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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:13:56am

CL’ed:
re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

I got into a discussion on FB, with a libertarian-type conservative who’s an IRL friend of New Mexico Bro (aka My Idiot Brother), who is generally able to discuss things respectfully. It was about the Electoral College and that old “We’re a republic not a democracy” wheeze.

One of his friends who joined the discussion posted something from an old Army manual, defining Republic and Democracy. I looked up the original manual, and HOLY HELL! is it racist! It’s about “How To Be A Good Citizen”, but it’s from 1928, and the intro warns that, up until 30 years previous, the US had been mostly populated with good Anglo Saxon stock, who had self-governing traditions, but that more recently immigrants had been coming from Eastern Europe, where there were no such traditions, and this was a DANGER!! to the republic!!

I scanned it. There was almost no mention of blacks, or slavery, or the civil war. It was as if America was entirely - and solely - made up of white people.

It was taken out of circulation in 1932, apparently, and mostly recalled and destroyed. But it give you some idea of the world back then. This was only a few years after “Black Wall Street” was erased in Tulsa.

It’s disturbing that this is still out there, still being quoted by otherwise intelligent people.

I think that’s the dirty secret of how the country got together after Reconstruction. We just acted like there wasn’t a civil war fought over slavery and while there were people in the different political parties that separated civil rights, it was never prioritized. I think the unfortunate consequence of how the New Deal helped so called white ethnics join the middle class is it also had their members forgetting that they were for a long time treated as not really being white. The UK doesn’t have a lot of Hispanic emigrants, residents, and or citizens because most of the people who left places like Spain went to our country, Mexico, Argentina, among others. But the UK does have a sizable Eastern European immigrant community that has gone up recently. The same British nativists that looked down on the Irish Catholics as intruders now do that to Eastern Europeans.

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plansbandc  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:16:07am

There’s really not a bad Jane song.

Sweet Jane
Jane

And my personal favorite:

Jon Astley - Jane’s Getting Serious (1987)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:17:10am

re: #1 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

CL’ed:

I think that’s the dirty secret of how the country got together after Reconstruction. We just acted like there wasn’t a civil war fought over slavery and while there were people in the different political parties that separated civil rights, it was never prioritized.

Plenty of people in the North were okay with slavery and just wanted to get the South back into the fold.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:18:59am

The ACA was struck with malnutrition a few years after birth. It deserved a far better chance and still does before we all go single-payer.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:20:53am

re: #1 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

CL’ed:

I think that’s the dirty secret of how the country got together after Reconstruction. We just acted like there wasn’t a civil war fought over slavery and while there were people in the different political parties that separated civil rights, it was never prioritized. I think the unfortunate consequence of how the New Deal helped so called white ethnics join the middle class is it also had their members forgetting that they were for a long time treated as not really being white. The UK doesn’t have a lot of Hispanic emigrants, residents, and or citizens because most of the people who left places like Spain went to our country, Mexico, Argentina, among others. But the UK does have a sizable Eastern European immigrant community that has gone up recently. The same British nativists that looked down on the Irish Catholics as intruders now do that to Eastern Europeans.

Plus, the KKK waged a second war in the South to end Reconstruction and allow the South to continue treating blacks as animals, and Johnson conceded to them.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:21:30am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Plenty of people in the North were okay with slavery and just wanted to get the South back into the fold.

Not really okay but okay with just ending slavery and then acting like African-Americans had to solve their own problems. The African-American historians aren’t off when they talk about sharecropping being nearly as bad as slavery itself. I think the Great Migration needs to be better taught in school and our history.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:22:09am

Dawn
Betty Jean
Sherry
Candy Girl
aka Marlena
Connie-O
Ronnie
Rag Doll
C’mon Marianne
- Frankie Valli and friends

Marianne
Suzanne
- L. Cohen

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:22:18am

re: #5 Belafon

Plus, the KKK waged a second war in the South to end Reconstruction and allow the South to continue treating blacks as animals, and Johnson conceded to them.

100% correct. 1865 was unfortunately just the beginning. Hell Emmett Till was in my father’s lifetime. It wasn’t that long ago. Emmett was born the same year Bernie Sanders was FFS.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:22:32am
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:23:22am
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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:24:09am

re: #2 plansbandc

There’s really not a bad Jane song.

Sweet Jane
Jane

And my personal favorite:

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Oh that’s a fun one.

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terraincognita  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:31:03am

“Guantanamera” (Girl from Guantanamo) The Sandpipers

“I am a truthful man from the land of the palm trees
And before dying, I want to share these poems of my soul
My poems are soft green
My poems are also flaming crimson
My poems are like a wounded fawn seeking refuge in the forest…

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:32:31am

Warren Zevon - Carmelita

Warren Zevon - Carmelita

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:36:01am
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Teddy's Person  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:36:04am

Mayor Pete’s not my primary candidate of choice, but this made me giggle.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:36:36am

re: #5 Belafon

Plus, the KKK waged a second war in the South to end Reconstruction and allow the South to continue treating blacks as animals, and Johnson conceded to them.

I read an interesting tweet on Adam Serwer’s feed…

Even 19th Century abolitionists were often very racist. Lincoln’s ideas for freeing the slaves didn’t include building an equal society with them. He was in favor of deporting them to Liberia. You can see how this idea would appeal to people who didn’t think black people were their equal and yet also didn’t believe that justified enslaving them - end slavery, but then just get rid of all those people you didn’t want in polite society by “sending them back” to a place almost none of them had come from.

So, it’s no wonder that so many Northerners who had opposed slavery were willing to give up on Reconstruction. I remember it being at least hinted in my history classes in grade school and high school that the Southern legislatures during the Reconstruction were dominated by blacks who had only recently been slaves, with the unspoken idea that they weren’t fit to lead. And also unspoken was that the end of Reconstruction was a GOOD thing because it ended black domination of the South. (Indeed, this was Buckley’s argument 90 years later for supporting the segregationists - blacks weren’t capable of being responsible leaders.)

For crissakes, it was 100 years after the end of slavery that the Voting Right bill was passed, and it was so controversial it led to the realignment of the parties!

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:37:35am

re: #7 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Dawn
Betty Jean
Sherry
Candy Girl
aka Marlena
Connie-O
Ronnie
Rag Doll
C’mon Marianne
- Frankie Valli and friends

Marianne
Suzanne
- L. Cohen

come on, eileen

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:39:31am

re: #1 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

CL’ed:

I think that’s the dirty secret of how the country got together after Reconstruction. We just acted like there wasn’t a civil war fought over slavery and while there were people in the different political parties that separated civil rights, it was never prioritized. I think the unfortunate consequence of how the New Deal helped so called white ethnics join the middle class is it also had their members forgetting that they were for a long time treated as not really being white. The UK doesn’t have a lot of Hispanic emigrants, residents, and or citizens because most of the people who left places like Spain went to our country, Mexico, Argentina, among others. But the UK does have a sizable Eastern European immigrant community that has gone up recently. The same British nativists that looked down on the Irish Catholics as intruders now do that to Eastern Europeans.

I’ve said this before, but I think it’s basically true that the US political system only functions when the two parties basically agree on how racist to be. The ending of reconstruction on obviously corrupt terms (racists could do as they pleased, especially in the South, as long as there was no blatant restoration of literal slavery) is one of the main data points here.

The other main data point for this thesis is the unraveling of that post-Reconstruction ‘deal’ in the civil rights realignment of the 20th century. Now we have a racist party and an anti-racist party in the US in a way that has no real precedent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:40:10am

I still recall the Lincoln quote

“If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:41:38am

also dylan

lily, rosemary, and the jack of heaaaarrrts

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:44:31am

Came in late so I’m not sure of the ground rules, but…

Rosalita - Springsteen
Angie - Stones
Maggie May - Rod
Roxanne - Police
Sharona - Knack
Jolene - Dolly
Rosanna - Toto

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A Mom Anon  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:45:00am

re: #20 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Debbie Reynolds had a song called Tammy, and there were movies too. My dad had a huge crush on her.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:46:59am

“Roxette”

Dr. Feelgood - Roxette


The song that gave the band its name:

[Capitol Records] insisted on a different name for the band. Gessle and the other members of Gyllene Tider […] chose the title of a 1975 Dr. Feelgood song, “Roxette”.

Bonus trivium: That’s Ser Ilyn Payne on guitar.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:48:34am

re: #19 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still recall the Lincoln quote

“If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”

True history is complex and rarely offers absolute heroes or absolute villains.

The Founding Fathers risked everything to establish a new, independent America - mostly for the advantage of wealthy white landowners like themselves, because they didn’t trust anyone but their own sort of people to run the government responsibly.

Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves - but only after 3 years, and only in the states in rebellion, and only after he’d given up on them coming back into the union of their own accord.

FDR saved the country with the New Deal - which he was able to pass because it intentionally, but not overtly, excluded black people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:48:48am

Jenny, don’t change your number…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:49:12am

Victoria Sage - Jack Bruce
Victoria -The Kinks

Virginia Plain - Roxy Music
Sweet Virginia - Rolling Stones

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:51:12am

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

True history is complex and rarely offers absolute heroes or absolute villains.

The Founding Fathers risked everything to establish a new, independent America - mostly for the advantage of wealthy white landowners like themselves, because they didn’t trust anyone but their own sort of people to run the government responsibly.

Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves - but only after 3 years, and only in the states in rebellion, and only after he’d given up on them coming back into the union of their own accord.

FDR saved the country with the New Deal - which he was able to pass because it intentionally, but not overtly, excluded black people.

Which is was such an astoundingly big deal that we elected a black President twelve years ago…but history is rarely linear & straightforward…you make progress and then you take some steps back.

We need to get back into Progress Mode.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:56:44am

Republicans are looters.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:58:02am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Every bit of progress a society makes is incremental. Social Security was demonized as some horrible ruin to us all and so a lot was done to try and fuck it up. It finally passed and while not perfect, it’s kept many people from complete ruin.

This is what I wish Bernie would get out in front of and explain to his young and often impatient followers. Americans are spoiled, we expect things to happen fully formed when we want them. Nothing in politics or civilization works like that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2020 • 11:59:00am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is was such an astoundingly big deal that we elected a black President twelve years ago…but history is rarely linear & straightforward…you make progress and then you take some steps back.

We need to get back into Progress Mode.

I’ve often said that the thing that makes America special is that despite all the truly bad shit we’ve done, and still do, we keep trying to be better. THAT is what American Exceptionalism is really all about.

Trumpism not only specifically rejects that ideal, that we should keep trying to be better, it actually argues we should go backwards. If we can’t defeat it in November, we will become not only no longer exceptional, but actually we’ll become a negative example for the world. We’re well on the way to that right now.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:02:42pm

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

The ACA was struck with malnutrition a few years after birth. It deserved a far better chance and still does before we all go single-payer.

Medicaid expansion has been a spectacular success as even red states are starting to adopt it. It may be that the easiest way to add a public option is to just make Medicaid available on the exchanges.

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:03:50pm

Rhiannon - Fleetwood Mac

Rhiannon Fleetwood Mac Live 1976

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:05:01pm

re: #32 William Lewis

Rhiannon - Fleetwood Mac

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How could I not have named that one? My older sister named her girl Rhiannon after that song.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:05:22pm

re: #10 The Pie Overlord!

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If Warren is still in the race in May, I’ll vote for her if she has a realistic shot at the nomination.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:06:26pm

re: #29 A Mom Anon

Every bit of progress a society makes is incremental. Social Security was demonized as some horrible ruin to us all and so a lot was done to try and fuck it up. It finally passed and while not perfect, it’s kept many people from complete ruin.

Saved our bacon. My mom got screwed out of her widow’s pension with US Steel. There was later a class action suit from which she got a settlement, but that was just a patch on what we needed in 1967. Without SS we would have lost the house and god knows what else.

And it helped pay for my undergraduate degree.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:07:23pm

Sarah - Fleetwood Mac

Sara - Dylan

Sarah Smile - Hall & Oates

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:07:30pm

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

True history is complex and rarely offers absolute heroes or absolute villains.

The Founding Fathers risked everything to establish a new, independent America - mostly for the advantage of wealthy white landowners like themselves, because they didn’t trust anyone but their own sort of people to run the government responsibly.

Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves - but only after 3 years, and only in the states in rebellion, and only after he’d given up on them coming back into the union of their own accord.

FDR saved the country with the New Deal - which he was able to pass because it intentionally, but not overtly, excluded black people.

we correct from those things and move on so in spite of all that, the arc of the moral sub-cosmos USA still moves, sort of, the right way (granted sometimes 2 steps back)

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:07:55pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is was such an astoundingly big deal that we elected a black President twelve years ago…but history is rarely linear & straightforward…you make progress and then you take some steps back.

We need to get back into Progress Mode.

gmta

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:09:52pm

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Saved our bacon. My mom got screwed out of her widow’s pension with US Steel. There was later a class action suit from which she got a settlement, but that was just a patch on what we needed in 1967. Without SS we would have lost the house and god knows what else.

And it helped pay for my undergraduate degree.

So sorry you were crippled by dependence on “free money” from the gubmint./

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:10:35pm

chuck berry - nadine

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:10:47pm

re: #33 Eventual Carrion

How could I not have named that one? My older sister named her girl Rhiannon after that song.

Watching that version reminds me of just how important Midnight Special was in a Pre-MTV world. Hella energy there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:12:01pm

re: #39 NO SMOCKING GUN!

So sorry you were crippled by dependence on “free money” from the gubmint./

In a way, it would’ve done me some good to take year off between HS and college, but SS only pays out until the semester ending after your 22nd birthday, so I dove right in and wasted most of a year.

But thanks to SS, cheap state tuition and some BEOG money, I was able to graduate debt-free, which was a big deal.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:12:15pm

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If it weren’t for Social Security disability, we would be out on the street in a couple of months. My husband has been unable to work because of all kinds of health issues for over a year. The waiting on all of that was one of the most stressful times of our marriage. If he hadn’t been approved we’d be screwed.

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plansbandc  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:12:53pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:13:16pm

re: #41 William Lewis

Watching that version reminds me of just how important Midnight Special was in a Pre-MTV world. Hella energy there.

Midnight Special was where I first saw the Mahavishnu Orchestra, which got me into Jazz-Rock, which got me into jazz proper, which totally expanded my taste in music.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:15:11pm

Brick House.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:15:42pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Jenny, don’t change your number…

Rikki Don’t Lose that Number…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:22:56pm

there is no amusement in Windsor…

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:23:28pm

re: #44 plansbandc

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I think “naninani” might work in some circumstances, but I’d probably go with “nantoka-yu-mono” in Japanese. Not that it matters at all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:25:07pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Queen is said to be upset by the development

It is truly time to privatise the Royal Family and sell them off individually to the highest bidder…

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:28:15pm

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is truly time to privatise the Royal Family and sell them off individually to the highest bidder…

ebay or etsy

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:28:57pm

Good thread on the rise of fascism in the GOP.

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KingKenrod  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:30:10pm

Beatles ed.

Julia
Lovely Rita
Michelle
Maggie Mae
Dear Prudence
Eleanor Rigby
Lucy in the Sky
Polythene Pam
Ballad of John and Yoko
Martha my Dear
Sexy Sadie
Long Tall Sally
Lady Madonna

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:30:27pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

there is no amusement in Windsor…

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Queen Elizabeth : unamused :: Susan Collins : concerned

(thus endeth today’s SAT practice)

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LadyBehir  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:30:35pm

re: #51 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

ebay or etsy

If the Queen is doing the selling, etsy. If someone else is, ebay.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:32:09pm

re: #51 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

ebay or etsy

Sotheby’s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:32:16pm

Brian should have just told Stewie there was no need for another Susie song because there already is “Wake Up Little Susie”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:33:15pm

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is truly time to privatise the Royal Family and sell them off individually to the highest bidder…

A constitutional monarch actually performs a useful function in a democracy. But given the dysfunction in the House of Windsor, it may be better to make the Monarch a term limited office elected by the House of Lords from their members. Maybe a 10 year term?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:33:15pm

Not to mention the conspiracy theory song, Susie Q

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:34:08pm

re: #58 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A constitutional monarch actually performs a useful function in a democracy. But given the dysfunction in the House of Windsor, it may be better to make the Monarch a term limited office elected by the House of Lords from their members. Maybe a 10 year term?

I have seen little evidence of them performing any useful function to politics. To tourism, perhaps…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:34:54pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:37:26pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:38:02pm

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have seen little evidence of them performing any useful function to politics. To tourism, perhaps…

Presidential democracies are prone to destabilizing gridlock. Having an unelected head of state to serve as a neutral symbol of national unity while a government run by the legislative majority gets things done seems to help prevent coups and dictators.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:39:07pm

re: #63 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Presidential democracies are prone to destabilizing gridlock. Having an unelected head of state to serve as a neutral symbol of national unity while a government run by the legislative majority gets things done seems to help prevent coups and dictators.

Except that the Monarchy represents an outdated tradition of hereditary rule that is still manifest and highly prevalent in the British Class system

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:40:19pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:40:45pm

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Except that the Monarchy represents an outdated tradition of hereditary rule that is still manifest and highly prevalent in the British Class system

Hence my suggestion that the Monarch become a term limited office elected from the House of Lords by its membership.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:41:14pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nice way to take the high road there.

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gocart mozart  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:41:29pm

Good thread

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:43:24pm

re: #66 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Hence my suggestion that the Monarch become a term limited office elected from the House of Lords by its membership.

Ditto for the House of Lords. Abolish it.

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:43:51pm

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Except that the Monarchy represents an outdated tradition of hereditary rule that is still manifest and highly prevalent in the British Class system

Elect the monarch for life then, with an election scheduled automatically for 2 months from the day of death or abdication. No one who has ever held any elective office previously or is within the old table of consanguinity (IOW couldn’t marry) of any previous monarch is allowed to run.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:44:35pm

re: #62 gocart mozart

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Before she was Pence’s press secretary, she worked as a spokeswoman for Senator Martha McSally and for the United States Department of Homeland Security during the tenure of Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.

kinda explains much

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:45:38pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:45:57pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:46:28pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

2000 DOJ officials walk into a Barr…

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:46:44pm

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ditto for the House of Lords. Abolish it.

Naw, just make membership an award like a medal - in England, OBE or VC or etc - and only for the life of the member. No worse than senators then. And hey, you could have had John Paul George & Ringo be in the House of Lords, forex.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:47:09pm

re: #73 Patricia Kayden

VIBRATIONAL FREQUENCIES.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:47:38pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:47:45pm

re: #73 Patricia Kayden

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I hope that is a poe. It’s so like North Korean propaganda.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:48:45pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

VIBRATIONAL FREQUENCIES.

so that’s what the kids are calling it these days…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:48:58pm

re: #75 William Lewis

Naw, just make membership an award like a medal - in England, OBE or VC or etc - and only for the life of the member. No worse than senators then. And hey, you could have had John Paul George & Ringo be in the House of Lords, forex.

It still favo(u)rs graduates of their rather class-oriented educational system…those who can afford to send their offspring to what they call “public” schools, which is their inexplicably British way of saying PRIVATE schools for the elite.

They are a sick society and they are in the throes of a major decline and refuse to address the very root causes.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:49:06pm

Bernadette!

YouTube

and i cant believe “(She’s a ) Brick House” didnt get one vote (either way)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:50:26pm

re: #81 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Bernadette!

and i cant believe “(She’s a ) Brick House” didnt get one vote (either way)

88 Lines about 44 Women - The Nails - Lyrics

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:51:10pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:52:43pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Okay, great. You have no Second Amendment rights now. Give me all your guns, asshole.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:53:42pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Indiana Republican: The federal courts have no jurisdiction to “interfere with Indiana’s interest in protecting human physical life from the moment that human physical life begins.”

In other words, the Constitution can take a hike.

This assumes that the States have the right to DEFINE human life as starting from the moment of conception.

But that, for Right-to-Lifers is a literal NO BRAINER.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:53:49pm
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:53:51pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

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medicare is socialistic because benefits aren’t tied to contributions. you can ‘get’ way more than you put in.

even insurance is voluntary socialism and can have the same, or the opposite effect. though with insurance getting less than you put in isnt entirely accurate. you had the real value of risk coverage all that time you had no claim. and risk coverage is worth way more than zero.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:55:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:55:36pm

so pretty!

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retired cynic  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:56:42pm

Hey, HW: 75 years later, the Battle of Iwo Jima still haunts this veteran

nationalgeographic.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:56:53pm

re: #88 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The real causes of the bubble were rapid changes in the mortgage lending industry, rating agencies that didn’t account for those changes, combined with a lack of regulatory oversight.

Nobody seemed bothered that housing prices had increased by more than 30% over a period in which the economy had grown no more than 10%.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:58:26pm

PORTSMOUTH, Ohio (AP) - A judge has dismissed a professor’s lawsuit against a small, public university in Ohio that rebuked him for not addressing a transgender student using the student’s preferred gender terms.

Nicholas Meriwether’s federal lawsuit alleged that Shawnee State University officials violated his rights by compelling him to speak in a way that contradicts his Christian beliefs.

The school contended such language was part of his job responsibilities, not speech protected by the First Amendment.

A federal judge agreed that the manner in which Meriwether addressed the student wasn’t protected under the First Amendment.

A message seeking comment was left Monday for Alliance Defending Freedom, which represented Meriwether.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2020 • 12:58:50pm

re: #87 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

I saw a study that showed that the average male uses twice as much medicare as they pay in while working.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:00:29pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nicholas Meriwether’s federal lawsuit alleged that Shawnee State University officials violated his rights by compelling him to speak in a way that contradicts his Christian beliefs.

ah yes, Gender pronouns are clearly defined in the Bible and the punishment for abusing them is laid out.

We all know what Jesus had to say about homosexuality and transgender persons:

“……………………………………………………………”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:00:58pm

re: #90 retired cynic

Hey, HW: 75 years later, the Battle of Iwo Jima still haunts this veteran

nationalgeographic.com

It really was awful. Iwo and the Pacific campaign were so brutal.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:02:41pm

re: #88 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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all true plus one more huge thing

massive scale selling off the loan risk by the loan originators
they got the upfront fees
then sold the risk of servicing / collecting the loan to someone else.

originator banks used to be way more careful because they had to be sure *they* would collect their full debt over the 30 years or whatever

when you decouple the collection risk from the origination risk, the originators dont have to be nearly so careful/conscientious/conservative

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:04:42pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s nothing in the Bible about not calling someone by their proper name. In fact, a lot of characters in the Bible went through name CHANGES. Sigh.

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BeachDem  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:05:29pm

re: #21 makeitstop

Came in late so I’m not sure of the ground rules, but…

Rosalita - Springsteen
Angie - Stones
Maggie May - Rod
Roxanne - Police
Sharona - Knack
Jolene - Dolly
Rosanna - Toto

Rosalinda’s Eyes

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Amory Blaine  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:05:49pm

Coulettes plinko.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:06:25pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is why there is a bill filed in Ky to allow teachers to deny trans students identity.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:07:17pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

BACK HOME: Clare the koala, who was rescued from bushfires in Australia, carefully inspected her options before selecting her first tree to climb after being released from a sanctuary over the weeken

I imagine Clare might have been thinking “last time I climbed up one of these, the World was on fire”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:08:01pm
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BeachDem  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:08:49pm

re: #40 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

chuck berry - nadine

and Maybellene

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:09:27pm

*snerk*

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:10:57pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:11:16pm

The monarchy serves a purpose in the UK, that of continuity. It also separated “Head Of State” from “Head Of Government” in a way that would be really useful over here right about now.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:11:43pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Susan? Hmm. I will be polite and say I may need to get new glasses. That does not look like a woman.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:12:35pm

re: #107 PhillyPretzel

Susan? Hmm. I will be polite and say I may need to get new glasses. That does not look like a woman.

maybe it’s a preferred gender thing…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:12:41pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:13:14pm

re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White

The monarchy serves a purpose in the UK, that of continuity. It also separated “Head Of State” from “Head Of Government” in a way that would be really useful over here right about now.

I guess that’s why Constitutional Monarchy had appeal.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:13:35pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Every student should call that professor Dorothy.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:13:47pm
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BeachDem  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:14:13pm

re: #53 KingKenrod

Beatles ed.

Julia
Lovely Rita
Michelle
Maggie Mae
Dear Prudence
Eleanor Rigby
Lucy in the Sky
Polythene Pam
Ballad of John and Yoko
Martha my Dear
Sexy Sadie
Long Tall Sally
Lady Madonna

My friend Donna (there’s another one) was terrible about song lyrics. She always thought “Dear Prudence” was “Dear Brutus” and was stymied as to why Mia Farrow’s sister was named Brutus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:17:58pm
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:19:18pm

re: #113 BeachDem

I once sat in the backseat and listened to my sister and BIL argue over whether it was “Dear Brutus” or “Dear Judith.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:19:37pm

I’m not going to make fun of NASCAR fans for liking NASCAR or engage in any kind of elitist sneering.

Instead, I’ll observe that the ‘Stock Cars’ raced in NASCAR these days are racing frames with a fake body on top that pays homage to some actual car, rather than actual cars you could buy that were then tweaked by the teams.

When I was a kid, Mopar sold hundreds of Dodge Daytonas and Plymouth Superbirds to run on the street, just so they could race them. You could get them with the legendary 426 Hemi, the street version of the motor that Richard Petty et al. raced with.

Now? Not even remotely “stock cars”. Feh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:20:38pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:22:41pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:22:56pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Indiana—the state once dominated by the KKK…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:28:30pm

Jeff Bozos is donating $10 billion to fight climate change. vox.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:28:54pm

re: #119 Joe Bacon 🌹

Indiana—the state once dominated by the KKK…

Wingers love to act like the KKK was just for the Democrats but it had its most success with both parties in the 20’s. Part of the reason why I chose HappyWarrior as my SN all those years ago was in ode to the fact that Klan hated Al Smith. Shame he later became anti-New Deal but the Klan hated him for obvious reasons and I’m enjoying one of those obvious reasons right now.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:29:08pm

re: #120 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Jeff Bozos is donating $10 billion to fight climate change. vox.com

Shit. Good man.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:30:20pm

Mmmmmmmmm…..

Meatloaf sandwich……

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Cheechako  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:31:03pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think we have a good pool of experienced DOJ Attorneys to restock the Department in the next Democtat Administration.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:31:56pm

OT I went to my accountant today. He is in a new location with a corner office. He has all of his father’s clients and is building up a few more. I hope I can remain one his clients for the near future.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:31:57pm

re: #124 Cheechako

I think we have a good pool of experienced DOJ Attorneys to restock the Department in the next Democtat Administration.

Gonna be a good problem to have to choose a new AG. I honestly want Yovanovich to get a job advising the next POTUS on Eastern Europe in someway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:32:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:34:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:36:33pm
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:36:54pm
John Bolton is due to make his first public speech since the impeachment inquiry into Trump wrapped up…

but

his speech tonight at Duke University…isn’t expected to directly address the issue of impeachment

so what?
he had his chance
he blew it big time

who gives a rats ass what he has to say?

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:37:01pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

::: eye roll ::: Is he kidding? This administration is so dang backward it is disgusting.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:40:26pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

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hey seb,
dems arent diverse?
have a look in the house or the senate
who’s head of the dnc? and deputy? (note who they arent related to)
then ask yourself how the AA population generally votes

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:41:21pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:43:39pm

re: #134 Patricia Kayden

It’s the little elections and I don’t mean that dismissively that matter and the fact that Sanders campaign has never really esen their importance is why I don’t see him as a leader.

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terraincognita  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:47:32pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Either [with] it [your shield], or on it”

Meaning “either you will win the battle, or you will die and then be carried back home on your shield”.

It was said by Spartan mothers to their sons before they went out to battle to remind them of their bravery and duty to Sparta and Greece.

A hoplite could not escape the field of battle unless he tossed away the heavy and cumbersome shield. Therefore, “losing one’s shield” meant desertion. (Plutarch, Moralia, 241

Just like our video warriors of today…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:51:07pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:51:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:54:23pm

Mayor of Tucson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:56:43pm
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sagehen  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:57:21pm

fun trivia:

The “greatest Canadian ever” referenced in Oliver’s story, Tommy Douglas (the guy who instituted their single-payer healthcare system)…. is Keifer Sutherland’s grandpa (on his mother’s side).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:58:05pm

re: #138 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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In follow up, I’m inclined to think the “Bernie or bust” crowd is actually small. What got Clinton was the massive disinformation campaign that actually resulted in more people thinking she was dishonest than the pathological liar Trump. It will be difficult for Republicans to smear the nominee that effectively in the short time until the election when they had years to smear Clinton with a lot of assistance. And now people know that Trump can win if they cast a protest vote.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 1:59:32pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

What did I just watch?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:00:11pm

My words exactly but I’m pretty sure I wasn’t the only one.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:01:30pm

re: #142 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In follow up, I’m inclined to think the “Bernie or bust” crowd is actually small. What got Clinton was the massive disinformation campaign that actually resulted in more people thinking she was dishonest than the pathological liar Trump. It will be difficult for Republicans to smear the nominee that effectively in the short time until the election when they had years to smear Clinton with a lot of assistance. And now peopke know that Trump can win if they cast a protest vote.

From GOP Congressional staffers I deal with they are full of glee knowing that Frank Luntz has prepared a thick dossier on Bernie that they will use to annihilate him in the same manner that McGovern and Mondale were. They have a dossier on Bernie going all the way back to the early 60s when he trashed JFK…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:01:49pm

re: #143 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What did I just watch?

My guess is an ‘oopsie” with a cell phone in a low flying plane, landing in a hog wallow. The pig looks a little hairy to be domestic, but I could be wrong.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:02:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:03:02pm

re: #143 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What did I just watch?

(think it was a GoPro dropped from a plane)

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:03:43pm

re: #147 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Maybe she can finally make that deal with the trade federation.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:04:56pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:06:35pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:07:00pm

re: #149 jaunte

Maybe she can finally make that deal with the trade federation.

If this is a consular ship, where is the Ambassador?

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Mike Lamb  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:07:01pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I, for one, welcome our porcine overlords…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:07:13pm

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

My words exactly but I’m pretty sure I wasn’t the only one.

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Bernie honestly reminds me of Ron Paul. An unlikable backbencher who only associates with a party out of necessity and isn’t effective at all at passing legislation but somehow convinces naive young people he’s a political prophet. So yeah tbh I am not having what Bernie is selling me. I’m not happy with Bloomberg either but I don’t see Bloomberg as a cult of personality.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:07:59pm

re: #150 Patricia Kayden

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Impeachment feels like years ago as does the prayer day pout.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:09:38pm

re: #154 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Bernie honestly reminds me of Ron Paul. An unlikable backbencher who only associates with a party out of necessity and isn’t effective at all at passing legislation but somehow convinces naive young people he’s a political prophet. So yeah tbh I am not having what Bernie is selling me. I’m not happy with Bloomberg either but I don’t see Bloomberg as a cult of personality.

Bloomberg is actually the exact opposite of a cult of personality. He’s just using his infinite supply of money to buy ads, favorable coverage, endorsement, etc.

It’s almost charming in its direct simplicity — ‘If a billionaire were to try to buy his way to the presidency, this is exactly what it would look like.’

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:09:41pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s scary! He’s got to have suffered some serious burns.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:10:54pm

re: #155 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Impeachment feels like years ago as does the prayer day pout.

Every day in the Trump Zone feels like a month.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:11:47pm

re: #151 Dread Pirate

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Remember when I saw the first episode of The Love Boat and even then I had no desire to set foot on a cruise ship!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:12:13pm

re: #156 EPR-radar

Bloomberg is actually the exact opposite of a cult of personality. He’s just using his infinite supply of money to buy ads, favorable coverage, endorsement, etc.

It’s almost charming in its direct simplicity — ‘If a billionaire were to try to buy his way to the presidency, this is exactly what it would look like.’

Yeah and I don’t want Bloomberg either. How hard is it to get someone who isn’t a plutocrat or populist demagogue? Fuck both of em. I’ll vote for either if they’re the nominee but the process as is will say a lot if our finalists are three future men whom will turn 80 the first half of this decade.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:12:38pm

re: #158 EPR-radar

Every day in the Trump Zone feels like a month.

So yeah years sounds right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:12:39pm

re: #157 Patricia Kayden

That’s scary! He’s got to have suffered some serious burns.

Found this article.

Damage was apparently limited to his hair

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:13:04pm

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

My words exactly but I’m pretty sure I wasn’t the only one.

They had someone on CBS Sunday Morning, who looked to be in her mid to upper 20s, talking about Bernie and socialism. And what she mentioned was that, to a lot of them, it’s unchecked capitalism that’s the problem, not socialism. So, it’s going to be hard to get through to a lot of young people, that we absolutely need to turn out in large numbers, that there’s still a stigma associated with socialsim.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:14:17pm

re: #160 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah and I don’t want Bloomberg either. How hard is it to get someone who isn’t a plutocrat or populist demagogue? Fuck both of em. I’ll vote for either if they’re the nominee but the process as is will say a lot if our finalists are three future men whom will turn 80 the first half of this decade.

You’d need a candidate with a few billion in donations.

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jeffreyw  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:14:48pm

Lunch today

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:15:09pm

Bloomberg speaks the language of media: money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:15:10pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:17:59pm

re: #163 Belafon

They had someone on CBS Sunday Morning, who looked to be in her mid to upper 20s, talking about Bernie and socialism. And what she mentioned was that, to a lot of them, it’s unchecked capitalism that’s the problem, not socialism. So, it’s going to be hard to get through to a lot of young people, that we absolutely need to turn out in large numbers, that there’s still a stigma associated with socialsim.

I actually have a little bit of sympathy for the young people who are drawn to socialism because propaganda has acted like all socialism is of the Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist, Potish?(I don’t know what Pol Pot’s ideology is called). Anyhow, I think dopefish articulated my thoughts the other day. I like socialism for the necessities we need but I like capitalism for consumer goods. We can and have always done both. Honestly, I like a lot of Bernie’s goals. I don’t like Bernie being a poor team player and acting like Congress doesn’t matter and I especially don’t like him dismissing issues as a distraction. It’s very pardon me white of him, a senator from the whitest state to dismiss “identity politics” when he acts like the white working class is just aching to vote Democratic again. They left us Bernie and it wasn’t because of economics. It was because they didn’t like that we became more pro civil rights as a party. And while I’m grateful that my grandparents, products of said working class did not leave the Democratic Party, a lot of people did. Yesterday, I spent the day at my grandparents’ good friends house. My grandmother was one of the few Democrats her age that her friend knew left. Democrats are going to win by recongizing the changing demographics and embracing their dreams. And you’re going to get that by focusing on the future.

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:18:50pm

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have seen little evidence of them performing any useful function to politics. To tourism, perhaps…

Their useful political function is to be the symbolic reservoir of all patriotism, rather than it residing in a head of government you maybe didn’t vote for. All of Trump’s efforts to equate himself with the country — Boris Johnson can’t do that.

Also… if you’re awarded military medals, or olympic medals, or artistic excellence honors, it would really suck to have it pinned on by the someone you voted against and who it makes you ill to have to be polite to. When it comes from the Queen, it means you’ve been honored by the whole country past present and future.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:19:09pm

re: #164 Belafon

You’d need a candidate with a few billion in donations.

And there we have why Citizens United fucked up a lot of things. I hate to say it but I don’t think Obama gets anywhere in the current environment and that’s a shame. You have to have name recon or money recon to be able to go far in this sad to say or benefit from the primary-caucus that benefits candidates who are lily white.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:20:15pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s something funny about this family acting like they have any understanding of what the working class actually goes through. And i mean everyone in the working class. Not just dipshits who call themselves working class because they want to feel like they’re modest when tehy’re not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:20:22pm

O_o

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:21:12pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

So which of these dumbshits is Trump’s Speer?

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:21:31pm

re: #5 Belafon

It’s why I say that the US suffered through a long campaign of terror before 9/11.

And the terrorists won.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:23:45pm

re: #174 Romantic Heretic

It’s why I say that the US suffered through a long campaign of terror before 9/11.

And the terrorists won.

They’re kind of right when they said 9/11 changed everything. The problem was there was a lot that did not change for better. I don’t even blame Bush for that completely. That whole attack really was for so many what Pearl Harbor must have been. I do think the Bush administration’s response to that hurt things. The smart thing to do would have been to taken the genuine good will we had from our allies afterwards and worked to find Bin Laden. The one thing I think W and Cheney never learned from W’s father was how coalition building matters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:26:45pm

Spring Is Coming!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:27:27pm

re: #173 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

So which of these dumbshits is Trump’s Speer?

One of the TrumpSpawn, no doubt

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:28:54pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the TrumpSpawn, no doubt

Assuming also that “classical style” includes “TRUMP” in 10’ high gold letters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:29:01pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:31:50pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the TrumpSpawn, no doubt

Aha. Anyhow I’m watching the Netflix series on Hitler’s inner circle. Disturbing stuff. re: #178 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Assuming also that “classical style” includes “TRUMP” in 10’ high gold letters.

Been saying this but Miller is Bormann.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:32:34pm

re: #178 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Assuming also that “classical style” includes “TRUMP” in 10’ high gold letters.

I naturally assumed that vulgar amounts of gold leaf are required

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:33:50pm

re: #173 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Did you see this?


“Classical” Architecture Is Just One Way Tyrants Build in Their Own Image

Trump’s draft plan for federal buildings has something in common with 20th century fascists—and 21st century strongmen.

slate.com

National Civic Art Society
civicart.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:36:15pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:36:38pm

Lil Gnat

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:38:14pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

lil Brussels Sprouts

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Dread Pirate  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:38:35pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:39:38pm

re: #182 jaunte

Did you see this?


“Classical” Architecture Is Just One Way Tyrants Build in Their Own Image

Trump’s draft plan for federal buildings has something in common with 20th century fascists—and 21st century strongmen.

slate.com

National Civic Art Society
civicart.org

I did not but it definitely caught my eye.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:40:21pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lil Connemara Whiskey.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:44:44pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:44:51pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lil Tan tan ramen

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:44:58pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lil Pork Chop

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:46:12pm

re: #191 Eric The Fruit Bat

Lil Pork Chop

I’m about to be Lil Pulled Pork.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:47:27pm

re: #189 DodgerFan1988

G-d bows down to DT? I do not think so. G-d has “plans” for DT.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:49:57pm

Lil Pringles

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:50:12pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

L’il Chicken Pot Pie (minus the pie)

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:50:27pm

Interesting

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A Mom Anon  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:52:08pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now that’s what I like to see. You have to make a pest of yourselves and make life inconvenient for these fucks or they don’t take it seriously. I’m all for scaring them a little. I wonder if he’s even home though. If not, it’s not gonna have much impact.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:52:23pm
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calochortus  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:52:44pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

I naturally assumed that vulgar amounts of gold leafspray paint are required

Fixed.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:53:37pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

Interesting

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If the Judiciary really thought poorly of this the case judge could send a real message by giving Stone a close to maximum sentence and ignore the modified recommendation. That would send a very clear and unambiguous message to Barr and Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:54:42pm

re: #197 A Mom Anon

Now that’s what I like to see. You have to make a pest of yourselves and make life inconvenient for these fucks or they don’t take it seriously. I’m all for scaring them a little. I wonder if he’s even home though. If not, it’s not gonna have much impact.

Neighbors won’t happy either way.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 17, 2020 • 2:59:20pm

Not an “accident,” negligent homicide. It should be a felony and the perp should lose gun rights for life

Man cleaning gun accidentally shoots, kills best friend: Police

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:03:18pm
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A Mom Anon  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:04:31pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lil’ Scampi reporting for duty!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:05:37pm

re: #200 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

If the Judiciary really thought poorly of this the case judge could send a real message by giving Stone a close to maximum sentence and ignore the modified recommendation. That would send a very clear and unambiguous message to Barr and Trump.

That Trump would immediately turn around and spin to his base as justification for his attacks on her, selling his immediate pardon as necessary and restorative. Judge Jackson might be better off simply sentencing Stone to time already served and then issuing a written statement that Trump and AG Barr have deliberately, corruptly and so utterly fucked up the Court’s ability to render meaningful justice in this case that it effectively no longer exists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:08:25pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:09:34pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

That Trump would immediately turn around and spin to his base as justification for his attacks on her, selling his immediate pardon as necessary and restorative. Judge Jackson might be better off simply sentencing Stone to time already served and then issuing a written statement that Trump and AG Barr have deliberately, corruptly and so utterly fucked up the Court’s ability to render justice in this case that it effectively no longer exists.

Caving to them and then acting “concerned” would send the worst possible message.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:12:16pm
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calochortus  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:12:39pm

re: #207 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Caving to them and then acting “concerned” would send the worst possible message.

The judge needs to do whatever she was going to do without all the interference.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:13:08pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lil’ Chocolate Chip Cookies

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:14:38pm

re: #209 calochortus

The judge needs to do whatever she was going to do without all the interference.

I think presidential interference as in the Stone case is a legit aggravating factor for sentencing.

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calochortus  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:17:12pm

re: #211 EPR-radar

I think presidential interference as in the Stone case is a legit aggravating factor for sentencing.

Yes, but I’m not a fan of giving critics any reason to say there was retribution against Stone because of something Trump and Barr did. I’m sure Stone endorses the administrations actions, but it would still look like punishing Stone for something Trump and Barr did.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:17:34pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

That Trump would immediately turn around and spin to his base as justification for his attacks on her, selling his immediate pardon as necessary and restorative. Judge Jackson might be better off simply sentencing Stone to time already served and then issuing a written statement that Trump and AG Barr have deliberately, corruptly and so utterly fucked up the Court’s ability to render meaningful justice in this case that it effectively no longer exists.

So, do you think impeachment was wrong?

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:21:55pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

“They also only beat Athens by becoming the Persians pets”

Someone who actually knows history in the replies!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:22:02pm

Lil’ SausageEggBiscuit (From QuikTripostan)

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steve_davis  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:22:16pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is was such an astoundingly big deal that we elected a black President twelve years ago…but history is rarely linear & straightforward…you make progress and then you take some steps back.

We need to get back into Progress Mode.

“The Founding Fathers risked everything to establish a new, independent America - mostly for the advantage of wealthy white landowners like themselves, because they didn’t trust anyone but their own sort of people to run the government responsibly.”

With damned good reason, it turns out. though the northerners would not have cared a jot if a black man became a successful property owner and voter.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:29:23pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

That Trump would immediately turn around and spin to his base as justification for his attacks on her, selling his immediate pardon as necessary and restorative. Judge Jackson might be better off simply sentencing Stone to time already served and then issuing a written statement that Trump and AG Barr have deliberately, corruptly and so utterly fucked up the Court’s ability to render meaningful justice in this case that it effectively no longer exists.

Let her throw the fucking book at Stone and issue an order that if Trump issues a pardon she will find him in contempt of court.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:29:40pm

re: #216 steve_davis

As a stranger asked Benjamin Franklin what he was doing and Franklin replied, “Creating a Republic if you can keep it.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:31:55pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Li’l Jalapeno Lime Chip

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:35:12pm

re: #218 PhillyPretzel

As a stranger asked Benjamin Franklin what he was doing and Franklin replied, “Creating a Republic if you can keep it.”

Xtian homeschooled children will reply, “Franklin said we were One Nation Under God” and YES that is what is stated in Xtian homeschooling materials.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:36:19pm

re: #220 Joe Bacon 🌹

I know. I saw some of those homeschooling materials in a neighbors house. :(

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:38:23pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

That Trump would immediately turn around and spin to his base as justification for his attacks on her, selling his immediate pardon as necessary and restorative. Judge Jackson might be better off simply sentencing Stone to time already served and then issuing a written statement that Trump and AG Barr have deliberately, corruptly and so utterly fucked up the Court’s ability to render meaningful justice in this case that it effectively no longer exists.

That would be one of the feeblest things this judge could do. Either business as usual or enhanced sentencing with an explanation would be much better paths to take.

Let Trump pardon this shitbird Stone if he wants to keep Stone out of jail. There’s no reason at all for the judge to preemptively surrender.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:42:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:43:48pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:44:44pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is a good thing that I have an extra bottle of Benadryl in the house.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:45:14pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

If losing Stephen Miller was that easy.

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Citizen K  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:45:44pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh man, as someone who has awful tree allergies every spring, this just makes me shudder all over.

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calochortus  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:46:03pm

re: #227 Citizen K

Oh man, as someone who has awful tree allergies every spring, this just makes me shudder all over.

Me too.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:46:50pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

First time for everything, I suppose — this first being the first video I’ve ever seen that made my eyes itch.

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Citizen K  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:47:39pm

I continue to believe that ‘electability’ is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:48:20pm

re: #230 Citizen K

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I continue to believe that ‘electability’ is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Except for women. 🤬

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Citizen K  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:49:12pm

re: #231 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Except for women. 🤬

But that’s the thing: women always run into the curious thing about how they lack ‘electability’.

The self-fulfilling prophecy runs both ways.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:49:29pm

re: #189 DodgerFan1988

It’s a spoof.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:50:07pm

re: #231 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Except for women. 🤬

I have to say that the pattern of the media erasing Warren from coverage of the campaign is blatant.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:51:08pm

re: #232 Citizen K

But that’s the thing: women always run into the curious thing about how they lack ‘electability’.

The self-fulfilling prophecy runs both ways.

Not lack of electability per se. Lack of any institutional support (every single “reporter”), being ignored, and to a degree, electability because a lot of people - men and women - don’t believe a woman should be president.

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Citizen K  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:55:20pm

re: #235 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Not lack of electability per se. Lack of any institutional support (every single “reporter”), being ignored, and to a degree, electability because a lot of people - men and women - don’t believe a woman should be president.

But that’s exactly what I mean about a self-fulfilling prophecy. How much of that (lack of) coverage is directly because they don’t believe she has a chance to begin with? That she’s not actually ‘electable’ compared to those being heavily covered? It’s the kind of thing that feeds itself so they can go back and point to their decision not to give her oxygen and then path themselves on the back for predicting her lack of viability. And yeah, part of that too is still the idea that a woman in general is just not ‘electable’, thus not worth covering, thus lacking support to be electable, thus justifying the lack of coverage, etc., etc. etc.

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BeachDem  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:56:41pm

So close, Jennifer—you’re just inches away from being a Democrat. Time to give up the “conservative” ghost.

The descent of the GOP into authoritarian know-nothingism

It is not as if anti-intellectualism suddenly appeared with the election of President Trump. The habitual rejection of expertise on everything from climate change to the economic impact of immigration has been rampant in the Republican Party for some time…

Trump has merged the know-nothingism of right-wing populism with a far more dangerous intellectual evolution from defense of limited-government conservatism, which was formerly at the heart of modern conservatism, to outright worship of authoritarianism. Now, far too many conservatives have reverence for executive power and reject constitutional government.

washingtonpost.com

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:58:33pm

This was the public relations pitfall of Trump’s plan, raising an entire class of children in US custody only accelerated their cultural and linguistic assimilation

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 17, 2020 • 3:59:31pm

re: #10 The Pie Overlord!

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And not a few men…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:03:14pm

gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:04:22pm

Tweety Matthews starts Hardball tonight and he’s on the warpath against Warren.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:04:34pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:04:39pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

Talk about backward. ::: eye roll :::

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Dread Pirate  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:05:30pm

re: #225 PhillyPretzel

It is a good thing that I have an extra bottle of Benadryl in the house.

I ordered a jar of 1000 50mg capsules on Amazon just 5 minutes before I saw that video.

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KGxvi  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:08:10pm

re: #237 BeachDem

So close, Jennifer—you’re just inches away from being a Democrat. Time to give up the “conservative” ghost.

The descent of the GOP into authoritarian know-nothingism

It is not as if anti-intellectualism suddenly appeared with the election of President Trump. The habitual rejection of expertise on everything from climate change to the economic impact of immigration has been rampant in the Republican Party for some time…

Trump has merged the know-nothingism of right-wing populism with a far more dangerous intellectual evolution from defense of limited-government conservatism, which was formerly at the heart of modern conservatism, to outright worship of authoritarianism. Now, far too many conservatives have reverence for executive power and reject constitutional government.

washingtonpost.com

When I was in law school during the GW Bush administration, the conservative movement was definitely drifting towards loving them some executive power. I saw it up close in a lot of Fed Soc events.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:11:59pm

Uh huh. Decided on his own to do something utterly unprecedented in the entire fucking history of the DoJ. Barr then, also on his own, decided not to articulate any error made by the career prosecutors who had calculated Stone’s offense level in the Federal Sentencing Guidelines. He just says, vaguely, in this one singular case the recommendation was “too long.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:12:01pm

re: #232 Citizen K

But that’s the thing: women always run into the curious thing about how they lack ‘electability’.

The self-fulfilling prophecy runs both ways.

Given how many well-known and respected male “journalists” demeaned and harassed women (Charlie Rose, Matt Lauer, Mark Halperin etc), it’s not surprising that women have a serious disadvantage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:12:07pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:12:36pm

re: #245 KGxvi

When I was in law school during the GW Bush administration, the conservative movement was definitely drifting towards loving them some executive power. I saw it up close in a lot of Fed Soc events.

Really? Do tell.

Why did you attend? Genuinely curious.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:13:14pm

re: #222 EPR-radar

That would be one of the feeblest things this judge could do. Either business as usual or enhanced sentencing with an explanation would be much better paths to take.

Let Trump pardon this shitbird Stone if he wants to keep Stone out of jail. There’s no reason at all for the judge to preemptively surrender.

Agreed. The problem with worrying about Trump’s base is that it ignores that his base is shrinking and will likely continue to do so as people get more and more disgusted with him. It won’t matter how biting or righteous a speech the judge gives, the only thing that would matter if she lets him go on less than the original recommended sentence is that pressure from the White House worked. Which will only embolden the Cheeto-stained asshat to go after other judges and other prosecutors.

If our system of justice is survive, then it needs to stop worrying about how its actions play to angry white men and start worrying about fulfilling its duties to the nation as a whole.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:13:27pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

Needs a hash-browns bun.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:13:40pm

re: #246 goddamnedfrank

Barr…

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:14:48pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is already a French Fry po’boy in New Orleans. That is nothing new.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:14:59pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:15:04pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So basically it’s a chip butty, except with a burger bun instead of plain bread.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:16:21pm

re: #246 goddamnedfrank

The thing that truly alarms me is that Barr is NOT a stupid man. There’s no way in hell he wanted to publicly own such a patently corrupt miscarriage of justice. The fact that he actually did it out in the open like this testament to how utterly fucking out of control Trump’s tantrums have become.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:18:00pm

re: #246 goddamnedfrank

Uh huh. Decided on his own to do something utterly unprecedented in the entire fucking history of the DoJ. Barr then, also on his own, decided not to articulate any error made by the career prosecutors who had calculated Stone’s offense level in the Federal Sentencing Guidelines. He just says, vaguely, in this one singular case the recommendation was “too long.”

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“Who will rid me of this turbulent Sentencing Guideline?”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:19:09pm

re: #256 goddamnedfrank

The thing that truly alarms me is that Barr is NOT a stupid man. There’s no way in hell he wanted to publicly own such a patently corrupt miscarriage of justice. The fact that he actually did it out in the open like this testament to how utterly fucking out of control Trump’s tantrums have become.

Imagine now with all the attorney’s coming out against Barr how much FUCK IT, ALL IN on fascism he’s going to be.

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KGxvi  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:19:21pm

re: #249 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Really? Do tell.

Why did you attend? Genuinely curious.

I was then a generally center-right libertarian; as opposed to the center-left libertarian I consider myself today. Mostly it was networking type stuff, which I was generally never very good at. Some of it was quite interesting, on a philosophical level, but I was never a populist and never a social conservative. So, even by my third year in law school (04/05), I was starting to drift away from it.

I think the strangest moment was being at some regional event and a speaker talking about repealing the 17th amendment at one point. Because apparently, direct election of senators was a terrible mistake. I remember looking at some of my law school colleagues like “really? that’s the hill he wants to die on?”

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:19:46pm

re: #256 goddamnedfrank

The thing that truly alarms me is that Barr is NOT a stupid man. There’s no way in hell he wanted to publicly own such a patently corrupt miscarriage of justice. The fact that he actually did it out in the open like this testament to how utterly fucking out of control Trump’s tantrums have become.

Once Trump screeched on Twitter, there was no real way for Barr to get out of the way of that train wreck. He’s tried to thread the needle by mumbling excuses for following Trump’s orders while making a feeble attempt to show “independence,” but the reality is that the wannabe mob boss gave an order and the caporegime complied.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:21:37pm

re: #252 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Barr…

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IT is possible Barr fails to grasp that Trump WANTS people to know he’s getting a sweetheart deal for Roger Stone, just like he WANTS people to know that McCabe was kept dangling for an extra 6 months because Trump wanted it, and that the Vindmans were kicked to the curb for him.

For Trump, the narcissist, there’s no point abusing power if people can’t SEE you abusing it.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:24:33pm
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KGxvi  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:24:53pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

Once Trump screeched on Twitter, there was no real way for Barr to get out of the way of that train wreck. He’s tried to thread the needle by mumbling excuses for following Trump’s orders while making a feeble attempt to show “independence,” but the reality is that the wannabe mob boss gave an order and the caporegime complied.

Part of this is a flaw built into our system. We have a “tradition” of the DOJ being “independent” from the executive branch, but the truth is, it is not. The AG, like all cabinet officials, serves at the pleasure of the president, and (s)he exercises delegated executive power.

Trump really is the test case for a lot of hypotheticals that lawyers and law students would consider when taking constitutional law classes and debating the extent of executive power. We’ve now seen that most of those safeguards are built around the idea of the president not being the sort of person who would even test them. The system, unsurprisingly, I suppose, fails when an amoral man is placed in power.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:25:21pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

Once Trump screeched on Twitter, there was no real way for Barr to get out of the way of that train wreck. He’s tried to thread the needle by mumbling excuses for following Trump’s orders while making a feeble attempt to show “independence,” but the reality is that the wannabe mob boss gave an order and the caporegime complied.

Barr thought being AG would be the easiest end-career job he could have — doing business as usual for corrupt Republicans, and having Gonzales as a prior AG as insurance against being named the most worthless and corrupt AG ever.

But Trump has made that insurance useless, and everyone* in the entire country knows he is nothing more than Trump’s mouthpiece, just as in the mob.

(*) except for the few dozen or so people in the US that can still read centrist both-sides drivel by David Brooks et al. and actually believe that shit.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:30:38pm

Like so many authoritarian states, what you have is a pack of opportunists around a strongman, each happily going along with the regime until the day it crosses a line that they personally disagree with. They make their excuses, they rationalize it, but eventually they either find themselves escaping out the back door or being drug out the front door.

Sessions took the AG job because he liked the idea of being Donny’s enforcer of racial superiority, but he ended up being shown the door when he had one too many problems with Donny criming out loud. Now Barr is working the job because he’s cool with thinking an exec has unlimited and unchallenged authority, but even he’s starting to chafe under the whole criming out in the open.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:31:02pm

re: #263 KGxvi

The system, unsurprisingly, I suppose, fails when an amoral man is placed in power.

And an entire political party supports it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:31:49pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:33:13pm

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

Happy B’day Annie Glenn. 100 years. What a milestone. :)

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:33:48pm

re: #265 Targetpractice

Like so many authoritarian states, what you have is a pack of opportunists around a strongman, each happily going along with the regime until the day it crosses a line that they personally disagree with. They make their excuses, they rationalize it, but eventually they either find themselves escaping out the back door or being drug out the front door.

Sessions took the AG job because he liked the idea of being Donny’s enforcer of racial superiority, but he ended up being shown the door when he had one too many problems with Donny criming out loud. Now Barr is working the job because he’s cool with thinking an exec has unlimited and unchallenged authority, but even he’s starting to chafe under the whole criming out in the open.

It’s beyond ridiculous that the GOP couldn’t even do the simple housekeeping chore of booting Trump out of office and getting Pence in his place in the Senate trial. They are just that scared of Trump’s deplorables.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:36:06pm

this is what NASCAR fans live for:

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:36:29pm

re: #189 DodgerFan1988

A true member of The American Faith!

Not what Jesus hoped for.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:37:21pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:38:36pm

re: #265 Targetpractice

Like so many authoritarian states, what you have is a pack of opportunists around a strongman, each happily going along with the regime until the day it crosses a line that they personally disagree with. They make their excuses, they rationalize it, but eventually they either find themselves escaping out the back door or being drug out the front door.

Sessions took the AG job because he liked the idea of being Donny’s enforcer of racial superiority, but he ended up being shown the door when he had one too many problems with Donny criming out loud. Now Barr is working the job because he’s cool with thinking an exec has unlimited and unchallenged authority, but even he’s starting to chafe under the whole criming out in the open.

I don’t think Barr has a problem at all with the criming out in the open. He’s on board with a theocracy and is working full-time to help Trump friends escape punishment they deserve and make sure that Trump foes are harmed even though they’ve committed no crimes.

He may have believed that the institutions have been so damaged that he would retain power. Let’s see if he will fall. Here’s hoping.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:42:06pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:43:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:44:55pm

this one never gets old

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Chrysicat  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:45:14pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:46:00pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:46:06pm

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well done Kitty. :)

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Citizen K  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:46:26pm

re: #277 Chrysicat

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As I’ve said before, he could have been just as effective in attacks against Trump without having to run for president, and we’ve already seen glimpses of what he can and will do with executive power. It’s not pretty.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:47:23pm

re: #273 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t think he has a problem at all with the criming out in the open. He’s on board with a theocracy and is working full-time to help Trump friends escape punishment they deserve and make sure that Trump foes are harmed even though they’ve committed no crimes.

The issue as Barr sees it is that he’s cool with being an accessory but not with being an accomplice. He would have gone along with whatever BS excuse Trump made to pardon Stone, but he’s not cool with the WH directly ordering the DOJ to change sentencing guidelines to help out the president’s buddies. In a screwed-up way, what Barr is really having an issue with is his boss telling him how to do his job.

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uriel  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:50:28pm

Heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:50:52pm

teehee

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:50:55pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

Moron In Chief has no fucking idea what “Quantitative Easing” is.

I mean, I don’t, even after looking it up on Google.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:53:05pm

re: #284 The Pie Overlord!

Moron In Chief has no fucking idea what “Quantitative Easing” is.

I mean, I don’t, even after looking it up on Google.

Sarah Palin didn’t know either and it didn’t stop her

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:53:35pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:53:35pm

re: #284 The Pie Overlord!

Even the free dictionary has it:
thefreedictionary.com

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:55:21pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:55:56pm

re: #281 Targetpractice

The issue as Barr sees it is that he’s cool with being an accessory but not with being an accomplice. He would have gone along with whatever BS excuse Trump made to pardon Stone, but he’s not cool with the WH directly ordering the DOJ to change sentencing guidelines to help out the president’s buddies. In a screwed-up way, what Barr is really having an issue with is his boss telling him how to do his job.

It is doubtful Mr. “A Republican President is King and cannot be checked” Barr cares about that at all. His only fear is that he may end up in prison like Nixon’s lackey John Mitchell. This is the first time he’s worked with a president more corrupt than he is — but I’m sure that he has been educating Trump about how to be a dictator — lessons supplemental to those administered by Trump’s principal adviser Putin. Or perhaps this is the first time Barr has lost control of the situation (hope — hope — hope). Would love to see him fired by a tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:56:23pm
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mmmirele  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:58:17pm

re: #98 BeachDem

And because I have to be weird and contrary:

Lola - The Kinks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:58:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 4:59:03pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:04:28pm
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mmmirele  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:04:46pm

re: #116 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not going to make fun of NASCAR fans for liking NASCAR or engage in any kind of elitist sneering.

Instead, I’ll observe that the ‘Stock Cars’ raced in NASCAR these days are racing frames with a fake body on top that pays homage to some actual car, rather than actual cars you could buy that were then tweaked by the teams.

When I was a kid, Mopar sold hundreds of Dodge Daytonas and Plymouth Superbirds to run on the street, just so they could race them. You could get them with the legendary 426 Hemi, the street version of the motor that Richard Petty et al. raced with.

Now? Not even remotely “stock cars”. Feh.

That’s more than correct. The fake body on top is mostly fiberglass, and it has ISSUES. If an edge catches the wind in any way, the wind will rip it off, as happened to a couple of drivers during the Xfinity race on Saturday. They lost their hoods and started chain reaction wrecks. The other thing about it being fiberglass is that unlike metal, you can’t really bend it back if you get hit around the wheelwell.

After one crash took out several cars, my brother remarked, “Well there’s a million dollars headed to the Dumpster.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:08:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:14:03pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:14:10pm

The “pro-life” party is bent on forcing more mercury pollution back into our air even though the industry has moved on:

“…Exelon, one of the nation’s largest utilities, told the EPA that its effort to change a rule that has cut emissions of mercury and other toxins is “an action that is entirely unnecessary, unreasonable, and universally opposed by the power generation sector.”

Kathy Robertson, a senior manager for environmental policy at the company, said the industry long ago complied with the rule.

…………

“…The rule in question, known as the Mercury and Air Toxics Standards (MATS), targets a powerful neurotoxin that can affect the IQ and motor skills of children, even in utero. Between 2006, when states began to curb mercury from coal plants, and 2016, when the Obama-era rule took full effect, emissions have declined 85 percent.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:15:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:17:27pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:26:26pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:28:13pm

re: #301 The Pie Overlord!

It looks like James Woods is sniffing the airplane glue again.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:28:25pm

lil’ Quesadilla

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:34:37pm

re: #301 The Pie Overlord!

I thought James Woods flounced from Twitter.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:34:39pm

A little good news in Massachusetts: Our governor, Charlie Baker, will retire after his second term expires in 2022. Don’t worry for him; a $7 million net worth means he’s got his, and he’ll never be asked to ride the T ever again.
wickedlocal.com

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:35:18pm

Lil’ turkey sandwich. With sprouts.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:35:25pm
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uriel  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:39:03pm

re: #302 PhillyPretzel

It looks like James Woods is sniffing the airplane glue again.

I think you misspelled “still.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:39:22pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:46:46pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:48:38pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Interesting. Barr replaced Ayer as Deputy AG. Remember that Barr was not HW Bush’s first AG.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:53:06pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:54:59pm

re: #311 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Interesting. Barr replaced Ayer as Deputy AG. Remember that Barr was not HW Bush’s first AG.

I’ll never forget HW asking Limbaugh on a hot mic about “our man Ailes”. Good times. 🤬

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danarchy  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:57:04pm

re: #305 Sherlock Hound

A little good news in Massachusetts: Our governor, Charlie Baker, will retire after his second term expires in 2022. Don’t worry for him; a $7 million net worth means he’s got his, and he’ll never be asked to ride the T ever again.
wickedlocal.com

Um the article you linked says he isn’t ruling out a third term. Besides, I haven’t noticed any discernible change to MA politics since he took over from Deval.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 5:57:50pm

re: #313 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’ll never forget HW asking Limbaugh on a hot mic about “our man Ailes”. Good times. 🤬

Ailes of course was a Nixon alum. This faux populist shit is old. But anyhow Ayer makes some great points about why Barr is so dangerous.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:07:53pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:14:55pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:15:06pm

re: #316 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

He does know how to fight back, that’s for sure. Quick and effectively.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:17:08pm
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mmmirele  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:17:22pm

The Daytona 500 ended with a very bad crash. Ryan Newman spun out and was hit twice and flipped over twice as he crossed the finish line.

There is no word yet on his condition.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:18:57pm

re: #217 Joe Bacon 🌹

Let her throw the fucking book at Stone and issue an order that if Trump issues a pardon she will find him in contempt of court.

She can’t charge Trump with contempt of court because pardon power is inherent in the Constitution.

He’s not going to pardon Stone for the same reason he hasn’t pardoned Gates, Papadopoulis, Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, &c.

Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt, and their testimony can be used against him in state or federal trials. He isn’t going to allow that.

That is why he only pardons people who can’t hurt him, like Joe Arapaio.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:20:01pm

re: #320 mmmirele

The Husband was watching it and played it back for me. Holy crap. No way is he alright. I hope he is, but damn.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:23:14pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:28:02pm

re: #320 mmmirele

re: #322 A Mom Anon

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:28:26pm

I want one of these, next to the metronome on top of the piano that I never play but use as a photo stand for family pictures.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:32:01pm

re: #320 mmmirele

The Daytona 500 ended with a very bad crash. Ryan Newman spun out and was hit twice and flipped over twice as he crossed the finish line.

[Embedded content]

There is no word yet on his condition.

He was driving the Koch Industries car.

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Citizen K  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:35:16pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

I can’t co-sign this take. It leaves too much of an impression that Trump is the source rather than a symptom of the Republican Party’s malfeasance.

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:36:05pm

I get frustrated as all get out by Youtube quite often. Yet, you can be looking for something and find something else quite glorious. To whit, this dance number by Fred Astaire and the always delightful Rita Hayworth:

Fred Astaire & Rita Hayworth - The Shorty George

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:36:49pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

You either like Trump or you don’t. It’s a cult of personality like I’ve never seen around an American President.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:36:49pm

re: #327 Citizen K

I can’t co-sign this take. It leaves too much of an impression that Trump is the source rather than a symptom of the Republican Party’s malfeasance.

Sometimes you have the title of the book before starting. Sometimes it doesn’t come until the end.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:39:00pm

re: #327 Citizen K

I can’t co-sign this take. It leaves too much of an impression that Trump is the source rather than a symptom of the Republican Party’s malfeasance.

Read what he’s saying again. It’s not absolving the GOP of blame but stating they are Trump’s party and shaped only by his whims. Remember when we heard Bannon say he wanted Leninism? This is that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:40:55pm

Anyhow I’ve been watching the Netflix documentary about Hitler’s inner circle and it strikes me that so many high ranking Nazis do the same thing Trumps do. They kiss his ass while probably undermining each other. I remember there being rumors that Meadows wants to replace Mulvaney.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:41:06pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:42:03pm

re: #325 The Pie Overlord!

Not as cool as that one but:
dickblick.com

I’ve been looking for one of these but I didn’t know the name of it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:42:17pm

re: #327 Citizen K

I can’t co-sign this take. It leaves too much of an impression that Trump is the source rather than a symptom of the Republican Party’s malfeasance.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:43:01pm

re: #333 makeitstop

[Embedded content]

I’m really sick thinking about what’s happening to our country win or lose this election.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:44:06pm

re: #325 The Pie Overlord!

I want one of these, next to the metronome on top of the piano that I never play but use as a photo stand for family pictures.

Need for my calligraphy supplies. Can get one from the UK for £24.
scriptum.co.uk

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:51:06pm

re: #328 William Lewis

I get frustrated as all get out by Youtube quite often. Yet, you can be looking for something and find something else quite glorious. To whit, this dance number by Fred Astaire and the always delightful Rita Hayworth:

[Embedded content]

Video

These dancers could dance the pants off Fred Astaire

Swing Dance 1940

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:54:06pm

re: #338 The Pie Overlord!

These dancers could dance the pants off Fred Astaire

[Embedded content]

Video

Almost as if YouTube’s algorithms are coloured against certain videos …

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:56:26pm

Watching Rachel. Need to get new book “Dark Towers” about how Deutsche Bank may launder Russian money to lend to Trump when no other bank would lend to him.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 17, 2020 • 6:57:18pm

No official word.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 7:06:28pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2020 • 7:07:45pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 17, 2020 • 7:10:21pm

re: #320 mmmirele

The Daytona 500 ended with a very bad crash. Ryan Newman spun out and was hit twice and flipped over twice as he crossed the finish line.

[Embedded content]

There is no word yet on his condition.

Saved from the DNF?

/too early? I’m sorry.

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Chrysicat  Feb 17, 2020 • 7:17:58pm

re: #116 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not going to make fun of NASCAR fans for liking NASCAR or engage in any kind of elitist sneering.

Instead, I’ll observe that the ‘Stock Cars’ raced in NASCAR these days are racing frames with a fake body on top that pays homage to some actual car, rather than actual cars you could buy that were then tweaked by the teams.

When I was a kid, Mopar sold hundreds of Dodge Daytonas and Plymouth Superbirds to run on the street, just so they could race them. You could get them with the legendary 426 Hemi, the street version of the motor that Richard Petty et al. raced with.

Now? Not even remotely “stock cars”. Feh.

And then add to that that “open-wheel” racing is probably coming to an end due to safety concerns, and you get a situation where people will have to know minutiae to distinguish a Whatever-someone’s-willing-to-sponsor Cup car from an F1 car in another decade.

Though F1 will admittedly not insist on looking vaguely like street vehicles, you hope.

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2020 • 7:23:25pm

re: #345 Chrysicat

And then add to that that “open-wheel” racing is probably coming to an end due to safety concerns, and you get a situation where people will have to know minutiae to distinguish a Whatever-someone’s-willing-to-sponsor Cup car from an F1 car in another decade.

Though F1 will admittedly not insist on looking vaguely like street vehicles, you hope.

I hadn’t heard they were going to do away with open wheel cars. That would be a loss. Growing up, I loved cars like this:

Lotus 38 at Indy 1965.

Now THAT is my idea of a race car.

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Chrysicat  Feb 17, 2020 • 7:25:49pm

re: #346 William Lewis

I hadn’t heard they were going to do away with open wheel cars. That would be a loss. Growing up, I loved cars like this:

[Embedded content]

Lotus 38 at Indy 1965.

Now THAT is my idea of a race car.

Not so much “do away with”, but the problem is that track debris and open cockpits, even with a halo, get people killed when the open rear wheels lob it into their helmeted cranium.

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BeachDem  Feb 17, 2020 • 7:56:22pm

re: #291 mmmirele

And because I have to be weird and contrary:

Lola - The Kinks.

Hah—from the last thread—
re: #220 BeachDem

Lola, Layla, Gloria, Amanda (Boston and Waylon), Sue (Runaround and a Boy Named), Cindy (many—including Cindy’s Birthday)…hell, it would be easier to name songs that DON’T have a girl’s name.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 17, 2020 • 8:04:59pm

re: #17 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

come on, eileen

Stop calling me Eileen!

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2020 • 8:21:56pm

re: #280 Citizen K

As I’ve said before, he could have been just as effective in attacks against Trump without having to run for president, and we’ve already seen glimpses of what he can and will do with executive power. It’s not pretty.

Not true.

Broadcast TV stations, cable stations, radio stations, has the option to refuse to sell airtime to most advertisers, if they want. Or to charge 3x their usual rates. They don’t even have to say why. But they CANNOT do that to a candidate. They MUST sell the campaign as much time as the campaign wants to buy. And they have to charge the lowest rate they ever charge any advertiser.

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John Hughes  Feb 18, 2020 • 8:35:05am

re: #44 plansbandc

machin (French)

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John Hughes  Feb 18, 2020 • 8:41:33am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Except that the Monarchy represents an outdated tradition of hereditary rule that is still manifest and highly prevalent in the British Class system

Good. Now discuss Holland, Sweden, Spain, Denmark, Norway and Belgium.

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John Hughes  Feb 18, 2020 • 8:54:19am

re: #118 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Per Wikipedia “The states that have adopted stand-your-ground in practice … Virginia”.

Shoot him.

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John Hughes  Feb 18, 2020 • 8:56:47am

re: #122 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Jeff Bozos is donating $10 billion to fight climate change. vox.com

Shit. Good man.

Jeff Bozos is doing no such thing. He’s setting up a foundation with about 8% of his money. The foundation will do what he tells it.

No “donation” involved.

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John Hughes  Feb 18, 2020 • 9:21:13am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s wrong with a chip buttie?

Well, apart from the fact that Burger King “french fries” are a poor excuse for chips and their buns are a poor excuse for bread. And they seem to have replaced the butter with something strange.


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