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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by Andrew Lindsey Attorney at Law:

Fun — NSFW! Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; Chez Pazienza Day; Coronavirus; The stock market is collapsing; Despite cable news, Bernie can win in November; Bernie and socialism; Salon Comment of the Day; Trump fired the pandemic response team; Trump trying to undermine the Supreme Court; The government purge continues; Russia trying to make us tear apart democracy; Trump is losing among Catholics; With music by Coral Gables and Luna Blu; and more!

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Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:06:40am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:09:09am

I already have RWNJ friends trying to convince me the Coronavirus is some kind “Liberal/Jew/Illuminati” plot to screw Trump out of the election this year.

This level of stupidity is starting to get really dangerous.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:13:45am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

I already have RWNJ friends trying to convince me the Coronavirus is some kind “Liberal/Jew/Illuminati” plot to screw Trump out of the election this year.

This level of stupidity is starting to get really dangerous.

Conspiracy theory thoughts are growing more and more prevalent in our society. It scares the hell out of me.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:14:51am

Fuck off, Trumpsters

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:15:36am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:16:24am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

I already have RWNJ friends trying to convince me the Coronavirus is some kind “Liberal/Jew/Illuminati” plot to screw Trump out of the election this year.

This level of stupidity is starting to get really dangerous.

It’s going to get people killed.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:16:55am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

I already have RWNJ friends trying to convince me the Coronavirus is some kind “Liberal/Jew/Illuminati” plot to screw Trump out of the election this year.

This level of stupidity is starting to get really dangerous.

You should send them this in response:

The Simpsons: Stonecutters Song “We Do”

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unproven innocence  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:19:31am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

I already have RWNJ friends trying to convince me the Coronavirus is some kind “Liberal/Jew/Illuminati” plot to screw Trump out of the election this year.

This level of stupidity is starting to get really dangerous.

We do not have nearly that long before the shit hits the fan, considering
a) current number of reported cases
b) doubling time of about 5 days (by current estimates)
c) world population

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KGxvi  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:19:54am

re: #3 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Conspiracy theory thoughts are growing more and more prevalent in our society. It scares the hell out of me.

I wonder if there’s correlation/causation between the rise of populism and conspiracy theories. Distrust of “elites” or “experts” combined with “common sense” seems like a common thread between the two.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:22:21am

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Fuck off, Trumpsters

In other words, New York can withhold tax money from the government for failure to cooperate, right?!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:25:49am

re: #8 unproven innocence

We do not have nearly that long before the shit hits the fan, considering
a) curent number of reported cases
b) doubling time of about 5 days (by current estimates)
c) world population

Yep. And what will Trump be most pissed about? The virus knocking his campaign out of the headlines.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:27:28am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

I already have RWNJ friends trying to convince me the Coronavirus is some kind “Liberal/Jew/Illuminati” plot to screw Trump out of the election this year.

This level of stupidity is starting to get really dangerous.

“Starting” to get dangerous?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:27:34am

re: #9 KGxvi

I wonder if there’s correlation/causation between the rise of populism and conspiracy theories. Distrust of “elites” or “experts” combined with “common sense” seems like a common thread between the two.

I think so.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:27:52am

re: #9 KGxvi

I wonder if there’s correlation/causation between the rise of populism and conspiracy theories. Distrust of “elites” or “experts” combined with “common sense” seems like a common thread between the two.

American cultural historian Michael Butters noted that conspiracy theories are reflective of deeper societal insecurities. He also noted,

If people assume our politicians are all in cahoots and that it makes no difference whatsoever who they vote for because politicians are all puppets of a conspiracy anyway, they will either turn their backs on politics and refuse to participate at all — or they will vote for parties that present themselves as alternatives to the established parties. In recent years, in the West and beyond, that would have been for the most part right-wing populist parties. In the end, they don’t really contribute to solving the problems, either.

Conspiracy theories often have a strong conservative impetus in the sense that they are should preserve a threatened order or return an order abolished by the alleged conspirators. Populism along the lines of “Make America Great Again” is similar. Conspiracy theorists as well as populists are driven by a nostalgia for the past.

dw.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:28:07am

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Fuck off, Trumpsters

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States rights! /

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:29:04am

re: #8 unproven innocence

We do not have nearly that long before the shit hits the fan, considering
a) curent number of reported cases
b) doubling time of about 5 days (by current estimates)
c) world population

Grandma Bacon told me about the 1918 epidemic in DC when corpses were stacked in public buildings. Funeral homes were working 24 hours to bury corpses and then they were ordered to cremate remains. Grandma said if you didn’t live through it you wouldn’t comprehend how scary it was. She had gotten the flu the previous year and she thought that’s why she didn’t get sick in 1918. But she saw coworkers come into the Navy department, start coughing around 10 AM and by 1 PM they collapsed and were pronounced dead within an hour…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:29:43am

re: #14 Dr Lizardo

American cultural historian Michael Butters noted that conspiracy theories are reflective of deeper societal insecurities. He also noted,

dw.com

I will note for the record that both the Communists and Nazis hated the Weimar Republic with a passion.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:30:03am

Ok so how to prepare for this outbreak as individuals? My hubby has heart disease, diabetes and other health issues. This shit terrifies me. I get needing to maybe stockpile food (for the dog too) , make sure you have meds and other things needed for day to day health, but what else?

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KGxvi  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:30:12am

re: #14 Dr Lizardo

American cultural historian Michael Butters noted that conspiracy theories are reflective of deeper societal insecurities. He also noted,

dw.com

That doesn’t surprise me. I don’t trust any brand of populism, any “ideology” built on blaming some group rather than dealing with the actual issues is playing with fire.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:30:58am

So the virus was not a “hoax” or “conspiracy” when it was ravaging the Far East and actually led to suggestions that the Chinese gov’t had engineered the damned thing only for it to get loose into the general population.

But then the economy gets wobbly after weeks of predictions that such would happen as the virus began eating into economic output out the countries we’re reliant upon for basic goods and resources…AND THESE FUCKERS NOW THINK IT’S ALL FAKE!

I want off this planet!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:31:10am

A lot of people thought Trump might draw us into a war and I’ll agree, I was there with em. But the real concern is how Trump handles a crisis of any kind. This is a man who openly scoffs at the knowledge of experts and had a budget unprepared to deal with this. He just wants to scapegoat immigrants and then act like the economy’s great and coast to re-election.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:32:07am

re: #20 Targetpractice

So the virus was not a “hoax” or “conspiracy” when it was ravaging the Far East and actually led to suggestions that the Chinese gov’t had engineered the damned thing only for it to get loose into the general population.

But then the economy gets wobbly after weeks of predictions that such would happen as the virus began eating into economic output out the countries we’re reliant upon for basic goods and resources…AND THESE FUCKERS NOW THINK IT’S ALL FAKE!

I want off this planet!

Populism nationalism is stupid. Reason #1913. I hope we don’t see #1914.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:32:45am

Let’s talk about Trump saying the quiet part aloud….

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Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:33:40am
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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:33:52am

re: #18 A Mom Anon

Ok so how to prepare for this outbreak as individuals? My hubby has heart disease, diabetes and other health issues. This shit terrifies me. I get needing to maybe stockpile food (for the dog too) , make sure you have meds and other things needed for day to day health, but what else?

dailykos.com

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VegasGolfer  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:37:37am

re: #18 A Mom Anon

dailykos.com

Edit, what Belafon said. 🤣

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:38:04am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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He wants the CDC to act like it’s a damned zombie film, assuring the public that the matter is under control and the gov’t can be trusted to protect them while people are getting ripped to shred in the streets. And there’s nothing benevolent about his motives, whether you believe it’s A) to stop the market from tanking and hurting his reelection bid, B) because he hates being contradicted by his “staff,” C) because he wants to be seen as doing Chy-na couldn’t and get the virus under control or D) ALL OF THE FUCKING ABOVE!

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:38:28am

re: #26 VegasGolfer

dailykos.com

Great minds and all that.

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Skip Intro  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:38:34am

Trump is consulting with his experts from the CDC now.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:39:12am

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma Bacon told me about the 1918 epidemic in DC when corpses were stacked in public buildings. Funeral homes were working 24 hours to bury corpses and then they were ordered to cremate remains. Grandma said if you didn’t live through it you wouldn’t comprehend how scary it was. She had gotten the flu the previous year and she thought that’s why she didn’t get sick in 1918. But she saw coworkers come into the Navy department, start coughing around 10 AM and by 1 PM they collapsed and were pronounced dead within an hour…

Yeah.

Documented instances of people boarding a tram and being found dead in the seat when they failed to get off at their regular stop.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:39:28am

re: #29 Skip Intro

Trump is consulting with his experts from the CDC now.

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Centers for Disinformation and Confusion.

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:40:12am

Well, the markets are already sliding back into negative territory again. Guess all the news that Trump and the CDC are going to hold a presser and calm everyone’s nerves is having the expected reaction.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:40:52am

And there goes the Dow, back into the red. I give his HHS Sec 48 hours until he shit-cans her in favor of an “Acting” secretary who will feed the press a lot of BS about how the virus is totally under control and America remains mighty.

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:43:10am
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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:43:53am

I wish I could screenshot the CNBC homepage right now: cnbc.com. The concerning one is that Brazil has its first coronavirus case, and the subtitle is accurate: Travel Restrictions Irrelevant in pandemic. The third one is funny: Gundlach (who?) blames Bernie Sanders for the selloff.

The dow, at this moment, is down 145.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:44:33am

I’m seeing lots of people say that Joe Biden had a great night at the debate.

I don’t agree, but it isn’t the first time I can’t go along with the conventional take. I thought he looked scattered and confused much of the time, and was slurring a LOT of words.

It looks like we’re going to get an old white guy as the nominee, whichever way it goes. And I think that’s really unfortunate. (But of course I’ll support whoever it is.)

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:47:10am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

I’m seeing lots of people say that Joe Biden had a great night at the debate.

I don’t agree, but it isn’t the first time I can’t go along with the conventional take. I thought he looked scattered and confused much of the time, and was slurring a LOT of words.

It looks like we’re going to get an old white guy as the nominee, whichever way it goes. And I think that’s really unfortunate. (But of course I’ll support whoever it is.)

I want to see what Pete can do in 10 years. He has a bright career in front of him.

Oh, and Charlie Pierce can f*ck right off.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:47:46am

What I don’t really understand is - do people just not hear it when Biden slurs words and runs them together? I know he suffers from stuttering, but that’s not what this is. It’s disturbingly similar to the way Trump talks.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:48:06am

re: #19 KGxvi

That doesn’t surprise me. I don’t trust any brand of populism, any “ideology” built on blaming some group rather than dealing with the actual issues is playing with fire.

Yeah. And conspiracism was rampant in Weimar Germany. There was more to it than that, however. Romanticism, the Wandervögel, the revival of so-called “ancient Teutonic values”…..all of that were warning signs, pointing out the decline of rationality in early 20th century Germany.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:48:32am

The reality of it all is that Trump has spent the last 3 years ruthlessly shredding any sign of competency in the US Gov’t, ruthlessly selling the public bullshit and firing anyone who happened to speak the truth out where the news people could hear it. The end result is even if the CDC did manage to come up with a plan to control the spread of the virus within the mainland US, it wouldn’t matter because nobody is gonna believe them by this point.

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retired cynic  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:48:44am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

I think he is trying to talk too fast to fit in as much as possible in the debate framework. ?

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:49:36am

Now the market’s only down 30.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:49:54am
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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:50:25am

re: #43 Scottish Dragon

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“Feed me, Seymour!”

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:51:18am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

What I don’t really understand is - do people just not hear it when Biden slurs words and runs them together? I know he suffers from stuttering, but that’s not what this is. It’s disturbingly similar to the way Trump talks.

Since I am now more than 60% hearing loss, it’s super difficult for me to pick that out as I’m reading the on screen captioning.

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sagehen  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:51:20am

re: #18 A Mom Anon

Ok so how to prepare for this outbreak as individuals? My hubby has heart disease, diabetes and other health issues. This shit terrifies me. I get needing to maybe stockpile food (for the dog too) , make sure you have meds and other things needed for day to day health, but what else?

Soap. Hand sanitizer. Firewood.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:51:52am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. And what will Trump be most pissed about? The virus knocking his campaign out of the headlines.

He could care less that millions of people could die.

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:52:36am
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:53:14am

re: #29 Skip Intro

Trump is consulting with his experts from the CDC now.

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CDC = Cuddle Donald Constantly

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:53:39am

re: #43 Scottish Dragon

It’s a Triffid!

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:54:04am

re: #48 lawhawk

A goddamned rounding error on Trump’s boondoggle wall is going to hold up the pandemic prevention package? Fuck Trump. Fuck all the GOP that back this bulkshit.

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plansbandc  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:54:22am

re: #43 Scottish Dragon

I think it’s the same species as the one that shot Spock and made him feel all the feels.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:54:46am

re: #48 lawhawk

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Is he somehow missing the fact that if there is a pandemic, even the president can catch COVID-19?
(Why yes, yes he is.)

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:54:56am

re: #51 lawhawk

A goddamned rounding error on Trump’s boondoggle wall is going to hold up the pandemic prevention package? Fuck Trump. Fuck all the GOP that back this bulkshit.

The GOP is (again) making sure they don’t let a crisis go to waste in their never-ending war against the poor.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:55:39am

re: #51 lawhawk

A goddamned rounding error on Trump’s boondoggle wall is going to hold up the pandemic prevention package? Fuck Trump. Fuck all the GOP that back this bulkshit.

I hope karma bites those assholes with the virus and it bites them hard. Wonder what Moscow Mitch will do when GOP Senators drop dead…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:55:45am

re: #47 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He could care less that millions of people could die.

But if we look at the demographic of those who’d be most likely to suffer severe medical consequences, I’d see a good many Trump supporters.

Older people, quite often with pre-existing medical conditions.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:56:33am

re: #56 Dr Lizardo

But if we look at the demographic of those who’d be most likely to suffer severe medical consequences, I’d see a good many Trump supporters.

Older people, quite often with pre-existing medical conditions.

But Paula White will pray for them to be healed…and hopefully she keels over as well…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:57:21am

re: #57 Joe Bacon 🌹

But Paula White will pray for them to be healed…and hopefully she keels over as well…

LOL. At least she’d get to go meet Jesus right quick.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:57:35am

re: #52 plansbandc

I think it’s the same species as the one that shot Spock and made him feel all the feels.

Even in my youth I wondered about that episode. The colonists are “cured” of being happy and healthy, and are grateful because they hadn’t been accomplishing anything. Really? It didn’t sound all that awful to me.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:58:01am

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma Bacon told me about the 1918 epidemic in DC when corpses were stacked in public buildings. Funeral homes were working 24 hours to bury corpses and then they were ordered to cremate remains. Grandma said if you didn’t live through it you wouldn’t comprehend how scary it was. She had gotten the flu the previous year and she thought that’s why she didn’t get sick in 1918. But she saw coworkers come into the Navy department, start coughing around 10 AM and by 1 PM they collapsed and were pronounced dead within an hour…

Mr grandfather died in the Spanish Flu Pandemic. He was 29 years old, leaving behind a pregnant widow (my grandmother, who gave birth to my father 2 months later).

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plansbandc  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:58:09am

Great now the Original Series fight music is going through my brain. Enjoy!

Star Trek Season 2 Fight Music

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:58:14am

re: #48 lawhawk

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Trillions for corporations and billionaires; not one penny for the poor.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:59:01am

DOW back into the red. Down 133 now.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:59:02am

re: #18 A Mom Anon

Ok so how to prepare for this outbreak as individuals? My hubby has heart disease, diabetes and other health issues. This shit terrifies me. I get needing to maybe stockpile food (for the dog too) , make sure you have meds and other things needed for day to day health, but what else?

Make sure the food is of a sort that is shelf stable. Have another way to prepare it if gas or electricity becomes an issue. Have emergency water. Have your medications stockpiled if possible (pain meds are another issue I know)

As already noted…hand sanitizer.

Face masks are only useful if you are sick already and do not want to spread it. Face masks do NOT protect you from other people sneezing.

This could be a long haul, peeps. Schools could be closed for weeks or months. Italy already supposedly talking about keeping schools closed and going to online classes. Same for other public events. A lot of employment will be impacted or even become impossible, and food and gasoline may become next to unobtainable. We should expect the kind of dysfunction we saw with Hurricane Katrina but on a national and global scale.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 26, 2020 • 10:59:30am

re: #21 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Has he said “I know more about viral outbreaks than the doctors, believe me” yet?

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Semper Fi  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:01:33am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

What I don’t really understand is - do people just not hear it when Biden slurs words and runs them together? I know he suffers from stuttering, but that’s not what this is. It’s disturbingly similar to the way Trump talks.

I think Joe is normally a slow, low talker. Thinking processes can’t keep a fast pace. He talks like he doesn’t want to provide spaces for someone to interject.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:02:09am

re: #48 lawhawk

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This isn’t just incompetence.

This is malevolent.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:03:48am

re: #65 Jebediah, RBG

Has he said “I know more about viral outbreaks than the doctors, believe me” yet?

To which I’d reply, “Yeah, but we’re not talking about syphilis, this is something different.”

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Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:04:09am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:05:19am

re: #60 The Pie Overlord!

Mr grandfather died in the Spanish Flu Pandemic. He was 29 years old, leaving behind a pregnant widow (my grandmother, who gave birth to my father 2 months later).

The 1918 H1N1 was different in that it killed young and healthy people. Nobody had a defense against it. That is reportedly what is happening with COVID-19. It is novel and unlike any previous viral strain that had jumped to human transmission.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:05:33am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

…

It looks like we’re going to get an old white guy as the nominee, whichever way it goes. And I think that’s really unfortunate. (But of course I’ll support whoever it is.)

i know there is a sea of voices wanting something other than the old white guy.
and i dont disagree.

the way we get an old white guy is because he got the most votes

my question is why doesn’t that turn into results, because no one else caught on.

misogyny?
the only young white guy is gay?
is it because of the order of the primaries/caucuses? ia, vt, nv, sc?

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:06:21am

re: #61 plansbandc

Someone should dub that over the T-72 v. IFV video that’s making the rounds….

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:09:11am

re: #58 Dr Lizardo

LOL. At least she’d get to go meet Jesus right quick.

I don’t think that meeting will go the way she thinks it will.

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:10:25am

re: #44 Targetpractice

“Feed me, Seymour!”

On that note, why are the re-making Little Shop?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:10:41am

re: #70 Scottish Dragon

The 1918 H1N1 was different in that it killed young and healthy people. Nobody had a defense against it. That is reportedly what is happening with COVID-19. It is novel and unlike any previous viral strain that had jumped to human transmission.

Right and what happens when an unknowingly infected person goes to a large sporting event or a concert or a major tourist attraction?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:11:03am

I mentioned earlier this morning that the CDC hostage video press conference will be an absolute clusterfuck of biblical proportions. I agree with our King Lizard that it’ll probably get cancelled.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:13:03am

The markets seem to be yo-yoing around, but are staying in the red for now. Not quite the bloodletting of the past two days, but enough that Hair Furor is likely frothing at the mouth over what he sees as a crisis caused by disloyal staff.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:13:22am

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

Right and what happens when an unknowingly infected person goes to a large sporting event or a concert or a major tourist attraction?

That’s why schools started closing in Italy and why the CDC last night warned that “significant” disruptions in daily life should be expected here.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:15:00am

I like this Star Trek fight music better: Star Trek: Tik Tok

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:16:28am

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

Right and what happens when an unknowingly infected person goes to a large sporting event or a concert or a major tourist attraction?

Or a Trump rally? Especially given that Trump is known to be quite the germophobe.

He’d freak the fuck out if a COVID-19 outbreak could be traced back to one of his rallies.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:17:33am

Went to check FR, and the first topic I find on the pandemic seems level-headed because it’s quoting the CDC saying a vaccine could be a year off but drugs to help the infected closer to being made.

Then the first response rips the OP because Rush insists that the virus is “no worse than the common cold” and the roller coaster of insanity goes from there.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:19:16am

re: #81 Targetpractice

Then the first response rips the OP because Rush insists that the virus is “no worse than the common cold”

Really? Well then, Rush should take one for the team and show us all how harmless it is.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:20:30am

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

Really? Well then, Rush should take one for the team and show us all how harmless it is.

It’s a race to finish Rush! Who will win, the Lung Cancer or the Coronavirus?

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CarolJ  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:20:44am

IF you have regular meds, go to mail order pharmacies. You can get a 90 day supply which cuts down on inconvenient trips to the pharmacy or running out at inconvenient moments. You don’t want to go and stand behind coughing people who are waiting for their first meds, or find out that it’s run out.

Sometimes docs will have a few samples in a pinch, but if you can, make sure that they only have to hand them out in emergencies.

things I think I’m looking for:

Delivery services will boom and so will demands on things like unemployment funds and other funds as the vulnerable will be taking early retirement so they can keep some money coming in.

That’s what happened to a lot of my co-workers during the Great Recession and several government shut-downs in 2013, et al. We had people at our place who had worked 30-even 40 years decide to call a halt in exchange for reliable funds and no vulnerability to being sent home with no money when things slowed down with no recourse.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:22:08am
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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:22:40am

Trump is suing the NYT for libel over an opinion piece: cnbc.com.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:24:07am

re: #85 Scottish Dragon

That would explain where the RWNJ attacks I was getting earlier came from.

Fuck Rush Limbaugh to hell and back.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:24:13am

re: #83 The Pie Overlord!

It’s a race to finish Rush! Who will win, the Lung Cancer or the Coronavirus?

Lung Cancer: Why do I have to go down with him?
Corona: Well, it’s not going to be me, I hope.

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uriel  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:24:43am

re: #86 Belafon

Trump is suing the NYT for libel over an opinion piece: cnbc.com.

Libel is the McDonald’s Coffee of the right.

Except the woman who sued McDonald’s actually *was* injured.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:27:22am

re: #89 uriel

Libel is the McDonald’s Coffee of the right.

Except the woman who sued McDonald’s actually *was* injured.

Seriously injured.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:28:11am

re: #14 Dr Lizardo

American cultural historian Michael Butters noted that conspiracy theories are reflective of deeper societal insecurities. He also noted,

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There is also a tradition that any CT that disparages the other side is accepted and repeated regardless of whether or not it has any basis in fact.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:29:02am
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plansbandc  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:30:14am

re: #90 Scottish Dragon

I, unfortunately, looked at the pictures of her burns once. Don’t do that to yourself.

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:30:17am

re: #85 Scottish Dragon

Rosenstein is a goddamned Republican who Trump nominated as DAG. Trumpists turned on Rosenstein because Rosenstein accidentally found the rule of law appropriate conduct for the role, and not Trump suck up.

Now, Trumpists turn on anyone who doesn’t completely suck up to Trump. All these know nothing extremists attack anyone who knows anything about anything, especially if they counter Trump’s bulkshit.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:31:26am
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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:31:34am

re: #92 Dread Pirate

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:31:47am

re: #83 The Pie Overlord!

It’s a race to finish Rush! Who will win, the Lung Cancer or the Coronavirus?

Why not both?

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:32:02am

re: #90 Scottish Dragon

Seriously injured.

And was profoundly upset that McDonalds just didn’t seem to care. At all.

Part of the problem with a highly litigious society is that a lot of times all people really want is an apology, and maybe some gesture toward making good on the problem that was created. Lawyers advise against that as an admission of guilt which could be used against the individual or organization involved.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:32:32am

re: #89 uriel

Libel is the McDonald’s Coffee of the right.

Except the woman who sued McDonald’s actually *was* injured.

Yeah, the way people typically cite that case makes me nuts. Really severe burns, coffee way hotter than industry standard, previous injuries from too-hot coffee, warnings that it shouldn’t be that hot went ignored by McDonalds.
There wasn’t a dawg-damn thing frivolous about her lawsuit.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:36:02am

re: #99 Jebediah, RBG

Yeah, the way people typically cite that case makes me nuts. Really severe burns, coffee way hotter than industry standard, previous injuries from too-hot coffee, warnings that it shouldn’t be that hot went ignored by McDonalds.
There wasn’t a dawg-damn thing frivolous about her lawsuit.

She had to have extensive skin grafting. It was bad. All the jokes about “oh, a little hot coffee” really didn’t understand how serious the injuries were.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:36:20am

re: #99 Jebediah, RBG

Yeah, the way people typically cite that case makes me nuts. Really severe burns, coffee way hotter than industry standard, previous injuries from too-hot coffee, warnings that it shouldn’t be that hot went ignored by McDonalds.
There wasn’t a dawg-damn thing frivolous about her lawsuit.

I’ve used that example in English lessons here - the case is known by Czechs, but they typically don’t know the details involved in the case - they usually joke about as an example of frivolous lawsuits. When the case details are pointed out, that there had been previous injuries, that they were serving coffee that was far too hot, that McDonald’s basically blew the plaintiff off….then they change their minds.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:36:41am

re: #96 lawhawk

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The Times is going to go to town on them in discovery.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:37:46am

re: #102 Scottish Dragon

The Times is going to go to town on them in discovery.

And when they do, I’d wager that Trump will drop that lawsuit pronto.

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plansbandc  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:38:25am

With my lungs as bad as they are and with dude’s various health problems, we don’t stand a chance against the virus.

So, when it comes, and it’s coming we are toast.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:39:04am

re: #101 Dr Lizardo

I’ve used that example in English lessons here - the case is known by Czechs, but they typically don’t know the details involved in the case - they usually joke about as an example of frivolous lawsuits. When the case details are pointed out, that there had been previous injuries, that they were serving coffee that was far too hot, that McDonald’s basically blew the plaintiff off….then they change their minds.

McDonalds knew for years they had a problem and there was a LOT of internal documentation to that effect.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:39:05am
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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:39:43am

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

And when they do, I’d wager that Trump will drop that lawsuit pronto.

After the election. Until then, he’ll tout that he’s destroying the Times and holding them to account and claiming that anything the Times report is a lie about him.

It’s about creating an alt-reality and his Trumpists ignoring facts and logic to regurgitate Trump lies.

I’ll repeat myself but:

It’s a cult…
It’s a cult of…

It’s a cult of … personality.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:41:14am

re: #96 lawhawk

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It’s about silencing the NYT in the midst of an election, as the lawyers will now tell the editors to clamp down on any stories or op-eds that mention Trump and Russia until the lawsuit has been dealt with. As for discovery, that sort of assumes it ever reaches that point, as I expect Trump (read: his lawyers) to obstruct all efforts by the Gray Lady’s lawyers to obtain evidence before the lawsuit “suddenly” gets dropped after the election.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:41:24am

They’re literally suing over an opinion column.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:42:21am

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

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Please Please Please Please let Trump’s suit against the Times go to discovery!

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:44:21am
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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:45:07am
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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:45:08am

re: #96 lawhawk

The NYT won’t be able to publish while they’re being sued? Who knew?

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:45:31am

There is an imminent threat of a global pandemic & POS45 is honing his name-calling skills.

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JC1  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:47:03am

re: #9 KGxvi

I wonder if there’s correlation/causation between the rise of populism and conspiracy theories. Distrust of “elites” or “experts” combined with “common sense” seems like a common thread between the two.

I think that it’s mostly about the ability of cranks to spread their message via Youtube, podcasts, and the like coupled with a lack of critical thinking education.
Cranks and people with fantasy prone personalities always existed, but prior to the internet their reach was limited to shouting on a street corner or maybe publishing a newsletter to a couple hundred folks. Now, any idiot can reach millions and ‘you might also like this’ suggestion algos make it easy to fall down a rabbit hole. Additionally, the media wants eyeballs and clicks, and crazy sells.

Most of us as irrational beings with mental filters and biases. Even being aware of all this, and on constant guard against our brains interpreting reality irrationally is not enough to completely guard against confirmation bias, wishful thinking, etc.

The average person is unaware of how faulty human thinking is, and is basically at the mercy of their bubble and media diet.

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:50:11am

re: #115 JC1

I think that it’s mostly about the ability of cranks to spread their message via Youtube, podcasts, and the like coupled with a lack of critical thinking education.
Cranks and people with fantasy prone personalities always existed, but prior to the internet their reach was limited to shouting on a street corner or maybe publishing a newsletter to a couple hundred folks. Now, any idiot can reach millions and ‘you might also like this’ suggestion algos make it easy to fall down a rabbit hole. Additionally, the media wants eyeballs and clicks, and crazy sells.

Most of us as irrational beings with mental filters and biases. Even being aware of all this, and on constant guard against our brains interpreting reality irrationally is not enough to completely guard against confirmation bias, wishful thinking, etc.

The average person is unaware of how faulty human thinking is, and is basically at the mercy of their bubble and media diet.

Yes, but limiting internet access to professionals, or something, would be highly detrimental to anyone who isn’t physically near people they interact with socially under the current paradigm.

And what other way is there to remove the virtual soapbox, especially while maintaining the legality of the physical one?

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:50:21am

re: #101 Dr Lizardo

I’ve used that example in English lessons here - the case is known by Czechs, but they typically don’t know the details involved in the case - they usually joke about as an example of frivolous lawsuits. When the case details are pointed out, that there had been previous injuries, that they were serving coffee that was far too hot, that McDonald’s basically blew the plaintiff off….then they change their minds.

imdb.com

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2020 • 11:51:58am

re: #117 BeachDem

imdb.com

I’ll have to check that out.

Well, time to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards. Up early for work tomorrow.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:00:53pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:03:17pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:08:23pm

re: #120 Scottish Dragon

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Oh fuck.

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uriel  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:09:19pm

re: #120 Scottish Dragon

Well, fuck.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:10:50pm

re: #122 uriel

Well, fuck.

This is literally Nuremberg Laws inspired.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:11:14pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:11:22pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:11:40pm

re: #120 Scottish Dragon

Must be Trumps wedding gift to Stephen Miller.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:11:57pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:12:35pm

re: #127 The Pie Overlord!

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This is so awful.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:12:55pm

Okay, back to topic #1, could we maybe tone down the apocalypse? Hubei province has a population around 55 million. Infections are approaching 66,000, not even .2 percent. (Even if you limit it to Wuhan, 11 million people, less than one percent have an infection serious enough to be recorded.) And the death rate is a few percent of that.

On the Diamond Princess (again!), in close quarters, elderly population, about 20% infected, 4 dead. That’s .1% of the group.

I agree about reasonable precautions, but could we avoid the mass hysteria?

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:14:31pm

re: #125 Chrysicat

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But then Trump can’t be a citizen either, right? No one can be.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:14:58pm

re: #120 Scottish Dragon

Denaturalization? Start with Melania.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:16:13pm

re: #116 Chrysicat

Yes, but limiting internet access to professionals, or something, would be highly detrimental to anyone who isn’t physically near people they interact with socially under the current paradigm.

And what other way is there to remove the virtual soapbox, especially while maintaining the legality of the physical one?

I think the best answer is the critical thinking education that is missing from most curricula. I think it ought to start as early as possible and continue through to high school. Teaching a critical (haha) mass of kids to do something as simple as asking “who is telling me this, and why do they want me to believe it” would really help all by itself. So would teaching them to always evaluate a claim based on the evidence presented.

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:18:29pm

re: #130 calochortus

But then Trump can’t be a citizen either, right? No one can be.

When is a Nuremberg Law ever executed equally against everyone it could target?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:21:40pm
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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:22:05pm

re: #120 Scottish Dragon

I think of people up here at my job, people who are naturalized citizens, who voted for Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:22:13pm

re: #131 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Denaturalization? Start with Melania.

But she’s an Einstein visa. Btw I actually have researched visas for people with extraordinary abilities. EB-1, I think they’re called. I’d be shocked if Melania qualified. They’re super competitive.

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:22:39pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

No one in the goddamned media will report it as what it is- a dangerous move designed to delegitimize Trump’s political enemies.

And it wont stop with naturalized citizens.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:23:25pm

re: #135 Belafon

I think of people up here at my job, people who are naturalized citizens, who voted for Trump.

Hopefully they see that this could put them or one of their loved ones in danger. I can see Barr trying to denaturalize over petty things.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:23:28pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:24:13pm

re: #137 lawhawk

No one in the goddamned media will report it as what it is- a dangerous move designed to delegitimize Trump’s political enemies.

And it wont stop with naturalized citizens.

It never does.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:24:39pm

re: #136 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

But she’s an Einstein visa. Btw I actually have researched visas for people with extraordinary abilities. EB-1, I think they’re called. I’d be shocked if Melania qualified. They’re super competitive.

Well, Melania does do a job that nobody else is willing to do. ////

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:25:07pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

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John Mitchell smiled.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:25:24pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:26:46pm

re: #129 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Okay, back to topic #1, could we maybe tone down the apocalypse? Hubei province has a population around 55 million. Infections are approaching 66,000, not even .2 percent. (Even if you limit it to Wuhan, 11 million people, less than one percent have an infection serious enough to be recorded.) And the death rate is a few percent of that.

On the Diamond Princess (again!), in close quarters, elderly population, about 20% infected, 4 dead. That’s .1% of the group.

I agree about reasonable precautions, but could we avoid the mass hysteria?

Preparation now leads to less panic down the road.

We already know that COVID-19 has a lethality of about 2% (higher in some reports but let’s stick with 2) and that reasonable projections show nearly the entire US population exposed in 12-15 months.

CDC is warning to expect significant disruptions to daily life…whatever that means.

Medical peeps on media are generally warning to keep 2 to 4 weeks on non perishable food on hand and stockpile meds.

Again, preparation NOW equals less panic down the line. If the 2% lethality rate continues, we can expect 1918 pandemic comparable effects here with overloaded hospitals and significant social effects.

This isn’t the end of the world by a long shot.

However.

We know what happened last time we had a major natural disaster with an incompetent, cronyist government. This will be worse by orders of magnitude while Trump is in office. We are all responsible for maintaining our own preparation networks and watching out for family and neighbors.

Don’t panic. Prepare and get ready.

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EPR-radar  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:27:06pm

re: #138 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Hopefully they see that this could put them or one of their loved ones in danger. I can see Barr trying to denaturalize over petty things.

Call Trump a ‘witless fucking cocksplat’ online, get denaturalized. But Barr would be doing this on Trump’s orders. Nobody is more petty than Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:28:03pm

re: #145 EPR-radar

Call Trump a ‘witless fucking cocksplat’ online, get denaturalized. But Barr would be doing this on Trump’s orders. Nobody is more petty than Trump.

Well yeah it would be on Trump’s orders. Barr is just catch all for DOJ. Man this is bad.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:28:49pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:30:20pm

re: #147 Patricia Kayden

Yeah this may be the most disgusting thing Rush has ever done and that’s saying a lot. He could contribute to a public health crisis.

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:31:26pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:31:54pm

re: #146 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well yeah it would be on Trump’s orders. Barr is just catch all for DOJ. Man this is bad.

It is bad, but there’s a timelimit on who they can try to strip, and they will still have to get them through the courts. But it’s reason 21235875457912047583 for why he needs to lose this fall.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:32:08pm

re: #133 Chrysicat

When is a Nuremberg Law ever executed equally against everyone it could target?

The point being that they haven’t linked it to getting rid of birthright citizenship (yet.) I don’t think they can retroactively apply it to natural born citizens without everyone losing their citizenship. My first ancestor born in what is now the US was in 1630 or 1631, but she was on my mother’s side, so that doesn’t really count since it’s the father’s side that is the important one (you know, the one no one could actual tell whether the baby was their bio-kid or not until recently.) On Dad’s side, well, Dad was the anchor baby, although the rest of the family was naturalized when Dad was 4.

This is very, very bad policy, but there’s no huge need to extend it beyond what it is for it to be reprehensible.

edited because I replied to the wrong comment

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:33:24pm

re: #150 Belafon

It is bad, but there’s a timelimit on who they can try to strip, and they will still have to get them through the courts. But it’s reason 21235875457912047583 for why he needs to lose this fall.

Yeah it’s just a start. And since you brought up the courts, that’s why McConnell crams through Trump’s horrifyingly unqualified judges through the Senate. It likewise is why his blocking of Obama’s judges was done.

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garzooma  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:33:28pm

re: #144 Scottish Dragon

Preparation now leads to less panic down the road.

We already know that COVID-19 has a lethality of about 2% (higher in some reports but let’s stick with 2) …
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Do we know this? I thought that they don’t really know the number of people infected, so they can’t really come up with a reliable lethality number — they don’t know the denominator.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:33:35pm

re: #147 Patricia Kayden

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Rush really pushing that 98% survive!! while glossing over what 2% of 330,000,000 is a lot of dead people, assuming eventual 100% exposure.

JFC

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:35:21pm

re: #153 garzooma

Do we know this? I thought that they don’t really know the number of people infected, so they can’t really come up with a reliable lethality number — they don’t know the denominator.

Other estimates have been higher. I’m going with the lowest known lethality rate we have at present. This will likely change, and some pandemics have decreased in lethality as time progressed.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:35:50pm

re: #154 Scottish Dragon

Rush really pushing that 98% survive!! while glossing over what 2% of 330,000,000 is a lot of dead people, assuming eventual 100% exposure.

JFC

Imagine if 2% of all airplane flights crashed?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:36:16pm

re: #9 KGxvi

I wonder if there’s correlation/causation between the rise of populism and conspiracy theories. Distrust of “elites” or “experts” combined with “common sense” seems like a common thread between the two.

There has pretty much always been a strong current of anti-intellectualism in the country. I blame the Pilgrims and other religious extremists since questioning things is something they heavily disapprove of.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:36:21pm

re: #151 calochortus

The point being that they haven’t linked it to getting rid of birthright citizenship (yet.) I don’t think they can retroactively apply it to natural born citizens without everyone losing their citizenship. My first ancestor born in what is now the US was in 1630 or 1631, but she was on my mother’s side, so that doesn’t really count since it’s the father’s side that is the important one (you know, the one no one could actual tell whether the baby was their bio-kid or not until recently.) On Dad’s side, well, Dad was the anchor baby, although the rest of the family was naturalized when Dad was 4.

This is very, very bad policy, but there’s no huge need to extend it beyond what it is for it to be reprehensible.

Shit I’ve done more of this I’d say than 99% of the population and I still don’t have the naturalization records of all my family lines.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:37:48pm

re: #154 Scottish Dragon

Rush really pushing that 98% survive!! while glossing over what 2% of 330,000,000 is a lot of dead people, assuming eventual 100% exposure.

JFC

6,600,600. Bigger than several states. Man this is scary.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:38:04pm

re: #119 Scottish Dragon

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when has this WH coordinated or checked, or vetted anything?
examples abound

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:38:17pm

Not to mention most of Rushs listeners are in the higher risk categories.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:39:05pm

re: #124 The Pie Overlord!

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dems can do this (create a near pandemic) but not win an election by 77k votes?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:39:19pm

re: #160 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Man, think about how bad you have to suck for ARI FLEISCHER to be the person telling you that you suck.

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unproven innocence  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:39:27pm

re: #144 Scottish Dragon

Preparation now leads to less panic down the road.

We already know that COVID-19 has a lethality of about 2% (higher in some reports but let’s stick with 2) and that reasonable projections show nearly the entire US population exposed in 12-15 months.

CDC is warning to expect significant disruptions to daily life…whatever that means.

Medical peeps on media are generally warning to keep 2 to 4 weeks on non perishable food on hand and stockpile meds.

Again, preparation NOW equals less panic down the line. If the 2% lethality rate continues, we can expect 1918 pandemic comparable effects here with overloaded hospitals and significant social effects.

This isn’t the end of the world by a long shot.

However.

We know what happened last time we had a major natural disaster with an incompetent, cronyist government. This will be worse by orders of magnitude while Trump is in office. We are all responsible for maintaining our own preparation networks and watching out for family and neighbors.

Don’t panic. Prepare and get ready.

I agree except for the 12-15 months. Much sooner, I think.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:39:39pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:40:13pm

re: #55 Joe Bacon 🌹

I hope karma bites those assholes with the virus and it bites them hard. Wonder what Moscow Mitch will do when GOP Senators drop dead…

Blame Obama. Of course.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:40:14pm

I really wish I could afford a 2 to 4 week stockpile of food.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:41:00pm

re: #165 Scottish Dragon

Gah.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:41:16pm

re: #164 unproven innocence

I agree except for the 12-15 months. Much sooner, I think.

We won’t know until we get better modeling.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:42:11pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

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paper fucking ballots
kill some goddamn trees if that’s the cost to save democracy
oh wait, there’s recyclable paper.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:43:33pm

re: #148 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah this may be the most disgusting thing Rush has ever done and that’s saying a lot. He could contribute to a public health crisis.

rush is obviously sick. he confirmed it himself.
it’s affecting him.
he doesnt know what he’s saying and so should be ignored

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:44:24pm

re: #170 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

paper fucking ballots
kill some goddamn trees if that’s the cost to save democracy
oh wait, there’s recyclable paper.

For now, they could just tell everyone coming in to vote about the problem. Some people still won’t get it, but it could help.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:44:52pm

re: #167 Eclectic Cyborg

I really wish I could afford a 2 to 4 week stockpile of food.

Rice. Beans. Cheap non perishable stuff. If you have an Aldi’s, they have the cheapest canned goods.

Powdered milk is now bizarrely expensive, but milk can be frozen. We are starting tomorrow. My spouse and I both work with high numbers of the public (her in a Walgreens and I am in public schools) so we are both watching this like hawks.

The news I saw that public schools were already closing in Italy was a hell of a shock.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:45:47pm

re: #160 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Because you’re obviously an idiot, Ari, let me break it down for you:

“I don’t understand how the CDC could make an announcement as important as yesterday without it being tightly coordinated with the WH.”

Trump knows at a gut level that this is out to hurt his chances at reelection. Therefore he wants it kept quiet. The CDC did this without him, and he’s probalby trying to think of a way to make them all pay.

“There should have been an Oval Office meeting”

BWAHAHAHA

“a statement by POTUS about protecting people”

He doesn’t want to protect people. He doesn’t care.

“and then a press avail by experts.”

The only experts he cares about are those who are trying to get rid of non-whites.

“Bizarre.”

Only if you’re not paying attention.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:46:23pm

re: #150 Belafon

It is bad, but there’s a timelimit on who they can try to strip, and they will still have to get them through the courts. But it’s reason 21235875457912047583 for why he needs to lose this fall.

and why i will vote for any male, female, straight, gay, young, old, rich, poor, new yorker or not, who has a D after their name

unless you are a diehard R,
there is no calculus
there is no rationalization
there is no ‘other choice’

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:47:44pm

re: #175 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

and why i will vote for any male, female, straight, gay, young, old, rich, poor, new yorker or not, who has a D after their name

unless you are a diehard R,
there is no calculus
there is no rationalization
there is no ‘other choice’

That’s why we need the most presidential candidate up there. This is going to be a crisis. We’re going to need the best people possible in the next administration.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:49:25pm
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:50:23pm

re: #172 calochortus

For now, they could just tell everyone coming in to vote about the problem. Some people still won’t get it, but it could help.

its what they will do
good thing they found out

in larger context this should not ever be a thing
software/screen design impacting the vote

it’s the 2000 palm beach butterfly ballot done with pixels

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:51:07pm

re: #173 Scottish Dragon

Rice. Beans. Cheap non perishable stuff. If you have an Aldi’s, they have the cheapest canned goods.

Powdered milk is now bizarrely expensive, but milk can be frozen. We are starting tomorrow. My spouse and I both work with high numbers of the public (her in a Walgreens and I am in public schools) so we are both watching this like hawks.

The news I saw that public schools were already closing in Italy was a hell of a shock.

fwiw - boxed milk is shelf stable for a year

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:51:44pm

re: #179 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

fwiw - boxed milk is shelf stable for a year

True.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:54:01pm

re: #99 Jebediah, RBG

Yeah, the way people typically cite that case makes me nuts. Really severe burns, coffee way hotter than industry standard, previous injuries from too-hot coffee, warnings that it shouldn’t be that hot went ignored by McDonalds.
There wasn’t a dawg-damn thing frivolous about her lawsuit.

“Woman Sues McDonald’s Because Coffee Was Too Hot” just made for a catchy headline…

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:55:56pm

I know that this is too easy of one but I predict that Trump’s press conference, which he is calling with the intentions of calming the markets, will have the opposite result.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:56:52pm

re: #173 Scottish Dragon

Rice. Beans. Cheap non perishable stuff. If you have an Aldi’s, they have the cheapest canned goods.

Powdered milk is now bizarrely expensive, but milk can be frozen. We are starting tomorrow. My spouse and I both work with high numbers of the public (her in a Walgreens and I am in public schools) so we are both watching this like hawks.

The news I saw that public schools were already closing in Italy was a hell of a shock.

It has already crossed the Alps and is in Germany…

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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2020 • 12:59:15pm

re: #167 Eclectic Cyborg

I really wish I could afford a 2 to 4 week stockpile of food.

Rice, beans, flour, potatoes, fish sticks are stupid cheap, canned vegies - get larger cans and use part each day for a given meal, canned fruit - no its not as tasty as fresh but its a good healthy and cheap dessert. Visit your food bank and store what they give you. Liquid eggs and milk freeze well. So does cheese. Buy a single large roast and cook it, freeze it in single meal portions. Same with whole chicken which are usually cheaper than the peices people like. Keep all bones and carcasses to boil down for stock. Get soup mixes and barley.

I could go on but it is not that hard. Just build your stockpile and then only buy necessities (eggs, bread, etc) fresh.

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makeitstop  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:01:50pm

Okay, this is getting a little close for comfort here…

Nassau is my neighboring county.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:01:53pm

re: #174 Belafon

Because you’re obviously an idiot, Ari, let me break it down for you:

“I don’t understand how the CDC could make an announcement as important as yesterday without it being tightly coordinated with the WH.”

Trump knows at a gut level that this is out to hurt his chances at reelection. Therefore he wants it kept quiet. The CDC did this without him, and he’s probalby trying to think of a way to make them all pay.

“There should have been an Oval Office meeting”

BWAHAHAHA

“a statement by POTUS about protecting people”

He doesn’t want to protect people. He doesn’t care.

“and then a press avail by experts.”

The only experts he cares about are those who are trying to get rid of non-whites.

“Bizarre.”

Only if you’re not paying attention.

I mean, let’s be honest—what Fleischer is really suggesting is that the CDC should be towing the Trump line.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:02:24pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:03:51pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:04:15pm

Of course the CDC should inform Trump of the FACTS before releasing them to the public, but what Trump wants is for the CDC to come to him to be availed of the facts that they are allowed to release

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:06:05pm

re: #185 makeitstop

Okay, this is getting a little close for comfort here…

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Nassau is my neighboring county.

This is bad.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:06:46pm

re: #187 The Pie Overlord!

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No paper did more to put Trump in the White House than The New York Times.

No paper kisses Trump’s ass more than the Times.

And this is the thanks they get in return…

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VegasGolfer  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:07:35pm

re: #129 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Okay, back to topic #1, could we maybe tone down the apocalypse? Hubei province has a population around 55 million. Infections are approaching 66,000, not even .2 percent. (Even if you limit it to Wuhan, 11 million people, less than one percent have an infection serious enough to be recorded.) And the death rate is a few percent of that.

On the Diamond Princess (again!), in close quarters, elderly population, about 20% infected, 4 dead. That’s .1% of the group.

I agree about reasonable precautions, but could we avoid the mass hysteria?

Use this page if you are going to use numbers.
gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:07:36pm

re: #191 Joe Bacon 🌹

No paper did more to put Trump in the White House than The New York Times.

No paper kisses Trump’s ass more than the Times.

And this is the thanks they get in return…

They should know better than to ever stop kissing his ass.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:08:46pm

re: #136 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

But she’s an Einstein visa. Btw I actually have researched visas for people with extraordinary abilities. EB-1, I think they’re called. I’d be shocked if Melania qualified. They’re super competitive.

O-1, last time I checked. They are very difficult to get.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:08:54pm

We are not talking about piles of corpses in the streets, but we are looking at a major economic downturn, even a crisis, when the supply chain starts to break down due to travel restrictions.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:09:11pm

Rush’s stage 4 lung cancer is nothing worse than the little coughing and sneezing you get during allergy season.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:10:15pm

re: #144 Scottish Dragon

Preparation now leads to less panic down the road.

We already know that COVID-19 has a lethality of about 2% (higher in some reports but let’s stick with 2) and that reasonable projections show nearly the entire US population exposed in 12-15 months.

CDC is warning to expect significant disruptions to daily life…whatever that means.

Medical peeps on media are generally warning to keep 2 to 4 weeks on non perishable food on hand and stockpile meds.

Again, preparation NOW equals less panic down the line. If the 2% lethality rate continues, we can expect 1918 pandemic comparable effects here with overloaded hospitals and significant social effects.

This isn’t the end of the world by a long shot.

However.

We know what happened last time we had a major natural disaster with an incompetent, cronyist government. This will be worse by orders of magnitude while Trump is in office. We are all responsible for maintaining our own preparation networks and watching out for family and neighbors.

Don’t panic. Prepare and get ready.

Uh,… that’s what I said.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:10:22pm

re: #194 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

O-1, last time I checked. They are very difficult to get.

Yeah sorry, it’s been a year and a half since I last worked in law. You are correct though. I researched the O-1 for a client. Never saw how it ended up though.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:10:28pm

re: #182 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

It’s going to be a disaster of biblical proportions.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:10:50pm

re: #196 Ace Rothstein

Rush’s stage 4 lung cancer is nothing worse than the little coughing and sneezing you get during allergy season.

Has Paula White anointed Rush with oil and prayed for Jesus to heal him yet?

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:11:50pm

re: #148 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah this may be the most disgusting thing Rush has ever done and that’s saying a lot. He could contribute to a public health crisis.

Pretty sure he believes it (that’s the problem with peddling lies all your life…).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:12:56pm

re: #201 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Pretty sure he believes it (that’s the problem with peddling lies all your life…).

Yeah you repeat enough bs for enough of time, you start believing your own bs. See also, Jones, Alex.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:13:05pm

re: #201 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Rush is a public health crisis.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:13:07pm

re: #196 Ace Rothstein

Rush’s stage 4 lung cancer is nothing worse than the little coughing and sneezing you get during allergy season.

Oh, I hope not!
///

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:13:11pm

re: #185 makeitstop

Okay, this is getting a little close for comfort here…

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Nassau is my neighboring county.

i was born there
these days it’s a hike from sofla

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:13:36pm

re: #199 Ace Rothstein

It’s going to be a disaster of biblical proportions.

But will there be fishes and wine for everyone?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:14:42pm

Everyone be prepared for the media to say “Today was the day Trump became President” after his CDC hostage video in a couple of hours.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:15:01pm

re: #196 Ace Rothstein

Rush’s stage 4 lung cancer is nothing worse than the little coughing and sneezing you get during allergy season.

We should mail him some cough drops, the poor baby.

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:15:13pm

re: #185 makeitstop

Well, NYC metro area… it was only a matter of time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:15:42pm

re: #190 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This is bad.

And Trump is sitting on his ass not doing shit about it.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:16:21pm

re: #179 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

fwiw - boxed milk is shelf stable for a year

But it tastes awful. Can’t have everything.

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:16:37pm

re: #165 Scottish Dragon

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And we ask, whose side is Bill Kristol on?

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:17:03pm

re: #207 Ace Rothstein

Everyone be prepared for the media to say “Today was the day Trump became President” after his CDC hostage video in a couple of hours.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:17:21pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

And Trump is sitting on his ass not doing shit about it.

That’s precisely why. I mean FFS his own pick on paper to the CDC is being attacked by one of his favorite mouthpieces because she’s the sister of the guy who didn’t completely ignore the Russian interference investigation’s legitimacy and who of course was picked by him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:19:09pm

re: #212 BeachDem

And we ask, whose side is Bill Kristol on?

Yeah he just amplified a small group. Man I feel you, your primary’s gonna be a clusterfuck. I vote on Tuesday. I’m going with Biden and I will report here on my experience.

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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:19:39pm

re: #211 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

But it tastes awful. Can’t have everything.

UHT milk is even nastier than regular milk, agreed, but it is excellent for cooking. A cup of that in your mac and cheese or a dash in your coffee and you won’t know the difference but still have the better stuff for other uses.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:20:07pm

re: #211 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

But it tastes awful. Can’t have everything.

im talking Parmalat, Dairy Pure, etc
same cows, same milk, different packaging.
shelf stable without refrigeration until opened.
after opening it lasts the same as chilled milk

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:21:16pm

re: #212 BeachDem

And we ask, whose side is Bill Kristol on?

Everyone has done this, boosted the signal of some minor group in an attempt to thwart said group. We’ve participated in that.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:23:12pm

re: #192 VegasGolfer

Use this page if you are going to use numbers.
gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com

Thanks. Although it doesn’t seem to break down by region, and it doesn’t break out the Diamond Princess.

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Weaselone  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:23:47pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

What I don’t really understand is - do people just not hear it when Biden slurs words and runs them together? I know he suffers from stuttering, but that’s not what this is. It’s disturbingly similar to the way Trump talks.

Biden has had 2 solid debates in a row.
1. Expectations for him are pretty low. If Buttigieg, Klobuchar or Warren had a debate like him, they would be broadly panned. Biden just has to perform better than his first couple debates to get a gold star from the media.
2. Warren has been wiping the floor with Bloomberg. That’s benefited Biden greatly as he’s no longer hemorrhaging his “our only hope is nominate an old, white moderate to beat Trump” support.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:25:00pm

re: #216 William Lewis

UHT milk is even nastier than regular milk, agreed, but it is excellent for cooking. A cup of that in your mac and cheese or a dash in your coffee and you won’t know the difference but still have the better stuff for other uses.

i couldnt pick uht vs ‘regular’ milk in a blind test
i have never noticed a difference, certainly not a discernible one
- as compared to say reconstituted / powdered milk, which is obviously not milk
- and powdered skim that has an eerie light blue tinge

maybe my taste buds are old

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:26:57pm

re: #216 William Lewis

UHT milk is even nastier than regular milk, agreed, but it is excellent for cooking. A cup of that in your mac and cheese or a dash in your coffee and you won’t know the difference but still have the better stuff for other uses.

Yeah, and you can put it on cereal if you have to. We cruisers encounter it a lot.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:27:45pm

re: #217 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

im talking Parmalat, Dairy Pure, etc
same cows, same milk, different packaging.
shelf stable without refrigeration until opened.
after opening it lasts the same as chilled milk

Yup. Still tastes icky, IMHO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:28:44pm
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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:29:30pm

re: #218 Belafon

Everyone has done this, boosted the signal of some minor group in an attempt to thwart said group. We’ve participated in that.

And I wonder how much effect it will have. After all, if they don’t go to the polls, they’ll still get their preferred candidate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:29:51pm
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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:30:12pm

It looks like the market’s going to finish down about .5%, between 100 and 130 points.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:30:26pm

re: #221 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

i couldnt pick uht vs ‘regular’ milk in a blind test
i have never noticed a difference, certainly not a discernible one
- as compared to say reconstituted / powdered milk, which is obviously not milk
- and powdered skim that has an eerie light blue tinge

maybe my taste buds are old

Some of us just like milk.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:30:52pm

Eight shot at a Coors brewery. Active shooter.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:31:25pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

This. Bloomberg’s low on my list but the woman lost her son to a senseless gun crime. Of course, she’s going to support the man who has worked hard to elect pro-gun control people and wants to make it a big part of his agenda.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:31:35pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:32:04pm

re: #229 Ace Rothstein

Eight shot at a Coors brewery. Active shooter.

Lovely. Can’t hold those firearm manufacturers responsible eh Bernie? Maybe if they were billionaires, you’d be more upset.

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makeitstop  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:32:21pm

re: #190 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This is bad.

My wife has informed me that there are 20 cases being monitored in my county.

Man, if this thing got into the subway it’s gonna be real bad.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:32:57pm

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

From what I understand, it was done the same the way the debates in the previous states have. Sanders fans are just shocked that his message doesn’t really fly down there among South Carolina Democrats.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:33:17pm

DOW drops 127 points today. Not as brutal as the last two days, but still probably won’t make President Stock Market happy.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:33:29pm

re: #233 makeitstop

My wife has informed me that there are 20 cases being monitored in my county.

Man, if this thing got into the subway it’s gonna be real bad.

The port authority and buses too. Trains.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:34:12pm

I’m starting to wonder if this will become the crisis that sinks Trumps Presidency.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:34:39pm
Clive Cussler, best-selling adventure writer who sought real-life thrills, dies at 88

washingtonpost.com

Aw man this is sad, what a run. I really enjoyed his brain candy books. With his death he will only able to put out about 4 books a year now.

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:35:02pm

re: #229 Ace Rothstein

Eight shot at a Coors brewery. Active shooter.

Here or North Carolina?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:36:02pm

re: #237 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m starting to wonder if this will become the crisis that sinks Trumps Presidency.

It might well be. This is a narrative he can’t control. Some of you have asked why hasn’t he started a full out war? Trump when he’s been successful has controlled the narrative. A potential health scare isn’t something he’s equipped for since that’s something you need to consult experts on and he’s shown nothing but disdain to experts throughout his political career. Plus, it’s a new disease that we don’t know about.

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lawhawk  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:38:46pm

That’s the Molson Coors HQ in Milwaukee. Multiple casualties reported.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:39:49pm

re: #185 makeitstop

Okay, this is getting a little close for comfort here…

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Nassau is my neighboring county.

I’m getting on a couple of planes, heading for a hotel convention on Friday. Wheeee.

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makeitstop  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:40:17pm

re: #223 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Yup. Still tastes icky, IMHO.

We had a couple of boxes of Parmalat in our cupboard a few years ago. We went on vacation in Boston and took them along.

After we settled in, I got up the next morning and poured myself a cup of coffee, and opened the Parmalat and poured it into my coffee.

It was the first time I’d ever seen chunky milk. I guess it didn’t make its shelf life. Gross.

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:40:23pm

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:41:16pm

re: #185 makeitstop

Okay, this is getting a little close for comfort here…

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Nassau is my neighboring county.

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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:41:40pm

re: #221 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Maybe it’s better now but when I first encountered it in the Army in Germany in 1983, I couldn’t stand it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:46:59pm

re: #244 Chrysicat

I say especially if Republicans are openly disrupting it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:47:10pm

re: #245 BeachDem

A couple of the first cases to be treated are at UCSD here in San Diego, brought in for treatment but contracted elsewhere. I figure it’s only time before the rest of the population is infected.

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:47:34pm

re: #215 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah he just amplified a small group. Man I feel you, your primary’s gonna be a clusterfuck. I vote on Tuesday. I’m going with Biden and I will report here on my experience.

Being the nerd I am, somewhere I have excel files of turnout in all of the SC primaries from 2008 on. I will be interested to review the #s.

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:48:57pm

re: #218 Belafon

Everyone has done this, boosted the signal of some minor group in an attempt to thwart said group. We’ve participated in that.

I know, but I can’t help assigning nefarious motive to Bill Kristol. That’s just how I roll.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:50:54pm

One Million Moms counts on people turning One Dozen White Guys into a bigger thing than it is. I can’t fault Kristol for doing that.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:52:01pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:52:30pm

re: #250 BeachDem

I know, but I can’t help assigning nefarious motive to Bill Kristol. That’s just how I roll.

Do you still do that to Tom Nichols or David Frum, too?

I honestly believe Kristol had the right idea by his other “apparent ratfucking” where he was said to be encouraging Rs in NH to vote for anyone but Bernie because he feared his ability to get elected.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:55:07pm

re: #250 BeachDem

I know, but I can’t help assigning nefarious motive to Bill Kristol. That’s just how I roll.

Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:55:38pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:56:54pm

re: #255 Patricia Kayden

I appreciate that Amash voted for impeachment but he’s awful on literally everything else except matters of Trump.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:57:40pm

re: #252 Patricia Kayden

Since it was Sirota, I had to go chase down the part where it was about Sanders being the Jewish son of an immigrant. I couldn’t find it. But since Gardner is a Trump lacky, he doesn’t get any support.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:58:35pm

re: #256 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I appreciate that Amash voted for impeachment but he’s awful on literally everything else except matters of Trump.

Still a True Conservative……. Not a Trump Cultist.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:59:06pm

re: #257 Belafon

Since it was Sirota, I had to go chase down the part where it was about Sanders being the Jewish son of an immigrant. I couldn’t find it. But since Gardner is a Trump lacky, he doesn’t get any support.

Oh absolutely not. I have problems with Bernie but this shit is bad.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:59:29pm

re: #258 Dave In Austin

Still a True Conservative……. Not a Trump Cultist.

Worse than that IMO. Remember, there were only three others that voted against this.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 1:59:46pm

re: #258 Dave In Austin

Notice how that doesn’t look so bad right now?? LOLOLOL!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:00:40pm

re: #261 Dave In Austin

Notice how that doesn’t look so bad right now?? LOLOLOL!

He’s more of a paleo-conservative of the Ron Paul flavor which I never asked for either.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:01:08pm

re: #129 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Okay, back to topic #1, could we maybe tone down the apocalypse? Hubei province has a population around 55 million. Infections are approaching 66,000, not even .2 percent. (Even if you limit it to Wuhan, 11 million people, less than one percent have an infection serious enough to be recorded.) And the death rate is a few percent of that.

On the Diamond Princess (again!), in close quarters, elderly population, about 20% infected, 4 dead. That’s .1% of the group.

I agree about reasonable precautions, but could we avoid the mass hysteria?

It may be .1% of the group but it is over .5% of reported cases, which makes a mortality rate of 5 x seasonal flu. In any case, it will take several weeks before the cases all resolve so that the actual mortality can be determined.

As to the Chinese experience, there have been reports claiming that many deaths were never reported or were not classified appropriately — that official death certificates listed the cause as pneumonia, instead of coronavirus. One must view Chinese statistics with skepticism. That’s why I said downstairs and continue to believe that the Diamond Princess experience will be most helpful in pinpointing the true mortality rate, at least in first world countries.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:02:54pm

re: #258 Dave In Austin

Still a True Conservative……. Not a Trump Cultist.

Endnote 3: The Origins of Conservatism

So still participating in a philosophical tradition that stems from monarchism and the idea of natural hierarchy, but doesn’t like this particular pyramid-shaped scheme in which Trump is the top?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:03:17pm

re: #250 BeachDem

I know, but I can’t help assigning nefarious motive to Bill Kristol. That’s just how I roll.

I feel like motive writ large is almost irrelevant in the current context, where nobody actually knows a goddamned thing because nothing makes sense anymore, and where almost nobody seems to have noticed so people are still out there as ever predicting shit with confidence.

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:05:26pm

Was searching “American dissidents” on Twitter, and without the quotes. Disappointingly, very few people are yet actually admitting we either have or will soon have actual dissidents, not just opposition.

But at least I got a chance to see someone trying to drag Ana for supporting Trump, because she expressly does not support Bernie?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:05:46pm

re: #263 Hecuba’s daughter

As to the Chinese experience, there have been reports claiming that many deaths were never reported or were not classified appropriately — that official death certificates listed the cause as pneumonia, instead of coronavirus.

Disclaimer: Not A Dr.

Technically, this is probably a true statement. The virus sets up conditions for pneumonia to set in and that is what what actually kills the patient.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:06:17pm

re: #255 Patricia Kayden

Louie Fucking Gohmert…..of course.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:09:00pm

re: #268 Dr. Matt

Louie Fucking Gohmert…..of course.

Yono and Massie too. Shit not even Steve King voted no. As I said, thanks Amash for voting for the impeachment but you’re still a fucking dickhead who read too much Ron Paul.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:09:32pm

This short clip from Bridge of Spies describes my exact emotional system calibration target with regards to most things, but in particular this godforsaken primary race.

Would it help ??

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:10:09pm

re: #264 The Ghost of a Flea

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So still participating in a philosophical tradition that stems from monarchism and the idea of natural hierarchy, but doesn’t like this particular pyramid-shaped scheme in which Trump is the top?

Or just as possibly, supports the rule of law when it’s in place but still wants there to be bound-but-not-protected, along with protected-but-not-bound, people.

And the one thing that even few of that type would ever have approved of before 2014 is using the country as one’s personal piggy bank. (The ones who still saw Yanuk as president of “the” Ukraine after the Maidan were the first sign that was cracking; then came Trump and it collapsed entirely for anyone who still had an R after their name). There’s not a single elected king he’d have been fine with feathering his nest in the way Trump did.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:10:26pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

A bunch of these folks are fleeing into their own private unreality where the things they participated in have no bearing on the outcomes that produced Trump voters and a Trumpist party, and that they never “read” what was going on wrong. The audience-facing part of that is to just keep insisting that they’re wise and slide around the specific things they fucked up.

I just watched David Frum do a talk on Youtube for his anti-Trump book (note: I watched it recently, but the talk was not recent) and it struck me how carefully he dances around his own participation in polarization as a Bush speechwriter, his support of the Iraq War, etc, while presenting himself as somehow the reasonable party…but the people that were right all along are still the unreasonable parties that are unserious.

Bill Kristol isn’t even on Frum’s level. It’s advancing forward never acknowledging the past, because that would involve expensive and humiliating concessions that he’s consistently wrong, basically a film critic but for real life events, and only has his role because there’s a self-reinforcing network of Serious Opinion guys that feed off one another.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:13:30pm

re: #269 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yono and Massie too. Shit not even Steve King voted no. As I said, thanks Amash for voting for the impeachment but you’re still a fucking dickhead who read too much Ron Paul.

A Never Trumper, is still a republican/racist in their soul. They may appear as allies now, but as soon as the Dems are in White House, they will be breaking out their hoods and burning crosses.

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aatharuv  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:13:52pm

re: #135 Belafon

I’ve had _non_white naturalized citizen coworkers* who voted for Trump on the grounds that he was better than “Lying Hillary”.

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makeitstop  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:14:26pm

At least 7 dead at Molson Coors shooting

Fuck.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:14:47pm

re: #252 Patricia Kayden

Just wait until #BernieHatesJesus becomes a thing.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:14:57pm

re: #273 Dr. Matt

A Never Trumper, is still a republican/racist in their soul. They may appear as allies now, but as soon as the Dems are in White House, they will be breaking out their hoods and burning crosses.

Yes, no doubt about it. I would never vote for Amash and I hope somehow he loses in 2020.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:15:38pm

re: #275 makeitstop

At least 7 dead at Molson Coors shooting

Fuck.

Just another damn day in America.

USA! USA! USA!

//

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plansbandc  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:18:10pm
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:20:48pm

re: #243 makeitstop

We had a couple of boxes of Parmalat in our cupboard a few years ago. We went on vacation in Boston and took them along.

After we settled in, I got up the next morning and poured myself a cup of coffee, and opened the Parmalat and poured it into my coffee.

It was the first time I’d ever seen chunky milk. I guess it didn’t make its shelf life. Gross.

it’s just yogurt then

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:20:58pm

Thread……

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:21:37pm

re: #280 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

it’s just yogurt then

Or cheese.

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makeitstop  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:21:59pm

Bastards.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:22:02pm

re: #245 BeachDem

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:23:13pm

Trumporrhoid, projecting like an IMAX in Outer Space, calls Bernie a “Nazi”

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aatharuv  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:23:24pm

re: #258 Dave In Austin

Amash should know better, being the son of a Palestinian refugee and a Syrian immigrant. His awakening and parting from the Republican party was at least partly on the various actions increasing xenophobia and minority phobia like the Muslim* ban.

*He’s a Christian, but it’s not like someone targetting Muslims won’t attack Arab Christians, Jews Sikhs, Hindus, or some darker skinned Europeans perceived to look Muslim.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:24:33pm

re: #279 plansbandc

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Don’t panic, unless you’re in a nursing home …

Grim thought of the day: It’s gonna be wild if Trump ends up losing because the corona virus killed too much of his base

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:24:50pm

re: #274 aatharuv

I’ve had _non_white naturalized citizen coworkers* who voted for Trump on the grounds that he was better than “Lying Hillary”.

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:24:51pm

Yes, I’m as shocked as you are that he’s questioning his king

I really, really want to RT-with-comment, or reply, to this asking if Scott’s finally broken with Cult45, but I don’t want to earn a block if the answer’s no. What should I do?

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:25:34pm

re: #253 Chrysicat

Do you still do that to Tom Nichols or David Frum, too?

I honestly believe Kristol had the right idea by his other “apparent ratfucking” where he was said to be encouraging Rs in NH to vote for anyone but Bernie because he feared his ability to get elected.

I guess I just have a thing about Kristol because he’s so smarmy, has been involved with so many creepy organizations/publications, I can’t give him the benefit of any doubt. YMMV

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:27:17pm

re: #246 William Lewis

Maybe it’s better now but when I first encountered it in the Army in Germany in 1983, I couldn’t stand it.

well yeah that would be some pretty old milk by now//

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:30:18pm

re: #278 Eclectic Cyborg

Just another damn day in America.

USA! USA! USA!

//

7 more notches for Bloody Wayne LaPierre. His belt must be, what?, 200 miles long by now.

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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:30:35pm

re: #273 Dr. Matt

“The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more, no less. “

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:32:05pm

re: #281 Dave In Austin

Thread……

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my ex, the dragon lady?
fuck. no. and fuck no.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:33:02pm

re: #283 makeitstop

Bastards.

I think he want’s to go to M4A.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:33:30pm
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aatharuv  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:35:51pm

re: #288 calochortus

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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:36:28pm

re: #281 Dave In Austin

Thread……

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Interesting question.

Honestly? One night? Hella yeah. Longer term and i am sure we’d blow apart again.

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sagehen  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:36:56pm

re: #266 Chrysicat

But at least I got a chance to see someone trying to drag Ana for supporting Trump, because she expressly does not support Bernie?

I seem to remember her saying that she’d vote for whoever the Dems nominate, “But please, I beg of you, don’t nominate the socialist guy or the crystal lady.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:39:35pm

re: #299 sagehen

I seem to remember her saying that she’d vote for whoever the Dems nominate, “But please, I beg of you, don’t nominate the socialist guy or the crystal lady.”

Ana’s been anti-Trump from the start. We probably would have some disagreements about basic policy but she’s never been so much as a Trump flirter. And yeah she’s very apprehensive about Bernie and for understandable reasons.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:42:09pm

I say Amber……

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:42:19pm

re: #297 aatharuv

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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:42:32pm

re: #289 Chrysicat

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I really, really want to RT-with-comment, or reply, to this asking if Scott’s finally broken with Cult45, but I don’t want to earn a block if the answer’s no. What should I do?

I guarantee he hasn’t. The liberal elite is to blame… somehow < rolls eyes >

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:43:16pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:43:41pm

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:46:58pm

re: #263 Hecuba’s daughter

It may be .1% of the group but it is over .5% of reported cases, which makes a mortality rate of 5 x seasonal flu. In any case, it will take several weeks before the cases all resolve so that the actual mortality can be determined.

As to the Chinese experience, there have been reports claiming that many deaths were never reported or were not classified appropriately — that official death certificates listed the cause as pneumonia, instead of coronavirus. One must view Chinese statistics with skepticism. That’s why I said downstairs and continue to believe that the Diamond Princess experience will be most helpful in pinpointing the true mortality rate, at least in first world countries.

Perhaps you’d noticed that every post I’ve done on this subject includes Diamond Princess figures. Perhaps you saw my comment that DP was worth watching because they were more likely to capture all the cases.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:47:37pm

Have you seen Ann Coulter’s take on Buttigieg? Don’t recall where I saw it, but somewhere on twitter: Buttigieg is a liberal, higher IQ version of Marco Rubio.

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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:49:54pm

re: #301 Dave In Austin

I say Amber……

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Could be or ambergris?

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:53:33pm

re: #307 Hecuba’s daughter

Have you seen Ann Coulter’s take on Buttigieg? Don’t recall where I saw it, but somewhere on twitter: Buttigieg is a liberal, higher IQ version of Marco Rubio.

How much higher when a gay man, white or not, actively condemned the revolutionary politics of the ’60s?

Admittedly, he may be taking Stonewall’s timetable literally and thus discounting it and the rest of the movement allowing him not to require a “beard” as “revolutionary politics of the 70s”, and additionally I’m sure that in his mind he was only condemning the Weather Underground and the Black Panthers, but there’s an argument to be made that a lot of non-white people would have been better off if even those two had been more successful in forcing the country to negotiate with terrorists. And most of 60s revolution wasn’t those two, certainly not any part that Bernie might actually have been involved with rather than trying to steal the valour of a lookalike.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:53:49pm

re: #308 William Lewis

Could be or ambergris?

They’re saying it’s not ambergris. It would be nice to know the hardness and specific gravity.

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:56:17pm

re: #284 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

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Also, I would like to forget that I ever lived in Freeport.

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retired cynic  Feb 26, 2020 • 2:57:08pm

re: #308 William Lewis

Could be or ambergris?

Mine, too, but apparently experts said not.

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:07:50pm

re: #300 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ana’s been anti-Trump from the start. We probably would have some disagreements about basic policy but she’s never been so much as a Trump flirter. And yeah she’s very apprehensive about Bernie and for understandable reasons.

Was also very vocal about voting for Hillary, which is more than I can say for certain supporters of a certain 2016 Democratic candidate.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:08:46pm

re: #309 Chrysicat

I took Buttigieg mentioning the ‘60’s as a way to make Bernie sound like the latter is from another era, and at the time I didn’t read anything more into the statement.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:08:49pm

Really? News to me. Anyone?

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:08:56pm

Isn’t there a CDC presser supposed to be going on right now?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:10:17pm

re: #316 The Pie Overlord!

Isn’t there a CDC presser supposed to be going on right now?

6:30 EST, last I saw.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:11:02pm

re: #316 The Pie Overlord!

Isn’t there a CDC presser supposed to be going on right now?

got delayed to 6:30. it’ll be on C-SPAN

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:12:03pm

re: #317 Blind Frog Belly White

Reload 317. Thinking in the wrong time zones.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:13:13pm

re: #313 BeachDem

Was also very vocal about voting for Hillary, which is more than I can say for certain supporters of a certain 2016 Democratic candidate.

Including his spokeswoman and one of his top aides who have bragged about voting for Stein. Yeah Ana is conservative. I don’t see Ana as an enemy. I disagree with her. She’s someone who should have a role in a hopefully post Trump center-right.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:14:31pm

re: #315 Dave In Austin

Really? News to me. Anyone?

Yeah but what about Hunter Biden who psst was on the board of Amtrak appointed by the Republican president that Biden was hoping to succeed. // Seriously, it’s all a nepotism with these people. And it starts with the Trump kids themselevs.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:15:08pm

So…we have a President lying about both the threat of the virus and the progress of response effort to preserve the stock market.

But previously gutted the CDC’s budget and staff, and now is using the need for coronavirus $ as leverage to demand cuts to assistance programs, including one for winter heating?

And now the HHS lead is talking about how a vaccine has to involve private investment, and thus could be prohibitively expensive.

I mean, we can’t get more naked about the priorities on display.

Kill the Poor

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:15:50pm

re: #296 Patricia Kayden

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Obama should sue them for libel.

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aatharuv  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:16:44pm

re: #315 Dave In Austin

We’re going back to the old cold war promotion of authoritarian regimes/political parties that liked us as “freedom loving”. That Bolsonaro senior really hates gays*, is a plus from CPAC’s point of views.

* independent.co.uk

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retired cynic  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:18:05pm

huffpost.com

Good video of Adam Schiff on Jimmy Kimmel’s show

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:21:44pm

re: #322 The Ghost of a Flea

…
And now the HHS lead is talking about how a vaccine has to involve private investment, and thus could be prohibitively expensive.

…

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This is obscene. So they are basically talking about killing poor people. Does anyone in this administration understand how diseases spread? Hmmm. This sounds like a ready-made quote for an advertisement for M4A, with the government reining in pharmaceutical firms.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:22:39pm

re: #255 Patricia Kayden

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my congresscritter is one of the four.

*SPIT*

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:25:20pm

re: #323 Eventual Carrion

Obama should sue them for libel.

and cite the trump/nyt case

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:26:52pm

re: #326 Hecuba’s daughter

This is obscene. So they are basically talking about killing poor people. Does anyone in this administration understand how diseases spread? Hmmm. This sounds like a ready-made quote for an advertisement for M4A, with the government reining in pharmaceutical firms.

“a week is a lifetime in politics” was coined because statements like these just popping out are unpredictable

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:28:33pm

re: #321 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah but what about Hunter Biden who psst was on the board of Amtrak appointed by the Republican president that Biden was hoping to succeed. // Seriously, it’s all a nepotism with these people. And it starts with the Trump kids themselevs.

It’s a growing trend worldwide. Superficially, it looks like organised crime, where the crime boss’s family are automatically consiglieres and form a trusted inner circle. Over time, this will morph into feudalism, where wealthy families return to ruling nation-states in a hereditary fashion. Truly representative democracy is on the wane.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:28:36pm

re: #322 The Ghost of a Flea

So…we have a President lying about both the threat of the virus and the progress of response effort to preserve the stock market.

But previously gutted the CDC’s budget and staff, and now is using the need for coronavirus $ as leverage to demand cuts to assistance programs, including one for winter heating?

And now the HHS lead is talking about how a vaccine has to involve private investment, and thus could be prohibitively expensive.

I mean, we can’t get more naked about the priorities on display.

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If only there were some sort of government agency or institutions of higher learning where research could be encouraged. You know, sharing the costs among all the presumptive beneficiaries and avoiding excessive profits.

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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:31:41pm

re: #300 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Eh, I have a hard time saying “understandable ” when I remember Batista, Samosa and the rest.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:32:10pm

re: #296 Patricia Kayden

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Just saw it. Committee to protect the president or something like that. Local news station.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:32:59pm

Presser starting now…

c-span.org

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:36:16pm

re: #331 calochortus

If only there were some sort of government agency or institutions of higher learning where research could be encouraged. You know, sharing the costs among all the presumptive beneficiaries and avoiding excessive profits.

You jest, but we’re dealing with people who actively hate the idea of the common welfare so much that they will let shit get worse, even fuck up the economy, because their sense of being superior, the exclusively deserving people, needs to be maintained. Like, these folks find the idea of open, shared research for the general good offensive.

We joke about the incident with the Sharpie and the map, but it’s an accurate representation of the kind of psychology we’re dealing with. The truth doesn’t exist, lives don’t matter, all that matters is short term personal gains…and not just material gain, even the emotional needs of these shit people matter more than the lives of peasants.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:37:06pm

Man, the orange asshole is never on time.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:38:05pm

re: #330 Renaissance_Man

It’s a growing trend worldwide. Superficially, it looks like organised crime, where the crime boss’s family are automatically consiglieres and form a trusted inner circle. Over time, this will morph into feudalism, where wealthy families return to ruling nation-states in a hereditary fashion. Truly representative democracy is on the wane.

I think I’ve heard Bibi’s son mentioned too. I give Michelle and Barack loads of credit for letting Sasha and Malia be their own individuals.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:38:50pm

re: #335 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah. Well those “superior” people will get as sick as everyone else. And their staff being sick will inconvenience them, so they could stand to think about the concept of enlightened self interest.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:39:03pm

Trump says closing borders has “helped” with Coronavirus.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:39:25pm

The Twin Insurgency

The plutocrats have also developed novel ideological self-conceptions. Many see themselves as “the deserving winners of a tough worldwide competition” and regard efforts to make them to pay for public goods as little more than organized theft.4 Whereas during the Cold War the apparent availability of a socialist alternative pressured the ultra-rich to temper their maximalist ambitions, the collapse of communism removed that constraint, enabling a shift in how many of the new ultra-wealthy conceived their relationship with society. While some continued to see themselves as owing a debt of obligation to the societies in which they enriched themselves, a significant subset, particularly among financial elites, began to see their personal achievements as being detached from the success of the national societies in which they reside. Instead of seeing themselves as the ultimate winners of the systems in which they work, they characterized themselves as the noble rebels who made it on their own despite the drag caused by incumbents, loafers, and parasites in government and society. The growing popularity of the pseudo-philosophical novels of Ayn Rand, whose ideas George Monbiot refers to as “the Marxism of the new right”, represented the most visible manifestation of an ideology that depicts the rich as “makers” and the masses as shiftless “takers.”5 From Washington to London, plutocrat-funded think tanks devoted themselves to creating a body of usable ideas and policy proposals aimed at dismantling what is left of social modernity. This ideological shift heralded the arrival of the plutocratic insurgency.6

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:40:00pm

“risk to American people remains low”

“we have the greatest experts in the world.”

“level we’ve had in our country is low but those people are getting better”

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:40:50pm

re: #341 Eclectic Cyborg

“We started out by looking at certain things.”

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:41:05pm

YOU’RE OUT OF YOUR DEPTH, DONNIE

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:41:12pm

Trump claims only 15 cases nationwide right now.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:41:14pm

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump says closing borders has “helped” with Coronavirus.

There it is. When did we close the border for Chinese tourist or Chinese-Americans?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:41:29pm

re: #333 HRH Stanley Sea

Just saw it. Committee to protect the president or something like that. Local news station.

Ah, the same conservative PAC urging Republicans to vote for Bernie in the SC primary

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:41:35pm

Now he’s ragging on Dems for wanting too much money.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:42:02pm

“We’ve had ‘tremendous success’ fighting the virus”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:42:19pm

Trump praising Xi for his “hard work” stopping the spread in China.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:42:19pm

re: #345 Mike Lamb

There it is. When did we close the border for Chinese tourist or Chinese-Americans?

I go to DC usually once a week. Still plenty of Chinese tourists there and my brother goes to an university with a good amount of Chinese exchange students too.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:42:31pm

Very Very

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:42:41pm

Back to ragging on the Dems over the money.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:43:02pm

re: #335 The Ghost of a Flea

Also, true confessions: I’m so elitist that I don’t need other people to tell me how special I am. I don’t need lots of special perks to reinforce how great I am. I most certainly do not need to keep other people down, because I expect to do just fine-and if something should happen to me, I would like to think we have policies in place to help those who need it, just in case. Happiness is not a zero sum game. I’m generally happy, and I support other people being happy too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:43:04pm

re: #349 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump praising Xi for his “hard work” stopping the spread in China.

I bet you could find a tweet from just last week where Trump feigns outrage about Bernie and the Cuban literacy program.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:43:10pm

re: #348 Eclectic Cyborg

“We’ve had ‘tremendous success’ fighting the virus”

that’s why Shelby thanked trump for not bringing all those corona patients to Alabama…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:43:38pm

Trump says the Flu kills from 25000 to 69000 people a year. That shocked him. Goes back to saying we only have 15 with Coronavirus.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:44:28pm

“…and we’ll see what happens…”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:44:39pm

Now he’s talking about flu deaths over the past 10 years.

“We are screening people from infected areas at ‘a very high level”

“We are rapidly developing a vaccine”

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:44:41pm

Very Very!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:44:55pm

been wondering where all those corona patients ended up when they couldn’t be taken to Alabama.

Are they trapped on a bus or a train or a ship?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:45:19pm

re: #322 The Ghost of a Flea

So…we have a President lying about both the threat of the virus and the progress of response effort to preserve the stock market.

But previously gutted the CDC’s budget and staff, and now is using the need for coronavirus $ as leverage to demand cuts to assistance programs, including one for winter heating?

And now the HHS lead is talking about how a vaccine has to involve private investment, and thus could be prohibitively expensive.

I mean, we can’t get more naked about the priorities on display.

re: #331 calochortus

If only there were some sort of government agency or institutions of higher learning where research could be encouraged. You know, sharing the costs among all the presumptive beneficiaries and avoiding excessive profits.

Okay, let me just make a couple points here.

First, NIH has no fucking clue how to develop a vaccine for widespread use. They just don’t. I know this from bitter experience at my previous employer. They don’t know how to do it, they don’t know how long it will take, and they don’t know what it will cost. Back during SARS, the team they had working on it were playing with DNA vaccines, which have never been approved for anything, rather than a subunit vaccine, because those aren’t sexy.

Second, creating and testing a vaccine, and developing a commercial-scale process to make enough of it, is an expensive proposition. NIH will want to have it done at cost, which will attract little interest - why pull people off of projects that make a profit to do something that just covers costs? Sounds cold, but moving resources from projects that more than pay for themselves to put on something that may JUST pay for itself puts you at a competitive disadvantage, relative to other companies who don’t.

Third, assuming it’s a recombinant subunit vaccine of some kind, there has to be production capacity to make it, and production capacity is fucking expensive.

This is not to say that the government shouldn’t fund this, and shouldn’t pay for the vaccine, because there’s nothing stupider from a public health standpoint than rationing vaccine by socioeconomic class. It’s just to explain why it’s not as easy or as cheap as it seems.

Another wrinkle - we’re not sure what will work. Midcentury vaccinology was going great guns, making lots of killed-virus vaccines that worked like a fucking dream, till they ran into RSV, where that approach actually sensitized vaccinees so that they fared WORSE than the unvaccinated population.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:45:35pm

“we’re very very ready for a breakout of ‘larger’ proportions. Want to keep this at ‘low level’ “

“We’ll be at only 5 people very soon.”

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:45:40pm

Vaccine is a fucking year away.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:45:52pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

been wondering where all those corona patients ended up when they couldn’t be taken to Alabama.

Are they trapped on a bus or a train or a ship?

California, we have 2 here in Contra Costa hospitals.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:46:17pm

Claims U.S. is the country best prepared to handle an Epidemic. I suspect this was BEFORE Trump fired the CDC Epidemic specialists.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:46:20pm

re: #338 calochortus

Yeah. Well those “superior” people will get as sick as everyone else. And their staff being sick will inconvenience them, so they could stand to think about the concept of enlightened self interest.

Yeah, and that will happen at some point.

But…these are not smart people, and they’re willing to gamble with other peoples’ lives before they catch on that they, too, live in a society. And the rest of us pay, in the breach, for their inaction.

I mean, “Masque of the Red Death” is instructive in situations like this.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:46:45pm

Fucking Team Jesus!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:46:50pm

Trump praises the health care system Pence built in Indiana.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:47:07pm

re: #361 Blind Frog Belly White

Interesting.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:47:20pm

He just announced Mike Pence is in charge of the Coronavirus response.

Number of medical degrees held by Mike Pence: 0

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:47:33pm

Pence speaking now.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:47:34pm

Pence is in charge??!!

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:47:50pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:48:14pm

re: #373 Patricia Kayden

Good fucking grief. CHARGE THESE PEOPLE WITH CRIMES.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:49:04pm

Pence hasn’t no experience in anything right related to emergency management or infectious disease control.
oh that’s right….trump fired those people

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:49:09pm

I don’t even think Pence has served on a House committee involving health issues. Of course, if Pence fucks this up, he’ll get the underside of your favorite president’s bus because Donnie is the anti buck stops here President.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:49:23pm

Pence calls it the “Corona task force”. Sounds like something Brett Kavanagh belonged to in college.

/

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:49:38pm

re: #366 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah, and that will happen at some point.

But…these are not smart people, and they’re willing to gamble with other peoples’ lives before they catch on that they, too, live in a society. And the rest of us pay, in the breach, for their inaction.

I mean, “Masque of the Red Death” is instructive in situations like this.

No, they’re not smart. If you must have peasants, at least keep them reasonably healthy and comfortable and they’ll be less likely to come after you with pitchforks.*

*Gross simplification. I know there are a lot of wrinkles with who revolts and why.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:49:47pm

re: #373 Patricia Kayden

The gun violence is an epidemic of its own that Trump and Republicans ahve been ignoring oto.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:50:15pm

re: #377 Eclectic Cyborg

Pence calls it the “Corona task force”. Sounds like something Brett Kavanagh belonged to in college.

/

Nah bros like Kavanaugh are more Coors guys. They’d never drink a Mexican beer. //

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:50:22pm

re: #372 Scottish Dragon

Pence is in charge??!!

Need someone to blame if there are problems. And what would be a better way to replace Pence than if he fails to keep this pandemic outside this nation.

Another disgrace.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:50:37pm

Pence: “I have the best information on how to help Americans protect themselves”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:50:45pm

re: #369 calochortus

Interesting.

NIH is great at basic research, but drug development skills aren’t part of their expertise. Companies will never fund enough basic research, and the government doesn’t know how to do efficient drug development. That’s why public-funded basic research and private sector drug development research works so well. Doesn’t mean drugs have to be so expensive, though.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:51:06pm

WTF!!!

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:51:19pm

I’m not listening but Trump looks quite unhappy while Pence runs his mouth (and why, exactly is Pence running his mouth?)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:51:35pm

been nice knowing everyone…

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:51:43pm

Putting Pence in charge of the coronavirus response sets him up to take the blame, and in Trump’s deranged brain probably gives him an excuse for changing running mates if the pandemic gets really bad.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:51:54pm

Azar speaking now, kissing Trumps ass mercilessly. Saying again we only have 15 cases and only one new one in the last two weeks.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:52:10pm

Speaking of health, Trump seems very tired and ‘flat.’ He did while he was in India as well. It’s not his usual “serious topic” low energy style of speaking.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:52:15pm

These guys are making more of an effort to congratulate each other than to transmit accurate information.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:52:22pm

re: #387 goddamnedfrank

Putting Pence in charge of the coronavirus response sets him up to take the blame, and in Trump’s deranged brain probably gives him an excuse for changing running mates if the pandemic gets really bad.

I had the same thought.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:52:25pm

Watching Fat Donny fidget is almost worth listening to these syncopates

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:52:29pm

re: #385 BeachDem

I’m not listening but Trump looks quite unhappy while Pence runs his mouth (and why, exactly is Pence running his mouth?)

Because he doesn’t realize he’s just become an ablative shield.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:52:36pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:52:44pm

re: #387 goddamnedfrank

Putting Pence in charge of the coronavirus response sets him up to take the blame, and in Trump’s deranged brain probably gives him an excuse for changing running mates if the pandemic gets really bad.

That sounds right to me. Pence was never a Trump guy. Yeah he jumped on but the Trump kids are the one who talked Trump into Pence over Christie since Pence had more pull with traditional Republican voters than Christie.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:52:57pm

“The President actions have been appropriate, wise and properly calibrated to the situation”

“Risk to public continues to be low”

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:53:08pm

re: #378 calochortus

This is the funny thing about reading stuff like Burke, where the proposal is always No True Scotsman (would let things get so bad that the peasants revolt), and the solution is just to have an unequal system in which True Scotsman are the top tier.

It just keeps happening.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:53:23pm

Now he finally admits we’re probably going to see more cases throughout the U.S.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:53:23pm

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had forgotten about that. Well fuck.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:53:49pm

This jackass sounds like a PR hack, not a cabinet secretary.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:54:26pm

Slurp!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:55:02pm

“The Trump Admin will continue to be aggressively transparent in regards to the virus”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:55:02pm

re: #372 Scottish Dragon

Pence is in charge??!!

WE’RE DOOMED!

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:55:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:55:12pm
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Mike Lamb  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:55:51pm

re: #396 Eclectic Cyborg

“The President actions have been appropriate, wise and properly calibrated to the situation”

“Risk to public continues to be low”

What actions has he taken, exactly?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:56:00pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:56:01pm

re: #404 jaunte

Yeah that’s right. I had forgotten that Pence had some very Limbaugh like responses to the issues of the 90’s. I had forgotten that Pence called himself Rush on decaf.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:56:07pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:56:17pm

re: #406 Mike Lamb

What actions has he taken, exactly?

He’s tweeted. //

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:56:24pm

re: #406 Mike Lamb

What actions has he taken, exactly?

You mean besides 17 tweets a day?

/

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:56:36pm

re: #387 goddamnedfrank

Putting Pence in charge of the coronavirus response sets him up to take the blame, and in Trump’s deranged brain probably gives him an excuse for changing running mates if the pandemic gets really bad.

I wouldn’t put Pence in charge of changing a lightbulb, but I guess Doctor Ronny was too busy making cauliflower potatoes/

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:56:42pm

re: #410 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

7 seconds! GMTA

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:56:45pm

You don’t want to know what I’m thinking and I hate myself for thinking it might be necessary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:56:57pm
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Sherlock Hound  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:56:57pm

Trump is practically shaking! It isn’t the normal slow shifting that people do when they’re listening to their colleague speaking. He’s bouncing off the walls.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:57:15pm

Dr. Schuchat says future track of the virus is very uncertain.

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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:57:29pm

re: #389 calochortus

Speaking of health, Trump seems very tired and ‘flat.’ He did while he was in India as well. It’s not his usual “serious topic” low energy style of speaking.

Tots and pears that he caught it there…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:57:38pm

re: #413 Eclectic Cyborg

7 seconds! GMTA

Seriously if he’s not letting himself be jacked off by his cultists, he’s on Twitter jacking himself off while watching FNC and eating junk food. And sometimes golfing and commtiting crimes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:57:47pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:58:15pm

Some doctor guy talking about vaccine timeframe now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:58:38pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:58:57pm

Dr. Guy breaks down minimum 12 month sequence for getting a vaccine to the market.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:59:12pm

Fat Donny’s checking out the back of Dr. guy’s head

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:59:21pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:59:34pm

There’s going to be a scapegoat for this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:59:43pm

Dr. Guy says Coronavirus could be a seasonal cycle thing like the flu.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 26, 2020 • 3:59:54pm

re: #414 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You don’t want to know what I’m thinking and I hate myself for thinking it might be necessary.

Babylon 5 always had a great quote from Sheridan, “I’m not thinking what I’m thinking!”

I say that to myself five times a second.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:00:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:00:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:01:43pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:01:51pm

Bloomberg doing a Town Hall. I’m not a supporter but I’m interested in what he says.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:02:12pm

Trump: “We have the best prepared people in the world.”

“It may get bigger, it may not. We’ll see what happens.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:03:08pm

re: #433 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump: “We have the best prepared people in the world.”

“It may get bigger, it may not. We’ll see what happens.”

“I might sell off a state or two to Putin to pay off my debts, we’ll see what happens.” ‘/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:03:22pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:03:32pm

re: #326 Hecuba’s daughter

This is obscene. So they are basically talking about killing poor people. Does anyone in this administration understand how diseases spread? Hmmm. This sounds like a ready-made quote for an advertisement for M4A, with the government reining in pharmaceutical firms.

I have no doubt this is a conversation going on in conservative circles: the coronavirus may be a blessing in disguise if it kills off unwanted parts of the population.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:03:33pm

I dislike Bloomberg but he gets why Trump is absolutely unequipped to deal with this crisis.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:04:00pm

Actual follow up to an unanswered question about closing borders to people from other countries. Trump’s answer was totally vague, but seeing follow up is good.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:04:07pm

Okay, I can’t handle any more of that shit.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:05:17pm
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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:05:25pm

No one deserves it more than him.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:05:26pm

re: #426 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

There’s going to be a scapegoat for this.

Obama, duh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:06:25pm

re: #442 Ace Rothstein

Obama, duh.

Or Hillary.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:06:48pm

re: #442 Ace Rothstein

Obama, duh.

I was thinking a group more than an individual. He’ll blame Obama though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:07:28pm

If there was a vaccine and the government restricted it to citizens only, I’d be totally fucked.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:07:59pm

re: #445 Eclectic Cyborg

If there was a vaccine and the government restricted it to citizens only, I’d be totally fucked.

It would be just like this administration though.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:08:21pm

Okay, I don’t like Bloomberg at all but he knows how to talk about the gun issues.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:08:23pm

re: #445 Eclectic Cyborg

If there was a vaccine and the government restricted it to citizens only, I’d be totally fucked.

We’ll break into a pharmacy and slip you a dose.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:09:36pm

re: #361 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, let me just make a couple points here.

First, NIH has no fucking clue how to develop a vaccine for widespread use. They just don’t. I know this from bitter experience at my previous employer. They don’t know how to do it, they don’t know how long it will take, and they don’t know what it will cost. Back during SARS, the team they had working on it were playing with DNA vaccines, which have never been approved for anything, rather than a subunit vaccine, because those aren’t sexy.

Second, creating and testing a vaccine, and developing a commercial-scale process to make enough of it, is an expensive proposition. NIH will want to have it done at cost, which will attract little interest - why pull people off of projects that make a profit to do something that just covers costs? Sounds cold, but moving resources from projects that more than pay for themselves to put on something that may JUST pay for itself puts you at a competitive disadvantage, relative to other companies who don’t.

Third, assuming it’s a recombinant subunit vaccine of some kind, there has to be production capacity to make it, and production capacity is fucking expensive.

This is not to say that the government shouldn’t fund this, and shouldn’t pay for the vaccine, because there’s nothing stupider from a public health standpoint than rationing vaccine by socioeconomic class. It’s just to explain why it’s not as easy or as cheap as it seems.

Another wrinkle - we’re not sure what will work. Midcentury vaccinology was going great guns, making lots of killed-virus vaccines that worked like a fucking dream, till they ran into RSV, where that approach actually sensitized vaccinees so that they fared WORSE than the unvaccinated population.

That is a Watsonian explanation of how things work, but my concern is Doyleian, in that money is an abstract representation of value, and the justification of “well, we need to profit” has moral dimensions because it sets up a direct line between the worth of lives versus shareholder value.

This is particularly concerning since this isn’t a statement from a company, but from a government figure specifically tasked with trying to get the best outcomes for sick citizens. That his initially assessment leans heavy into “but the profit margin” is yet another disturbing calculus, because now the government is making a utilitarian calculation about private shareholder value versus public health.

And Azar is one of the guys that jacked insulin prices when he was private sector, and the general position of the current regime is take the side of wealthy institutions and specifically create opportunities for deeper gouging of vulnerable citizens, so I don’t think he’s just telling it how it is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:09:37pm

JFC

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:09:57pm

re: #343 jaunte

YOU’RE OUT OF YOUR DEPTH, DONNIE

Man, I only wish that he had a Walter who could make that stick and also that he had a hidden health problem like that Donnie.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:10:21pm

re: #446 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It would be just like this administration though.

And that’s what worries me.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:10:40pm

JFC Trump looks like total shit.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:10:52pm

re: #443 Eclectic Cyborg

Or Hillary.

HUNTER BIDEN!!!!!!

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:11:11pm

Trump looks like hell

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:11:12pm

re: #450 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

God he’s the worst possible person we could have in charge in this situation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:11:22pm
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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:11:26pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:11:29pm

re: #445 Eclectic Cyborg

If there was a vaccine and the government restricted it to citizens only, I’d be totally fucked.

That would be the stupidest possible way to ration the vaccine, because it’s not like all US citizens are immune competent, plus vaccines don’t generally provide 100% protection.

But since it is so stupid, there’s a nonzero chance they’ll do that.

On the plus side, if all the citizens around you are vaccinated, your exposure would be very low.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:11:43pm

re: #455 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

Trump looks like hell

He really does. He sounded like he was struggling for breath at the start there too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:12:06pm
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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:12:33pm

re: #444 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I was thinking a group more than an individual. He’ll blame Obama though.

Well, he already blamed the stock market drop on the Dem debate, so it will just be a natural progression.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:12:50pm

re: #455 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

Trump looks like hell

Hell thinks it’s better looking than Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:13:41pm

Of course he’d use a briefing about a serious pandemic to dunk on Pelosi.

JFC.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:13:46pm

re: #463 The Pie Overlord!

Hell thinks it’s better looking than Trump.

Hell’s orange glow is at least natural.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:14:03pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:14:05pm

He’s comparing it to the flu again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:14:30pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:15:13pm

This imbecile just said the reason the market tanked is because investors saw the Democratic debates.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:15:58pm

re: #441 jaunte

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No one deserves it more than him.

But he’s turning it over to Pence just in case he needs a scapegoat. After the outbreak there’s probably little chance that “Prayin’” Pence sticks around and why not Ivanka as VP? ///

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:15:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:16:08pm
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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:16:34pm

Oh God. He’s sniffing again.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:16:49pm

re: #464 Eclectic Cyborg

Of course he’d use a briefing about a serious pandemic to dunk on Pelosi.

JFC.

Except he didn’t dunk on her. He went for the ball and tripped on his own feet.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:16:58pm

Did Trump actually shut down flights from China? I thought it was the airlines.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:17:02pm

*THUD*

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aatharuv  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:17:07pm

re: #459 Blind Frog Belly White

That would be the stupidest possible way to ration the vaccine, because it’s not like all US citizens are immune competent, plus vaccines don’t generally provide 100% protection.

But since it is so stupid, there’s a nonzero chance they’ll do that.

On the plus side, if all the citizens around you are vaccinated, your exposure would be very low.

Sadly, it makes _perfect_ sense from Stephen Miller’s point of view. You live in an area with lots of immigrants — no benefit from herd immunity. You live in a place with few or no immigrants — herd immunity kicks in.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:17:21pm

re: #464 Eclectic Cyborg

No one dunks on the Madame Speaker.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:17:37pm
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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:17:55pm

[trump] WE HAVE TO ALL WORK TOGETHER AND COME TOGETHER, EVEN THE HORRIBLE TRAITORS THAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS[/trump]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:18:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:18:41pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:18:45pm

✔
@ddale8
Trump says he has worst-case-scenario plans for things like quarantines, but he doesn’t think they’ll be necessary.

Welp, hope there’s wifi in the FEMA camps. Good knowing ya!

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:18:45pm

Oh good. Apparently we warehouse experts so we can trot them out when needed without additional expense related to paying them until there’s a crisis.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:19:10pm

re: #481 Backwoods_Sleuth

Narrator: “Not a single lawsuit was ever filed.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:19:53pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:20:23pm

re: #474 I Would Prefer Not To

Except he didn’t dunk on her. He went for the ball and tripped on his own feet.

Someone asked him a question about Pelosi criticizing him — it’s not as though he decided to blame her on his own.

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:20:46pm

re: #470 Barefoot Grin

But he’s turning it over to Pence just in case he needs a scapegoat. After the outbreak there’s probably little chance that “Prayin’” Pence sticks around and why not Ivanka as VP? ///

We both know why not.

Because his base believes even more strongly than his #2 patron in the KSA that a woman having any legal power over a man is literally damning. But I don’t think that Don Jr. ever changed his official residence away from New York City, New York state.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:22:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:23:10pm
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jaunte  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:23:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:24:21pm

jeebus

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:25:00pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:25:19pm

This is just like the flu……..

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:25:26pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

So a just-in-time approach to handling pandemics. Good job there, Mr. “President”. If we had a real president, she would have probably contacted the Chinese at the beginning and insisted that a team be sent there to work with the Chinese on getting a handle on this. Trump, of course, doesn’t care about anything other than what might affect him personally — and certainly doesn’t care at all about people dying elsewhere, unless they are MAGAts.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:25:29pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:26:02pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:27:02pm

Brazil!! Very Very!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:27:48pm

you first orange moron, you’re the one sniffling

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Chrysicat  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:28:42pm

re: #491 jaunte

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:29:54pm

He gets along with the pres. of Brazil, so there won’t be any problem with the virus spreading. What?

Oh, and Azar’s too busy with drug prices to…

And Xi is working hard and…

I just can’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:30:09pm

re: #500 Chrysicat

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and then not pay them

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:32:22pm

“Are you working with China?” “Yes, we just made a trade deal.” WTF

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:34:24pm

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He thinks it involves pandas.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2020 • 4:38:44pm

re: #469 Ace Rothstein

This imbecile just said the reason the market tanked is because investors saw the Democratic debates.

Investors have time travel.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:13:05pm

re: #375 Scottish Dragon

Pence hasn’t no experience in anything right related to emergency management or infectious disease control.
oh that’s right….trump fired those people

Prayer circles are cheaper than using science to develop vaccines.
//

Plus when the current “containment” fails Trump has someone to throw under the bus.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 26, 2020 • 5:54:23pm

re: #491 jaunte

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Yep, on every street corner. Holding signs that say “Will appendectomy for food!”


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