made speeches on behalf of. Still hunting down each year after. He was a straw poll favorite multiple times, from what I have found thus far.

He was digging on that horseshit agenda up til the time he wasn’t, is for sure. I’m trying to find out the defining moment, if any, he distanced himself.

Well, from what I can find, the last time he spoke was 2013—don’t see him listed as a speaker on any CPACs since then.

The Utah senator appears to have last spoken at the event in 2013, in the wake of his failed presidential run. esquire.com

“He said he was going to be an extreme conservative, that he was the most conservative guy in the world, and when he came to CPAC, after 2012, he doesn’t want to have anything to do with us,” Schlapp said. Romney did return to CPAC in 2013 to give a speech…Romney has not attended the annual event since. washingtonpost.com

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unproven innocence  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:14:17pm

re: #38 PrairieQueen

[snip] I wonder if the Germans that pretended they didn’t know what was going on at the time referred to all the doomsayers as snowflakes. [\snip]

Some Germans who DID know what was going on at the time called themselves White Rose —which might be loosely translated as Snowflake.

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John Hughes  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:37:17am

re: #69 The Pie Overlord!

But what if it’s vegan cheese? Does that make it non-kosher again? Inquiring minds need to know.

(Innocent vegetables seethed in their mothers fake milk! An abomination!)


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