Mike Pence Is Blocking Top Health Experts From Appearing on CNN

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The only people giving the public relatively good information are now being prevented from doing so.

Mike Pence is forbidding experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx from appearing on CNN unless CNN airs Donald Trump’s sleazy campaign events dressed up as press conferences in full, including all the dumbass nonsense and conspiracy theories Trump spews.

It looks more and more like they’re deliberately trying to get people killed.

Vice President Mike Pence’s office has declined to allow the nation’s top health officials to appear on CNN in recent days and discuss the coronavirus pandemic killing thousands of Americans, in an attempt to pressure the network into carrying the White House’s lengthy daily briefings in full.

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:32:04am

Someone is afraid of being asked hardball questions? Not ///

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:33:47am

Hmm… CNN returning fire?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:37:29am

trying to keep on top of a narrative that is spiraling out of control…

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:38:31am

When saying it’s wise to wait for study results (like every credible expert in about any field will tell you) before you tout the drug as a cure is a “jihad” against the drug you live in the Outer Limits of the Twilight Zone.

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:39:59am

CNN should tell them they’ll run the pressers only if they make Trump stay in the goddamn bathroom. He can live tweet, but that’s it.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:41:19am
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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:42:54am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:43:06am

It’s so fucking frustrating to see mainstream journalists uncritically parroting Trump’s excuses for his lies. “Aspirational” my pasty white ass.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:43:22am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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There’s no sign of the curve flattening soon and our mad orange despot wants to rush to reopen the economy.

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:45:10am

Fart Castles Deemed Aspirational By Access Journalists

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:45:46am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:46:22am

Every day the DC Press Corpse continues to prove how utterly useless they are!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:46:29am

Like the actual 21st century, the real-life apocalypse has turned out to be a disappointment to old-time sci-fi fans. I wanted zombies, alien invaders, or at least mushroom clouds, goddamnit!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:48:28am

I started this post about 2 hrs ago and then posted it on a dead thread.
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Cats can catch coronavirus, study finds, prompting WHO investigation

Fits right in with my comments on zoonotic diseases.

(Reuters) - Cats can become infected with the new coronavirus but dogs appear not to be vulnerable, according to a study published on Wednesday, prompting the WHO to say it will take a closer look at transmission of the virus between humans and pets.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:51:16am
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teleskiguy  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:51:17am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:51:23am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:53:09am

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Do it!
Do it!
Do it till you get real sick!

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:54:41am

From downstairs:

re: #408 calochortus

I believe that translates to: “Conservative voters should be able to vote by mail to make it easier for them. Liberals should not. They might cheat.”

Have mentioned this before but my personal knowledge of cheating involved an elderly aunt with dementia who was bedridden. She received a VBM form to complete, and one of her sons, who was an ardent Republican and knew his mother was a Democrat, voted straight Republican for her. She was totally unaware of the ballot or what happened.

OTOH, in 2008, we received a form for our mother, who also suffered from dementia. She had been a Hillary fan, hated Obama, and hated Palin. We did our best to persuade her that voting for McCain meant voting for Palin, but she was determined and so we marked the ballot in accordance with her wishes, For the rest of the ballot, she wanted the Democratic candidate, though she was unfamiliar with the nominees in the other races.

So my concern about VBM is someone else intercepting the ballot and voting illegitimately on behalf of the voter. And we know Republicans will be happy to do that.

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Teukka  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:56:15am

re: #14 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I started this post about 2 hrs ago and then posted it on a dead thread.
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Cats can catch coronavirus, study finds, prompting WHO investigation

Fits right in with my comments on zoonotic diseases.

I recall a docu on emerging diseases ages ago, either NatGeo or Discovery Science. It was a Coronavirus that jumped species at a pig farm where some of the pigs had their outing spot under a tree frequented by bats, bat feces appeared to have been the main vector. Pigs became sick human became sick, with fatalities.
It burned out before it could spread, less than a dozen infected, a handful of fatalities.
Which is why it irritates me to no end when the right-wingers bring up the exotic cuisine in China, when the information I have at hand is that bats are exotic even by Chinese cuisine standards. This disease may have jumped species simply because humans encroached on a bat habitat in the wrong way, not because the bats were food.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 10:59:12am

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

You can get arrested right now for congregating like that in most jurisdictions. Fucking morons.

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:00:43am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:03:07am

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Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:03:12am
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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:03:32am

re: #19 Hecuba’s daughter

From downstairs:

Have mentioned this before but my personal knowledge of cheating involved an elderly aunt with dementia who was bedridden. She received a VBM form to complete, and one of her sons, who was an ardent Republican and knew his mother was a Democrat, voted straight Republican for her. She was totally unaware of the ballot or what happened.

OTOH, in 2008, we received a form for our mother, who also suffered from dementia. She had been a Hillary fan, hated Obama, and hated Palin. We did our best to persuade her that voting for McCain meant voting for Palin, but she was determined and so we marked the ballot in accordance with her wishes, For the rest of the ballot, she wanted the Democratic candidate, though she was unfamiliar with the nominess in the other races.

So my concern about VBM is someone else intercepting the ballot and voting illegitimately on behalf of the voter. And we know Republicans will be happy to do that.

It’s a concern, but the increase in the number of voters will make up for it.

I dislike my brother enough I would have turned him in for that.

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sagehen  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:03:55am

re: #20 Teukka

Which is why it irritates me to no end when the right-wingers bring up the exotic cuisine in China, when the information I have at hand is that bats are exotic even by Chinese cuisine standards. This disease may have jumped species simply because humans encroached on a bat habitat in the wrong way, not because the bats were food.

Also irritating, complaints about “exotic cuisine” from people who eat alligator, rattlesnake and squirrel.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:03:58am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Wow. How can I get paid to do what he does all fucking day?

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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:05:34am

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. How can I get paid to do what he does all fucking day?

Be willing to be insufferable in public.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:08:07am

re: #28 Belafon

Be willing to be insufferable in public.

You know, if I could get seven figures for doing it, I might just be willing. MIGHT.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:09:47am

re: #25 Belafon

It’s a concern, but the increase in the number of voters will make up for it.

I dislike my brother enough I would have turned him in for that.

I mean, my great-aunt used to help fill out my great-grandmother’s ballot when she was essentially completely catatonic because of Alzheimer’s. Is this something that does happen? Yes, of course. But I don’t see a way around it that doesn’t also disenfranchise people and this is a problem that already exists under the current system.

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:09:59am

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:11:02am

re: #31 Omar Comin’ Yo

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:14:00am

re: #31 Omar Comin’ Yo

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:16:42am

Fauci and Brix should go on anyway. Fuck this shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:18:19am

re: #34 GlutenFreeJesus

Fauci and Brix should go on anyway. Fuck this shit.

If they want to risk getting Croziered.

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teleskiguy  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:19:07am
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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:21:22am

Lysistrata persuades the women of the warring cities to withhold sexual privileges from their husbands and lovers as a means of forcing the men to negotiate peace—a strategy, however, that inflames the battle between the sexes.
Written by‎: ‎Aristophanes

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Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:21:35am
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:22:38am

When your local weather map looks like this you know you are in for some heavy weather.
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A Mom Anon  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:23:19am

re: #16 teleskiguy

Shit. A great friend of mine and his wife who are in their 70s live there. As actual residents for about 40 years. I need to check on them.

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KGxvi  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:24:19am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

trying to keep on top of a narrative that is spiraling out of control…

something something tighter grip something something sand escapes something something…

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stpaulbear  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:26:48am

Grrr. It’s been snowing off and on in Twin Cities today. Nice fluffy flakes but it’s almost mid-f’ing-April.

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KGxvi  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:27:02am

re: #38 gocart mozart

Per CNN exit polls from 2016:

Men: Trump 52-41
Women: Clinton 54-41

So he’s lost a bit (margin of error not withstanding) among men, and is getting crushed among women.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:27:41am

re: #42 KGxvi

From Star Wars: “The more you tighten your grip Tarkin the more systems will slip through you fingers.” Princess Leia to Governor Tarkin

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:28:39am

re: #44 KGxvi

Per CNN exit polls from 2016:

Men: Trump 52-41
Women: Clinton 54-41

So he’s lost a bit (margin of error not withstanding) among men, and is getting crushed among women.

The midterms reflect this.

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KGxvi  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:29:01am

re: #45 PhillyPretzel

From Star Wars: “The more you tighten your grip Tarkin the more systems will slip through you fingers.” Princess Leia to Governor Tarkin

Yeah, but isn’t that just a Sci-Fi play on an old adage?

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Dread Pirate  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:30:56am

I hope they were tested before launch. The ISS would be a bad place for CoViD-19.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:31:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:33:08am

re: #43 stpaulbear

Grrr. It’s been snowing off and on in Twin Cities today. Nice fluffy flakes but it’s almost mid-f’ing-April.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:33:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:36:22am
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:37:08am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Arrest warrants for the New York Times? Geez. They think very highly of themselves don’t they?

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:37:22am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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“It’s the church police!” (Monty Python)

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KGxvi  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:37:25am

re: #36 teleskiguy

Some festivals are doing virtual shows, sort of…

Beachfest which was supposed to happen in Redondo Beach the first weekend in May did a stripped down thing on Instagram live where musicians would join and perform a couple songs.

Viva Las Vegas is doing something Friday and Saturday (it was supposed to happen this weekend) where bands from around the world are sending in content to be played online. Not sure the exact details yet… but at least that’s something?

Radio Margaritaville has been doing a “virtual” tour and replaying old shows at times when new shows would have been held/broadcast. Which is kind of cool, but they’ve been doing that for a while.

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stpaulbear  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:37:51am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m glad we’re not getting that! No snow hanging around here, and the sky has gotten sunny for the moment.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:38:32am

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

Arrest warrants for the New York Times? Geez. They think very highly of themselves don’t they?

Jerry has to raise enough money to seduce another pool boy!

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:38:34am
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KGxvi  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:38:47am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Police can’t issue arrest warrants. Courts do those.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:39:32am

re: #44 KGxvi

Per CNN exit polls from 2016:

Men: Trump 52-41
Women: Clinton 54-41

So he’s lost a bit (margin of error not withstanding) among men, and is getting crushed among women.

I always suspected women would be responsible for saving the world someday. Maybe that day is coming pretty soon.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:42:09am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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What is I don’t know what jurisdiction is for 1000, Alex?

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:42:40am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:43:31am

Look what Katie Porter uncovered!

talkingpointsmemo.com

Trade data suggest that U.S. exports of medical supplies surged when the administration should have been preparing for a domestic coronavirus outbreak, according to a new report by Rep. Katie Porter (D-CA).

“In February 2020, the value of U.S. mask exports to China was 1094.0% higher than the 2019 monthly average,” Porter’s report said. “In February 2020, the value of U.S ventilator exports to China was 292.2% higher than the 2019 monthly average.”

The report, which was released Monday, pointed to specific Trump administration policies — rather than just a general increase in foreign demand due to the spread of COVID-19 abroad — as being a potential reason for the spike in export value. The New York Times reported in early March that the Commerce Department was touting a temporary change in regulations that facilitated exports of medical supplies to China by American vendors.

“Whether export numbers reflect increased per-unit costs for Chinese buyers, or an increase in units sold, the bottom line is the same: a payday for a few companies, and huge costs for the rest of us,” Porter’s report said.

Meanwhile, the value of imports of masks and ventilators decreased significantly in January and February, according to the report.

“The import data that we identified and reviewed also reveal that the Trump Administration failed to prepare for COVID-19 and to protect the health of Americans,” Porter said in the report, pointing to a 10 percent decline in import values for ventilators and a 14 percent decrease for N95 masks.

Additionally, Porter’s office analyzed the federal government contract information, and found that many of the U.S. contracts for medical supplies will not completed until September of October.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:43:41am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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That’s not arrest, that’s kidnapping.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:44:05am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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Incredibly, that’s not even in the top 10 of today’s unhinged right wing bullshit.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:44:47am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Like several other southern states, Virginia allows large religious organizations to form their own police forces, with full legal authority within their jurisdictional limits. I have been waiting for the Temple of Satan to exercise its consequent right to do so, if only to see the uniforms they are likely to come up with.

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Jay C  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:44:53am

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

Arrest warrants for the New York Times? Geez. They think very highly of themselves don’t they?

OK, foax: I RTWT, and that tweet is minorly misleading: Liberty U’s “Police Department” got a magistrate to issue (upon complaint) an arrest warrant for “misdemeanor trespass” for a NYT reporter and a freelance photographer after they went on campus to do “misleading” (i.e., probably truthful and likely embarrassing) reportage on LU’s Coronavirus response/non-response. Stupid harassment, to be sure, but not QUITE as megalomaniac as might be thought…..

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:47:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:48:11am

re: #54 Barefoot Grin

“It’s the church police!” (Monty Python)

There’s a dead bishop on the landing!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:48:35am

re: #59 KGxvi

Police can’t issue arrest warrants. Courts do those.

and grandstanding assholes

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A Three Hour Tour  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:50:29am

re: #54 Barefoot Grin

“It’s the church police!” (Monty Python)

“What’s all this then, Amen?”

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William Lewis  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:50:44am

Here’s a good travel video for you all:

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lizardofid  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:52:08am

Unfortunately, if the NYT and the others want to interview Liberty students, they can probably just set up at the local hospitals and wait.

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Jay C  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:52:31am

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Like several other southern states, Virginia allows large religious organizations to form their own police forces, with full legal authority within their jurisdictional limits. I have been waiting for the Temple of Satan to exercise its consequent right to do so, if only to see the uniforms they are likely to come up with.

I was wondering on that very point when reading the (full) article: what, precise, jurisdictional powers a University PD has in Virginia. I know regulations vary from state to state: in some places “campus police” have little more legal status than just hired rent-a-cops: elsewhere (yes, mainly in the South), they are empowered just as any other (municipal/county/state) LE agency.

But yeah, the uniforms for the “Temple Of Satan PD” would likely be AWESOME….

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:53:02am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There’s a dead bishop on the landing!

Society’s to blame.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:53:09am
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:54:14am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Obama cursed it by saying it won’t end until we have nationwide testing and tracking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:55:10am
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A Three Hour Tour  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:55:17am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There’s a dead bishop on the landing!

” Supplicant or Diocesan? “

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:55:49am

re: #74 Jay C

I was wondering on that very point when reading the (full) article: what, precise, jurisdictional powers a University PD has in Virginia. I know regulations vary from state to state: in some places “campus police” have little more legal status than just hired rent-a-cops: elsewhere (yes, mainly in the South), they are empowered just as any other (municipal/county/state) LE agency.

But yeah, the uniforms for the “Temple Of Satan PD” would likely be AWESOME….

Not sure honestly. I went to a public university in Va and I don’t recall campus cops having a big presence. But the jurisdiction would be Lynchburg City which while more Republican than Virginia as a whole is less right wing than Falwell Jr.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:55:54am

re: #77 Barefoot Grin

Obama cursed it by saying it won’t end until we have nationwide testing and tracking.

Obama should come out in favor of reopening all schools, businesses and public venues directly after Easter…

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A Three Hour Tour  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:56:13am

re: #75 Barefoot Grin

Society’s to blame.

“We’ll be taking them in as well.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 11:56:17am

re: #79 A Three Hour Tour

” Supplicant or Diocesan? “

“How should I know?”

“It’s tattooed on the back of their necks!”

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NetworkKed  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:00:20pm

re: #81 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Obama should come out in favor of reopening all schools, businesses and public venues directly after Easter…

It’s so sad that this actually the truth. No faster way to get the idiot to do the opposite.

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A Three Hour Tour  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:01:15pm

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“How should I know?”

“It’s tattooed on the back of their necks!”

“Leicester.”

” Here, is that rat tart?”
” Err … yes. “
“Disgustin’. Right, men, the chase is on. Oh Lord, we beseech thee, tell us who croaked Leicester?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:01:43pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:03:58pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:04:03pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

BREAKING: Democrats demand Republicans try and act reasonably for a change

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:05:07pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

BREAKING: Senate Democrats stall President Trump’s $250 billion business virus aid package, demanding protections for minority-owned businesses and matching money for health care providers and state and local governments.

I can already hear the RW spin engines whirring through the very core of the Earth…

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:05:14pm

re: #38 gocart mozart

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Todd Rundgren wrote a song about it! Here’s young TR with Letterman’s band.

Todd Rundgren - Lysistrata

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Belafon  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:06:14pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

So, non-college Gen X white males still favor Trump. I can believe that, because that fits my brother’s description.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:06:31pm

“I hooked up with a chick on Tinder and I think she gave me a case of Lysistrata…”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:08:16pm

re: #74 Jay C

I was wondering on that very point when reading the (full) article: what, precise, jurisdictional powers a University PD has in Virginia. I know regulations vary from state to state: in some places “campus police” have little more legal status than just hired rent-a-cops: elsewhere (yes, mainly in the South), they are empowered just as any other (municipal/county/state) LE agency.

But yeah, the uniforms for the “Temple Of Satan PD” would likely be AWESOME….

In Texas, you can’t use the word “police” unless you are an actual police force, generally required to be associated with a sovereign entity of some sort. This has changed recently, though, with certain private colleges like Baylor and Wayland being allowed to form police forces under the auspices of the local jurisdiction in which they are located. The Texas Tech and UT police are full scale state police forces, co-equal with the Department of Public Safety (state police) in jurisdiction. Private security guards in Texas are licensed and trained by the DPS and have whatever rights and authority the property owners possess and choose to defer to them (quite a bit in certain cases). They also have the same legal protection as police officers, ie assaulting one is a state-jail felony, enforced with great vigor, as many a drunken college student has learned to their sorrow and expense.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:09:45pm

lol Someone on my FB posted this article and I got a 3 day suspension for replying with

Heil Hitler

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:09:48pm

re: #91 Belafon

So, non-college Gen X white males still favor Trump. I can believe that, because that fits my brother’s description.

My half-brother would have been a huge Trump supporter if the alcoholic cirrhosis hadn’t killed him several years ago.

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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:10:14pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:13:58pm

I just got a phone call from the Executive Director. He is telling us to keep up the social distancing even during the holiday. I have not talked to my kid sister in about 5 years and I have not seen my brother-in-law in one year. Does that count?

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steve_davis  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:15:08pm

re: #20 Teukka

I recall a docu on emerging diseases ages ago, either NatGeo or Discovery Science. It was a Coronavirus that jumped species at a pig farm where some of the pigs had their outing spot under a tree frequented by bats, bat feces appeared to have been the main vector. Pigs became sick human became sick, with fatalities.
It burned out before it could spread, less than a dozen infected, a handful of fatalities.
Which is why it irritates me to no end when the right-wingers bring up the exotic cuisine in China, when the information I have at hand is that bats are exotic even by Chinese cuisine standards. This disease may have jumped species simply because humans encroached on a bat habitat in the wrong way, not because the bats were food.

it’s because cats have to interact with our money when they’re figuring out how much of a tip to leave wait staff. dogs eat their own shit, so they’re immune to everything.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:21:17pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:22:24pm

re: #99 Dread Pirate

I’m no fan of Boris, but I’m happy to see as many people as possible beat this thing so this is a good update to get.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:24:39pm
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Mike Lamb  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:27:16pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The “Fuck you, I’m out” look from the dog at the end is the best.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:29:28pm

re: #85 A Three Hour Tour

“Disgustin’. Right, men, the chase is on. Oh Lord, we beseech thee, tell us who croaked Leicester?”

[ God ]”The one in the braces, he did it…”[/ God ]

“It’s a fair cop, but society’s to blame…”

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danarchy  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:29:51pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My take away from this is that whenever a cat knocks something off a shelf or knocks over a glass on the counter they are doing it on purpose.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:31:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:32:09pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:33:02pm

re: #104 danarchy

My take away from this is that whenever a cat knocks something off a shelf or knocks over a glass on the counter they are doing it on purpose.

Well, duh.

I have one cat who is somewhat less than graceful - I have seen her actually fall off something (and no, not deliberately) - but even she does it on purpose 99% of the time.

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:34:01pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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That should separate the serious voters from the Bros.

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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:35:14pm

In other (non) news…

A fake SportsCenter account tweeted that the Jets signed Colin Kaepernick, and just about the whole world bought it.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:36:53pm
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makeitstop  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:37:46pm

I love Fran Lebowitz. That is all.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:38:04pm

re: #62 Omar Comin’ Yo

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GIVE BACK THE GAINS!!!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:39:53pm

Two errands on the agenda for the day: post office and second grocery store for the week. I’m trying to minimize as much as possible and only do one (I would normally do two, because there’s stuff that the one does not carry and vice versa) but it was really unavoidable this week. I spread them out to try and offset this as much as possible.

At least I’ve got my mask now. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:40:19pm
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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:40:53pm

re: #112 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Boosters get gunned down and this shit is fine.

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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:41:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:41:49pm
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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:42:27pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

The press is pretty fucking pathetic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:43:22pm

re: #116 gocart mozart

I still believe that in our darkest hours, at our lowest points, government can be a powerful force for good. But only when it works for the people.

I still imagine the captain of the USS Ronald Reagan when it was sent to offer tsunami assistance in Fukushima, Japan, presenting his credentials and saying “We’re from the US government and we’re here to help you!”

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:45:59pm

re: #110 Dread Pirate

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So, it’s either capable of waiting out the immune reaction in isolated pockets of the body or, more horrifyingly, it’s actually inserts itself into another type of cell from the one it normally replicates in and goes dormant, waiting out the body’s immune response there. For an analogy imagine chicken pox turning into shingles played on fast forward, possibly because it’s a novel virus.

Either way, not good news, it really demonstrates how important it is to stomp on new diseases quickly and how much crucial time we lost.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:46:03pm

rawstory.com

First there was the pandemic, then came the “infodemic” — a term the head of the World Health Organization defines as the spread of false information about COVID-19.

The most dangerous conspiracy theories about the coronavirus are now part of the QAnon phenomenon. For months now, actors in QAnon have downplayed the severity of the crisis, amplified medical disinformation and have been originators of hoaxes…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:47:22pm

Kushner gets away with it again!

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calochortus  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:48:00pm

re: #113 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Two errands on the agenda for the day: post office and second grocery store for the week. I’m trying to minimize as much as possible and only do one (I would normally do two, because there’s stuff that the one does not carry and vice versa) but it was really unavoidable this week. I spread them out to try and offset this as much as possible.

At least I’ve got my mask now. :)

I went to Costco this morning-a surprisingly efficient process. I got almost everything I wanted. No Medjool dates that I could see though. I can pick some up elsewhere, I suppose. They did have TP. I don’t know how much, because I didn’t need any so didn’t go look. But some people had a package in their cart.

I still have no idea when Costco actually opens and whether they really have “senior hours.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:49:23pm

re: #110 Dread Pirate

A few things with this article - and honestly with any article that talks about this.

a) The tests being used are not super-great at low levels of the virus. At least some places have required three tests in 48 hours to be negative in order to be declared “recovered” for this reason. (Which, when you have a shortage of tests, means it takes a while for people to be declared recovered too - and honestly is kind of stupid because what we really want to know are new cases and ALSO who is infectious which this test doesn’t really tell us soooooooooo.)

Also this is what happened with the San Antonio case that got all the publicity.

b) The more useful bit of information is how many of them have not just tested positive (again) but gone on to develop symptoms AGAIN. THAT would be a useful metric to know and we are still limited to very few anecdotal snippets about people where it did flare up and in a few cases passed away.

c) There’s also been a lot of anecdotal evidence from folks who have COVID-19 that the course of the disease is non-linear, particularly for milder cases that have not required hospitalization (or were admitted more for observation purposes and did not require more intensive intervention). I would not be surprised to find out that the amount of virus measurable with the tests being used fluctuates in line with these symptoms.

d) Can we just fucking move to serological measurement of antibodies to determine whether someone has actually recovered already?

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William Lewis  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:49:29pm

re: #109 makeitstop

In other (non) news…

A fake SportsCenter account tweeted that the Jets signed Colin Kaepernick, and just about the whole world bought it.

That probably exposed a few racists!

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:49:43pm

re: #123 calochortus

I went to Costco this morning-a surprisingly efficient process. I got almost everything I wanted. No Medjool dates that I could see though. I can pick some up elsewhere, I suppose. They did have TP. I don’t know how much, because I didn’t need any so didn’t go look. But some people had a package in their cart.

I still have no idea when Costco actually opens and whether they really have “senior hours.”

Until further notice, Costco warehouses will open from 8 to 9 a.m. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday for members ages 60 and older, and for those with physical impairments.”

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danarchy  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:50:15pm

re: #120 goddamnedfrank

So, it’s either capable of waiting out the immune reaction in isolated pockets of the body or, more horrifyingly, it’s actually inserts itself into another type of cell from the one it normally replicates in and goes dormant, waiting out the body’s immune response there. For an analogy imagine chicken pox turning into shingles played on fast forward, possibly because it’s a novel virus.

Either way, not good news and it really demonstrates how important it is to stomp on new diseases quickly and how much crucial time we lost.

Wouldn’t another possibility be that the tests are giving false negatives when the viral load is low enough, so that the person was never really fully recovered in the first place?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:51:16pm

re: #123 calochortus

I went to my local Acme this morning. There was a single file line waiting to get into the store, roughy about 12 people. They had toilet paper but were out of clorox. No Lysol. I did manage to get the items on my list.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:52:32pm

John McCain’s Ghost would like a word

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calochortus  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:54:06pm

re: #126 goddamnedfrank

Until further notice, Costco warehouses will open from 8 to 9 a.m. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday for members ages 60 and older, and for those with physical impairments.”

That’s what they say, but I’m unclear that they are actually adhering to that, because they also say they’re opening to everyone else at 10:00 at my store, but they were apparently open to everyone well before 9:15 when I got there.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:55:02pm

re: #127 danarchy

Wouldn’t another possibility be that the tests are giving false negatives when the viral load is low enough, so that the person was never really fully recovered in the first place?

True. There does seem to be a correlation between those having the easiest course of the disease also having the lowest measurable antibodies. Current theory I’ve seen is that these people are largely beating it off with other parts of their immune system, T-cells and cytokines.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:55:31pm

re: #127 danarchy

Wouldn’t another possibility be that the tests are giving false negatives when the viral load is low enough, so that the person was never really fully recovered in the first place?

You want really fucked up, men could still test positive for ebola up to a year after they recovered from it. They could still be contagious too for an unknown portion of that time period (there’s a documented case of a man spreading it to a woman 199 days after he recovered - she died).

The binary that a positive test means the patient is not recovered is not necessarily a useful one when it comes to viruses.

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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:55:44pm
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calochortus  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:59:09pm

re: #128 PhillyPretzel

I went to my local Acme this morning. There was a single file line waiting to get into the store, roughy about 12 people. They had toilet paper but were out of clorox. No Lysol. I did manage to get the items on my list.

It does add an element of excitement to otherwise mundane shopping trips, doesn’t it?
Will they have chicken stock? What about eggs? Fortunately with just Mr. C. and me, and long-standing habit of having spares of most non-perishables in the pantry, we’re generally only slightly inconvenienced.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 9, 2020 • 12:59:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:09:47pm
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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:10:07pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

There should not be a single solitary confederate statue on public property in this nation.
Not a one.

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BigPapa  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:10:26pm

The QBots are super wound up about Barr, screaming FISA WARRANTS IMMINENT!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:11:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:12:43pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:12:46pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know what would bring record ratings, the criminal trial of Donald John Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:12:58pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:13:17pm

re: #104 danarchy

My take away from this is that whenever a cat knocks something off a shelf or knocks over a glass on the counter they are doing it on purpose.

if the world were actually flat, cats would have knocked everything off the edge by now

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:13:50pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

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I wonder what he’d be saying about the ratings if he was ever brought to trial.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:14:16pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:14:16pm

re: #107 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, duh.

I have one cat who is somewhat less than graceful - I have seen her actually fall off something (and no, not deliberately) - but even she does it on purpose 99% of the time.

when one of ours does that they always look like “that’s what i meant to do”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:15:30pm
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calochortus  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:15:36pm

Time for a walk with Mr. C. Catch you all later.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:15:55pm

re: #146 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

when one of ours does that they always look like “that’s what i meant to do”

“Been practicing that all week…”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:16:11pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know, I think you boycott the right to call yourself a patriot if you celebrate the CSA. Oh and read about secession in the CSA. Ole Jeff Davis didn’t like that.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:17:39pm
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Eventual Carrion  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:18:15pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

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The last and best Confederate flag.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:22:40pm

re: #104 danarchy

My take away from this is that whenever a cat knocks something off a shelf or knocks over a glass on the counter they are doing it on purpose.

My wife and I have a deaf cat. She absolutely does it on purpose to get attention. She can’t hear the crash, but she knows we come running. She only does it when we are home.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:23:13pm

Okay, this is very good.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:23:52pm

re: #153 DesertDenizen

My wife and I have a deaf cat. She absolutely does it on purpose to get attention. She can’t hear the crash, but she knows we come running. She only does it when we are home.

Our cat is deaf also. Is yours white with blue eyes?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:24:19pm
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sagehen  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:24:35pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s not going to fit next week.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:24:43pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s a little death to the so-called Party of Life?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:26:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:28:25pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BigPapa  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:30:18pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

That is amazing.

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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:34:30pm

Roma in the time of Corona

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:35:04pm

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DesertDenizen  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:35:54pm

re: #155 Eventual Carrion

Our cat is deaf also. Is yours white with blue eyes?

I know that’s the norm for deaf kitties, but no, she’s a grey tabby. We have two cats, an ancient pug, and three bearded dragons and half of the lot have disabilities. Sweet little critters all though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:38:14pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:42:00pm
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sagehen  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:42:24pm

The empty cityscapes are cool; but we also need somebody to be compiling blue sky photos, mountains in the distance from cities that haven’t seen them in years, Catalina from Wilshire Grand Center, Beijing with no smog as seen from a tall building, something from the top floor of the Sears Tower, etc.

Just to be able to point to a huge mural of a bunch of these pics, and say “that’s why we want to switch from fossil-fuel to solar/wind.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:42:50pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:42:56pm

re: #167 sagehen

The empty cityscapes are cool; but we also need somebody to be compiling blue sky photos, mountains in the distance from cities that haven’t seen them in years, Catalina from Wilshire Grand Center, Beijing with no smog as seen from a tall building, something from the top floor of the Sears Tower, etc.

Just to be able to point to a huge mural of a bunch of these pics, and say “that’s why we want to switch from fossil-fuel to solar/wind.”

+1

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:43:34pm

And the haters came out in mass…

myfox8.com

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BigPapa  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:43:44pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Katie Porter is queen. She boss-ay!

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HRH Stanley Sea  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:44:09pm

re: #111 makeitstop

I love Fran Lebowitz. That is all.

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That interview was glorious.

Read it.

And I imagine the pride of New Yorkers, she’s amazing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:44:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:45:26pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:47:02pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:50:06pm

I just paid the lawn guy for the season. He requested that I put the payment on his mower. No problem.

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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:51:17pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 1:58:07pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

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while the sister is right, what’s also right is

This is a sad outcome and a clear example of the need to get fast, accurate and unambiguous information out from the authoritative source that everyone assumed was in charge* - the federal government.

*until they were failing so miserably they decided they werent in charge and laid it on the governors

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:03:07pm

re: #110 Dread Pirate

[“About 51 patients classed as having been cured in South Korea have tested positive again … rather than being infected again, the virus may have been reactivated in these people” per the Korean CDC]

I’d love to know how sick they were… Is this mild to miss, mild to severe, etc.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:07:05pm
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William Lewis  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:08:11pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

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Remember how the English treated Scotland after The 45? The South should have looked at that as kind and gentle.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:09:52pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The bigger issue is that these “rosy” projections can all be undone if we don’t diligently keep our shit together for another 7 weeks. There are a bunch of idiots that, if they haven’t already spiked the ball, are warming up to do so.

And that also doesn’t account for the fact that, as Singapore and Hong Kong are showing, you can’t just flip the switch to pre-January 20, 2020.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:10:01pm

A judge has ruled that unaired footage from the reality TV show Celebrity Apprentice should be handed over to a group of entrepreneurs who say they were scammed by Donald Trump and his children who repeatedly endorsed a questionable multilevel marketing company on the show, according to a report from Bloomberg.

“Trump and his three oldest children were sued in 2018 for their roles in promoting ACN from 2005 to 2015 with Trump suggesting people could invest in the company’s desktop video phone with little or no risk,” writes Bloomberg’s Erik Larson. “The service was quickly eclipsed with the advent of smartphones and the plaintiffs claim they lost hundreds of thousands of dollars by putting their faith in the Trumps.”

rawstory.com

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sagehen  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:10:14pm

re: #111 makeitstop

I love Fran Lebowitz. That is all.

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“And I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about how to think about this, because it is a very startling thing to be my age—I’m sixty-nine—and to have something happen that doesn’t remind you of anything else.”

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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:12:01pm
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sagehen  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:13:45pm

re: #181 William Lewis

Remember how the English treated Scotland after The 45? The South should have looked at that as kind and gentle.

um… is The 45 part of the same thing as Culloden? (I only know that name because it’s such a major plot point for Highlander and Outlander)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:13:47pm

re: #183 Joe Bacon 🌹

“The plaintiffs claim they lost hundreds of thousands of dollars by putting their faith in the Trumps.”

rawstory.com

You don’t say.

///

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Citizen K  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:14:52pm

You know what causes this shift?

Republicans screaming toward the right in response to losses and being voted back in, because Dems didn’t fix shit fast enough.

Press gleefully and willingly promoting ‘both sides same thing’, even as Republicans grow more and more extreme.

The lefter wings marginalizing themselves more and more by starker unwillingness to work with the Dems and liberals for purity’s sake.

Gerrymandering and voter suppression that pushes off people from bothering to vote because of seeming hopelessness.

But no, it must be because the Dems are secret Manchurian Candidates and simply WANT to lurch rightward as a vicious scheme for the corporations and proof that they’re all the same and thus you should dick kick all Dems and refuse to work with them ever.

FUCK’S SAKE.

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William Lewis  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:18:07pm

re: #186 sagehen

um… is The 45 part of the same thing as Culloden? (I only know that name because it’s such a major plot point for Highlander and Outlander)

The battle of Culloden was where the rebellion of 1745 was ended. The English then hammered the Scottish people hard in return.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:26:12pm
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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:26:28pm
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Citizen K  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:29:36pm

re: #116 gocart mozart

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:30:43pm

re: #191 jaunte

Another way to put this in perspective: Covid-19 has now killed more Americans than 9/11, BOTH Iraq Wars AND Hurricane Katrina COMBINED.

And it didn’t have to be this way but we have an unstable, narcissistic maniac in the White House.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:31:16pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:33:24pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

That’s even more powerful if you click through to the twitter and see it as a sequence.

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Citizen K  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:33:50pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

Both Jared and Stephen Miller always look like they’re sizing up whoever they’re looking at for however much hydrochloric acid it’d take to dissolve their body later.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:38:10pm

I loved the movie Leave No Trace and may need to view again for inspiration. /// tags because even though I’m an Eagle Scout and Order of the Arrow I’d be dead in about three days.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:42:50pm

re: #181 William Lewis

Remember how the English treated Scotland after The 45? The South should have looked at that as kind and gentle.

Kindness to the cruel is cruelty to the innocent. History has no better example of this age-old principle than the aftermath of the American Civil War.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:42:53pm

re: #188 Citizen K

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You know what causes this shift?

Republicans screaming toward the right in response to losses and being voted back in, because Dems didn’t fix shit fast enough.

Press gleefully and willingly promoting ‘both sides same thing’, even as Republicans grow more and more extreme.

The lefter wings marginalizing themselves more and more by starker unwillingness to work with the Dems and liberals for purity’s sake.

Gerrymandering and voter suppression that pushes off people from bothering to vote because of seeming hopelessness.

But no, it must be because the Dems are secret Manchurian Candidates and simply WANT to lurch rightward as a vicious scheme for the corporations and proof that they’re all the same and thus you should dick kick all Dems and refuse to work with them ever.

FUCK’S SAKE.

Aside from that, what is missing is that the number of people that ascribe to the notion of “I guess I have to vote for the lesser of two evils” is low. Lots of people liked Clinton, Obama, HRC, and now Biden. This is all a different version of conservatism can’t fail, it can only be failed.

How many times will these people run their head into a brick wall trying to get their candidate the nomination (whether its mayor, state senator, House rep, or president) before they realize that the electorate isn’t ready for that candidate and might not ever be? And if the response is: “Whatever—they’re all the same.”—well just fuck right off with that.

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:43:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:46:42pm
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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:47:59pm

Cartoon thread:

I grew up loving Mort Drucker’s work in Mad magazine, and was lucky enough to commission some work from him in the late ‘70’s. He will be sorely missed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:48:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:49:38pm

re: #200 jaunte

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:50:53pm

Would congress actually let that asshole get away with letting the Postal service get shut down?

Fucking hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:52:03pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:52:53pm

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

Would congress actually let that asshole get away with letting the Postal service get shut down?

Fucking hell.

Memories of high school when the Young Americans For Freedom chapter urged privatization of the Post Office…and that was always pushed by Libertarians…and now Republicans…

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:53:45pm

PA now has the virus in all 67 counties. whyy.org

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:54:12pm

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

Would congress actually let that asshole get away with letting the Postal service get shut down?

Fucking hell.

USPS and USN are specified in the Constitution. USAF and Army are not. (In fact, the US Army as constituted is damn well discouraged.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:55:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:55:41pm

re: #209 Decatur Deb

USPS and USN are specified in the Constitution. USAF and Army are not. (In fact, the US Army as constituted is damn well discouraged.)

You’re making the mistake of thinking Trump actually gives a shit about the Constitution.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:55:59pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:56:13pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump: I don’t want send money to all those shithole countries.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:57:44pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 2:58:52pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

Although African Americans make up 14% of Michigan’s population, they account for 40% of the coronavirus deaths.

Pro tip: Check their bank statements.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:00:05pm

re: #211 Eclectic Cyborg

You’re making the mistake of thinking Trump actually gives a shit about the Constitution.

/

No modern Republican does.

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:01:44pm
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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:01:47pm

If Fox News can spin this one, and GOP voters accept this as a GOOD thing, then yeah, we can pretty much slam the gate on America…

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Citizen K  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:02:22pm

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

Would congress actually let that asshole get away with letting the Postal service get shut down?

Fucking hell.

Congress? Maybe not.

Congressional Republicans, who basically still have enough power to stonewall any attempt to save the Postal Service? Absolutely. And they’ll get away with it because good isn’t allowed to win in this country.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:03:49pm

re: #217 jaunte

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Surely a coincidence. //

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William Lewis  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:04:31pm

re: #209 Decatur Deb

USPS and USN are specified in the Constitution. USAF and Army are not. (In fact, the US Army as constituted is damn well discouraged.)

The founders hated and feared standing armies; the legacy of the ECW and the New Model Army.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:04:34pm

re: #219 Citizen K

Congress? Maybe not.

Congressional Republicans, who basically still have enough power to stonewall any attempt to save the Postal Service? Absolutely. And they’ll get away with it because good isn’t allowed to win in this country.

And who would make a mint from shutting down the Post Office?

Banks (Because they could rake in those late charges)
UPS
FedEx
Republican Congressmen and Senators (flooded with cash from all of the above!)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:05:11pm

re: #218 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

If Fox News can spin this one, and GOP voters accept this as a GOOD thing, then yeah, we can pretty much slam the gate on America…

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I’ve said it before. I’m optimistic about beating Trump but we have to defeat the factors that made him viable in the first place.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:05:19pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Resting demon spawn face.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:06:31pm

re: #221 William Lewis

The founders hated and feared standing armies; the legacy of the ECW and the New Model Army.

Cromwell likewise left a skepticism of a state religion.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:08:18pm

re: #225 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Cromwell likewise left a skepticism of a state religion.

And 400 years of resistance in Ireland.

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sagehen  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:10:18pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sadly, that’s pretty easy to explain.

1) black people are more likely than white people to have asthma, diabetes and hypertension.

2) black people are more likely than white people to work at grocery stores, nursing homes, janitorial services and prisons. Or to be in courthouses and prisons.

3) black people more likely than white people to live in overcrowded places where the hallways are narrow, and there’s no staff disinfecting the stairways or elevators or laundry rooms or mailrooms.

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KGxvi  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:12:18pm

re: #209 Decatur Deb

USPS and USN are specified in the Constitution. USAF and Army are not. (In fact, the US Army as constituted is damn well discouraged.)

Not really, regarding the Army, Article I, Section 8:

12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

The idea of the two year cap on appropriations was to make sure Congress kept oversight on a president who might get belligerent with military force.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:13:49pm

re: #223 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ve said it before. I’m optimistic about beating Trump but we have to defeat the factors that made him viable in the first place.

If you listen to the US media, those factors are poverty, inequality, loss of jobs, and so forth, but for some reason only when that poverty affects rural white people. It is, as we all know here, a sham.

I agree with you, by the way. We must defeat the factors that make this modern fascism viable. The single biggest one of these is the mass propaganda networks, on TV and the internet, that are turning your friends, relatives and neighbours into a cult.

It’s almost unavoidable in the modern age. I know people overseas, who don’t have access to FOX, yet who still unfailingly spout the same talking points the moment they come out. They are indoctrinated through whatever media they consume - Facebook, newspapers, even direct emails that pretend to be financial advice but are just distilled talking points. It is insidious and frighteningly effective.

I don’t have a solution for this. I wish I did. But it’s going to take more than voting to beat this.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:14:41pm

re: #228 KGxvi

Not really, regarding the Army, Article I, Section 8:

The idea of the two year cap on appropriations was to make sure Congress kept oversight on a president who might get belligerent with military force.

As constituted. We “worked around” the 2-year budget cycle.

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jaunte  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:17:34pm
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KGxvi  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:17:53pm

Also, as a general rule, it’s sort of foolish to talk about what the Founders thought/envisioned. Just like today, they had widely differing opinions. Jefferson and Hamilton agreed on damn near nothing beyond independence. Madison’s views changed over time. Most all of the Constitution as written in 1787 was a result of compromise (and Jefferson being in Paris instead of Philadelphia). It was also a creation of its time and circumstances. A strong central government as we see it in the modern world simply couldn’t exist because of travel and communication limitations at the time.

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Citizen K  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:18:51pm
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Citizen K  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:23:59pm

re: #227 sagehen

sadly, that’s pretty easy to explain.

1) black people are more likely than white people to have asthma, diabetes and hypertension.

2) black people are more likely than white people to work at grocery stores, nursing homes, janitorial services and prisons. Or to be in courthouses and prisons.

3) black people more likely than white people to live in overcrowded places where the hallways are narrow, and there’s no staff disinfecting the stairways or elevators or laundry rooms or mailrooms.

I would like to add too, that black people are far more likely to have their health concerns dismissed and often die of complications due to lax treatment. And this is consistent across all economic classes (Serena Williams almost died after her most recent child was born due to doctors not believing her when she was trying to tell them she was suffering blood clots due to a pre-existing condition and nearly died because they waited too long to treat them)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:24:16pm

Evening Lizardim from the wacky and wild north country. We’ve had literally every kind of weather today - rain, sun, snow, hail. In the midst of it all, 88 new cases out of 1541 tests, up to 1242 and 32294; unfortunately, 11 new dead, our saddest day to date, brings us to 50. Minnesota Governor Tim Walz went live again today, explaining the reasoning behind the updated stay-at-home order and explaining that a provision was written into the order organizing a working group to explore options to reopen certain commercial sectors if they can meet stringent standards of sanitation and social distancing. The Republicans in this state are pushing hard against the governor; I fought with one of my nieces on Facebook for pushing a conspiracy theory by Dr. Scott Jensen, the senator from a nearby county, spouting the tired old talking point that there is such a vast majority of asymptomatic carriers that we are on the other side of the curve, and are destroying our country by shutting down. I finally just quit when the derpwagon started to pile on; these people will not listen to any facts or reason except the ones they’ve chosen to like. How go things among the lizardfolk on this bizarre spring day?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:25:04pm

re: #233 Citizen K

The aftermath of progressives letting the Tea Party take over the U.S. House and many state governorships and legislatures in 2010 set back and undo decades of hard-fought progressive policies.

Swear I don’t remember letting them do shit.

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steve_davis  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:25:36pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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60,000 useless eaters, according to the administration.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:26:18pm

A little windy, snowy, sleet, rain indecisive weather here in NW PA. And then the sun comes out from the clouds. Got a little bit of everything in a 10 minute span while having a smoke on the back porch.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:27:04pm

I’d love to see what Trumps approval ratings would look like after he shuts down USPS, which will delay relief and unemployment checks for hundreds of thousands of people.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:28:23pm

re: #231 jaunte

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probably gets his info from the same place the GA gov does -
remember - no one told us asymptomatics could spread the thing

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:29:09pm

re: #240 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

probably gets his info from the same place the GA gov does -
remember - no one told us asymptomatics could spread the thing

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Citizen K  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:30:15pm

God, this script is awful and hamhanded. No one could believe a villain that laughably corrupt and e….oh…wait. This isn’t Netflix.

I hate this timeline.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:30:49pm

They just take every opportunity to be evil:

(Via WaPo) The Trump administration has carried out nearly 10,000 summary deportations or “expulsions” since March 21, using emergency public health measures during the coronavirus outbreak that have given U.S. Customs and Border Protection broad authority to bypass immigration laws, CBP officials said Thursday.

The measures have allowed the agency to quickly turn away most unauthorized migrants — sending them back across the U.S.-Mexico border. The moves have dramatically slashed the number of detainees held in border stations, where they fear the coronavirus could spread, the officials said. CBP has fewer than 100 detainees in custody, down from nearly 20,000 at this time last year during the border crisis, officials said.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:32:54pm

re: #222 Joe Bacon 🌹

And who would make a mint from shutting down the Post Office?

Banks (Because they could rake in those late charges)
UPS
FedEx
Republican Congressmen and Senators (flooded with cash from all of the above!)

note without a usps, the us government would have to use ups, fedex, etc for everything. and change a shitload of laws regarding legal notice etc.

for just one, the irs, sends checks, notices, legal dox, etc.
imagine the new cost of sending a $2.00 refund check.
they’d also lose the legal cover of certified mail proving delivery before seizing property etc

multiply that by every agency/department/function. their budget lines would skyrocket.

fedex/ups negotiate special rates for the government? yeah right.

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Citizen K  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:35:21pm

re: #244 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

note without a usps, the us government would have to use ups, fedex, etc for everything. and change a shitload of laws regarding legal notice etc.

for just one, the irs, sends checks, notices, legal dox, etc.
imagine the new cost of sending a $2.00 refund check.
they’d also lose the legal cover of certified mail proving delivery before seizing property etc

multiply that by every agency/department/function. their budget lines would skyrocket.

fedex/ups negotiate special rates for the government? yeah right.

Don’t worry about that. They’ll just have to tighten their belts when it comes to Social Security, Medicare, and all that to make up the difference! Everyone wins! ///

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:36:14pm

re: #244 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Fedex , UPS, and other delivery nets are probably close to maxxed out with increased traffic.

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:39:53pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Fedex , UPS, and other delivery nets are probably close to maxxed out with increased traffic.

And the major carriers use the USPS for last-mile delivery.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:40:46pm

re: #247 Sherlock Hound

And the major carriers use the USPS for last-mile delivery.

File this one under Not Bloody Likely.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:44:36pm
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Sherlock Hound  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:46:07pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

File this one under Not Bloody Likely.

If that goes away, we’ll notice.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:47:28pm

re: #249 DodgerFan1988

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I hope this sob finds himself on his last legs soon enough.

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:53:06pm

re: #251 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I hope this sob finds himself on his last legs soon enough.

He’s old enough to be screened out of any ER.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:53:11pm

Good.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:53:19pm

Just a reminder…

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Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:55:20pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 9, 2020 • 3:58:40pm
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Cheechako  Apr 9, 2020 • 4:19:54pm

So, trump says absentee ballots are fine but voting by mail is the worst thing ever?

What happens if a Governor just says all voters will just receive absentee ballots and all polling locations are closed?

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cat-tikvah  Apr 9, 2020 • 6:06:35pm

re: #144 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I wonder what he’d be saying about the ratings if he was ever brought to trial.

Unlike these propaganda press events, I’d watch EVERY. DAMN. MINUTE.
I’m sure I’m not alone.
You could put it on pay-per-view and it would be a blockbuster.


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