The Bob Cesca Podcast: Carnival Barking Clown

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by Lott Law Firm:

Carnival Barking Clown — NSFW! Jody Hamilton and TRex David Ferguson are here; Mike Bloomberg calls Trump a ‘carnival barking clown’; John Kelly finally speaks out about Trump; Trump attacks John Kelly; The rats are jumping back onto the sinking White House; Hope Hicks, Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer have been rehired; Trump tries to intimidate Gov. Cuomo; The Stone prosecutors have all resigned; The first American dictator; Bill Barr is now Trump’s personal lawyer; Trump fires Treasury Department official; The Trump Death Star; With music by Seth Adam and Callie Cardemon; and more!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:05:43pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:10:01pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:10:29pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:11:28pm

re: #2 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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no problem…everyone else in the world will still be listening in

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EPR-radar  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:12:06pm

From downstairs: re: #314 The Ghost of a Flea

They’re not trying to make sense. Not making sense is the point. Prager and people like him long for a system in which they have vaguely-defined intellectual and socio-political “authority” that people don’t question, such that both “what is right” and “what is true” are not properties of a structured thought, but is handed down. One of the big things Prager pushes is lack of gratitude, and what he means by it is…deference to authority figures; specifically never getting angry or questioning their motives.

Ultimately he’s going to complain about any standard that suggests HE and his fellow authoritarians should limit how they can behave, because that’s an inversion of the natural order in which they are axiomatic Right (moral) and Right (correct).

Which is why the right is festooned with quacks and pseudointellectual buskers; because the very premise of “listen uncritically to your betters” is a petri dish for people who can pull of superficial performance of authority: looking right, speaking well, making people feel comfortable.

As always, there is less than meets the eye to these folks. There’s a bolus of strong emotional impressions that they’re either scared to say aloud—simply announcing “I am one of the better kinds of people and you should submit” won’t get the desired results—or live so deeply in lack of self-awareness that they don’t notice how they change out all the pieces of their ideology.

One way I like to summarize this is that liberals believe in equal justice for all with rule of law. The conservative view of the law is very different:

Some people (aristocrats) have legal rights but no legal responsibilities.

Other people (non-aristocrats) have legal responsibilities but no legal rights.

The US version of this tripe is an aristocracy of wealth.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:13:37pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:14:13pm
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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:16:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:16:46pm
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lawhawk  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:17:05pm

State and DOJ are absolutely corrupt - they’ve been corrupted by Trump and his criminal cabal of cronies. They’re debasing the entire national security apparatus and think they are all above the law. They’re ignoring their oaths and putting their personal wealth and fortunes above all else. They’re selling out the nation.

We see it with Trump redirecting defense funding to the Wall all while depriving our actual military forces of needed funds for rebuilding infrastructure, equipment purchases, etc - and that’s all while spending more than ever. It’s a dark hole of malfeasance, misspending, and corruption all the way down.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:18:15pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:18:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:22:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:26:06pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:27:00pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The worst ones are the latter. It starts with a quiet click. Then, every so often, click-click. Eventually, you can hear the click-whirr of death, and you know what’s coming, but the drive still keeps soldiering on, until one day… it doesn’t. It’s dead, Jim.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:27:26pm

berners don’t like this:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:28:21pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And we all know he lied about not knowing Igor and Lev. The lies move on and new ones emerge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:29:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:31:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:39:50pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:42:49pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder if some of the defense contractors whose cash for new equipment or fixing up old equipment for the Guard to use are suddenly having second thoughts about donating to this administration since their profit margins just got destroyed.

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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:43:01pm
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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:43:53pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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bratwurst  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:48:30pm

So Bernie fans are upset because the media is more interested in reporting on challengers than the front runner, eh?

You know who REALLY understands what the feels like? Hillary supporters in 2016.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:51:05pm

I am kind of disappointed that Cody Johnston, regularly featured here, seems to be a hardcore Bernoid.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:53:24pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

@tedlieu
Dear
@realDonaldTrump
: You never served in our military. Those of us who served on active duty understand our obligation is to the Constitution, not to you.

Also, a reminder, officers do not ever refer to the President when they swear their oath of office

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”

And, as to Trump’s tweets, John Kelly has absolutely no “military obligation” to keep his mouth shut. John Kelly has not been a member of the US military during any period of Trump’s presidency. He’s been retired for over 4 years.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 5:55:59pm

re: #21 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I wonder if some of the defense contractors whose cash for new equipment or fixing up old equipment for the Guard to use are suddenly having second thoughts about donating to this administration since their profit margins just got destroyed.

Trump seems to be destroying the myth about the economy doing better under Republicans because the business climate is “predictable.”

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:03:43pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:04:07pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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uriel  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:07:46pm

re: #25 The Pie Overlord!

I am kind of disappointed that Cody Johnston, regularly featured here, seems to be a hardcore Bernoid.

It is frustrating. But at least he’s not as toxic about it as some people. I’m willing to acknowledge that even though I like 90% of anything someone does, there’s still going to be that 10% where we don’t agree.

As long as the arguments are in good faith, and the beliefs and actions aren’t harmful to others or offensive in and of themselves, all you can really do is shrug and move past that stuff.

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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:08:37pm

re: #29 Chrysicat

Added a second tweet, a RT-with-comment from the first.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:09:34pm

Previous thread:

re: #319 The Pie Overlord!

NFW am I moving to Colorado for a year. I just posted it here in case some other Lizard is interested (there are a lot of Old Programmers here).

I read that to my wife, as she worked specifically with VAX for Digital Equipment Corporation.

She says “interesting, but we can’t afford to move to Colorado for one year.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:11:01pm

re: #29 Chrysicat

Trump apparently thinks having served in the military at any time puts you under some kind of NDA.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:11:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:13:56pm

re: #128 2020 Blue Wisconsin

I am so livid right now.

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SteelPH  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:14:01pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Whoosh, under the bus Barr goes?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:15:46pm

re: #324 Ace Rothstein

I can’t believe Lou is still alive.

Only the good die young.

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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:15:51pm

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Previous thread:

I read that to my wife, as she worked specifically with VAX for Digital Equipment Corporation.

She says “interesting, but we can’t afford to move to Colorado for one year.”

Unfortunately, probably true. Rent here isn’t California-level, but it’s probably closer to that than to Texas or any other low-property-tax state.

Depending on what type of salary she could demand since VAX programmers are almost all retired and your generation has an annoying habit of dying younger than your parents because of surprise cancers (on my father’s side, one of his siblings and the spouse of the only other were both taken by that, as were the majority of good friends of either him or my mother), she may still want to send an email to their HR chief, though.

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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:18:40pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:23:09pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:28:15pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:28:30pm

JFC This Thread

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:28:57pm

On the issue what Lou Dobbs attacking Bill Barr being some sort of kayfabe, I don’t see the upside of that.

If FOX continues with this beyond Lou Dobbs, then FOX is programming their millions of followers against Bill Barr. I can’t see how that benefits Barr.

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Citizen K  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:29:30pm

The fetishization of smaller states because of big city “bias” frustrates me to no end.

Because margins totaling…what, a 300k across 3-4 states means infinitely more than million vote differences in larger states, and by necessity should? I just….fucking goddamn.

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:29:55pm

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Previous thread:

I read that to my wife, as she worked specifically with VAX for Digital Equipment Corporation.

She says “interesting, but we can’t afford to move to Colorado for one year.”

I’d be tempted if I could con them out of six figures and paid rent and per diem.

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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:32:25pm

re: #40 gocart mozart

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:33:32pm

re: #44 Citizen K

The fetishization of smaller states because of big city “bias” frustrates me to no end.

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Because margins totaling…what, a 300k across 3-4 states means infinitely more than million vote differences in larger states, and by necessity should? I just….fucking goddamn.

The framers combobulated the Electoral College in order to protect the slave-owning states.

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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:37:20pm

re: #47 The Pie Overlord!

The framers combobulated the Electoral College in order to protect the slave-owning states.

I can see the argument, but we’re talking a country that expected that Virginia was going to be the most populous state (even just counting whites) for another two generations.

I’d more say it was to protect the less populous slaveholding states like Delaware, Georgia, and it was already becoming obvious Kentucky was about to join ‘em.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:38:23pm

Planned Parenthood Action Fund is doing a fundraiser for Valentine’s Day, asking for donations to be made in Mike Pence’s name.

My wife jumped right on that.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:39:41pm

re: #29 Chrysicat

And Obama recommended to Trump he not hire John Kelly. That’s probably the only reason Trump did.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:40:12pm
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retired cynic  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:40:33pm

Charlie Pierce: Anyone Who Wants My Vote Better Commit to Cleaning the Trumpian Slime Out of Our Government

I don’t want conciliation if this president* loses in the fall. I don’t want to look forward and not backwards, and I sure as hell don’t want to turn any pages. I want democratic government restored to its full and righteous power until the last slime that has seeped into our institutions has been burned away with god’s own blessed fire. This isn’t vengeance. It’s justice, full, transparent and complete. And it is our common right to see it done.

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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:41:17pm

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Pretty much. Also, no active love for “Sunkist Salazar”?

Should I have gone for “Francisco Francrush”?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:45:23pm

Alouette/Viscous Babushka/Pie Overlord/other aliases you might post under:

My wife thought about that VAX proposal you wrote about and would like to know more (like which company, where, how to apply, &c).

If you care to forward that info to her, my wife’s E-mail address is in my profile.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:46:36pm

re: #52 retired cynic

Charlie Pierce: Anyone Who Wants My Vote Better Commit to Cleaning the Trumpian Slime Out of Our Government

So much this. Dems would lose me if they aren’t willing to investigate and prosecute (if/as needed) the fuck out everyone in this administration.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:48:26pm

re: #2 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

He’s running an organization on behalf of Autocrats Inc. and he can no longer afford to have others listen in to his conversations.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:49:38pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:49:46pm

re: #56 Hecuba’s daughter

He’s running an organization on behalf of Autocrats Inc. and he can no longer afford to have others listen in to his conversations.

Leave the guy alone. He just wants to have phone sex with Putin without other people getting blackmail material.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 13, 2020 • 6:51:15pm

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:01:26pm

re: #59 The Pie Overlord!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:02:56pm
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Citizen K  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:03:45pm

Folks are upset about the reviews for Charles Murray’s latest ‘Maybe Racism IS Rational!’ shitpieces.

Unfortunately, judging from a lot of the replies to this and others, the audience that really wants to believe that their racism is deserved and rational is massive. The bullshit outrage about the book being reviewed by non-scientists is just…such an amazing amount of projection and yet it’s clear that a vast amount of people really want codified, legal racism based on shit like this.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:03:48pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:04:30pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:05:54pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:10:56pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:14:47pm

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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:14:51pm

re: #66 gocart mozart

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:15:12pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:15:46pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:15:46pm
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calochortus  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:17:08pm

re: #62 Citizen K

Folks are upset about the reviews for Charles Murray’s latest ‘Maybe Racism IS Rational!’ shitpieces.

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Unfortunately, judging from a lot of the replies to this and others, the audience that really wants to believe that their racism is deserved and rational is massive. The bullshit outrage about the book being reviewed by non-scientists is just…such an amazing amount of projection and yet it’s clear that a vast amount of people really want codified, legal racism based on shit like this.

I am but a mere woman and therefore probably unqualified to comment on all the logic-y stuff racists have said over the years, but if whites are all that superior, why do we keep having to pass laws to prevent people with melanin from doing various things? Why restrict their education? Why keep them from certain jobs? Why tell them they can’t buy expensive houses? They shouldn’t be able to out compete whites in a fair fight if they are actually inferior.

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EPR-radar  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:19:29pm

re: #44 Citizen K

Arguments in favor of the US electoral college are the second stupidest set of arguments of all time.

The stupidest are the arguments for young earth creationism.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:19:30pm

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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calochortus  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:21:16pm

re: #73 EPR-radar

Arguments in favor of the US electoral college are the second stupidest set of arguments of all time.

The stupidest are the arguments for young earth creationism.

I’d guess you could make a better argument for the EC back when people thought of themselves more as citizens of their states and were afraid their neighbors might take advantage of them. Now? Not so much.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:23:13pm

Could you imagine the MSM showing an empty podium while the crowd waits for Elizabeth?

Me neither.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:24:51pm

re: #74 The Pie Overlord!

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:26:45pm

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:27:09pm

re: #72 calochortus

I am but a mere woman and therefore probably unqualified to comment on all the logic-y stuff racists have said over the years, but if whites are all that superior, why do we keep having to pass laws to prevent people with melanin from doing various things? Why restrict their education? Why keep them from certain jobs? Why tell them they can’t buy expensive houses? They shouldn’t be able to out compete whites in a fair fight if they are actually inferior.

Mere woman? I doubt that very much, Ma’am. No “mere” about it.

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SteelPH  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:27:25pm

re: #73 EPR-radar

Arguments in favor of the US electoral college are the second stupidest set of arguments of all time.

The stupidest are the arguments for young earth creationism.

Flat earthers.

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EPR-radar  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:28:06pm

re: #72 calochortus

I am but a mere woman and therefore probably unqualified to comment on all the logic-y stuff racists have said over the years, but if whites are all that superior, why do we keep having to pass laws to prevent people with melanin from doing various things? Why restrict their education? Why keep them from certain jobs? Why tell them they can’t buy expensive houses? They shouldn’t be able to out compete whites in a fair fight if they are actually inferior.

Racists are very fond of judging people by their appearances, so it can justly be pointed out that white supremacists disproportionally draw from the least impressive specimens of their race. Methhead McSisterDogFuck from Shitpit USA with his three teeth (no two of which can touch) and five remaining strands of hair is a crushing contrast to their dreams of Aryan übermensch.

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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:28:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:28:47pm

re: #80 SteelPH

Flat earthers.

Anti-vaxxers.

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EPR-radar  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:29:02pm

re: #80 SteelPH

Flat earthers.

You’re right. I’m behind the times.

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calochortus  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:29:17pm

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Mere woman? I doubt that very much, Ma’am. No “mere” about it.

Kind of you to say so. (And quite possibly accurate ;-) )

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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:31:02pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:31:14pm

re: #82 gocart mozart

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EPR-radar  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:32:35pm

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Anti-vaxxers.

Anti-vaxxers are stupid and dangerous, but their positions do not require the wholesale rejection of multiple branches of science like young earth creationism and flat-earthism do.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:36:24pm

Andrew Sullivan standing up for poor beleaguered racists:
(and doubling down in the comment thread)

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:38:26pm

Michigan Man is like Florida Man, but with snow!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:39:43pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

Anti-vaxxers are stupid and dangerous, but their positions do not require the wholesale rejection of multiple branches of science like young earth creationism and flat-earthism do.

Sure they do. They have to reject everything from biology (and the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection biology is based on), chemistry, adding things like a “giant Big Pharma conspiracy” to do “something,” and putting public health at risk.

Moreover, flat earthers, moon landing hoaxers, anti-vaxxers, New World Orderists, 9/11 hoaxers, tend to be attracted through crank magnetism—accept one and others are easier to accept.

I blame the X-files.

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calochortus  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:41:54pm

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Sure they do. They have to reject everything from biology (and the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection biology is based on), chemistry, adding things like a “giant Big Pharma conspiracy” to do “something,” and putting public health at risk.

Moreover, flat earthers, moon landing hoaxers, anti-vaxxers, New World Orderists, 9/11 hoaxers, tend to be attracted through crank magnetism—accept one and others are easier to accept.

I blame the X-files.

I dunno. My kids used to watch the X-files and they don’t believe in conspiracy theories.

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Citizen K  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:41:55pm

re: #72 calochortus

I am but a mere woman and therefore probably unqualified to comment on all the logic-y stuff racists have said over the years, but if whites are all that superior, why do we keep having to pass laws to prevent people with melanin from doing various things? Why restrict their education? Why keep them from certain jobs? Why tell them they can’t buy expensive houses? They shouldn’t be able to out compete whites in a fair fight if they are actually inferior.

Don’t you know? It’s the “elites” doing it, tilting the scales toward the undeserved while snubbing the honest (read:white) citizen and robbing him of his opportunity despite his obvious superiority. /////

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:42:19pm

re: #81 EPR-radar

Racists are very fond of judging people by their appearances, so it can justly be pointed out that white supremacists disproportionally draw from the least impressive specimens of their race. Methhead McSisterDogFuck from Shitpit USA with his three teeth (no two of which can touch) and five remaining strands of hair is a crushing contrast to their dreams of Aryan übermensch.

For that matter, not many of the original Nazis came anywhere close to their ideal, though they were at least much better groomed than the current bunch. Heydrich probably came closest. Now that was a scary-ass looking Nazi, until Czech patriots smoked his ass.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:42:21pm
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calochortus  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:43:29pm

re: #93 Citizen K

Don’t you know? It’s the “elites” doing it, tilting the scales toward the undeserved while snubbing the honest (read:white) citizen and robbing him of his opportunity despite his obvious superiority. /////

I knew a man could explain it to me! (You are a guy, right?)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:44:47pm

re: #92 calochortus

I dunno. My kids used to watch the X-files and they don’t believe in conspiracy theories.

First they’re experimenting with The X-files, next thing you know they’ll be freebasing flat earth and gyrating to that rock ‘n’ roll music. It’s a slippery slope, I tell you. /s

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Citizen K  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:45:36pm

re: #96 calochortus

I knew a man could explain it to me! (You are a guy, right?)

Nah, I’m too emotional and sensitive, too much of a “beta” to be a real guy. Real guys don’t have empathy or feel things other than rage-, er…righteous anger.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:45:58pm

re: #92 calochortus

I dunno. My kids used to watch the X-files and they don’t believe in conspiracy theories.

Everyone likes a good conspiracy theory. I found JFK entertaining even if I knew Stone misrepresented Jim Garrison’s actions.

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calochortus  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:47:48pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹🎃

First they’re experimenting with The X-files, next thing you know they’ll be freebasing flat earth and gyrating to that rock ‘n’ roll music. It’s a slippery slope, I tell you. /s

Sorry, they’re now in their latter 30s and more or less responsible citizens. My son does have a thing about vaccines, but that’s because he’s phobic about needles-and he did manage to go get his DPT booster before the birth of his niece for the sake of her health.

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calochortus  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:49:28pm

re: #98 Citizen K

Nah, I’m too emotional and sensitive, too much of a “beta” to be a real guy. Real guys don’t have empathy or feel things other than rage-, er…righteous anger.

And apparently real men don’t like women very much. Fortunately I married a beta who likes women. And they usually like him because he’s a nice guy.

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Chrysicat  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:51:28pm

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

For that matter, not many of the original Nazis came anywhere close to their ideal, though they were at least much better groomed than the current bunch. Heydrich probably came closest. Now that was a scary-ass looking Nazi, until Czech patriots smoked his ass.

I ‘unno, Canaris was very handsome for his age. Then again, there’s a definite argument, considering he was actively letting Double Cross screw up his intelligence, that he was literally a nazi-in-name-only after ‘39.

I do not find Heydrich any better-looking in his face than any other Nazi leader; was he ripped in a way the older ones weren’t?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:52:06pm

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

For that matter, not many of the original Nazis came anywhere close to their ideal, though they were at least much better groomed than the current bunch. Heydrich probably came closest. Now that was a scary-ass looking Nazi, until Czech patriots smoked his ass.

Heydrich was out of central casting. The cold blue eyes and blonde hair. The Czechoslovak partisans that killed him were bold. The irony of the Nazis is so many of them did not actually fit the so called Aryan ideal. One think that surprised me seeing the photos of my German immigrant ancestors including my dad’s grandfather is how they didn’t look stereotypically German at all but that line I researched fairly thoroughly.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:53:31pm
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:53:34pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 7:55:47pm

re: #102 Chrysicat

I ‘unno, Canaris was very handsome for his age. Then again, there’s a definite argument, considering he was actively letting Double Cross screw up his intelligence, that he was literally a nazi-in-name-only after ‘39.

I do not find Heydrich any better-looking in his face than any other Nazi leader; was he ripped in a way the older ones weren’t?

I don’t think he means Heydrich was handsome but rather Heydrich looks like what you imagine a Nazi to be. He appears to have been a wiry man with blonde hair and icy blue eyes. As I said, the ironic thing for me having photographs of family from Germany and my German line is by far my most documented is how very unGerman imo they look. I probably look more and I’m more non German than I am and my brothers imo have it even more being blonde and more fair skinned.

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Belafon  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:01:02pm

re: #42 The Pie Overlord!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:02:34pm

Local ass got what he deserved.

Second victim files federal suit against former golf coach, Scotts Bluff Country Club (Goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, more at the link, site is loading slowly):

A former Scottsbluff High School student has sued the Scotts Bluff Country Club and former Scottsbluff High School girl’s golf coach Michael Klein.

The suit, filed Feb. 3, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Nebraska, is the second lawsuit filed that stems from Klein’s conviction in November 2017 in Scotts Bluff County Court. Klein had been convicted, and was sentenced to 23 to 32 years in prison, on four counts of first-degree sexual assault, a Class II felony. He had been convicted of sexually assaulting two students, who were ages 15 years old and 16 years old at the time that Klein had sexually assaulted the two girls.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:04:01pm

re: #107 Belafon

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:04:39pm

re: #107 Belafon

They lurve themselves some “originalism” right up until it goes against their narrative.

“Bear arms” in the XVIII Century means what “under arms” (not pits) means today: To serve in the military.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:06:28pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:08:43pm

This dovetails with my own observations. Most of the people I’ve known with so called farms, ranches and orchards are really people trying to grow just enough to get the agricultural property tax rate.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:08:58pm

re: #107 Belafon

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:10:08pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

About 2/3 of US farms make less than $10K a year, gross. That’s TINY.

You can grow that much veggies in most front yards. That’s ~15-20 acres of corn. Average farm is ~250 acres.

20 acres of anything would be a damn big front yard.

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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:10:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:19:01pm

re: #115 gocart mozart

Wholly crap, there is a double helping of conservaderp in that thread.

It’s a damn cult. Plus the “Jesus loves you, you’re going to hell” from the Christians is the cherry on top of all that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:20:25pm

He insults other people and then acts outraged if anyone say he’s anything but perfect.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:21:00pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:24:04pm

re: #118 Dread Pirate

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:26:35pm

re: #102 Chrysicat

I ‘unno, Canaris was very handsome for his age. Then again, there’s a definite argument, considering he was actively letting Double Cross screw up his intelligence, that he was literally a nazi-in-name-only after ‘39.

I do not find Heydrich any better-looking in his face than any other Nazi leader; was he ripped in a way the older ones weren’t?

He wasn’t good looking in any usual sense, though I am scarcely a judge of such things. His long face, aquiline nose, and cold blue eyes hair did match the Nazi’s Aryan ideal well though. He was apparently quite athletic as well, certainly compared to Hitler himself or *snicker* Goering.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:27:19pm
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A Mom Anon  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:29:17pm

re: #121 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

What the actual fuck is wrong with this dipshit?

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:30:47pm

re: #120 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Dread Pirate  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:30:57pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:31:22pm

re: #122 A Mom Anon

What the actual fuck is wrong with this dipshit?

I have no idea. And yeah sometimes he gets a vote right. Doesn’t change he acts like a fool.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:31:49pm

Could be any given Republican from the midwest.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:32:39pm

re: #123 jaunte

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:33:25pm

re: #119 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t know him. He’s a never Trumper.//

Another Republican who suddenly finds a conscience after he’s decided to leave office.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:35:01pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Another Republican who suddenly finds a conscience after he’s decided to leave office.

My bet is he’s got some real estate where Trump wants his wall.

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uriel  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:36:09pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:38:32pm

Interesting thing about Heydrich but he apparently was as a child for bullied for having a high pitched voice and having rumored Jewish ancestry.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:39:32pm

re: #130 uriel

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Dread Pirate  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:39:40pm
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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:40:59pm

re: #118 Dread Pirate

“A Republican, Thornberry represents Texas’s 13th congressional district, the most Republican district in the United States by partisan voting index.”
en.wikipedia.org

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:43:33pm

re: #134 jaunte

“A Republican, Thornberry represents Texas’s 13th congressional district, the most Republican district in the United States by partisan voting index.”
en.wikipedia.org

Could there be some cracks in the armor we don’t know about? I mean no doubt Trump will be renominated but I’m holding out hope Weld will get some delegates that will not endorse Trump and make that opinion known which will drive Trump bonkers.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:45:01pm

re: #135 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Hard to say. Thornberry is probably the safest R seat in the nation, so it’s pretty easy for him to offer some mild criticism.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:45:08pm

re: #131 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Interesting thing about Heydrich but he apparently was as a child for bullied for having a high pitched voice and having rumored Jewish ancestry.

Must be why I thought of Jared when I looked at that picture.

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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:45:56pm

The Billy Bragg / Taylor Swift album is gonna be lit

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PrairieQueen  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:46:24pm

re: #123 jaunte

Every time I see that photo he reminds me of Jared Kushner. Not precisely, but the demeanor.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:46:42pm

Heydrich looks weirdly similar to one of my son’s friends who has a very German name.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:50:19pm

re: #137 BeachDem

Must be why I thought of Jared when I looked at that picture.

He scares the crap out of me but it’s also because I have read excerpts of Wannsee which he ran like a business convention. It was a huge risk to assassinate him but it was worth the risk. He was about to take the same job in Paris that he had in Czechoslovakia and who knows what he would have done there with a much larger population.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:51:03pm

re: #135 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Could there be some cracks in the armor we don’t know about? I mean no doubt Trump will be renominated but I’m holding out hope Weld will get some delegates that will not endorse Trump and make that opinion known which will drive Trump bonkers.

Wow, I’m only in the 10th most Republican district, based on that Cook Political Report ranking: Texas-13 R+33, Nebr-3 R+27.

We’re practically flamin’ liberals here.

My rep Adrian Smith is all-in on Trump’s wall, because Nebraska is endangered by a border a thousand miles away. Oh, and he’s running for reëlection, unlike the guy in TX-13.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:53:28pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:54:41pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Wow, I’m only in the 10th most Republican district, based on that Cook Political Report ranking: Texas-13 R+33, Nebr-3 R+27.

We’re practically flamin’ liberals here.

My rep Adrian Smith is all-in on Trump’s wall, because Nebraska is endangered by a border a thousand miles away. Oh, and he’s running for reëlection, unlike the guy in TX-13.

The people who remain most threatened by immigrants most encounter them least. It was true 100 years ago and it’s true now.

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PrairieQueen  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:54:45pm

re: #143 Patricia Kayden

Lou Dobbs, Any day ending in Y: flatass nuts, lying, bootlicking, sonofabitch.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:55:16pm

re: #143 Patricia Kayden

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:57:44pm

re: #145 PrairieQueen

Lou Dobbs, Any day ending in Y: flatass nuts, lying, bootlicking, sonofabitch.

I think Dobbs may be the biggest true believer on FNC.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:58:30pm

re: #136 jaunte

Hard to say. Thornberry is probably the safest R seat in the nation, so it’s pretty easy for him to offer some mild criticism.

True but you know how he takes even mild criticism.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 8:58:51pm

re: #144 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The people who remain most threatened by immigrants most encounter them least. It was true 100 years ago and it’s true now.

Yup. The folks in my town when we came back from Poland and went to the village party: Wow! Were you afraid ISIS was going to overrun Poland? There’s no way you could get me to travel to a dangerous place like that!

(We were afraid of being overrun by Russia, since we were only thirty miles from the border and they were building up missiles, armour, aircraft, and tanks in Kaliningrad while we were in Gdansk.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:07:09pm

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yup. The folks in my town when we came back from Poland and went to the village party: Wow! Were you afraid ISIS was going to overrun Poland? There’s no way you could get me to travel to a dangerous place like that!

(We were afraid of being overrun by Russia, since we were only thirty miles from the border and they were building up missiles, armour, aircraft, and tanks in Kaliningrad while we were in Gdansk.)

It’s frustrating because they do not get that border communities actually cooperate often. O’Rourke attending funerals on both sides of El Paso following that shooting for example.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:10:03pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:11:13pm

re: #151 Dread Pirate

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He openly operates this way but hey we’re fine since Susan Collins is probably deeply concerned.

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:11:24pm

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:11:29pm

re: #144 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The people who remain most threatened by immigrants most encounter them least. It was true 100 years ago and it’s true now.

And yet our state continues to lead (by percentage of population) in refugee resettlement. I don’t get it.

Ricketts to tell Trump administration that Nebraska will accept refugees Lincoln, Nebr. Journal-Star, Dec. 19:

Gov. Pete Ricketts will issue his consent to allow refugees to continue to resettle in Nebraska, a step now required by the federal government.

An executive order signed by President Donald Trump in September requires governors, mayors and other local government leaders to provide written consent to allow refugees in their communities.

Several local leaders — including the Omaha and Lincoln mayors and both the Lancaster and Douglas county commissioners — have indicated they plan to consent.

From the Omaha World-Herald, since 2002, 11,949 refugees from 36 countries have resettled in Nebraska.

dataomaha.com

We have one refugee in my little town (from Cuba).

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:16:23pm

re: #147 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think Dobbs may be the biggest true believer on FNC.

Lou Dobbs is what Stephen Miller will grow up to be. Dobbs had been hating on The Other for decades.

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uriel  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:20:03pm

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹🎃

On the issue what Lou Dobbs attacking Bill Barr being some sort of kayfabe, I don’t see the upside of that.

If FOX continues with this beyond Lou Dobbs, then FOX is programming their millions of followers against Bill Barr. I can’t see how that benefits Barr.

It allows Barr to maintain the fiction that he is only, completely, and totally interested in maintaining the an eagle-eyed focus on constitution and the law of the land, which some how, despite his clear-minded objectivity, always seems to agree with cheetolini’s passing whims.

You know, instead of the harsh reality where he’s a cheap bagman for for tin-pot autocrat who probably blows his nose on all that shit.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:20:22pm

Lre: #155 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Lou Dobbs is what Stephen Miller will grow up to be. Dobbs had been hating on The Other for decades.

Miller is worse. Dobbs only dreams of whispering the policy implementation that Miller has gotten.

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plansbandc  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:20:23pm

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Of course it is.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:22:14pm

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And yet our state continues to lead (by percentage of population) in refugee resettlement. I don’t get it.

Ricketts to tell Trump administration that Nebraska will accept refugees Lincoln, Nebr. Journal-Star, Dec. 19:

From the Omaha World-Herald, since 2002, 11,949 refugees from 36 countries have resettled in Nebraska.

dataomaha.com

We have one refugee in my little town (from Cuba).

Well that’s your elected leaders. And they deserve props for that but A) most immigrants aren’t refugees and B) there are plenty of other localities away from the border that have gone along with the nativism.

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mmmirele  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:22:51pm

re: #153 2020 Blue Wisconsin

Done. Happy to do it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:24:16pm

re: #158 plansbandc

Of course it is.

It was Flynn not Kelly that Obama advised against. I don’t think Obama commented on Kelly but Flynn he was very adamant was a bad idea for national security adviser but it’s not like the stable genius was going to listen to a Kenyan.//

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uriel  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:24:46pm

re: #155 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Lou Dobbs is what Stephen Miller will grow up to be. Dobbs had been hating on The Other for decades.

For absolutely no good reason, my mind’s initial reading of that was “Lou Dobbs is what Dennis Miller will grow up to be.”

And my initial reaction was, “Yeah, I can see that.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:26:06pm

re: #162 uriel

For absolutely no good reason, my mind’s initial reading of that was “Lou Dobbs is what Dennis Miller will grow up to be.”

And my initial reaction was, “Yeah, I can see that.”

Don’t hear much from him these days do we?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:26:34pm

re: #159 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well that’s your elected leaders. And they deserve props for that but A) most immigrants aren’t refugees and B) there are plenty of other localities away from the border that have gone along with the nativism.

I know, and Pete Ricketts is certainly no prize of a governor. He’s doing the minimum possible to avoid looking like the bot from Ameritrade he is.

Donald Trump Found A Black Woman To Blame For Roger Stone’s Crimes (Wonkette)

Oh great, the “fore person” [sic] of the jury was BIASSSSSS, by which Trump means she is a Democrat, and are Democrats even allowed to serve on juries in Trump’s America? You won’t be shocked to learn that the latest subject of Trump’s outrage, and Fox News’s outrage, the foreperson of the Roger Stone jury, is a black woman, because that’s on brand for Trump and Fox News.

Now, please forget that there are 12 people on a jury, and that all must agree on a verdict before rendering it. (That is what “unanimous” means.) Obviously, this one alleged Trump-hating black lady #RIGGED it against Stone, and by extension Trump. That is just how things work, if you are as much of a misogynist pig racist as Donald Trump is.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:31:26pm

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I know, and Pete Ricketts is certainly no prize of a governor. He’s doing the minimum possible to avoid looking like the bot from Ameritrade he is.

Donald Trump Found A Black Woman To Blame For Roger Stone’s Crimes (Wonkette)

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Well given they reduce themselves to Trump’s stupidity on the issues, it’s easy for me to see how FNC is acting like the forewoman sabotaged the jury against Stone. I really do worry for her safety though.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:31:46pm

re: #163 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Don’t hear much from him these days do we?

Thank goodness.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:34:08pm

re: #166 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Thank goodness.

Just sucks tho because one fades away and another five creep in.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:39:40pm

Somebody call the waaambulance!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:45:31pm

re: #165 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well given they reduce themselves to Trump’s stupidity on the issues, it’s easy for me to see how FNC is acting like the forewoman sabotaged the jury against Stone. I really do worry for her safety though.

Law&Crime collected some very stupid tweets from deteriorated legal minds like Rudy Giuliani, Alan Dershowitz, and Fox News Judge Andrew Napolitano, who seems to have lost his nut again. (from the same article)

In the meantime, the juror in question, who wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post, says she’s no longer afraid of those trying to out her (read “Republican politicians and operatives”) and outed herself.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:46:49pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:47:40pm

re: #168 DodgerFan1988

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Somebody call the waaambulance!

Wait, let me check my list of things I can’t say and that piss me off. I scrolled down about a thousand single entry and the N word simply was not on the list.////

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:48:35pm

re: #75 calochortus

I’d guess you could make a better argument for the EC back when people thought of themselves more as citizens of their states and were afraid their neighbors might take advantage of them. Now? Not so much.

Having lived overseas for almost two decades, the first thing I say when people ask me where I’m from is, “The United States”, usually followed by, “Los Angeles, L.A.” (a surprising number of people I’ve encountered are more familiar with the L.A. abbreviation).

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uriel  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:50:28pm

re: #168 DodgerFan1988

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Somebody call the waaambulance!

The one question I have for people who say this crap is:

Why is this so important to you?Who, exactly do you want to call a n****r? A co-worker? Random kids on the street? An uppidy bank teller? Really, what’s the goddamned obsession?

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:54:33pm

re: #160 mmmirele

Thank you!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:56:41pm

re: #103 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Heydrich was out of central casting. The cold blue eyes and blonde hair. The Czechoslovak partisans that killed him were bold. The irony of the Nazis is so many of them did not actually fit the so called Aryan ideal. One think that surprised me seeing the photos of my German immigrant ancestors including my dad’s grandfather is how they didn’t look stereotypically German at all but that line I researched fairly thoroughly.

Hitler himself certainly didn’t look anything even remotely like the Aryan ideal of Nazi propaganda. And for that matter, neither did Heinrich Himmler - or Goebbels.

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uriel  Feb 13, 2020 • 9:56:49pm

Jesus this is awful. Definitely read the article- it gets worse.

ETA: But you know, racism isn’t a thing. At least according to our Chief Justice.)

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:01:58pm

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:02:06pm

re: #131 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Interesting thing about Heydrich but he apparently was as a child for bullied for having a high pitched voice and having rumored Jewish ancestry.

Those rumors of Jewish ancestry dogged Heydrich even during his career in the SS….Wilhelm Canaris claimed he had indisputable proof of such, though it never surfaced and a Gauleiter also said he had proof that Heydrich was not a “pure Aryan”.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:04:21pm

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Andrew Sullivan standing up for poor beleaguered racists:
(and doubling down in the comment thread)

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After Eric Alterman discontinued his blog, I started following Andrew, who by that time had renounced his support for the Iraq war and had endorsed Obama for President. I turned a blind eye toward his earlier support of the despicable The Bell Curve and the misogyny that permeated his hatred of Hillary. I guess I thought that he was no longer in thrall to racist ideology because he liked Obama but I was mistaken. I apologize to all for being such a fool and not realizing that the racism that clearly motivated his original enthusiasm for Charles Murray (another detestable human being) has persisted. Maybe racism has always been a bedrock of conservative ideology.

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uriel  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:06:25pm

re: #173 uriel

In retrospect, that was actually a bunch of questions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:10:19pm

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

You don’t need to apologise. Andrew Sullivan can write a compelling narrative. Every once in a while though, what he really thinks slips through.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:11:51pm

re: #153 2020 Blue Wisconsin

I think this is well on it’s way. I’m plopping it into every journo in my feed

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:14:54pm

re: #168 DodgerFan1988

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Somebody call the waaambulance!

Fucking piece of shit. Prager is a Jew with Nazi principles.

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:14:58pm

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

I agree with Anymouse. I admit I read him regularly during the early Obama years. But, like you, eventually the racism became obvious and I dropped him without a shred of regret.

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:15:06pm

re: #182 Dave In Austin

Thank you!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:15:33pm

re: #185 2020 Blue Wisconsin

Big time…….

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:16:52pm

re: #168 DodgerFan1988

Somebody call the waaambulance!

(video, 1:19)

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Dave In Austin  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:16:58pm

re: #185 2020 Blue Wisconsin

I want to say how shocked and sorry I am about this. It just makes me boil.

Take them to Task.

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uriel  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:17:00pm

re: #177 2020 Blue Wisconsin

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:21:55pm

re: #189 uriel

re: #188 Dave In Austin

Thank you. I truly do appreciate it, the support from everyone here. This is such a wonderful group of people. I tend to lurk more than I post but I really am proud to be a member of this community.

Thank you all.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:25:35pm

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

After Eric Alterman discontinued his blog, I started following Andrew, who by that time had renounced his support for the Iraq war and had endorsed Obama for President. I turned a blind eye toward his earlier support of the despicable The Bell Curve and the misogyny that permeated his hatred of Hillary. I guess I thought that he was no longer in thrall to racist ideology because he liked Obama but I was mistaken. I apologize to all for being such a fool and not realizing that the racism that clearly motivated his original enthusiasm for Charles Murray (another detestable human being) has persisted. Maybe racism has always been a bedrock of conservative ideology.

I NEVER forgave Sullivan for leading the charge to destroy Hillary’s health care proposal. He allowed that liar Betsy McCauley to push her lies in the New Republican. Thanks to the defeat of Hillary’s proposal my parents lost their home to medical debt.

Sullivan can burn in hell for what he did to my parents.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:38:23pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:45:20pm

re: #192 Dread Pirate

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And what will Trump’s Pulpit Pimp Pals say in response?

Why Anne Graham Cracker (Franky’s Fucked-Up Sister) says that she prays for North Korea to nuke Sodom San Francisco and Gomorrah Hollywood!

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:48:42pm

re: #153 2020 Blue Wisconsin

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:59:13pm

re: #191 Joe Bacon 🌹

I NEVER forgave Sullivan for leading the charge to destroy Hillary’s health care proposal. He allowed that liar Betsy McCauley to push her lies in the New Republican. Thanks to the defeat of Hillary’s proposal my parents lost their home to medical debt.

Sullivan can burn in hell for what he did to my parents.

That is terrible. I am so sorry for what your family endured. Health care is a right and not a privilege.

I was totally unaware of his role in the defeat of the Hillary proposal — and indeed knew little about Sullivan at the time because I did not read the New Republic. However, there were other factors too in the defeat — the plan was overly complex and there were outside forces focused on destroying Bill Clinton. It was more Gingrich and the Democratic losses in 1994 that doomed the plan. And when a plan was finally implemented under Obama, Republicans worked assiduously from the day of its adoption to undermine it. Our ire should be directed against the entire Republican Party and its persistent efforts to deprive the poor and middle class of health coverage.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 13, 2020 • 10:59:20pm

re: #177 2020 Blue Wisconsin

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 13, 2020 • 11:08:21pm

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 13, 2020 • 11:09:01pm

This looks great. Directed by Armando Iannucci and with a great cast.

THE PERSONAL HISTORY OF DAVID COPPERFIELD | Official Trailer | Searchlight Pictures

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Feb 13, 2020 • 11:16:07pm

re: #196 Sherlock Hound

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I found this to be a really interesting read. It focuses more on the media/reporting side of police use-of-force vs disabled individuals but it had some very interesting conclusions such as:

How often do American police use force against disabled civilians? The truth is nobody knows. Police generally haven’t had to report how they use force, even in lethal incidents, so we rely on journalists and a few state agencies to generate data. Studies range from 27% (a low number focusing only on mental illness) to 81% (a high number lumping together mental illness and substance abuse). It is safe to say that a third to a half of all use-of force incidents involve a disabled civilian.

If accurate, that is a chilling statistic.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 13, 2020 • 11:16:45pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 13, 2020 • 11:19:01pm

re: #199 2020 Blue Wisconsin

I found this to be a really interesting read. It focuses more on the media/reporting side of police use-of-force vs disabled individuals but it had some very interesting conclusions such as:

If accurate, that is a chilling statistic.

Yup. I’m hearing impaired and autistic, and that’s been my biggest worry, even as a nonthreatening white person (judging by the many who ask me directions in my town.)

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Dread Pirate  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:35:02am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:41:41am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:44:40am

re: #203 Dave In Austin

Bringing back some familiar faces because Gramps’ mind is going.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:49:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 1:53:37am

re: #36 SteelPH

Whoosh, under the bus Barr goes?

not at all, this is just a ruse to “distance” himself from his Lord and Master

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 1:55:32am

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And Obama recommended to Trump he not hire John Kelly. That’s probably the only reason Trump did.

If only Obama had advised him not to jump out of Marine One after takeoff…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 1:59:50am

re: #90 The Pie Overlord!

Michigan Man is like Florida Man, but with snow!

An Equal Rights Hero

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 14, 2020 • 2:20:01am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 2:59:01am

More victory against Big Pharma and Government Interference in our Health Care Decisions!

Mumps cases hit decade high in England


“Research by a disgraced UK doctor falsely linking the vaccine to autism undoubtedly had an impact on uptake.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 14, 2020 • 3:17:33am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2020 • 4:26:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 4:28:40am

re: #212 Patricia Kayden

Because it is still seen by many as a “red flag” of anarcho-communism

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 4:57:27am

On 538’s tracker “nobody” has now tied Sanders at 37% chance of winning the Democratic nomination by the end of primary season. That doesn’t automatically mean a contested convention. Someone could get over 50% if they are endorsed by other candidates who release their delegates to vote for that person. Biden has dropped to 13%, while Bloomberg has moved up to 7%.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:12:41am

re: #204 Dr Lizardo

All hands on deck it seems.

I can mentally picture the scene now, with puppet strings, Kermit the Frog style arm control sticks, and prerecorded, Trump-worn audio samples in a total team effort at the next Trump White Power Gathering.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:17:13am

re: #190 2020 Blue Wisconsin

How is your kiddo doing this morning?

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:18:53am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:22:57am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m just shocked that Florida passed any measures that are actually helpful in keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous people.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:23:20am

re: #215 Florida Panhandler

All hands on deck it seems.

I can mentally picture the scene now, with puppet strings, Kermit the Frog style arm control sticks, and prerecorded, Trump-worn audio samples in a total team effort at the next Trump White Power Gathering.

Weekend at Donnies with white supremacists was not the remake anyone asked for.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:26:49am

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:27:18am

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A Mom Anon  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:33:48am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Fucking Andrew Wakefield. Gah. He and Jenny McCarthy make my skin crawl. And neither one will ever pay for the damage they have done.

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jeffreyw  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:34:47am

Uh Oh

Good morning!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:38:42am

re: #222 A Mom Anon

Fucking Andrew Wakefield. Gah. He and Jenny McCarthy make my skin crawl. And neither one will ever pay for the damage they have done.

They’ve done so much damage. Autism’s hard to understand as is and then people like them push shit that distorts what autism is. RFK Jr is another and I hate saying that because I consider his father a political hero of mine.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:43:24am

re: #222 A Mom Anon

Fucking Andrew Wakefield. Gah. He and Jenny McCarthy make my skin crawl. And neither one will ever pay for the damage they have done.

Well, that depends. For both of them they’re “not just the founder, I’m also a client”.

That means that particularly when they’re also actively destroying herd immunity, they become increasingly likely to be one of their favoured diseases’ casualties every year they continue to hang around. I can’t see how that’s not paying back some karmic debt, like Rush being unlikely to see March because he drank his own nicotine-laced kool-aid.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:46:11am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If only Obama had advised him not to jump out of Marine One after takeoff…

While I updinged, he might still survive that. I’d rather he’d have advised him not to jump out of Air Force One except that it might cause collateral damage to innocent passengers. Or more importantly to the pilots, considering that Nicolae Carpathia was prolly likelier to have innocent passengers on his plane.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:46:17am

re: #225 Chrysicat

Well, that depends. For both of them they’re “not just the founder, I’m also a client”.

That means that particularly when they’re also actively destroying herd immunity, they become increasingly likely to be one of their favoured diseases’ casualties every year they continue to hang around. I can’t see how that’s not paying back some karmic debt, like Rush being unlikely to see March because he drank his own nicotine-laced kool-aid.

We see a weird overlap between extreme anti-Big Pharma, anti-Western Medicine woo-woos and anti-Big Government, anti-science wingnuts. They have reached a mutually enhancing critical mass that is starting to cost lives with its toxic stupidity.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:46:37am

I can’t speak for others on the spectrum or with family but I was legitimately angered by RFK Jr likening life with autism to being in a concentration camp. I’ll be the first to say it. Life with HFA can bluntly speaking be a bitch but my experiences are near someone who is placed in a camp because of who they are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:48:59am

The GOP ratfucking strategy seems to involve getting Bernie up to a plurality of Democratic delegates and instigate a nasty convention floor fight so the press can stand back and a feeding frenzy on Disarrayed Democrats as they Veer Hard Left.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:56:56am

re: #228 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I can’t speak for others on the spectrum or with family but I was legitimately angered by RFK Jr likening life with autism to being in a concentration camp. I’ll be the first to say it. Life with HFA can bluntly speaking be a bitch but my experiences are near someone who is placed in a camp because of who they are.

Speaking as someone whom Trump, though maybe not Miller since we don’t know his views on moderate-to-low function or trans, prolly already is drawing up an itinerary for?

I fully have to agree. I still have access to my computer to communicate with people that I can do that with without being almost assured that being around them for more than a couple hours will likely make them and me both sicker than we went into the day. I don’t have to lose my mind because of a lack of near-constantly piping music to my ears, either (incidentally, that whole “make public spaces autism-friendly” initiative? There are also autism-spectrum folks for whom not enough sensory input is what’s painful and y’all are making us wear headphones everywhere except in the car, where we have the car stereo to rely on instead. You better not look at us as disrespectful to you for not always hearing the second you speak up now!)

I don’t know how long I’ll last in a camp even if they provide medications that I expect them to actively refuse to provide, because suicide may be more desirable at that point with my parents likely already having to clean up the mess in my room without my help.

I can prolly last another half-century unemployed, with autism, as long as no one nukes my parents’ stock-market fortune.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 14, 2020 • 5:59:09am

What will I ever do? I am losing something that I never had, nor desired.

Oh. Noes.
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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:01:29am

re: #231 Colère Tueur de Lapin

What will I ever do? I am losing something that I never had nor desired.

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Right now I think I am very glad that only in my deadname was I ever registered as a Republican.

Though I feel more guilty every year that the first vote I ever cast was for Buchanan in the ‘96 primary because I’d been manipulated by the kid from the Class of ‘94 that my gifted advisor had selected as “my best mentor” in ‘92.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:04:17am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:05:22am

re: #232 Chrysicat

Right now I think I am very glad that only in my deadname was I ever registered as a Republican.

Never was a registered repub; haven’t voted repub, ever. Unless it was a down ticket local and not sure if I’ve ever done that.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:06:08am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:06:36am

re: #233 Belafon

GMOD, come enact your will on us puny hairless ground-apes.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:12:49am

re: #234 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Never was a registered repub; haven’t voted repub, ever. Unless it was a down ticket local and not sure if I’ve ever done that.

Well, yes, but bear in mind that I was a millionaire’s kid, though in the local “government school”, who had a whole 4 Black kids in “his”, at the time, graduating class of five hundred and parents who were pretty sure that I could get into the highly-selective University of Denver with just one good year at community college.

Quite literally, political sanity was only going to come my way because I needed to transition, because otherwise the people I’d gone to high school with and continued to associate with after their various graduations would have reinforced first the “outwardly non-racial” conservatism of the 1990s Interior West, and eventually the full-on “bigotry is good” modern GOP.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:15:52am

Greets and saluts from the finally cold NYC metro area.

For the first time in weeks, we’re finally seeing temps actually below normal. The entire winter has been warmer than usual. Getting to a normal temperature was struggle. But this cold snap will last all of two days before returning to warmer than usual temps.

But that’s not pissing me off. It’s that media attention still focuses on the shiny bits that Trumpworld throws out there instead of on the true story - the only real story here.

Barr and Trump interfering in ongoing investigations, cases, and trials involving Trump’s cronies and those who were already properly convicted for the crimes for which they were tried. Barr is lying his ass off about how he didn’t influence the sentencing recommendation changes.

Who the fuck in the DOJ ordered the change then? Who pissed off the 4 Stone AUSAs? They provided a sentencing recommendation of 7-9 years, which was still low IMO given the nature of Stone’s crimes, his lack of remorse, and his utter disdain for the entire judicial process including ignoring gag orders and making threats against the judge. If he were a black guy, he’d have been in prison all along waiting for the trial to occur. Meanwhile, Trump lashed out about the recommendation and suddenly the recommendation was pulled and swapped out for something far less.

Who did that? Who?

Barr isn’t forthcoming and lying - this didn’t happen in a vacuum and everyone knows it. Trump tweeted and within hours, the recommendation was changed from the top levels of the DOJ. That’s entirely on Barr. But for doing his bidding, the recommendations would have stood.

They are actively interfering in the administration of justice and putting the thumbs on the rule of law to favor Trump’s cronies. Barr’s already shut down investigations into Trumpworld, because any effort would reveal widespread criminal conduct.

Barr is doing Trump’s bidding and Barr’s biggest concern is that he’s been forced to defend the indefensible in public, so he complains that Trump needs to lay off saying in public what everyone knows he’s saying behind closed doors to Barr and the rest of Trumpworld.

This is how crime syndicates work, and they are destroying the rule of law and shredding the Constitution in the process.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:16:59am

re: #234 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Never was a registered repub; haven’t voted repub, ever. Unless it was a down ticket local and not sure if I’ve ever done that.

I get calls, emails, texts, and letters from Trump supporting organizations and have no clue why. It’s remotely possible that I registered Republican in 1980 to vote for John Anderson in the primaries and there may have been some other time that I so registered in an off-year election to support a down-ticket candidate in a primary, but this would be several decades ago. Maybe they have purchased lists from some veterans’ charity that I contribute to and have assumed that veteran support is equivalent to Republican support.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:19:34am
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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:21:02am

re: #237 Chrysicat

And for that matter I was only still in a “government school” because in one of the first obvious signs of my autism, I’d managed to flunk an entrance interview for Colorado Academy in 1990.

Dad was born to a man whose relatives had never been to college; I was born middle class but his investment strategies and climbing with his employer had put a silver spoon in my mouth by age 11, even in the 80s energy recession (because he worked for a defense contractor, not an extractive industry).

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Dave In Austin  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:22:39am

Texas Peeps……..
texastribune.org

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:25:01am

re: #242 Dave In Austin

Texas Peeps……..
texastribune.org

Not in Texas, but still…

Ickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickick ickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickick
ickickickickickickick.

We have to force a brokered convention, unless we go on the assumption that Pete will actually somehow get enough SC delegates to leave him with a path to a first-ballot nomination after SC and then Super Tuesday, as well.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:28:19am

Remember that our Corporate Controlled Conservative Press wants four more years of Trump and they will gladly pump up Jeremy Corbyn, er The Old Fart With The Bad Heart. And when The Old Fart gets nominated out will come lots of dirt that the CCCP had on Bernie that they just didn’t get to during the nomination process.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:31:03am

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:33:27am
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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:36:14am

re: #246 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:37:14am

re: #243 Chrysicat

Not in Texas, but still…

Ickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickick ickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickickick
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We have to force a brokered convention, unless we go on the assumption that Pete will actually somehow get enough SC delegates to leave him with a path to a first-ballot nomination after SC and then Super Tuesday, as well.

We don’t actually. If Sanders gets a plurality then isn’t nominated that is precisely the kind of thing which will cause many of his supporters to stay home or vote 3rd party. I think we are better off if they are in the tent pissing out than the opposite.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:46:25am

re: #233 Belafon

Wait till you hear about Apophis, which is going to come a whole lot closer than that asteroid:

Apophis Asteroid - Apophis is Coming in 2029

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:47:43am

re: #230 Chrysicat

Speaking as someone whom Trump, though maybe not Miller since we don’t know his views on moderate-to-low function or trans, prolly already is drawing up an itinerary for?

I fully have to agree. I still have access to my computer to communicate with people that I can do that with without being almost assured that being around them for more than a couple hours will likely make them and me both sicker than we went into the day. I don’t have to lose my mind because of a lack of near-constantly piping music to my ears, either (incidentally, that whole “make public spaces autism-friendly” initiative? There are also autism-spectrum folks for whom not enough sensory input is what’s painful and y’all are making us wear headphones everywhere except in the car, where we have the car stereo to rely on instead. You better not look at us as disrespectful to you for not always hearing the second you speak up now!)

I don’t know how long I’ll last in a camp even if they provide medications that I expect them to actively refuse to provide, because suicide may be more desirable at that point with my parents likely already having to clean up the mess in my room without my help.

I can prolly last another half-century unemployed, with autism, as long as no one nukes my parents’ stock-market fortune.

I just wish employers realized we come in all forms. I’m not as sensitive to sound so much as I’m unexpected sound changes. I can blast my music fine. The problem imo is employers don’t understand hfa well at all.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:49:59am

re: #246 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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If only there was a governing body of 100 men and women from each state that can do something. Next you’ll tell me that they can do something crazy like reject his nominees or override his vetoes.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:51:09am

re: #249 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

This is what happens when you mess with the Goa’uld. Glad the Ancients came along and let us use some of their tech.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2020 • 6:56:58am

Ever since Mom’s funeral had to be on Valentine’s Day this has been a hard day to get thru. If Mom were still alive she’d be livid over Trump. She’d be angry enough to march in the streets even at the age of 98.

Had to take a vacation day today. Just thinking of you Mom.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:10:44am

re: #221 Patricia Kayden

“Circle gets the square!”
(I don’t think Trump appeared on Hollywood Squares, but…)
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Broad With Sass  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:17:26am

re: #177 2020 Blue Wisconsin

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William Lewis  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:18:19am

re: #177 2020 Blue Wisconsin

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:19:10am

re: #248 NO SMOCKING GUN!

We don’t actually. If Sanders gets a plurality then isn’t nominated that is precisely the kind of thing which will cause many of his supporters to stay home or vote 3rd party. I think we are better off if they are in the tent pissing out than the opposite.

That is why the GOP ratfuckers want to see a brokered convention. We have not experienced any such thing in recent memory, and whatever happens, it will be portrayed in the most critical and derogatory manner possible.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:19:38am

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

This dovetails with my own observations. Most of the people I’ve known with so called farms, ranches and orchards are really people trying to grow just enough to get the agricultural property tax rate.

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Amazing! I live in farm country, and most farms around here are BIG, thousands of acres, and they sure are trying to make money. I am boggled that so many are just in it for the tax rate. Real farming is hard work!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:24:15am

re: #258 retired cynic

Amazing! I live in farm country, and most farms around here are BIG, thousands of acres, and they sure are trying to make money. I am boggled that so many are just in it for the tax rate. Real farming is hard work!

because a lot of modern agriculture does not have to do with producing food for direct human consumption, it is about providing raw materials for an industrial process. Cotton and corn for ethanol are the most obvious examples, but also growing corn to be processed into liquid corn sugar syrup, something with no nutrient value at all beyond the calories it contains.

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Mescalero09  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:26:47am

re: #223 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

“STELLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAA!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:30:05am

re: #260 Mescalero09

“STELLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAA!”

AAAAAAAAAAAARTOIS!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:30:30am

I don’t mind Mayor Pete but let’s not kid ourselves. There ARE homophobes in the Democratic party who will NOT for that man specifically because he is gay.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:31:46am

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t mind Mayor Pete but let’s not kid ourselves. There ARE homophobes in the Democratic party who will NOT for that man specifically because he is gay.

Sad part is that the entire discussion will center around his sexuality and almost totally ignore his policies and goals…

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:32:10am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:32:24am

re: #234 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Never was a registered repub; haven’t voted repub, ever. Unless it was a down ticket local and not sure if I’ve ever done that.

I was when I was young and stupid.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:34:31am

re: #265 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I was when I was young and stupid.

We all make mistakes. I thought Kucinich was a good idea at one time.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:35:21am

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t mind Mayor Pete but let’s not kid ourselves. There ARE homophobes in the Democratic party who will NOT for that man specifically because he is gay.

Saw Biden to his credit speak up for him after Rush trashed him.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:36:48am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is why the GOP ratfuckers want to see a brokered convention. We have not experienced any such thing in recent memory, and whatever happens, it will be portrayed in the most critical and derogatory manner possible.

And the odds that noone will have the nomination sewn up by the end of the primaries just keeps going up. It would help if Biden dropped out before Super Tuesday and endorsed someone.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:36:57am

re: #265 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I was when I was young and stupid.

I registered once to vote in the Primaries, I was generally satisfied with the Democratic choices for governor of Arizona and voted for the Republican candidate I thought least likely to get a majority, an ex-Pontiac dealer named Evan Mecham.

Then an independent candidate split the Democratic vote and Mecham won on a plurality (the law has since been amended to require a majority).

He went on to be a total embarrassment to the state and eventually retired to avoid impeachment hearings.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:37:42am

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t mind Mayor Pete but let’s not kid ourselves. There ARE homophobes in the Democratic party who will NOT for that man specifically because he is gay.

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sad part is that the entire discussion will center around his sexuality and almost totally ignore his policies and goals…

Bernie - Socialist
Pete - Gay
Liz - Woman
Amy - Woman
Joe - His son

And yes, the discussion of Joe’s son will wear some people down, even though they should know better.

No matter who the nominee is, they will attack, and some people will be concerned. We are going to have to muster the discipline of Republicans for this elections, and in part that means propping each other up when it gets tough.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:38:53am

re: #270 Belafon

Bernie - Socialist
Pete - Gay
Liz - Woman
Amy - Woman
Joe - His son

And yes, the discussion of Joe’s son will wear some people down, even though they should know better.

No matter who the nominee is, they will attack, and some people will be concerned. We are going to have to muster the discipline of Republicans for this elections, and in part that means propping each other up when it gets tough.

This. No one is going to be immune from sleazy attacks.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:39:15am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:39:27am

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t mind Mayor Pete but let’s not kid ourselves. There ARE homophobes in the Democratic party who will NOT for that man specifically because he is gay.

But will they instead vote for an adulterous rapist? OTOH, I had trepidations in 2008 that America was too racist to elect a black man President. I was so glad to be wrong.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:40:25am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:41:01am

re: #270 Belafon

Bernie - Socialist
Pete - Gay
Liz - Woman Pocahontas
Amy - Woman
Joe - His son
Bloomberg: racist

just amended in a few places, but yes, that is all we are going to hear about.

And that is not just GOP agenda, it is now our modern press ticks. No substance, all buzzwords and triggering gut responses.

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:43:03am

re: #275 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

just amended in a few places, but yes, that is all we are going to hear about.

And that is not just GOP agenda, it is now our modern press ticks. No substance, all buzzwords and triggering gut responses.

Do you mean Bloomberg? DeBlasio dropped out long ago no?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:43:22am

What was that term from the 2008 election? Purity Pony?

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:45:31am

re: #256 William Lewis and 2020 Blue Wisconsin

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:46:01am

does no one in the media remember that just a few days ago Barr gave a speech castigating “liberal” prosecutors who go too easy in sentencing?

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:49:00am
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:49:25am

re: #279 Barefoot Grin

That only applies when prosecutors are going after nonwhites and Democrats.

But when a GOPer or rich fat-cat is involved, they get special treatment.

Those are the rules.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:49:27am

re: #276 danarchy

Do you mean Bloomberg? DeBlasio dropped out long ago no?

Gotta be.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:49:41am

re: #279 Barefoot Grin

does no one in the media remember that just a few days ago Barr gave a speech castigating “liberal” prosecutors who go too easy in sentencing?

He was only talking about sentences for brown people.

/ half

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:50:08am

re: #281 lawhawk

16 seconds. GMTA.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:50:56am

re: #274 lawhawk

You know, I keep on hearing how busy he is at his job but he seems more focused on the Democratic primary and the Stone sentencing than anything else. Our President is a troll.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:52:06am

Barr is just doing the same shit Trump does. Hard sentences for his enemies. And none at all for his allies. Law and order candidate my ass.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:57:20am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:58:13am

re: #283 Eclectic Cyborg

He was only talking about sentences for brown people.

/ half

The foundational principle of conservatism is that the ruling class are protected but not restrained by the law, while the underclass are restrained but not protected by the law.

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Semper Fi  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:58:28am

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t mind Mayor Pete but let’s not kid ourselves. There ARE homophobes in the Democratic party who will NOT for that man specifically because he is gay.

IMO, because of that fact, Mayor Pete, even with the final nomination will not win against Trump. I can imagine Donnie asking Americans: Who would you rather have in the White House, a First Man or our beautiful First Lady, Melania?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 7:59:41am

re: #288 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The foundational principle of conservatism is that the ruling class are protected but not restrained by the law, while the underclass are restrained but not protected by the law.

The WHITE ruling class. Important distinction.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:03:00am

re: #289 Semper Fi

IMO, because of that fact, Mayor Pete, even with the final nomination will not win against Trump. I can imagine Donnie asking Americans: Who would you rather have in the White House, a First Man or our beautiful First Lady, Melania?

Oh I can totally see Trump using Melania in contrast with Chasten. I’m not a big Pete fan but this would be totally on par for Trump and his allies to do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:06:19am

Trump will have an easier time against Bernie, Buttgieg or Bloomberg

He will probably better against Biden than against Amy or Liz,

that is going to shape GOP strategy when it comes to meddling with the nomination process.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:06:23am

Meanwhile in Nevada.
thenevadaindependent.com

Sigh. Nothing like a so called working class movement that bullies actual working class people for going with their conscience.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:06:49am

re: #192 Dread Pirate

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Hope they write a beautiful letter to inform tRump

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:08:22am

re: #289 Semper Fi

IMO, because of that fact, Mayor Pete, even with the final nomination will not win against Trump. I can imagine Donnie asking Americans: Who would you rather have in the White House, a First Man or our beautiful First Lady, Melania?

And Pete can ask “Do you really want to keep around the guy who cheated on his wife after she had their child?”

Of course we have homophobes in our party, just like we have people that kept Obama from getting elected.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:08:42am

re: #294 Eventual Carrion

Hope they write a beautiful letter to inform tRump

it will be attached as a note to the Valentine that Kim sends to Trump this year…

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:10:11am

re: #203 Dave In Austin

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Reached the bottom of the barrel and now have to pick up the ones that fell out of the barrel previously and were laying on the ground beside it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:10:19am

re: #295 Belafon

And Pete can ask “Do you really want to keep around the guy who cheated on his wife after she had their child?”

Of course we have homophobes in our party, just like we have people that kept Obama from getting elected.

Yep. I expect Trump to try shit like that but I think Pete can actually use that to his advantage. I really was glad to see Biden speak up on Pete. At the end of this, we’re going to need to rally around candidates throughout the nation. I don’t think Biden gets enough credit for the things he gets right.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:11:01am

But if we did get Mayor Pete and his husband the Christmas decorations would be fantastic.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:14:30am

Pete needs to work on his interaction with POC. But I bet Trump wouldn’t be the first time he’s had to deal with someone attacking him for being gay and being married.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:15:36am

There are virtually no voters in the “economically conservative but socially liberal” quadrant. The way to win is to emphasize popular programs, not preach about fiscal restraint; no-one cares.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:17:10am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:20:50am

re: #300 Belafon

Pete needs to work on his interaction with POC. But I bet Trump wouldn’t be the first time he’s had to deal with someone attacking him for being gay and being married.

Yeah i’m sure Pete would give a great response on that. I’m not worred about how he’ll handle it. I’m more upset that Trump will continue to bring down the dignity of the office by doing it himself or his allies. And this is why I don’t like hearing that Trump may not personally be homophobic. He’ll use homophbia if it will help him beat PEte and for that he is a homophobe.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:21:09am

“Do you know why we need to raise taxes on the rich? Because the people who are living paycheck to paycheck, the people working two jobs, the people working to provide for their family and hopefully have some left over shouldn’t be having to pay for the money the government is borrowing to make the rich richer.”

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:21:15am

re: #302 Eclectic Cyborg

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Some interesting grammar in there for an intelligent multimillionaire like the tweeter.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:21:17am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:21:48am

re: #301 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There are virtually no voters in the “economically conservative but socially liberal” quadrant. The way to win is to emphasize popular programs, not preach about fiscal restraint; no-one cares.

I myself feel in between the Biden establishment wing and the Warren/Sanders types. It’s why I liked a lot of the candidates that dropped out. I do think Biden is more progressive than people give him credit for though.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:23:06am

re: #306 Scottish Dragon

It’s a cult….
It’s a cult of…

It’s a cult of … personality.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:23:36am

re: #306 Scottish Dragon

Are we certain this isn’t just Lindsey Grahams vehicle?

/

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:24:42am

re: #309 Eclectic Cyborg

Are we certain this isn’t just Lindsey Grahams vehicle?

/

Nah Lindsay Graham’s vehicle has a TRUMP 2020 sticker but you can still see the McCain-Palin 08 bumper sticker that was on there before. It just wouldn’t come off. .

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:25:48am

re: #310 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Nah Lindsay Graham’s vehicle has a TRUMP 2020 sticker but you can still see the McCain-Palin 08 bumper sticker that was on there before. It just wouldn’t come off. .

and the burn marks on the front bumper from sniffing Trump’s tailpipe

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:26:54am

WTUF?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:27:40am

re: #311 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and the burn marks on the front bumper from sniffing Trump’s tailpipe

Really don’t want to think about Graham sniffing Trump’s ass so close to lunch.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:27:49am

re: #304 Belafon

“Do you know why we need to raise taxes on the rich? Because the people who are living paycheck to paycheck, the people working two jobs, the people working to provide for their family and hopefully have some left over shouldn’t be having to pay for the money the government is borrowing to make the rich richer.”

I’d be perfectly happy paying higher taxes for a strong social safety net that I hope I (and mine) will never need to get anywhere near. Not so much if paying higher taxes means the very wealthy get more through contracts to build walls and run prisons and the like.

One does not need to personally amass excess money if one feels secure. Not to say people don’t want to be wealthy for other reasons, but it would be nice if everyone could just relax a bit.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:28:35am

re: #312 Scottish Dragon

WTUF?

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I don’t like Bloomberg but this shit is legit intimidation.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:29:46am

re: #315 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t like Bloomberg but this shit is legit intimidation.

And yet stupid. They’re going to track people down and…? They won’t vote for your candidate? They wouldn’t anyway.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:30:15am

re: #314 calochortus

One does not need to personally amass excess money if one feels secure. Not to say people don’t want to be wealthy for other reasons, but it would be nice if everyone could just relax a bit.

The ideal middle/working class is of course one so insecure that they are willing to work their asses off and will tolerate other people being exploited as long as they can make ends meet…

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:31:20am

re: #312 Scottish Dragon

WTUF?

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Yeah, because every other candidate is so pure.

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b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:33:15am

re: #315 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t like Bloomberg but this shit is legit intimidation.

Another bullsh*t my way or you’re a horrible person preacher but just on a different subject.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:33:54am

re: #317 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The ideal middle/working class is of course one so insecure that they are willing to work their asses off and will tolerate other people being exploited as long as they can make ends meet…

Ideal to whom? You?

Certainly not to calochortus, or to me.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:33:56am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:34:14am

re: #319 b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)

Another bullsh*t my way or you’re a horrible person preacher but just on a different subject.

Yep.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:34:49am

re: #317 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The ideal middle/working class is of course one so insecure that they are willing to work their asses off and will tolerate other people being exploited as long as they can make ends meet…

Yeah. I know it’s not likely, especially in a large and diverse population, but wouldn’t more people be happier (and better behaved) if they had security, dignity and a path upward for their family? I know there are always people who will cheat the system and we need to deal with that, but a girl can dream.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:35:46am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is why the GOP ratfuckers want to see a brokered convention. We have not experienced any such thing in recent memory, and whatever happens, it will be portrayed in the most critical and derogatory manner possible.

We all remember the 1968 convention; what a shitshow (inside and out). That’s why the DNC instituted super-delegates in the first place.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:35:52am

re: #320 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Ideal to whom? You?

Certainly not to calochortus, or to me.

I think he meant to our elite overlords.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:36:00am

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:36:15am

re: #321 Scottish Dragon

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They have a very anti democratic element to them and I’ve been seeing it on Twitter and Facebook. And I don’t want to hear non sequiteurs about rat fucking. Between this and the Culinary Union’s treatment, there’s one campaign that I’m not inspired by at all.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:36:30am

re: #324 sagehen

We all remember the 1968 convention; what a shitshow (inside and out). That’s why the DNC instituted super-delegates in the first place.

1972.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:36:43am

re: #319 b.d. (Is Rush Dead Yet?)

Another bullsh*t my way or you’re a horrible person preacher but just on a different subject.

That guy previously made a tweet (since deleted) calling Democrats cucks.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:37:07am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because a lot of modern agriculture does not have to do with producing food for direct human consumption, it is about providing raw materials for an industrial process. Cotton and corn for ethanol are the most obvious examples, but also growing corn to be processed into liquid corn sugar syrup, something with no nutrient value at all beyond the calories it contains.

Doesn’t a lot of corn get turned into cattle feed?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:38:45am

re: #320 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Ideal to whom? You?

Certainly not to calochortus, or to me.

My ideal candidate is idealistic, inclusive, pragmatic, a leader, & a team player. Someone who understands that the diversity of the Democratic Party is its strength.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:39:56am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:40:53am

re: #329 Sherlock Hound

That guy previously made a tweet (since deleted) calling Democrats cucks.

That’s how I know someone isn’t worth my time. If you use cuck without irony or not in reference to Shakespeare.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:42:13am

re: #327 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They have a very anti democratic element to them and I’ve been seeing it on Twitter and Facebook. And I don’t want to hear non sequiteurs about rat fucking. Between this and the Culinary Union’s treatment, there’s one campaign that I’m not inspired by at all.

It’s a bizarre way of saying we’d all win if everyone would just vote for my guy/(candidate)

But only my guy. For some reason it wouldn’t work if everyone would just for any other guy

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:44:24am

re: #334 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

“You have a free choice—as long as it’s MY choice!”

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:44:33am

re: #334 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

It’s a bizarre way of saying we’d all win if everyone would just vote for my guy/(candidate)

But only my guy. For some reason it wouldn’t work if everyone would just for any other guy

Irrefutable logic!

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:45:17am

re: #334 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

It’s a bizarre way of saying we’d all win if everyone would just vote for my guy/(candidate)

But only my guy. For some reason it wouldn’t work if everyone would just for any other guy

Now they are actually threatening people. Like…we are going to remember you and come after you with doxing etc if you don’t vote the way we tell you, and by the way, we don’t even belong to your party but we are telling you what you have to do.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:49:12am

re: #332 Scottish Dragon

There is certainly a whiff of the Bolsheviks when it comes to Bernie’s supporters (not all of them, to be sure). It’s the same intransigent and fanatical attitude that famously characterized Lenin - the idea that he, personally, was the instrument of history, ruthlessly carrying out its iron will.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:49:57am

re: #325 calochortus

I think he meant to our elite overlords.

Actually, I meant please stop making up right-wing arguments. I’ve heard them before, and if I wanted to hear them again, I’d be on a different website.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:51:06am

… [J]ust when you thought it was over, you’re forced to choose between an unabashed white supremacist and a billionaire fugitive slave catcher who submitted a sealed bid for the presidency of the United States.

First, you try to get free.

When all else fails, you vote for Michael Bloomberg…

Michael Bloomberg is a white quadrillionaire with infinitely deep pockets and a record of getting shit done. Even if the “shit” he got done came at the expense of our sons and daughters, defeating Donald Trump is the most important factor in a lot of people’s decisions on who they will vote for. Michael Bloomberg’s rise isn’t a condemnation of the other candidates as much as it is an example that black people know white people better than anything else in the universe.

One of the biggest factors in a large number of black people’s primary voting criterion is who they think white people will vote for when the curtain closes behind them in the voting booth. We know Bernie has better policy plans. We know Elizabeth Warren is a better communicator. We have seen Buttigieg’s Douglass plan.

But we also know white people.

Donald Trump is proof of what they will do.

For many black people, the prospect of an unchecked, second-term white supremacist outweighs the choice between Medicare for All and a public option. It’s heavier than student loan forgiveness or foreign policy. It’s bigger than all of the economic proposals and tax plans combined. It’s not even that people don’t think the other Democratic candidates can defeat Donald Trump. We just don’t know if they can defeat the overwhelming self-interests of white people.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:51:59am

re: #339 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Actually, I meant please stop making up right-wing arguments. I’ve heard them before, and if I wanted to hear them again, I’d be on a different website.

Ah, the joys of nuance in written language. :)

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:52:39am

re: #337 Scottish Dragon

Now they are actually threatening people. Like…we are going to remember you and come after you with doxing etc if you don’t vote the way we tell you, and by the way, we don’t even belong to your party but we are telling you what you have to do.

Yeah I vote at home.
Ballot just arrived
How’s anyone gonna know who I voted for to rain retribution on me
The ‘threat’ is a waste of air

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:52:41am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

There is certainly a whiff of the Bolsheviks when it comes to Bernie’s supporters (not all of them, to be sure). It’s the same intransigent and fanatical attitude that famously characterized Lenin - the idea that he, personally, was the instrument of history, ruthlessly carrying out its iron will.

Exactly.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:53:35am

re: #342 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Yeah I vote at home.
Ballot just arrived
How’s anyone gonna know who I voted for to rain retribution on me
The ‘threat’ is a waste of air

They certainly seem determined.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:55:27am

re: #340 Belafon

Utterly damning.

Yes, I felt ashamed reading that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:57:27am

re: #345 Scottish Dragon

Utterly damning.

Yes, I felt ashamed reading that.

It’s heartbreaking. I don’t like Bloomberg at all but I understand why strategic voting exists.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:58:36am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

There is certainly a whiff of the Bolsheviks when it comes to Bernie’s supporters (not all of them, to be sure). It’s the same intransigent and fanatical attitude that famously characterized Lenin - the idea that he, personally, was the instrument of history, ruthlessly carrying out its iron will.

Yeah and that’s why I want them to fail.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:58:51am

re: #340 Belafon

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What I said yesterday
The longer term view and goals are important however most of that stuff will not be doable in the next 4 years. Focusing too much on that will fracture us as we chase aspirations.

vs

A strategy that will certainty defeat the asshole

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 14, 2020 • 8:59:06am
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calochortus  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:00:18am

Coffee fully consumed. Time to pretend I’m doing something constructive.
Laterz, all.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:00:41am

re: #344 Scottish Dragon

They certainly seem determined.

So what? Focus on visible volunteers staff and active supporters?
Yeah that’s a winner look to have

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:01:21am

I just feel awful for minority voters because so few of them have voted and the PoC candidates except Tulsi had a lot to offer.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:01:41am

Interesting thread. Having unlimited money gives you a lot of power.

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ericblair  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:03:59am

re: #340 Belafon

For many black people, the prospect of an unchecked, second-term white supremacist outweighs the choice between Medicare for All and a public option. It’s heavier than student loan forgiveness or foreign policy. It’s bigger than all of the economic proposals and tax plans combined. It’s not even that people don’t think the other Democratic candidates can defeat Donald Trump. We just don’t know if they can defeat the overwhelming self-interests of white people.

There seems to be a number of people with a lot of difficulty understanding this. You may need to fix the roof of your house to make sure it doesn’t fall in and replace the furnace before it breaks, but the first thing you have to do is get the chainsaw-wielding maniac out of the living room.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:04:37am

re: #346 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s heartbreaking. I don’t like Bloomberg at all but I understand why strategic voting exists.

I don’t dislike Bloomberg
And I am warming
He’s as likeable or not as all the rest
He’s got 2-3 major flaws, like all the rest, just his own, different ones
And he’s got strengths like all the rest, some same some different ones there too

He’s not markedly better or worse than say the other top 6 (imo)
So far

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:05:00am

re: #351 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

So what? Focus on visible volunteers staff and active supporters?
Yeah that’s a winner look to have

That’s my point.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:06:47am

The most important thing to do this election is to get out and vote. I have seen quite a few people singing up individuals to vote for the primary. And while some folks think a primary is not a real election it is. GOTV should be the main objective for the upcoming general election.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:09:20am

re: #354 ericblair

There seems to be a number of people with a lot of difficulty understanding this. You may need to fix the roof of your house to make sure it doesn’t fall in and replace the furnace before it breaks, but the first thing you have to do is get the chainsaw-wielding maniac out of the living room.

The issue is Bloomberg brings many of the same problems as Trump and may be even worse in some respects, since he is actually competent. If billionaires are buying elected office, we are back to the 1870’s but with a vastly strengthened executive that is essentially now above the law. Billionaire pols are an existential threat to representative democracy.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:09:30am

re: #353 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Interesting thread. Having unlimited money gives you a lot of power.

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That is so much worse than I was afraid of. We wondered what would happen if DT was smart and competent?

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:10:29am

re: #358 Scottish Dragon

The issue is Bloomberg brings many of the same problems as Trump and may be even worse in some respects, since he is actually competent. If billionaires are buying elected office, we are back to the 1870’s but with a vastly strengthened executive that is essentially now above the law. Billionaire pols are an existential threat to representative democracy.

GMTA

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:10:29am

And on today’s episode of ‘…the hell??’

I’ll admit I’m not up on Russian customs, but that’s a little icky….

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:11:29am

re: #354 ericblair

There seems to be a number of people with a lot of difficulty understanding this. You may need to fix the roof of your house to make sure it doesn’t fall in and replace the furnace before it breaks, but the first thing you have to do is get the chainsaw-wielding maniac out of the living room.

+1

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:11:43am

re: #359 retired cynic

That is so much worse than I was afraid of. We wondered what would happen if DT was smart and competent?

Yeah and threat mentions Bloomberg has put together an “Elite” team.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:12:07am

re: #355 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

I don’t dislike Bloomberg
And I am warming
He’s as likeable or not as all the rest
He’s got 2-3 major flaws, like all the rest, just his own, different ones
And he’s got strengths like all the rest, some same some different ones there too

He’s not markedly better or worse than say the other top 6 (imo)
So far

I’ll vote for him but there’s a lot that turns me off him as a candidate. That said, he’s in for better or worse and he does use his ads only to go after Trump. I just never thought we would be down to him or Bernie against Trump. Democrats do our best when we offer a fresh voice. JFK, Carter, Clinton, & Obama attest to that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:13:37am

re: #364 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ll vote for him but there’s a lot that turns me off him as a candidate. That said, he’s in for better or worse and he does use his ads only to go after Trump. I just never thought we would be down to him or Bernie against Trump. Democrats do our best when we offer a fresh voice. JFK, Carter, Clinton, & Obama attest to that.

I’m still hoping Warren or Klobuchar get more traction.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:13:39am

re: #355 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

I don’t dislike Bloomberg
And I am warming
He’s as likeable or not as all the rest
He’s got 2-3 major flaws, like all the rest, just his own, different ones
And he’s got strengths like all the rest, some same some different ones there too

He’s not markedly better or worse than say the other top 6 (imo)
So far

It will be very interesting to see whay he has to say in the debate. I don’t know what his stand on any issues are specifically.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:14:03am

re: #357 PhillyPretzel

The most important thing to do this election is to get out and vote. I have seen quite a few people singing up individuals to vote for the primary. And while some folks think a primary is not a real election it is. GOTV should be the main objective for the upcoming general every single election.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:14:28am

One thing I like about Bloomberg: He’s focusing a lot his energy on attacking TRUMP and NOT other Democratic candidates.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:14:29am

re: #358 Scottish Dragon

The issue is Bloomberg brings many of the same problems as Trump and may be even worse in some respects, since he is actually competent. If billionaires are buying elected office, we are back to the 1870’s but with a vastly strengthened executive that is essentially now above the law. Billionaire pols are an existential threat to representative democracy.

And I don’t think Bloomberg is perfect, but at least he’s shown he’s willing to listen to Abrams. But, as the article says, it’s not about the nominee as much as the people who vote.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:14:37am

re: #361 makeitstop

And on today’s episode of ‘…the hell??’

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I’ll admit I’m not up on Russian customs, but that’s a little icky….

I know Russian adult men do the kiss greeting similar to Arab and Italian men but I dunno about the belly kiss thing. It does make his constantly saying gays are predators all the more absurd tho.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:14:58am

re: #365 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still hoping Warren or Klobuchar get more traction.

Ditto.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:15:56am

re: #358 Scottish Dragon

The issue is Bloomberg brings many of the same problems as Trump and may be even worse in some respects, since he is actually competent. If billionaires are buying elected office, we are back to the 1870’s but with a vastly strengthened executive that is essentially now above the law. Billionaire pols are an existential threat to representative democracy.

Who was the last President who was actually middle class? Truman? Carter?

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:16:13am

But, a big problem with him running is that he’s further cutting into the not-Bernie group.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:17:37am

re: #372 The Pie Overlord!

Who was the last President who was actually middle class? Truman? Carter?

The Clintons were actually fairly modest when they first ran in 1992.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:18:07am

re: #359 retired cynic

That is so much worse than I was afraid of. We wondered what would happen if DT was smart and competent?

But at least Bloomberg recognizes that the government exists for some purpose other than enriching himself, and climate change is a real issue that must be addressed. He is what Trump claimed to be; a self-made man beholden to no-one, whereas Trump belongs to Putin.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:18:15am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:18:49am

re: #366 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It will be very intetesting to see whay he has to say in the debate. I don’t know what his stand on any issues are specifically.

Yes. I wave to know how he will differentiate himself.

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ericblair  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:19:58am

re: #358 Scottish Dragon

The issue is Bloomberg brings many of the same problems as Trump and may be even worse in some respects, since he is actually competent. If billionaires are buying elected office, we are back to the 1870’s but with a vastly strengthened executive that is essentially now above the law. Billionaire pols are an existential threat to representative democracy.

I’ve already voted and didn’t vote for him: I voted for Warren. But that’s not the point: if the big-ass dog you got to get rid of the chainsaw-wielding maniac in the living room might turn on you afterwards, you will probably decide that you’ll deal with that later if it happens. Chainsaw-wielding maniac out, now.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:20:22am

re: #376 The Pie Overlord!

Those roses are beautiful.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:20:40am

Charlie Pierce: So Trump Basically Confessed to the Ukraine Charges
Just in case anyone is still interested in things like presidential abuse of power.

God’s truth, some people actually believe that Barr has gone rogue, and that this represents some turning point in the administration*’s relationship with its lapdog DOJ. Barr is simply reminding the president* that the first rule of cover-ups is nobody talks about the cover-ups.

And here’s Mitch McConnell, pretending to be mightily distressed at the president*’s Twitter behavior, also from The Hill:

“If the Attorney General says it is getting in the way of him doing his job, maybe the president should listen to the Attorney General,” McConnell added, asked if he didn’t like the president’s tweets. Barr said during an interview with ABC News that he thought it was “time to stop tweeting” about DOJ criminal cases — a rare break with Trump.

Fools and tools, the lot of them. And they think we are, too.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:21:45am

I’m hoping he’s not the candidate. His two biggest appeals are that he can run a large government and that he doesn’t need loans from Deutchbank. But I’m a straight white male and my biggest fears are for those around me, not me. So I can understand why some might start thinking about him.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:22:31am

re: #372 The Pie Overlord!

Who was the last President who was actually middle class? Truman? Carter?

Good question…but none of those we’ve had in the last one hundred years had anything like the kind of distorting wealth that Bloomberg (or the Kochs) have. None of them could feasibly buy an election. Bloomberg is the first in a very long time who has that kind of money to play with on a national scale…and that’s a real bad thing.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:22:33am

re: #373 Belafon

But, a big problem with him running is that he’s further cutting into the not-Bernie group.

I think the not Bernie group needs to find someone to rally around. They outnumber him.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:22:55am

St Pete pol
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Florida shows Michael Bloomberg leading the Democratic primary race with 27%, followed by Joe Biden at 26%, Pete Buttigieg at 11%, Bernie Sanders at 10%, Amy Klobuchar at 9% and Elizabeth Warren at 5%.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:23:13am

Cue another round of screaming from Comrade Combover:

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:23:38am

re: #378 ericblair

I’ve already voted and didn’t vote for him: I voted for Warren. But that’s not the point: if the big-ass dog you got to get rid of the chainsaw-wielding maniac in the living room might turn on you afterwards, you will probably decide that you’ll deal with that later if it happens. Chainsaw-wielding maniac out, now.

What if we are just exchanging villains? Get rid of the chainsaw guy and end up with Hannibal Lector? It isn’t an improvement.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:24:20am

re: #386 Scottish Dragon

What if we are just exchanging villains? Get rid of the chainsaw guy and end up with Hannibal Lector? It isn’t an improvement.

Hannibal at least helped Clarice.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:25:08am

re: #382 Scottish Dragon

Good question…but none of those we’ve had in the last one hundred years had anything like the kind of distorting wealth that Bloomberg (or the Kochs) have. None of them could feasibly buy an election. Bloomberg is the first in a very long time who has that kind of money to play with on a national scale…and that’s a real bad thing.

It’s a consequence of the money equals speech mindset that hurt campaign finance reform. We’re left with big names and big money. Not much room for others. Hate to say it but Obama 2020 may have had a more difficult time than Obama 2008.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:25:24am

re: #385 Targetpractice

Cue another round of screaming from Comrade Combover:

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And what does this do to the Q-ball timetable?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:25:27am

re: #387 Belafon

Hannibal at least helped Clarice.

Heh

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:25:27am

re: #379 PhillyPretzel

Those roses are beautiful.

Z thinks Valentine’s Day is bullshit but he bought me flowers like he does every week even though I warned him that bouquets are doubled in price on V-Day and M-Day.

I’m making a strawberry cheesecake pie. There will be photos once the pie cools down and I layer on the strawberries.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:26:44am

re: #382 Scottish Dragon

Good question…but none of those we’ve had in the last one hundred years had anything like the kind of distorting wealth that Bloomberg (or the Kochs) have. None of them could feasibly buy an election. Bloomberg is the first in a very long time who has that kind of money to play with on a national scale…and that’s a real bad thing.

Bloomberg is buying a huge national organization for sure. And a talented one.

He’s going to have to sell/convince to earn the votes, like everyone else

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:27:25am

re: #365 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still hoping Warren or Klobuchar get more traction.

Yep.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:27:33am

Strawberry Cheesecake > Flowers

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:27:48am

re: #387 Belafon

Hannibal at least helped Clarice.

And then he ate poor Sgt Pembry without Chianti and fava beans.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:27:51am

Some news:

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:28:18am

re: #385 Targetpractice

Cue another round of screaming from Comrade Combover:

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Justice Dept investigates all the wrong people//

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:28:56am

re: #396 Flying Squirrel Girl

Some news:

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Oh I just heard a rage from the east. Could just be my belly.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:30:35am

re: #354 ericblair

There seems to be a number of people with a lot of difficulty understanding this. You may need to fix the roof of your house to make sure it doesn’t fall in and replace the furnace before it breaks, but the first thing you have to do is get the chainsaw-wielding maniac out of the living room.

My first economics lesson was my dad explaining to me (at about age 8) that you can tell how much power somebody has by the time-scale of their budgets.

There’s people you see on a National Geographic documentary whose “budget” goes about 6 hours — how do I get a drink of water, where can I get dinner tonight.

Minimum wage Americans, or people on public assistance, budget from one check to the next. Can I cover the rent, can I get a bag of groceries.

Middle-class Americans’ budget includes Christmas Club, or next summer’s vacation.

Upper middle-class Americans are budgeting for their kids education, or their own retirement.

And the very very wealthy… they’re planning for their great-grandchildren’s trust funds.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:30:50am

The Kentucky primary is in May, so all I can do is wait and see who has a realistic shot at the nomination when the time comes. I don’t want a contested convention, so I’ll likely vote for whoever is leading, whether it’s Sanders, Bloomberg or whoever.

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ericblair  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:32:13am

re: #386 Scottish Dragon

What if we are just exchanging villains? Get rid of the chainsaw guy and end up with Hannibal Lector? It isn’t an improvement.

What if we are? This is what happens with existential crises.

As a broader point, this is what really happens when people try to heighten the contradictions, and decide the-worse-the-better. Real positive change happens best with consistent improvement, and supporting the next best thing, rather than pitching a fit if you don’t get what you want.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:34:50am

Ya think?

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William Lewis  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:34:52am

re: #358 Scottish Dragon

The issue is Bloomberg brings many of the same problems as Trump and may be even worse in some respects, since he is actually competent. If billionaires are buying elected office, we are back to the 1870’s but with a vastly strengthened executive that is essentially now above the law. Billionaire pols are an existential threat to representative democracy.

Objection: Presumes representative democracy still lives. It got a bullet to the base of the skull with Citizens United. Now it’s just a matter of which overlord we’re going to swear our fealty to.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:36:05am

A small and thoroughly evil man

“If you’re asking me a hypothetical about whether this Republican Senate would confirm a member of the Supreme Court due to a vacancy created this year — yeah, we would fill it.”

— Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), on Fox News

.

Every election, every race matters

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:37:05am

re: #403 William Lewis

Objection: Presumes representative democracy still lives. It got a bullet to the base of the skull with Citizens United. Now it’s just a matter of which overlord we’re going to swear our fealty to.

I, for one, cannot wait to greet our new pinniped overlords.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:37:06am

re: #404 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

A small and thoroughly evil man

.

Every election, every race matters

A principle lacking chode.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:37:19am

re: #372 The Pie Overlord!

Obama and Clinton were both middle class. Obama’s book propelled him into the upper class.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:38:54am

re: #403 William Lewis

Objection: Presumes representative democracy still lives. It got a bullet to the base of the skull with Citizens United. Now it’s just a matter of which overlord we’re going to swear our fealty to.

We might look back on Obama as the last truly democratic president if we don’t fix some of this shit. It is a shame, yes a shame that Gabbard, Yang, & Steyer made it to Iowa but Harris, Castro, & Booker did not. Beto too,

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:39:10am

re: #353 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Interesting thread. Having unlimited money gives you a lot of power.

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Operation Rabbit - Fight fire with fire

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:39:40am

re: #407 lawhawk

Obama and Clinton were both middle class. Obama’s book propelled him into the upper class.

I read Michelle’s over the summer. It was as good as Barack’s.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:43:24am

re: #388 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s a consequence of the money equals speech mindset that hurt campaign finance reform. We’re left with big names and big money. Not much room for others. Hate to say it but Obama 2020 may have had a more difficult time than Obama 2008.

Also, if the GOP sees they don’t have a monopoly on spending their way into office they might possibly start viewing such as not as good as they thought it was and maybe think some finance limitations are in order. And maybe enough to push the courts towards deciding that there need to be limits as well.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:43:25am

re: #366 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It will be very intetesting to see whay he has to say in the debate. I don’t know what his stand on any issues are specifically.

He’s spent a lot of money, over many many years, trying to reduce the use of fossil fuels. Pushing gun control. Health initiatives — making health-care accessible for low income people, and he’s the main reason you can’t smoke in restaurants or offices anymore. Cleaning up public parks, and building new ones (and bike lanes, and transforming high-traffic intersections into pedestrian plazas for all the non-snowy months). He’s spoken frequently and vehemently in favor of immigration, and he’s super pro-choice.

As a general rule of thumb — he favors and opposes pretty much the same list of policies as a reform rabbi.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:43:57am

I’ll vote for the nominee against Trump. But I also want to destroy the conditions that made him possible.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:44:03am

Trump will try to sic Barr on Mccabe, I guarantee you.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:44:57am

re: #408 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We might look back on Obama as the last truly democratic president if we don’t fix some of this shit. It is a shame, yes a shame that Gabbard, Yang, & Steyer made it to Iowa but Harris, Castro, & Booker did not. Beto too,

I’m not promoting Bloomberg as such
Part of my problem is assuming money by definition equals evil intentions in all cases

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:46:52am

re: #415 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

I’m not promoting Bloomberg as such
Part of my problem is assuming money by definition equals evil intentions in all cases

Well, you want to avoid dictators. Benevolent ones are a possibility, but also are probably not worth the risk.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:47:18am

re: #415 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

I’m not promoting Bloomberg as such
Part of my problem is assuming money by definition equals evil intentions in all cases

Otherwise vote blue no matter who and kick the bastards out

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:47:22am

re: #415 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

I’m not promoting Bloomberg as such
Part of my problem is assuming money by definition equals evil intentions in all cases

Oh I’m not saying he’s evil. I’m just saying it’s disappointing how things have turned out.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:47:37am

re: #382 Scottish Dragon

Good question…but none of those we’ve had in the last one hundred years had anything like the kind of distorting wealth that Bloomberg (or the Kochs) have. None of them could feasibly buy an election. Bloomberg is the first in a very long time who has that kind of money to play with on a national scale…and that’s a real bad thing.

I dunno… JFK’s dad had that kind of money. So did the Roosevelts.

Noblesse oblige is what kept them from being assholes with it.

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CleverToad  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:47:46am

re: #253 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ever since Mom’s funeral had to be on Valentine’s Day this has been a hard day to get thru. If Mom were still alive she’d be livid over Trump. She’d be angry enough to march in the streets even at the age of 98.

Had to take a vacation day today. Just thinking of you Mom.

{{{Joe}}}

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:48:59am

re: #416 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Well, you want to avoid dictators. Benevolent ones are a possibility, but also are probably not worth the risk.

If it’s Bloomberg, at 78 hes a stepping stone

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:50:58am

re: #253 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ever since Mom’s funeral had to be on Valentine’s Day this has been a hard day to get thru. If Mom were still alive she’d be livid over Trump. She’d be angry enough to march in the streets even at the age of 98.

Had to take a vacation day today. Just thinking of you Mom.

dad died on mom’s birthday.
It’s never quite been the same since

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:54:59am
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sagehen  Feb 14, 2020 • 9:56:28am

re: #415 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

I’m not promoting Bloomberg as such
Part of my problem is assuming money by definition equals evil intentions in all cases

Bill Gates.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:01:03am

re: #424 sagehen

Bill Gates.

How do you separate them in terms of how they spend their money once they have it as compared to how they got it in the first place?

From what I’ve read Gates was quite the bastard getting all his money. Same can be said for Andrew Carnegie for instance.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:05:36am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:06:25am

re: #425 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

How do you separate them in terms of how they spend their money once they have it as compared to how they got it in the first place?

From what I’ve read Gates was quite the bastard getting all his money. Same can be said for Andrew Carnegie for instance.

Honestly I don’t think you CAN get rich without being an asshole from time to time, unless of course we’re talking about inherited wealth.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:06:30am

To late, it’s conservative canon now

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:07:28am

re: #426 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

So Barr can have an “outside prosecutor” but the Democrats using Robert Muller as Special Counsel was OVERREACH!

/

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:08:52am

re: #428 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

To late, it’s conservative canon now

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That’s why “jokes” like this are so dangerous. I understand the guy meant it in jest but it’s crazy to be taking chances like that given todays cultural landscape. Even the stupidest, most outlandish fake claims can cause serious harm to people (see also: Pizzagate). Restraint is needed.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:09:13am

re: #428 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

To late, it’s conservative canon now

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Meanwhile SHS’s brother really did torture a dog.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:09:38am

No wrongdoing, despite the howler monkeys screeching inside Trump’s brain and amplified by the shit slingers in the right wing fever swamps.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:09:53am

re: #431 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Meanwhile SHS’s brother really did torture a dog.

Jesus forgave him

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:10:25am

re: #430 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s why “jokes” like this are so dangerous. I understand the guy meant it in jest but it’s crazy to be taking chances like that given todays cultural landscape. Even the stupidest, most outlandish fake claims can cause serious harm to people (see also: Pizzagate). Restraint is needed.

It’s stupid edgelord douche humor.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:10:48am

re: #433 Joe Bacon 🌹

Jesus forgave him

Yeah but Dog didn’t.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:11:32am

re: #432 lawhawk

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No wrongdoing, despite the howler monkeys screeching inside Trump’s brain and amplified by the shit slingers in the right wing fever swamps.

So they’ve jerked him around for months, dragged his name through the mud, only to admit at the end that they don’t have a case against him.

My recommendation at this time would be for his lawyers to consider suing to get his pension restored to full.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:12:20am

re: #436 Targetpractice

So they’ve jerked him around for months, dragged his name through the mud, only to admit at the end that they don’t have a case against him.

My recommendation at this time would be for his lawyers to consider suing to get his pension restored to full.

They have.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:14:20am

re: #437 Scottish Dragon

They have.

Ah, you’re right, my mind is shot.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:15:00am

re: #436 Targetpractice

Trump’s a vindictive little impeached treasonweasel.

And what we do know about Trumpworld is this:

Every fucking investigation into Trumpworld has yielded a finding of criminal behavior. Every last one.

Mueller found it in spades. SDNY found more. NYS found still more.

It’s a crime syndicate all the way down.

But Trump figures that the GOP will protect him no matter the cost, and with Barr lying for him, he thinks he’s above the law.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:15:13am

re: #438 Targetpractice

lol, “phuckton”. I am totally stealing that.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:19:35am

re: #432 lawhawk

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No wrongdoing, despite the howler monkeys screeching inside Trump’s brain and amplified by the shit slingers in the right wing fever swamps.

I’m sitting here laughing at the memories of sitting in the Panamanian jungle, over self medicated on prednisone and tobacco (chain smoking Pall Malls), having a screaming match with a seriously obnoxious troop of howler monkeys because they kept picking these tiny fruits off the trees, taking a single bite, then throwing them down at us

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:19:44am

re: #439 lawhawk

DT wants more. This is from The Washington Post:
washingtonpost.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:19:46am

McCabe I remember because his wife ran for office here. Trump made a big deal about that but the guy who she lost to was a martial rape denying and Assad letter writing right wing ass who Virginia Dems wanted gone for years.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:20:56am

re: #403 William Lewis

Objection: Presumes representative democracy still lives. It got a bullet to the base of the skull with Citizens United. Now it’s just a matter of which overlord we’re going to swear our fealty to.

In a battle between monsters, you have to root for Godzilla, even if you prefer there be no monsters at all.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:21:22am

re: #442 PhillyPretzel

Barr’s doing that for him - actively interfering in the Flynn case. He’s brought in other prosecutors to review the Flynn case. It’s all interference all the time from Trumpworld.

Barr would prefer to do this from the shadows, but Trump gives away the game.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:22:39am
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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:23:43am

re: #439 lawhawk

Trump’s a vindictive little impeached treasonweasel.

And what we do know about Trumpworld is this:

Every fucking investigation into Trumpworld has yielded a finding of criminal behavior. Every last one.

Mueller found it in spades. SDNY found more. NYS found still more.

It’s a crime syndicate all the way down.

But Trump figures that the GOP will protect him no matter the cost, and with Barr lying for him, he thinks he’s above the law.

Meanwhile, every “investigation” started under Sessions and Barr to look for something to charge his enemies with has turned up empty. And despite years of efforts, he has totally failed to undermine the rationale for the investigations into Russia and into him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:24:13am

Of course Trump loved stop and frisk.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:26:22am

re: #447 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, every “investigation” started under Sessions and Barr to look for something to charge his enemies with has turned up empty. And despite years of efforts, he has totally failed to undermine the rationale for the investigations into Russia and into him.

Won’t stop Fox or the Screw York Times from making up more lies for Trump!

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:27:13am

re: #446 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Every GOPer and even the NYPD and the PBA claimed (and continue to claim) that stopping stop and frisk in NYC would result in a spike in crime and a return to the 1980s with endemic crime.

Turns out that it all bluster and bulkshit.

Crime rates continued to fall. Murder and violent crimes are continuing to drop to record lows. Per capita crimes are dropping as well. Sex assaults are up, but that’s due in no small part to fact that more people are coming forward to press charges than in prior periods.

Overall, stop and frisk didn’t make the city safer, but it did result in harassing minorities to a tremendous degree.

They’re now making similar arguments about bail reform resulting in a massive spike in crime, but that’s not clear from just a few weeks of data. Even with that - homicides are still down. Even the recent incidents where an ex con fired on cops (once while the cops were in a vehicle, and the other while inside a police station) reveal the need for stronger gun control than bail reform.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:27:49am

re: #449 Joe Bacon 🌹

Won’t stop Fox or the Screw York Times from making up more lies for Trump!

Speaking of which, expect Faux to lose their little minds over this latest loss. More screams about “DEEP STATE!!!!” and perhaps even calls for Barr’s resignation.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:27:52am

re: #287 lawhawk

I love it when people don’t know the law and claim to speak for it on behalf of others.

Wrong.

She’s even got the answer in her wrong answer. Disabled citizens who cannot mark a paper ballot can have another mark the ballot on their behalf. That person is required to sign such a ballot.

If paper ballots violated “federal law” (I assume the ADA), then no paper ballots could be used anywhere in the country.

I can imagine a scenario where a voter could not use a “voting app” (gods, what a dumb idea). What’s the accommodation for that?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:29:39am

re: #452 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I love it when people don’t know the law and claim to speak for it on behalf of others.

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Wrong.

She’s even got the answer in her wrong answer. Disabled citizens who cannot mark a paper ballot can have another mark the ballot on their behalf. That person is required to sign such a ballot.

If paper ballots violated “federal law” (I assume the ADA), then no paper ballots could be used anywhere in the country.

I can imagine a scenario where a voter could not use a “voting app” (gods, what a dumb idea). What’s the accommodation for that?

If you can’t check a box on a paper ballot, how can you push a button?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:29:48am

re: #452 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Because paper ballots are totally infallible.

Anyone remember “hanging chads”???

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:30:18am

re: #450 lawhawk

Every GOPer and even the NYPD and the PBA claimed (and continue to claim) that stopping stop and frisk in NYC would result in a spike in crime and a return to the 1980s with endemic crime.

Turns out that it all bluster and bulkshit.

Crime rates continued to fall. Murder and violent crimes are continuing to drop to record lows. Per capita crimes are dropping as well. Sex assaults are up, but that’s due in no small part to fact that more people are coming forward to press charges than in prior periods.

Overall, stop and frisk didn’t make the city safer, but it did result in harassing minorities to a tremendous degree.

They’re now making similar arguments about bail reform resulting in a massive spike in crime, but that’s not clear from just a few weeks of data. Even with that - homicides are still down. Even the recent incidents where an ex con fired on cops (once while the cops were in a vehicle, and the other while inside a police station) reveal the need for stronger gun control than bail reform.

And before “stop and frisk,” it was the ending of “broken windows” policing that was supposedly going to turn NYC into Lord of the Flies. Meanwhile, the NYPD seem bound and determined to burn totally through their post-9/11 quota of good will from the city by coming up with excuse after excuse about why they can’t do their jobs without beating up on minorities and the poor.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:30:23am

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

And dimpled chads too.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:30:36am

re: #330 sagehen

Doesn’t a lot of corn get turned into cattle feed?

Around here in my area of NW PA it does. I know of many acre of corn that that is what it is meant for. The farmers either uses it themselves for their cows or sell/trade it to other farmers for theirs.We also have many acre around here dedicated to hay for feed and straw for bedding. Huge rolls of hay line many fields all over.

Soy growers around here usually grow it for sale. There are also farmers that grow different strains of corn for human consumption, but I think most around here is for livestock feed meal of some kind or another.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:30:50am

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

Because paper ballots are totally infallible.

Anyone remember “hanging chads”???

No hole punching. Just check a box next to the name of your candidate.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:31:08am

re: #277 Eclectic Cyborg

What was that term from the 2008 election? Purity Pony?

PUMA (Party Unity My Ass), Clinton voters who refused to vote for Obama in the General Election.

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William Lewis  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:31:09am

re: #444 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In a battle between monsters, you have to root for Godzilla, even if you prefer there be no monsters at all.

Oh agreed. I would rather the competent Godzilla defeat the mango monster as well. Perhaps then, in 4 or 8 years monsters can all walk back out into the ocean and never return… but I doubt it.

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Citizen K  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:31:45am

The impetus from folks to “both sides same thing” things, while simultaneously insisting that the Dems are being worse and/or not being held accountable continues to frustrate the fuck out of me. This is how the GOP gets away with fucking everything, even when they’re being openly corrupt and evil.

People still somehow think that Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Loretta Lynch didn’t get shit on enough for that chance meeting while Barr is literally and opnely using the DoJ as a personal legal firm and harassment arm of Trump Enterprises, with the media treating the latter as oh-so-fucking-normal.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:33:10am

re: #461 Citizen K

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The impetus from folks to “both sides same thing” things, while simultaneously insisting that the Dems are being worse and/or not being held accountable continues to frustrate the fuck out of me. This is how the GOP gets away with fucking everything, even when they’re being openly corrupt and evil.

People still somehow think that Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Loretta Lynch didn’t get shit on enough for that chance meeting while Barr is literally and opnely using the DoJ as a personal legal firm and harassment arm of Trump Enterprises, with the media treating the latter as oh-so-fucking-normal.

Its infuriating.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:33:17am

My mentions are probably going to blow up.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:33:20am

re: #452 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Paper ballots don’t violate the ADA. Having accommodations to aid those with disabilities is how paper ballots become ADA compliant.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:33:42am

re: #458 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No hole punching. Just check a box next to the name of your candidate.

We’ve had paper ballots here in VA since at least 2003 when I voted for the first time in a state election season. And every year has seemed to be one variation or another of “fill in the bubble” with the provided pen. Mess it up? Ask for a new ballot.

In all the elections I’ve voted in with such ballots, I’ve only ever seen one instance an issue with them. And that was a feed error with the ballot counting machine, which took all of 2 minutes to sort out because one of the corners was a little bent.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:34:01am

re: #461 Citizen K

Nothing will stop the Presstitutes from pissing on the Clintons.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:37:25am

re: #330 sagehen

Doesn’t a lot of corn get turned into cattle feed?

Around here corn is grown for two reason. Seed (Simplot) and human consumption (Green Giant). Hops and Barley are also two of the big crops (Coors). Potatoes as well, but this is Idaho.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:38:03am

re: #465 Targetpractice

We’ve had paper ballots here in VA since at least 2003 when I voted for the first time in a state election season. And every year has seemed to be one variation or another of “fill in the bubble” with the provided pen. Mess it up? Ask for a new ballot.

In all the elections I’ve voted in with such ballots, I’ve only ever seen one instance an issue with them. And that was a feed error with the ballot counting machine, which took all of 2 minutes to sort out because one of the corners was a little bent.

As long as you can fill in the oval proerly.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:40:25am

re: #461 Citizen K

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The impetus from folks to “both sides same thing” things, while simultaneously insisting that the Dems are being worse and/or not being held accountable continues to frustrate the fuck out of me. This is how the GOP gets away with fucking everything, even when they’re being openly corrupt and evil.

People still somehow think that Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Loretta Lynch didn’t get shit on enough for that chance meeting while Barr is literally and opnely using the DoJ as a personal legal firm and harassment arm of Trump Enterprises, with the media treating the latter as oh-so-fucking-normal.

“Bad optics” is not on the same level as “open criminality.” People are not bitching about Trump and Barr openly flouting the law because it “looks bad,” they’re bitching because laws are being broken and nobody is doing anything about it. To this day, there has never been any evidence that the buttery emails were discussed on that tarmac, much less that Lynch did anything to intervene in said case after that encounter. There is simply no comparison and the efforts to do so in order to create a false “balance” is why Trump and Barr feel safe to break the law out in the open.

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Citizen K  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:45:00am

re: #469 Targetpractice

“Bad optics” is not on the same level as “open criminality.” People are not bitching about Trump and Barr openly flouting the law because it “looks bad,” they’re bitching because laws are being broken and nobody is doing anything about it. To this day, there has never been any evidence that the buttery emails were discussed on that tarmac, much less that Lynch did anything to intervene in said case after that encounter. There is simply no comparison and the efforts to do so in order to create a false “balance” is why Trump and Barr feel safe to break the law out in the open.

It’s shit like this that keeps me saying that #IOKIYAR is basically the law of the land in this country. Dems get crucified for minor sins while Republicans get a pass for things 10 times worse than what Dems get punished and booted for. And the Republicans that do manage to see some consequences usually find some way to fail upward, while Dems who got the boot usually fade into general obscurity or irrelevancy.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:45:27am

Attorney General William P. Barr has assigned an outside prosecutor to scrutinize the criminal case against President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, according to people familiar with the matter.

The review is highly unusual and could trigger more accusations of political interference by top Justice Department officials into the work of career prosecutors.

Mr. Barr has also installed a handful of outside prosecutors to broadly review the handling of other politically sensitive national-security cases in the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, the people said. The team includes at least one prosecutor from the office of the United States attorney in St. Louis, Jeff Jensen, who is handling the Flynn matter, as well as prosecutors from the office of the deputy attorney general, Jeffrey A. Rosen.

Over the past two weeks, the outside prosecutors have begun grilling line prosecutors in the Washington office about various cases — some public, some not — including investigative steps, prosecutorial actions and why they took them, according to the people. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive internal deliberations.

The Justice Department declined to comment.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:46:35am

The Rolling Stones to Donald Trump:
“Hey, you, get off of my cloud.”

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:48:27am

From Elie at Balloon Juice:

I do not want Bloomberg to be the Democratic nominee, but as a black woman, after seeing Trump get off from the impeachment effort so seriously made, and the aftermath — his revenge moves and continuation in dismantling our civic society, I am feeling a bit terrified and not a little desperate. Our house is on fire and I am not sure, knowing white people like I do, that any of the current group - from Elizabeth to Bernie to Biden to Buttigieg, can get the job done. There is only one fucking job and it aint changing wall street or Medicare for All. Its removing this demon and his assistants and enablers from power. I don’t think any of them truly get this and I am scared. I am willing, like the article says, to try to get free and see if one of these folks can step up and bring the power, but right now I aint seeing it and this is existential for me. There can be no “Oh well, we tried”. Too much of our blood and lives already spent working to get our fragile freedom. I don’t give a fuck about that “but we tried”, shit. We got to get this DONE. Sorry about my crazy, but I am feeling pretty crazy…..

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:50:30am

Holy hell. The reason I’m awake is the hospital called about my wife’s upcoming appointment for her diabetes check. [trigger warning for rape]

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:53:32am

re: #472 DodgerFan1988

The Rolling Stones to Donald Trump:
“Hey, you, get off of my cloud.”

“One of two things is going to happen,” Cohl told Trump. “You’re going to leave the building and, at 6:40, The Rolling Stones are going to speak on CBS News, or you’re not going to leave the building and I’m going to go on and do an interview to explain to the world why the pay-per-view was canceled”
Then, while literally telling Donald Trump “You’re fired,” Cohl noticed Trump’s “three shtarkers he’s with, in trench coats, two of them are putting on gloves and the other one is putting on brass knuckles.”

Cohl signaled his head of security, who “got 40 of the crew with tire irons and hockey sticks and screwdrivers,” effectively sending off Trump and his goons.

“And that was the night I fired Donald Trump,” Cohl concluded.

OMG I wish I had been there.

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Citizen K  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:55:10am

re: #470 Citizen K

People simultaneously have the longest memory against Dem grievances and goldfish memories it seems like. I swear.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:56:42am

re: #476 Citizen K

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People simultaneously have the longest memory against Dem grievances and goldfish memories it seems like. I swear.

The whole lol you’re stupid shit is why I only do political discourse here and with my closest friends and family.

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ericblair  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:57:32am

Surprise, surprise.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:57:34am

DOJ literally interfered on the sentencing for a long time Trump friend and political associate and ally.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 14, 2020 • 10:58:10am

re: #478 ericblair

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Surprise, surprise.

I’m old enough to remember when that quack was calling Obama a narcissist.

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Semper Fi  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:00:39am

re: #474 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Holy hell. The reason I’m awake is the hospital called about my wife’s upcoming appointment for her diabetes check. [trigger warning for rape]

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:01:06am

Neil Gorsuch’s mentor, of all people, struck down Arkansas’ work requirements for Medicaid eligibility, which had caused thousands of people to lose their coverage. vox.com

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:01:37am

re: #457 Eventual Carrion

Around here in my area of NW PA it does. I know of many acre of corn that that is what it is meant for. The farmers either uses it themselves for their cows or sell/trade it to other farmers for theirs.We also have many acre around here dedicated to hay for feed and straw for bedding. Huge rolls of hay line many fields all over.

Soy growers around here usually grow it for sale. There are also farmers that grow different strains of corn for human consumption, but I think most around here is for livestock feed meal of some kind or another.

My observations from living in PA and NY is that the corn is grown for local livestock feed. Soybeans will get rotated though every so often to help the soil out. And farmers will often put aside a small amount of acreage for human consumption corn strains, especially if they run a roadside stand or have a local market for it. Separate fields for hay and straw plus pasturing the cows at times. It’s all primarily dairy operations as well, not beef as far as I can tell.

Pork operations look (and smell) quite different.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:04:55am

re: #465 Targetpractice

We’ve had paper ballots here in VA since at least 2003 when I voted for the first time in a state election season. And every year has seemed to be one variation or another of “fill in the bubble” with the provided pen. Mess it up? Ask for a new ballot.

In all the elections I’ve voted in with such ballots, I’ve only ever seen one instance an issue with them. And that was a feed error with the ballot counting machine, which took all of 2 minutes to sort out because one of the corners was a little bent.

I’m convinced those fill in the bubble ballot counting machines are actually paper shredders. (they use them here in Duval County FL too)

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Dread Pirate  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:04:58am

LOL, we lost confidence in DOJ long before the Stone sentencing.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:06:04am

re: #432 lawhawk

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No wrongdoing, despite the howler monkeys screeching inside Trump’s brain and amplified by the shit slingers in the right wing fever swamps.

J.P. Cooney is going to get fired because Trump will think it’s Comey…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:08:33am

re: #253 Joe Bacon 🌹

[[joe]]

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Dread Pirate  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:10:58am
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:15:39am

re: #488 Dread Pirate

“Might not” Someone is being very cautious.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:16:01am

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

Because paper ballots are totally infallible.

Anyone remember “hanging chads”???

Our paper ballots are “draw a line connecting one side of an arrow to the other” pointing to the candidate’s name or answer to a referendum.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:17:00am

re: #490 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Bring a small ruler to make straight lines.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:17:36am
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Sherlock Hound  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:17:50am

re: #452 Anymouse 🌹🎃
There are ballot marking machines. I use these when I vote.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:19:25am

re: #472 DodgerFan1988

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The Rolling Stones to Donald Trump:
“Hey, you, get off of my cloud.”

saw them in the Tokyo Dome on that tour.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:20:39am
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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:22:19am

Buh-bye, Mikey.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:22:37am

re: #485 Dread Pirate

No shit, Sherlock!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:22:42am

re: #478 ericblair

Surprise, surprise.

Yeah, I’m sure that article will just add to my wife’s opinion of doctors. (It doesn’t matter that he worked for FOX. What matters is “doctor.”)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:25:06am

re: #481 Semper Fi

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:27:58am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:30:20am

re: #500 The Pie Overlord!

Damn you

My sugar jones just kicked into overdrive

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:32:15am

I’m going to head back to bed. Catch y’all later. Thanks for letting me vent my frustration.

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ericblair  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:33:54am
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:36:52am

re: #500 The Pie Overlord!

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Thanks. I just gained 3 lbs I didn’t need. :-)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:38:10am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:39:03am

Mid-day mental health break

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Dread Pirate  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:41:33am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:41:51am

My God.
nbcnews.com

Reynaldo Gil called 911 for medical help for his wife Damaris Rodriguez, but instead police took her to jail.

For 4 days, jail staff observed her vomiting, stumbling in circles, lying on her face & other erratic behavior and did nothing. Then she died.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:43:58am

re: #508 Scottish Dragon

One hears of this in so-called third world countries not in the USA. Under DT it happens here.

510
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:44:41am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:44:43am

Serious WTFery here:
KLM apologizes after airliner crew’s coronavirus toilet note sparks outrage in South Korea

KLM, the Dutch arm of Air France KLM (airf.pa), offered a public apology on Friday after a crew member sparked online outrage by posting a sign in Korean saying passengers on a recent flight were not allowed to use a toilet because of the new coronavirus.

Photos of the handwritten sign saying “lavatory for crew members only” went viral in South Korea this week after a passenger on a 10-hour flight from Amsterdam to Seoul’s Incheon airport on Monday shared the images online.

The passenger accused KLM of discriminating against South Korean passengers because the sign was only in Korean.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:46:00am

re: #503 ericblair

Proving again the value of a free press and laws that allow outside organizations to gain access to federal documents. Without that, Barr would be able to continue to harass McCabe forever until perhaps something minor gives him the authorization to charge McCable with criminal conduct.

Let’s not forget how successful the RW was in the 1990’s when they forced an investigation into the Vince Foster suicide, followed by a host of other peccadilloes until they alit on Monicagate which finally allowed them to impeach Clinton. Their effort to remove him failed though they damaged his ability to actually help this country. This is what they do.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:47:14am

re: #507 Dread Pirate

This is going to not end well.

Trump’s puffing up vaporware.

514
Dread Pirate  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:48:29am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:50:15am
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:52:02am

re: #514 Dread Pirate

Not sure how he gets 40-70% when in a city of 9 million (Wuhan), only a fraction of a percent have been infected. But scare tactics are scary.

BTW, more people get infected from, and die from influenza, than this new COVID18.

But the best way to prevent include frequently washing hands.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:55:57am
518
Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2020 • 11:59:29am

re: #516 lawhawk

Not sure how he gets 40-70% when in a city of 9 million (Wuhan), only a fraction of a percent have been infected. But scare tactics are scary.

BTW, more people get infected from, and die from influenza, than this new COVID18.

But the best way to prevent include frequently washing hands.

We don’t know how many were infected in Wuhan because China downplayed the initial outbreak, though most cases are mild and may never have been reported. Also given the lengthy incubation period, it’s undetermined how many Wuhan residents will ultimately be infected. His comments may have been based on observations with the floating “plague” ship Diamond Princess.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:00:51pm

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

Because paper ballots are totally infallible.

Anyone remember “hanging chads”???

My county that year

520
lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:01:35pm

re: #518 Hecuba’s daughter

Closed system like the cruise ships aren’t exactly representative of a city or urban environment.

After all, norovirus doesn’t scream through cities, or else we’d see cities overwhelmed with outbreaks frequently. But cruise ships are notorious for having these outbreaks with significant incidence.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:04:01pm

re: #465 Targetpractice

We’ve had paper ballots here in VA since at least 2003 when I voted for the first time in a state election season. And every year has seemed to be one variation or another of “fill in the bubble” with the provided pen. Mess it up? Ask for a new ballot.

In all the elections I’ve voted in with such ballots, I’ve only ever seen one instance an issue with them. And that was a feed error with the ballot counting machine, which took all of 2 minutes to sort out because one of the corners was a little bent.

I’m late to this particular sub party
Aren’t all absentee/mail ballots made of paper?

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:05:42pm

re: #521 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

And provisional ballots too.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:07:34pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:07:37pm

re: #520 lawhawk

Closed system like the cruise ships aren’t exactly representative of a city or urban environment.

After all, norovirus doesn’t scream through cities, or else we’d see cities overwhelmed with outbreaks frequently. But cruise ships are notorious for having these outbreaks with significant incidence.

True that

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:07:48pm

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:08:26pm

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

Because paper ballots are totally infallible.

Anyone remember “hanging chads”???

There are dumb paper ballots and then there are optical scan paper ballots. Fill in a damn oval like on any standardized test. Those are what we have had in MA ever since I have been old enough to vote and I have never heard of any serious issues with that.

That being said, I am not opposed to electronic voting as long as there is a printed receipt for a paper trail.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:09:54pm

re: #523 Dread Pirate


“A recent CIA analysis concluded that Iran appears no closer to entering direct talks over its nuclear program…Israeli intelligence officials have also determined that the escalating tensions have made Iran only more determined to gain a nuclear weapon.”

Shocked.
Shocked I say.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:11:54pm
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ericblair  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:14:02pm

re: #528 goddamnedfrank

“Barr…felt the tweet…[gave] people reason to wonder whether the notice that the Dept had been corrupted by political influence”

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:14:28pm

re: #520 lawhawk

But cruise ships are notorious for having these outbreaks with significant incidence.

My husband went on a quick 3 day cruise from Galveston to Cancun, and more than half of the party he was travelling with ended up getting violently ill. Many said they had projectile-vomited in their cabins. When they returned to Galveston (the day after said incidents) as they waited in line to disembark there was a line of thousands embarking on the other end of the ship. There was NO WAY what had happened in those cabins could have been cleaned up and properly disinfected before more guests arrived.

That was enough to convince me to never ever set foot on a cruise ship.

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Citizen K  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:23:17pm

re: #517 jaunte

But But but but people on the Twitters told me this is getting all the coverage and how Clinton/Lynch’s tarmac meeting was all so pooh-poohed!!! /////

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:24:01pm
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:24:42pm

The Great Backyard Bird Count (GBBC) is February 14-17, 2020

in about 15 minutes this AM, we id’d:

grackles
blue jays
mockingbirds
red belly woodpecker
mourning doves
redwing blackbirds - 2 pair
painted buntings - female and male
cardinals - two m/f pairs
ibis
yellow warbler

a more or less typical day at the pool/pond build site, still not bad for broward county

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:27:20pm

re: #529 ericblair

“Barr…felt the tweet…[gave] people reason to wonder whether the notice that the Dept had been corrupted by political influence”

I mean it’s absolutely insane cart before horse shit. He, personally, took the wholly fucking unprecedented action of rescinding a prosecution sentencing recommendation that had already been fucking signed and filed with the goddamned Court. And it did it based on some vague notion that he disagreed with the length of the sentence, not that Stone wasn’t guilty or that the prosecutors had calculated the offense level incorrectly, just that it was “too long.” This is why all four, plus now Liu had to quit, because Barr was demanding they go back in Court, debase themselves and immolate their reputations in the fire of a lie.

The Federal Sentencing Guidelines hold sway over a lot of people’s lives, and our system of justice becomes intrinsically corrupt if its mechanisms work completely differently for friends of the President.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:28:05pm

re: #532 lawhawk

I heard a story this morning on ATC about the no-man’s land being created between the wall and the Rio Grande. The reporter said that there would be multiple electronic gates along the wall, and the landowners would have codes that would allow them to open the gates and pass through to the other side to access their property. I’m sure none of those codes would ever get leaked or stolen or otherwise fall into the hands of “bad hombres.”

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2020 • 12:28:07pm

re: #517 jaunte

It looks like the US media will never report on the proto-fascism of Trump and the GOP as the pressing news issue that it is.

This is so blatant by now that simple incompetence must be ruled out. The only remaining explanation is malice.

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gocart mozart  Feb 14, 2020 • 1:03:17pm
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 14, 2020 • 3:46:54pm

re: #422 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

dad died on mom’s birthday.
It’s never quite been the same since

It does suck. My niece’s husband was killed in a car accident heading to work on her birthday last year. Hell of a thing to have to remember on your birthday year after year.


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