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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:06:35pm

Zefrank provides an escape again. He has a series of “human test” to see if you are in fact human.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:08:47pm

Frantic search for anyone tied to Northern Ireland’s first case of coronavirus

Health officials are “working rapidly” to identify anyone who has come into contact with the first patient to test positive for coronavirus in Northern Ireland.

At a hastily convened press conference tonight, Northern Ireland’s Chief Medical Officer Dr Michael McBride revealed that an adult who had travelled to Northern Ireland from northern Italy via the Republic of Ireland had recorded a “presumptive positive” reaction to a test for the virus.

[…]

Seems like many cases in Europe and the one in Nigeria are being traced back to Italy.

But how does an infected person go from Italy through Ireland to NI without coming in contact with many people?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:27:08pm

There are times when I shouldn’t watch MSNBC. I don’t know when they will come. But the conversation between Lawrence and a California congressman whose district is where a C-virus sufferer showed up, a pandemic specialist, and Ned Price was one of those times. It’s clear that there are absolutely no plans in place for anything. And as Ned Price said, “the world is watching how America deals with this.”

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:33:42pm

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

The bit that has me a bit disgusted/freaked out/wondering if I’m spinning into conspiracy theory town was Maddow reporting that the HHS people ordered in to a quarantine zone without safety equipment or training to meet the infected people from the cruise ship were the same people whose jobs are to take care of the children separated from their parents at the border.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:33:43pm

WTAF

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:34:36pm

Almost as if Stephen Miller had a hand in it.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:34:49pm

re: #4 jaunte

The bit that has me a bit disgusted/freaked out/wondering if I’m spinning into conspiracy theory town was Maddow reporting that the HHS people ordered in to a quarantine zone without safety equipment or training to meet the infected people from the cruise ship we the same people whose jobs are to take care of the children separated from their parents at the border.

Perhaps… not as much a coincidence as one hopes.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:37:15pm

re: #4 jaunte

The bit that has me a bit disgusted/freaked out/wondering if I’m spinning into conspiracy theory town was Maddow reporting that the HHS people ordered in to a quarantine zone without safety equipment or training to meet the infected people from the cruise ship were the same people whose jobs are to take care of the children separated from their parents at the border.

I was walking the dog then, but wife was watching. Not sure how she took it, but I’ll probably hear about it tomorrow.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:41:34pm

re: #8 Barefoot Grin

huffpost.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:43:15pm

re: #4 jaunte

The bit that has me a bit disgusted/freaked out/wondering if I’m spinning into conspiracy theory town was Maddow reporting that the HHS people ordered in to a quarantine zone without safety equipment or training to meet the infected people from the cruise ship were the same people whose jobs are to take care of the children separated from their parents at the border.

But wouldn’t these people also be spreading the disease throughout the entire HHS organization AND the ICE employees who work at the facilities? And to their families and friends. This would seem like a way to spread the disease throughout the nation.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:45:05pm

re: #10 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m not saying it’s a well-thought-out plan, but that would be characteristic.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:47:41pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:47:44pm

JFC he needs to be carried out of the White House on a handcart, wearing a face mask & a straightjacket.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:47:48pm

I won’t ascribe to malice what is clearly a pattern arising from incompetence.

Donald Trump became President by playing on the fears of the know-nothings. All that Trump is centers around knowing nothing. Trump has always been about lying and puffery, a facade of stardom covering up a lack of any other skill or knowledge.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:49:39pm

re: #13 The Pie Overlord!

JFC he needs to be carried out of the White House on a handcart, wearing a face mask & a straightjacket.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:49:59pm
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jaunte  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:54:58pm

To demonstrate our priorities, I’ll be collecting money in Florida.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:56:14pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 27, 2020 • 7:58:28pm

re: #13 The Pie Overlord!

JFC he needs to be carried out of the White House on a handcart, wearing a face mask & a straightjacket.

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“Diagnosis positive”
Freakin’ clowns. Can’t even get a damn Seinfeld reference right

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makeitstop  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:00:09pm
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jaunte  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:04:54pm

For this week’s Infrastructure Week performance, a work crew in Houston broke a 96 inch water main, flooding a low-lying section of the 610 freeway and shutting down water service to half the city.

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gocart mozart  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:08:10pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:18:14pm

re: #6 jaunte

Almost as if Stephen Miller had a hand in it.

I got a sneaking suspicion that Steven Miller wants Coronavirus to kill a lot of people of color…

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gocart mozart  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:19:26pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:22:39pm

re: #20 makeitstop

It’s only percentage drops that matter — not point drops. The largest percentage drop in history was the 22.6% on Oct 22, 1987. The total 4 day decline this week is 11.13%, which is less than half the drop in the single day in 1987.

This market will all recover quickly if the coronavirus threat dissipates for this year — which is quite possible. So far, worldwide there are only 83,000 cases reported; in the US over the past 4 months there have been 29 million to 41 million cases of flu. Every time we think that some action will finally bring down this administration, we have been wrong — and so far, it doesn’t appear that this will ultimately succeed either.

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garzooma  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:25:16pm

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

There are times when I shouldn’t watch MSNBC. I don’t know when they will come. But the conversation between Lawrence and a California congressman whose district is where a C-virus sufferer showed up, a pandemic specialist, and Ned Price was one of those times. It’s clear that there are absolutely no plans in place for anything. And as Ned Price said, “the world is watching how America deals with this.”

The district of the CA congressman also contains Travis Air Force Base, which is one of the locations the whistleblower cited as having Covid-19 patients being held with dangerously inadequate safety measures. One hell of a coincidence.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:32:23pm

My son started this, so we finished:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:35:16pm

re: #17 jaunte

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To demonstrate our priorities, I’ll be collecting money in Florida.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:43:46pm
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Belafon  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:45:35pm
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:46:36pm
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BeachDem  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:46:58pm

Pedants are us, issue 439604.

Dave Weigel’s review of the South Carolina race was pretty thorough, but he mentioned the Galivants Ferry Stump and said Joe and Pete were the only candidates still in the race who attended. I sent him an email with a picture of Amy at the Stump.

I know she’s mostly an afterthought these days, but jeez—she IS still running.

Too nit-picky? Wonder if he’ll respond (or update his article)

washingtonpost.com

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:51:30pm
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:52:51pm

Korean automaker Hyundai has shut down a factory in Usan after a worker tested positive for COVID-19.

reuters.com

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 27, 2020 • 8:56:15pm

re: #25 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s only percentage drops that matter — not point drops. The largest percentage drop in history was the 22.6% on Oct 22, 1987. The total 4 day decline this week is 11.13%, which is less than half the drop in the single day in 1987.

This market will all recover quickly if the coronavirus threat dissipates for this year — which is quite possible. So far, worldwide there are only 83,000 cases reported; in the US over the past 4 months there have been 29 million to 41 million cases of flu. Every time we think that some action will finally bring down this administration, we have been wrong — and so far, it doesn’t appear that this will ultimately succeed either.

Real wisdom here folks.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:00:30pm
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:01:42pm

re: #25 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s only percentage drops that matter — not point drops. The largest percentage drop in history was the 22.6% on Oct 22, 1987. The total 4 day decline this week is 11.13%, which is less than half the drop in the single day in 1987.

This market will all recover quickly if the coronavirus threat dissipates for this year — which is quite possible. So far, worldwide there are only 83,000 cases reported; in the US over the past 4 months there have been 29 million to 41 million cases of flu. Every time we think that some action will finally bring down this administration, we have been wrong — and so far, it doesn’t appear that this will ultimately succeed either.

True, but Trump does seem to be doing his damndest to fuck this up. Only thing worse he could do right now is put Mike “heck-of-a-job-brownie” Brown in charge of the response.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:09:57pm

re: #25 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s only percentage drops that matter — not point drops. The largest percentage drop in history was the 22.6% on Oct 22, 1987. The total 4 day decline this week is 11.13%, which is less than half the drop in the single day in 1987.

This market will all recover quickly if the coronavirus threat dissipates for this year — which is quite possible. So far, worldwide there are only 83,000 cases reported; in the US over the past 4 months there have been 29 million to 41 million cases of flu. Every time we think that some action will finally bring down this administration, we have been wrong — and so far, it doesn’t appear that this will ultimately succeed either.

About the first: Yes, percentages matter more if you’re talking about market share, but if you’re talking about ego and fucking things up, those numbers matter. There are also mechanisms built into the market to keep it from dropping like it did on Oct 22. So, it can never again be a percentage to percentage comparison.

Comparisons to the flu can only get you so far as well. We have vaccines for the flu. We have some level of known immunity. We’ve had flu epidemics wipe out large numbers of people before, partially leaving people who were somewhat immune. The spread of the coronavirus is just getting started.

The flu isn’t going to end Trump’s term unless it incapacitates Trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:09:58pm

re: #37 Ace-o-aces

True, but Trump does seem to be doing his damndest to fuck this up. Only thing worse he could do right now is put Mike “heck-of-a-job-brownie” Brown in charge of the response.

He could do worse than that. He could send out his Pulpit Pimps to pray the virus away!

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:11:20pm

The Bishop doesn’t seem to like them:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:15:26pm

re: #25 Hecuba’s daughter

This market will all recover quickly if the coronavirus threat dissipates for this year

Some would say that a correction was needed anyway. That fundamentals (high deficits combined with slow actual growth) were going to work against the equity markets anyway, not to mention the various global vicissitudes .

And US elections bring with them volatility. Notice how the housing market has slowed tremendously, especially for pricier properties. I’ve been watching the San Diego property market for the past 18 months or so, and sales have been declining, and prices. This is a real slowdown, not just one in response to a tight mortgage market, as mortgage rates are still low.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:20:46pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:21:15pm

Indonesia’s market falling again:

Trading suspension looms as Indonesian stocks plunge another 4%

That market is down about as much as the US equity markets.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:24:37pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

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Y’know, Marco, perhaps Trump’s response to a very real health crisis wouldn’t be treated as a political matter if A) he didn’t keep blaming Democrats for his failure to act and B) he treated Ebola as a political matter to bash Obama with.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:26:56pm

School in Buxton remains closed over parent with coronavirus

350 pupils at a school in Buxton will be staying away from classes for another day, after a parent tested positive for the coronavirus COVID-19.

Burbage Primary was shut yesterday as a ‘precautionary measure’ so a deep clean can be carried out. It is due to reopen on Monday. A GP surgery was closed as well.

The infected parent had recently returned from a trip to Tenerife. They are now being treated in a specialist hospital unit in Liverpool.

Tenerife is the site of a hotel that was quarantined. However, there is no mention in the article about whether the parent was part of the quarantine in that hotel.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:35:59pm

Coronavirus: Some Britons on lockdown at Tenerife hotel allowed to leave

Some British tourists are being allowed to leave a Tenerife hotel which has been on lockdown after four Italian guests, including a doctor, tested positive for the new coronavirus.

The Britons are among 130 people out of more than 700 tourists at the four-star H10 Costa Adeje Palace who can now depart the complex.

[…]

A spokesman for the regional government said: “All these tourists, clients, guests present no symptoms … and a decision has been made that frees the hotel from the presence of 130 people.

[…]

Pressed on whether there would be an evacuation flight for Britons, the spokesman said: “We base all our decisions on medical and scientific advice and everything is kept under review.”

Meanwhile, one of two new cases of COVID-19 in the UK is from Derbyshire and they became infected while in Tenerife.

It’s still not clear from these articles if the case in Buxton is from one of the 130 released from the hotel, or if the Brit was just staying at another hotel.

Regardless, it is clear that giving the “clear” sign and letting people leave the island resulted in an infected person ending up in the UK.

This ought to give everyone pause: just because one is cleared to leave a quarantine does not mean they are not infected.

Combine this with the case in Japan where a woman infected was thought recovered, only to find out she is either reinfected or was never really recovered, and it seems that COVID-19 has some nasty tricks.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:41:32pm

This all seems so wrong in so many ways:

Friend of 32nd coronavirus case quarantined in Kaohsiung after showing symptoms

An acquaintance of Taiwan’s 32nd case of novel coronavirus (COVID-19) was placed in a negative-pressure isolated ward in Kaohsiung on Wednesday (Feb. 26) after feeling unwell.

On Wednesday, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) confirmed that the country’s 32nd coronavirus patient is an undocumented Indonesian who has been working illegally as a caregiver in several northern Taiwan hospitals. Later, the CDC also made public the patient’s movements in recent days, revealing that she had been to numerous public areas in greater Taipei, including Longshan Temple, Shilin Night Market, Taipei City Mall, and New Taipei City’s Dongsheng Park, getting around on buses, the MRT, and Taiwan Railways Administration trains.

[…]

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uriel  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:51:17pm

Good lord that’s…

Beautiful.

(ETA: does anyone have an extra pencil?)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 27, 2020 • 9:57:19pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2020 • 10:01:04pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2020 • 10:05:59pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 27, 2020 • 10:09:09pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Trump is a counterpuncher in the same way an angry, drunk man hitting his partner for pointing out he’s angry and drunk is a counterpuncher.

If everything merits the same level of retaliation, then it’s a vice not a strategy.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2020 • 10:14:23pm

re: #52 The Ghost of a Flea

Trump is a counterpuncher in the same way an angry, drunk man hitting his partner for pointing out he’s angry and drunk is a counterpuncher.

If everything merits the same level of retaliation, then it’s a vice not a strategy.

Outside of the boxing context it is pretty much exclusively the language of DARVO. In that in practice it cedes the idea that any combat was mutual.

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uriel  Feb 27, 2020 • 10:18:30pm

re: #52 The Ghost of a Flea

Trump is a counterpuncher in the same way an angry, drunk man hitting his partner for pointing out he’s angry and drunk is a counterpuncher.

If everything merits the same level of retaliation, then it’s a vice not a strategy.

That’s *really* good.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 27, 2020 • 10:23:52pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

Outside of the boxing context it is pretty much exclusively the language of DARVO. In that in practice it cedes the idea that any combat was mutual.

Well, I think it’s a big part of why Trump appeals to who he appeals to.

Whatever their precise hangup is, his base are people who like the idea of hitting and always declaring self-defense. That’s what they want to do in their lives, because they’ve got cruelty to offload on some target.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 27, 2020 • 10:34:30pm

re: #55 The Ghost of a Flea

Well, I think it’s a big part of why Trump appeals to who he appeals to.

Whatever their precise hangup is, his base are people who like the idea of hitting and always declaring self-defense. That’s what they want to do in their lives, because they’ve got cruelty to offload on some target.

That is so true. If you could hear the callers we deal with at work who endlessly BS about how they hate the N-CLANGS on welfare…while they are yelling about their Social Security or Supplemental Security checks…

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 27, 2020 • 10:42:30pm

What if governments stop reporting on cases or deaths attributed to coronavirus? They could very well get away with this — at least for the time needed for the stock market to recover and help re-elect Trump. Given that most cases are mild, this disease could blend in with the flu. If there were suddenly 100,000 cases here and 2,000 deaths that were added to the flu statistics, no one would be the wiser. Do you really think that the Trump administration isn’t capable of concealing the truth?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 27, 2020 • 10:44:04pm

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

What if governments stop reporting on cases or deaths attributed to coronavirus? They could very well get away with this — at least for the time needed for the stock market to recover and help re-elect Trump. Given that most cases are mild, this disease could blend in with the flu. If there were suddenly 100,000 cases here and 2,000 deaths that were added to the flu statistics, no one would be the wiser. Do you really think that the Trump administration isn’t capable of concealing the truth?

You can count on the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine getting cranked up to 11 to lie to the marks!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2020 • 11:02:58pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2020 • 11:12:24pm

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

Do you really think that the Trump administration isn’t capable of concealing the truth?

For eight more months? No. For one thing, they’d have to shut down updates to the Death Master File, which I think would be impossible to do without setting off mass panic.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 27, 2020 • 11:17:25pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

For eight more months? No. For one thing, he’d have to shut down updates to the Death Master File, which I think would be impossible to do without setting off mass panic.

You don’t need to conceal deaths — just attribute them to the flu or pneumonia. There are 2.8 million deaths in a year in the United States. An extra 2,000 or even 10,000 deaths would not cause a blip in the statistics.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2020 • 11:27:18pm

re: #61 Hecuba’s daughter

You don’t need to conceal deaths — just attribute them to the flu or pneumonia. There are 2.8 million deaths in a year in the United States. An extra 2,000 or even 10,000 deaths would not cause a blip in the statistics.

Unfortunately that range strikes me as optimistic. If the 2% mortality rate holds over time then for every 0.01% of the American population that get it, 654 people will die.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 27, 2020 • 11:28:16pm

re: #61 Hecuba’s daughter

You don’t need to conceal deaths — just attribute them to the flu or pneumonia. There are 2.8 million deaths in a year in the United States. An extra 2,000 or even 10,000 deaths would not cause a blip in the statistics.

By getting every medical professional in the US to go along?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2020 • 11:42:23pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 27, 2020 • 11:48:16pm

re: #63 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

By getting every medical professional in the US to go along?

You need to test for coronavirus — and it’s not as though every hospital has the kit to perform this test. It would not be unreasonable for hospitals to attribute deaths to the flu because the symptoms are similar. For now, there are few cases and these can disappear among the millions of flu sufferers. I am skeptical that the published records across the world are being updated accurately — and we really don’t have a good grasp on mortality rate.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2020 • 12:13:53am

re: #65 Hecuba’s daughter

You need to test for coronavirus — and it’s not as though every hospital has the kit to perform this test. It would not be unreasonable for hospitals to attribute deaths to the flu because the symptoms are similar. For now, there are few cases and these can disappear among the millions of flu sufferers. I am skeptical that the published records across the world are being updated accurately — and we really don’t have a good grasp on mortality rate.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2020 • 12:14:55am

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2020 • 12:26:20am

Coronavirus is not the catastrophe of Contagion. It is not spreading rapidly, and its lethality may be significantly less than the reported 2%. Daily deaths have been dropping and the daily number of new cases is level or falling. By next week, (ugh) Trump may again be able to crow about the market.

There will eventually be a true deadly pandemic — but this isn’t it. And it’s clear we are not ready to handle one.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2020 • 12:34:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 12:44:43am

re: #27 Belafon

My son started this, so we finished:

Swims upstream to breed: Spawn Mulaney

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2020 • 12:45:54am

Sound it out in your heads, because I think I’m right here

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 12:48:00am

re: #38 Belafon

About the first: Yes, percentages matter more if you’re talking about market share, but if you’re talking about ego and fucking things up, those numbers matter.

Yes, I have never seen a President who makes such a personal issue out of the stock market index and is so eager to take credit for its gains…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 12:52:28am

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

Americans Avoiding Corona Beer

This appeared some weeks ago on the German version of the onion

“Beer changes name to avoid association with Corona virus”

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Teukka  Feb 28, 2020 • 1:05:00am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This appeared some weeks ago on the German version of the onion

“Beer changes name to avoid association with Corona virus”

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Also, have you heard the company behind Corona Beer is offering US$ 15 mn for anyone who can get the virus named “Bud Light Virus”? ///

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 1:06:29am

re: #74 Teukka

Also, have you heard the company behind Corona Beer is offering US$ 15 mn for anyone who can get the virus named “Bud Light Virus”? ///

Tsing Tao virus

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2020 • 1:28:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 1:30:04am

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

The same people responsible for this failure of government will claim the failure they engineered is proof that government always fails, then use it as a rationale to further erode our government, ensuring further more dire failures.

Tax cuts generate deficits so they have further excuse for cutting budgets for social programs and anything that is not military spending or corporate subsidy.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2020 • 1:30:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 2:06:06am

CDC designed and released a flawed test. Private Industry would design and release a test that costs $X to produce but sells at $250X because it is a monopoly…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 2:24:28am

DOW Futures -451.00 (-1.77%)

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2020 • 2:36:03am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

CDC designed and released a flawed test. Private Industry would design and release a test that costs $X to produce but sells at $250X because it is a monopoly…

The problem seems to at least partially be that they never actually “released” it. That’s one of California’s complaints, that the major labs in the UC system aren’t allowed to do the tests. Although I have to admit I’m not sure exactly what “allowed” means in this context. Whether the CDC had some legal / intellectual property claim that controlled this testing or whether they simply wouldn’t pay for them to be conducted at outside facilities, I don’t know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 2:38:26am

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

The problem seems to at least partially be that they never actually “released” it. That’s one of California’s complaints, that the major labs in the UC system aren’t allowed to do the tests. Although I have to admit I’m not sure exactly what “allowed” means in this context. Whether the CDC had some legal / intellectual property claim that controlled this testing or whether they simply wouldn’t pay for them to be conducted at outside facilities, I don’t know.

Irrelevant. GOVERNMENT IS INCOMPETENT. FREE MARKET ALL THE WAY!!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2020 • 2:39:42am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 28, 2020 • 2:50:44am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2020 • 2:56:05am

Everything’s super cool guys

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Dave In Austin  Feb 28, 2020 • 3:25:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:00:26am

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Hey guys, a NATO country is at war with Russia, sorry to interrupt:

The nuance is that they are attacking Turkish forces located in a non-NATO third country, not attacking Turkey itself.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:28:58am

‘‘Tis the season for Irish soda bread. My local bakery makes the most delicious bread.

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Chrysicat  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:32:12am

Catching up after sleeping since 22:00, not least because I can’t easily get back to sleep as whenever I try to swallow some swollen throat tissue starts blocking my airway:

re: #159 The Pie Overlord!

UUCCCH ZAYDIE YOU’RE EMBARRASSING US!

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:34:06am

re: #89 Chrysicat

Have you had it looked at?

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Chrysicat  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:41:15am

re: #90 Shropshire Slasher

Have you had it looked at?

TW: gross

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I probably just need more discipline to not act on my body’s “swallow now, idiot!” signals, basically.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:44:51am

Biden has surged in the SC polling, making a win for him there near certain, keeping him alive going into Super Tuesday. fivethirtyeight.com

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:46:09am

re: #91 Chrysicat

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:48:12am

It’s increasingly likely I will get to cast a meaningful vote in Ky’s May primary. Probably will be choosing between Sanders or Biden, unless one of the other candidates has a surprisingly strong showing on Tuesday.

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steve_davis  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:50:35am

re: #11 jaunte

I’m not saying it’s a well-thought-out plan, but that would be characteristic.

as i tell my students, don’t blame on conspiracy what can more easily be explained as incompetence.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:50:40am

re: #30 Belafon

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The one thing I wished I had realized as a teen was how much Libertarianism plays directly into supporting Institutionalized Racism- not by chance, but by design.

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steve_davis  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:55:34am

re: #20 makeitstop

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yeah, quicken thinks I’m still up a bit, but that’s mostly because I had a bank exchange old shares of somebody else for its own, and quicken treats that as though the new shares just magically fell into my lap. I assume I’m actually negative here, putting me pretty much back where I was in the middle of 2018.

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Chrysicat  Feb 28, 2020 • 4:59:06am
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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:07:51am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I got nothing new. The markets continue their volatile turn south, Trump and Pence are too busy with fundraisers to do their day jobs, and incompetence remains the hallmark of the Trump response to everything when not actively sabotaging functioning government.

Is it worrying that the CDC test wasn’t accurate? Yes. Was that also a possibility? Also yes. In the rush to get a test out there, they didn’t get it completely right, which means you’ll get false positive/negative results.

China continues refining their own tests, which also affects the numbers of cases and the possible mortality rate. But we’re also seeing the number of cases rise worldwide. So while the number of cases appears to be declining in China where draconian methods are being used to contain cases, it’s on the rise everywhere else.

700+ in NY are being asked to self-isolate. 8000 people are being monitored in California. Hospitals are now trying to safeguard protective gear because of concerns that staff may be trying to steal them for personal use.

Trump isn’t assuring anyone with his nonsensical word salad ramblings and Pence isn’t any better. All messaging going through the WH is the worst possible way of dealing with the crisis, since the point is to limit the damage to Trump politically, and public safety isn’t even a secondary consideration.

NY officials are running through scenarios that include even school and business closures to contain and limit the spread of the disease.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:09:23am

Governor of Hokkaido, Japan’s northernmost island, has declared a state of emergency and is asking residents to stay home this weekend. Hokkaido has by far the most confirmed cases of coronavirus in Japan.

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Chrysicat  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:14:36am
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SteelPH  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:19:16am

re: #101 Chrysicat

I’m oh so amused that these so-called football fans forget the existence of a rather prominent former Lions running back.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:20:27am

re: #92 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I wonder why Steyer is doing so well in those SC polls??

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:21:51am

re: #100 Barefoot Grin

Governor of Hokkaido, Japan’s northernmost island, has declared a state of emergency and is asking residents to stay home this weekend. Hokkaido has by far the most confirmed cases of coronavirus in Japan.

odd, as Hokkaido is the most isolated and least densely populated part of Japan…

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Chrysicat  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:22:27am

re: #102 SteelPH

I’m oh so amused that these so-called football fans forget the existence of a rather prominent former Lions running back.

Worse yet, his concert tonight was in Detroit, which is why Brooks thought to pander by wearing Sanders’s jersey in the first place and not an Emmitt Smith or something.

Also:

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SteelPH  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:24:15am

re: #105 Chrysicat

Sanders v Sanders would be quite the primary.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:24:25am

re: #99 lawhawk

Is it worrying that the CDC test wasn’t accurate? Yes. Was that also a possibility? Also yes. In the rush to get a test out there, they didn’t get it completely right, which means you’ll get false positive/negative results.

China continues refining their own tests, which also affects the numbers of cases and the possible mortality rate. But we’re also seeing the number of cases rise worldwide. So while the number of cases appears to be declining in China where draconian methods are being used to contain cases, it’s on the rise everywhere else.

….

The number of reported deaths by day has dropped significantly, except for Iran which remains a real outlier. If the CDC test is so flawed, what are the other nations doing? Obviously China has their own tests but everyone else? Does WHO have a test? How is this being measured?

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jeffreyw  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:24:52am

OK.. Which one of you peckerwoods said that?

Good morning!

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lizardofid  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:26:26am

re: #102 SteelPH

I’m oh so amused that these so-called football fans forget the existence of a rather prominent former Lions running back.

The only reason Barry doesn’t own all the rushing records, is because he chose not too.

(In my opinion) : )

Oh, good morning!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:32:48am

re: #102 SteelPH

I’m oh so amused that these so-called football fans forget the existence of a rather prominent former Lions running back.

No kidding. Guy is considered the best ever at his position.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:36:06am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

odd, as Hokkaido is the most isolated and least densely populated part of Japan…

Yes, I don’t know what accounts for it.

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Chrysicat  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:36:28am

re: #110 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No kidding. Guy is considered the best ever at his position.

Jim Brown and Terrell Davis supporters may both try to pick that bone with you, but yes, he’s unquestionably up there and shouldn’t be forgotten.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:39:51am

re: #92 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Why is Steyer polling so well?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:46:07am

re: #112 Chrysicat

Jim Brown and Terrell Davis supporters may both try to pick that bone with you, but yes, he’s unquestionably up there and shouldn’t be forgotten.

Yeah forgot about Brown. Disagree about Davis though he carried Elway to his two SBs.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:46:44am

re: #113 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Why is Steyer polling so well?

BeachDem has told me he’s out tons of money there for ads.

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Chrysicat  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:50:41am

Wrong tweet.

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Chrysicat  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:51:47am

re: #116 Chrysicat

Wrong tweet.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:57:57am

re: #103 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I wonder why Steyer is doing so well in those SC polls??

Because he spent a gazillion dollars there to increase his name recognition.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 28, 2020 • 5:58:14am

re: #115 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

and in Alabama

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:01:54am

re: #118 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Because he spent a gazillion dollars there to increase his name recognition.

Ok. But I wonder if the popularity polling will translate into votes on Saturday.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:02:51am

re: #120 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Ok. But I wonder if the popularity polling will translate into votes on Saturday.

I think he will underperform his polls because he’s not a known quantity politically.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:04:23am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:11:05am

Market fixing to open
DOW Futures -414.00 (-1.62%)

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sagehen  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:11:44am
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jaunte  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:12:03am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:12:43am

re: #123 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Market fixing to open
DOW Futures -414.00 (-1.62%)

On the bright side, at around 4 AM it was down almost 725 points
So, there is that

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:15:09am

re: #126 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

On the bright side, at around 4 AM it was down almost 725 points
So, there is that

The stocks need to quit disrespecting Trump!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:15:12am

Yahoo Finance has nearly shut down. I’m wondering if all the folks refreshing constantly is having the same effect as a DOS attack

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:16:23am

re: #119 BlueSpotinAL

and in Alabama

Haven’t seen his ads here in Va.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:17:58am

-The entire GOP is now just a base of reality tv fans

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:19:44am

Shocked, shocked I say

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:20:10am

re: #130 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

-The entire GOP is now just a base of reality tv fans

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Of course a guy who runs a pawn shop loves the GOP

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:21:19am

re: #130 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

-The entire GOP is now just a base of reality tv fans

Makes sense. Their leader is the ultimate Reality TV star.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:22:37am

re: #131 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Top Navy and Marine Corps leaders say they weren’t consulted before billions in military spending was pulled to pay for the border wall

Like anything else, Trump looks on the military merely as a source of potential funding.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:24:55am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:29:26am
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jaunte  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:30:53am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:30:53am

Dow opening down 600 points, now below 25k.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:31:38am

re: #138 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Dow opening down 600 points, now below 25k.

The economy is going to be an issue this fall. That’s the one thing Trump really had going for him. FYI, I don’t believe the economy has ever been as strong as Trump sells it but he definitely was going to run on it, now it might be more difficult.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:31:47am

WOW
DOW Futures closes down -605
Market opens with DOW crashing down -754

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:31:47am

re: #96 Florida Panhandler

The one thing I wished I had realized as a teen was how much Libertarianism plays directly into supporting Institutionalized Racism- not by chance, but by design.

Libertarianism** is a good foundation to go right into “Fuck you, I have mine. And keep your hands off it!” mode. It feeds directly into all sorts of personal space things like privacy, a sense of having earned things, distrust of government/taxes, and even a general paranoia about the “other” coming to get your cookie.

And it’s probably a better fit for the human psyche* than what is needed for things like communism or anarchy systems to have a chance to actually succeed.

* - Especially in people who have probably never faced serious want or a need for group cooperation in order to survive.

** - It’s also essentially a parasite system since a society will never develop from the ground up following its precepts. At best you’ll probably get a region beset with small warring factions. (Somalia or rural Afghanistan might be a reasonable example.)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:33:08am

re: #140 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Probably a good time to go look for bargains.

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jaunte  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:33:23am

“Stop broadcasting our incompetence!!!”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:33:44am

re: #141 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Libertarianism** is a good foundation to go right into “Fuck you, I have mine. And keep your hands off it!” mode. It feeds directly into all sorts of personal space things like privacy, a sense of having earned things, distrust of government/taxes, and even a general paranoia about the “other” coming to get your cookie.

And it’s probably a better fit for the human psyche* than what is needed for things like communism or anarchy systems to have a chance to actually succeed.

* - Especially in people who have probably never faced serious want or a need for group cooperation in order to survive.

** - It’s also essentially a parasite system since a society will never develop from the ground up following its precepts. At best you’ll probably get a region beset with small warring factions. (Somalia or rural Afghanistan might be a reasonable example.)

Libertarians are just Marxists who hate any form of government intervention in the economy. The funniest thing is they think they’re the smart ones and everyone else is a dumbass.

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sagehen  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:34:03am

re: #98 Chrysicat

And every ancestor I have back to 1870 was at least “white enough to pass”, with 15 of the 16 then living unquestionably also doing so in Europe…

One of my grandfathers (his parents were immigrants from Romania) used to claim that one of his grandmothers was Ethiopian… but it’s possible he was joking/lying.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:34:26am

re: #143 jaunte

“Stop broadcasting our incompetence!!!”

CPAC:
Conservatives
Pouting
Always
Constantly.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:34:53am

re: #99 lawhawk

I am essentially operating under the assumption that the virus has made its way into Philadelphia already and will probably spread outward locally from there over the next couple of weeks. Just that the cases have not been detected yet.

So I have a small stockpile of food, water, necessary medicines, and pet food for a few weeks. And I am being very picky about when and where I go out to.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:35:03am

re: #138 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Dow opening down 600 points, now below 25k.

DOW futures and DOW aren’t the same.
Even starting down around -750, DOW was still above 25,000

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:35:26am

re: #141 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Libertarianism** is a good foundation to go right into “Fuck you, I have mine. And keep your hands off it!” mode. It feeds directly into all sorts of personal space things like privacy, a sense of having earned things, distrust of government/taxes, and even a general paranoia about the “other” coming to get your cookie.

If we were all hatched out as fully formed adults, ready to be fitted with a basic education chip and sent out to realize our potential as free individuals in a competitive marketplace, then I could begin to understand Libertarianism or Ayn Randism.

But we are born dependent, and spend our first years and often many of our last years dependent on others. We are not born as isolated individuals, but as a part of a family, which is usually part of some larger social/ethnic group.

I want a society that takes these notions into consideration and is not just based on some abstract concept of individual freedom vs government control.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:37:28am

re: #114 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah forgot about Brown. Disagree about Davis though he carried Elway to his two SBs.

I concur about Brown. Not so much about Davis. The latter had too short of a career and the Denver offensive line showed with others that they could get just about any running back a 1000 yard rushing season.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:39:33am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we were all hatched out as fully formed adults, ready to be fitted with an education ship and sent out to realize our potential as individuals on a competitive marketplace, then I could begin to understand Libertarianism or Ayn Randism.

But we are born dependent, and spend our first years and often many of our last years dependent on others. We are not born as isolated individuals, but as a part of a family, which is usually part of some larger social/ethnic group.

I want a society that takes these notions into consideration and is not just based on some abstract concept of individual freedom vs government control.

You could say the same thing about outright socialism too. The thing about objectivists like their socialist fraternal twins is they’re all about their theory at the expense of real life data and observations. I’m a Keynesian in big part because I believe you need to look at data and what’s really going on in society.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:40:11am

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

There are times when I shouldn’t watch MSNBC. I don’t know when they will come. But the conversation between Lawrence and a California congressman whose district is where a C-virus sufferer showed up, a pandemic specialist, and Ned Price was one of those times. It’s clear that there are absolutely no plans in place for anything. And as Ned Price said, “the world is watching how America deals with this.”

They should probably look elsewhere for a mentor.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:40:57am

re: #150 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I concur about Brown. Not so much about Davis. The latter had too short of a career and the Denver offensive line showed with others that they could get just about any running back a 1000 yard rushing season.

Yeah Shannahan’s teams always had consistent 1000 yard RBs. TD was the best of that bunch by far. I’d say it’s Jim or Barry. Emmitt deserves respect but I wouldn’t call him the best ever at his position. Of course, I’m all about Franco Harris and The Bus here but I’m biased.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:41:34am

re: #152 Eventual Carrion

They should probably look elsewhere for a mentor.

They should but we’re still an example to the world which is why populist isolationism nationalism is bad.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:42:40am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:45:32am

re: #143 jaunte

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“Stop broadcasting our incompetence!!!”

That’s why the ^VIX is over 40 and heading for 45. Down now -480 and sinking again.

It’s time to call out the President’s Prayer Team to lay hands on the Wall Street Bull!

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:45:43am

re: #153 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah Shannahan’s teams always had consistent 1000 yard RBs. TD was the best of that bunch by far. I’d say it’s Jim or Barry. Emmitt deserves respect but I wouldn’t call him the best ever at his position. Of course, I’m all about Franco Harris and The Bus here but I’m biased.

Barry was one of those running backs you had to catch. Emmitt was one of those that made you pay for being in front of him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:47:02am

re: #146 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

CPAC:
Conservatives
Pouting
Always
Constantly.

Ain’t nothin’ like Assholepalooza!

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:47:12am

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Zefrank provides an escape again. He has a series of “human test” to see if you are in fact human.

You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:48:07am

re: #151 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You could say the same thing about outright socialism too. The thing about objectivists like their socialist fraternal twins is they’re all about their theory at the expense of real life data and observations. I’m a Keynesian in big part because I believe you need to look at data and what’s really going on in society.

Marxists at least appreciate class affiliation as an aspect of society and economics.

And we need to consider that there is a distinction between equality of opportunity and equality before the law vs. equality of abilities and potentials, and of course, equality of wealth or resources at our disposal based on our family, class or social status.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:48:39am

re: #157 Belafon

Barry was one of those running backs you had to catch. Emmitt was one of those that made you pay for being in front of him.

Yeah different styles. I always preferred the bruisers. Loads of respect for Sanders though. He wasn’t the biggest guy even then for a RB but man he had some skills. My personal favorite RBs are Bussy and Harris. But I’m a Pittsburgh fan.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:48:51am

Dow now -602

Wondering when that automatic shutdown is going to trigger…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:49:09am

re: #159 Scottish Dragon

You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?

Don’t forget Turing’s “Imitation Game”.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:49:12am

Trump better call another emergency meeting with Diamond & Silk.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:49:20am

re: #14 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I won’t ascribe to malice what is clearly a pattern arising from incompetence.

Donald Trump became President by playing on the fears of the know-nothings. All that Trump is centers around knowing nothing. Trump has always been about lying and puffery, a facade of stardom covering up a lack of any other skill or knowledge.

Having the CDC refuse to help California in testing for COVID is malice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:49:38am

re: #162 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dow now -602

Wondering when that automatic shutdown is going to trigger…

Wall Street needs to install one on Trump’s mouth and Twitter account…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:50:13am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Marxists at least appreciate class affiliation as an aspect of society and economics.

And we need to consider that there is a distinction between equality of opportunity and equality before the law vs. equality of abilities and potentials, and of course, equality of wealth or resources at our disposal based on our family, class or social status.

The problem IMO is making economics an absolutist game. I don’t like being talked down to by people whose vision of capitalism hasn’t evolved and people whose vision of Marxism hasn’t evolved.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:50:50am

Oh -684 now…

@jack will never silence Trump because @jack is Trump’s #1 enabler!

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retired cynic  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:52:37am

re: #32 BeachDem

Pedants are us, issue 439604.

Dave Weigel’s review of the South Carolina race was pretty thorough, but he mentioned the Galivants Ferry Stump and said Joe and Pete were the only candidates still in the race who attended. I sent him an email with a picture of Amy at the Stump.

I know she’s mostly an afterthought these days, but jeez—she IS still running.

Too nit-picky? Wonder if he’ll respond (or update his article)

washingtonpost.com

Not updated at this time.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:53:57am

re: #168 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh -684 now…

@jack will never silence Trump because @jack is Trump’s #1 enabler!

It’s going to be another wild rollercoaster ride on the market today!

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:54:03am

re: #162 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dow now -602

Wondering when that automatic shutdown is going to trigger…

Under the revised rules approved by the SEC in 2012, market-wide circuit breakers kick in when the drops 7 percent (Level 1), 13 percent (Level 2), and 20 percent (Level 3) from the prior day’s close.

cnbc.com

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:56:06am

re: #143 jaunte

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“Stop broadcasting our incompetence!!!”

Interesting how events have made first the GOP and now the entire conservative movement make *everything* revolve around Trump. It’s what they have to do in order to appeal to the base since otherwise they have to own the incompetence and the fact that *they are* screwing over said base for their own profit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:56:29am

well, -800 is a 3% drop so far…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:56:45am

The drops look large but again, the percentages are not that big.

The SP500 are just back to where they were in August. That is not that long ago.

This correction is not out of place. Sure, COVID-19 precipitated it, probably, but the downward movement in prices of equities is hardly surprising.

Long have I rambled here about the problem with expecting exponential growth - and desiring any % growth annually to continue is desiring exponential growth.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:58:36am

re: #162 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gold is back down under $1620. But very sensitive to virus news and the impact of futures traders right now. On a practical note, jewelry makers are treading very carefully about when to put more gold into the production stream. Lots of pressure to pause. Best thing for real biz is stability. This ain’t it.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:58:57am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we were all hatched out as fully formed adults, ready to be fitted with an education ship and sent out to realize our potential as individuals on a competitive marketplace, then I could begin to understand Libertarianism or Ayn Randism.

But we are born dependent, and spend our first years and often many of our last years dependent on others. We are not born as isolated individuals, but as a part of a family, which is usually part of some larger social/ethnic group.

I want a society that takes these notions into consideration and is not just based on some abstract concept of individual freedom vs government control.

Precisely why I think education needs to be given higher value as well as the necessary safety nets and systems to protect our citizens (and immigrants to our society.)

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:58:57am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 6:59:23am

Is Mick still yapping ‘cause the Dow is now -890!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:01:53am

re: #167 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The problem IMO is making economics an absolutist game. I don’t like being talked down to by people whose vision of capitalism hasn’t evolved and people whose vision of Marxism hasn’t evolved.

It was Gorbachev who came to the West in the 80’s and saw how every business, even a flower shop or a building contractor, used personal computers and realized that the USSR could no longer based their model of government on restricting and containing information.

And now capitalism is not about owning factories and machines outright, capital exists predominantly in the form of licenses and patents, production is outsourced to anyone who can consistently fulfill production standards and quotas.

Modern companies lease nearly everything.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:01:54am

re: #176 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Precisely why I think education needs to be given higher value as well as the necessary safety nets and systems to protect our citizens (and immigrants to our society.)

That’s why I prefer more investment into Pre K, community colleges, & trade schools.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:02:29am

WOHOOOO
-946

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:03:59am

Dow now down over 1K.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:04:12am

re: #181 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

WOHOOOO
-946

-1043

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:04:42am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we were all hatched out as fully formed adults, ready to be fitted with a basic education chip and sent out to realize our potential as free individuals in a competitive marketplace, then I could begin to understand Libertarianism or Ayn Randism.

But we are born dependent, and spend our first years and often many of our last years dependent on others. We are not born as isolated individuals, but as a part of a family, which is usually part of some larger social/ethnic group.

I want a society that takes these notions into consideration and is not just based on some abstract concept of individual freedom vs government control.

Ayn Rand may have been a sociopath but it is possible that if she had children, she could never have developed her philosophy. It is cold, cruel, evil, and lacking in compassion, with no understanding of human nature, and no love or concern for anything outside of oneself.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:04:47am

re: #153 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah Shannahan’s teams always had consistent 1000 yard RBs. TD was the best of that bunch by far. I’d say it’s Jim or Barry. Emmitt deserves respect but I wouldn’t call him the best ever at his position. Of course, I’m all about Franco Harris and The Bus here but I’m biased.

Sanders and Walter Payton both did an awful lot without much of a supporting cast.

And the styles and environment changed in the NFL over the decades. Harris and Bettis were to a degree from different eras of the game.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:04:49am

re: #176 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Precisely why I think education needs to be given higher value as well as the necessary safety nets and systems to protect our citizens (and immigrants to our society.)

If we want politicians to “run government like a business”, then education, health care, safety and environmental protection are viewed as expenses to be cut or eliminated to increase the “bottom line”, rather than as investments in a healthier and more productive society and economy.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:05:41am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:05:55am

The problem with these market corrections is that the noise machines seek to continue the status quo, rather than look at the long-term implications of what we’re doing in “investing” in this country.

At its root I’ll call the belief in number-magic. Numbers become magical. Surely this is Trump’s belief, and he intuitively exploits it in his quest for power.

If you look at the long term price history of assets, such as equities, it is pretty clear that we’ve got an in-built desire for exponential growth. Yet that is not possible in the physical world, to continue forever, or even for much longer.

All that more exponential growth in equity prices will accomplish is to bake in that exponential growth in inflation.

A deep problem got inserted into the minds of Americans, back in the Reagan era, that if everyone just owned equities in companies that there would be some sort of magical wealth machine.

But it’s a deception. This kind of growth is just about numbers - literally digits growing.

It’s not material.

Anyway, this week’s correction still hasn’t gotten the equities back to their 2018 lows, now where near it. Maybe if the COVAD-19 continues to turn out worse and worse we could see deeper corrections in markets next week.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:06:00am

re: #183 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

-1043

Weeeeee!!!!!!!
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:06:30am

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:07:56am

I went to the grocery store yesterday to buy milk & eggs, even though this same store was Ground Zero for a measles outbreak one year ago.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:08:18am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:08:46am

re: #185 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Sanders and Walter Payton both did an awful lot without much of a supporting cast.

And the styles and environment changed in the NFL over the decades. Harris and Bettis were to a degree from different eras of the game.

Right I’m merely saying that Franco/Jerome are my personal faves. Sanders, Payton, & Brown are GOATs

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:09:22am

re: #176 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Precisely why I think education needs to be given higher value as well as the necessary safety nets and systems to protect our citizens (and immigrants to our society.)

Teaching is the most important non-parent job. We should spend more on salaries and on education in general. And my one requirement when I personally make all education paid by taxes is that trade schools will be required to teach courses on government and economics.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:09:52am

re: #146 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

CPAC:
Conservatives
Pouting
About
Coverage.

Closer to it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:10:14am

re: #187 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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The hostility many of them have to older people disgusts me. Not just because I lost my grandma recently but because my grandparents as a whole really helped shape me politically directly and indirectly.

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:10:31am

Don’t know if this was posted, but I found it very moving:

Harvard Model Congress 2020 Closing Ceremonies Speech

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:11:01am

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:12:07am
At least 5 from Diamond Princess cruise have died

Wow, talk about your commitment to hating Trump! They went all in to make him look bad!!!

cnn.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:12:21am

re: #194 Belafon

Teaching is the most important non-parent job. We should spend more on salaries and on education in general. And my one requirement when I personally make all education paid by taxes is that trade schools will be required to teach courses on government and economics.

I’m FB friends with two of my teachers. The one is still doing the things that inspired me to a new generation by bringing current events to his students and making history relatable. He wrote a book about his teaching experiences as well. He’s as much a mentor as my mom, dad, & grandparents. People who hate educators don’t get that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:13:14am

re: #165 Scottish Dragon

Having the CDC refuse to help California in testing for COVID is malice.

Wasn’t that the CDC didn’t help out because the patient did not meet their criteria for testing? An ill-advised decision — but that doesn’t seem to fit the definition of malice.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:13:27am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we want politicians to “run government like a business”, then education, health care, safety and environmental protection are viewed as expenses to be cut or eliminated to increase the “bottom line”, rather than as investments in a healthier and more productive society and economy.

Which gets you to “third world” status really fast. And you really don’t save money that way since you now need to invest in security, police, etc. since your underpaid workers have little/no incentive to be productive, and probably steal everything they can to survive. And your equipment and product is probably stolen or vandalized the moment you aren’t looking. Plus you need to worry about shipments getting hijacked and taken for sale in a black market.

Plus your executives probably have to live in armed and fortified enclaves, travel with bodyguards, and worry about being kidnapped. Or being in the wrong place at the wrong time and getting lynched by an angry mob. (And this would be the world of “no go” zones.)

I’d rather pay the taxes and live in a relatively safe, open, and educated society than have more personal money and live in a place one small step from being a war zone.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:13:37am

^VIX now over 45…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:13:53am

re: #189 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

Beware of falling stockbrokers.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:14:57am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:16:12am

Herman Cain time ‘cause it’s -999!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:16:32am

Getting back to the markets - when most people buy stock they are gambling. That’s gambling… like with the lottery. Not investing.

This is best seen by looking at the P/E ratios. It’s very old fashion of me to stress P/E ratios. Because new-fangled investment schemes are built to sell gambling, not investing.

Gambling with stocks is simply this: you’re betting you are buying or selling (or in the futures market also selling then buying) at a time where you are going to outsmart the next guy who comes along. This is poker, but with stock certs instead of French playing cards.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:17:38am

And even though I’m not religious I get how clergy too play a role in our lives too which is why the abuse of kids by any religious leader should bother us all regardless of our ties to that religion or denomination.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:19:13am

I am expecting to Trump to fire Jerome Powell any moment because he thinks that will “fix” the market.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:20:04am

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

I am expecting to Trump to fire Jerome Powell any moment because he thinks that will “fix” the market.

It would be true to form.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:21:53am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:23:08am

re: #105 Chrysicat

Worse yet, his concert tonight was in Detroit, which is why Brooks thought to pander by wearing Sanders’s jersey in the first place and not an Emmitt Smith or something.

Also:

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I’d vote for him over Trump.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:24:13am

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

I am expecting to Trump to fire Jerome Powell any moment because he thinks that will “fix” the market.

Wonder whether it will be Diamond or Silk who will be appointed Acting Fed Chair?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:24:25am

re: #211 Dr Lizardo

Sanity break.

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Jordan Peele may be one of the most versatile people in film today. I’m watching Hunters right now that he also produced. He’s someone I would love to talk film with. Him and Scorsese and Tarantino. That would be a round table since it’s obvious they’re both movie fans as much as their audience.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:24:37am

re: #213 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

Wonder whether it will be Diamond or Silk who will be appointed Acting Fed Chair?

Ivanka.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:25:12am

re: #207 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Getting back to the markets - when most people buy stock they are gambling. That’s gambling… like with the lottery. Not investing.

This is best seen by looking at the P/E ratios. It’s very old fashion of me to stress P/E ratios. Because new-fangled investment schemes are built to sell gambling, not investing.

Gambling with stocks is simply this: you’re betting you are buying or selling (or in the futures market also selling then buying) at a time where you are going to outsmart the next guy who comes along. This is poker, but with stock certs instead of French playing cards.

Yep. Playing the market for stocks gaining value and then selling is the “new” style of the past couple of decades. There are still stocks that can be held for dividend value, but they tend to be expensive per share and thus not ones to buy for change in value investing.

And, from there you also get into messing with options and futures where you’re not buying the stock or item, but simply the option to do so within a time period for a certain price. It is essentially gambling that you can predict where the market values will go. (Of course, if you’re a corrupt or cheating SOB you do crap like insider trading or attempted manipulation via the media or other reporting.)

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:25:34am

re: #214 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Jordan Peele may be one of the most versatile people in film today. I’m watching Hunters right now that he also produced. He’s someone I would love to talk film with. Him and Scorsese and Tarantino. That would be a round table since it’s obvious they’re both movie fans as much as their audience.

Peele, Scorsese and Tarantino? Hell yeah. I’d love to be there too.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:25:51am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

Ivanka.

The smart money would be on Lou Dobbs being appointed Acting Fed Chair.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:26:27am

re: #218 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

The smart money would be on Lou Dobbs being appointed Acting Fed Chair.

LOLOL we’re all gonna die.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:27:01am

Hey did Cokehead Kudlow pop up on the tube telling people to buy stocks yet?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:27:47am

re: #208 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And even though I’m not religious I get how clergy too play a role in our lives too which is why the abuse of kids by any religious leader should bother us all regardless of our ties to that religion or denomination.

Which is why I think the various denominations should have a much greater interest in cracking down and rooting this stuff out rather than covering it up. If you claim the high moral ground for yourself than act like you deserve to actually have it. Otherwise it’s hypocrisy of the first order and blatant proof that you don’t deserve the respect or deferential treatment that your organization claims is its right by default.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:28:18am

re: #220 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey did Cokehead Kudlow pop up on the tube telling people to buy stocks yet?

He’s too busy trying to prove that cocaine prevents contracting the Coronavirus.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:29:56am

re: #217 Dr Lizardo

Peele, Scorsese and Tarantino? Hell yeah. I’d love to be there too.

Someone should try to arrange that. It’d be a hell of a conversation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:34:02am

DOW seems to fluctuating between “Down a lot”, “Down a hell of a lot” and “Holy shit, we’re going over the cliff again!”

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:34:32am

re: #223 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Someone should try to arrange that. It’d be a hell of a conversation.

God yes.

I remember when I saw Kill Bill Vol. 1, I was giggling with glee as Tarantino had thrown in damn near every existing genre he’s a fan of, from Hong Kong action cinema to spaghetti Westerns to revenge flicks to anime. It was glorious.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:34:39am

Someone has to get whacked today. I’ll go with Tricky Micky.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:37:28am

re: #224 Eclectic Cyborg

DOW seems to fluctuating between “Down a lot”, “Down a hell of a lot” and “Holy shit, we’re going over the cliff again!”

We were long overdue for a correction and this has been the perfect excuse for them to have one. I think we aren’t even at the point yet where the players are even looking at the big virus picture, this was just time to cash out and enter a new reset mode.

Of course, I know nothing lol.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:38:04am

re: #226 Ace Rothstein

Someone has to get whacked today. I’ll go with Tricky Micky.

First guy who sneezes gets fired.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:38:39am

re: #228 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

First guy who sneezes gets fired.

First one to stop clapping.

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plansbandc  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:38:56am

The propaganda is, of course, working like a charm. The R’s on my facebook believe the virus is no worse than a cold, and that the death toll is fake news.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:39:56am

re: #108 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Shhh! I’m trying to nap!

Friday is nap day.
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:40:12am

re: #230 plansbandc

The propaganda is, of course, working like a charm. The R’s on my facebook believe the virus is no worse than a cold, and that the death toll is fake news.

The propaganda is so dangerous.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:40:46am

re: #232 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And literally deadly.

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plansbandc  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:41:55am

re: #231 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Ooh what pretty little fellows.

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Interesting Times  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:42:30am

If you were wondering how things could possibly get worse…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:43:30am

Kaine just endorsed Biden. He usually has his finger on Virginia Dems. He early endorsed Obama and Clinton both, who won big here.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:43:47am

re: #233 Ace Rothstein

And literally deadly.

Yep.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:44:57am

re: #213 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

Wonder whether it will be Diamond or Silk who will be appointed Acting Fed Chair?

Cubic zirconia and Polyester will be heading up HHS efforts to combat COVID 19, pancreatic cancer, and syphilis (personal request from Shitler).

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:45:01am

re: #223 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Someone should try to arrange that. It’d be a hell of a conversation.

I’d be bored silly by two of them and don’t know the third. Sorry. I especially dislike Tarantino whom I consider to be a hack violence pornographer with nothing new to say.

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mmmirele  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:45:03am

re: #122 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Just in time for Daylight Saving Time and my move back one hour at work. (Why yes, I work 7 am to 4 pm PT but I live in MST, so currently working 8 to 5.) The grocery store doesn’t open until 7 am, so either have to make it myself or buy the bag o’ bacon.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:47:05am

Dow just dipped down to 24,787, i.e., back to the same mark in May 2019.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:47:09am

re: #239 William Lewis

I’d be bored silly by two of them and don’t know the third. Sorry. I especially dislike Tarantino whom I consider to be a hack violence pornographer with nothing new to say.

Fair enough. We have different tastes. Mostly I’d be interested in hearing what they say about other films. Peele though has done everything from comedy to horror and he’s doing a Twilight Zone reboot too.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:47:52am

re: #177 Belafon

Full turnout for blacks would result in +9 million net Democratic votes. Full turnout by whites would result in +5.4 million net Republican votes. nytimes.com

I don’t know what planet they’re living on. I’ve been working on voter registration in “underrepresented” groups since 2017.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:52:33am

re: #192 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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You can literally fact check every claim Meme in about 5 minutes. Then algorithm the shit out of that meme. that takes a FB Employee level coder another 5 minutes max. Done.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:54:42am

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:55:06am

re: #187 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Disabled Twitter has long noted that a lot of progressives, especially those that call themselves environmentalists, are secretly eugenicists. The mask has slipped a lot over the past few years.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:57:45am

re: #245 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2020 • 7:58:07am

re: #243 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

I don’t know what planet they’re living on. I’ve been working on voter registration in “underrepresented” groups since 2017.

Even in states like Illinois where you don’t lose your franchise after you die 😉, many poor African American voters cannot vote because they don’t have a fixed residence or are forced to move frequently. This needs to be remedied.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:00:38am

re: #245 Joe Bacon 🌹

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My heart condition has nothing to do with religion but nice try Mike, maybe if you ever get sick, people should blame you for not praying enough.

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jaunte  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:02:58am

re: #245 Joe Bacon 🌹

Pence and his fellow Republicans hoodwinking the religious right don’t even believe this or they would forego insurance and doctors altogether.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:03:09am

re: #245 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Only when weekly tithings in their churches start to go down from falling attendance (contagion fear) will Pence and his religious zealot Minister supporters start demanding and implementing more government activity to use actual science to fix this situation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:03:38am

re: #245 Joe Bacon 🌹

“People who lead Godly lives don’t worry about doctors”

I’ve been a church leader for seven years now. If it weren’t for doctors I would have DIED two years ago when my appendix exploded.

I’m all about living like Jesus but DOCTORS EXIST FOR A FREAKING REASON!

Good grief.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:04:45am

This thread is brutal and it underscores my own experience in food service. People in food service keep working while they are sick. It isn’t just fast food, either. High end restaurants are nearly always understaffed and ego is also a factor where staying at work while running a fever is a point of pride.

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retired cynic  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:05:34am

re: #150 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I concur about Brown. Not so much about Davis. The latter had too short of a career and the Denver offensive line showed with others that they could get just about any running back a 1000 yard rushing season.

I’m an old, but what about Sweetness?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:06:54am

Just posted this - I’m coming up on 6 years here at LGF, and I took a look back at all the Pages I’ve published, to see what kind of effect - if any - I’ve had.

I *think* there was some good work there? An occasional miss, sometimes a bit too acid-tongued, but some of my writing found a real audience.

But that feels inadequate to the moment.

So a question to everyone: what should I do with the combination of writing, tech skills & passion about decency, truth & civil society?

Used to be the “Tankman” in Tiananmen Square, confronting giant ducks (the sly way Chinese netizens referred to the Communist rulers, to mock & evade censorship)
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:08:10am

The image there, BTW, was changed this past year to one of the exhausted, angry protesters in Iraq, sitting on the gilded throne of his former rulers, after his movement ousted them from power.

Yeah, that speaks to all of us right about now, doesn’t it?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:08:37am

re: #252 Eclectic Cyborg

“People who lead Godly lives don’t worry about doctors”

How’s Rush doing these days?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:09:36am

re: #254 retired cynic

I’m an old, but what about Sweetness?

I honestly was tired and forgot Sweetness. He belongs in the conversation tho.

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Florida Panhandler  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:09:57am

re: #235 Interesting Times

If you were wondering how things could possibly get worse…

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This is literally Chinese Communist Party MO.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:10:38am

re: #253 Scottish Dragon

This thread is brutal and it underscores my own experience in food service. People in food service keep working while they are sick. It isn’t just fast food, either. High end restaurants are nearly always understaffed and ego is also a factor where staying at work while running a fever is a point of pride.

Happens everywhere….I work in healthcare and idiots who are symptomatic still show up to work.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:10:55am

re: #201 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t that the CDC didn’t help out because the patient did not meet their criteria for testing? An ill-advised decision — but that doesn’t seem to fit the definition of malice.

With any and all testing from what I have heard.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:10:58am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:11:35am

😑😑😑

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:12:32am

re: #263 Dr. Matt

😑😑😑

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Ah so he can bill the taxpayers for the trip rather than the campaign.

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BeachDem  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:14:21am

re: #239 William Lewis

I’d be bored silly by two of them and don’t know the third. Sorry. I especially dislike Tarantino whom I consider to be a hack violence pornographer with nothing new to say.

I think you and I are the only two I know of who feel that way about Tarantino. Inglourious Basterds is the only movie of his that I liked.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:16:49am

re: #253 Scottish Dragon

This thread is brutal and it underscores my own experience in food service. People in food service keep working while they are sick. It isn’t just fast food, either. High end restaurants are nearly always understaffed and ego is also a factor where staying at work while running a fever is a point of pride.

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Yeah, I keep thinking about that thread I read yesterday about how Coronavirus could impact this country due to Americans general refusal (due to costs) to see a doctor or go to an ER unless ABSOLUTELY necessary.

And then there’s the work thing. I have fought through many sick days at work but not because of pride or ego but because I COULD NOT AFFORD TO NOT GET PAID or I worked for a company that straight up didn’t offer sick time, which in most of this country is NOT required by law.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:17:09am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:19:20am

re: #267 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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They really are pathetically desperate to cover for Trump.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:19:31am

re: #245 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have to ask, did Jesus Man really say that?

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BeachDem  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:19:48am

re: #245 Joe Bacon 🌹

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The quote was entirely fabricated, however. We found no public record of Pence’s ever saying such a thing.

The item first appeared on the Facebook page Fox News The Facebook Page, which is dedicated to lampooning Fox News and conservative politics in general

snopes.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:20:24am

re: #262 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Polls last time were within the MOE. He complains to the point of nausea.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:20:46am

re: #271 BeachDem

The quote was entirely fabricated, however. We found no public record of Pence’s ever saying such a thing.

The item first appeared on the Facebook page Fox News The Facebook Page, which is dedicated to lampooning Fox News and conservative politics in general

snopes.com

Aha.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:21:20am

re: #267 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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We’re all gonna die

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:24:03am

re: #267 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I often start coughing if I spend several hours in an air-conditioned room (low humidity, I think). They do have other causes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:24:36am

re: #273 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Aha.

There was if I recall correctly a GOP politician who did indeed say something along the lines of “you don’t need health insurance if you take care of yourself.”

He was diagnosed with cancer like a year later.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:25:46am

re: #276 Eclectic Cyborg

There was if I recall correctly a GOP politician who did indeed say something along the lines of “you don’t need health insurance if you take care of yourself.”

He was diagnosed with cancer like a year later.

I do too. Forget who.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:26:23am

re: #274 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

We’re all gonna die

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calochortus  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:27:58am

re: #274 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

We’re all gonna die

Maybe. Maybe not. I, with my congestion and hacking cough, spent the day with my daughter (with her congestion and hacking cough) and my granddaughter yesterday. We didn’t wear masks or gloves or worry overmuch-because we got this stupid respiratory virus from the aforementioned granddaughter. Thankfully Mr. C. never got it.
This guy and his family have presumably been cooped up together for a couple weeks and even if he still has a lingering cough from some stupid non-covid respiratory virus presumably his daughter isn’t going to suddenly get it at this point. Or maybe she had it and is over it.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:31:17am

We’re only down 679 now.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:31:51am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:32:09am

re: #279 calochortus

I have a coworker who coughs constantly. It’s some minor thing she has but if I didn’t know about I’d certainly be wondering right now.

I get occasional coughing fits myself from post nasal drip. Also, people can get nervous on camera. Nervousness can cause dry mouth, which can lead to coughing,

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:35:04am

re: #282 Eclectic Cyborg

I have a coworker who coughs constantly. It’s some minor thing she has but if I didn’t know about I’d certainly be wondering right now.

I get occasional coughing fits myself from post nasal drip. Also, people can get nervous on camera. Nervousness can cause dry mouth, which can lead to coughing,

Or he was cleared by a test using the flawed CDC kit and the results were incorrect.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:35:29am
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BeachDem  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:36:09am

re: #276 Eclectic Cyborg

There was if I recall correctly a GOP politician who did indeed say something along the lines of “you don’t need health insurance if you take care of yourself.”

He was diagnosed with cancer like a year later.

Not sure about a politician, but that bastion of intelligence and logic, Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson did say

“I already have health care. It’s given to me by God. Eternal health care,” he said…
“I have eternal health care and it’s free.”

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BigPapa  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:39:34am

re: #267 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

We’re all going to die. But at least it’s going to be hilarious.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:43:14am

A year ago today (according to FB). Sadly more true than ever.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:46:52am

From 705 cases, Diamond Princess now has 6 deaths and 34 in severe/critical condition. Critical cases reportedly have a 49% mortality rate . If that rate holds in this situation, that could lead up to a total of 23 deaths (6 + possible 17 from the severe/critical classification) — or about 3.3%. That would be very troubling, though cruise ship clientele trend older.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:47:40am

DOW now down 464. CNBC headlines indicate that the Nasdaq went positive briefly, though it’s negative right now.

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garzooma  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:50:32am

re: #283 Hecuba’s daughter

Or he was cleared by a test using the flawed CDC kit and the results were incorrect.

One more thing to worry about: Recovered patients testing positive

A woman working as a tour-bus guide in Japan has tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus for a second time, raising fears of a “bi-phasic” infection pattern similar to anthrax.
[…]
NYU School of Medicine professor of microbiology and pathology Philip Tierno Jr said much remained unknown about the virus, and it was possible the disease was bi-phasic, meaning symptoms could go away before returning again later on.

“Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant and with minimal symptoms, and then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs,” Prof Tierno said.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:53:15am

re: #278 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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I highly recommend this as a very early, and highly under-estimated, bio-catastrophe novel. Some story elements appear to have been incorporated into the The Stand, though they do not rise to the level of plagiarism. Unlike King, Stewart did not invoke the supernatural.

Earth Abides is a 1949 post-apocalyptic science fiction novel by American writer George R. Stewart. It tells the story of the fall of civilization from deadly disease and its rebirth. The story was set in the United States in the 1940s in Berkeley, California and told by a character, Isherwood Williams, who emerges from isolation in the mountains to find almost everyone dead.”

One extraordinary element for the time is that the story revolves around a mixed race couple, though this is not emphasized and is almost incidental.

Emma (Em) is a woman who Isherwood meets in his hometown. The author may have been taking a chance with this character, who is, at least partially, African-American, while Isherwood is white; when the book was written, interracial marriages were heavily discouraged in American society. Isherwood does marry her, and race isn’t important to the couple’s relationship. Em (“mother” in Hebrew) becomes the community’s mother, letting it grow as it will, but stepping in to help when no one else is filling the leadership role. She was the adult while others panicked, and Ish thought of her as the “Mother of Nations”.[

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:54:58am

JFC

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:56:06am

re: #292 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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Okay….

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:56:36am

Canned Ass projecting Like. An. IMAX. In. Outer. Space.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:57:25am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:59:33am

re: #294 The Pie Overlord!

Canned Ass projecting Like. An. IMAX. In. Outer. Space.

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Pretty rich from a grifter like Candice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 8:59:36am

Trumps rally tonight is going to be even more insane than usual.

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BigPapa  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:01:18am

Patient Zero of the Moronoa Virus:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:01:33am

re: #297 Eclectic Cyborg

Trumps rally tonight is going to be even more insane than usual.

Yes it will be. And then the next one will be more than this one.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:01:53am

re: #297 Eclectic Cyborg

Trumps rally tonight is going to be even more insane than usual.

Someone should show up in a mask, with Corona beer, coughing.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:04:04am

“The prevailing sentiment online is that MAGA types are just none too bright.”

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:05:20am

re: #297 Eclectic Cyborg

Trumps rally tonight is going to be even more insane than usual.

Wonder what kind of screening there will be? And what happens if someone in the dais behind Trump starts coughing? Will they be whisked away in a headlock by Secret Service agents in facemasks? Or will Trump be bundled off the stage?

Oh, the opportunities for fuckery, if only the progressives had a talented ratfucker like Roger Stone …

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:06:18am

re: #301 Dread Pirate

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“The prevailing sentiment online is that MAGA types are just none too bright.”

I don’t expect people who prefer Russians to Democrats to know an all time great running back.

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sagehen  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:08:53am

re: #302 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Wonder what kind of screening there will be? And what happens if someone in the dais behind Trump starts coughing? Will they be whisked away in a headlock by Secret Service agents in facemasks? Or will Trump be bundled off the stage?

Oh, the opportunities for fuckery, if only the progressives had a talented ratfucker like Roger Stone …

If transmission turns out to be near universal, and it kills 2%… that’s about the same percentage that died in the Civil War.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:09:49am

re: #157 Belafon

Barry was one of those running backs you had to catch. Emmitt was one of those that made you pay for being in front of him.

Earl Campbell was another running back that would just bowl you over rather than look to juke and spin around you. And he was very good at it.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:10:36am

Gold down over $50 an ounce today.

$1,591.51 $-56.34

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jeffreyw  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:11:02am

re: #291 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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I highly recommend this as a very early, and highly under-estimated, bio-catastrophe novel. Some story elements appear to have been incorporated into the The Stand, though they do not rise to the level of plagiarism. Unlike King, Stewart did not invoke the supernatural.

One extraordinary element for the time is that the story revolves around a mixed race couple, though this is not emphasized and is almost incidental.

That’s a good one, another is Warday. A survivor of a nuclear war travels around the country in the aftermath interviewing others for their stories. WW Z comes to mind as a similar book in style and execution.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:11:46am

re: #305 Eventual Carrion

Earl Campbell was another running back that would just bowl you over rather than look to juke and spin around you. And he was very good at it.

Bo Jackson had some amazing potential too. Poor Earl looks a lot older than his years these days and can barely walk. Barry Sanders was smart to leave when he did. You see that more tehse days.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:11:53am

re: #306 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

Gold down over $50 an ounce today.

$1,591.51 $-56.34

BUY SEEDS!!!11!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:12:19am

re: #304 sagehen

If transmission turns out to be near universal, and it kills 2%… that’s about the same percentage that died in the Civil War.

It’s going to have a political impact too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:12:34am

re: #304 sagehen

If transmission turns out to be near universal, and it kills 2%… that’s about the same percentage that died in the Civil War.

America will be spared compared to other parts of the world because of its population density and structure. I am terribly concerned for regions that are densely populated, where normal life involves coming into close physical proximity to hundreds/thousands of other people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:13:07am

re: #310 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s going to have a political impact too.

Especially considering the demographic differences between the parties.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:14:17am

re: #312 Eclectic Cyborg

Especially considering the demographic differences between the parties.

That and responding to it too. We’re going to need top notch people to handle this. That’s why Trump appointing Pence to be in charge of this is so awful. Pence has probably less science education than I do and I was a history major.

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retired cynic  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:15:22am

re: #311 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

America will be spared compared to other parts of the world because of its population density and structure. I am terribly concerned for regions that are densely populated, where normal life involves being in close physical proximity to hundreds/thousands of other people.

With what amounts to zilch health care…

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:16:42am

re: #307 jeffreyw

That’s a good one, another is Warday. A survivor of a nuclear war travels around the country in the aftermath interviewing others for their stories. WW Z comes to mind as a similar book in style and execution.

also similar is the movie

the world, the flesh, and the devil

Ralph Burton [harry belafonte] is a miner who is trapped for several days as a result of a cave-in. When he finally manages to dig himself out, he realizes that all of mankind seems to have been destroyed in a nuclear holocaust. He travels to New York City only to find it deserted. [jack of all trades mechanically smart] Making a life for himself there, he is flabbergasted to eventually find Sarah Crandall [inger steverns], who also managed to survive. Together, they form a close friendship until the arrival of Benson Thacker [mel ferrer] who has managed to pilot his small boat into the city’s harbor. At this point the tensions rise between the three, particularly between Thacker, who is white and Burton, who is black.

- interestingly there are no dead bodies shown in the entire movie

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:16:46am

re: #313 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That and responding to it too. We’re going to need top notch people to handle this. That’s why Trump appointing Pence to be in charge of this is so awful. Pence has probably less science education than I do and I was a history major.

And the funny/sad thing about it is the market would have responded better to an active, well thought out and co-ordinated response led by experts.

Instead, they see the shitshow for what it is and are as scared as the rest of us about what may happen.

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VegasGolfer  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:18:17am

re: #306 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

Gold down over $50 an ounce today.

$1,591.51 $-56.34

Wait, I was told to buy gold in the event of market crash??

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:18:43am

re: #312 Eclectic Cyborg

Especially considering the demographic differences between the parties.

and when they finally are face to face with the result of last 10-20 years of decimation of the non-urban health care systems/facilities

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:19:07am

re: #317 VegasGolfer

Wait, I was told to buy gold in the event of market crash??

Welcome to Trumpistan

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:19:36am

re: #317 VegasGolfer

Wait, I was told to buy gold in the event of market crash??

Like I said yesterday. Coronavirus is affecting everything. There are no safe havens right now.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:20:30am

The creativity video (posted above) was awesome. Thanks for posting.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:21:20am

re: #317 VegasGolfer

Wait, I was told to buy gold in the event of market crash??

wanna turn the gold market?

“i heard people say that if you own gold it can work like a coronavirus vaccine”

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Dread Pirate  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:21:30am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:24:40am

they dont care any more. they just come out and say it

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was questioned by Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) before the House Foreign Affairs Committee:

LIEU: Are you going to speak at CPAC today?

POMPEO: Yes.

LIEU: So you could only give two hours to Congress, and instead of answering questions on life and death issues you’re going to go talk to a special interest group?

POMPEO: Yes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:24:44am

re: #323 Dread Pirate

Hu, good point. Also, 3M has been manufacturing protective gear for years in China. China urgently needs to grant 3M permission to ship protective gear from China to USA to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

Let us hope that Trump does not impose any import tariffs on those Chinese goods…

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:27:51am

A TV series to think about is Jeremiah, where a disease has killed everyone who went through puberty.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:28:38am

re: #326 Belafon

A TV series to think about is Jeremiah, where a disease has killed everyone who went through puberty.

Like the Star Trek episode “Miri”.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:31:13am

re: #304 sagehen

If transmission turns out to be near universal, and it kills 2%… that’s about the same percentage that died in the Civil War.

Catastrophising again. Even the Diamond Princess has an infection rate under 20%. Wuhan has 11 million people and less than 110,000 cases. Even if they’re vastly underreported, that’s less than 5%. (And Hubei province has 55 million people.)

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:32:36am

One “germ apocalypse” story I’ve always liked is a short story by Stephen King - and I’m pretty sure “The Stand” was an expansion of the short story.

“Night Surf”, which was in his short story collection Night Shift. A virus , known as A6, originates in China, spreads worldwide and pretty much wipes out humanity. The story is told from the POV a small group of young people, uninfected, waiting to die.

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Teukka  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:34:06am

Listening to county local news… 2 more confirmed CoViD-19 cases…

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:34:42am

re: #328 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Catastrophising again. Even the Diamond Princess has an infection rate under 20%. Wuhan has 11 million people and less than 110,000 cases. Even if they’re vastly underreported, that’s less than 5%. (And Hubei province has 55 million people.)

No. China was able to resort to draconian police state practices to restrict transmission, and the cruise ship was also able to keep people in rooms to stop transmission.

Here in America, those factors are not operative, and people here are highly likely to keep going to work while sick and avoid medical treatment because of costs and fear of losing income or the job entirely.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:35:12am

washingtonpost.com
Well this is disturbing.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:35:30am

re: #305 Eventual Carrion

Earl Campbell was another running back that would just bowl you over rather than look to juke and spin around you. And he was very good at it.

John Riggens was of the same ilk. Only he did it drunk.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:36:25am

re: #306 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

Gold down over $50 an ounce today.

$1,591.51 $-56.34

Aren’t we supposed to put our money in shiny metal because it goes up when bad shit happens?

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Dread Pirate  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:37:22am

Sorry, can’t fight a war today, quarantine.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:39:10am

Fun fact: “Quarantine” originates from the Italian word for “Forty”.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:39:17am

re: #335 Dread Pirate

Sorry, can’t fight a war today, quarantine.

That is almost all of 2nd ID

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:39:32am

re: #333 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Didn’t Riggins hit on justice Sandra O’Connor back in the day?

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:39:42am

There’s a fire at a Paris train stations: express.co.uk

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:40:20am

re: #331 Scottish Dragon

…and the cruise ship was also able to keep people in rooms to stop transmission.

After they all spent significant time essentially breathing the same same air and handling the same utensils. It is reasonable to assume that the vast majority were exposed.

(We don’t know how long it was spreading in China, or how extensive those “draconian measures” really are, only what the Chinese government tells us.)

I’m out of here for a while. Feel free to keep scaring yourselves to death while I’m gone.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:41:24am

re: #309 Dr. Matt

BUY SEEDS!!!11!

One of my friends told me about Jim Baker’s additional use for his doomsday seeds. You can put the boxes side-by-side, throw a sheet over them, and voila, a table. The ultimate intersection of redneck and prepper.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:41:58am

re: #333 Colère Tueur de Lapin

John Riggens was of the same ilk. Only he did it drunk.

Riggo’s infamous “”come on, loosen up, Sandy baby, you’re too tight.” to Justice O’Connor is the stuff of local sports legend around here. Can’t bring up Riggans’ name without that story.
ftw.usatoday.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:42:08am

re: #338 Ace Rothstein

Didn’t Riggins hit on justice Sandra O’Connor back in the day?

ftw.usatoday.com

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:42:37am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:43:13am

My tRump loving sister and BIL are now becoming preppers because of COVID 19. 😐

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:44:58am

re: #345 Dr. Matt

My tRump loving sister and BIL are now becoming preppers because of COVID 19. 😐

Sell them rocks to scare away the virus and promise them a full refund if they die.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:45:57am

re: #337 Scottish Dragon

That is almost all of 2nd ID

Well, I guess it’s a good thing they’re Korean soldiers, and they have an additional 450,000 not quarantined

//

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:46:01am

re: #315 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

also similar is the movie

the world, the flesh, and the devil

- interestingly there are no dead bodies shown in the entire movie

Really, the best post-apocolyptic movie is A Boy and His Dog

A Boy and His Dog - Official Trailer (1975)

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:46:18am

re: #339 Belafon

Reports suggest the fire was started by a group of protesters voicing their opposition to a concert by Congolese singer Fally Ipupa

Fally Ipupa - A Flyé (Clip officiel)

WTF?

I mean, that’s not necessarily my style of music but it’s not bad at all. Makes me feel like it’s summertime.

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calochortus  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:47:42am

I finally remembered what Trump’s news conference the other day reminded me of. The way he was sort of casting around in an unsure voice suggesting the coronavirus was a problem, maybe, but not really a problem and he’s sure it will go away, but the numbers might increase a bit, but he doubts it. Etc.

Years ago there was a PBS program (Nova, maybe?) talking about pseudoscience where someone went to a pair of Russian psychics for a reading on someone in a photo. They asked leading questions, made suggestions, and produced a very few definite but very general statements about the subject, but had a very hard time because the person showing them the photo gave them no reactions and no feedback for them to latch onto. The man in the photo? Ted Bundy. The “psychics” entirely missed the serial killer part of who he was.

Trump is lost when he can’t get feedback from the rubes, and he sure isn’t getting feedback on this.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:47:54am

re: #307 jeffreyw

That’s a good one, another is Warday. A survivor of a nuclear war travels around the country in the aftermath interviewing others for their stories. WW Z comes to mind as a similar book in style and execution.

Buying up books to have in my iBook library…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:47:55am

re: #346 Belafon

Sell them rocks to scare away the virus and promise them a full refund if they die.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:48:35am

re: #347 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Well, I guess it’s a good thing they’re Korean soldiers, and they have an additional 450,000 not quarantined

//

Oh, sorry, that number is from their entire armed forces. So, they have an additional 590,000 service members

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:49:09am

re: #328 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Catastrophising again. Even the Diamond Princess has an infection rate under 20%. Wuhan has 11 million people and less than 110,000 cases. Even if they’re vastly underreported, that’s less than 5%. (And Hubei province has 55 million people.)

We may not know for sure about the total number of DP infections because some who returned home because their initial tests were negative may subsequently test positive. And who knows how accurate are any statistics from China?

That said, I certainly share your stated view that it’s not the apocalypse. It’s way premature to talk about COVID-19 prevalence or death rate here. But we certainly need a reliable test for the disease.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:49:18am

re: #340 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

After they all spent significant time essentially breathing the same same air and handling the same utensils. It is reasonable to assume that the vast majority were exposed.

(We don’t know how long it was spreading in China, or how extensive those “draconian measures” really are, only what the Chinese government tells us.)

I’m out of here for a while. Feel free to keep scaring yourselves to death while I’m gone.

Nobody here is in a panic. Nobody is throwing around conspiracy nonsense. We do know this thing is dangerous, it is easily transmitted and that the CDC has warned that significant disruption to daily life should be expected. That means school shutdowns etc.

Fear is reasonable. Panic is not. Use fear to get yourself ready if you have to deal with a quarantine or school and work closure.

Japan just declared a nationwide state of emergency and closed ALL schools for a month. Do we think we are somehow immune?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:51:55am

NVDA is the big outlier on my tracker today, up ~4.5% as of now. Weird.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:56:41am

re: #356 goddamnedfrank

NVDA is the big outlier on my tracker today, up ~4.5% as of now. Weird.

Gonna need entertainment while quarantined
//

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:56:42am
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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:57:29am

Shit, the store is out of Hibernol.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:57:37am

re: #352 Dr Lizardo

Brilliant. Thank you.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 28, 2020 • 9:59:02am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:00:03am

re: #356 goddamnedfrank

NVDA is the big outlier on my tracker today, up ~4.5% as of now. Weird.

Really? NVidia is part of my portfolio and it took a big hit through thursday, wonder why it’s doing not a bad a everything else?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:01:20am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:01:21am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Narrator: But they are going to keep doing it anyway.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:06:57am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷

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Unfortunately everything eventually reaches SCOTUS whose GOP members are nothing more than Trump toadies.

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:07:26am

re: #348 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Really, the best post-apocolyptic movie is A Boy and His Dog

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Video

Wizards. A wee bit longer Post than some but still my favorite.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:09:02am

re: #356 goddamnedfrank

NVDA is the big outlier on my tracker today, up ~4.5% as of now. Weird.

CNBC says Netflix is doing pretty well as one of those “stuck in home” stocks.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:10:02am

re: #348 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Really, the best post-apocolyptic movie is A Boy and His Dog

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And we’re only four years away from the year of the story.

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jeffreyw  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:11:16am

re: #348 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Really, the best post-apocolyptic movie is A Boy and His Dog

[Embedded content]

She had good taste.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:12:11am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Of course it has not occurred to them that rounding up undocumented foreigners and throwing them in crowded cages might not be the best way to handle a potential pandemic.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:18:26am

re: #368 Belafon

And we’re only four years away from the year of the story.

IIRC, Almost 50 years ago I attended a lecture where he read the story to the audience. Let’s just say I hated the ending. He definitely had a warped vision of the world, but then, given how our reality has been transformed into a nightmare over the past 3 years, maybe his perception is more accurate than mine.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:21:25am

According to this, a dog in Hong Kong has tested positive for the virus: cnbc.com.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:22:28am

re: #306 b.d. (We’re gonna win)

Gold down over $50 an ounce today.

$1,591.51 $-56.34

You have gold. I have bread.

Give me gold for a loaf of bread, then I will have your gold and I can bake more bread.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2020 • 10:22:34am

re: #348 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Really, the best post-apocolyptic movie is A Boy and His Dog

[Embedded content]

Larger

Harlon Ellison was a really good author and kind of an awful person.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 28, 2020 • 11:24:23am

re: #355 Scottish Dragon

Nobody here is in a panic. Nobody is throwing around conspiracy nonsense. We do know this thing is dangerous, it is easily transmitted and that the CDC has warned that significant disruption to daily life should be expected. That means school shutdowns etc.

Fear is reasonable. Panic is not. Use fear to get yourself ready if you have to deal with a quarantine or school and work closure.

Japan just declared a nationwide state of emergency and closed ALL schools for a month. Do we think we are somehow immune?

American Exceptionalism at work.
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