Nine Inch Nails - Ahead of Ourselves (Live) [VIDEO]

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The whole video seems to be one take with no cuts.

From the latest record, Bad Witch, and performed live during cold and black and infinite North America 2018.
Listen to ‘Bad Witch’: nin.lnk.to

Directed by Brook Linder
Engineered and mixed by Jamie Pollock

Cold and Black and Infinite North America 2018 on sale now: nin.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:20:16pm

since this is a music thread, reposting from downstairs for those who may have missed it:

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:24:01pm

And here I’ve been singing “one winged dove” all these years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:24:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:26:44pm
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BigPapa  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:28:08pm

NIN has been the soundtrack at points in my life and I’m delighted to see them keeping it fresh but aging gracefullly. This recording gets my feels every time.

Nine Inch Nails - Something I can never have (still)

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:28:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:30:23pm

thread

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:31:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:33:00pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:34:02pm
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BigPapa  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:34:25pm

Right wing bullshit posted as news: Victor Davis Hanson, Standford, and ‘scientific studies’ on herd immunity. Posted by godsister from Central CA on FB.
New study investigates California’s possible herd immunity to COVID-19

The news station is owned by Hearst, not necessarily Sinclair or Murdoch. But Stanford is about a 90 minute drive from the area this station serves. I’m guessing the is Hoover PR ‘outreach’ posted as a news story.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:35:39pm

I know! I know!

Biden was born in Kenya!

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BigPapa  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:37:58pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

HA HA drink spit!

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:39:40pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

The only thing Jared Kushner is trying to do is profit from this crisis as much as humanly possible, just like his felonious father would have done and just like his father in law, President Satan’s Anus, is also doing.

The fucking US political press needs to stop fucking normalizing these Republican criminal motherfuckers.

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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:40:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:45:49pm
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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:47:05pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I heard that story this afternoon, and it made me froth at the mouth. If there is anything possible he could do worse, I swear he would do it.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:48:05pm
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Ace Rothstein  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:48:44pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

And the ones engaging in voter fraud are Republicans.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:50:56pm

re: #5 BigPapa

NIN has been the soundtrack at points in my life and I’m delighted to see them keeping it fresh but aging gracefullly. This recording gets my feels every time.

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Me too. I was 18 when Pretty Hate Machine was released and I’m 47 now and still there. Also love Reznor’s soundtrack work with Atticus Ross.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:51:04pm
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i(m)p(each)sos  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:51:52pm

There is an entire corner of my FB feed - mostly younger and not especially well-informed people I know through a non-political hobby - who are riding the “Biden is a rapist and I won’t vote for him” train REALLY hard tonight.

I think they’re more noise than action, and in western NY our votes are meaningless anyway, but it still pisses me off that the ratfucking has worked THAT well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:52:28pm
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:52:46pm

Concentrating on the important things:

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:54:52pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Back in the day (2012) my idiotic state rep, Alan Clemmons really went all in on zombie voters:

“We must have certainty in South Carolina that zombies aren’t voting.”

And we were off to the races—

Stoking the zombie-voter fire back then was a list of some 950 names that Republican Gov. Nikki Haley’s DMV director, Kevin Shwedo, said were those of dead people that appeared to have voted in recent elections.

“Well over 900 individuals appear to have voted after they died,” Shwedo said at one House hearing on the matter.

For a while last year, you couldn’t turn on Fox News without seeing S.C. GOP Attorney General Alan Wilson saying things like, “We know for a fact that there are deceased people whose identities are being used in elections in South Carolina.”

A year and a half after a zombie voter fever fell over Republicans in campaign mode, a state police investigation found no indication that anyone purposefully cast a ballot using the name of a dead person in South Carolina.

postandcourier.com

South Carolina—too small for a republic, too large for an insane asylum.

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:56:52pm

re: #19 Ace Rothstein

And the ones engaging in voter fraud are Republicans.

Yeah, the case reports for this all read the same: Cletus McBumbleFuck the 3rd of SisterFuck Nowhere, avid Fox News viewer for the last 30 years, whose family tree is spindly where it doesn’t have loops, votes multiple times to try to counteract the imaginary ‘millions of illegal votes cast by Democrats.’

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BlueGrl21  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:57:11pm

re: #22 i(m)p(each)sos

There is an entire corner of my FB feed - mostly younger and not especially well-informed people I know through a non-political hobby - who are riding the “Biden is a rapist and I won’t vote for him” train REALLY hard tonight.

I think they’re more noise than action, and in western NY our votes are meaningless anyway, but it still pisses me off that the ratfucking has worked THAT well.

I took my Bernie-loving son’s head off tonight when he threw that one out there. “Mom, I’m just supporting women.”

He says to the woman with her undergraduate degree in Women’s Studies.

Yeah.

God save me from the arrogance of a 17 year-old Bernie Bro.

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:58:16pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m gonna give myself a haircut real soon now, and if it end up better than this dog’s new hairdo, I’ll be very happy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 5:58:30pm
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:00:08pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:01:34pm

re: #28 BlueGrl21

I took my Bernie-loving son’s head off tonight when he threw that one out there. “Mom, I’m just supporting women.”

He says to the woman with her undergraduate degree in Women’s Studies.

Yeah.

God save me from the arrogance of a 17 year-old male Bernie Bro.

I know this is idiots being led by GOP/Russian ratfuckers, but if the accusations vs. Biden are accepted at face value, then the far more numerous and credible accusations vs. Trump must also be accepted. That makes Biden the better choice even if this is turned into a farcical single-issue thing.

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:02:07pm

re: #24 Belafon

Concentrating on the important things:

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In case anyone’s wondering, that brilliant line of questioning came from the NY Post.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:02:23pm

This is great music, beautiful in it’s way but I find this suits me today better:

The Black Crowes’ Robinson Brothers Reunite As Brothers Of A Feather

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:03:18pm

re: #33 BeachDem

In case anyone’s wondering, that brilliant line of questioning came from the NY Post.

My guess was OANN. But the NY Post also fits — Trumpist tabloid. They were probably fed the question by the administration.

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NetworkKed  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:09:40pm

The more recent Nails efforts tend more towards busy-buzzy-angry and the lyrics just don’t pop for me. But yeah, you can’t really do much better for sheer glory in heavily-constructed music.

My favorite album is With Teeth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJhJ7YdojdU&list=PLfUV806q_Ri51F8e8ENdYXHwGE2vVg_ZR

It only has the one true single on it but EVERYTHING just rolls.

If you want pure rage at (Bush43-era) Republicanism, track down Year Zero (and its remix album is one of the best too). You almost wish for the hand from the sky some days…

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:13:50pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

I know this is idiots being led by GOP/Russian ratfuckers, but if the accusations vs. Biden are accepted at face value, then the far more numerous and credible accusations vs. Trump must also be accepted. That makes Biden the better choice even if this is turned into a farcical single-issue thing.

Except it doesn’t have to. Just as with emails. For the American voting public, what matters is what they see on TV every day. The accusations don’t have to make sense. They don’t have to hold up to even the slightest scrutiny. As long as talking heads on the screen convey the right emotions, that’s the reality.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:13:56pm
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BigPapa  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:14:04pm

No Titty Money? Things must be bad if Titty Money is no good.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:14:07pm

re: #36 NetworkKed

I saw Nine Inch Nails at Numbers in Houston in 1991, it was when “Down in It” was getting all the airplay. That album to this day is awesome.They did a few “practice” gigs before Lollapalooza, and we saw them for like ten bucks. For a show, Numbers can probably hold maybe 1,000 people. They absolutely tore the roof off that motherfucker, still one of the greatest shows I ever saw.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:14:24pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

I know this is idiots being led by GOP/Russian ratfuckers, but if the accusations vs. Biden are accepted at face value, then the far more numerous and credible accusations vs. Trump must also be accepted. That makes Biden the better choice even if this is turned into a farcical single-issue thing.

“They’re both rapists and I shouldn’t have to support either one” is the “logic” these folks are applying.

“I’ll vote third party or write in Bernie or not vote at all. But I’ll vote blue downticket.”

F me.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:15:02pm

re: #40 Ace Rothstein

I saw Nine Inch Nails at Numbers in Houston in 1991, it was when “Down in It” was getting all the airplay. That album to this day is awesome.They did a few “practice” gigs before Lollapalooza, and we saw them for like ten bucks. For a show, Numbers can probably hold maybe 1,000 people. They absolutely tore the roof off that motherfucker, still one of the greatest shows I ever saw.

I was at that show too, my friend. :) Unreal.

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plansbandc  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:15:20pm

re: #22 i(m)p(each)sos

Been dealing with that on my FB also. It’s infuriating.

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BigPapa  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:16:17pm

re: #11 BigPapa

Right wing bullshit posted as news: Victor Davis Hanson, Standford, and ‘scientific studies’ on herd immunity. Posted by godsister from Central CA on FB.
New study investigates California’s possible herd immunity to COVID-19

The news station is owned by Hearst, not necessarily Sinclair or Murdoch. But Stanford is about a 90 minute drive from the area this station serves. I’m guessing the is Hoover PR ‘outreach’ posted as a news story.

I’m not sure if the biotech companies wanted an ad posited as a news story and they pulled in VDH from Hoover as a big gun professorly type, but it’s sorta weird to have VDH in this story as an expert.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:16:18pm

re: #42 BlueGrl21

I went recently for “Classic Numbers.” The place has not changed at all.

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uriel  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:17:37pm

Good thing trump bought all that chloroquine. We’ll all be able to use them as make-shift checkers pieces as the world falls apart. “What do you have to loose!”:

Swedish hospitals abandon trial of promising malaria drug chloroquine for coronavirus patients after it caused them blinding headaches, vision loss and agonising cramps

dailymail.co.uk

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makeitstop  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:19:26pm

re: #40 Ace Rothstein

I saw Nine Inch Nails at Numbers in Houston in 1991, it was when “Down in It” was getting all the airplay. That album to this day is awesome.They did a few “practice” gigs before Lollapalooza, and we saw them for like ten bucks. For a show, Numbers can probably hold maybe 1,000 people. They absolutely tore the roof off that motherfucker, still one of the greatest shows I ever saw.

I saw them on the first tour, where the stage was enclosed in a steel cage and Reznor climbed all around inside of it. With Pretty Hate Machine as the soundtrack and nothing but white lights on stage, it looked and sounded like the dystopian future.

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NetworkKed  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:19:31pm

re: #40 Ace Rothstein

I saw Nine Inch Nails at Numbers in Houston in 1991, it was when “Down in It” was getting all the airplay. That album to this day is awesome.They did a few “practice” gigs before Lollapalooza, and we saw them for like ten bucks. For a show, Numbers can probably hold maybe 1,000 people. They absolutely tore the roof off that motherfucker, still one of the greatest shows I ever saw.

So jealous. I was probably not quite there musically in 91 - my CD library from then has a lot of 70’s Genesis, but Nails is easily top 3 musical acts/composers on my lifetime lists.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:20:11pm

re: #43 plansbandc

Been dealing with that on my FB also. It’s infuriating.

I promised myself I wasn’t going to beat the Bern too much today but the LOL BIDEN IS SENILE crap legitimately angers me.

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:22:15pm
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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:22:50pm

How much of that is kickbacks to the Trumps?

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:23:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:24:20pm

I still don’t know what to make of George Conway.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:25:14pm
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NetworkKed  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:25:32pm

You know, I wrote a half a page worth of commentary on how I think US numbers show CV19 has stopped accelerating - “30000 new cases every day” rather than “exponential growth” - and then I dinked around in the testing numbers, and now what I think is happening is that we’re stuck at approximately 130k TESTS per day.

Goddammit.

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:25:35pm
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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:25:55pm

Trump administration solution: stop counting.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:27:17pm

re: #56 gocart mozart

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Really is a reality show presidency.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:27:45pm

Hey.

That $2.2 trillion dollar bailout package for small businesses? Guess what it includes?

501(c)3 and 501(c)19 organisations (not-for-profits and veterans organisations).

Know who else is included in the bill as far as 501(c)3? Churches.

As long as a church does not openly discriminate during the term of the loan, they may get a Small Business Administration loan.

And, because the loans are structured in such a way that the government will be quite forbearing if it is not paid back, that means free tax money for churches.

Wanna know what charitable organisations are not eligible for such loans?

Secular ones.

The SBA has a bonkers FAQ directly explaining this.

Mike Pence Gonna Pay Pastors As Small ‘Businesses’ Because Isn’t That What A Church Is? (Wonkette)

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:28:29pm

re: #55 NetworkKed

You know, I wrote a half a page worth of commentary on how I think US numbers show CV19 has stopped accelerating - “30000 new cases every day” rather than “exponential growth” - and then I dinked around in the testing numbers, and now what I think is happening is that we’re stuck at approximately 130k TESTS per day.

Goddammit.

Indeed. I haven’t made a deep dive into the numbers, but nationwide it is impossible for the outbreak to be slowing down because social distancing hasn’t been in place long enough in enough of the country.

What is encouraging is that places in the country that have acted earliest are seeing some benefit from that.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:28:59pm
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NetworkKed  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:31:41pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

Indeed. I haven’t made a deep dive into the numbers, but nationwide it is impossible for the outbreak to be slowing down because social distancing hasn’t been in place long enough in enough of the country.

What is encouraging is that places in the country that have acted earliest are seeing some benefit from that.


https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing

Scroll down a little ways for a very nice graph after long discussion of why this is important. I’m adding this to my bookmarks.

That said, it’s totally plausible that CA (especially!) and NY stomping hard on things could level off the acceleration, and the rest of the country will hot-spot it up to start things going. Honestly I feel like much of the country is at like 40%-60% social distancing. No way to judge if that’s enough, though the CDC transmission rate estimates this morning were a punch in the gut.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:32:17pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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They’re going to experiment on inmates.

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BigPapa  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:33:55pm

re: #44 BigPapa

I did a search on ‘New study investigates California’s possible herd immunity to COVID-19’ and the same ‘story’ is in a bunch of online papers. Not sure if an ad purchased by one of the testing companies designed to look like a news story but it reeks of it. Not sure how Victor Davis Hanson from Hoover got involved as an expert but this one is fishy.

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:35:27pm

re: #64 BigPapa

I did a search on ‘New study investigates California’s possible herd immunity to COVID-19’ and the same ‘story’ is in a bunch of online papers. Not sure if an ad purchased by one of the testing companies designed to look like a news story but it reeks of it. Not sure how Victor Davis Hanson from Hoover got involved as an expert but this one is fishy.

“VDH from Hoover” by itself is enough to make it fishy. Right wingers are incapable of honesty.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:35:58pm

Folks I’m signing off. Preparing to seder alone and I’m prepared…

See you in the morning…

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:36:41pm

re: #63 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They’re going to experiment on inmates.

Indeed they are. I’d really like to see serious civil and criminal penalties all up and down the relevant chains of command for this Mengele-level shit.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:40:26pm

re: #63 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They’re going to experiment on inmates.

Of course. Thanks to the loophole in the 13th Amendment they are nothing but slaves.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:40:40pm

Nebraska stats:

Cases: 543 (+45)
Deaths: 14 (+4)

Total tested: 8,067
nebraska.maps.arcgis.com

Growth by state and territory relative to others: Slowest of all jurisdictions.
91-divoc.com

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:41:16pm
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:42:24pm

re: #39 BigPapa

No Titty Money? Things must be bad if Titty Money is no good.

They don’t want you pulling it out of your clothes.

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:43:35pm

re: #70 jaunte

We’re on track for the US to have the single worst covid19 epidemic in the developed world, and if so it will be entirely on Trump and Republicans.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:43:37pm

re: #71 Belafon

They don’t want you pulling it out of your clothes.

Suppose that includes g-strings.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:45:07pm

There is a relatively liberal strain in Alabama’s mainstream press:

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:47:13pm

Sawyer County in northern Wisconsin now has it’s first confirmed case of Covid19. That said I still believe Gus probably was killed by it but he had Lung Cancer so they hid the count that way.

And then stupidity continues elsewise - Wisconsin man time - a local Township board member was busted for meth trafficking. Not using but trafficking. I can have sympathy for the ones who fall into that hell drug but I have none for those who push it.

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NetworkKed  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:47:17pm

Note we don’t have the star for a national lockdown on that graph. Go us.

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danarchy  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:47:36pm

re: #70 jaunte

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How does the US compare vs the EU as a whole? Wouldn’t that be more of an apples to apples comparison as far as population numbers go? Also, unfortunately also comparable in disparity between response between member states.

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BigPapa  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:49:12pm

re: #71 Belafon

They don’t want you pulling it out of your clothes.

Yah, I know it means money tucked into clothing… but it’s Titty Money and I’m immature and it’s funny.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:50:13pm

re: #77 danarchy

Just roughly adding all EU countries on the chart, it seems equivalent to the US numbers, but their curves are trending down (the UK may be an exception).

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:50:56pm

re: #78 BigPapa

Yah, I know it means money tucked into clothing… but it’s Titty Money and I’m immature and it’s funny.

It’s ok. I’m old and thought it was funny.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:51:09pm

Now that we won’t be funding testing, the deaths will become more mysterious.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:51:09pm

re: #72 EPR-radar

We’re on track for the US to have the single worst covid19 epidemic in the developed world, and if so it will be entirely on Trump and Republicans.

Actually the US already has the worst in the developed world, if not the entire world. I assume China has worse, and once it really outbreaks in India or Brazil, or God forbid, someplace like Bangladesh, that will be catastrophic, but for now, the US is worse than most anyplace else. Italy and Spain are hurting, but their death curve is bending down significantly - doubling rates are up to 10 days or so. When they were at 14.5k deaths, the same place the US is now, those doubling rates had already slowed to over a week. The US rate is still at 5 days, and the daily deaths is still increasing. And it hasn’t even really started in Florida yet, or another highly populated city like Atlanta.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:51:33pm

re: #78 BigPapa

Yah, I know it means money tucked into clothing… but it’s Titty Money and I’m immature and it’s funny.

Just making sure. I went there the first time I read it. It wasn’t until I realized what sock money meant before I recalibrated on titty money.

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NetworkKed  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:52:15pm

I think that graph is doing some odd smoothing. If you want to see a bad (though messy) curve, look at the trend in France.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/

They’re heading the wrong direction too. The mortality numbers are super wack, at like 10% which tells me they have NO grip on testing.

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danarchy  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:52:20pm

re: #80 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s ok. I’m old and thought it was funny.

Ditto, but then again being old and being immature are not mutually exclusive.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:53:41pm

re: #81 jaunte

Now that we won’t be funding testing, the deaths will become more mysterious.

That will bite Trump in the ass. Even poor data creates a degree of public confidence. Without it the rumors will be even more rampant.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:54:06pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:54:44pm

re: #85 danarchy

Ditto, but then again being old and being immature are not mutually exclusive.

We have to work harder for it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:54:44pm

It was noted in the previous thread that Indian PM Modi was going to sell a bunch of hydroxycloroquine to the USA but the reason was unknown.

Actually it was known.

When India moved to block export of the medication except for legitimate purposes, Trump threatened Modi with retaliation in a phone call yesterday. That’s why Modi reversed his government’s position.

bbc.com

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:55:13pm

re: #86 Decatur Deb

That will bite Trump in the ass. Even poor data creates a degree of public confidence. Without it the rumors will be even more rampant.

When people are dying in huge numbers with no data about how bad it is and if it’s going to get worse or better, people will overcompensate and shut everything down.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:55:38pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:56:17pm

re: #77 danarchy

How does the US compare vs the EU as a whole? Wouldn’t that be more of an apples to apples comparison as far as population numbers go? Also, unfortunately also comparable in disparity between response between member states.

Here’s a link to the WaPo map where you can choose whether to view total cases/deaths or view cases/deaths per 100K population. They have a US map by states too.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:56:19pm

re: #90 Belafon

When people are dying in huge numbers with no data about how bad it is and if it’s going to get worse or better, people will overcompensate and shut everything down.

Welcome to the Post-factual world.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 8, 2020 • 6:58:25pm
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:00:14pm

re: #91 Dread Pirate

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Now they’re all going to need new masks. ////

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:01:23pm

re: #94 Ace-o-aces

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I’m just going to keep declaring that they didn’t care for Bernie, his policies, or the actual people they would help.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:02:20pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:05:27pm

re: #94 Ace-o-aces

#GetJoeATransAm

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:06:27pm
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Florida Panhandler  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:09:08pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

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‘At least he’s trying.”

This quote is never afforded to anyone on an International stage with this much on the line whose net worth is less than $100 Million.

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Cheechako  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:12:19pm

Fucking bastards!!

Hospitals across US say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word

Somebody (guess who) is planning to make a fortune.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:13:49pm

I don’t post here often, usually just lurking, but this is the only place I can vent about my idiot friends who keep pushing everyone they know to vote for Bernie so Biden doesn’t get the required 1991 delegates, forcing a brokered convention without superdelegates until the third round. They seem to believe that this will somehow result in the Democratic Party coalescing around their messiah. I’m too angered by their stupid naivete to even engage at this point. At least my state already voted.

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Florida Panhandler  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:14:01pm

re: #70 jaunte

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The real pandemic is going to begin in rural America later this summer and into the fall as Trump relaxes social distancing rules, opens up the economy in order to shore up his election chances, and MAGA types make a point of gathering in large groups just to own the Libs.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:15:22pm
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austin_blue  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:17:01pm

re: #75 William Lewis

Sawyer County in northern Wisconsin now has it’s first confirmed case of Covid19. That said I still believe Gus probably was killed by it but he had Lung Cancer so they hid the count that way.

And then stupidity continues elsewise - Wisconsin man time - a local Township board member was busted for meth trafficking. Not using but trafficking. I can have sympathy for the ones who fall into that hell drug but I have none for those who push it.

Wait, Gus died? Fuck me naked.

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b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:17:11pm

re: #103 DesertDenizen

I don’t post here often, usually just lurking, but this is the only place I can vent about my idiot friends who keep pushing everyone they know to vote for Bernie so Biden doesn’t get the required 1991 delegates, forcing a brokered convention without superdelegates until the third round. They seem to believe that this will somehow result in the Democratic Party coalescing around their messiah. I’m too angered by their stupid naivete to even engage at this point. At least my state already voted.

Welcome to a somewhat sane oasis where we don’t believe that a guy who couldn’t beat Biden can beat the guy he’s going to run against.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:17:21pm

Someone tell me how we’re not fucked. Please?

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DesertDenizen  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:17:36pm

re: #99 jaunte

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:18:39pm

re: #106 austin_blue

Wait, Gus died? Fuck me naked.

What?! God fucking damn it. I know he split from us due to philosophical differences but he was still a friend once upon a time.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:18:59pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

Ah. Oh, my, yes, that is Ansel’s work. So very much his style and beauty.

Him and David Plowden. Those two are the saints I pray to every time I pick up my camera.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:19:01pm

re: #109 DesertDenizen

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The Doctor is always relevant.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:19:19pm

re: #107 b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)

Thanks. I’ve been a solid lurker for many years (I remember DF and KT for instance), but I dont always feel I have much to add to this incredible group of humans.

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b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:20:03pm

re: #106 austin_blue

Wait, Gus died? Fuck me naked.

Our old Gus is still pumping out the tweets, not sure which Gus Mr. Lewis was talking about?

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:20:33pm

re: #106 austin_blue

Wait, Gus died? Fuck me naked.

SORRY - not THAT Gus. Gus was a Korean war vet living here in Wisconsin. He was a damn good man damaged by his time in combat.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:21:13pm

re: #115 William Lewis

SORRY - not THAT Gus. Gus was a Korean war vet living here in Wisconsin. He was a damn good man damaged by his time in combat.

Oh, a real-life friend Gus. That sucks to hear, I’m sorry.

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:25:31pm
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Cheechako  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:26:43pm

Someone should tell donnie about the Incident Command System

Been in use, including 9/11 and Katrina, for over 30 years. If you aren’t aware of the System and it’s operation, its worth reading the whole Wicki article.

Of course, if donnie was aware of the system, he would demand to be the Incident Commander.

Our Mayor (former City Assistant Fire Chief) is using the system in Juneau.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:37:29pm

re: #103 DesertDenizen

I don’t post here often, usually just lurking, but this is the only place I can vent about my idiot friends who keep pushing everyone they know to vote for Bernie so Biden doesn’t get the required 1991 delegates, forcing a brokered convention without superdelegates until the third round. They seem to believe that this will somehow result in the Democratic Party coalescing around their messiah. I’m too angered by their stupid naivete to even engage at this point. At least my state already voted.

I understand. My son is one of those people. I love the boy with my last breath but I don’t like him much right now.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:40:06pm

People still too slow in figuring out how this aerosol transmission thing works

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DesertDenizen  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:43:28pm

re: #119 BlueGrl21

I understand. My son is one of those people. I love the boy with my last breath but I don’t like him much right now.

I don’t have any children, so I can’t imagine how difficult that must be. I do recall being an insufferable shit at 17, but that’s no excuse.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:46:08pm

re: #119 BlueGrl21

I understand. My son is one of those people. I love the boy with my last breath but I don’t like him much right now.

My son cast his first vote on Tuesday. I am proud as fuck of him but I will not ask him how he voted for that reason. I hope my distrust of revolution while still being Socialist _and_ Christian will have left an influence.

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uriel  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:49:22pm

Don’t know if it’s already been posted, but…

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:50:11pm

Conservatives won’t be able to adapt to this. The world has changed, and we must also.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:52:16pm
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b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)  Apr 8, 2020 • 7:55:45pm

re: #124 jaunte

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Conservatives won’t be able to adapt to this. The world has changed, and we must also.

So we are basically locked down until there is a countrywide vaccine available to all (for basic crap) …..a year from now, winter if we are hasty.

The good news is that Trump will do anything to try and save the economy/election. The only bright spot in this pandemic is that it is happening in an election year.

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mmmirele  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:01:36pm

I hate big pharma, I hate insurance companies and I hate pharmacy benefit managers.

I have a drug, I’ve been taking it the better part of a decade: Dexilant, 1 capsule, 60 mg once a day. It is the one drug that keeps down my acid reflux. Apparently it is no longer covered under my employer’s insurance. So, instead of paying, say, $150.00 for a prescription that is not on the formulary, I am tossed to the damned wolves and have to pay out of pocket.

Express Scripts, the pharmacy benefit manager, says they can fill the prescription for $998/90 capsules, which works out to $11.09/capsule. They did not like me cussing them out when I told them what they could do with that.

Takeda, the manufacturer, will give me a discount that brings the cost to $745.80, or $8.29/capsule. Not good, Takeda, not good.

GoodRx offers a coupon that brings the cost down to $622.64 or $6.92/capsule.

This is completely ridiculous. This is a necessary medication for me, in the sense that I have gone to the ER with chest pains that turned out to be acid reflux, they were that bad. And oh, I can appeal this, but HEY, I have to get my doctor involved, it took me 10 days and two tries to get their attention on this refill, so you know how successful that’s going to be right now. I don’t have to mention “pandemic,” “isolation” and all that, right?

Thing is, I can gut it up and buy this medication, and probably will, because, to be blunt, I don’t ever want to be writhing in that much pain ever again. But I think about the people who are rationing insulin because Humalog, etc., has gone through the roof and it’s like, we’re all being screwed out here. And of course, my congressman doesn’t give a flying fuck about his constituents, but would rather promote Boeing making masks and Procter & Gamble (seriously, yesterday it was Boeing, today, P&G). Not helpful, Andy Biggs, not helpful. I bet your congressional insurance covers my drugs.

I’m just having to get used to the idea that I will have to shell out $622.64 to buy a prescription that has cost me only $150 to fill in the past. Fuck.

*And, theoretically, there’s been an FDA approved generic for nearly three years, but it’s still unavailable.

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b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:02:38pm

My sister lives in rural Colorado and called today to say that she has been off work since Thursday with symptoms. She called to tell me that today because things were getting worse and didn’t want for me to be freaked when she told her story on Facebook.

She was searching for symptoms, daily progress, what to expect on the web etc for when you actually had it and could not much of anything. She is planning on trying to quasi-blog what she is going through.

She’s 64 and in good health, our family all tended to abuse our bodies in our youth then overcompensate!

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:04:14pm

re: #123 uriel

Don’t know if it’s already been posted, but…

Truth will out. But then, if you’re taking that avatar you already know that very well since he is the subtle one.

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:05:47pm

re: #128 b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)

Knock wood she doesn’t have it, or if she does, she comes through it easily.

Just learned tonight that a doctor son of a dear friend has it, pretty rough.

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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:06:58pm
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:07:33pm

re: #102 Cheechako

Fucking bastards!!

Hospitals across US say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word

Somebody (guess who) is planning to make a fortune.

He wants everyone to come beg to him.

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:09:36pm

re: #132 Belafon

He wants everyone to come beg to him.

And grovel, and then have to thank him for our crumbs.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:12:09pm

re: #103 DesertDenizen

I don’t post here often, usually just lurking, but this is the only place I can vent about my idiot friends who keep pushing everyone they know to vote for Bernie so Biden doesn’t get the required 1991 delegates, forcing a brokered convention without superdelegates until the third round. They seem to believe that this will somehow result in the Democratic Party coalescing around their messiah. I’m too angered by their stupid naivete to even engage at this point. At least my state already voted.

And what are they going to do when Biden gets the delegates?

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DesertDenizen  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:15:00pm

re: #134 Belafon

And what are they going to do when Biden gets the delegates?

Argle bargle gazpacho profit.
In all seriousness, this is what I want to ask them. Every other candidate has endorsed Biden, yet somehow Bernie can pull together a coalition? It makes no sense to me and I’m sure none of them can explain it. They all seem to confuse a slogan or idea with a plan.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:15:27pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

Emerald Bay, Lake Tahoe
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:17:56pm

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

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Not just rural areas. There are a lot of businesses run by conservatives who are going to be willing to follow that.

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calochortus  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:20:13pm

re: #11 BigPapa

Right wing bullshit posted as news: Victor Davis Hanson, Standford, and ‘scientific studies’ on herd immunity. Posted by godsister from Central CA on FB.
New study investigates California’s possible herd immunity to COVID-19

The news station is owned by Hearst, not necessarily Sinclair or Murdoch. But Stanford is about a 90 minute drive from the area this station serves. I’m guessing the is Hoover PR ‘outreach’ posted as a news story.

Could someone explain to me what possible value there is to Victor’s hot take on this? As I recall he’s into military history and Classics. Epidemiology, not so much.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:21:02pm

re: #104 Florida Panhandler

The real pandemic is going to begin in rural America later this summer and into the fall as Trump relaxes social distancing rules, opens up the economy in order to shore up his election chances, and MAGA types make a point of gathering in large groups just to own the Libs.

Well, we liberals who stay out of our way will be able to flip our states blue, then.

Back from dinner. My wife has been watching cooking videos on YouTube, so tonight was lamb chops made a different way than she’s done that before. Yum.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:22:16pm

re: #137 Belafon

I’m in a rural, conservative county in Arizona, and there’s definitely a pattern in mask usage and bumper stickers. Same goes for family groups out shopping. Large groups and no masks often drive cars with 3%, moron label, and Trump stickers.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:22:35pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

Beautiful idea. If I were willing to play on twitter, I’d post this one to your thread.

But since I don’t do twitter here it is. OTOH, do with it as you will.

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mmmirele  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:27:09pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

I so want to go back here.

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:29:30pm

re: #142 mmmirele

Where?

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:31:14pm

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:31:45pm

re: #142 mmmirele

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I so want to go back here.

Glorious. Where is it?

Mine is from just out of town on the Namakagon river. It helps keep me grounded.

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uriel  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:32:41pm

re: #129 William Lewis

;)

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:35:57pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:36:16pm

re: #144 Belafon

mr. klys’s company has said at this point to expect to be working from home through the end of June.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:36:53pm

As I pop the top on the last brew I have here, this one is to every lizard. Thank you all.

Halestorm - Here’s To Us [Official Video]

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:37:20pm

re: #147 gocart mozart

How many of them are growing exponentially? And on a chart dated now, not a month ago?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:37:36pm

re: #120 jaunte

People still too slow in figuring out how this aerosol transmission thing works

And when you’re threatened (blackmailed) with Hell (however your church defines that: literal burning, separation from God, &c), you have a powerful incentive to go to church.

It’s a perfectly circular argument: If you don’t get sick at all, then God spared you. If you do get sick but recover with the care of medical doctors and nurses trained by humans and backed with technology built by humans, then God saved you (not the doctors and nurses and engineers, &c).

If you die, then God needed an “angel” or whatever to be called home.

In my last hand surgery, a VA doctor asked me after I’d been given sleeping medications but before I slept if I wanted him to pray with me before he began surgery. (It’s marked in my chart I an an atheist, so he wanted to prey on me, not pray with me.)

I was clear that I put my trust in his skill and training as a physician and surgeon, and that was good enough for me.

By contrast, the hospital chaplain came round before I went to surgery. He just asked how I was doing and if he could do anything for me such as carry a message to my wife waiting outside.

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Citizen K  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:39:27pm

re: #102 Cheechako

Fucking bastards!!

Hospitals across US say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word

Somebody (guess who) is planning to make a fortune.

This is basically an extortion racket. They’ve successfully leveraged the pandemic into a mob shakedown. And people will still defend this fucking monstrous maladministration because ‘the libz’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:40:24pm

so, here’s the current radar:

There’s about 150,000 Duke Energy customers without power in Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky. I’m guessing MrBWS won’t be coming home tomorrow night.

About 2,000 customers in our local electric co-op are out, and the worst of the storms haven’t quite arrived yet (although I can hear thunder).

Gonna be shutting down soon.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:41:00pm

Red Mountain Pass, Colorado

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:42:01pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

I suppose “but it’s so pretty!” isn’t the correct response.

Stay safe and I hope Mr BWS is home again soon.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:44:38pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Not always but that doesn’t fit your own hate so you don’t want to hear that. It must be a hurtful thing to run smack into that wall on a regular basis.

My tradition has had the prayer book for this reason for centuries. God doesn’t need bunches of people shoved like sardines into a can; those who only live for offerings, well, they aren’t the same thing despite what your hate tells you to believe.

Zoom is simply a new expression of the same thing we did when the plague hit London back then. Sorry to disabuse you.

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mmmirele  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:45:14pm

re: #143 retired cynic

Hagi City, Yamaguchi Prefecture, Japan. It’s on the Japan Sea. When I went on the tour last May, we stayed in a hotel/ryokan there for a couple of days. The weather went from rainy to sunny and I took pictures every few hours. Hagi isn’t an easy place to get to these days, you have to take a train to Yamaguchi city and then a bus to Hagi. Interestingly, despite being rather isolated, Hagi was the center of pro-imperial activity at the end of the Edo period, when Japan was ruled by the shogunate. We went to a shrine for Yoshida Shoin, who was highly influential upon a group of young men who became part of the Meiji Restoration. Hagi City also has one of the nicest small museums I’d ever been to, and it REALLY awoke in me a desire to learn Japanese so I could read the labels on the displays. (The English labels were somewhat lacking.)

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Mattand  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:45:35pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹🏡

When I got sick a few years ago, I had people tell me they were going to pray for me “even though I know you don’t believe in God.”

Really awkward. They were showing genuine concern for my well being, but it was delivered in a majorly passive-aggressive “Fuck you for not believing in God” way. It was more important to them force their God down my throat at one of the worst times in my life.

I can’t imagine would it have been like if I lived in an area like the Bible Belt.

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:45:38pm
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makeitstop  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:46:28pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

challenging everyone to post a photo you’ve taken from a place you’ve been. The only thing is that you do not appear in it.

Easy for me - I’ve taken thousands of photos on our vacations, and I’d say less than 1% of them have anything more than my reflection in them. I actively try to ‘de-populate’ my photos, even in big cities. If I’m taking a shot, I try to wait until everyone moves out of the frame to snap it.

It’s taking a metric fuckton of self-restraint to not jump in the truck and drive into Manhattan. The photos I’m seeing of that normally bustling city, free of traffic and people - it’s tempting me to go and take some of my own.

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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:49:10pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

This is the summit of Mt. Baldy at the Alta Ski Area in Utah, looking south, that’s the Wasatch Mountain Range.

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calochortus  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:52:21pm

Smith Rock State Park, Oregon

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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:53:34pm

Instagram

Slate River Valley, Crested Butte, CO

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sagehen  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:53:48pm

re: #63 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They’re going to experiment on inmates.

Is Mengele a verb?

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:54:17pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

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Ooohhh!

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Citizen K  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:54:44pm

re: #164 sagehen

Is Mengele a verb?

Might need to ask if ‘Tuskegee’ should be verbed too.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 8, 2020 • 8:57:59pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stay safe, Ms. Sleuth.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:00:30pm

re: #156 William Lewis

Not always but that doesn’t fit your own hate so you don’t want to hear that. It must be a hurtful thing to run smack into that wall on a regular basis.

My tradition has had the prayer book for this reason for centuries. God doesn’t need bunches of people shoved like sardines into a can; those who only live for offerings, well, they aren’t the same thing despite what your hate tells you to believe.

Zoom is simply a new expression of the same thing we did when the plague hit London back then. Sorry to disabuse you.

My apologies. I forgot I am not allowed to speak of religion here or how it affects me, because “that’s hate.”

I broke my promise not to speak of religion a couple weeks ago. I will do better not to do so in the future.

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calochortus  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:00:59pm

Carrizo Plain, CA Soda Lake looking east to the Temblor Range

Wildflowers in 2017

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:01:41pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

A “contraselfie.” /s

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:02:52pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:03:35pm

I’ve upset the commentariat here again, so it’s probably time for me to bail out and leave everyone be for a while.

I’ll catch y’all some other time.

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sagehen  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:04:36pm

re: #102 Cheechako

Fucking bastards!!

Hospitals across US say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word

Somebody (guess who) is planning to make a fortune.

All across the US? Or just in blue states?

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:04:42pm

A neighbor stopping by across the fence.

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:05:42pm

re: #172 Anymouse 🌹🏡

IMO, you need to hang around and swing with it.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:07:57pm

re: #173 sagehen

All across the US? Or just in blue states?

The article also mentions seizures in Florida and Texas.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:08:31pm

re: #172 Anymouse 🌹🏡

I’ve upset the commentariat here again, so it’s probably time for me to bail out and leave everyone be for a while.

I’ll catch y’all some other time.

Sorry to make you understand that you are as human as the rest of us and just as liable to sin. You have just cause to hate given how many who call themselves Christian have treated you. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t hate.

But go ahead, run away like you always do when someone stands up. Perhaps someday you’ll find a better way to handle your hate and fear.

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:10:02pm
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:10:21pm

re: #156 William Lewis

Not always but that doesn’t fit your own hate so you don’t want to hear that. It must be a hurtful thing to run smack into that wall on a regular basis.

My tradition has had the prayer book for this reason for centuries. God doesn’t need bunches of people shoved like sardines into a can; those who only live for offerings, well, they aren’t the same thing despite what your hate tells you to believe.

Zoom is simply a new expression of the same thing we did when the plague hit London back then. Sorry to disabuse you.

I don’t quite see how this is a reply to what you’re replying to. I think you’re being a bit aggressive based on previous Anymouse statements, not with one you’re replying to.

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:11:20pm

re: #178 gocart mozart

oooh! Coming from someone whose land is about about 400 feet above sea level, and the river bluffs are the mountains I see with my pretend vision.

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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:14:18pm
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austin_blue  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:15:08pm

We did a smart thing in Austin. We shut down SXSW a week before it was to start. Cost the City $300,000,000. Then we shut the City down, as far as restaurants and bars, and similar spaces were concerned. No music, which absolutely sucks.

Our job losses right right now are in the multiple tens of thousands.

The businesses affected have responded, as much as they can. Restaurants are delivering at their doors, if they can. We order from Uchi each Thursday, our usual date night there, and our delivery bag says “We miss you!” We tip them 25%.

And we miss them, and our friends and neighbors.

And that’s the thing. There is a certain fundamental loneliness that both She Who Must Be Obeyed and I deeply feel.

We know why it is necessary, but at a certain level it is beginning to sap at our souls.

Don’t get me wrong, we aren’t going to check out together, but it’s just heartbreaking that we all, everyone, have to suffer through this hell.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:16:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:16:52pm

re: #177 William Lewis

Sorry to make you understand that you are as human as the rest of us and just as liable to sin. You have just cause to hate given how many who call themselves Christian have treated you. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t hate.

But go ahead, run away like you always do when someone stands up. Perhaps someday you’ll find a better way to handle your hate and fear.

Ya no.

Sin is an offence against a god. I do not believe in a god.

And not, disdain, disbelief, and dislike are not “hate,” no matter how many times you try to convince yourself it is.

“Go ahead and run away like you always do when you stand up.”

Gee, no hate there, not at all.

I’m not running away. I am leaving a discussion because I have better things to do than be insulted.

I notice you skipped over the part where my physician ignored my chart and tried to initiate prayer (which is not his job as a government employee but who cares about separation of Church and State), but the chaplain who is also a Christian simply asked what he could do for me and if he could pass a message to my wife.

So yes, I will take a break from here, because I don’t need you preaching “sinner” at me either. You know, something the minister of the church across the street from my house has never done.

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sagehen  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:20:15pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹🏡

In my last hand surgery, a VA doctor asked me after I’d been given sleeping medications but before I slept if I wanted him to pray with me before he began surgery. (It’s marked in my chart I an an atheist, so he wanted to prey on me, not pray with me.)

I was clear that I put my trust in his skill and training as a physician and surgeon, and that was good enough for me.

Did you listen to Queen Elizabeth’s speech? She specifically expressed good wishes to “people of all faiths, or none.” (she’s the statutory head of the country’s largest denomination).

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:21:13pm

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹🏡

The chaplain was behaving as a Christian. The doctor, not so much.

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calochortus  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:26:55pm

I’m out for the evening.
Hasta mañana, all.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:27:38pm

re: #119 BlueGrl21

I understand. My son is one of those people. I love the boy with my last breath but I don’t like him much right now.

I voted for Nader in 2000 and just have to live with the mortification that goes with how poorly that decision aged. Point being I get Bernie’s appeal. Young people are very prone to conflate ideological rigidity with integrity so completely that in their righteousness addicted ego high they completely forget about the real battlefield.

Which, to be utterly blunt, is easy since other people are doing the dying.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:28:34pm

re: #172 Anymouse 🌹🏡

I’ve upset the commentariat here again, so it’s probably time for me to bail out and leave everyone be for a while.

I’ll catch y’all some other time.

Feh…the constant martyrdom is tiring.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:33:29pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

so, here’s the current radar:

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There’s about 150,000 Duke Energy customers without power in Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky. I’m guessing MrBWS won’t be coming home tomorrow night.

About 2,000 customers in our local electric co-op are out, and the worst of the storms haven’t quite arrived yet (although I can hear thunder).

Gonna be shutting down soon.

Just got a big boom of thunder down here.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:34:12pm

re: #119 BlueGrl21

I understand. My son is one of those people. I love the boy with my last breath but I don’t like him much right now.

I’ve been talking to my son about this since Super Tuesday. He’s 20, and I think he voted for Bernie though I haven’t asked. What i have mentioned is that my first choice was Harris, and then Warren, before choosing Biden. And i have talked about the goal being to make progress towards the things we want to accomplish, and picking from the candidates the ine most likely to achieve that.

I’ve also had many talks with my kids over the years of the things Trump and the GOP aredoing, so they all agree that he needs to be gone.

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sagehen  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:35:29pm

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Ya no.

Sin is an offence against a god.

Maybe in some traditions.

In Judaism, sin is absolutely an offense against a person or persons. On the Day of Atonement, yes we pray and fast and ask God’s forgiveness for anything we’ve done or not done to piss him off, but we’re also required to apologize to any people we’ve hurt, by saying/doing things we shouldn’t’ve, or not saying/doing things we should’ve. We have apologize to them, for things we remember and things we don’t, ask for forgiveness, and if possible atone.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:38:17pm

re: #193 sagehen

Maybe in some traditions.

In Judaism, sin is absolutely an offense against a person or persons. On the Day of Atonement, yes we pray and fast and ask God’s forgiveness for anything we’ve done or not done to piss him off, but we’re also required to apologize to any people we’ve hurt, by saying/doing things we shouldn’t’ve, or not saying/doing things we should’ve. We have apologize to them, for things we remember and things we don’t, ask for forgiveness, and if possible atone.

That would require some serious introspection.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:38:34pm

re: #181 teleskiguy

When I look out over the bay, there’s no sign of smog — been like that since the shelter in place. Very thin silver lining, huge cloud.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:38:58pm

re: #191 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Just got a big boom of thunder down here.

all the really nasty stuff is moving south and east now (hello, West Virginia!) just rain now, with occasional thunder.

lots of power outages.

goofy hound dog is still hiding under the computer desk

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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:45:16pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

2000 was my first election I ever voted in, and I voted for Nader. Hell, I voted third party until 2016, to my everlasting shame.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:45:33pm

re: #193 sagehen

Maybe in some traditions.

In Judaism, sin is absolutely an offense against a person or persons. On the Day of Atonement, yes we pray and fast and ask God’s forgiveness for anything we’ve done or not done to piss him off, but we’re also required to apologize to any people we’ve hurt, by saying/doing things we shouldn’t’ve, or not saying/doing things we should’ve. We have apologize to them, for things we remember and things we don’t, ask for forgiveness, and if possible atone.

As another nonbeliever (Heinlein) said:

Sin is cruelty and injustice, all else is peccadillo. Oh, a sense of sin comes from violating the customs of your tribe. But breaking custom is not sin even when it feels so; sin is wronging another person.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:46:58pm
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Dread Pirate  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:50:41pm
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:54:00pm
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2020 • 9:56:31pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:02:21pm

Finally gave the Nine Inch Nails song a listen. Yeah! That’s some aggressive Nine Inch Nails, good stuff!

I really like this song by Nine Inch Nails.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:02:52pm

re: #193 sagehen

Maybe in some traditions.

In Judaism, sin is absolutely an offense against a person or persons. On the Day of Atonement, yes we pray and fast and ask God’s forgiveness for anything we’ve done or not done to piss him off, but we’re also required to apologize to any people we’ve hurt, by saying/doing things we shouldn’t’ve, or not saying/doing things we should’ve. We have apologize to them, for things we remember and things we don’t, ask for forgiveness, and if possible atone.

Exactly.

“by what we have done,
and by what we have left undone.”

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austin_blue  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:06:46pm

Night all.

Who knows what hell we will wake up to tomorrow, but the rest of America outside of the cities is going to get it in the neck over the next ten weeks, one truck stop at a time.

It’s inevitable.

And that smooth movement of freight across the country that delivers you your food?

Dead.

Stock up on canned meat and beans. You’ll need them.

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TedStriker  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:08:16pm

Logs in to see how things are going tonight after work, looks near end of the thread:

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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:18:13pm

re: #183 Dread Pirate

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The other day, I was told that it wasn’t possible for the Feds to suppress the official numbers because the states/locals/hospitals were running their own testing and would continue to publish despite the efforts of the federal government. I suppose we’ll see how true that is when the funding dries up…

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:30:43pm

re: #198 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

As another nonbeliever (Heinlein) said:

Oh, yes. Heinlein in his lack of belief was as good an Anglican as Bishop John Shelby Spong, good atheist that he is, is as well.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:38:51pm

Ok. Let’s get away from that other shit for a moment. May I offer this little bit of joy instead?

Everyday People | Turnaround Arts | Playing For Change

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Citizen K  Apr 8, 2020 • 10:53:10pm

re: #200 Dread Pirate

Fascinating to see a Times reporter boost an NYPost article, all in the service of their shared interest in defending the indefensible from Trump.

Fuck this shit, I need a fucking drink.
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ckkatz  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:14:29pm

My Ladyfriend has worked as a Hospital Chaplain. She is amazingly courageous in ways I could not be.

One of the things they must handle everyday are many different belief systems/religions of hospital patients and staff. She came to her hospital and spent all night tracking down a chaplain of the appropriate Buddhist tradition for a family whose teenage son had passed away at the hospital. She did the same for a very ill Wiccan.

She has also spent hours at the bedside of a terminally ill patient so that patient would not die alone.

Yes, there are always a few chaplains that cannot seem escape their own belief system, or for that matter, themselves. But almost all chaplains that I have met have made it a priority to listen to, understand, respect, and honor the needs of those whom they are pledged to care for.

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CleverToad  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:15:56pm

That was a fun one, William. Love all the kids’ faces.

Patience thin and nerves rasped, tongue sore from biting it, so signing out for the night. Stay safe, everyone; take care of yourselves, all the lizards battling this pestilence. Fingers crossed for those in storm paths — hope Mr BWS isn’t away for too many nights for this one.

A CO view for Teleskiguy

Near Staunton State Park, CO
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Sherlock Hound  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:22:57pm

Eugenics gets worse: Tuskegee part Deux:

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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:25:55pm

re: #22 i(m)p(each)sos

There is an entire corner of my FB feed - mostly younger and not especially well-informed people I know through a non-political hobby - who are riding the “Biden is a rapist and I won’t vote for him” train REALLY hard tonight.

I think they’re more noise than action, and in western NY our votes are meaningless anyway, but it still pisses me off that the ratfucking has worked THAT well.

Salon did a fairly even-handed article that lays out the case for why the whole “The media is suppressing this!” bit is likely BS, as is the accusation that Trust Us rejected representing her as a political “favor” to Biden. And yeah, that also means taking the piss out of the accusations that she’s a “Russian agent,” which I never really bought into though her rip-sawing between love and hate of Putin doesn’t help her case.

The discrepancies in her multiple versions of her story would be enough to invoke skepticism in me, but her lack of legal representation (she only wants a lawyer to run PR for her, not to take actual action against Biden), the fact that the only people who she says will back up her story are a brother and a friend who have only talked to pro-Bernie publications, and the additional discrepancies in her political advocacy (foreign and domestic) leads me to conclude that there’s something more below the surface. And that this stinks too much of Burisma, of someone wanting an investigation started for the purpose of saying Biden’s being investigated.

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teleskiguy  Apr 8, 2020 • 11:39:11pm

There’s a 200+ acre fire burning on the western slope of Colorado already.

Facebook Post

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:14:26am

Well, this tweet kinda blew up.

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teleskiguy  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:17:22am

re: #216 Ace-o-aces

That was retweeted by @Popehat.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:26:44am

re: #217 teleskiguy

That was retweeted by @Popehat.

Me: Honey! I got retweeted by @PopeHat!
Wife: …you really need to spend less time on Twitter.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:52:29am
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:57:19am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:00:56am

re: #120 jaunte

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People still too slow in figuring out how this aerosol transmission thing works

And this is exactly why I made a supply run yesterday with the intent to not go out at all for the next 2-3 weeks.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:01:02am
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:03:31am
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Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:07:21am

re: #223 goddamnedfrank

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How appropriate that Holmes is set to go to trial in August for wire fraud charges relating to an effort to create machines that, had they actually worked rather than being totally fraudulent, might have actually been useful in dealing with this outbreak.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:08:33am

re: #131 teleskiguy

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:11:21am

re: #150 retired cynic

How many of them are growing exponentially? And on a chart dated now, not a month ago?

Lies. Damned Lies. With Statistics.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:17:54am

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

I voted for Nader in 2000 and just have to live with the mortification that goes with how poorly that decision aged. Point being I get Bernie’s appeal. Young people are very prone to conflate ideological rigidity with integrity so completely that in their righteousness addicted ego high they completely forget about the real battlefield.

Which, to be utterly blunt, is easy since other people are doing the dying.

And they need a bit more life experience to get blind idealism beat out of them.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:27:04am

re: #62 NetworkKed


https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing

Scroll down a little ways for a very nice graph after long discussion of why this is important. I’m adding this to my bookmarks.

That said, it’s totally plausible that CA (especially!) and NY stomping hard on things could level off the acceleration, and the rest of the country will hot-spot it up to start things going. Honestly I feel like much of the country is at like 40%-60% social distancing. No way to judge if that’s enough, though the CDC transmission rate estimates this morning were a punch in the gut.

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Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:30:01am

re: #227 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And they need a bit more life experience to get blind idealism beat out of them.

The coming recession ought to wring the last shreds of that out of them right around the time they realize those dream jobs they thought they were going to be working after college…have been replaced with dead-end service industry jobs that they’ll work simply to keep up with the interest payments on their student loans.

But not to worry, I’m sure they’ll spend endless hours talking about how morally superior they feel for voting for Jill Stein…before being told to bore people on their own time, there’s orders that need to be filled.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:32:30am

re: #70 jaunte

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Republicans agree that the Constitution is a suicide pact.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:44:14am

re: #103 DesertDenizen

I don’t post here often, usually just lurking, but this is the only place I can vent about my idiot friends who keep pushing everyone they know to vote for Bernie so Biden doesn’t get the required 1991 delegates, forcing a brokered convention without superdelegates until the third round. They seem to believe that this will somehow result in the Democratic Party coalescing around their messiah. I’m too angered by their stupid naivete to even engage at this point. At least my state already voted.

Don’t worry about them; they are a pretty small minority.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:47:16am

re: #108 A Mom Anon

Someone tell me how we’re not fucked. Please?

Trump is vaguely aware that getting hundreds of thousands of Americans killed is bad for his reelection campaign. And we have some governors with some damn sense.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:02:32am

re: #232 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump is vaguely aware that getting hundreds of thousands of Americans killed is bad for his reelection campaign. And we have some governors with some damn sense.

Well, if he only listens to Fox he’s being told by Hannity, Kilmeade & Co. that HQC is still a miracle cure the Democrats don’t want people to use, he’s a great leader, and that the people are 100% behind him. And everyone directly around him is a sycophant unwilling to cross him or manipulative flatterer who will tell him the lies he wants to hear mixed with the poor advice intended to lead into the authoritative hellhole some desire to occur here.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:06:15am

re: #195 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

When I look out over the bay, there’s no sign of smog — been like that since the shelter in place. Very thin silver lining, huge cloud.

Shelter at home will not only save lives from the virus, but reduced air pollution as well.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:14:49am

re: #233 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Well, if he only listens to Fox he’s being told by Hannity, Kilmeade & Co. that HQC is still a miracle cure the Democrats don’t want people to use, he’s a great leader, and that the people are 100% behind him. And everyone directly around him is a sycophant unwilling to cross him or manipulative flatterer who will tell him the lies he wants to hear mixed with the poor advice intended to lead into the authoritative hellhole some desire to occur here.

Not entirely though. It seems Dr. Fauci got through to him that he couldn’t reopen the country on Easter.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:21:34am

re: #235 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Not entirely though. It seems Dr. Fauci got through to him that he couldn’t reopen the country on Easter.

I doubt it was Fauci - who I think is just tolerated for briefings because Trump has been told Fauci should be there. I think someone within his campaign structure somehow worded things so that he understood not being open at Easter would not be good for reelection purposes or his own bank account.

And don’t worry, that statement about Easter will be denied or goal-posted into something else within the next two days along with things being the fault of Biden and Obama. (I expect that we are now due to hear multiple “Sleepy Joe” references at every opportunity Trump has to speak for the next six months.)

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:25:00am

Watkins Glen, NY

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:51:02am

re: #229 Targetpractice

The coming recession ought to wring the last shreds of that out of them right around the time they realize those dream jobs they thought they were going to be working after college…have been replaced with dead-end service industry jobs that they’ll work simply to keep up with the interest payments on their student loans.

But not to worry, I’m sure they’ll spend endless hours talking about how morally superior they feel for voting for Jill Stein…before being told to bore people on their own time, there’s orders that need to be filled.

“Yeah, that’s nice you voted for Stein and all, but don’t forget the refried beans this time, OK?”

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Chrysicat  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:04:26am

Prompted by my defending the reveal in one of my Usenet trawls that the Spirited Away translators had misunderstood “seal” in the original because they’d never heard of sealing a document:

For me? I’ll bet into high school if not college. If you’re under some age I’m not sure of but is greater than 45, you just don’t run across clay seals, and wax to press them in, outside of tangential discussions in, say, history class.

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dell*nix  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:17:35am

re: #239 Chrysicat

If you watch enough Korean or Japanese dramas you will see where your personal seal is needed for legal documents. Or if you read the Vorkosegan books where it deals with seals and blood used as the agent. And of course the period films where you see them write with a quill pen and then scatter sand on it to soak up excess ink. And then use melted wax and a seal.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:19:17am

re: #240 dell*nix

If you watch enough Korean or Japanese dramas you will see where your personal seal is needed for legal documents. Or if you read the Vorkosegan books where it deals with seals and blood used as the agent. And of course the period films where you see them write with a quill pen and then scatter sand on it to soak up excess ink. And then use melted wax and a seal.

Don’t worry. Think how the younger generation feels about “dialing a number” on an phone when you just press (virtual) buttons.

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nowherenorth2  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:29:28am

So one of my friends posted on the insta “fuck Joe Biden” and I casually comment as a joke that I can’t comment on the image. He says to me in a pm “fuck Joe Biden,” calls me a lockstepping centrist, that Joe has been credibly accused of sexual assault and has a problematic past as well as a degenerating brain, and said Bernie was the best choice. He then stated that there are discrepancies between info gathered at exit polls and the votes themselves. He then said he was done with the DNC and is not a vote blue no matter who guy

I had to remind him that Bernie suspended his campaign but that his name still appears on the ballot. Also had to remind him that the DNC rules were rewritten with input by Bernie and his followers.
I then had to remind him that my shit was hitched to Warren’s campaign as she was better than others, and that there were better candidates in the DNC field than two old white men.

My question is the stuff he is spewing. Has there been any validity to the statements he has made? I figure he is just angey that his nominee wasnt chosen…again.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:34:52am

re: #242 nowherenorth2

So one of my friends posted on the insta “fuck Joe Biden” and I casually comment as a joke that I can’t comment on the image. He says to me in a pm “fuck Joe Biden,” calls me a lockstepping centrist, that Joe has been credibly accused of sexual assault and has a problematic past as well as a degenerating brain, and said Bernie was the best choice. He then stated that there are discrepancies between info gathered at exit polls and the votes themselves. He then said he was done with the DNC and is not a vote blue no matter who guy

I had to remind him that Bernie suspended his campaign but that his name still appears on the ballot. Also had to remind him that the DNC rules were rewritten with input by Bernie and his followers.
I then had to remind him that my shit was hitched to Warren’s campaign as she was better than others, and that there were better candidates in the DNC field than two old white men.

My question is the stuff he is spewing. Has there been any validity to the statements he has made? I figure he is just angey that his nominee wasnt chosen…again.

Others have commented further in depth on the rape allegation - and it looks to be on very hazy ground. The other allegations are pretty much standard crap tossed at Democrat candidates (see 2016) concerning health, competency, etc. etc.

Your friend sounds like they are just dredging for reasons to not vote for the Democrat in the election at this point without admitting that failing to do so is essentially supporting the continuation of the Trump shit show. Or not wanting to say they want the Trump shit show to continue for whatever reason.

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Jack Burton  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:41:33am

re: #242 nowherenorth2

Elizabeth Warren was all of the good parts of Bernie, with none of the baggage, combined with actual plans of how to get shit done and a realistic view on how much compromise would have to be made. That and she wasn’t an old white guy who people of color looked at with strong skepticism.

Bernie Bros hated her and called her the C-word. They are a fucking cult of personality. Asshats looking for a “ruler” to fix everything from the top because they, like the MAGAts think that’s how it works.

As for the “sexual assault” allegations, see Targetpractice’s post #214 above.

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Chrysicat  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:00:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:21:46am

re: #77 danarchy

How does the US compare vs the EU as a whole? Wouldn’t that be more of an apples to apples comparison as far as population numbers go? Also, unfortunately also comparable in disparity between response between member states.

I would just like to point out that Germany, with a population of nearly 83 million, has fewer cases and fatalities than New York State, with a population of less than 20 million

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jeffreyw  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:24:03am

Good morning!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:24:26am

re: #242 nowherenorth2

So one of my friends posted on the insta “fuck Joe Biden” and I casually comment as a joke that I can’t comment on the image. He says to me in a pm “fuck Joe Biden,” calls me a lockstepping centrist, that Joe has been credibly accused of sexual assault and has a problematic past as well as a degenerating brain, and said Bernie was the best choice. He then stated that there are discrepancies between info gathered at exit polls and the votes themselves. He then said he was done with the DNC and is not a vote blue no matter who guy

I had to remind him that Bernie suspended his campaign but that his name still appears on the ballot. Also had to remind him that the DNC rules were rewritten with input by Bernie and his followers.
I then had to remind him that my shit was hitched to Warren’s campaign as she was better than others, and that there were better candidates in the DNC field than two old white men.

My question is the stuff he is spewing. Has there been any validity to the statements he has made? I figure he is just angey that his nominee wasnt chosen…again.

Not really, no. Joe likes to hug and touch people, which makes some people uncomfortable, but the only assault charge comes from a Putin fan. No reason to think he has a brain problem either; certainly not on Trump’s level.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:27:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:28:07am

re: #126 b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)

So we are basically locked down until there is a countrywide vaccine available to all (for basic crap) …..a year from now, winter if we are hasty.

The good news is that Trump will do anything to try and save the economy/election. The only bright spot in this pandemic is that it is happening in an election year.

a quick and effective test would be a good start, a cure or effective treatment would also be good but a vaccine looks like it is absolutely necessary as “herd immunity” is not going to work with this one…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:28:41am

re: #136 jaunte

just a pic, no description!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:31:43am

re: #248 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Though you really shouldn’t try to make the case by comparing Trump to Biden with these people. It’s a “both sides do it” argument. (And arguing about degree of it doesn’t really help.)

And in the current political environment equivalency is essentially a loss for the Democratic cause. That simply opens up the skeptic to just say “Both parties are the same and I see no reason to vote for either.” which as we know is essentially a vote for Trump in the long run.

I have the impression that trying to convert these people* is a massive use of energy that would be more productively used towards GOTV issues, fighting against voter suppression, and supporting vote-by-mail initiatives now.

* - Based in part that I think “people” in this group are a mix of those that are trying to hold a meaningful discussion, those that are arguing for the sake of arguing and whose minds are fixed, those that are trolls just trying to “get a rise out of the libs”, and those that are deliberately trying to deflect and waste others time.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:33:40am

re: #250 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a quick and effective test would be a good start, a cure or effective treatment would also be good but a vaccine looks like it is absolutely necessary as “herd immunity” is not going to work with this one…

Though apparently a “quick and effective test” will probably be immediately seized by the Federal government, monetized for a Trump donor/lackey to profit from, and then doled out based on who is kissing Trump’s butt at the time. Which will not help get the country back on its feet anywhere near as quickly.

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ericblair  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:33:45am

re: #244 Jack Burton

Elizabeth Warren was all of the good parts of Bernie, with none of the baggage, combined with actual plans of how to get shit done and a realistic view on how much compromise would have to be made. That and she wasn’t an old white guy who people of color looked at with strong skepticism.

Bernie Bros hated her and called her the C-word. They are a fucking cult of personality. Asshats looking for a “ruler” to fix everything from the top because they, like the MAGAts think that’s how it works.

As for the “sexual assault” allegations, see Targetpractice’s post #214 above.

I was a Warren fan too. She was the go-to for the BernieBros in 2016 when they needed to tell people that they’ll “vote for a woman, just not THAT woman.” Once she actually threw her hat in the ring, well, she was an ex-Republican who was just there to split the progressive vote and blah blah blah.

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SteelPH  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:41:28am

re: #131 teleskiguy

Bold of you to assume I ever leave the house.
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Chrysicat  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:42:51am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:45:32am

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:47:49am

re: #254 ericblair

I was a Warren fan too. She was the go-to for the BernieBros in 2016 when they needed to tell people that they’ll “vote for a woman, just not THAT woman.” Once she actually threw her hat in the ring, well, she was an ex-Republican who was just there to split the progressive vote and blah blah blah.

I’ll always remember my introduction to Jacobin was they negatively compared Warren to Justice Brandeis and Sanders to Eugene Debs. Now I think if I’m in the early 20th century, SPUSA represents me best but Brandeis accomplished more than Debs did. FWIW I thought Harris got a raw deal from them too.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:50:18am

On this day in 1865, GEN Robert E. Lee realized his expectations had been inflated.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:57:23am

re: #22 i(m)p(each)sos

There is an entire corner of my FB feed - mostly younger and not especially well-informed people I know through a non-political hobby - who are riding the “Biden is a rapist and I won’t vote for him” train REALLY hard tonight.

I think they’re more noise than action, and in western NY our votes are meaningless anyway, but it still pisses me off that the ratfucking has worked THAT well.

people using a lame excuse like that were never voting for biden
they were just waiting for ‘the excuse’ to come along
they picked this one

coulda been any of a thousand things real, perceived, or made of whole cloth

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:02:15am

re: #32 EPR-radar

I know this is idiots being led by GOP/Russian ratfuckers, but if the accusations vs. Biden are accepted at face value, then the far more numerous and credible accusations vs. Trump must also be accepted. That makes Biden the better choice even if this is turned into a farcical single-issue thing.

see they are NOT both the same

dems at least consider policing their own - what do we do about our guy

R’s are how do we protect our creep from them so we can vote for him

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:04:48am

re: #260 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

people using a lame excuse like that were never voting for biden
they were just waiting for ‘the excuse’ to come along
they picked this one

coulda been any of a thousand things real, perceived, or made of whole cloth

If Biden loses by the electoral vote of 3 states, any strain of lame bullshit can be the explanation. Of course, that could never happen.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:12:43am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:14:52am

re: #120 jaunte

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People still too slow in figuring out how this aerosol transmission thing works

people are being told ‘it’s ok’

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:15:14am

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:16:20am

re: #122 William Lewis

My son cast his first vote on Tuesday. I am proud as fuck of him but I will not ask him how he voted for that reason. I hope my distrust of revolution while still being Socialist _and_ Christian will have left an influence.

i dont care how anyone actually votes
i care how they decide how to vote
that tells me everything i need to know

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:17:00am

Fond of this photo too.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:17:03am

re: #124 jaunte

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Conservatives won’t be able to adapt to this. The world has changed, and we must also.

they can do what they want
im not going out

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:19:24am

re: #135 DesertDenizen

Argle bargle gazpacho profit.
In all seriousness, this is what I want to ask them. Every other candidate has endorsed Biden, yet somehow Bernie can pull together a coalition? It makes no sense to me and I’m sure none of them can explain it. They all seem to confuse a slogan or idea with a plan.

and you say you dont have much to contribute!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:19:30am

In other news, Irony has just committed seppuku.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:20:07am

They tell us we need to risk endangering lives to save the economy.

So just how much of the 40% of America’s assets that the 1% own are they willing to part with before sending people to an avoidable death?

I would say that the answer is at or below 0%

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:21:22am

re: #270 Eclectic Cyborg

In other news, Irony has just committed seppuku.

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Everything and anything can be sacrificed for deflection in order to protect the God-King.
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:24:12am

re: #266 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

i dont care how anyone actually votes
i care how they decide how to vote
that tells me everything i need to know

Yeah I did a serious “Really dude” when my childhood best friend told me Biden was senile and I should check out YouTube which includes altered videos to make Biden look off. I’ve been watching quite a bit of Biden since I decided to vote for him in the Va primary. I’d prefer a younger candidate but he’s not senile and nor does he have dementia. As I said, that one really angers me having witnessed dementia. I’ll never forget my Nana telling my Dad she was glad she married him, 23 years after my grandfather passed. Nana had been one of my first babysitters and made me a photo album of my first two years. Seeing her get dementia was tough. It’s not a cheap political joke. Yeah I worried about Bernie’s age too but that’s because a 79 year old heart attack survivor with imo poor political delegation skills would be a bad potus.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:26:46am

re: #131 teleskiguy

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:29:03am

re: #177 William Lewis

Sorry to make you understand that you are as human as the rest of us and just as liable to sin. You have just cause to hate given how many who call themselves Christian have treated you. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t hate.

But go ahead, run away like you always do when someone stands up. Perhaps someday you’ll find a better way to handle your hate and fear.

My perception is with Anymouse on this. Tired of getting bullied by people who believe in supernatural beings. At least we can buy vodka on Sunday morning now, in Michigan.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:34:49am

Did I see that Gus passed away? That’s a shame. We weren’t close here but I did like chatting with him.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:35:56am

re: #276 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Did I see that Gus passed away? That’s a shame. We weren’t close here but I did like chatting with him.

Different Gus…a personal friend of Williams.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:40:19am

re: #277 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Different Gus…a personal friend of Williams.

Oh ok. Sorry about your friend William. It is so heartbreaking to see the stories of people losing loved ones and I blame Trump for how bad things have gotten.

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Florida Panhandler  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:41:02am

re: #270 Eclectic Cyborg

In other news, Irony has just committed seppuku.

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In other words, an international health organization is about to meet and try to explain a series of events leading to a pandemic to a personality-centered death cult that lives in an alternate universe apart from 98% of the world’s population.

Good luck with that.

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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:44:11am

I’m at 186,329 karma. I was hoping to catch 186,282, but it seems I blew through that.

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nowherenorth2  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:44:21am

Thanks everyone for discussing this with me. Just was wondering. I do keep my feelers out. I guess my only question left is had anyone seen anything about discrepancies in polls vs actual numbers?

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SerialUpDinger  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:49:52am

re: #169 calochortus

Flickr

An amazing day in a year of spectacular blooms. Asters and phacelias covering this slope and more.


I was there that year as well! One location in the park -the purple phacelias were so numberable that they appeared as a lake.

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steve_davis  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:52:30am

re: #117 gocart mozart

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re: #127 mmmirele

I hate big pharma, I hate insurance companies and I hate pharmacy benefit managers.

I have a drug, I’ve been taking it the better part of a decade: Dexilant, 1 capsule, 60 mg once a day. It is the one drug that keeps down my acid reflux. Apparently it is no longer covered under my employer’s insurance. So, instead of paying, say, $150.00 for a prescription that is not on the formulary, I am tossed to the damned wolves and have to pay out of pocket.

Express Scripts, the pharmacy benefit manager, says they can fill the prescription for $998/90 capsules, which works out to $11.09/capsule. They did not like me cussing them out when I told them what they could do with that.

Takeda, the manufacturer, will give me a discount that brings the cost to $745.80, or $8.29/capsule. Not good, Takeda, not good.

GoodRx offers a coupon that brings the cost down to $622.64 or $6.92/capsule.

This is completely ridiculous. This is a necessary medication for me, in the sense that I have gone to the ER with chest pains that turned out to be acid reflux, they were that bad. And oh, I can appeal this, but HEY, I have to get my doctor involved, it took me 10 days and two tries to get their attention on this refill, so you know how successful that’s going to be right now. I don’t have to mention “pandemic,” “isolation” and all that, right?

Thing is, I can gut it up and buy this medication, and probably will, because, to be blunt, I don’t ever want to be writhing in that much pain ever again. But I think about the people who are rationing insulin because Humalog, etc., has gone through the roof and it’s like, we’re all being screwed out here. And of course, my congressman doesn’t give a flying fuck about his constituents, but would rather promote Boeing making masks and Procter & Gamble (seriously, yesterday it was Boeing, today, P&G). Not helpful, Andy Biggs, not helpful. I bet your congressional insurance covers my drugs.

I’m just having to get used to the idea that I will have to shell out $622.64 to buy a prescription that has cost me only $150 to fill in the past. Fuck.

*And, theoretically, there’s been an FDA approved generic for nearly three years, but it’s still unavailable.

you may have already tried this, but the thing that finally killed my acid reflux was elevating the head of my bed by about 3-4 inches. I apparently have a ridiculously cheap grease trap installed in the esophagus, so that’s the only thing that keeps the acid from coming up. Still, it works! Two weeks or so after I did this, I stopped needing Pepcid, stopped having moments driving around in sales where I thought someone was pushing a knife through my chest.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 9, 2020 • 5:58:50am

re: #270 Eclectic Cyborg

In other news, Irony has just committed seppuku.

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Fucking children…we weren’t wrong, you were wrong.

Also known as, “Why didn’t you save us from ourselves?”

Also, too, the mortality rate is running weall north of the 3.2% WHO estimate, so maybe they were wrong there. I don’t want hear about a sub 1% mortality rate until that shit is proven with testing somewhere.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:01:45am

re: #252 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Though you really shouldn’t try to make the case by comparing Trump to Biden with these people. It’s a “both sides do it” argument. (And arguing about degree of it doesn’t really help.)

And in the current political environment equivalency is essentially a loss for the Democratic cause. That simply opens up the skeptic to just say “Both parties are the same and I see no reason to vote for either. which as we know is essentially a vote for Trump in the long run.

I have the impression that trying to convert these people* is a massive use of energy that would be more productively used towards GOTV issues, fighting against voter suppression, and supporting vote-by-mail initiatives now.

* - Based in part that I think “people” in this group are a mix of those that are trying to hold a meaningful discussion, those that are arguing for the sake of arguing and whose minds are fixed, those that are trolls just trying to “get a rise out of the libs”, and those that are deliberately trying to deflect and waste others time.

while the bold part might be true (it isnt), the bold italics part is lazy bullshit

of course in some ways the parties are the same

there is a huge list of reasons to vote D vs ‘abstaining’

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:03:47am

re: #284 Mike Lamb

Fucking children…we weren’t wrong, you were wrong.

Also known as, “Why didn’t you save us from ourselves?”

They need new enemies for their base to hate and blame: first all those “liberal elitist” doctors who are “blocking” Trumps miracle cure, and now an international council of scientists who refuse to bend their results to fits Trump’s narrative

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i(m)p(each)sos  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:11:26am

re: #280 Belafon

I’m at 186,329 karma. I was hoping to catch 186,282, but it seems I blew through that.

At light speed, you might say!

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Mattand  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:11:35am

re: #214 Targetpractice

Salon did a fairly even-handed article that lays out the case for why the whole “The media is suppressing this!” bit is likely BS, as is the accusation that Trust Us rejected representing her as a political “favor” to Biden. And yeah, that also means taking the piss out of the accusations that she’s a “Russian agent,” which I never really bought into though her rip-sawing between love and hate of Putin doesn’t help her case.

The discrepancies in her multiple versions of her story would be enough to invoke skepticism in me, but her lack of legal representation (she only wants a lawyer to run PR for her, not to take actual action against Biden), the fact that the only people who she says will back up her story are a brother and a friend who have only talked to pro-Bernie publications, and the additional discrepancies in her political advocacy (foreign and domestic) leads me to conclude that there’s something more below the surface. And that this stinks too much of Burisma, of someone wanting an investigation started for the purpose of saying Biden’s being investigated.

Thanks for posting that article. I’m curious to see how this is going to fly on the one far-left site I still check in with. They’re already making noises about not voting because two rapists running are running for POTUS. The fact that Amanda Marcotte wrote this should be interesting, because IIRC, she’s considered a strong liberal voice.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:12:51am

Fear of re-infection in recovered patients is also growing in China, where the virus first emerged last December, after reports that some tested positive again — and even died from the disease — after supposedly recovering and leaving hospital. There’s little understanding of why this happens, although some believe that the problem may lie in inconsistencies in test results.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:13:30am

re: #288 Mattand

Thanks for posting that article. I’m curious to see how this is going to fly on the one far-left site I still check in with. They’re already making noises about not voting because two rapists running are running for POTUS. The fact that Amanda Marcotte wrote this should be interesting, because IIRC, she’s considered a strong liberal voice.

Tell them to actually watch Biden speak too instead of someone on YT with an agenda to paint Biden as senile.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:13:59am

re: #289 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Well that’s horrifying.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:15:25am

re: #279 Florida Panhandler

In other words, an international health organization is about to meet and try to explain a series of events leading to a pandemic to a personality-centered death cult that lives in an alternate universe apart from 98% of the world’s population.

Kind of scary how this totally reads like the plot of a SyFy original movie.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:16:28am

re: #292 Eclectic Cyborg

Kind of scary how this totally reads like the plot of a SyFy original movie.

totally scary that they have to take this asshole and his admin ‘seriously’

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:16:41am

re: #289 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I still think this is largely due to issues with testing. Potentially worrying, but we really need more data to know for certain if this is happening or not.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:17:46am

re: #291 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well that’s horrifying.

That’s been in the news for a week or more. I think the testing noted is likely the cause but they’re doing studies.

The one day positive and the next day negative (within 24 hours), to me, is a problem with testing. But we’ll see.

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ericblair  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:18:57am

re: #289 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Fear of re-infection in recovered patients is also growing in China, where the virus first emerged last December, after reports that some tested positive again — and even died from the disease — after supposedly recovering and leaving hospital. There’s little understanding of why this happens, although some believe that the problem may lie in inconsistencies in test results.

Considering the unreliability of many of the tests exported out of China, yes, if you mistakenly test positive and then recover from whatever else you had, then really get COVID, you’re going to see this.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:18:58am

re: #270 Eclectic Cyborg

In other news, Irony has just committed seppuku.

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the WHO response to Pence’s ‘tough questions’: “We weren’t wrong. Anything else?”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:19:33am

re: #295 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That’s been in the news for a week or more. I think the testing noted is likely the cause but they’re doing studies.

The one day positive and the next day negative (within 24 hours), to me, is a problem with testing. But we’ll see.

True. It’s just agh. Can’t even describe the words.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:19:44am

re: #284 Mike Lamb

Fucking children…we weren’t wrong, you were wrong.

Also known as, “Why didn’t you save us from ourselves?”

Also, too, the mortality rate is running well north of the 3.2% WHO estimate, so maybe they were wrong there. I don’t want hear about a sub 1% mortality rate until that shit is proven with testing somewhere.

I think the mortality rate is lower than what the data might suggest because a lot of countries are doing sporadic testing focusing only on those who are seriously ill with symptoms. Obviously, a fair percentage of those people will probably die. The lack of testing combined with the fact it appears there are large number of asymptomatic carriers out there also tells me the death rate is probably lower than what can be determined based on current data.

But we still need to take this shit VERY seriously.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:20:49am

re: #294 Eclectic Cyborg

I still think this is largely due to issues with testing. Potentially worrying, but we really need more data to know for certain if this is happening or not.

Testing, data, and analyses are a threat to the Trump re-election. Those who will profit from it will gladly sabotage the efforts.

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Mattand  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:21:34am

re: #177 William Lewis

Sorry to make you understand that you are as human as the rest of us and just as liable to sin. You have just cause to hate given how many who call themselves Christian have treated you. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t hate.

But go ahead, run away like you always do when someone stands up. Perhaps someday you’ll find a better way to handle your hate and fear.

It’s not hate. It’s irritation, frustration, and anger. Big, big difference.

Also worth remembering Anymouse lives in a part of the country where it’s not out of the realm of possibility that someone will help him see the light by firebombing his house.

As I’ve said before, I’m in the allegedly godless liberal hellhole of the metro Philly area, and the looks of straight up anger and disgust I get for admitting to playing for the A-Team is always disconcerting.

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danarchy  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:21:39am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would just like to point out that Germany, with a population of nearly 83 million, has fewer cases and fatalities than New York State, with a population of less than 20 million

And California with a population of 40 million has 1/6th the cases of Germany.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:21:58am

re: #300 Decatur Deb

Testing, data, and analyses are a threat to the Trump re-election. Those who will profit from it will gladly sabotage the efforts.

Oh yeah, there are tons of corrupt cooks looking to spoil this broth.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:22:44am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:26:37am

re: #304 Dave In Austin

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:26:45am

re: #298 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

True. It’s just agh. Can’t even describe the words.

Deep breaths. Studies are pending. Stay home as much as you can. It’s going to be ok. Eventually.

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:27:49am

re: #213 Sherlock Hound

Eugenics gets worse: Tuskegee part Deux:

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And now the question is this - when inmates drop dead from taking an untested drug, do they blame it on the drug or COVID?

Or do they just not say anything?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:29:40am

re: #306 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Deep breaths. Studies are pending. Stay home as much as you can. It’s going to be ok. Eventually.

I’m fine. It’s just damned tough to read about all the deaths that could have been prevented if we had a functioning human being as POTUS rather than a needy shithead.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:29:48am

re: #307 makeitstop

And now the question is this - when inmates drop dead from taking an untested drug, do they blame it on the drug or COVID?

Or do they just not say anything?

What do they say about the children who have died in cages?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:29:59am

re: #307 makeitstop

And now the question is this - when inmates drop dead from taking an untested drug, do they blame it on the drug or COVID?

Or do they just not say anything?

This.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:30:04am

re: #307 makeitstop

And now the question is this - when inmates drop dead from taking an untested drug, do they blame it on the drug or COVID?

Or do they just not say anything?

This is my prediction. Either that, or they’ll just say it was a “sudden cardiac event” or “natural causes” or some bullshit.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:30:27am

re: #307 makeitstop

And now the question is this - when inmates drop dead from taking an untested drug, do they blame it on the drug or COVID?

Or do they just not say anything?

I think they won’t say anything or act like the inmates deserved to die.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:30:37am

re: #310 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This.

GMTA. Beat me by five seconds.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:31:36am

6.6 million new unemployment claims in the last week. Ouch. Over 17 million in the last four weeks.

washingtonpost.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:31:52am

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

GMTA. Beat me by five seconds.

It’s so obvious. 😉

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Kilroy was here  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:39:15am

re: #289 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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This information should be used to justify national vote by mail as a requirement for the next stimulus bill passing the house.

No one knows what the country will look like in November, as the normal flu season begins again, (if this virus is even seasonal) so plan for the worst.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:41:03am

re: #316 Kilroy was here

This information should be used to justify national vote by mail as a requirement for the next stimulus bill passing the house.

No one knows what the country will look like in November, as the normal flu season begins again, (if this virus is even seasonal) so plan for the worst.

Defending the November vote is the most important issue facing the country. And we don’t have an obvious path to it.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:41:09am

re: #301 Mattand

It’s not hate. It’s irritation, frustration, and anger. Big, big difference.

Also worth remembering Anymouse lives in a part of the country where it’s not out of the realm of possibility that someone will help him see the light by firebombing his house.

As I’ve said before, I’m in the allegedly godless liberal hellhole of the metro Philly area, and the looks of straight up anger and disgust I get for admitting to playing for the A-Team is always disconcerting.

Every existing nonbeliever is a pre-existing threat to many believers’ beliefs, just like the little kid who kept on explaining that the emperor was naked.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:43:47am

re: #147 gocart mozart

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And how many of those causes of death on Fucker’s list can I catch from my neighbor or a person I am standing beside in public?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:45:59am
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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:49:50am
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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:53:17am

re: #321 Belafon

Aging Wobblies: “It’s time for a general strike!!”

Coronavirus: “Gotcha covered.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:56:37am

This Pandemic is definitely changing the way we view the labor market.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:56:42am

“It’ll be gone by April.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:01:26am

(Via CBS)MEMPHIS, Tenn. — Easter Sunday will look a bit different in the Mid-South as local leaders urge residents to worship online or in the privacy of their own homes during the coronavirus pandemic.

On one of the biggest church-going weekends of the year, Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves wants people to worship and celebrate Easter at home. But ultimately, Gov. Reeves left the choice up to the people.

“In America and Mississippi, we’re not going to be the kind of government that shuts down worships,” he said.

After issuing his stay-at-home order, the governor called church leaders, who were resisting the change to let them know the order is temporary and only being issued to protect worshipers.

“I’ll be willing to cancel my service on Easter Sunday to give you that time until the 20th,” said Stanley Searcy pastor of the New Hope Vision Center in Natchez, Mississippi. “We don’t want to see any more Mississippians die.”

In Memphis, Mayor Jim Strickland, who previously called for harsher restrictions in neighboring counties, also asked residents to stay home due to safety concerns.

“It’s the right thing to do to protect our citizens and your congregation,” Strickland said. “This Easter, this Passover, we must come together to stay apart.”

After the latest pleas from government officials, it’s difficult to find any churches still planning to hold typical services.

Leaders hope Easter and the spiritual theme of loving one’s neighbor will transcend the global pandemic.

I have to say I am a bit surprised at this. I figured a lot of churches in this state would be all “Screw you, we’re still having Easter services!” but it looks like most of them realize this is serious and are responding appropriately.

Not bad for one of the most conservative states in the nation.

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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:01:28am

re: #324 Barefoot Grin

“It’ll be gone by April.”

We’re just not sure what “it” is.

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Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:02:24am

re: #263 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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By comparison, when Cpt. Crozier was pulled from command, wingnuts tried to accuse him of “blowing things out of proportion” because the confirmed number of infected was “only” 155 of a crew of 4000+.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:02:41am

re: #326 Belafon

We’re just not sure what “it” is.

Trump, ideally, but I know that’s a pipe dream.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:02:50am

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

This Pandemic is definitely changing the way we view the labor market.

Labor is still seen by many as nothing but a commodity, and the workforce not as a resource but as something to be minimized or eliminated wherever possible.

“The dignity of work” was jut a hollow GOP buzzword: if they meant it they would have also treated workers with enough degree of dignity to earn a living wage with humane benefits.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:03:49am

re: #324 Barefoot Grin

“It’ll be gone by April.”

“I would give myself a ten.” Fuck him.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:05:07am

re: #325 Eclectic Cyborg
.

I have to say I am a bit surprised at this. I figured a lot of churches in this state would be all “Screw you, we’re still having Easter services!” but it looks like most of them realize this is serious and are responding appropriately.

Not bad for one of the most conservative states in the nation.

>

No sign of truly sociopathic church leaders in Baja Alabama.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:06:32am

re: #327 Targetpractice

By comparison, when Cpt. Crozier was pulled from command, wingnuts tried to accuse him of “blowing things out of proportion” because the confirmed number of infected was “only” 155 of a crew of 4000+.

on a fucking warship where people live, eat and sleep elbow-to-elbow

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:07:03am

enjoy the day

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:09:35am

re: #247 jeffreyw

Good morning!

Good morning to you!

Smart birds keep their distance!
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Chrysicat  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:10:43am

I’m about to be blocked for this, I’m sure, by the OT, but it’s still sooo worth it to introduce a proper view of history to her followers:

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:13:14am

re: #311 Eclectic Cyborg

This is my prediction. Either that, or they’ll just say it was a “sudden cardiac event” or “natural causes” or some bullshit.

right
as the incarcerated death rate “mysteriously” skyrockets

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:13:29am

re: #335 Chrysicat

Too bad he was, or at least should have been, dead wrong. Treating them like rebels had historically been treated would likely have led to a LOT less PoC pain in the next century. Arguably the remainder of history, depending on if the Black person you ask thinks #CRAct worked.

The North was also fed up with the war and just wanted to put it all behind them and move on. “Reconciliation” was their main priority, even if it meant turning a blind eye to the way that the newly-freed slaves were being treated.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:16:52am

Fenian history of the Civil War:

“The South burned through its Irish immigrants before the North did.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:19:37am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Fenian history of the Civil War:

“The South burned through its Irish immigrants before the North did.”

True but I still have the Irish Brigade’s emblem on my right arm though.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:20:40am

re: #339 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

True but I still have the Irish Brigade’s emblem on my right arm though.

Put the other Irish Brigade on the left.

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:21:00am

re: #304 Dave In Austin

We don’t care if you die, get back to work.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:21:08am

It was easier for white Northerners to move on after the war. I think that’s the shame of how we understood Reconstruction for generations.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:22:07am

re: #325 Eclectic Cyborg

(Via CBS)MEMPHIS, Tenn. — Easter Sunday will look a bit different in the Mid-South as local leaders urge residents to worship online or in the privacy of their own homes during the coronavirus pandemic.

On one of the biggest church-going weekends of the year, Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves wants people to worship and celebrate Easter at home. But ultimately, Gov. Reeves left the choice up to the people.

“In America and Mississippi, we’re not going to be the kind of government that shuts down worships,” he said.

After issuing his stay-at-home order, the governor called church leaders, who were resisting the change to let them know the order is temporary and only being issued to protect worshipers.

“I’ll be willing to cancel my service on Easter Sunday to give you that time until the 20th,” said Stanley Searcy pastor of the New Hope Vision Center in Natchez, Mississippi. “We don’t want to see any more Mississippians die.”

In Memphis, Mayor Jim Strickland, who previously called for harsher restrictions in neighboring counties, also asked residents to stay home due to safety concerns.

“It’s the right thing to do to protect our citizens and your congregation,” Strickland said. “This Easter, this Passover, we must come together to stay apart.”

After the latest pleas from government officials, it’s difficult to find any churches still planning to hold typical services.

Leaders hope Easter and the spiritual theme of loving one’s neighbor will transcend the global pandemic.

I have to say I am a bit surprised at this. I figured a lot of churches in this state would be all “Screw you, we’re still having Easter services!” but it looks like most of them realize this is serious and are responding appropriately.

Not bad for one of the most conservative states in the nation.

they know science is real.
it just doesn’t help their usual arguments

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:22:37am

Vital Coronavirus Information Is Failing the Blind and Visually Impaired [VICE]

Several times a day, I search for coronavirus updates online, an increasingly grim and unconscious habit I’ve adopted over the last few weeks from the confines of my New York City apartment. I’m met with a barrage of charts, infographics, and transcripts of news conferences. I’m able to grasp the harrowing reality we’re in with just a few clicks. But for the blind and visually impaired communities, information from the government and news sources remains largely inaccessible, and in the midst of a global pandemic, this isn’t merely an inconvenience, it’s a fatal negligence.

There’s no shortage of news on the crisis, but it’s these charts and other data visualizations that we’ve all gravitated toward to easily absorb the state of the virus, our healthcare system, and our communities. But these graphs and spatial data we’re all obsessed with aren’t designed and published in a way that is accessible to blind people—and creating a tactile version of these charts, as stands, requires an accessible media specialist and access to expensive machinery.

More at link.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:22:50am

re: #340 Decatur Deb

Put the other Irish Brigade on the left.

That’s where my nautical compass and Great Grandfather’s immigration ship with my surname are. Soon to include the double V for Democracy at home and abroad and eventually a Slovenian linden tree.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:25:58am

re: #328 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump, ideally, but I know that’s a pipe dream.

if things are ‘back to normal’ i want to see trump out there mixing with the ‘regular people’ - the untested, unscreened masses. shaking hands in the crowds etc.

if he’s not willing to do that to lead by example, then ‘it’ isnt over.

if he’s stupid enough to do that, maybe he’ll catch it

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:27:26am

re: #341 jaunte

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We don’t care if you die, get back to work.

The federal government didn’t issue any “shutdown” orders, they’re not in charge here. Governors are no more likely to pay attention to him next week than they were last week.

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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:27:54am
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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:28:20am

re: #347 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

The task force will focus on contradicting doctors.

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Florida Panhandler  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:29:20am

re: #341 jaunte

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We don’t care if you die, get back to work.

This is start of an official genocide. The Trump Administration is now climbing onboard a deliberate genocide.

The past two days of headlines includes statistics that Coronavirus fatalities have affected Black and Latino populations much more than White or Asian demographics. The is great news for the Trump Campaign. It has also been great news for White Supremacists as internet chatter has increased about using the current pandemic as a tool for ethnic cleansing and winning elections.

Barr’s statements are part of the typical Trump “testing the waters” in his constant con game for reaction amongst the 35%. If he can secure his 35% cult to backing a re-opening of the economy with the basement-level understanding that this is a way to win political victory at the expense of human life they will do it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:29:24am

re: #349 jaunte

The task force will focus on contradicting doctors.

and economists…

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:29:32am

re: #349 jaunte

The task force will focus on contradicting doctors.

Which is what they’re doing now. What changes?

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:30:05am

re: #352 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Moar of the same.

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:30:54am

Clamping down on information:

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:31:33am

re: #349 jaunte

The task force will focus on contradicting doctors.

the task force will focus on contradicting the previous task force (pence) and the shadow one after that (kushner)

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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:31:45am

re: #352 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Which is what they’re doing now. What changes?

They can whine about no one listening to them. Then they can ask the Roberts court to override state orders.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:32:04am

The point will be to pit “sensible American patriots” who value the Work Ethic above all against “elitist scientists and doctors” who just want to make Trump look bad by wrecking the economy - something for which the lower classes of society will be made suffer a lot more than the upper echelons.

Because that is what social classes are for…

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:32:35am

re: #344 Teukka

Vital Coronavirus Information Is Failing the Blind and Visually Impaired [VICE]

More at link.

Anways, if you are in a situation where you run the risk of developing cabin fever, check out the local organizations for the blind and visually impaired to see whether there is something you can help with.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:32:37am

re: #350 Florida Panhandler

This is start of an official genocide. The Trump Administration is now climbing onboard a deliberate genocide.

The past two days of headlines includes statistics that Coronavirus fatalities have affected Black and Latino populations much more than White or Asian demographics. The is great news for the Trump Campaign. It has also been great news for White Supremacists as internet chatter has increased about using the current pandemic as a tool for ethnic cleansing and winning elections.

Barr’s statements are part of the typical Trump “testing the waters” in his constant con game for reaction amongst the 35%. If he can secure his 35% cult to backing a re-opening of the economy with the basement-level understanding that this is a way to win political victory at the expense of human life they will do it.

That genocide has been decades in design, prefabricated by poverty and exclusion. The bug just lit the fuse.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:33:04am

re: #348 Belafon

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It’s not going to be so easily forgotten. Trump is polling terribly for an incumbent President. It’s not over and we can’t get complacent but we can’t despair too over jackasses on Twitter. That said, my hope is Biden’s VP excites people. He has a lot of great women to choose from.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:33:57am

re: #346 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

if things are ‘back to normal’ i want to see trump out there mixing with the ‘regular people’ - the untested, unscreened masses. shaking hands in the crowds etc.

if he’s not willing to do that to lead by example, then ‘it’ isnt over.

if he’s stupid enough to do that, maybe he’ll catch it

He also wants “back to normal” so that he can start the stadium rallies back up.

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Chrysicat  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:34:54am

re: #354 jaunte

Clamping down on information:

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I swear I’m going to get on my iPad and draw up a Hangman plot that includes most of the letters from “dictatorship”—maybe even with an empty gibbet still to make the point of how fucking obvious it is…and start posting it as a response when I see a tweet like that.

Or should the word be “fascism” or “totalitarianism” instead?

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:35:28am

re: #362 Chrysicat

Mob tactics.

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:35:56am

Quid pro quo.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:36:01am

re: #361 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

He also wants “back to normal” so that he can start the stadium rallies back up.

Tampa beckons.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:38:25am

Time to fire up big-screen Civ4 and hit the hamster bike.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:41:31am
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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:45:11am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:46:41am

re: #368 Teukka

Petty. As. Fuck.

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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:47:20am

re: #354 jaunte

Clamping down on information:

“If you won’t broadcast our propaganda, we won’t let you access the people who we won’t let tell you the truth.”

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:48:23am

re: #354 jaunte

Clamping down on information:

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re: #368 Teukka

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Heh. GMTA and all that :)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:49:15am

Trying to restart the economy right now is like firing up the engines on the Titanic when the bow is steadily sinking under the water.

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Florida Panhandler  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:49:29am

re: #367 Ace-o-aces

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And a quick trip to the Obama Foundation Twitter presence reveals a ground-level organizational effort to link with and promote grass roots relief and support for communities affected by the pandemic.

Just more detachment from reality by the Trump Universe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:51:25am

re: #372 Eclectic Cyborg

Trying to restart the economy right now is like firing up the engines on the Titanic when the bow is steadily sinking under the water.

it will not happen, any economist will tell you that

people are going to avoid crowded concert and sports venues, theme parks, cineplexes, cruise ships, airports and airliners.

demand will be down everywhere as people are struggling just to cover basic expenses

nobody will want to risk expanding or creating new jobs

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:52:34am

re: #372 Eclectic Cyborg

Trying to restart the economy right now is like firing up the engines on the Titanic when the bow is steadily sinking under the water.

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teleskiguy  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:53:06am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:53:49am

re: #367 Ace-o-aces

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Hey look at me I’m an asshole on Twitter who just says uninformed bs hot takes.//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:55:33am

re: #367 Ace-o-aces

There’s literally an entire section of the Clinton Foundation website dedicated to outlining their efforts related to COVID-19.

I assume that the Trump Foundation is working on a bronze statue to honor the President’s outstanding efforts to combat the pandemic…

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:56:22am

Anyone else here who has noticed an uptick on Facebook regarding conspiracy theori-sh material regarding 5G and Corona as of late? I get a lot of suggestions to suspect videos on those two topics (including to Ben of the Corn).

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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 7:59:52am

re: #379 Teukka

Anyone else here who has noticed an uptick on Facebook regarding conspiracy theori-sh material regarding 5G and Corona as of late? I get a lot of suggestions to suspect videos on those two topics (including to Ben of the Corn).

They’ve been destroying 5G towers in England over it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:00:33am

re: #127 mmmirele

Remember when SCREW CROSS refused to pay for the IV’s I needed when I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. Wound up borrowing $800 on the Master Card for each IV until I was able to dump them for Kaiser…

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:00:58am

re: #380 Belafon

They’ve been destroying 5G towers in England over it.

I know. Which is why it was so unsettling to begin seeing conspiracy videos on the topic turn up in my video feed, together with Corona and other cray-cray stuff.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:02:29am

re: #336 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

right
as the incarcerated death rate “mysteriously” skyrockets

I doubt we’ll hear a word. Perhaps something anecdotal from a weeping mom here or there. Nothing else.

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:04:36am

re: #311 Eclectic Cyborg

This is my prediction. Either that, or they’ll just say it was a “sudden cardiac event” or “natural causes” or some bullshit.

You know who else died of “sudden illnesses” and “natural causes”, in scary huge numbers?

The victims of the Third Reich’s Euthanasia Program

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calochortus  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:04:48am

re: #282 SerialUpDinger

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I was there that year as well! One location in the park -the purple phacelias were so numberable that they appeared as a lake.

Absolutely amazing, wasn’t it. The only thing I’ve seen that was better was the superbloom in ( I think) 2004. We went to Death Valley and Anza Borrego. The blooms at the latter were literally overwhelming. After a couple days I almost couldn’t look at them any more.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:06:05am

re: #378 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume that the Trump Foundation is working on a bronze statue to honor the President’s outstanding efforts to combat the pandemic…

the trump foundation is an ex foundation
it has run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:07:07am

re: #383 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I doubt we’ll hear a word. Perhaps something anecdotal from a weeping mom here or there. Nothing else.

sadly, it depends on the numbers and whether anyone can connect the dots

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sagehen  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:07:25am

re: #342 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It was easier for white Northerners to move on after the war. I think that’s the shame of how we understood Reconstruction for generations.

And westward expansion made for a convenient distraction.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:10:06am

re: #387 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

sadly, it depends on the numbers and whether anyone can connect the dots

I can imagine that corrections authorities are going to find themselves under a lot of pressure to keep things low-key…don’t want to get Croziered…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:11:00am

re: #388 sagehen

And westward expansion made for a convenient distraction.

Yep.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:11:56am

re: #244 Jack Burton

Elizabeth Warren was all of the good parts of Bernie, with none of the baggage, combined with actual plans of how to get shit done and a realistic view on how much compromise would have to be made. That and she wasn’t an old white guy who people of color looked at with strong skepticism.

Bernie Bros hated her and called her the C-word. They are a fucking cult of personality. Asshats looking for a “ruler” to fix everything from the top because they, like the MAGAts think that’s how it works.

As for the “sexual assault” allegations, see Targetpractice’s post #214 above.

I had DSA members attack me for voting for Warren and they did use the “B” word in their attacks. And the “B” word they used wasn’t Biden, Bernie or Buttigieg!

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John Hughes  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:13:44am

re: #46 uriel

Swedish hospitals abandon trial of promising malaria drug chloroquine for coronavirus patients after it caused them blinding headaches, vision loss and agonising cramps

dailymail.co.uk

Ugh, the Daily Fail.

Well, like a stuck clock they can be right once in a while. Chloroquine is so horrible that I prefer to take Mefloquine (Lariam). So far I haven’t massacred any Vietnamese or Afghani villages. Hydroxychloroquine is supposed to be a bit easier to take, but it’s still nasty shit. The only thing that’s worse is malaria.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:14:17am

re: #379 Teukka

Anyone else here who has noticed an uptick on Facebook regarding conspiracy theori-sh material regarding 5G and Corona as of late? I get a lot of suggestions to suspect videos on those two topics (including to Ben of the Corn).

Yep. There were already conspiracy theories about 5G BEFORE this pandemic. The virus has now kicked things up to 11.

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LadyBehir  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:14:17am

Oh gawd. The conspiracies. Those deep swabs for “testing”? Those are implanting chips. Which will be activated with 5G. Yeah, that one actually came across my FaceBook feed.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:14:31am

re: #391 Joe Bacon 🌹

I had DSA members attack me for voting for Warren and they did use the “B” word in their attacks. And the “B” word they used wasn’t Biden, Bernie or Buttigieg!

They have a lot of sexism and racism issues. It’s why I tune out their crap.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:14:42am

re: #369 Eclectic Cyborg

Petty. As. Fuck.

Calculated.

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:17:24am

Oh that cat o mine….

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sagehen  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:19:55am

re: #372 Eclectic Cyborg

Trying to restart the economy right now is like firing up the engines on the Titanic when the bow is steadily sinking under the water.

I was thinking a drawing of just-before-a-tsunami, when there’s all those fish just lying there flopping around on the suddenly visible seabed. We need to send people with baskets to go collect them…

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:19:59am

re: #380 Belafon

They’ve been destroying 5G towers in England over it.

Try as I might, I can’t make ends meet on how cellular technology is causing a pandemic virus. But then I’m not a fucking conspiracy nut.

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:22:28am

re: #394 LadyBehir

Oh gawd. The conspiracies. Those deep swabs for “testing”? Those are implanting chips. Which will be activated with 5G. Yeah, that one actually came across my FaceBook feed.

Oh, that explains it, then. //

They should be glad that testing ratios suck!

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:24:45am

re: #392 John Hughes

Ugh, the Daily Fail.

Well, like a stuck clock they can be right once in a while. Chloroquine is so horrible that I prefer to take Mefloquine (Lariam). So far I haven’t massacred any Vietnamese or Afghani villages. Hydroxychloroquine is supposed to be a bit easier to take, but it’s still nasty shit. The only thing that’s worse is malaria.

rerun of m*a*s*h had the chloroquine episode on last night

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Mike Lamb  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:25:06am

re: #299 Eclectic Cyborg

I think the mortality rate is lower than what the data might suggest because a lot of countries are doing sporadic testing focusing only on those who are seriously ill with symptoms. Obviously, a fair percentage of those people will probably die. The lack of testing combined with the fact it appears there are large number of asymptomatic carriers out there also tells me the death rate is probably lower than what can be determined based on current data.

But we still need to take this shit VERY seriously.

It probably is. I am just sick of the predominantly right wingers who blithely assert that it is less than 1% (even as low as .2% and thus in line with all viruses) when that hasn’t been shown to be true anywhere in the real world. The fact is, we probably won’t ever know what the real mortality rate was, given evidence that China may have (and may still be) dramatically undercounting deaths, and there is a very good chance our death totals have been undercounted by thousands.

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:27:47am

Lincoln Project, out there landing body blows.

I like the sarcastic tone of this one. It’s got Rick Wilson’s fingerprints all over it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:28:13am

re: #394 LadyBehir

Oh gawd. The conspiracies. Those deep swabs for “testing”? Those are implanting chips. Which will be activated with 5G. Yeah, that one actually came across my FaceBook feed.

Yes, relatives are stupid enough to push that shit too…

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:33:57am
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told CNBC that he believed it was possible that the U.S. could open back up for business next month, following the effective halt of the economy because of coronavirus.

Said Mnuchin: “I think as soon as the president feels comfortable with the medical issues.”

nope. trumps ‘feelings’ arent any kind of valid criteria

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teleskiguy  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:38:12am
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mmmirele  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:40:13am

re: #381 Joe Bacon 🌹

Remember when SCREW CROSS refused to pay for the IV’s I needed when I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. Wound up borrowing $800 on the Master Card for each IV until I was able to dump them for Kaiser…

Yeah, I was *just* sitting here thinking about which credit card I could put this on which wouldn’t trigger either an outright decline or a fraud call. Banks are so sensitive these days. My brother ordered online some e-racing equipment (wheel, shifter, pedals) last week that cost just over $500. His credit card company called two minutes after the order was placed to make sure that the order was legit. Yeah, I could call phone banking and tell them a large transaction was coming through, but I’d have to wait on hold at least 20 minutes.

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calochortus  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:40:34am

re: #406 teleskiguy

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I believe that translates to: “Conservative voters should be able to vote by mail to make it easier for them. Liberals should not. They might cheat.”

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Kilroy was here  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:42:21am

Win the West: Alternative Facts v. Facts

BOOM!

Anthony Fauci is an excellent foil to Trump’s bullshit.

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Kilroy was here  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:48:25am

Hope Jim Jones did the catering.

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Chrysicat  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:49:36am

re: #354 jaunte

Clamping down on information:

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:50:08am

re: #406 teleskiguy

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the wonderful thing about ‘absentee ballots’ is that they are on paper.
the entire election is fully documented.
if you think there’s fraud, it should be easy to prove.

and let’s be clear, there’s only a couple of aspects of fraud
- someone else voted a person’s ballot
- a person who was not allowed to vote somehow received a ballot and voted it

signature mis-matching, issues with legit identification etc are not fraud issues

nor are they qualification issues
they are compliance issues

if the state cant ascertain whether someone has the right to vote, that doesnt mean they dont, nor should that be the default position

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:51:22am

re: #408 calochortus

I believe that translates to: “Conservative voters should be able to vote by mail to make it easier for them. Liberals should not. They might cheat.”

more clearly: “only people who vote for me should be able to vote by mail”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:52:17am

re: #413 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

more clearly: “only people who vote for me should be able to vote by mail”

“Only landowning white males should be allowed to vote!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:55:39am

re: #407 mmmirele

Yeah, I was *just* sitting here thinking about which credit card I could put this on which wouldn’t trigger either an outright decline or a fraud call. Banks are so sensitive these days. My brother ordered online some e-racing equipment (wheel, shifter, pedals) last week that cost just over $500. His credit card company called two minutes after the order was placed to make sure that the order was legit. Yeah, I could call phone banking and tell them a large transaction was coming through, but I’d have to wait on hold at least 20 minutes.

Once upon a time I had a collection of 500+ chess books. Many of them were rare editions. I had to sell them to pay for the IV’s…meanwhile the corporate beancounter examiner who denied my claims got incentive payments from SCREW CROSS. The more claims denied the bigger the bonus.

SCREW CROSS actually gave the examiners who denied the most claims yearly prizes like a cruise, a week at Club Med, trip to London or Paris…while I suffered for 10 fucking months…

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:55:49am

re: #414 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Only landowning white males who vote for me should be allowed to vote!”

gotta be accurate there….

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 8:56:55am

re: #415 Joe Bacon 🌹

Once upon a time I had a collection of 500+ chess books. Many of them were rare editions. I had to sell them to pay for the IV’s…meanwhile the corporate beancounter examiner who denied my claims got incentive payments from SCREW CROSS. The more claims denied the bigger the bonus.

SCREW CROSS actually gave the examiners who denied the most claims yearly prizes like a cruise, a week at Club Med, trip to London or Paris…while I suffered for 10 fucking months…

matt damon / danny devito - The Rainmaker

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:00:56am

re: #414 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Only landowning white males should be allowed to vote!”

That is precisely what the John Birchers preached and the GOP elite has always wanted and Paul Weyrich the architect of the Xtian Right said this in 1980 before his fellow Xtians!

Paul Weyrich - “I don’t want everybody to vote” (Goo Goo)

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teleskiguy  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:01:23am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:01:46am

An epidemiologist has broken down why deliberately getting infected with the coronavirus in a bid to become immune after recovery is a “really horrible idea right now.”

“It is all about how much we just don’t know yet,” warned Greta Bauer, a professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at Western University in London, Ontario, in a column for The New York Times published Wednesday.

Bauer listed seven reasons why people should not attempt to contract the virus on purpose, noting how some people have considered avoiding social distancing or hosting parties where they can expose themselves to the disease.

Immunity “isn’t a sure thing” and “reinfection could be possible,”
Bauer said.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:03:20am

re: #420 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Immunity “isn’t a sure thing” and “reinfection could be possible,”

Nor have we had enough time to see if immunity lasts.

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Chrysicat  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:03:30am

re: #127 mmmirele

I feel you. I was theoretically under control on Aciphex (though possibly needing some Reglan to always clear the esophagus), but my insurer for the past three years feels that there are so many over the counter PPIs already that it has taken all prescription acid reflux controllers off the formulary. And I haven’t been able to afford that so I’ve just allowed the erosion to get worse since then because it didn’t seem they had an appeal process (especially since this was a marketplace plan and thus likely inherently-inferior to an employer one anyway).

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Teddy's Person  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:07:17am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:12:00am

re: #421 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nor have we had enough time to see if immunity lasts.

This. FUCKING THIS.

Most cases haven’t even fully RECOVERED YET. It’s going to take awhile before we get long term data on immunity. I know Trump and his ilk wants this fixed yesterday but that’s just not how it works when dealing with a new disease.

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mmmirele  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:16:10am

re: #415 Joe Bacon 🌹

Once upon a time I had a collection of 500+ chess books. Many of them were rare editions. I had to sell them to pay for the IV’s…meanwhile the corporate beancounter examiner who denied my claims got incentive payments from SCREW CROSS. The more claims denied the bigger the bonus.

SCREW CROSS actually gave the examiners who denied the most claims yearly prizes like a cruise, a week at Club Med, trip to London or Paris…while I suffered for 10 fucking months…

I told the agent at Express Scripts and her manager that I understood how this worked, that Express Scripts worked with my employer to maximize its profit while minimizing my employer’s costs and that meant screwing over people like me, making us jump through more hoops, etc. Again, while I consider Dexilant necessary (because I do know what it’s like when I don’t have it and the heartburn is insane), I don’t quite consider it in the same class as my coworker who had to fight with Express Scripts so that she could get Novalog (an insulin for Type 2 diabetes). Express Scripts wanted her to use Humalog, which makes her break out into bloody blisters. She got it finally. I suppose this would be better if I had a better doctor, but trying to get into a new practice right now is, well…weird.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:19:23am

who’da thunk…. (But I think the same is true here as well.)

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian retailers have seen a sharp spike in alcohol sales in recent weeks, with consumers rushing to buy vodka, whisky and beer at a time when Moscow and other regions have imposed partial lockdowns to stem the spread of the coronavirus.
In the last week of March, vodka sales across Russia’s largest retail chains jumped 31% in year-on-year terms, while whisky and beer purchases increased 47% and 25% respectively, Nielsen, a market research firm, found.

reuters.com

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:20:07am

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:21:13am

Halifax, Nova Scotia

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:22:09am

re: #425 mmmirele

I suppose this would be better if I had a better doctor, but trying to get into a new practice right now is, well…weird.

Everything’s telemedicine right now except where it 100% cannot be. And unfortunately the majority of them require an iOS or Android app….

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:23:05am
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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:23:47am

re: #427 Omar Comin’ Yo

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More than likely ‘shopped.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:24:40am

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:24:41am

re: #431 Belafon

link at bottom. Created. You can do one too.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:28:55am

re: #425 mmmirele

I told the agent at Express Scripts and her manager that I understood how this worked, that Express Scripts worked with my employer to maximize its profit while minimizing my employer’s costs and that meant screwing over people like me, making us jump through more hoops, etc. Again, while I consider Dexilant necessary (because I do know what it’s like when I don’t have it and the heartburn is insane), I don’t quite consider it in the same class as my coworker who had to fight with Express Scripts so that she could get Novalog (an insulin for Type 2 diabetes). Express Scripts wanted her to use Humalog, which makes her break out into bloody blisters. She got it finally. I suppose this would be better if I had a better doctor, but trying to get into a new practice right now is, well…weird.

I doubt it. Insurance companies are the absolute devil, and all of us have to bow and scrape to them. Like every other system in the US, the health system is designed to take as much public money as possible and give it to rich people. The only reason anyone is actually helped by the healthcare system at all is because doctors and nurses give a shit.

I’m sorry your insurance company has, once again, prioritised its profits over your health. That is our reality. I hope this crisis provides an opportunity to change it.

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:29:01am

It’s only a question of time before the PPE shortage and using it for extortion purposes will have more effects of this kind:
Doctor who pleaded for more hospital PPE dies of coronavirus [The Guardian]

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:31:29am

re: #430 Dr Lizardo

Gorillaz dropped a new video.

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Video

Totally sounds like New Order! Put Hooky on a track and it’s inevitable.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:32:07am

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:33:33am

These assholes…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:34:14am

re: #433 Omar Comin’ Yo

link at bottom. Created. You can do one too.

Yep. Another way to waste time during quarantine.

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mmmirele  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:35:01am

re: #422 Chrysicat

I have a scrip for Reglan as well, not so much for the esophagus, but to get my stomach digesting. (I once was strapped to a narrow board inside a PET scanner while a bored technician tried to figure out how long it was taking my stomach to digest a radioactive egg, that would be 2 hours.) I try not to take it unless I absolutely have to, because tardive dyskinesia is a nasty side effect. So I eat smallish meals and try to stop early so that my stomach has enough time to digest before bed.

When I had a gap in prescriptions (again, due to the doctor not responding to a request for a refill) and tried to take OTC Nexium. NOPE.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:38:17am

re: #420 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Starting to sound a little like chicken pox, shingles, etc.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:38:19am

re: #437 Anymouse 🌹🏡

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:39:48am

A Swedish tabloid has begun to lift stones and shining lights on the antivaxxers and other grifters seizing the opportunity to spread their poison during the ongoing Coron crisis.
Vaccines: How opponents take advantage of the Corona Crisis [Expressen, Swedish]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:40:08am

re: #441 Mike Lamb

Starting to sound a little like chicken pox, shingles, etc.

I have regular bouts with shingles, usually in summer when my system is stressed from too much heat and not enough sleep

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Mike Lamb  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:40:27am

re: #438 makeitstop

These assholes…

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That seems like a stupid mailer. Is there a Trump supporter that thinks “Oh, they screwed over Bernie…that means I should donate more money than I otherwise would have to Trump!”?

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peguyjaures  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:41:40am

A little dispatch from France… In th elast few days, I’ve been battling what might have been a moderate case of Covid-19 (many symptoms in line with this - but there is another possibility, I won’t get into the details here..). Anyways, whatever it was, I’m now recovering well…

I wanted to add my 2-cents to the choloroquine debate. Didier Raoult who is pushing it in France has a questionable character, but he is no quack doctor - in fact he is a leading virologist and infectiologist since the 80s, with quite a few major discoveries to his name (he had a part in the discovery of megaviruses), and his institute in Marseille is a major research center in the field. But even he is not claiming chloroquine would be a miracle cure: what he is advocating in in fact a much larger protocol of widespread testing and early detection on cases, and antiviral treatment of early cases right from the onset of symptoms and ideally even before. It might really work when done this way - in fact Raoult’s institute developed the tests and ramped up its testing capability early on, and it does seem to bear fruit. After the SARS epidemic in 2003, Raoult was commissioned by the governement to write a report, and the preparedness policy he avocated back then makes much sense: equip major hospitals in every region of France with a dedicated institute for infectious diseases in order to quickly detect the first cases of an epidemic and produce accurate tests as soon as a new infectious agent is suspected - and then do contact-tracing. If this report had been heeded back then, things could be rather different now.
So in the end chloroquine might well be proven to work, but in any case ONLY at the early stages of the illness and in conjunction with a robust testing and case-tracking policy - and this is definitely NOT what Trump is doing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:42:09am

re: #445 Mike Lamb

That seems like a stupid mailer. Is there a Trump supporter that thinks “Oh, they screwed over Bernie…that means I should donate more money than I otherwise would have to Trump!”?

The way that letter is written is to discourage Bernie supporters from voting for Biden.

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:42:22am

re: #445 Mike Lamb

That seems like a stupid mailer. Is there a Trump supporter that thinks “Oh, they screwed over Bernie…that means I should donate more money than I otherwise would have to Trump!”?

I don’t think it’s even so much intended to raise money. I think it’s targeted at those Bros who want a reason to be pissed off.

They want to stoke that rage. And if they pick up a few bucks while doing that, it’s just gravy.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:43:12am

re: #438 makeitstop

These assholes third graders…

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:44:41am

re: #435 Teukka

And I’d expect that the British government would do a better job of making sure its healthcare workers had the protective equipment they needed but here we are.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:45:13am

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:45:31am

LA Mayor Garcetti has ordered everyone to wear a mask going outdoors. If they try and enter a business without a mask they can be blocked from entering.

Amazon telling me it’s going to take a minimum of 4 weeks to get masks so I’m gonna be stuck in my apartment for a while…

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William Lewis  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:45:47am

re: #430 Dr Lizardo

Gorillaz dropped a new video.

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It’s a good tune, but I loved the bit with the toon characters in front of a green screen. LMFAO.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:47:18am

re: #447 Joe Bacon 🌹

The way that letter is written is to discourage Bernie supporters from voting for Biden.

I’m sure real Bernie supporters loved the Crazy Bernie stuff. That’s the way to win over supporters. Yup yup yup. 🙄

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:48:14am

re: #446 peguyjaures

Unfortunately, Conservatives here (who originally downplayed the seriousness of the Coronavirus) are pushing that as a quack cure. The public at large has no reason to believe them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:48:29am

re: #454 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m sure real Bernie supporters loved the Crazy Bernie stuff. That’s the way to win over supporters. Yup yup yup. 🙄

Berniebots are on Twitter and Facebook already quoting that letter saying that’s why they will not vote for Biden.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:48:50am

re: #452 Joe Bacon 🌹

LA Mayor Garcetti has ordered everyone to wear a mask going outdoors. If they try and enter a business without a mask they can be blocked from entering.

Amazon telling me it’s going to take a minimum of 4 weeks to get masks so I’m gonna be stuck in my apartment for a while…

make one - they’re not gonna care what kind it is
all over youtube
from a t-shirt or a sock or whatever

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sagehen  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:51:01am

re: #457 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

make one - they’re not gonna care what kind it is
all over youtube
from a t-shirt or a sock or whatever

Just don’t use a red or blue bandana.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:51:09am

re: #456 Joe Bacon 🌹

Berniebots are on Twitter and Facebook already quoting that letter saying that’s why they will not vote for Biden.

They were gonna vote for trump no matter then. The vast majority will not.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:51:26am

re: #442 Joe Bacon 🌹

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:51:32am

re: #456 Joe Bacon 🌹

Berniebots are on Twitter and Facebook already quoting that letter saying that’s why they will not vote for Biden.

like i said upthread somehere
they dont need a reason to not vote biden. they never were or would

they just need a reason to use
it doesnt have to be true or make sense

like i also said above
i dont care how you vote
i care how you decide how to vote

and this kind of nonsensical thinking tells me all i need to know

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:51:46am

re: #458 sagehen

Just don’t use a red or blue bandana.

How about a black one?

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:54:48am

re: #459 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

They were gonna vote for trump no matter then. The vast majority will not.

today’s electoral-vote.com

However, Joe Biden’s advisers believe Biden will have an easier job than did Clinton. First, Biden has already incorporated some of Sanders’ ideas into his program, such as raising the minimum wage and free college for families making under $125,000. When talking to Sanders’ supporters, he can point out that Sanders had many good ideas and he is adopting some of them. Clinton never really did that, beyond coming quite late to the $15/hour-minimum-wage party.

Second, the primaries this year were far less contentious than in 2016. Biden has gone to enormous lengths to praise Sanders, complimenting his passion and tenacity. Nor did Biden even suggest that Sanders should leave the race, so the Senator’s supporters may ultimately be persuaded Sanders left because the situation was hopeless, not because Biden and the DNC forced him out.

Third, Democrats really, really hate Donald Trump. Many of Sanders’ supporters believe that a second Trump term would devastate the country, so they may be willing to hold their noses and vote for Biden. In 2016, most of them thought Clinton would win and they wanted to send her a message. It didn’t quite work out. This time many fewer Democrats are going to vote for Trump to send the Democrats a message thinking that Biden will win anyway.

One thing Biden can do is focus on issues that excite Sanders’ base…Biden can probably put together a platform that has enough progressive planks in it to keep the kids from jumping ship en masse, without scaring moderates.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 9:54:50am

re: #457 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

make one - they’re not gonna care what kind it is
all over youtube
from a t-shirt or a sock or whatever

The tee shirt one is the easiest. Cut 5” of the bottom of a thick tee shirt, slicer open one end, tire it around your face. You can get dance and cut a big U out of it so you have actual ties but it’s not needed. Heck, cut the bottom off the tee shirt and use two rubber bands with the band folded in three.

If anyone needs a pattern I’ll draw it up. Only a scissors is needed for the most basic mask.

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teleskiguy  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:00:29am
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stpaulbear  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:01:22am

re: #387 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

sadly, it depends on the numbers and whether anyone can connect the dots

And whether the bodies are cremated before their remains are given back to the family.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:01:47am
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peguyjaures  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:02:16am

re: #455 Patricia Kayden

Unfortunately, Conservatives here (who originally downplayed the seriousness of the Coronavirus) are pushing that as a quack cure. The public at large has no reason to believe them.

I know - and it sure won’t work this way. If any anti-viral drug is found to work, it would be effective at the onset of the infection - and therefore useless without widespread testing.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:03:33am

re: #467 Charles Johnson

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JFC

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:05:34am

re: #465 teleskiguy

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:05:44am

re: #467 Charles Johnson

Wow. When did the attorney general get a degree in medicine?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:08:28am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:08:41am
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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:09:25am

re: #473 Dr Lizardo

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[sarc]Wonderful. Simply wonderful.[/sarc]

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:10:32am

re: #473 Dr Lizardo

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Great.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:10:36am

re: #471 Ace Rothstein

Wow. When did the attorney general get a degree in medicine?

Go ahead Attorney General Fat Fuck! Eat that Hyrdoxychloroquine like it was M&Ms and see what it does to your sleazy self!

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:11:45am

re: #474 Teukka

re: #475 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Not a huge surprise though. I figured it’d be somewhere between the Great Recession and the Great Depression.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:12:58am

re: #473 Dr Lizardo

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6 million last week
6 million this week
6 million next week and brainwashed Xtians will still deny that Trump is the Antichrist!

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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:17:36am
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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:17:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:18:24am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:18:47am

Looks like the Crossroads Mall in Omaha, Nebraska is slated to be demolished in the next 30 or so days. A victim of the coronavirus crisis, it seems.

CROSSROADS OMAHA TO BE DEMOLISHED? A Dead Mall That Meant So Much - Immortar News

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:18:50am

re: #399 makeitstop

Try as I might, I can’t make ends meet on how cellular technology is causing a pandemic virus. But then I’m not a fucking conspiracy nut.

They’re is coordination between cell towers and the windmills giving us cancer. We are doomed.

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stpaulbear  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:20:20am

re: #440 mmmirele

I have a scrip for Reglan as well, not so much for the esophagus, but to get my stomach digesting. (I once was strapped to a narrow board inside a PET scanner while a bored technician tried to figure out how long it was taking my stomach to digest a radioactive egg, that would be 2 hours.) I try not to take it unless I absolutely have to, because tardive dyskinesia is a nasty side effect. So I eat smallish meals and try to stop early so that my stomach has enough time to digest before bed.

When I had a gap in prescriptions (again, due to the doctor not responding to a request for a refill) and tried to take OTC Nexium. NOPE.

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re: #127 mmmirele

This is kind of a hokey suggestion for a bit of relief, but I used to get some help from reflux by taking a 1/2 tsp of baking soda in a glass of water (the directions may still be on the box of Arm & Hammer). It’s not a medical solution and it tastes awful, but it did help me.

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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:20:23am
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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:21:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:21:57am

re: #482 Dr Lizardo

Looks like the Crossroads Mall in Omaha, Nebraska is slated to be demolished in the next 30 or so days. A victim of the coronavirus crisis, it seems.

Lots of commercial property is going to be abandoned/demolished before things calm down

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:22:13am
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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:23:02am

re: #446 peguyjaures

I’ve been trying to dig up anywhere fatalities are dramatically reduced with the use of quinine compounds. With Tamiflu, even though only 30% to 40% effective the results show up fast in any cohort including a placebo. Or any metadata study looking back where it is used. Of course it has to be given early.

Methinks it’s not working nearly as well as even Tamifu. This link makes it easier to track ongoing studies. clinicaltrials.gov

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teleskiguy  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:26:45am

It’s times like these where I just want to sit in a kiddie pool and eat a hot fudge sundae with nuts.

Giphy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:29:38am

re: #479 gocart mozart

Beautiful and somewhat haunting.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:32:21am

re: #488 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Particularly when the federal gov’t has done nothing to help. It hasn’t issued a national stay at home order. No intranational travel restrictions. Limited restrictions on international travel. Complete clusterfuck in terms of obtaining/distributing PPE, ventilators, etc. etc.

It’s been state, county, and city officials that have gotten this done in spite of the federal gov’t.

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:34:26am

When shopping Amazon fresh is a lot like Trump telling the truth

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:39:00am

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

My knowledge of the Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Arabic languages is practically non-existent. But could someone tell me where in the Torah, Talmud, Gospels, Quran, there is a discussion of hydroxychloroquine and how it is a holy sacrament? Or is that only in the church of Trump which demands both financial and human sacrifice to sustain it?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:41:48am

re: #494 Hecuba’s daughter

My knowledge of the Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Arabic languages is practically non-existent. But could someone tell me where in the Torah, Talmud, Gospels, Quran, there is a discussion of hydroxychloroquine and how it is a holy sacrament? Or is that only in the church of Trump which demands both financial and human sacrifice to sustain it?

Yeah we get it Bill, Trump is your meal ticket to an American Orban.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:44:15am

re: #493 Rightwingconspirator

This is a big part of why I’m still doing my own grocery shopping. Saving delivery slots for those who really can’t go out for whatever reason.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:46:53am

Cats can catch coronavirus, study finds, prompting WHO investigation

Fits right in with my comments on zoonotic diseases.

(Reuters) - Cats can become infected with the new coronavirus but dogs appear not to be vulnerable, according to a study published on Wednesday, prompting the WHO to say it will take a closer look at transmission of the virus between humans and pets.

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:57:02am

re: #431 Belafon

More than likely ‘shopped.

or 2600

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danarchy  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:57:27am

re: #451 Eclectic Cyborg

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is it just me or is that current deaths number off by almost 40000

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Florida Panhandler  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:43:15pm

re: #405 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

nope. trumps ‘feelings’ arent any kind of valid criteria

I bet an army of insurance companies are going to have a say in whether or not Trump opens up the economy or not. -especially with the common knowledge that exposure at a workplace could really make for an interesting series of lawsuits. ..and wrongful termination suits as well for workers who refuse to report for work.

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Florida Panhandler  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:55:09pm

re: #438 makeitstop

If someone 10 years ago were to tell you that a sitting President wrote that letter you would be laughed right out of any civilized discussion.

“No way a 3rd Grader-level intellect could ever win the Presidency.” -any sane person.

What a fucking embarrassment this guy is.


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