Bernie Sanders Suspends His Campaign (Full Speech)

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This is the political news of the day. It was just a matter of time, and now the other shoe has dropped.

However, note that Bernie is not endorsing Joe Biden, he’s remaining on ballots, and he still wants his followers to vote for him so he can collect delegates and influence the Democratic Party platform.

Senator Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., holds a virtual news conference where he makes remarks after suspending his 2020 presidential campaign.

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462 comments

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:27:15am
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Thanos  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:31:45am

I’ll stick with my motto here: everyone’s my friend until they prove otherwise.

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Dizzy  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:32:39am

Zoom powered Passover Seder ready to go!

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lawhawk  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:32:49am

Trump’s already out there calling Biden a socialist, so there’s that.

Trump will continue ratfucking no matter what.
Trump and GOP will continue to try and suppress voter turnout - in primaries and general elections nationwide - with the complete and total support of the right wing extremists who make up the majority of the Court thanks to McConnell.

Simply beating Trump in November isn’t enough. We need to not only retake the Senate, but have to deal with the near-permanent damage Trump and McConnell have wrought. There are no easy answers here. We’re going to need time and votes in every fucking election to make sure that the GOP remain out of power.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:34:04am

re: #3 Dizzy

Zoom powered Passover Seder ready to go!

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is the laptop at elijah’s seat?

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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:34:26am

So he’s suspending his campaign…but he’s also asking his supporters to continue to show up at the remaining primaries to give him enough delegates to use as leverage at the convention.

In what universe does that make any sense?

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:35:20am

re: #6 Targetpractice

It’s The BroVerse man……………….

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Thanos  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:35:24am

re: #4 lawhawk

Trump’s already out there calling Biden a socialist, so there’s that.

Trump will continue ratfucking no matter what.
Trump and GOP will continue to try and suppress voter turnout - in primaries and general elections nationwide - with the complete and total support of the right wing extremists who make up the majority of the Court thanks to McConnell.

Simply beating Trump in November isn’t enough. We need to not only retake the Senate, but have to deal with the near-permanent damage Trump and McConnell have wrought. There are no easy answers here. We’re going to need time and votes in every fucking election to make sure that the GOP remain out of power.

It’s well beyond that - this is state by state. We have to turn red states and their legislatures blue and purple. We can’t let the GOP steadily subvert democracy and our Republic anymore, we’ve seen the results and where that is headed.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:35:26am

re: #3 Dizzy

Zoom powered Passover Seder ready to go!

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Cool, I now have a name for when I sit with my laptop at dinner. :)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:35:48am

Not only do we need to hold the House and get the Senate. We have to kill the filibuster, personal holds, blue slips and 60 vote threshold in the Senate. Republicans have to be locked out of any possibility to block any action we take.

And Biden needs to appoint a Special Prosecutor to go after every last crooked Republican. It just might fit to have an ex-Republican like Richard Painter go after Trump, McConnell and the rest of the fucking crooks!

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Dizzy  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:36:20am

re: #5 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Yes, the ancient and revered ceremonial ‘opening of the laptop’ for Elijah.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:36:31am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:36:57am

re: #3 Dizzy

Zoom powered Passover Seder ready to go!

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I’m just in no mood to Zoom tonight. I’m going to just do the Seder alone and meditate while I have my meal.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:36:57am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:37:11am

re: #11 Dizzy

Yes, the ancient and revered ceremonial ‘opening of the laptop’ for Elijah.

Actually not that far fetched. I hear Moses was pretty good with Tablets…

/

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:37:52am

re: #14 Dread Pirate

AMERICA FIRST!….And fuck all the rest of you.

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Thanos  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:37:56am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

It’s the fox party line, last night they did their “Mission Accomplished” dance across all three prime time slots

mediamatters.org

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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:38:05am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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I obviously missed where this brain trust showed off their medical doctorates from an accredited university.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:38:40am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:39:15am

re: #17 Thanos

This is so fucking reckless. It’s like telling people the hurricane has passed because the eye is overhead and everything is calm.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:39:29am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:39:53am

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

Actually not that far fetched. I hear Moses was pretty good with Tablets…

/

But even he had issues with dropping them and cracking the screen.

15…10 Commandments

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stpaulbear  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:40:39am

Jennifer Rubin does not like Bernie. WaPo.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:40:40am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

There’s a few hospitals in NYC they should visit and spread their message, without masks.

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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:41:03am

re: #21 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Yeah, I take back what I said about Bernie, he’s still being an egotistical jackass.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:42:33am

re: #21 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It will still be a blow to his campaign and fundraising. Most will move on to getting ready for the general election or to local candidates.

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Dizzy  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:42:37am

re: #13 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m just in no mood to Zoom tonight. I’m going to just do the Seder alone and meditate while I have my meal.

Joe, what I can do is reflect on the journey of my ancestors from bondage in Egypt, through the plagues (how appropriate) and into freedom, which eventually we hope to achieve in several ways.

I wish you joyousness for the holiday and the hopefulness for things to come. Please be healthy in mind and in body, and recognize when to heed help.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:43:14am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Quarantining people inside of their houses for extended periods will make people sick!

i’d want this explained
in detail
with footnotes

and fyi - my house has windows. and is reasonably clean. and we’re still allowed ‘outside’.

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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:43:39am

re: #26 Belafon

It will still be a blow to his campaign and fundraising. Most will move on to getting ready for the general election or to local candidates.

So long as he’s still on the ballots, he’s still a viable candidate. Which means he could still potentially pull together enough delegates to lead to a brokered convention.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:44:26am

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

Actually not that far fetched. I hear Moses was pretty good with Tablets…

/

+1
then get out ———->
;-)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:46:05am

You have millions of radical Xtians who are deluded enough to believe that the end times are at hand. They really believe that JC is going to switch on the Holy Hoover Vacuum Cleaner and they’ll be sucked into Hay-Venn any day now. And they’ll continue to kiss Trump’s ass no matter what because their Pulpit Pimp Preachers say Trump is Gawd’s Anointed King!

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:46:25am

CL’d on the last thread

Shorter post-mortem on Bernie Sanders: “Don’t get high on your own supply”

After Sanders won big in Nevada he had a golden opportunity to show he could unite the party and take on Trump. But he didn’t budge an inch from his insurgent, doctrinaire democratic socialist stance. When asked about his past comments praising communist dictators, he couldn’t even bring himself to denounce them without caveat and, in the process, demonstrate that he cared more about winning than in freebasing 100 percent pure, uncut Bern.

And if his win in Nevada didn’t convince him to reach out across the party, then neither did his trouncing in South Carolina. On the night that his campaign received one of the biggest rebukes a Democratic frontrunner had been given in a long time, Sanders had the opportunity to speak to the party and the country.

What did he do with that time? He spent umpteen minutes giving pretty much the same stemwinder as always—with a special focus on how he would increase voter turnout in the general election.

There were two problems with this. The first is that it wasn’t what he needed to do in order to broaden his coalition. The second is that it wasn’t true. He hadn’t triggered massive turnout expansions in Iowa, New Hampshire, or South Carolina. In the face of actual election results that disproved their own BS, Bernie and team still believed it. And so the only electability argument he had to make rang hollow to the high information Democratic primary voters who were hopping from candidate to candidate looking for someone who could beat the despised Donald Trump.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:47:56am

re: #21 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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bernie: no one gives a fuck about the party platform
the amount of delegates you ‘assemble’ wont change your ‘influence’

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:48:43am

And the responses are as you’d expect. Twitter is a fucking toilet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:49:04am

re: #33 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

It also won’t change the fact that, again, Bernie is NOT A FUCKING DEMOCRAT!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:49:32am

re: #26 Belafon

It will still be a blow to his campaign and fundraising. Most will move on to getting ready for the general election or to local candidates.

I can see Bernie sweeping in to scream about delegates.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:49:51am

He’s such an asshole:

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:50:31am

re: #4 lawhawk

Trump’s already out there calling Biden a socialist, so there’s that.

Trump will continue ratfucking no matter what.
Trump and GOP will continue to try and suppress voter turnout - in primaries and general elections nationwide - with the complete and total support of the right wing extremists who make up the majority of the Court thanks to McConnell.

Simply beating Trump in November isn’t enough. We need to not only retake the Senate, but have to deal with the near-permanent damage Trump and McConnell have wrought. There are no easy answers here. We’re going to need time and votes in every fucking election to make sure that the GOP remain out of power.

What we have to do is pay as much attention to process as we do to “Who said what silly thing off the cuff YOWL REND GARMENTS OMG”

That is, to look at what wins elections, what gains power. Make sure voting is easy or at least easier. More ways for people to participate. Make sure that as many of our people can show up and as few of their do.

Logistics.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:50:39am

re: #37 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s such an asshole:

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first step:
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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:54:06am

In the interest of public safety, my suggestion would be for the remaining states to cancel their primaries.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:55:17am

re: #10 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not only do we need to hold the House and get the Senate. We have to kill the filibuster, personal holds, blue slips and 60 vote threshold in the Senate. Republicans have to be locked out of any possibility to block any action we take.

And Biden needs to appoint a Special Prosecutor to go after every last crooked Republican. It just might fit to have an ex-Republican like Richard Painter go after Trump, McConnell and the rest of the fucking crooks!

It’s not just the elected officials. It’s the entire scaffolding of extreme wealth and unlimited political spending that has hijacked every level of government.

Since Reagan in ‘80, there has been a systematic dismantling of gov’t where it is not perverted to funnel more money into the pockets of the already sickeningly wealthy. It’s going to take 40 years of trench warfare, to roll those decades of mistakes back.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:55:55am
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sagehen  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:56:08am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

This is so fucking reckless. It’s like telling people the hurricane has passed because the eye is overhead and everything is calm.

Or we don’t need the VRA anymore, because black and hispanic turnout is way up in states that had pre-clearance requirements.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:57:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:59:12am

re: #4 lawhawk

Trump will continue ratfucking no matter what.

that is not really ratfucking, that is just politics

ratfuckers are people who “supported” Bernie only as an indirect way of attacking Biden and the DNC

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:00:50am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

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When does he give his opinion on Bernie dropping out and how unfair the DNC was to him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:01:43am

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

Actually not that far fetched. I hear Moses was pretty good with Tablets…

/

Reminds me of the joke about Moses coming down from the mountain and announcing he has good news and bad news:

“Good news is that I got him down to only ten, bad news is that adultery is still on the list!”

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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:02:40am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:03:27am

Seriously he doesn’t have the crowd of adulteration so he whines to the media what’s chapping his ass. He really wanted to go up against Bernie so badly that it’s sad.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:08:40am

fwiw, i’ve been using the word ‘fuck’ a lot.

i usually dont.

(unless i’m yelling at tax software or a computer or a recalcitrant phone or app, which doesnt count because they deserve it)

I AM LIVID

there is no modulating it

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:11:22am
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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:12:34am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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So what you’re saying is all the panicky gibbering two weeks ago about how Donny’s numbers were on the rise and how we should all be very worried was premature?

Quelle surprise.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:12:38am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

The already small “Trump Bump” is rapidly dissipating.

it is all about controlling the narrative

and the narrative is now a matter of life and death

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:13:55am

Trump is going to throw a fit because he can’t run against Bernie.

And that’s just too fucking bad!

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:14:06am

re: #48 Targetpractice

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Same way they “call it” on election night way before all the votes are counted

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:15:07am

good fucking grief

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:15:56am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:20:02am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:21:23am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wish he could fucking come back and save us.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:21:59am

re: #58 Dave In Austin

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The difference between the tweet BWS posted by Obama and yours by Trump made me sad because presidential leadership matters so much. Trump has none of it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:22:06am

Also, think about how many sizable lawsuits Trumps reckless promoting of HQ is going to lead to?

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:22:38am

re: #17 Thanos

It’s the fox party line, last night they did their “Mission Accomplished” dance across all three prime time slots

mediamatters.org

As I said, it’s beginning. Pressure on the governors of states doing the responsible thing is going to be enormous over the next week or two.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:22:55am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now watch Trump double down with the Obama hate today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:24:16am
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:24:17am

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

I wish he could fucking come back and save us.

He tried saving us, by getting us ready to take care of each other, and people didn’t want that.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:24:35am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:25:51am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

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And didn’t someone report just recently that the production of HQC in India right now is rife with quality control issues?

So not only does the drug not really help with COVID-19, but if you use it you’re less likely to get it unadulterated and in the correct dosage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:26:06am

re: #63 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now watch Trump double down with the Obama hate today.

oh yeah…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:26:23am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wonder what Oz the Quack will do when he’s flooded with malpractice lawsuits?

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:27:07am

If Biden is good enough to get through Bernie’s ego to get him to announce suspending his campaign, I think Biden will do great at getting the country moving again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:27:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:29:15am
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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:30:21am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Here you go, Quack Oz.

The alliance — which is supported by the Lupus Foundation of America, Lupus Research Alliance and the American College of Rheumatology — has called on clinicians to report “all cases of COVID-19 in rheumatology patients, including those with mild or no symptoms.”

As of April 2, the group had information on 110 validated patients: 36% with rheumatoid arthritis, 17% with psoriatic arthritis and 17% with systemic lupus erythematosus, or lupus, an autoimmune disease.

“One frequently asked question: over 25% of patients who developed a COVID-19 were on HCQ at the time of diagnosis,” the group said in a tweet thread on April 2, referring to hydroxychloroquine.

“Based on early data currently available in our registry, we are not able to report any evidence of a protective effect from hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19,”

factcheck.org

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:30:54am

DeSantis has a briefing…and the boy just can’t help it…

rawstory.com

What? No sequined glove?????

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:32:05am

Donald Reality TV Show Today sneak peak.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:32:13am

re: #58 Dave In Austin

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From downstairs

he/they also think ‘flattening the curve’ means ‘it’s over, everything normal, back to work’

all it means is keeping the daily number of cases at manageable levels for medical providers

it’s still gonna keep spreading

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:32:16am

re: #67 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And didn’t someone report just recently that the production of HQC in India right now is rife with quality control issues?

So not only does the drug not really help with COVID-19, but if you use it you’re less likely to get it unadulterated and in the correct dosage.

Screwed that up—sorry—

bloomberg.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:32:20am

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Interesting. Arbitration is often a losing prospect for consumers because the Arbitrators find in favor of the companies 99% of the time (they are hired by the companies and have to protect their repeat business after all).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:33:27am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:33:47am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This whole thing is highly unethical

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:33:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:36:32am

re: #80 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

“The Kilmeade Hypothesis” sounds like an Idiocracy sequel

Hydroxychloroquine was Trump’s last weasel play to get out of the crisis and still be some kind of hero.

It failed. But they cannot let go of it until they have at least convinced the base that is the Leftist Deep State Elitist Scientist Intellectuals who are blocking it and concealing its usefulness because they would rather see people die just to make Trump look bad.

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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:38:01am

0.0

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:39:43am
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Dread Pirate  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:39:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:39:56am

from yesterday:

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:41:48am

re: #83 Teukka

0.0

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If no one else was running Bernie woulda won (probably)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:41:56am

re: #85 Dread Pirate

President Trump’s aides have begun intensive discussions on a plan to reopen the US economy as soon as the start of May, according to people familiar with the deliberations

“reopening” the economy does not mean that they will just be able to kick-start it and see it reset to pre-Covid levels.

People will still be avoiding crowded sports and concert venues, amusement parks, cineplexes, cruise lines, airports and airliners in large numbers.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:41:56am

re: #83 Teukka

DT has a death wish. All I can say is that DT you can have Bernie with all of the trimmings.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:42:00am

Fuck

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:42:39am

re: #83 Teukka

0.0

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Yes Bernie supporters come to me, guy who called your candidate crazy over the guy who was very gracious to Bernie in victory. Biden is doing all the right things to get into GE mode. He was on Cuomo last night. He has an empathy and reassuring optimism that I think can defeat Trump. Trump is no longer the empty slate running against Clinton. He’s got over 10,000 dead Americans on his hands because he ignored a pending pandemic and it’s going to be a bitch trying to change that narrative.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:43:35am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

from yesterday:

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If Pelosi is the best Speaker of my life. RBG is the best SCOTUS Justice.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:43:38am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

from yesterday:

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Rbg shoulda been cj

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:44:47am

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

Jeet:
1, Even I, a white male (who struggled from upper poverty class as a kid), knows that our government hasn’t worked for a lot of people ever.
2. I suspect a lot of the under 45-ers know that their schools, the highway system, fire departments, and a whole host of other things have worked.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:45:47am

JFC. They really are trying to kill us.

(Via NBC) WASHINGTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is considering changing its guidelines for self-isolation to make it easier for those who have been exposed to someone with the coronavirus to return to work if they are asymptomatic.

The public health agency, in conjunction with the White House coronavirus task force, is considering an announcement as soon as Wednesday, Vice President Mike Pence said.

Under the proposed guidance, people who are exposed to someone infected would be allowed back on the job if they are asymptomatic, test their temperature twice a day and wear a face mask, said a person familiar with the proposal under consideration. The person described the proposal on the condition of anonymity because the draft had not been finalized.

The new policy is aimed in particular at workers in critical jobs. But it also comes as the Trump administration is eyeing what it calls a “stabilization” in infection rates and looks toward rolling back some of the restrictive social distancing guidelines and restarting the nation’s stalled economy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:46:11am

anyone heard from GeneJockey (aka Blind Frog Belly White)?
he hasn’t logged in since March 31.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:46:35am

re: #93 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Rbg shoulda been cj

No way W was gonna promote her but she would have been a deserving first woman CJ. In fact, I’d say she’s probably one of the best legacies of the Clinton administration.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:47:15am

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

anyone heard from GeneJockey (aka Blind Frog Belly White)?
he hasn’t logged in since March 31.

Haven’t. Anyone in touch with him outside LGF?

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:47:54am

A prayer sent by a friend to use in tonight’s service:

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:50:20am

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC. They really are trying to kill us.

(Via NBC) WASHINGTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is considering changing its guidelines for self-isolation to make it easier for those who have been exposed to someone with the coronavirus to return to work if they are asymptomatic.

The public health agency, in conjunction with the White House coronavirus task force, is considering an announcement as soon as Wednesday, Vice President Mike Pence said.

Under the proposed guidance, people who are exposed to someone infected would be allowed back on the job if they are asymptomatic, test their temperature twice a day and wear a face mask, said a person familiar with the proposal under consideration. The person described the proposal on the condition of anonymity because the draft had not been finalized.

The new policy is aimed in particular at workers in critical jobs. But it also comes as the Trump administration is eyeing what it calls a “stabilization” in infection rates and looks toward rolling back some of the restrictive social distancing guidelines and restarting the nation’s stalled economy.

Since its gonna keep spreading!!!!!!!!

We cannot allow a measure of elevated daily deaths from covid-19 to become some accepted new normal

Stay the fuck home
Avoid people

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:51:11am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:51:16am

re: #97 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No way W was gonna promote her but she would have been a deserving first woman CJ. In fact, I’d say she’s probably one of the best legacies of the Clinton administration.

Oh I know
“Shoulda” with all that implies

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:53:03am
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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:53:04am

re: #3 Dizzy

Zoom powered Passover Seder ready to go!

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Passover table is set. We don’t do electronics though.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:53:21am

I really want this house.

I also really can’t afford it so there’s that too

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:53:23am

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:53:35am

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He still is the biggest baby on Twitter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:56:26am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:57:42am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:57:50am

re: #10 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not only do we need to hold the House and get the Senate. We have to kill the filibuster, personal holds, blue slips and 60 vote threshold in the Senate. Republicans have to be locked out of any possibility to block any action we take.

And Biden needs to appoint a Special Prosecutor to go after every last crooked Republican. It just might fit to have an ex-Republican like Richard Painter go after Trump, McConnell and the rest of the fucking crooks!

On my wish list: statehood for D.C. and P.R., and expanding the Supreme Court to make up for the two stolen seats. But I don’t expect the Democrats to abolish the filibuster, even if they do win control of the Senate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:58:37am

good luck with that

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:58:52am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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Twitter removed it!

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Kilroy was here  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:58:58am

Presidential approval ratings in time of existential crisis:
Truman (WW2):82%
Kennedy (Cuban missile crisis): 80%
LBJ (Kennedy assassination): 78%
Ford (Watergate): 71%
Carter (Gas crisis): 73%
George HW Bush (Desert Storm): 86%
George W. Bush (9/11): 88%
Trump (corona virus): 46%

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:00:17pm

Getting some hail with an afternoon thunderstorm.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:00:23pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

good luck with that

How does a university take out a warrant?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:00:58pm

trying to work up some sympathy here, but I know medical workers, grocery store clerks, etc

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:01:22pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

good luck with that

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Discovery will be a bitch. Hopefully Falwell bankrupts himself paying court fees. He’s worse than his father and his father was one of the worst people in American religion in the 20th century.

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ericblair  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:02:02pm

re: #33 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

SANDERS: “I will stay on the ballot in all remaining states and continue to gather delegates. While Vice President Biden will be the nominee, we must continue working to assemble as many delegates as possible… to exert significant influence over the party platform.”

I’ve seen some speculation by campaign pros that this was some sort of split-the-baby decision brought on by a completely divided staff. I’d assume the pros were telling him it’s time to fold the tent and the grifters and nutcases wanted to keep the party going.

If this means he’s not advertising or campaigning it’s just stupid. The non-crazy supporters are just going to think he dropped out and not bother voting for him, and he’ll get whomped worse in every upcoming state and look like a sad sack loser.

The Clinton campaign and the Democratic organizations bent over backwards after 2016 to include Sanders and let him influence matters; how’d that turn out? So why should we do this again? Just smile and let him know that Your Opinion Is Important To Us and treat it accordingly.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:02:45pm

re: #117 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Discovery will be a bitch. Hopefully Falwell bankrupts himself paying court fees. He’s worse than his father and his father was one of the worst people in American religion in the 20th century.

That’s why the university will sue them - not using Falwell’s money.

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stpaulbear  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:02:50pm

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hydroxychloroquine was Trump’s last weasel play to get out of the crisis and still be some kind of hero.

It failed. But they cannot let go of it until they have at least convinced the base that is the Leftist Deep State Elitist Scientist Intellectuals who are blocking it and concealing its usefulness because they would rather see people die just to make Trump look bad.

His buddies have also got a lot of money sunk into trying to corner the market on the drug. I hope they all lose their shirts. I wonder if those hoarded drugs will ever come back on the market for those who need them for their intended purposes?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:03:22pm

re: #119 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

That’s why the university will sue them - not using Falwell’s money.

True.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:03:46pm

re: #114 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Getting some hail with an afternoon thunderstorm.

just had a tornado warning for Rowan and Elliott counties.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:04:01pm

re: #120 stpaulbear

His buddies have also got a lot of money sunk into trying to corner the market on the drug. I hope they all lose their shirts. I wonder if those hoarded drugs will ever come back on the market for those who need them for their intended purposes?

I was thinking that as well, but also realized that if there are quality control issues as reported I’d not want that stuff on the market.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:04:56pm

re: #120 stpaulbear

I would love for them to lose everything they hold dear. DT is the worst president that we have ever had and I hope the only one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:05:47pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:06:25pm

re: #114 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Getting some hail with an afternoon thunderstorm.

Hail came with the thunderstorm early this morning (2:30am). My neighbor commented, when I talked to her this morning, that it was one of the few times she has head a thunderstorm actually “rolling in”. You could hear it as a dull rumble off to south for a while before it arrived.

Had another thunderstorm come through at 4am, then it was sunny the rest of the morning. Cloudy now, but quite warm (70 F).

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:07:40pm

re: #126 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

The 400 am one woke me up out of a fairly sound sleep. :(

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ericblair  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:08:33pm

re: #123 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I was thinking that as well, but also realized that if there are quality control issues as reported I’d not want that stuff on the market.

And how many of these fly-by-night profiteering scams are storing the pharmaceuticals properly?

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:09:21pm

re: #115 Belafon

How does a university take out a warrant?

friday night, for drinks?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:09:58pm

re: #128 ericblair

None of them. Proper storage cuts into profits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:10:34pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:12:08pm

re: #49 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Seriously he doesn’t have the crowd of adulteration so he whines to the media what’s chapping his ass. He really wanted to go up against Bernie so badly that it’s sad.

Silver lining of the pandemic is that it limits the ability of the Senate to conduct Burisma hearings.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:12:42pm

re: #132 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Silver lining of the pandemic is that it limits the ability of the Senate to conduct Burisma hearings.

Yep.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:13:03pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

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trying to work up some sympathy here, but I know medical workers, grocery store clerks, etc

stop thinking like a moronic politician

“Are we going to repeat that for the deputy undersecretary?”

dont say “I’m sorry. That is unfair.”

say “No.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:13:55pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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I think Biden could get as much as 53% of the popular vote, crushing Trump like a bug.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:15:18pm

re: #135 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think Biden could get as much as 53% of the popular vote, crushing Trump like a bug.

Isn’t something like 105% to - PI required for the Democrats to get a “landslide victory”?
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:16:02pm

re: #135 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think Biden could get as much as 53% of the popular vote, crushing Trump like a bug.

I can see Biden retaining a lot of the Obama states plus possibly adding Arizona, Texas, & Georgia into the fold on the EC map.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:16:54pm

re: #136 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Isn’t something like 105% to - PI required for the Democrats to get a “landslide victory”?
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Kilroy was here  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:17:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:17:36pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:18:43pm

MN Governor Walz just sent out a statement that the Stay At Home order will continue as-is until May 4. Bars, restaurants and non-essential businesses will remain closed.

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Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:20:09pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:20:33pm
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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:22:31pm

Hmmm… Interesting… In the ancient Chinese curse sense:

One needs to ask the question: “Is this mere incompetence, or is this failure intentional?

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:24:16pm

re: #144 Teukka

Hmmm… Interesting… In the ancient Chinese curse sense:

One needs to ask the question: “Is this mere incompetence, or is this failure intentional?

This is Hitler-in-the-bunker delusional.

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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:24:52pm

re: #145 Belafon

This is Hitler-in-the-bunker delusional.

Me or Kim Don Yuge?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:25:08pm

re: #144 Teukka

It sounds like intentional to me especially with DT at the helm.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:25:56pm

re: #144 Teukka

US intelligence officials were warning as far back as late November that the novel coronavirus was spreading through China’s Wuhan region and posing a threat to its people and daily life, according to ABC News

Is it not clear by now that he does not read any briefings, listen to his Presidential advisers or staff, and that his main source of information and “intelligence” is Fox News?

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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:26:01pm

re: #147 PhillyPretzel

It sounds like intentional to me especially with DT at the helm.

[tinfoil]A pandemic spreading in the country unhindered, could it be enough to cancel elections?[/tinfoil]

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:27:24pm

re: #144 Teukka

Ask the real boss, Putin.

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Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:29:29pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:29:35pm

re: #149 Teukka

[tinfoil]A pandemic spreading in the country unhindered, could it be enough to cancel elections?[/tinfoil]

I am convinced Trump might try to do this if the polls looked really bad for him come fall.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:29:36pm

re: #142 Chrysicat

Don’t know where you’re getting your info from, but it’s wrong. There’s no local TV for Pendleton. They get both Portland and the Tri-Cities Washington stations on cable.

The other local media markets in the state are Eugene, Bend and a cluster of small local stations serving Klamath Falls, Roseburg and Medford.

The extreme southern part of the state gets Eureka CA signals, and the eastern part of the state gets Boise on satellite or cable.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:29:50pm

re: #146 Teukka

Me or Kim Don Yuge?

Not you.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:29:52pm

re: #104 The Pie Overlord!

Passover table is set. We don’t do electronics though.

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You know I recognize that china!! Beautiful!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:29:53pm

Denver grandkid just Facetimed his remote schoolwork and the air-cushion vehicle (friction puck) he made from a balloon, bottle cap, and scrap cd-rom. He is going to hate it when the lockdown is lifted.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:29:58pm

re: #144 Teukka

Hmmm… Interesting… In the ancient Chinese curse sense:

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One needs to ask the question: “Is this mere incompetence, or is this failure intentional?

I dunno but you can definitely say through his constant shuffling and instability at key national security positions that Trump created a crisis. Moldy, the guy who fired Captain Crozier was both acting naval secretary and acting assistant naval secretary. Interestingly, three prominent leaders in the 20th century: Teddy/Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill held prominent roles in their nation’s naval departments in their early careers.

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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:31:18pm

re: #157 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I dunno but you can definitely say through his constant shuffling and instability at key national security positions that Trump created a crisis. Moldy, the guy who fired Captain Crozier was both acting naval secretary and acting assistant naval secretary. Interestingly, three prominent leaders in the 20th century: Teddy/Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill held prominent roles in their nation’s naval departments in their early careers.

History does not repeat, but it does rhyme”, eh?

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:31:20pm

re: #149 Teukka

[tinfoil]A pandemic spreading in the country unhindered, could it be enough to cancel elections?[/tinfoil]

And the SCOTUS just made sure of that.

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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:33:31pm

re: #159 Belafon

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And the SCOTUS just made sure of that.

Legally. But what if Trump and the GOP simply ignore the law?

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Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:33:32pm

re: #153 i(m)p(each)sos

Don’t know where you’re getting your info from, but it’s wrong. There’s no local TV for Pendleton. They get both Portland and the Tri-Cities Washington stations on cable.

The other local media markets in the state are Eugene, Bend and a cluster of small local stations serving Klamath Falls, Roseburg and Medford.

The extreme southern part of the state gets Eureka CA signals, and the eastern part of the state gets Boise on satellite or cable.

Less “wrong”, more “out of date”, more likely. Still, that’s too many markets to have to buy into for a first-in-country primary. OR being in the lead set is a painful cost of entry that might have kept out some of the folks who went to Iowa (admittedly, folks like Mayor Pete who went no further).

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:33:59pm

re: #139 Kilroy was here

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how hard is this?

anyone can get it - anywhere, anytime
anyone can survive it
anyone can die from it

anyone

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:34:19pm

re: #160 Teukka

Legally. But what if Trump and the GOP simply ignore the law?

Then he will regret alienating the DoD.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:34:24pm

re: #119 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

That’s why the university will sue them - not using Falwell’s money.

Well Jerry is still trying to build up his cash reserve after that $1.8 million he spent on his pool boy stud!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:35:26pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:35:39pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

Then he will regret alienating the DoD.

Shut them Down: Deep State traitors anyways…

They have been greatly emboldened and are also desperate.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:35:45pm
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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:36:08pm

Watch white-collar criming work.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:36:48pm

re: #168 jaunte

Watch white-collar criming work.

it is the only work that pays these days

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:37:00pm

re: #144 Teukka

Hmmm… Interesting… In the ancient Chinese curse sense:

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One needs to ask the question: “Is this mere incompetence, or is this failure intentional?

these people are too stupid to be ‘intentional’

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:37:32pm

re: #160 Teukka

Legally. But what if Trump and the GOP simply ignore the law?

Then California holds the election and determines the winner.

If the GOP ignores the law and no one forces them too, it doesn’t matter, period.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:37:49pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:39:08pm

re: #149 Teukka

[tinfoil]A pandemic spreading in the country unhindered, could it be enough to cancel elections?[/tinfoil]

nope
never gonna happen

they may be screwed up like Wisconsin.

they will go on.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:39:08pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

Where was that place in Wisconsin that always kept turning up “missing” ballots late that would give Walker the win?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:40:00pm
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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:40:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:42:07pm
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i(m)p(each)sos  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:42:36pm

re: #161 Chrysicat

Less “wrong”, more “out of date”, more likely.

No, there have never been local affiliates in Pendleton or vicinity.

Still, that’s too many markets to have to buy into for a first-in-country primary. OR being in the lead set is a painful cost of entry that might have kept out some of the folks who went to Iowa (admittedly, folks like Mayor Pete who went no further).

Oregon is a cheaper media buy than Iowa.

You get about 75% of the state by buying Portland. The other markets are tiny and incredibly cheap to buy airtime in.

Compare that to Iowa, where Des Moines is cheaper to buy than PDX, but only gets you about 40% of households. You also need to buy Cedar Rapids and the Quad Cities, both of which are much bigger and pricier than the other small Oregon markets. And Sioux City, which doesn’t cost much.

But you also MUST buy the fairly large Omaha market if you want Council Bluffs and western Iowa viewers. And you need to buy two more small markets to get the rest of the state - you need the Rochester/Austin MN stations to get into Mason City, and you need the Kirksville MO station to hit Ottumwa.

Iowa is MUCH more complex and expensive for a complete media buy than Oregon would be.

(Want simple and easy? You want Maine. Portland, Bangor and the one station up in Presque Isle and you’re done.)

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:43:05pm

Meanwhile a Trump supporting doctor is still running chloroquine tests without informed consent on elderly nursing home residents in Texas.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:43:17pm

re: #176 jaunte

That is one tweet that should be constantly repeated especially to those who think it has to work because DT said it would.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:43:24pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s always what’s bothered me about a lot in Sanders orbit. They have an active hostility towards democracy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:43:39pm
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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:43:53pm

re: #170 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

these people are too stupid to be ‘intentional’

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:44:15pm

re: #160 Teukka

Legally. But what if Trump and the GOP simply ignore the law?

from electoral-vote.com a few days ago

Can Trump Postpone the election, Part II

here’s part I

state legislatures
congress
governors
state courts
scotus
‘the military’
‘the doj’
and on and on

And so, that leaves us where we started: It’s just not doable.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:45:19pm

re: #167 jaunte

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give back the gains too, right?

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:46:03pm

re: #185 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Now it’s a negotiation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:46:18pm

re: #167 jaunte

Martha Stewart would like a word…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:46:19pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wish him nothing but the worst.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:49:14pm

re: #179 jaunte

Meanwhile a Trump supporting doctor is still running chloroquine tests without informed consent on elderly nursing home residents in Texas.

that’s not how any of this works

take his(?) effing license.
now

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:50:08pm

re: #167 jaunte

Did I see she’s not doing to well in her special election chances?

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:50:30pm

re: #189 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

that’s not how any of this works

take his(?) effing license.
now

Abbott supports it.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:51:19pm

re: #191 Belafon

Abbott supports it.

he’s not a doctor either

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:52:19pm

Texas City nursing home residents with coronavirus being treated with unproven hydroxychloroquine drug
texastribune.org

Everyone involved has GOP political connections.

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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:52:46pm

re: #176 jaunte

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And from memory, I seem to recall that it has only been promising to mild to moderate cases of CoViD-19, not the really bad cases. And as you see, too many side effects to ethically be able to go on.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:52:58pm

re: #185 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

give back the gains too, right?

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LOL RIGHT

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:53:25pm

re: #193 jaunte

Darn. There are going to be a lot of deaths and possibly lawsuits.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:54:11pm

re: #196 PhillyPretzel

It’s not clear from the article, but I get the impression that these are not wealthy elderly people.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:54:45pm

re: #193 jaunte

Texas City nursing home residents with coronavirus being treated with unproven hydroxychloroquine drug
texastribune.org

Everyone involved has GOP political connections.

but none are medical testing/trials researchers

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:55:45pm

Families of residents were not notified before the drugs were administered.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:57:36pm

re: #199 jaunte

Families of residents were not notified before the drugs were administered.

this is criminal, ghoulish and….creepy

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:58:07pm

“…The Trump administration’s enthusiasm for the drug is based on anecdotal studies conducted on a relative handful of patients, said Dr. Allen Zagoren, a surgeon and professor of public administration at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa.

“When you have a disease that’s affecting a million people, you need to have bigger numbers to project because that could be coincidental — the disease is very unpredictable,” Zagoren said.

“You need to have a big study to predict. When you start throwing stuff at the wall to see what will stick, that’s garbled information — it’s garbage in, garbage out.”

Then there’s the issue of side effects, Zagoren noted: the drug carries a host of potential issues, particularly for people with pre-existing conditions, compromised immune systems, cardiopulmonary problems — the very people who are most likely to be vulnerable to the severe effects of COVID-19 in the first place.

Hydroxychloroquine is also often administered with an antibacterial known as azithromycin that carries a heightened risk of death in patients with a pre-existing heart condition.

“If I was asked to review a case for a lawyer or the board of medicine that a physician decided to give a drug to the patient that had no proven efficacy off-label and the patient died, that’s negligence,” Zagoren said.

“Write the cheque, because you can’t defend that.”
nationalobserver.com

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 12:58:26pm

re: #199 jaunte

Exactly. And in every state there are lawyers who will do pro bono work. Does anything else have to be said?

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:00:14pm

“…[Dr.] Armstrong, who serves on the advisory board of the Black Voices for Trump coalition, is one of Texas’ two Republican National Committee members.”
news4sanantonio.com

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:00:24pm

re: #200 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

this is criminal, ghoulish and….creepy

And down here in south Texas, it was reported as if what the doctor did was totally normal. It wasn’t even criticized.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:01:29pm

re: #202 PhillyPretzel

Exactly. And in every state there are lawyers who will do pro bono work. Does anything else have to be said?

the paperworks’ probably already written
sadly, waiting for a name to fill in

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:01:45pm

re: #179 jaunte

Meanwhile a Trump supporting doctor is still running chloroquine tests without informed consent on elderly nursing home residents in Texas.

How Fascist

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:02:09pm

re: #204 Ace Rothstein

And down here in south Texas, it was reported as if what the doctor did was totally normal. It wasn’t even criticized.

good thing texas doesnt write those rules (for now)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:02:13pm
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Ace Rothstein  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:02:47pm

“Hey, there’s only a 10% chance you’ll die if I pump this shit into your bloodstream!”

Uh, no.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:02:50pm

re: #206 Omar Comin’ Yo

I would bet the doctor is vehemently opposed to Nanny State Overreach.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:03:30pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

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you know rush, even if that were all true
the virus dont care

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:03:56pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I hope his final days are painful and lonely.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:04:19pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:04:27pm

re: #210 jaunte

I would bet the doctor is vehemently opposed to Nanny State Overreach.

certainly ‘nursing home regulations’ that dont allow him to do whatever he wants

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:05:40pm

re: #212 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

His wife (fourth one) allegedly has been fucking around on him for years. Which means it’s 100% true. Good.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:07:07pm

“Thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich!”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:07:34pm

re: #215 Ace Rothstein

His wife (fourth one) allegedly has been fucking around on him for years. Which means it’s 100% true. Good.

Good. I hope she gets his fortune and puts a lot of it in things he would hate.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:08:51pm

re: #217 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

After he takes his dirt nap, I hope she marries a black woman a week later.

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sagehen  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:09:10pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

If Pelosi is the best Speaker of my life. RBG is the best SCOTUS Justice.

THE FUTURE IS FEMALE

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:10:49pm

re: #144 Teukka

Hmmm… Interesting… In the ancient Chinese curse sense:

One needs to ask the question: “Is this mere incompetence, or is this failure intentional?

I tend towards the “Never attribute to malice what can adequately explained by incompetence” but in the case of Trump being Putin’s Puppet and Moscow’s BMitch in the Senate, I really do wonder.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:11:52pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:12:07pm

re: #219 sagehen

Yes it is. If DT and his followers do not like it they can fold in into five corners and put it where the sun does not shine. (Thanks to Designing Women)

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:12:19pm

re: #216 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

[Embedded content]

“Thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich!”

even bernie knows he cant
learn the rules

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Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:13:06pm

re: #151 Chrysicat

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Oh, Lord, I must be sleepy or something, I’m missing the full impact of my own statements. That also makes Hillary’s defeat back into a fully-bad thing because any President other than Trump—even Pence or Cruz, but especially a Dem— would be paying attention to the Daily Briefing, and thus be aware two and a half months before Beijing is willing to admit it that the coronavirus in question has evolved human-to-human transmission.

And that means the pandemic may have been able to be headed off (though at a cost to US-China relations that would make them as frosty as US-Russia relations would already have been under Hillary), and in turn that would mean that I can no longer comfort myself telling her she’d have been doomed to a single term, which also means a possibility her successor wouldn’t have been the final President elected by the Fifty States.

How is it that every last bit of news makes this timeline worse than it had been?

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:13:08pm

re: #218 Ace Rothstein

After he takes his dirt nap, I hope she marries a black woman a week later.

well played

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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:13:10pm

re: #220 William Lewis

I tend towards the “Never attribute to malice what can adequately explained by incompetence” but in the case of Trump being Putin’s Puppet and Moscow’s BMitch in the Senate, I really do wonder.

I’m aware of Hanlon’s Razor, but there are edge cases, e.g. where people are so exceedingly stupid that they will try to intentionally to cause shit…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:14:02pm

Sure Bernie could run third party and then he could immediately lose his committee seats.

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Interesting Times  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:15:46pm

re: #226 Teukka

I’m aware of Hanlon’s Razor, but there are edge cases, e.g. where people are so exceedingly stupid that they will try to intentionally to cause shit…

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:16:36pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

So he’s suspending his campaign…but he’s also asking his supporters to continue to show up at the remaining primaries to give him enough delegates to use as leverage at the convention.

In what universe does that make any sense?

In a universe where American political parties actually have some power? Like, the platform is fun for insiders and whatnot, but most people don’t care. And members of Congress typically have enough independence from the party leadership to vote their conscious/needs of their district even when something is in the party platform and it comes up for a vote.

There’s an irony in a self-proclaimed independent trying to build a movement outside the party structure also trying to reshape a party he is not a part of.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:16:53pm

re: #212 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I hope his final days are long, painful and lonely and not doing his show.

FTFY

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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:17:53pm

re: #228 Interesting Times

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Is it at this juncture in the thread I’m expected to whip out the Q.E.D.? 🤔

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:17:55pm

re: #227 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Sure Bernie could run third party and then he could immediately lose his committee seats.

sore loser laws say no

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:18:05pm

re: #230 Eric The Fruit Bat

FTFY

Well said. Fuck Rush.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:18:45pm

re: #232 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

sore loser laws say no

I know. I’m saying even if he could, he would completely castrate himself politically.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:19:53pm

re: #228 Interesting Times

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you want to hold trump to something he said in 2014?

hell they cant hold him to something he said ‘16 minutes ago in this press conference’

he just spews
there’s no consistency or intent behind it
just whatever sticks

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:20:12pm

re: #217 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Good. I hope she gets his fortune and puts a lot of it in things he would hate.

So he’s really a cu**, isn’t he?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:20:36pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:20:48pm

re: #234 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I know. I’m saying even if he could, he would completely castrate himself politically.

oh ok then ;-)

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:21:06pm

re: #224 Chrysicat

Oh, Lord, I must be sleepy or something, I’m missing the full impact of my own statements. That also makes Hillary’s defeat back into a fully-bad thing because any President other than Trump—even Pence or Cruz, but especially a Dem— would be paying attention to the Daily Briefing, and thus be aware two and a half months before Beijing is willing to admit it that the coronavirus in question has evolved human-to-human transmission.

And that means the pandemic may have been able to be headed off (though at a cost to US-China relations that would make them as frosty as US-Russia relations would already have been under Hillary), and in turn that would mean that I can no longer comfort myself telling her she’d have been doomed to a single term, which also means a possibility her successor wouldn’t have been the final President elected by the Fifty States.

How is it that every last bit of news makes this timeline worse than it had been?

Not only that, but any other president would have fully staffed the government, including the CDC and State Department… which means we wouldn’t have lost a shit ton of institutional knowledge and expertise.

And it is entirely possible that any other president wouldn’t have been engaged in a three year long pissing match with China, meaning the ability to work with them on the pandemic early might have actually been there and still led to a better outcome, without necessarily destroying the relationship between the US and China.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:21:12pm

re: #236 Sherlock Hound

So he’s really a cu**, isn’t he?

Probably. Fucking Rush is like fucking Jabba the Hutt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:22:03pm
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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:22:32pm

re: #232 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

sore loser laws say no

I thought those just prevented someone running as an independent? Like if the Green Party were to nominate him, wouldn’t he still be able to get on the ballot where they have access?

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:23:24pm

The Bob Cesca Show Interview: Michael McDermott 4/8/20

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:23:48pm

re: #242 KGxvi

I thought those just prevented someone running as an independent? Like if the Green Party were to nominate him, wouldn’t he still be able to get on the ballot where they have access?

from ballotopedia:

Some states bar candidates who sought, but failed, to secure the nomination of a political party from running as independents or as nominees for another party in the general election.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:25:35pm

re: #226 Teukka

I’m aware of Hanlon’s Razor, but there are edge cases, e.g. where people are so exceedingly stupid that they will try to intentionally to cause shit…

Psychopaths have a constant need for stimulation, which chaos amply provides.

It really is that simple.

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:26:31pm

re: #244 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Interesting. Figures it varies by state. Didn’t Gary Johnson briefly run as a Republican in 2012? I’m guessing he got around those provisions by dropping out of the GOP race before the primaries?

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sagehen  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:27:33pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:27:57pm

re: #246 KGxvi

Interesting. Figures it varies by state. Didn’t Gary Johnson briefly run as a Republican in 2012? I’m guessing he got around those provisions by dropping out of the GOP race before the primaries?

If he did, it was well before any primary.

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:28:37pm

Also, one last random thought before I get too far down this particular rabbit hole… I wonder if there’s a distinction made for party nominations where the primaries are not binding? IE - the Libertarian Party has primaries but the delegates at the convention are free to nominate and vote for whomever they want.

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Interesting Times  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:28:38pm

re: #235 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

you want to hold trump to something he said in 2014?

She makes a broader point, though:

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:30:21pm

Here’s the thing, if Trump has proven one thing beyond all doubt it’s that he’s unmanageable. He’s a fucking warp spawned chaos troll.

So the idea that Putin is actually managing him flows from where exactly?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:32:21pm
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Interesting Times  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:32:27pm

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

So the idea that Putin is actually managing him flows from where exactly?

“If trump were an agent of Putin with specific instructions to slowly destroy America, what would he be doing any differently?”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:32:39pm

A Message From HIAS for Passover

hias.org

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sagehen  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:32:52pm

re: #250 Interesting Times

She makes a broader point, though:

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and half a trillion dollars, with no oversight, buys a LOT at the prices things will sink too.

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:33:38pm

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the thing, if Trump has proven one thing beyond all doubt it’s that he’s unmanageable. He’s a fucking warp spawned chaos troll.

So the idea that Putin is actually managing him flows from where exactly?

Couple of theories that I’ve heard:

1. Russian oligarchs buy/rent property in Trump properties, and Putin can pull the string on that cash flow
2. Trump wants/ed a property in Moscow and does what Putin wants to get it
3. Trump projects have been used as money laundering operations for Russian assets

Entirely all speculation, and I’ve not actually seen any proof (beyond Cohen’s testimony regarding #2), but within the realm of possibility.

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Interesting Times  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:34:00pm

“Open America by Easter,” they said. “The economy will BOOM!” they said…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:34:36pm

NOBODY is going to forget this anytime soon you orange shitstain.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:34:56pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:36:02pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:36:15pm

Washington Post News Alert—Linda Tripp died…

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:36:37pm

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

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NOBODY is going to forget this anytime soon you orange shitstain.

Nor should we… otherwise we will be piss poorly prepared for the next pandemic (there is always a next pandemic). Granted we should have been better prepared for this one, but this orange idiot is “in charge” so we are fucked…

Snatch

Proper fucked, Tommy.

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:38:15pm

re: #210 jaunte

Meanwhile his fascist little shop of unproven experiments will kill a few.
But the cause of death will be..,,
Yep.
Can Rush Limbaugh possibly drown in his own fluids on air?
Please?

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:38:28pm

Nicer weather today…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:38:44pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Monica Lewinsky is a genuinely decent person.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:38:45pm

re: #250 Interesting Times

She makes a broader point, though:

It’s malice, and we’re both saved and hurt by his incompetence. We’re saved because he can’t implement the kind of administration that could truly take away everything, and were hurt because that same incompetence prevents him from implementing a plan that would minimize the number of deaths in this crisis.

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danarchy  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:39:49pm

So this may not be a popular opinion here, but everybody reflexively trying to shit on hydroxychloroquine kind of bothers me. The science isn’t in, studies are in process. Doctors all over the world were already using hydroxychloroquine to treat covid before Trump ever mentioned it because it is cheap, has known antiviral properties and also has immuno suppressive properties that reduces inflamation which is why it is used to treat RA and why it could potentially help reduce inflammation in the lungs.

As for it being unproven, well covid-19 is novel, there are no proven treatments. Anything any doctor prescribes is unproven. There are doctors trying all sorts of antivirals because when you have someone in front of you going south fast you do what you can.

Trump is an idiot for putting so much emphasis on HCQ but how about letting the studies finish before making the same mistake in the other direction.

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gwangung  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:41:31pm

re: #267 danarchy

Trump is an idiot for putting so much emphasis on HCQ but how about letting the studies finish before making the same mistake in the other direction.

Well, a couple of them have ALREADY been halted for inefficacy and for deleterious side effects, so there’s that…

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:41:32pm

Because we all need a laugh:

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:41:38pm

re: #256 KGxvi

Couple of theories that I’ve heard:

1. Russian oligarchs buy/rent property in Trump properties, and Putin can pull the string on that cash flow
2. Trump wants/ed a property in Moscow and does what Putin wants to get it
3. Trump projects have been used as money laundering operations for Russian assets

Entirely all speculation, and I’ve not actually seen any proof (beyond Cohen’s testimony regarding #2), but within the realm of possibility.

and all of that still takes
- a willing and complicit senate
and
- a press who forgot where they filed their job description

and yes, the media has to sell advertising
but that’s not their job. want proof? stop writing and/or providing ‘content’ and see what happens. — they all turn into ‘pennysaver’ rags
no. the press has a job. advertising subsidizes it.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:43:40pm

re: #257 Interesting Times

“Open America by Easter,” they said. “The economy will BOOM!” they said…

[Embedded content]

roughly 22k new cases today in the US
1600 deaths

we cannot EVER just ‘reopen and go back to work’ and allow this become some sort of new normal

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SpikeDad  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:45:14pm

>However, note that Bernie is not endorsing Joe Biden, he’s remaining on ballots, and he still wants his followers to vote for him so he can collect delegates and influence the Democratic Party platform.

And that’s why he’s a selfish jerk in it only for himself. Considering the crisis that Trump has caused Sanders should have said in the same breath “I’m dropping out and vote for Biden because he’s the only chance we have to defeat trump”.

Nope. He wants to keep getting that sweet sweet political money as well as groveling from the Democratic Party so he can feel important.

Hey Bernie - GO AWAY. Hey Bernie Bros - the country is in your hands. Don’t vote for Biden and you’ve doomed us.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:45:26pm

re: #267 danarchy

So this may not be a popular opinion here, but everybody reflexively trying to shit on hydroxychloroquine kind of bothers me. The science isn’t in, studies are in process. Doctors all over the world were already using hydroxychloroquine to treat covid before Trump ever mentioned it because it is cheap, has known antiviral properties and also has immuno suppressive properties that reduces inflamation which is why it is used to treat RA and why it could potentially help reduce inflammation in the lungs.

As for it being unproven, well covid-19 is novel, there are no proven treatments. Anything any doctor prescribes is unproven. There are doctors trying all sorts of antivirals because when you have someone in front of you going south fast you do what you can.

Trump is an idiot for putting so much emphasis on HCQ but how about letting the studies finish before making the same mistake in the other direction.

We are going after the people who are using it to distract from their failures, making people think it’s a wonder drug, causing people harm by hoarding it, trying to make money off of it, without any proof that it does anything. It is perfectly fine for us to go after them.

As for the drug itself, though, it has a number of possible side effects, which is why the French and Swedes have stopped testing. I also make fun of the drugs on TV that talk about how they can help you, but one possible side effect is death.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:46:05pm

re: #271 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

roughly 22k new cases today in the US
1600 deaths

we cannot EVER just ‘reopen and go back to work’ and allow this become some sort of new normal

He thinks that after a series of events that has and continues to kill more Americans than Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we’ll just act like nothing happened and go back to normal and give him four more years. The only four more years is plus life on his sentence if fortune is kind.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:46:17pm

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

[Embedded content]

NOBODY is going to forget this anytime soon you orange shitstain.

or who caused it.
yes frame it that way.
he caused it to be what it is.
and what’s happening here is impacting the rest of the world - with resources and quackery at least

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:48:17pm
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plansbandc  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:49:19pm

How many people are going to die because these fucking people won’t close churches?

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:50:40pm

re: #277 plansbandc

How many people are going to die because these fucking people won’t close churches?

If I don’t get it, God has protected me; if I do, he has called me to join Him. /

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:50:44pm

re: #267 danarchy

So this may not be a popular opinion here, but everybody reflexively trying to shit on hydroxychloroquine kind of bothers me. The science isn’t in, studies are in process. Doctors all over the world were already using hydroxychloroquine to treat covid before Trump ever mentioned it because it is cheap, has known antiviral properties and also has immuno suppressive properties that reduces inflamation which is why it is used to treat RA and why it could potentially help reduce inflammation in the lungs.

As for it being unproven, well covid-19 is novel, there are no proven treatments. Anything any doctor prescribes is unproven. There are doctors trying all sorts of antivirals because when you have someone in front of you going south fast you do what you can.

Trump is an idiot for putting so much emphasis on HCQ but how about letting the studies finish before making the same mistake in the other direction
.

while you are right in general, many of ‘these doctors’ are not testing in ethical, informed, clinically controlled trials for peer review, publication and independent replication.

they’re experimenting on uninformed patients and likely persuading them (if at all) in highly dubious ways

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:50:58pm

re: #277 plansbandc

How many people are going to die because these fucking people won’t close churches?

We’ll find out…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:51:25pm
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makeitstop  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:52:14pm

re: #267 danarchy

So this may not be a popular opinion here, but everybody reflexively trying to shit on hydroxychloroquine kind of bothers me. The science isn’t in, studies are in process. Doctors all over the world were already using hydroxychloroquine to treat covid before Trump ever mentioned it because it is cheap, has known antiviral properties and also has immuno suppressive properties that reduces inflamation which is why it is used to treat RA and why it could potentially help reduce inflammation in the lungs.

As for it being unproven, well covid-19 is novel, there are no proven treatments. Anything any doctor prescribes is unproven. There are doctors trying all sorts of antivirals because when you have someone in front of you going south fast you do what you can.

Trump is an idiot for putting so much emphasis on HCQ but how about letting the studies finish before making the same mistake in the other direction.

If it were going through testing - true, controlled testing - I’d be all for it. But it’s not.

You’ve got assholes like Hannity shilling for it on the daily on Fox. You’ve got the goddamn federal government ordering up 29 million doses.

They’re putting the cart a few blocks ahead of the horse on this, and why? So one of Trump’s donors, maybe Trump himself, can pocket a couple million while people drop dead.

Fuck. That.

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Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:53:04pm

re: #232 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

sore loser laws say no

Sore loser laws seem to not exist for Presidential electors in most states (since both they’re theoretically being the ones truly elected, and even more-liberal SCsOTUS have held that when it comes to Federal office, the States aren’t permitted to make a single law altering the Constitution’s requirements whether it adds to or subtracts from them, and the best case is that Congress can change them via statute, the medium case is that only an amendment can alter them, and the worst case is that not even an amendment could alter them and you would need to abrogate the whole Constituition and technically create a new country on this one’s turf in order to do anything about it, just like the “equal representation” clause for the Senate.)

I wish I was wrong, but I looked it up because I had been confident about that, but I found credible evidence elsewhere when it looked like Tulski was the sore loser we had to worry about that we were out of exactly no woods that way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:53:53pm

re: #278 Barefoot Grin

If I don’t get it, God has protected me; if I do, he has called me to join Him. /

I heard exactly THAT explanation at the Dollar General on Monday.
The elderly woman kept moving a scarf away from her face as she talked (and I kept backing further away than the six-foot marker on the floor).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:54:09pm

This Sunday is Easter. Except a lot of churches to be flouting orders and holding gatherings.

Jesus said very clear things about people who do things like this…and they weren’t nice things.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:54:38pm

re: #278 Barefoot Grin

If I don’t get it, God has protected me; if I do, he has called me to join Him. /

i’d be fine with that. personal responsibility and all

what if you pass it on to some other unwilling innocent?

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Mattand  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:54:49pm

re: #279 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

while you are right in general, many of ‘these doctors’ are not testing in ethical, informed, clinically controlled trials for peer review, publication and independent replication.

they’re experimenting on uninformed patients and likely persuading them (if at all) in highly dubious ways

Pretty much this. I’ll go full Barney Gumble, aka “JUST HOOK IT TO MY VEINS!” if the stuff is proven to work. The big problem is you have the ostensible leader of the free world trying to wish its efficacy into existence by simply bullying everyone to believe his bullshit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:55:27pm

re: #286 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

i’d be fine with that. personal responsibility and all

what if you pass it on to some other unwilling innocent?

Calvinists would say that the unwilling innocents were “predestined” to die.

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plansbandc  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:55:53pm

re: #278 Barefoot Grin

I don’t give a damn about the people who are stupid enough to go. I give a damn about the virus being needlessly spread so countless others are put at risk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:56:08pm

re: #282 makeitstop

If it were going through testing - true, controlled testing - I’d be all for it. But it’s not.

You’ve got assholes like Hannity shilling for it on the daily on Fox. You’ve got the goddamn federal government ordering up 29 million doses.

They’re putting the cart a few blocks ahead of the horse on this, and why? So one of Trump’s donors, maybe Trump himself, can pocket a couple million while people drop dead.

Fuck. That.

and people with lupus and RA who DO need the drug, can’t get it because of the hoarding.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:56:55pm

re: #282 makeitstop

If it were going through testing - true, controlled testing - I’d be all for it. But it’s not.

You’ve got assholes like Hannity shilling for it on the daily on Fox. You’ve got the goddamn federal government ordering up 29 million doses.
.
They’re putting the cart a few blocks ahead of the horse on this, and why?
So one of Trump’s donors, maybe Trump himself, can pocket a couple million while people drop dead.

Fuck. That.

the money’s made whether they ever actually deploy it or it sits in a warehouse and goes bad

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:57:50pm
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Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:59:02pm

re: #282 makeitstop

If it were going through testing - true, controlled testing - I’d be all for it. But it’s not.

You’ve got assholes like Hannity shilling for it on the daily on Fox. You’ve got the goddamn federal government ordering up 29 million doses.

They’re putting the cart a few blocks ahead of the horse on this, and why? So one of Trump’s donors, maybe Trump himself, can pocket a couple million while people drop dead.

Fuck. That.

The big problem with double-blind testing on a disease this fatal is that you have to at least be planning to actively condemn the control group to death—and not a slow one like the chronic diseases that typically are what have to have double-blind, placebo-based [most acute diseases these days can at least be treated ‘less effectively’ with an alternative existing drug that serves as the control group], trials conducted on them, but 3 weeks at most from onset to cremation.

Unfortunately I see no scientifically-valid way around that problem, but it’s still even more evil than the base disease is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:59:33pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 1:59:50pm

re: #283 Chrysicat

Sore loser laws seem to not exist for Presidential electors in most states (since both they’re theoretically being the ones truly elected, and even more-liberal SCsOTUS have held that when it comes to Federal office, the States aren’t permitted to make a single law altering the Constitution’s requirements whether it adds to or subtracts from them, and the best case is that Congress can change them via statute, the medium case is that only an amendment can alter them, and the worst case is that not even an amendment could alter them and you would need to abrogate the whole Constituition and technically create a new country on this one’s turf in order to do anything about it, just like the “equal representation” clause for the Senate.

I wish I was wrong, but I looked it up because I had been confident about that, but I found credible evidence elsewhere when it looked like Tulski was the sore loser we had to worry about that we were out of exactly no woods that way.

as a practical matter (and yes, im guessing) someone would have to fight this out state by state and with enough time to get on each actual ballot

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:00:24pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Scooby Doo with a chance of Orwellian since he’s going to complain about how unfair the Dems were to Bernie while ignoring his own party made primarying him all but impossible.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:01:16pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

anyone heard from GeneJockey (aka Blind Frog Belly White)?
he hasn’t logged in since March 31.

I’m friends with him on Strava and his most recent activity there was Sunday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:02:07pm

re: #297 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m friends with him on Strava and his most recent activity there was Sunday.

thanks!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:02:35pm
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sagehen  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:02:51pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So he refused the D gov, but acquiesced once it was the R senator making the ask?

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:02:53pm

re: #287 Mattand

Pretty much this. I’ll go full Barney Gumble, aka “JUST HOOK IT TO MY VEINS!” if the stuff is proven to work. The big problem is you have the ostensible leader of the free world trying to wish its efficacy into existence by simply bullying everyone to believe his bullshit.

we’re long past the “dr erlich’s magic bullet” method of researching microorganisms

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:04:13pm

re: #300 sagehen

So he refused the D gov, but acquiesced once it was the R senator making the ask?

Bingo.

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Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:04:37pm

re: #300 sagehen

So he refused the D gov, but acquiesced once it was the R senator making the ask?

Yes. I even bitched about it on Twitter much earlier today—to the point where I’d have to “load additional” 20 times on my tweets-and-responses TL to pull up its link so I could post it here.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:05:19pm

re: #288 Joe Bacon 🌹

Calvinists would say that the unwilling innocents were “predestined” to die.

i’ve always been partial to hobbes

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:05:27pm

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, Dennis. Please don’t go the way of Randy.

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:06:37pm

re: #300 sagehen

So he refused the D gov, but acquiesced once it was the R senator making the ask?

Of course. For Trump, all Democrats are enemies, while Republicans can be useful.

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LadyBehir  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:06:50pm

re: #267 danarchy

YES!! One question I have about it, it’s a sulfate drug, yes? How does that affect people who are allergic to sulfa drugs?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:07:44pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:08:52pm

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

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involved? not even as much as a chicken to breakfast
(it’s the pig that’s committed)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:08:57pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:09:37pm

re: #253 Interesting Times

“If trump were an agent of Putin with specific instructions to slowly destroy America, what would he be doing any differently?”

My point is more that Trump himself is the poison, and poisoners don’t actually tell the poison how to do its job. They just inject it into the victim and watch as the toxicity destroy systems. Trump can’t be controlled or directed, only unleashed.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:10:21pm

re: #273 Belafon

We are going after the people who are using it to distract from their failures, making people think it’s a wonder drug, causing people harm by hoarding it, trying to make money off of it, without any proof that it does anything. It is perfectly fine for us to go after them.

As for the drug itself, though, it has a number of possible side effects, which is why the French and Swedes have stopped testing. I also make fun of the drugs on TV that talk about how they can help you, but one possible side effect is death.

And the studies they’d done when trump started hawking it showed virtually no efficacy. I looked. Not one study since has shown anything remotely promising.

I’m not shitting on the drug. I’m shitting on trump for hawking something completely unproven and less than promising.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:10:50pm

Damn

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:11:22pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:12:20pm

re: #313 goddamnedfrank

Now that’s a truth bomb right there.

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:12:57pm

Illinois Coronavirus Stats
Wednesday 4/8 75,066 (6,334 new), 15,078 positive (1,619 new), 462 deaths (82 new) EEK!
My neighboring county to the northeast holding steady at 8 and 1. My county and the county to the east and south have no reported cases.

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Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:13:54pm

I know, at this point as likely a Russian bot (or a Russian Communist, as I still suspect Putin’s fine with that in name as long as he’s more equal than everyone. And if heaven forbid he is an actual American red-rose, he’s still one after my attempt. But I’m hoping maybe some of his followers saw it and took my point).

Also, I’m beginning to despise Zoomers/Doomers with a passion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:14:28pm
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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:14:30pm
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Teukka  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:14:39pm

re: #267 danarchy

So this may not be a popular opinion here, but everybody reflexively trying to shit on hydroxychloroquine kind of bothers me. The science isn’t in, studies are in process. Doctors all over the world were already using hydroxychloroquine to treat covid before Trump ever mentioned it because it is cheap, has known antiviral properties and also has immuno suppressive properties that reduces inflamation which is why it is used to treat RA and why it could potentially help reduce inflammation in the lungs.

As for it being unproven, well covid-19 is novel, there are no proven treatments. Anything any doctor prescribes is unproven. There are doctors trying all sorts of antivirals because when you have someone in front of you going south fast you do what you can.

Trump is an idiot for putting so much emphasis on HCQ but how about letting the studies finish before making the same mistake in the other direction.

The problem I have with Hydrochloroquine is the potential for side effects, the questionable (to say the least) testing Didier Raoult has done with it and which some use as the basis to hype it, and Didier Raoults history of not exactly adhering to the scientific method in research he oversees (like, the guy got banned from a major publication for a year for cheating). I don’t shit on HCQ because Donnie hypes it, I shit on it because what is used to hype it isn’t up to snuff, and it is a potentially dangerous drug, which can kill. As can not adhering to the scientific method in medical sciences.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:15:02pm

Afternoon Lizardim from the cool and clear wild north country. We have 89 new cases out of 1165 new tests, up to 1154 and 30,753; 5 new deaths, up to 39. Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has extended our stay-at-home order to May 4; he is discussing changes to slowly and safely introduce aspects of “life as normal” so as to try to relieve the extreme stress on us. 78% of Minnesotans work in essential companies, so this is understandable. He stated that Minnesota is showing clear signs of “flattening the curve”, sustaining a doubling rate of 8 days for the last 3 weeks, but stressed that this is a long fight and we can’t relax our guard. He has been in active talks with religious leaders about how to safely hold some holiday services (which I mentioned here, concerning my church, we are implementing), and is urging people to stay away from family gatherings, despite the traditions associated with Easter. It’s clear that he is doing his utmost to take good care of us and is listening to people with good data and sound science, and I couldn’t be more proud. How go things among the lizardfolk on this spring-like afternoon?

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A Mom Anon  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:16:20pm

re: #307 LadyBehir

That would be me. So it’s either death by disease or by cure. Lovely.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:17:34pm
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Mattand  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:17:43pm

So, I was talking with a conservative acquaintance last night and we discussed Trump’s response to the pandemic. They’re in Washington state, within driving distance of Seattle, aka Ground Zero.

This person is a former law enforcement officer, and overall a good person. I’ve only known three LEOs fairly well in life. This person is literally the first I’ve known who wasn’t an open racist, and actually condemns racism.

At some point in the conversation, they identified as conservative, with a particular fear and disgust of socialism (more on that in a bit.) I did not hold back on my absolute anger towards Trump; the scramble in NJ for refrigerator trucks to warehouse bodies had been upsetting me all day and it finally got the better of me.

I vented about how Cheetolini completely fucked everything up; about how this is the second time in nine years that Republicans have essentially told NJ to fuck off and die (the first being the heel dragging over Hurricane Sandy relief); and my general anger with Magic Balance Fairy worship in the US.

It was fascinating. At no point did this person try to defend the bastard, but they kept circling back to two points:

• The states need to do more to help
• “Everyone” is to blame for dropping the ball

Pointing out shit like “What’s the point of FEMA if they’re going to refuse to help” and “He literally knew about it in January and did nothing”, while not dismissed outright, was countered with the same tired “We all need to pitch in” and “It’s not just Trump who knew and didn’t act.”

Nothing got heated or shouty or anything, but goddamn; anyone expecting conservatives to do the right thing in November are deluding themselves. This person just was not having blaming Trump for, for lack of a better term, more than his “fair share”.

This monster’s negligence is literally going to kill tens of thousands of Americans and, my acquaintance did not even come close to “Yeah, he’s the goddamn leader. The buck stop with him.” It’s like a circuit breaker goes off in their heads and prevents them from being openly honest about how fucked up Trump and the party is.

Others here have pointed out signs that Trump will go down in November. I’m going to try to do my part and hope they’re right. But, goddamn; the man is the walking antithesis of everything that the GOP has claimed to stand for in my lifetime, and they.

Just.

Will.

Not.

Admit it.

About that socialism thing: this person started lamenting how awful the US health care system can be. I pointed out that the problem is they have to keep the shareholders happy, hoping that my subtle hint that a for-profit healthcare system has proven to be an utter failure.

Don’t think it registered at all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:19:02pm

I’ve been writing poems almost daily to keep myself sane during this. Here’s today’s piece:

Frozen in time

These are strange days
as the world stands still.
And we watch from our perch
in the grass on the hill.

The streets sit nearly empty,
the car horns are gone.
Sidewalks stand barren,
no rush hour throng.

The schools, all closed up,
Football fields sit quiet.
Empty seats at the beer hall.
Local theaters stay silent.

Movie cameras aren’t rolling.
Concert grounds sit unused.
Everyone’s staying home,
a bit scared and confused.

So here I am all alone,
keeping distance from friends.
Wondering exactly
When this madness will end.

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Dizzy  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:20:48pm

re: #104 The Pie Overlord!

Passover table is set. We don’t do electronics though.

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Stunning! I think my grandparents had the same silverware.

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Chag sameach. Next year in Jerusalem.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:22:10pm

re: #104 The Pie Overlord!

What a lovely place setting! Very pretty.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:23:42pm

re: #316 retired cynic

Illinois Coronavirus Stats
Wednesday 4/8 75,066 (6,334 new), 15,078 positive (1,619 new), 462 deaths (82 new) EEK!
My neighboring county to the northeast holding steady at 8 and 1. My county and the county to the east and south have no reported cases.

13 in my zip code
442 in the next one over - no idea why

63 in my town
62 in the next one over - where we do most of our shopping

seems to be holding steady over the last few days

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LadyBehir  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:23:59pm

re: #322 A Mom Anon

Both my parents were allergic. Have no idea if I am or not.

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:24:44pm

re: #324 Mattand

Republicans vote the way they do because the GOP appeals to their irrational resentments. Since this is not a rational position, it is impossible to reason them out of supporting Trump/GOP.

The path to a D victory in 2020 does not rely on converting even a single Republican. It relies on turning out the D base (and, unfortunately, on the mushy middle in the purple states).

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:27:01pm

re: #317 Chrysicat

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I know, at this point as likely a Russian bot (or a Russian Communist, as I still suspect Putin’s fine with that in name as long as he’s more equal than everyone. And if heaven forbid he is an actual American red-rose, he’s still one after my attempt. But I’m hoping maybe some of his followers saw it and took my point).

Also, I’m beginning to despise Zoomers/Doomers with a passion.

once i saw “both are the abyss” im done

crackpot - shoo
not a word more

a person who thinks like that is not persuadable nor an honest broker
if it’s not a person…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:27:09pm

Today’s update sees 95 new cases - I shudder to think what we would be at locally without three weeks of social distancing at this point - and 3 new deaths.

Twitter has completely exhausted my patience for political takes today because I follow a reasonable number of younger, liberal folks (mostly for not-political reasons) and the amount of bullshit I’m seeing is a lot.

I’m so tired of rage being the main way we have to interact with everything political.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:28:21pm

re: #330 EPR-radar

Republicans vote the way they do because the GOP appeals to their irrational resentments. Since this is not a rational position, it is impossible to reason them out of supporting Trump/GOP.

The path to a D victory in 2020 does not rely on converting even a single Republican. It relies on turning out the D base (and, unfortunately, on the mushy middle in the purple states).

Trump will get about 46% of the vote, as before. If the anti-Trump vote doesn’t splinter more than normal, Trump loses.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:28:56pm

On the other hand, this made me laugh.

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Citizen K  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:30:30pm

re: #220 William Lewis

I tend towards the “Never attribute to malice what can adequately explained by incompetence” but in the case of Trump being Putin’s Puppet and Moscow’s BMitch in the Senate, I really do wonder.

re: #226 Teukka

I’m aware of Hanlon’s Razor, but there are edge cases, e.g. where people are so exceedingly stupid that they will try to intentionally to cause shit…

At some point, I end up leaning more toward a variation on Clarke’s law: “At a certain point, the results of sufficient incompetence are virtually indistinguishable from malice”. In other words, once enough harm is done, it doesn’t matter if something is done out of genuine incompetence or ignorance, or is actively malicious, it should be TREATED as actively malicious because of just how negative and harmful the results are.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:31:08pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

The coronavirus is not Donald Trump’s fault, but the slow and chaotic response to it is. He’s the commander in chief — it’s time he steps up, takes responsibility, and does his job.

i know joe’s gotta be ‘diplomatic’
but NO. that time has long since passed

fuck that bold part
we. know. him.
he is a part of the problem and NEVER will be a part of the solution
it’s time he gets the fuck out of the way.

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:31:43pm

re: #333 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump will get about 46% of the vote, as before. If the anti-Trump vote doesn’t splinter more than normal, Trump loses.

46% is his ceiling, assuming standard or high turnout. Low turnout is anybody’s guess.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:31:49pm

FiveThirtyEight also seems to be indicating that the Chaos Goblin’s approval ratings are starting to return to his pre-coronavirus norms, giving credence to the “rally around the flag” effect (and the fact that the Chaos Goblin is such an odious douchecanoe that he didn’t even break even even with it).

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:32:12pm

re: #307 LadyBehir

YES!! One question I have about it, it’s a sulfate drug, yes? How does that affect people who are allergic to sulfa drugs?

Phosphate anion, not sulfate.

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LadyBehir  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:33:49pm

re: #339 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The one article said tablets of hydroxychloroquine sulfate were being delivered to that home in TX where they are experimenting on the elderly. Now I am even more confused.

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Mattand  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:33:50pm

re: #330 EPR-radar

Republicans vote the way they do because the GOP appeals to their irrational resentments. Since this is not a rational position, it is impossible to reason them out of supporting Trump/GOP.

The path to a D victory in 2020 does not rely on converting even a single Republican. It relies on turning out the D base (and, unfortunately, on the mushy middle in the purple states).

I know all about mushy purple states. My fellow “liberal” Jerseyites made Christie governor twice. I see that worked out well.

And apologies to Philly Pretzel and other PA residents, but I was so infuriated with the way Pennsylvania voted. I went hard after a FB acquaintance who was openly unapologetic about not casting a vote for POTUS because Magic Balance Fairy and she wasn’t going to compromise her “principles” (the woman is dumb as a fucking rock).

The mushy purple middle is what keeps me up at night, regarding November.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:36:01pm

re: #337 KGxvi

46% is his ceiling, assuming standard or high turnout. Low turnout is anybody’s guess.

Most will crawl over broken glass to vote against Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:36:02pm

re: #336 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

i know joe’s gotta be ‘diplomatic’
but NO. that time has long since passed

fuck that bold part
we. know. him.
he is a part of the problem and NEVER will be a part of the solution
it’s time he gets the fuck out of the way.

he’s just poking him a stick…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:36:28pm

re: #340 LadyBehir

The one article said tablets of hydroxychloroquine sulfate were being delivered to that home in TX where they are experimenting on the elderly. Now I am even more confused.

From medlineplus.gov

Why is this medication prescribed?
Chloroquine phosphate is in a class of drugs called antimalarials and amebicides. It is used to prevent and treat malaria. It is also used to treat amebiasis.

This medication is sometimes prescribed for other uses; ask your doctor or pharmacist for more information

.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:36:34pm

re: #342 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Most will crawl over broken glass to vote against Trump.

*raises hand*

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:36:36pm

re: #341 Mattand

You are not the only one. I was pissed then and still am today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:37:43pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:38:14pm

re: #344 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are different drugs. It is a sulfate anion for the hydroxychloroquine form.

Both are under investigation for use against the virus; neither appears to be a miracle cure.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:38:23pm

re: #344 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The usable form of hydroxy chloroquine is the sulfate.

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:38:24pm

re: #341 Mattand


The mushy purple middle is what keeps me up at night, regarding November.

Same here. These people are fundamentally idiots and cannot be appealed to in any rational manner, yet some fraction of their votes are needed.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:38:45pm

re: #324 Mattand



• The states need to do more to help
• “Everyone” is to blame for dropping the ball

if ‘states need to do more’ was the goal, they should have been informed in no uncertain terms two to three years ago that they would be on their own if something like this were to happen.

everyone is NOT to blame. states dont liaise with nih, who, the UN, foreign countries, the military, on and on or get that kind of regular global intelligence.

a 50 state response (+ the fed, + territories) to a pandemic is asinine. individual states dont have the clout or the coordination. look how the states cant even agree on consistent messaging about what’s important and what’s not.

no. this is bullshit deflective excuse making as in “i dont take responsibility at all”

sorry
I
AM
LIVID

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:38:54pm

re: #330 EPR-radar

Republicans vote the way they do because the GOP appeals to their irrational resentments. Since this is not a rational position, it is impossible to reason them out of supporting Trump/GOP.

The path to a D victory in 2020 does not rely on converting even a single Republican. It relies on turning out the D base (and, unfortunately, on the mushy middle in the purple states).

I think there’s basically three kinds of Republican voters left:

1. The greedy. They vote on lowering their marginal tax rates and always oppose raising them. No other issue matters to them.
2. The Christianist reactionaries. They vote in opposition to pretty much anything modern.
3. The white nationalists. They may not know they’re white nationalists, but they are definitely racist and want to “close the country” and kick out anyone that doesn’t look or speak like them.

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makeitstop  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:38:57pm

re: #319 retired cynic

Just for fun: Here’s a Man Spitting Dr. Seuss Tongue-Twisters over a Dr. Dre Beat (Fox in Sox), on digg.com

Watched all three of them. Hilarious, thanks!

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:39:56pm

re: #330 EPR-radar

Republicans vote the way they do because the GOP appeals to their irrational resentments. Since this is not a rational position, it is impossible to reason them out of supporting Trump/GOP.

The path to a D victory in 2020 does not rely on converting even a single Republican. It relies on turning out the D base (and, unfortunately, on the mushy middle in the purple states).

when enough D’s vote, D’s win
it cant be simpler

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:40:45pm

re: #333 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump will get about 46% of the vote, as before. If the anti-Trump vote doesn’t splinter more than normal, Trump loses.

^^^^

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:41:43pm

Ft. Campbell is in Christian County, on the border with Tennessee.

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:41:57pm

re: #352 KGxvi

I think there’s basically three kinds of Republican voters left:

1. The greedy. They vote on lowering their marginal tax rates and always oppose raising them. No other issue matters to them.
2. The Christianist reactionaries. They vote in opposition to pretty much anything modern.
3. The white nationalists. They may not know they’re white nationalists, but they are definitely racist and want to “close the country” and kick out anyone that doesn’t look or speak like them.

Resentment is a unifying principle for these three groups. E.g.,

For Group 1, they resent having to pay taxes at a level a modern state needs to function.

For Group 2, they resent the ongoing displacement of christian values as unwritten US law.

For Group 3, they resent all civil rights progress for women and minorities.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:43:32pm

re: #342 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Most will crawl over broken glass to vote against Trump.

i am nearly willing to crawl over a virus

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:44:27pm

re: #358 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

i am nearly willing to crawl over a virus

Thankfully, I don’t have to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:44:46pm
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SteelPH  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:45:00pm

re: #341 Mattand

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:45:01pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s just poking him a stick…

yeah i know
i have to vent
once i type stuff it leaves my brain and i can be calm again
been doing it for years - i just write stuff down
dont even have to save it or ever refer to it again
just to process it seems to work somehow

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:45:06pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:45:29pm
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:45:55pm

re: #358 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

i am nearly willing to crawl over a virus

I will, because no matter what, my kids will have to live after me.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:46:25pm

re: #350 EPR-radar

Same here. These people are fundamentally idiots and cannot be appealed to in any rational manner, yet some fraction of their votes are needed.

maybe offer them candy?

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Mike Lamb  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:46:55pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Haven’t Repubs in Wisconsin received significantly less votes overall than Democrats in state elections for like a decade plus now, and that gerrymandering is the only reason they retain majorities in the state legislature?

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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:47:02pm

I hereby nominate this dude for Father of the Year.

Gotta love the music too, it’s like being in the Swiss Alps.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:49:02pm

Up to 17 churches may be planning Easter services in Kentucky.

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:49:23pm

re: #364 Charles Johnson

I’d like to see the WHO starting putting out appropriate press releases. E.g., a few weeks from now:

“Social distancing and widespread testing have significantly alleviated the covid19 pandemic in most nations. A regrettable exception is the United States, where a singularly corrupt and incompetent US president is fucking up the response worse than nearly anywhere else in the world.”

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Dave In Austin  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:50:42pm

It’s Howdy Fucking Duty Time!!!!!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:52:49pm

re: #371 Dave In Austin

It’s Howdy Fucking Duty Time!!!!!

Will not be watching.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:53:13pm

re: #371 Dave In Austin

Done with that rally

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:53:42pm

re: #373 Dave In Austin

Done with that rally

Free fucking campaign time all over again.

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Citizen K  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:54:05pm

re: #324 Mattand

I’ve said it before, but when the Republic dies, the epitaph on its grave will be “Both Sides, Same Thing”

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:55:20pm

re: #361 SteelPH

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:56:26pm

re: #365 Belafon

I will, because no matter what, my kids will have to live after me.

i am kidless
and not selfish

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:57:42pm
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b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)  Apr 8, 2020 • 2:58:44pm

re: #372 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Will not be watching.

My local news cuts away for that daily, uninformative, tantrum and rant. I’ll keep honing my knowledge of ancient aliens until he stops them.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:00:14pm

LOUISIANA PASTOR
If Parishioners Die After Contracting COVID-19 …
IT’S A SACRIFICE FOR GOD AND FREEDOM!!!

“If they die … they die.”

Yes, a now-infamous Louisiana pastor got all “Rocky IV” on us … saying, if any of his church members die from the virus, they’ll have done so in the name of God and freedom.

Tony Spell, leader of Life Tabernacle Church in Baton Rouge, tells TMZ … he thinks true Christians do not mind dying from COVID-19. He insists that what they fear instead is living in fear. As he puts it, “People that can prefer tyranny over freedom do not deserve freedom.”

He’s also not flinching at medical experts suggesting most of the nation will eventually contract the virus, even if only mildly. Spell’s reaction is, “Let’s get on with life.”

Human sacrifice eh? So, if that’s how he wants it, he should volunteer to be first:

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:01:35pm

re: #379 b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)

Watching what? DT so-called press conference? I am in the middle of Pride and Prejudice. DT will have to wait. Jane Austen is far better.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:01:44pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:03:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:04:00pm
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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:11:05pm

re: #378 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

Warren and Sanders would have their replacements in the Senate chosen by Republicans, which means the Dems could lose a potential Senate majority. Harris is one of my Senators and I’d prefer she stay in the Senate (unless she’s going to be appointed to the Supreme Court).

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i(m)p(each)sos  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:15:51pm

re: #385 KGxvi

Warren and Sanders would have their replacements in the Senate chosen by Republicans, which means the Dems could lose a potential Senate majority. Harris is one of my Senators and I’d prefer she stay in the Senate (unless she’s going to be appointed to the Supreme Court).

And it’s kinda Bernie’s own damn fault. The shitty game he plays every 6 yeara with the Vermont Democratic Party, where he gets their nomination and then turns it down to run as an independent, has to be a drag on the party’s overall strength statewide and one reason there’s a Republican governor.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:18:58pm

OT, but any Lizards have an Android smartphone with an SD card and want to test something for me?

I’ve had an app user who wanted my app moved to the SD card on their phone and I’m happy to try and help with that but I don’t have an SD card on my phone to tell if it worked. And bless her, she is 70 and not the most technically savvy, so I am in this strange spot of having an e-mail that seems to indicate that it doesn’t work but I’m not 100% sure and I have no way to test.

…and honestly, if it didn’t work, I have no idea what to do next, but I’ll cross that bridge when I get there.

Anyway, if there is someone who wants to help, download StashCache on the Google Play Store for me and once it’s installed, see if you can move it to the SD card according to this process and let me know? Thanks in advance.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:26:15pm

re: #387 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Worked fine on my Galaxy S7!

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:28:15pm

re: #386 i(m)p(each)sos

And it’s kinda Bernie’s own damn fault. The shitty game he plays every 6 yeara with the Vermont Democratic Party, where he gets their nomination and then turns it down to run as an independent, has to be a drag on the party’s overall strength statewide and one reason there’s a Republican governor.

Scott was Lt Gov to the previous governor (Shumlin who is a Democrat - independent elections). Bright side is, the term is only two years, so Scott will be on the ballot in November. The current Lt Gov (a member of the Vermont Progressive Party) is running against him.

I don’t know enough about Vermont politics to have any idea what any of it means.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:28:31pm

re: #388 i(m)p(each)sos

Thank you! Likely I just misinterpreted her e-mail today then and she’ll write me back that she was able to move it. I hope I hope I hope. (Lovely lady, has been very patient as I’ve worked through several issues, and I thought this was going to be a simple one line change - which it was - so I wasn’t sure what to do this morning with the e-mail.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:31:00pm

Sharing what joy we can. I love her story threads.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:31:37pm

re: #386 i(m)p(each)sos

Meanwhile, the Law of Unintended Consequences applies to a Massachusetts Senate vacancy, should Warren create one.

When Ted Kennedy was dying, he pushed state lawmakers to change a 2004 law that required a special election for a vacancy. It was passed back then to keep Mitt Romney from filling a vacancy. But in 2009, Kennedy wanted Deval Patrick to be able to appoint a replacement right away if a 60th vote for healthcare reform was needed.

Made sense then - but of course now it’s a Republican governor in the state house again.

(How weird is it that every single person I’ve mentioned here except Charlie Baker has been a presidential candidate?)

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:35:47pm

re: #317 Chrysicat

While he’s talking about the abyss, the abyss talked to HIM and said, “You OK? I’m the Abyss and I’M creeped out!”

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:39:16pm

re: #391 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Sharing what joy we can. I love her story threads.

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is this getting back at the dogs for novelty fake dog poop?

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:40:45pm
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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:43:50pm

re: #307 LadyBehir

YES!! One question I have about it, it’s a sulfate drug, yes? How does that affect people who are allergic to sulfa drugs?

Oh, good question! I am allergic to sulfa, and I hadn’t even thought of that.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:44:52pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:47:52pm

No Not Guilty (Much)

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:48:43pm

re: #397 Dave In Austin

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does no one have the balls to say ‘tell us’?
and then after he says no say “grow up , this isnt a game”

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:52:55pm

re: #399 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

I could never be in the White House press corps, because no matter which party was in charge, I’d get caught on a mic in the press pool saying “bullllllshhhiiiiiiittttt” way too often.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:53:23pm

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

This Sunday is Easter. Except a lot of churches to be flouting orders and holding gatherings.

Jesus said very clear things about people who do things like this…and they weren’t nice things.

Americans have pea brains. All they remember is the yam saying what a great day to get back together.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:53:35pm

re: #400 KGxvi

Same here.

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plansbandc  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:54:39pm

A friend just announced that she won’t be voting because the candidates are the same.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:55:28pm

re: #403 plansbandc

What does that even mean??

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plansbandc  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:55:33pm

re: #396 retired cynic

I’m allergic to sulfa drugs also. Ah well, if I get sick they won’t treat me anyway.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:55:50pm

re: #297 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m friends with him on Strava and his most recent activity there was Sunday.

Thank you. Let him know we’re asking.

(Klys for #2!!)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:56:22pm

Trump is not a doctor, but he plays one in the White House.

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plansbandc  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:56:43pm

re: #404 Dave In Austin

Same agenda. Would both do the same thing. It’s pointless to even vote.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:56:56pm

re: #400 KGxvi

I could never be in the White House press corps, because no matter which party was in charge, I’d get caught on a mic in the press pool saying “bullllllshhhiiiiiiittttt” way too often.

I couldn’t do it because:

A. I’d get arrested
B. My shoes cost way too much to just throw like that

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 3:57:05pm
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Citizen K  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:00:03pm

re: #403 plansbandc

A friend just announced that she won’t be voting because the candidates are the same.

“Both Sides Same Thing” is a goddamn disease.

And thank you so much, all you squishes and cosplay socialists, for promoting that goddamn idea.

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b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:01:54pm

re: #410 Charles Johnson

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I imagine Pence reading Penthouse Letters but that’s just me……

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:02:16pm

re: #412 b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)

I imagine Pence reading Penthouse Letters but that’s just me……

Anton LaVey.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:02:45pm

re: #358 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

I will die to vote for Joe Biden if I have to.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:02:45pm

This is currently the top story on the website of our local ABC affiliate.

If you are interested in reading the article, it’s here.

No, I don’t endorse or support any of this.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:03:43pm

re: #414 Ace Rothstein

I will die to vote for Joe Biden if I have to.

That’s good, because if you (we) don’t, we ALL die.

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:04:11pm

re: #411 Citizen K

“Both Sides Same Thing” is a goddamn disease.

And thank you so much, all you squishes and cosplay socialists, for promoting that goddamn idea.

The irony is that Sanders and Trump are much closer to being the same thing than Biden and Trump.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:06:02pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:07:09pm

re: #404 Dave In Austin

What does that even mean??

that’s the point
they cant explain it in any way that makes rational sense

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:07:55pm

Well, this strikes me as a Not Good Economic Sign:

Cargo numbers were down significantly in March at both the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach as the ongoing coronavirus pandemic impacts all sectors of the economy.

There was a 30.9% decrease in cargo moves at Los Angeles compared to March 2019, the port said on Wednesday, April 8. Long Beach cargo was down 6.4 %, according to data it released Tuesday.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:08:13pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:08:23pm

re: #418 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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White Privilege: Letting You Say “It’s Not My Problem” Since The Dawn of Civilization

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Mattand  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:15:29pm

re: #418 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

BarkFishy had already incurred my wrath by ellipses as periods. The MBF garbage was broken glass icing on the shit cake.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:16:38pm

re: #417 KGxvi

The irony is that Sanders and Trump are much closer to being the same thing than Biden and Trump.

Very much so.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:17:50pm

re: #418 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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They can do that and then they can fuck off if they think they’re going to get the keys to the party.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:18:05pm

re: #403 plansbandc

A friend just announced that she won’t be voting because the candidates are the same.

Tell her that you get first dibs on her stuff after the next round of Trump’s apocalypse.

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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:18:45pm

When I was Barky’s age, a lot of my generation declared that it didn’t matter if Dubya got a second term, that Kerry was “just as bad” and it wasn’t like things could get that bad in 4 years.

5 years later, UE had peaked at levels not seen since the 80s, jobs were as scarce as hen’s teeth, and a lot of those “both sides are bad” assholes were flipping burgers while bitching about student loan payments.

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:20:24pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:20:56pm

I’m not surprised by this story. I’ve witnessed people driving like complete dicks because the highways are so empty.

There have been 24 fatal crashes in Minnesota from March 16, when Walz’s initial imposition on commerce took effect, through Tuesday, according to the state Office of Traffic Safety.

For the same time period last year, the fatal crash total was 12, while that number was 13 in 2018 and 16 in 2017.

State Patrol Lt. Gordon Shank said last week that troopers were noticing a surge in motorists going too fast all around the state as highways are seeing far less traffic than before Walz’s order.

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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:21:40pm

Owners of the ski areas in my valley are…not good owners.

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plansbandc  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:24:56pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:25:05pm
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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:27:28pm

re: #431 teleskiguy

I suspect that one of the things we are going to learn from this incident is that most businesses run similar to most people living paycheck to paycheck… call it running billing cycle to billing cycle. There just aren’t many businesses, it seems, with deep cash reserves that would allow them to operate if revenue dried up for even a month.

For the record, I think it’s pretty fucked up that they didn’t have the decency to notify their employees that their insurance was being dropped. But I’m not surprised that a lot of businesses aren’t going to be able to pay employees if they are completely shut down.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:30:31pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:32:44pm

re: #434 KGxvi

I suspect that one of the things we are going to learn from this incident is that most businesses run similar to most people living paycheck to paycheck… call it running billing cycle to billing cycle. There just aren’t many businesses, it seems, with deep cash reserves that would allow them to operate if revenue dried up for even a month.

For the record, I think it’s pretty fucked up that they didn’t have the decency to notify their employees that their insurance was being dropped. But I’m not surprised that a lot of businesses aren’t going to be able to pay employees if they are completely shut down.

To be blunt, large sectors of the economy really will die if there is no revenue for months.

That’s no justification for Trump’s nonsense about opening things back up, of course, but it is a fact of life.

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fern01  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:33:48pm

re: #300 sagehen

So he refused the D gov, but acquiesced once it was the R senator making the ask?

It’s all about campaigning & who gets the reward

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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:34:00pm

re: #434 KGxvi

Vail Resorts had $2.2 billion in annual revenue with over $300 million in profits last year, for a company with 15,000 employees. FTR

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:36:11pm

It is sunset in Philly so I would like to wish a very Happy Passover to all of my fellow Lizards who celebrate the holiday. May we all celebrate next year in Jerusalem. :)

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:41:13pm

While we’re busy dealing with a pandemic, Trump and his minions continue to develop their own SS.

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:43:24pm

I’m signing off for 2 days Passover & Shabbat. See you on the other side of Saturday! Happy Passover to everyone!

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:43:57pm

Talk about non-essential travel:

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:44:10pm

re: #441 The Pie Overlord!

And a very happy Passover to you and your family.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:44:23pm

FYI, I am about to push the button on a PPP SBA loan with the help of my local bank.

Our little S Corp has 1.25 FTE employees (relatives) and getting 2.5 months of their payroll costs will be a BIG help in getting a little disc golf pro shop through this.

Thank goodness we also fully implemented a Shopify online store last winter!

Friends with a family business representing performing artists have already received a helpful $10k grant.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:44:56pm
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b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:45:37pm

re: #441 The Pie Overlord!

Happy Passover! Who ever heard of hiding out from a plague during Passover?!?!

Peace to you and yours.

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plansbandc  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:46:49pm

re: #441 The Pie Overlord!

Happy Passover!

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Jay C  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:52:15pm

So best Passover wishes to all Jewish (and non-Jewish: Passover is that way) Lizards: my suggestions prompted our observent cousin (-in-law) to arrange a Virtual Seder online (Zoom). Thankfully, I managed (via a prior Zoom setup) to get my camera working, so at least some of the family will be able to Seder it up, plagues notwithstanding. Which of course, is what Pesach should be about…

Though minus Mrs. Jay, who I was only able to retrieve from the hospital this afternoon (after 5 days “inside”) - at least we’ve both been tested and determined to be COVID-free. So “passed over” for the nonce.

Se y’all later.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 4:58:58pm
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DodgerFan1988  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:00:19pm

The Khmer Rouge thought old people were a drain on their country too and needed to go. Just sayin’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:01:20pm

she’s determined to burn every fucking bridge out there:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:03:08pm

re: #450 DodgerFan1988

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The Khmer Rouge thought old people were a drain on their country too and needed to go. Just sayin’.

As someone on his own last legs, personally and professionally, O’Reilly should listen to his own advice…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:05:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:07:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:10:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:11:45pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:13:06pm

I know several people here at LGF knew this person and of him. This article is from The Washington Post.
washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:13:52pm

gonna be a fun night…yay us!

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:15:36pm

re: #458 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Philly is going to get that stuff tomorrow. :(
forecast.weather.gov

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:15:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:17:13pm

re: #459 PhillyPretzel

And Philly is going to get that stuff tomorrow. :(

it’s like 70F here right now…we have frost in the forecast for Friday night/Saturday morning.

grrrrrrrrrrr

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Dread Pirate  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:58:33pm

re: #455 Backwoods_Sleuth

ever look at your dog and think about how weird it is that she doesn’t know how she got to your home or why she’s there or who you are but has decided to roll with it

I kinda felt the same way myself growing up, to be honest.


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