The Story of How Florence Nightingale Revolutionized Nursing, as Told by Drunk History (Feat. Minka Kelly)

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After witnessing the horrors of the Crimean War firsthand, Florence Nightingale set out to transform the field of nursing.

About Drunk History:
Based on the popular web series, Drunk History is the liquored-up narration of our nation’s history. Host Derek Waters, along with an ever-changing cast of actors and comedians, travels across the country to present the rich tales that every city in this land has to offer. Booze helps bring out the truth. It’s just that sometimes the truth is a little incoherent.

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plansbandc  Mar 23, 2020 • 7:53:19pm

Something sweet to make you smile…

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 23, 2020 • 7:56:14pm

Cl’d, so here goes again…

I am a bit out of sorts. Remember that pic of that beautiful nurse, my daughter? Treated a noncovid patient on a ventilator without a mask because of shortages. Now the patient is being tested for covid19, and won’t get results for days, probably.

This shit is HIGHLY contagious. Did you see that viable virus was found 17 days later on a cruise ship? Take care of yourselves.

Also, friend’s fiance is in the ICU with coronavirus in Birmingham.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 7:56:49pm

More from the same article:

For local health officials, they are keeping a watchful eye on Colorado, considering the number of cases in that state as more likely to impact western Nebraska than cases in eastern Nebraska because of proximity. As of Sunday evening, Colorado officials were reporting a statewide total of 591 cases with a total of seven deaths. Updated numbers were not yet available as of presstime on Monday.

Persons have been asked not to travel outside of the state and those that have to travel for essential jobs, such as agriculture and truck driving, have been asked to quarantine at home when they return and observe other recommended practices.

starherald.com

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2020 • 7:57:36pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 23, 2020 • 7:59:19pm

Well, off to read for a while and then bed.

Supply run tomorrow since I also need to pick up a few prescriptions. Will see what the Wegmans has to offer this week.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:03:28pm

re: #1 plansbandc

It did make me smile. Thank you.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:03:50pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:04:39pm

NY Times is right

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:08:06pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

NY Times is right

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He’s such an unhinged dipshit.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:13:40pm

re: #9 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s such an unhinged dipshit.

And his followers are a religious cult.

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SteelPH  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:15:28pm

re: #10 Anymouse 🌹🏡

And his followers are a religious cult.

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His username is appropriate. He is indeed a twit.

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:15:33pm
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austin_blue  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:15:52pm

re: #9 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s such an unhinged dipshit.

Yes, but he’s *our* unhinged dipshit President, and he is in charge of running public policy.

Dog help us all.

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plansbandc  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:17:21pm

I’m flipping the fuck out and my sister just keeps going to work at King Soopers. She’s so much braver than I will ever be. Total boss.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:19:35pm

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:20:33pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Yes, but he’s *our* unhinged dipshit President, and he is in charge of running public policy.

Dog help us all.

I know. Everyday I shake my head at something he does or says.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:21:15pm

re: #15 Joe Bacon 🌹

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That’s not fair to Krusty. This is Pennywise’s presidency.

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NetworkKed  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:21:59pm

Are you kidding? It’s Mr. Burns, not Krusty. And with no Smithers to keep things on rails.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:22:00pm

re: #15 Joe Bacon 🌹

Krusty the Clown would make a much better President than Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:23:53pm

re: #18 NetworkKed

Are you kidding? It’s Mr. Burns, not Krusty. And with no Smithers to keep things on rails.

And Pence is a bigger jerk than stupid Flanders.

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Kilroy was here  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:24:48pm

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plansbandc  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:28:34pm

Can I ask a small favor? If you guys want to put a pic up of the virus, would you put under private.

Those pics are triggering the shit out of me. Thanks.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:31:14pm

Our state supreme court just ruled they do not have the power to halt evictions during the epidemic/winter.

Advocacy groups asked the supreme court to intervene, citing the rise in unemployment claims in the state, along with pushing people into crowded shelters during an epidemic.

starherald.com

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NetworkKed  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:31:44pm

I wish that false-colored one hadn’t caught on as the standard illustration. It’s very misleading, and really ugly.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:33:19pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

NY Times is right

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NY times has referred to presidents as “Mr.” since the beginning of time(s). If it was good enough for Mr. Lincoln, it will certainly do for DT.

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:33:57pm
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Sherlock Hound  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:37:15pm

re: #24 NetworkKed

I wish that false-colored one hadn’t caught on as the standard illustration. It’s very misleading, and really ugly.

My favorite illustration thus far: Coronavirus Doom, with stacks of TP and cacodemons portraying the virus.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:40:45pm

re: #27 Sherlock Hound

My favorite illustration thus far: Coronavirus Doom, with stacks of TP and cacodemons portraying the virus.

mine is the one with stacks of MAGA hats.

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Disloyal Archangel  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:44:45pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:47:24pm
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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:51:17pm

Thread.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:55:41pm

The country is finished. We had a nice run.

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2020 • 8:56:19pm

re: #32 Ace Rothstein

The country is finished. We had a nice run.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:09:24pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:11:38pm

re: #2 BlueSpotinAL

Sending her (and you! and your friend and all others affected by this) my best wishes and hopes for a positive outcome.

About that study, they found the virus RNA on surfaces. They have not said whether it was viable. Small distinction but potentially very important. It is absolutely still worth treating it as extremely contagious and being very careful with any public surface.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:23:09pm

re: #31 makeitstop

Thread.

Wholly crap there are a bunch of douchecanoes who don’t understand exponential growth.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:24:27pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Wholly crap there are a bunch of douchecanoes who don’t understand exponential growth.

The “President” certainly doesn’t.

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Rightwingconspirator  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:29:00pm

Drunk Medicine

abcnews.go.com

Man dies after ingesting chloroquine to prevent coronavirus, Banner Health says
The man’s wife was also in critical condition.

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:30:55pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:31:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:32:33pm

Eleven new cases of COVID-19 in Nebraska, including firsts for Washington and Madison Counties (Omaha World-Herald)

The cases are all in the eastern part of the state.

The article includes a state map by county showing where cases are. The nearest to me is Lincoln (three counties SSE of me). There are still no reported cases in the Panhandle.

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danarchy  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:33:56pm

just watched a segment on BBC news about Iranians travelling for the Persian New Year and estimates are that 8 million people are travelling ignoring government recommendations to stay home. They were interviewing some people at a checkpoint where they were screening people for symptoms.

Some of the things people were saying was incomprehensible.

“We aren’t travelling, we are just going to visit our parents, we wont stay long.”

Iran is fucked, you’d think an authoritarian regime would be well placed to enforce the measures necessary to slow the spread.

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Jason Munro  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:39:32pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Exponential growth is hard for the human brain to grasp. I think because we simply don’t experience it in a visceral way regularly.

Folding a standard piece of paper in half 42 times would be thick enough to reach the moon from earth. This struck me the first time I heard it, and has been a useful analogy to explain growth rates to my kids.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:39:45pm

re: #42 danarchy

Iran has been promoting the Persian New Year and encouraging people to travel to Iran ($$$$), along with religious leaders also encouraging travel to Qom.

‘Recipe for a Massive Viral Outbreak’: Iran Emerges as a Worldwide Threat (NYT)

Conservative authoritarians don’t care if people die, and religious leaders believe they are somehow immune (regardless of religion) and prayer will save them.

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:39:45pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

Drunk Medicine

Man dies after ingesting chloroquine to prevent coronavirus, Banner Health says
The man’s wife was also in critical condition.

Wingnuts are already out in force on Twitter and Facebook, defending Trump by declaring that this couple should have known that chloroquine phosphate is totally not the same as hydroxychloroquine and not to take it without a prescription, so how dare the press suggest in any way that this is his fault.

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:40:55pm
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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:44:21pm

re: #43 Jason Munro

Exponential growth is hard for the human brain to grasp. I think because we simply don’t experience it in a visceral way regularly.

Folding a standard piece of paper in half 42 times would be thick enough to reach the moon from earth. This struck me the first time I heard it, and has been a useful analogy to explain growth rates to my kids.

The old “rice on a chessboard” illustration works too (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32…).

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Jason Munro  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:46:15pm

re: #47 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Just learned about that one recently. Another great way to illustrate how things can add up quickly.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:46:30pm
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NetworkKed  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:48:41pm

re: #43 Jason Munro

Exponential growth is hard for the human brain to grasp. I think because we simply don’t experience it in a visceral way regularly.

Folding a standard piece of paper in half 42 times would be thick enough to reach the moon from earth. This struck me the first time I heard it, and has been a useful analogy to explain growth rates to my kids.

That seems like thin paper. My quick and dirty estimate was more like 39, but I know that’s unreasonably thick.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:49:23pm

I thought you all might find this interesting and maybe a little funny. Once Hunt county declared that it was going into shelter at home mode, my company sent out documents for us to carry so that we would be allowed to travel. We’re supposed to have this in our car in case we get stopped trying to go to or from work:

It’s also useful for those who live in Dallas county and have to get to work.

Rowlett now has two confirmed cases, one in the Dallas county portion, and one in the Rockwall county portion. If you look at a map of Rockwall, you will see Lake Ray Hubbard, which is entirely in Rockwall county. If you zoom in to the west, you will see a street called Dalrock (Dallas-Rockwall), which is the county line. The part between Dalrock and Ray Hubbard is part of the city of Rowlett, but in Rockwall county. That little section is where one of the cases lives.

TV says that Collin county is going to join Hunt and Dallas county in a shelter in place, and it looks like Rockwall will join them now that a case is so close. A city council vote
on sheltering today, before the announcement, failed, but my wife said there’s going to be another one soon.

Edited slightly.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:50:22pm

re: #43 Jason Munro

Exponential growth is hard for the human brain to grasp. I think because we simply don’t experience it in a visceral way regularly.

Folding a standard piece of paper in half 42 times would be thick enough to reach the moon from earth. This struck me the first time I heard it, and has been a useful analogy to explain growth rates to my kids.

Grains of rice on a chessboard also works. But it’s also how slow this builds up initially.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:50:53pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:51:04pm

re: #47 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

The old “rice on a chessboard” illustration works too (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32…).

(G)MTA

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:53:17pm

re: #39 teleskiguy

Trump’s going to be disappointed when governors, county judges, and mayors don’t just jump and say “Sir, yes, sir!”

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2020 • 9:59:29pm

re: #55 Belafon

Trump’s going to be disappointed when governors, county judges, and mayors don’t just jump and say “Sir, yes, sir!”

“Disappointed” is not the word you’re looking for. “Furious” is more accurate, since he sees anything less than absolute obedience as an attack on him personally. So when Monday comes and response back from several states/cities is “GFY,” he’s gonna lose his ever-lovin’ mind.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:04:43pm

re: #51 Belafon

I thought you all might find this interesting and maybe a little funny. Once Hunt county declared that it was going into shelter at home mode, they sent out documents for us to carry so that we would be allowed to travel. We’re supposed to have this in our car in case we get stopped trying to go to or from work:

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It’s also useful for those who live in Dallas county and have to get to work.

Rowlett now has two confirmed cases, one in the Dallas county portion, and one in the Rockwall county portion. If you look at a map of Rockwall, you will see Lake Ray Hubbard, which is entirely in Rockwall county. If you zoom in to the west, you will see a street called Dalrock (Dallas-Rockwall), which is the county line. The part between Dalrock and Ray Hubbard is part of the city of Rowlett, but in Rockwall county. That little section is where one of the cases lives.

TV says that Collin county is going to join Hunt and Dallas county in a shelter in place, and it looks like Rockwall will join them now that a case is so close. A city council vote
on sheltering today, before the announcement, failed, but my wife said there’s going to be another one soon.

“providing essential services to the federal government and the US Government.”

Aren’t those the same thing?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:06:39pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:06:46pm

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹🏡

“providing essential services to the federal government and the US Government.”

Aren’t those the same thing?

Oh not in the minds of teabaggers…

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:12:40pm

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹🏡

“providing essential services to the federal government and the US Government.”

Aren’t those the same thing?

It should be, but my government contractor job is about 85% conservatives, down from a high of over 90 since a lot of gen z types have been hired.

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:14:20pm

I will say now that if Trump coming out and demanding people “go back to work” doesn’t lead to a general strike, then nothing he does will and we need to drop that idea.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:15:18pm
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Dread Pirate  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:15:46pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:16:09pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

I will say now that if Trump coming out and demanding people “go back to work” doesn’t lead to a general strike, then nothing he does will and we need to drop that idea.

Most people are going to ignore that since state and local governments are running the show.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:18:23pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

I will say now that if Trump coming out and demanding people “go back to work” doesn’t lead to a general strike, then nothing he does will and we need to drop that idea.

Nothing as formal as a general strike — governors will say, “nope,” and all the workers will stay home.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:18:39pm
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Dread Pirate  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:21:45pm

In one month it can double 10 times.

2^10 = 1024

1024 x 541 = 553984 dead.

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:22:18pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

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And the orange-colored asshole to the side is going “Tremendous! Greatest sound in the world! You can’t find anyone in better shape!”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:24:24pm

(video, 5:31)

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NetworkKed  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:24:54pm

re: #62 Belafon

wut

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:25:22pm

We know it is projection with conservatives always, but it really sucks that they were projecting with Sarah Palin’s “death panels.”

Turns out, it’s they who want to kill everyone: projection.

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:27:39pm

It’s gotta be awful confusing to be a Berner right now. After months of screaming about how “the olds” are holding everybody else back, here come Republicans declaring that “the olds” need to accept death so that the economy can recover.

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NetworkKed  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:29:30pm

Indiana just called shelter-in-place today (okay, starting Wed morning), other states did too. They’re not going to turn that off for at least two weeks, no matter what Trump does. And if they’re smart, it’ll be 4-6 weeks, following the numbers. It’s possible that some of the states could get SK-style containment at that point with fully-ramped testing.

I don’t understand what anyone pushing one-week timelines is thinking. It’s like they’re utterly innumerate.

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Dread Pirate  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:33:14pm

He’s infected.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:36:25pm

re: #74 Dread Pirate

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He’s infected.

I thonk he just didn’t want to admit that he was trying to stifle his laughter at DT.

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:36:25pm

re: #73 NetworkKed

Indiana just called shelter-in-place today (okay, starting Wed morning), other states did too. They’re not going to turn that off for at least two weeks, no matter what Trump does. And if they’re smart, it’ll be 4-6 weeks, following the numbers. It’s possible that some of the states could get SK-style containment at that point with fully-ramped testing.

I don’t understand what anyone pushing one-week timelines is thinking. It’s like they’re utterly innumerate.

What they’re thinking? “FUCK! IF THE MARKET DOESN’T RECOVER, MY/TRUMP’S REELECTION IS FUCKED!!!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:36:54pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

I will say now that if Trump coming out and demanding people “go back to work” doesn’t lead to a general strike, then nothing he does will and we need to drop that idea.

My great great grandfather was an organizer of the IWW along with Debs, Joe Hill, Mother Jones, Bill Haggerty and Daniel DeLeon. They believed in syndicalism—a general strike to shut the country down until workers got their fair share. If Great Grandpa Bacon was still alive he’d be regenerating Occupy which was the closest thing we’ve seen to a general strike in decades…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:38:59pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

What they’re thinking? “FUCK! IF THE MARKET DOESN’T RECOVER, MY/TRUMP’S REELECTION IS FUCKED!!!”

Well the Radical Xtians believe that this is a plague sent by the Big G to cleanse the nation of liberals, gays and colored folk…but they’re gonna get a shock when a lot of folks in megachurches wind up in makeshift hospital tents…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:42:04pm

The New York Times is collating the data from the fifty-four health jurisdictions in the USA (the fifty states, DC, Puerto Rico, VI, and Guam), since the CDC is not doing it.

They provide a logarithmic chart comparing nations with over twenty-five cases and plot them on the chart. The doubling rate for the USA for deaths falls between every three days and a week.

nytimes.com

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NetworkKed  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:45:21pm

Sure, but why they think killing 10-20 million (honestly I think upper bounds is more like 35 mil but that’s a long argument and functionally unlikely) is going to allow the stock market to *recover* is beyond me.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:46:11pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

It’s gotta be awful confusing to be a Berner right now. After months of screaming about how “the olds” are holding everybody else back, here come Republicans declaring that “the olds” need to accept death so that the economy can recover.

Colorado governor Richard Lamm was simply a man ahead of his time.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:48:22pm

re: #80 NetworkKed

Sure, but why they think killing 10-20 million (honestly I think upper bounds is more like 35 mil but that’s a long argument and functionally unlikely) is going to allow the stock market to *recover* is beyond me.

Because Hair Fuehrer cannot be wrong. If he is wrong, it’s because you were wrong.

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Dread Pirate  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:51:14pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:55:28pm

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Good for the NYT, but like so many daft web designers, they are using light gray for the color for so much of the text in the graph. It’s beyond annoying.

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2020 • 10:58:02pm

re: #80 NetworkKed

Sure, but why they think killing 10-20 million (honestly I think upper bounds is more like 35 mil but that’s a long argument and functionally unlikely) is going to allow the stock market to *recover* is beyond me.

Because the people in charge have the mentality of a cargo cult, figuring if they mime the happenings of an economic recovery, then a real recovery will occur and it will lead to Trump’s reelection. It helps that most of these morons actually believe in that whole “dignity of work” BS that says people would do anything to go back to work.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 23, 2020 • 11:02:07pm

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Colorado governor Richard Lamm was simply a man ahead of his time.

John Silber, the late president of BU, ran for governor in MA, 30 years ago, about the time of Lamm. He said, of the olds, “When you’re ripe, it’s time to go!”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 11:11:30pm

The Nebraska Cattlemen association is asking the USDA and our state’s congressional delegation to look into price manipulation in cattle prices due to coronavirus. Sales are down but prices are up.

And they want a “beef stimulus payment” due to rapid market decline for ranchers.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 11:15:13pm

#1 hashtag right now: #NotDyingForWallStreet

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 11:20:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 23, 2020 • 11:36:15pm

This has been a crappy day.

My aunt was six months older than my mother is now.

I’ll call my cousin tomorrow and see how she’s doing.

I’m off to bed: We’ll try for town tomorrow since we didn’t go today.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 23, 2020 • 11:55:07pm
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Dread Pirate  Mar 24, 2020 • 12:00:42am

The covid virus cases in China and South Korea have increased over yesterday’s numbers. Let’s hope it isn’t a trend.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2020 • 12:33:24am

re: #92 Dread Pirate

The covid virus cases in China and South Korea have increased over yesterday’s numbers. Let’s hope it isn’t a trend.

It’s possible a second outbreak wave has begun in China, at least. Beijing basically told everyone, “OK you bums, back to work!” and epidemiologists were talking about a second wave kicking off once the hardcore lockdowns in China came to an end.

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unproven innocence  Mar 24, 2020 • 1:14:55am

re: #43 Jason Munro

Exponential growth is hard for the human brain to grasp. I think because we simply don’t experience it in a visceral way regularly.

Folding a standard piece of paper in half 42 times would be thick enough to reach the moon from earth. This struck me the first time I heard it, and has been a useful analogy to explain growth rates to my kids.

Instead of folding it in half, a more practical operation may be tearing, or cutting in half, holding onto one part, and letting the other half fall away. And see how many times you can do THAT.
It’s like exponential growth, but in reverse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 1:52:09am

Germany is up to nearly 30K cases with 123 fatalities but the good news is that the rate of spreading is slowed due to restrictions and closures, it was at 15K five days ago.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 1:56:15am

re: #40 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2020 • 2:05:50am

What happens when you don’t listen to experts.

Chernobyl Shoe Factory Scene

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unproven innocence  Mar 24, 2020 • 2:58:53am

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Thanks for the list. I’ve seen most already.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 3:02:50am

re: #98 unproven innocence

Thanks for the list. I’ve seen most already.

except that we are a lot closer to Idiocracy than indicated on that chart

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ericblair  Mar 24, 2020 • 3:03:53am

re: #2 BlueSpotinAL

Cl’d, so here goes again…

This shit is HIGHLY contagious. Did you see that viable virus was found 17 days later on a cruise ship? Take care of yourselves.

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This is probably not the case…

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Teukka  Mar 24, 2020 • 3:04:28am

re: #40 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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This is true.

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Teukka  Mar 24, 2020 • 3:06:53am

re: #63 Dread Pirate

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2020 • 3:07:24am

*sigh* Well, apparently Gov. Northam has basically shut down Virginia for the next 30 days, but the paperwork is as clear as mud with regards to whether or not hotels are covered. And the local news station link goes to the CISA website on critical infrastructure with a section that covers hotels…but only “hotel workers where hotels are used for COVID-19 mitigation and containment measures.”

My supervisor told me the other day that we were considered “essential” in the event of a statewide shutdown, but now I’m not sure if that’s even true anymore. I might be on “vacation” for the next 30 days, folks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 3:09:43am

All this sitting about for the greater good just totally rankles those who are raised on the Calvinistic notion that we all have to either be working, adding to the GNP, or resting after a hard day’s work or praying to God all the time, anything else is just, just *wrong*…

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ericblair  Mar 24, 2020 • 4:24:47am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

All this sitting about for the greater good just totally rankles those who are raised on the Calvinistic notion that we all have to either be working, adding to the GNP, or resting after a hard day’s work or praying to God all the time, anything else is just, just *wrong*…

They can’t seem to understand it. Well, yes, giving low income people money directly will discourage work. BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO. Assholes.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 4:34:28am

re: #103 Targetpractice

*sigh* Well, apparently Gov. Northam has basically shut down Virginia for the next 30 days, but the paperwork is as clear as mud with regards to whether or not hotels are covered. And the local news station link goes to the CISA website on critical infrastructure with a section that covers hotels…but only “hotel workers where hotels are used for COVID-19 mitigation and containment measures.”

My supervisor told me the other day that we were considered “essential” in the event of a statewide shutdown, but now I’m not sure if that’s even true anymore. I might be on “vacation” for the next 30 days, folks.

Welcome to the club. On day 7 of a 30 day shutdown of Nevada Casinos. If this shit keeps getting worse (and it will) I expect to be out of work for a lot longer.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2020 • 4:41:49am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 4:46:29am

re: #107 Dr Lizardo

Bolsonaro taking yet another page out of the Trump playbook:

Coronavirus: Bolsonaro says media ‘tricking’ Brazilians over severity of pandemic

‘The people will soon see they were tricked by these governors and by the large part of the media,’ says president of disease which has killed dozens in his country.

Brazil’s president has claimed the media is “tricking” citizens over the severity of the coronavirus pandemic.

Jair Bolsonaro also accused politicians who have closed businesses and imposed lockdowns on citizens of exaggerating the risks of Covid-19.

He has described the deadly disease as “a little flu” for weeks despite Brazil’s death toll rising to 34 on Monday, up from 25 a day earlier, and cases in the country totalling 1,891.

On Sunday, the president told Record TV: “The people will soon see that they were tricked by these governors and by the large part of the media when it comes to coronavirus.”

[…]

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steve_davis  Mar 24, 2020 • 4:46:48am

re: #42 danarchy

just watched a segment on BBC news about Iranians travelling for the Persian New Year and estimates are that 8 million people are travelling ignoring government recommendations to stay home. They were interviewing some people at a checkpoint where they were screening people for symptoms.

Some of the things people were saying was incomprehensible.

“We aren’t travelling, we are just going to visit our parents, we wont stay long.”

Iran is fucked, you’d think an authoritarian regime would be well placed to enforce the measures necessary to slow the spread.

like pretty much all authoritarian governments, rule is a tenuous thing. the chinese are hypersensitive about this. When a billion people decide you don’t know what you are doing and their lives are in danger because of it, rulers can find themselves hanging from lamp posts in a hurry.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2020 • 4:51:06am

re: #108 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

“The people will soon see that they were tricked by these governors and by the large part of the media when it comes to coronavirus.”

Famous last words, perhaps?

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steve_davis  Mar 24, 2020 • 4:53:02am

re: #47 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

The old “rice on a chessboard” illustration works too (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32…).

I just watched a youtube video on this which helped. doubling 45 times gets you to the moon. doubling it ONE MORE TIME gets you back again.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 24, 2020 • 4:54:12am

re: #106 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Welcome to the club. On day 7 of a 30 day shutdown of Nevada Casinos. If this shit keeps getting worse (and it will) I expect to be out of work for a lot longer.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 4:54:53am

Surprisingly enough it was a unanimous vote. I thought for sure the maga(t)s would have fought this tooth and nail.

Twin Falls city, county issue declarations of emergency in response to COVID-19

But it’s not all encompassing.

The declaration does not amount to a shelter-in-place mandate or require businesses to close. Only Gov. Brad Little has the authority to issue restrictions on residents and private businesses, which he recently did in Blaine County after health officials discovered community spread there. The district confirms 36 cases in Blaine County, the most in the state.

Thankfully, most local restaurants have voluntarily closed their dining areas and are doing drive thru, curb side pickup or delivery.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2020 • 4:57:17am

A second coronavirus patient has died in Czech Republic - in this particular instance, a 45-year-old man with advanced metastatic cancer. Doctors state that COVID-19 hastened his death. The first victim was a 95-year-old man with a long history of heart disease who used a pacemaker.

So far, deaths in Czech Republic are in line with what we’ve seen elsewhere….the elderly and those with comorbidities.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:02:50am

Well, I had a chance to speak to my supervisor about the state shut down, and she hadn’t even heard about it. So odds are we’re not getting shut down, else there would be an all-hands-on-deck effort to figure out where we’re going to move 38 guests to in 16 hours. I’ll probably hear more between now and when I go in tonight, but odds are we’re staying open as “essential.”

*sigh* And I was really looking forward to a long vacation…//

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jeffreyw  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:04:56am

Who took the last peanut!?!

Good morning!

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:08:14am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:12:37am

re: #107 Dr Lizardo

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Bolsonaro’s rise coincided with Trump’s. Hopefully their falls will too.

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:45:41am

The recent increase in cases of covid19 in Hong Kong has been from people travelling. I predict that soon anybody coming into China will be under 14 day mandatory quarantine. They won’t be fooling around - they will track your movements.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:46:57am

Guys, did they explain why Barr was up there last night? I can only hear/see Trump so much so I skipped.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:50:32am
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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:51:52am

re: #120 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Barr was up there to threaten hoarders with “warehouses full of masks” that he would be “knocking on their doors.” Cover for Trump’s inactivity.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:52:40am

re: #121 jaunte

I swear. He’s going to get a lot of people killed due to his vanity and refusal to put public health before the economy. The economy can recover. Losing 2-3% of our population would be a devastating event.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:53:23am

re: #122 jaunte

Barr was up there to threaten hoarders with “warehouses full of masks” that he would be “knocking on their doors.” Cover for Trump’s inactivity.

Ah of course. I really fear this is going to get even worse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:55:10am

re: #121 jaunte

As you read various arguments floating around that perhaps we should ease public health restrictions to help the economy, I want you to notice that IN NO CASE ARE THESE ARGUMENTS BEING MADE BY ACTUAL ECONOMISTS.

“We don’t need advice from elitist deep-state leftist college-indoctrinated pseudoexperts!”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:55:18am

re: #121 jaunte

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The complete collapse of our healthcare system doesn’t seem like it would be good for the economy. OTHO, 6 of Trump’s 7 top revenue producing resorts are closed!

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jeffreyw  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:55:23am

re: #122 jaunte

Barr was up there to threaten hoarders with “warehouses full of masks” that he would be “knocking on their doors.” Cover for Trump’s inactivity.

So, elimination of waste, fraud, and abuse will cure all the shortages? Telling those fuckers on ebay selling ventilators that he’s coming for them!

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:57:41am

re: #127 jeffreyw

He bothered to mention specifically that he wasn’t talking about toilet paper hoarders,
but it was pretty clear they were covering for Trump not ordering businesses to produce PPE under the Defense Production Act.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:58:46am

“We don’t have PPE because hoarders and profiteers” gets Trump off the hook if anyone believes it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 5:59:28am

re: #128 jaunte

He bothered to mention specifically that he wasn’t talking about toilet paper hoarders,
but it was pretty clear they were covering for Trump not ordering businesses to produce PPE under the Defense Production Act.

More scapegoats…like the “war profiteers” and their “dagger thrust”…

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:02:11am

Well, I’ve been proven wrong again.

I imagined that Mango Moron would be spooked about the mounting death toll from the coronavirus and would rail at the media for mentioning deaths or anything like that to take away from his happy talk.

But, no, he’s already pivoting way beyond that. “The deaths are fine, really, there will be lots of them, but let’s not let the CURE be worse than the DISEASE. WE MUST SAVE (ME) THE ECONOMY.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:02:23am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:03:47am

re: #132 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

From the comments to that tweet:

Sarah @Sarahxskies 45m
Replying to
@SkyNews
Singaporean here Waving hand I feel I should clarify that second wave doesn’t mean it disappeared and came back. We have a spike in cases mainly from people who had been in the UK. We had far less when it was just China we had to worry about. The west should have acted sooner.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:05:16am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“We don’t need advice from elitist deep-state leftist college-indoctrinated pseudoexperts!”

Wingnuts: SAve the economy!

Person: What about our health? What do the health experts say?

Wingnuts: Let’s listen to economists, too!

Economist: Actually the health crisis will also hurt our economy.

Wingnuts: Hey you shut up you who asked you?!?!?!?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:12:07am

Trump knows that it will be the height of embarrassment if he has to declare bankruptcy in the midst of his term of office, and that seems to be looming.

Hence the slush fund aspect of the bailout package and the get-back-to-work order…

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:15:24am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As the Hoarse Whisperer has noted on twitter, narcissistic shame seems to be his only driver on this.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:16:33am
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sagehen  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:19:58am

re: #67 Dread Pirate

In one month it can double 10 times.

2^10 = 1024

1024 x 541 = 553984 dead.

That’s more Americans than died in WWII. When our entire population was less than half what it is today.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:21:05am
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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:21:37am

re: #123 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I swear. He’s going to get a lot of people killed due to his vanity and refusal to put public health before the economy. The economy can recover. Losing 2-3% of our population would be a devastating event.

He’s pissed that his hotels and golf businesses are shuttered beyond his control. He wants them reopened and this is how he intends to do it.

He doesn’t care about the death toll, or the casualties, or the destruction of our health care system. He cares only that he gets more money coming in.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:22:26am

re: #140 lawhawk

He’s pissed that his hotels and golf businesses are shuttered beyond his control. He wants them reopened and this is how he intends to do it.

He doesn’t care about the death toll, or the casualties, or the destruction of our health care system. He cares only that he gets more money coming in.

We’ve had bad Presidents. We’ve had presidents who were outright bastards. Trump will stand alone in American history as the worst of the worst when all this is over. He already does to me but this wlil cement it. He’s no leader. He’s a fucking loud mouthed coward.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:26:34am

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:28:23am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump knows that it will be the height of embarrassment if he has to declare bankruptcy in the midst of his term of office, and that seems to be looming.

Hence the slush fund aspect of the bailout package and the get-back-to-work order…

Personal ambitions driving national policy
whodathunkit possible?

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:30:07am

re: #140 lawhawk

He’s pissed that his hotels and golf businesses are shuttered beyond his control. He wants them reopened and this is how he intends to do it.

He doesn’t care about the death toll, or the casualties, or the destruction of our health care system. He cares only that he gets more money coming in.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:30:45am
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:30:53am

Substitute

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:33:46am

re: #142 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

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That and a gag ball locked into his mouth.

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NetworkKed  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:34:47am

re: #146 Belafon

Just say no to gerbiling.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:36:04am

10 points
Take 30 seconds to read it
What a leader could do easily

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:36:59am

The Dow is up about 1200 at the open

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:40:05am

Hey Rudy,
How’s it work in cholesterol?
Because thats about as relevant as whatever you think you’re implying

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:40:12am

Finally.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:41:11am

re: #151 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Hey Rudy,
How’s it work in cholesterol?
Because thats about as relevant as whatever you think you’re implying

I didn’t want a sequel to Rudy unless it’s Rudy Goes to Prison.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:41:56am
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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:44:21am

The impulse to pretend nothing is wrong, go out and give me your money is coming directly from Trump’s personality disorder.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:44:28am

re: #151 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:44:48am

“Americans” are a idiot

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:47:36am

The diarists 26 year old nephew is in the hospital with Covid-19. The family had been communicating with him via zoom, but he’s having to go on a ventilator, so the hospital is ending those. Now the family is stuck waiting to hear back from him (hopefully), and they can’t go visit him.

dailykos.com

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mmmirele  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:49:22am

I see the stock market is up nearly 1,200 points on the open. I guess killing grandma is a really popular way of revving up the economy. Fuck these people with an angle grinder.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:50:35am

re: #159 mmmirele

I see the stock market is up nearly 1,200 points on the open. I guess killing grandma is a really popular way of revving up the economy. Fuck these people with an angle grinder.

The news is saying that its about the stimulus, not grandma. Most business people know a reduced consumer base isn’t good for business.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:51:24am

re: #159 mmmirele

I see the stock market is up nearly 1,200 points on the open. I guess killing grandma is a really popular way of revving up the economy. Fuck these people with an angle grinder.

I agree with your sentiment but that is likely not why this is
It’s the weekly take a breath before it nosedives again in a day or so

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:51:52am

re: #158 Belafon

This is something we’ve had to talk to my oldest son about. He’s in Lexington, KY, while we’re in Dallas. If he were to catch it, and end up in the hospital, we couldn’t go visit him. There wouldn’t be any point. We would have to wait.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:53:42am

What lawhawk et Al have been saying

In an opinion column for The Washington Post, Lipsitch ripped “the feckless federal response” in speeding up testing delays, which he said meant “most cases here are not being confirmed, even now.”

He said the true number of people infected with the virus in the U.S. could be more than 10 times higher than the confirmed figure

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:55:42am

re: #162 Belafon

This is something we’ve had to talk to my oldest son about. He’s in Lexington, KY, while we’re in Dallas. If he were to catch it, and end up in the hospital, we couldn’t go visit him. There wouldn’t be any point. We would have to wait.

My kids are with their mom in Alsace, on the other side of the French border, which is currently closed.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:56:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:56:26am

re: #163 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

“the feckless federal responseg

they couldn’t five a feck

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:57:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:58:07am

They are really trying to soften us up to the notion of “sacrificing” our old & weak…what could be the logic behind that?

“Okay, we will let grandma live but only if we shut down all abortion providers nation-wide”?

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 24, 2020 • 6:59:48am

re: #32 Ace Rothstein

The country is finished. We had a nice run.

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So patients are allowed to request whatever meds they want in hospital now? I didn’t watch the clip nor read about it anywhere, but if he was on deaths doorstep then I would think he was in a hospital. If not bad enough for a hospital, he might have just gotten better no matter what he did.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:04:20am

re: #151 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Hey Rudy,
How’s it work in cholesterol?
Because thats about as relevant as whatever you think you’re implying

My dad was telling me about taking meds for malaria when he was in Vietnam. He said they took something every day, but you could still end up with it. And when you did, the medicine might help you with the symptoms, but you would have relapses every so often. It would generally take about two years after no longer being exposed before you stopped suffering from it.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:06:52am

Still can’t get over having a president say about the pandemic sweeping his country that I DON’T TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY and 53% of the country is like, yeah, I approve of the president’s leadership in the pandemic crisis.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:07:18am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:08:01am

re: #167 jaunte

Maryland is a Stay At Home state in all but name.

Non-essential business closed, don’t be in a group of 10 or more.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:08:55am

re: #116 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Same to you!

The pause that refreshes
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:10:12am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:12:11am

re: #176 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

He might hurt FOX’s bottom line though…

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Dr. Matt  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:13:26am

Brutal thread.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:14:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:14:48am

re: #172 Sir John Barron

Still can’t get over having a president say about the pandemic sweeping his country that I DON’T TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY and 53% of the country is like, yeah, I approve of the president’s leadership in the pandemic crisis.

People still want to rally around the leadership in times of crisis.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:15:11am

Wealthy Covid-19 investor Mitch McConnell lying on tv now.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:15:54am
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:16:56am

re: #181 jaunte

No conflict of interest here. Nothing to see. Move along.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:16:57am

Helpful tip:

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:18:36am

re: #184 jaunte

That is a good one. I have to remember it. :)

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William Lewis  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:18:45am

re: #61 Targetpractice

I will say now that if Trump coming out and demanding people “go back to work” doesn’t lead to a general strike, then nothing he does will and we need to drop that idea.

It won’t. American’s couldn’t do it in the great depression; they won’t do it now. Only Commies do that. < spit >

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:19:31am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are really trying to soften us up to the notion of “sacrificing” our old & weak…what could be the logic behind that?

“Okay, we will let grandma live but only if we shut down all abortion providers nation-wide”?

Maybe we should stop saying “grandma?” It’s crystal clear that it will be grandpa who kicks it. In other words, all those guys of a certain age who are talking about acceptable losses should be prepared to be the acceptable loss.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:19:39am

re: #185 PhillyPretzel

T-shirt design:

“You might feel healthy, but you don’t know if I’m sick or not.”

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:20:26am
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:20:54am

re: #188 jaunte

hmm. That would work.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:22:04am

Cheeto Benito RT’d this video of Dr. Fauci:

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:24:49am

re: #51 Belafon

I thought you all might find this interesting and maybe a little funny. Once Hunt county declared that it was going into shelter at home mode, my company sent out documents for us to carry so that we would be allowed to travel. We’re supposed to have this in our car in case we get stopped trying to go to or from work:

[snip]

Back in the 80’s I worked for Harris county in Houston. Hurricane Alicia came through and made a total mess of downtown. I had to show my county Central Data Processing security card to cops a couple times to prove I was allowed to be driving where I was driving downtown to get to work. Us in Central Data Processing were essential employees since we ran the computer center hub that maintained communication and data for all law enforcement, 911, and other emergency staff (among other things). Ahhh, back in my big iron IBM mainframe days.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:25:22am

re: #189 jaunte

CONGRESS MUST ACT NOW….to do what, exactly?

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:25:43am

re: #191 The Pie Overlord!

Someone should report that post. I know nothing will come of it but he has insulted the good doctor.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:26:23am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are really trying to soften us up to the notion of “sacrificing” our old & weak…what could be the logic behind that?

“Okay, we will let grandma live but only if we shut down all abortion providers nation-wide”?

Texas and Ohio AGs using the pandemic to order a ban on “unnecessary” abortions.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:26:38am

re: #184 jaunte

Helpful tip:

Hrr hurrr, Social Distance Warriors!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:26:51am

re: #189 jaunte

Dangerous fuckwit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:28:05am

re: #195 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Texas and Ohio AGs using the pandemic to order a ban on “unnecessary” abortions.

Yes, that was also what led me to that notion…they will never take their eye off the prize.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:29:31am

Interview on npr
Guy delivers tortillas and other food to grocery stores

“My survival is based on other people being responsible”

(Just like with vaccines)

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wrenchwench  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:31:12am

200

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:31:28am

Oh, and the summer Olympics have been put off to 2021.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:31:34am

re: #189 jaunte

And his Hotels as well. Forgot the Hotels.

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unproven innocence  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:32:22am

re: #188 jaunte

T-shirt design:

“You might feel healthy, but you don’t know if I’m sick or not.”

If I had such a shirt, I’d add on the back:
“And I might not know either.”

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:33:48am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People still want to rally around the leadership in times of crisis.

If I saw any I’d consider it

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NetworkKed  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:36:46am

It’s amazing just how many people are missing that the slush fund is 500 BILLION, not 500 million. It’s like the number is so big that no one can believe it.

The really sad thing is something like it is probably needed, as one part of stimulus. There really are critical industries that will need help. But the secrecy aspect of it poisons everything.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:37:17am

re: #189 jaunte

Trump’s dumbassery is pervasive, overwhelming, and deadly in its effect/consequences:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:39:04am

Certain Trump-loving outlets are championing that Monmouth poll out yesterday, in which Trump gets a 50% approval rating in regards to Covid-19.

That of course is less than the 55% a few days earlier from ABC.

But the other Monmouth data suggests many Americans are still not believing that SARS-Cov-2 really is contagious, that the case fatality rate even when first rate health care systems are able to handle the load is still over 1%. And that the CFR goes up significantly where said first rate health care system does not exist or is overwhelmed.

If we go down Trump’s desired path and just don’t do lockdowns anymore, it will take at least 100k American deaths to finally get people to accept that a pandemic really is a threat to their own lives.

Until then, I guess we sleepwalk into the fog.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:39:08am

re: #202 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

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And his Hotels as well. Forgot the Hotels.

Well pass the bill today and go back to work as long as there’s an explicit clause in the bill that says no money goes to you or any of your businesses. Deal?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:39:56am

Trump doesn’t like the lockdowns because he can’t do his rallies and get the adoration he desperately needs.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:40:13am

re: #203 unproven innocence

If I had such a shirt, I’d add on the back:
“And I might not know either.”

“Without a test who knows whose got it?”

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:40:55am

re: #205 NetworkKed

It’s amazing just how many people are missing that the slush fund is 500 BILLION, not 500 million. It’s like the number is so big that no one can believe it.

The really sad thing is something like it is probably needed, as one part of stimulus. There really are critical industries that will need help. But the secrecy aspect of it poisons everything.

Because we know whose in charge of it

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:41:55am

re: #209 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So DT is going through withdrawal. Is there a way we can make it more intense for him?
::: evil grin :::

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:41:59am

re: #210 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

“Without a test who knows whose got it?”

You know it by the number of hospitalizations, and the death toll.

And the mortality rate is far higher because you’re not testing widely.

We’re approaching 600 dead and 50k confirmed cases. 15-20% of the confirmed cases are hospitalized. That number keeps doubling every 2-3 days.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:42:53am

re: #213 lawhawk

You know it by the number of hospitalizations, and the death toll.

And the mortality rate is far higher because you’re not testing widely.

We’re approaching 600 dead and 50k confirmed cases. 15-20% of the confirmed cases are hospitalized. That number keeps doubling every 2-3 days.

I meant for the T-shirt…

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:44:06am

re: #188 jaunte

T-shirt design:

“You might feel healthy, but you don’t know if I’m sick or not.”

“If you’re close enough to read this you’re too close”

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:45:18am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:46:46am

He craves his rallies because his rallies are the only place where he feels safe from the truth that he’s a terrible person and President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:47:01am

A friend noted on FB that even BMW drivers on the Autobahn are keeping to the 6 feet of safety distance from the car ahead of them…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:47:15am

Another fascist authoritarian making moves:

Proposed Hungarian laws could imprison journalists covering coronavirus response

Hungarian lawmakers should not pass amendments to the country’s criminal code that threaten journalists with prison sentences for their coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Committee to Protect Journalists said today.

The Hungarian National Assembly is scheduled to vote on March 31 on a set of amendments to the country’s penal code that would indefinitely extend the current state of emergency in place in response to the coronavirus outbreak, and which would impose prison sentences on those deemed to be spreading false information about the pandemic, according to news reports and the amendments, which CPJ reviewed. Hungary declared a state of emergency, cancelling most public events and restricting entry in the country, on March 11, according to reports.

The amendments include prison sentences of up to three years for those convicted of spreading falsehoods about the virus that are “alarming or agitating [to] a large group of people,” and would impose prison terms of up to five years for those convicted of spreading a falsehood or “distorted truth” that has negative repercussions for public health.

Government officials and pro-government media outlets have accused independent media organizations of spreading false information when they have questioned the government’s approach to handling the coronavirus crisis, according to news reports.

[…]

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:47:31am

re: #205 NetworkKed

It’s amazing just how many people are missing that the slush fund is 500 BILLION, not 500 million. It’s like the number is so big that no one can believe it.

The really sad thing is something like it is probably needed, as one part of stimulus. There really are critical industries that will need help. But the secrecy aspect of it poisons everything.

Here is why

President Trump has already said where he wants some of the money to go, promising assistance to cruise ship companies, for example, that have operations in Miami. And when he was asked Monday evening who would perform oversight of the program, Trump responded, ‘I’ll be the oversight.’”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:48:30am

re: #219 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Another fascist authoritarian making moves:

Proposed Hungarian laws could imprison journalists covering coronavirus response

Orban is another one that Trump has praised.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:49:37am

Imagine the epic tantrum Trump would throw if he tried to restart the economy and states and companies were like: “Screw you, we’re keeping it shut down for now.”

He doesn’t have the control he thinks he does in this situation.

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unproven innocence  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:50:22am

re: #205 NetworkKed

It’s amazing just how many people are missing that the slush fund is 500 BILLION, not 500 million. It’s like the number is so big that no one can believe it.

The really sad thing is something like it is probably needed, as one part of stimulus. There really are critical industries that will need help. But the secrecy aspect of it poisons everything.

It could become an Enabling Act without any accountability whatsoever, for several months. What would stop him from allocating much of it for Blackwater, for example?

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NetworkKed  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:51:01am

re: #220 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Here is why

That’s why he wants it - it’s in no way why people are missing three orders of magnitude.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:51:55am

re: #212 PhillyPretzel

So DT is going through withdrawal. Is there a way we can make it more intense for him?
::: evil grin :::

Sure is. Don’t air his “press conferences” live or otherwise.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:52:22am

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes. He might actually have a stroke from that. Then we would be stuck with Pence.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:53:04am

re: #225 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Sure is. Don’t air his “press conferences” live or otherwise.

Fox will always give him that.

What the other reporters should start doing is ask Pence all the questions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:53:58am

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

Imagine the epic tantrum Trump would throw if he tried to restart the economy and states and companies were like: “Screw you, we’re keeping it shut down for now.”

He doesn’t have the control he thinks he does in this situation.

A lot of companies would not be able to function if a large portion of their workforce became sick at once.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:54:21am
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lizardofid  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:54:27am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A friend noted on FB that even BMW drivers on the Autobahn are keeping to the 6 feet of safety distance from the car ahead of them…

Cute (but I don’t believe they really are) : )

Oh, hello everyone!

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:55:01am

No matter what Trump does in the ensuring weeks, what he has FAILED to do in the crucial period Jan-March, has doomed us to another Great Depression.

Here’s how we got through the last one:

Even the affluent faced severe belt-tightening.

Four years after 1929 stock market crash, during the bleakest point of the Great Depression, about a quarter of the U.S. workforce was unemployed. Those that were lucky enough to have steady employment often saw their wages cut or their hours reduced to part-time.

Even upper-middle class professionals, such as doctors and lawyers, saw their incomes drop by as much as 40 percent. Families who had previously enjoyed economic security suddenly faced financial instability or, in some cases, ruin.

The average American family lived by the Depression-era motto: “Use it up, wear it out, make do or do without.” Many tried to keep up appearances and carry on with life as close to normal as possible while they adapted to new economic circumstances.

Households embraced a new level of frugality in daily life. They kept kitchen gardens, patched worn-out clothes and passed on trips to the movies as they privately struggled to retain ownership of a home or automobile.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:55:45am

re: #174 Sir John Barron

Maryland is a Stay At Home state in all but name.

Non-essential business closed, don’t be in a group of 10 or more.

I listened to Hogan speak on Monday about where the state should go, and while he may be a republican, he is a MD republican , spoke well, and was reassuring and thoughtful.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:56:13am

re: #212 PhillyPretzel

So DT is going through withdrawal. Is there a way we can make it more intense for him?
::: evil grin :::

Well, look, if he and his cult followers want to gather for a rally during this pandemic…..

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:56:44am

re: #232 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I listened to Hogan speak on Monday about where the state should go, and while he may be a republican, he is a MD republican , spoke well, and was reassuring and thoughtful.

Yeah, he’s been a leader in this, way out in front of things, unlike the guy in the WH.

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NetworkKed  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:58:30am

re: #233 Sir John Barron

Effectively they already are - instead of a briefing he’s running a Fox “town hall” today. I’m almost tempted to watch to see what a shitshow that is.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:58:34am

re: #227 Belafon

“Fox will always give him that.”

True dat.

“What the other reporters should start doing is ask Pence all the questions.”

Would only work for a bit before Pence was desperately needed elsewhere.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 7:58:35am

re: #189 jaunte

“Our people want to return to work”.

Sure, but they don’t want to die, either, you rally-deprived addict.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:00:34am

Here is what the 0.1% are afraid of:

What happens AFTER the crisis is over will be crucial. We must smash Fox News and the interlocking networks like AEI, Federalist, Cato, etc., that serve the interests of the plutarchs.

We must raise taxes on the wealthy to WWII levels - 75% or above.

We must restore the power of unions and labor to bargain with the plutarchs.

We must close loopholes in taxes that allow Amazon to pay 0% in taxes.

Do not waste a good crisis. Start planning for this now.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:00:55am

re: #236 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Would only work for a bit before Pence was desperately needed elsewhere.

Keep asking the other person. And then it’ll just be down to Trump. At that point, nail him with questions.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:02:21am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:03:20am

re: #240 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Don’t know what has gotten into the DailyFail, but they are failing less and less with their headlines:

BREAKING NEWS: I WILL defy the doctors says Donald Trump claiming ‘our people want to return to work’ and ‘seniors will be watched over’ despite medical experts warning his back to business plan could kill MILLIONS

Scumbag sigh.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:04:37am

re: #234 Sir John Barron

Yeah, he’s been a leader in this, way out in front of things, unlike the guy in the WH.

He won re-election by a considerable amount for a reason in a very Democratic year and state for a reason.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:05:17am

re: #239 Belafon

Keep asking the other person. And then it’ll just be down to Trump. At that point, nail him with questions.

Works for me. But you know as well as I do that will be the point that he quits having these press conferences. Fox and OANN isn’t watched by enough people to fulfill his craving for attention.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:07:40am

re: #243 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I don’t know about that, yesterday I was driving on I-45 (Woodlands) and an SUV was in the next lane with an OAN bumper sticker.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:08:32am

re: #243 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Works for me. But you know as well as I do that will be the point that he quits having these press conferences. Fox and OANN isn’t watched by enough people to fulfill his craving for attention.

Agree. I’m just looking for a way to make him crack.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:09:41am

He has a point.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:13:08am

re: #246 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Looking at Miller’s timberline, it looks like very lurks he says it’s serious. Quite a lot of good parodies.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:13:24am

That’s a huge hit to the global supply chain. Huge hit to the global economy, and if India can do that kind of shutdown, then Trump’s half-assed lip service shows how the US will be the epicenter of the covid19 pandemic.

I’ve been warning of that for a while, but with cases doubling every 2-3 days, it’s just days before we exceed the number of China cases that they officially admit to. And we will blow by it by a wide margin precisely because of Trump’s failures to act aggressively at the outset, and his half assed moves now don’t help.

Heck, we’ve got Florida threatening to shut air travel to/from NYC metro, which is of dubious state power to do, but even if you ignore the legality, you’d run into the fact that it’s already rampant nationwide with a major outbreak inside Florida itself. Florida is spreading it elsewhere (thanks Spring Breakers). There was no domestic air travel screening for covid19, allowing it to spread unfettered. That continues even now.

That’s on Trump and the TSA/DHS. They aren’t paying any attention to the public health experts.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:13:56am

re: #243 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Works for me. But you know as well as I do that will be the point that he quits having these press conferences. Fox and OANN isn’t watched by enough people to fulfill his craving for attention.

And the downside is what?

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:14:21am

re: #235 NetworkKed

Effectively they already are - instead of a briefing he’s running a Fox “town hall” today. I’m almost tempted to watch to see what a shitshow that is.

I hope they’re not going to pack a crowd of his fans in to watch.

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mmmirele  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:19:08am

Following in the footsteps of other banks, my evil too big to fail employer is

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sagehen  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:19:29am

Cuomo is on TV now BEGGING for Trump to use the DPA, for Azar to release the 20k ventilators in the stockpile.

BEGGING.

We have 25k cases NOW. And it’s rising.

We need 30K ventilators NOW. He’s promising as soon as we pass the peak, he’ll send them along to whoever needs them next.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:20:12am
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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:21:26am

Experiencing this with my own family at the moment. 80+ year father refuses to acknowledge that he NEEDS TO STAY HOME.

Despite 1) diabetes 2) multiple heart attacks 3) high blood pressure 4) advanced age

I am having to accept that he is probably going to die of this in the next few months.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:30:10am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:31:42am

re: #255 makeitstop

I have no formal medical training, but I know a bit about medicine and was actually wondering a few days ago if this approach might be feasible.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:33:41am

re: #249 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

And the downside is what?

None that I can see.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:35:19am

re: #245 Belafon

Agree. I’m just looking for a way to make him crack.

Well a full force melt down on National T.V. would be wondrous thing to see. Bet it would have #MoscowMitch shitting his pants on the Senate floor. :-)

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:38:11am

Well, I guess a lot of the students at Liberty University are about to find out if there really IS a god …

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:40:11am

re: #259 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Well, I guess a lot of the students at Liberty University are about to find out if there really IS a god …

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Hopefully Jerry himself gets it and I hope it’s painful.I don’t give a fuck about him given his callous attitude.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:43:27am

re: #260 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Hopefully Jerry himself gets it and I hope it’s painful.I don’t give a fuck about him given his callous attitude.

Hey he’s got to replenish the $1.8 million he spent on his pool boy stud!

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William Lewis  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:43:42am

re: #254 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Experiencing this with my own family at the moment. 80+ year father refuses to acknowledge that he NEEDS TO STAY HOME.

Despite 1) diabetes 2) multiple heart attacks 3) high blood pressure 4) advanced age

I am having to accept that he is probably going to die of this in the next few months.

Thankfully my 85 year old father doesn’t feel that way. He had a heart attack 2 years ago and knows he’s not as strong as he was. Plus he assisted autopsies for the last 50 years - he understands what kills more than most do. He hasn’t been called in lately. I told him to be sure to let them give him a Lay Off so he can apply for unemployment :D My stepmother has even more fragile health than him but she was an RN and is quite careful as a result. Even though she is a member of a rather cultish church, they’ve stopped their in home meetings and are using teleconferencing software to do their “meetings”. That makes me say “thank god” if you’ll pardon me :)

(I’m just sticking with my 1549 prayer book and a copy of the KJV for solo worship. Lousy translation for scholarship but oh that language is beautiful these days.)

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:43:51am

re: #259 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

And LaSalle University is still closed. At least the Christian Brothers understand modern medicine. ::: evil grin :::

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:45:02am

Under the question IS NATIONWIDE TESTING NECESSARY?, DW gives the following:

Up to thirty percent of coronavirus cases asymptomatic

In South Korea, nationwide testing, comprehensive isolation of Covid-19 patients and strict rules on social interaction have shown results. The measures have proved effective in slowing the spread of the coronavirus.

The strategies for handling the spread of coronavirus are as varied as countries themselves. National health authorities, for instance, have different interpretations of the infectiousness of asymptomatic patients.

As a rule, infected people start to show symptoms within five days. But in some cases, the incubation period can last as long as three weeks.

Information released by the Chinese government, and reported in the South China Morning Post newspaper, suggests that the number of “silent carriers” — that’s people who have tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus but who show no symptoms, or delayed symptoms — could be as high as thirty percent.

Those Chinese data have been confirmed by a group of Japanese experts, led by Hiroshi Nishiura, an epidemiologist at Hokkaido University.

Among the Japanese patients evacuated from Wuhan, the center of the coronavirus outbreak, 30.8 percent were asymptomatic.

In a letter to the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, the Japanese experts say there’s “a gap” between reports from China and estimates based on cases diagnosed outside China and that that suggests a “substantial number of cases are underdiagnosed.”

[…]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:45:16am

re: #261 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey he’s got to replenish the $1.8 million he spent on his pool boy stud!

I also have a feeling it is more about his personal finances than anything else.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:46:41am

re: #265 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also have a feeling it is more about his personal finances than anything else.

I got a feeling Jerry has a more than a couple of boys on the side…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:46:44am

re: #263 PhillyPretzel

And LaSalle University is still closed. At least the Christian Brothers understand modern medicine. ::: evil grin :::

I think Georgetown did too. They’re also officially Catholic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:49:00am

re: #267 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think Georgetown did too. They’re also officially Catholic.

Catholics at least do not have a problem with modern science.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:49:08am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹🏡

The Nebraska Cattlemen association is asking the USDA and our state’s congressional delegation to look into price manipulation in cattle prices due to coronavirus. Sales are down but prices are up.

And they want a “beef stimulus payment” due to rapid market decline for ranchers.

Again, where are their fucking bootstraps?

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William Lewis  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:50:01am

re: #267 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think Georgetown did too. They’re also officially Catholic.

The Jesuits have been hardcore about science for centuries. Them and the Franciscans are the ones I respect on that side of the Tiber.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:51:59am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Catholics at least do not have a problem with modern science.

I know.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:52:42am

re: #270 William Lewis

The Jesuits have been hardcore about science for centuries. Them and the Franciscans are the ones I respect on that side of the Tiber.

Yep. Francis himself is a scientist. MS in chemistry I believe.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:53:16am
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lizardofid  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:54:16am

If I were a photo shop wizard, I would def put Dan Patrick’s face on 50 cent’s “Get Rich or Die Tryin” cover.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:54:52am
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:56:04am

re: #275 Dr. Matt

They certainly do in that one.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:58:32am

re: #159 mmmirele

I see the stock market is up nearly 1,200 points on the open. I guess killing grandma is a really popular way of revving up the economy. Fuck these people with an angle grinder.

So $2 trillion buys around 1500 points on the Dow. How much is it going to take to get it back to where it was before the roof caved in?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:59:00am

Circling around social media, and even many regular media outlets, is the claim that there was found on the Grand Princess “live” SARS-Cov-2 after 17 days. Often the source is not cited, but better articles to cite the online CDC report, but the report doesn’t exactly say what people think it says:

SARS-CoV-2 RNA was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted (Takuya Yamagishi, National Institute of Infectious Diseases, personal communication, 2020). Although these data cannot be used to determine whether transmission occurred from contaminated surfaces, further study of fomite transmission of SARS-CoV-2 aboard cruise ships is warranted.

Just because RNA can be identified does not necessarily mean there is a viable virus that can infect you. Time will tell if that is true, but that report is just about detecting RNA.

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2020 • 8:59:31am

re: #277 Skip Intro

So $2 trillion buys around 1500 points on the Dow. How much is it going to take to get it back to where it was before the roof caved in?

I just saw an analysis that was $5T.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:00:36am

re: #279 retired cynic

I just saw an analysis that was $5T.

Damn…

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:00:55am

Thank you, Governor.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:04:15am

BOOM!

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Dr. Matt  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:04:34am

Madam POTUS dropped a nuke:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:04:42am

re: #281 makeitstop

Thank you, Governor.

I hated the title for Rudy but I think Andrew Cuomo is truly America’s governor in all this. New Yorkers are fortunate to have him. Anyone who thought Cynthia Nixon was a great idea really needs to have their political head examined.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:05:05am

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

BOOM!

Oh shit, I think Hillary just tomahawk dunked Trump.

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danarchy  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:05:12am

re: #281 makeitstop

[Embedded content]

Thank you, Governor.

So all this has me thinking what is the acceptable number? You have people saying one extra death is too many, and while I understand that sentiment it is clearly not true or we would shut down every flu season and mandate vaccination. 1-2% is clearly too high, so at what number is the cutoff for “acceptable losses” and why?

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:06:11am

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

BOOM!

[Embedded content]

Hello, 911? I’d like to report a murder.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:07:34am

re: #286 danarchy

So all this has me thinking what is the acceptable number? You have people saying one extra death is too many, and while I understand that sentiment it is clearly not true or we would shut down every flu season and mandate vaccination. 1-2% is clearly too high, so at what number is the cutoff for “acceptable losses” and why?

The number of acceptable losses is what would happen if we did everything we reasonably could. Which means that, with Trump in charge, we will exceed that number.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:07:54am

re: #287 Targetpractice

Hello, 911? I’d like to report a murder.

I think that one’s going to require the FBI to find his remains.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:10:04am

The problem is this callous attitude of acting like 1-2% of the population isn’t a big deal. Think of all the people you know: friends, family, co-workers, neighbors, etc. That’s one or two people out of one hundred. Since shit started hitting the fan, I’ve worried for a lot of my older relatives. My only living grand aunt is a 88 year old widow who lives alone in Pennsylvania. My uncle/godfather is a cancer survivor who lives in Florida. And I have another aunt who recently lost her husband and son who is in a nursing home in Colorado. Biden had it right. All walks of life are going to be impacted by this.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:10:31am

And yes, reasonable in this case does mean extreme measures. But the balance is actually this: If we were to make everyone stay home for two months, lots of people would die from starvation, neglect, fires, and a whole bunch of other stuff, so we obviously can’t go that far. That’s where the balance has to come in at.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:10:45am

re: #289 Belafon

I think that one’s going to require the FBI to find his remains.

I totally can see him whining about this on Twitter because that’s what President Poopy Pants does when the truth gets told about him by people who actually know shit.

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:12:15am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:12:33am

You remember the bit about how the true measure of a society is how it treats its poorest and most needy?

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:16:12am

re: #286 danarchy

So all this has me thinking what is the acceptable number? You have people saying one extra death is too many, and while I understand that sentiment it is clearly not true or we would shut down every flu season and mandate vaccination. 1-2% is clearly too high, so at what number is the cutoff for “acceptable losses” and why?

‘Acceptable losses’ are those we are willing to accept as a society such that normal function can be maintained. We accept that the flu will kill a certain number of elderly people every year. That is, for want of a better phrase, natural causes. We accept that a certain number of people will die every year driving so that we can have a modern society that travels and works over a greater distance. When that number gets too high, we take measures, such as speed limits, seat belts, etc, to keep that number to an acceptable level.

What is acceptable varies from cause to cause and society to society. In the US, for instance, we accept thousands of deaths every year from people shooting each other. We consider that an acceptable sacrifice to maintain white supremacy in this culture. No other modern society does, so other societies take measures to stop that. And because those measures are not burdensome or difficult, those measures are adhered to and gun deaths stop.

Similarly, we accept certain risks once rational people have judged those risks and made a judgement. When SARS and Ebola were a concern, people who know about these things looked at it and found that the risk of widespread outbreak was very low if certain measures were taken, and the few deaths in this country that might occur were acceptable. The necessary measures were not enough to impact the economy and the risks were mitigated relatively easily, so we accepted a small number of illnesses and deaths.

In this case, experts judge that if we do not take significant measures, the amount of death will be in the hundreds of thousands to millions. Most people consider that unacceptable, so we are willing to take these extreme measures. But just as with gun deaths, right now the US media is going to work extremely hard to convince Americans that those millions of deaths are, in fact, acceptable. And it is possible that, as a society, Americans will agree, just as they have agreed on guns.

The cutoff, then, is whatever the society or culture accepts that it is. Right now, we don’t accept millions. Soon, we may.

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BigPapa  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:16:22am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You remember the bit about how the true measure of a society is how it treats its poorest and most needy?

(Picture of rich guy laughing)

The Pro Life/Sanctity of Life party is sure cool cool with letting folks die for jobs, which are now as important as fetuses.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:17:08am

re: #296 BigPapa

(Picture of rich guy laughing)

The Pro Life/Sanctity of Life party is sure cool cool with letting folks die for jobs, which are now as important as fetuses.

But they will nonetheless lobby to keep the abortion clinics closed permanently…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:18:40am

Seems like the twitteratti are burying Trump’s idea of giving up on a shutdown so soon.

Unfortunately, the MAGAhats on Facebook are still all in about the evil Democrats and their schemes to steal elections via something or other.

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:19:04am
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unproven innocence  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:19:19am

Tuesday 24 March, a vital message (from Dr John Campbell):

Tuesday 24 March, a vital message

Good explanation of the effects of social-distancing, and why it’s necessary. Also, at about 10m mark, some reasons for hope (in Britain and some other countries(but not in USA imho) for utility of antigens tests and antibodies tests.

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A Cranky One  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:20:39am

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:20:52am

re: #299 retired cynic

In her next one, she responds to DT offering covid19 tests to North Korea, etc.

He’s offering tests to North Korea and Iran when we are desperate for them here? Get a helicopter and a parachute and drop his fat lily white naked butt in the middle of either one of those countries with “A Have A Virus” tattooed on his chest.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:24:20am

re: #303 Dr. Matt

The ignorance is something to behold….
‘IT’S NOT EBOLA!’ Trump supporters flip out at Liz Cheney after she pushes back on plans to restart economy

Liz, this is the party and cult you and your father helped to create. I’m glad you’re not being a total moron like Trump but you own this because you and your party of enablers continued to dismiss legitimate criticism of this qualified orange shit stain on our Republic. Thank you but fuck you too.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:26:12am

re: #304 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Liz, this is the party and cult you and your father helped to create. I’m glad you’re not being a total moron like Trump but you own this because you and your party of enablers continued to dismiss legitimate criticism of this qualified orange shit stain on our Republic. Thank you but fuck you too.

Liz has done enough on her own to turn the party into a cult that she doesn’t need her daddy anymore.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:27:05am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:27:19am

Cases passed the 400k mark.

Only a few days ago it was at 200k.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:30:26am

re: #305 Belafon

Liz has done enough on her own to turn the party into a cult that she doesn’t need her daddy anymore.

Yep. That’s true.

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William Lewis  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:33:06am

So, apparently Pawn Shops due to the licensing for granting loans are considered financial institutions and thus are essential. Bummer. I have to figure out where I’m going to come up with the $50 for interest on Friday (I’d love to just get everything back, especially my guitars, but $450 just isn’t going to happen :( )

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sagehen  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:33:51am

re: #286 danarchy

So all this has me thinking what is the acceptable number? You have people saying one extra death is too many, and while I understand that sentiment it is clearly not true or we would shut down every flu season and mandate vaccination. 1-2% is clearly too high, so at what number is the cutoff for “acceptable losses” and why?

Usually, the yearly flu season has an amount of cases that hospitals have enough beds and vents and personnel and everything else. Sick people get whatever can be done, everyone else can go about their lives. What makes this different, is we don’t.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:34:56am
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Dr. Matt  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:34:57am

The financial upside for me with the WFH policies is that I’m saving over $100 per week on not buying morning coffee, lunch, afternoon coffee, and no dry cleaning for work clothes. So, there’s that….. :|

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:35:08am
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Dr. Matt  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:36:56am

The Jerry Falwell of governors.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:37:18am

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Well, sir, I can respond. Dan has 5 grandchildren. He should volunteer to be the first sacrifice. Unfortunately, we don’t have a volcano to throw him into here in Texas. Would the good people of California be willing to loan us Mount Lassen?

Can’t they just stake him to an anthill or something?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:38:11am

re: #267 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think Georgetown did too. They’re also officially Catholic.

Jesuit - the sciencey flavor.

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:38:29am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Can’t they just stake him to an anthill or someting?

I could vote for that, and I don’t live anywhere close to Texas. But he qualifies as a National Disaster for this and other things.

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:39:28am

Tamié Abbey
At this monastery, monks make raw-milk cheese and use excess whey to create methane that powers their hot-water system. Atlas Obscura

Now I want the cheese, but it was the ingenious energy system that really caught me.

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:41:47am
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:46:15am

Trump has never done anything responsible in his entire life. As others here have said, he never ordered a lockdown of the entire nation — nor did he ask governors to issue such orders in their own states. As long as people can freely travel between states, we aren’t going to experience as effective flattening of the curve as other nations.

Unfortunately the MSM is repeating their performance of 2016. Of course, the situation is different now that he is president, but they are giving him billions of dollars of free airtime to command the stage and an audience of millions. The Democrats aren’t being giving an equal opportunity — except for Andrew Cuomo. Biden needs to be offered a similar platform.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:46:24am

re: #319 gocart mozart

The Trump Admin is deliberately shortchanging NY because they want New Yorkers to die.

Prove me wrong.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:47:24am

re: #321 Eclectic Cyborg

The Trump Admin is deliberately shortchanging NY because they want New Yorkers to die.

Prove me wrong.

He is waiting for NY State to drop its investigations of him and his businesses. He has implied that and now we see what the results are.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:47:33am

re: #309 William Lewis

So, apparently Pawn Shops due to the licensing for granting loans are considered financial institutions and thus are essential. Bummer. I have to figure out where I’m going to come up with the $50 for interest on Friday (I’d love to just get everything back, especially my guitars, but $450 just isn’t going to happen :( )

Interesting - pawn shops here in Czech Republic are all closed, classified as “non-essential”.

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Mescalero09  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:48:04am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:49:16am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

Interesting - pawn shops here in Czech Republic are all closed, classified as “non-essential”.

and what about people who want to get things out of hock?

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BigPapa  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:49:33am

re: #304 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Liz, this is the party and cult you and your father helped to create. I’m glad you’re not being a total moron like Trump but you own this because you and your party of enablers continued to dismiss legitimate criticism of this qualified orange shit stain on our Republic. Thank you but fuck you too.

I’ve noticed on AM radio shows that the callers will occasionally go over the top on their conspiracies or whatnot and the host usually sidelines it deftly or says ‘thanks for the call.’ This factor seems to have increased now. The witch’s brew of conspiracies are starting to boil over more often now, out of control of the conspiracy mongers.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:50:01am
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William Lewis  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:50:25am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and what about people who want to get things out of hock?

No joy - but they can’t be held liable for payments either. Sort of a stasis?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:51:14am

re: #324 Mescalero09

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:51:40am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and what about people who want to get things out of hock?

They’re scheduled to re-open on April 1st, and they’re not charging interest on the loans. As for wanting to get things out of hock? They’ll just have to wait, unfortunately

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:52:23am

re: #330 Dr Lizardo

They’re scheduled to re-open on April 1st, and they’re not charging interest on the loans. As for wanting to get things out of hock? They’ll just have to wait, unfortunately

as long as interest is suspended that is okay

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:52:26am
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William Lewis  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:52:27am

Trying to work on my budget till the end of April. My word, that’s one seriously ugly spreadsheet! Glad I’m still working but it’s bad when you have to hope for the GOP to get it’s shit together and cut checks to everyone.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:52:30am

I’ve been noticing too that the Italian death toll is running closer to 10%

This should be bigger new (edited from earlier erroneous double-post - sorry folks)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:52:38am

re: #295 Renaissance_Man

Value of life according to various government agencies:

EPA - $9.1 million
FDA - $7.9 million
OMB - $7-9 million
Added via edit
FEMA - $1.8 million (?)

Note - these numbers may not be 2020 values, but it never changes that much from year to year. Government a value to risk-analysis.

So, 1x10^6 lives * $8 x10^6 /life (I took the middle of OMB) = $8x10^12

So, 1 million people == $8 trillion

It’s actually quite simple. If all you give a fuck about it money.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:55:00am

re: #335 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Value of life according to various government agencies:

EPA - $9.1 million
FDA - $7.9 million
OMB - $7-9 million

Note - these numbers may not be 2020 values, but it never changes that much from year to year. Government a value to risk-analysis.

So, 1x10^6 lives * $8 x10^6 /life (I took the middle of OMB) = $8x10^12

So, 1 million people == $8 trillion

It’s actually quite simple. If all you give a fuck about it money.

To Trump, a person’s “value” is what their assets are worth, so his calculations run a lot lower…

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Mescalero09  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:55:07am

re: #329 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:55:39am
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:57:29am

re: #332 goddamnedfrank

“Ok, folks. The fire alarm has gone off on the third floor. It will take 15 minutes for the fire department to arrive. Call us if you think your cube is on fire so we can advise you on whether or not to leave. Those of you in the 17 floors above should be ok.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:57:36am

re: #320 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump has never done anything responsible in his entire life. As others here have said, he never ordered a lockdown of the entire nation — nor did he ask governors to issue such orders in their own states. As long as people can freely travel between states, we aren’t going to experience as effective flattening of the curve as other nations.

Unfortunately the MSM is repeating their performance of 2016. Of course, the situation is different now that he is president, but they are giving him billions of dollars of free airtime to command the stage and an audience of millions. The Democrats aren’t being giving an equal opportunity — except for Andrew Cuomo. Biden needs to be offered a similar platform.

The Corporate Controlled Conservative Press will never stop kissing Republican ass.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:57:47am

re: #324 Mescalero09

left off right bracket.

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:58:16am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:58:21am

re: #334 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Just a theory, but I think the Italian toll may be running higher because a lot of people who would have survived with treatment were not able to get it. I’d be curious how the numbers would look if their hospitals were not overwhelmed.

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Mescalero09  Mar 24, 2020 • 9:58:41am

re: #341 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

thanks

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:00:07am

re: #343 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s definitely the case. That is why the alarm bells sounded all over the world, that once the hospitals are overwhelmed then the CFR goes up.

This is exactly why everyplace is now into social distancing and lockdown.

Because once the hospitals are overflowing and the doctors start dying then the pandemic becomes a depopulation event.

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:00:24am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:00:36am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:00:46am
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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:00:49am

re: #284 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I hated the title for Rudy but I think Andrew Cuomo is truly America’s governor in all this. New Yorkers are fortunate to have him. Anyone who thought Cynthia Nixon was a great idea really needs to have their political head examined.

Can we add a good word for Gavin Newsom? I realize that CA gets ignored because all the news organizations are on the east coast, but he was putting these measures in place here too. We may already be bending that nasty curve.

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:01:15am
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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:02:26am

re: #349 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Can we add a good word for Gavin Newsom? I realize that CA gets ignored because all the news organizations are on the east coast, but he was putting these measures in place here too. We may already be bending that nasty curve.

And Pritzker.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:02:56am

re: #342 gocart mozart

Thank you Joe Biden. We need you.

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sagehen  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:02:57am
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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:03:01am

For those who have been watching Plot Against America

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:03:05am

are: #165 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Embarrassing — my mind always converts the name Dan Patrick to Deval Patrick!

But does this new demand by Trump and his minions to allow the old and infirm to perish remind anyone of Hitler’s murder of the disabled? Before the COVID 19 onslaught, I was comparing our time to 1930’s Germany with Trump as a Hitler wannabe. This policy seems right in line with Hitler’s action. Trump could take actions that would actually help in a reelection campaign — showing leadership in stopping this scourge by marshaling the economic engine of this country to manufacture equipment to treat the ill, but he’s not doing that. Instead, he will be the greatest mass murderer of those living in our nation, since the genocide against native Americans.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:04:45am

re: #286 danarchy

So all this has me thinking what is the acceptable number? You have people saying one extra death is too many, and while I understand that sentiment it is clearly not true or we would shut down every flu season and mandate vaccination. 1-2% is clearly too high, so at what number is the cutoff for “acceptable losses” and why?

Wrong question. What we should be asking is what combination of measures we should be taking to keep the economy moving enough that we don’t starve, and minimize the risks of covid-19. We can’t know how many will die, and since shutting down also causes deaths, there is no solution in which nobody dies.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:05:50am
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Mescalero09  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:06:47am
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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:07:16am
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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:10:22am

Everything is shit today, as usual

So I offer you the first green shoots of spring this week, in Millennium Park in Chicago

This too shall pass
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Renaissance_Man  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:10:24am

re: #335 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Value of life according to various government agencies:

EPA - $9.1 million
FDA - $7.9 million
OMB - $7-9 million
Added via edit
FEMA - $1.8 million (?)

Note - these numbers may not be 2020 values, but it never changes that much from year to year. Government a value to risk-analysis.

So, 1x10^6 lives * $8 x10^6 /life (I took the middle of OMB) = $8x10^12

So, 1 million people == $8 trillion

It’s actually quite simple. If all you give a fuck about it money.

FAA - about $400,000.

Every year, at least one or two people die in small plane crashes in the Midwest and Midsouth because regional towers there are not upgraded and function poorly. Fixing those would cost somewhere about 500k to a million. They are never upgraded.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:11:16am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:11:36am

Italy reports in with only 743 deaths today, down from the max of 793 . But the new case count is 5,249 , more than yesterday but still below the peak.

Case counting is tough because it depends upon testing and reporting abilities.

Maybe Italy’s lockdown has “flattened the curve” - we’ll know in a week or so.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:13:31am

re: #350 gocart mozart

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Dear Cthulhu:

Send some love to Ben Garrison…

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:13:43am

re: #357 goddamnedfrank

You can have all the vim. I’d rather have Notepad++, geany, emacs, or nano.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:13:47am

re: #343 Eclectic Cyborg

Just a theory, but I think the Italian toll may be running higher because a lot of people who would have survived with treatment were not able to get it. I’d be curious how the numbers would look if their hospitals were not overwhelmed.

No question about it. They’ve been doing triage to pick out the most likely to respond for a while now.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:13:50am

re: #363 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Italy reports in with only 743 deaths today, down from the max of 793 . But the new case count is 5,249 , more than yesterday but still below the peak.

Case counting is tough because it depends upon testing and reporting abilities.

Maybe Italy’s lockdown has “flattened the curve” - we’ll know in a week or so.

Perhaps it’s just that the most vulnerable were in the 1st wave, and died at a higher rate?

If the new cases keep going up, but the deaths go down, that will be a natural conclusion.

If, however, cases keep going up, and mortality walks hand-in-hand there, then well, the Devil is in the game and we are truly fucked.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:15:17am

From the NYT:

San Francisco State University found a 50 percent rise in the number of news articles related to the coronavirus and anti-Asian discrimination between Feb. 9 and March 7. The lead researcher, Russell Jeung, a professor of Asian-American studies, said the figures represented “just the tip of the iceberg” because only the most egregious cases would be likely to be reported by the media.

Professor Jeung has helped set up a website in six Asian languages to gather firsthand accounts; some 150 cases have been reported on the site since it was started last Thursday.

Benny Luo, founder and chief executive of NextShark, a website focused on Asian-American news, said the site used to get a few tips a day. Now it is dozens.

“We’ve never received this many news tips about racism against Asians,” he said. “It’s crazy. My staff is pulling double duty just to keep up.” He said he was hiring two more people to help.

No one is immune to being targeted. Dr. Edward Chew, the head of the emergency department at a large Manhattan hospital, is on the front lines of fighting the coronavirus. He said that over the past few weeks, he had noticed people trying to cover their nose and mouth with their shirts when they are near him.

Dr. Chew has been using his free time to buy protective gear, like goggles and face shields, for his staff in case his hospital runs out. On Wednesday night at a Home Depot, with his cart filled with face shields, masks and Tyvek suits, he said he was harassed by three men in their 20s, who then followed him into the parking lot.</em>

“I heard of other Asians being assaulted over this, but when you are actually ridiculed yourself, you really feel it,” he said the following day.

A writer for The New Yorker, Jiayang Fan, said she was taking out her trash last week when a man walking by began cursing at her for being Chinese.

“I’ve never felt like this in my 27 yrs in this country,” she wrote on Twitter on Tuesday. “I’ve never felt afraid to leave my home to take out the trash bc of my face.”

Attacks have also gotten physical.

In the San Fernando Valley in California, a 16-year old Asian-American boy was attacked in school by bullies who accused him of having the coronavirus. He was sent to the emergency room to see whether he had a concussion.

In New York City a woman wearing a mask was kicked and punched in a Manhattan subway station, and a man in Queens was followed to a bus stop, shouted at and then hit over the head in front of his 10-year-old son.

I hate this fucking President so much.

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NetworkKed  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:15:42am

re: #365 Belafon

There is no way to explain the true horror of vi - you can only live it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:15:50am

re: #367 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

The Italy specific issue is that the northern region was hit hard and put on lockdown, but not the rest of the nation. The nation-wide lockdown came much later. So I wonder if there will be a double peak to Italy’s curve as the whole country catches up to the north.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:16:19am

re: #327 goddamnedfrank

Thanos protocol.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:19:02am

re: #286 danarchy

So all this has me thinking what is the acceptable number? You have people saying one extra death is too many, and while I understand that sentiment it is clearly not true or we would shut down every flu season and mandate vaccination. 1-2% is clearly too high, so at what number is the cutoff for “acceptable losses” and why?

Fuck even having that conversation. Fuck. That.

I’m not getting into ‘acceptable losses’ to save the goddamn stock market. Just stop.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:19:56am

re: #359 gocart mozart

The pandemic spread in part due to a lot of highly mobile upper class and rich folks traveling to/from China, then attending conferences or religious gatherings elsewhere, and spreading it wide and fast.

The poor will be least able to endure the consequences of a lengthy shutdown, but will get the least support from Trump and the GOP, because fuck the poor.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:21:02am

re: #372 makeitstop

Fuck even having that conversation. Fuck. That.

I’m not getting into ‘acceptable losses’ to save the goddamn stock market. Just stop.

Particularly when we have blown a $1.3TRILLION hold in the national debt the last 4 years for the sole purpose of artificially inflating stocks to line the pockets of the .1%

Fuck. Them.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:22:59am

re: #370 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Italy specific issue is that the northern region was hit hard and put on lockdown, but not the rest of the nation. The nation-wide lockdown came much later. So I wonder if there will be a double peak to Italy’s curve as the whole country catches up to the north.

Italy’s south, which is far poorer and less developed, may take a delayed hit.

If that turns out to be the case, the parallels between that, and the former Confederate states and the Farm Belt will be ominous indeed.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:24:16am

Through all of this that one voter in 2016 and what he said still goes through my mind. “Mark my words he (DT) will be the best president we ever had.” I still remember that remark. I do hope that the person who said it is looking around at what it going on and realizes his mistake. I know that is not likely to happen but the optimist in me hopes it will happen.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:24:23am

This is about to become glaringly apparent to all the MAGAts who are Trump’s base:

Each time a rural hospital closes, there are tragic consequences for the local community and surrounding counties. While the medical consequences are the most obvious, there is also loss of sales tax revenue, reduction in supporting businesses such as pharmacies and clinics. There are also fewer professionals, including doctors, nurses and pharmacists, and fewer students in local schools.

The closing of a rural hospital often signals the beginning of progressive decline and deterioration of small rural towns and counties. Hospitals often serve as financial and professional anchors as well as source of pride for its small rural community. It also often means loss of other employers or inability to recruit new employers due to lack of nearby health care. When a rural hospital closes its doors, unemployment often rises, and average income drops.

There are no nurses, doctors, pharmacists or ERs for local farmers, ranchers, growers and assorted men, women and children who love living and working in America’s vast rural regions. Rural communities and rural citizens are often left with no options for routine primary care, maternity care or emergency care. Even basic medical supplies are often hard to find.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:25:49am

re: #370 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Italy specific issue is that the northern region was hit hard and put on lockdown, but not the rest of the nation. The nation-wide lockdown came much later. So I wonder if there will be a double peak to Italy’s curve as the whole country catches up to the north.

Here Is a link to all sorts of information about Italy’s covid-19 epidemic. It’s in Italian, but the graphs and charts should be clear enough.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:27:08am

re: #349 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Can we add a good word for Gavin Newsom? I realize that CA gets ignored because all the news organizations are on the east coast, but he was putting these measures in place here too. We may already be bending that nasty curve.

Of course. He deserves praise too re: #357 goddamnedfrank

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Vigor? This fuck doesn’t even believe in exercise

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:27:36am

re: #349 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Can we add a good word for Gavin Newsom? I realize that CA gets ignored because all the news organizations are on the east coast, but he was putting these measures in place here too. We may already be bending that nasty curve.

You bet. Inslee in Washington too.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:27:48am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:28:33am

Sorry my responses got jammed. Made a trip for rum. I’m liquor stocked.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:28:56am

Fucking lunatics

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:30:06am

re: #362 goddamnedfrank

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Someone owes his sister big time for that save. :-)

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Rightwingconspirator  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:31:25am

re: #372 makeitstop

Fuck even having that conversation. Fuck. That.

I’m not getting into ‘acceptable losses’ to save the goddamn stock market. Just stop.

THIS.
It’s a fucking war. Enforced lockdowns need to be on the table. The draft (aimed at making new assistant nurses etc) needs to be on the table. Food stamps for all the unemployed. The defense production act should have been used weeks ago. It’s not just about saving older folks. it’s about not having a subset of the young with COPD. It’s about learning to fight pandemics because my friends this will be one in a continuing series. SARS, MERS, COVID-19. Something else is coming. Later if we change our ways, sooner if not.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:33:15am

re: #385 Rightwingconspirator

Nail hit on the head. :)

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:33:45am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:34:09am

re: #383 goddamnedfrank

Fucking lunatics

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These cultists sigh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:34:30am

re: #387 goddamnedfrank

Well there’s some laser guided karma for you.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:34:49am

re: #387 goddamnedfrank

lolz

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:35:50am

re: #389 Eclectic Cyborg

Well there’s some laser guided karma for you.

That’s not even remotely subtle enough to be karma, just a straight line from fuckery to consequence.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:36:10am

Oh Jesus Christ, Trump is really going to order everyone back to work on Apr. 12

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:36:46am

re: #391 goddamnedfrank

That’s not even remotely subtle enough to be karma, just a straight line from fuckery to consequence.

playing Russian Roulette with five loaded chambers and one empty

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:36:58am
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:37:37am

re: #392 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

Oh Jesus Christ, Trump is really going to order everyone back to work on Apr. 12

Trump is going to try to order everyone back. And then he’ll have to spin up another reason why states aren’t doing what he wants.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:37:42am

re: #394 Charles Johnson

WASHINGTON (AP) — Trump eyes loosening virus restrictions, says he hopes to have country ‘opened up and just raring to go by Easter.’

at this point, I don’t see it happening any other way…

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:37:44am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:37:55am

Fucking hell.

Okay, how much authority does Trump actually have to open things back up?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:38:02am

re: #357 goddamnedfrank

“A lot of people agree with me.”

Such leadership

//

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:38:30am

re: #394 Charles Johnson

Think of all those people who are raring to go to Heaven (and not making it).

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:39:12am

There are 221.7 million licensed drivers in the United States. There were 40,000 traffic deaths last year. That’s a .0002% lethality rate. Trump, shut the fuck up.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:39:24am

re: #398 Eclectic Cyborg

Zero. It’s a signal to his base (red states) to get moving and kill your parents.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:39:25am

re: #398 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell.

Okay, how much authority does Trump actually have to open things back up?

If he actively urges it, then Red State governors will all go along…

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:39:29am

re: #398 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell.

Okay, how much authority does Trump actually have to open things back up?

Not much in this case. He might theoretically decide that Game Stop is an essential company, but the states can still shut things down.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:39:40am

re: #385 Rightwingconspirator

THIS.
It’s a fucking war. Enforced lockdowns need to be on the table. The draft (aimed at making new assistant nurses etc) needs to be on the table. Food stamps for all the unemployed. The defense production act should have been used weeks ago. It’s not just about saving older folks. it’s about not having a subset of the young with COPD. It’s about learning to fight pandemics because my friends this will be one in a continuing series. SARS, MERS, COVID-19. Something else is coming. Later if we change our ways, sooner if not.

And something much bigger. This is a major lesson that we will not learn as long as this monster is President. Certainly some GOP governors have stepped up and handled this appropriately but the entire GOP in Washington — both Senators and Representatives — have shown themselves to be a total waste of oxygen.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:39:40am

re: #383 goddamnedfrank

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:39:59am

re: #402 Ace Rothstein

Zero.

That’s what I thought. Here’s to hoping the states stand their ground and tell Trump to fuck off.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:40:10am

re: #398 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell.

Okay, how much authority does Trump actually have to open things back up?

As much as state and local authorities give him.

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:41:08am

re: #402 Ace Rothstein

Zero.

Hope you are right!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:41:10am

meanwhile in Kentucky:

*THUD*

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:41:20am
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BigPapa  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:41:47am

re: #398 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell.

Okay, how much authority does Trump actually have to open things back up?

I HEREBY DECLARE BY MY TREMENDOSITY

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:42:06am

re: #398 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell.

Okay, how much authority does Trump actually have to open things back up?

None. The States shut things down and only they can open them back up.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:42:08am
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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:42:12am

This day just keeps getting shittier

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:42:42am

re: #387 goddamnedfrank

Someone needs to tell me why twitter is allowing #CoronaVirusChallenge as a hashie. WTF?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:43:43am

re: #392 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

Oh Jesus Christ, Trump is really going to order everyone back to work on Apr. 12

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“Our President has commanded us to die! We love you, Donald Trump!” said the cultists as they stirred the cyanide and phenobarbital in the 55-gallon drum of Flavor-Aid.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:43:52am

re: #415 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

This day just keeps getting shittier

Thing is, there will be a lull until the virus starts to pick up again…and then we will all be fucked.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:44:25am

Why does Fox News keep spreading and amplifying these deadly lies?

Do they not remember what happened to Benito Mussolini & his wife?

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:44:48am

Short of just shredding Posse Comitatus, there’s no real way for Trump to do more than implore governors/mayors to “reopen” America. And even if the red states go along with this, what are they going to do when businesses refuse to reopen? Nationalize them? Send in the National Guard to bust in the doors and force workers back to work at gunpoint?

About the only thing you’re going to see when he “reopens” America is a patchwork quilt of governments and businesses going along, while the rest choose to either follow the CDC or just outright flip him the bird on the national stage.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:44:57am

re: #403 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If he actively urges it, then Red State governors will all go along…

Looks like this year’s Darwin Awards are gonna be lit.

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stpaulbear  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:45:38am

re: #352 PhillyPretzel

Thank you Joe Biden. We need you.

Glenn Kessler in the WaPo to give Biden’s campaign four Pinoccios for saying that Trump had silenced someone at the CDC. Trump can lie his ass off hundreds of times every day.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:45:44am

re: #416 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Someone needs to tell me why twitter is allowing #CoronaVirusChallenge as a hashie. WTF?

For the same reason morons thought the Tide Pod Challenge was something worth trying: Proving Darwin was wrong.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:45:51am

re: #416 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Someone needs to tell me why twitter is allowing #CoronaVirusChallenge as a hashie. WTF?

If #CoronaVirusChallenge is wrong, then the free market will ensure that no one else uses it.

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BigPapa  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:46:19am

re: #419 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

Why does Fox News keep spreading and amplifying these deadly lies?

Do they not remember what happened to Benito Mussolini & his wife?

I think they dragged his body around on a Final Tour. Shit got weird.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:46:36am

...

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:46:38am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:47:04am

re: #420 Targetpractice

Short of just shredding Posse Comitatus, there’s no real way for Trump to do more than implore governors/mayors to “reopen” America. And even if the red states go along with this, what are they going to do when businesses refuse to reopen? …

About the only thing you’re going to see when he “reopens” America is a patchwork quilt of governments and businesses going along, while the rest choose to either follow the CDC or just outright flip him the bird on the national stage.

A lot of states will reopen schools and government offices. And a lot of people are going to be desperate just to earn enough to keep food on the table and will just have to go along whether they want to or not.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:47:54am

re: #424 Belafon

If #CoronaVirusChallenge is wrong, then the free market will ensure that no one else uses it.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:48:18am

What am I bet that Trump ditches the COVID briefings and goes with 2 hours on Fox every day?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:49:02am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:49:26am

re: #389 Eclectic Cyborg

Well there’s some laser guided karma for you.

Karma. It’s what’s for dinner.
(Always)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:51:54am

JFC, he’s a moron

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:52:05am

Germany, which had an extremely low CFR at the beginning, is now seeing its CFR creep up. Around .5% now. Less than the slightly greater than 1% of many places, but still it is moving up. Once the German health system reaches maximum cases they can handle, I expect even their CFR to go up.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:52:18am

re: #398 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell.

Okay, how much authority does Trump actually have to open things back up?

Zero

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:52:26am

re: #428 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A lot of states will reopen schools and government offices. And a lot of people are going to be desperate just to earn enough to keep food on the table and will just have to go along whether they want to or not.

That’s really their hope at this point, that businesses will put profit before employees and reopen, forcing their workers to choose between poverty/eviction or working. They’ll try the Gamestop excuse of “Oh, we’ve provided masks/hand sanitizer,” but the fine print will be “Provided at employee expense.” The thinking being that if you get people back to work, back to dealing with the stress of making a living, then they have no time to worry about the virus and so the “panic” will die down.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:52:39am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:52:56am

re: #399 Sir John Barron

“A lot of people agree with me.”

Such leadership

//

More dont

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:53:28am

No COVID problem in Russia, no sir.

///////

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:53:30am

re: #402 Ace Rothstein

Zero.

Ah gmta

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:53:44am

re: #373 lawhawk

The pandemic spread in part due to a lot of highly mobile upper class and rich folks traveling to/from China, then attending conferences or religious gatherings elsewhere, and spreading it wide and fast.

The poor will be least able to endure the consequences of a lengthy shutdown, but will get the least support from Trump and the GOP, because fuck the poor.

Eat the rich.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:53:47am

re: #433 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, he’s a moron

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I do not get the point of his tip line.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:54:01am

re: #433 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, he’s a moron

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I welcome Massie to prove the strength of his convictions, go visit an ICU packed with COVID-19 cases, and then drag that shit home to his family. If it’s not that dangerous, then he has nothing to fear…right?

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:54:25am

re: #441 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Eat the rich.

Once they recover, of course.

/

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:55:35am

re: #437 The Pie Overlord!

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THEY ARE DEALING WITH SHORTAGES THAT MEAN PEOPLE DIE, YOU TANGERINE TODDLER! GET OVER YOUR FUCKING HURT FEELINGS AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

…too strong?

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:55:42am

re: #413 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

None. The States shut things down and only they can open them back up.

In Florida it’s the counties because..desantis

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:56:09am

re: #441 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Aerosmith - Eat The Rich

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:56:09am

re: #437 The Pie Overlord!

I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE AT ALL

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:56:27am

re: #441 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Eat the rich.

A modest proposal?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:56:50am
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:57:18am

re: #433 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, he’s a moron

I wonder what the government did with people like him during WW2, well, except for send them to war.

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sagehen  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:57:27am

re: #398 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell.

Okay, how much authority does Trump actually have to open things back up?

If he’d ever taken any federal action, he could reverse it.

However, he has not taken any federal action. Everything that’s happened has been because governors and mayors did it. Trump has no authority to reverse their orders.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:57:43am

re: #439 makeitstop

If Moscow is saying “the coronavirus outbreak is worse than it looks” then it means that Moscow probably looks a hell of a lot like the opening credits of the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead.

Dawn Of The Dead (2004) - Intro

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:58:10am

re: #383 goddamnedfrank

Fucking lunaticS

The tweet doesn’t encompass an alert I just received.

A White House official says the president does not view Easter, as a date that he begins opening things up, but a date by which the economy is speeding again. That means the loosening of restrictions would, under this scenario, could start much sooner. The official says the focus now remains on how to get there, in phases, to address the challenges demographically and geographically.

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:58:55am

re: #398 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell.

Okay, how much authority does Trump actually have to open things back up?

Little, since he has not actually done anything to close things down.

When states refuse to do so, he will probably refuse to provide money to the states. That’s the typical MO. As of this morning, the US media is rapidly getting behind the project to sell this to the American people, and start a second wave of denialism. The first was pretending that it was a hoax. The second will be the effort to pretend that yes, lots of people will die, but that’s fine, because it’s patriotic to let them die so rich people stay rich.

This is the same playbook we have seen before. It’s what has been done with guns, climate change, and literally every major public crisis. Pretend it doesn’t exist, silence the whistleblowers, then, as reality intrudes, convince everyone that the consequences are acceptable and to think otherwise makes you the enemy. The problem, of course, is that this playbook has worked basically every fucking time since the advent of the internet, because of how easy it is to control the thoughts of Americans as a whole.

What may be different this time is that reality may end up being much more intrusive. Guns don’t kill enough people. Climate change affects people in other places very slowly. But Covid can kill thousands of people in days and shut down hospitals. It becomes hard to pretend that all is well.

To be honest, if Trump ordered the whole country back to work tomorrow, it would have a better chance of working. CNN would bothsides it, the NYT would publish some garbage piece about how white people in the Midwest are raring to get back to work, and public pressure on places like New York and California would be immense. States like Florida and Texas would cheer as they opened back up and it would be hard on Andrew Cuomo and Gavin Newsom to insist that they stay locked down.

But wait till April 12? If we stay on Italy’s curve, that timeline puts us right in the middle of the carnage.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:59:04am

re: #454 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The tweet doesn’t encompass an alert I just received.

TURN THE MACHINES BACK ON NOW CONGRESS MUST ACT FAST

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:59:31am

I just got a message from my employer. Actually a “ping.” They said to go to the company’s website and check staff alerts. the most recent entry said to obey state and local authorities. Both the city and the state want people to stay home and only go out for food and essentials. Contrary to what DT has been spouting today.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:59:34am

re: #420 Targetpractice

Short of just shredding Posse Comitatus, there’s no real way for Trump to do more than implore governors/mayors to “reopen” America. And even if the red states go along with this, what are they going to do when businesses refuse to reopen? Nationalize them? Send in the National Guard to bust in the doors and force workers back to work at gunpoint?

About the only thing you’re going to see when he “reopens” America is a patchwork quilt of governments and businesses going along, while the rest choose to either follow the CDC or just outright flip him the bird on the national stage.

You can open all you want
Without supplies , raw materials, inventory, parts, deliveries…

Can’t fly if they don’t deliver the avgas
No one’s going to Disney

No one’s selling food without sysco

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 24, 2020 • 10:59:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 11:00:36am

re: #431 Charles Johnson

It isn’t even slightly mysterious why Trump is talking about “opening up” in two weeks, despite EVERY scientific and medical professional warning that it will be disastrous.

It’s about his reelection. Period. He could not care less about the health of American citizens.

and his finances: if he has to declare bankruptcy while in office, that will really look bad on him…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2020 • 11:01:42am

re: #437 The Pie Overlord!

Trump: It has to be a two-way street and governors need to treat us well also. “They can’t say, Oh gee we should get this, we should get that.’” He’s unhappy with Cuomo demanding more ventilators from the federal government.]

quid pro quo: drop your investigation and you get more ventilators

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2020 • 11:02:18am

re: #452 sagehen

Exactly. My employer “pinged” me and they said to follow local and state authorities. And that is what I will do.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 11:02:40am

re: #428 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A lot of states will reopen schools and government offices. And a lot of people are going to be desperate just to earn enough to keep food on the table and will just have to go along whether they want to or not.

Will people send their kids back to school? I wonder

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 24, 2020 • 11:04:32am

re: #452 sagehen

If he’d ever taken any federal action, he could reverse it.

However, he has not taken any federal action. Everything that’s happened has been because governors and mayors did it. Trump has no authority to reverse their orders.

This.

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sagehen  Mar 24, 2020 • 11:04:46am

re: #437 The Pie Overlord!

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sagehen  Mar 24, 2020 • 11:10:16am

re: #359 gocart mozart

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50 people at the party, now 30 of them are sick.

That’s astonishingly contagious.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 24, 2020 • 11:12:41am

re: #286 danarchy

So all this has me thinking what is the acceptable number? You have people saying one extra death is too many, and while I understand that sentiment it is clearly not true or we would shut down every flu season and mandate vaccination. 1-2% is clearly too high, so at what number is the cutoff for “acceptable losses” and why?

As low as possible. Doing everything we can to make it so.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 24, 2020 • 11:13:44am

re: #466 sagehen

50 people at the party, now 30 of them are sick.

That’s astonishingly contagious.

Who was the caterer?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2020 • 11:27:56am

re: #442 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I do not get the point of his tip line.

he’s a Rand Paul Libertarian minion


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