Trump Says He’s Taking Hydroxychloroquine but Nobody Can Tell if He’s Lying

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Just another absolutely whacked out moment from the endless clown show of the Trump administration, as Donald Trump suddenly springs the “news” that he’s been taking the untested (for COVID-19) and dangerous drug hydroxychloroquine for a week, presumably as a preventive measure although he never made that clear.

Immediately, everyone has questions. Is he lying? Trying to make some money somehow? Just as nutty as a squirrel in a cashew tree? Getting a sick thrill from manipulating his gullible followers, even risking their lives rather than admit he was wrong?

All of the above?

President Donald Trump claimed he is taking daily doses of hydroxychloroquine, a drug he’s long touted as a potential coronavirus cure even as medical experts and the US Food and Drug Administration question its efficacy and warn of potentially harmful side effects.

Speaking at a meeting of restaurant executives, Trump said he began taking the antimalarial drug after consulting the White House doctor, though stopped short of saying his physician had actually recommended the drug.

The admission was a dramatic development in Trump’s attempts to promote hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus, which began earlier in the outbreak and has been met with resistance from medical professionals.

#Covid #CNN #News

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1
GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2020 • 4:53:32pm

Conservative dark money groups have been pushing the drug on Trump.

opensecrets.org

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Mattand  May 18, 2020 • 4:54:43pm

I posted this originally on the last thread, but I CL’d myself. Plus, this is more relevant here.

Over the weekend, I mentioned that I got into what I thought was a low key argument with a Facebook acquaintance who around 5-6 months pregnant about mask wearing. She is against it, and has taken to posting a lot of COVID conspiracy theory lately.

“Did she post the Pandemic intro video?” you ask. Oh, you silly goose! Of course she did.

I’ve been in a weekly Zoom workshop with this woman for four or so years. A genuinely lovely person who is very excited about being a first time mom. That said, I’m in NJ. The state as a whole has taken a beating, and although here in the southern part it’s not as bad, we’re still taking our licks. My town leads my country for COVID deaths, and there’s two facilities within 10 minutes walking distance that have lost 14 people as of three weeks ago. That number is probably higher now.

Plus, my neighbor has lost two relatives to the disease. So there’s some real world consequences a stone’s throw from my happy little slice of suburbia.

So, while I was polite and posted my reasons above why mask wearing is essential, it apparently did not go well. I will cop to making a passive-aggressive “You need to do what’s best for your family” dig. I found out from a mutual acquaintance that she posted some sort of COVID CT bullshit, and then apparently nuked her whole FB account.

The corker is that one of our Zoom partners is a LA-area doctor who’s been doing 18 hours days fighting COVID. My suggestion that she talk with a doctor who would contradict the bullshit may also have not gone over well.

Is it my business that she doesn’t want to wear a mask while pregnant? At the end of the day, no. That said, if said COVID CT bullshit crosses my feed and I happen to see it, well, you don’t get a pass for spreading potentially deadly misinformation.

I don’t feel great about the whole exchange, but goddamn it, I’m done with “Everyone’s allowed to have an opinion, man.” Wrong is fucking wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2020 • 4:55:37pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2020 • 4:58:54pm

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The Pie Overlord!  May 18, 2020 • 4:59:35pm

Yeah, somebody put Skittles in a pharmacy bottle and labeled it “hydroxychloroquine”

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2020 • 5:01:36pm

re: #5 The Pie Overlord!

Yeah, somebody put Skittles in a pharmacy bottle and labeled it “hydroxychloroquine”

HydroChews New Fruit Flavors!

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 18, 2020 • 5:02:18pm

Hydroxychloroquine AND ZINC, he said.

So that’s okay.

(Why did I give up drinking?)

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plansbandc  May 18, 2020 • 5:04:38pm

Need to walk doggo but it’s too damn hot. (First world problem)

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2020 • 5:05:38pm

This is in Galveston County, Texas. Two people were shot and almost 200 people were arrested this weekend on Bolivar Peninsula.

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Teukka  May 18, 2020 • 5:06:08pm

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gocart mozart  May 18, 2020 • 5:07:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2020 • 5:08:11pm

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2020 • 5:12:07pm
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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2020 • 5:12:21pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2020 • 5:16:11pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 5:16:44pm

From the previous thread:

re: #348 DodgerFan1988

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plansbandc  May 18, 2020 • 5:18:18pm

re: #15 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And yet I have people in my generally lib group on FB that have said his medical people confirmed he’s taking the drug. Reading comprehension: Non-existent.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2020 • 5:18:23pm
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The Pie Overlord!  May 18, 2020 • 5:19:23pm

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2020 • 5:21:46pm

re: #19 The Pie Overlord!

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2020 • 5:24:25pm

I can’t say this is all of the reason he’s doing this, but it strikes me that it’s the perfect way to avoid responsibility while asserting a right to take credit.

Physicians aren’t going to prescribe the meds to people on a whim as a prophylactic, and as treatment it’s only being used as a last resort in some cases where it may or may not be a contributor to recovery. Anecdotes and urban myths about its efficacy will travel faster than clinical work saying that it doesn’t work (or works conditionally), so the idea that it has value can be floated in the popular information sphere of social media.

It’s therefore safe to characterize as a miracle drug that Trump has found for his people, but that a conspiracy is keeping from them.

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 5:25:33pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

So a defending lawyer is representing prosecutors to stop Flynn from getting away with it?

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A Mom Anon  May 18, 2020 • 5:25:58pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

Am I wrong for wanting to punch pretty much everyone in that video? JFC how many bodies have to stack up before people act like decent humans?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2020 • 5:27:36pm

re: #21 The Ghost of a Flea

I can’t say this is all of the reason he’s doing this, but it strikes me that it’s the perfect way to avoid responsibility while asserting a right to take credit.

Physicians aren’t going to prescribe the meds to people on a whim as a prophylactic, and as treatment it’s only being used as a last resort in some cases where it may or may not be a contributor to recovery. Anecdotes and urban myths about its efficacy will travel faster than clinical work saying that it doesn’t work (or works conditionally), so the idea that it has value can be floated in the popular information sphere of social media.

It’s therefore safe to characterize as a miracle drug that Trump has found for his people, but that a conspiracy is keeping from them.

Are you sure? Why was there a shortage where people who need it (for lupus, etc.) Couldn’t get it?

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2020 • 5:28:18pm
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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 5:29:58pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2020 • 5:30:49pm

re: #24 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Valid point, I’m not sure if the shortage corresponds to prescriptions being filled, since a bunch of companies that produce it have donated pills for clinical testings and to be stockpiled by HHS.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2020 • 5:30:57pm
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EPR-radar  May 18, 2020 • 5:33:25pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

To be fair, hallucinations and psychosis is Trump’ normal operating mode, so if he’s taking a drug with these side effects it may not be immediately apparent.

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2020 • 5:35:09pm

re: #24 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Are you sure? Why was there a shortage where people who need it (for lupus, etc.) Couldn’t get it?

If people can get fatal doses of opioids, they can get dangerous access to hydroxy.

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 5:35:24pm

Secretary Clinton was right to call them deplorable. They’re disgusting.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2020 • 5:38:09pm
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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2020 • 5:38:34pm

re: #29 EPR-radar

To be fair, hallucinations and psychosis is Trump’ normal operating mode, so if he’s taking a drug with these side effects it may not be immediately apparent.

We’ll know he’s into great shit when he starts talking like Sam Watterston doing Lincoln.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2020 • 5:39:28pm

There’s some kind of poetry in the way that hydroxychloroquine’s side effects are hard to differentiate from the physical and mental shit already going wrong with the president….

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2020 • 5:41:09pm

In the last hour I saw a reference to Biden’s strategy—he’s going for the Normie vote.

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lawhawk  May 18, 2020 • 5:41:39pm

Trump’s baffling with bulkshit.

He’s claiming that he’s taking a drug that has shown no benefit in dealing with covid19. Not for those showing symptoms. Not for anyone trying to prevent covid19.

He’s spewing bulkshit. No one knows what they hell he’s taking, let alone what other drugs he’s on. He’s just spewing nonsense and knowing some of it will stick because Fox will predictably regurgitate, except this appears to be a bridge too far for Cavuto, who called out Trump for claiming to be taking it now.

Does he have it? Is he covering for the fact he’s got it?

No one fucking knows, and no one trusts anything coming out from Trumpworld either. We just know that a lot of people in Trump’s orbit have gotten it. Trump doesn’t mask or social distance. That increases chances he and the rest of Trumpists are exposed and get it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  May 18, 2020 • 5:41:52pm

OK, I am not surprised Trump has stated he is taking hydroxychloroquine, supposedly prophylactically.
And, the statement released by his physician definitely makes me believe the doctor doesn’t exactly agree with it.

Now, what does make me raise an eyebrow is that he has stated that he’s taking it daily.
As an anti-malaria prophylactic it is usually taken weekly. I know I took chloroquine weekly. And, was always told if I couldn’t remember if I had taken my weekly dosage to wait until the next regular dosage day rolled around. When I was in Honduras everyone took their “pinks” on Tuesday. They would have a huge jar that the Mess Hall headcount desk for everyone.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2020 • 5:49:08pm

re: #36 lawhawk

Somewhere in here I think it should be noted that Trump cannot accept that something he said could be wrong…or require leavening with conditional statements or context…and he is returning to hydroxychloroquine as a kind of loyalty test: either you agree that it’s a good idea that cannot be questioned or you’re against him.

I mean, he could be taking it and that would not actually make it a better choice, from a clinical standpoint, for everyone else, but Trump’s whole thing is that nothing is true beyond his assertion of its validity…so if he does it then everyone else has to comply.

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jaunte  May 18, 2020 • 5:50:45pm
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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2020 • 5:52:06pm

re: #38 The Ghost of a Flea

Somewhere in here I think it should be noted that Trump cannot accept that something he said could be wrong…or require leavening with conditional statements or context…and he is returning to hydroxychloroquine as a kind of loyalty test: either you agree that it’s a good idea that cannot be questioned or you’re against him.

I mean, he could be taking it and that would not actually make it a better choice, from a clinical standpoint, for everyone else, but Trump’s whole thing is that nothing is true beyond his assertion of its validity…so if he does it then everyone else has to comply.

In his second term, the Holy Office will become a cabinet agency, Falwell to be Secretary of Questions,

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2020 • 5:52:58pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2020 • 5:54:38pm
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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2020 • 5:54:40pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  May 18, 2020 • 5:57:03pm

trump is doing this for his reelection. He takes the drug and doesn’t get sick so in November he can claim that the drug really works and 200,000 lives could have been saved if we had only listened to him. “all I know is that it works for me.”

Fuck trump.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2020 • 5:57:16pm

I’m dyin’. Nancy Pelosi has slain me.

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2020 • 5:57:27pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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Hope he sues Pelosi. Justice carries scales for a reason.

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PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2020 • 5:57:35pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Good thing that Nancy is calling him on this stuff.

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Skandal  May 18, 2020 • 5:58:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 5:58:44pm

Idiot.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 18, 2020 • 5:59:54pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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I am regretting ever having any doubt for Speaker Pelosi.

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PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2020 • 6:00:52pm

re: #50 I Would Prefer Not To

I never had any doubt about Nancy.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  May 18, 2020 • 6:00:55pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

I’m dyin’. Nancy Pelosi has slain me.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2020 • 6:03:16pm
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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2020 • 6:05:54pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

No shame—he’s just avoirdupois-gifted.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 18, 2020 • 6:08:45pm

re: #36 lawhawk

Trump’s baffling with bulkshit.

He’s claiming that he’s taking a drug that has shown no benefit in dealing with covid19. Not for those showing symptoms. Not for anyone trying to prevent covid19.

He’s spewing bulkshit. No one knows what they hell he’s taking, let alone what other drugs he’s on. He’s just spewing nonsense and knowing some of it will stick because Fox will predictably regurgitate, except this appears to be a bridge too far for Cavuto, who called out Trump for claiming to be taking it now.

Does he have it? Is he covering for the fact he’s got it?

No one fucking knows, and no one trusts anything coming out from Trumpworld either. We just know that a lot of people in Trump’s orbit have gotten it. Trump doesn’t mask or social distance. That increases chances he and the rest of Trumpists are exposed and get it.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2020 • 6:09:18pm
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jaunte  May 18, 2020 • 6:09:25pm

re: #54 Decatur Deb

A 22 stone diamond.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  May 18, 2020 • 6:10:19pm

Hell of a family

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PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2020 • 6:11:06pm

re: #57 jaunte

He is more like a couple of tons of kimberlite.

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juan carlos mescalero nine09  May 18, 2020 • 6:12:24pm

re: #2 Mattand

Rude wake up call, no?
Been there. Done that. Failed. Many a time. Many. I have no answers except it is a choice they have made, and frankly it scares the shit out of me.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2020 • 6:14:57pm

Instagram

Visit link in bio for full story.

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jaunte  May 18, 2020 • 6:15:10pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

It will be grimly entertaining when all the White House spokes drones are forced to stand up and announce that Trump is definitely not morbidly obese.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2020 • 6:15:41pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I’m sorry, sis. Your dad, brother and you are all monsters.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2020 • 6:17:13pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  May 18, 2020 • 6:19:25pm

Eddie Haskell has died.

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Disloyal Archangel  May 18, 2020 • 6:23:12pm

Your feel-good video of the day…

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 18, 2020 • 6:24:58pm

Chester County, PA COVID-19 stats as of yesterday;*
Confirmed cases: 2199 (+36)
Total tests: 10194 (+320)
Deaths: 220 (+0)

*- Was a very late and appears to have been only a partial update.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 18, 2020 • 6:25:13pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Hell of a family

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2020 • 6:27:35pm

Fun aside, someone on a drug that has documented psychological side effects should be temporarily relieved of nuclear launch authority.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  May 18, 2020 • 6:31:05pm

Good grief. He pinned this tweet on his page.

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 6:31:49pm

re: #47 PhillyPretzel

Good thing that Nancy is calling him on this stuff.

What did the HHS secretary say about why Americans were dying?

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The Pie Overlord!  May 18, 2020 • 6:32:24pm

JFC

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2020 • 6:33:01pm

re: #70 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Good grief. He pinned this tweet on his page.

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Pence needs to be Acting President for a few weeks or months.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  May 18, 2020 • 6:39:21pm

re: #72 The Pie Overlord!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2020 • 6:40:28pm

We’re all fucked. People have no common sense. They can’t manage staying at home or doing literally nothing to save their own lives (and that if their family members). Fuck.

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lawhawk  May 18, 2020 • 6:44:27pm

The WH letter doesn’t actually indicate that Trump’s taking HCQ.

It’s merely that they’re continuing to monitor things, and that HCQ is something they’re monitoring.

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2020 • 6:50:56pm

French schools re-opened. Seven of them just re-closed after 70 cases.

independent.co.uk

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The Pie Overlord!  May 18, 2020 • 6:54:06pm

POS45 is on a Twitter rampage against Neil Cavuto right now.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 18, 2020 • 6:54:52pm

He’s too enraged to make up his own Tweets, so he is ferociously retweeting his greatest asskissers like Bill Mitchell.

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2020 • 6:55:04pm

re: #78 The Pie Overlord!

POS45 is on a Twitter rampage against Neil Cavuto right now.

FFS

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 18, 2020 • 6:56:20pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2020 • 6:56:25pm

re: #2 Mattand

I have family members completely brainwashed by Fox, OANN, Churches, Hate Radio and Right wing sites. They are convinced that there is no such thing as COVID 19.

You cannot engage in a battle of wits with them.

So I just kiss them off. If they get sick, it’s their fault.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  May 18, 2020 • 6:57:08pm

Was reminded that with all the Mount Saint Helens anniversary today, everyone seemed to forget the 25th anniversary yesterday

The American Tank Rampage: San Diego neighborhood terrorized by Army vet driving stolen tank in 1995

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The Pie Overlord!  May 18, 2020 • 6:59:53pm

We’re going to have a Twitter tsunami of “Crazy Nancy” “Nervous Nancy” “Skinny Nancy” “Anorexic Nancy” aren’t we…

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lawhawk  May 18, 2020 • 7:00:31pm

Trump’s so busy reading his PDBs and briefings from health care experts that he’s spending his entire evening watching Fox and spewing nonsense on twitter.

His fuckups get worse and worse, and his base doesn’t give a shit all while Fox continues serving up his favored agitprop.

That Cavuto went off script shows just how closely tied Trump’s outlook is to his coverage on Fox. The moment the propagandists turn on him, he’s well and truly fucked there.

Hannity and Ingraham are going the extra mile lying for Trump tonight - trying to claim Obama’s H1N1 response was somehow magnitudes worse than Trump’s covid19 response, even as we’re watching Trump’s death toll soar past 90,000 while there were ~10,000 H1N1 deaths. That’s a 9-1 ratio. But we’re supposed to think Obama did worse?

Trump inherited a strong economy and crashed it on his failed response. Obama inherited a shitty economy, dealt with a pandemic, and stabilized the economy and protected health for Americans simultaneously.

Yeah, the Fox propagandists are working overtime and then some.

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juan carlos mescalero nine09  May 18, 2020 • 7:04:54pm

Nite nite all.
This song jumped back in my head earlier.
Put phones on it’s a hell of a job FOH and the band absolutely kills it.
Caro Emerald can bring it.

Caro Emerald Live - A Night Like This @ Sziget 2012

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 18, 2020 • 7:11:04pm

Just kicked a gnat’s nest over. What the hell, Not like I really have anything really going on.

I am going to burn in some sort of hell, aren’t I?

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The Pie Overlord!  May 18, 2020 • 7:14:25pm

re: #87 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Just kicked a gnat’s nest over. What the hell, Not like I really have anything really going on.

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I am going to burn in some sort of hell, aren’t I?

Nah but you’re gonna do a lot of blocking on Twitter.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2020 • 7:14:25pm

Antibody on the ‘Ronas.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 18, 2020 • 7:19:21pm

re: #88 The Pie Overlord!

Nah but you’re gonna do a lot of blocking on Twitter.

Not a problem. Like I said, I don’t have a whole hell of a lot to do. Hey! I posted up stream I am looking for a pizza/grilling/baking stone. You have any recommendations?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2020 • 7:23:33pm

re: #84 The Pie Overlord!

We’re going to have a Twitter tsunami of “Crazy Nancy” “Nervous Nancy” “Skinny Nancy” “Anorexic Nancy” aren’t we…

Gosh I can’t wait for Screw Screwitt’s latest meltdown in The Washington Post!

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gocart mozart  May 18, 2020 • 7:24:29pm

I know I’m citing a David Simon article to David Simon


The actor on the left is the real life Little Melvin Williams

Youtube Video

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The Pie Overlord!  May 18, 2020 • 7:24:50pm

re: #90 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Not a problem. Like I said, I don’t have a whole hell of a lot to do. Hey! I posted up stream I am looking for a pizza/grilling/baking stone. You have any recommendations?

This is the one that I have. (It was much cheaper when I bought it)

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 7:26:39pm

re: #39 jaunte

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2020 • 7:28:17pm

re: #90 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Not a problem. Like I said, I don’t have a whole hell of a lot to do. Hey! I posted up stream I am looking for a pizza/grilling/baking stone. You have any recommendations?

This is the one my friend Nancy uses for her pizza parties!

crateandbarrel.com

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 18, 2020 • 7:31:30pm

re: #93 The Pie Overlord!

This is the one that I have. (It was much cheaper when I bought it)

Ouch! A bit more than I was looking to spend but, other than bread (and pizza) any problem with using it to cook meat or should I go with separating the two if I decide to buy one (or two)?

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plansbandc  May 18, 2020 • 7:31:35pm

re: #94 Patricia Kayden

Maggs being Maggs.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2020 • 7:31:37pm

Question…… There was a Snakeoil that used to be sold back in the 80’s. You’d see it for sale at fleas markets and truckstops. It wand suppose to help arthritis and other things and I think it was a liniment. The problem was it was actually a chemical
solvent. Lots of controversy……. Anyone remember what that stuff was? I thinK MeatMouth was a proponent of it.
Does this ring a bell?

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jaunte  May 18, 2020 • 7:33:29pm

Trump is raising a twitter mob against Neil Cavuto.

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danarchy  May 18, 2020 • 7:34:02pm

re: #98 Dave In Austin

Question…… There was a Snakeoil that used to be sold back in the 80’s. You’d see it for sale at fleas markets and truckstops. It wand suppose to help arthritis and other things and I think it was a liniment. The problem was it was actually a chemical
solvent. Lots of controversy……. Anyone remember what that stuff was? I thinK MeatMouth was a proponent of it.
Does this ring a bell?

Black salve? That still makes the rounds in the “alternative medicine” circles

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Interesting Times  May 18, 2020 • 7:34:55pm

re: #99 jaunte

Trump is raising a twitter mob against Neil Cavuto.

Though his methods suggest that (normal personality aside), maybe he is taking the drug and experiencing hallucinations after all:

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 18, 2020 • 7:36:21pm

re: #95 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is the one my friend Nancy uses for her pizza parties!

crateandbarrel.com

Thanks. I like that it’s dual purpose. Price is also more within my range

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calochortus  May 18, 2020 • 7:36:59pm

re: #98 Dave In Austin

Question…… There was a Snakeoil that used to be sold back in the 80’s. You’d see it for sale at fleas markets and truckstops. It wand suppose to help arthritis and other things and I think it was a liniment. The problem was it was actually a chemical
solvent. Lots of controversy……. Anyone remember what that stuff was? I thinK MeatMouth was a proponent of it.
Does this ring a bell?

DMSO?

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retired cynic  May 18, 2020 • 7:37:46pm

re: #98 Dave In Austin

Question…… There was a Snakeoil that used to be sold back in the 80’s. You’d see it for sale at fleas markets and truckstops. It wand suppose to help arthritis and other things and I think it was a liniment. The problem was it was actually a chemical
solvent. Lots of controversy……. Anyone remember what that stuff was? I thinK MeatMouth was a proponent of it.
Does this ring a bell?

Not snake oil, although it could be misused. DMSO. The best solvent. If something is on your skin, and you add DMSO, it will take it through. The best anti-inflammatory. We used it with the horses. Externally on injuries. On newborn foals that appeared to have suffered hypoxia in the birth process, we used it IV. I certainly have used it on my own sore joints and muscles. Look up veterinary uses. We were told by vets that it never got research funding, because no one could make money on it. We kept it on hand at all times. There is a milder form: MSM. Still very good as an anti-inflammatory.

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 7:43:33pm
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Sherlock Hound  May 18, 2020 • 7:46:34pm

re: #98 Dave In Austin

Question…… There was a Snakeoil that used to be sold back in the 80’s. You’d see it for sale at fleas markets and truckstops. It wand suppose to help arthritis and other things and I think it was a liniment. The problem was it was actually a chemical
solvent. Lots of controversy……. Anyone remember what that stuff was? I thinK MeatMouth was a proponent of it.
Does this ring a bell?

DMSO

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 7:48:47pm

re: #101 Interesting Times

Though his methods suggest that (normal personality aside), maybe he is taking the drug and experiencing hallucinations after all:

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He’s retweeting anything with his name that vaguely sounds good.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2020 • 7:49:02pm

re: #105 Patricia Kayden

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Wow! Captain Swiftboat dares to use the phrase “drive by shooting”…like he did to John McCain and John Kerry…

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The Pie Overlord!  May 18, 2020 • 7:49:37pm

re: #96 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Ouch! A bit more than I was looking to spend but, other than bread (and pizza) any problem with using it to cook meat or should I go with separating the two if I decide to buy one (or two)?

I have never used the stone for anything other than bread baking.

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Sherlock Hound  May 18, 2020 • 7:50:20pm

Priti Patel is a Tory, through and through. “End Free Movement:” I’m gobsmacked she says this out loud! That was a point of the old DDR!

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 7:50:50pm

re: #99 jaunte

Trump is raising a twitter mob against Neil Cavuto.

And we all just shrug like it’s normal for a president to engage in such fascist conduct. It’s amazing what he has normalized in under four years.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2020 • 7:51:35pm

Hey now we got a Senate candidate in Kansas telling everyone to take that delicious orange pill!

“Republican Rep. Roger Marshall, an obstetrician who is running for Senate in Kansas, said he feels that using hydroxychloroquine as a preventive measure will minimize the risk or impact of the coronavirus. Mr. Marshall said he is taking it ‘prophylactically’ himself, as are his parents, siblings and wife,” The Wall Street Journal reported Monday.

“I would encourage any person over the age of 65 or with an underlying medical condition to talk to their own physician about taking hydroxychloroquine and I’m relieved President Trump is taking it,” he said.

Uh negatori on that Roger. I don’t want to take a dirt nap…for at least another 20 years…

rawstory.com

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Sherlock Hound  May 18, 2020 • 7:52:45pm

re: #109 The Pie Overlord!

I have never used the stone for anything other than bread baking.

I leave mine in the oven at all times. I have a cast iron griddle that I preheat for pizza, and I’ve found it is very convenient for baking potatoes, fries, and almost everything else. The stone complements the griddle nicely.

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 7:54:16pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

And we all just shrug like it’s normal for a president to engage in such fascist conduct. It’s amazing what he has normalized in under four years.

Only of we means the GOP. Pretty sure the rest of us are weirded out.

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jaunte  May 18, 2020 • 7:54:37pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 7:54:41pm

re: #112 Joe Bacon 🌹

I feel mean enough tonight to applaud Deplorables for wolfing down hydroxychloriquine. They ignore scientists to follow the Idiot in Chief so 🤷🏾‍♀️.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2020 • 7:55:01pm

re: #100 danarchy

No.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2020 • 7:56:01pm

Is it just me noticing it now or are more and more assholes coming out of the closet?

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 7:56:07pm
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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2020 • 7:56:31pm

re: #106 Sherlock Hound

DMSO

That’s it. Wasn’t Trump a big fan of this as well?

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 7:57:11pm

re: #118 Joe Bacon 🌹

Is it just me noticing it now or are more and more assholes coming out of the closet?

I have to say that my drive to work this morning felt like the drivers were more reckless than usual.

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Sherlock Hound  May 18, 2020 • 7:57:30pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

And we all just shrug like it’s normal for a president to engage in such fascist conduct. It’s amazing what he has normalized in under four years.

Everyone says, “We can’t take another four years of this!”

I say, “What if we CAN take four more years of this?” What has Trump normalized over the past four years? What will he and his Republican co-conspirators normalize next? I’m convinced there will be a nuclear “incident”, and the press will triangulate the crap out of it to make it seem that it was a planned incident, and more importantly, a justified one.

What other things are we normalizing? What more will we normalize next? It wasn’t that bad before Nuremburg, right?

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gocart mozart  May 18, 2020 • 7:59:54pm
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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 8:01:20pm

Thread:

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 8:04:13pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 18, 2020 • 8:04:22pm

re: #109 The Pie Overlord!

I have never used the stone for anything other than bread baking.

Thanks.

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gocart mozart  May 18, 2020 • 8:06:29pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2020 • 8:07:57pm

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

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Another day, another racist asshole empowered by Trump!

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 18, 2020 • 8:08:03pm

Night Lizards. See you in the morning.

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jaunte  May 18, 2020 • 8:08:12pm
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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 8:08:18pm

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

Just for the gif:

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 8:09:19pm

re: #130 jaunte

If Jeff will buy the company and give the vaccine away I will order from Amazon for the rest of my life.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2020 • 8:12:10pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 8:16:03pm

re: #122 Sherlock Hound

My only hope is that the blue wave of 2018 will be replicated this November. Trump is going to further trample over the Constitution if he wins. He’s already feeling very unleashed now. Our democracy won’t survive another four more years of Trump the Wannabe Dictator.

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 8:17:34pm

re: #128 Joe Bacon 🌹

Another day, another racist asshole empowered by Trump!

Yep. I wonder how they’ll behave when they’re in the minority. 🤔

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dat_said  May 18, 2020 • 8:20:24pm

re: #106 Sherlock Hound

DMSO

Had a couple of college track teammates try DMSO in the early 80s. Couldn’t stand within 12 feet of them - their breath and sweat smelled of beyond rancid milk.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2020 • 8:23:52pm

re: #136 dat_said

Had a couple of college track teammates try DMSO in the early 80s. Couldn’t stand within 12 feet of them - their breath and sweat smelled of beyond rancid milk.

I remember Dad tried DMSO once…and he smelled like shucked oysters…Mom was saying he OD’d on Hilton’s Oyster Stew…Mom and I always joked about that soup… you’d open the can, heat it up and there was always only ONE shucked oyster in the can!

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gocart mozart  May 18, 2020 • 8:24:02pm
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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 18, 2020 • 8:25:54pm

Yet another picture of the Golden Gate, this time with clear skies right after a rainstorm.

Here’s a view of San Francisco. The flash is either a reflection off the roof, or the CS people Doing Something.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 18, 2020 • 8:29:00pm

It’s getting late in the season, but there are still flowers.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 18, 2020 • 8:31:20pm

And more…

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 8:32:15pm

re: #138 gocart mozart

She’s so funny but this is scary. Our President is a dangerous, lying, bigoted idiot.

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 8:35:22pm

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Jebediah, RBG  May 18, 2020 • 8:42:59pm

re: #98 Dave In Austin

Question…… There was a Snakeoil that used to be sold back in the 80’s. You’d see it for sale at fleas markets and truckstops. It wand suppose to help arthritis and other things and I think it was a liniment. The problem was it was actually a chemical
solvent. Lots of controversy……. Anyone remember what that stuff was? I thinK MeatMouth was a proponent of it.
Does this ring a bell?

DMSO?

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Dread Pirate  May 18, 2020 • 8:48:47pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2020 • 8:53:00pm
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TedStriker  May 18, 2020 • 8:53:01pm

re: #98 Dave In Austin

Question…… There was a Snakeoil that used to be sold back in the 80’s. You’d see it for sale at fleas markets and truckstops. It wand suppose to help arthritis and other things and I think it was a liniment. The problem was it was actually a chemical
solvent. Lots of controversy……. Anyone remember what that stuff was? I thinK MeatMouth was a proponent of it.
Does this ring a bell?

re: #144 Jebediah, RBG

DMSO?

Sounds like it.

Medicine
Use of DMSO in medicine dates from around 1963, when an Oregon Health & Science University Medical School team, headed by Stanley Jacob, discovered it could penetrate the skin and other membranes without damaging them and could carry other compounds into a biological system. In medicine, DMSO is predominantly used as a topical analgesic, a vehicle for topical application of pharmaceuticals, as an anti-inflammatory, and an antioxidant.[20] Because DMSO increases the rate of absorption of some compounds through biological tissues, including skin, it is used in some transdermal drug delivery systems. Its effect may be enhanced with the addition of EDTA. It is frequently compounded with antifungal medications, enabling them to penetrate not just skin but also toenails and fingernails.

DMSO has been examined for the treatment of numerous conditions and ailments, but the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved its use only for the symptomatic relief of patients with interstitial cystitis.[21] A 1978 study concluded that DMSO brought significant relief to the majority of the 213 patients with inflammatory genitourinary disorders that were studied.[22] The authors recommended DMSO for genitourinary inflammatory conditions not caused by infection or tumor in which symptoms were severe or patients failed to respond to conventional therapy.

A gel containing DMSO, dexpanthenol, and heparin, is sold in Germany and eastern Europe (commercialized under the Dolobene[23] brand) for topical use in sprains, tendinitis, and local inflammation.[24]

In interventional radiology, DMSO is used as a solvent for ethylene vinyl alcohol in the Onyx liquid embolic agent, which is used in embolization, the therapeutic occlusion of blood vessels.

In medical research, DMSO is often used as a drug vehicle in in vivo and in vitro experiments. However, when a researcher is unaware of its pleiotropic effects, or when the control groups are not carefully planned, a bias can occur; an effect of DMSO can be falsely attributed to the drug.[25] For example, even a very low dose of DMSO has a powerful protective effect against paracetamol (acetaminophen)-induced liver injury in mice.[26]

In cryobiology DMSO has been used as a cryoprotectant and is still an important constituent of cryoprotectant vitrification mixtures used to preserve organs, tissues, and cell suspensions. Without it, up to 90% of frozen cells will become inactive. It is particularly important in the freezing and long-term storage of embryonic stem cells and hematopoietic stem cells, which are often frozen in a mixture of 10% DMSO, a freezing medium, and 30% fetal bovine serum. In the cryogenic freezing of heteroploid cell lines (MDCK, VERO, etc.) a mixture of 10% DMSO with 90% EMEM (70% EMEM + 30% fetal bovine serum + antibiotic mixture) is used. As part of an autologous bone marrow transplant the DMSO is re-infused along with the patient’s own hematopoietic stem cells.

DMSO is metabolized by disproportionation to dimethyl sulfide and dimethyl sulfone. It is subject to renal and pulmonary excretion. A possible side effect of DMSO is therefore elevated blood dimethyl sulfide, which may cause a blood borne halitosis symptom.[citation needed]

Alternative medicine
DMSO is marketed as an alternative medicine. Its popularity as an alternative cure is stated to stem from a 60 Minutes documentary featuring an early proponent.[27] However, DMSO is an ingredient in some products listed by the U.S. FDA as fake cancer cures[28] and the FDA has had a running battle with distributors.[27] One such distributor is Mildred Miller, who promoted DMSO for a variety of disorders and was consequently convicted of Medicare fraud.[27]

The use of DMSO as an alternative treatment for cancer is of particular concern, as it has been shown to interfere with a variety of chemotherapy drugs, including cisplatin, carboplatin, and oxaliplatin.[29] There is insufficient evidence to support the hypothesis that DMSO has any effect,[30] and most sources agree that its history of side effects when tested warrants caution when using it as a dietary supplement, for which it is marketed heavily with the usual disclaimer.

Veterinary medicine
DMSO is commonly used in veterinary medicine as a liniment for horses, alone or in combination with other ingredients. In the latter case, often, the intended function of the DMSO is as a solvent, to carry the other ingredients across the skin. Also in horses, DMSO is used intravenously, again alone or in combination with other drugs. It is used alone for the treatment of increased intracranial pressure and/or cerebral edema in horses.

en.wikipedia.org

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austin_blue  May 18, 2020 • 8:53:59pm

re: #110 Sherlock Hound

Priti Patel is a Tory, through and through. “End Free Movement:” I’m gobsmacked she says this out loud! That was a point of the old DDR!

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In addition, only allowing people into to the UK who meet “special skills” is pointless if your country can’t afford to pay them.

Stupid Tories.

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retired cynic  May 18, 2020 • 8:55:06pm

re: #146 Patricia Kayden

I think the sun just arose in the west….

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2020 • 8:56:34pm
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retired cynic  May 18, 2020 • 8:58:06pm

re: #147 TedStriker

Thank you! Good summary. As I said, we used it in newborn foals that showed signs of hypoxia from birth stress. My husband made me promise that if he had a stroke, I would somehow find a way to get some into him.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 18, 2020 • 9:03:13pm

re: #144 Jebediah, RBG

DMSO?

Looks like I was DM Soooo slow

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retired cynic  May 18, 2020 • 9:04:06pm

re: #151 retired cynic

Several other things, before I crash for the night: if you touch a drop of it, you will taste it immediately. It is that fast.

The odor is said to be pungent garlic. It is pervasive. If we were treating a horse, my “son” could always tell, when he hit the gate a quarter mile from the barns in the morning.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  May 18, 2020 • 9:06:38pm
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Targetpractice  May 18, 2020 • 9:08:25pm

I think there’s a vital question that’s being missed. Donny’s entire excuse for not wearing a mask is because everybody he comes in contact with is regularly tested and nobody who tests positive is allowed near him. So, if we assume that to be the case, then why would he need to take HCQ as a prophylactic?

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 9:11:10pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

I think there’s a vital question that’s being missed. Donny’s entire excuse for not wearing a mask is because everybody he comes in contact with is regularly tested and nobody who tests positive is allowed near him. So, if we assume that to be the case, then why would he need to take HCQ as a prophylactic?

Assuming he’s taking it, it’s because he’s paranoid especially since the virus made it into the White House from two different sources. He probably thinks it will keep him from getting the virus.

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2020 • 9:19:36pm

re: #147 TedStriker

Dolobene gel is very commonly used here by older Czechs (and sometimes younger people too). I recognized the “DMSO smell” the first time I encountered it here….my ex-wife used it when she sprained her ankle one time. I remembered it because my grandmother used it back in the early 1980s, when it was being hailed as a medical miracle.

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 9:29:54pm
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austin_blue  May 18, 2020 • 9:30:09pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

I think there’s a vital question that’s being missed. Donny’s entire excuse for not wearing a mask is because everybody he comes in contact with is regularly tested and nobody who tests positive is allowed near him. So, if we assume that to be the case, then why would he need to take HCQ as a prophylactic?

Because he’s a rampant germophobe.

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 9:30:25pm
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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 9:33:12pm
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teleskiguy  May 18, 2020 • 9:35:31pm

re: #158 Belafon

Giphy

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austin_blue  May 18, 2020 • 9:41:28pm

re: #157 Dr Lizardo

Dolobene gel is very commonly used here by older Czechs (and sometimes younger people too). I recognized the “DMSO smell” the first time I encountered it here….my ex-wife used it when she sprained her ankle one time. I remembered it because my grandmother used it back in the early 1980s, when it was being hailed as a medical miracle.

When they closed Tulane stadium as an NFL venue, we used to play club soccer there. The field was AstroTurf. Man, that surface was hard, and it tore us up. Smooth, even, weather resistant, but it had no give. We had DMSO gel in the locker room which we would apply to calves and ankles after showering. Yes, you could taste it right away, and yes, you smelled like a garlic/rotten egg factory after you left practice.

But twenty minutes and a cigarette later (don’t judge me) it was gone. And it worked. It really took the sting that AstroTurf left you with after a practice.

I hated AstroTurf. Too damn hard, too grippy, and left you with road rash every single fucking day.

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Belafon  May 18, 2020 • 9:42:45pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2020 • 9:43:48pm

I believe trump believes he is taking hydroxychloroquine. But he’s actually being given Flintstones chewable vitamins.

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Targetpractice  May 18, 2020 • 9:48:35pm

re: #161 Belafon

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The wingnuts are half right, the numbers are being manipulated. What they’re wrong about is by who and for what purpose.

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mmmirele  May 18, 2020 • 9:48:44pm

re: #98 Dave In Austin

Question…… There was a Snakeoil that used to be sold back in the 80’s. You’d see it for sale at fleas markets and truckstops. It wand suppose to help arthritis and other things and I think it was a liniment. The problem was it was actually a chemical
solvent. Lots of controversy……. Anyone remember what that stuff was? I thinK MeatMouth was a proponent of it.
Does this ring a bell?

DMSO? Dimethylsulfoxide? I seem to remember watching a 60 Minutes about it decades ago (like the 1970s).

webmd.com

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2020 • 9:51:05pm

re: #165 GlutenFreeJesus

I believe trump believes he is taking hydroxychloroquine. But he’s actually being given Flintstones chewable vitamins.

Heh. It’s certainly possible Trump thinks he’s taking hydroxycholorquine but he’s really just taking a placebo or something. That’d be no shocker at all.

Definitely got a chuckle out of Pelosi’s concern trolling Trump - she’s single-handedly kicked off the “Girther” movement. We need to see Trump’s wide-form girth certificate.

Seriously, Trump is in a high-risk COVID-19 category; over 65 and obese as hell.

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plansbandc  May 18, 2020 • 9:53:28pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

And people still believe what he says. It’s astonishing.

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Disloyal Archangel  May 18, 2020 • 9:55:42pm
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Targetpractice  May 18, 2020 • 10:00:28pm
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Dread Pirate  May 18, 2020 • 10:01:23pm
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Dread Pirate  May 18, 2020 • 10:12:36pm
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Targetpractice  May 18, 2020 • 10:15:19pm

re: #173 Dread Pirate

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And every one of them should tell him that, in keeping with precedent not only set by this administration by endorsed by the Senate Judiciary Committee chair and his party leadership, they will not be complying with those subpoenas and do not consider them valid unless passed by a vote by the entire Senate. So Leningrad Lindsey can not only go to Hell, they will happily provide him with directions.

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Dread Pirate  May 18, 2020 • 10:16:05pm

Lindsey is going to wind up fucking a goat live on CSPAN. You can legislate great things and they won’t call you a great legislator, but you fuck one goat….

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 18, 2020 • 10:18:53pm

re: #118 Joe Bacon 🌹

Is it just me noticing it now or are more and more assholes coming out of the closet?

What, you don’t feel “owned” by all this?
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Dread Pirate  May 18, 2020 • 10:20:51pm

We’re Number One!

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Citizen K  May 18, 2020 • 10:24:12pm
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austin_blue  May 18, 2020 • 10:29:52pm

re: #164 Belafon

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Look, a 7-year old Kia engine should not fail all by itself, unless you haven’t changed the oil or poured sugar in the gas tank since you bought it.

The engine itself is 1960’s tech. It has a gas tank, a fuel line, a gas pump, a fuel filter, and carburetor or injection system, and spark plugs that ignite the gas in the cylinders that make the pistons go up and down, turning the crankshaft and delivering the power, through the transmission, to make the car go forward. The spark plugs may be fired electronically by an engine module or by an old school distributor which is connected to a timing belt.

Given that your vehicle is only seven years old, I would suspect what you have is a dead engine control module, not a dead engine.

Of *course*, shysters want to tell you that it’s not an engine control module, but a dead engine.

But here’s a clue:

kiapartsnow.com()

That’s still a hit, but it’s a much more absorbable hit than going to a junk yard, finding a new engine, putting it into your vehicle, then realizing the engine control module was the problem in the first place. Good luck.

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Dread Pirate  May 18, 2020 • 10:44:09pm
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austin_blue  May 18, 2020 • 10:53:47pm

Aaaand it’s time for the rack.

My hair hasn’t been this long since I was eighteen.

And for a good reason. I am, more and more, looking like Bozo the Clown.

I’ve got a Germano-Irish Fro.

Not attractive.

Oh, how we suffer during Love In The Time Of Corona.

Yet, we’ll stumble through.

Night all, sweet scaly dreams.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2020 • 11:20:56pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

Not even SNL could not write something as ridiculous as this actual, real news report from my local station

He have reached full Idiocracy

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Dread Pirate  May 18, 2020 • 11:30:12pm

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He have reached full Idiocracy

Even the reporter wasn’t wearing a mask. They really do breed ‘em dumb down in Texas.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2020 • 11:35:24pm

Reporter was at a safe distance.

Had a weird dream that I met Jacob Wohl at a party and he turned out to be the brother of Felicitas Woll, a German actress (Berlin, Berlin!) and actually a decent and somewhat misunderstood fellow. In the dream at least.

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Dread Pirate  May 18, 2020 • 11:43:47pm

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well he was holding a microphone to up to people’s mouths, I’m pretty sure his arm isn’t 6’ long. Give these states a week to an increase in cases and another 10 days for an increase in deaths.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2020 • 11:45:23pm

re: #185 Dread Pirate

Well he was holding a microphone to up to people’s mouths, I’m pretty sure his arm isn’t 6’ long. Give these states a week to an increase in cases and another 10 days for an increase in deaths.

Aha. Still waking up, that part did not register. Yes, total bag-of-hammers stupid.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 18, 2020 • 11:46:09pm

Accidentally stranded this and so put it here

re: #43 Eric The Fruit Bat

Dogs have masters, cats have staff.

Dogs have buddies!

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DodgerFan1988  May 19, 2020 • 1:43:12am

Why is the GOP acting exactly like the Chinese Communist Party in covering up and downplaying Coronavirus case numbers?

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ericblair  May 19, 2020 • 1:51:10am

Yes, I’m quite sure London and New York had higher death rates than originally reported; this fucking proves what? The Russian state media is getting completely hysterical about suppressing any COVID statistics that don’t toe the party line.

Welcome to classic authoritarianism, where *everything* is understood only as competitive dick-waving. And fixing the problem is like fixing a car engine by taping over the “check engine” light.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 19, 2020 • 1:53:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 1:56:20am

re: #190 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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A Hubert Parry Air?

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Dread Pirate  May 19, 2020 • 2:20:31am

China should adopt the US share of $120 million and lock the US out of WHO.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 19, 2020 • 2:21:50am

re: #23 A Mom Anon

What are the odds that someone in that video is the same girl from the Alamo Drafthouse’s “No Talking/No Texting” PSA?

Angry Voicemail We Got From an Alamo Drafthouse Customer

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Dread Pirate  May 19, 2020 • 2:23:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 2:26:56am

re: #194 Dread Pirate

In a world where Trump is held up as a role model, Netanyahu seems squeaky clean in comparison, Chemi Shalev writes

Remember, to these people being anti-Nethanjahu = being anti-Israel = being anti-Semite.

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Dread Pirate  May 19, 2020 • 2:37:48am

You will ride eternal, shiny and chrome.

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John Hughes  May 19, 2020 • 3:27:11am

re: #110 Sherlock Hound

Priti Patel is a Tory, through and through. “End Free Movement:” I’m gobsmacked she says this out loud! That was a point of the old DDR!

There’s a lot of confusion about what “free movement” means in this context.

In full “free movement” is: “Free movement of labour(*), capital, goods and services inside the single market”.

((*) Later clarified to “free movement of people”, as you can’t have free movement of “labour” if dependents are not allowed to move with the “labourer”).

Patel’s fake ideological position is that “free movement” in that sense is discriminatory, it only applies to people from inside the single market. So replacing free movement by work visas for everybody from outside the UK is “fairer”.

Actually she’s just a xenophobic authoritarian scumbag.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 3:30:48am

re: #197 John Hughes

There’s a lot of confusion about what “free movement” means in this context.

In full “free movement” is: “Free movement of labour(*), capital, goods and services inside the single market”.

The EU has made it clear to the UK: goods, capital and people all have to move freely, you cannot selectively restrict one or the other.

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Decatur Deb  May 19, 2020 • 3:32:18am

Mayo Clinic side effect list on hydroxy includes:

feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there

unusual behavior

mayoclinic.org

How many people in the world are on mind-altering meds and can launch a nuclear war?
Ans—more than 0, less than 10.

Other than that, who’s having chocolate cake for breakfast?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 3:38:21am

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Mayo Clinic side effect list on hydroxy includes:

feeling that you are the victim of a Deep State Witch Hunt

feeling that the Press is asking you nasty questions

feeling that nation is not sufficiently appreciative or grateful for the outstanding job you and your family have been doing…

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John Hughes  May 19, 2020 • 3:42:37am

re: #132 Belafon

If Jeff will buy the company and give the vaccine away I will order from Amazon for the rest of my life.

Jeff will buy the company, the vaccine will be available to people who sign up for Amazon Pr1me for the rest of their lives.

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steve_davis  May 19, 2020 • 3:56:24am

re: #127 gocart mozart

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I just want to point out that under the NBA’s interpretation of the rule, none of that was traveling.

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John Hughes  May 19, 2020 • 4:02:28am

re: #185 Dread Pirate

Well he was holding a microphone to up to people’s mouths, I’m pretty sure his arm isn’t 6’ long.

All the street interviews on French TV they use a mic boom to for the interviewee these days. With a replaceable condom on the microphone itself.

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ericblair  May 19, 2020 • 4:02:59am

re: #197 John Hughes

There’s a lot of confusion about what “free movement” means in this context.

In full “free movement” is: “Free movement of labour(*), capital, goods and services inside the single market”.

((*) Later clarified to “free movement of people”, as you can’t have free movement of “labour” if dependents are not allowed to move with the “labourer”).

Patel’s fake ideological position is that “free movement” in that sense is discriminatory, it only applies to people from inside the single market. So replacing free movement by work visas for everybody from outside the UK is “fairer”.

Actually she’s just a xenophobic authoritarian scumbag.

What the Tory voters hear: “end free movement” = “no more Polish plumbers”.

It also means “no more Spanish nurses”, which may be a little more of an issue. It also kind of glides over the fact that “we’re going to make it up with Indian and Filipino workers on coercive work visas, not you lazy sorry whiny lot.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 4:05:46am

re: #204 ericblair

What the Tory voters hear: “end free movement” = “no more Polish plumbers”.

It also means “no more Spanish nurses”, which may be a little more of an issue. It also kind of glides over the fact that “we’re going to make it up with Indian and Filipino workers on coercive work visas, not you lazy sorry whiny lot.”

Not to mention “customs inspections for perishable goods coming in and out of the UK and delays on non-perishables”

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John Hughes  May 19, 2020 • 4:05:53am

re: #188 DodgerFan1988

Why is the GOP acting exactly like the Chinese Communist Party in covering up and downplaying Coronavirus case numbers?

Not exactlty like the CCP, who covered up the disease at the start, have downplayed numbers and instituted massive measures to stop the disease when the recognised it was serious.

The difference between evil and moronic and evil and smart. The CCP understands that having their population die is a bad thing, the GOP, not so much.

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John Hughes  May 19, 2020 • 4:09:03am

re: #192 Dread Pirate

China should adopt the US share of $120 million and lock the US out of WHO.

Personally, I’d rather the EU did it. The biggest joke would be if a few third world countries clubbed together and did it. Or Gates just said “fuck it, I’ll pay it out of pocket change”. (The Gates Foundation already pays more that the US’s fixed payments).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 4:09:48am

re: #206 John Hughes

The difference between evil and moronic and evil and smart. The CCP understands that having their population die is a bad thing, the GOP, not so much.

I even believe that most of the GOP understands that, but this is coming down to a Trump thing…he is worried sick about covering the debt that his hotels are under and there is only so long he can cover it up through shell companies, straw men and third-parties

At some point, they are going to call those loans in and it will look really bad for the “successful businessman” he claims to be

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steve_davis  May 19, 2020 • 4:18:26am

re: #181 austin_blue

Aaaand it’s time for the rack.

My hair hasn’t been this long since I was eighteen.

And for a good reason. I am, more and more, looking like Bozo the Clown.

I’ve got a Germano-Irish Fro.

Not attractive.

Oh, how we suffer during Love In The Time Of Corona.

Yet, we’ll stumble through.

Night all, sweet scaly dreams.

I actually managed to cut myself with my new barber scissors from Amazon yesterday. Not the scalp. One of my fucking fingers from when I tried to get all fancy and hold some strands as I cut above them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 4:20:24am

re: #209 steve_davis

I actually managed to cut myself with my new barber scissors from Amazon yesterday. Not the scalp. One of my fucking fingers from when I tried to get all fancy and hold some strands as I cut above them.

My hair has not been this long since 2012…I have taken to washing it only 2x a week (I shower more often but from the neck down) and it is holding up well, getting less greasy, as the scalp gives of more oil the more it is washed…

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ericblair  May 19, 2020 • 4:36:15am

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I even believe that most of the GOP understands that, but this is coming down to a Trump thing…he is worried sick about covering the debt that his hotels are under and there is only so long he can cover it up through shell companies, straw men and third-parties

At some point, they are going to call those loans in and it will look really bad for the “successful businessman” he claims to be

This is seriously overlooked by almost everybody. The Trump Org is rapidly bleeding out, so they need to get back to international grifting as soon as possible.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 4:43:38am

re: #211 ericblair

This is seriously overlooked by almost everybody. The Trump Org is rapidly bleeding out, so they need to get back to international grifting as soon as possible.

It only came to me recently: I wondered why Trump cannot own up to the crisis and get people to rally around the President…the people are ready to support strong leadership even if the economy is tanking, but Trump cannot afford to take the hit personally and claiming government aid money would be a bit too risky what with all those pesky whistleblowers out there…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 19, 2020 • 4:44:25am

re: #106 Sherlock Hound

DMSO

Always interesting to see the difference in lab use of a chemical and public use.

Scientist using DMSO in lab. Be very careful not to get that shit on your hands, it’ll allow every toxin / toxicant around to enter your body. Wear gloves and use care.

Non-scientis —ooo, let’s use this chemical with no regard because it helps permeability of one thing I think is good…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 19, 2020 • 4:51:42am

Finally listened to Trump because Sarah Cooper performed it. She’s a genius; Trump is a lunatic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 4:54:40am

re: #214 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Finally listened to Trump because Sarah Cooper performed it. She’s a genius; Trump is a lunatic.

He is fucking desperate and not about to give up on clutching this last straw…

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2020 • 5:00:47am

OT I just came back from my local Acme. For the most part the shelves are filling up. Both paper goods and disinfectants are missing but mostly everything seems to be coming back. I found the new Land O Lakes butter package. I will miss the Indian Maiden. I also was surprised to see King Arthur Flour filling up a good portion of the baking shelf.

I will be in later.

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jeffreyw  May 19, 2020 • 5:05:50am

Good morning!

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Mike Lamb  May 19, 2020 • 5:15:14am

re: #173 Dread Pirate

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Wouldn’t anyone in Obama’s admin be able to follow Trump’s lead and just ignore the subpoenas?

Shit, forgot. Obama is black. And a Democrat. My bad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 5:30:26am

re: #218 Mike Lamb

Wouldn’t anyone in Obama’s admin be able to follow Trump’s lead and just ignore the subpoenas?

Shit, forgot. Obama is black. And a Democrat. My bad.

and they will play out that advantage to the fullest extent

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The Pie Overlord!  May 19, 2020 • 5:57:36am

Hoarse, on seeing he has been RT’d by POS45

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 19, 2020 • 5:58:17am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 19, 2020 • 5:59:32am

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plansbandc  May 19, 2020 • 6:00:06am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 19, 2020 • 6:01:59am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 19, 2020 • 6:03:46am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 19, 2020 • 6:05:02am

re: #161 Belafon

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A Mom Anon  May 19, 2020 • 6:18:37am

re: #226 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I haven’t had nightmares for over 3 decades, from PTSD related to domestic violence. I had one last night and cried for two hours after. I’m sick of and angry at all of this. Because apparently what it’s going to take for America to take this seriously is going to require bodies stacked up like fire wood on sidewalks before the stupid hateful assholes go “durr hurrr, I guess this is seriously a real thing”. When I saw those two moms of very young children out yesterday with no distancing or masks I wanted to punch something.

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mmmirele  May 19, 2020 • 6:18:50am

Y’all might have missed this.

The related, closely-held enterprises known as the Green Family, Hobby Lobby and the Museum of the Bible are back in court. In the amusingly named “United States v. One Cuneiform Tablet Known As the ‘Gilgamesh Dream Tablet,’” the US government is suing for the forfeiture of a 6 inch by 5 inch clay tablet. This is not any old tablet, though. It’s a literary tablet with part of the Epic of Gilgamesh on it. The Green Family/Hobby Lobby/Museum of the Bible bought this tablet from looters for a cool $1,674,000.00 several years back. It was seized by the government from the museum in September 2019. Ultimately, it will be repatriated back to Iraq under a number of treaties to which the US is signatory.

nbcnews.com (news article)

justice.gov (DoJ press release)

justice.gov (court case, with picture of object in question on page 17)

Of course, this is another black eye to the closely held outfit that bought thousands of cuneiform tablets (again looted from Iraq, probably benefiting Al Qaeda) and had them brought to the USA as “tiles.” Or the same outfit that bought fake Dead Sea Scrolls. Or the very same outfit that purchased pieces of papyrus from an Oxford don who looted them out of a collection, which was news just last week. Yes, the very same.

I said last week (after the news about Obbink stealing papyrus from the Egypt Expedition collection at Oxford and selling pieces to the MOTB) that the MOTB ought to be dismantled, brick by brick. I’m really feeling that today.

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Patricia Kayden  May 19, 2020 • 6:21:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 6:24:51am

re: #226 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And, well, if you can’t trust states to accurately report pandemic numbers because there’s a financial and political stake in it, then how can we trust people to run fair and accurate elections?

And when you go down that road, how can you live in a shared society?

We have to put our faith and trust in the leaders of industry and commerce because they have the most money and thus the best judgement.

/

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 19, 2020 • 6:28:19am

re: #228 mmmirele

“United States v. One Cuneiform Tablet Known As the ‘Gilgamesh Dream Tablet,’”

I always like the name of these Asset seizure forfeiture lawsuits - like a pile of cash is able to hire a lawyer to defend itself. Of course in this case it’s warranted, but others - not so much:

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Civil Forfeiture (HBO)

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Florida Panhandler  May 19, 2020 • 6:31:17am

re: #145 Dread Pirate

Keeping up with Trump’s lies is literally bringing to life the old classic Simpsons “Steamed Hams” episode where Skinner compounds lie after lie to cover a ridiculously shallow premise of not serving take-out burgers for dinner.

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Florida Panhandler  May 19, 2020 • 6:32:45am

re: #229 Patricia Kayden

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Being dead while ignoring public health guidance is also embarrassing.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 19, 2020 • 6:36:48am
A new OH Predictive Insights poll in Arizona finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump in the presidential race, 50% to 43%

trump won 2016 48 /44

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Ace Rothstein  May 19, 2020 • 6:38:29am

I’m so old, I remember when the biggest scandal of the Obama presidency was when Obama claimed his Nobel Peace Prize award as a charitable deduction on his taxes after he actually donated the award to a charity.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 19, 2020 • 6:39:17am
A new Roanoke College poll in Virginia finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump in the presidential race, 51% to 39%.

2016 Clinton 49/44

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 6:39:42am

re: #234 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

A new OH Predictive Insights poll in Arizona finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump in the presidential race, 50% to 43%

Lots of Sun Belt retirees must be feeling pretty abandoned and let down by the GOP…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 6:41:38am

hi

So the president is pushing drugs on television again. Florida allegedly fired its chief computer person for refusing to manipulate data. No wonder the rest of the world pities us.

Cases are still climbing around here.

For the Nebraska Panhandle (yesterday, 5:30PM MDT):

Confirmed: 86 (71 by close contact, +4, all in Scott’s Bluff County, so the City of Scottsbluff is returning to in-person city council meetings)
Recovered: 54
Highest age group: 10-19, Second-highest 40-49
Deaths: 0
health.wyo.gov

For the state (yesterday, 5PM CDT):
Confirmed: 10,625 (+277, Scott’s Bluff County is a darker shade of orange today)
Deaths: 125 (no change since Sunday)
nebraska.maps.arcgis.com

For Wyoming (yesterday, 1:14PM MDT):
Confirmed: 754 (no change, no tests done or received on Monday)
Deaths: 8 (no change, 5 of whom from the Arapaho Nation in Fremont County)
Largest Age Group: 19-29, Second tided between 30-39 and 40-49
health.wyo.gov

Weld County, Colorado (yesterday 4:00PM MDT)
Confirmed: 2,422 (+22)
Deaths: (no change, last death May 15)
Weld County explicitly excludes any death now unless there is a positive test result (Weld County is run by wingnuts)
weldgov.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 19, 2020 • 6:43:03am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 19, 2020 • 6:43:15am

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mmmirele  May 19, 2020 • 6:47:38am

Apologist/Evangelist Ravi Zacharias died in Atlanta.

ajc.com

Of course he’s trending on Twitter. Unfortunately, he’s being lauded, which is annoying as hell, because he basically lied his way through life.

Steve Baughman is a San Francisco lawyer. He spent quite a bit of time tracking down Zacharias’ various fabulisms, such as that he had an earned doctorate and had taught at Oxford, among other things.

randalrauser.com (link to an interview)

More sleazily, Zacharias had a long-distance relationship with a woman in Canada, forced her into signing an agreement silencing her, and then proceeded to thwack her. I am hoping that with his death, the woman who was silenced can now speak.

raviwatch.com (that goes to Baughman’s site)

Frankly, Christian (read EVANGELICAL) apologetics looks horrible when it has to depend on these fabulists to defend it. No wonder their arguments suck. Whatever happened to faith?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 6:48:46am

re: #82 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have family members completely brainwashed by Fox, OANN, Churches, Hate Radio and Right wing sites. They are convinced that there is no such thing as COVID 19.

You cannot engage in a battle of wits with them.

So I just kiss them off. If they get sick, it’s their fault.

I’m terribly sorry to hear that about your family, Mr. Bacon, though I would recommend staying away from them to stay healthy.

I have no idea what the religious people in my family think about the disease, other than my eldest first cousin (she is staying indoors).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 6:54:06am

re: #82 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have family members completely brainwashed by Fox, OANN, Churches, Hate Radio and Right wing sites. They are convinced that there is no such thing as COVID 19.

You cannot engage in a battle of wits with them.

So I just kiss them off. If they get sick, it’s their fault.

I have pretty much stopped communicating with two old friends of mine over their responses to COVID. They are more drifting off into the esoteric CT end of the spectrum which nonetheless overlaps with the Fox News crowd.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 6:54:48am

To the tune of “The Lion Sleeps Tonight” (2:36)

The Liar Tweets Tonight

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Belafon  May 19, 2020 • 6:55:39am
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Belafon  May 19, 2020 • 7:00:34am

“It may not work, and it might kill people, but we are the Trump administration. What did you expect?”

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plansbandc  May 19, 2020 • 7:02:39am
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Sufficient unto the day...  May 19, 2020 • 7:04:49am

Pizza stone nut replying to the question upstairs…I learned the hard way NOT to put it too close to high heat.

It won’t explode, but you would soon have slice-sized pizza stones, although of irregular shapes. You might be able to use it over coals, but don’t try it over a fire.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 7:06:49am

re: #246 Belafon

HHS secretary says Trump’s ‘Warp Speed’ vaccine ‘may not be safe and effective but we’ll have it

Why do I have the feeling that Trump won’t be as enthusiastic about trying it as he is with Hydroxychloroquine?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 7:06:56am

re: #241 mmmirele

Mr. Zacharias had cancer. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

Fabulist or not, apologetics arguments all stink anyway. It does make apologists look worse when they make crap up though. Zacharias made up his doctorate for the reason a lot of apologists do (or claim their doctorate in an unrelated field means their arguments should carry more weight): It’s for an appeal to authority.

It doesn’t work on atheists, who generally don’t care about the authority of the person but the strength of the argument.

Apologetics primarily exists to keep the faithful from doubting, not to convert people.

I find the worst to be the “these are the ten things you need to say to atheists to prove them wrong” or other such sermons (atheism is not a claim so it fails right there) or other such lists: We’ve already heard all of them. They only exist to convince the in-group they are “right.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 7:10:37am

re: #246 Belafon

“It may not work, and it might kill people, but we are the Trump administration. What did you expect?”

Libertarian dream: No regulations on efficacy or safety.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 19, 2020 • 7:11:50am

re: #246 Belafon

And with the Turtle demanding immunity from lawsuits for medical providers, especially if the vaccine is made compulsory, can you say “The New Holocaust”?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 7:14:06am

re: #238 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Oops, can’t fix that now, time expired. The Panhandle Public Health District data is found at pphd.org , not the State of Wyoming site.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 7:17:11am

My wife is breaking out the pressure cooker to make a slew of beans later.

She asked me what I’d like to do for my sixtieth birthday (May 31). Go out for a drive and take photographs? Go out for a burger at the outdoor-only restaurant in the county seat? I’m at a loss.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 19, 2020 • 7:19:15am

re: #248 Sufficient unto the day…

Pizza stone nut replying to the question upstairs…I learned the hard way NOT to put it too close to high heat.

It won’t explode, but you would soon have slice-sized pizza stones, although of irregular shapes. You might be able to use it over coals, but don’t try it over a fire.

Thank you for that info. I took the advice of Joe Bacon and ordered this one.

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Belafon  May 19, 2020 • 7:20:16am

re: #252 Eric The Fruit Bat

And with the Turtle demanding immunity from lawsuits for medical providers, especially if the vaccine is made compulsory, can you say “The New Holocaust”?

That ‘vaccine’ won’t be made compulsory. People will be required to get a vaccine, but it isn’t going to be a random one that only exists because Trump decides it does.

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jaunte  May 19, 2020 • 7:28:39am

There’s no cheat too petty for the Trump gang.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 7:29:04am

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My wife is breaking out the pressure cooker to make a slew of beans later.

She asked me what I’d like to do for my sixtieth birthday (May 31). Go out for a drive and take photographs? Go out for a burger at the outdoor-only restaurant in the county seat? I’m at a loss.

I fetched a pizza from the carry-out restaurant for my 61st birthday in March and took it down to the river to enjoy it…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 7:30:10am

re: #256 Belafon

That ‘vaccine’ won’t be made compulsory. People will be required to get a vaccine, but it isn’t going to be a random one that only exists because Trump decides it does.

so on the one hand you will have people who will insist that it be tested properly and on the other hand people who will refuse it outright regardless of how it is tested

this again is a weapons-grade clusterfuck in the making

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 19, 2020 • 7:30:29am

re: #217 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 7:31:04am

re: #257 jaunte

Trump is ending National Guard deployments to fight COVID one day before they would qualify for a range of expanded benefits. This man does not respect our military. They are pawns to him.

These National Guardsmen/women also vote, and are going to remember what their C-in-C ordered them to do…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 19, 2020 • 7:36:43am

re: #251 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Libertarian dream: No regulations on efficacy or safety.

Hello 1870s and the return of patent medicines.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 19, 2020 • 7:39:18am

re: #262 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Hello 1870s and the return of patent medicines.

You lost that snake oil feeling.

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John Hughes  May 19, 2020 • 7:43:37am

re: #194 Dread Pirate

We’re often told that the tragedy of the Palestinians is the Arafat was no Nelson Mandela.

Rarely said is that the tragedy of Israel is that their FW de Klerk was murdered.

(Yes, Rabin was a much, much, better person than de Klerk, and Mandela was better than Arafat, but without people in both roles peace appears to be unobtainable).

(Inspired by seeing the Jardin Yitzhak-Rabin closed because of Covid-19).

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Patricia Kayden  May 19, 2020 • 7:46:51am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 19, 2020 • 7:58:01am

re: #265 Patricia Kayden

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 19, 2020 • 7:58:39am

As if we weren’t already aware that certain wealthy people suck…

(Via NYT) Hundreds of thousands of New York City residents, in particular those from the city’s wealthiest neighborhoods, left as the coronavirus pandemic hit, an analysis of multiple sources of aggregated smartphone location data has found.

Roughly 5 percent of residents — or about 420,000 people — left the city between March 1 and May 1. In the city’s very wealthiest blocks, in neighborhoods like the Upper East Side, the West Village, SoHo and Brooklyn Heights, residential population decreased by 40 percent or more, while the rest of the city saw comparably modest changes.

Some of these areas are typically home to lots of students, many of whom left as colleges and universities closed; other residents might have left to care for friends or family members across the country. But, on average, income is a strong simple predictor of a neighborhood’s change: The higher-earning a neighborhood is, the more likely it is to have emptied out.

Relatively few residents from blocks with median household incomes of about $90,000 or less (in the 80th percentile or lower) left New York. This migration out of the city began in mid-March, and accelerated in the days after March 15, when Mayor Bill de Blasio announced that he was closing the city’s schools.

“There is a way that these crises fall with a different weight on people based on social class,” said Kim Phillips-Fein, a history professor at New York University and author of a book about how New York changed during the fiscal crisis of the 1970s. “Even though there’s a strong rhetoric of ‘We’re all in it together,’ that’s not really the case.”

And not only did they skip town, they took the fucking virus with them.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 8:01:31am

My neighbour to the immediate north next door had a huge party with his co-workers last night in his backyard (in violation of state group orders). It went on very late into the night.

The house doesn’t actually belong to him; it belongs to a rancher who gives it as an in-kind payment to the foreman of his ranch hands. The fellow has been living there for about a year (and boy does he dislike my wife and me because liberal and atheist).

I sincerely hope no one comes down ill over there (especially my neighbour).

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John Hughes  May 19, 2020 • 8:01:42am

re: #216 PhillyPretzel

OT I just came back from my local Acme. For the most part the shelves are filling up. Both paper goods and disinfectants are missing but mostly everything seems to be coming back

You know, in France we never had that whole missing TP thing (although, child of 1970-80s’s Britain that I am we bought extra just before lockdown, as well as two 25 Kg sacks of rice(*). Maggie would be proud of me).

So far what we’ve been missing in LIDL from time to time: fresh peppers, washing up liquid, sliced bread (still got baguettes and Italian loaves), baking flour.

Could get most of those things at slightly higher prices at the Portuguese primeur which is a little bit further away.

(* Our African side coming out. Two bags because my brother in law bought a bag of parboiled rice and everyone mocked him for not buying the Thai perfumed rice that my wife preferred. But we’ll eat the parboiled rice in case of emergency).

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Decatur Deb  May 19, 2020 • 8:02:31am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so on the one hand you will have people who will insist that it be tested properly and on the other hand people who will refuse it outright regardless of how it is tested

this again is a weapons-grade clusterfuck in the making

The goal here, and generally throughout the trump universe, is to destroy trust. Withjout trust, you can’t go to the bakery, and you can’t govern a country.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 19, 2020 • 8:04:21am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

The goal here, and generally throughout the trump universe, is to destroy trust. Withjout trust, you can’t go to the bakery, and you can’t govern a country.

with no trust there’s no open the economy /back to normal

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 8:05:12am

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

Same thing happened in Fremont County, Wyoming. Rich people in Denver flocked to ski country and have now overwhelmed the hospital there, and the majority of the deaths fall on the Arapaho Nation.

Moderately wealthy people from Denver and Weld County, Colorado also packed up camping gear and invaded the Nebraska Panhandle, which is why we have so many cases.

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Teukka  May 19, 2020 • 8:05:52am

Stolen from my FB feed:

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The Pie Overlord!  May 19, 2020 • 8:08:25am
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Decatur Deb  May 19, 2020 • 8:08:36am

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

As if we weren’t already aware that certain wealthy people suck…

(Via NYT) Hundreds of thousands of New York City residents, in particular those from the city’s wealthiest neighborhoods, left as the coronavirus pandemic hit, an analysis of multiple sources of aggregated smartphone location data has found.

Not a new thing. The spectacular villas on the mainland a few miles from Venice are essentially refuges from their 16th Cent. plagues.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 8:11:51am

re: #257 jaunte

There’s no cheat too petty for the Trump gang.

Fuque you too, Amani.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 19, 2020 • 8:13:27am

re: #257 jaunte

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There’s no cheat too petty for the Trump gang.

Definitely the gang but not Trump. Trump would not have been aware but Pompeo and Esper certainly would — though he probably has standing orders to do everything on the cheap unless it personally benefits him or his family or his donors.

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Teukka  May 19, 2020 • 8:15:26am

So, someone at an old folks home decided to change all contents in the bottles of disinfectant to water…
sverigesradio.se

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Decatur Deb  May 19, 2020 • 8:16:16am

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

Definitely the gang but not Trump. Trump would not have been aware but Pompeo and Esper certainly would — though he probably has standing orders to do everything on the cheap unless it personally benefits him or his family or his donors.

This also is an old tradition. Fucking the NG on federalization benefits was a fairly common cost-containment ploy in the day.

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KGxvi  May 19, 2020 • 8:17:38am
Trump Says He’s Taking Hydroxychloroquine but Nobody Can Tell if He’s Lying

Well, if his lips are moving, he’s probably lying.

Alternate theory: he thinks he is taking it but has been given a placebo because no doctor worth their cotdam medical degree would give him that drug given his pre-existing conditions and the potential side effects on top of the fact that he’s the POTUS.

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KGxvi  May 19, 2020 • 8:19:31am

re: #275 Decatur Deb

A friendly reminder that even American “old money” is still “new money” by European standards.

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John Hughes  May 19, 2020 • 8:21:22am

re: #246 Belafon

“It may not work, and it might kill people, but we are the Trump administration. What did you expect?”

This is the wrong criticism of the “warp speed” bullshit. The real criticism is that Gates announced the plan last month, without the stupid name.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 8:24:01am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 19, 2020 • 8:25:03am

re: #278 Teukka

I like Google Translates that phrase: “Hand liquor was exchanged for water in elderly homes.”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 19, 2020 • 8:25:11am

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

As if we weren’t already aware that certain wealthy people suck…

(Via NYT) Hundreds of thousands of New York City residents, in particular those from the city’s wealthiest neighborhoods, left as the coronavirus pandemic hit, an analysis of multiple sources of aggregated smartphone location data has found.

Roughly 5 percent of residents — or about 420,000 people — left the city between March 1 and May 1. In the city’s very wealthiest blocks, in neighborhoods like the Upper East Side, the West Village, SoHo and Brooklyn Heights, residential population decreased by 40 percent or more, while the rest of the city saw comparably modest changes.

Some of these areas are typically home to lots of students, many of whom left as colleges and universities closed; other residents might have left to care for friends or family members across the country. But, on average, income is a strong simple predictor of a neighborhood’s change: The higher-earning a neighborhood is, the more likely it is to have emptied out.

Relatively few residents from blocks with median household incomes of about $90,000 or less (in the 80th percentile or lower) left New York. This migration out of the city began in mid-March, and accelerated in the days after March 15, when Mayor Bill de Blasio announced that he was closing the city’s schools.

“There is a way that these crises fall with a different weight on people based on social class,” said Kim Phillips-Fein, a history professor at New York University and author of a book about how New York changed during the fiscal crisis of the 1970s. “Even though there’s a strong rhetoric of ‘We’re all in it together,’ that’s not really the case.”

And not only did they skip town, they took the fucking virus with them.

Before the lockdown was implemented, my nephew relocated his family from their Manhattan apartment to their Connecticut weekend home so the children could spend more time outside and have less exposure to the disease. Both he and his wife are professionals who can work from home. Having more resources always gives you more options.

The most infuriating calls for ending the “shelter-in-place” are those that come from people who are not placing their lives at risk because they can safely continue their career from the comfort of their study.

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Belafon  May 19, 2020 • 8:25:44am

re: #282 John Hughes

This is the wrong criticism of the “warp speed” bullshit. The real criticism is that Gates announced the plan last month, without the stupid name.

Except Gates said that it could be next fall, 2021, that we could potentially see a vaccine. And he admitted he was being optimistic.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 8:26:08am

Annie Glenn was one hundred years old.

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Teukka  May 19, 2020 • 8:26:44am

re: #284 Eric The Fruit Bat

I like Google Translates that phrase: “Hand liquor was exchanged for water in elderly homes.”

Google translate does fail spectacularly sometimes.
The Star Wars line where Palpatine goes “Wipe them out. All of them”. becomes “Torka ut dem. Allihopa.” (“Dry them out. All of them”).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2020 • 8:27:14am

re: #188 DodgerFan1988

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Why is the GOP acting exactly like the Chinese Communist Party in covering up and downplaying Coronavirus case numbers?

Because the Republican Party IS the Communist Party!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2020 • 8:33:30am

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Mayo Clinic side effect list on hydroxy includes:

mayoclinic.org

How many people in the world are on mind-altering meds and can launch a nuclear war?
Ans—more than 0, less than 10.

Other than that, who’s having chocolate cake for breakfast?

Don’t forget the Two Scoops!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 8:34:24am

re: #276 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Irredeemable fuquewitte in re: #276 thinks they should spit on us, Sen. Duckworth.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 19, 2020 • 8:34:31am

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I even believe that most of the GOP understands that, but this is coming down to a Trump thing…he is worried sick about covering the debt that his hotels are under and there is only so long he can cover it up through shell companies, straw men and third-parties

At some point, they are going to call those loans in and it will look really bad for the “successful businessman” he claims to be

Kicker is that at this point his base won’t care. They are too far invested in Cloud Cuckoo Land for any not-that-obvious piece of reality news to budge them from their faith and worship of the Orange God of Chaos.*

* - And the ones following along for conservatism’s sake though they actually hate or disdain Trump wouldn’t care either since the goal is conservative power and judiciary positions.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 19, 2020 • 8:36:01am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 8:36:18am

re: #291 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

fixed 291

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lawhawk  May 19, 2020 • 8:37:29am

re: #285 Hecuba’s daughter

Before the lockdown was implemented, my nephew relocated his family from their Manhattan apartment to their Connecticut weekend home so the children could spend more time outside and have less exposure to the disease. Both he and his wife are professionals who can work from home. Having more resources always gives you more options.

The most infuriating calls for ending the “shelter-in-place” are those that come from people who are not placing their lives at risk because they can safely continue their career from the comfort of their study.

Fox News propagandists for starters.

They’re quick to demand everything reopen, all while they’re spewing pablum puking pustules of bulkshit to the know nothing viewers who take comfort in hearing from the uninformed and uninterested Trump telling them what they want to hear (just as Trump listens to only those telling him what he wants to hear and gets petulant when he is told something else - as with Cavuto laying into Trump for allegedly taking HCQ despite clear issues with the drug).

Hannity (accessory to Trump felony conduct), white nationalist Ingraham, Tipple Judge and all the rest aren’t broadcasting from NYC Fox offices, but the comfort of their homes in the NYC metro area. If they didn’t think this was serious, they could be broadcasting from Fox Studios. They could social distance within the studios. We’ve got local news networks that do just that.

That none of them are there shows just how much they value their lives, and don’t value ours.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 8:39:33am

(0:46)

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retired cynic  May 19, 2020 • 8:39:40am

Legionnaires’ Disease Could Breed En Masse During Pandemic, by Mike Smith, NPR IL. Oh, Yay.

A health advocacy group said a type of water-borne disease may be spreading at Illinois’ unoccupied workplaces.

Legionnaires’ Disease, which took 43 lives in Illinois last year, could make a comeback amidst the COVID-19 pandemic.

Alliance to Prevent Legionnaires’ Disease spokesperson Bob Bowcock explained neglected water systems in shuttered workplaces provide a perfect breeding ground for the Legionella bacteria, which carries the disease.

“If the building water system is not flushed out properly and properly disinfected and recommissioned, we could see a post-COVID-19 Legionella outbreak problem of major significance.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 19, 2020 • 8:41:33am

re: #293 The Pie Overlord!

And a capital gain tax cut is truly a cornicopia of fruit for the poor and middle clas.

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retired cynic  May 19, 2020 • 8:43:31am

re: #213 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Always interesting to see the difference in lab use of a chemical and public use.

Scientist using DMSO in lab. Be very careful not to get that shit on your hands, it’ll allow every toxin / toxicant around to enter your body. Wear gloves and use care.

Non-scientis —ooo, let’s use this chemical with no regard because it helps permeability of one thing I think is good…

We used gloves when putting it on a horse (or us), and the surface it was going onto had to be very clean. Or yes, any contaminant within reach was goin’ in.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 8:44:05am

re: #297 retired cynic

Legionnaires’ Disease Could Breed En Masse During Pandemic, by Mike Smith, NPR IL. Oh, Yay.

State water standards here require businesses to either have a water operator on site or if small enough, one on hire.

Water standards are clear that systems should be flushed if unused for 30 days or more, from every spicket. In places like mine, if the r/o unit isn’t used in thirty days, it should be flushed.

Legionella will not be just a problem of businesses though. Any homeowner who shut down their house for thirty days or more is also at risk. Moreover, it’s more likely in towns without water treatment or private wells than towns which use chlorine in their water supply.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 19, 2020 • 8:44:54am

Now we know why Trumporrhoids are pushing the “Biden Dementia” bullshit.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 19, 2020 • 8:45:35am

Two days on this thread with supposed Bernie supporters, one claiming she’s an ex-congressional aide, full discussion of magical vs real legislation and “Dems aren’t fighting hard enough for us” with no response to my asking 20 times “how will this past the GOP senate” which finally gave me this (the REAL fight is the 2020 election)…

Sure. Jan.

I’m a corporate shill. Warren is a republican sell out. Biden, obviously, not good enough.

I honestly think these are Republican ratfuckers, because, REALLY?

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lawhawk  May 19, 2020 • 8:46:34am

re: #301 The Pie Overlord!

Projection like IMAX.

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makeitstop  May 19, 2020 • 8:46:42am

#PresidentPlump is trending bigly on Twitter.

My morning has been made.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 19, 2020 • 8:52:11am

re: #299 retired cynic

We used gloves when putting it on a horse (or us), and the surface it was going onto had to be very clean. Or yes, any contaminant within reach was goin’ in.

You worked with it carefully, that is good. The loon balls that don’t are more the ones that consume supplements and think it is a panacea.

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wrenchwench  May 19, 2020 • 8:54:51am

re: #296 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

(0:46)

[“better to be dead than a fucking dork.”]

Why not both? Could happen.

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jaunte  May 19, 2020 • 8:56:33am

re: #296 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Once again missing the point of the mask. It’s to protect other people, not you, Brendan.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 19, 2020 • 8:59:21am

re: #302 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Two days on this thread with supposed Bernie supporters, one claiming she’s an ex-congressional aide, full discussion of magical vs real legislation and “Dems aren’t fighting hard enough for us” with no response to my asking 20 times “how will this past the GOP senate” which finally gave me this (the REAL fight is the 2020 election)…

Sure. Jan.

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I’m a corporate shill. Warren is a republican sell out. Biden, obviously, not good enough.

I honestly think these are Republican ratfuckers, because, REALLY?

Perfection is one of the greatest enemies of the adequate. Idealists like this will never be satisfied.*

And evolution is satisfied with good enough - or essentially whatever is sufficient to grant a population an advantage in the current conditions.

* - Well, they might be satisfied with an authoritarian regime where they were in charge. And then they’d bicker about details and schism and things would fall apart even worse.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 19, 2020 • 9:02:14am

re: #305 Colère Tueur de Lapin

You worked with it carefully, that is good. The loon balls that don’t are more the ones that consume supplements and think it is a panacea.

I think if the use of DMSO wasn’t so obvious in the surroundings it’d have a much greater history as a method of administering stuff like poison in espionage circles.

(Odd thought of coating someone with DMSO and then dipping them into a mild pepper solution.)

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wrenchwench  May 19, 2020 • 9:02:17am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 19, 2020 • 9:04:05am

re: #308 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Perfection is one of the greatest enemies of the adequate. Idealists like this will never be satisfied.*

And evolution is satisfied with good enough - or essentially whatever is sufficient to grant a population an advantage in the current conditions.

* - Well, they might be satisfied with an authoritarian regime where they were in charge. And then they’d bicker about details and schism and things would fall apart even worse.

The evolution in this very thread, their “arguments” was clear if one took the time to read the whole thing (few do… They read one yet at Time). The goalposts constantly shifted.

I’m glad Twitter isn’t reality because fuck it would be a major bummer.

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wrenchwench  May 19, 2020 • 9:05:22am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 9:07:54am

re: #307 jaunte

Once again missing the point of the mask. It’s to protect other people, not you, Brendan.

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Jay C  May 19, 2020 • 9:09:26am

re: #302 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Two days on this thread with supposed Bernie supporters, one claiming she’s an ex-congressional aide, full discussion of magical vs real legislation and “Dems aren’t fighting hard enough for us” with no response to my asking 20 times “how will this past the GOP senate” which finally gave me this (the REAL fight is the 2020 election)…

Sure. Jan.

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I’m a corporate shill. Warren is a republican sell out. Biden, obviously, not good enough.

I honestly think these are Republican ratfuckers, because, REALLY?

Sadly, a whole lot of these loony-lefties aren’t GOP-bots: this sort of shrill, burn-it-all-down “revolutionary” rhetoric (passed on, AFAICT, virtually unchanged since the 1960’s - who says lefties aren’t mindful of tradition??) is a staple of the online Left. Of course, it’s “magical thinking” as unrealistic as any Q-qwazy - and also, just as inherently contemptuous of political realities - but unfortunately, in the Age of the Internet, their influence, such as it is, can’t help but get magnified in the national discourse. One can only hope this doesn’t translate into any significant vote-shunning in the fall election.

These sort of folks are a shining example of “making the perfect the enemy of the good”: in pursuit of the perfect, being sure to slag the good, and insult it on every tweet they make several times a day.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 9:10:20am

re: #313 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I hold doors and manage not to “assert dominance.” I stand behind the door I’m holding, because I’m not a conservative asshat.

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Eventual Carrion  May 19, 2020 • 9:10:37am

re: #313 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Just another disturbed disease vector (DDV).

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 19, 2020 • 9:11:17am

Deep sigh. From one of the key enablers.

Maybe Joe Wilson could chime in on honesty. Or bill kristol on how American exceptionalism and war to that end is bad.

This reality is killing me.

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jaunte  May 19, 2020 • 9:12:11am
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gocart mozart  May 19, 2020 • 9:12:16am

re: #228 mmmirele

The related, closely-held enterprises known as the Green Family, Hobby Lobby and the Museum of the Bible are back in court. In the amusingly named “United States v. One Cuneiform Tablet Known As the ‘Gilgamesh Dream Tablet,’” the US government is suing for the forfeiture of a 6 inch by 5 inch clay tablet.

It’s called that because the tablet is technically the defendant. It’s an In Rem case or an asset forfeiture case. Hobby Lobby has to prove the tablet is innocent of being contraband just like in typical cases you have to prove your assets weren’t involved in the drug trade.

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calochortus  May 19, 2020 • 9:12:57am

re: #313 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Ah, someone in the prime of life who is so very self confident that he needs to assert dominance over the elderly and small children. How very, very manly.

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danarchy  May 19, 2020 • 9:13:47am

re: #296 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Funny he should invoke the Rock, because he is actually taking it seriously.

Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson Live On Instagram with Gavin Newsom — (April 10, 2020)

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wrenchwench  May 19, 2020 • 9:13:54am

For the first time in my life, every day on my way to work I get to experience people crossing the street when they see me coming. Happens whether each person is masked or some aren’t.

Sad.

Or not.

Or And not.

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Belafon  May 19, 2020 • 9:14:38am

re: #317 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Deep sigh. From one of the key enablers.

Maybe Joe Wilson could chime in on honesty. Or bill kristol on how American exceptionalism and war to that end is bad.

This reality is killing me.

Also, one of the few that has apologized.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 9:14:54am

re: #316 Eventual Carrion

Just another disturbed disease vector (DDV).

Who doesn’t know if my tuberculosis would have been reactivated by Covid-19.

Die of consumption to own the libs.

Guess what they do to people with active TB, Mr. Dilley? They put them in quarantine. For a long-ass time. Maybe for the rest of their life. Painful way to die.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 19, 2020 • 9:15:22am

re: #318 jaunte

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Waaah my name’s Roosh and I throw a shit fit about having to wear a mask. Cry me a fucking river snowflake.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 19, 2020 • 9:15:46am

“comorbidities that are connected to our food supply” = morbid obesity
I. Am. Ded.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 19, 2020 • 9:19:55am

I wanted to reply tweet with this, but he’s not worth it.

Is wearing a mask more or less embarrassing than living with your mother?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2020 • 9:23:29am

re: #241 mmmirele

Apologist/Evangelist Ravi Zacharias died in Atlanta.

ajc.com

Of course he’s trending on Twitter. Unfortunately, he’s being lauded, which is annoying as hell, because he basically lied his way through life.

Steve Baughman is a San Francisco lawyer. He spent quite a bit of time tracking down Zacharias’ various fabulisms, such as that he had an earned doctorate and had taught at Oxford, among other things.

randalrauser.com (link to an interview)

More sleazily, Zacharias had a long-distance relationship with a woman in Canada, forced her into signing an agreement silencing her, and then proceeded to thwack her. I am hoping that with his death, the woman who was silenced can now speak.

raviwatch.com (that goes to Baughman’s site)

Frankly, Christian (read EVANGELICAL) apologetics looks horrible when it has to depend on these fabulists to defend it. No wonder their arguments suck. Whatever happened to faith?

Faith died when the Republicans hijacked the churches back in the 70s.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 9:24:06am

re: #318 jaunte

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Jay C  May 19, 2020 • 9:25:49am

re: #228 mmmirele

Y’all might have missed this.

The related, closely-held enterprises known as the Green Family, Hobby Lobby and the Museum of the Bible are back in court. In the amusingly named “United States v. One Cuneiform Tablet Known As the ‘Gilgamesh Dream Tablet,’” the US government is suing for the forfeiture of a 6 inch by 5 inch clay tablet. This is not any old tablet, though. It’s a literary tablet with part of the Epic of Gilgamesh on it. The Green Family/Hobby Lobby/Museum of the Bible bought this tablet from looters for a cool $1,674,000.00 several years back. It was seized by the government from the museum in September 2019. Ultimately, it will be repatriated back to Iraq under a number of treaties to which the US is signatory.

I did miss it: late to my morning perusal of LGF. I really like it that that DoJ form says “Exhibit A - Image of the Defendant”. Can we call him “Gil” for short….??

So did nobody at the Museum Of The Bible ever check their “charter”, i.e. the “Thou shalt not steal” bit??

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Belafon  May 19, 2020 • 9:26:48am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I do like the age where being macho isn’t considered a great thing. Part of our problem is that there are too many people who still think it is.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 19, 2020 • 9:27:16am
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Belafon  May 19, 2020 • 9:28:20am

re: #330 Jay C

I did miss it: late to my morning perusal of LGF. I really like it that that DoJ form says “Exhibit A - Image of the Defendant”. Can we call him “Gil” for short….??

So did nobody at the Museum Of The Bible ever check their “charter”, i.e. the “Thou shalt not steal” bit??

I also like that they’re willing to own a tablet that predates the “creation” of the world by a few hundred years.

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wrenchwench  May 19, 2020 • 9:30:12am
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sagehen  May 19, 2020 • 9:30:58am

Nicole Wallace (4pm) has Nancy Pelosi today.

I’m excited. My 2nd favorite daytime broadcaster (Stephanie Ruhl still has 1st place) interviewing my favorite elected official.

The future is female.

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Charles Johnson  May 19, 2020 • 9:31:45am
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sagehen  May 19, 2020 • 9:34:47am

re: #333 Belafon

I also like that they’re willing to own a tablet that predates the “creation” of the world by a few hundred years.

Last Thursdayism (alternately Last Tuesdayism or Last Wednesdayism) is the idea that the universe was created last Thursday, but with the physical appearance of being billions of years old. It’s also a counter to the creationism theory. Under Last Thursdayism, books, fossils, light already on the way from distant stars, and literally everything (including your memories of the time before last Thursday) were all formed at the time of creation (last Thursday) in a state such that they appear much older.

The debate on whether Last Thursdayism is true has raged on ever since the creation of the universe last Thursday.

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Jay C  May 19, 2020 • 9:35:51am

re: #333 Belafon

I also like that they’re willing to own a tablet that predates the “creation” of the world by a few hundred years.

Oh, I’m sure that won’t be a problem: after all, accurate dating of ancient artifacts can often be subjective and imprecise: as can be amply demonstrated from their invoices and provenance documents…..

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 9:36:01am

re: #331 Belafon

I do like the age where being macho isn’t considered a great thing. Part of our problem is that there are too many people who still think it is.

I was never macho. I like to think that’s part of my irresistible appeal. /s

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 9:37:26am

re: #337 sagehen

Last Thursdayism (alternately Last Tuesdayism or Last Wednesdayism) is the idea that the universe was created last Thursday, but with the physical appearance of being billions of years old. It’s also a counter to the creationism theory. Under Last Thursdayism, books, fossils, light already on the way from distant stars, and literally everything (including your memories of the time before last Thursday) were all formed at the time of creation (last Thursday) in a state such that they appear much older.

The debate on whether Last Thursdayism is true has raged on ever since the creation of the universe last Thursday.

Of course, everybody knows that Saturday never happened, it was just created my midweekial scholars who falsified the records…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2020 • 9:39:02am

re: #331 Belafon

I do like the age where being macho isn’t considered a great thing. Part of our problem is that there are too many people who still think it is.

needless to say, the standards of masculinity are subjective, arbitrary and change with the fashions…I always like to point out that nobody considered George Washington a wimp although he wore a wig, knee stockings and high heels…

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wrenchwench  May 19, 2020 • 9:39:58am

COVID 19 Corvids 2020

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 19, 2020 • 9:44:24am

re: #336 Charles Johnson

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lawhawk  May 19, 2020 • 9:54:26am

re: #342 wrenchwench

3-eyed raven: useless when you absolutely, positively need to know what’s going to happen and prepare for it.

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Belafon  May 19, 2020 • 9:56:56am

re: #341 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

needless to say, the standards of masculinity are subjective, arbitrary and change with the fashions…I always like to point out that nobody considered George Washington a wimp although he wore a wig, knee stockings and high heels…

Yes, but he owned slaves.

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makeitstop  May 19, 2020 • 9:58:06am

This may be the worst political ad I’ve ever seen.

Got a real ‘call now and we’ll DOUBLE your order’ vibe to it.

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Mike Lamb  May 19, 2020 • 10:07:00am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

[Embedded content]

The unfortunate reality is that part of the reason MRA’s wouldn’t wear a mask is precisely because it engenders respect from women.

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Jay C  May 19, 2020 • 10:08:13am

re: #228 mmmirele

BTW, thanks for linking those DoJ documents: even as dry as legal filings are, that complaint reads mostly like the screenplay treatment for an episode of some TV spy-thriller. I especially liked this bit:

18.
In or about March 2005, the Cuneiform Expert shipped the partial
tablet (hereinafter, the “Gilgamesh Dream Tablet”) across state lines to Princeton, New
Jersey where it was studied by a professor (the “Professor”). The Professor received the
tablet and studied it in Princeton, New Jersey for several weeks.

I wonder if the expert they contacted was “Professor Henry Walton Jones III”?

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 19, 2020 • 10:10:02am

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

As if we weren’t already aware that certain wealthy people suck

Sorry, we all suck that way. What prevented poorer people from leaving was not higher morals, but lower stocks of cash.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 19, 2020 • 10:28:21am

re: #336 Charles Johnson

Glad to hear it. The White House is a focal point for covid-19, and he and Michelle are among the last people I want to see exposed to it.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  May 19, 2020 • 10:48:16am

re: #304 makeitstop

#PresidentPlump is trending bigly on Twitter.

My morning has been made.

#PresidentPlump and the #TrumpSlump


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