Seth Meyers Attic Sessions: Trump Contradicts Experts on Coronavirus Treatment After Months of Denial

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Seth takes a closer look at public officials urging Americans to continue observing social distancing rules while President Trump and Jared Kushner contradict those experts and spread misinformation.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:33:01am

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:33:30am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:34:02am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:34:34am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:35:08am
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lawhawk  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:37:33am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

So, he’s admitting that his old busted press team was awful and this new one will do somehow better, despite being just as awful and incompetent and unqualified as the last one.

Gotcha.

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lawhawk  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:37:40am
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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:37:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:38:59am

re: #5 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

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since Friday night, Trump has:

- fired the IC IG who reported the Ukraine whistleblower complaint

- maligned the HHS IG for reviewing hospitals’ COVID needs

- removed the IG overseeing the $2T coronavirus package.

which means he is free to dip into it to save his money-losing businesses

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:39:23am

re: #7 lawhawk

More people have died now than from the 2009 H1N1 virus.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:39:24am

It’s a beautiful day in NYC. Took the ex GFs dogs for a walk. I feel so much better. My sleep schedule is off…….

Mentally, I don’t know how much more of trump I can take. I need a sign that he is going to get his ass kicked in NOV. One reporter to stand up to him. ONE.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:40:19am
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Citizen K  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:41:25am

CL’d from the last thread:

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rather than institute more social welfare measures, increasing our safety standards, and making us rethink how we treat the worst of us, it looks like all this crisis will manage to do is entrench the eternal conservatopia even further because fuck everything.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:43:05am

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:44:34am

re: #14 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

My, times have changed. Now he says he is not responsible. ::: eye roll :::

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:44:59am
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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:45:53am

re: #13 Citizen K

CL’d from the last thread:

Rather than institute more social welfare measures, increasing our safety standards, and making us rethink how we treat the worst of us, it looks like all this crisis will manage to do is entrench the eternal conservatopia even further because fuck everything.

Only if they win this fall.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:47:29am

re: #17 Belafon

And that is why we have to GOTV.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:47:40am

…but the MAGATS will STILL kiss his ass!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:48:01am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:49:08am

re: #12 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Sharts.re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Uh no. The GOP made a mockery of the legitimate impeachment hearings. They fuck off and go the way of the Whigs for their role in enabling Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:50:23am

re: #13 Citizen K

Rather than institute more social welfare measures, increasing our safety standards, and making us rethink how we treat the worst of us, it looks like all this crisis will manage to do is entrench the eternal conservatopia even further because fuck everything.

I really wish I did not agree with you…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:51:25am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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That Press Whore gladly lied us into a war that killed my son.

And when that war didn’t go the way he expected he kept writing the same column over and over again at the Screw York Times saying “Give It Six More Months” of which Atrios coined the term “Friedman Unit” or “F.U.” for short.

Fuck Tom Six More Months Friedman and may that sleazy press whore burn in the lowest level of hell for all eternity

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:52:32am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

A response.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:52:59am

re: #11 I Would Prefer Not To

It’s a beautiful day in NYC. Took the ex GFs dogs for a walk. I feel so much better. My sleep schedule is off…….

Mentally, I don’t know how much more of trump I can take. I need a sign that he is going to get his ass kicked in NOV. One reporter to stand up to him. ONE.

One effing reporter
One effing r senator

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EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:53:21am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

A political system that mirrors the best in us must include no Republicans. They are stupid and evil, and covid19 is proving we just can’t afford to pretend Republicans aren’t stupid and evil any more.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:55:14am

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Chrysicat  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:55:20am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:56:01am

Thread is vaguely interesting. I haven’t read the linked article at the top.

But seriously, how the fuck are you expecting someone to provide a useful answer about what the transition would look like when I would argue that predictions about what next month is going to look like are incredibly difficult to make? I’m pretty sure there’s probably several different plans under consideration but they’ll depend on what the reality is at that point.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:57:19am

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:57:56am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Rs first
With the supreme court
Then I’d *consider* talking about it
Oh wait, they won’t?
Then fuck no to this idiocy

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:58:27am

re: #26 EPR-radar

A political system that mirrors the best in us must include no Republicans. They are stupid and evil, and covid19 is proving we just can’t afford to pretend Republicans aren’t stupid and evil any more.

Although there were a few Republican governors who took this seriously from the beginning and enacted stay-at-home measures, the GOP in general has demonstrated their total dishonesty on every issue.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 10:59:33am

re: #24 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

A response.

I’m not blowing them off, but the only ones I’ll listen to are the ones like Walsh who say it’s up to the Democrats to pick the nominee and then they’ll vote for them.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:01:22am

re: #26 EPR-radar

A political system that mirrors the best in us must include no Republicans. They are stupid and evil, and covid19 is proving we just can’t afford to pretend Republicans aren’t stupid and evil any more.

2021, Democrats take the Senate, keep the House, and Biden wins: “We’re going to investigate all of the criminal activity in the previous administration and those tied to it.”
GOP: “The Democrats are targeting all of the Republicans!”
Democrats: “But we’re only going after the criminals!”
GOP: “See, you’re going after all of us!”

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:02:27am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Thomas Friedman’s terrible take of the day.

Fuck, no.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:03:39am

But I do, regrettably, know far too much about the career of Donald Trump. And his weeks long hydroxychloroquine song and dance is simply a redux of the pitch job that has served him so well for four decades: Sell the newest Trump-branded miracle scheme as hard as possible until it becomes completely untenable, the feds show up, or the next one bubbles up from the recesses of his frontal lobe

The bulwark

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:03:58am

re: #33 Belafon

I’m not blowing them off, but the only ones I’ll listen to are the ones like Walsh who say it’s up to the Democrats to pick the nominee and then they’ll vote for them.

And the understanding that they will not influence our platform. But I agree, some are different than others.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:04:19am

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thread is vaguely interesting. I haven’t read the linked article at the top.

But seriously, how the fuck are you expecting someone to provide a useful answer about what the transition would look like when I would argue that predictions about what next month is going to look like are incredibly difficult to make? I’m pretty sure there’s probably several different plans under consideration but they’ll depend on what the reality is at that point.

I can’t plan for next week. We have no clue what it will look like in January next year. The Republican governors could repond to Trump stating that the virus has been conquered next month by overriding all of the local authorities, initiating a new wave of infections. They could decide that Trump doesn’t know what he’s talking about and keep things in place. We don’t know.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:04:26am
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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:07:51am

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thread is vaguely interesting. I haven’t read the linked article at the top.

But seriously, how the fuck are you expecting someone to provide a useful answer about what the transition would look like when I would argue that predictions about what next month is going to look like are incredibly difficult to make? I’m pretty sure there’s probably several different plans under consideration but they’ll depend on what the reality is at that point.

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Is anyone going to ask DT what he’ll do in January if (heaven forbid) he wins?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:08:11am

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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This is terrible.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:08:57am

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is one f’ed up mess and all because one guy wants to play at being a president.

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Chrysicat  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:09:49am

re: #30 Joe Bacon 🌹

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I dunno about that one.

This was always going to be a pandemic, even if we’d isolated everyone arriving from international destinations INCLUDING AMERICAN CITIZENS for three weeks under armed guard.

We’d just possibly have all been wearing masks sooner and if distancing worked, we might have been able to fill half to 2/3 of public spaces (though likely without public toilets, since the virus secondarily transmits down below) and transportation safely instead of having to be locked down for an extended period. But the vaccine wouldn’t be coming any sooner because Emperor Xi did attempt a cover-up and thus we couldn’t have known much sooner there was anything we needed to try to develop a vaccine for; we just need to find a way to get the Right to stop blaming every person of Asian ancestry for it and thus adding them to the list of “minorities to exterminate”.

And in the meantime we’d still need distancing for the duration and full home confinement during flare-ups.

Plus, there would be no way to prevent her becoming a one-term president [we’d have possibly avoided 1929, but 2008 is still a given worldwide] and I was already terrified in 2015 that the next Republican president the country elected would be the last president all 50 states would be permitted to elect.

Nothing has changed that feeling, and of course, Bernie decided to run, when we already had a warning from some of his supporters who’d held their nose for Clinton, that this time they wouldn’t be willing to do so if they thought he was cheated again—and that the only possible way for anyone other than St. Bernard to be nominated was if he was cheated again.

The problem is, they have plenty of foes who’ll never vote for Bernie, and I’m terrified that both camps number sufficiently to prevent the other’s candidate from winning the General.

I am so terrified right now it’s not funny. And I will always be incensed that Bernie announced, and even more so that a fucking heart attack wasn’t enough to get him to withdraw when his supporters still might have actually heeded his call to vote for a real Dem when we nominated them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:10:14am

re: #40 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Is anyone going to ask DT what he’ll do in January if (heaven forbid) he wins?

Send everybody back to work.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:11:25am

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:12:21am

re: #40 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Is anyone going to ask DT what he’ll do in January if (heaven forbid) he wins?

Oh, of course not.

Watching folks on the left on Twitter today is just making me grouchy. Sure, there’s the awfulness in WI but Biden said something that wasn’t perfectly clear, why aren’t we jumping all over him for that?!?!?! And also gotta make sure the sexual assault allegations continue to be spread, because the level of nuance required to push back against those on the left is more than easily fits into a Twitter discussion. (Also requires far more spoons for Internet arguments than I have.)

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:12:43am

re: #43 Chrysicat

What would H1N1 have done if Trump had been in charge?

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:12:50am

re: #42 PhillyPretzel

This is one f’ed up mess and all because one guy wants to play at being a president.

Who’s surrounded by a party that’s letting him
And a media that’s out to lunch

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:14:13am

re: #36 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

But I do, regrettably, know far too much about the career of Donald Trump. And his weeks long hydroxychloroquine song and dance is simply a redux of the pitch job that has served him so well for four decades: Sell the newest Trump-branded miracle scheme as hard as possible until it becomes completely untenable, the feds show up, or the next one bubbles up from the recesses of his frontal lobe

The bulwark

Trump, April 4: We’re just hearing really positive stories, and we’re continuing to collect the data. But I’ll just speak for myself: It’s been out for a long time. It’s a malaria drug. It’s also a drug for lupus. And there’s a — there’s a study out that people with lupus aren’t catching this horrible virus. They’re not — they’re not affected so much by it. Now, maybe that’s correct; maybe it’s false. You’re going to have to check it out.

The international alliance was formed to “help guide rheumatology clinicians in assessing and treating patients with rheumatologic disease.” The alliance — which is supported by the Lupus Foundation of America, Lupus Research Alliance and the American College of Rheumatology — has called on clinicians to report “all cases of COVID-19 in rheumatology patients, including those with mild or no symptoms.”

As of April 2, the group had information on 110 validated patients: 36% with rheumatoid arthritis, 17% with psoriatic arthritis and 17% with systemic lupus erythematosus, or lupus, an autoimmune disease.

“One frequently asked question: over 25% of patients who developed a COVID-19 were on HCQ at the time of diagnosis,” the group said in a tweet thread on April 2, referring to hydroxychloroquine.

“Based on early data currently available in our registry, we are not able to report any evidence of a protective effect from hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19,”

factcheck.org

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:14:35am

re: #48 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Who’s surrounded by a party that’s letting him
And a media that’s out to lunch

A significant part of that media is his propaganda outlet.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:14:51am

re: #47 Belafon

What would H1N1 have done if Trump had been in charge?

First he’d rename it the Mexico virus

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:14:58am

re: #48 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Who’s surrounded by a party that’s letting him
And a media that’s out to lunch

And who gave him the rubber stamp literally DAYS before this crisis started.

It’s going to be a long ass Summer, folks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:15:28am

re: #51 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

First he’d rename it the Mexico virus

“We know it came from several Mexican countries.”

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:16:00am

re: #50 Belafon

A significant part of that media is his propaganda outlet.

The rest is in it for the ratings, and as long as Trump gives them a 24/7 political reality crime sex and scandal extravaganza, they have no interest in seeing him removed, cost what it may in lives…

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:16:11am

re: #50 Belafon

A significant part of that media is his propaganda outlet.

Bbbbbbbut they don’t count as “the media”, right?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:16:20am

re: #48 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Who’s surrounded by a party that’s letting him
And a media that’s out to lunch

The Press Whores aren’t out to lunch.

They want Trump re-elected because that’s brings in more $$$$$.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:16:29am

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

“We know it came from several Mexican countries.”

/

New and Old

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:17:08am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The rest is in it for the ratings, and as long as Trump gives them a 24/7 political reality crime sex and scandal extravaganza, they have no interest in seeing him removed, cost what it may in lives…

They’ve forgotten where they filed their job description

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:18:02am

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

EMT and Paramedics in New York City are now under orders that if someone over 18 has gone into cardiac arrest they should try to revive them on the scene for up to 20 minutes. If they don’t succeed they cannot take them to an emergency room.

Not a good thing, but a cardiac arrest case outside a hospital, especially if the patient couldn’t be resuscitated in 20 minutes, has almost no chance of surviving. And even if they’re breathing again, and not in a persistent vegetative state, they’re not likely to have any meaningful quality of life.

Why yes, I do have a DNR on file.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:18:12am

No R will cosign but it’s a good thought.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:18:40am

re: #33 Belafon

I’m not blowing them off, but the only ones I’ll listen to are the ones like Walsh who say it’s up to the Democrats to pick the nominee and then they’ll vote for them.

Sure. But do you want Walsh in the Biden admin?

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:20:16am

re: #61 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Sure. But do you want Walsh in the Biden admin?

Nope. The only thing I want out of them is to vote D in November, even if they have to stand six feet from the person in front of them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:21:20am

re: #58 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

They’ve forgotten where they filed their job description

their “job” is to sell advertising time. That sells at a higher price if ratings are high.

The result is logical and obvious to any who do not still believe that news is the “product” and viewers are the “customers”.

We are the product.

and soylent green is people.

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William Lewis  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:23:06am

I was watching the Billy Jo/Susanna version of Manic Monday in the pages and was remembering she’s 61 and he’s 48. Both are pretty damn hot too.

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NetworkKed  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:23:51am

So my bosses say I’m essential. I can work from home, except for days like today when I’m assigned tasks that can only be done in the office. Theoretically this was in support of a medical practice… that has zero to do with CV19.

We’re sending workers onsite to a furniture company this week. Some fucking shelter-in-place order, huh. I don’t think the curve is going to bend like people are expecting it to.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:24:54am

So, the head of medicine at UCSF said this morning that they now have enough tests to check everyone who presents with symptoms that might be covid-19, and only 5% turn out to have it. Which tells him that there’s very little of it circulating around here.

(So keep up the social distancing!)

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:26:01am

re: #62 Belafon

Nope. The only thing I want out of them is to vote D in November, even if they have to stand six feet from the person in front of them.

Walsh basically said he would vote blue no matter who — which is more than you can say about many Bernie supporters who have an online presence.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:27:02am

re: #65 NetworkKed

According to my bosses they say the same thing too. But the Mayor and the Governor say I am not essential. Plus I got a phone call a couple of hours ago telling us to keep going to a page that has not been updated since March 27th.

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Chrysicat  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:27:17am

re: #62 Belafon

Nope. The only thing I want out of them is to vote D in November, even if they have to stand six feet from the person in front of them.

Oh, dear heaven. Your mentioning that in the fashion you did, and the Rs being so obsessed with making sure that’s the only way it can be done, suddenly has me paranoid they have a model lawsuit ready to go either here or in one of the Pacific Coast states to end vote-by-mail once and for all, even though almost no one takes the chance on actually giving the filled-out ballot to the USPS!

Tell me I’m just paranoid, please?

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:29:35am
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Mike Lamb  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:29:46am

How bad are the mega-church Easter services going to fuck up the current 81k projection from the Institute of Health Metrics?

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:30:59am

re: #69 Chrysicat

Oh, dear heaven. Your mentioning that in the fashion you did, and the Rs being so obsessed with making sure that’s the only way it can be done, suddenly has me paranoid they have a model lawsuit ready to go either here or in one of the Pacific Coast states to end vote-by-mail once and for all, even though almost no one takes the chance on actually giving the filled-out ballot to the USPS!

Tell me I’m just paranoid, please?

I’ll say you’re being paranoid. The reason I stated it the way it did is I’ve replaced “I’ll crawl over broken glass to vote in November” with “I’ll walk through virus infected buildings to vote in November.”

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:33:05am

re: #71 Mike Lamb

How bad are the mega-church Easter services going to fuck up the current 81k projection from the Institute of Health Metrics?

I think a lot of the models are already taking that into account. Not every megachurch is going to meet. Churches in Rockwall aren’t meeting physically, just online.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:33:44am

re: #71 Mike Lamb

How bad are the mega-church Easter services going to fuck up the current 81k projection from the Institute of Health Metrics?

we will see a new spike starting on April 15th or so…

because Religious Freedom

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:33:52am

re: #72 Belafon

I have a 2L bottle of Purell, latex gloves (roughly about 50) and one N95 mask. I also took my election lesson in March. I think I am ready for the Primary. It is moved to sometime in June.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:34:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:35:35am
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:35:52am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

It does look like it is from the 60’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:37:40am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:38:17am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ah memories of the IBM System 360…and the hundreds of punch cards I typed for programs in Summer Vo-Tech school in 1972!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:39:14am

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It really is disturbing to me that we have a part of the left as ignorant about governance as the Tea Party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:39:19am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:40:48am

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well Trump already appointed prominent Kyle-American, Kavanaugh.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:40:53am

re: #73 Belafon

I think a lot of the models are already taking that into account. Not every megachurch is going to meet. Churches in Rockwall aren’t meeting physically, just online.

I’m not sure how they could plausibly account for it, although they are smart folks. You know for certain a bunch of idiots in Florida, at the very least, are going to be nuts to butts in the pews just to prove a point. And there are something like 14 states with specific exemptions to stay at home orders for religious services.

As we know here, the projections make very clear that they are based on social distancing orders being in place through the end of May. I just hope that this has been baked into their numbers—and maybe church services and other lunacy contribute to the upper limit of the projection.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:41:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:41:08am

re: #81 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It really is disturbing to me that we have a part of the left as ignorant about governance as the Tea Party.

You mean the bulk of the Berniebros?

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Interesting Times  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:42:04am

Co-sign:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:42:39am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You mean the bulk of the Berniebros?

Yes the Berniebots pushing the rapist lies about Biden…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:42:57am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You mean the bulk of the Berniebros?

The person here is a Congressional candidate nuff said.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:43:26am

re: #88 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes the Berniebots pushing the rapist lies about Biden…

They also don’t understand how government works.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:44:51am

thebanter.substack.com

Trump’s Cult Is Committing Suicide To Own The Libs

The dumbing down of the Republican base is reaping a bitter fruit.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:45:40am

re: #81 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It really is disturbing to me that we have a part of the left as ignorant about governance as the Tea Party.

It is, about the only good thing is we haven’t put them in charge of the party.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:47:07am

re: #84 Mike Lamb

I’m not sure how they could plausibly account for it, although they are smart folks. You know for certain a bunch of idiots in Florida, at the very least, are going to be nuts to butts in the pews just to prove a point. And there are something like 14 states with specific exemptions to stay at home orders for religious services.

As we know here, the projections make very clear that they are based on social distancing orders being in place through the end of May. I just hope that this has been baked into their numbers—and maybe church services and other lunacy contribute to the upper limit of the projection.

Someone said that the other day, when Alabama finally announced shelter-in-place, that the models adjusted down their numbers.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:47:16am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:47:38am

re: #92 Belafon

It is, about the only good thing is we haven’t put them in charge of the party.

Yeah that’s true thankfully.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:47:41am

re: #89 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The person here is a Congressional candidate nuff said.

No doubt Susan Sarandon has endorsed this clown’s candidacy too!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:48:22am

re: #96 Joe Bacon 🌹

No doubt Susan Sarandon has endorsed this clown’s candidacy too!

Wouldn’t doubt it. Fuck em. They lost.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:49:04am

re: #94 Charles Johnson

It’s no mystery why the GOP forced the WI primary to happen in the midst of a pandemic.

They know GOP voters are very likely to disbelieve in COVID-19, and will turn out to vote when Dem voters won’t.

Sure, some will die. Small price to pay to keep the GOP in power.

Seems they might not have thought that all the way through to the general.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:49:20am

re: #94 Charles Johnson

It will be interesting to see the numbers. I think a lot of Democrats will turn out because they have the same view I do about this election. What it might do is supress those who need a whole lot of motivation, like younger voters.

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b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:50:42am

Howdy Lizards:

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William Lewis  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:50:53am

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Seems they might not have thought that all the way through to the general.

In Wisconsin the SCJ race is more important than the presidency because of redistricting. Wisconsin is horrifically gerrymandered and the state supreme court is crucial to GOP authoritarian control here.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:55:03am

re: #101 William Lewis

In Wisconsin the SCJ race is more important than the presidency because of redistricting. Wisconsin is horrifically gerrymandered and the state supreme court is crucial to GOP authoritarian control here.

Robert La Follette weeps in his grave seeing how corrupted Wisconsin has become…

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:55:11am

re: #40 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Is anyone going to ask DT what he’ll do in January if (heaven forbid) he wins?

KEEP AMERICA GREAT JUST LIKE I HAVE BEEN DOING!!! TREMENDOUSLY!! INCREDIBLY!!

You know, the same bullshit he says all the time.

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:55:52am

“The explanation is we want to do crime without being called on it.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:56:38am

re: #83 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well Trump already appointed prominent Kyle-American, Kavanaugh.

Chad. The epitome of Chad’s everywhere.

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William Lewis  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:57:50am

re: #102 Joe Bacon 🌹

Robert La Follette weeps in his grave seeing how corrupted Wisconsin has become…

Meh. We still haven’t gotten as bad as we were in the 1850’s to the 1890’s. These freaks are pikers by comparison. We’ll recover eventually. It’s like the rest of the nation - you gotta keep on keeping on.

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:57:56am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 11:59:56am

Berniebots now saying Biden will bow out for Cuomo because of the false rape allegations…

FAT FUCKING CHANCE…

The same Berniebots who ignore Saint Bernie’s porno articles…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:00:33pm
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lawhawk  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:01:05pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:07:26pm
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Chrysicat  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:10:31pm

re: #85 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:11:22pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:13:50pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As a young man, Who drummer Keith Moon found it difficult to maintain his job as a parking lot attendant.

He enjoyed more success as a bell boy

The Who - Bell Boy

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:14:12pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:15:02pm

re: #110 lawhawk

So, a 3-year old photo from a terror attack in Egypt is photo you’ve associated here?

Who made that “editorial” choice?

some unpaid intern working from home

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:15:58pm

Modlys vs Rockers! Just like Quadrophenia!!!

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:17:04pm

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Most likely the case.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:17:18pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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He will have a soft landing…

Possibly coupled with some supportive statements from Trump indicating that Modly did the right thing with his speech.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:18:09pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:18:19pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:21:40pm

re: #120 goddamnedfrank

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Yeah I’m sure having tons of eyes watching you try to mate would make anyone uncomfortable. So I understand where the pandas are coming from here.

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lawhawk  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:21:41pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:22:44pm

re: #121 gocart mozart

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The clapgressional Medal of Honor for bravery beyond the call of duty.

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Chrysicat  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:23:19pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:23:40pm

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ah memories of the IBM System 360…and the hundreds of punch cards I typed for programs in Summer Vo-Tech school in 1972!

ditto

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:25:17pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:27:02pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

It’s no mystery why the GOP forced the WI primary to happen in the midst of a pandemic.

all this for one state supreme court seat

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:30:12pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:31:55pm

re: #122 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I’m sure having tons of eyes watching you try to mate would make anyone uncomfortable. So I understand where the pandas are coming from here.

We are all Tralfamadorians.

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Chrysicat  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:32:27pm

re: #121 gocart mozart

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:32:47pm

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:34:10pm

There are stupid religious people in every religion and the rest of us suffer from being among them.

Yeah and I did not go out for a drive like I wanted to. If I want fresh air I can go out on the deck and run around in the backyard.

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retired cynic  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:36:03pm

Modley’s out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:36:52pm

re: #134 retired cynic

Modley’s out.

Love her Modley

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:37:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:37:22pm
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Chrysicat  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:37:55pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:38:09pm

re: #133 The Pie Overlord!

Yeah and I did not go out for a drive like I wanted to. If I want fresh air I can go out on the deck and run around in the backyard.

I am fortunate to live in a little winemaking village surrounded by vineyards that are just perfect for a brisk walk. I figure 2km walking briskly uphill is about the same as jogging except without pounding on my knees and other joints.

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Disloyal Archangel  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:38:29pm
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William Lewis  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:38:56pm

re: #134 retired cynic

Modley’s out.

It always amuses me when one of the Republican Thugs goes so over the line that even the Republicans have to dump them.

Meanwhile the good citizens of Wisconsin are risking their lives to do that to the rest of the Thugs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:39:52pm

re: #140 Disloyal Archangel

Nope, nothing biblical about all the Jews in Israel having to stay in their homes on #Passover2020 eve so a plague passes over them and they stay protected.

NOTHING BIBLICAL ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

they’re gonna get blamed for it as well…

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:40:32pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:44:29pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

never tired of cooking, although the dishes are a drag…

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sagehen  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:44:52pm

re: #140 Disloyal Archangel

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in fairness… if I were to smear lamb’s blood on my door, pretty sure the building’s 3x a day disinfecting squad would remove it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:45:25pm

Just want to give a shout out to my late grandfather. He was a WWII Navy vet who served in the civilian government for 40 years after the war ended.

From a young age he taught me about politics and civics and the importance of being educated and informed about what is going on around us. He watched election results almost every year without fail and I remember watching them with him many times, asking all kinds of questions to which my young self did not know the answer. He always took time to explain things to me, telling me not only how they worked but why they were important.

When I became an adult and stayed politically engaged and educated, he was so proud of me.

I miss you so damned much, old man.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:45:40pm

re: #145 sagehen

in fairness… if I were to smear lamb’s blood on my door, pretty sure the building’s 3x a day disinfecting squad would remove it.

Just bathe in the Blood of Christ

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:47:41pm

re: #145 sagehen

My neighbor’s already think that I am somewhat imbalanced. Smearing lamb’s blood on the doorframe would make me infamous not to mention that it would be all over the internet in a matter of minutes.

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William Lewis  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:49:07pm

Before I head out to work, here’s some good news if you need two classic shows to stream in their entirety - Battlestar Galactica & Xena Warrior Princess. Pretty sure the BSG is the recent one. I know I plan to watch me some Xena :D

Info here: tor.com

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:51:13pm

Additional quarantine measures here at the Conspiracy Compound:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:52:29pm

re: #149 William Lewis

I have such a huge soft spot in my heart for seasons one and two of Xena. I actually own them on DVD. >.>

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:52:50pm

Thoughts and prayers, y’all:

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sagehen  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:53:23pm

HBOGo is streaming a bunch of their finished series for free, no subscription required.

play.hbogo.com

The Wire, Sopranos, Veep, Six Feet Under, True Blood, etc.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:54:46pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:56:53pm

They ain’t 6 feet apart…

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:57:29pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 12:58:36pm

Truth.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:01:26pm
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jaunte  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:05:30pm

“rapid response team to be emphasized”

How long does it take to train republican operatives to mouth “fake news” at anything they don’t like?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:05:58pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:06:21pm

re: #158 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Maybe they should have walked the…

Was (Not Was) - Walk The Dinosaur

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:07:02pm
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Eventual Carrion  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:07:48pm

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ah memories of the IBM System 360…and the hundreds of punch cards I typed for programs in Summer Vo-Tech school in 1972!

We were still using them in the 80’s for a few smaller departments in the county where I worked. We had a 3081 and a 3083 IBM for the large large volume processing. And a stray Sperry Univac and Unisys systems (Unisys was for the 911 system, Sperry was for the tax department).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:07:49pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:09:15pm

I was pretty sure yesterday’s super low number couldn’t last and yep. There’s 61 new cases and one new death today.

Honestly the numbers after the weekend are frequently a little wonky.

On the other hand: growth has definitely leveled off. It’s not exponential now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:09:20pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:10:37pm

re: #160 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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people say that chloroquine works better than light bulbs

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:11:26pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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kick
mconnell’s
ass

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:11:36pm

re: #167 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

I knew he was a voyeur; I didn’t know he was into miniatures.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:12:06pm

re: #165 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I was pretty sure yesterday’s super low number couldn’t last and yep. There’s 61 new cases and one new death today.

Honestly the numbers after the weekend are frequently a little wonky.

On the other hand: growth has definitely leveled off. It’s not exponential now.

florida sez ‘hold our beer’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:12:50pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:13:48pm

re: #167 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

people say that chloroquine works better than light bulbs

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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steve_davis  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:14:29pm

re: #41 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This is terrible.

i have a sister in the medical field who is terrified of this. she isn’t that worried by covid 19, as much as she is that if anything happens to her heart—and she has a mild issue that’s put her in an emergency room once—she may be shit out of luck as far as getting care for it, if south carolina doesn’t really manage to flatten the curve on this. By the way, which one of you libtard bastards got me watching Dark Shadows again? I’ve made it to the costume party where they are in the process of having a seance. Not heartening to know that there are roughly 1000 more episodes to binge watch here. With social isolation in place, that will be through next Friday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:16:15pm
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retired cynic  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:16:47pm

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ah memories of the IBM System 360…and the hundreds of punch cards I typed for programs in Summer Vo-Tech school in 1972!

Oh, yes. My college computer courses used those. Such a big deal they were! Made our IBM 1120s seem so… quaint.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:16:48pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Additional quarantine measures here at the Conspiracy Compound:

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Shoulda bought the 360 degree rotating Coehorn mortar.

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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:18:16pm

Due to the current plague, take your daughter to work day got moved up a couple of weeks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:18:22pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:19:53pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:20:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:20:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:20:35pm

I think Trump was behind Modly’s “resignation.” The way he talked about it yesterday at his mind-numbingly horrible press conference, it was clear he was going to do something like this. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Crozier be reinstated. It’s just the kind of thing Trump would do to try to pander to military members, and Modly was so obviously aping Trump with that speech that he knew it looked bad for him.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:21:44pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

I think Trump was behind Modly’s “resignation.” The way he talked about it yesterday at his mind-numbingly horrible press conference, it was clear he was going to do something like this. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Crozier be reinstated. It’s just the kind of thing Trump would do to try to pander to military members, and Modly was so obviously aping Trump with that speech that he knew it looked bad for him.

I didn’t watch. Was there a lot of “we’ll see what happens”?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:22:14pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:22:47pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

I think Trump was behind Modly’s “resignation.” The way he talked about it yesterday at his mind-numbingly horrible press conference, it was clear he was going to do something like this. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Crozier be reinstated. It’s just the kind of thing Trump would do to try to pander to military members, and Modly was so obviously aping Trump with that speech that he knew it looked bad for him.

no doubt trump was this close —-> ||<—- to giving modly an attaboy

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:23:06pm

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

I didn’t watch. Was there a lot of “we’ll see what happens”?

Exactly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:23:24pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:24:06pm

i’ma go make a key lime pie

with chantilly whipped cream

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:24:22pm

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

I didn’t watch. Was there a lot of “we’ll see what happens”?

he said he would probably “get involved” investigating what happened.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:25:03pm

re: #188 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

i’ma go make a key lime pie

with chantilly whipped cream

This is cruel and unusual punishment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:26:51pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:27:25pm

This thread appeals to all my interests!

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:30:31pm

Whoa if true:

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Dread Pirate  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:31:37pm
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Ace Rothstein  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:34:25pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is no past tense to birtherism. Once a birther, always a birther.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:34:30pm

re: #194 Dread Pirate

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Says the guy who works for the guy who took Putin’s word over the IC.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:34:45pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:35:38pm

re: #195 Ace Rothstein

There is no past tense to birtherism. Once a birther, always a birther.

One of the ugliest parts of the Obama era and of course Trump himself is King Birther.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:36:12pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

He wasn’t aping Trump. He was saying what Trump wanted him to say and it backfired. Spectacularly.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:43:54pm

If I were Crozier I’d just resign my commission rather than accept reinstatement from a flagrantly hypocritical President who has already publicly condemned my earnest letter.

But that’s probably not going to happen for the same reason that I, someone who never served, thinks it’s a good idea.

The most attractive option for him might just be to take a post COVID-19 infection medical retirement.

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EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:44:24pm

re: #199 Ace Rothstein

He wasn’t aping Trump. He was saying what Trump wanted him to say and it backfired. Spectacularly.

The GOP is in some kind of perverse Highlander situation (“there can be only one”) with respect to being a Trump-like gaping asshole 24/7. Trump is pure Teflon for that shit, while any other Republican that does the same has a good chance of getting in trouble.

This is how we can tell the GOP cult is monotheistic rather than polytheistic.

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Done Ben Wrote  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:45:14pm

I said last thread that I would report on voting in Milwaukee when I got home.

Total time from when I parked my car to when I got back to it—approximately 2 hours.

Overall, the city has done about as well with the situation as they could. The line when I was there was about a half-mile long, but moving fairly well. The cops had blocked off some of the side streets around the school for reasons that I did not quite understand.

Painters tape lines were 6’ apart on the sidewalks and in the school so we could easily maintain our distances. Inside, one woman, quite possibly selected for her ability to project her voice, made sure everyone was aware that they should be standing on the blue lines. National Guardsmen were walking up and down the line making sure that everyone was registered to vote, at their correct polling station and knew which ward they lived in. The unregistered got a separate, shorter, line to stand in. One guardsman was at the end of the line handing out the voter numbers.

One thing that I totally approved of—handicapped people got a different line, basically letting them cut in front of everyone else. I would much rather wait half-an-hour extra than disenfranchise someone unable to stand for the duration.

It looked like about 80% of the people were wearing masks of some type.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:46:30pm

Fuck you, Maggie

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:46:44pm

Update for the whole state:

Those hospital numbers are the particularly sobering part.

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retired cynic  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:47:29pm

re: #194 Dread Pirate

The comments on that thread. Good Grief!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:47:42pm

So the IHME model predicted Louisiana’s deaths would have peaked yesterday… but today the new deaths set a new high.

Overall, the IHME is doing fine in the national aggregate but is not doing well for Louisiana and some other states.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:52:37pm

re: #202 Done Ben Wrote

Thank you for your patriotism. Thank you for risking you’re life to vote.

Hope you took a long, soapy shower and then had a large adult beverage of your choosing!

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:52:59pm

So, is Friedman calling for a “Unity Cabinet” only because nobody at this point would take “Unity VP” seriously?

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gwangung  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:53:04pm

re: #206 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So the IHME model predicted Louisiana’s deaths would have peaked yesterday… but today the new deaths set a new high.

Overall, the IHME is doing fine in the national aggregate but is not doing well for Louisiana and some other states.

It’s assuming that everyone there practices social distancing.

Sigh. That means it’s going to be way more optimistic for red states….

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retired cynic  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:54:42pm

Illinois c19 stats
Tuesday 4/7 68,732 tested (5790 new), 13,549 positive (1,287 new), 380 deaths (10 new)

That’s much smaller on the death increase, and the largest number tested so far. New positives is staying well up there, unfortunately.

My nearest county (1 over) is going up in new cases about 1 a day, although no one new has died.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:54:43pm

re: #163 Eventual Carrion

And a stray Sperry Univac and Unisys systems (Unisys was for the 911 system, Sperry was for the tax department).

Unisys had two mainframes: the U-series (Univac) and A-series (Burroughs Large Systems) - I take it you had a Unisys U box?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:57:05pm
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PrairieQueen  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:59:02pm

Is it just me, or am I fairly certain that by election time Trump’s lies about COVID-19, the lack of oversight on emergency fund spending, removing whistleblowers, his impeachment - that his nanny Fox News’ revisionist history will secure that POS another term as POTUS?

I’m just not as optimistic this will be his undoing by November. I suspect he’ll be a superstar again in the eyes of his cult followers, and I don’t know that Biden is going to be able to maximize on shit that happened several months before the election; it won’t be the shiny thing any longer.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 7, 2020 • 1:59:37pm

re: #213 PrairieQueen

Is it just me, or am I fairly certain that by election time Trump’s lies about COVID-19, the lack of oversight on emergency fund spending, removing whistleblowers, his impeachment - that his nanny Fox News’ revisionist history will secure that POS another term as POTUS?

I’m just not as optimistic this will be his undoing by November. I suspect he’ll be a superstar again in the eyes of his cult followers, and I don’t know that Biden is going to be able to maximize on shit that happened several months before the election; it won’t be the shiny thing any longer.

Not just you.

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:00:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:02:19pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:02:53pm

re: #213 PrairieQueen

Is it just me, or am I fairly certain that by election time Trump’s lies about COVID-19, the lack of oversight on emergency fund spending, removing whistleblowers, his impeachment - that his nanny Fox News’ revisionist history will secure that POS another term as POTUS?

I’m just not as optimistic this will be his undoing by November. I suspect he’ll be a superstar again in the eyes of his cult followers, and I don’t know that Biden is going to be able to maximize on shit that happened several months before the election; it won’t be the shiny thing any longer.

Of course Trump will be a superstar in the eyes of his cultists this November. Nothing can change that.

But that’s irrelevant. The path to a D victory in November never relied on converting even a single Trump cultist. That path is via D turnout and (regrettably) the mushy middle in purple states.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:03:34pm

The US, France, Belgium, Brazil, Sweden… all reporting new highs in daily deaths from Covid-19.

So now we’re in the thick of things. Of course Trump and his sycophants will jump on any decrease in cases as a reason to let up on the shutdowns.

But looking at what has happened in Italy and Spain, it will be several weeks after the peaks until the case load and hospital loads get low enough to not be of great concern.

BTW, here in California where the Bay area counties locked down early and the whole state locked down ahead of most others, our per capital cases and deaths are now below that of many states.

Prevention is the best medicine.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:04:02pm

re: #213 PrairieQueen

Is it just me, or am I fairly certain that by election time Trump’s lies about COVID-19, the lack of oversight on emergency fund spending, removing whistleblowers, his impeachment - that his nanny Fox News’ revisionist history will secure that POS another term as POTUS?

I’m just not as optimistic this will be his undoing by November. I suspect he’ll be a superstar again in the eyes of his cult followers, and I don’t know that Biden is going to be able to maximize on shit that happened several months before the election; it won’t be the shiny thing any longer.

It’s not just you, but it’s not me. Trump couldn’t keep the House in 2018 without his mismanagement of a major crisis that’s going to get his supporters killed, or mismanagment of a Navy captain trying to protect his crew that is pissing off the conservative military people I know.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:04:31pm
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PrairieQueen  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:05:20pm

re: #214 Renaissance_Man

I thought maybe I was being a Debbie Downer. I really feel like this will all be unimportant with enough time to lie about it each and every day. Seems that if he denies it enough, it’s accepted as fact within 24 hours. We have months for him to double down lying. By November he’ll be the asshole that saved the world, and prevented the country from becoming a teary-eyed nanny state.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:05:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:06:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:09:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:10:01pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:10:19pm

It’s expected that Gov. Wilmer will extend Michigan’s “Stay Home, Stay safe” executive order through the end of the month (it was to expire next Monday).

Yet we have some folks in this state for whom such an action is affront:

James LoTempio, 51, of Delta Township near Lansing, was among about 30 demonstrators outside the Capitol Tuesday, calling for getting Michigan back to normal as soon as possible. Most of them were connected with a Facebook group called Michigan United for Liberty.

“There’s got to be a balance between protecting us and taking away our rights,” said LoTempio, a disabled veteran who used to fly drones for the U.S. Navy.

“People are out of work, and we can’t sustain that,” he said. “People are out of work and losing their homes.”

The governor “wants to keep that going.”

LoTempio said his wife lost her job as a school employee at a juvenile home near Eaton Rapids.

Seems to me that I’d be in favor of a document signed by those who refuse to abide by the state’s quarantine order whereby they sign away any right to any and all state assistance (including healthcare)….

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:10:43pm

re: #199 Ace Rothstein

He wasn’t aping Trump. He was saying what Trump wanted him to say and it backfired. Spectacularly.

Everything about this whole mess sounds like it was a response to Trump outbursts.

I’ve no doubt that Modly first yanked Crozier because he got a nasty call from the WH to “fire” the man responsible for the letter in the first place. Why? Make up an excuse, say he violated “national security,” just get him off the ship and replace him with somebody “loyal.” Modly complies and then overcompensates by pinning the “leak” on Crozier, but Trump takes his cue and declares the captain made the US look “weak.”

Then Modly gets informed about the video of crew cheering and applauding Crozier as he disembarks, just before he gets another nasty call from the WH about how he fucked up because the media now sees the captain as a martyr rather than a criminal. Now Modly’s pissed, this was all supposed to be over and done with, so he flies straight to Guam in a huff to rant at the crew. But not just any rant, the rant of a mid-level manager who’s been told to get out there and break up talk among the workers of unionizing. So he slags Crozier, he gives the crew the “remember who signs your paycheck” bit, and then ends off on whining about how everybody’s being so mean to him.

Gets back to D.C., arriving just in time to find out that his “private” speech to the crew is now all over the internet. And the boss is saying that he may get “involved” in the investigation. And then that phone call from the WH comes…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:13:07pm
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Renaissance_Man  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:13:34pm

re: #227 Targetpractice

Gets back to D.C., arriving just in time to find out that his “private” speech to the crew is now all over the internet. And the boss is saying that he may get “involved” in the investigation. And then that phone call from the WH comes…

All of this is true except the last bit, because the president is too much of a coward to tell someone they’re fired. Someone in the inner circle, probably a TV host, suggested that he had angered the god emperor and should fall on his sword.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:13:48pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Irony didn’t just die, it was shot, stabbed, strangled and thrown off a cliff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:13:52pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:14:14pm

LOL

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:14:33pm

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Maybe she should listen to Dr. Fauci and not the orange gasbag?

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Done Ben Wrote  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:14:51pm

re: #207 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I had poll workers thank me for voting.

It it hard not to cry thinking of that. My exposure was minimal, theirs was and is continuous. A new person every minute. For hours—until the line is gone.

They are the ones that we really owe thank-yous to.

May their ppe be sufficient.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:15:16pm

re: #229 Renaissance_Man

All of this is true except the last bit, because the president is too much of a coward to tell someone they’re fired. Someone in the inner circle, probably a TV host, suggested that he had angered the god emperor and should fall on his sword.

Yep Trump is always a coward.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:15:26pm
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sagehen  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:15:49pm

re: #226 Eric The Fruit Bat

Seems to me that I’d be in favor of a document signed by those who refuse to abide by the state’s quarantine order whereby they sign away any right to any and all state assistance (including healthcare)….

Isn’t that something the cops do when trying to evacuate beachgoers who refuse to leave before a hurricane? Remind them there will be no rescues, write their SSN on their arms in waterproof ink, ask for their next-of-kin…

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:15:56pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is where Trump and the GOP have turned this into a war.

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:16:06pm

re: #229 Renaissance_Man

All of this is true except the last bit, because the president is too much of a coward to tell someone they’re fired. Someone in the inner circle, probably a TV host, suggested that he had angered the god emperor and should fall on his sword.

Nah, the call was to tell him that he could forget that nomination. He wasn’t fired outright, just told that he wasn’t getting that promotion he figured he’d earned. And so he’s quitting instead of getting to work one day to find his stuff in a box and a new guy measuring the office for drapes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:16:11pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:17:09pm

Evening Lizardim from the beautiful and warm wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk on this perfect spring evening?

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KGxvi  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:17:38pm

re: #213 PrairieQueen

Is it just me, or am I fairly certain that by election time Trump’s lies about COVID-19, the lack of oversight on emergency fund spending, removing whistleblowers, his impeachment - that his nanny Fox News’ revisionist history will secure that POS another term as POTUS?

I’m just not as optimistic this will be his undoing by November. I suspect he’ll be a superstar again in the eyes of his cult followers, and I don’t know that Biden is going to be able to maximize on shit that happened several months before the election; it won’t be the shiny thing any longer.

He’s going to get 40% of the national popular vote; Biden is going to get 40%. That’s simply the floor in a two person race. The question is the remaining 20%. I seriously doubt we’re going to see nearly 6% voting for a third party candidate (for the record, that’s the highest third party vote since 1996). It’ll probably be closer to the traditional 1-2%. So, that leaves about 18-19% of the electorate potentially “up for grabs.” We also know that incumbent presidents end up with a percentage of the vote fairly close to their approval rating at election time.

Trump’s approval rating has spiked a bit (but seems to be dropping off already) due to the pandemic (rally around the flag, I suspect). But he’s been pretty consistently in the low 40s for much of the last two years - and before the midterms was under 40%.

I think he’s as close to an underdog any incumbent has been since at least Carter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:18:46pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:21:10pm

re: #242 KGxvi

He’s going to get 40% of the national popular vote; Biden is going to get 40%. That’s simply the floor in a two person race. The question is the remaining 20%. I seriously doubt we’re going to see nearly 6% voting for a third party candidate (for the record, that’s the highest third party vote since 1996). It’ll probably be closer to the traditional 1-2%. So, that leaves about 18-19% of the electorate potentially “up for grabs.” We also know that incumbent presidents end up with a percentage of the vote fairly close to their approval rating at election time.

Trump’s approval rating has spiked a bit (but seems to be dropping off already) due to the pandemic (rally around the flag, I suspect). But he’s been pretty consistently in the low 40s for much of the last two years - and before the midterms was under 40%.

I think he’s as close to an underdog any incumbent has been since at least Carter.

Have to agree. He just isn’t polling well. Could he still win re-election? Of course but I think the odds are against it right now. I really think the country is going to want something resembling a normal President after all this madness. I agree with your 40-40 rule. We’re not going to see an epic landslide either way as much as I would love to see Biden humiliate Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:21:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:22:26pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:23:09pm

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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:23:15pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:23:34pm

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are so many of these guys I just wish I could scream every fucking curse word known to man at.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:23:38pm

What Wisconsin faces today we ALL might be facing in November.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:24:01pm

re: #250 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

There are so many of these guys I just wish I could scream every fucking curse word known to man at.

Seconded.

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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:24:26pm

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This may just be the daily two-minutes of hate where both Jared and Ivanka show up. Insert mandatory “I hate this timeline” here.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:25:08pm

re: #252 Eclectic Cyborg

Seconded.

It’s not a coincidence that governors like DeSanitis among others who rose to political prominence by being Trump ass kissers have had the worst responses on this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:25:29pm

Not that I’ll be watching, but is Trump doing another one of his “Look at me, I’m awesome” news conferences today?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:25:34pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:25:40pm

re: #253 Teddy’s Person

This may just be the daily two-minutes of hate where both Jared and Ivanka show up. Insert mandatory “I hate this timeline” here.

I don’t care how heartless this sounds but I want to see Jared or Ivanka suffer from this virus. And I want Trump to have to watch it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:25:42pm
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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:25:47pm

re: #250 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

There are so many of these guys I just wish I could scream every fucking curse word known to man at.

Hell, it’s way past time to make up a few new ones.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:26:13pm

re: #234 Done Ben Wrote

I had poll workers thank me for voting.

It it hard not to cry thinking of that. My exposure was minimal, theirs was and is continuous. A new person every minute. For hours—until the line is gone.

They are the ones that we really owe thank-yous to.

May their ppe be sufficient.

🙏

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:26:26pm

re: #259 Teddy’s Person

Hell, it’s way past time to make up a few new ones.

Maybe we could ask Scottish Twitter. I know we have at least one Lizard who is Scottish.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:26:48pm

re: #242 KGxvi

He’s going to get 40% of the national popular vote; Biden is going to get 40%. That’s simply the floor in a two person race. The question is the remaining 20%. I seriously doubt we’re going to see nearly 6% voting for a third party candidate (for the record, that’s the highest third party vote since 1996). It’ll probably be closer to the traditional 1-2%. So, that leaves about 18-19% of the electorate potentially “up for grabs.” We also know that incumbent presidents end up with a percentage of the vote fairly close to their approval rating at election time.

Trump’s approval rating has spiked a bit (but seems to be dropping off already) due to the pandemic (rally around the flag, I suspect). But he’s been pretty consistently in the low 40s for much of the last two years - and before the midterms was under 40%.

I think he’s as close to an underdog any incumbent has been since at least Carter.

He’s also declining psychologically and there are a lot of shoes left to drop, along with tens of thousands more American bodies.

For instance, I don’t see how the ratings agencies can avoid downgrading the US credit outlook before the election, with such massive added debt piled on top of revenue cuts.

What happens to the residential real estate market when that hits simultaneously with a glut of houses needing to be sold because their former owners died? What happens to the already moribund commercial real estate market when a ton of small businesses fold, unable to fulfill their leases?

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KGxvi  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:26:49pm

re: #245 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Have to agree. He just isn’t polling well. Could he still win re-election? Of course but I think the odds are against it right now. I really think the country is going to want something resembling a normal President after all this madness. I agree with your 40-40 rule. We’re not going to see an epic landslide either way as much as I would love to see Biden humiliate Trump.

‘84 was a landslide 58.8-40.6 for Reagan
‘80 was close to a landslide 50.7-41-6.6 (probably would have been worse if Anderson wasn’t on the ballot)
‘72 was 60.7-37.5 for Nixon (which just makes Watergate look even stupider in context)
‘64 was 61.1-38.5 for LBJ

I don’t think it’ll be that bad. But something like 2008 - 53-45 with Trump failing to break 200 in the electoral college seems plausible.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:26:53pm

I mean, we already knew the GOP are willing to get people killed to stay in power, but I think WI today puts a real exclamation point on it.

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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:27:29pm

re: #257 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t care how heartless this sounds but I want to see Jared or Ivanka suffer from this virus. And I want Trump to have to watch it.

They can all get it and share one ventilator.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:28:24pm

re: #263 KGxvi

‘84 was a landslide 58.8-40.6 for Reagan
‘80 was close to a landslide 50.7-41-6.6 (probably would have been worse if Anderson wasn’t on the ballot)
‘72 was 60.7-37.5 for Nixon (which just makes Watergate look even stupider in context)
‘64 was 61.1-38.5 for LBJ

I don’t think it’ll be that bad. But something like 2008 - 53-45 with Trump failing to break 200 in the electoral college seems plausible.

Yeah I think that’s likely.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:28:27pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is so disheartening. This is why I will never vote Republican — even for the “good ones” like Governor Hogan. They do too much anti-democratic nonsense like this with complete disregard for their fellow citizens. I feel so sorry for that young lady and others who are risking their health to vote in Wisconsin today.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:29:37pm

re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg

I mean, we already knew the GOP are willing to get people killed to stay in power, but I think WI today puts a real exclamation point on it.

I hope to God that the people out there voting today vote that motherfucker WI Supreme Court justice out on his ass.

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Thanos  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:29:48pm

The 2020 Hugo Noms:

thehugoawards.org

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:29:53pm

re: #234 Done Ben Wrote

I had poll workers thank me for voting.

It it hard not to cry thinking of that. My exposure was minimal, theirs was and is continuous. A new person every minute. For hours—until the line is gone.

They are the ones that we really owe thank-yous to.

May their ppe be sufficient.

I have a great aunt in WI. She normally is a poll worker. I don’t know if she was working today or not. She has to be in her 70s.

Fuck those who made the decision to put these people at risk. And may they all be safe.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:30:24pm

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

He’s also declining psychologically and there are a lot of shoes left to drop, along with tens of thousands more American bodies.

For instance, I don’t see how the ratings agencies can avoid downgrading the US credit outlook before the election, with such massive added debt piled on top of revenue cuts.

What happens to the residential real estate market when that hits simultaneously with a glut of houses needing to be sold because their former owners died? What happens to the already moribund commercial real estate market when a ton of small businesses fold, unable to fulfill their leases?

And also the majority of the American people have not seen the yin and yang difference between how Biden has responded to it and how Trump has. The American people aren’t going to go with the guy who rated himself a 10 on his handling of this over a guy who has and will continue to show empathy to people who have lost their loved ones. I get why people are worried after what happened in 2016 but I said it three years ago and I’ll say it again, I genuinely believe that Trump is more beatable as an incumbent than a challenger because he can’t hide behind being an empty slate.

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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:31:14pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:33:16pm

Republicans Are Scum.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:33:37pm

re: #267 Patricia Kayden

This is so disheartening. This is why I will never vote Republican — even for the “good ones” like Governor Hogan. They do too much anti-democratic nonsense like this with complete disregard for their fellow citizens. I feel so sorry for that young lady and others who are risking their health to vote in Wisconsin today.

Yeah I don’t hate Hogan but I want his party to be d-e-a-d and never come back after this.

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:34:03pm

re: #263 KGxvi

‘84 was a landslide 58.8-40.6 for Reagan
‘80 was close to a landslide 50.7-41-6.6 (probably would have been worse if Anderson wasn’t on the ballot)
‘72 was 60.7-37.5 for Nixon (which just makes Watergate look even stupider in context)
‘64 was 61.1-38.5 for LBJ

I don’t think it’ll be that bad. But something like 2008 - 53-45 with Trump failing to break 200 in the electoral college seems plausible.

And much like ‘08, they’ll insist that it’s not a “mandate” because it wasn’t a “landslide,” claiming that Biden won not because of what he ran on but because the country was displeased with Trump. And so he needs to “reach out” to Congressional Republicans or else be deemed “divisive.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:34:22pm

So there have been some discussion aired on Twitter at least that the MLB is looking into the possibility of holding games in empty stadiums down in Arizona. This tweet springboards off of that but also refers to some of the issues with the current COVID-19 tests, namely that a negative doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re clear:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:35:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:35:50pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:36:11pm

re: #276 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So there have been some discussion aired on Twitter at least that the MLB is looking into the possibility of holding games in empty stadiums down in Arizona. This tweet springboards off of that but also refers to some of the issues with the current COVID-19 tests, namely that a negative doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re clear:

Yeah as a MLB fan, I saw that. It’s definitely somewhat complicated by the fact that you have the minor leaguers too as well as the fact that I think this is the last year of the current CBA or that’s coming up soon and tehre are some issues of contention between owners and players.

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stpaulbear  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:37:19pm

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Love her Modley

A band I was in played a medley of Doors songs that ended with Love Her Madly. Our bass player took to singing the lyrics “Don’t you love our medley, Don’t we play it bedley”. It’s hard to leave song lyrics alone when you have to sing them every night.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:39:01pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:39:53pm

Kentucky has 7 deaths today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:39:57pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:40:08pm

re: #254 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s not a coincidence that governors like DeSanitis among others who rose to political prominence by being Trump ass kissers have had the worst responses on this.

Them old folks at The Villages are discovering what they’ve got to lose.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:40:30pm
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Disloyal Archangel  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:41:02pm
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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:41:20pm

More content for Democrats’ ads in Nov.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:41:21pm

re: #279 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah as a MLB fan, I saw that. It’s definitely somewhat complicated by the fact that you have the minor leaguers too as well as the fact that I think this is the last year of the current CBA or that’s coming up soon and tehre are some issues of contention between owners and players.

I mean, I personally think it’s kind of irresponsible. How many tests will you need to do on a regular basis to make sure people are clear? What about the lower-level folks working security, etc. for the stadiums? The camera crews? Housekeeping at the hotels? What PPE are you diverting from the places it’s really needed in order to keep that effort going? And what happens when the first person tests positive anyway, despite all of these precautions?

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:43:01pm

re: #285 Charles Johnson

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How did those people survive without The Apprentice?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:43:06pm

Back then, wasn’t much for kids to do but put on a hat and sit in the dirt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:43:22pm
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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:45:47pm

re: #286 Disloyal Archangel

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Today, I announce my retirement as your beautiful vampire slayer. I was the best in the business. While my heart is heavy, I can say with confidence that I did a much better job than that poser Buffy.

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teleskiguy  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:46:02pm

Fuckstick is speaking. Daniel Dale, how does he do it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:46:28pm

barf

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:47:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:48:48pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:48:52pm

re: #295 teleskiguy

Fuckstick is speaking. Daniel Dale, how does he do it?

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“Our strategy.” By which means the “strategy” that is a half-assed version of the advice the experts tried giving him weeks ago, only to be met with “It’s all a hoax!”

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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:49:34pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:49:36pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sorry, forgive me…

STOP POKING YOUR DOG IN THE FACE!

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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:49:50pm

Here are the words every American should fear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:50:20pm

*THUD*

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:51:19pm

re: #302 Teddy’s Person

Here are the words every American should fear.

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Translation: “I’m getting ready to start blaming blue governors for all those deaths that my foot-dragging caused. Vote Republican!”

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:51:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:52:00pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:54:09pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

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Partial stroke?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:55:56pm

re: #307 Targetpractice

We should be that lucky. Then we would have to deal with “Pray it Away Pence.”

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:56:42pm

re: #308 PhillyPretzel

We should be that lucky. Then we would have to deal with “Pray it Away Pence.”

Sadly, that’s probably the closest we’d come to competent leadership in this admin.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 2:59:00pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:01:12pm

This. Fucking. Asshole.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:01:48pm

re: #288 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I mean, I personally think it’s kind of irresponsible. How many tests will you need to do on a regular basis to make sure people are clear? What about the lower-level folks working security, etc. for the stadiums? The camera crews? Housekeeping at the hotels? What PPE are you diverting from the places it’s really needed in order to keep that effort going? And what happens when the first person tests positive anyway, despite all of these precautions?

Everybody needs to eat. Everybody needs to go to the store sometimes. There are ALWAYS avenues for infection.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:02:18pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:02:21pm

re: #311 teleskiguy

This. Fucking. Asshole.

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“A very powerful hold”? What, he’s fucking John Cena now?

/

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Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:03:21pm

re: #311 teleskiguy

This. Fucking. Asshole.

After saying he’s going to look into the US contribution to the WHO, Trump, after some more criticism, says he’s going to put a “very powerful hold” on money sent to the WHO.

Villainy is bad, but do we need cartoon villainy?

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:03:44pm

re: #311 teleskiguy

This. Fucking. Asshole.

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Another day, another example of Donny thinking the US giving any international organization money means automatic loyalty.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:04:33pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:04:42pm

re: #310 goddamnedfrank

All the cylinders at once.

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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:05:05pm

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will receive the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award at a ceremony next month, the Kennedy Library Foundation announced Sunday.

The California Democrat is being recognized for leading “with strength, integrity and grace under pressure — using her power to protect the most vulnerable of our citizens,” former ambassador Caroline Kennedy, the foundation’s honorary president, said in a statement.

“She is the most important woman in American political history and is a true Profile in Courage,” Kennedy said. Source WaPo

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:05:41pm

Gun rights remain about race war fantasies, just like when they obsessed about slave uprisings.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:06:04pm

re: #258 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:06:32pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:06:34pm

re: #221 PrairieQueen

I thought maybe I was being a Debbie Downer. I really feel like this will all be unimportant with enough time to lie about it each and every day. Seems that if he denies it enough, it’s accepted as fact within 24 hours. We have months for him to double down lying. By November he’ll be the asshole that saved the world, and prevented the country from becoming a teary-eyed nanny state.

except we will have many more deaths continuing into June, July, August. And more info is going to come out about how he was warned, but failed. Biden gets to run, to speak. trump has to argue in a debate. It’s not over. trump will continue to fuck up.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:07:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:07:33pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:08:05pm

re: #324 Charles Johnson

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Simple: He wanted WHO to blame China for the outbreak, they refused, so he’s withholding funding until they do his bidding.

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:08:20pm

Global Lockdowns Resulting In ‘Horrifying Surge’ In Domestic Violence, U.N. Warns

npr.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:08:32pm
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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:08:38pm

re: #320 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Gun rights remain about race war fantasies, just like when they obsessed about slave uprisings.

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Honestly, I’m kind of impressed he’s sticking to the dog-whistly language and not just going for the full-on racial slur. s///

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Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:09:32pm

re: #319 Teddy’s Person

Full circle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:10:03pm

O_o

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:10:40pm

re: #323 I Would Prefer Not To

except we will have many more deaths continuing into June, July, August. And more info is going to come out about how he was warned, but failed. Biden gets to run, to speak. trump has to argue in a debate. It’s not over. trump will continue to fuck up.

Not just more info but stuff that hits closer to home. It’s hard to ignore when someone you know is affected (which is right on in the typical GOP empathy chart).

Lots of people everywhere will be personally impacted. That’s when the shit will hit the fan for Republican voters. Those who survive, at least.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:10:46pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:11:26pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

What about those busted ones that one state got and to get them repaired so they would be useable? Was that New York?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:11:34pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

Trump says he decided they’d go for “quality” ventilators, because: “There is a difference between a good ventilator and a not-so-good ventilator…so we’re going top of the line.”

The gold leaf is going to set us back a bunch.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:11:50pm

Look who just came out of the closet! /

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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:12:00pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Daniel Powter - Bad Day (Official Music Video)

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:12:24pm

re: #334 PhillyPretzel

What about those busted ones that one state got and to get them repaired so they would be useable? Was that New York?

California

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:13:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:13:26pm
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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:13:47pm

Trump has no idea what any words mean.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:15:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:15:34pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:15:44pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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“Quality” meaning some company sold Jared on some outrageously expensive units that won’t be here until Thanksgiving, just in time for Donny to boast that he’s “rebuilt” the stockpile.

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:17:04pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s going to reinstate Crozier. And then expect to be given credit for it.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:17:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:18:16pm
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jaunte  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:18:34pm

You have to be a worthless idiot to work for Trump, or part of his family, but I repeat myself.

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:19:03pm

re: #346 Charles Johnson

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He’s just slinging shit at the wall at this point in the hope that something will stick and the media will run with that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:19:37pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:20:05pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Who is “we,” you cheeto-stained turd? Has the federal gov’t opened up hospitals that I’m not aware of? Or do you think that you’re just going to send ventilators to people’s homes direct?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:20:26pm

whiplash time

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:21:17pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:21:40pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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whiplash time

I imagine this is how a lot of meetings go with him. “I should do that. Yeah, I’m going to do that! In fact, we should already be doing that! Wait, what are we doing?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:22:19pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:23:59pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He missed that memo because he was too busy doing victory laps around the office for “winning” his impeachment “trial” and taking out his grievances all those he felt “disloyal.”

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Teddy's Person  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:24:28pm

Is OAN at today’s talky-thingy lobbing softballs?

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KGxvi  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:25:30pm

re: #354 Targetpractice

I imagine this is how a lot of meetings go with him. “I should do that. Yeah, I’m going to do that! In fact, we should already be doing that! Wait, what are we doing?”

There’s a reason why stories existed that any firm that represented him over the years had to have two attorneys in the room with him at all times.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:27:18pm

I need a laugh.

Firefighters encounter the famous St. Elmo Nuclear Shrimp Cocktail sauce for the first time…

Firefighters react to St. Elmo Cocktail Sauce

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fern01  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:28:15pm

re: #13 Citizen K

CL’d from the last thread:

Rather than institute more social welfare measures, increasing our safety standards, and making us rethink how we treat the worst of us, it looks like all this crisis will manage to do is entrench the eternal conservatopia even further because fuck everything.

Another way for people to die during this crisis - The GOP will do anything to cause people harm. What a ghastly society they wish to live in. Women will die because of this ruling - as they will die because they went to vote in Wisconsin.

The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday to uphold a temporary ban on abortions in Texas, which Gov. Greg Abbott (R) enacted March 22.

A lawsuit brought by the state’s abortion providers had reversed that decision and led a district court to grant emergency access to “time-sensitive” abortion care. But a 2 to 1 decision by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals’ three-judge panel has now backed Abbott’s executive order. This is one of a handful of legal battles boiling nationwide concerning abortions during the coronavirus pandemic.

washingtonpost.com

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teleskiguy  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:29:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:29:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:30:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:31:59pm
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sagehen  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:32:45pm

re: #341 Teddy’s Person

Trump has no idea what any words mean.

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Seth Meyers:

“Yeah, cheerleader, that sounds right. Standing on the sidelines, facing the wrong direction.”

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:33:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:34:13pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:34:27pm

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:37:11pm

also, the reporter didn’t say “two weeks ago”, she said “a few weeks ago”.

but the moron just started talking over her

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:37:17pm

Crap.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:37:39pm

re: #14 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

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He’s not a leader. So he’s off the hook. //

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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:38:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:38:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:40:13pm

$1.5 BILLION?
I’m impressed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:40:52pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:42:04pm

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I really wish one of the reporters would point out that the only such example in recent history of an election being thrown by mail-in ballots…was by his own party in NC not two years ago. And not only did they try to force the state board of elections to certify it, but when that failed they just declared a redo and ran the guy they wanted in the first place.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:42:27pm
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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:43:02pm

re: #221 PrairieQueen

I thought maybe I was being a Debbie Downer. I really feel like this will all be unimportant with enough time to lie about it each and every day. Seems that if he denies it enough, it’s accepted as fact within 24 hours. We have months for him to double down lying. By November he’ll be the asshole that saved the world, and prevented the country from becoming a teary-eyed nanny state.

Except that pandemics tend to flare up again in the fall.

Prediction: we’ll get to a low level of infections by late August, Trump will strut about as though he were God Made Flesh, his mook cheering section on Fox will Praisesturbate him nonstop …

… and then starting in late September, we’ll start seeing clusters breaking out again, in smaller cities, the ones where the testing regimes never quite reached.

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:43:41pm

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

$1.5 BILLION?
I’m impressed.

[Embedded content]

Uday, give it up, nobody gives a shit about Hunter Biden anymore. It’s not a thing. It’s never going to be a thing.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:44:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:44:41pm

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:46:51pm
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KGxvi  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:48:58pm

re: #372 gocart mozart

cotdam, that’s creepy AF

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:51:13pm

re: #307 Targetpractice

Hopefully the partial part will become full on like a motherfucker.

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TedStriker  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:54:48pm

re: #193 Flying Squirrel Girl

Whoa if true:

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Jack’s still a shithead techbro for letting racists, bigots, and political psyops agents (foreign and domestic) stay on Twitter.

The enemy of my enemy is still not my friend.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:56:22pm

Can we impeach the fucker again for wanting to yank funding from the WHO?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:56:37pm

re: #375 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Heroes, all.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:58:42pm
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Mike Lamb  Apr 7, 2020 • 3:58:42pm

If we manage to limit the deaths to 81k by Aug. 4th, it will be fucking nauseating to see the toxic mix of a victory lap and “we told you it wasn’t that bad” from Trump and right wing mouth breathers. Particularly given that Trump has led from waaaaay from behind and we’d be wholly fucked if it weren’t for blue state governors.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2020 • 4:00:55pm

re: #389 Mike Lamb

If we manage to limit the deaths to 81k by Aug. 4th.

We’ll be lucky if it’s that low in two weeks.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Apr 7, 2020 • 4:11:23pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I called this earlier this morning.

littlegreenfootballs.com

re: #92 Targetpractice

Running theory is that Donny is gonna try to play “hero” by having Modly “resign” and then reinstating Crozier.

Not going to happen Capt. Crozier embarrassed him and will stay fired. Modly has also now embarrassed him and will also be fired (asked to resign). His non-apology was only the first step.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 7, 2020 • 4:19:20pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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stpaulbear  Apr 7, 2020 • 4:25:41pm

re: #385 TedStriker

Jack’s still a shithead techbro for letting racists, bigots, and political psyops agents (foreign and domestic) stay on Twitter.

The enemy of my enemy is still not my friend.

He’s also trying to gather sympathy for donating himself down to only 3.5 billion to live on,

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jeffreyw  Apr 7, 2020 • 4:26:24pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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And for the same reason car dealers stock their lots with vehicles that are loaded down with options - the profit margins are better.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 7, 2020 • 6:05:54pm

re: #211 Eric The Fruit Bat

Unisys had two mainframes: the U-series (Univac) and A-series (Burroughs Large Systems) - I take it you had a Unisys U box?

Yes, 2200. They were good, stable systems.

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John Hughes  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:31:12am

re: #311 teleskiguy

The total WHO budget 2018-2019 was around 4 billion dollars (the budget is done over 2 year periods). The US payed about 59 million a year.

So the US contribution is about 3%.

(These numbers are silly because only about 20% of the budget is paid by the member states, the other 80% is from voluntary contrubutions! I can’t find the full figures but it appears that Bill and Melinda Gates are paying more the the WHO than the American government is).


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