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CBS News hosts the 10th Democratic presidential primary debate on Feb. 25 from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m. ET in Charleston, South Carolina, just days ahead of the state’s primary on Feb. 29.

The candidates who qualified are former Vice President Joe Biden, former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, billionaire investor Tom Steyer and Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.

“CBS Evening News” anchor and managing editor Norah O’Donnell and “CBS This Morning” co-host Gayle King are moderating the debate and will be joined in questioning by “Face the Nation” moderator and senior foreign affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan, chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett and “60 Minutes” correspondent Bill Whitaker.

CBS News and CBSN will air post-debate live coverage hosted by Elaine Quijano, anchor of CBSN’s “Red & Blue,” and political correspondent Ed O’Keefe beginning at 10 p.m., featuring live interviews with the candidates, surrogates and other newsmakers, plus in-depth analysis and reporting from the team of CBS News journalists and contributors in Charleston. Follow live updates: cbsnews.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:07:44pm

Will it be a pile on Bernie tonight?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:07:59pm

re: #1 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Will it be a pile on Bernie tonight?

So far.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:09:35pm

re: #1 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Will it be a pile on Bernie tonight?

yep

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:09:59pm

Gov’t take over!

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:10:53pm

I hope the BernieBro Twitter Trolls have rested up, they’ll have their work cut out for them tonight.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:11:31pm

Berners spending all day LOL Iran stuff was forty years ago Americans know all the bad stuff this is a freight train get on or get smashed lol

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:12:04pm

...

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:12:24pm

Oh, it’s so hard to listen to Bernie…yeah, I’ll vote blue, but damn he’ll make it painful if it’s him.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:13:36pm

JFC grandpa shouty is beatboxing the microphone.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:14:10pm

Bold Joe.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:14:15pm

Now let’s talk polls, shall we? Ugh

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:14:50pm

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

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lol, no thanks

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:15:59pm

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

Did you bring a toy for me to play with daddy?

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:15:59pm

Bloomberg and Steyer are a waste of air time. So let’s hear from them as often as possible/

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:16:02pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:19:06pm

Klobuchar doesn’t strike me as being enough “there” on these topics of race.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:19:35pm

re: #16 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Klobuchar doesn’t strike me as being enough “there” on these topics of race.

Got the same impression.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:20:06pm

Oooh—Elizabeth, BAM—Bloomberg funded Lindsey’s last campaign. Now if she’d mention Jaime Harrison…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:20:41pm

re: #18 BeachDem

Oooh—Elizabeth, BAM—Bloomberg funded Lindsey’s last campaign. Now if she’d mention Jaime Harrison…

That was nice.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:21:34pm
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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:24:37pm

Bloomberg is such a pompous ass. And why are they getting into the weeds on this crap?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:25:04pm

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

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“Not the place for ‘tug the toadstool’ baby doll.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:26:25pm

Get a load of this headline, way to DARVO WaPo

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:29:38pm

What a mess…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:29:40pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:30:25pm

Thank you Pete!

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:30:59pm

re: #26 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Thank you Pete!

He’s going there.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:31:31pm

re: #26 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Thank you Pete!

Guess he’s giving Amy the night off.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:32:53pm

LOL, we have to give Tom Steyer some time since you told him to shut the f*ck up.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:33:11pm

Oh damn

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:33:32pm

I just can’t listen. Tell me if Elizabeth Warren is doing Ok and I will send here another donation.

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:33:37pm

Sigh. My ex wife told me she’s holding a fundraiser for Bernie because he is in the lead right now. OTOH she did say that if Warren surges she happily change it to her. I think she just wants any Democrat to win and sees him in the lead.

I did say I wouldn’t give to him, only to Warren but didn’t go into it further. At least I don’t have to be there to smile and play nice … ;)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:34:12pm

It seems like these folks realize the d-day is coming soon for the nomination.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:34:17pm

Why are they going after Tom Steyer?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:35:37pm

Bloomberg almost slipped “I bought them”.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:36:15pm

re: #34 Scottish Dragon

Why are they going after Tom Steyer?

He’s doing fairly well here in south by dog carolina—but listening to them all prognosticate about who’s going to win is just idiotic. We might as well just watch a pundit panel.

Ooohh—they just booed Bernie.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:36:37pm

This is an embarrassing food fight.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:37:02pm

re: #37 Hecuba’s daughter

This is an embarrassing food fight.

Without the food.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:37:17pm

re: #36 BeachDem

He’s doing fairly well here in south by dog carolina—but listening to them all prognosticate about who’s going to win is just idiotic. We might as well just watch a pundit panel.

Ooohh—they just booed Bernie.

He deserved it. The billionaire line is tired.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:38:09pm

These mods suck so far

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:38:21pm

The Democratic nominee does not need Republican votes.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:38:48pm

re: #41 NO SMOCKING GUN!

But they do need the voters who ran away from Hillary.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:39:48pm

I don’t mind these spirited debates now that there are fewer people on stage… but Bloomberg shouldn’t be there, and frankly neither should Klobucahr or Steyer.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:39:50pm
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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:41:07pm

I’m so torn—I want to vote for Elizabeth, but if Biden doesn’t beat Bernie here, it could be all over but the shouting (speaking of which—ew—a Bloomberg ad.)

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:41:38pm

Ok, round 1 is over now. Joe and Pete fared best so far, and Bernie and Mike are the two taking the most damage (surprisingly, a lot of it self-inflicted).

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:41:46pm

re: #45 BeachDem

I’m so torn—I want to vote for Elizabeth, but if Biden doesn’t beat Bernie here, it could be all over but the shouting (speaking of which—ew—a Bloomberg ad.)

Vote for Warren.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:41:52pm

It takes a special sort of chutzpah to buy an add during your own debate.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:44:51pm

150 million?

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:44:58pm

Put your fucking hand down and listen, Bernie.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:45:02pm

Beat Mitch McConnell, Joe.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:46:43pm

Wait—Bloomberg owns Moms Demand Action? Is that true?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:46:51pm
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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:46:56pm

re: #49 NO SMOCKING GUN!

150 million?

Didn’t you see the Purge movies?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:48:07pm

Anyone think Bloomberg paid to have a big group at the debate for him?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:48:22pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

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They know bs.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:48:35pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:48:35pm

Warren is right…..none of this gets done unless the filibuster gets nuked.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:48:49pm

re: #55 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Anyone think Bloomberg paid to have a big group at the debate for him?

Most of my friends who are there are Joe fans.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:49:15pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:49:49pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:50:02pm

Beatbox shouty grandpa really wearing thin on me

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:50:30pm

re: #58 Scottish Dragon

Warren is right…..none of this gets done unless the filibuster gets nuked.

2 reconciliation bills, at most, before the GOP wins the 2022 midterms.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:51:00pm

re: #62 Scottish Dragon

Beatbox shouty grandpa really wearing thin on me

Yeah my Dad voted for his last time. This time he’s Joe.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:51:34pm

re: #56 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They know bs.

Sure, okay. I hate to say this but I’m also hearing a suspicious amount of Bloomberg support.

And I really don’t like Bernie. This just feels, off.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:51:58pm

I had to turn down the tv because of shouty beatbox and I’m 60% deaf

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:52:33pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

Sure, okay. I hate to say this but I’m also hearing a suspicious amount of Bloomberg support.

And I really don’t like Bernie. This just feels, off.

Yeah I hear that.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:52:57pm

This is a foodfight.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:53:09pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:53:15pm

Anything off about a billionaire building a grassroots organization?

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:55:09pm

The grassroots army of Moms Demand Action is the volunteer wing of Everytown for Gun Safety, the country’s biggest gun violence prevention organization. Everytown has 6 million supporters on its email and phone lists, though the group won’t say how many of those come from Moms Demand

A key group of volunteers who Michael Bloomberg is likely counting on to support his newly announced presidential run, and who represent a cause that’s central to his attempt to appeal to Democratic voters, told BuzzFeed News they are uncertain if they’ll support the billionaire in 2020...

“While he’s our largest donor, it doesn’t mean he is the organization himself,” said Alanna Miller, 19, the Students Demand Action volunteer leader at Duke University and a member of the organization’s national advisory board. “He’s just like any other candidate.”

Many volunteers who spoke with BuzzFeed News pointed out that Moms Demand Action encourages its volunteers to support all “gun sense” candidates.

buzzfeednews.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:57:28pm

Not hundreds of thousands, but millions of people wait for sec 8 housing and similar.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 5:58:54pm

Oh—now we’re into the Twitter part of the debate—as if it hasn’t been stupid enough so far.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:00:07pm

Bloomberg is really an asshole.

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:00:27pm

re: #72 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Not hundreds of thousands, but millions of people wait for sec 8 housing and similar.

Only reason I have my voucher is that I am a vet. The VA is a boon to my life.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:00:56pm

Candidates, I am disappoint.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:01:59pm

re: #74 BeachDem

Bloomberg is really an asshole.

He’s like a wrestling heel.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:02:50pm

I want to shoot this entire debate into a black hole and watch it slowly descend into a nightmare of irrational time and space.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:03:53pm

re: #78 Scottish Dragon

Rapidly rotating black hole so we can throw in some fancy frame dragging.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:04:04pm

Has there been a coronavirus question?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:04:21pm

Reparations are a moral imperative, but politically toxic.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:04:56pm

re: #80 The Pie Overlord!

Has there been a coronavirus question?

I don’t think so.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:05:00pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:05:08pm

Imo Pete and Joe look best.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:05:16pm

re: #80 The Pie Overlord!

Has there been a coronavirus question?

Of course not. What do you think, this is a debate or something?

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Mattand  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:05:16pm

Quick tangent: I’ll explain later, but the MAGAt at work read a blogger “who really knows his stuff” about diseases and science-y stuff, and apparently some Chinese are developing a natural immunity to COVID-19.

I shut that shit down in about 10 seconds.

“Tom, I don’t think that’s how that stuff works.”

“No, this guy knows what he’s talking about.”

I’m not asking for the name of the blogger, because Tom is reading Instapundit and Ann Coulter. Christ knows what fucked up, borderline white supremacist “science” site he got this nonsense from. I’ve got three days left on my contract, and I might get hired back. I’m not throwing that away over MAGAt idiocy.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:05:20pm

re: #81 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Reparations are a moral imperative, but politically toxic.

So radioactive that it’ll go bomb.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:06:20pm

I really wish they would cut all mics and only allow a speaker to talk his/her allotted time and then cut his/her damn mic.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:06:38pm

Bernie, sucking up to Clyburn. (Pretty sure he’s endorsing Joe tomorrow)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:06:53pm

re: #89 BeachDem

Bernie, sucking up to Clyburn. (Pretty sure he’s endorsing Joe tomorrow)

He is.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:06:59pm

re: #88 Dread Pirate

My wish is that the microphones had auto times that turn them off after the time.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:07:24pm

re: #84 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Imo Pete and Joe look best.

If Sanders beats Biden Saturday, the race is close to over, based on the polling.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:08:20pm

“A naked cowboy in every city”

What in the living hell is Bloomberg going on about?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:08:40pm

re: #92 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Sanders beats Biden Saturday, the race is close to over, based on the polling.

I meant tonight at the debate.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:08:55pm

re: #92 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Sanders beats Biden Saturday, the race is close to over, based on the polling.

Thus my dilemma—my heart says Elizabeth but we need Joe to beat Bernie here.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:09:19pm

re: #93 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

“A naked cowboy in every city”

What in the living hell is Bloomberg going on about?

I think nearly naked models in Times Square.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:09:21pm

re: #93 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

“A naked cowboy in every city”

What in the living hell is Bloomberg going on about?

NYC famous naked cowboy. I think it goes back to the movie Midnight Cowboy.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:09:55pm

re: #94 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I meant tonight at the debate.

I know; Joe needs a good debate tonight.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:10:46pm

They are going to talk about coronavirus.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:10:54pm

re: #98 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I know; Joe needs a good debate tonight.

So far, so good imo.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:11:17pm

re: #93 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

“A naked cowboy in every city”

What in the living hell is Bloomberg going on about?

Robert John Burck (born December 23, 1970), better known as the Naked Cowboy, is an American actor, singer, songwriter, writer and street performer who sings in New York City’s Times Square.[1] He wears only cowboy boots, a hat, and white briefs, with a guitar strategically placed to give the illusion of nudity.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:12:29pm

re: #93 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

“A naked cowboy in every city”

What in the living hell is Bloomberg going on about?

I only want to hear about taco trucks.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:14:29pm

Joe is doing well tonight in spite of the moderators who seem to be adamant on cutting him off every time he speaks - and he has rightfully called them out on it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:14:37pm

re: #102 Belafon

I only want to hear about taco trucks.

Day one, I will order taco trucks on every corner!

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VegasGolfer  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:14:58pm

re: #97 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

NYC famous naked cowboy. I think it goes back to the movie Midnight Cowboy.

Naked cowboy used to go on the Howard Stern show

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:15:38pm

Did I just hear sander say he wants young Latino and black men selling marijuana instead of big corporations?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:15:58pm

re: #103 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Joe is doing well tonight in spite of the moderators who seem to be adamant on cutting him off every time he speaks - and he has rightfully called them out on it.

I’ve been watching Joe more as of late. I really think he’s more sharper than given credit for. Not my first or even third choice but he’s a doer.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:16:08pm

Lies I’m sure paid for by the insurance industry.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:16:18pm

re: #91 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My wish is that the microphones had auto times that turn them off after the time.

Just to make it interesting I’d go the other way, after the time limit a robot would just keep slowly increasing their mic’s volume slider until the candidate can’t even whisper without deafening everyone.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:16:19pm

I doubt these events change many minds.

Perhaps enough people will finally see that Bernie isn’t all that his followers pretend him to be, so that Joe will win the primary. I guess that is a plus.

It all strikes me as obvious by now, that Pete is drawing away critical support for Joe. Amy is a non actor, as is Steyer.

Bloomberg by celebrity is a force but he’s not going to be the nominee.

Which leaves Warren, who probably pulls from both Joe and Bernie as far as supporters.

At this point I think the best option is to just go with a Biden/Warren ticket and let the chips ride the roulette table.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:16:42pm

re: #106 Scottish Dragon

Did I just hear sander say he wants young Latino and black men selling marijuana instead of big corporations?

Native Americans too.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:17:05pm

re: #106 Scottish Dragon

Did I just hear sander say he wants young Latino and black men selling marijuana instead of big corporations?

Yes, you heard him right.

Bernie is such a disaster.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:18:24pm

re: #110 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I doubt these events change many minds.

Perhaps enough people will finally see that Bernie isn’t all that his followers pretend him to be, so that Joe will win the primary. I guess that is a plus.

It all strikes me as obvious by now, that Pete is drawing away critical support for Joe. Amy is a non actor, as is Steyer.

Bloomberg by celebrity is a force but he’s not going to be the nominee.

Which leaves Warren, who probably pulls from both Joe and Bernie as far as supporters.

At this point I think the best option is to just go with a Biden/Warren ticket and let the chips ride the roulette table.

We need a person of color on the ticket. Stacy Abrahms!

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:18:53pm

So—a Steyer ad—was it national or just local? (love that it featured MSNBC anchors during the CBS debate)

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:19:22pm

re: #106 Scottish Dragon

Did I just hear sander say he wants young Latino and black men selling marijuana instead of big corporations?

They’d make more money if they’d sell big corporations.

But I do think it would be better to make selling legal, and to prefer those who sell small amounts.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:19:24pm

re: #106 Scottish Dragon

Did I just hear sander say he wants young Latino and black men selling marijuana instead of big corporations?

So that means he doesn’t think that young Latinos & Blacks can turn a small company into a big corporation?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:19:25pm

re: #114 BeachDem

So—a Steyer ad—was it national or just local? (love that it featured MSNBC anchors during the CBS debate)

Local I think.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:19:59pm

re: #112 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Yes, you heard him right.

Bernie is such a disaster.

That was the most naive white man racist thing Ive heard in years.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:20:36pm

re: #116 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

So that means he doesn’t think that young Latinos & Blacks can turn a small company into a big corporation?

He thinks selling drugs is what *those kids* do.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:21:26pm

Bloomberg becoming the Rudy (noun-verb-911) of the debate.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:22:43pm

re: #120 BeachDem

Bloomberg becoming the Rudy (noun-verb-911) of the debate.

Rudy has to be seething that Bloomberg is claiming to be the mayor of 9/11!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:23:16pm

Corona for Amy.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:24:14pm

re: #92 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Sanders beats Biden Saturday, the race is close to over, based on the polling.

Fuck all the pundits with a sewage-soaked Ditch Witch.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:25:26pm

re: #122 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Corona for Amy.

If the fatality rate here is 2%, millions of Americans could die.

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:25:37pm

re: #96 NO SMOCKING GUN!

“A naked cowboy in every city”

What in the living hell is Bloomberg going on about?

The Naked Cowboy

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:26:27pm

These folks need to call out Trump by name, not just say “President”.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:27:13pm

re: #110 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I doubt these events change many minds.

Perhaps enough people will finally see that Bernie isn’t all that his followers pretend him to be, so that Joe will win the primary. I guess that is a plus.

It all strikes me as obvious by now, that Pete is drawing away critical support for Joe. Amy is a non actor, as is Steyer.

Bloomberg by celebrity is a force but he’s not going to be the nominee.

Which leaves Warren, who probably pulls from both Joe and Bernie as far as supporters.

At this point I think the best option is to just go with a Biden/Warren ticket and let the chips ride the roulette table.

I disagree somewhat on the debate not changing minds - Mike Bloomberg had his campaign effectively ended by his first debate performance, with a lot of help from Warren. This debate so far has knocked a lot of the mythical halo off of Bernie, and I really want him out of the equation before the conventions because he would be slaughtered by the Trump/Putin machine.

My top choices are currently Warren and Biden, both because I agree with a majority of their stances, but also because they are the two best equipped with the ability to influence the downticket races to swing the Senate and to solidify the House.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:27:51pm

re: #127 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

I disagree somewhat on the debate not changing minds - Mike Bloomberg had his campaign effectively ended by his first debate performance, with a lot of help from Warren. This debate so far has knocked a lot of the mythical halo off of Bernie, and I really want him out of the equation before the conventions because he would be slaughtered by the Trump/Putin machine.

My top choices are currently Warren and Biden, both because I agree with a majority of their stances, but also because they are the two best equipped with the ability to influence the downticket races to swing the Senate and to solidify the House.

Here, here.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:28:05pm

re: #122 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Corona for Amy.

Which is an anagram for: Yo, Racoon Farm!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:30:21pm

Shout out to Joe mentioning Uyghurs.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:33:07pm

Steyer made a good point.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:34:07pm

re: #131 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Steyer made a good point.

On the whole he seems decent but he’s just another rich guy trying to jump into government.

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:35:14pm

re: #93 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

“A naked cowboy in every city”

What in the living hell is Bloomberg going on about?

The guy’s pretty well known locally, and he’s occasionally part of featured background in movie scenes that take place in Times Square. He’s been doing this for close to 30 years, lives on tips.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:35:39pm

hey shouty grandpa..
..if you ate explaining, you are losing

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Dread Pirate  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:36:22pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:36:35pm

I gotta say, Bernie is getting absolutely destroyed here.

And I’m loving EVERY second of it.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:36:43pm

Buttigig gets good hit in

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:36:48pm

Bernie is desperate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:37:33pm

re: #135 Dread Pirate

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That guy is NOT RELATED TO ME!

whew…

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:37:51pm

For god’s sake get the hook from off stage and drag sanders off

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Dread Pirate  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:38:48pm

Fuck this debate. I’m out. Biden won by being the least asshole.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:40:14pm

re: #141 Dread Pirate

Fuck this debate. I’m out. Biden won by being the least asshole.

If Trump actually debates anyone, they’ll have to be ready for him.

On that note, another reason to pick Warren: She actually knows how to debate an empty chair.

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HypnoToad  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:40:51pm

Just mailed my ballot; another for Warren.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:42:29pm

How could we be 20 minutes from the end and nobody is slamming or has stomped on trump yet? That’s what all of this should’ve been about.

Oh, Steyer hits it.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:43:42pm

Steyer shows some real justified anger. His best moment.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:43:51pm

re: #144 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Steyer knows what needs to be done in regards to Trump. Still, he’s not going to win.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:44:44pm

Bloomberg was the first one to mention what the Trump administration did to the pandemic preparedness group and the CDC. So we need to give him some credit for being aware of this critical issue.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:45:12pm

re: #144 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

How could we be 20 minutes from the end and nobody is slamming or has stomped on trump yet? That’s what all of this should’ve been about.

Oh, Steyer hits it.

As satisfying as that would be, what’s the point? Opposing Trump is something that every candidate there agrees with in all details.

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gwangung  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:45:56pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

As satisfying as that would be, what’s the point? Opposing Trump is something that every candidate there agrees with in all details.

No way to diffentiate themselves from the other Democratic candidates.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:46:38pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

Words matter. There are non-Democrats who watch these things.

Hammer Trump. Hammer him at every opportunity.

That’s why I miss Kamala.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:47:32pm

There goes Biden again using pronoun “he”… without the precedent of Trump. Call out Trump by name.

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calochortus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:48:43pm

Good Evening. I did a quick skim and gather I didn’t miss much by preparing and eating dinner without the presence of electronic media?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:49:56pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:51:05pm
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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:51:11pm

And when we come back, we’ll be asking about your dating profiles.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:51:26pm

Oh dear, “closing thoughts” with a puff question.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:52:13pm

re: #155 BeachDem

And when we come back, we’ll be asking about your dating profiles.

Tinder or Grindr?????

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:55:33pm

YEAH BABY!

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:55:43pm

The IMPOTUS fires everyone in government in charge of pandemics, doesn’t replace one of them, lies about the possible oncoming chaos, and nobody blinks an eye.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:56:00pm

And another Steyer ad. (My mailman will be so thrilled once he doesn’t have to deliver Steyer mailers 4 times a week. Which will be next week.)

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:56:22pm

If you were a tree what kind of tree would you be?

//

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:56:32pm

A Saturday primary makes so much more sense than a mid-week caucus.

Let’s hope enough people turn out in SC to finally stop the claims that Bernie is the front runner.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:57:02pm

re: #158 The Pie Overlord!

YEAH BABY!

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Yawn Marco. Maybe if you smoked weed, you wouldn’t be such a tightass.

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calochortus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:57:03pm

My daughter commented to me yesterday that Bloomberg seems to be doing highly targeted and yet unimaginative marketing with his mailers. They have gotten a couple ads addressed to them both pointing out what a great president Bloomberg would make, but then there was one sent only to my Chinese son-in-law pointing out that he would do good things for minorities, while my daughter (who shares his very Chinese last name) got one saying he is a great supporter of women and their rights.
I’ve been throwing the ads out without even looking at them, but when Mr. C. and I got ours today, his was about protecting the environment (Mr. C. worked in wildlands restoration and still volunteers doing the same.) I got Bloomberg is a great supporter of women and their rights. As important as women’s rights are to me (and, coincidentally, to Mr. C.) it’s not my only issue. “Oh look. A woman. Let’s send flyer B.” Sigh.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:57:06pm

My personal motto: fuck Donald Trump.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:57:47pm

re: #162 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

A Saturday primary makes so much more sense than a mid-week caucus.

Let’s hope enough people turn out in SC to finally stop the claims that Bernie is the front runner.

Let’s also hope that most of them are Democrats and that the rat-fucking Republicans who are planning to vote for Bernie stay home.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2020 • 6:59:40pm

re: #166 BeachDem

Let’s also hope that most of them are Democrats and that the rat-fucking Republicans who are planning to vote for Bernie stay home.

The problem is that ratfucking Republicans basically live to ratfuck.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:00:21pm

re: #158 The Pie Overlord!

YEAH BABY!

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:01:08pm

re: #167 EPR-radar

The problem is that ratfucking Republicans basically live to ratfuck.

And they’ve not even been coy about it down here—they’re saying the quiet parts out loud, and sending mailers etc.

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A Three Hour Tour  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:01:16pm

re: #156 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Oh dear, “closing thoughts” with a puff question.

My brother: “Jeeeeeezus fuck, the Oprahfication of the news media!”

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:02:49pm

So even on the “warm and fuzzy” bullshit question, Bernie waved his fingers and shouted crap.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:03:03pm

These religious droppings in the final thoughts remind us once again that few have the courage to confront the magical thinking that the religious right wants to put into law.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:03:50pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:04:29pm

re: #172 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

These religious droppings in the final thoughts remind us once again that few have the courage to confront the magical thinking that the religious right wants to put into law.

US Republicans have become a toxic mess that combines the very worst features of both political cults and religious cults.

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calochortus  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:04:48pm

re: #171 BeachDem

So even on the “warm and fuzzy” bullshit question, Bernie waved his fingers and shouted crap.

If I have to spend 4 years watching Bernie pointing and shouting I will probably be arrested after going to DC and cutting off his right arm.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:05:17pm

re: #171 BeachDem

So even on the “warm and fuzzy” bullshit question, Bernie waved his fingers and shouted crap.

He’d be more pretty if he smiled more.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:06:03pm

re: #176 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’d be more pretty if he smiled more.

Yeah, he’s kinda shrill don’t you think?

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:06:11pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

I know Rubin is a right wing nut job, but it’s amazing how thoroughly right wing talking points etc. have become mainstream.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:06:31pm

re: #175 calochortus

If I have to spend 4 years watching Bernie pointing and shouting I will probably be arrested after going to DC and cutting off his right arm.

It’s incredibly off putting.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:06:56pm

So the rest of them chat with each other and Uncle Joe goes over to shmooze with the audience.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:06:57pm

re: #177 BeachDem

Yeah, he’s kinda shrill don’t you think?

At least he doesn’t cackle but he should do something about his hair.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:07:15pm

Oh goodie, a spin room.

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calochortus  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:07:21pm

re: #176 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’d be more pretty if he smiled more.

Sorry, no. Have you really looked at his smile?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:07:54pm

re: #180 BeachDem

So the rest of them chat with each other and Uncle Joe goes over to shmooze with the audience.

Joe imo is the most small letter d-democratic running imo. He earned my vote tonight.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:08:05pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

This is America, where Hillary lost some of her support because African Americans wanted cops to be held accountable for shooting blacks.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:08:12pm

re: #183 calochortus

Sorry, no. Have you really looked at his smile?

Psst. I’m mocking sexism.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:08:19pm

re: #181 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

At least he doesn’t cackle but he should do something about his hair.

We haven’t been able to see if he has cankles.

So, during this break, one Amy ad and one more Steyer.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:09:03pm

re: #187 BeachDem

We haven’t been able to see if he has cankles.

So, during this break, one Amy ad and one more Steyer.

Must be local. We only got the Bloomy one.

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calochortus  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:09:49pm

re: #186 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Psst. I’m mocking sexism.

I know. But he does often have a sort of odd smile IMHO.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:10:27pm

re: #189 calochortus

I know. But he does often have a sort of odd smile IMHO.

I always feel like I’m being yelled at by him or Trump.

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:10:50pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:11:18pm

Co—sign:

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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:11:38pm
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calochortus  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:12:04pm

re: #190 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I always feel like I’m being yelled at by him or Trump.

You are. I am. We are apparently failures. I don’t think I’ll take it to heart, though. ;)

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:14:42pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:14:43pm

re: #158 The Pie Overlord!

YEAH BABY!

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Most of the comments seemed really enthusiastic about the Democratic platform — especially the “reefer” part!

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:15:25pm

re: #192 Interesting Times

Honestly, the two Twitter questions the so-called moderators picked were more specific and in-depth than anything they themselves asked -_-

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calochortus  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:17:18pm

re: #196 Hecuba’s daughter

Most of the comments seemed really enthusiastic about the Democratic platform — especially the “reefer” part!

Well, I’m not really into recreation drugs (except wine and the occasional mixed drink.) Maybe I can find someone to donate my “reefer” to?

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:17:53pm

re: #195 jaunte

“Fuck Trump” is all the motto anyone needs these days.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:19:25pm

re: #198 calochortus

Well, I’m not really into recreation drugs (except wine and the occasional mixed drink.) Maybe I can find someone to donate my “reefer” to?

Don’t worry, I carry the load for many.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:23:54pm

I popped over to Balloon Juice, and saw this:

Can Americans trust a Dem Soc pres will not give authoritarians a few pass?

Did they actually ask that question? What a bunch of crap. Look at the White House. If the Democrats gave a few passes, that would still be less than Trump.

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calochortus  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:24:53pm

re: #200 Dread Pirate

Don’t worry, I carry the load for many.

Great, when I get my free supply, send me your address and I’ll send them along.

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:27:39pm

What you can learn from the QAnons

The more you know

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:29:58pm

I daresay she’s by far the most effective Bernie surrogate - she does a better job justifying his policies than he himself:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:31:13pm

re: #204 Interesting Times

I daresay she’s by far the most effective Bernie surrogate - she does a better job justifying his policies than he himself:

So if Bernie is Marx, AOC is…. Trotsky? Lenin?

/just asking for some friends.

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calochortus  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:33:34pm

re: #203 gocart mozart

What you can learn from the QAnons

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Video

Well, apparently what they do in that club is take a lot of your money.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:36:00pm

Charlie Pierce completely lost his shit about Pete dissing 60s commie cosplay radicalism and decided to be OFFENDED on behalf of every person who ever marched for any cause evuh

Pete should go to Orangeburg, where protesting students were gunned down by cops, and tell them that “the revolutionary politics of the 1960s” have no relevance to today.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:36:01pm

re: #205 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So if Bernie is Marx, AOC is…. Trotsky? Lenin?

/just asking for some friends.

Did Marx actually try to run anything?

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gwangung  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:38:06pm

re: #207 Scottish Dragon

Charlie Pierce completely lost his shit about Pete dissing 60s commie cosplay radicalism and decided to be OFFENDED on behalf of every person who ever marched for any cause evuh

Well, the problem is that Buttigieg is actually right, and Bernie IS stuck in the 60s in his ideology and outlook…and the progressive movement has moved onward and developed ever more sophisticated doctrine.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:40:01pm

If this is true it might explain what I noticed and commented on up-thread.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:43:01pm

re: #207 Scottish Dragon

Charlie Pierce completely lost his shit about Pete dissing 60s commie cosplay radicalism and decided to be OFFENDED on behalf of every person who ever marched for any cause evuh

My page about the Orangeburg Massacre, for anyone interested.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:48:01pm

Fuck, Trump’s visit sparked a full-on pogrom.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:58:06pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2020 • 7:59:27pm
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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:00:57pm

re: #213 Dread Pirate

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Personally, I don’t think the filibuster would have been kept around had McConnell actually wanted to pass anything.

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:03:19pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:06:32pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:07:15pm

re: #215 Belafon

Personally, I don’t think the filibuster would have been kept around had McConnell actually wanted to pass anything.

This.

The GOP is passing everything’s it wants through reconciliation

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Dread Pirate  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:15:36pm
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DodgerFan1988  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:17:34pm

How far the NY Times have fallen to placate conservatives.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:18:54pm

re: #216 gocart mozart

Digging, I found that Zev Karlin-Neumann, a former speechwriter for President Barack Obama, is part of Pete’s campaign.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:20:29pm
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retired cynic  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:21:40pm

re: #216 gocart mozart

This is more the kind of study I would expect, than the one Paul Szauter has laid out.

Oof da

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Chrysicat  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:21:43pm

re: #220 DodgerFan1988

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How far the NY Times have fallen to placate conservatives.

Knowing that the Bee wants to be the “mainstream, but religious, conservative version of the Onion”, did Trump and Miller seriously get invited to put pieces in the Op-Ed, or is the Bee just stirring shit to stir shit?

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:24:56pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:27:51pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:29:10pm

If this debate made anything clear, two things are so sacrosanct that even “progressive” Democrats dare not attack them:
1) the military;
2) religion.

The final puff answers were mostly nauseating attempts to sound holy.

None of them in the prior two hours were honest about how the only way to pay for expanded social programs will mean cutting the trillion dollar defense spending in half.

Indeed, none of them even opined about a trillion dollar defense package in an annual budget. It’s as if it isn’t there.

I fully expect them to duck questions about Social Security and evidently the CBS folk knew to avoid raising the question of long term SS funding.

This is why Trump feels he can get away with lying everyday: because he knows that most people don’t want the truth anyway.

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Chrysicat  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:30:25pm

re: #226 Belafon

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Chrysicat  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:36:30pm
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sagehen  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:37:28pm
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vgranucci  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:38:45pm

re: #158 The Pie Overlord!

YEAH BABY!

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He says it as if it’s a bad thing.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:39:58pm

re: #231 sagehen

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Thanksgiving when I was a kid generally involved my mom and her brother yelling at each other, so…

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:40:27pm

re: #231 sagehen

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Sounded exactly like our weekly discussions with our brother!

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:42:46pm
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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:45:28pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:48:14pm

re: #158 The Pie Overlord!

YEAH BABY!

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(Ugh. Somehow didn’t notice I missed this referent.)
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:53:18pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:55:45pm

re: #239 Ace-o-aces

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Poor Zombies. They’re not going to find too many brains in the WH.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:57:41pm

re: #231 sagehen

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Chrysicat  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:58:13pm

OT:

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Chrysicat  Feb 25, 2020 • 8:59:40pm

re: #241 Ace-o-aces

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Oh, no, no, no, no.

Even if you’re Jewish yourself, that’s asking the alt-right to come in and fav it to death.

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plansbandc  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:10:47pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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plansbandc  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:12:07pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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plansbandc  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:12:55pm

Sorry. It’s a great animation about Obama.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:13:24pm

re: #239 Ace-o-aces

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Nah, Larry’s the guy at the beginning of the film (if not the opening credits) mumbling gov’t assurances that the “crisis” is being dealt with and the country will be fine…just before some hapless staffer gets gang-tackled by a pack of zombies.

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plansbandc  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:13:50pm

re: #244 plansbandc

I want to kill this but I can’t.

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uriel  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:20:26pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:26:31pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:30:27pm
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Belafon  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:30:56pm

re: #242 Chrysicat

OT:

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For most people alive, IAWL is probably what she’s best known for.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:35:53pm

re: #252 Belafon

For most people alive, IAWL is probably what she’s best known for.

Yeah Mary Bailey probably is her most iconic role. Doesn’t take away from her successes but I definitely think IAWL when I hear her name.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:45:09pm

Fun on FB

Yeah…. Nope.
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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:45:19pm

re: #253 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah Mary Bailey probably is her most iconic role. Doesn’t take away from her successes but I definitely think IAWL when I hear her name.

I think first of The Donna Reed Show (8 seasons) and second of her Oscar-winning role in From Here to Eternity. YMMV.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:48:48pm

re: #154 The Pie Overlord!

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Monty and Esmeralda Griftconstantly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 25, 2020 • 9:51:03pm

Imitre: #255 BeachDem

I think first of The Donna Reed Show (8 seasons) and second of her Oscar-winning role in From Here to Eternity. YMMV.

Probably depends on one’s age I imagine.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:03:47pm

Welcome to Stupidtown, where everything is stupid

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Dread Pirate  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:09:03pm
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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:12:47pm

re: #257 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Imit

Probably depends on one’s age I imagine.

And how often you’ve run into that saccharine fest on holiday TV. From Here to Eternity is a far better film to be remembered for.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:25:02pm

Debates before Iowa: “Look, we’re a united party fighting together to defeat Trump.”

Debates after Iowa: “YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME?!”

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:39:02pm

The WH’s War on the Poor continues apace:

“A document that the Trump administration sent to Congress, which we have seen, indicates that the administration is transferring $37 million to emergency funding for the coronavirus response from the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, or LIHEAP, which funds heating for poor families,” they reported.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:41:17pm

Bernie Bro: But he’s technically correct…
Me: You are REALLY missing the point here!

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:44:10pm

re: #262 Targetpractice

The WH’s War on the Poor continues apace:

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“A document that the Trump administration sent to Congress, which we have seen, indicates that the administration is transferring $37 million to emergency funding for the coronavirus response from the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, or LIHEAP, which funds heating for poor families,” they reported.

I know!! I know!! The money can be transferred from his vanity wall project!!

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:46:22pm

re: #263 Ace-o-aces

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Bernie Bro: But he’s technically correct…
Me: You are REALLY missing the point here!

Bernie’s bound and determined to do everything within his power to torch his chances in Florida.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:47:20pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

And that is why I’ve been typing like a maniac for two days.

Because the right wing, even a lot of the ones acting like “good guys” just want shit to go back into the memory hole, and deny that decades of memory hole aren’t what gets us people that will vote for someone who lies constantly.

To say nothing of a whole mess of shitty policy that’s fucking us up, then everyone denies there’s cause and effect between shitty policy and shitty outcome after the fact.

I mean, Rush Fucking Limbaugh is trying to blame the Iraq War debacle on the deep state and Democrats, and it’s not really that much of a rhetorical reach after we had a president who did Iran Contra and then told the public “in my heart, it didn’t feel like I was doing the wrong thing.”

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Kilroy was here  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:56:47pm

“At least Trump got to visit the Taj Mahal he didn’t bankrupt.”

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 25, 2020 • 10:58:08pm

re: #249 uriel

He seems to be having motor function issues.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:01:16am

This seems not great

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Cheechako  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:05:19am

re: #267 Kilroy was here

“At least Trump got to visit the Taj Mahal he didn’t bankrupt.”

Are you sure? Nice spot for a new casino.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:36:03am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:53:06am

re: #270 Cheechako

Personally, I think the idea of a casino based on a tomb is like sort some sort of perverse, poem-logic confession about the true nature of casinos.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:25:31am

re: #204 Interesting Times

I daresay she’s by far the most effective Bernie surrogate - she does a better job justifying his policies than he himself:

I used to work in the food industry.

I can’t tell you how many times the people who handle your food - who are already overworked & underpaid - show up sick to work because our country refuses to guarantee healthcare or paid sick leave.

That is just a sound argument for paid sick leave

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:31:24am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is just a sound argument for paid sick leave

True; how many millions of Americans - many of whom work in the hospitality industry - say to themselves, “Fuckin’-A. I’m really, really sick but I can’t afford to miss even a single shift at work since I don’t get any paid sick days. Welp, guess I’m just gonna take some DayQuil and hope for the best.”

That’s how you get an epidemic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:31:29am

re: #254 Rightwingconspirator

Fun on FB

I took the “communism test” on FB, got around a 35, but many of the questions/statements are phrased so poorly as to be misleading or useless.

I recall one

“People will have no incentive to work harder if they feel they cannot get rich”

It is not about getting rich, it is about being fairly and properly compensated for one’s efforts.

In America we still see life as a crap shoot and any attempt to collectivize or unionize is restricting our personal freedoms and ruining our individual chances of becoming billionaires.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:39:19am

This is the funniest goddamn thing I’ve seen in quite some time. It’s like a Spanish-language version of Reno 911! (don’t forget to turn on subtitles):

HARINA

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Dread Pirate  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:52:39am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:55:09am

re: #277 Dread Pirate

Jeez, their entire cabinet is probably infected. Yeesh.

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:58:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:58:59am

re: #278 Dr Lizardo

Jeez, their entire cabinet is probably infected. Yeesh.

they are vulnerable, good time to launch an attack…

/

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:09:48am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they are vulnerable, good time to launch an attack…

/

Is it wrong to pray, even when you’re obvs being sarcastic, that the entire executive-branch internet node has LGF blocked so they can’t see that and take it seriously?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:51:57am

re: #281 Chrysicat

Is it wrong to pray, even when you’re obvs being sarcastic, that the entire executive-branch internet node has LGF blocked so they can’t see that and take it seriously?

they have long since obliterated the line between satire and reality

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:53:26am

In COVID-19 news, looks like things in Italy aren’t getting any better, sad to say:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:58:57am

re: #283 Dr Lizardo

In COVID-19 news, looks like things in Italy aren’t getting any better, sad to say:

It has crossed the Alps into Germany, two new cases reported yesterday.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:17:00am

re: #284 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It has crossed the Alps into Germany, two new cases reported yesterday.

And like I said yesterday, it’s almost certainly spreading here in Czech Republic as well as a silent epidemic. It just hasn’t been detected….yet.

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Ming5000  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:17:35am

re: #176 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’d be more pretty if he smiled more.

Appreciated comment.

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:32:52am

Charles, did you know this one, or was he either after your time or wrong genre?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:32:42am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:42:59am

re: #288 Dave In Austin

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The whole everyone who hates Bernie is a trust fund and just hates the working class is tired.

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nowherenorth2  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:52:30am

re: #289 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Agreed.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:53:58am
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jeffreyw  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:58:36am

Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:02:08am

re: #289 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The whole everyone who hates Bernie is a trust fund and just hates the working class is tired.

There is so much interference and background troll and bot noise that the discussion is truly pointless.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:06:39am

re: #293 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is so much interference and background troll and bot noise that the discussion is truly pointless.

No. It’s from his own campaign and allies in the media. It’s not bots. That’s why it’s tiresome.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:08:36am

re: #294 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No. It’s from his own campaign and allies in the media. It’s not bots. That’s why it’s tiresome.

how many of his “allies” in the media are true allies and not just ratfuckers?

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:12:03am

So after two days of bloodshed on Wall Street that have wiped out the year’s gains-to-date, Trump has decided that the most thing he can do…is find someone to blame:

President Donald Trump is “furious” the DOW plunged nearly 2000 points during the past two days over coronavirus fears, wiping out all of 2020’s gains as the November reelection approaches. The President watched the markets from India, and grew even more “unhappy” with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar after a top CDC official warned the coronavirus would spread across the country.

By the way, see if this sounds familiar:

Despite the CDC’s Nancy Messonnier alerting Americans today that it’s “not a question of if this will happen but when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illnesses,” Trump White House spokesman Judd Deere said that “what we are seeing today is a political effort by the Left and some in the media to distract and disturb the American people with fearful rhetoric and palace intrigue.”

“The United States economy is the strongest in the world thanks to the leadership and policies of President Trump. The virus remains low risk domestically because of the containment actions taken by this Administration since the first of the year.”

Yes, it’s reassuring that the WH is taking their talking points from Rush the Hutt.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:13:46am

Lre: #295 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

how many of his “allies” in the media are true allies and not just ratfuckers?

Whatever they are, I don’t need someone who makes more than I do telling me I hate the socioeconomic group a lot of my family comes from because I don’t like a hypocritical charlatan.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:14:52am

re: #296 Targetpractice

So after two days of bloodshed on Wall Street that have wiped out the year’s gains-to-date, Trump has decided that the most thing he can do…is find someone to blame:

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By the way, see if this sounds familiar:

Yes, it’s reassuring that the WH is taking their talking points from Rush the Hutt.

Sorry that Hair Furor is mad that the Corona Virus is killing the Stock Market, maybe he should be more worried about it killing Americans?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:14:59am

re: #296 Targetpractice

“The United States economy is the strongest in the world thanks to the leadership and policies of President Trump. The virus remains low risk domestically because of the containment actions taken by this Administration since the first of the year.”

“The United States Soviet Union’s economy is the strongest in the world thanks to the leadership and policies of President Trump The Soviet Central Committee. The virus Chernobyl remains low risk domestically because of the containment actions taken by this Administration since the first of the year May.”

Sound familiar?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:16:03am

re: #296 Targetpractice

So after two days of bloodshed on Wall Street that have wiped out the year’s gains-to-date, Trump has decided that the most thing he can do…is find someone to blame:

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By the way, see if this sounds familiar:

Yes, it’s reassuring that the WH is taking their talking points from Rush the Hutt.

Maybe if he actually paid attention to what was going on instead of watching Fox wash his balls, having stupid rallies, & tweeting bizarre bullshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:16:57am

re: #297 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

L

Whatever they are, I don’t need someone who makes more than I do telling me I hate the socioeconomic group a lot of my family comes from because I don’t like a hypocritical charlatan.

I am just saying that Bernie’s entire candidacy (and the entire Democratic primary process) is being totally distorted by the GOP, who have no primary of their own to distract them from blowing smoke, sticking spokes in wheels and sowing dissent and discord wherever they find it to their advantage.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:17:02am

re: #298 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

Sorry that Hair Furor is mad that the Corona Virus is killing the Stock Market, maybe he should be more worried about it killing Americans?

He cares only about his re-election and portraying himself as a victim.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:21:24am

re: #302 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He cares only about his re-election and portraying himself as a victim.

can’t he just take a sharpie and erase the US Covid-19 victims from the map?

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:22:28am

re: #254 Rightwingconspirator

Fun on FB

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“So, what did you score, Paul?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:24:29am

re: #304 Belafon

“So, what did you score, Paul?”

I got a 34. Which is enough to paint me as a radical America-hater.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:24:49am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am just saying that Bernie’s entire candidacy (and the entire Democratic primary process) is being totally distorted by the GOP, who have no primary of their own to distract them from blowing smoke, sticking spokes in wheels and sowing dissent and discord wherever they find it to their advantage.

Are you going to say this in regards to Nina Turner and Sanders’ actual campaign staff who says this too? It’s not just Republicans. You help them make their argument when you act like Sanders is no legitimate support. The problem isn’t that Bernie has legitimate support. The problem is Bernie’s support thinks anyone who is so much critical of him and his agenda hates the working class. It’s a bunch of bullshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:27:00am

re: #306 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Are you going to say this in regards to Nina Turner and Sanders’ actual campaign staff who says this too? It’s not just Republicans. You help them make their argument when you act like Sanders is no legitimate support. The problem isn’t that Bernie has legitimate support. The problem is Bernie’s support thinks anyone who is so much critical of him and his agenda hates the working class. It’s a bunch of bullshit.

Sanders would be a marginal figure - and for good reason - without all the artificial support fed into his candidacy.

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lizardofid  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:30:01am

re: #296 Targetpractice

So after two days of bloodshed on Wall Street that have wiped out the year’s gains-to-date, Trump has decided that the most thing he can do…is find someone to blame:

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By the way, see if this sounds familiar:

Yes, it’s reassuring that the WH is taking their talking points from Rush the Hutt.

It’s also informative that Trump would think the market’s concerns are dependent on the level the virus is in the US.

Oh, good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:36:16am

re: #308 lizardofid

It’s also informative that Trump would think the market’s concerns are dependent on the level the virus is in the US.

Oh, good morning!

Totally clueless. Market fears are based on fears of collapse of the just-in-time delivery system that the world economy is dependent on.

Another major trade fair in Frankfurt was cancelled - as much out of fear of the virus as about the simple consideration that there is no reason to launch a new line of products if you are not sure you will be able to deliver in time.

And our whole economic model is all about delivering the latest model with all the fancy upgrades that you just have to have.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:44:29am

Giving Daddy a little tug for the road.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:44:29am

re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Exactly. Everything now is largely dependent on just-in-time manufacturing, supply chains and logistics. If those break down, then as they say, shit rolls downhill. That’s what stock markets around the world are freaking about.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:48:08am
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CarolJ  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:48:44am

Right now the world is floating on a bed of inventory that’s already been shipped and stored. But it will run out in about 3 months or so when the things we have to toss out do get tossed out, replacement parts aren’t available anywhere at any price, and when people who are paid to ship things aren’t shipping things.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:50:15am

re: #312 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Did Ann Coulter just endorse Elizabeth Warren?

indirectly, yes, she has indicated (correctly in my estimation) that Warren does not just have ideas and goals, she has concrete plans on how to implement them…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:51:27am

re: #302 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He cares only about his re-election and portraying himself as a victim.

I wonder if a political appointee is going to force the CDC to walk back its statement on coronavirus to back up Trump’s leading virologist Larry Kudlow.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:51:29am

re: #313 CarolJ

Right now the world is floating on a bed of inventory that’s already been shipped and stored. But it will run out in about 3 months or so when the things we have to toss out do get tossed out, replacement parts aren’t available anywhere at any price, and when people who are paid to ship things aren’t shipping things.

Škoda Auto reckons they’ll run out of vital automotive electronics components (ECU’s) by next weekend. Without those, production pretty much grinds to a halt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:52:30am

re: #313 CarolJ

Right now the world is floating on a bed of inventory that’s already been shipped and stored. But it will run out in about 3 months or so when the things we have to toss out do get tossed out, replacement parts aren’t available anywhere at any price, and when people who are paid to ship things aren’t shipping things.

And again, companies are hesitant to launch new products as they are unsure about their ability to deliver. Meanwhile, our whole economic model is about producing tons of cheap crap that breaks or is outdated within a year and needs to be replaced with the upgraded model

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:52:39am

re: #315 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I wonder if a political appointee is going to force the CDC to walk back its statement on coronavirus to back up Trump’s leading virologist Larry Kudlow.

I would not be shocked.

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secretslothbear  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:54:16am

There’s speculation that Warren has been treating Sanders with kid gloves because she wants to be his VP. But it occurs to me: if Warren keeps some progressive votes that would otherwise go to Sanders, and she prevents him from winning Massachusetts, and her hits on Bloomberg are effective, maybe she’s helping… Biden?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:54:42am

re: #316 Dr Lizardo

Škoda Auto reckons they’ll run out of vital automotive electronics components (ECU’s) by next weekend. Without those, production pretty much grinds to a halt.

I already have over 50 ship-based tours lined up already for the 2020 season. The first one has already been cancelled, as it involved the trade fair mentioned earlier.

Now I am starting to wonder who is going to want to be on a cruise ship on the Rhine with the Corona virus at large…

This could get existential for me real soon.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:56:08am

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:57:52am

re: #316 Dr Lizardo

Škoda Auto reckons they’ll run out of vital automotive electronics components (ECU’s) by next weekend. Without those, production pretty much grinds to a halt.

I was hearing on NPR the other day about who will get hit by these shortages. Guess the clothing retail stores are ok for a while. They have already gotten their orders for spring/summer clothing, which starts production in China at the beginning of winter to have them ready for stores by late winter. Where they might have problems will be come fall/winter this year if China cannot get factories back open soon enough to gear up for deliveries of those products to retail stores by that season.

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:02:32am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The concerns about covid19 aren’t going away anytime soon, and Trump’s more worried about how this affects Trump’s ambitions and future personally than protecting the nation from the threat and mobilizing the CDC and our public health officials.

Contradicting what they say is a great look. Ignoring public health is a great look. That’s the GOP way. The GOP worldview is to slash and burn the safety net - including public health programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare. They also seek deep cuts to the CDC and pandemic prevention programs that help other countries contain emerging illnesses.

It’s all myopic short sighted bulkshit, and enough people fall for it.

We’re watching Trump sabotage functioning government and putting the most incompetent people in charge of programs they don’t have any interest in.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:03:14am

Eric remembers when the CCCP trashed Obama over Ebola…and they continue to give Trump a pass…

As the debacle spreads, I’ve been struck in recent weeks by the press coverage of coronavirus, and specifically Trump’s ineffectual response, compared to how the 2014 Ebola scare in the U.S. under President Barack Obama was covered by the same Beltway press corps. As you may recall, prompted by partisan hysteria voiced by Republicans, the press lost its collective mind covering Ebola and crucified Obama for months, hyping concerns that a deadly domestic outbreak was imminent. By contrast, the press has spent weeks sleepwalking through the Trump coronavirus coverage.

pressrun.substack.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:04:12am

re: #324 Joe Bacon 🌹

Eric remembers when the CCCP trashed Obama over Ebola…and they continue to give Trump a pass…

As the debacle spreads, I’ve been struck in recent weeks by the press coverage of coronavirus, and specifically Trump’s ineffectual response, compared to how the 2014 Ebola scare in the U.S. under President Barack Obama was covered by the same Beltway press corps. As you may recall, prompted by partisan hysteria voiced by Republicans, the press lost its collective mind covering Ebola and crucified Obama for months, hyping concerns that a deadly domestic outbreak was imminent. By contrast, the press has spent weeks sleepwalking through the Trump coronavirus coverage.

pressrun.substack.com

Arguably the way the right fearmongered about the Ebola cost the Senate in 2014.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:09:07am

re: #325 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Arguably the way the right fearmongered about the Ebola cost the Senate in 2014.

It was the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press working hand in hand with the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine that cost us the Senate in 2014.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:11:14am

re: #326 Joe Bacon 🌹

It was the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press working hand in hand with the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine that cost us the Senate in 2014.

A lot of that is yeah the same bs.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:13:15am

Care to guess how far the Dow falls today? 800? 900? 1000? More?

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:15:34am

re: #328 Joe Bacon 🌹

Care to guess how far the Dow falls today? 800? 900? 1000? More?

Larry coke-K says all is fine.

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:18:36am

re: #328 Joe Bacon 🌹

If the markets drop another 2-300 points, Trump will consider it a win.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:25:23am

re: #328 Joe Bacon 🌹

Care to guess how far the Dow falls today? 800? 900? 1000? More?

I suspect today won’t be like the last two. Eventually you run out of panic.

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lizardofid  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:29:33am

re: #331 Belafon

I suspect today won’t be like the last two. Eventually you run out of panic.

I hope you’re right. The world has enough problems without a crippling economic crisis.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:30:09am

About the debates:

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lizardofid  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:32:17am

re: #333 Belafon

About the debates:

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Mayor Pete is Steve Guttenberg? ; )

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:32:36am

re: #333 Belafon

About the debates:

I contend that a lot of people are ignorant as shit. Biden gets treated like he wants to treat McConnell with kid gloves but if you really listen to Biden, he wants to do all he can to make sure there is no McConnell to deal with.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:33:38am

re: #333 Belafon

I loved the line in Cocoon: “Like blue steel, a cat couldn’t scratch it”

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:34:24am

re: #334 lizardofid

And Bernie got the diabeatus.

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plansbandc  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:39:38am

re: #296 Targetpractice

If we picked a random person off the street to be President, he’d do a far better job than this piece of garbage.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:40:05am

Syrian rebel ACV-15 (with a driver who is insane or higher than a kite) chasing and ramming a Syrian army T-72 MBT…and ramming it. Repeatedly.

Set to Yakkity Sax.

You know you want this.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:40:41am

Wilford Brimley is actually a likable person, so I withdraw my analogy.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:43:38am

re: #340 Shropshire Slasher

Wilford Brimley is actually a likable person, so I withdraw my analogy.

Wilford Brimley was the same age in Cocoon as Tom Cruise is now.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:44:20am

This is what Trump is trying to avoid talking about. COVID-19 has between a 2%-5% lethality which is 1917 pandemic stuff. Schools closed, stores closed, people have to stay home indoors for 2 weeks etc.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:46:43am

re: #342 Belafon

Wilford Brimley was the same age in Cocoon as Tom Cruise is now.

Always boggles my mind watching The Thing that he was under 50. He was great as Blair. The Thing is my favorite sci-fi thriller. That’s a genre I usually can’t get into but it’s a great movie.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:48:18am

re: #254 Rightwingconspirator

Fun on FB

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Paul Allan is an idiot.
Paul Allan reads Info wars and Gates of Vienna.

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jeffreyw  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:50:35am

re: #339 Scottish Dragon

Syrian rebel ACV-15 (with a driver who is insane or higher than a kite) chasing and ramming a Syrian army T-72 MBT…and ramming it. Repeatedly.

Set to Yakkity Sax.

You know you want this.

[Embedded content]

Insanity would be trying to run from that cannon. He was trying to hug their belt buckle. I wonder what the eventual outcome was.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:53:45am

list the issues a Bloomberg presidency will be better for than another 4 years of Trump: tax distribution, health care, guns, climate change, Supreme Court nominees, border walls, LGBTQ rights (despite his personal expression of opinion, yes i do believe his policy responses will be so much better).

Unless you believe Bloomberg is the same pathological liar about every single thing that Trump is, then on every issue, every consequence, he’d be better.

- he hits trump head on and isn’t coy, shy or afraid to do so
- there’s no way ‘he’s a socialist’ could be used against him
- he knows and is well aware of his own history and soft points, though maybe not quite as prepared and polished as he should be.

he recovered from the first debate
did you write him off?
a guy who wants to be president has to have some ego
and he’s got the bucks so that’s not a factor
my guess - he probably planned the first debate that way. not to tank. but certainly to not ‘prepare’ and see what would happen - as a strategy.
and yes, it was a bad idea.
so what did he do?
buckle and crumble? (of course not. I wouldn’t be writing this and if he did, then he’s clearly not prez material)
or did he do the hard work and rebound? learn from it, re-steer, and come back better than he was?

i’m in the voter pool of old(er) white moderates who just want to beat Trump and don’t care so much about specific policy issues - especially ones that are not going to happen this cycle.

Sanders M4A plan has almost no chance to get the votes of Manchin and Sinema, let alone any Senate Republicans.

In the present circumstances this is nothing but a theoretical or philosophical debate. Even granting it’s a great idea and maybe where we’re heading longer term, it’s not going to happen now.

Of course, there will be a whole new narrative after Saturday (half a lifetime in politics)

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:54:00am

I see that the Imbecile in Chief will be having a press conference with the CDC hostages today. I won’t watch one second of any CDC people lie to us with guns to their heads.

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jeffreyw  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:55:44am

re: #344 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Always boggles my mind watching The Thing that he was under 50. He was great as Blair. The Thing is my favorite sci-fi thriller. That’s a genre I usually can’t get into but it’s a great movie.

Yeah, I rate it up there with Aliens and Blade Runner, and my own introduction the the genre: Forbidden Planet.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:55:59am

re: #346 jeffreyw

Insanity would be trying to run from that cannon. He was trying to hug their belt buckle. I wonder what the eventual outcome was.

He started off rather far away and out of site in the trees. Running and hiding was the sensible option. All I can think of was the Syrian T-72 ran out of 125mm ammunition because the rebel IFV was dead to rights before the T-72 laid down smoke and left the road. Hell, at that range, the .50 cal on the tank would have seriously damaged the rebel IFV.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 6:56:24am

re: #349 jeffreyw

Yeah, I rate it up there with Aliens and Blade Runner, and my own introduction the the genre: Forbidden Planet.

The setting is perfect. Great acting too.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:06:11am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:06:18am

re: #348 Ace Rothstein

I see that the Imbecile in Chief will be having a press conference with the CDC hostages today. I won’t watch one second of any CDC people lie to us with guns to their heads.

Who will Shithead blame first?

Fake News?
Democrats?
Obama?
Hillary?
Pelosi?

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sagehen  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:06:38am

re: #347 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

list the issues a Bloomberg presidency will be better for than another 4 years of Trump: tax distribution, health care, guns, climate change, Supreme Court nominees, border walls, LGBTQ rights (despite his personal expression of opinion, yes i do believe his policy responses will be so much better).

Also, environmental protection, habitat preservation, national parks.
college affordability

and just as a general, across-the-board rule: appreciation for expertise and willingness to do his homework. He will hire competent department heads.

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jeffreyw  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:07:36am

re: #350 Scottish Dragon

He started off rather far away and out of site in the trees. Running and hiding was the sensible option. All I can think of was the Syrian T-72 ran out of 125mm ammunition because the rebel IFV was dead to rights before the T-72 laid down smoke and left the road. Hell, at that range, the .50 cal on the tank would have seriously damaged the rebel IFV.

I don’t have any info at all to set the context of the scuffle. Fair chance that the tank commander wasn’t sure the other vehicle was a foe. Hard to tell from the aerial view just how effective a run and hide option would have been and there is no way to tell about the relative experience and training of the crews. Too many unknowns.

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retired cynic  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:09:38am

re: #268 Dr Lizardo

[DT] seems to be having motor function issues.

I’m wondering if it might not be a pinched nerve, especially in his lumbar back.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:10:40am

re: #355 jeffreyw

I don’t have any info at all to set the context of the scuffle. Fair chance that the tank commander wasn’t sure the other vehicle was a foe. Hard to tell from the aerial view just how effective a run and hide option would have been and there is no way to tell about the relative experience and training of the crews. Too many unknowns.

The view from inside a buttoned-up tank is pretty limited as well. For a good chunk of that video the tank commander probably wasn’t getting more than a glimpse or two of that APC. So for one, he might not know *what* was out there maneuvering around him. And also wouldn’t be sure how it was armed, or whether it had infantry on board armed with something that could hurt his vehicle. And even a T-72 would not appreciate an RPG-7 being fired into its backside.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:11:04am

re: #283 Dr Lizardo

In COVID-19 news, looks like things in Italy aren’t getting any better, sad to say:

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Looks like that story is a week old, has the chart been updated?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:11:42am
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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:12:44am

re: #350 Scottish Dragon

Frank commented that he thought the IFV was a mobile IED and that seems likely to me. That 25mm isn’t enough to take on a T-72 but a martyr trip? Yep.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:14:15am

re: #358 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Looks like that story is a week old, has the chart been updated?

The most recent update on the linked story is reported as today, 26 February at 8:14 am EST.

bnonews.com

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lizardofid  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:15:18am

My favorite Wilford Brimley character was in Absence of Malice. When I close my eyes I could swear it’s my (late) older brother talking.

Absence of Malice Inquiry

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:16:44am

Update about that teenager who was missing in Detroit a couple of days ago:

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:17:54am
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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:18:48am

re: #363 The Pie Overlord!

Update about that teenager who was missing in Detroit a couple of days ago:

That’s good. A (black) kid went missing here in the Metroplex a few months ago and it didn’t end well. Hoping this finishes up better.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:19:16am

re: #292 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Made it to humpday.

Do you deliver?
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:21:54am

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:24:01am
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lizardofid  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:24:36am

re: #367 Joe Bacon 🌹

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So, does “coffee boy” fall under “gofer”?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:24:39am

re: #355 jeffreyw

I don’t have any info at all to set the context of the scuffle. Fair chance that the tank commander wasn’t sure the other vehicle was a foe. Hard to tell from the aerial view just how effective a run and hide option would have been and there is no way to tell about the relative experience and training of the crews. Too many unknowns.

The T-72 fires a single shot at an unknown target earlier, and then you see 2 rebel IFV’s to the lower right of the industrial building moving at high speed about half a mile from the T-72. The one IFV continues through the tree grove, plowing over several trees before going onto the main road and confronting the T-72.

A Brit tanker on twitter was also wondering if this was a case of belt buckle tactics, but the T-72 had a clear point blank shot and instead opted to lay smoke and retreat, which was, ahem, strange. Might have simply gotten spooked and thought the IFV had something nasty on board to shoot with.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:29:13am
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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:34:17am

re: #361 Dr Lizardo

Thanks, looks like I didn’t scroll down enough.

(So it’s looking like in the Diamond Princess cohort, “serious” is still about 4% and deaths at half a percent — in a cohort that skews old. Curiouser and curiouser.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:36:34am

re: #364 Ace-o-aces

Trump cares more about watching the debate and then watching the FNC hyenas go LOL SOCIALISM to actually pay attention to what’s going on. He’s no President. We need a President.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:36:42am

re: #372 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Thanks, looks like I didn’t scroll down enough.

(So it’s looking like in the Diamond Princess cohort, “serious” is still about 4% and deaths at half a percent — in a cohort that skews old. Curiouser and curiouser.)

How much money is being spent to keep those people alive?

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:37:42am

Markets appear to be in a bullish mood - DJIA up about 400 points so far (1.4%).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:39:00am

re: #347 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

list the issues a Bloomberg presidency will be better for than another 4 years of Trump: tax distribution, health care, guns, climate change, Supreme Court nominees, border walls, LGBTQ rights (despite his personal expression of opinion, yes i do believe his policy responses will be so much better).

If the 2020 race comes down to two rich old white guys from New York, that is going to depress voter turnout and that will most likely favor the GOP in the key states they have to win.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:39:53am

re: #354 sagehen

Also, environmental protection, habitat preservation, national parks.
college affordability

and just as a general, across-the-board rule: appreciation for expertise and willingness to do his homework. He will hire competent department heads.

if i had the luxury of this being an ideological and restructural election, i would prefer warren. she’d be a better president/administrator - ie presider, than sanders. mayor pete has shown great promise and has done very well. he isnt ready yet.

i don’t feel i/we have that luxury - the ‘what if’ / ‘if only’ candidate.

so (imo) biden, bloomberg.

i think the ‘small d’ that lefty said above is true.
re: #184 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Joe imo is the most small letter d-democratic running imo…

biden could be a great stabilizer. he’s been smoldering up to now. If he doesn’t catch fire after SC, then I don’t think he can get it done (get the nom and decisively trounce trump). Another Democratic statesman with years of experience, 8 as VP, that not enough want as president. wow.

Leaving bloomberg.
calm, experienced, willing to learn/listen/adapt.
can easily run a bureaucracy.
and hopefully do a fair enough job at foreign policy if he surrounds himself with smart people.

logistics, campaign finance, etc are not issues for him so his only focus is on making the numbers

every one of them has flaws and history. i dont care about any of it. or purity. i more or less accept them all at face value. any of them is way over trump’s head.

at the moment i think bloomberg can get it done and then do the job.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:39:54am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If the 2020 race comes down to two rich old white guys from New York, that is going to depress voter turnout and that will most likely favor the GOP in the key states they have to win.

Which rich old white guy from New York?

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:40:28am
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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:40:38am
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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:40:56am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If the 2020 race comes down to two rich old white guys from New York, that is going to depress voter turnout and that will most likely favor the GOP in the key states they have to win.

Except, if it comes down to a billionaire and a not-a-billionaire, the billionaire is going to spend like no one has ever seen. I hate to say it, but his commercials have been really, really well done. I think he would be willing to pay for the entire Democratic party.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:41:15am

re: #374 Belafon

How much money is being spent to keep those people alive?

No idea, but but there is no treatment for coronavirus infection, so I can’t imagine what special treatment would be available. I’m still struck by how few are rated “serious” compared to the Chinese numbers.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:41:58am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:41:58am

re: #381 Belafon

Except, if it comes down to a billionaire and a not-a-billionaire, the billionaire is going to spend like no one has ever seen. I hate to say it, but his commercials have been really, really well done. I think he would be willing to pay for the entire Democratic party.

I mean I don’t want him in charge of the Presidency but he is a savvy media guy. That’s why he got successful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:42:18am

re: #378 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Which rich old white guy from New York?

Trump is still rich by most standards, I intentionally did not say “millionaires”

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:42:36am

re: #382 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

No idea, but but there is no treatment for coronavirus infection, so I can’t imagine what special treatment would be available. I’m still struck by how few are rated “serious” compared to the Chinese numbers.

There’s not treatment, but it does seem to have a bigger effect on people with respiratory problems, and it seems that places with facilities to mitigate those effects are seeing fewer deaths.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:42:59am
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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:43:04am
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lizardofid  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:43:04am

re: #375 lawhawk

Markets appear to be in a bullish mood - DJIA up about 400 points so far (1.4%).

Bottom fishing?

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:43:38am

re: #362 lizardofid

My favorite Wilford Brimley character was in Absence of Malice. When I close my eyes I could swear it’s my (late) older brother talking.

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one of my favorite movies and favorite scenes of all time
i can quote the entire 15 minutes verbatim starting with

“Elving, go yourself down the hall there and collect our friend”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:43:42am

re: #381 Belafon

Except, if it comes down to a billionaire and a not-a-billionaire, the billionaire is going to spend like no one has ever seen. I hate to say it, but his commercials have been really, really well done. I think he would be willing to pay for the entire Democratic party.

Billionaire can pay all he wants but Trump enjoys free publicity from the media, who adore him and are willing to do most anything to keep his political/crime/scandal reality-TV show on air 24/7 for four more years…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:43:47am

re: #385 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is still rich by most standards, I intentionally did not say “millionaires”

I’m being a smartass and mocking Bernie. He too is a millionaire from New York.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:44:51am

re: #382 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

No treatment for the infection itself, but wouldn’t major support would prevent death long enough to give the victim time for their body to fight off the infection?

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:45:23am

re: #375 lawhawk

“…Shares of Moderna Inc. MRNA, +21.16% soared 28% in trading on Tuesday as the biotechnology company took the lead in efforts to develop a vaccine for COVID-19, the novel coronavirus that has sickened more than 80,000 people and killed 2,600 people worldwide. “
marketwatch.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:45:31am

re: #392 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m being a smartass and mocking Bernie. He too is a millionaire from New York.

And Biden is an old white millionaire from Pennsylvania

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:46:18am

re: #395 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And Biden is an old white millionaire from Pennsylvania

You said old rich guys from New York. God dude take a joke sometimes.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:51:33am

re: #389 lizardofid

Bottom fishing?

After dropping 1,800 points, I’m sure investors perceive some value.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:51:49am

re: #377 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

if i had the luxury of this being an ideological and restructural election, i would prefer warren. she’d be a better president/administrator - ie presider, than sanders. mayor pete has shown great promise and has done very well. he isnt ready yet.

i don’t feel i/we have that luxury - the ‘what if’ / ‘if only’ candidate.

so (imo) biden, bloomberg.

i think the ‘small d’ that lefty said above is true.

biden could be a great stabilizer. he’s been smoldering up to now. If he doesn’t catch fire after SC, then I don’t think he can get it done (get the nom and decisively trounce trump). Another Democratic statesman with years of experience, 8 as VP, that not enough want as president. wow.

Leaving bloomberg.
calm, experienced, willing to learn/listen/adapt.
can easily run a bureaucracy.
and hopefully do a fair enough job at foreign policy if he surrounds himself with smart people.

logistics, campaign finance, etc are not issues for him so his only focus is on making the numbers

every one of them has flaws and history. i dont care about any of it. or purity. i more or less accept them all at face value. any of them is way over trump’s head.

at the moment i think bloomberg can get it done and then do the job.

I do trust Bloomberg more than most since I don’t think he’s a fanatic and I think we need a President and not an ideologue. A lot will depend on South Carolina and I’m feeling good about SC for Joe. What it means for Big Tuesday, I don’t know yet. I do know this. I think Joe’s more likable than Bloomberg is and better at the retail politics stuff that could give him the edge. However, I do think Bloomberg is savvy at ads and I wouldn’t mind that against Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:54:05am

re: #392 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m being a smartass and mocking Bernie. He too is a millionaire from New York.

Yes, I found it rather hypocritical of him to take digs at Bloomberg’s wealth…

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:54:32am

re: #331 Belafon

I suspect today won’t be like the last two. Eventually you run out of panic.

Looks like a dead cat bounce. I am moving my retirement out of stocks completely by the end of the day. My friend the infectious disease doctor thinks Covid19 cannot be contained because patients are asymptomatic, spreading disease, until they realize that they are sick. Even a competent administration would have difficulty containing it in the US once it spreads in Europe, which it appears is happening now. I see no upside, and way too much downside.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:56:14am

re: #258 goddamnedfrank

Welcome to Stupidtown, where everything is stupid

Biden ought to say “You know the old saying: If you can’t take their money and vote against them, you don’t deserve to be in politics.”

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:58:03am

re: #401 Belafon

This is really dumb. If Bloomberg decides to spend his money on a GOTV effort, are those votes invalidated because of billionaire cooties?

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:58:47am

re: #401 Belafon

Campaign finance laws prohibit that kind of coordination.

Bloomberg can support Democrats by attacking Trump with boosts to state and local candidates and attacking Trumpists across the nation.

But he can’t coordinate messaging and spending with the campaign the way that tweet seems to indicate.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 7:59:23am

re: #393 Sufficient unto the day…

No treatment for the infection itself, but wouldn’t major support would prevent death long enough to give the victim time for their body to fight off the infection?

What I’m saying is that in a group that skews old, where pretty much every case is likely being captured, “serious” cases are lower than would be expected. And non-serious cases wouldn’t be getting major support, or they’d be considered serious.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:01:11am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If the 2020 race comes down to two rich old white guys from New York, that is going to depress voter turnout and that will most likely favor the GOP in the key states they have to win.

if all other things were equal and it was just ‘two rich old white guys from New York” this might be right.

for anyone with two brain cells, the political choice between trump and biden, sanders, bloomberg (the old white men) is not based on those three things.

and if the depress voter turnout that favors the GOP is also true, then

anyone who ends up evaluating the choice as two old white guys, and not that one is a full on sociopath and the other a somewhat flawed, above average organizer and administrator, knowing full well what might happen, then to be brutal, deserves the world they get:

- start with privatized Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid gone, as one example.

we’re in primary season
vote who you think can get it done
- trounce trump with a huge margin of victory
- be the president and fix some stuff given what happens to the senate.

in the general
vote blue, no matter who
even if it’s not your primary choice
even if it’s the rich old white guy from new york who’s light years better than the current moron

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:03:11am

re: #405 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

if all other things were equal and it was just ‘two rich old white guys from New York” this might be right.

anybody would be better than Trump, even another old rich white guy. I just think that is not what America needs.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:05:30am

re: #398 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I do trust Bloomberg more than most since I don’t think he’s a fanatic and I think we need a President and not an ideologue. A lot will depend on South Carolina and I’m feeling good about SC for Joe. What it means for Big Tuesday, I don’t know yet. I do know this. I think Joe’s more likable than Bloomberg is and better at the retail politics stuff that could give him the edge. However, I do think Bloomberg is savvy at ads and I wouldn’t mind that against Trump.

think back to just over a year ago
everyone’s a great candidate with hope and promise and ‘yeah, i can see her/him as president’ till they actually begin campaigning

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:05:47am

What America needs is a President. End of sentence.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:06:30am

re: #402 jaunte

This is really dumb. If Bloomberg decides to spend his money on a GOTV effort, are those votes invalidated because of billionaire cooties?

not if you had your cooties shot

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:08:02am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:08:34am

re: #407 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

think back to just over a year ago
everyone’s a great candidate with hope and promise and ‘yeah, i can see her/him as president’ till they actually begin campaigning

With Biden who fyi wasn’t my first or even third choie, I can actually see that and I think his campaigning has gotten better. I dunno. I’m biased because I have a lot of empathy for my fellow stutterer and knowing that the words come from the mouth before the brain processes the words. That said, I don’t think Bloomberg is awful. I just don’t think he’s the best right fit for this party. That said, he has a legitimate record that can be praised and criticized on different issues. I think he’s a much better candidate than his successor and predecessor as NYC’s mayor was.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:12:00am

re: #406 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

anybody would be better than Trump, even another old rich white guy. I just think that is not what America needs.

i dont disagree

i guess my focus is:
get him out
fix some stuff (hell just getting him out will solve a lot of problems)
with a good 4 years righting the ship, if it was one of the old rich white guys, then elect a younger, ‘better’ candidate

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:12:37am

re: #408 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

What America needs is a competent President. End of sentence.

Minor revision. ;)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:14:24am

re: #413 Eclectic Cyborg

Minor revision. ;)

Well that really went without saying. What I’m getting at is this. There is nothing presidential about Donald Trump except in name only.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:15:20am

re: #413 Eclectic Cyborg

What America needs is a competent President. End of sentence.
Minor revision. ;)

now youre just being all pie in the sky

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retired cynic  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:17:49am

I could still say I’m at where I was at the beginning. Except for Tulsi or Marianne, any of them, even the worst, would be better than what we have. (My choice was Kamala, but that didn’t work out.)

It does seem like no sooner than I decide I like one better than the others, that they lose support and drop out.

But it is still true that any of our candidates are better than what we have, and I will support them.

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jeffreyw  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:18:18am

re: #413 Eclectic Cyborg

Minor revision. ;)

Be careful what you wish for. Think about a competent Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:19:42am

re: #417 jeffreyw

Be careful what you wish for. Think about a competent Trump.

The catch I think is a competent Trump type would never capture the right wing masses full affection the way Trump has. But yes, we’ve had some saving grace that Trump is incompetent.

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:26:01am

Leave it to Jim Hoft to claim that the CDC statement that ran counter to Trump’s take that everything is under control is entirely due to fact that the CDC head is a relative to Rod Rosenstein.

Ummm… GOPers?! Rosenstein is a Republican. Previously appointed by Trump as DAG before Rosenstein tried holding Trumpworld accountable for the criminal conduct of everyone associated with his campaign.

These fuckers eat their own and don’t care about facts. Or logic.

UPDATE:
The CDC isn’t run by Rosenstein’s sister. She’s head of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control. She’s an expert on this kind of thing. All these other know nothings are conspiracy nuts pushing bulkshit to protect cult of Trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:28:45am

re: #419 lawhawk

Leave it to Jim Hoft to claim that the CDC statement that ran counter to Trump’s take that everything is under control is entirely due to fact that the CDC head is a relative to Rod Rosenstein.

Ummm… GOPers?! Rosenstein is a Republican. Previously appointed by Trump as DAG before Rosenstein tried holding Trumpworld accountable for the criminal conduct of everyone associated with his campaign.

These fuckers eat their own and don’t care about facts. Or logic.

SMOTI would fit right in with the apologists who worked at TASS in the USSR.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:30:29am

re: #419 lawhawk

Leave it to Jim Hoft to claim that the CDC statement that ran counter to Trump’s take that everything is under control is entirely due to fact that the CDC head is a relative to Rod Rosenstein.

Ummm… GOPers?! Rosenstein is a Republican. Previously appointed by Trump as DAG before Rosenstein tried holding Trumpworld accountable for the criminal conduct of everyone associated with his campaign.

These fuckers eat their own and don’t care about facts. Or logic.

So many of the so called Never Trumpers that they rage against are people they appointed themselves. Trump thinks the entire executive branch should be one giant MAGA red hat.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:36:00am

re: #420 Joe Bacon 🌹

SMOTI would fit right in with the apologists who worked at TASS in the USSR.

SMOTI is one of the guys in the first episode of Chernobyl who is proud of the party response while lethal fallout is raining down outside.

423
A Cranky One  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:37:04am

424
Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:37:51am

re: #422 Scottish Dragon

SMOTI is one of the guys in the first episode of Chernobyl who is proud of the party response while lethal fallout is raining down outside.

Yes. When the pandemic hits full blast SMOTI will pin the blame on Obama.

425
lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:39:12am
426
John Hughes  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:39:53am

re: #339 Scottish Dragon

Syrian rebel ACV-15 (with a driver who is insane or higher than a kite) chasing and ramming a Syrian army T-72 MBT…and ramming it. Repeatedly.

Possible thinking on the part of the ACV-15 driver — if he stays glued to the T72 his gunner can hammer it with the 25mm cannon and maybe break something, if he gets too far from the T72 then the T72 gunner is going to hit him with the 125mm main gun and it’s game over.

Possible thinking from the commander of the T72 — what is this crazy fuck doing, is he filled with HE?

427
jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:41:11am

Group asks Congress to investigate how Devin Nunes is paying for his lawsuits

The complaint says Nunes appears to be in “blatant violation of House rules,” because he would have trouble paying for all these lawsuits solely from his congressional salary of $174,000 per year.

The group argues he’d only be able to pay if he received legal services for free, at a discounted rate, or based on a contingency fee, meaning the lawyer would get compensated from Nunes’ winnings if he prevails in his lawsuits.

In all of those cases, the complaint says, Nunes must disclose the legal help he is receiving by filing a legal expense fund, otherwise it would represent an illegal gift given to Nunes under congressional ethics rules.

Nunes has not filed a legal expense fund with the Office of Congressional Ethics.

fresnobee.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:43:41am

re: #425 lawhawk

Remember the religious right smearing the circuit court judge in the same sex marriage case? He was a Reagan appointee. Even as recently as eleven years ago, we had HW’s Souter on SCOTUS and Ford’s Stevens. The Trumpers want to act like if someone wasn’t appointed by Trump and isn’t on record thinking Trump is the best ever, that means that person is suspect and shouldn’t be in government. That’s dangerous. And that’s precisely why Trump needs to go. Yes, Trump’s policies that favor the very wealthy at the expense of the rest of us are awful but his attacks on democracy itself are an imminent threat.

429
jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:48:11am
430
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:49:27am

re: #428 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The Trumpers want to act like if someone wasn’t appointed by Trump and isn’t on record thinking Trump is the best ever, that means that person is suspect and shouldn’t be in government.

And out of gratitude for being appointed, that person should never say or do anything against Trump or even anything that might indirectly make Trump look bad, or fail to alter reality to match Trump’s claims and statements, like altering a weather map to include Alabama…

431
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:50:55am

re: #430 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And out of gratitude for being appointed, that person should never say or do anything against Trump or even anything that might indirectly look bad, or fail to alter reality to match Trump’s claims and statements, like altering a weather map to include Alabama…

I’ve heard too many thank you sir stories for a lifetime. He loves painting himself as a strong man and other men as weak.

432
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:52:25am

re: #416 retired cynic

I could still say I’m at where I was at the beginning. Except for Tulsi or Marianne, any of them, even the worst, would be better than what we have. (My choice was Kamala, but that didn’t work out.)

It does seem like no sooner than I decide I like one better than the others, that they lose support and drop out.

But it is still true that any of our candidates are better than what we have, and I will support them.

+1

433
Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 8:54:09am

re: #426 John Hughes

Possible thinking on the part of the ACV-15 driver — if he stays glued to the T72 his gunner can hammer it with the 25mm cannon and maybe break something, if he gets too far from the T72 then the T72 gunner is going to hit him with the 125mm main gun and it’s game over.

Possible thinking from the commander of the T72 — what is this crazy fuck doing, is he filled with HE?

I kept looking for him to engage with the 25mm and I saw nothing. He sure had opportunity when he was like 3 meters off the ass end of the T-72. Nope!

RAMMING SPEED

All kinds of people laughing and saying World of Tanks sure improved etc…

Meanwhile, the T-72 passes on a clear shot, dumps fuel in the exhaust manifold to lay down smoke and get away from a freaking aluminum armored baby carriage 3 METERS AWAY and hilarity ensues.

434
retired cynic  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:01:49am

Charlie Pierce on last night’s debate: I’ve seen better organized soccer riots.

435
John Hughes  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:02:34am

re: #433 Scottish Dragon

Panic and stupidity all round?

436
Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:04:39am
437
retired cynic  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:04:53am

438
Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:05:27am

re: #435 John Hughes

Panic and stupidity all round?

Pretty much my guess.

439
Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:05:58am

Because apparently you’re not allowed to drag a candidate’s surrogates for something they did in the past and have never repented.

440
plansbandc  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:06:23am

It’s a mystery…

441
Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:09:27am

re: #439 Chrysicat

Because apparently you’re not allowed to drag a candidate’s surrogates for something they did in the past and have never repented.

Texas has the same thing, but we have a lot more contests to look at, and you can only vote in runoffs in the same party you voted for in the primary.

442
Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:09:46am

re: #339 Scottish Dragon

Syrian rebel ACV-15 (with a driver who is insane or higher than a kite) chasing and ramming a Syrian army T-72 MBT…and ramming it. Repeatedly.

Set to Yakkity Sax.

You know you want this.

443
Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:10:38am

Texas doesn’t have party registration, which you would have to have to have a closed primary. And that will be the other part of closing primaries: The state will have to support registering by party.

444
Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:14:42am

re: #343 Scottish Dragon

This is what Trump is trying to avoid talking about. COVID-19 has between a 2%-5% lethality which is 1917 pandemic stuff. Schools closed, stores closed, people have to stay home indoors for 2 weeks etc.

[Embedded content]

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:17:29am

re: #439 Chrysicat

[Embedded content]

Because apparently you’re not allowed to drag a candidate’s surrogates for something they did in the past and have never repented.

Saturday’s Dem primary is presidential only. The statewide primaries are June 9.

446
Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:18:33am

re: #444 Chrysicat

I cannot do my job from home.

447
Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:20:07am

re: #445 BeachDem

Saturday’s Dem primary is presidential only. The statewide primaries are June 9.

Oh, spectacular. So it’s literally even worse than I was suggesting it could be.

Are we already in Hell? Is “dying” the outward sign of being released to Heaven or maybe reborn on the real Earth?

448
Hecuba's daughter  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:20:48am

re: #382 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

No idea, but but there is no treatment for coronavirus infection, so I can’t imagine what special treatment would be available. I’m still struck by how few are rated “serious” compared to the Chinese numbers.

I have been thinking all along that Diamond Princess might provide the best way to estimate the true mortality rate; it’s the only place where the number of cases might be accurately determined and therefore total deaths/total cases may produce a good number. Every other place (and I’m especially looking at you Iran) has no way to capture the true incidence of the disease since most infections are mild and may never be reported.

449
Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:20:52am

And now, a video from my adopted hometown:

A DAY IN THE COMMUNIST UTOPIA | OSTRAVA PORUBA

The city district of Poruba, the subject of the short documentary, was intended to be the new city center - the original city center was slated to be torn down and given over to mining and steel manufacturing.

And yes, Kurnik šopa is indeed the coolest little pub in Ostrava.

450
Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:24:41am

re: #442 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

[Embedded content]

This was my response to him.

He also suggested a technical mishap with the gun breech or autoloader might have happened, which would mean the tank would have to withdraw.

451
Teukka  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:26:46am

*blinks*

452
Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:28:13am

re: #444 Chrysicat

[Embedded content]

We are not remotely ready for this nightmare. 2% lethality is millions of dead people here at home and hundreds of millions seriously ill. No medication coming in, no medication being made, no food being delivered, and no gasoline being delivered.

This would be the worst natural disaster in our history and one of the worst in human history if this holds true.

453
#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:33:05am

re: #451 Teukka

*blinks*

[Embedded content]

454
Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:35:25am
455
Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:38:20am

re: #451 Teukka

*blinks*

What’s in the picture?

456
Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:42:34am

re: #455 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

“Cerebral Liberation Front”: literally an invitation to an anti-science meeting at one of the local centers for the community.

457
Teukka  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:43:25am

re: #455 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

RVA Cerebral Liberation Front
Richmond, VA
18 members - Public group

What we’re about
Are you tired of being bombarded by “Science” and the opinions of “Experts” with lots of letters after their names? We certainly are, and we are working to help victims of the insidious forces that collude to exclude them from accurate and empowering information. We fervently believe that an open exchange of ideas and FACTS will foster a stronger and healthier community and may, in time, begin to form a new foundation for a brave and free new world. If you are interested in all, some or one of the pressing and pertinent issues we discuss, please join us!

Upcoming events (5+)
WED, FEB 26, 7:00 PM
Sovereign Citizen, Flat Earth, Chem-Trails and Intelligent Design at
Rosie Connolly’s Pub Restaurant

458
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:44:15am

re: #455 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

a message from the RVA Cerebral Liberation Front

offering to free us from the tyranny of elitist “experts” with a string of letters behind their names (and university degrees behind their fields of specialty) and open up “empowering” information to the broader community.

459
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:45:16am

re: #457 Teukka

Flat-Earth sovereign citizens discussing chemtrails.

sounds like a truly empowering evening

460
Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:46:58am

re: #457 Teukka

“Are you tired of being told that gravity is a theory? Meet us at Huntington Cliff and we’ll prove all the ‘experts’ wrong.”

461
Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:48:43am

re: #460 Belafon

“Are you tired of being told that gravity is a theory? Meet us at Huntington Cliff and we’ll prove all the ‘experts’ wrong.”

Maybe that’s the theory Mad Mike should have been trying to disprove a week ago rather than round earth.

//

462
Semper Fi  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:48:49am

I’m happy to hear the Boston Globe now supports Elizabeth Warren. Apparently it was a Politico report.

463
Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:48:54am

re: #459 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Flat-Earth sovereign citizens discussing chemtrails.

sounds like a truly empowering evening

464
BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:50:19am

Hope this holds

465
Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:50:40am

re: #452 Scottish Dragon

We are not remotely ready for this nightmare. 2% lethality is millions of dead people here at home and hundreds of millions seriously ill. No medication coming in, no medication being made, no food being delivered, and no gasoline being delivered.

This would be the worst natural disaster in our history and one of the worst in human history if this holds true.

Yes, particularly since it seems to have an infection rate as near to 100 percent as to be a rounding error. And hangs around like nothing since smallpox.

466
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:52:09am

re: #464 BeachDem

Hope this holds

[Embedded content]

And this was pre-Clyburn endorsement too. I dunno guys. Rumors of Joe’s demise may have been greatly exaggerated.

467
Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:52:32am

re: #463 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

Being pedantic, but unfortunately, that panel didn’t hold up too well.

Because we all know that it’s now considered overrated-by-its-time and exploitative of First Nations, not informative and uplifting of them.

468
Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:53:39am

re: #465 Chrysicat

Yes, particularly since it seems to have an infection rate as near to 100 percent as to be a rounding error. And hangs around like nothing since smallpox.

The infection rate I saw predicted for the US was in excess of 80%.

469
Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:54:21am

re: #467 Chrysicat

Being pedantic, but unfortunately, that panel didn’t hold up too well.

Because we all know that it’s now considered overrated-by-its-time and exploitative of First Nations, not informative and uplifting of them.

Which are neither of the things discussed in the panel. The panel is doing a pretty good job of portraying what white people would complain about.

470
Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:55:03am

If I get sick I’m going to a Trump Rally.

471
Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:55:19am

re: #466 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And this was pre-Clyburn endorsement too. I dunno guys. Rumors of Joe’s demise may have been greatly exaggerated.

I’d be a lot happier to nominate him if Beau were the surviving son rather than Hunter. That “I’m running for Senate” speech makes me worry that he’s only slightly more aware of the present than Emperor Palpatang is and I think that Beau could have served as an anchor to keep him focused on his advisors.

But I’ll certainly consider him less likely to be guaranteed to lose the white house in ‘24 than I do Bernie.

472
Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:56:06am

re: #467 Chrysicat

Being pedantic, but unfortunately, that panel didn’t hold up too well.

Because we all know that it’s now considered overrated-by-its-time and exploitative of First Nations, not informative and uplifting of them.

It was still one of the first movies to take Native Americans seriously as people with their own story and their own POV that does not depend on being an antagonist to a white American narrative.

First steps never get it all right, but they are necessary.

473
BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:56:49am

re: #466 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And this was pre-Clyburn endorsement too. I dunno guys. Rumors of Joe’s demise may have been greatly exaggerated.

Also, on the left in that picture endorsing Biden is Joe Riley, former Charleston mayor (10 terms) and a really popular/influential SC Dem.

474
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:58:34am

re: #471 Chrysicat

I’d be a lot happier to nominate him if Beau were the surviving son rather than Hunter. That “I’m running for Senate” speech makes me worry that he’s only slightly more aware of the present than Emperor Palpatang is and I think that Beau could have served as an anchor to keep him focused on his advisors.

But I’ll certainly consider him less likely to be guaranteed to lose the white house in ‘24 than I do Bernie.

The running for Senate thing from what I have read was selectively edited to make it seem like he didn’t know what office he was running for and he instead was actually telling a story about his early runs for the Senate. I dunno. I just think so much of what Biden has actually been saying and doing has been twisted (not saying by you or anyone here) by people who have an agenda.

475
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 9:59:08am

re: #473 BeachDem

Also, on the left in that picture endorsing Biden is Joe Riley, former Charleston mayor (10 terms) and a really popular/influential SC Dem.

Thanks for pointing them out. Seems the SC Democratic machine is behind him.

476
Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:01:24am

re: #475 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Thanks for pointing them out. Seems the SC Democratic machine is behind him.

You mean “the establishment.” //

477
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:01:49am

re: #470 Dave In Austin

If I get sick I’m going to a Trump Rally.

“You mean by some biological approach?”
War of the Worlds, 1953

478
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:06:36am

re: #476 Belafon

You mean “the establishment.” //

Yeah people who know their state inside and out.

479
plansbandc  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:06:49am

re: #463 Scottish Dragon

I hated it, so I’m one of the 3. :D :D

Read a review, maybe from The Times, that called it “Plays With Camera”.
Have called it that to this day.

480
retired cynic  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:28:53am

re: #449 Dr Lizardo

And now, a video from my adopted hometown:

[Embedded content]

Video

The city district of Poruba, the subject of the short documentary, was intended to be the new city center - the original city center was slated to be torn down and given over to mining and steel manufacturing.

And yes, Kurnik šopa is indeed the coolest little pub in Ostrava.

I like the horse on the shield! What is the background of that, do you know?

481
retired cynic  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:32:25am

re: #464 BeachDem

Hope this holds

[Embedded content]

Me, too, but I hate to see Elizabeth that bottomed out.

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uriel  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:08:10am

re: #275 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Unfortunately, far too many people view it a and endlessly recursive moral litmus test, where being wealthy means you’re a better better than your lessors, because morally upright people are always successful, which means successful people are the the good people, which means…


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