The Bob Cesca Podcast: Dixville Notch

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by The Miley Legal Group:

Dixville Notch — NSFW! Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; All about Donald Trump’s one billion dollar Death Star; The most extensive disinformation campaign in U.S. history; The Death Star is way worse than the NSA; Trump’s dictatorship fetish worsens; Trump wants the death penalty for drug dealers; Bill Barr accepting Rudy’s bogus conspiracy theories; Barr walks back Roger Stone’s sentencing request; Whiny white guys; More “headaches”; Trump’s electoral suicide by cutting Social Security; CPAC warns Romney; With music by Michael McDermott and Freekbass; and more!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:44:45pm

I really wish Warren was doing better. It’s very depressing. Bernie winning isn’t helping my mood either.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:48:50pm

Sorry about my mood. I’m an historian. I see no good it what is coming next. Sincerely hope I”m wrong.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:53:52pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

I really wish Warren was doing better. It’s very depressing. Bernie winning isn’t helping my mood either.

Bernie doesn’t uplift me at all. The other candidates even ones I dislike like Pete give me some hope.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:55:50pm

JFC this fucking evil moron

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:57:58pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:58:53pm

Every single thing he says is a lie.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:59:29pm

re: #4 The Pie Overlord!

JFC this fucking evil moron

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Destroying the DOJ’s independence while we argue if our nominee is pure enough. I just want this to end and for there to be consequences to this.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 11, 2020 • 6:59:50pm

re: #5 jaunte

He’s still obsessed with Hillary Clinton.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:00:47pm

re: #4 The Pie Overlord!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:01:45pm

Judge Jackson was approved by the Senate of a vote 97-0. Trump’s going to build her up as a “never Trumper judicial activist.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:02:37pm

It’s wrong of me to sort of want Bernie to get the nomination and lose to Trump just so his supporters will disappear into the fucking night. Sigh.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:03:27pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

He’s still obsessed with Hillary Clinton.

Because he knows this should be her presidency and his friends from Mar Al Lago to Moscow are why.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:04:20pm

re: #12 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He knows he really lost and had to cheat.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:05:00pm

I’m sure Putin has all the receipts.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:07:29pm

re: #11 GlutenFreeJesus

It’s wrong of me to sort of want Bernie to get the nomination and lose to Trump just so his supporters will disappear into the fucking night. Sigh.

I do want them to be proven wrong but I fear like Trumpers, they don’t take any objective reality of their guy seriously. The same kind of conspiracy driven narrative targets Trumpers also targets Bernie’s diehards. They claim the DNC rigged it for HRC ignoring that Obama had beaten Hillary in 2008.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:08:30pm

re: #11 GlutenFreeJesus

It’s wrong of me to sort of want Bernie to get the nomination and lose to Trump just so his supporters will disappear into the fucking night. Sigh.

I understand where you are coming from but we cannot afford that because if Trump is reelected there is no coming back. My guess is that if Trump is reelected, the GOP regains the House. Bernie’s supporters will always find someone else to blame.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:09:34pm

re: #14 jaunte

I’m sure Putin has all the receipts.

The longer this goes on, the more I think we might never know the full extent of just how much his campaign conspired with Russian operatives and what Trump and Putin talk about.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:11:15pm

re: #17 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Clear proof of illegitimacy would explain his performance in Helsinki.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:14:21pm

re: #18 jaunte

Clear proof of illegitimacy would explain his performance in Helsinki.

I mean damn. He says on camera that he takes Putin’s word on interference over the intel community. I can’t imagine how much mistrust he inspires among rank and file analysts.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:16:20pm

Not a runaway, from Daily Kos:

26.0% Sanders
24.0% Buttigieg
20.1% Klobuchar

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:17:10pm

For a man whose slogan was America first, his actions have made us a joke. I’ve been overseas twice since he’s won. I only opened my mouth about him if I had to. No one I talked to had anything positive to say. He’s like a cartoon.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:17:23pm
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aatharuv  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:17:30pm

re: #20 Belafon

So two Midwesterners were within a finger of Sanders performance literally next door.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:17:56pm

re: #20 Belafon

Not a runaway, from Daily Kos:

Pete might pull off the upset, which would be a bad loss for Bernie in a primary he won big in 2016.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:18:11pm

re: #19 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That part is no accident. They know what they are doing. They know it’s a great way to destroy democracy from the inside outward.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:18:38pm

re: #20 Belafon

Not a runaway, from Daily Kos:

This is gonna be a long run until Milwaukee. I’m interested in what happens in South Carolina and Nevada. Both are diverse and more representative of the base.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:19:24pm

Of note, Trump has been getting only 86% of the vote in the GOP primary. vox.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:20:32pm

re: #25 A Mom Anon

That part is no accident. They know what they are doing. They know it’s a great way to destroy democracy from the inside outward.

Yeah it’s just so insanely absurd. He talks about emulating China on drugs. When we’re in a lot of ways moving away from drugs as a crime but he knows what his base sees as drug dealers.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:21:35pm

Hypothetical time:

We are living in an extraordinary moment.

The machinery of a primary campaign is going to lumber on no matter what.

But given that all of the viable candidates (yes, even Bernie) are publicly agreed that the most important task at hand is defeating the Trump menace, here’s a thought experiment:

How might they work *together* even as the race drags on?

What kind of power might come from an agreement, maybe after we get past SC and NV, to take a day or two off campaigning, all of them together, and to sit down and all find common ground in talking to America about the threat it faces and the need for extraordinary unity?

What might that look and sound like? How might it reset the race? Or am I just dreaming here?

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:21:53pm

I still hope Warren gets the nom because all he has against her is this lame “Pocahontas” meme.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:22:37pm

re: #27 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Of note, Trump has been getting only 86% of the vote in the GOP primary. vox.com

Not quite LBJ barely beating Gene McCarthy but it does deny him some bragging. He’ll do it anyhow but it’s still good to see people voting against him in his own primary.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:24:51pm

re: #30 The Pie Overlord!

I still hope Warren gets the nom because all he has against her is this lame “Pocahontas” meme.

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He really is an ugly little man. His tweets will be studied in contrast with FDR’s fireside chats.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:25:47pm
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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:27:26pm

re: #27 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Of note, Trump has been getting only 86% of the vote in the GOP primary. vox.com

I believe several experts (538, maybe) have pinpointed 92% party support as the water line below which a (normal) candidate is in trouble.

If Trump is only holding 86%, that’s potentially significant.

And if anything, I think it underestimates what I call the “ex-factor”: how many moderates (*cough* educated suburban women *cough*) who were lifelong Republicans might have defected entirely from the party’s new direction? And how many were lukewarm 2016 Trump voters who won’t touch him in 2020?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:28:02pm

Big night for the culling
So, it’s Bennett, Yang, Patrick thus far?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:28:19pm

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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I just hope there are more George Marshalls among them than Douglas MacArthurs.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:29:13pm

re: #35 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Big night for the culling
So, it’s Bennett, Yang, Patrick thus far?

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Tulsi only poc left in the race. Ugh.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:32:15pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:32:25pm

Seriously, didn’t see Buttigieg holding this position. I know it’s so very early, but, I’m still surprised

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:32:31pm

re: #35 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Big night for the culling
So, it’s Bennett, Yang, Patrick thus far?

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So when is Tulsi going to get the message?

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:34:51pm

Tweet of the Day (yeah, it’s that kind of day)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:35:35pm

re: #37 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Tulsi only poc left in the race. Ugh.

I’m disappointed that Harris never took off. Ditto Booker and Castro.

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Cheechako  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:35:53pm

It would be interesting if Nancy stepped on trump’s dick by announcing the House would be moving ahead on the emoluments and tax evasion/money laundering investigations.

That would distract him for a day or two.

I’ve lost track, but shouldn’t some of the Court cases involving witness subpoenas be about finished?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:36:02pm

re: #40 BeachDem

So when is Tulsi going to get the message?

When she runs out of money.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:36:46pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

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And we are not even halfway into February yet.

2020 is going to be the most fucked up year of domestic happenings in America since the 1860’s.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:37:22pm

re: #30 The Pie Overlord!

I still hope Warren gets the nom because all he has against her is this lame “Pocahontas” meme.

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The Dems can turn “Pocahontas” back on them, by educating people that she was a real person who can reasonably be presented as a strong woman coping with a male dominated society. Btw, US Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) is a documented descendant of the real Pocahontas.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:39:11pm

Evil motherdaughterfucker.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:39:11pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Seriously, didn’t see Buttigieg holding this position. I know it’s so very early, but, I’m still surprised

I’m not that surprised anymore, simply because he seems like the product of a focus group

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:39:54pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Dems can turn “Pocahontas” back on them, by educating people that she was a real person who can reasonably be presented as a strong woman coping with a male dominated society. Btw, US Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) is a documented descendant of the real Pocahontas.

My wife is supposed to be as well. Her DNA test showed 100% European, but Pocahontas was 13 generations ago.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:40:45pm

re: #45 Florida Panhandler

And we are not even halfway into February yet.

2020 is going to be the most fucked up year of domestic happenings in America since the 1860’s.

Yeah, what really frightens me is that Trump’s “Proud Boys” faction is going to become even more overt in their violent actions.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:41:23pm

re: #47 The Pie Overlord!

Evil motherdaughterfucker.

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It’s very easy to imagine him stuffing himself with fast food as FNC plays in the background and he tweets off his rants as FNC tells him what to think.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:43:18pm

re: #50 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Yeah, what really frightens me is that Trump’s “Proud Boys” faction is going to become even more overt in their violent actions.

Welcome to Marching Season.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:44:48pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Old white liberal ladies LOVE him. They love him like they love gay white American Idol contestants. I’m not kidding.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:46:08pm

re: #42 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We are a very very racist and misogynist country. I’m not the least bit surprised.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:46:40pm

re: #49 NO SMOCKING GUN!

My wife is supposed to be as well. Her DNA test showed 100% European, but Pocahontas was 13 generations ago.

Oh 13 generations ago likely won’t show up in a conventional autosomal DNA test if it’s really distant like that. From what I recall nearly all of Pocahontas and Rolfe’s descendants are overwhelmingly of European heritage. Remember if she’s your wife’s 13th great grandparent, she has 8,191 others. Now there is inevitably what is called genetic pedigree collapse where you have common ancestors reappear. I haven’t discovered it in my own family but that’s because my regions aren’t as well documented as people who got to the US in colonial years.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:47:00pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

I’m not that surprised anymore, simply because he seems like the product of a focus group

I was thinking that loudly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:47:11pm

re: #54 plansbandc

We are a very very racist and misogynist country. I’m not the least bit surprised.

Yep.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:49:33pm

re: #50 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Yeah, what really frightens me is that Trump’s “Proud Boys” faction is going to become even more overt in their violent actions.

Watch clips out of Portland and it’s like I imagine what seeing the SA in action was like. For all their proclamation of hating identity politics, the PBs and MAGA are nothing but an identity political coalition.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:50:09pm

re: #54 plansbandc

We are a very very racist and misogynist country. I’m not the least bit surprised.

Out of the three, Harris was the only one who really surprised me when she dropped out that early.

And it is a damned shame that the biggest single factor on whether someone will make it to the first week of Primary Season is how big of a warchest they can accumulate.

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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:51:43pm

I give up trying to make sense of shit at this point.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:52:15pm
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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:52:43pm

re: #59 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Rich white male. I’m fucking sick to death of that being the true criteria for becoming President.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:53:05pm

re: #59 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Out of the three, Harris was the only one who really surprised me when she dropped out that early.

And it is a damned shame that the biggest single factor on whether someone will make it to the first week of Primary Season is how big of a warchest they can accumulate.

It’s a great argument for campaign finance reform. Fortune only rewards the big name and money.

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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:53:48pm

re: #63 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s a great argument for campaign finance reform. Fortune only rewards the big name and money.

And exactly why it’s likely never to happen especially in the wake of Citizen’s United.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:54:11pm

re: #40 BeachDem

So when is Tulsi going to get the message?

She is, mainly in the form of cash from Russia.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:54:37pm

My question, before I go to sleep, is what percentage of the vote is due to open primaries? Doesn’t seem like a real test. Night people.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:55:44pm

re: #60 Citizen K

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I give up trying to make sense of shit at this point.

Actually I really like Klobuchar on that point. Not dismissing Warren but Klobuchar did stand up to Kavanaugh in an impressive way. She’s not as zealous for reform as Elizabeth is but I like Amy. She reminds me a lot of many women I know.

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VegasGolfer  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:55:54pm

re: #44 NO SMOCKING GUN!

When she runs out of money.

Correction, rubles.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:56:30pm

re: #64 Citizen K

And exactly why it’s likely never to happen especially in the wake of Citizen’s United.

That’s why I’m mildly sympathetic to expanding SCOTUS.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:56:52pm

re: #64 Citizen K

And exactly why it’s likely never to happen especially in the wake of Citizen’s United.

Citizen’s United can be overturned — after all Brown v Board of Education overturned Plessy vs Ferguson. All we need is a Democratic President for the next 12 years and a Democratic Senate during that same time.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:57:52pm

re: #70 Hecuba’s daughter

Citizen’s United can be overturned — after all Brown v Board of Education overturned Plessy vs Ferguson. All we need is a Democratic President for the next 12 years and a Democratic Senate during that same time.

Yes it is possible to overturn this.

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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:58:45pm

re: #66 I Would Prefer Not To

My question, before I go to sleep, is what percentage of the vote is due to open primaries? Doesn’t seem like a real test. Night people.

The problem isn’t how representative NH is or not. The problem is that the media will treat it like it is, and that the narrative will coalesce into a self-fulfilling prophecy that might not make a campaign, but will absolutely break one.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 11, 2020 • 7:59:18pm

re: #66 I Would Prefer Not To

My question, before I go to sleep, is what percentage of the vote is due to open primaries? Doesn’t seem like a real test. Night people.

Listening to CNN, etc during voting, there were a lot of people changing their party affiliation to be able to vote in the primary according to pollwatchers. How many of those were Trump faithfuls attempting to game the vote totals is anyone’s guess though.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:00:31pm

Bernie projected winner on MSNBC

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:00:52pm

re: #69 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s why I’m mildly sympathetic to expanding SCOTUS.

I’m not — because eventually you end up in the same situation and it takes even longer to change the direction. But then IANAL, so maybe members of that profession should chime in on the topic.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:01:24pm

re: #74 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Bernie projected winner on MSNBC

Expected. I’m interested in the next two. These don’t tell us the full story yet.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:02:26pm

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m not — because eventually you end up in the same situation and it takes even longer to change the direction. But then IANAL, so maybe members of that profession should chime in on the topic.

I would support it, but it won’t happen anytime soon.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:03:57pm

All we can do it work with what we have. We will really be pushing getting people out to vote.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:04:59pm

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m not — because eventually you end up in the same situation and it takes even longer to change the direction. But then IANAL, so maybe members of that profession should chime in on the topic.

I think you’re forgetting I’ve worked in law. I’m not a lawyer but I am a trained paralegal. I’m mildly sympathetic for two reasons, the country has grown a lot bigger since the Court was last increased in size and two albeit very petty I do want some revenge for Garland. They robbed us of the more left leaning Court since Earl Warren retired 48 years prior.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:06:37pm

re: #77 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I would support it, but it won’t happen anytime soon.

Yeah as I said sympathetic to it, it’s not a realistic priority. That’s another reason why I’m not wanting an ideologue like Sanders as the nominee and potential president because so much of his stuff is going to be held up in court.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:08:12pm

re: #73 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Listening to CNN, etc during voting, there were a lot of people changing their party affiliation to be able to vote in the primary according to pollwatchers. How many of those were Trump faithfuls attempting to game the vote totals is anyone’s guess though.

According to the NH voter info, only undeclared voters could decide to vote in either primary. Changing party affiliation had to be done by October, 2019.

Can I vote in a primary if I am an undeclared voter?

Yes. An undeclared voter may vote in a state primary or a presidential primary. You will be required to choose either a Republican or Democratic ballot when you go to vote. The last day a registered voter can change their party affiliation before the 2020 presidential primary is October 25, 2019.

sos.nh.gov

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:08:42pm

re: #78 Belafon

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All we can do it work with what we have. We will really be pushing getting people out to vote.

Better than Iowa and we won’t have to hear the stupid “if they can’t run this, how will they run your health care?”

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:09:23pm

How many New Hampshire delegates are there?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:10:04pm

re: #80 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah as I said sympathetic to it, it’s not a realistic priority. That’s another reason why I’m not wanting an ideologue like Sanders as the nominee and potential president because so much of his stuff is going to be held up in court.

It won’t be, because it won’t even get through Congress.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:10:20pm

re: #83 Belafon

How many New Hampshire delegates are there?

Gotta be less than Iowa since Iowa I know has 5 cds and NH two.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:10:55pm

re: #83 Belafon

How many New Hampshire delegates are there?

24

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:11:01pm

re: #83 Belafon

How many New Hampshire delegates are there?

24

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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:12:50pm

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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I keep worrying that will be the ultimate step in this nightmareish dance and it would be enough to stop the fascist disaster? How would things get handed back to the civilians to form a Second Republic and could we ever get the apolitical military back?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:13:03pm

re: #84 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It won’t be, because it won’t even get through Congress.

Yeah it was a disaster for FDR and he had tons of political capital. I’m sympathetic in theory as I’m getting at. The problem really goes back to McConnell fucking this up four years ago.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:14:46pm
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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:15:26pm

re: #44 NO SMOCKING GUN!

When she Putin runs out of money.

Fixed that for you./////////

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:15:30pm

re: #88 William Lewis

I keep worrying that will be the ultimate step in this nightmareish dance and it would be enough to stop the fascist disaster? How would things get handed back to the civilians to form a Second Republic and could we ever get the apolitical military back?

The apolitical nature of the military has been under appreciated for years imo. That’s another thing Trump endangers by pardoning men like Eddie Gallagher.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:16:47pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:18:50pm

re: #88 William Lewis

I keep worrying that will be the ultimate step in this nightmareish dance and it would be enough to stop the fascist disaster? How would things get handed back to the civilians to form a Second Republic and could we ever get the apolitical military back?

Let’s beat Trump this year so we don’t have to think about such a dystopian nightmare

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:18:57pm

re: #90 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Which, even if some of them are people who might have otherwise voted Republican, is still a good thing. People who vote in primaries vote in the general, and it indicates the general totals will go up.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:19:32pm

re: #94 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Let’s beat Trump this year so we don’t have to think about such a dystopian nightmare

I’m thinking there are going to be a lot of post cards mailed to Democrats this year.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:21:27pm

A couple of days ago, someone at DK did an analysis of delegate distribution. It’s more complicated than just dividing by percentages. But it looks like, based on the table, that Bernie and Pete will take the same amount, and Amy could end up taking just one or two less. And you have to get to 15% in the Democratic contests to get any delegates.

dailykos.com

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:27:26pm

re: #40 BeachDem

So when is Tulsi going to get the message?

When Vladimir decides she is no longer useful as a tool?
/

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:28:53pm

re: #93 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think Bernie messed with the wrong union when his people tried to get canvassers into Culinary Union locations (I believe their break rooms?). The union is enormous (60,000) and hasn’t endorsed anyone. The action was presumptuous.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:33:54pm

re: #99 mmmirele

I think Bernie messed with the wrong union when his people tried to get canvassers into Culinary Union locations (I believe their break rooms?). The union is enormous (60,000) and hasn’t endorsed anyone. The action was presumptuous.

It would be ironic if the union vote was part of his undoing given he thinks he’s the only one who gets the working class.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:38:02pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:42:42pm

re: #101 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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I’d love for Weld to get some delegates and prevent Trump from being renominated unanimously because you know that would chap his ass.

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:43:58pm

re: #102 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’d love for Weld to get some delegates and prevent Trump from being renominated unanimously because you know that would chap his ass.

It was those buses of Massachusetts Democrats coming up to disrupt the NH Primary! All a HOAX!

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:44:28pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

I’m not that surprised anymore, simply because he seems like the product of a focus group

Buttigieg is what an old white Democrat thinks a young Democrat should look like: A friendly “young” guy who’s willing to tell them that they don’t have to change, he’s gonna keep things in their comfort zone.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:46:17pm
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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:47:48pm

Real conversation just now at casa ipsos:

Me: “They’re saying Deval Patrick will drop tomorrow.”

Mrs. I: “Drop what?”

Me: “Exactly”

Mrs. I: “Wait… he was running?”

Me: “Exactly”

(Wish us luck tomorrow night at the graduation performance of the standup comedy class we’ve been taking! Hope we’re funnier up there…)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:51:47pm

I’m not feeling very generous tonight.

Part of this country was willing to embrace fascism the moment civil rights legislation lightly bruised their colonialist way of operating. Ur fascist features are present in the rhetoric of American white supremacy, and thus have been with is since the founding of the nation.

When Reagan got away with Iran Contra, it damaged how this nation understood rule of law, replacing the objective “this illegal thing happening” with the subjective “I felt I wasn’t breaking the law even though I did, and this counts because conservative feelings are facts, and also morals.” And the 90s were just the inflation of the twin spheres of AM radio narcissistic groupthink and white evangelical cults of personality selling apocalypses and indulgences.

And bluntly…the War on Terror is the direct antecedent to the stupidness, cruelty, and gleeful abuse of power that we’re currently watching. Rule of law lost when matched up against American need to feel better through causing pain. The very concept of clearly defined opponents lost, too. Are we surprised that antisemitism is back, when all the tropes and myths of antisemitism got rolled out by paranoids rightists—clumsily marking out “Jews” and penciling in their target of the week, one of whom was “specific Jews who don’t really count as Jews”?

The first time a Sikh died in a revenge killing because Sunni Saudi Arabians blew up the World Trade Center, the stage was laid for this: the sadism has been disengaged from even rudimentarily making any fucking sense this whole time.

After decades of rangefinding, trying to get a socially acceptable tone and pitch with which to sell the same shit, enough cultural capital, political capital, and just plain money has been amassed to do what the authoritarians and racists have been toying with for half a century…or a century and a half if you’re unkind. And as I said, I am not feeling generous tonight.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:52:36pm

The case for Bernie Sanders, who could be the nominee. A pragmatic legislator who brings new voters into the tent, and has some good ideas! vox.com

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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:52:59pm

re: #100 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It would be ironic if the union vote was part of his undoing given he thinks he’s the only one who gets the working class.

Especially if they happen to be nonwhite working class?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:53:50pm

re: #109 William Lewis

Especially if they happen to be nonwhite working class?

Si

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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:54:24pm

re: #106 i(m)p(each)sos

Real conversation just now at casa ipsos:

Me: “They’re saying Deval Patrick will drop tomorrow.”

Mrs. I: “Drop what?”

Me: “Exactly”

Mrs. I: “Wait… he was running?”

Me: “Exactly”

(Wish us luck tomorrow night at the graduation performance of the standup comedy class we’ve been taking! Hope we’re funnier up there…)

Turn it into a riff on who’s on first… ;)

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:55:27pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

Decades of range-finding. Well put. As someone who was young during Nixon, and hated the bastard, I felt Reagan was worse, and Iran-Contra really infuriated me. Poppy Bush may have had some good points, but he knew right from wrong, and he (and Barr) covered that whole mess with a mass of manure. Yep. Range-finding. DT would be nothing without his enablers.

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thecommodore  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:55:50pm

re: #22 Belafon

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This will not age well.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:56:33pm

I want to say I’m voting for the Bern if it’s elected, but I’m not there yet. I feel like the US will blow up either way.

Heartfelt hope that the Bern is not the nominee.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:57:34pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m not feeling very generous tonight.

Part of this country was willing to embrace fascism the moment civil rights legislation lightly bruised their colonialist way of operating. Ur fascist features are present in the rhetoric of American white supremacy, and thus have been with is since the founding of the nation.

When Reagan got away with Iran Contra, it damaged how this nation understood rule of law, replacing the objective “this illegal thing happening” with the subjective “I felt I wasn’t breaking the law even though I did, and this counts because conservative feelings are facts, and also morals.” And the 90s were just the inflation of the twin spheres of AM radio narcissistic groupthink and white evangelical cults of personality selling apocalypses and indulgences.

And bluntly…the War on Terror is the direct antecedent to the stupidness, cruelty, and gleeful abuse of power that we’re currently watching. Rule of law lost when matched up against American need to feel better through causing pain. The very concept of clearly defined opponents lost, too. Are we surprised that antisemitism is back, when all the language of antisemitism got rolled out by paranoids rightists—clumsily marking out “Jews” and penciling in their target of the week, one of whom was “specific Jews who don’t really count as Jews”?

The first time a Sikh died in a revenge killing because Sunni Saudi Arabia blew up the World Trade Center, the stage was laid for this: the sadism has been disengaged from even rudimentarily making any fucking sense this whole time.

After decades of rangefinding, trying to get a socially acceptable tone and pitch with which to sell the same shit, enough cultural capital, political capital, and just plain money has been amassed to do what the authoritarians and racists have been toying with for half a century…or a century and a half if you’re unkind. And as I said, I am not feeling generous tonight.

The civil rights movement really did change how white Americans viewed social programs. It’s why as flawed as he was, I think LBJ doesn’t get enough credit in making the Democratic Party truly democratic for people of many backgrounds.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 11, 2020 • 8:59:41pm

re: #114 plansbandc

I want to say I’m voting for the Bern if it’s elected, but I’m not there yet. I feel like the US will blow up either way.

Heartfelt hope that the Bern is not the nominee.

I still have big issues with his ability to choose quality staffers and to bring downticket votes for D candidates.

But if he’s the nominee, I will crawl naked through broken glass mixed with raw sewage to support him in November.

It’s that important.

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Disloyal Archangel  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:01:28pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:02:32pm

re: #112 retired cynic

Decades of range-finding. Well put. As someone who was young during Nixon, and hated the bastard, I felt Reagan was worse, and Iran-Contra really infuriated me. Poppy Bush may have had some good points, but he knew right from wrong, and he (and Barr) covered that whole mess with a mass of manure. Yep. Range-finding. DT would be nothing without his enablers.

Nixon
Reagan
Bush I
Bush II
Trump
Quite a devolution in many ways. But you’re right. Bush I really fucked things by having Barr clean up Iran Contra. We saw during the impeachment trial that former Senator Warner wanted witnesses and I’ll point out another thing but he was against Oliver North in 1994 to the point he endorsed an independent when Ollie ran for senate here. In fact, I’d say John Warner is probably more respected among Virginia Democrats than Republicans.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:03:52pm

re: #117 Disloyal Archangel

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I hope we live to see him meltdown on election night.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:04:27pm

re: #119 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He might live until then.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:05:25pm

re: #113 thecommodore

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This will not age well.

Actually it’s about ethics in gaming journalism.

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Disloyal Archangel  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:05:42pm

A RawStory article about this points out that:

“The new flyer, a copy of which was obtained by The Nevada Independent, compares the positions on health care, “good jobs” and immigration of six Demoratic presidential hopefuls who have come to the union’s headquarters over the last two months to court its members. But the primary difference outlined in the document, which is being distributed in both English and Spanish, is in the candidates’ positions on health care, taking particular aim at the Vermont senator over his Medicare-for-all policy, which would establish a single-payer, government run health insurance system,” the publication reported.

“The union, considered an organizing behemoth in the Silver State, has been known to tip the scales in elections in the past. Though the 60,000-member union has not yet decided whether it will endorse in the Democratic presidential primary, the flyer appears to be part of a coordinated campaign ahead of Nevada’s Feb. 22 Democratic presidential primary and shows the union will not be sitting idly by, with or without an endorsement,” The Nevada Independent reported.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:06:23pm

re: #120 Ace Rothstein

He might live until then.

Gonna be a lot of angry tweets if he doesn’t get 500 million votes and 540 EVs.

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VaughnIAM  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:07:05pm

re: #66 I Would Prefer Not To

In 2016 there were 34 Open Primaries.
Clinton won 23 and Sanders won 11.
27 closed and Clinton won 23 of those.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:08:00pm

OMG!! hahahahaha!!

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:09:20pm

re: #122 Disloyal Archangel

As much as I don’t want Bernie to win, attacks like that are not helpful. If someone had an actual plan that to medicare for all and would immediately shift all health insurance workers to equivalent jobs, or would create great and affordable private healthcare for everyone, would end everyone’s favorite current healthcare, and we would be better off for it. Saying he’s going to end their healthcare makes it impossible to make any changes.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:10:02pm

re: #113 thecommodore

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This will not age well.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:11:14pm

re: #114 plansbandc

re: #116 i(m)p(each)sos

If Bernie does in fact end up being the Democratic nominee, I will of course vote for him. There is simply no other alternative, and sitting out this November’s election is simply not an option.

Another four years of a Trump administration is unacceptable.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:13:06pm

re: #127 BeachDem

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That actually amazes me considering how famous he is. Pilot fish indeed.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:14:12pm

re: #128 Dr Lizardo

I get it, but if asshole Bern is President, the country is indeed lost.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:14:17pm

Considering all the Berners who’ve whined over the years that “Vote for our candidate or Trump wins!” amounted to “emotional blackmail,” perhaps I’ll return the favor and do a write-in vote since my being a white guy means I’m not in any danger from 4 more years of Trump.

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Before ya’ll start giving me the stink-eye, there’s no way I’m gonna be that petty.

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sagehen  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:14:34pm

re: #108 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The case for Bernie Sanders, who could be the nominee. A pragmatic legislator who brings new voters into the tent, and has some good ideas! vox.com

PRAGMATIC???!!??

The guy who thinks massive uprisings of the citizenry will persuade Congress to support his policy proposals??

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:16:32pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

Considering all the Berners who’ve whined over the years that “Vote for our candidate or Trump wins!” amounted to “emotional blackmail,” perhaps I’ll return the favor and do a write-in vote since my being a white guy means I’m not in any danger from 4 more years of Trump.

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Before ya’ll start giving me the stink-eye, there’s no way I’m gonna be that petty.

I’m not either but I will gladly call out Bernie if I feel he’s being destructive.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:17:59pm

They keep on saying he brings new voters in. I’m not seeing it. I’m seeing him struggle in places that know him very well. He should have won big tonight.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:18:09pm

re: #132 sagehen

PRAGMATIC???!!??

The guy who thinks massive uprisings of the citizenry will persuade Congress to support his policy proposals??

All I can say is GO, AMY!

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:20:12pm

re: #134 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They keep on saying he brings new voters in. I’m not seeing it. I’m seeing him struggle in places that know him very well. He should have won big tonight.

We’re not far enough in yet to really be accepting a front runner.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:21:04pm

re: #134 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They keep on saying he brings new voters in. I’m not seeing it. I’m seeing him struggle in places that know him very well. He should have won big tonight.

He’s actually being forced to run on the issues, rather than just being there as the anti-Hillary candidate. And the result we’re seeing is that his actual policy proposals scare the shit out of a lot of people.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:25:17pm

re: #136 Belafon

We’re not far enough in yet to really be accepting a front runner.

That’s really my point. These two states really aren’t telling us a ton.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:26:11pm

re: #135 BeachDem

All I can say is GO, AMY!

I’m leaning Amy’s way right now. I love Joe but Amy is growing on me daily.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:27:03pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

He’s actually being forced to run on the issues, rather than just being there as the anti-Hillary candidate. And the result we’re seeing is that his actual policy proposals scare the shit out of a lot of people.

Exactly. He’s got a dedicated base but I don’t think he has enough to win the nomination.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:34:53pm

Way I figure it, Bernie is gonna smash head-first into the guard rail in Nevada, since that will be the first closed primary and thus the first test of whether or not he’s got real support in the party itself.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:36:22pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Way I figure it, Bernie is gonna smash head-first into the guard rail in Nevada, since that will be the first closed primary and thus the first test of whether or not he’s got real support in the party itself.

It’s also fairly diverse.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:38:11pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Way I figure it, Bernie is gonna smash head-first into the guard rail in Nevada, since that will be the first closed primary and thus the first test of whether or not he’s got real support in the party itself.

Just wait for South Carolina. Bernie will get swamped there. With Biden sinking Amy may pull this one out over Pete.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:38:21pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Way I figure it, Bernie is gonna smash head-first into the guard rail in Nevada, since that will be the first closed primary and thus the first test of whether or not he’s got real support in the party itself.

It’s a caucus

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:39:24pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

It’s a caucus

Eh…wait…sonovabitch, it is. I saw the “closed” part and my brain skipped the second word.

…I need a vacation.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:44:17pm

The Q-inspired assassination of Frank Cali was the first rub-out of a made Gambino Family man in decades and the first of the actual boss since 1985. In recent years, the Gambinos have been very careful about high profile violence but the mob is still the mob. The extraordinary nature of the Cali hit and the stature of the victim make retaliation absolutely necessary to maintain credibility. I suspect the family will take its time, do its homework and then strike very hard. They have a habit of doing the unexpected, too, so events could become very interesting indeed.
I don’t think Q itself will be a target, partly because I agree with more informed analysts that Q is not one person, but a GRU working group. Mid level Q figures are likely targets, with perhaps several being hit at once in an audacious show of power, something tailored to make an impression on garden variety goobers rather than other mobsters. The Gambinos maintain contacts with Italian mobsters so I would not be surprised to see foreign participation in the Cali revenge hit(s).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 9:47:04pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

Eh…wait…sonovabitch, it is. I saw the “closed” part and my brain skipped the second word.

…I need a vacation.

But, in 2016 Sanders lost to Clinton. In spite of all the ratfucking

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:03:45pm

re: #143 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just wait for South Carolina. Bernie will get swamped there. With Biden sinking Amy may pull this one out over Pete.

Amy’s field rep is speaking at our breakfast on Friday. Will be interesting to hear what the strategy is going to be for SC—will keep you posted.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:05:19pm

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Q-inspired assassination of Frank Cali was the first rub-out of a made Gambino Family man in decades and the first of the actual boss since 1985. In recent years, the Gambinos have been very careful about high profile violence but the mob is still the mob. The extraordinary nature of the Cali hit and the stature of the victim make retaliation absolutely necessary to maintain credibility. I suspect the family will take its time, do its homework and then strike very hard. They have a habit of doing the unexpected, too, so events could become very interesting indeed.
I don’t think Q itself will be a target, partly because I agree with more informed analysts that Q is not one person, but a GRU working group. Mid level Q figures are likely targets, with perhaps several being hit at once in an audacious show of power, something tailored to make an impression on garden variety goobers rather than other mobsters. The Gambinos maintain contacts with Italian mobsters so I would not be surprised to see foreign participation in the Cali revenge hit(s).

If the Gambino Family takes out Putin…

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:10:21pm

re: #149 Joe Bacon 🌹

If the Gambino Family takes out Putin…

So would the film be made by Tarantino or Oliver Stone?

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:12:28pm

re: #150 Hecuba’s daughter

So would the film be made by Tarantino or Oliver Stone?

The Coen Brothers would be a refreshing alternative.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:17:44pm

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Personally, I think the latest incarnation of QAnon is the current owner of 8kun (formerly 8chan) and his son, most likely working together. There have been at least three “QAnons” since that particular bit of lunacy started up….it’s been duly noted there are dramatically different posting styles when it comes to the so-called “drops”.

He’s easy to find - a simple online search that takes about one minute would suffice and even though he’s currently overseas, he’s certainly not beyond the reach of the Gambino Family, not by a damn sight.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:18:19pm

re: #150 Hecuba’s daughter

So would the film be made by Tarantino or Oliver Stone?

Tarantino directing from a script written by him and Stone.

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vgranucci  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:18:48pm

re: #35 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Big night for the culling
So, it’s Bennett, Yang, Patrick thus far?

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Didn’t realize Bennett was still in.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:29:06pm

re: #154 vgranucci

Didn’t realize Bennett was still in.

Sad. Someone I really liked but he entered too late and never got any traction.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:37:38pm
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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:41:47pm

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I think the latest incarnation of QAnon is the current owner of 8kun (formerly 8chan) and his son, most likely working together. There have been at least three “QAnons” since that particular bit of lunacy started up….it’s been duly noted there are dramatically different posting styles when it comes to the so-called “drops”.

He’s easy to find - a simple online search that takes about one minute would suffice and even though he’s currently overseas, he’s certainly not beyond the reach of the Gambino Family, not by a damn sight.

The most hilarious Q explanation article I’ve come across:

JFK Jr. didn’t die! He runs QAnon! And he’s No. 1 Trump fan, omg!!!

washingtonpost.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:42:30pm

re: #154 vgranucci

Didn’t realize Bennett was still in.

Yeah, exactly. He got 4 votes in Iowa.
I mean, Gabbard got 16.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2020 • 10:51:53pm

re: #157 BeachDem

The most hilarious Q explanation article I’ve come across:

JFK Jr. didn’t die! He runs QAnon! And he’s No. 1 Trump fan, omg!!!

washingtonpost.com

It just reveals the depths of absolute insanity of the QAnon nutburgers.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 11, 2020 • 11:01:09pm

Yeah, Bloomberg’s attempts to apologize for Stop-And-Frisk are filled with deception and minimizing how fucking hard he bet on that shitty policy.

So fuck him and his policy so shitty Trump really digs it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2020 • 11:34:28pm

re: #160 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah, Bloomberg’s attempts to apologize for Stop-And-Frisk are filled with deception and minimizing how fucking hard he bet on that shitty policy.

So fuck him and his policy so shitty Trump really digs it.

I really don’t want our Presidential campaign come down to two billionaires from New York City…

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2020 • 11:37:44pm

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really don’t want our Presidential campaign come down to two billionaires from New York City…

As Bloomberg says — Who is the other billionaire?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2020 • 11:39:17pm

re: #162 Hecuba’s daughter

As Bloomberg says — Who is the other billionaire?

two purported billionaires

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2020 • 11:39:31pm

two rich white guys

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2020 • 11:40:23pm

Whoa, 130 K karma points even!

Thank you all!!!

I live for life’s little random milestones like this

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 12:43:57am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 1:41:01am

Hi.

This has been a really horrible day. [Trigger warning behind the privacy bar.]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 1:45:28am

That is some heavy stuff. Wishing you both all the best…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 1:46:56am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is some heavy stuff. Wishing you both all the best…

Thanks. This has been a long day (started at 7AM) and it’s not likely to end soon.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 1:53:43am

Sure, Jan.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 2:24:22am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 2:25:26am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 12, 2020 • 2:28:43am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 2:32:24am

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Memo to all career DOJ employees

This is not what you signed up for. The four prosecutors who bailed on the Stone case have shown the way. Report all instances of improper political influence and other misdeeds to the DOJ IG, who is required to protect your identity.

But we cannot promise that Rand Paul will not display your name on the Senate floor…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 2:39:51am

EXCLUSIVE: NeverTrump-Funded Phone Calls Push GOP-Leaning Independents to Vote in NH Dems Primary (Goes to New Hampshire Journal). Bill Kristol at work in New Hampshire:

GOP-leaning independent voters in New Hampshire are receiving phone calls and texts from anti-Trump Republicans urging them to cross the aisle and vote in the Democratic primary on Tuesday, NHJournal has learned. The message is for these unaffiliated voters, who can vote in either party’s primary, to vote for a “responsible and electable” Democratic alternative to Donald Trump.

National #NeverTrump leader Bill Kristol, founder of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine, confirmed to NHJournal that he is part of the effort, which involves tens of thousands of New Hampshire voter contacts and a six-figure budget.

“Yup. I’m happy to have joined with some others to help remind New Hampshire independents, who might be accustomed to voting in the Republican primary, that this year, they may be able to make more of a difference by voting for a responsible and electable candidate in the Democratic primary,” Kristol said.

The calls don’t mention any candidates by name or endorse any specific Democrats, instead making a case for supporting centrists in the all-important First in the Nation primary, as opposed to self-described democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders. The latest RealClearPolitics poll average gives Sanders a six-point lead in the Granite State.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 2:43:34am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹🎃

EXCLUSIVE: NeverTrump-Funded Phone Calls Push GOP-Leaning Independents to Vote in NH Dems Primary (Goes to New Hampshire Journal). Bill Kristol at work in New Hampshire:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 2:49:46am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Pretty much. “Vote for the centrist” from Kristol.

I was correct in my assessment of him that he’s no friend, and he’s just trying to distance himself from the Trumpster fire he helped create.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 12, 2020 • 2:50:59am

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 2:55:22am

Swiss people are outraged over their vaunted neutrality being a sham.

Swiss machines ‘used to spy on governments for decades’ (BBC)

US and German intelligence services secretly gathered the classified communications of governments for decades through secret control of an encryption company, reports say.

Swiss firm Crypto AG supplied encoding devices to more than 120 governments from the Cold War era up to the 2000s.

But the spies reportedly rigged the devices so they could crack the codes and read the messages.

They harvested secrets from countries including Iran, India and Pakistan.

The highly-classified programme between the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Germany’s BND Federal Intelligence Service has been detailed in reports by US newspaper the Washington Post, German broadcaster ZDF and Swiss channel SRF.

(more, with the history of the machine in question)

Basically, at the insistence of the CIA and BND, two different types of the same machine were produced: One with the backdoor, and one without. Those with the backdoor were sold to target countries under the guise that Switzerland is famously neutral, so it would be safe to buy the encryption devices from them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 2:59:24am

re: #179 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Swiss people are outraged over their vaunted neutrality being a sham.

militarily neutral…

Sweden was militarily neutral in WW2, but diplomatically and economically a supporter of Germany. Germans even recruited native Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Finns, Estonians and Belgians into its SS Wiking Division

Switzerland also engaged in extensive trade with Germany in WW2 (although they initially had little choice, being surrounded on all sides by Axis-controlled territory) until the USAF “accidentally” bombed the Swiss city of Schaffhausen, at which point the Swiss were advised to stop shipping goods to Germany or the USAF might find itself might “accidentally” bombing Basel…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 3:02:16am
What does the audio reveal?

In remarks to the Aspen Institute in Colorado on 5 February 2015, Mr Bloomberg is heard saying: “It’s controversial, but first thing is, all of your - 95% percent of your murders, murderers and murder victims, fit one M.O. [method of operation]

“You can just take the description, Xerox it and pass out to all the cops. They are male minorities, 15 to 25. That’s true in New York.

“It’s true in virtually every city. And that’s where the real crime is. You’ve got to get the guns out of the hands of the people that are getting killed.”

Bloomberg said in 2015 ‘all the crime’ is in minority areas (more at the BBC link)

I imagine that he’s not going to do well in the South Carolina Primary.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 12, 2020 • 3:04:19am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 3:10:33am

re: #182 Dave In Austin

we all know that he likes soldiers who don’t get captured or wounded…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 3:21:41am

The Italian Parliament is voting whether to put the far-right leader of the League party on trial for unlawfully detaining migrants from Libya at sea.

bbc.com

An Italian Coast Guard ship intercepted a migrant boat, and allowed several people aboard for medical treatment. After inspection of the migrant boat found only one toilet and deplorable conditions, negotiations were conducted by the Catholic Church and others to resettle the migrants in other countries.

Apparently, the man in question (the Interior Minister, who is in charge of ports) refused to allow the migrant ship to land at a port until all the remaining migrants would be taken by other nations, holding the boat off-shore without authority for five days.

Prosecutors have opened an investigation.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 3:58:38am
JAKARTA AND WASHINGTON - In a decision officials say excludes children under 10 years of age, the Indonesian government announced Tuesday it was unwilling to bring home dozens of its citizens detained abroad on the suspicion of membership in the Islamic State (IS) terror group.

The ruling brings uncertainty to the fate of some 689 Indonesian men, women and children stranded in countries like Syria, Turkey and Afghanistan after leaving their homeland to join Islamic State. Officials say they have not discussed if the decision will affect the detainees’ citizenship status.

Mahfud MD, Indonesia’s coordinating minister for political, legal and security affairs, said the decision not to repatriate the former IS members was made during a meeting with President Joko Widodo, also known as Jokowi.

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Indonesia Not to Repatriate Citizens Linked to IS, Gives Exception to Minors (Voice of America)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:08:02am

Mobile Phone Tech Helps Track Coronavirus (VOA)

Researchers in the United Kingdom tracked tweets from UK subjects in Wuhan traveling to the UK, and were able to predict within a few kilometres where the first case in the United Kingdom would appear.

Using geotagged tweets, researchers were able to predict, within a few kilometers, where the first coronavirus case in the United Kingdom would appear.

“When we saw the map for the first time, I can tell you that we were kind of shocked,” Donal Bisanzio, senior epidemiologist at RTI International and co-author of the study, said.

The research is preliminary, and other experts have not yet reviewed it for accuracy. But it’s one example of how public health experts are using tracking data from mobile phones to respond to outbreaks like the coronavirus spreading from Wuhan, China.

Experts say privacy concerns are likely to take a back seat to public health when facing a virus that has sickened more than 40,000 people and killed more than 1,000.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:27:59am

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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What kind of stupid nickname will he give Pete.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:28:40am

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

LOL

This isn’t funny though. I can’t tell if it’s propaganda or my searchengine-fu is bad. It cites an AMA report that 30% of people with the novel coronavirus in Wuhan are healthcare workers, which would indicate a collapsing healthcare system in the city.

However, I can’t find that on the AMA’s Website.

China Struggles to Cope with Surging Numbers of Infected Coronavirus Patients (VOA)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:28:48am

re: #188 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

What kind of stupid nickname will he give Pete.

something vaguely homophobic, I am guessing

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:29:32am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

something vaguely homophobic, I am guessing

Something openly homophobic, I’m guessing.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:33:30am

This week in justice news:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:34:14am

Nate Silver’s model has the chances of no-one having a majority of delegates at the end of primary season rising to 33%. A worry I have is that if Bernie has a plurality of delegates going into the convention, but loses the nomination in a brokered convention, many of his supporters won’t vote for the nominee. I think we would be better off nominating Sanders if he is leading at the end of the primaries. projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:37:07am

This week in racist policing:

‘Old-boy-style racism’ by small-town cops leads to $600,000 payout to Portland man (Oregon Live)

At least when I called the sheriff tonight, I don’t have to worry about racist treatment. I feel for those who do and don’t know how to help.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:38:41am

re: #193 NO SMOCKING GUN!

One can hope that those candidates doing poorly will get the message that the most important thing in the election is not their various proposals, but to pry the fascist out of the White House, and drop out.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:39:21am

re: #132 sagehen

PRAGMATIC???!!??

The guy who thinks massive uprisings of the citizenry will persuade Congress to support his policy proposals??

That is his rhetoric. He actual record as a Senator involves voting for things that can actually pass.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:41:47am

Who could have guessed?

Government confirms post-Brexit EU trade barriers

Government cabinet minister Michael Gove has confirmed that trade barriers will be imposed between the UK and the EU post-Brexit, warning businesses to prepare for “significant change”.

[…]

Gove said it would be impossible to have frictionless trade with the continent and honour the government’s election promises at the same time. “The only way in which you could avoid those regulatory checks would be if you were to align with EU law, which would be undermining the basis on which the prime minister secured the mandate at the general election,” he said.

[…]

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:42:25am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Whoa, 130 K karma points even!

Thank you all!!!

I live for life’s little random milestones like this

I was pretty happy when I hit 60k yesterday.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:47:05am

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Hi.

This has been a really horrible day. [Trigger warning behind the privacy bar.]

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:47:15am

re: #193 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Nate Silver’s model has the chances of no-one having a majority of delegates at the end of primary season rising to 33%. A worry I have is that if Bernie has a plurality of delegates going into the convention, but loses the nomination in a brokered convention, many of his supporters won’t vote for the nominee. I think we would be better off nominating Sanders if he is leading at the end of the primaries. projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Bernie could lose the nomination by a landslide and his followers would, once again, claim the nomination was “stolen” from him and again, either refuse to vote or vote 3rd party just to teach the “Establishment” a lesson. Didn’t work so well the last time and it wont work well this time either.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:47:59am

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Something openly homophobic, I’m guessing.

This

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:49:41am

re: #130 plansbandc

If Bernie is elected President the Senate will suddenly and without warning flip a 180 from its present dereliction of conducting Constitutional duties and not pass anything he introduces, block all funding needed for any Executive Orders, and issue daily statements condemning the President.

In other words, gridlock. But gridlock is better than a fascist crime family running rampant throughout the government.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:50:16am

re: #199 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:52:21am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:54:18am

Who is this David French?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:56:23am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:56:26am

re: #200 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Bernie could lose the nomination by a landslide and his followers would, once again, claim the nomination was “stolen” from him and again, either refuse to vote or vote 3rd party just to teach the “Establishment” a lesson. Didn’t work so well the last time and it wont work well this time either.

And I know that sucks, but if Sanders draws people to vote democratic who otherwise wouldn’t, that is a reason to nominate him.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:59:15am

re: #202 Florida Panhandler

If Bernie is elected President the Senate will suddenly and without warning flip a 180 from its present dereliction of conducting Constitutional duties and not pass anything he introduces, block all funding needed for any Executive Orders, and issue daily statements condemning the President.

In other words, gridlock. But gridlock is better than a fascist crime family running rampant throughout the government.

Which is why we need Democratic control of the Senate as well.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2020 • 4:59:17am

This young lady’s legs are made of spaghetti.

Feng Hui Roller Freestyle

Seriously though, damn, if I tried that, I’d be in physical therapy for the next two years after breaking my legs in 26 places or something.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:03:07am

The European Parliament has voted to approve a trade deal between Vietnam and the EU - it’ll lift 99% of customs duties between both parties.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:03:34am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:06:22am

starherald.com

Columnist Cal Thomas this morning calls out Donald Trump for refusing to shake Nancy Pelosi’s hand at the National Prayer Breakfast.

He then indirectly criticised President Trump.

Who is this Cal Thomas? Last paragraph:

Perhaps it is time to suspend this annual event, or to hold it without this president attending if he can’t accept the nonpartisan theme that has been its tradition for nearly seven decades. He clearly missed a grand opportunity. It would have cost him nothing to shake Speaker Pelosi’s hand and in doing so he might have heaped coals of fire upon her head if she did not respond in kind.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:10:04am

re: #210 Dr Lizardo

The European Parliament has voted to approve a trade deal between Vietnam and the EU - it’ll lift 99% of customs duties between both parties.

The irony is for all Trump’s hate of the EU, his policies might result in them being stronger than us geopolitically. Trump is someone with selective grudges and selective favorites, almost always going back to his ego.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:11:08am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:12:27am

re: #211 Dr Lizardo

I guess the United Kingdom is going to miss out.

Apparently Brexit was about ethics in gaming blue passports.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:15:29am

re: #207 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And I know that sucks, but if Sanders draws people to vote democratic who otherwise wouldn’t, that is a reason to nominate him.

Ummm no. He either has the delegates to win the nomination or he doesn’t. If it’s the former, I will vote for him. If it’s the latter, to bad so bad bernie bro’s, get over it and vote blue, no matter who.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:18:33am

Local story:

My wife and I were in Safeway yesterday afternoon.

There were two new vending machines set up at the front of the store.

One sells Bitcoin (for insertion of currency).

The other allows you to pay for things from on-line store Amazon. Apparently you put things on your own wish list there, then use the vending machine to pay with currency (since most people here do not use credit cards, they cannot buy directly from Amazon).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:25:15am

I think I’m done for the night. I’m going to hit the rack. I’ve been up nearly twenty-four hours now.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:32:06am

re: #218 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:36:23am

re: #216 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Ummm no. He either has the delegates to win the nomination or he doesn’t. If it’s the former, I will vote for him. If it’s the latter, to bad so bad bernie bro’s, get over it and vote blue, no matter who.

It’s a clusterfuck. I really want to see how South Carolina and Nevada go though. Color me unimpressed that Bernie barely won New Hampshire that he won overwhelmingly last time tho.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:43:00am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The other [vending machine] allows you to pay for things from on-line store Amazon. Apparently you put things on your own wish list there, then use the vending machine to pay with currency (since most people here do not use credit cards, they cannot buy directly from Amazon).

I simply pay for my Amazon purchases by online bank transfer, but that does not seem to be a widely accepted thing in the ‘States.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:44:26am

re: #220 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s a clusterfuck. I really want to see how South Carolina and Nevada go though. Color me unimpressed that Bernie barely won New Hampshire that he won overwhelmingly last time tho.

Until Super Tuesday, I am just going to note the primary results and not even discuss them at any length. Everything else is just fodder for the 24/7 news cycle.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:46:41am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Until Super Tuesday, I am just going to note the primary results and not even discuss them at any length. Everything else is just fodder for the 24/7 news cycle.

Just said I was going to observe them. That’s all. Super Tuesday does matter here though.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:55:19am

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹🎃

It should be understood that this “Boomer is the same a the n-word” argument charlatans be met with a large folder containing pictures and eyewitness accounts of lynchings, slavery-related torture devices, slavery living conditions and work accounts, Jim Crow laws and statues real aloud, “whites only” restrooms and other facilities, Civil Rights era police assaults and mob beatings, and various other institutions where the N-word was used as a weapon of supremacy and elimination.

The only way to confront these white-entitlement clowns is to shove the truth in their face every time In a very obvious way.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:56:48am

Boomers out of town by sundown!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:58:43am

re: #224 Florida Panhandler

It should be understood that this “Boomer is the same a the n-word” argument charlatans be met with a large folder containing pictures and eyewitness accounts of lynchings, slavery-related torture devices, slavery living conditions and work accounts, Jim Crow laws and statues real aloud, “whites only” restrooms and other facilities, Civil Rights era police assaults and mob beatings, and various other institutions where the N-word was used as a weapon of supremacy and elimination.

The only way to confront these white-entitlement clowns is to shove the truth in their face every time In a very obvious way.

This. Yeah I find the anti boomer stuff tbh pretty juvenile because it ignores demographics and being mocked for your generation isn’t the same as being dehumanized racially. That said, it wasn’t minority boomers that gave us Trump. PoC of that generation favored Obama and Clinton at a much higher rate than my demo ever did.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 12, 2020 • 5:59:08am

re: #220 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s a clusterfuck. I really want to see how South Carolina and Nevada go though. Color me unimpressed that Bernie barely won New Hampshire that he won overwhelmingly last time tho.

Do to rat fucking by the repubs, Idaho will probably go to bernie again.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:03:07am

re: #227 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Do to rat fucking by the repubs, Idaho will probably go to bernie again.

Wouldn’t shock me with Trump encouraging it. I think Bernie is stronger in the GE than some give him credit for but I feel it’s a reflection of the times as much than him.

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jeffreyw  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:11:15am

Good morning!

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lizardofid  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:11:45am

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Boomers out of town by sundown!

All generations matter!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:13:08am

I am just a generational realist, read “The Belt Curve” and it will show that Boomers are simply genetically incapable of coping in post-modernist Internet-driven society…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:18:31am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am just a generational realist, read “The Belt Curve” and it will show that Boomers are simply genetically incapable of coping in post-modernist Internet-driven society…

The problem is lumping all boomers in the same boat. I have boomers who are my uncles and I have boomers who are my peers(first cousins). Millennials/Gen Z are the same way too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:20:03am

It’s not that I think the boomer generation is always right, I think it’s horseshit to dismiss them all as completely wrong. And if my generation is more socially liberal than not, it’s because we’re the most diverse generation that can vote.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:20:20am

re: #229 jeffreyw

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:22:07am

Greets from the NYC Metro area. The nation is in serious trouble and yet few are ready to acknowledge this fact - least of all the media.

They’re too focused on a horse race in NH that showed that Bernie is in real trouble despite spending the past four years campaigning to be the nominee of a party he still doesn’t register to vote for. Buttigieg essentially tied him for delegates, which is the only way Democrats count for nomination purposes - first to the magic number of delegates wins. That’s it.

Bernie is benefiting from fact that moderates are splitting their votes among three moderates who are all better than Bernie - Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Biden.

And Biden looks like a has been who’s doing a repeat of his past two attempts for the WH. He failed twice before, and this third time is no charm either. He’s going to be toast unless he pulls out a clear win in SC and Super Tuesday. I don’t think he’s going to be in the race past that.

Bernie’s in real trouble too, because he’s about to enter the part of the campaign where he got blown out in 2016. He’s not likely to do better now either.

And yet, the narrative is about giving Bernie a boost and that Klobuchar has come out of nowhere and Warren is toast.

The real story remains that Trumpworld has completely obliterated the nonpartisan DOJ and is actively interfering in investigations and cases dealing with Trump cronies to maximum effect. This is impeachable conduct and should be treated as such.

Recall that Bill Clinton speaking on the tarmac for a couple of minutes with the AG was enough to launch investigations into Hillary, and here we have Trump actively interfering and Barr doing Trump’s bidding to interfere in the sentencing of yet another Trump crony who was convicted.

Stone was convicted on all counts, and the maximum sentence could be 50 years. The DOJ already cut that down to an absurd 7-9 years before Trump jumped in saying that was too much and Barr interfered on Trump’s behalf to reduce that even further. It’s unprecedented interference and it’s done in the open, and yet instead of media outlets all leading with this news - and that the four lawyers for the DOJ running the case resigning in protest over the interference, they’re ignoring or minimizing it altogether.

The media has never been held to account for their failures in 2016, and it appears that they’re doubling down.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:23:39am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:24:19am

re: #232 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The problem is lumping all boomers in the same boat. I have boomers who are my uncles and I have boomers who are my peers(first cousins). Millennials/Gen Z are the same way too.

I find all the boomer stuff simply tiresome. (I am technically one as the “boomer” period eventually shifted enough to include my birth year.) And the various generational blame games are pretty tiresome as well. Meaningless beyond a few very vague generalities and ignorant of the vast spectrum of experience sets and backgrounds inherent in those groups which are probably much more indicative as a metric than the year of one’s birth.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:24:34am

re: #235 lawhawk

Greets from the NYC Metro area. The nation is in serious trouble and yet few are ready to acknowledge this fact - least of all the media.

They’re too focused on a horse race in NH that showed that Bernie is in real trouble despite spending the past four years campaigning to be the nominee of a party he still doesn’t register to vote for. Buttigieg essentially tied him for delegates, which is the only way Democrats count for nomination purposes - first to the magic number of delegates wins. That’s it.

Bernie is benefiting from fact that moderates are splitting their votes among three moderates who are all better than Bernie - Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Biden.

And Biden looks like a has been who’s doing a repeat of his past two attempts for the WH. He failed twice before, and this third time is no charm either. He’s going to be toast unless he pulls out a clear win in SC and Super Tuesday. I don’t think he’s going to be in the race past that.

Bernie’s in real trouble too, because he’s about to enter the part of the campaign where he got blown out in 2016. He’s not likely to do better now either.

And yet, the narrative is about giving Bernie a boost and that Klobuchar has come out of nowhere and Warren is toast.

The real story remains that Trumpworld has completely obliterated the nonpartisan DOJ and is actively interfering in investigations and cases dealing with Trump cronies to maximum effect. This is impeachable conduct and should be treated as such.

Recall that Bill Clinton speaking on the tarmac for a couple of minutes with the AG was enough to launch investigations into Hillary, and here we have Trump actively interfering and Barr doing Trump’s bidding to interfere in the sentencing of yet another Trump crony who was convicted.

Stone was convicted on all counts, and the maximum sentence could be 50 years. The DOJ already cut that down to an absurd 7-9 years before Trump jumped in saying that was too much and Barr interfered on Trump’s behalf to reduce that even further. It’s unprecedented interference and it’s done in the open, and yet instead of media outlets all leading with this news - and that the four lawyers for the DOJ running the case resigning in protest over the interference, they’re ignoring or minimizing it altogether.

The media has never been held to account for their failures in 2016, and it appears that they’re doubling down.

They’ve totally ignored that the people who have voted so far are collectively over 90% white. And yes the moderates are divided but our number Sanders but that’s ignored.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:25:52am

re: #237 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I find all the boomer stuff simply tiresome. (I am technically one as the “boomer” period eventually shifted enough to include my birth year.) And the various generational blame games are pretty tiresome as well. Meaningless beyond a few very vague generalities and ignorant of the vast spectrum of experience sets and backgrounds inherent in those groups which are probably much more indicative as a metric than the year of one’s birth.

As a millennial, I could not agree more. It’s frigging exhausting.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:27:13am

re: #239 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

As a millennial, I could not agree more. It’s frigging exhausting.

Yep. And “stop being an idiot” as a response to “OK Boomer” doesn’t seem to have the desired effect.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:29:00am

re: #232 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The problem is lumping all boomers in the same boat. I have boomers who are my uncles and I have boomers who are my peers(first cousins). Millennials/Gen Z are the same way too.

Some Liberals want to believe that if we offer Boomers better chances at education and housing, free Boomer phones, etc., that they can overcome their genetic shortcomings.

But in the end, it just buys their votes to expand these programs at the expense of hard-working Gen X-ers and Millennials, and makes them dependent on these programs and keeps them down on the Plantation.

//////////////////////// (in case you missed the last time around)

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:29:14am

re: #238 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Between Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Biden you account for more than 60% of voters in NH. Bernie got ~25%. Bernie benefits from a wide-open field. That’s what politicians are supposed to do, but Bernie’s not going to last long if the field coalesces quickly.

And I’m still wondering why candidates aren’t hitting him on his health concerns more. After all, he suffered a heart attack a few weeks ago and he looks absolutely haggard since. Look at the before/after photos. It’s stark. If I were any other candidate, I wouldn’t hold back on this. He’s not fully recovered no matter what his campaign says.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:29:47am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

militarily neutral…

Sweden was militarily neutral in WW2, but diplomatically and economically a supporter of Germany. Germans even recruited native Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Finns, Estonians and Belgians into its SS Wiking Division

Switzerland also engaged in extensive trade with Germany in WW2 (although they initially had little choice, being surrounded on all sides by Axis-controlled territory) until the USAF “accidentally” bombed the Swiss city of Schaffhausen, at which point the Swiss were advised to stop shipping goods to Germany or the USAF might find itself might “accidentally” bombing Basel…

Switzerland looted all the assets of Holocaust victims held in Swiss accounts by imposing impossible burdens of proof on heirs to produce “official death certificates” as if the victims died peacefully in bed of old age.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:35:32am

re: #242 lawhawk

Between Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Biden you account for more than 60% of voters in NH. Bernie got ~25%. Bernie benefits from a wide-open field. That’s what politicians are supposed to do, but Bernie’s not going to last long if the field coalesces quickly.

And I’m still wondering why candidates aren’t hitting him on his health concerns more. After all, he suffered a heart attack a few weeks ago and he looks absolutely haggard since. Look at the before/after photos. It’s stark. If I were any other candidate, I wouldn’t hold back on this. He’s not fully recovered no matter what his campaign says.

Indeed LH. He turns 80 next year and he’s had a heart attack. Someone needs to bring this up. We’ve seen Trump’s aging possibly impact him. Anyhow I was leaning Biden since he’s shown an ability to get shit done and Warren because I’m a reformist at heart but right now I lean Amy, I’m impressed with her ability to get shit done and she reminds me of the women I admire most in my life which gets to the former point.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:35:54am

re: #233 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m a young-ish boomer (1960), and I honestly find myself feeling more like I belong in GenX. Older boomers sometimes have the attitude that if they made it, anyone can unless they’re lazy. Forgetting all the social programs that helped them, that inflation and stagnant wages have take a huge toll on those who couldn’t get established before they took hold. Kinda pulling the treehouse ladder up after themselves and then bitching that no one comes to visit. And do not even get me started on the cost of college and trade school. That has helped destroy the middle class just as much as wage stagnation and the destruction of labor unions.

I’m not doing better than my parents. At all. They never worked to make sure any of us kids went to college, the three of us are the only ones in the family who never went to college. I was too busy surviving homelessness in high school to even consider secondary education. Investing in Amway was more important to them than their kids’ futures.

Every generation has its good and bad bits of history and actions. What I think is that older Boomers especially got very comfortable with the legacy of The Greatest Generation, and lost some of the vigilance that got us an interstate highway system, a functioning power grid that serves nearly every home, a public school system that at one time was one of the best in the world and other things that helped families succeed. Now those things are falling apart due to lack of maintenance and a systematic dismantling of protecting those things while conservative politicians have spent decades decrying them as socialist. And for some fucking stupid reason the average American bought into that crap.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:36:37am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹🎃

EXCLUSIVE: NeverTrump-Funded Phone Calls Push GOP-Leaning Independents to Vote in NH Dems Primary (Goes to New Hampshire Journal). Bill Kristol at work in New Hampshire:

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Kristol, Walsh, and Rubin have all said that no matter who it is, vote for the Democrat in the general. Which is exactly what we expect of Democrats and what we’re getting onto Bernie supporters for being unwilling to do. I would rather have the people who might prefer a centrist but are willing to vote for any Democrat over those backing a part-time Democrat but say they won’t vote for the Democrat unless it’s their candidate.

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VaughnIAM  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:36:41am

re: #124 VaughnIAM

re: #124 VaughnIAM

Bad! Bad! numbers for my reply to I Would Prefer Not To.
Dawned on me this morning that my numbers were nuts.
I had copied and pasted the Real Clear Politics page twice
and that was what I got my count from.

Closed Primary 10——— Clinton won 6
Open Primary 18——————— Clinton won 15

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:37:41am

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹🎃

This week in racist policing:

‘Old-boy-style racism’ by small-town cops leads to $600,000 payout to Portland man (Oregon Live)

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At least when I called the sheriff tonight, I don’t have to worry about racist treatment. I feel for those who do and don’t know how to help.

These are the “Constitutionalists” that the government is trying to defer to.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:39:22am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Some Liberals want to believe that if we offer Boomers better chances at education and housing, free Boomer phones, etc., that they can overcome their genetic shortcomings.

But in the end, it just buys their votes to expand these programs at the expense of hard-working Gen X-ers and Millennials, and makes them dependent on these programs and keeps them down on the Plantation.

//////////////////////// (in case you missed the last time around)

I meant the general condescending bullshit. Some of my favorite teachers and coaches were in fact boomers. Yeah they’re shaped by their era. I’m a millennial and the overreliance on tech and “ influencers” bothers the fuck outta me. What I’m trying to say there’s room for people of all generations and cultural backgrounds in my tent.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:42:18am

re: #245 A Mom Anon

I’m a young-ish boomer (1960), and I honestly find myself feeling more like I belong in GenX. Older boomers sometimes have the attitude that if they made it, anyone can unless they’re lazy. Forgetting all the social programs that helped them, that inflation and stagnant wages have take a huge toll on those who couldn’t get established before they took hold. Kinda pulling the treehouse ladder up after themselves and then bitching that no one comes to visit. And do not even get me started on the cost of college and trade school. That has helped destroy the middle class just as much as wage stagnation and the destruction of labor unions.

I’m not doing better than my parents. At all. They never worked to make sure any of us kids went to college, the three of us are the only ones in the family who never went to college. I was too busy surviving homelessness in high school to even consider secondary education. Investing in Amway was more important to them than their kids’ futures.

Every generation has its good and bad bits of history and actions. What I think is that older Boomers especially got very comfortable with the legacy of The Greatest Generation, and lost some of the vigilance that got us an interstate highway system, a functioning power grid that serves nearly every home, a public school system that at one time was one of the best in the world and other things that helped families succeed. Now those things are falling apart due to lack of maintenance and a systematic dismantling of protecting those things while conservative politicians have spent decades decrying them as socialist. And for some fucking stupid reason the average American bought into that crap.

Now that’s a fair critique but going “Ok boomer” is just stupid bs. It’s not the same as the n word. Not even in the same planet but it’s doing a lot of assuming. I will remind LGF that the biggest architect of Trump’s ugly policies is only 23 months older than I am. Javanka likewise aren’t far either.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:42:43am

re: #248 Belafon

These are the “Constitutionalism” that the government is trying to defer to.

Running afoul of local law enforcement is pretty much always more dangerous to you than the feds. Short responsibility chains that often lead to “friends” can pretty much empower a very toxic feeling of empowerment.

And assuming you survive the encounter getting any sort of justice via external law enforcement groups (state or federal) can be a long and tough process.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:42:53am

When democrats vote, democrats fucking win!

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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:43:09am

re: #207 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They’re already talking about it in one of my FB groups. Bernstans are horrible.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:44:11am

I know it’s only the middle of February but I just started Spring Cleaning. The HVAC guys are here to clean out the air ducts, a huge job as we have never had it done since moving into this house more than 30 years ago.

I got a 1/2 off coupon for air duct cleaning and decided to use it.

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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:45:23am

re: #209 Dr Lizardo

Mesmerizing.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:45:33am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:46:28am

Lre: #256 lawhawk

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Shades of Ashcroft and Gonzalez/Mukasey imo.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:47:46am

re: #254 The Pie Overlord!

I know it’s only the middle of February but I just started Spring Cleaning. The HVAC guys are here to clean out the air ducts, a huge job as we have never had it done since moving into this house more than 30 years ago.

I got a 1/2 off coupon for air duct cleaning and decided to use it.

Duct cleaning is a job that just sucks. I mean it really blows.

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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:48:18am

re: #229 jeffreyw

I look forward to your pics every morning. Love them. <3

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:48:46am

re: #252 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

When democrats vote, democrats fucking win!

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It’s more proof in the pudding that the legislature matters more than the ideology of the executive. Governor Northam on his own is the most conservative Democrat I’ve voted for to be governor but we’re getting this change because we understand how important the legislature is.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:49:09am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:49:56am

re: #245 A Mom Anon

I’m about the “youngest Boomer” (born 1964).

Both my parents came from blue-collar families where they were the first ones to be put through college. As a result they treasured education and did put some money aside to help all three of their children have a start towards paying for college as well. There was an attitude about “If you want to change something, work towards it.” and I don’t recall seeing any sense of entitlement from them. A degree of frugality since they’d been raised during the Depression and WW2.* And I’d say that all their children were raised with a fairly liberal hand towards making their own decisions about activities and various other things.

* - I think I inherited “packrat” behaviors from my mother. To often looking at salvage value of things and holding onto them rather than knowing they should be trashed or go to a thrift store as a donation. And don’t get me started on books. (Librarian genes on both sides of the family.)

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:50:52am

This is all he has on Warren, the lame “Pocahontas” slur.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:51:08am

re: #245 A Mom Anon

I’m a young-ish boomer (1960), and I honestly find myself feeling more like I belong in GenX. Older boomers sometimes have the attitude that if they made it, anyone can unless they’re lazy.

I am only a year younger, but I managed to get through (state) colleges with Social Security (my father died when I was young) and BEOG grants and was able graduate debt-free.

That certainly made a big difference in how my life and career progressed from there.

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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:51:16am

On the first day, God created the dog and said, “Sit all day by the door of your house and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past.
For this, I will give you a life span of twenty years.”
The dog said, “That’s a long time to be barking.
How about only ten years and I’ll give you back the other ten?”
And God saw it was good.

On the second day, God created the monkey and said,
“Entertain people, do tricks, and make them laugh.
For this, I’ll give you a twenty-year life span.”
The monkey said, “Monkey tricks for twenty years?
That’s a pretty long time to perform.
How about I give you back ten like the dog did?”
And God, again saw it was good.

On the third day, God created the cow and said,
“You must go into the field with the farmer all day long and suffer under the sun, have calves and give milk to support the farmer’s family.
For this, I will give you a life span of sixty years.”
The cow said, “That’s kind of a tough life you want me to live for sixty years. How about twenty and I’ll give back the other forty?”
And God agreed it was good.

On the fourth day, God created humans and said,
“Eat, sleep, play, marry and enjoy your life. For this, I’ll give you twenty years.”
But the human said, “Only twenty years?
Could you possibly give me my twenty, the forty the cow gave back,
the ten the monkey gave back,
and the ten the dog gave back; that makes eighty, okay?”
“Okay,” said God, “You asked for it.”

So that is why for our first twenty years, we eat, sleep, play and enjoy ourselves.
For the next forty years, we slave in the sun to support our family.
For the next ten years, we do monkey tricks to entertain the grandchildren. And for the last ten years, we sit on the front porch and bark at everyone.
Life has now been explained to you.

There is no need to thank me for this valuable information.
I’m doing it as a public service.
If you are looking for me I will be on the front porch.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:51:24am

re: #240 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Yep. And “stop being an idiot” as a response to “OK Boomer” doesn’t seem to have the desired effect.

I mean it cuts both ways. I want to smack the boomers who mock my generation for participation trophies when theirs received them too and distributed to us. I never cared about my trophies and I’m one sentimental asshole. Nah I cared about having fun on the mound and on the court even though I knew I wasn’t ever making even the freshman squad.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:51:25am

re: #256 lawhawk

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Sessions wasn’t hardly but in comparison it seems so

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:52:15am

re: #254 The Pie Overlord!

I know it’s only the middle of February but I just started Spring Cleaning. The HVAC guys are here to clean out the air ducts, a huge job as we have never had it done since moving into this house more than 30 years ago.

I got a 1/2 off coupon for air duct cleaning and decided to use it.

I started spring cleaning last week since I had an outbreak of clothes moths. Their secret base has been eliminated by the Death Star (vacuum - so maybe I need a Space Balls reference?) and now I am working on finishing off the stragglers. The local dry cleaning establishment got a nice chunk of business last week. I pay that bill tomorrow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:52:20am

re: #249 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I meant the general condescending bullshit. Some of my favorite teachers and coaches were in fact boomers. Yeah they’re shaped by their era. I’m a millennial and the overreliance on tech and “ influencers” bothers the fuck outta me. What I’m trying to say there’s room for people of all generations and cultural backgrounds in my tent.

For every boomer who wrecked things for generations to follow, you can certainly find one who tried to make things better…but wrecking shit is easier (and more obvious) than improving it.

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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:52:39am

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m pretty much the same age. It’s weird being on the tail end of the boomers. Honestly have more in common with gen x.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:52:58am

re: #260 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s more proof in the pudding that the legislature matters more than the ideology of the executive. Governor Northam on his own is the most conservative Democrat I’ve voted for to be governor but we’re getting this change because we understand how important the legislature is.

That music video posted yesterday…
Sorry don’t know the artist..orange hair (no really)
Was extraordinary

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:55:32am

re: #266 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean it cuts both ways. I want to smack the boomers who mock my generation for participation trophies when theirs received them too and distributed to us. I never cared about my trophies and I’m one sentimental asshole. Nah I cared about having fun on the mound and on the court even though I knew I wasn’t ever making even the freshman squad.

Well you don’t want to smack them for being a Boomer, you want to smack them for being an idiot.

I forget where I saw this one:
“Like most cheap things, idiots come in a vast array of shapes, sizes, and colors.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:55:33am

re: #263 The Pie Overlord!

“Every Democrat is running to raise taxes. She (Pocahontas) lied about her ethnicity, that was her problem.”

I understand she took a DNA test that revealed Native American descent.

The bigger part of the slur is that she somehow lied about her ethnicity to take advantage of programs set aside for minorities. Which is entirely a fiction.

But it is now RW Gospel and will not be dispelled by any portrayal of facts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:57:13am

re: #270 plansbandc

I’m pretty much the same age. It’s weird being on the tail end of the boomers. Honestly have more in common with gen x.

My ex-wife was ten years younger than me, my ex-GF (of many years) 19 years younger…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:58:36am

Good.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:58:45am

re: #272 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Well you don’t want to smack them for being a Boomer, you want to smack them for being an idiot.

I forget where I saw this one:
“Like most cheap things, idiots come in a vast an endless and constantly expanding array of shapes, sizes, and colors.”

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:59:30am

re: #261 Belafon

It takes 1,990+ to win. Buttigieg has 23. Bernie 21. Warren has 8, Klobuchar has 7, and Biden has 6.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:59:32am

re: #266 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean it cuts both ways. I want to smack the boomers who mock my generation for participation trophies when theirs received them too and distributed to us. I never cared about my trophies and I’m one sentimental asshole. Nah I cared about having fun on the mound and on the court even though I knew I wasn’t ever making even the freshman squad.

There’s players
And there’s badge collectors

Players play. Anywhere any time. For the love of it.
Badge collectors want to be ab!e to say got that, been there, done that

Players are still playing at whatever it is long after the badge collector is retired and moved on to the next shiny achievement collecting opportunity

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:01:30am

Post first coffee thought. From center moderates who simply believe in the separation of powers, children belong with parents even when caught here without papers, to all the way left-All you need to do to win is vote the primary, and vote the democrat winner in the general. Bt way of personal effort, it’s easy as can be.

The active among us maybe should focus on making the above happen. Maybe spend less time in the details of daily wrongdoing at the WH. Imho.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:01:31am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I understand she took a DNA test that revealed Native American descent.

The bigger part of the slur is that she somehow lied about her ethnicity to take advantage of programs set aside for minorities. Which is entirely a fiction.

But it is now RW Gospel and will not be dispelled by any portrayal of facts.

My DNA test showed that I have 1.6% “Eskimo/Inuit” ancestry. My sister took the same test and she also got the same percentage of “Eskimo/Inuit”

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:01:42am

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

For every boomer who wrecked things for generations to follow, you can certainly find one who tried to make things better…

Apparently I’m a Boomer
(I had to look it up, really)
Do i gotta go or can I stay?

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:04:03am

re: #277 lawhawk

It takes 1,990+ to win. Buttigieg has 23. Bernie 21. Warren has 8, Klobuchar has 7, and Biden has 6.

This is the first mile of a 26.2.
A little perspective from the media would be nice
But no. Horserace!!!!!!!

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:05:57am

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

My DNA test showed that I have 1.6% “Eskimo/Inuit” ancestry. My sister took the same test and she also got the same percentage of “Eskimo/Inuit”

Time to dump the leiderhosen and start eating blubber. ////

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:07:17am

re: #245 A Mom Anon

I’m a young-ish boomer (1960), and I honestly find myself feeling more like I belong in GenX. Older boomers sometimes have the attitude that if they made it, anyone can unless they’re lazy. Forgetting all the social programs that helped them, that inflation and stagnant wages have take a huge toll on those who couldn’t get established before they took hold. Kinda pulling the treehouse ladder up after themselves and then bitching that no one comes to visit. And do not even get me started on the cost of college and trade school. That has helped destroy the middle class just as much as wage stagnation and the destruction of labor unions

Except the ones who, in large numbers, don’t have that attitude and haven’t forgotten. (Hint: you’re in the wrong state.)

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A Mom Anon  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:07:34am

re: #262 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

What’s funny/fucked up about my family is that both my parents were raised by liberal, union supporting parents. My dad’s mom worked for Anchor Hocking for 35 yrs and was the first female shop steward at the plant she worked at.

My parents are both far right wingnuts. My dad had union jobs exclusively until retirement and he hates unions. I don’t know how this crap happens, but it does. I blame their circle of Jesus love Amway buddies and right wing churches. And them. They chose that shit over their kids.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:09:32am

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

My DNA test showed that I have 1.6% “Eskimo/Inuit” ancestry. My sister took the same test and she also got the same percentage of “Eskimo/Inuit”

It’s probably a sign of a distant ancestor somewhere. My mom, myself, my grandmother, and several of our close cousins all have Baltic DNA. Grandma’s parents were from NE Slovakia but who knows how long they were there exactly before they came here. It’s even tougher for Jewish Americans such as yourself because the Russian empire where so many Jewish Americans descend from simply did not give a shit about Jewish records.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:10:46am

re: #283 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Time to dump the leiderhosen and start eating blubber. ////

My test also showed 7% Sephardic/North African. I already love hummus, falafel, tagine, tabbouleh & harissa. And this beautiful ritual artwork:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:11:49am

re: #265 plansbandc

On the first day, God created the dog and said, “Sit all day by the door of your house and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past.
For this, I will give you a life span of twenty years.”
The dog said, “That’s a long time to be barking.
How about only ten years and I’ll give you back the other ten?”
And God saw it was good….

This deserves a lifetime supply of updings!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:12:39am

re: #272 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Well you don’t want to smack them for being a Boomer, you want to smack them for being an idiot.

I forget where I saw this one:
“Like most cheap things, idiots come in a vast array of shapes, sizes, and colors.”

Yeah just being stupid. One of my biggest philosophical influences albeit indirectly since I never knew him is my dad’s dad. He would be well over a 100 by now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:12:41am

re: #277 lawhawk

It takes 1,990+ to win. Buttigieg has 23. Bernie 21. Warren has 8, Klobuchar has 7, and Biden has 6.

whoa, neck and neck and I am jumping out of my seat with excitement and anticipation!!!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:16:21am

I encourage everyone who has taken a DNA test to do more research after you get your results. I had always assumed coming from a Catholic background with a German surname that my surname’s forebearers were beer loving Bavarian Catholics but turned out they were beer loving Hessian Lutherans and it really was certainly out of the love that my great grandfather must have had for my Great Grandmother whose father was from Hesse and whose mother came from Baden on the French border from a Catholic family that he more or less agreed to raise my grandfather and his siblings Catholic. I dunno. That interests me. We each have our own unique genealogical story and that’s why I encourage everyone I know to look beyond the DNA tests for answers. It’s a story of life, it’s a story of history. Sorry for rambling but this is what I’m taking classes for and I feel so many people are getting the wrong stuff out of this.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:19:26am

Wow look at this gorgeous focaccia bread with tomato roses on cilantro stems. I have to try this.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:20:26am

Unfuckingbelievable.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:21:59am

re: #293 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Unfuckingbelievable.

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It seems the blind lady of justice wears a white hood these days…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:24:46am

re: #294 Eclectic Cyborg

It seems the blind lady of justice wears a white hood these days…

She always has favored white defendants over black ones. Anyhow I caught that documentary on Malcolm X. Just wow

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:27:05am

But how many voted for Weld, you fat fuck?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:27:25am

Is it sad that I’ve been waking up lately asking myself: “I wonder how the President is going to fuck up the country more today?”

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:27:42am

Tom Cotton is an idiot, part n+1:

The biggest news this morning might be that 2019 novel coronavirus at last has an official name. But we’ll get to that. First, some official nonsense: On Tuesday night, national security adviser Robert O’Brien appeared at an event held by the Atlantic Council think tank, at which he was asked about a conspiracy theory that’s been spread by, among others, Republican Sen. Tom Cotton. That theory, to use the term very loosely, is that the 2019 novel coronavirus had its origin in a Chinese bioweapons lab. There are two important points to bear in mind here: One, Cotton is an idiot who is passing along not just a baseless conspiracy theory, but one that breeds needless fear and xenophobia. Two, the full genome of 2019-nCoV was sequenced weeks ago; its similarities to other beta coronaviruses have been studied; and scientists are confident that it came from a wild host—likely a bat (sorry, bats, I love you, but you are the source of the two most closely related beta coronaviruses).

So, of course, O’Brien should have made it clear that Cotton’s “Chinese laboratory” story was ridiculous, insulting, and openly dangerous. He did not. Instead, O’Brien called Cotton “a very smart, handsome, intelligent senator,” and said of the bioweapons claim, “I’ve seen those reports, and Twitter and the Internet are alive with them. I don’t have any information on that one way or the other, so we just don’t know.”
Except he should have that information. This is what happens when the National Security Council is reduced to a group of toadies without the expertise to do the job the nation requires.

dailykos.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:28:51am

re: #260 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s more proof in the pudding that the legislature matters more than the ideology of the executive. Governor Northam on his own is the most conservative Democrat I’ve voted for to be governor but we’re getting this change because we understand how important the legislature is.

Va also passing civil rights legislation for the lgbtq community. Meanwhile Red states like Kentucky are debating bills to deny medical care to trans children and allow teachers to bully and demean them.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:30:54am

re: #298 Belafon

I think that “Chinese bioweapons lab created the Wuhan Coronavirus” BS started up with The Epoch Times, then went wider from there….it was in the Washington Moonie Times as well.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:32:40am

re: #277 lawhawk

It takes 1,990+ to win. Buttigieg has 23. Bernie 21. Warren has 8, Klobuchar has 7, and Biden has 6.

IOWs, all utterly irrelevant in the grand scheme.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:35:09am

re: #301 Colère Tueur de Lapin

IOWs, all utterly irrelevant in the grand scheme.

The first races tell us who is going to lose. And some of them have dropped out.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:36:49am

re: #299 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Va also passing civil rights legislation for the lgbtq community. Meanwhile Red states like Kentucky are debating bills to deny medical care to trans children and allow teachers to bully and demean them.

Yep it’s been what we’ve wanted for years but the Republicans always controlled the legislature.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:38:47am

The trailer for Wes Anderson’s new film, The French Dispatch, just dropped.

THE FRENCH DISPATCH | Official Trailer

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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:39:28am

re: #292 The Pie Overlord!

Edible art!

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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:41:00am

re: #297 Eclectic Cyborg

Every day since the day he stole office.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:42:53am

re: #304 Dr Lizardo

The trailer for Wes Anderson’s new film, The French Dispatch, just dropped.

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I’ll have to tell my son. He’s a huge Wes Anderson fan.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:44:50am

In a perfect world, Biden, Pete and Bloomberg would drop out and endorse Amy, who would then easily win the nomination. But this could well play out like 2016 in the GOP. But remember the “unelectable” GOP nominee won the election!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:47:08am

re: #308 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In a perfect world, Biden, Pete and Bloomberg would drop out and endorse Amy, who would then easily win the nomination. But this could well play out like 2016 in the GOP. But remember the “unelectable” GOP nominee won the election!

at least back then the GOP had its own debacle to deal with that kept them from sticking spokes into the DNC’s wheels at every opportunity

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jeffreyw  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:47:25am

re: #234 Rightwingconspirator

Cool!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:47:46am

re: #285 A Mom Anon

What’s funny/fucked up about my family is that both my parents were raised by liberal, union supporting parents. My dad’s mom worked for Anchor Hocking for 35 yrs and was the first female shop steward at the plant she worked at.

My parents are both far right wingnuts. My dad had union jobs exclusively until retirement and he hates unions. I don’t know how this crap happens, but it does. I blame their circle of Jesus love Amway buddies and right wing churches. And them. They chose that shit over their kids.

My father had a much higher regard for unions than I did. Comes from a family background living in PA Coal Country probably.

My first blue collar job during the summer between college years was in a oil product packaging facility that was unionized. They hired college students over the summer, paid them minimum wage for 59 days, and then fired them since otherwise you’d have to join the union and get paid more, etc. What I experienced in my two months, in addition to verbal abuse at times*, there was a bunch of the anecdotes made about workers who essentially abuse their collective job security. Workers sleeping in the back of the warehouse, reading newspapers when you needed a forklift**, etc. etc.

* - I sort of wrote that off as grief since we were essentially using up 3-4 slots that could go to union guys. And it was only a few of the workers who gave us grief.

** - Which one day caused a line stoppage and got me chewed out by a foreman. That the forklift operator caused the incident on purpose I have no doubt of since he was a first class jackass.

Now, when I was working there I walked down the road after my shift about a 1/4 mile to where my father worked at the time as a engineer. So I got to ride home with him and basically have a 30 minute discussion of work and other topics. When I bitched about the actions of the union personnel where I work he pretty much defended unions to me as being pretty necessary. Which I remember in particular since he averages one or two union grievances being filed against him per year at that time.***

*** - My father was not very tolerant of fools. Especially in a plant that produced aluminum flake via ball mills. (en.wikipedia.org ) And the assistant shop steward in the plant was apparently sloppy when it came to procedures. And both powder fires and spillages into the local river were things to be avoided.

My later college work and reading history gave me a much greater appreciation of unions and industry. Plus living in close proximity to Pittsburgh and Homestead (of Homestead Strike fame) was a factor in this as well.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:49:55am

I had forgotten about the NH Primary.

Anyway, Super Tuesday will have many, many times the delegates that Iowa + NH send to the national convention.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:50:46am

re: #307 Belafon

I’ll have to tell my son. He’s a huge Wes Anderson fan.

Anderson’s a consistently solid writer-director. I enjoy his films as well; so far, my favorite is The Grand Budapest Hotel.

This new one, it looks almost like Wes Anderson has out-Wes Anderson’ed himself, LOL. Got a great cast, too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:51:52am

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

Anderson’s a consistently solid writer-director. I enjoy his films as well; so far, my favorite is The Grand Budapest Hotel.

This new one, it looks almost like Wes Anderson has out-Wes Anderson’ed himself, LOL. Got a great cast, too.

seems to fit this trailer as well

Honest Trailers - Every Wes Anderson Movie

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:53:25am

re: #308 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I just donated fifty bucks to Amy’s campaign. If she gets the nomination, she will crush that orange bastard.

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jeffreyw  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:53:57am

re: #265 plansbandc

Woof! Woof!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:53:59am

re: #235 lawhawk

Our Corporate Controlled Conservative Press wants another four years of Trump and that is why they are colluding with Republicans to pump up the Old Fart With The Bad Heart.

And when The Old Fart gets the nomination they will paint him as Jeremy Corbyn and shred him to pieces. They will go after his wife and kids as well. The Old Fart will lose in a landslide.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:55:29am

re: #308 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In a perfect world, Biden, Pete and Bloomberg would drop out and endorse Amy, who would then easily win the nomination. But this could well play out like 2016 in the GOP. But remember the “unelectable” GOP nominee won the election!

If we were like the GOP, Bernie would have 65 delegates, and the rest of the candidates would have zero.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:56:37am

re: #318 Belafon

If we were like the GOP, Bernie would have 65 delegates, and the rest of the candidates would have zero.

Which is why Trump’s trolling the primary is so ridiculous. The Democratic primary is and always was more democratic than the Republican one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:57:27am

re: #317 Joe Bacon 🌹

Our Corporate Controlled Conservative Press wants another four years of Trump and that is why they are colluding with Republicans to pump up the Old Fart With The Bad Heart.

And when The Old Fart gets the nomination they will paint him as Jeremy Corbyn and shred him to pieces. They will go after his wife and kids as well. The Old Fart will lose in a landslide.

Trump provides them with a 24/7 Political Reality Crime Scandal show that they are loath to see cancelled, even it it means subjecting us to four more years of political, social and economic decline…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:57:57am

The only real story that to me is important out of IA and NH is that Joe Biden ought to reconsider his campaign. Clearly he is not the front runner people thought he could be.

And I think the telling thing about Buttigieg and Klobuchar doing well in small states is that they appeal to groups who are clearly wanting to avoid Sanders. Policy wise there isn’t that much daylight between most of these candidates, but especially between Pete and Amy, both of whom I think of as a bit bland, like oatmeal, but also not that offensive.

I realize there is a campaign to paint Buttigieg as anti-minority, but I’ve not been convinced he really is that way. Perhaps his lack of zeal for understanding the changing color of America is emblematic of a certain isolation he’s had, of just being a mayor and not really engaging on the national and international stages as much as some other candidates.

Klobuchar I think is presenting herself as the younger, if not by much, version of Warren. This is a difficult thing for American politics - aging women. We are a society caught up in the shallowness of celebrity, and Warren just comes off in both looks and demeanor as the schoolmarm for a mid-20th century school for young women.

Which is unfortunate, because Warren has demonstrated a capability to understand issues that is second to none.

But again, we live in a celebrity-worshipping society (see Trump.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:58:26am

You know another issue is Bernie’s frigging health. I’m sorry but he’s already going to be 80 years old next year and he has a heart attack and it’s just shrugged off. I’ll vote for Bernie if he’s the nominee but I do NOT want him turning the Democratic Party into what Trump has the Republican one. And I’m worried win or lose that’s what will happen. I don’t want the future of my ideology built around a 80 year old man who said he felt disgusted by JFK’s voice.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 7:59:29am

re: #321 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The only real story that to me is important out of IA and NH is that Joe Biden ought to reconsider his campaign. Clearly he is not the front runner people thought he could be.

And I think the telling thing about Buttigieg and Klobuchar doing well in small states is that they appeal to groups who are clearly wanting to avoid Sanders. Policy wise there isn’t that much daylight between most of these candidates, but especially between Pete and Amy, both of whom I think of as a bit bland, like oatmeal, but also not that offensive.

I realize there is a campaign to paint Buttigieg as anti-minority, but I’ve not been convinced he really is that way. Perhaps his lack of zeal for understanding the changing color of America is emblematic of a certain isolation he’s had, of just being a mayor and not really engaging on the national and international stages as much as some other candidates.

Klobuchar I think is presenting herself as the younger, if not by much, version of Warren. This is a difficult thing for American politics - aging women. We are a society caught up in the shallowness of celebrity, and Warren just comes off in both looks and demeanor as the schoolmarm for a mid-20th century school for young women.

Which is unfortunate, because Warren has demonstrated a capability to understand issues that is second to none.

But again, we live in a celebrity-worshipping society (see Trump.)

TBH I’ve always seen Klobuchar as more presidential than Warren. No knock on Elizabeth but I think she’s much better as a legislator than executive.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:01:03am

My brother and niece did DNA tests over Christmas.

My brother’s came back 99% European.

17% “broadly Northwestern European”
35.3% “French and German”
North Rhine - Westphalia; Grisons, Switzerland and three other regions
(This is probably both sides of my family. Mother’s side has German cultural roots in Alsace, and part of father’s family traced to Wurms along the Rhine as well.)

41.9% “British and Irish”
Glasgow, County Donegal, and 18 other regions.
(Both sides of family marrying Irish and British after they came over to North America. The one part traced to Wurms was over in the future United States in 1718.)

What I would like to see is my niece’s report since I suspect it would be much more of an exotic mix.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:01:32am

re: #285 A Mom Anon

My Dad story also.

His father was a Union bus driver and his mother a union school worker. There is no way this household could have lived a middle class life and funded my dad’s college education but they did specifically because of unions.

My father grew up to be a middle manager for a utility company. It is here he grew to hate unions and never acknowledged his success and youth spent in a specifically union household.

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lizardofid  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:04:45am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump provides them with a 24/7 Political Reality Crime Scandal show that they are loath to see cancelled, even it it means subjecting us to four more years of political, social and economic decline…

Les Moonves let the cat out of the bag on that in the run up to 2016.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:05:23am

re: #324 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I’m not very fond of the ethnicity tests. I love DNA tests, but for finding relatives.

Of the tests which try to assign ancestry, I think 23andMe is considered the most reasonable, then AncestryDNA. After that there are a whole slew of 2nd tier (or 3rd tier) companies who are trying to cash in but not really providing a good service.

And there are some quacks out there too, in the DNA testing world.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:07:48am

re: #324 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

One thing to remember is that each company will provide different answers, because they are not really doing the same thing.

We have 16 great-great grandparents. If we do our genealogy well and know about them and their lives, one can pretty much know from where your deeper ancestors hailed.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:07:50am

re: #324 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

My brother and niece did DNA tests over Christmas.

My brother’s came back 99% European.

17% “broadly Northwestern European”
35.3% “French and German”
North Rhine - Westphalia; Grisons, Switzerland and three other regions
(This is probably both sides of my family. Mother’s side has German cultural roots in Alsace, and part of father’s family traced to Wurms along the Rhine as well.)

41.9% “British and Irish”
Glasgow, County Donegal, and 18 other regions.
(Both sides of family marrying Irish and British after they came over to North America. The one part traced to Wurms was over in the future United States in 1718.)

What I would like to see is my niece’s report since I suspect it would be much more of an exotic mix.

Me:
48% Eastern Europe/Russia
Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania subregion
Eastern Slovakia sub-sub region
Hungary and Slovakia sub-sub region
(fits perfectly, that’s my late grandmother to a tee and the other quarter is my mom’s father whose parents were Slovenians
29% Germanic Europe (Yep! My father’s father’s German line is pretty documented and I have some distant Alsace on his mom’s side too.)
18% Ireland(broken down to Galway, North Leinster/East Conneacht, and West Clare on my Dad’s), pretty spot on though we don’t know where the Clare ties come in though I suspect it’s my Nana’s paternal grandmother who we know nothing about before she married her paternal grandfather whose father was from County Down and whose mother was the daughter of Alsace immigrants
3% England, Wales, and NW Europe (Could be the German or it could be that there was some English interaction since I do have have roots in Ulster or it could be the fact that one of my Galway lines though a very Irish family has its origins in Wales.
2% Baltics- My mom’s mom’s side but very distant or at least from a time before paper records can document it.

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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:08:37am

Been engaging with bernbros on twitter. It’s going to end poorly. Maybe permanent suspension.

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calochortus  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:08:47am

re: #322 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You know another issue is Bernie’s frigging health. I’m sorry but he’s already going to be 80 years old next year and he has a heart attack and it’s just shrugged off. I’ll vote for Bernie if he’s the nominee but I do NOT want him turning the Democratic Party into what Trump has the Republican one. And I’m worried win or lose that’s what will happen. I don’t want the future of my ideology built around a 80 year old man who said he felt disgusted by JFK’s voice.

We’ve been seeing what is to me a very off-putting ad for Bernie lately. Big crowd scene, little clips of him saying various things about what we must do and so forth, and ending with looking up at him standing at a podium, dramatic lighting, surrounded by rally attendees below. It just screams “our saviour.” Whatever happened to him being a Man of the People?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:10:57am

re: #325 Florida Panhandler

My Dad story also.

His father was a Union bus driver and his mother a union school worker. There is no way this household could have lived a middle class life and funded my dad’s college education but they did specifically because of unions.

My father grew up to be a middle manager for a utility company. It is here he grew to hate unions and never acknowledged his success and youth spent in a specifically union household.

We always appreciated unions here. My Dad’s Dad worked for the NLRB so he knew that the union man worked as hard as any other man. And My mom’s parents were the children of UMWA men with brothers in the United Steelworkers. Dad’s Dad’s job took him all around the US. Before my Dad, the youngest was born, they lived in several different places. Dad’s parents were from the city of Pittsburgh- North Side and from a well to do side on his dad’s and a more modest on his mom’s and mom’s parents came down here because my grandfather had tried working in the mines and steel mills and he just did not like it. He liked being outside and he liked building things. with brick. FDR was their favorite President but my Grandma while she had her reservations about Obama originally grew to really appreciate him.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:11:14am

Assuming Warren doesn’t drop out before Super Tuesday, I will probably vote for her. I wish Kamala wouldn’t have dropped out so early, but the hill she had to climb was too steep.

I will not vote for Bernie, or for Biden in a primary. Come November I will vote for anything that isn’t “Trump”.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:12:07am

re: #327 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’m not very fond of the ethnicity tests. I love DNA tests, but for finding relatives.

Of the tests which try to assign ancestry, I think 23andMe is considered the most reasonable, then AncestryDNA. After that there are a whole slew of 2nd tier (or 3rd tier) companies who are trying to cash in but not really providing a good service.

And there are some quacks out there too, in the DNA testing world.

The numbers I quoted before were from 23andMe.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:12:11am

re: #331 calochortus

We’ve been seeing what is to me a very off-putting ad for Bernie lately. Big crowd scene, little clips of him saying various things about what we must do and so forth, and ending with looking up at him standing at a podium, dramatic lighting, surrounded by rally attendees below. It just screams “our saviour.” Whatever happened to him being a Man of the People?

I’ve never bought Bernie as a man of the people. The modern man of the people is different than what Bernie sees it as though. I hate messiah complexes. It’s why I’m drawn to practical minded campaigns.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:15:04am

re: #312 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I had forgotten about the NH Primary.

Anyway, Super Tuesday will have many, many times the delegates that Iowa + NH send to the national convention.

Why NH matters is it allows candidates to demonstrate their competitiveness so they can raise the funds to compete on Super Tuesday. Bloomberg and Sanders can, will Pete, Amy, Warren and Joe?

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calochortus  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:15:08am

re: #335 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ve never bought Bernie as a man of the people. The modern man of the people is different than what Bernie sees it as though. I hate messiah complexes. It’s why I’m drawn to practical minded campaigns.

I just think it’s a really odd way to try to sell Bernie to someone who isn’t already on board. I suspect advertising is being run past the true believers rather than actual focus groups. Or maybe I’m just too practical minded myself.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:15:11am

re: #327 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’m not very fond of the ethnicity tests. I love DNA tests, but for finding relatives.

Of the tests which try to assign ancestry, I think 23andMe is considered the most reasonable, then AncestryDNA. After that there are a whole slew of 2nd tier (or 3rd tier) companies who are trying to cash in but not really providing a good service.

And there are some quacks out there too, in the DNA testing world.

That’s what I use them for and comparing notes. I recently heard back from a woman with roots in Fermanagh whose GG Grandfather has the same last name as my Dad’s GG Grandmother and their fathers had the same name. Don’t know if these men were cousins or brothers but it’s a link. Too many people just want the estimate and think that’s it. My Dad’s grandmother died nearly 100 years ago before he or even my grandfather (this is his mother in law we’re talking) knew her yet through my research with DNA and the paper trail, I’ve been able to find out tons about her family.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:15:39am

Well, crap.

A Syrian was killed and another was wounded in a rare clash Wednesday between American troops and a group of government supporters who tried to block a U.S. convoy driving through a village in northeastern Syria, state media and activists reported.

The state-run media said the killed man was a civilian. He was among residents of a village east of the town of Qamishli who had gathered at an army checkpoint, pelting the U.S. convoy with stones and taking down a U.S. flag from one of the vehicles. At that point, American troops fired with live ammunition and smoke bombs at the residents, the reports said.

A U.S. military spokesman said coalition forces conducting a patrol near Qamishli encountered a checkpoint occupied by pro-Syrian government forces. After coalition troops issued a series of warnings in an attempt to de-escalate the situation, the patrol came under small-arms fire from unknown individuals, coalition spokesman Myles Caggins said.

apnews.com

And with Turkey becoming increasingly belligerent in Syria, this clusterfuck is gonna continue for the foreseeable future.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:17:20am

re: #337 calochortus

I just think it’s a really odd way to try to sell Bernie to someone who isn’t already on board. I suspect advertising is being run past the true believers rather than actual focus groups. Or maybe I’m just too practical minded myself.

Bernie thinks we’re still running against the robber barons. I mean to an extent we are but the blue collar man who has a problem with my SiL being in “his country” is just as much my enemy as the CEO who gives himself a generous bonus at the expense of his workers. Bernie doesn’t get that and it infuriates me as someone who has worked on behalf of immigrants in the legal field.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:23:16am

re: #334 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

The numbers I quoted before were from 23andMe.

Originally, if you had a parent tested at 23andMe also, the estimates they provided were pretty good. Just recently I think they stopped “phasing” one’s genotype with the parent, but I am not sure of that.

23andMe was useful to my family history work early on as it became clear that there were secrets hidden in the family. Now, not everyone likes family secrets to be revealed, but for me they were important.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:25:38am

re: #322 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You know another issue is Bernie’s frigging health. I’m sorry but he’s already going to be 80 years old next year and he has a heart attack and it’s just shrugged off.

Yes, he makes Trump look positively healthy by comparison…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:25:42am

re: #341 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Originally, if you had a parent tested at 23andMe also, the estimates they provided were pretty good. Just recently I think they stopped “phasing” one’s genotype with the parent, but I am not sure of that.

23andMe was useful to my family history work early on as it became clear that there were secrets hidden in the family. Now, not everyone likes family secrets to be revealed, but for me they were important.

I see on FB that people get so pissy if they’re not what they wanted to be. That never mattered to me too much. So I’m not what I thought I was. Good. I’ve embraced the fact that I come from many different backgrounds. What more Americans should be realizing after taking these tests is that other countries aren’t as mono-ethnic as we think. That was my own discovery with Slovakia. Slovaks are West Slavs. Rusyns and they’ve been in Slovakia for generations on my grandmother’s side are East Slavs. They’re still Slovak citizens and participate in Slovak civil society, hell my cousin is a mayor.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:26:40am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, he makes Trump look positively healthy by comparison…

He’s not running against Trump yet. He doesn’t look positively healthy next to Pete, Amy, Elizabeth, or even Joe. I do not want a general election between to old men who could gently be described as coots.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:28:45am

But what her emails the tarmac meeting!?!?!?!??

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:30:19am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:30:43am

It’s really funny to watch the LOCK HER UP crowd suddenly get all wimpy on sentencing guidelines and confinement decisions.

//

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:30:45am

re: #341 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Originally, if you had a parent tested at 23andMe also, the estimates they provided were pretty good. Just recently I think they stopped “phasing” one’s genotype with the parent, but I am not sure of that.

23andMe was useful to my family history work early on as it became clear that there were secrets hidden in the family. Now, not everyone likes family secrets to be revealed, but for me they were important.

The results for my brother were not very surprising since an uncle did some genealogy research on my father’s side back in the 1970s. And a direct ancestor was part of a study done in the late 1960s that produced a thick book on the results. Plus a friend of my brother does genealogy studies and did one of his family for free of which I got a copy of the results.* We knew that the family tree was going to be very heavily Germans with some Irish as well.

* - The surprise of that study was that a family name on my mother’s side that we thought was Scot (Rose) was actually a German name (Roos) that had been anglicized at some point in the mid- to late- 1800s.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:33:31am

re: #346 jaunte

Nikki worked for a guy who was endorsed by David Duke and Louis Farrakahan. I don’t like Bernie but her playing stupid about why Sanders’ program has appeal to people ins nauseating given the right wing political economic model.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:33:58am

re: #344 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s not running against Trump yet. He doesn’t look positively healthy next to Pete, Amy, Elizabeth, or even Joe. I do not want a general election between to old men who could gently be described as coots.

What? We are not orange and demand an apology!
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:35:08am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:35:32am

re: #348 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

The results for my brother were not very surprising since an uncle did some genealogy research on my father’s side back in the 1970s. And a direct ancestor was part of a study done in the late 1960s that produced a thick book on the results. Plus a friend of my brother does genealogy studies and did one of his family for free of which I got a copy of the results.* We knew that the family tree was going to be very heavily Germans with some Irish as well.

* - The surprise of that study was that a family name on my mother’s side that we thought was Scot (Rose) was actually a German name (Roos) that had been anglicized at some point in the mid- to late- 1800s.

So you actually did trade your kilt in for lederhosen! Joking aside, your line sounds a little like my Dad’s. Our line is more recent though. I don’t have any direct ancestor that I know that arrived in the 13 colonies days. The earliest one was my GGGG Grandparents from Alsace who did in Washingotn’s first term and I have the fatehr’s will.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:36:33am

re: #351 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Other countries have been scratching their head far more at Nikki’s old boss than Bernie.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:40:37am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:40:50am

re: #279 Rightwingconspirator

Post first coffee thought. From center moderates who simply believe in the separation of powers, children belong with parents even when caught here without papers, to all the way left-All you need to do to win is vote the primary, and vote the democrat winner in the general. Bt way of personal effort, it’s easy as can be.

The active among us maybe should focus on making the above happen. Maybe spend less time in the details of daily wrongdoing at the WH. Imho.

this didnt get nearly enough attention

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:46:58am

re: #352 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

So you actually did trade your kilt in for lederhosen! Joking aside, your line sounds a little like my Dad’s. Our line is more recent though. I don’t have any direct ancestor that I know that arrived in the 13 colonies days. The earliest one was my GGGG Grandparents from Alsace who did in Washingotn’s first term and I have the fatehr’s will.

Back about 10 years ago I was up in the area where my father was born. And happened upon a couple of cemeteries I’d seen mentioned in the genealogy studies. So I went and took pictures of gravestones. At some point some of the old family farm grave plots were consolidated into locations in church cemeteries. The above stone is for one of the ancestral families (second generation I think since “Samuel the first” is I believe one of the brothers who initially came over from Germany.)

The nickname “Sweitzer Dan” is also sort of interesting.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:47:35am

re: #323 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

TBH I’ve always seen Klobuchar as more presidential than Warren. No knock on Elizabeth but I think she’s much better as a legislator than executive.

Klobuchar is so non Presidential — she’s a woman. Hillary faced contempt and non-stop attacks by the misogynist MSM. Some of the worst offenders are gone but the remainder will pile on her.

A Republican friend — who voted for Gary I think — had said months ago that she liked Amy — and she still does. I think that Amy could ignite those suburban women who came out in 2018 to get the House back for Pelosi.

Buttigieg cannot win — there is too much anti-gay sentiment, he has too limited experience (yes — I know — it’s infinitely more than Trump had), he has problems with the African-American community, and he’s too intellectual. That said, Berners will sabotage anyone not Bernie.

But it would be really exciting to see her at the top.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:49:49am

Oops, embedded the wrong reply last time:

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:51:04am

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:53:22am

re: #356 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Wow, those were some long lifepsans for that era.

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:53:39am

re: #357 Hecuba’s daughter

The media has made it clear that no Democratic woman will ever be president as long as they have anything to say about it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:58:04am

re: #358 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Oops, embedded the wrong reply last time:

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It’s really disgusting to see her use the veteran card given who she carries water for.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2020 • 8:59:03am

BAND-MAID dropped a new music video today.

BAND-MAID / The Dragon Cries

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:02:58am

re: #357 Hecuba’s daughter

Klobuchar is so non Presidential — she’s a woman. Hillary faced contempt and non-stop attacks by the misogynist MSM. Some of the worst offenders are gone but the remainder will pile on her.

A Republican friend — who voted for Gary I think — had said months ago that she liked Amy — and she still does. I think that Amy could ignite those suburban women who came out in 2018 to get the House back for Pelosi.

Buttigieg cannot win — there is too much anti-gay sentiment, he has too limited experience (yes — I know — it’s infinitely more than Trump had), he has problems with the African-American community, and he’s too intellectual. That said, Berners will sabotage anyone not Bernie.

But it would be really exciting to see her at the top.

I said she felt presidential to me as an individual. I thought that was clear. What’s disappointing is I think all the elected women who ran outside Gabbard offered something. The men I feel less so about.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:03:03am

re: #284 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

I know this. But who voted in largest numbers for Trump? Age wise I mean. I’m from Ohio. Now I live in Georgia. So yeah, both conservative enclaves. I do not remember Ohio being so red when I was a kid though. Maybe because I lived in Columbus and the colleges there made the place more left leaning. Not sure. And again, I am trying not to paint with too broad a brush, but I seriously doubt that I am the only person whose family has been destroyed by right wing politics and religion.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:04:36am

re: #364 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I said she felt presidential to me as an individual. I thought that was clear. What’s disappointing is I think all the elected women who ran outside Gabbard offered something. The men I feel less so about.

I liked Booker, Castro and Beto when they were still running. I hope all three get big roles in the campaign of whoever the eventual nominee is. Dems need young faces front and center.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:04:43am

re: #357 Hecuba’s daughter

Klobuchar is so non Presidential — she’s a woman. Hillary faced contempt and non-stop attacks by the misogynist MSM. Some of the worst offenders are gone but the remainder will pile on her.

A Republican friend — who voted for Gary I think — had said months ago that she liked Amy — and she still does. I think that Amy could ignite those suburban women who came out in 2018 to get the House back for Pelosi.

Buttigieg cannot win — there is too much anti-gay sentiment, he has too limited experience (yes — I know — it’s infinitely more than Trump had), he has problems with the African-American community, and he’s too intellectual. That said, Berners will sabotage anyone not Bernie.

But it would be really exciting to see her at the top.

for me, it’s ok to say things like the bold above because the measure is not the IMPOTUS..

aside from getting him out, who the current president is, how he got there, what skills he’s lacking, etc, are not relevant in how I/we (dems) evaluate who we (dems) want as president.

we are measuring against other dems running
and against a standard of what we think a president should be

trump dont enter into it

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:06:08am

re: #366 Eclectic Cyborg

I liked Booker, Castro and Beto when they were still running. I hope all three get big roles in the campaign of whoever the eventual nominee is. Dems need young faces front and center.

I did too. I wanted a Harris-O’Rourke ticket.

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BeachDem  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:06:28am

re: #238 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They’ve totally ignored that the people who have voted so far are collectively over 90% white. And yes the moderates are divided but our number Sanders but that’s ignored.

As Biden said last night (not sure if his #s are exactly accurate, but the point is valid)

“we haven’t heard from the most committed constituency of the Democratic Party — the African American community” and “fastest growing segment of society — the Latino community.” “99.9 percent” of black voters “have not yet had the chance to vote in America,” Biden said, and neither did “99.8 percent” of Latinx voters. And a Democrat can’t win the general election “unless you have overwhelming support from black and brown voters,” Biden added.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:09:32am

re: #357 Hecuba’s daughter

Klobuchar is so non Presidential — she’s a woman. Hillary faced contempt and non-stop attacks by the misogynist MSM. Some of the worst offenders are gone but the remainder will pile on her.

She won the popular vote but lost in a few states because of voter apathy. Some of it due to the attacks on her since she was the wife of a governor. Some of it due to people thinking Trump couldn’t win.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:10:03am

Well I’m happy to see Klobuchar getting a second look. I think she’s about as anti-DJT as there is in this cycle. Although I’m afraid it might be too little too late and that we’re in for a Sanders-Pete slog.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:10:17am

re: #369 BeachDem

As Biden said last night (not sure if his #s are exactly accurate, but the point is valid)

“we haven’t heard from the most committed constituency of the Democratic Party — the African American community” and “fastest growing segment of society — the Latino community.” “99.9 percent” of black voters “have not yet had the chance to vote in America,” Biden said, and neither did “99.8 percent” of Latinx voters. And a Democrat can’t win the general election “unless you have overwhelming support from black and brown voters,” Biden added.

And he’s right. I don’t know if Biden will win or not but he’s got a nice advantage as the best advocate of the Obama administration left of anyone running.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:11:11am

re: #370 Belafon

And lost in a few states because of voter apathy. Some of it due to the attacks on her since she was the wife of a governor. Some of it due to people thinking Trump couldn’t win.

That was also part of a strategy: indifference and apathy are the best forms of voter suppression, especially when you have a base that is totally motivated and charged.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:11:23am

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:11:49am

re: #371 Sir John Barron

Well I’m happy to see Klobuchar getting a second look. I think she’s about as anti-DJT as there is in this cycle. Although I’m afraid it might be too little too late and that we’re in for a Sanders-Pete slog.

She should work on PoC outreach. Minnesota isn’t as diverse as we are but they aren’t lily white either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:11:53am

re: #372 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And he’s right. I don’t know if Biden will win or not but he’s got a nice advantage as the best advocate of the Obama administration left of anyone running.

I like Biden, but again, I don’t want the race coming down to two old white guys…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:14:11am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I like Biden, but again, I don’t want the race coming down to two old white guys…

I don’t either but I don’t want to treat Obama like a failure either and both Sanders and Pete do that too much for me. I voted for Obama twice no regrets. I’m proud of that.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:15:40am

re: #369 BeachDem

As Biden said last night (not sure if his #s are exactly accurate, but the point is valid)

“we haven’t heard from the most committed constituency of the Democratic Party — the African American community” and “fastest growing segment of society — the Latino community.” “99.9 percent” of black voters “have not yet had the chance to vote in America,” Biden said, and neither did “99.8 percent” of Latinx voters. And a Democrat can’t win the general election “unless you have overwhelming support from black and brown voters,” Biden added.

sort of what Prof. Rachel Bitecofer has been saying
that the coalitions are demographic and it’s all about whose base gotv’s (g’s otv?)better

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:21:03am

re: #378 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

sort of what Prof. Rachel Bitecofer has been saying
that the coalitions are demographic and it’s all about whose base gotv’s (g’s otv?)better

Let’s not forget the widespread voter suppression and disenfranchisement in Republican states. It’s hard to vote when they maliciously cut back on voting hours, close polling places near you, require ids that they make difficult to acquire, and deliberately keep people who completed prison sentences from voting. They are, in effect, reinstating or preserving Jim Crow laws on voting.

380
PrairieQueen  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:21:29am

re: #357 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s pretty much what I’ve thought too.

Amy will need to look better, more presidential, and Pete’s gayness is not an issue for me (his experience is), but it would be an issue for endless attacks from the other side.

Warren is waaaaay too dowdy, Biden would need dynamite under his butt to incite any momentum, and Bernie is too old, frail, and frankly just plain goddamn nuts. I think the rest will fall to the wayside, and I hope sooner than later.

Any of these people are preferable to The Orange One, but that doesn’t mean they will beat him. Not in their present form, anyway.

381
The Pie Overlord!  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:24:35am

What is even the point of this? Bloomberg has publicly disavowed SAF and Trump has declared that it should be reinstated.

382
A Mom Anon  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:26:38am

re: #381 The Pie Overlord!

Ratfucking. That’s what all this shit is.

383
The Pie Overlord!  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:28:29am
384
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:30:32am

re: #381 The Pie Overlord!

What is even the point of this? Bloomberg has publicly disavowed SAF and Trump has declared that it should be reinstated.

Making a Democrat look bad.

385
makeitstop  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:35:27am

Good.

386
Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:37:00am

re: #381 The Pie Overlord!

What is even the point of this? Bloomberg has publicly disavowed SAF and Trump has declared that it should be reinstated.

And it came out a few days ago anyway.

387
The Pie Overlord!  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:37:27am
388
BeachDem  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:38:58am

re: #337 calochortus

I just think it’s a really odd way to try to sell Bernie to someone who isn’t already on board. I suspect advertising is being run past the true believers rather than actual focus groups. Or maybe I’m just too practical minded myself.

He should just re-run his “America” ad from 2016. Can’t stand Bernie, but that was a powerful ad.

389
lizardofid  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:39:17am

re: #381 The Pie Overlord!

What is even the point of this? Bloomberg has publicly disavowed SAF and Trump has declared that it should be reinstated.

[Embedded content]

Clicks. The coin of the realm.

390
lawhawk  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:39:19am

re: #282 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Indeed:

391
sagehen  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:41:40am

re: #375 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

She should work on PoC outreach. Minnesota isn’t as diverse as we are but they aren’t lily white either.

black minnesotans, plus auto industry…

Prince - Little Red Corvette (Official Music Video)

392
BeachDem  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:42:33am

re: #349 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Nikki worked for a guy who was endorsed by David Duke and Louis Farrakahan. I don’t like Bernie but her playing stupid about why Sanders’ program has appeal to people ins nauseating given the right wing political economic model.

When it comes to stupid, Nikki isn’t playing./

And, as always, fuck Nikki Haley—she’s an ignorant, opportunistic asshole.

393
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:42:38am

Y’all know Super Tuesday is going to be a huge clusterfuck, right?

394
Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:44:13am

re: #393 Eclectic Cyborg

Y’all know Super Tuesday is going to be a huge clusterfuck, right?

Will it be worse than what the Trump administration did yesterday?

395
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:44:35am

re: #391 sagehen

black minnesotans, plus auto industry…

[Embedded content]

The Hmong people too and many Somali Americans. Didn’t know Minnesota had the auto industry too. Amy’s grandfather like my mom’s was a miner except he was an iron ore but my mom’s a coal.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:45:35am

re: #380 PrairieQueen

That’s pretty much what I’ve thought too.

Amy will need to look better, more presidential, and Pete’s gayness is not an issue for me (his experience is), but it would be an issue for endless attacks from the other side.

Warren is waaaaay too dowdy, Biden would need dynamite under his butt to incite any momentum, and Bernie is too old, frail, and frankly just plain goddamn nuts. I think the rest will fall to the wayside, and I hope sooner than later.

Any of these people are preferable to The Orange One, but that doesn’t mean they will beat him. Not in their present form, anyway.

Should have put snark tags next to my comment about Amy and her “presidential” look. Amy strikes me as being similar to Hillary — but without Hillary’s “baggage”. She’s younger, with more Senate experience, without the 30 years of unrelenting right wing attacks, and more importantly, not married to Bill. She doesn’t have Hillary’s experience as Secretary of State — but then the RW cannot Benghazi her. She may not be dynamic but she is solid and no reason that she could not do better than Hillary,
assuming that the election is fair.

397
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:45:38am

re: #387 The Pie Overlord!

The German word ERKLÄRUNGSNOT refers to a moment in which you have been caught in a situation requiring an urgent explanation, but cannot find the words to account for your actions. It literally means ‘explanation poverty’.

“Not” in German is simply a word for “need”…which can mean poverty in the sense of “needy”…

398
Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:47:23am

Yeah, can you imagine that?

399
makeitstop  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:50:45am

Umm… wut?

400
Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:51:55am

re: #399 makeitstop

Umm… wut?

What’s in the picture?

401
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:52:30am

re: #399 makeitstop

Umm… wut?

[Embedded content]

ahahahahahahaha

402
makeitstop  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:53:46am

re: #400 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

403
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:54:15am

re: #400 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

Can you see it now?

404
Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:54:39am

re: #374 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Oh, wow, man, so sorry you’re going through this and your so has had such experiences.

405
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:54:51am

Apparently, case headings like this are common in asset seizure proceedings.

406
Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:55:12am

re: #405 Eclectic Cyborg

Apparently, case headings like this are common is asset seizure proceedings.

lol

407
Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:55:48am

re: #365 A Mom Anon

I know this. But who voted in largest numbers for Trump? Age wise I mean. I’m from Ohio. Now I live in Georgia. So yeah, both conservative enclaves. I do not remember Ohio being so red when I was a kid though. Maybe because I lived in Columbus and the colleges there made the place more left leaning. Not sure. And again, I am trying not to paint with too broad a brush, but I seriously doubt that I am the only person whose family has been destroyed by right wing politics and religion.

You are not alone. 1980 all my family was hard core Democratic but then when they got infected with Right Wing Jesus they turned Republican which made Mom and Dad so angry they went ballistic!

408
PrairieQueen  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:56:14am

re: #396 Hecuba’s daughter

In a stand up fight I think Amy can think on her feet. But this isn’t going to be a stand up fight, it’s going to be super dirty. I think Hillary handled herself pretty well in dirty fights, but the problem was she had a lot of skeletons in her own closet. Can Amy take low blows and still score points? Remains to be seen.

And by looking more presidential, I mean fancier. Wardrobe, hair and makeup, STAT. Warren’s the worst, but Amy isn’t far behind. Presentation matters. This is a job interview for the most important job in the world. Look the part.

409
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:57:37am

re: #408 PrairieQueen

In a stand up fight I think Amy can think on her feet. But this isn’t going to be a stand up fight, it’s going to be super dirty. I think Hillary handled herself pretty well in dirty fights, but the problem was she had a lot of skeletons in her own closet. Can Amy take low blows and still score points? Remains to be seen.

And by looking more presidential, I mean fancier. Wardrobe, hair and makeup, STAT. Warren’s the worst, but Amy isn’t far behind. Presentation matters. This is a job interview for the most important job in the world. Look the part.

and the question of what to wear is always easier for men at a job interview: in general, a suit and tie…

410
Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:58:15am

re: #394 Belafon

Will it be worse than what the Trump administration did yesterday?

By Super Tuesday impotus will have announced an open-ended, unspecified investigation of Klobuchar which he “has absolutely every right to do”.

/

411
Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 9:59:59am

re: #408 PrairieQueen

In a stand up fight I think Amy can think on her feet. But this isn’t going to be a stand up fight, it’s going to be super dirty. I think Hillary handled herself pretty well in dirty fights, but the problem was she had a lot of skeletons in her own closet. Can Amy take low blows and still score points? Remains to be seen.

And by looking more presidential, I mean fancier. Wardrobe, hair and makeup, STAT. Warren’s the worst, but Amy isn’t far behind. Presentation matters. This is a job interview for the most important job in the world. Look the part.

Or we could decide she looks just fine.

412
Ace Rothstein  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:02:44am

Amy Klobuchar is mean to her staff. If she was a man, she would be “dedicated to the task at hand,” “just wants to see everyone live up to their potential,” and “is tough but fair.” I know how this bullshit works.

413
PrairieQueen  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:03:01am

re: #409 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You said it. Put just about any guy in a suit and he can look presidential. Women have hair, makeup, the right shoes, the right freakin’ support undergarments… it’s endless and doesn’t seem fair.

Right now Amy still looks less polished than she could, her hair is not good, and she wears really unflattering clothes. All that is fixable, and it’s necessary to look the part. She needs a stylist. Now.

414
I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:04:21am

I’m supporting Warren at least till Super Tuesday.

415
EPR-radar  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:07:45am

re: #405 Eclectic Cyborg

Apparently, case headings like this are common in asset seizure proceedings.

The grand champion in this category is US vs. One Package of Japanese Pessaries

en.wikipedia.org

416
sagehen  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:13:47am

re: #396 Hecuba’s daughter

Should have put snark tags next to my comment about Amy and her “presidential” look. Amy strikes me as being similar to Hillary — but without Hillary’s “baggage”. She’s younger, with more Senate experience, without the 30 years of unrelenting right wing attacks, and more importantly, not married to Bill. She doesn’t have Hillary’s experience as Secretary of State — but then the RW cannot Benghazi her. She may not be dynamic but she is solid and no reason that she could not do better than Hillary,
assuming that the election is fair.

I loved her debate reaction to M4A… “It’s not going to happen, Bernie. 2/3 of Senate Democrats aren’t even onboard with that bill, just forget it. Build on Obamacare, strengthen the high-risk corridors and expand grants to rural hospitals, pass a bill to negotiate lower prices on medication, that’s how we expand healthcare.”

417
Hecuba's daughter  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:14:05am

re: #414 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m supporting Warren at least till Super Tuesday.

I know there was criticism of the NY Times split endorsement — but they were right in the sense that the best progressive candidate for progressive voters was a woman — and the best moderate candidate for moderate voters was a woman. We need a woman — and we need someone who will attack Trump 24 x 7.

Of course, Trump isn’t going to debate anyone and he’s going to run with non-stop Nuremberg rallies. Let’s hope that this time the outcome will be different.

418
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:20:45am

re: #404 Sir John Barron

Oh, wow, man, so sorry you’re going through this and your so has had such experiences.

just fwiw, it’s anymouse’s original post
i was just commenting on it

419
Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:24:40am

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Oh, wow, man, so sorry you’re going through this and your so has had such experiences.

[sorry I replied to wrong post originally)

420
Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:26:05am

re: #412 Ace Rothstein

Amy Klobuchar is mean to her staff. If she was a man, she would be “dedicated to the task at hand,” “just wants to see everyone live up to their potential,” and “is tough but fair.” I know how this bullshit works.

Bill Clinton was pretty notorious for his verbal abuse of staff.

421
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:34:09am

A usually unreliable source claims that this is Omaha.

422
Ace Rothstein  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:37:18am

re: #420 Sir John Barron

Bill Clinton was pretty notorious for his verbal abuse of staff.

No, he was “dedicated to the task at hand,” “just wanted to see everyone live up to their potential,” and “was tough but fair.”

423
ericblair  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:37:58am

re: #415 EPR-radar

The grand champion in this category is US vs. One Package of Japanese Pessaries

en.wikipedia.org

Smart money is on the pessaries.

424
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:40:17am

re: #422 Ace Rothstein

No, he was “dedicated to the task at hand,” “just wanted to see everyone live up to their potential,” and “was tough but fair.”

I would love to hear Amy get up and announce that she has “folders full of men”

425
Belafon  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:45:52am

I have mentioned KKXT here before. They’re a user supported radio station out of Dallas, that is a spinoff of KERA, our local NPR station. They are in their winter membership drive right now. You can stream them if you want at kxt.org.

In the morning, one of the things they do is “This morning in music history,” covering birthdays, concerts that occurred in the Metroxplex on the day, and other events. In particular, they highlighted that 10 cops raided Keith Richards house, and included that the woman with him was only wearing a rug when she was arrested. Then they played a Stones song.

426
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:48:41am

re: #425 Belafon

Keith always gets to have all the fun.

/

427
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:49:52am
428
sagehen  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:50:45am

So that creepy story about the man moving into his daughter’s dorm room at Sarah Lawrence and sex trafficking her roommates and other girls on the floor…

turns out, he was Best Man at Bernie Kerick’s wedding. Birds of a feather.

429
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:52:42am

re: #427 Eclectic Cyborg

If national socialists are “nazis” what are corporate socialists?
a) Corpzis
b) Crapzis
c) ??

430
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:53:15am

re: #412 Ace Rothstein

Amy Klobuchar is mean to her staff. If she was a man, she would be “dedicated to the task at hand,” “just wants to see everyone live up to their potential,” and “is tough but fair.” I know how this bullshit works.

Comes with the territory. Without judging the merits of any particular case, everyone who is in charge of something ends up with disgruntled subordinates. Even a placid, sweet-natured fellow like myself had ex-employees who would tell any and everyone that I was a deranged tyrant given to outbursts of temper and creative insults.
One of these unfortunates was fired after he was caught on video staring pointedly at, and making lewd remarks about, a receptionist’s admittedly substantial breasts. The other decided to liven things up by calling 9-1-1 to report a stuck elevator with smoke starting to affect the passengers inside. The FD and paramedics arrived to rescue them. Alas, we have no elevator. I was fined a thousand dollars for the incident. I was not amused at the “joke” at all and let this be known when I confronted the employee with the evidence. Contrary to his report, though, I did not threaten him with crucifixion or dismemberment by rabid jackals.

431
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:53:22am

re: #429 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I was going to go with Republicans.

432
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:54:22am

re: #430 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The other decided to liven things up by calling 9-1-1 to report a stuck elevator with smoke starting to affect the passengers inside. The FD and paramedics arrived to rescue them. Alas, we have no elevator. I was fined a thousand dollars for the incident. I was not amused at the “joke” at all and let this be known when I confronted the employee with the evidence. Contrary to his report, though, I did not threaten him with crucifixion or dismemberment by rabid jackals.

Holy shit dude! That’s all kinds of fucked up.

433
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:55:30am

re: #432 Eclectic Cyborg

Holy shit dude! That’s all kinds of fucked up.

This was in Lubbock, so that must be taken into account.

434
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2020 • 10:57:09am

re: #433 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This was in Lubbock, so that must be taken into account.

I’ve never been there but I’ll take your word for it.

435
Targetpractice  Feb 12, 2020 • 11:02:03am

re: #430 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Comes with the territory. Without judging the merits of any particular case, everyone who is in charge of something ends up with disgruntled subordinates. Even a placid, sweet-natured fellow like myself had ex-employees who would tell any and everyone that I was a deranged tyrant given to outbursts of temper and creative insults.
One of these unfortunates was fired after he was caught on video staring pointedly at, and making lewd remarks about, a receptionist’s admittedly substantial breasts. The other decided to liven things up by calling 9-1-1 to report a stuck elevator with smoke starting to affect the passengers inside. The FD and paramedics arrived to rescue them. Alas, we have no elevator. I was fined a thousand dollars for the incident. I was not amused at the “joke” at all and let this be known when I confronted the employee with the evidence. Contrary to his report, though, I did not threaten him with crucifixion or dismemberment by rabid jackals.

Hell, I’m not even in charge and I’ve had people accuse me of everything from being “rude” to “uncaring” to (my personal favorite) “racist.” And I’m one of the most non-threatening people you can meet.

436
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 12, 2020 • 11:02:31am

re: #429 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

If national socialists are “nazis” what are corporate socialists?
a) Corpzis
b) Crapzis
c) ??

The Nazis were corporate socialists, they worked together with the existing large corporations like Krupp and Porsche, Daimler, Adler and MAN…

437
CleverToad  Feb 12, 2020 • 11:04:43am

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438
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 12, 2020 • 11:13:43am

re: #425 Belafon

I have mentioned KKXT here before. They’re a user supported radio station out of Dallas, that is a spinoff of KERA, our local NPR station. They are in their winter membership drive right now. You can stream them if you want at kxt.org.

In the morning, one of the things they do is “This morning in music history,” covering birthdays, concerts that occurred in the Metroxplex on the day, and other events. In particular, they highlighted that 10 cops raided Keith Richards house, and included that the woman with him was only wearing a rug when she was arrested. Then they played a Stones song.

a rug or a bad hair piece?

439
Dread Pirate  Feb 12, 2020 • 11:20:14am
440
Eventual Carrion  Feb 12, 2020 • 3:30:07pm

re: #429 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

If national socialists are “nazis” what are corporate socialists?
a) Corpzis
b) Crapzis
c) ??

Cozis

441
Ming5000  Feb 12, 2020 • 6:05:15pm

re: #414 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m supporting Warren at least till Super Tuesday.

me too


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