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1
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 11:36:55am

Check out @matthewamiller’s Tweet:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2020 • 11:46:57am

I have come here to chew ass and kick bubblegum!

Hold on, that can’t be right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2020 • 11:50:21am

It seems to me that wearing your AR15 to the State Capitol to ‘demonstrate the 2nd Amendment’ is the same as shouting insults at random strangers in the street to demonstrate the 1st.

But at least we understand that the folks who do the latter are suffering mental illness.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 22, 2020 • 11:55:59am
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:12:08pm

I hope all of those people who believed in and voted for DT learn for this pandemic. I am not wishing for anyone to get sick but I want all of those silly people to realize that America is in deep doo-doo.

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plansbandc  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:22:08pm

Dogs are better than pretty much everything..

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:23:22pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:30:52pm

Take a wild guess who supported gun control after this happened (legally) at the Capitol in California.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:33:56pm

re: #3 Blind Frog Belly White

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It seems to me that wearing your AR15 to the State Capitol to ‘demonstrate the 2nd Amendment’ is the same as shouting insults at random strangers in the street to demonstrate the 1st.

But at least we understand that the folks who do the latter are suffering mental illness.

If you stood on the corner here in my town yelling at everyone you would be arrested for public disturbance or disturbing the peace. Even though there is no mention of regulation in the first amendment about any of those rights. But this person doesn’t want sane regulations on the second amendment, one that actually mentions the word regulation in it, and he can disturb the peace and threaten people that don’t want lunatics getting guns. And he doesn’t get arrested.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:39:01pm

BYU has dropped the ban on same sex dating from its Honor Code. All students are prohibited from engaging in premarital sex. slate.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:41:37pm

re: #10 NO SMOCKING GUN!

BYU has dropped the ban on same sex dating from its Honor Code. All students are prohibited from engaging in premarital sex. slate.com

Hahahahahahha. Good luck enforcing THAT.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:42:50pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:45:16pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

::: eye roll :::
TV shows have some clothes so that if something gets ripped or damaged there is a replacement.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:46:14pm

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Hahahahahahha. Good luck enforcing THAT.

When I was in college, we had “Intervis”, which was the intervisitation rules that stated that boys and girls were only allowed in the girls’ and boys’ (respectively) dorms until 2 AM. BUT there were no inspections of the rooms to look for violators, and the only penalty you faced if you were caught was Phil the Security Guard escorting you to the door.

We used to say that Intervis was designed to make sure boys and girls were in the girls’ and boys’ beds by a decent hour.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:47:32pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And it turns out she was renting it.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:48:21pm

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

Why am I not surprised?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:48:29pm

re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White

When I was in college, we had “Intervis”, which was the intervisitation rules that stated that boys and girls were only allowed in the girls’ and boys’ (respectively) dorms until 2 AM. BUT there were no inspections of the rooms to look for violators, and the only penalty you faced if you were caught was Phil the Security Guard escorting you to the door.

We used to say that Intervis was designed to make sure boys and girls were in the girls’ and boys’ beds by a decent hour.

At the private Christian university I attended, there were designated hours on Saturday night and Sunday afternoon where men and women could visit the dorms of the opposite gender. You could be written up for having your door closed too far, though this rule was rather selectively enforced.

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William Lewis  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:53:23pm

CL’d so Ill just repost the photo…a narrow road to a far county, if you will…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:54:17pm

re: #17 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

At the private Christian university I attended, there were designated hours on Saturday night and Sunday afternoon where men and women could visit the dorms of the opposite gender. You could be written up for having your door closed too far, though this rule was rather selectively enforced.

We had two dorms that were supposedly ‘coed by floor’, but we joked that at least some rooms in them were ‘coed by pillow’.

Mrs. FBW’s roommate freshman year dropped out after the second of 3 terms, and my roommate and I ended up despising each other, so I basically moved into her room. I still had to go back to my dorm to shower, though.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:55:16pm

re: #19 Blind Frog Belly White

We had two dorms that were supposedly ‘coed by floor’, but we joked that at least some rooms in them were ‘coed by pillow’.

Mrs. FBW’s roommate freshman year dropped out after the second of 3 terms, and my roommate and I ended up despising each other, so I basically moved into her room. I still had to go back to my dorm to shower, though.

Yes, we had two of those too. Their residents were somewhat looked down upon by the “pure and innocent” residents of the single-gender dorms.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:55:27pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bloody Wayne LaPierre’s clothing allowance is at least as much as AOC’s congressional salary.
rawstory.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:56:57pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Bloody Wayne LaPierre’s clothing allowance is at least as much as AOC’s congressional salary.
rawstory.com

Yes, but she’s a “socialist”, so apparently wearing anything other than a burlap sack with holes for her arms and head is hypocrisy. Like, you know, Al Gore being fat.

Not that she couldn’t pull off that look, mind you.

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Mescalero09  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:59:13pm

Hello ebberybuddy.
I’ve been a hockey fan most of my life. I still remember where I was (in a car carrier on the NY Thruway) when the US hockey team beat the Red Army team to get the shot at the Gold, which they won against Sweden. It was like a college team beat the defending Stanley Cup champs.
Huge. HUGE. From that moment on it was a steady climb in the sport here that now has some of the best in the world home grown. A very special moment in time. 40 years ago.
So after I saw this………Trump joined by ‘Miracle on Ice’ hockey team at Las Vegas rally all I can say is what the fuck.
Thanks guys. No. Really. Thanks.
And Kelly Brooks must be a literal genius.
Or is it Jenius?
jfc
*spit*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2020 • 12:59:55pm

re: #20 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yes, we had two of those too. Their residents were somewhat looked down upon by the “pure and innocent” residents of the single-gender dorms.

Yeesh. Glad I didn’t go there.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:02:15pm

re: #23 Mescalero09

They beat Finland for the gold. USSR beat Sweden for the bronze.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:12:09pm

Israel has expanded quarantine regulations, requiring all those returning from South Korea and Japan to remain in isolation for two weeks. Quarantine was previously mandated for Israelis returning from China, Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong and Macau.

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CarolJ  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:15:04pm

re: #17 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I briefly went to a HBCU back in the 70’s. I was told by older students that they once had not only single-sex dorms, but a curfew where everybody had to be in their dorm by 9pm. That lasted until Vietnam vets came in with their GI bill stuff, and vets who had seen Saigon and mortar fire wasn’t going to put up with such nonsense.

Why didn’t it happen after WWII or Korea? My surmise was that a lot of the GI’s back then were either already married before shipping out or married right after coming home. Married GI’s weren’t going to live in a dorm, or went back to town on weekends. But the new breed didn’t get married right away and got exposed to the Sexual Revolution. Being able to stay up all night and stay out all night meant they weren’t going to put up with that 9pm curfew nonsense.

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Mescalero09  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:17:02pm

re: #25 Ace Rothstein

They beat Finland for the gold. USSR beat Sweden for the bronze.

I was doing a fly by and didn’t remember correctly.
Hey, I was close..////

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bratwurst  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:18:27pm

re: #25 Ace Rothstein

They beat Finland for the gold. USSR beat Sweden for the bronze.

I just watched an NBC Sports Network special on this topic. Al Michaels points out that while most events people ALWAYS remember where they were for are negative (JFK assassination, 9/11, etc.) the one he will always be associated with was a very happy day indeed.

I grew up in Kansas City and hockey was not big there AT ALL, but yet I vividly remember exactly where I was when I heard about this win over the USSR.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:18:58pm

re: #27 CarolJ

I briefly went to a HBCU back in the 70’s. I was told by older students that they once had not only single-sex dorms, but a curfew where everybody had to be in their dorm by 9pm. That lasted until Vietnam vets came in with their GI bill stuff, and vets who had seen Saigon and mortar fire wasn’t going to put up with such nonsense.

We weren’t allowed to dance on campus. There was only one school-sanctioned dance, a square dance put on for new freshmen at the beginning of the year.

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:19:02pm

Heh…

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CarolJ  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:20:27pm

re: #30 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We weren’t allowed to dance on campus. There was only one school-sanctioned dance, a square dance put on for new freshmen at the beginning of the year.

What school was that, Quoth? Taliban U?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:20:31pm

re: #29 bratwurst

I just watched an NBC Sports Network special on this topic. Al Michaels points out that while most events people ALWAYS remember where they were for are negative (JFK assassination, 9/11, etc.) the one he will always be associated with was a very happy day indeed.

I grew up in Kansas City and hockey was not big there AT ALL, but yet I vividly remember exactly where I was when I heard about this win over the USSR.

I wasn’t born yet, my family lived in Ohio and they never actually mentioned it. Herb Brooks died in Minnesota in 2003, and I had never heard of him until the first time I watched the Disney movie with Kurt Russell in, like, 2007.

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Mescalero09  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:20:53pm

re: #29 bratwurst

KC had the Scouts for a few seconds….Then they were the Colorado Rockies and now the New Jersey Devils.

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:21:04pm

Does this mean Clint will talk to an empty chair at the Dem convention this time?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:21:36pm

re: #27 CarolJ

I briefly went to a HBCU back in the 70’s. I was told by older students that they once had not only single-sex dorms, but a curfew where everybody had to be in their dorm by 9pm. That lasted until Vietnam vets came in with their GI bill stuff, and vets who had seen Saigon and mortar fire wasn’t going to put up with such nonsense.

My college in Atlanta in the 1980s was mostly co-ed in dorms (by floor, of course), but there was one all-women’s dorm with a locking front door and a manned desk at the front for women from the better families, I guess. There were 13 fraternity houses, but sororities were restricted by county law: only three unrelated women could live together in a house (or it could be considered a house of ill-repute), and so the sororities had small cottages where the top three officers lived (or at least, that’s the story I heard).

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:21:41pm

re: #35 makeitstop

Does this mean Clint will talk to an empty chair at the Dem convention this time?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:22:43pm

re: #32 CarolJ

What school was that, Quoth? Taliban U?

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:24:10pm

The fuck is he even trying to say here?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:24:29pm

re: #37 makeitstop

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Puts the lie to “Bloomberg as Democrat.” But, again, he’d be better than Trump. So would the creature whose claws I can hear pacing the floor outside my door hoping I’ll take her for a walk.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:26:39pm

re: #31 makeitstop

Heh…

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bratwurst  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:32:22pm

re: #34 Mescalero09

KC had the Scouts for a few seconds….Then they were the Colorado Rockies and now the New Jersey Devils.

I am old enough to remember the two years of NHL hockey in Kansas City in the 70s, sorry to admit. The ridiculous thing is that by the late 80s our empty venue was STILL superior to at least a third of the venues in the league that had a team.

KC is way bigger now than it was then and has an empty new 21st century arena, but even so there just isn’t enough of a fanbase beyond the couple thousand diehards who show up for minor league hockey.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:35:18pm

re: #42 bratwurst

In the meantime, Minnesota is overtaking Detroit as the hockey capital of the US. In fact, the area where I live has the most successful high school hockey team in the State of Hockey. ESPN labeled it “the center of the center of the universe of hockey.”

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:36:13pm

re: #42 bratwurst

I am old enough to remember the two years of NHL hockey in Kansas City in the 70s, sorry to admit. The ridiculous thing is that by the late 80s our empty venue was STILL superior to at least a third of the venues in the league that had a team.

KC is way bigger now than it was then and has an empty new 21st century arena, but even so there just isn’t enough of a fanbase beyond the couple thousand diehards who show up for minor league hockey.

My HS stage band played in the seat stage for a Cleveland Barons game, must have been ‘77 sometime. It was fun. They only lasted a few years as a team.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:36:24pm

re: #22 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, but she’s a “socialist”, so apparently wearing anything other than a burlap sack with holes for her arms and head is hypocrisy. Like, you know, Al Gore being fat.

Not that she couldn’t pull off that look, mind you.

I saw some of that on Twitter. Republicans want to pretend that Democrats want to attack wealth until no one could afford a $3500 suit or a $600,000 home (Bernie’s vacation digs get thrown in.) At least I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they’re pretending. They could very well be that stupid though.

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bratwurst  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:36:26pm

re: #43 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In the meantime, Minnesota is overtaking Detroit as the hockey capital of the US. In fact, the area where I live has the most successful high school hockey team in the State of Hockey. ESPN labeled it “the center of the center of the universe of hockey.”

So ridiculous that the Twin Cities had to endure years without an NHL team so the people of Dallas could have a team instead. Minnesota is the STATE of hockey.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:39:17pm

re: #43 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In the meantime, Minnesota is overtaking Detroit as the hockey capital of the US. In fact, the area where I live has the most successful high school hockey team in the State of Hockey. ESPN labeled it “the center of the center of the universe of hockey.”

I visited a friend in 1987 who played hockey with me in Illinois and then moved to Minnesota and played for a small private college. He told me that the state high school tournament crowds in Minn. even then easily filled the UofMinnesota arena.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:39:21pm

re: #46 bratwurst

So ridiculous that the Twin Cities had to endure years without an NHL team so the people of Dallas could have a team instead. Minnesota is the STATE of hockey.

Not to mention that team won a Championship not long after it bailed on Minnesota.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:40:12pm

Texas has registered almost two million new voters since the 2016 election: kut.org

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:41:24pm

re: #47 Barefoot Grin

I visited a friend in 1987 who played hockey with me in Illinois and then moved to Minnesota and played for a small private college. He told me that the state high school tournament crowds in Minn. even then easily filled the UofMinnesota arena.

I believe it. Hockey is as much of a religion here as Lutheranism. I don’t follow the sport religiously, but it is fun to watch, I get the appeal.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:43:32pm

re: #49 Belafon

That is a good thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:50:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:55:58pm

seems to be going well in Nevada…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:56:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 1:58:43pm
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Weaselone  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:02:08pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

The answer is neither. M4A isn’t going to happen. Now if you want to talk about which candidate is most likely to get something passed that improves the existing system and probably includes some features that could in the future lead or be incorporated to an M4A plan, then your candidate is Warren.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:02:17pm

re: #31 makeitstop

Heh…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:04:57pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

seems to be going well in Nevada…

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Stupid motherfuckers. I hate this crap.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:05:09pm

speaking of hockey

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:05:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:10:15pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:14:10pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hmm. That appears to be as confusing as anything I have ever seen. Thank G-d PA has primaries. Unfortunately it is a closed primary.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:16:07pm

Remember when this website took to spelling “Luap Nor” as “Luap Nor” because to do otherwise would reliably summon hordes of shit-slinging flying monkeys?

I feel exactly — EXACTLY — the same vibe about Srednas Einreb.

The only difference is that now the stakes feel like life-or-death.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:22:57pm

re: #62 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. That appears to be as confusing as anything I have ever seen. Thank G-d PA has primaries. Unfortunately it is a closed primary.

Closed primaries are probably a good thing because of ratfucking Repugs.

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BeachDem  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:25:20pm

re: #62 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. That appears to be as confusing as anything I have ever seen. Thank G-d PA has primaries. Unfortunately it is a closed primary.

I would say it’s fortunate that it’s a closed primary. Ours is open (and a week from today) and there is a major Republican rat-fucking plan to have them vote for Bernie in big numbers in the Dem primary. They’re not even being coy about it—

Upstate GOP leaders plotting to impact SC Democratic primary by boosting Bernie Sanders
postandcourier.com

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:25:25pm

re: #3 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s wearing a helmet now, but it looks like too little, too late.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:25:27pm

re: #64 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

You have a point. There are some of my fellow committee people who are die hard DT supporters and will do anything to keep DT in the WH.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:30:49pm

Yesterday was my birthday. Between washing out all of my bedding and waiting for two packages I was stuck at home. At least today I was able to get out and buy some gourmet food for my quiet celebration.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:31:59pm

re: #68 PhillyPretzel

Happy belated Birthday!

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:32:35pm

re: #69 jaunte

Thank you. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:36:25pm

re: #65 BeachDem

I would say it’s fortunate that it’s a closed primary. Ours is open (and a week from today) and there is a major Republican rat-fucking plan to have them vote for Bernie in big numbers in the Dem primary. They’re not even being coy about it—

Upstate GOP leaders plotting to impact SC Democratic primary by boosting Bernie Sanders
postandcourier.com

That’s what they did in West Virginia in 2016…voted for Bernie in the primary and DT in the general

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:41:56pm

It’s fascinating how much this resembles 2016 on the GOP side. Remember, everyone thought nominating Trump would be a disaster for the GOP, but like Bernie this year, Trump brought in voters for the GOP who normally hadn’t voted Republican. Sanders is inspiring young people, and now in Nv he’s getting the Hispanic vote.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:43:00pm

re: #65 BeachDem

I would say it’s fortunate that it’s a closed primary. Ours is open (and a week from today) and there is a major Republican rat-fucking plan to have them vote for Bernie in big numbers in the Dem primary. They’re not even being coy about it—

Upstate GOP leaders plotting to impact SC Democratic primary by boosting Bernie Sanders
postandcourier.com

They have no primary to distract them so naturally it is in their best interest to take advantage of the system to ratf*ck wherever possible. They would love to see a brokered convention so they can go on about how “the Democrat Party is not democratic!”

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BeachDem  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:47:48pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s what they did in West Virginia in 2016…voted for Bernie in the primary and DT in the general

Since we’re early and the Republicans still hadn’t picked the asshole, they mostly stayed in their lane in 2016. I might point out that Hillary won every county in the state in 2016, after taking only one (mine) in 2008. She got 73.44% of the vote to Bernie’s 26.02 and 44 delegates (39 pledged/4 unpledged) to Bernie’s 14.

This year is going to be a total shitshow.

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Interesting Times  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:47:57pm

re: #72 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s fascinating how much this resembles 2016 on the GOP side. Remember, everyone thought nominating Trump would be a disaster for the GOP, but like Bernie this year, Trump brought in voters for the GOP who normally hadn’t voted Republican.

It’s much easier for GOPers to win with an extreme* candidate because they have lock-step authoritarian thinking via the Religious Right, plutocrat $$$, and entrenched white supremacy on their side (to say nothing of the enabling/both-siderist corporate media and Putin’s disinformation machine).

*Thing is, Bernie isn’t even close to being as extreme and unfit as trump. So if he wins the nomination, he can win the election if (and it’s a gargantuan “if”) typical pro-GOP disinformation and media both-siderism fails to affect enough voters.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:50:08pm

re: #72 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s fascinating how much this resembles 2016 on the GOP side. Remember, everyone thought nominating Trump would be a disaster for the GOP, but like Bernie this year, Trump brought in voters for the GOP who normally hadn’t voted Republican. Sanders is inspiring young people, and now in Nv he’s getting the Hispanic vote.

Because Trump is really the model for the sort of president we want in this country…

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Interesting Times  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:50:32pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:51:32pm

re: #72 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s fascinating how much this resembles 2016 on the GOP side. Remember, everyone thought nominating Trump would be a disaster for the GOP, but like Bernie this year, Trump brought in voters for the GOP who normally hadn’t voted Republican. Sanders is inspiring young people, and now in Nv he’s getting the Hispanic vote.

My only quibble with attributing their interest to Bernie is they turned out in huge numbers in 2018.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:51:54pm

re: #77 Interesting Times

In her position I would tempted to do the same thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:52:07pm

re: #72 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s fascinating how much this resembles 2016 on the GOP side. Remember, everyone thought nominating Trump would be a disaster for the GOP, but like Bernie this year, Trump brought in voters for the GOP who normally hadn’t voted Republican. Sanders is inspiring young people, and now in Nv he’s getting the Hispanic vote.

Do not see the comparison, other that Trump brought out GOP voters who stayed home for Mitt Romney in 2012 because he was not vulgar and racist enough for them.

I still think there are more people who want to see Sanders nominated than want to see him actually win. The entire GOP strategy is to do all they can to get him nominated so they can tear him apart and portray him as a Jewish Atheist terrorist sympathizer and America hater, which our press will simply report without comment…

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BeachDem  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:52:35pm

re: #78 Belafon

My only quibble with attributing their interest to Bernie is they turned out in huge numbers in 2018.

And voted for non Bernie-endorsed candidates.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:54:19pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Because Trump is really the model for the sort of president we want in this country…

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Absolutely not, but his success in adding new voters to the GOP base is something we need to emulate. Energize the youth vote and bring back those Stein/Johnson voters, and we win.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:54:56pm

It just strikes me as a perfect storm of ratfuckery, with the GOP and Putin all in with Sanders, Eastwood now pushing Bloomberg, etc.

This has to be the stupidest way to nominate a party candidate since Franklin Pierce.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:57:39pm

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Do not see the comparison, other that Trump brought out GOP voters who stayed home for Mitt Romney in 2012 because he was not vulgar and racist enough for them.

I still think there are more people who want to see Sanders nominated than want to see him actually win. The entire GOP strategy is to do all they can to get him nominated so they can tear him apart and portray him as a Jewish Atheist terrorist sympathizer and America hater, which our press will simply report without comment…

The comparison is there were a bunch of establishment candidates who kept attacking each other to become the mainstream candidate while Trump sailed through and won the nomination. Same thing is happening this year.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 2:58:45pm

And remember this: Franklin Pierce led to the Civil War. That the old party (the “Democrats” of the day) couldn’t get their shit together wrt slavery, and that Pierce was nominated only because the party couldn’t decide on one of the candidates who actually had delegates at the convention… all that led to the inability to resolve the slavery issue when it should have been.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:00:00pm

re: #82 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Absolutely not, but his success in adding new voters to the GOP base is something we need to emulate. Energize the youth vote and bring back those Stein/Johnson voters, and we win.

As noted above, we drew the youth vote out in record numbers for 2018. I do not believe a significant portion of them will accept a second Trump term if Bernie doesn’t win the nomination.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:00:37pm

re: #78 Belafon

My only quibble with attributing their interest to Bernie is they turned out in huge numbers in 2018.

They were energized to vote against Trump. But in 2020 its a choice, and if the Democratic choice doesn’t inspire them they could cast protest votes. If Bernie is the nominee, that is the guy those marginal voters want.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:02:38pm

re: #84 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The comparison is there were a bunch of establishment candidates who kept attacking each other to become the mainstream candidate while Trump sailed through and won the nomination. Same thing is happening this year.

Trump was able to sell himself as the ultimate outsider, the anti-politician and the protest vote for all those tired of politicians and politics as usual.

Bernie is an outsider to the Democratic Party, but he is a career politician.

I think he has a solid base of support but there are also a lot of people in the USA and abroad who are simply pulling the Machiavellian trick of supporting the opposition nominee they perceive as the least likely to defeat Trump.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:03:56pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:05:36pm

re: #89 jaunte

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If they had any integrity, they’d resign, or threaten to, over this,

Then again, if they had any integrity, they’d never have taken the job.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:06:02pm

I guess we should have expected the era of social media - especially Facebook and Twitter - to mess up the nomination process like so much else that social media messes with in society.

Bandwagoning was always a thing. Now the bandwagons are tweets and the tweeters swarm like ants over crumbs at a picnic… and we are not better for it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:06:04pm

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump was able to sell himself as the ultimate outsider, the anti-politician and the protest vote for all those tired of politicians and politics as usual.

Bernie is an outsider to the Democratic Party, but he is a career politician.

I think he has a solid base of support but there are also a lot of people in the USA and abroad who are simply pulling the Machiavellian trick of supporting the opposition nominee they perceive as the least likely to defeat Trump.

And they may be wrong. A lot of experts were wrong about Trump’s chances. The GOP has been crying “socialism” so much, the word has lost its power to scare a lot of voters; the GOP has made it sound pretty good to young voters.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:08:02pm

re: #92 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And they may be wrong. A lot of experts were wrong about Trump’s chances. The GOP has been crying “socialism” so much, the word has lost its power to scare a lot of voters; the GOP has made it sound pretty good to young voters.

It’s still powerful enough in the rural locales we need to win if we want to avoid the nightmare scenario of Trump squeaking by a second time on an EC victory. 2016 proved that running up the score on the popular vote means squat if the other guy can win states by less than 1% of the total vote.

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BeachDem  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:09:00pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Because Trump is really the model for the sort of president we want in this country…

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Certainly he is for Republicans—an example, from 2016 SC primary exit polls:

He then went on to win the primary by 10 points over his nearest competitor.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:09:12pm

Anyway, it’s starting to look like only Bernie Joe and Pete will be over the 15% threshold.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:11:56pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

It’s still powerful enough in the rural locales we need to win if we want to avoid the nightmare scenario of Trump squeaking by a second time on an EC victory. 2016 proved that running up the score on the popular vote means squat if the other guy can win states by less than 1% of the total vote.

We aren’t going to win the rural vote; we need to turn out the urban vote. I hope the nominee picks Stacey Abrahms or another person of color for VP.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:13:52pm

Stephen Miller is a monster. Check out @grace_panetta’s Tweet:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:14:27pm

re: #97 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Stephen Miller is a monster. Check out @grace_panetta’s Tweet:

What the actual bejesusing fuck. The man is a legitimate psychopath.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:16:52pm

I’d like to think that warren still has a chance to win, but I’m losing hope.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:17:30pm

re: #96 NO SMOCKING GUN!

We aren’t going to win the rural vote; we need to turn out the urban vote. I hope the nominee picks Stacey Abrahms or another person of color for VP.

Yeah, well, we need the rural vote if we don’t want a repeat of 2016. While we did very well in 2018, we didn’t have to contend with an ossified system that values land over votes. While Trump would love to win cities, if he can win enough shitburghs across the land, then he’ll be laughing his ass off as Bernie takes his popular vote victory and trundles back to Burlington.

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BeachDem  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:17:48pm

It begins…(or continues)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:17:51pm

re: #95 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Anyway, it’s starting to look like only Bernie Joe and Pete will be over the 15% threshold.

White guys always win????????

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:19:46pm

re: #102 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

White guys always win????????

Just saw on MSNBC that nearly half of Hispanics went for Bernie.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:19:49pm

re: #101 BeachDem

It begins…(or continues)

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“Bernie: Russian Stooge” is this election’s Buttery Emails.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:21:11pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

“Bernie: Russian Stooge” is this election’s Buttery Emails.

I dunno about you, but I like my emails with cinnamon and brown sugar.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:22:28pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Yeah, well, we need the rural vote if we don’t want a repeat of 2016. While we did very well in 2018, we didn’t have to contend with an ossified system that values land over votes. While Trump would love to win cities, if he can win enough shitburghs across the land, then he’ll be laughing his ass off as Bernie takes his popular vote victory and trundles back to Burlington.

Naw. Over 100 of Trump’s electoral votes came in states he won with less than half the vote. If urban turnout goes back up and the protest votes come back to the Democrats (and Bernie is their guy), Trump loses.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:22:36pm

re: #105 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I dunno about you, but I like my emails with cinnamon and brown sugar.

Cinnamon and Braunschweiger? Eeeeewww…..

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:24:11pm

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 200216 edition ————————————->

A bottomless pit

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:24:55pm

re: #106 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Naw. Over 100 of Trump’s electoral votes came in states he won with less than half the vote. If urban turnout goes back up and the protest votes come back to the Democrats (and Bernie is their guy), Trump loses.

Have you accounted in your hypothetical scenario Dem voters leaving in disgust over a Bernie nomination?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:26:48pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

Have you accounted in your hypothetical scenario Dem voters leaving in disgust over a Bernie nomination?

Those are the committed Democrats who most want to defeat Trump. You are going to #votebluenomatterwho right? I know I am.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:27:04pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:31:18pm

re: #110 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Those are the committed Democrats who most want to defeat Trump. You are going to #votebluenomatterwho right? I know I am.

My district’s going red no matter who wins the nomination. My greater concern is down-ticket, which are tighter races that could make or break the legislative agenda of whoever wins the WH.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:33:29pm

Keep in mind, Lizards are not representative of the Democratic party. We are freakishly obsessed with politics. Run of the mill Democrats LIKE Sanders, and aren’t going to abandon the party if he is the nominee. Just as Republican voters did not abandon Trump as Clinton had hoped.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:34:25pm

re: #113 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Keep in mind, Lizards are not representative of the Democratic party. We are freakishly obsessed with politics. Run of the mill Democrats LIKE Sanders, and aren’t going to abandon the party if he is the nominee. Just as Republican voters did not abandon Trump as Clinton had hoped.

You hope.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:34:48pm

this is too depressing right now. going to logoff and work on my set for tomorrow.

Cheers

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:35:54pm

re: #113 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yes, we here are a self selected group of news junkies.

Whether the general population pay attention or not to Sanders and the Democrats i don’t know.

But I do know that the right-wing hate machine and the GOP deep pockets will do all they can to make sure the general population knows that Bernie is the next Stalin.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:42:34pm

re: #116 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Yes, we here are a self selected group of news junkies.

Whether the general population pay attention or not to Sanders and the Democrats i don’t know.

But I do know that the right-wing hate machine and the GOP deep pockets will do all they can to make sure the general population knows that Bernie is the next Stalin.

Keep on mind, every candidate has baggage they will exploit.

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thecommodore  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:42:44pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

It’s still powerful enough in the rural locales we need to win if we want to avoid the nightmare scenario of Trump squeaking by a second time on an EC victory. 2016 proved that running up the score on the popular vote means squat if the other guy can win states by less than 1% of the total vote.

If the turnout is high enough nationwide, I think Sanders can overcome this.

It pains me to say this, and you may think I’m nuts, but I think Bernie is the best hope to beat Trump.

Yes he’s old and recently had a heart attack, and yes the GOP will portray him as a pinko (even though cold war paranoia went the way of the rotary dial phone), and yes there is reason to worry that he is benefiting from Putin ratfuckery, and the Bernie Bros are fucking idiots. But if he wins the nomination, those same fucking idiots are less likely to stay home, or vote third party, or even vote for Trump (ergo, the reason I call them idiots. Why on earth do lefties like Bernie Bros think we will gain anything by voting for Trump?).

Turnout is the key. A large Democratic turnout wins every time, and a large enough turnout might just give us the win we need to remove any doubt).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:44:34pm

re: #118 thecommodore

If the turnout is high enough nationwide, I think Sanders can overcome this.

It pains me to say this, and you may think I’m nuts, but I think Bernie is the best hope to beat Trump.

Yes he’s old and recently had a heart attack, and yes the GOP will portray him as a pinko (even though cold war paranoia went the way of the rotary dial phone), and yes there is reason to worry that he is benefiting from Putin ratfuckery, and the Bernie Bros are fucking idiots. But if he wins the nomination, those same fucking idiots are less likely to stay home, or vote third party, or even vote for Trump (ergo, the reason I call them idiots. Why on earth do lefties like Bernie Bros think we will gain anything by voting for Trump?).

Turnout is the key. A large Democratic turnout wins every time, and a large enough turnout might just give us the win we need to remove any doubt).

This.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:46:23pm

re: #117 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Keep on mind, every candidate has baggage they will exploit.

The problem is that the other candidates aren’t banking almost entirely on their popularity to win the day. Warren has detailed proposals, Biden and Klobucher have legislative successes to bank on, while Buttigieg and Bloomberg have their mayoral track records to back them up. Sanders is relying almost entirely upon a lot of promises and good publicity to move forward.

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thecommodore  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:46:24pm

re: #113 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Keep in mind, Lizards are not representative of the Democratic party. We are freakishly obsessed with politics. Run of the mill Democrats LIKE Sanders, and aren’t going to abandon the party if he is the nominee. Just as Republican voters did not abandon Trump as Clinton had hoped.

Some of them actually did. The right leaning third party candidates (Gary Johnson, Evan McMullin) got about 7 or 8% of the vote, as I recall, which is probably the reason Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton. Unfortunately, Trump was able to squeak by in those three key states to give him the ELECTORAL COLLEGE LANDSLIDE Gym Jordan kept squawking about during the impeachment hearings.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:46:54pm

re: #113 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Keep in mind, Lizards are not representative of the Democratic party. We are freakishly obsessed with politics. Run of the mill Democrats LIKE Sanders, and aren’t going to abandon the party if he is the nominee. Just as Republican voters did not abandon Trump as Clinton had hoped.

The non-news types will also be very susceptible to the word socialism and being investigated.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:49:14pm

re: #29 bratwurst

I just watched an NBC Sports Network special on this topic. Al Michaels points out that while most events people ALWAYS remember where they were for are negative (JFK assassination, 9/11, etc.) the one he will always be associated with was a very happy day indeed.

I grew up in Kansas City and hockey was not big there AT ALL, but yet I vividly remember exactly where I was when I heard about this win over the USSR.

I was in Lake Placid the day of the hockey final. Up there with my family to watch the 4-man bobsled event.* Hockey was a big thing in northern NY state so the USA beating the USSR in the semi-final was a big thing. It was interesting walking down the main street of Lake Placid and more than one place was posting score updates on chalk boards for the public to see.

* - My father’s engineering team at ALCOA actually worked on one of the 4-man bobsled’s chassis. And there are photos in the family of said bobsled on test runs. And then, right before the Olympics, that particular team bought a bobsled off one of the European teams and used that one in the event. A pretty big disappointment. And compounded for one of the other engineers since a few days before he’d traded hockey final tickets for 4-man bobsled tickets given there was little/no expectation of the USA team playing for the ice hockey gold medal.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:49:21pm

re: #118 thecommodore

If the turnout is high enough nationwide, I think Sanders can overcome this.

It pains me to say this, and you may think I’m nuts, but I think Bernie is the best hope to beat Trump.

Yes he’s old and recently had a heart attack, and yes the GOP will portray him as a pinko (even though cold war paranoia went the way of the rotary dial phone), and yes there is reason to worry that he is benefiting from Putin ratfuckery, and the Bernie Bros are fucking idiots. But if he wins the nomination, those same fucking idiots are less likely to stay home, or vote third party, or even vote for Trump (ergo, the reason I call them idiots. Why on earth do lefties like Bernie Bros think we will gain anything by voting for Trump?).

Turnout is the key. A large Democratic turnout wins every time, and a large enough turnout might just give us the win we need to remove any doubt).

I think most of us are arguing over who creates a large turnout. Will or won’t Bernie? Does his hatred of mainstream Democrats hurt him or will the usually unreliable young vote carry him? Will he hurt downstream candidates or help them? How about the other candidates?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:50:29pm

re: #118 thecommodore

If the turnout is high enough nationwide, I think Sanders can overcome this.

I have no idea how this election is going to turn out.

I do know that the Democratic party needs to take back the Senate. If that doesn’t happen, then we are truly screwed.

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thecommodore  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:50:48pm

re: #120 Targetpractice

The problem is that the other candidates aren’t banking almost entirely on their popularity to win the day. Warren has detailed proposals, Biden and Klobucher have legislative successes to bank on, while Buttigieg and Bloomberg have their mayoral track records to back them up. Sanders is relying almost entirely upon a lot of promises and good publicity to move forward.

Sanders is a personality, just like Trump is a personality, just like Barack Obama was largely a personality (he had a pretty thin resume when he first ran in 2008). Love him or hate him, Sanders’ personality may just be the antidote to Trump.

And it might just be the personality to keep the House and flip the Senate.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:53:16pm

re: #126 thecommodore

Sanders is a personality, just like Trump is a personality, just like Barack Obama was largely a personality (he had a pretty thin resume when he first ran in 2008). Love him or hate him, Sanders’ personality may just be the antidote to Trump.

And it might just be the personality to keep the House and flip the Senate.

Or he might not.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:53:43pm

re: #124 Belafon

I think most of us are arguing over who creates a large turnout. Will or won’t Bernie? Does his hatred of mainstream Democrats hurt him or will the usually unreliable young vote carry him? Will he hurt downstream candidates or help them? How about the other candidates?

These are the questions that Bernie supporters don’t seem to want to really tackle. There’s a growing arrogance that says votes like mine are a given and so we need to focus on turning out the youth and “progressive” vote. But like I said above, I could just as well vote third party on the top of the ballot and blue down the rest and equal much the same outcome.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:54:26pm

The very wealthy can indulge in their peculiarities so if Bloomberg wants to spend hundreds of millions of dollars shaming Trump and getting under his skin… then more power to Bloomberg.

But I don’t want Bloomberg to be the nominee.

I feel the same about Sanders. If he wants to be a counter-voice to the middle-of-the-road Clinton-Democrats then good for him. But that does not make him a good candidate, IMO.

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CarolJ  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:57:28pm

re: #77 Interesting Times

Good point about men’s suits. Unless you know a bit about tailoring, you can’t tell much more than about apparent fit. The colors are mostly black, brown, gray, perhaps shades of blue (navy, midnight) and that’s about it. And a lot of men, especially men who don’t make a living in a suited world, wear suits that may be decades old-especially if from the 90’s or later, when all the crazy stuff went away.

That’s what surprised me about the head of the NRA’s trips to Rodeo Drive for suits. He head of the NRA didn’t need top of the line tailoring for what he had to do. He only had a few appearances in front of the cameras, mostly in situations where the attention was on testimony and such. The occasional commercial, and that was it.

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thecommodore  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:58:09pm

re: #127 Belafon

Or he might not.

A distinct possibility.

But all things being equal, I believe he is our best chance to beat Trump.

I wanted Elizabeth Warren for this very reason, but Bernie is dominating the progressive vote, leaving her out in the cold.

Bernie is all we’ve got now.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:58:29pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

These are the questions that Bernie supporters don’t seem to want to really tackle. There’s a growing arrogance that says votes like mine are a given and so we need to focus on turning out the youth and “progressive” vote. But like I said above, I could just as well vote third party on the top of the ballot and blue down the rest and equal much the same outcome.

And the thing that is really going to annoy me about “the Revolution” is my vote, if he becomes the nominee, isn’t because of it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 3:58:54pm

re: #124 Belafon

I think most of us are arguing over who creates a large turnout. Will or won’t Bernie? Does his hatred of mainstream Democrats hurt him or will the usually unreliable young vote carry him? Will he hurt downstream candidates or help them? How about the other candidates?

And we are very bad at predicting this. I thought Trump could be a disaster for the GOP in 2016.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:00:49pm

re: #131 thecommodore

A distinct possibility.

But all things being equal, I believe he is our best chance to beat Trump.

I wanted Elizabeth Warren for this very reason, but Bernie is dominating the progressive vote, leaving her out in the cold.

Bernie is all we’ve got now.

He sure as fuck is not. Unless I missed the announcement that the rest of the field had dropped out en-mass.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:03:04pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

And we all watched it on tape delay. Can you even imagine such a thing now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:03:30pm

Something ain’t right when there’s a winner declared after just three states.

Your state hasn’t voted yet? Just take a seat…

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thecommodore  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:04:05pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

He sure as fuck is not. Unless I missed the announcement that the rest of the field had dropped out en-mass.

Let me rephrase - I believe he is our best choice to beat Trump.

Is he the best candidate? No. But right now at least, he is the best chance to beat Trump.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:04:42pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

The big thing to do in this caucus/primary cycle is to get people registered and voting. If they get accustomed to voting they will do it more often. And the more people who are registered and vote in the general election means we have a better chance to get rid of DT.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:05:27pm

re: #137 thecommodore

Let me rephrase - I believe he is our best choice to beat Trump.

Is he the best candidate? No. But right now at least, he is the best chance to beat Trump.

I believe any candidate who was on-stage at the last debate has a chance to beat Trump.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:06:29pm

re: #133 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And we are very bad at predicting this. I thought Trump could be a disaster for the GOP in 2016.

We can argue that the GOP lost the House in 2018 because of Trump, his dis-likability driving a few more Democrat voters to turnout in an off year.

But now the GOP power structure is taken over by Trump - they are now his criminal gang, or more accurately, been added to his (already existing) criminal gang.

And this means the entire Republican machinery is going to go all in on the gas-lighting approach to politics. It’s not just normal election year lying, but an attempt to change the ability of people to care about what is true or not.

This is the stain of Trump on American politics - not only is Trump pro-fascist, he’s into destroying society at a more basic level, at a foundational level of how we function.

I might even argue what Trump is doing is more akin to say Henry VIII, in changing the rules of society. Henry made himself head of the Church and deconstructed the Church mechanisms which were linchpins in society of that day. Henry VIII was about remaking England, not just ruling England.

And that is what Trump is doing in the US. He wants a Mussolini-like idea of what a “nation” is, with Trump the glorious leader.

And now most of the GOP are complicit with that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:08:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:11:24pm
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CarolJ  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:12:44pm

re: #130 CarolJ

Indeed, the whole thing about the massive NRA spending made no sense to me. 70k private jets, the 5 million dollar mansion for security? 99% of the public couldn’t have recognized him in a lineup. Even among gun fanatics who thought the NRA was too mild, only a handful of them could have recognized him, and even then most of them blamed NRA policy. As a practical matter, he would have been replaced by someone else who pretty much agreed with the policy they hated in the first place.

He should, as the head of a putative non-profit, have been living in a reasonably secured house, wearing suits that in both cost and appearance was upper middle management at best. But the Russian money that freed them from having to even account to members for money also freed them from having to budget money for things that might have helped their cause. If Igor didn’t care, they didn’t need to care, and it became one giant piggy bank to live lavishly.

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thecommodore  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:13:50pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mange de la merde et meurs, Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:14:55pm

OT: Gordon Lightfoot show was amazing last night. His voice isn’t what it once was but he’s still a damn good performer for being 81.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:16:31pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

I believe any candidate who was on-stage at the last debate has a chance to beat Trump.

One thing that gives me confidence is that if Bernie is the nominee, I’m confident the other candidates will rally to his support, because they know that defeating Trump is job one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:16:34pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:17:34pm

75+ year old white guy for President 2020.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:18:46pm

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

75+ year old white guy for President 2020.

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It is strange that the youngest voters are wild about the oldest candidate!

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thecommodore  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:19:15pm

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

75+ year old white Jewish guy for President 2020.

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Gotta get the globalist vote.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:19:59pm

re: #149 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It is strange that the youngest voters are wild about the oldest candidate!

They’re being promised “free” stuff that the “rich” will pay for. Of course they think he’s awesome.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:21:23pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

They’re being promised “free” stuff that the “rich” will pay for. Of course they think he’s awesome.

Don’t take this the wrong way, but that’s exactly what Republicans say.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:21:27pm

re: #146 NO SMOCKING GUN!

One thing that gives me confidence is that if Bernie is the nominee, I’m confident the other candidates will rally to his support, because they know that defeating Trump is job one.

And much like 2016, I doubt the same could be said about Bernie if someone else wins the nomination.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:23:19pm

re: #152 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Don’t take this the wrong way, but that’s exactly what Republicans say.

You’re right, and it’s what they’ll be saying right up to Election Day. And as painful as this is to hear, it’s going to ring true with a lot of moderate and conservative Dems.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:23:46pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

And much like 2016, I doubt the same could be said about Bernie if someone else wins the nomination.

Exactly. I know it’s infuriating, but getting the flightiest voters invested in the Democratic ticket is a recipe for victory, because we can be confident the stalwarts will show up and vote no matter what.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:25:13pm

re: #155 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Exactly. I know it’s infuriating, but getting the flightiest voters invested in the Democratic ticket is a recipe for victory, because we can be confident the stalwarts will show up and vote no matter what.

Again, you hope that’s the case.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:26:42pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

So far there has been no evidence of a groundswell of new interest in these primaries/caucuses. If Sanders was going to drive in new flesh, then where are they?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:27:23pm

I wonder what all those 18-21yo will do when they discover they can’t vote by app?

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:27:33pm

re: #157 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So far there has been no evidence of a groundswell of new interest in these primaries/caucuses. If Sanders was going to drive in new flesh, then where are they?

Not only that, he’s been underperfoming compared to 2016.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:28:08pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

You’re right, and it’s what they’ll be saying right up to Election Day. And as painful as this is to hear, it’s going to ring true with a lot of moderate and conservative Dems.

I’m in Kentucky. Conservative Democrats are just Republicans who never got around to changing their registration. They’ve been voting for Mitch McConnell for decades. Moderates will be kept in the fold by enthusiastic embrace of Sanders by the party, if they know what’s good for them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:28:13pm

I am really hoping Warren finds a way to break Sanders’ shields.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:28:13pm
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:28:27pm

re: #146 NO SMOCKING GUN!

One thing that gives me confidence is that if Bernie is the nominee, I’m confident the other candidates will rally to his support, because they know that defeating Trump is job one.

As compared to the milquetoast campaigning Bernie did for Hillary in 2016, where he visited half the places for her that she did for Obama in 2008. Is he the best candidate because he’ll throw a fit if he’s not? That’ll suck.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:29:51pm

re: #160 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m in Kentucky. Conservative Democrats are just Republicans who never got around to changing their registration. They’ve been voting for Mitch McConnell for decades. Moderates will be kept in the fold by enthusiastic embrace of Sanders by the party, if they know what’s good for them.

Would you like to rephrase that, tovarich?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:30:05pm

re: #163 Belafon

As compared to the milquetoast campaigning Bernie did for Hillary in 2016, where he visited half the places for her that she did for Obama in 2008. Is he the best candidate because he’ll throw a fit if he’s not? That’ll suck.

I know it sucks. But we have to suck it up anyway, because America as we know it ends if Trump wins.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:31:15pm

re: #149 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It is strange that the youngest voters are wild about the oldest candidate!

They’re falling for his empty promises, sadly. He’s going to be a one term President when he doesn’t deliver, and the next will be an 8 year Republican administration.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:32:09pm

re: #166 GlutenFreeJesus

They’re falling for his empty promises, sadly. He’s going to be a one term President when he doesn’t deliver, and the next will be an 8 year Republican administration.

A one-termer who will oversee an electoral bloodbath in the 2022 midterms, with the possibility of impeachment in time for the election.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:32:36pm

moron tries to make a joke…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:32:46pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

Would you like to rephrase that, tovarich?

I’ll put it this way. If they don’t want Trump’s FBI rounding them up on Trumped up charges, they will enthusiastically support the nominee, no matter who. MSNBC just called Nv for Sanders.

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Chrysicat  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:35:37pm

re: #167 Targetpractice

A one-termer who will oversee an electoral bloodbath in the 2022 midterms, with the possibility of impeachment in time for the election.

And of course that’s all assuming he lives long enough to be impeached. I would give million-to-one odds in favour of Bernie’s term ending sometime before 20 January 2025.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:36:47pm

So, we could end up with a person who’s not part of the Democratic party, counting on Democrats to vote for him in the same way that Republicans had to vote for Trump? I see the excitement, especially from a party that Will Rogers joked about not being organized.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:38:35pm

So, there’s a special election on Tuesday to pick a replacement for my state rep here in Kentucky.
My rep was Democrat Rocky Adkins; he resigned to accept a position with the Beshear administration.
I’m afraid the seat is going to flip. I’ve not seen or heard anything from the Democrats, but the Republicans are going all-in with Trump’s scaremongering

it’s disgusting

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:38:55pm

re: #171 Belafon

So, we could end up with a person who’s not part of the Democratic party, counting on Democrats to vote for him in the same way that Republicans had to vote for Trump? I see the excitement, especially from a party that Will Rogers joked about not being organized.

Trump was a recent convert to the GOP.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:40:04pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, there’s a special election on Tuesday to pick a replacement for my state rep here in Kentucky.
My rep was Democrat Rocky Adkins; he resigned to accept a position with the Beshear administration.
I’m afraid the seat is going to flip. I’ve not seen or heard anything from the Democrats, but the Republicans are going all-in with Trump’s scaremongering

it’s disgusting

I was shocked by how racist Andy Barr’s ads were in 2018.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:40:32pm

re: #169 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’ll put it this way. If they don’t want Trump’s FBI rounding them up on Trumped up charges, they will enthusiastically support the nominee, no matter who. MSNBC just called Nv for Sanders.

I see what you did there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:40:45pm

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I was shocked by how racist Andy Barr’s ads were in 2018.

I was shocked that they worked

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:42:01pm

re: #169 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’ll put it this way. If they don’t want Trump’s FBI rounding them up on Trumped up charges, they will enthusiastically support the nominee, no matter who. MSNBC just called Nv for Sanders.

As you already acknowledged, not all voters are political junkies like we are, not all of them see Trump as the sort of threat to the future of the republic that we do. Many are the sort of folks who could just as readily see Bernie as being an equal or greater threat to the country as Trump is.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:42:24pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was shocked that they worked

Alas, I wasn’t.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:45:01pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

As you said already acknowledged, not all voters are political junkies like we are, not all of them see Trump as the sort of threat to the future of the republic that we do. Many are the sort of folks who could just as readily see Bernie as being an equal or greater threat to the country as Trump is.

That is why the Democratic establishment needs to enthusiastically normalize the Sanders campaign, if he is the nominee. The polls show Democrats don’t like Trump; tell them to like the nominee.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:46:41pm

re: #18 William Lewis

CL’d so Ill just repost the photo…a narrow road to a far county, if you will…

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Look like a great par 5 disc golf hole.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:51:45pm

re: #180 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That is why the Democratic establishment needs to enthusiastically normalize the Sanders campaign, if he is the nominee. The polls show Democrats don’t like Trump; tell them to like the nominee.

Would he reciprocate? So far, his record shows that the answer is a resounding “No.” In fact, I have no confidence whatsoever that wouldn’t just go to the convention just to announce that he’s turning down the nomination in order to run as an “Independent.”

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Chrysicat  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:52:22pm

re: #180 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That is why the Democratic establishment needs to enthusiastically normalize the Sanders campaign, if he is the nominee. The polls show Democrats don’t like Trump; tell them to like the nominee.

You seem annoyingly happy to be telling us all to bend the knee when it means that the US leaves the international stage permanently as any sort of guarantor of other countries’ territory.

And I still don’t trust Bernie not to go back on even his lukewarm pledges to non-cishet-white-people.

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Chrysicat  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:55:50pm

re: #183 Chrysicat

You seem annoyingly happy to be telling us all to bend the knee when it means that the US leaves the international stage permanently as any sort of guarantor of other countries’ territory.

And I still don’t trust Bernie not to go back on even his lukewarm pledges to non-cishet-white-people.

But seriously, they’re already saying every other candidate should suspend because it’s impossible for anyone else to get a first-ballot win after Bernie took 80% of Nevada delegates.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:56:57pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Russia backing Bernie because even they know he’d get slaughtered in November.

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BeachDem  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:57:34pm

re: #171 Belafon

So, we could end up with a person who’s not part of the Democratic party, counting on Democrats to vote for him in the same way that Republicans had to vote for Trump? I see the excitement, especially from a party that Will Rogers joked about not being organized.

It’s a week before our primary and a few days till the Charleston debate. A friend and I were talking last night about how excited we were at this time four years ago. My “Hillary kid” (her field director, who lived with me for 6 months) was going to the debate and getting to meet Hillary; we couldn’t WAIT to vote.

Fast-forward to today—I feel sick to my stomach most days at everything that’s going down the drain in this country, and have mostly fear about what’s coming. And although anyone is better than Trump, I don’t see Bernie being able to turn the ship around, should he get elected. His “people will take to the streets” is a lot of pie in the sky nonsense as it relates to actually accomplishing anything.

Still haven’t decided who to vote for—will probably go with Biden, even though he’s not my first choice—just to keep him in the race and bump his #s here.

And funny that it’s gone from “Hillary has to EARN my vote” from the Berners of 2016 to
“Hey, you’re a Democrat, so just suck it up and vote for Bernie because the kids like him.”

Yeah, if it comes to that, I’ll vote for him in the general (it hurts to even type that) but the bullshit about the “corporate, establishment, OK Boomer, etc.” will make it painful. I’m a lifelong liberal, a loyal, active Democrat, who’s worked on many campaigns and given money to many candidates—yeah, I’m old, and I know we need to engage young people, but I feel like the true party supporters are being shoved onto an ice floe by the likes of Nina Turner and David Serota and the loud-mouthed Berners I see live, in person, every day.

Think I’ll go watch a movie…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:58:47pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Would he reciprocate? So far, his record shows that the answer is a resounding “No.” In fact, I have no confidence whatsoever that wouldn’t just go to the convention just to announce that he’s turning down the nomination in order to run as an “Independent.”

That’s silly; he wouldn’t be running so hard for the nomination if he didn’t want it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 4:59:19pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:00:38pm

re: #187 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That’s silly; he wouldn’t be running so hard for the nomination if he didn’t want it.

He’s done it at least twice in his time as a US Senator, running for the nomination of the Vermont DNC only to then work a backdoor agreement where he promises to keep caucusing with the party on important votes while they let him run (effectively) unopposed.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:02:08pm

re: #183 Chrysicat

You seem annoyingly happy to be telling us all to bend the knee when it means that the US leaves the international stage permanently as any sort of guarantor of other countries’ territory.

And I still don’t trust Bernie not to go back on even his lukewarm pledges to non-cishet-white-people.

Bernie isn’t my first choice either. But I’ll be damned if I surrender to dispair. We have to defeat Trump in November, or we are looking at a long twilight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:02:42pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:03:05pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“My bowl is empty. This is a problem.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:05:26pm

re: #186 BeachDem

It’s a week before our primary and a few days till the Charleston debate. A friend and I were talking last night about how excited we were at this time four years ago. My “Hillary kid” (her field director, who lived with me for 6 months) was going to the debate and getting to meet Hillary; we couldn’t WAIT to vote.

Fast-forward to today—I feel sick to my stomach most days at everything that’s going down the drain in this country, and have mostly fear about what’s coming. And although anyone is better than Trump, I don’t see Bernie being able to turn the ship around, should he get elected. His “people will take to the streets” is a lot of pie in the sky nonsense as it relates to actually accomplishing anything.

Still haven’t decided who to vote for—will probably go with Biden, even though he’s not my first choice—just to keep him in the race and bump his #s here.

And funny that it’s gone from “Hillary has to EARN my vote” from the Berners of 2016 to
“Hey, you’re a Democrat, so just suck it up and vote for Bernie because the kids like him.”

Yeah, if it comes to that, I’ll vote for him in the general (it hurts to even type that) but the bullshit about the “corporate, establishment, OK Boomer, etc.” will make it painful. I’m a lifelong liberal, a loyal, active Democrat, who’s worked on many campaigns and given money to many candidates—yeah, I’m old, and I know we need to engage young people, but I feel like the true party supporters are being shoved onto an ice floe by the likes of Nina Turner and David Serota and the loud-mouthed Berners I see live, in person, every day.

Think I’ll go watch a movie…

I know it hurts. But we have to defeat Trump. We have to, no matter what.

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Chrysicat  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:05:55pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

“My bowl is empty. This is a problem.”

That’s still better than the only reason ours gets in my face like that. He doesn’t do that for food, only when he needs to go out; and he has maybe ten more minutes of warning time between “I’m capable of doing my business” and “I gotta go noooooow” than I do.

So you see him making a move for your lap, you panic and hope you can get changed from slippers to boots and his GentleLeader on fast enough.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:10:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:10:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:15:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:15:33pm

The prospect of Bernie Sanders as the nominee worries me, tbh. Not so much because of his ideas (well, maybe partly because of his ideas!), but because I know his past is going to be used against him like a nuclear bomb by Trump and the GOP.

And I don’t like him reneging on his promise to release his full health report. That looks awfully like he has something to hide, but even if he doesn’t, it’s foolish to pretend we shouldn’t care that he just recently had a full-on heart attack.

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Chrysicat  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:15:44pm

re: #193 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I know it hurts. But we have to defeat Trump. We have to, no matter what.

Just understand that unless we’re arming ourselves to openly rebel against the R king to be enthroned in 2025, there’s very little point to defeating Trump with Bernie. He’ll be lucky if a Patty Murray- controlled Senate, let alone one where McTurtle still presides, confirms his judges, and he’s not likely to even push for expanding SCOTUS, which has made it very clear that until we do get rid of two injustices, they’ll declare any law the Federalist Society doesn’t like, to be unconstitutional and unenforceable, with a particular focus on supremacy of individuals’ religious belief over any secular law.

In the best case, the Senate willingly confirms any judges he gives them, but still doesn’t pass his medical insurance requirement exactly as he’s written it, which he’s pretty clear is the only way he’ll sign it.

In the worst case, he tries to put it into force as a decree anyway, and I start hoping that people fear being primaried by people who want to strip red from the Republican party less than their red counterparts fear being primaried by Trump’s flying monkeys.

Even the best case is probably a one-term caretaker government that has a hard time releasing the concentration-camp prisoners, but thankfully refuses to actively fund the wall. But once again, note that “one-term” part.

And note that it’s impossible to win in the Repub party by being left of the royalist position, so you’ll get another one after Bernie, unless we can outlaw the whole damned party.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:16:27pm

That’s the problem going forward for Bernie: The party stalwarts are not all prepared to exchange one power-hungry old white guy for another, they have long memories and remember how much of a dick Bernie has been to the party. “Vote Bernie or Trump wins!” can only go so far if Bernie continues to shit on their heads and expect them to thank him for the service.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:17:46pm

re: #184 Chrysicat

But seriously, they’re already saying every other candidate should suspend because it’s impossible for anyone else to get a first-ballot win after Bernie took 80% of Nevada delegates.

The CCCP (Corporate Controlled Conservative Press) is in the pocket for the Republican Party and they are enthusiastically kissing Bernie’s ass because they want 4 more years of Trump.

Trump has a nice fat attack dossier on Bernie prepared by Frank Luntz. When Trump unleashes the attack ads it’s gonna make 1972 and 1984 look like a Studio 54 disco party. You’ll see the New York Times leading the assault on Bernie in the press with Fox News leading the trashing on cable, Rush Limbaugh firing salvo after salvo and every TV Preacher and thousands of Right Wing Pulpit Pimps trashing Bernie every Sunday.

Bernie won’t wind up a piece of burnt toast he’ll be a cindered crouton.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:18:46pm

HEY Y’ALL IT AIN’T OVER TILL IT’S OVER.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:19:18pm

re: #203 The Pie Overlord!

HEY Y’ALL IT AIN’T OVER TILL IT’S OVER.

Fuckin’ A!

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:21:04pm

re: #203 The Pie Overlord!

Very true. A couple of primaries does not equal the nomination.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:22:19pm

re: #203 The Pie Overlord!

HEY Y’ALL IT AIN’T OVER TILL IT’S OVER.

It’s the Age of Twitter. Everything is over the moment it begins.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:22:51pm

re: #200 Chrysicat

Just understand that unless we’re arming ourselves to openly rebel against the R king to be enthroned in 2025, there’s very little point to defeating Trump with Bernie. He’ll be lucky if a Patty Murray- controlled Senate, let alone one where McTurtle still presides, confirms his judges, and he’s not likely to even push for expanding SCOTUS, which has made it very clear that until we do get rid of two injustices, they’ll declare any law the Federalist Society doesn’t like, to be unconstitutional and unenforceable, with a particular focus on supremacy of individuals’ religious belief over any secular law.

In the best case, the Senate willingly confirms any judges he gives them, but still doesn’t pass his medical insurance requirement exactly as he’s written it, which he’s pretty clear is the only way he’ll sign it.

In the worst case, he tries to put it into force as a decree anyway, and I start hoping that people fear being primaried by people who want to strip red from the Republican party less than their red counterparts fear being primaried by Trump’s flying monkeys.

Even the best case is probably a one-term caretaker government that has a hard time releasing the concentration-camp prisoners, but thankfully refuses to actively fund the wall. But once again, note that “one-term” part.

And note that it’s impossible to win in the Repub party by being left of the royalist position, so you’ll get another one after Bernie, unless we can outlaw the whole damned party.

2024 is another 4 years of old white GOP voters dying and being replaced by younger, more diverse voters. IOW, it just keeps getting harder for fascists to win.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:22:53pm

FFS, it’s still February and only 3 states have weighed in. If you’re talking about how Bernie can not only take the nomination, but win against Trump based upon where the polls sit right now, then you’re setting yourself up for a serious case of heartburn going forward.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:23:24pm

It’s still possible that Super-Duper Tuesday will save Biden and/or Warren.

Possible.

Maybe.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:23:30pm

re: #202 Joe Bacon 🌹

The CCCP (Corporate Controlled Conservative Press) is in the pocket for the Republican Party and they are enthusiastically kissing Bernie’s ass because they want 4 more years of Trump.

Trump has a nice fat attack dossier on Bernie prepared by Frank Luntz. When Trump unleashes the attack ads it’s gonna make 1972 and 1984 look like a Studio 54 disco party. You’ll see the New York Times leading the assault on Bernie in the press with Fox News leading the trashing on cable, Rush Limbaugh firing salvo after salvo and every TV Preacher and thousands of Right Wing Pulpit Pimps trashing Bernie every Sunday.

Bernie won’t wind up a piece of burnt toast he’ll be a cindered crouton.

That’s why I call him Bern-Out.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:25:43pm

I already cast my California ballot for Warren and hoping that she can derail Bernie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:26:34pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:30:47pm

re: #207 NO SMOCKING GUN!

2024 is another 4 years of old white GOP voters dying and being replaced by younger, more diverse voters. IOW, it just keeps getting harder for fascists to win.

Yeah, I used to think the same thing too. Then 2016 happened and I realized the younger, more diverse voters are a mercurial and bitchy bunch.

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Chrysicat  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:31:44pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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thecommodore  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:33:39pm

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

I am really hoping Warren finds a way to break Sanders’ shields.

I do too. She’s great!

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:36:06pm

re: #68 PhillyPretzel

at Wawa?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:36:35pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

Yeah, I used to think the same thing too. Then 2016 happened and I realized the younger, more diverse voters are a mercurial and bitchy bunch.

Yes, but they love Bernie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:36:50pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:37:56pm

Julian Castro is coming to Los Angeles and Long Beach tomorrow for Elizabeth.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:39:16pm

re: #216 BlueSpotinAL

Wawa? Gourmet food comes from Di Bruno Bros.

dibruno.com

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:39:36pm

re: #217 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yes, but they love Bernie.

Now. They love him now.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:40:56pm

I remember in the runup to the 2018 elections when I had to take a vacation from this site because of all the gloom and doom about the Repugs’ certain win. I remember being called naive because I said it wasn’t so.

You don’t know who the nominee will be, you don’t know who will take the House or the Senate, and all this doom spreading is not helpful.

We have nine months. We need to be registering voters, strengthening the mechanisms for challenging voter suppression, and canvassing for local and national elections, starting in 2017. Some of us have been.

All this stewing (with no oysters) serves nothing but to depress us. IT STILL DOESN’T MATTER whether we can win or not, we have to try — and if you can’t be helpful, then you need to write all your gloomy prognostications in a private file and throw them into the bit bucket.

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Chrysicat  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:42:18pm

re: #217 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yes, but they love Bernie.

And you think that after their idol “does nothing” because the Senate at least and possibly the House are actively refusing to pass his proposals as written, they won’t turn on him for not having delivered the end of private corporations forever that they’re saying is necessary?

They’ll stay home, and the right will elect another fascist to replace him.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:42:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:42:48pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:43:59pm

re: #224 jaunte

This isn’t your grandfather’s country, either. It’s not JFK’s country. It’s a horrible place that needs the compassion that progressive policies provide.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:44:19pm

re: #223 Chrysicat

And you think that after their idol “does nothing” because the Senate at least and possibly the House are actively refusing to pass his proposals as written, they won’t turn on him for not having delivered the end of private corporations forever that they’re saying is necessary?

They’ll stay home, and the right will elect another fascist to replace him.

We could just save time and ask that guy who Bernie considered primarying in 2012 what happens to the youth vote when they interpret Congressional impasse and compromise as betrayal…

/

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Dread Pirate  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:47:31pm

he he.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:50:22pm

re: #226 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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retired cynic  Feb 22, 2020 • 5:59:42pm

re: #123 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I was in Lake Placid the day of the hockey final. Up there with my family to watch the 4-man bobsled event.* Hockey was a big thing in northern NY state so the USA beating the USSR in the semi-final was a big thing. It was interesting walking down the main street of Lake Placid and more than one place was posting score updates on chalk boards for the public to see….

I was at a convention in Birmingham AL, and everyone pushed into the lounge area to watch the last part at least on the TV, and there were a lot of happy drunks that night!

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BeachDem  Feb 22, 2020 • 6:01:07pm

re: #219 Joe Bacon 🌹

Julian Castro is coming to Los Angeles and Long Beach tomorrow for Elizabeth.

John Legend is coming to South Carolina for Elizabeth and he’s going to SING.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 22, 2020 • 6:06:24pm

re: #220 PhillyPretzel

Thanks! I am staying at the Philadelphia 201 Mar 20. I might just wander over there. Definitely hitting the Barnes or some other art museum.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 22, 2020 • 6:55:56pm

re: #222 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

I remember in the runup to the 2018 elections when I had to take a vacation from this site because of all the gloom and doom about the Repugs’ certain win. I remember being called naive because I said it wasn’t so.

You don’t know who the nominee will be, you don’t know who will take the House or the Senate, and all this doom spreading is not helpful.

We have nine months. We need to be registering voters, strengthening the mechanisms for challenging voter suppression, and canvassing for local and national elections, starting in 2017. Some of us have been.

All this stewing (with no oysters) serves nothing but to depress us. IT STILL DOESN’T MATTER whether we can win or not, we have to try — and if you can’t be helpful, then you need to write all your gloomy prognostications in a private file and throw them into the bit bucket.

I don’t think it’s doom saying so much as a recognition of the challenge, and a warning against complacency.
Fwiw, I think we will win, win big, and send Trump and his criminal mob packing (off to prison with any luck).


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